ark-2

[green surge]

Jk we love wild card

[still elbow]

sometimes

[green surge]

In wildcard we trust

[spring saddle]

My dreams is dead

[wind finch]

Never stop dreaming 😄

[blissful perch]

I share that valid fear that component based crafting is a illusion of choice rather than a true variance of choice. If a tiny portion of combinations works/is viable in PvP, is that really millions of combinations? Or is it a massive trap for new players?

[lavish rain]

Precisely

[tropic crag]

I'd say that's not super rational, if only because in any game like this, as soon as you get better things/reliable access to those things, then you won't go and use the old stuff any more.

You don't use a stone pick once you get a metal one, right? Just like how you don't use tier 1 weapons in Grounded once you unlock higher tiers, or use the plane axe any more once you find the hatchet in The Forest, and so on and so forth (barring some freak accident requiring you to start over, such as wipes or PvP.)

If you use the myriad of (but ultimately maybe not the best) materials for crafting your gear, you may not be at your best, gear-wise. And if there's (for example) something like basic stone (+1 stat), carved stone (+2 stat), and empowered stone (+3 stat), once you can get the empowered stone, the basic and carved stone are then useless.

But again, you have to get there first. You don't spawn with a metal pick or mining laser, you have to work hard to get to those tiers of advancement.

TL;DR, that practically isn't an issue in the survival genre because of how progression works (in most examples) and it's kind of just a given that people will use the strongest things they have available to them.

[lavish rain]

Then the point of a component system compared to a linear system is null

No real use for millions of combinations

No real use for multiple lower tier combinations either

[lavish rain]

Then why add a component system

Riddle me that batman

[tropic crag]

That's literally like asking "UHM well then why add progression???"

Varied progression is cooler or something, idfk

[desert swallow]

everyone starts with tek suit confirmed

The component system could lead to situational items to be found by players. Plus it can just be fun for some people. A lot of people will probably google the best combinations.

[lavish rain]

No point in 8 different lower tier component when people will only go for the good ones

[desert swallow]

Depends on how resources are scattered around map I guess. What if equipment breaks much faster in this game and you may not have a choice but to use what is around you. We just don't know yet. But a lot of people are pumped for it.

[tropic crag]

Who says there'll even be that many? Let alone that have the same function

That's hardly realistic to expect lol

[desert swallow]

and it doesn't take that many different things to reach a million combinations

[tropic crag]

This a potential factor too, good point

[past wind]

And how massive the map will be. And how hard it will be to move around. Etc

[ruby isle]

all i want in ark 2 is random resources spawn

or natural event spawn iron nodes or something like this

it boring if one map with same resources location

[lavish rain]

I think i got my point across

[ruby isle]

yeah i mean each server have different resources location would be cool

[tropic crag]

And also near impossible with a handcrafted map that I hope they stick with for a multitude of reasons

[lavish rain]

Go on

[past wind]

It’s basically how real world works and it’s the right way to implement on a game though

[split dove]

the only kind of random resource spawn they added to ark to test the reaction was the gen 2 space rotations, but after a while the knowledge about rotations basicly makes it a consistent spawn

[ripe cedar]

Doing something because its that way in the real world shouldn’t be the limiting factor for a fantasy sci fi video game

But i agree that implementation of random resources spawns could be messy

[split dove]

even in one specific area could be messy, but imagine if the whole map was to be like that

[past wind]

I said it’s how it works in the world and also the way it should be implemented on a game like ark. Wouldn’t make sense to have random spawns for everything on Ark 2. Even basic resources

[past wind]

We should remember Ark 2 is going primitive. It won’t be as easy to farm as on Ark 1

Imagine having to search random stone spawns to build your first base with your low level tames 🤣

[split dove]

''i could've sworn there were giant stones here 1 hour ago''

[ripe cedar]

I doubt anyone would think literally random across the entire map for every resources

Just more random then no random

[past wind]

One thing I would be ok is rare resources that improve things falling from the skies on asteroids

But basic resources, I’m not sure it would be good

[ripe cedar]

Tbh basic resources are so common in ark 1 it would probably not matter much

Even if it was completely random

Ark 2 we will see how it works though

[past wind]

That’s my point, turning those into random spawns… it would be bad IMO

[past wind]

Sure, lots of questions to be answered 🤣

The size of the map would change all my opinions, for example

[desert swallow]

if they do it right gas bag balloons may actually be useful.

[past wind]

I ain’t play no Fortnite

[desert swallow]

Can't raid my base when I'm cranking 90s

[quiet shore]

What are you thinking for The Game Awards? Show or no show?

[desert swallow]

The awards is a show

[past wind]

You shouldn’t expect any news about Ark 2 on the TGA. They didn’t give any hints they would be attending the show.

[lavish rain]

No show

[quiet shore]

I'm weary about it after the Pc Gaming Show

[nocturne raptor]

Update:2024 ark2 gameplay!

[desert swallow]

Ark gameplay trailer reveal during CNN's new years eve special confirmed.

[fallow niche]

Y'all are gonna confuse so many people

[split dove]

is it really their fault if those people believe it? 🤔

[desert swallow]

They'll believe it when youtube videos get made about "Rumor has it that Ark gameplay will be revealed at CNN's new years eve special"

[potent hull]

👎🏻

[split dove]

''this video was brought to you by Loadedcrysis and raid shadow legends''

[lavish rain]

Loadedcrysis

🍄

[stray elm]

LoadedCrysis?
More like LoadedShit

[desert swallow]

Be nice to the guy, he tries. Clickbaity at times sure.

[split dove]

my toilet can also be loaded with shit, at least it does a good job

[stray elm]

I've watched his videos, and if you consider 'THAT' trying. Then I wonder what standards are anymore.

[desert swallow]

I mean for him.

[stray elm]

Ooooooh, right.

I find it funny that a newer news channel like Raasclark, or NeddytheNoodle are 10% better then the 7-year old news channel.

[lapis ore]

It would be cool to have customizable saddles/saddle mods. that would be badass like extra seats, storage, armor. maybe for mods Armor suit with 2 maxim machineguns on it so you could make a Rex look like a mark V or WW1 tank.

[lavish rain]

Arkmrbossftw

[past wind]

I know the trailer is very generic, but if it means anything, the Rex seems to be really nice and there are two persons over the Rex, but not on the saddle per say.🤣

At least I think flags on saddles will be a thing

[blissful perch]

You have beautifully described the limitations of linear progression. Modular component based crafting like ark 2 is proposing is meant to encourage lateral progression rather than the strict upgrades of linear progression

[blissful perch]

You need about 30 components and three “slots” to hit numbers like the ones mentioned in the founders note

[blissful perch]

Strange assumption that tech level defines QoL for stuff like mat gathering but it’s not an uncommon assumption. We could simply need less by the same logic which means less grind 🤷‍♂️

[desert swallow]

Resource gathering got pretty absurd by gen 2

it should be scaled back

[south lance]

eh

[blissful perch]

Agree with the first point, disagree with the second

[south lance]

given how stupid ark is time commitment wise i dont think gen2 changes much

it just means instrad of spending all your time breeding and farming its mainly just breeding

[blissful perch]

Both are gross ☠️

[south lance]

but even then gen2 farming is only really significant with stryders which arent useful without tek tele i think?

i dont think you can link to a dedi when its cryod

idk tho havent touched anything end game in ages

[south lance]

ya either going down is a plus imo

[blissful perch]

Grinds that are purely time based are kinda cringe

[desert swallow]

People that complain about grinds are kinda cringe

[blissful perch]

Needing to sit and wait for a capped furnace to smelt is a waste of time, not sure how else to put it

[desert swallow]

that's not a grind, that's waiting

build more furnaces smarty pants.

[blissful perch]

Holding W to point A then back to point B is also a waste of time. There’s nothing engaging about it

It’s fine to require material gathering, but hours of grinding for a single item is just excessive

[mint swan]

grinding is fun though. plus during most games who support grinding dont force you to do nothing as those timers run off.

[blissful perch]

Grinding might be fun if you’ve got time to burn. I don’t have that time in my life and don’t want to feel obligated to spend it on excessive grinds before I can do the fun gameplay ark 2 will offer

[mint swan]

and somehow i love it. the outcome is not the reward, the pride of the hours and work you put into it is

[blissful perch]

I get that from my full time job. I have a way harder time obtaining it from gathering hide I’m gonna use up to make one saddle

Maybe if you got attacked more while trying to get materials, or materials came from missions it would be more fun. Perhaps the MH style where after X hunts you get bonus mats

[tropic crag]

You can't cryo them, so there's that 😅

[mint swan]

from my experience, i dont like games who force you to grind, i like games who give you an option. not like it will be gamebreaking once you have it, but more of a trophy to show off the work you got. obviously its good if it has some form of use, but it doesnt always need to be part of the core game

[blissful perch]

A game like ark 2 needs to have optional near endless grind to satisfy the giga sweats from ark 1

So on that issue I’m aware of the nature of the game and the audience lol. I just can’t stand it when games are like “oooh isn’t it fun to have to grind 1000 ore for one item as a primary gameplay loop”

[mint swan]

agree

[split dove]

and then you pick up a foundation and said item breaks and you gotta do it all over again 😂

[blissful perch]

Ugh, I still hate the no pick up in vanilla after what 30 seconds?

[mint swan]

though i still hate the fact that grinding and being online 24/7 has such a huge advantage in pvp, the meta is not being tactical with resources and taming the right dinos, its straight up requiring you to be online all the time so you wont get raided when you are not there

[south lance]

oh

[blissful perch]

This problem is the greatest challenge all permanent world games have to face. Ark/rust/conan/etc. I’m not sure the issue has really been solved yet

[south lance]

so then you literally cant do anything without a tek tele

so gen2 farming as an excess is just a meme made by people with too much time in large tribes lol

or smalls tryhards or idk pve?

[mint swan]

thats the kind of grind i dislike, but in games which includes grinding, but still doesnt need you to grind to survive. no mans sky/bee swarm simulator. i love it how i can see some other player who is better than me that gets me motivated to also get to that level of achievement

[blissful perch]

I’m not motivated by sweaty gamers. I’m impressed by scrappy and creative play though

Which is why ark PvP has so much potential but is so often disappointing to watch

[split dove]

the current combat isn't entertaining to watch either for long periods of time

[blissful perch]

No, but there’s some sick plays with kapros and whatnot that are fun to see

[split dove]

but you almost never see that kind of variety sadly

[blissful perch]

But capped flak be like is one issue and another is “oops you were within 10 miles of a giga that used LMB, you died”

[blissful perch]

That’s why I said potential 😭. I hope ark 2 can deliver

[split dove]

i hope the gameplay comes soon man 🫡

[blissful perch]

I hope my fear about the component crafting is proven wrong with the gameplay but I doubt the gameplay will show enough

[tropic crag]

No, it's ridiculous how easy it is to just get a metric fuck-ton of mats on that map, especially when the element and the teleporters and the generators are handed to you on a silver platter

[south lance]

yeah but thats already a thing elsewhere for the people who are actually able to exploit that, just do extinction element veins

[stray elm]

I've seen people try to argue the reason why resources are handed to you, and why the map is so easy is cause it's the last map.
But that to me gives it even more of a reasoning to be harder then any other map before it.

[south lance]

this just streamlines the process a bit

[blissful perch]

The ease imo is the fed suit waaay more than any complaint about gathering

[south lance]

and reduces load on people who arent already playing with sweats

[stray elm]

Fair.
I do think the fed-suit should've been limited.

[south lance]

fed suit is fine for how the maps designed

[stray elm]

'eh'

[south lance]

people who first get dolphins wouldve gotten the same

[stray elm]

Not when you can avoid 99% of your problems.

[south lance]

yes thats already ark

[blissful perch]

Then redesign the map. It’s lame as hell to start with a Jetpack lol

I loved genesis 2 after I disabled that tek suit

[south lance]

you could probably make a way better map yeah

[pure siren]

I wonder if they are going to incorporate certain dinos in the farming experience? That would be super awesome!

[stray elm]

Dolphins require element though.
Which would take awhile without a suit.
But then, you can't even ride them until you get the tek-saddle for them.

[blissful perch]

Like dung beetles or do you have something else in mind?

[south lance]

that slows down progress by maybe a month on multiplayer

at least excluding wipe servers

[pure siren]

no like, dinos being used to cultivate the land and stuff like that

[stray elm]

That'd still would give the map a bit more difficulty.

[split dove]

like the monkey being able to gather fiber when wandering when tamed?

[south lance]

sure but youd be better off just remaking the map into something more suitable for no tek suit

[blissful perch]

Hmm, having Dino’s craft or gather stuff could work, but it’s dicey. I wouldn’t want a map clogged to the gills with farming tames

[desert swallow]

maybe if you have to plow the land you get better yield on crops and the bigger dinos can help with that, almost like a tractor.

[south lance]

maybe if its automated

[blissful perch]

I’m good not allowing any terrain alteration

Sounds super exploitable if the mesh is a concern

[pure siren]

Exactly!

[south lance]

sounds like a chore though

[desert swallow]

It'd be very shallow terrain alteration.

[blissful perch]

And ofc it takes up the most precious resource of all; space

[south lance]

you wouldnt even need to alter terrain

[desert swallow]

farming is a chore! You kids these days!

[south lance]

just modify its texture

[desert swallow]

does not compute

[south lance]

?

yk how games make trail marks with vehicles

[desert swallow]

Someone deleted their comment, because they are a bad programmer.

[south lance]

oh nvm me then

[tropic crag]

My very first tame on Gen 2 was an R-reaper, and I didn't even need to use a tek suit for that lol

[ruby isle]

ark 2 news in the game awards? yes or no

[blissful perch]

Literally just watch the announcements channel

[split dove]

nothing confirmed, if it is than it's a welcome surprise

[blissful perch]

@split dove am I missing something? Is this an impossible challenge?

[split dove]

[blissful perch]

Wait for news from the official source: difficulty impossible

[split dove]

Read pins and only trust official sources of news: difficulty legendary impossible

[blissful perch]

That, but also just basic patience

It’s not like WC will be so dumb that they fail to announce their own gameplay trailer in their announcements channel

[lapis ore]

lol

[split dove]

we're talking about people waiting casually 30 hours to tame something, but they're impatient for some news about the new game that shouldn't be rushed

[blissful perch]

Yes. The duality of man I guess 😂

[split dove]

ah yes i want the game to launch broken 5 months early so i don't have to wait

[thick moat]

(And after all people will complain either way)

[blissful perch]

No dum dum, they want the game perfect and released five months early with the promise of full bug free DLC launches every six months. Duh

[split dove]

ark players really got the speedrun for most mental challenges

[crystal wasp]

is the control and movement like the original ark

[split dove]

there will be advanced character traversal mechanics like mantling, free-climbing, parkour, sliding, and swinging, as for the new combat system there will be target-lock, blocks, dodges, combos, staggers, special attacks emphasizing player-skill-based action. And the game will be third person only due to the new changes/additions ark 2 has that wouldn't work in first person.

[blissful perch]

Let me rephrase. They want the game rushed and bug free at the same time

And they ALSO want all future DLC content to be rushed and bug free

[split dove]

so the yearly call of duty example, well before they're no longer a every year release anymore since now

[past wind]

the issue I talked about isn't the amount, but the spawn randomness for the basic resources.

[blissful perch]

I replied to a comment in the discussion thread. Dw, I noticed you then went on to say random basic resources would be bad (and I agree)

[south lance]

sounds excessive but i havent done reaper taming so idk

[rotund grail]

We see what happens when they take their time. RUSH it get the game out .

[split dove]

You're part of the problem if you want another super rushed base game, you can always play that. We on the other hand want a game that has the needed time and love put into it before it releases so it's playable and the code doesn't break with every update. God forbid you need to wait a little longer for a better version of the game to be ready

[south lance]

i dont know what is being referred to in regards to taking their time

dlc rant?

[split dove]

Probably referring to the first and so far only delay from 2022 to 2023

[stray elm]

They probably think that, just cause the DLC's have always been delayed and they've stilled came out in a buggy state, that delays don't matter

Like, boi, I don't want the 2020-version of Genesis-2 if it was that fucking unstable as the 2021 version

[mint swan]

You have to wonder though

[stray elm]

No, I don't

[mint swan]

What does wildcard need time to fix when they release it fucked up usually anyways

[stray elm]

There's a term called 'more fucked up'

[mint swan]

But is it fucked up more or is it just a smoke screen

Can you really take them at their word

[stray elm]

Like I'll fucking take your word "Senator Armstrong"

[mint swan]

Perhaps. They aren't blizzard but I couldn't trust wildcard more than I could throw them.

[stray elm]

[south lance]

its what happens when youre working on code so spaghetti its effectively fabric

hopefully they get shit cleaned up this time so not only is game at launch playable, but future updates are cleaner and less problematic to implement

[past wind]

I don’t know… I never agreed with that kind of assertion… it was not really the code, but they were too ambitious to what their studio could do

Now they are bigger and have more money, they also have more time to develop and release the first public version

Also UE is more mature as an engine

[rugged coral]

Whole lot of people pretending they know what they are talking about going on here

[past wind]

No one is pretending… we are just chit chatting

[fallow niche]

[rugged coral]

My friend, people are always pretending something

[jaunty nexus]

[south lance]

not much else to do

though ark having spaghetti code has been mentioned enough that its probably true

[rugged coral]

On ark 2 though, I keep thinking how amazing it would be if the AI was a bit more complex, if the dinosaurs had path finding etc

[south lance]

thats been confirmed already

[rugged coral]

Then I remember that like 80% of ark is about exploiting the bad AI

[south lance]

whether its bad or not nobody will know cept the devs

oh

[rugged coral]

I’m excited, and nervous

[south lance]

i mean as long as its as good as ark1 idrc ill play

[stray elm]

Well, hopefully with the new gameplay loop, we wont need to exploit the AI

[south lance]

id be pretty interested in playing ark1 back when nobody knew all this cheese and shit

ark2 could just be that and id play it

[rugged coral]

I just hope it’s easier to play online

[south lance]

?

[stray elm]

Or single-player isn't dull as all hell

[rugged coral]

We out here pretending Ark multiplayer is easy and intuitive?

[south lance]

oh

[rugged coral]

No other game has ever asked me to forward my ports

[south lance]

i imagine theyd streamline that shit

[rugged coral]

I pray

[past wind]

It is a complex game, you are not supposed to know everything on day one

[south lance]

i think he means connecting to private servers

[past wind]

But yeah, maybe more hints in game would help

[rugged coral]

Bingo

[stray elm]

Doesn't help ARK-1 runs on Nitrado servers

[south lance]

wonder if ark2 will

[stray elm]

God, please no

[rugged coral]

The mention of a lock on mechanic also sounds like a god send

[south lance]

thats been controversial

though i hope its optional

[rugged coral]

Although, worried about the removal of first person

However, things working differently in first and third person has been extremely janky

So, glad to see that go, I guess

[stray elm]

In 99% of soul-likes, they are.

[rugged coral]

And hey, would also be super nice if female characters weren’t arbitrarily nerfed

[past wind]

I think it will be part of the new mechanics, but lock on might be limited to some situations. I doubt ranged weapons will have lock on enabled

[rugged coral]

If not, then you’ll have to third person everything

And that’s kind of cringe

[south lance]

i wonder how theyll make ranged weapons fun

[rugged coral]

Dodging will be a huge help

[past wind]

Why?

[south lance]

cause fp is pretty huge part of ranged play

most people dont play 3p shooters ime

[past wind]

GTA is funny though 🤣

[south lance]

or at least prefer fp

[rugged coral]

Kiting currently works perfectly fine, but you need like 140% movement speed to be safe and even then, you need to keep extremely strict spacing.
Dodging will make ranged weapons feel a lot bette r

[south lance]

i dont really know much about gta though i dont think pvp is a big part of that game

at least not in the same way it is in ark

[past wind]

By GTA I mean any third person shooter. I’m not so sure FP is really necessary to make it fun, but I agree I prefer FP for the ranged weapons

[rugged coral]

The only shooter I tolerate third person in is warframe, because you are hyper mobile. If I could toggle first and third in warframe, I would likely still choose third

I can’t see ark ever being anything like that, in terms of mobility

Although, the souls games showed me at least that you can have lock on ranged weapons without completely destroying pvp

The only thing that you really lose is sniping people from 918282 meters away

[past wind]

Actually, reading what they’ve said until now, they want the character to has a lot of mobility on the map

[stray elm]

Also, lock-on for Souls games are sometime a hindering factor with melee attacks.

Especially with larger foes.

[rugged coral]

Sure, but things like mantling have been done to death in first person. That doesn’t necessitate a third person camera

We definitely won’t be bullet jumping and backflipping etc

[past wind]

But, for some reason, they thought it wasn’t good for Ark 2

[stray elm]

'imagine they added backflipping'

[rugged coral]

If it ends up being an issue, it wouldn’t be impossible to fix. It’s just perspective. I’m happy for them to experiment with their game. They got it this far, after all.

Ark, for all its shortcomings, stands triumphant on a sea of thousands of failed games

[past wind]

I mean, there’s no gameplay, I can’t give you a reason for taking TP out. But I believe they’ve tried and didn’t like the results

[rugged coral]

They’re doing something right

[past wind]

Actually they’ve already confirmed it’s possible to have a mod to add FP. But I don’t believe we will see FP on official servers

[stray elm]

First-Person can work with everything they've been listing off, but the issue lies that they'd have to completely make all animations from scratch to suit first-person, the movement would probably be a bit different to suit it, and whatnot

[past wind]

If you play on unnofficial servers, you will probably have FP

[rugged coral]

I think I’ve misread, are they removing first or third person?

[past wind]

FP

[stray elm]

First

[rugged coral]

Yeah, that’s what I thought

[stray elm]

Yes, a very janky First-Person

[past wind]

Yeah. But the probable reason for that is: Ark 2 isn’t being made for FP

[rugged coral]

Then we find out the reason there’s no first person is because it’s mobile only

[stray elm]

I know this, yes.

[rugged coral]

Lol

[stray elm]

True

[rugged coral]

We all have phones, after all.

[stray elm]

What if I don't.

[rugged coral]

Back to 40 structures per platform for you, then

[stray elm]

Fair

BUT!
At least I'll have first-person if I go back to ARK-1

[tropic crag]

It's (supposed to be) the second hardest tame to acquire in the map, behind the voidwyrm

[lime forge]

You did not get a day 1 reaper without using the tek suit

Quit fibbing

[tropic crag]

I'm not, it's completely possible

More possible than running alpha dragon with no mut and no crafted saddles, even 😏

Or whatever boss we were going to fight, idk I can't remember

[untold ingot]

I disagree that it is supposed to be the second hardest lol. Taming reapers on gen2 is really easy.

Shadowmane and noglin are worse tames lol

[tropic crag]

Fair enough

Forgot about the noglin tbh

(Since it's absolutely useless)

[lime forge]

I mean I can actually beat broodmother and monkey without mutating rexes, and I can provide evidence. Not just baseless claims.

Also nobody ever said we wouldn’t use the saddle bp we have

[tropic crag]

I can record myself getting the impregnation if you really must make it a rooster measuring contest, lmao

Hardly a baseless claim

[jaunty nexus]

[lime forge]

Do it. Beginning to end. I wanna see the entire process

[tropic crag]

Will do, but it's going to be in 30 second chunks, lol

Can't afford the space on my PC so have to do it on my Xbox

[south lance]

shadowmane is harder?

[tropic crag]

Actually, I can do one 5 minute clip if I turn the quality down! So expect that in a little while

[lime forge]

You gonna cut out the gcm commands?

[lime forge]

I wouldn’t say hard. I would say tedious. Once you get the fish it’s a pretty simple process

[south lance]

no ik how shadowmane taming works, i just dont see how a reaper is easier

[tropic crag]

It is, trust me

[south lance]

unless you are bringing some shotgun or other weapon

in which case getting the weapon is the hardest part

[tropic crag]

Shadowmane taming is some of the roughest in the game imo just because of the unnecessarily EXACT spacing and timing needed to even begin taming them

[south lance]

you can just run them into a box lol

[tropic crag]

We're talking the legit way, not cheese

Or at least, I am

Can't speak for others around here 😏

[south lance]

how do you legit tame a reaper day1 without having a stupid strong weapon

[tropic crag]

Simple, the acid in the innards biome

EZ

[south lance]

the acid affects reapers 🤨

[tropic crag]

Yarp

[south lance]

thats so dumb lol

[tropic crag]

Why wouldn't it?

[south lance]

it shouldnt imo

[tropic crag]

Ok, I got that, now why lol

[south lance]

id say its cause theyre his immune system but youd say that our own macrophages cant survive our stomach

[lime forge]

Shadowmane is just catch fish, start tame in the morning. It’s not difficult at all.

[south lance]

but i reject that similarity because this is a game and its supposed to be hard or smthn

[tropic crag]

Well, to be fair, the reaper queens aren't usually trying to get kited into the acid

[blissful perch]

It does help that rockwell innards lacks radiation so your armor can break and you can die more easily

[tropic crag]

Yeah, once you have the baby you just jump in the acid or run at something and then spawn back at base and raise, or if you have structures enabled tp via bed (but I will have structures off as intended for the run, don't worry, wouldn't want an unfair advantage 😂 )

[jaunty nexus]

[gleaming grove]

They need to add carch in here as well as the heliocoprion and suchomimus

[blissful perch]

I was asleep until you said my boy helicoprion

Tbh they shouldn’t waste time on sucho: it’s basically bary. Much better they focus on other excellent choices like Anomalocaris or Xiphactinus

[ripe marsh]

Tribute to Anomalocaris

by scorpiopede

[lavish rain]

Just don't get hir by a tentacle

[lavish rain]

You talking about crazy shit

[lavish rain]

What's so special

[frank grove]

what you call cheese i say is improvising and thinking smart, traps are used for a lot of tames and that's not cheesing the taming method, its thinking smart and being prepared before hand.

[lavish sparrow]

Anyone know if Ark 2 will make use of nanites offered by UE5?

[ocean mason]

No one really knows much besides whats been shown

[ripe cedar]

Nanites are microscopic robots but in terms of ue5 nanite i would say yes

[grim kestrel]

If they are using UE5 which I think they are, I just imagine greatness after playing that demo for UE5 through The Matrix.

[grave python]

imagine all the bluescreens and lag

[grim kestrel]

Not picturing any of that so long as they release it only to PS5, Xbox Series X/S, and PC.

If someone blue screens cause they don't pay attention to specifications, that not dev's fault.

[past wind]

They are, it’s confirmed somewhere

[grim kestrel]

It time to stop releasing games on Xbox One and PS4, that hardware is holding back development potential.

[fallow niche]

In the pinned message from Dollie.

[past wind]

AFAIK ark 2 is next gen only

It’s confirmed for the Xbox Series and Pc only

[grim kestrel]

Good.

It'll end up on PS5 probably a year later. Similarly how GTA always waits a year to go to PC

[quaint horizon]

theres a 3 year contract with microsoft. so if it went to ps it would be 3 years after

[grim kestrel]

Well there you go

[split dove]

that's just for gamepass, nothing about if it will be a xbox console exclusive for that time

[quaint horizon]

yes there is ill link

cant link it

screenshot i guess will have to do

[grim kestrel]

Looking forward to the cross-play modding though.

[past wind]

The truth is we don’t know what they have agreed. We better stick to official statements. It’s coming for Xbox series and pc (MS Store and Steam). Besides that, we don’t know.

We don’t know if it will make to Epic Games Store, or Sony, or Nintendo

[split dove]

i hope it's never on mobile like ark 1 mobile 💀

[blissful perch]

Depends a great deal on the trap

[past wind]

IF it comes, will be from a different studio. Does no harm for us

[blissful perch]

Erecting a trap around a bear trapped rex is cheese. Building a trap and luring something into it I can see as something more akin to the creativity you describe

[grim kestrel]

I assume since modding is cross platform that all servers are connected for play unlike now where steam players and Win10/Xbox can't play.

That would make sense anyway.

[quaint horizon]

gp did a video a while back about all this. wildcard has come and said at some point they would come to other platforms but didnt give a date

[past wind]

I believe that’s their goal

The new SOTF will run cross-platform between steam and Xbox

[past wind]

Who’s gp? Also never saw that statement, from official sources

[worldly garden]

3 years gamepass, not 3 years exclusive.

[past wind]

Oooh you GP 🤣

[split dove]

oh the timing, seems he was stalking the chat like i usually do

[quaint horizon]

yea so far as we know.

[past wind]

Did ever see them saying other platforms would come in the future?

[grim kestrel]

Hope it launches with both PvE and PvP though where Ark 1 was PvP, then PvE got added.

[worldly garden]

This is the exact reply I got from the CEO:

"it is always our plan to make Ark & Ark II available on as many platforms as possible for as many people possible so, at some point you can expect Switch and PlayStation in that mix."

[past wind]

Nice

[grim kestrel]

Pretty sure they said that at a gaming event to.

But yeah I prefer PvE in games like Ark.

[past wind]

That’s not true. I’ve played pve and pvp since launch

Actually the first official server I tried was pve

But for Ark 2 both modes are confirmed

[blissful perch]

I’d say ark 1 released as a very bare bones early access product (no bashing WC: that’s just what it was) back in 2015. PvP generates content though even if the actual game isn’t that robust, so that’s probably where you’re thinking WC has a greater PvP focus. Using simple or incomplete game mechanics against other players creates competition and purpose out of what may otherwise be a very basic or incomplete PvE experience

[broken dune]

Ark 2 will be on mobile cuz of xcloud :)

[mint swan]

no way Ark 2 will be on mobile without changing the game completely

[stray elm]

I think they're already talking about a mobile port.

I remember Jesse I believe looking for mobile dev's that can port games on Facebook, like a year ago.

[mint swan]

wonder what it would look like

[stray elm]

Probably like ARK-1 with ini settings

[mint swan]

but think about it, if it wont run on ps4 or the older xbox generation, how could it possibly run fine on mobile

you would need the ultimate gaming phone to pull that off

[broken dune]

I played ark 1 on mobile with xcloud

[stray elm]

A lot of newer phones are being built for gaming

[broken dune]

anything is possible with cloud gaming

[mint swan]

they are, but do you really think they could beat a playstation to it?

[stray elm]

Yes.

Cause Valve was able to beat Nintendo with the Switch.

[mint swan]

i am not familiar with Valve, could you maybe explain?

[stray elm]

They made a portable console that's like 10x more powerful then the switch.
And you can open it up and customize its parts like a PC without removing the warranty.

It's basically a portable handheld PC

[mint swan]

impressive

[stray elm]

Around the same size of a Switch also.
So if a company like Apple was able to reverse engineer one, and make it even smaller, then yes, I can see gaming phones that're onpar to a PS5.

[mint swan]

interesting, the end of stuck at home platforms?

[blissful perch]

I suspect ark 2 mobile will be as different from ark 2 as ark 1 mobile is from ark 1

[mint swan]

could totally be when you consider new generations of phones with less limitations

[stray elm]

We're already at the end of physical games.
So at-home consoles are possibly starting to also go.

[mint swan]

would hate to see that leave tbh, hopefully that will still take a 5 to 10 years

[blissful perch]

I doubt home consoles are going anywhere

Since ultimately a gaming PC and a home console are becoming functionally identical

[stray elm]

True.
A gaming PC will always have a longer lifespan then a handheld.

[blissful perch]

As well as more space, better specs, likely easier on the eyes, etc

[mint swan]

true, though consoles still allow multiple players behind it, and it just feels more fun and like a party when sitting behind a screen with 4 people, unlike sitting serperately

[stray elm]

Though a handheld like the Steam-Deck will probably also last awhile, since again, you can change the parts of it like a gaming PC.

[blissful perch]

I’m impressed with the steam deck, but ultimately the size is going to cut the max specs it can run

[blissful perch]

Consoles will always be in at local multiplayer. But that format is slipping

[stray elm]

Fair, a handheld will always be more lesser then a stationary gaming PC.

But the Steam-Deck still got me excited to see what other companies will do with portables.

[blissful perch]

It’s certainly a major leap for portables

[stray elm]

I also love how they have a tutorial on their channel of "how to open the Steam-Deck" for anyone who wants to replace parts.

Then you got companies like Nintendo that're stingy with shit like that, and will try to sue you if you remove the warranty.

[blissful perch]

It’s the old school way to avoid dealing with incompetent tampering

[stray elm]

Sure, sure.
But like Valve states in their video "you shouldn't do this, but this 'is' your product."

[blissful perch]

I’d say valve also has done a good job of making it popular to ban people based on the game rather than the platform

[lavish rain]

Damn new ark 2 leaks wilf

[stray elm]

True

[lavish rain]

We get consoles in ark 2?

[blissful perch]

Yep. Your ark 2 rex can now beat your ass in COD

[stray elm]

Yeah man, we got the Steam-Deck in ARK-2.
Sponsored by Valve.

[blissful perch]

Although I’m betting an ark 2 snail or dodo could beat Lotus

[lavish rain]

Why

[blissful perch]

Cause ur bad. Dodo’s words not mine

[stray elm]

I'd fucking die from laughter if Valve actually sponsored Wildcard to put a Steam-Deck model in ARK-2. 💀

[lavish rain]

I have the power of God and drugs

[stray elm]

So just God

[blissful perch]

So nothing 🧠

[lavish rain]

Wut

[lavish rain]

[blissful perch]

Everyone knows god only grants his gaming prowess to dodos

[lavish rain]

And drugs?

[blissful perch]

Those offer you no power

[lavish rain]

Yes they do

[mint swan]

they offer the illusion of power

[blissful perch]

Not if it’s a COD match against ark 2 dodos

[lavish rain]

Yes

I'm higher then the highest in the game on coke

[blissful perch]

“Dodos too strong for you“ source

[lavish rain]

You 1v1 a dodo then

@stray elm anything on that leak you found?

[blissful perch]

I play coop with the ark 2 dodo, you lose to them in 1v1s. We are not the same

[stray elm]

What leak?

[tropic crag]

Ignore him, he's high

[south lance]

i think hes talkong about that gen2 thing you found in dev kit but its not really a leak

[stray elm]

That's not really a leak, more of a hidden detail

[untold ingot]

It doesn't give any more information than we already knew. I think the devs are smart enough to not leave blatent leaks in the dev kit lol

[stray elm]

It does confirm some stuff lore-wise if the internal names stay in ARK-2.

[rancid night]

Think we gon get ark 2 stuffs thursday?

[untold ingot]

True

[stray elm]

We could, or we couldn't.
We'll see.

[tough swallow]

I hope ark 2 has more interesting base building, or hopefully it'll be less reliant on finding an op base spot to even have a chance

[stray elm]

Read the steampage.

The confirmed they building-system is being changed.

[tough swallow]

Sweet

[blissful perch]

Ofc what you actually seemed interested in was more to do with map design and how raids are conducted than the actual building mechanics

[stray elm]

Oh wait, I just realized what they said.

Either way, what I said would help I believe.
A better building system could help with base-spots.

If they made building on uneven-grounds less of a pain, then everywhere is a base-location.

[untold ingot]

Really hope the actual spot you build doesn't really impact the quality of base

If rust has any aspect of game play better than ark it's that you can build anywhere and it's basically equivalent

[blissful perch]

It’s almost guaranteed to have an effect

Even something as simple as a hill or a cliff can have pretty major impact on defensibility

[untold ingot]

Well, yeah, to a degree. But currently unless you have a minimal offline timer or a crazy rathole or crouch point it's not a viable base location

[blissful perch]

That’s because most of the map gets clean wiped with extreme ease

[untold ingot]

I mean, it's not extreme ease. It takes skill to do, but it's doable by any moderate skill player

[stray elm]

Conan is also pretty good with the 'you can build anywhere'
Resources will always be an issue, since if you build in one spot with metal and crystal, then obsidian might be on another far off mountain.
But at least Conan has it that you stack foundations ontop of eachother, making building on uneven terrain easy.

[untold ingot]

Conan building is pretty good imo. The rest of the game play is lacking though

[blissful perch]

Sorry, I was accidentally implying that both rat holes (which are often protected by small tribes with lower asset counts) and crouch point caves that house megas are the same. They very much aren’t 😂

[stray elm]

I'f like the thrall's, if they weren't generic deadpan NPC's that just sit there.

[blissful perch]

I hate the idea of human NPCs in any ark game

[stray elm]

Didn't ask

[untold ingot]

You don't need a mega to hold a crouch point cave though...

[blissful perch]

No, but I used both extremes

[stray elm]

One thing I really hope is that concept-art wont be as cut as we've seen before.

[untold ingot]

Using a rathole in ark isn't an extreme though. And usually that is for really small tribes or solos. If you have more than like 3 people most ratholes aren't viable

[stray elm]

Concept-art Extinction would've been the best map, personally

[blissful perch]

That counts as an extreme does it not? Sounds like the smallest viable base spot to me

The point is simple, which is that base locations are extremely limited in ark 1, and a combination of better building mechanics, map design, and raid mechanics will likely be essential to change that

[untold ingot]

It's a failsafe, not an extreme lol

[blissful perch]

Is there a smaller viable base location on a map? I was under the impression that rat holes were by nature the smallest safe base you could use

[stray elm]

There was also concept-art for Genesis-2 that looked like it was set inside of the ship, with ship drones flying around.
Would've loved to see that.

[untold ingot]

Not necessarily, I know of some ratholes that are bigger than some caves lol

Imo a rathole is just a cave with a smaller entrance

[blissful perch]

That’s very clearly not what’s being referred to when speaking of smallest viable base locations. Unless you have another word for tiny ratholes?

[blissful perch]

“Cut” meaning not put into the game? Cause that’s basically a certainty with concept art

It’s designed for brainstorming and concept mapping is it not?

[untold ingot]

Caves?

[stray elm]

That is what cut means, yes.

[stray elm]

Sure, sure.
But some of their brainstorm ideas where pretty good, if not better then the final version.

[blissful perch]

On paper a lotta stuff looks good. In practice isn’t so simple

[untold ingot]

Ratholes at this point are intended, at least most of them. The generally aren't viable unless they are unknown due to how easy they are to wioe

[blissful perch]

So the only viable (legal) locations on a map are crouch point caves? Is that your argument?

[untold ingot]

No, 😂

[stray elm]

Again, sure.
But I don't think even on-paper, a barebones desert that covers 60% of Extinction would've been better then having either multiple wasteland biomes, or having it all volcanic or swamp-like.

[blissful perch]

You’re being obtuse unless you whip out a secret example of an open map base location that’s viable that I’m not aware of

The entire point has to do with requiring players to use a very narrow set of locations to build bases in

[untold ingot]

Cliff bases are viable, they are in fact way more common than rathole bases

[blissful perch]

On genesis 1 ocean cliffs?

[untold ingot]

Depending on the map of course

[blissful perch]

Haven’t seen them on most other maps

[untold ingot]

Gen1 ocean, lunar, volcano, snow, fjordur realm, ab cliffs

Center is pretty common for them too

[blissful perch]

I dunno, for immersion the single biome monotony is pretty powerful. The idea is that the world is dead except for the proto arks and the tek city

[untold ingot]

Keep it sfw thanks

[stray elm]

You can still have a dead-Earth not look boring.
Again, volcanic wasteland, or a pure corrupted Earth wasteland would've been better then just sand.

[untold ingot]

The point is that there are lots of viable base locations currently in ark. It is just to easy to raid all of them. People use ratholes a lot because youtube has them hyped as the only viable locations, when they are only a small set of viabke spots, and get scouted almost daily lol

You can't really defend a rathole, so moving to a cave or cliff is by far superior for long term bases. They just take more dedication to make

[blissful perch]

Volcanic implies activity, even if it’s only geothermal, whereas barren endless waste gives an entirely new perspective

[stray elm]

Certainly gives a new perspective of how to make the end-of-the-world boring

[untold ingot]

The waste has 3 biomes though, the normal waste, the sulfer flats and the edge

[blissful perch]

So walk me through how you didn’t just contradict this statement. If base spots are all over the place what’s the problem with the place you choose being better or worse

[blissful perch]

What’s boring is an endless unexplained volcanic biome that reeks of generic “oh this will look cool” energy 😂

[stray elm]

Yes, but the normal waste takes up a good 60% of the map.
If it was just a condensed zone, maybe more near the edge, then I would've been happy.

[blissful perch]

Or the sunken forest being largely empty 🪦

[potent hull]

shifer you all was tack the money

lol

[untold ingot]

My hopes for ark2 is that cave and cliff bases aren't the mainstream base spots. It doesn't contradict anything from ark1 lol

[stray elm]

And like I said, a environment filled with corruption spires would've also been better.

[untold ingot]

There is a little of that at the corner by the snow, but yeah, ext was a bit of a letdown with the environment

[blissful perch]

We had that: it was the forbidden zone. And that zone looked far more imposing with its unique aesthetic

Not saying extinction was flaw free with the map design: but the wasteland was probably the best part of the map after the tek city

[untold ingot]

I think what hurt ext the most was how most of it is unbuildable

[blissful perch]

The sunken forest was also like 80% unfinished too

Huge expanses of same terrain with pretty much nothing going on except one river

[stray elm]

Extinction as a whole feels unfinshed if you're not in the city or ARK's.

[blissful perch]

Sunken forest is by far the least finished on that map

[untold ingot]

I think it served the purpose as being a decent testing ground for genesis

[blissful perch]

I also don’t remember any unique features of the snow dome, but I confess I also didn’t go there too terribly much compared to the other domes

[blissful perch]

Sure, doesn’t mean it wasn’t done 😂

[untold ingot]

I don't think it was done lol

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 was a great prototype for ark 2, doesn’t mean the prototype didn’t have some oof moments

[untold ingot]

I think it was rushed

[stray elm]

It was.

Atlas was being developed at the same time.

[blissful perch]

Like most ark 1 releases things were rushed

[untold ingot]

They took more time making genesis, and I think overall it turned out significantly better

[blissful perch]

It’s not surprising. A major fear I have for ark 2 is the same scope creep that screwed with ark 1

[stray elm]

Honestly, if it means a more detailed, better map. I don't care if they move DLC's to once every two years. Personally

[blissful perch]

Genesis was certainly a step up from the maps prior in a lot of ways. But both genesis maps still had glaring issues that needed greater consideration

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I am for that too lol

The dlcs that they spent more time on turned out way better

[blissful perch]

Release when the content is done 🤷‍♂️. Not when it’s barely presentable. But that’s not possible on a tiny budget so I get it

What I wish I understood better is why, when deadlines were clearly getting tight and funds may or may not have been short, stuff kept going into the game when it was buggy or had clear issues

[untold ingot]

Because the community demands constant updates?

[blissful perch]

That only explains the timeline

[potent hull]

soon we will no if ark 2 game play will be at the game awards

[blissful perch]

I meant why stuff like the clear range issues of velos and astros just sped on by without proper QC because there was clearly too much else to consider in their respective DLC

[potent hull]

that was ward

[mint swan]

will ark 2 have pvp servers?

[blissful perch]

Yes

[stray elm]

Tasty boots.

Wait, but it still went through?
Who the fuck did you just delete?

What about dinosaurs?

[blissful perch]

What the heck

[potent hull]

i no

ho it this guy

[split dove]

🍿

[stray elm]

And btw, yes.
ARK-2 does have the Online-PvP genre.

[blissful perch]

Flobs get in here, I need to share your popcorn

[potent hull]

no

[stray elm]

Better make a fucking batch for all of us

[blissful perch]

Well you better slide on over, cause my hand is in the popcorn already and it’s getting eaten faster than meat in a breeding trough

[potent hull]

i got popcorn jut need to jump in to the box and hop you get out lol

[stray elm]

🔪 Looks like someone wont be having popcorn.

I'm going to stab the popcorn container, then no one can have it.

Cutting a whole in the bottom, so when you pick it up it'll all fall out.

......what?

[split dove]

Idk either

[blissful perch]

I’d be down for death blades on my wrists as ark 2 weapons

[stray elm]

Blades of Chaos in ARK-2?

[split dove]

If we get customisable tattoos and double swords I'm going full Kratos mode

[stray elm]

.......What?

[blissful perch]

I think death blades is a lotus alt

[stray elm]

Same

They said English is their native language, so it could be Lotus

[split dove]

His alt when he's under influence

[blissful perch]

He’s saying we’ll know soon if ark 2 is at the awards and if not he’ll get angry

[stray elm]

Or is he asking 'us' to get angry?

[sturdy iron]

biomes like the snow biome (If it get's added) should be more base friendly imo, its just endless death there, and the aesthetic would look cool

[blissful perch]

(Who’s gonna tell him)

[stray elm]

About?

[potent hull]

boot leg we will soon see on 8 for ark 2 game play if not get angry

[blissful perch]

People already build in snow biomes 😅

[stray elm]

Ahh right.

Personally, I think snow biomes should be the hardest to build in.

[split dove]

Do we need a new dictionary dedicated to Blades?

[blissful perch]

I think biomes that are clearly hostile should be hostile to bases, I agree

Although if snow biomes were seasonal that could be chef’s kiss

[stray elm]

Also, if the Genesis-2 model of Arat is anything to go off of. Then the planet is like 20% fucking ice.
So snow-biomes will be a thing

[blissful perch]

Although I’m curious if the “base map” is near such places

[untold ingot]

There better be snow bases

[blissful perch]

I wonder if we get a frost DLC if we don’t have snow biomes off the bat

[untold ingot]

That's like my favorite biome

Well, ocean is too

[stray elm]

If they're adding dedicated snow-biomes.
They could replace snow biomes with seasons instead. And have later on a dedicated snow-map.

[untold ingot]

And redwoods

[blissful perch]

I’m an average swamp enjoyer: so I’m good making snow worse to live in if swamps become more viable 😍

[untold ingot]

I might just like biomes based on how inhospitable they are lol

[sturdy iron]

I meant more base friendly, you can build bases in snow biome, i've seen a bunch but everything around, is just too hostile, i've only seen people build there late game

[stray elm]

If we can get swamps like the Bog in Genesis-1, I'd be happy

[split dove]

I go to setup my first base in any snow that isn't murder snow

[stray elm]

Sounds like a skill issue

Unironically though, an alien swamp sounds fucking cool.

[blissful perch]

^swampgang

[stray elm]

Swamp-gang.

[split dove]

So they might be "easy" areas as well

[stray elm]

HA!

[untold ingot]

I hate that biome because I am easily turned around, and get lost so much die to poor visibility lol

[blissful perch]

I love how the bog baited people in genesis 1

[stray elm]

Imagine if ARK-2's bog is literally the easiest zone on the map, and it's just the bog from Genesis-1 all over again.

[split dove]

And the ocean was the safest lol

[blissful perch]

Yet you’re fine with snow biome blizzards? Cray

[stray elm]

Sounds like a skill issue

[untold ingot]

I didn't like the permanent blizzard, but a temporary one is fine

[blissful perch]

The genesis 1 bog was the world’s most nutty lottery. You could spawn in a kapro or you could be totally safe lol

[stray elm]

And an eye-issue.
I can navigate in the Bog just fine.

[untold ingot]

It really is. I spent a year with a bog base and still get lost trying to find it

[stray elm]

Which is why I'd love if the easiest zone in ARK-2 is like that.

[untold ingot]

On foot?

[stray elm]

I want ARK-2 to crank up the difficulty.
God forbid we know Genesis-2 didn't.

[stray elm]

Yes.

[split dove]

It has to

[blissful perch]

I’m also fine with mangrove swamps being easier and more “toxic bog” areas like the dodo basketball area on gen 1 being more hostile

[untold ingot]

The devs will see this chat and decide that the best beginning spot is an instakill lava pit

[stray elm]

Though I'm also the guy that will remember the smallest details to remember them to navigate back to base.
But then if you tell me what the fuck 12 x 12 is, I'll forgor.

[stray elm]

Fuck it.
'Delete-character zone'

[blissful perch]

Waypoint based navigation: best skill I ever learned playing minecraft lol

[iron sequoia]

Transfers be like

[split dove]

I just build suggestive pillars to mark the way

[stray elm]

You could also use your map

[untold ingot]

I am so bad at navigation in a game

[stray elm]

Fair

[untold ingot]

Which is funny because irl I can walk in a random direction for miles and still know exactly where I am

[stray elm]

Sounds like a gaming-issue

[split dove]

Clearly not enough storrage space on his memory card when he's playing

[stray elm]

He needs to wipe is drive

[untold ingot]

Lol

[split dove]

I mean his pc is fried, he had to use alternatives 🤣

[untold ingot]

Yeah, at this point I am hoping they delay ark2 long enough for me to fix it lol

[split dove]

I'm happy I already upgraded my pc before I became unemployed last week

[untold ingot]

Oh, rip

[split dove]

Now the talking and looking for suitable places close-by phase starts ...... again

[untold ingot]

Good luck with that

[south lance]

imagine ark map actually having useful waypoints

thats the one thing mobile did better than pc with beds, cause they didnt fuck up the perspective

[blissful perch]

ab and extinction have excellent waypoints

[south lance]

?

[blissful perch]

and ofc the island and many other arks have obelisks

[blissful perch]

landmarks that is. Not true navigation waypoints

[south lance]

i dont mean landmarks i mean the point things you put on maps

wasnt gonna delete this^

but yeah landmarks are cool

i wish the waypoint thing worked tho

[lavish rain]

No one talk

[lavish rain]

It does but its primitive in terms of game design

@stray elm spark a conversation

[lavish rain]

Why

I'm bored

[rugged coral]

Is there anything from Ark 1 you’d like to be preserved for the sequel?

[mortal kestrel]

rockdrakes

[stray elm]

Unlikely.

[tropic crag]

Don't pretend like you know the chances of any one dino coming back in Ark 2 over anyone else, lol

It's just as likely as a rex is, or a wyvern

[short fulcrum]

Otters

[tropic crag]

Reapers, and maybe araneo or lymantria

[stray elm]

Jokes on you, I do.

It's called "I made it the fuck up"

[tropic crag]

Joke's on you, I farted 😏

[stray elm]

OwO?

What'd you eat?

[tropic crag]

Bacon potato soup from Ivar's

[stray elm]

The fuck is a Ivar's?

[tropic crag]

It's a Seattle originating seafood place

Really good clam chowder, too

[stray elm]

Ew, Seattle.
But you said clam-chowder? 👀

[tropic crag]

Yarp

Best clam chowder you'll ever have, I swear it on behalf of the entire West Coast

[stray elm]

Doubt that.
My dad makes some bomb ass homemade clam-chowder.

Nothing is better then home-cooking.

[lavish rain]

Ok

[lavish rain]

🤡

[stray elm]

The fuck is the clown emote for?

[lavish rain]

Home made food

[stray elm]

And?

[lavish rain]

That makes no sense at al

[stray elm]

Anything wrong with homemade cooking?

[lavish rain]

Yes

It's shite

[stray elm]

I'm sorry you've been around shitty cooks.

Or, are you the one doing the cooking?

[lavish rain]

No, I'm sorry YOUVE been around shitty cooks

[stray elm]

Damn, stoner is so stoned that he pulled the 'No U' card.

[lavish rain]

Don't pretend like wyvern and Rex have same odds

[lavish rain]

I mean

What's so great about homemade

[stray elm]

@tropic crag Hey Bruce, can I ask you a question?

[stray elm]

Everything is fresh, and isn't needing to be rushed by dinner times.
If you also know what you're doing, or have someone that is a certified chief, then they know how to bring out even more taste is ingredients.

[lavish rain]

Bruce always brags about being sober, yet he's always angry

[stray elm]

Only with you around.

Anything wrong with being gay? 👀

[lavish rain]

Shut up

[stray elm]

No

[lavish rain]

Leave the angry man be

[lavish rain]

Ok Bruce, expalin how a Rex and a rock drake have equal odds of coming to the game

[stray elm]

I love when I order something from Amazon, and they take 60% of their sweet ass time processing the package, 10% to get it to my area, and 30% shipping it to my house.

Oh wait, this isn't general.

I will say, that their name doesn't help this.

Yep.
But my point was that they changed it for this server.

Mind if I can see them?

[tropic crag]

By all means

[lavish rain]

@stray elm what do you think about Dino combat with the souls like combat? It seems pointless to me

[stray elm]

To be fair, dino-combat has yet to be explained.
From everything it sounds like on the steampage, the souls-like combat is (as of right now until more information) exclusive to human x human combat.

[lavish rain]

Character-dino combat is gonna be super janky with a system like that

[stray elm]

We'll see how it'll go.

[lavish rain]

That's never a good way to do things

[stray elm]

I'd assume human x creature combat will be similar to souls-game combat when fighting a giant enemy.
Which is basically the same, but without lock on.

[lavish rain]

Ew

[lavish rain]

But like that with smaller stuff too?

[stray elm]

No, I'd be more useful to use lock-on for smaller to human sized creatures

[lavish rain]

I wonder how dodging would work, especially if there are creatures with big hitboxes cough giga

[stray elm]

In souls games, you usually only lock-on if it's a tough human-sized enemy.
Weaker guys can be easily free-camera killed if you know the controls.
And big-ass dragons usually are better fought without lock-on, since it's a giant 20+ feet fucking dragon.
You wanna more run around the fucker then side-step him like a normal human.

[lavish rain]

What about dodging and hitboxes

[stray elm]

For dragon-sized creatures?
Go for the toes.
Or in newer ones like Elden-Ring, you go for the knee enough and it'll make them collapse for a few seconds, and you can go to a specific area (head, guts, etc, depending on the enemy) and deal a critical damage into their skull or whatever.

Dodging?
You ain't fucking dodging fire-breaths.
You're 'running' from fire-breaths.

You try to roll out of the way of fire, and you'll just die.
If you see that fuckers head real-backwards, then you know it's time to fucking book it.

[lavish rain]

I was talking about things like gigas

[stray elm]

Then like in ARK-1, without long-range you're fucked.

[lavish rain]

Dodging giga bites from behind

[stray elm]

That's if they don't give giga's a good turn radius.
Which they very easily could with the souls-like combat.

Or if the motherfucker wont just tail-whip you.

Or stomp on you.

[wispy sierra]

Look at monster hunter for an example. The monsters are massive but the player can still get to weak points through a verity of ways

[lavish rain]

I can't look at a game I've never played

[stray elm]

Monster-Hunter also relies on unrealistically large weapons.

[stray elm]

Youtube exists.

[wispy sierra]

True

But thing like knockdowns (like you mentioned in ER) are presently and that’s a way to get some damage

[stray elm]

Though you bring on a good point.
Monster-Hunter has a system that you can jump onto a creature and fucking slam dunk their skull with your blades.
This might be a viable way to kill a giga.

That's assuming they want giga's killable on foot, and not via large tames like ARK-1.

[lavish rain]

I don't think they want gigas Killarney on foot

[stray elm]

Which is where the tames would probably come in.
Which we know little about.......

[iron sequoia]

[lime forge]

Makes it real hard to keep up with the drama when you delete everyone’s comments!

[lavish rain]

🤣

[iron sequoia]

Let’s just return to the topic that’s on hand, Ark2

[lime forge]

I wonder if there’s gonna be drama in Ark 2?

I hope wildcard adds a character named Jaime in Ark 2 that just insults Santiago whenever they’re in the same room together

[lavish rain]

Please no

[thick moat]

What?? 😂😂

[lime forge]

It’s an inside joke

[thick moat]

[jaunty nexus]

ARK II

[ocean tendon]

elden ark

[jaunty nexus]

[sonic elbow]

I can see ARK 2 being a LOT like Monster Hunter World.

I picture a blend between ARK 1 and MHW, with less survival focus, and more cinematic action, world exploration, gathering, etc.

That's something they've been really adamant about, saying it's going to be in filmlike quality. From an outside point of view, they seem to be pretty proud of how the game looks at the moment.

But back to the MH stuff, we've already got confirmed overworld parkour, similar to MH, killing dinosaurs for their drops also seems to take a good chunk of gameplay, soulslike combat, etc.

It gets me exited, in a weird way.
They didn't really nail the 'survival' aspect for me in ARK, considering how insanely easy it is to get a surplus of food and water pretty much anywhere but Scorched Earth. And the creatures are only a minor inconvenience most of the time.

So with seemingly less focus on the survival aspect in ARK 2, from my eyes at least, there will be less to mess up on.

Or maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, and they'll overhaul everything, making it a genuinely challenging and exiting struggle to stay alive.

Either way, if I get to bash in dinosaurs with FLUID soulslike combat, I'll be happy.

And of course, the story looks like it's going to be interesting. There's not much we know about it so far, but I'm hopeful. The only real open-ends I can think of so far would possibly be Mei-Yin and Diana, and of course Element isn't going anywhere.

Just because we don't get to build Tek Tilted Towers this time around doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It's been the overarching antagonist for a long time now, its literally the foundation for everything we have ever experienced lorewise, if they throw it out the window, I couldn't possible imagine what they'd get to replace it.

And IF, on the OFF CHANCE it's the Aratai, they had better pull it off in the most badass way possible, because at the moment they aren't intimidating or particularly interesting at the moment, seeing as we have little to no info on them.

"Grr, we hate humans because space-racism, get off of our planet, boo hiss" Isn't a good enough threat.

I'm sure they'll pull it off.

[blissful perch]

I’m hoping to see MHW inspirations for a lot of the gameplay and material gathering. The carving system for example would be great in an ark game

[sonic elbow]

We're gonna, mark my words.

Uh.. ARK my words?

[blissful perch]

I think the biggest thing ark > MH is that you can tame and ride so much of the creature roster

So im very much hoping that creature movement and combat are the source of major change, not just foot combat

[sonic elbow]

Mounting in MHW is kinda weird.

[split dove]

i can't ride my meganeura as a broomstick tho

[sonic elbow]

You can slap the empty, near lifeless husk to your back in ARK Mobile.

But ya gotta cough up the big bucks first.

Give Grove ya wacky stacks.

[sonic elbow]

I read somewhere, I think the steam page or similar source that the bites would actually connect to the target, and there'd no longer be terrain meshing.

This is one thing I strongly doubt.

They're promising the world here, not everything is gonna turn out as planned or promised.

In fact, I wholeheartedly expect a Callisto Protocol release.

But I'm confident they'll fix it with time.

[split dove]

not terrain meshing, just hitboxes meshing inside eachother, but yes bites will showcase where they occur. i hope with unreal engine dinos don't clip in the ground with the mdoels

[sonic elbow]

Wym

Ah, so they meant model meshing.

[split dove]

yh so your rex isn't sniffing organs anymore

[sonic elbow]

Me watching my Survivor's model clip into the ass of my tamed Paracer in ARK 2 after I payed $120 for a game with "no model clipping"

[untold ingot]

Well, even the biggest games have model clipping lol

[blissful perch]

I’m hoping it mostly means we get hitzones

It would be nice to target attacks and get something out of it…instead of hitting ankles 😂

[untold ingot]

I mean, getting stuck on a tiny pebble on the beach when you are on a giant dinosaur is a pet peeve of mine lol

[blissful perch]

Sounds like we support a little model clipping around here then 😂

[untold ingot]

Well, as long as I don't get stuck floating in an xraptors stomach it'll be fine with me

[blissful perch]

I do wonder if cinematic kills would be fun

IE you’re stuck in a raptor stomach not due to model mesh but because you actually got eaten 😂

[untold ingot]

Lol

[split dove]

''insert brutal god of war takedown animation''

[untold ingot]

I always felt cinematic kills were too much trouble lol

[blissful perch]

They’re extremely fun if they’re short and impactful

[untold ingot]

They take too long and leave you vulnerable to attack from other sides

[tropic crag]

I would hope that the rock stopping a rex scenario would be quashed, as well, not by clipping changing but by the game taking into account that things are stepped on and over, not just into 😂

[blissful perch]

REALLY lame if they’re too long

[blissful perch]

The idea is that a cinematic kill is often faster than a prolonged fight but ofc you’re animation locked during it

Again; see primal carnage

[untold ingot]

If it is an insta kill thing that would be too op lol

[blissful perch]

Really depends on the details

I think (using ark 1 terms) a giga having a one shot cinematic kill move against foot players makes total sense

[tropic crag]

Make a long one, but make it cancellable; Predator: Hunting Grounds (which I am currently playing) has that feature for claiming the fireteam you're playing against's skulls. It also gives you more XP but leaves you vulnerable while doing it. There's also a shorter one that gives reasonably less XP

[untold ingot]

It seems like a lot of effort to do that though. A cinematic kill for dinos vs dinos or dinos VS players or players vs players seems like a lot of a animation for little to no value 😅

[blissful perch]

The cinematic kill move would be for specific scenarios (human and small dino probably) and only by very specific moves on some creatures

[fallow niche]

Or for badass bossfight endings ?

[blissful perch]

Well that can just be a hard cinematic Bee 😅

[untold ingot]

Ark is a genre where dying makes you lose hours or weeks of work in a pvp situation, so there should be a fairly long ttk. Instant kill take downs only work when the value of items lost is minimal

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 is like that

Also BS on long TTK lol, the TTK is extremely fast in ark 1 unless you’ve got capped armor 😂

[untold ingot]

Depending on scenario

[blissful perch]

It’s not the fastest I’ve ever seen, but you certainly aren’t living much on foot

[untold ingot]

Most important pvp is on foot

[ripe cedar]

I dont think you need special animations just for killing players just make the meat and bones of the combat good on its own

[blissful perch]

Yea, and it’s not long TTK when you’re hit by a bola or lit on fire. Or in any scenario you don’t have the insanely OP capped armor ark 1 has

[blissful perch]

This is a “nice to have” for sure, not a need. Agree there

[ripe cedar]

Also i really hate wildcard, why did they set the precedent of revealing ark 2 news with no prior announcement at the summer games fest because now it means that its possible for it to be at game awards. And it means clickbait youtubers have an excuse because they set this precedent

[untold ingot]

Imo it's just fluff that doesn't really enhance the quality of game play

[untold ingot]

Well, I guess keep in mind that I am not holding ark1 combat as the pinnacle of good pvp combat in games lol

[blissful perch]

Good. Don’t do that 😂

[untold ingot]

But a one tap kill is usually bad in any game, especially if it is as easy as a takedown in a melee only pvp style

[blissful perch]

It’s fluff, 100%. But it’s another valuable place that could be used to diversify the move kits of creatures to avoid redundancies

[blissful perch]

One tap kills are excellent if, again, they’re properly designed to offer vulnerability as a drawback

[untold ingot]

If the only difference between one Dino and another is a cinematic kill they are completely redundant lol

[blissful perch]

See: any shotgun or sniper in a COD game

[blissful perch]

If one of them has a one shot cinematic move and the other does not, they can be more similar while possibly occupying different niches

[untold ingot]

I mean, there is a reason those get nerfed into the ground in warzone.

[tropic crag]

I'm not even talking about one hit kills, I just want executions 😅

[blissful perch]

Because sub machine gun gang is a bunch of crying babies 😂

[untold ingot]

Takedown animations take a long time to code, and typically the games that have them use them as a draw to buy a battle pass. Imo it's a net negative

[blissful perch]

Those are fine but even more fluff unless it’s from 50% or less hp or something. And that’s REALLY hard to justify in multiplayer unless you can visually identify remaining hp

[blissful perch]

Meme.exe. Takedown animations are insanely common in SP games

[untold ingot]

Ark2 isn't an sp game

[tropic crag]

I also wouldn't mind a revive feature, so maybe tie it to that?

[blissful perch]

No, but it’s a meme to say they’re infeasible or that their purpose is to get battle pass sales

[tropic crag]

That's how it is in most games with finishers

[untold ingot]

Well I have yet to see a multi-player game that had takedowns thst weren't in a battle pass

[blissful perch]

And again; see primal carnage

[untold ingot]

Maybe I just don't know games

[blissful perch]

You did say you’re new to the scene

[untold ingot]

Fairly new yes

[blissful perch]

MANY older games had one tap kills and takedowns of various kinds

[ripe cedar]

Primal carnage is a completely different genre to ark, it has dinosaurs but thats about it

[blissful perch]

He asked for a PvP game with the feature and I provided

[thick moat]

i think jesse said he'll never add microtransactions or all those things

(other than those weird bionic skins)

[untold ingot]

Did those games have the same risk to gear that ark does?

[blissful perch]

Since pretty much NO other game is a mirror match of ark except MAYBE rust/conan, it’s unwise to limit comparison to only those two games for every possible feature

[ripe cedar]

The bionic skins are only payed on console so pretty sure that was microsoft being microsoft

[thick moat]

and sony

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 may have lower risk 🤷‍♂️. We don’t know

[untold ingot]

I highly doubt that

[blissful perch]

I sure hope we don’t need to spend hours/days/weeks to farm up kits

[ripe cedar]

Then join a server with higher rates

[blissful perch]

The hawk being added indicates wc is looking into ways to protect loot on death

I’m just saying it’s possible change is on the horizon to make death less of a loss

[untold ingot]

The hawk that got shouted into a nerf because every pvp player didn't like it?

[thick moat]

it's not that they didnt like it, it was just broken

[blissful perch]

People moan and complain about third person only here too. I don’t think WC will bend so readily on ark 2

[ripe cedar]

Everyone hated it because it makes fights between tribes go on for way too long, also this is ark 1 very late so they will be more likely to not care about balance as much also they nerfed it to a cooldown, if it is easier to sneak with camo or whatever recover loot from pve might not be as big of an issue

[untold ingot]

A keep inventory in ark2 would be equally broken

[thick moat]

you could just black weight have someone kill you and then spawn wherever you want

that didn't make sense

[thick moat]

y that too

[untold ingot]

Third person 9nly isn't as much of a game breaking thing as a keep inventory in a game where the only point in pvp is to get said inventory

[blissful perch]

You’re constraining yourself to ark 1 logic again. It’s only broken if the game is designed identically to ark 1

It’s bizarre to say something is broken before seeing how it plays

[untold ingot]

So give me more logic that would work then

[ripe cedar]

I dont see in any way how keep inventory is not broken when the main reason for pvp is to take other peoples loot, its not like a battle royale where surviving a certain amount of time makes you the winner or ffa deathmatch where most kills is the reason

[blissful perch]

You want me to invent a scenario it could work in for a game you know I lack knowledge about? I can do that, but keep in mind I’m not speaking for WC

[untold ingot]

Using ark1 logic for a game that is called ark2 seems pretty reasonable to me

[blissful perch]

The main reason for PvP is to fight and compete against other players, let’s not get confused about the overall game design goal

[thick moat]

They could add some slots where you can store some basic stuff and it's safe

[untold ingot]

I could get with this. Some sort of personal stash could be okay.

[ripe cedar]

So upload like ark 1?

[blissful perch]

I would anticipate this being the system of choice. X number of “safe slots” either armor or equipment and the rest is dropped

[untold ingot]

But definitely not the entire inventory

[thick moat]

and if people don't like it they could limit it to "begginer" zones

[blissful perch]

You’d experience significantly reduced loss if even your armor was protected

[untold ingot]

If you remember, a couple months back I suggested a system like that lol

[thick moat]

and one thing I would love they would get rid of is the annoying pvp cooldown when you die

like 1 minute? come on

[ripe cedar]

It seems like you would just want to play on a server where keepinventory is on so just do that

[thick moat]

just put it to 20-15sec

[untold ingot]

Sorry, but that has to be a thing lok

[blissful perch]

We talked about it yes. Not sure if was you or me who initially suggested it

[thick moat]

it's just so it's more friendly

[thick moat]

yeah but not 1 minute

[untold ingot]

I remember it being me, but I could be wrong

[ripe cedar]

If its more friendly when you cant take people gear then maybe the reason for pvp is getting loot, eh shifter

[blissful perch]

You’re conflating game design choices with shoehorning settings in

[thick moat]

I took the idea from Last Oasis early days

[untold ingot]

Raids take hours, pvp is heavily catered towards a well equipped defender. Yes a minute is not a big deal lol

[ripe cedar]

Why can you not let people choose how they want their server to work? Ark is a sandbox game

[blissful perch]

IS it more friendly? People don’t raid for base locations and base loot?

[thick moat]

i never liked it, it feels too long for me XD

[ripe cedar]

Its multiple factors yes

[blissful perch]

…what. I’m talking about ark 2 game design because features are designed with vanilla gameplay in mind

[ripe cedar]

But loot is a big one

[blissful perch]

I can force whatever settings I want, but it’s at my own risk how that fouls up the game design and mechanics

[untold ingot]

I once played on a server with no pvp cool down, I had almost nothing but I fought off a tribe of 7 with better gear just because I have infinite lives and they didnt

[ripe cedar]

Which is why cooldown exists

[blissful perch]

Yea you do need CD on respawn for PvP

[thick moat]

but all im sayin they reduce it

1 minute is a pain in the ass

[untold ingot]

Its not that bad

[ripe cedar]

10 minutes

[thick moat]

nah it is

at least as a solo i just can't bear it

30 sec would be a good middle ground

[ripe cedar]

So would max be 5 minutes thenv

[untold ingot]

The only issue I would have is keeping lengthening the cool down with each death

[thick moat]

hmmm..

I forgot about that

[untold ingot]

One minute in ark is almost no time at all during a raid

[thick moat]

yh ik, I think im just biased

because I play solo

[untold ingot]

I did that a lot too

[thick moat]

I just can't play with others and coordinate

so if I die it's gg because of cooldown

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it's a risk you take

[thick moat]

yeah not much I can do, but playing as a tribe for me is a pain

[blissful perch]

Fixed 1-2 minute cooldown seems a bit more fair

Waiting 10 minutes unable to see or do anything is just bad

[untold ingot]

Ark has to cater to tribes as well as solos, often that means that necessary things for tribes end up ruining a solos day

[thick moat]

like it should be, imo solos shouldnt be catered at the end of the day

[untold ingot]

In a mega that 10 minutes is needed though lol

[blissful perch]

Solo needs to be playable rather than encouraged

[blissful perch]

Put a CD on the bed itself with X charges. That way it scales negatively with tribe size (I’m aware that’s similar to ark 1)

[untold ingot]

Just imagine being in a solo base, and getting rushed every minute by 40 guys with nothing lol

There would be nothing you could do

[blissful perch]

Well, unless you had infinite ammo turrets like plant X that could hold the fort

[untold ingot]

Plant x are not infinite ammo

[blissful perch]

Do they not fire indefinitely as long as they have fertilizer?

I’ll admit I never used one against a PvP bred soaker

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but that's like saying turrets have infinite ammos as long as they have bullets

[blissful perch]

Fertilizer, unless I missed a major step, is not being consumed per shot

Am I incorrect? Does plant X burn fertilizer to shoot?

[untold ingot]

Plant x can get soaked, and they are significantly easier to stop.

[blissful perch]

Again, is fertilizer used per shot?

[untold ingot]

I am 90% sure they do, because I have soaked them before

[blissful perch]

Apparently it WAS infinite ammo, but has had some value changes over the years

[untold ingot]

The point being, they can be soaked, so respawns cooldwons have to be a thing. And basing it on the number of beds increases the calculations the server has to do by a significant amount

[ripe cedar]

Also plant x doesnt shoot down rocket or grenades

[blissful perch]

I refuse to believe that number of beds with cooldowns will dramatically exceed the number of player respawn cooldowns being calculated

If you FIX player respawn cooldowns, that removes some burden that can be taken by beds

[ripe cedar]

5 minutes per bed but beds are stupid easy to make

[blissful perch]

It could be made to do that in about 2 minutes of code effort if it doesn’t

[blissful perch]

You’re not reading my suggestion

[untold ingot]

Pretty sure it does lol

[ripe cedar]

They try to but plant x doesnt aim very well

[untold ingot]

The calculation based on beds would have to be redone every time a play places or uses a bed, every time they die, and every time they respawn. That is a lot of calculations if they respawn frequently

[untold ingot]

They do, their projectile velocity is just really slow

[blissful perch]

Walk me through how that isn’t mostly redundant to the current system of beds having one respawn before needing a cooldown and each player having a separate scaling cooldown (speaking purely from # calculations)

You’d place a bed -> X charges (calculation over). You use a bed -> X-1 charges. A bed is used twice -> X-2 charges. The calculations seem exceedingly easy and it only stores a few values

[untold ingot]

With each player, it only has to keep track of one player at a time and they are all separate. It has to do one calculation every time someone dies.

[blissful perch]

It has to do multiple: since afaik your death cooldown scales based on #deaths in a period of time correct?

[untold ingot]

Keeping track of respawns based on number of beds takes significantly more calculations. It has to keep track of the number of beds, as well as the number of times each player has died, and it has to do each calculation significantly more times. It basically exponentially would increase the drag on server time by adding several other variables to the equation

[blissful perch]

What?