ark-2

[turbid delta]

If you’re going to have a game showcase why would you just show a bunch of games that look exactly the same

[small pollen]

People are allowed to be a little disappointed. Come on now. It's not nice to insult people just for getting a little too hyped.

[fallow niche]

Make sure to keep this channel actually on topic of ark 2, and move the other game stuff to #general.

[storm yew]

Why the hell was ark 2 on the web page telling us what would be shown

[polar trellis]

go spread salt somewhere else

[plain agate]

^

[orchid apex]

I don't care. don't put something on the ark 2 steam page if you aint gonna do anything ffs

[small pollen]

Technically it was shown

[fallow niche]

It was just upcoming for 2023, they never confirmed it would be anything new.

[elder hamlet]

Yeah like 5 seconds

[mint swan]

it's gonna be the next cyberpunk just watch

[thick moat]

Yeah i see that you dont care xd

[small pollen]

Yeah....

[plain agate]

They said next time ark 2 is brought up they would show gameplay

[storm yew]

I saw vin diesel for half a second im gonna cry

[wanton pike]

The hate 😂 Jesus

[polar trellis]

i like cyberpunk so il take it

[fallow niche]

Yes, the next time they showed anything. Wildcard. Not a gameshow.

[turbid delta]

They did show clips of the trailer we’ve all seen tbf

[small pollen]

Cyberpunk is a great game! 😮

[fallow niche]

Move it to general then

[mint swan]

didn't say it wasn't

[split dove]

🍿

[wanton pike]

Forget about cyberpunk, let’s talk about what this channel is meant for… ARK II

[orchid apex]

I'm just disappointed man, im not even trying to shit on other people, it's not ur fault

[plain agate]

^

[mint swan]

just saying when it released it was unplayable

[turbid delta]

I’m looking forward to the animated series possibly more than the second game

[blissful perch]

It was a mistake imo to expect anything today

[small pollen]

Then Ark 2 will be great! :3

[orchid apex]

biggest mistake i've made in a while ngl

[plain agate]

Same

[split dove]

my daily entertainment was watching the chat and people crying for ark 2 lol

[mint swan]

at launch cyberpunk was unplayable

[blissful perch]

As long as you don’t expect ark 2 in Q 1 2023…that would be a bigger mistake

[mint swan]

this is how ark 2 is gonna be

[orchid apex]

i've learnt my lesson, last time i'm 100% expecting something from fucking wildcard

[oak crystal]

But hey, we got concept ark. So all is not completely garbage.....

[thick moat]

Well... im just saying, this is a lesson to not get hyped the second something unofficial gets shown

[polar trellis]

if be playable u buy ark 2 for all of us

😆

[thick moat]

just check dev's official twitter and base the hype off that

[blissful perch]

Just remember this isn’t a promise broken. WC made no mention of today’s event and seemed to be referring to the event in two weeks (which historically was the one ark 2 was initially announced in)

[orchid apex]

They should've at least gave us some insight or made it more clear not to expect anything today?

they didnt say shit

[fallow niche]

Make sure to keep this channel actually on topic of ark 2, and move the other game stuff to #general.

[plain agate]

Or at least a date when they will talk about it

[blissful perch]

They may have been unaware anything was being shown, or what type of thing was being shown

[past wind]

I’m sorry, It wasn’t my intention to insult you for overhyping. But people should always treat rumors as rumors. Wc themselves never promised any showcase of a new trailer for that event. Makes no sense bashing them for that.

[spiral pollen]

who deleted my comment

[calm scaffold]

Make sure to keep this channel actually on topic of ark 2, and move the other game stuff to #general.

[lament pagoda]

I’m proud to be a part of a community that ruins any live stream chat with a mere mention if the game’s presence

[storm yew]

Even if it was half a second of gameplay I would have been satisfied. I just need to know this isn't another ark reskin like atlas

[orchid apex]

Imo that's poor for a huge dinosaur game company

[polar trellis]

well maybe we got an trailer at game awards like we got first ark 2 trailer at TGA 2020

[orchid apex]

but remember, it is wildcard after all

[plain agate]

Yep

[blissful perch]

You can’t expect someone to monitor every possible event. I hadn’t heard of it until a week ago when the concept art was dropped and suddenly everyone assumed WC meant this small event

[rare heart]

Dinosaur communities are genuinely toxic thats how it is and will always be

Not the worst but theyre up there

[blissful perch]

*Survival PvP communities you mean

[thick moat]

it's a minority though, they are just the loudest

[rare heart]

The isle

[split dove]

ark players can be very delusional and only trust unofficial rumors 💀

[plain agate]

That and a game that’s been hyped up for almost 3 years now

[blissful perch]

You got me, everyone and the devs are toxic on that one

[lone igloo]

Hopefully it’s not another atlas

[plain agate]

Please don’t jinx it💀

[rare heart]

Doubt it

[lone igloo]

XD

[split dove]

Yo Mr White, when are we cooking again?

[lone igloo]

Atlas could have been so good

[thick moat]

it's a new engine can't port ark 1 lol

[small pollen]

Loaded crisis drives me mad when it comes to ark 2

[mint swan]

it's gonna be another atlas

[rare heart]

Nah

[lone igloo]

Loaded crisis has never said anything real

[orchid apex]

I’ll be honest, I would have liked to have not trusted those “rumors”, but the problem is they literally put the show on the ARK 2 steam page, and didnt say jackshit about it? no insight, nothing

[mint swan]

loaded clickbait

[lone igloo]

Facts XD

[past wind]

Who put this ad there?

[blissful perch]

I’m 99% sure that show on the steam page is the one in two weeks

[past wind]

I bet it wasn’t WC

[orchid apex]

Idfk

[thick moat]

how though

[small pollen]

He had ark 2 gameplay reveal as the title of his stream. He clicked on the live stream for pc gamer and saw 'loaded crisis click baiter' went silent and turned the screen off xD

[lone igloo]

Bruh XD

[thick moat]

when u click it shows the 2023 preview

[past wind]

It wasn’t Wc I’m sure

[blissful perch]

Given we saw nothing today and that show is the one that historically dropped ark 2 to us originally, I’d assume that’s the next big event we may see news

[past wind]

Probably steam put it because pc gamer asked

[iron sequoia]

[blissful perch]

So I assume that’s where we may actually see gameplay. I’d give it 60-40 odds we see something

[lone igloo]

Do you know the name of the person who said it because I said it once XD

[thick moat]

oh u mean TGA i thought u meant the banner on ark 2 is referring to TGA or smth

[small pollen]

I didn't notice sorry but bravo if it was you XD

[lone igloo]

I hope it was me XD

[orchid apex]

So in conclusion, this sucks, but at least we might be getting something in two weeks. no hope tho

[small pollen]

Don't do that to yourself

[elfin python]

Was looking forward to this day all week. Such a disappointment.

[orchid apex]

That should be the end of my rant lol

[orchid apex]

It’s to save myself from further disappointment, dw

[past wind]

The show advertised on the Ark 2 Steam page was the one from today. But it was a PC gamer ad, not WCs.

[small pollen]

It will all be good in the end 👍

[past wind]

Don’t create expectations unless they themselves hint something.

[rare heart]

Bold statement

[small pollen]

D:

[orchid apex]

^^@past wind

[iron sequoia]

Again wc said nothing about them being at the pc show so why would there have been anything on ark2

[past wind]

It’s an intelligent move 😂

[past wind]

You should pin a disclaimer everytime a new show is announced 😂

You should pin a disclaimer about TGA

There isn’t even a hint WC will attend TGA

[dull stream]

Meh it was announced too early, there's been very little marketing/hype and people are just tired of waiting for even a small bone to gnaw on. Its the principle not that it wasn't at the TGA.

[fading juniper]

Looks like steam baited us with that banner

[past wind]

I’m also eagerly waiting for new info, don’t get me wrong. But we better set our expectations right.

The lack of communication doesn’t help, that’s also true. If we had anything official to look forward, it would be awesome.

They don’t need to set an specific date, but at least say if we are getting something this month, or the next mont etc.

Just saying “Next time we share” doesn’t help much to set people’s expectations

[fallow niche]

Saying "next time we share" gives them as much time as needed without being held to a date, in case issues come up.

[past wind]

True, but it doesn’t help the anxiety of some people here 😂

[rare heart]

Meaning show it at the last second lol

[tiny seal]

No ark 2 gameplay?

[past wind]

No

[calm scaffold]

I mean people literally won't buy the game if they don't show gameplay off so

They can do them ig LOL

[stray elm]

You'd be surprised.
People will buy anything now a days.

[mint swan]

Was anything shown about ark 2 in the pc gaming show?

[stray elm]

Nope

[round obsidian]

nothing new

[mint swan]

Damn ugh

[ionic meteor]

Yes, but they just reused old clips from old trailers so nothing new

[mint swan]

Thats lame smh

[plain agate]

Yep

[ionic meteor]

I'm legit starting to lose hope at this point, I'm lowering my expectations for the TGA so I don't get disappointed yet again 😕

[iron sequoia]

Lmfao

[mint swan]

I will still have hope for it

[golden dagger]

I guess at this point we just wait for the release of the game and not even worry about any news or videos

[past wind]

That’s a clever move 👍

Unless they hint something before the show, don’t expect anything

[blissful perch]

Good move

[golden dagger]

well this time it was the game show that posted something on their page.

[blissful perch]

The goal is to always aim low and be surprised when it comes to this sort of thing. Studios have no obligation to showcase everything before release

[past wind]

By “they” I mean WC themselves

[golden dagger]

yeah i know

[split dove]

yet people delusionaly expect them to

[blissful perch]

Gamers are often delusional and expect too much imo. When companies like EA are around I understand hating devs at times, but some folks have insane expectations

[ionic meteor]

But real talk though, i really appreciate what they do and i know they're working so hard to bring us this massive game, we have to be patient and appreciate the devs for their dedication.

[split dove]

Ark players: what's a steam page? that's no info we need a gameplay trailer 2 years in advance, i won't play it (they will play bc of the Ark addiction)

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ same folks who want ark 2 to be radically different and also identical to ark 1

[split dove]

it's either a carbon copy like cod or it's radicly different, no possible inbetween

[blissful perch]

In fairness, ark 2 WILL be radically different from ark 1 in many ways

[split dove]

those same folks that hate it will likely play it with us bc they don't want to miss out lol

[past wind]

I hope for that

[split dove]

i mean they did say in the founders section that ark 2 is what they wanted ark 1 to originally be

[blissful perch]

It’s fine to be wrong, but being insanely disrespectful or downright hostile to WC for it is where I get irritated

[past wind]

I know. I’m just saying I hope Ark 2 is big leap forward from Ark 1. I don’t want Ark 1 running on UE5.

[split dove]

oh yeah for sure, but the ark community takes the hostilities too far, at the end of the day Wildcard isn't EA or any other AAA studio, just a smaller not really indie anymore studio that wants to bring AAA quality to indie games

[blissful perch]

They’re also people lmfao. With a history of being over ambitious at times, sure, but having never gone out and deceived or stolen from their playerbase

[rare heart]

Is loaded crysis being silly again

[split dove]

you already know those people wanting ark 1 copied into unreal 5 will cry it won't have major new content

[split dove]

always has been

[rare heart]

Idk booted up youtube “gameplay is tomorrow”

[blissful perch]

Any video he posts is bait

[split dove]

why of all videos would you believe him lol, even official info gets turned into the dumbest videos

[mint swan]

Still like his content though even if they’re a little click baity

[blissful perch]

You’re entitled to enjoy, but keep in mind amy mention of news is likely false

[mint swan]

Yeah im aware of that

[rare heart]

I never said i believed it xd

ive been here forever im not dumb

[past wind]

You like because it gives you false hopes 😂

[iron sequoia]

Again wc said nothing about them being at the pc show so why would there have been anything on ark2

[past wind]

But then you get disappointed

[mint swan]

Lol, i just watch it cause i have nothing else to watch

But also yeah false hope

[frank meteor]

Will wildcard be at the game award show in December then?

[iron sequoia]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frank meteor]

Will that be "officially" be announced once it gets closer? 👀

[split dove]

only time will tell, as far as i remember wildcard didn't announce they would be attending the game awards in 2020 but we got Ark 2 and The animated series announced back then

[tropic crag]

High schooler moment

[iron sequoia]

Idk lol
I’m just a volunteer I speculate and theorise like everyone else

[lavish rain]

[winged dome]

Imagine being unironically angry when new information isn't released when it was never guaranteed to begin with 😂

Y'all too much sometimes

[stray elm]

I was expecting nothing, and got nothing.
I am not mad, nor happy.
I am what I am.

[iron sequoia]

Im happy I get to bask in the sadness of those that hyped it up

[stray elm]

True.
Like Raas.

[past wind]

If they don’t hint anything, don’t expect they will attend. If they do attend, you will be positively surprised.

[stray elm]

Raas was so hyped that he promised he'd dye his hair green if he's wrong

Looks like we're getting Greenclark on the Game-Awards

[iron sequoia]

Lol

[ripe cedar]

they did though....

[past wind]

They didn’t… at least I didn’t see the announcement

But still, unless they announce it, no one should expect them to attend

[frank meteor]

I figured the ark 2 banner on the list of games they would be showing was enough of a hint lol

[past wind]

There’s no banner

They just put their AD on the pages of some games on steam

Wildcard never said they would attend or send anything new on that showcase

[frank meteor]

Yeah but it was mixed into the pc gaming show info

[stray elm]

Sounds like a skill issue

[past wind]

Also, Wildcard wasn’t on their list of sponsors

[past wind]

But this showcase isn’t about showing new exclusive gameplays

They show a lot of old stuff 😂

And a few new stuff

There were like 50 games listed there

[frank meteor]

Yeah I seen that when I seen 5 second of a 2 year old trailer to ark 2 🤣

[past wind]

And that’s fine, the real issue is people blaming WC for something they didn’t do 😂

[iron sequoia]

They did
It was either during 2020 extra life or somewhere else

[past wind]

I stand corrected then 😂

[fair sun]

Cedric also kept pointing at it throughout the week

[past wind]

One more reason to wait them announcing something

[fair sun]

So while they didn't say what they were announcing, they did give indication to watch it

[iron sequoia]

Yes if they have something to show they will announce when and where

[past wind]

So we better wait an official announcement or at least them hinting something

[past wind]

Now I’m thinking… they’ve attended 2018 TGA and 2020 TGA… every 2 years. It totally means they will attend 2022 TGA

J/k 😂

[fair sun]

https://tenor.com/view/you-see-it-is-part-plan-explain-gif-20448886

[safe mural]

Guys, didn't you find that a little weird? On the PC gaming show they posted a 10 second clip of something on repeat. It doesn't make sense, I think they are trying to deceive us to have a surprise maybe in a few days, that out of nowhere they released an ark 2 gameplay

[past wind]

In between the frames, they’ve put the release date

[oak crystal]

gotta enhance...

[safe mural]

Maybe they made us excited on purpose, for us to be disappointed, AND BOOM, release ark 2 gameplay

[stray elm]

A good old 'switch-a-roo' moment

[safe mural]

I swore there was going to be a gameplay today bro.

bizarre]

If they don't reveal some gameplay at the game awards, I don't know where else they revealed it

[stray elm]

Next years Summer-Game Fest

[safe mural]

but it will be there in June, won't it?

[stray elm]

Yeeep

[desert swallow]

Locked in a time capsule to be open in the year 2322

[tropic crag]

A lot of clowns in chat today, it seems...

[desert swallow]

What is comedy but a reflection of reality.

[chilly vapor]

Next years extra life

[sonic elbow]

💀💀💀

ARK 2 news at TGA at this point, I assume.

If not, then it'll be the next big event. Then the next big event. Then...

[desert swallow]

the time capsule in 2322?

[sonic elbow]

Nonono, no, no.

Then WC gets a time machine, right?

They keep looping the lack of news over and over

Until we all go insane, yeah?

Then they gaslight us into believing ARK 2 was never announced

[desert swallow]

"Vin Diesel was the main character? That's just silly, you can't make this stuff up!"

[split dove]

^ least crazy ark player be like

[sonic elbow]

The cycle has already begunnn

[blissful perch]

As expected

[lime forge]

So no gameplay huh lol

[lavish rain]

Nope

[lime forge]

Sad paddy

[ruby isle]

i think we will not see gameplay in TGA too

[stable bronze]

Devs could redeem some awesome points if they give an announcement to gameplay this month since they didn't wanna say anything this round

[tropic crag]

Or they could redeem some awesome points by doing nothing and announcing things when they're good and ready 😊

[stable bronze]

That's something a douche would say

[tropic crag]

Well that's not very nice

Would you rather they were one of the companies that forces their employees to work crunch hours just to please the unappreciative playerbase? I sure wouldn't

[stable bronze]

Has no one ever worked overtime before?

[tropic crag]

Un-incentive pay crunch hours are not the same, whatsoever

You clearly have no idea what crunch has done to the gaming industry at all

[stable bronze]

There's no way anyone will work for free. It's illegal I would believe in every state

[tropic crag]

You would believe wrong, but I didn't say that either, I said non-incentive pay (i.e. normal pay for overtime, rushed, sometimes lowered pay even work)

[rare pier]

Imagine being forced to work OT because your employer wants their products released earlier than needed and you get nothing in return

WC can take their sweet time with ARK 2

[covert bison]

so kinda like McD's lunch rush????

[tropic crag]

We need more takes like this

Rushed development is killing the gaming industry, big time. Those who refuse to see that are part of the problem, imo

[stray elm]

Tell that to everyone who worked on Cyberpunk

Or literally any coder that works in a big Triple-A studio

[iron sequoia]

EA be like

[untold ingot]

For sure. Studios are more worried about hitting a timed deadline than they are about testing and assuring quality game play

If it takes another year of development for ark2, I'll still be first in line for it, because I know they are working hard on it, and it's not justifiable to me that the devs miss time with their families just to get a game out in time. Overtime development on games should be a rarity, not the baseline

[stable bronze]

Well hopefully at some point workers unionize in the gaming industry and make a change

[thick moat]

is this chat free of salt?

idk who said people would be angry over something wildcard didnt confirm but u were right ahahah

[south lance]

slippery slope when deadlines are eschewed for quality

[potent hull]

hi all in ark 2 sow no ark 2 at the game show but we my get ark 2 at the game awards for shore ark2 was seen there last year sow it my be seen there a again

[south lance]

at least depending on the dev team ig

hopefully we see some ark2 stuff soon

a screenshot, a clip of gameplay, anything

really just gameplay is what we all want

half this channel would climax if we saw the inventory screen or smthn

[safe mural]

I think they announced it at the Game Awards yes they are seeing how excited we are to see some gameplay it would even be disrespectful of them not to show any gameplay

Especially because Game Awards is huge, so it's their chance to show us

[tropic crag]

It's not disrespectful to not show a game that isn't ready to be shown yet, lmao

Showing it at the Game Awards is a good idea, though, as they'll get a lot more exposure that way, I'd think

[safe mural]

Disrespectful was a way of saying it, because we've been waiting for gameplay for a long time, and they know that, so they could show it soon, right?

And before they say that it shouldn't be ready yet, I think it's difficult for a game to be released next year, it doesn't have a gameplay base yet

[safe mural]

Yes, and it's a chance to spread the word even more

[past wind]

Also, I don’t think it’s free. They need to invest on marketing when they feel it worths to show.

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure, it more than likely costs something to show it there, no doubt

[untold ingot]

I mean, I would love to see gameplay tomorrow, but if they arent ready to make it yet, then that is fine

[ember oracle]

I highly doubt ark 2 will be out in 2023. I do wish if they are going to delay if they would tell us soon . Even if they delay it from spring to fall

[tropic crag]

It's not even 2023 yet bro

Chill

[past wind]

I hope if they are planning to delay Ark 3, they tell us before TGA

[untold ingot]

Well, it isn't announced to come out in spring, so if they delay until fall, it's not any more delay than they already havr

[blissful perch]

The standard for gaming has not always been to show gameplay before release. That’s a luxury we impose on the development industry for any sort of anticipated launch

It comes at a grave cost: you create fixed expectations for your playerbase ahead of release when it’s quite possible not everything is locked down yet

[ember oracle]

@untold ingot think Microsoft announced it to come out then

Could be wrong tho

[untold ingot]

Well Microsoft like delays too, they are a big money grab scheme lol 😅

[blissful perch]

Microsoft makes a product lmfao I wouldn’t call it any more money grabbing than any other profit seeking entity

[mint swan]

So can someone please tell me why they made it Xbox and pc only and not for the PlayStation is it some deal they had orrrr

A game like ark can’t really go exclusive like some other games can

[past wind]

Two reasons, Microsoft paid for the console launch exclusivity and Sony is restrictive with early-access titles

[mint swan]

Well I don’t think I’m gonna get a pc or Xbox just to play ark I don’t expect sales to be as high as the first game I know I’m not the only one thinking it

[past wind]

Ok

[untold ingot]

Ark1 was also Xbox exclusive at launch

[mint swan]

Reallt I didn’t know that I didn’t buy it at launch tho however it seems the deal that were made if it goes to PlayStation it wouldn’t be for at least a year

[past wind]

People are a little shortsighted sometimes 😂

It was a year or two before it was available on xbox console and another year to get to ps

[untold ingot]

Yeah that was the same thing that happened for ark1

[past wind]

And WC was fine

[ember oracle]

Early access too

[mint swan]

I still think it was an overall bad idea to do it again

Especially with the way gaming is going people want cross platform play more then ever

[past wind]

You should complain to Sony then

They need to change their early-access policy

[mint swan]

I’m not really complaining just making conversation

[past wind]

And I’m trying to explain to you why WC isn’t releasing for PS at the same time of the other platforms

[mint swan]

Im commenting on the part where you said I should complain to Sony then

[past wind]

I’ve said that because of that part 👆😂

[mint swan]

That still wasn’t me complaining about anything that was me saying I don’t think I’ll buy another system for it and I don’t think sales will be as high as the first one

[past wind]

But you said that saying it was a bad decision on WCs side

It wasn’t really up to them

[mint swan]

It is that’s still not me complaining

[past wind]

They got money + they were unable to release for PS now

[mint swan]

That’s still on them they made the deal

[ember oracle]

They prob don’t care if Microsoft is paying the big bucks 😂

[mint swan]

I just don’t think it was a good idea with PlayStation sales beating the Xbox sales and ark survival evolved finding so much success on the PlayStation in the first place giant sadly your right as long as it’s money involved that will do all the talking

[ember oracle]

And it will defintely come to PlayStation eventually

[mint swan]

Yea probably after a year just launch exclusive for Microsoft

[ember oracle]

Ye

[mint swan]

Still curious to see how sales will do with the gaming world we’re in now exclusivity for long periods of time isn’t good anymore

[past wind]

Wc will be fine

[winged dome]

Play it elsewhere, or wait until it comes to PS

[past wind]

Their MS deal for exclusivity and game pass will keep them fine for a while

[past wind]

Gamepass ultimate isn’t too expensive to subscribe, if you have other games in mind to play

And I think it includes the xcloud, you won’t need a pc or console to play

[mint swan]

I will wait

[blissful perch]

PC sales to my knowledge smoked PS sales

And since it’s to my knowledge very low cost to add Microsoft compatibility to an existing PC launch, it makes a lot of sense to leave PS out. Especially if you’re paid to do so. The loss in sales is likely not a big deal in terms of ROI, especially since those PS players are likely gonna pick up the game when it finally comes out for them

[mortal kestrel]

thats rich coming from someone playing on a playstation

[mint swan]

How so

[mint swan]

All the past exclusives from PlayStation always do well it would make since that they used to do it but they don’t really anymore even the god of war came out for pc

[untold ingot]

Let's not have a platform dispute here.

It is an Xbox exclusive at launch, with a possibility to be released on Playstation, probably after a year.

[mortal kestrel]

also you are looking at this the wrong way

who owns the biggest operating system for pc? microsoft

who owns xbox? microsoft

it just makes more sense to side with xbox since its owned by the same company who owns the operating system of your native player base anyways, since you have more opportunities for cross play, or hell even events between the two platforms, because why would microsoft care? they own both anyway

compare this to sony... who is notoriously exclusive with all of their titles, and the stuff they were to do with playstation probably would not come to pc because of this, unlike xbox

there's also the whole sony allowing games in early access for only like a year... and knowing that arkII is launching in early access, combined with arkIs history of early access, you probably get the picture here of why starting on playstation would be suboptimal

[untold ingot]

Anything beyond that is complete speculation, and doesn't relate to ark2, please move it to general

[mortal kestrel]

I did relate it to arkII though

[tropic crag]

TL;DR:
Complain to Sony for not offering the better exclusivity deal, it's their fault

[oblique frost]

So I just watched the PCgames show for some sweet "next time ark 2 is shown it'll be gameplay" action.
It was not gameplay, it was 10 seconds of vins bald head.
PSA: If you've also been baited in, don't waste your time.

[turbid trout]

Read the pin next time @oblique frost

Wasn't ever said there would be anything in there. Only possibility.

[oblique frost]

Happy to mate, do you want to be helpful and tell me where this pin is?

[turbid trout]

Top right corner of the channel

[marble arch]

Exactly.

WC never mentioned it being shown on PC event.

[turbid trout]

All notifications will be in that pin on ark2 stuff

[oblique frost]

cheers, just found it, didn't even know that was a thing in discord channels like this.

[turbid trout]

Gameplay will most likely be released by wildcard only.

[turbid trout]

np if you havent seen the new stuff read the article on ark2

under then pin

Most interesting imo is new sensory dino ai and character personaliztion and pvp

cant wait to see what this new "souls" fighting mechanic will look like. I hope its not ridiculously like one combo or whatever breaks pvp

[marble arch]

Question.

[turbid trout]

Answer.

[marble arch]

How was would dinos suppose to be tamed orignally, by caging them like now due to AI or?

ARK 1.

[lime forge]

What?

[marble arch]

Let me rephrase.

How were dinos suppose to be tamed previously well originally in ARK 1.

Caging like now?

[turbid trout]

I played before cryos and what not and didn't ever trap things with gates or whatever. You just chase and chase and knock it out. Sometimes id build a 4x4 if i had a quetz in like 2016-2017 but taming rates were horrible on official it wasnt worth imo

[marble arch]

I see.

Just wanted to know that.

[turbid trout]

Hopefully theres new cool ways to actually domesticate things. Like we do with wild animals currently IRL. (maybe we shouldn't with some but hey there cute and fun when not violent)

[marble arch]

I am very interested in the new crafting system for ARK 2.

You are able to make your own unique tools?

[elfin pumice]

thats what the steam page says yes

[turbid trout]

Yeah new events world wide and what not. I'm guessing certain events will yield high quality items , equaling higher quality weapons. Completely just what I think I have no clue.

[stray elm]

Forehead did it the ballsy way.
People still used traps back then

[elfin pumice]

i hope it does more than just changing its looks and giving it +2% damage

[marble arch]

How primitive is the game going to be, will there even be any weapons like the longneck rifle?

[stray elm]

Especially on Giga's.
They where more shotty, but people still used to trap giga's, even pre-Extinction.

[elfin pumice]

maybe making it more effective against armored creatures

[stray elm]

We don't know

[turbid trout]

Mismatch different high quality resources for better and better weapons. Hopefully it wont turn into one specific craft is the best but probably will (PVP)

[stray elm]

As of right now, the highest technology we've seen being used was a metal-tipped spear.

[turbid trout]

I started during island and center dlc. I was like 13-14 (19 now) and didnt even think about traps at that time lmao. Just wanted my T-Rex

[elfin pumice]

are there any ship parts on the new planet?

[turbid trout]

Maps and Dinos are unknown

[stray elm]

Same.
But others did use traps beside us.

[elfin pumice]

that can be seen in the cinematic

[turbid trout]

Basically everything is a mystery

[stray elm]

Yep, as seen in the new trailer.

[turbid trout]

Smart lads. We were ballsy for sure chasing down a giga

[stray elm]

There's some debree from the Genesis-ship in the background of the last shot in the newest trailer

[marble arch]

Gonna assume no tek whatsoever?

[elfin pumice]

i guess there will be scrap that can be collected there to make early metal tools

[turbid trout]

HOPEFULLY. i hate tek pvp

[stray elm]

No-tek for at least the base-game.
Future DLC's are another story.

[elfin pumice]

like that one hatchet skin on ark 1

[turbid trout]

tek pvp ruined the game imo

[stray elm]

A: PvP will most likely be hella different then in ARK-1.
B: Tek itself wasn't the issue. It was how shitty it was implemented.

[turbid trout]

Tek was a big part. Not the whole issue but its how you basically can cheese all bases

[stray elm]

If they made Tek actually raidable for mid-tier players, then it wouldn't had been so bad.
Only way to raid a tek base is to also have tek.

[stray elm]

I'm saying Tek as a concept wasn't the issue.
It was the poor balancing, and how godlike unstoppable it was back then that made it a shitty mechanic.

[turbid trout]

Adding pvp tek items imo was bound to bring issues. QOL is fine

[marble arch]

Will the anti cheat we have now stay for ARK 2?

[turbid trout]

hope not

[stray elm]

We don't know.

[turbid trout]

UE5 hopefully will help this game ALOT

[stray elm]

Nah, even that could've been balanced.
Wildcard almost had it down with the shit-ability with the Dinopithicus.
But it fell flat cause it only works on turrets and the suit, not even the weapon said suit-wearer is using.

[marble arch]

Right, when can we expect more information on ARK 2?

[stray elm]

We don't know

[marble arch]

Any upcoming events?

[stray elm]

Game-Awards. But they have yet to confirm if they're showing up there.

[turbid trout]

Honestly Christmas wouldn’t be a bad time for them to do it

[stray elm]

So, just to let you know.
Everything we do know is in the pins.
Anything that isn't in the pins, no one knows.

[turbid trout]

Wonder what the chance is that it actually comes out in 2023

[stray elm]

Tools are only as good as the user is with them.

[turbid trout]

Facts

[marble arch]

Right so information is very limited.

[stray elm]

Well, since it was suppose to come out this year, I'd say it's a higher chance that it'll come out next year. If even in December of next year

[stray elm]

Very, very, vey limited

[turbid trout]

Yeah but a lot of games lately been having delays. Pirate simulator game been pushed back 5 years now. Forget name of it

[marble arch]

I hope maps are bigger.

A server capable of holding 100 players should have quite the size of a map.

[turbid trout]

I hope there is no cave building

[stray elm]

Welcome to living in a world with multiple crisis going on.

[turbid trout]

Yes but this was 2017 for the first delay.

[stray elm]

First delay of what game?

[turbid trout]

Pirate simulator a friend is wating for

[stray elm]

Atlas, Sea of Thieves, a different game?

[marble arch]

But in all honesty, was ARK 2 ever needed or requested for?

[stray elm]

Yes

[turbid trout]

Skull and bones by Ubisoft

[stray elm]

That's why.
It's fucking Ubisoft

[turbid trout]

Ubisoft makes great games tho even tho it gets delayed. Very good story games come out of them.

[stray elm]

That's debatable.

[turbid trout]

If wildcard just releases it and doesn’t care like Ubisoft does it will have just as many problems as ark1

Anyways it’s fine

Just hoping no delay

[stray elm]

All Ubisoft games feel the same anymore.

[turbid trout]

What you guys think of the new building system description

[turbid trout]

Rainbow is only one I play now and it’s worse and worse every update.

[stray elm]

Wasn't the fact that Wildcard didn't care for ARK-1.
It was mostly cause they 'couldn't' at the time.

[turbid trout]

Ark 1 turned into a big money grab

[marble arch]

Mobile yes.

[turbid trout]

DLC after dlc with no fixing of major ass problems

[stray elm]

Welcome to being sued for a dumb reason, and needing to pay it off and being bought out

[marble arch]

Anyone played ARK mobile, quite literally pay to win.

[turbid trout]

Well if I had time to follow for why they got sued I wouldn’t have 5k hours

[stray elm]

I have 9k, and I still bothered to follow them.

[turbid trout]

Lol

What you guys think of the new building system description

Sounds like blueprints u can save and build as a tribe or something

[stray elm]

If it works, it works.
I just don't like how, since it's third-person, detailing a base wont be as rewarding.

[stray elm]

To other players.

[turbid trout]

Only third person is sus for sure

[stray elm]

Kind of like the blueprints in Halo 5's Forge, if you ever played it.

[marble arch]

Wait what.

No first person?

[stray elm]

Steampage

[marble arch]

Unfortunate.

[turbid trout]

You’ve gotten go read that article my man @marble arch

[marble arch]

But why no first person?

[turbid trout]

Idk

[stray elm]

New combat

[marble arch]

I like to switch between them.

[elfin pumice]

doesnt fit the new mechanics

[turbid trout]

New fighting probs

[elfin pumice]

it would just be unplayable with the combat and parkour as they describet it

[stray elm]

The new combat are more 'souls-like'
But Dying-Light 2 has arguably souls-like combat while being 100% in first-person.

[stray elm]

Dying-Light 2

They could've also allowed people to play in first-person if desired, but kicks you into third-person if you equip a weapon.

Which is what exactly Conan does.

[marble arch]

How will scope work.

[stray elm]

Scope?

[marble arch]

If it’s third person.

[split dove]

Do you people still not look at the steam page? I'm sure they tried it with first person, but the new mechanics probably only work in third person

[marble arch]

Zooming in with like a fabricated sniper rifle.

[stray elm]

If they don't have guns, that wont be an issue

[marble arch]

No guns?

Right.

[stray elm]

Not that we know

[stray elm]

Again, Dying-Light 2 and Conan does literally everything they've described with at least slight First-Person.

[elfin pumice]

there could be a 1st person out of combat or parkour

i still dont like building in 3rd

[stray elm]

Right, akin to Conan

[elfin pumice]

Idk never played it

[wind finch]

Yet Conan exiles got no fancy movement abilities, and you Can only use 1st person while not in combat. The feeling is Bad and it's not really a miss not to have a first person if it's bad

[elfin pumice]

But building doesnt require crazy moves

I find it easier to build in 1st

[stray elm]

This is fair. But this is also why I brought up Dying-Light 2.
It has everything ARK-2's parkour is talking about, if not more with grappling hooks.
And it's all done in first-person.

[tropic crag]

And it's perfectly nauseating for some people to play 😅

[stray elm]

That's the keyword, 'some' people.
Not everything is for everyone, even with video-games.
A lot of people have Hemophobia, and a lot of games have excessive amounts of blood.

Third-Person is what it is now, since it's already the thing they're going for.

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, just saying that maybe third was the way to go, since it already meshed so well with the rest of the mechanics they were going for, and limiting the amount of people feeling nauseous playing their game was a cool byproduct

[stray elm]

Oh defiantly, and I can see the 'why' they went with Third.
But personally, if it was my choice. I'd rather it had went for the Dying-Light 2 'all first-person' approach instead.
Since I, and it seems like many others would've preferred it to be first-person only versus third-person.

[tropic crag]

And that's a perfectly valid opinion on the matter

[stray elm]

It is nice that we respect each others views.

[tropic crag]

Anywho, I've claimed my OW2 twitch drop for the evening, now I bid thee adieu. Gn feller 🫡

[stray elm]

Goodnight Commander. 🫡

[wind finch]

In the end maybe that Parkour + combat made them make only 3rd person

[stray elm]

That's most likely why they did.

[wind finch]

I mean, doing a roll in 1st person is kinda weird

[stray elm]

Eh, not that much if you've played the Dying-Light games.

[wind finch]

Because yeah, Parkour in 1st person is okay

But combat in dying light is not the same as a dark soul one

[stray elm]

A bit sickening at first, but some get used to it.

[stray elm]

Dying-Light 2 has pretty souls-like combat

[wind finch]

More like a dead island one

Haven't played dying light 2 yet 😄

[stray elm]

It has all of the basics.
Lock-on, dodging in a certain direction while locked-on, heavy and light attack combos, etc.

[wind finch]

Oh yeah

Interesting

They definitely could do this in 1st person, we speak of dying light but mirror's edge was also first person

[stray elm]

Maybe if someone makes a good enough first-person mod for ARK-2, they'll integrate it into the official game.

[stray elm]

Yeeep

[wind finch]

Yeah, after all they said that it will be available with mods if people want it

[stray elm]

There's a lot more parkour games in first-person then third.

[stray elm]

Well, that's if someone makes one.

If my pc can handle the dev-kit, I'm making a lazy first-person mod day-one.
As in "I'm just gonna shove the fucking camera in the head"

[prisma pike]

It's multiplayer...

That was a fast delete lol

[blissful perch]

Once it connected that I thought it was the last of us 2 this whole time the msg had to go

[prisma pike]

Bruh 😂

[blissful perch]

Shows how little I give a shit about either game

😂

[prisma pike]

Dying light deserves better than that bro 😭

[unborn galleon]

😂😂😂😂here am reading old messages about the saltiness from yesterday. WC not showing gameplay

Am into yesterday messages Xd

[lime forge]

Ark 2 when?

[midnight ivy]

2026

[oak crystal]

I look forward to seeing new concept art and simulated gameplay in mid 2023. Should be good times.

[oblique frost]

After Bloodlines 2

[prisma pike]

Name a game with good 3rd person building

[blissful perch]

Ark (orbital cam) 🧠

[untold totem]

I can do better

ARK with hide riders cheat on

[past wind]

The sims

Also, building in first person isn’t good actually. Having a building vision without the character appearing on the screen would be better than 3rd person and way better than 1st person view.

Sure, that’s why WC has to balance things. But users will always complain.

Like someone the other day asking for a terraforming tool, FOR ARK. 😂

[split dove]

knowing the ark community that ain't a good idea, you already know it would be abused

[past wind]

I know, but I think the complainers don’t 😂

I’ve been saying here for a while, they’ve taken out first person for a reason, and we won’t know 100% why

[split dove]

did you see that message in lore nerdz? i wouldn't pay 300 with all dlcs for a ark 1 in unreal 5 with some bug fixes and some minor content, better to get ark 2 so it's not the same game again so we don't have a new Cod situation

[past wind]

Making more flat land would be better than a tool available to the users 😂

[past wind]

I want a new game, not a remaster. That’s all I can say.

But to be clear, the guy was asking that tool to build caves himself 😂

Like no man’s sky, I guess

[split dove]

being raided? make your entrance into a crouch spot

[ripe cedar]

Or remove the entrance

[prisma pike]

That's top down lol

Oops wrong message lol

[prisma pike]

^^

[past wind]

Fine, it’s top down, you are right. But first person view isn’t ideal on Ark 1. I have to use the 3 visions (orbital view is essential) to build on ark 1.

[prisma pike]

Um, no it ain't

Maybe on a dedi when you don't want ur shit sticking through a wall

[past wind]

I think I will miss first person more on pvp than building

[lime forge]

I’ve never had to build with 3rd or orbital cam.

[ripe cedar]

I’ve never had to build

[lavish rain]

I've never had to play

[lime forge]

I’ve never built other peoples builds aside from traps and turret walls.

[lavish rain]

I carry my tribe pfp

[wintry urchin]

First person is alot better in a small base tbh honest

Or anywhere with a super low ceiling

[prisma pike]

Like what? Lmao

[full nova]

Sad but true probs 2024

[winged dome]

Yeah, base building and interiors are going to be interesting in 3rd person ... especially considering 1-high vanilla walls aren't even tall enough for most player models

But hopefully building overall has a big rework and overhaul. No more crafting individual pieces and placing them, use a 'build hammer' type tool to select and place drawing materials from player's (or nearby storage?) inventory like Conan and Valheim

[bold juniper]

I used to craft foundations for xp in Conan now I can’t

But the hammer is good to build

[flint vector]

I wonder if ark 2 will have bosses

Like, that’s basically end game for ark 1 so if there aren’t bosses I wonder what new end game would be

[turbid trout]

There will be world events @flint vector who knows for bosses. If there is I wonder what will be the reward

[flint vector]

Probably salvaged tek. Like, if they have tek in ark 2 I think it would be ‘salvaged’ and be either run down or incorporated with something else to give it a use

Like, I don’t think we would have pristine tek in ark 2

[turbid trout]

My hope is no tek at all

[flint vector]

I hope we have a little bit of tek

Not to the extent of ark 1 but some bit of it

[turbid trout]

I believe it is a lot more primitve

[flint vector]

Oh yeah absolutely

But if we have tek it could be salvaged tek

[turbid trout]

people eariler were speaking of possibility of no guns but i feel there will be basic ones

[flint vector]

There might be salvaged/repurposed tek used as primitive firearms

[turbid trout]

I like noi tek and no guns with only melee and bows

[ember oracle]

I mean I hope it’s like ark one. We start out prim and as updates and maps come we go tek

[flint vector]

It would make sense for there to at least be a trace of tek

Like, they landed on the planet on a tek ring, filled with tek technology

[turbid trout]

If it is in, then it better not be cheesy af and made correctly and not 10x better than prim

[split dove]

only confirmed part of tek will be that it's in the openworld as background decor, jesse and jeremy described tek in ark 2 to be mysterious, dangerous and to be outside of our understanding iirc

[stray elm]

There's 100% going to be bosses.
Don't know why you thought otherwise.

[flint vector]

But how though… we won’t have tek terminals

[tropic crag]

Only for the pros, don't give them our secrets!!!11!!

[flint vector]

Like, how will they explain the fact that bosses would respawn? They aren’t hooked up to ark/colony ship systems

[stray elm]

Bruh

[turbid trout]

Could be plenty of ways for bosses, finding a door in open world, like Lava golem, Ice Queen etc

[flint vector]

But how would they explain the respawning?

[stray elm]

Tek-Terminals don't at all mean bosses.

[turbid trout]

Supply drops?

[stray elm]

A: they don't need to.
B: They'll figure out a way

[turbid trout]

^

[past wind]

There are other ways to have bosses besides tek… look to the mini bosses like the lavam golem

[flint vector]

I’m just asking because they explain why things respawn in ark 1 (except Rockwell prime I guess and the titans too)

[stray elm]

Making respawning canon was dumb anyway, personally.

[flint vector]

I guess yeah

[past wind]

But, still, some tek will be present on Ark 2. Already confirmed by Jeremy.

[tropic crag]

There's ways it could be prevented from being abused, to be fair

[flint vector]

I think it’ll be salvaged/reclaimed tek

[stray elm]

Yep.
You can farm Rockwell Prime and the Titans, and yet they don't rely on respawning.

[tropic crag]

Or... (hopefully) C: It's a game, they ain't gotta explain shit

[stray elm]

That's what A is you doofus. 🤣

[past wind]

Agreed. That said I think new bosses will just be in special parts of the map (like atlas and the mini bossses from Ark 1).

Not an arena like now

[split dove]

i hope they keep respawning out of the lore, lore wise current santiago clone should be the last one without his pod

[tropic crag]

I guess 🙄

[stray elm]

"they don't need to."
"C: It's a game, they ain't gotta explain shit"
Sounds pretty similar in context.

[flint vector]

I wonder if ark 2 will be just one huuuge open world or if it will have multiple maps

[past wind]

No one knows, besides WC

but we can guess

[flint vector]

I know but it’s fun to speculate

[past wind]

Reading their hints so far on Steam page and wherever, Arat will be massive

[tropic crag]

Really hope it's just maps, the Atlas route would kill a lot of things for me, map-wise

[split dove]

as long there is a island i can dump my friends on and keep the rest for myself idc

[past wind]

Disagree😂 I like atlas system, but I would like something better than that of course

I think Santiago will be an important NPC for the all the game modes, including online pvp and pve

Agreed

Oh sure 👍

Maybe Santiago will be the gatekeeper and guide for the bosses 😂

Called Santiago Ville

[tropic crag]

I'd be fine with a safezone village with NPCs in it that's unbuildable

[past wind]

One of the things from Atlas they should bring to Ark 2. Safe zones with pvp disabled and building also disabled.

[tropic crag]

I mean, people tried blocking obelisks, doesn't mean they shouldn't have them, right?

[past wind]

That’s impossible to do atlas as entire grids are safe zones. They can work on something like that

[past wind]

People tried to block air drops 😂

Don’t you remember the vaults on air drops

[tropic crag]

Yeah

Obelisks were more important was all 😅

[past wind]

I agree with you, but just make in a way it doesn’t worth to bother blocking such areas

At some point people just gave up to block the air drops

Really, on mega tribe servers?

Last time I played (2019) people weren’t doing that anymore

[tropic crag]

Well, in an ideal world, the servers are either few enough in number as to have proper moderation, or there is no official servers, or they're paid for access (also funding moderation) and breaking the rules about building there would revoke said access

[past wind]

If the servers are paid, I’m out

Doesn’t work for me, not even for Ark

I know

[turbid trout]

if its $5 to play id be fine with it tbh

doesnt CSGO have that '

Yes but its still the same concept

[tropic crag]

The way you put it made it seem like there did need to be enforcement on no-build zones, my bad, I guess

[turbid trout]

you break the rules and you get a note on your account that doesnt allow you to play with people who have no warnings at all.

[tropic crag]

A 5 dollar sub to official would weed out plenty of cheaters, too

[bold juniper]

Hacker v hacker

[past wind]

5 a month? The game and its DLCs would be free? I mean, I quit WOW for that reason

[turbid trout]

This is what I mean

[turbid trout]

$5 per account

[bold juniper]

The game is already paid for right Ik Xbox game pass but

[past wind]

Per month?

[tropic crag]

But I know that isn't in the standard official player's MO, lol

[turbid trout]

no just a one time fee

[past wind]

You don’t pay for Ark, you pay for the whole library

[tropic crag]

No, per month

[past wind]

And for live of course

[tropic crag]

Otherwise it wouldn't do shit for funding moderation

[bold juniper]

If people get perms banned then just buying the game should stop cheaters

[past wind]

So that’s not a subscription 😂

[bold juniper]

Because they’re have to rebuy the game

[tropic crag]

Have you played official?

[turbid trout]

Then $5 per acc will pay for a better mod team to punish cheaters. If your caught then you can only play on specific servers

[bold juniper]

Official has always had and will have cheaters

[blissful perch]

I don’t see Santiago as a persistent NPC…I imagine he’d be more like the VA HLNA and rockwell on genesis 2 where on certain missions he’d do scripted actions or MAYBE be an ally AI on some missions

[bold juniper]

Servers also went free this summer

[turbid trout]

Yep

[past wind]

You pay for the game then 5 more to play online? That would be odd

[bold juniper]

Game went free

My bad

[turbid trout]

$5 to play on specific servers IDK how theyd do it it depends on servers

[past wind]

Me too, I Was just daydreaming 😂

[turbid trout]

You pay for specific cluster servers bro. Not pay to play online

[past wind]

One time fee doesn’t pay the costs

[turbid trout]

When cheaters are constantly buying new accounts it would

[past wind]

If you want premium servers, they are already a reality in ark 1, they are called unnofficials

[turbid trout]

also its more than free management

[bold juniper]

Then there wasting money wtf does that do

If they keep paying for new accounts then it’s to bad

It’s about wasting money for them at a rate they can’t compete with

[turbid trout]

All im saying is CS-GO has it. If you break the rules you cant play against people who dont break the rules. Pretty simple concept

[past wind]

Just keep the current model

Meshing is the only real issue I hate the most

[turbid trout]

Have different clusters and people who break the rules cant join the Prime cluster everyone wants to play

[bold juniper]

No just ban them All out

Except for private servers

[turbid trout]

Look at ark 1

[tropic crag]

Clearly, no one here is understanding what I meant, like at all, even though I've talked about it ad nauseam before

[turbid trout]

doesnt work

[blissful perch]

It would work but it would shrink the official playerbase (basic economics)

[tropic crag]

By most people here's logic, you can't compare any games to Ark, not even Rust, apparently

So it's a moot point lmao

[blissful perch]

You’d probably need a single world like ATLAS to encourage folks to stick around and shell out subscription costs

[tropic crag]

I beg to differ

[turbid trout]

These are the most important advantages of Prime status:

Better experience: The main advantage of Prime status is that it improves the quality of the gameplay and gives you a better chance of an ‘even’ match. It makes it more likely that you’ll find friendly players with similar skill levels.
Less cheaters: Starting a match in Prime mode means a better chance of hitting honest players who don’t cheat or use illegal software.
Access to all servers: In addition, players who have decided to buy Prime can join and use all servers managed by the community (including those VAC-secure).
Additional bonuses: Last but not least, there are various bonuses and in-game items (souvenirs, skins and mailboxes) available only to players with a Prime account.

Copied and paste from prime tutorial

[blissful perch]

This only works with 1.) a massive playerbase 2.) a free initial product

[tropic crag]

Think it would work great since all I ever hear from official players is that there's too many cheaters, literally all I hear nowadays from them

[turbid trout]

Well if the playerbase grows it would be a smaller scale but it could work

[blissful perch]

It’s a valid option for sure, but it’s not a no brainer consequence free option as it’s being marketed

[turbid trout]

Also CS GO wasnt always free i believe

[blissful perch]

It has been free for almost a decade I believe?

[turbid trout]

Free since 2018

[blissful perch]

4 years = a decade come on now 😂☠️

Yes, that’s why many developers avoid free

[turbid trout]

If ark is $60 with a $5 "prime" it would do well to stop cheaters

[tropic crag]

Was about to say, so yeah a decade lol

[blissful perch]

I don’t think the 5$ prime is going to do jack. If you paid the 60$, 5$ is just icing

If it’s a subscription however you’ll force a lot of alts and cheaters to reconsider, because those costs stack QUICK

[turbid trout]

Whats your idea

[blissful perch]

And ofc, that monthly/annual money is going straight to paid admins who will purge said cheaters

[tropic crag]

You really haven't, you've just kept saying "it's a terrible idea"

[blissful perch]

It is a terrible idea if you expect a free service to suddenly need to pay for it

But a games as service model is fundamentally flawed. Especially for a game like ark where I can’t imagine official recoups costs if they add tons of paid admins to catch all the cheaters and manage all the tickets

[untold totem]

You can't just simply "stop cheaters" with a simple or an automated solution

Even with your suggestions, there bound to have cheaters with their constantly updated cheating software (that is where the black market money comes from)

The only solution to quell constant cheating is constant patches and active moderation

[turbid trout]

we all have our own opinion on how management should handle the cheaters. Doesnt matter how really. Just needs to happen in this game. Not put out 1400 dlcs that just cause more cheating problems

[tropic crag]

"Paid access would kill the game" isn't an explanation, bud

But ok lmao

[lavish rain]

We shut down the black markets

That's how we stop cheaters

[blissful perch]

It matters a lot “how” since I think the reason it isn’t happening is because WC and the community seem to currently agree that no moderation but no fee is the solution 😂, something I suspect won’t be tolerated as well in ark 2

[turbid trout]

Subscription to say a 10 server cluster (if clusters are a thing) I would pay for to play on a well maintained server. People in pvp ark act like its a job with the amount of hours they put in, $5 a person to make sure my base isnt cheesed? yes please

[untold totem]

Programming is hard AF especially in game dev where you have to go "back and forth" with the patches and try to keep up against the ones who make cheating softwares while getting a mothworth of pay

[turbid trout]

People will always be finding flaws in programming too which sucks

[untold totem]

The thing is... Unofficial exists

And you explain how unofficial works

[tropic crag]

I'm not playing official the first second I get the chance to, whether that be singleplayer or a server cluster, idgaf. I'm jumping ship immediately. I could give a rip about official, tbh

[blissful perch]

visible confusion you play the game knowing you could lose everything, so you’d pay for a known risk. It’s the same as paying a subscription to an MMO and losing your gear in a PvP zone

[turbid trout]

Well you don't pay for unofficial. Alot of admin teams also don't get paid right now on unofficial

[split dove]

🍿

[untold totem]

Because the unofficial admin teams are mostly willing volunteers

I have my first hand experience of being one

The real payment is for the server upkeep and modding

[tropic crag]

I meant paid subscription to all of official, as I stated, not special little clusters or something

[blissful perch]

RuneScape ffs has a PvP zone where if you die your stuff is on the ground and can be stolen, and it costs 6$ a month to play that game

[turbid trout]

I think for all of official would kill the game like berserker said. I believe if you make specific servers pay to play those servers would do really good. Wildcard has never cared for official so why start now.

[tropic crag]

You do pay for unofficial, lol. How else do the servers stay up?

Nothing is free

[turbid trout]

people that play them don't?

[blissful perch]

You’re…paying to use a service regardless of the safety of your possessions. You don’t pay for privileges, you pay to use something that costs the devs extra money to maintain

[turbid trout]

Servers hosts arent the target right now its player base we are speaking of

[untold totem]

The thing is Theme Park MMOs like RuneScape has no freedom to build like a Sandbox like ARK

Gigax(?) can enforce whatever they want to in a controlled manner

[blissful perch]

That’s what a subscription is for: you can host servers way longer if they aren’t a massive money sink (which is what happens over time if everyone pays once for the game)

I hate subscriptions to be clear: truely and completely. But for “endlessly available” servers with paid moderation, the seemingly only solution to ark’s cheating problems, I’m not sure where else the funds can come from

[turbid trout]

Imagine a paid subscription to say ArkPoc

[tropic crag]

Sure they do, you think that the people who pay for the server don't play on it? Some unofficials even have donations open, so you can, in fact, pay to keep them up

Splintering official even further is a bad idea, imo

[turbid trout]

Yeah ive ran a server i know how it works...I'm just saying that we are speaking of paying a monthly/annual towards a better admin team,

[turbid trout]

Splintering ArkPoc for instance aint

[distant skiff]

i hope ark 2 will use UE 5.1 because it has some really nice optimizations on graphics

[tropic crag]

Well, I beg to differ 🤷‍♂️

[turbid trout]

Yeah i mean like i said we all got different thoughts of how management of servers should go

Its just they aren't the best at watching official right now because theres cheaters on too many servers at once and they dont seem to have the manpower to deal with them

[untold totem]

I will laugh every time people hoping ARK 2's salvation is through the game engine

UE 4 is not that bad... It's that they didn't bother futureproof it that made modding a real struggle

IIRC they use a very early version of UE 4

[turbid trout]

So smaller amount of servers to watch = better management. Then they could eventually open more servers if the servers do well

[distant skiff]

nanite and lumen are very big improvements to the engine

[untold totem]

It's more of an enhancer that only the beefiest of PCs can handle

Doesn't matter for the potatoes and laptops

[distant skiff]

tho i dont look forward to a 1 terabyte game

[untold totem]

Expect

[distant skiff]

ark was never a good game for low end pcs

[untold totem]

Like all games that are focused on graphics over gameplay

Valheim proved you don't need a 8k graphics to play

[stray elm]

Valheim also doesn't have hundreds of creatures and players and buildings active at once

[untold totem]

*yet

[stray elm]

And when it does, we'll see how well the performance is.

[distant skiff]

stylized graphics work ofc

i think wows old graphics still hold up

[stray elm]

No

[untold totem]

With all the SHlTpost builds in my friend's server

I think the game can handle it and I was in a laptop at that time

[blissful perch]

Agree completely. The question imo boils down to how to get that manpower, and if they should/must be paid

[stray elm]

Do you also have hundreds of players and creatures active?

[blissful perch]

I think an annual fee of 5$ a year to access the official network would probably help cut costs for WC to get some better admins and would not make every player want to commit war crimes

[stray elm]

It also doesn't help that (last I heard) they have like 20 admins that have to moderate hundreds of servers.

[untold totem]

Does billions of boats count?

[blissful perch]

Do the boats have AI?

[stray elm]

No.

Unless like Shifter said, they're reskinned creatures

[blissful perch]

Tons of entities is a good sign for sure, but it’s when you get an assload of active AI that things get to be mega ooof

[untold totem]

Speaking of AI

I recall they freeze when they are not in anyone's render

Is it true?

[blissful perch]

For ark 1? Yes

[next pelican]

Creatures can exist without an AI

Meks do

[stray elm]

That's still an AI, you dummy

Meks are reskinned creatures that can't follow orders.

[blissful perch]

A Mek has no ai bootleg

[untold totem]

Technically they have idle animations

[blissful perch]

It’s an entity

[next pelican]

Mek follows 0 algorithms except idle

[stray elm]

It has no pathfinding.

[blissful perch]

An entity can have an idle animation

[next pelican]

Its hardly.. Intellgent...

[blissful perch]

An AI simply means that the entity does autonomous dynamic actions beyond static animations

[untold totem]

There is no wild Mek tho

[next pelican]

You can spawn one in

[untold totem]

Yes but it acted the same as a normal Mek without a pilot

[blissful perch]

Pathfinding is but a piece of AI

[next pelican]

So what youre saying is it has no autonomy?

[untold totem]

Yep

[next pelican]

So it doesnt have an AI

[blissful perch]

An idle mek has no stimulus response activity or any other dynamic response no AI

[untold totem]

Unless you are talking about the Gen 2 mission one that rode a stryder

[next pelican]

No no thats its own creature

[stray elm]

I stand corrected, I did look it up and you're right Shifter.
If it doesn't do anything but and idle animation, it's just a animated mesh.

[blissful perch]

The goal is always to learn. I’m glad you learned a little 🙂

[untold totem]

Actually they are 2 creatures with a special program that is hard to replicate in admin mode

[next pelican]

Ye the Knight is one creature and the stryder is another, like you said

[blissful perch]

AI is more complex than a basic entity because it has to check for things to act upon. That’s why 100 sitting boats is way less intense than (in a poorly optimized game) 20 simulated animals

[next pelican]

Subroutines

They run subroutines, subroutines use resources, 20 animals means 20XBasic animal suborutines, plus whatever else they have going on

Hence, alot of resources are used

Thats my argument for why we should genocide brontos

[blissful perch]

It scales rapidly based on the optimization of the AI, something I learned recently

[untold totem]

Why this make me think "disable ally looking" should be standard and all of the tames be in idle mode until they change something

Like for breeding or auto harvest

[next pelican]

Well of course, the more things going on, the more of the things doing those things.... Theres an algorithm to calculate it but I dont remember what it is

[blissful perch]

Ally looking is weird because it’s basically a massive trigger that applies when you get near your base. It’s very goofy 😂

[next pelican]

On to the power of something

[blissful perch]

I thought it scaled linearly, so I was surprised lol, I’m glad to hear the academics agree with my anecdotal experience

[untold totem]

Do be admit, it is kinda immersive unless they looked at you through the wall because of their stupid hitbox

[next pelican]

Honestly the fact that it works at all impresses me

Sure its not the most efficient, but these animals arent stupid, they do stuff, act ways, they all feel unique to a degree, and the fact that that can run on a shitty 1st gen xbox one is.. Well it doesnt feel real

[blissful perch]

I think you should be able to flip creatures between “field” and “base” mode, where in “base” mode ai is massively simplified to improve performance

[blissful perch]

Render helps, as does optimization. That, and it’s incredible what WC has achieved

[next pelican]

By the same merit im also perpetually impreessed that the game litterally cannot render a gps when you need it to

[tropic crag]

True and real

[lapis sail]

Any date for release yet?

[past wind]

2023

[cyan acorn]

Ark 2 should've been about healing Earth in some way. would've been better story line

[past wind]

Who said it won't? 🤔

We will initially be on Arat, but who knows where we will be some DLCs later?

[cyan acorn]

I guess possible if they go that route . We'll see I guess

[past wind]

you have to understand we were already on a spaceship (Genesis), it wasn't really a choice to land on Arat

but where the lore will lead us on some years, I'm not sure

[ripe cedar]

isn't that the entire point of the ark 1 story already though

[tropic crag]

Earth is already healed, that's what Ark 1 was about 😅

[agile arch]

Ark 2 should be about fast and furious

Dinosaur burnout and drag racing in general

or chronicles of white bald men or something

[stray elm]

We've already healed Earth

[oak crystal]

Dinosaurs but out in space, where you need to hookup a dinosaur, say an anky, in the spaceship. Then you can go out and farm asteroids using the anky’s intelligence of how to break the rocks.

[agile arch]

Dinosaurs but cars and out on the roads, where you need to hookup a muscle car, say a dodge, in your garage. Then you can go out and do drag racing using the Vin Diesel's intelligence of how to break the rocks.

[ashen relic]

speaking of the mek are they ever gonna smoothen the animations for it like the swing animation

[tropic crag]

This channel is for Ark 2

I highly doubt meks will be in Ark 2

[agile arch]

I hope TEK wont make it to ARK 2

TEK tier is the worst thing happened to ARK

imagine modding ARK 😂

[tropic crag]

Tek is great, the balancing of it in Ark 1 was dogshit though

[stray elm]

A lot of people can imagine, yes.

[agile arch]

imagine liking TEK 😂

[stray elm]

Tek itself is great, like Bruce said.
But it was the poor balancing and implementation that ruined Tek for everyone.

[tropic crag]

Imagine talking about tek in a channel about a game confirmed not to have it 🤡

[agile arch]

well yeah, that's what I mean

[stray elm]

I'd love if Tek came back.
But I can see why people don't want it back.
I do hope though if it does come back in later DLC's, it'll actually be balanced for mid-game players to take on.

[tropic crag]

And yet, here you are... 🤔

Talking about tek

[stray elm]

Admins can help with that.

[agile arch]

I hope TEK would only be an optional total conversion like primitive+

and then stop being supported

[stray elm]

Ouch

[tropic crag]

Y'all are both clowns

[stray elm]

Or have it as the end-game tier like it was. But mid-game players can actually fight against people with tek.

[agile arch]

Or just don't add TEK to ARK 2

[stray elm]

Or have Tek only as endgame QoL

[tropic crag]

Tek isn't in Ark 2. How hard is that to process? Take it to another fucking channel

[agile arch]

[tropic crag]

Trying to tell you not to keep talking about tek, LMAO

Fucking grade A clown

[ashen relic]

agreed

as soon as wildcard adds anything new to the game it will break the game

shadowmanes, noglins, stryders, hawks, bats, pigs, void wyverns, dolphins

all of gen 1 and gen 2

[thick moat]

don't forget extinction

to a lower extent for sure though

nvm no all dinos were broken

[ashen relic]

ohh yeah don't get me started on the mana breath when ext first came out

full damage at any range

[stone cedar]

I hope tek isn’t in the game

[ashen relic]

game is gonna be boring without some sort of tek

[stone cedar]

Should make tek a separate gamemode. Like primitive plus

Nah, tek makes the game boring

[ashen relic]

waste of time making serperate game mode

[stone cedar]

Early game pvp is so much better

That’s fair^ just no tek in my opinion. Let someone make a mod for it

[ashen relic]

yeah

early game be fun though

but we gonna need some sort of reward for the grind

[stone cedar]

Early game is the best part of ark. It’s why everyone is contastly coming back and then burning out when they get tek/fight against tek.

Agreed

[ashen relic]

yeah

since the main goal of early game is to get tek asap

[thick moat]

nah, tek is good, it adds depth to the gameplay the problem is the powercreep extinction and genesis 1 and 2 did, getting element is so easy now compared to when abb came out or the days where u could only get them with bosses + add to the fact the game was grindier those days so progression slowed down and made it more rare

Though if they re add tek again in some minor form I hope there's a counter to it when u are not in that phase,the dinopithecus for example, they could of added more of those and made it bearable

[stray elm]

Yeah, tek would've been fine if there was more mid-game counters

The only way to fight tek is with tek.
And Genesis just made tek even more common, so everyone can get tek.
Which solved the problem, sure. But A: That's behind a paywall B: It kind of makes everything before tek useless if you rush for tek.

[thick moat]

Extinction is the one who started it

the ele veins were too much

[stray elm]

It did, but getting the actual tekgrams was still hard since you had to kill the Titans

[thick moat]

yeah that's true

ark 1 actually is pay 2 win now that you said it

hoping that doesn't happen on ark 2

[stray elm]

It's not pay-2-win.
It's pay-4-advantage.
You can get tek on every map, but others are faster and easier to get.

[thick moat]

yeah it's a more accurate term but eh

[winged dome]

Titans were way easier than Alpha bosses - particularly Alpha Dragon on the Island

You could kill them with tamed Gigas

[potent hull]

all i want for the halidays is ark 2 game play

[iron sequoia]

Dam lots of pray

[mint swan]

Its for the halidays

[velvet leaf]

ark 1 will die when ark 2 comes

[ember oracle]

If it’s good yea

[mint swan]

Obviously

[ruby isle]

i am wondering if we didnt see ark 2 gameplay at TGA how can we stay alive after this?

[split dove]

it was the pc gaming show, game awards is on december 8th, the game awards also has a lote more people watching it compared to pc gaming show, and they will show gameplay when they decide it's time. and for the question ''how can we stay alive after this'' you already survived almost 2 years, and we got the steam page 5 months ago so be patient a little longer

[dawn surge]

niker vos reum

[next pelican]

Ark 2 idea: be able to have 2 shoulder pets at once cuz you have 2 shoulders

[south lance]

i have like .25 sqm of back

gimme a creature for every bit of back

[stray elm]

Actually, I do like this idea.

[next pelican]

Idk

I saw a glowtail but I cant put it on my shoulder cuz I have a hawk

An it annoys me

I want both ;-;

[tropic crag]

I want more creatures like the lamprey, that are parasitic in nature and give you both a buff and debuff and are useful for specific contexts

[stray elm]

Differing sizes and the use of said pet.
If it's a shoulder-pet like the one guy from Lost-Island that acts as a glider, then that's when it'd be a 'one pet at a time'
But if they're either useless, or if two shoulder pets abilities work together well, then that's when it should be allowed to go on both.

[next pelican]

Ark 2 idea: Remove one of the players shoulders so you can only have one pet on at a time

[stray elm]

Give us alien slime-molds

Maybe that can be the ARK-2's version of Shale.
A tame that wraps around your house as organic armor.

[south lance]

make sure it glows

alien living armor would be based

symbiote thing

[past wind]

NO, this isn't The Sims: Pets

[stray elm]

YEAH!!
That's be badass for a alien slime-mold.

[south lance]

if you dont take care of it itll eat you

[next pelican]

90% of this game is hanging out with your pets dude

[south lance]

it should give you invisibility

[past wind]

I was joking 😂

[south lance]

but like for 5 seconds

[winged dome]

Ark1 was, Ark2 gonna be 90% hanging out with Vin Diesel

[next pelican]

Vin diesel is my pet

[past wind]

but 2 shoulder pets I think it's too much

[stray elm]

If the breeding isn't a fucking chore in ARK-2, that could be a system.
Wild slime-molds will consume you over time if you have it on.
But you have more damage resistance to domesticated/bred slime-molds, so they don't damage you as often.
This ability possibly stacks, and so after a X-amount of generations, it wont attack you anymore.

[next pelican]

Dont call them a pest ;-;

[south lance]

the longer you have a slimemold the tougher it gets

[past wind]

imagine people hanging around with 2 shoulder pets + a chibi 😂

[south lance]

but worse abilities

[next pelican]

Thats a wonderful idea

[south lance]

or idk what happens to slimemolds that get really old

[next pelican]

On the matter can we have 3 chibi slots?

[stray elm]

That also.

[stray elm]

I don't think they age.

[past wind]

You want chaos

[south lance]

maybe

[next pelican]

I want more frens

[south lance]

fair enough

[stray elm]

I think they're one of the few creatures that don't die from age.

[next pelican]

I assure you most creatures die from things that are not old age

[stray elm]

Unironically though, a slime creature has so much potential.

[stray elm]

Fair.

[past wind]

As long it's not a new way to reintroduce the tek suit, I'm fine 😂

[next pelican]

Sinomacrops moment

[south lance]

i just dislike element

[stray elm]

For something without a nervous-system, they're scarily smart also.

Not cat smart, but smart like an ant.

[past wind]

Sinoma is way more balanced than the tek suit, IMO

[south lance]

if sinos were in ark2 id be fine

well, reduced mobility

[next pelican]

Oh I agree

[past wind]

me too

[next pelican]

But they do the same thing in concept

[south lance]

or maybe add anti air creatures

[next pelican]

Reaper king

[south lance]

im thinking more like bloodstalkers

[past wind]

well a ferrari does the same as my honda civic, in concept 😍

[south lance]

maybe the jungle will have super tall trees

[next pelican]

Yeah and theyre both cars

[south lance]

id like megatrees

giant webs to get stuck in

[next pelican]

You wanna get stuck in vin diesels webs?

[past wind]

LOL but you get my point, right? Sinos would be fine, tek suits wouldn't

[south lance]

yeah id like to get stuck in diesels sticky web

[split dove]

my bomb and tactical c4 do the same job, but the c4 is more favorable 💥

[next pelican]

I think they need a little more adjusting personally but sure

[past wind]

any new alien suit should be balanced

[next pelican]

Case and point tho ark 2 is supposed to be more primitive focussed, so I wouldnt expect to see a tek suit, or thing like it

[past wind]

Hence why I said I don't want them to introduce a new alien suit with the old tek suit features

[next pelican]

Tell you what I will miss tho

[south lance]

id like decent vertical movement abilities

[next pelican]

Cryopods

[past wind]

"see, we have no tek. This alien suit isn't tek" 😢

[south lance]

but yeah flight should be regulated by things

[past wind]

broken af

[south lance]

generally most people want decreased stam and or weight

[next pelican]

Oh absolutely, but I played before they existed and ill never want to go back

[south lance]

cryos wouldnt be too necessary as long as there was enough places to hide tames

[past wind]

me too, I wanted to die the first time I raised a giga

[south lance]

more hiding spots would be nice but it means more places to mesh through