ark-2

[ripe cedar]

Well then pick your fights, if you aren’t well armed or have backup then stay stealthier

[wintry urchin]

I'm sorry

That's the most PVE take I've ever heard

"Just be stealthy lol"

[ripe cedar]

Well yeah kinda gets ruined by esp

And other stuff

But in a perfect world it would work

[wintry urchin]

Or ini, or low settings, or foundation spam blocking foliage spawn

[blissful perch]

Blocking the ini cheese is a must for ark 2 PvP lol, no way around it

But let’s return to this

[ripe cedar]

Usually rolling is how you get out of committing for an attack

[blissful perch]

I do hope we get sidesteps for players and tames

Double tapping A or D for a little hop just seems so helpful

[wintry urchin]

Honestly here's what I wish it was

Ark 1 released again but in UE5 with no meshing, ini, or tek dlc bullshit

A pure pvp dinosaur game experience

[rustic oxide]

No

[ripe cedar]

Well maybe eventually as a remake or something although i doubt that would ever happen for a while because gen 2 only came out less than a year ago, but that is not ark 2 material

[wintry urchin]

But let's be real, no matter what A2 is ill prob put 5.6k hours into it as well

Actually prob not

Not enough time anymore

[ripe cedar]

End of the day its still raiding people with dinos and stuff just now on foot combat is different and you have more mobility

Well i guess less compared to tek suit

[wintry urchin]

Seems alot more primitive than ark 1

[ripe cedar]

I think thats the point

We dont know how in depth it goes yet though

[wintry urchin]

Yea

We need gameplay

[blissful perch]

I see that as an absolute win. I never much cared for hitscan firearms in ark, let alone tek

[thick moat]

I dont think you can make custon weapons in conan btw, only thing ressembling conan is the combat (kind off) and the traversal mechanics, and on conan you can only climb
You can't vault over things, can't swing, can't slide which ark 2 will have all of these, so I wouldnt call it a clone, or even resembling conan on a major part

[blissful perch]

I’d say there’s surface level resemblance

[thick moat]

Yes but not much

[blissful perch]

Idk, the third person mechanics based combat definitely feels conan from a basic level. Then again I don’t know why conan has the right to be the only survival game with such mechanics lol

But I do see a valid argument that ark 2 PvP may resemble conan more than ark 1 based on what we know of ark 1 and conan compared to the description of ark 2. A big part of the “distinct” ark 1 PvP, the gun play and first person foot PvP, is going away. I heavily doubt ark 2 will be a clone of conan but I do see the concern as valid

[ripe cedar]

Because the standard is survival games being first person so deviating from that standard and doing something someone else has done automatically makes you a clone

[blissful perch]

While I think the accusation of “conan clone” is a bit reductive, there’s a valid concern underneath

[ember oracle]

Think with ark 2 it will start primitive and as years go on they will add tek and stuff. Like ark one

[blissful perch]

God I hope not

“What’s next for ark? Not tek that’s for sure” I expect and hope refers to the entire game’s lifespan. I’d much prefer an Arat alien tech as the endgame tech, one that keeps melee combat at the forefront rather than gun play

[lavish rain]

Gun play

Melee would get boring fast

"Here's 60 different melee weapons with slightly different stats, enjoy!"

[lavish rain]

Why do you want melee play so badly... it gets boring fast

[rustic oxide]

Have you played dark souls

[lavish rain]

Yes

[rustic oxide]

There are plenty of games where melee never gets old

[lavish rain]

It was pretty dumb

[rustic oxide]

Oh I disagree and I hate you now because you have a different opinion

[lavish rain]

Ark2 is a survival game, having to melee 3625 different things and only melee will get old

[ripe cedar]

As opposed to killing everything from long range where it cant fight back

[lavish rain]

Pretty much

[ripe cedar]

So your end goal is to not have to use your brain anymore

[lavish rain]

Melee combat is stupid

[ripe cedar]

In what way?

Saying something is stupid is not a very good argument

[lavish rain]

Idk I've never enjoyed it

[wintry urchin]

Melee can't scale in the way that guns can, it'll always feel the same

[rustic oxide]

Hopefully melee will be so much more complicated then just clicking

[ripe cedar]

How do guns scale?

[lavish rain]

You've never played a shooter in your life...

[ripe cedar]

How does melee not scale in the same way?

[rustic oxide]

I don't get it

[ripe cedar]

Apparently clicking on someone with gun good, clicking on someone with sword bad

[rustic oxide]

I think they will make melee more interesting since yknow souls like and all

So it should be fun

[wintry urchin]

You aren't using guns from minute one, whereas you're gonna be clubbing people even if you're alpha

[ripe cedar]

If the combat is fun that shouldn’t matter and anyway you spend way more time in ark having guns then not having them unless you only ever play day 1 of wipe

Im sure there will be different melee weapons that you cant make right away, and if you think literally all melee weapons play the same, personally i do not

[past wind]

Even though I think not having tek engrams is a good thing, I would like to have guns on Ark 2. Doesn’t need to be an assault rifle, but at least a longneck

[wintry urchin]

How tf are we supposed to kill flyers with no guns

Or get a Rex or giga low before it pushes

[past wind]

Crossbows. A crossbow isn’t a gun, right?

But I want firearms

[wintry urchin]

Lmao good luck killing anything with more than 100 health with a crossbow

[past wind]

What?! I did it a lot, actually. Lol

[wintry urchin]

In pvp?

That's flying?

[past wind]

Back in the days we used to kill titanosaurs with flaming arrows. Lol

[past wind]

In pvp, yeah

Before tek, of course…

[wintry urchin]

So you're saying you could KILL a ptera or wyvern or Argent with only a crossbow in pvp

That is flying and actively trying to kill you

[past wind]

Yes…

Not easy, but of course you can

[blissful perch]

Imagine needing hitscan weapons 😂

[split dove]

i take them down using a slingshot

[blissful perch]

Ever play MH? A game that almost entirely uses melee weapons that scale?

[wintry urchin]

Tf is mh

[split dove]

Monster hunter

[wintry urchin]

Yeah I tried it, the controls felt like ass, refunded it

[past wind]

I miss my ascendant slingshot

[wintry urchin]

Also that's way different than ark

Aren't you fighting bosses with predetermined attack patterns

And its ai you're against.. not people

Ark pvp seems like it will be elden ring pvp

[onyx hemlock]

hope not

[ripe marsh]

Melee combat goes hard and yes it takes a while to master each weapon type

[past wind]

Ark pvp is 💩 tho

Any improvement is welcome

[south lance]

hopefully hitreg works

[blissful perch]

Bad argument to someone who enjoys ark 1 PvP lol

[south lance]

in ark2

[blissful perch]

The argument was against “melee doesn’t scale”, which in many games it does

[past wind]

I enjoy Ark 1 pvp, but I hope for a lot of improvements

[wintry urchin]

Yes in many of those story based pve games

[past wind]

It’s not the best pvp game I’ve played 😂

[south lance]

having to lead 20 body lengths because the hitbox is that far ahead of the body cause game cant load the two properly

[wintry urchin]

Fr though imagine if hitreg worked

[past wind]

One of the big reasons I call it 💩

[south lance]

i have confidence they can fix it

[blissful perch]

#1 reason I don’t touch PvP in ark

[south lance]

but then ark2 gonna be only 3rd person so idk how inportant things like crossbows will be

feel like itll be more melee and dino combat

less player ranged weapon relevancy

esp if theres no rifles

[blissful perch]

Agree here: but range is a valuable asset no matter what weapon it is lol

[south lance]

itll prob be dino ranged

[wintry urchin]

Locking it to third person is cringe as fuck

[past wind]

Based on the first trailer, you seem to be right. But I really hope they bring some ranged weapons and firearms.

[wintry urchin]

They NEED range

[south lance]

melee works better with tp too

[wintry urchin]

I'll take fucking blow darts man

[past wind]

No it’s not… just a design choice

[south lance]

provided melee isnt too much about aim

we will have some ranged for sure

not having bows for example would be dumb

[wintry urchin]

But leave it to the player

[south lance]

but they wont be good at anything but taming unless they boost damage a ton

[blissful perch]

No more cringe than velo and Astro outranging turrets when they came out I assume 😂? Or stuff that’s still in the game like the 360 degree giga bit hitbox?

[past wind]

Leave to the player the game design choices? How so?

[south lance]

get more people to make mods

[split dove]

oh god, some possibilities of that would be nightmare inducing

[south lance]

make mods the only way to get hired into dev team

xd

whoever makes the best mod gets a 6 figure job

[wintry urchin]

Like ark 1...

You want first person just up, want third? Scroll down

[past wind]

Look, I can’t say it will be good or I will like it before seeing some gameplay. But right now it’s impossible to say we would like to play Ark 2 in first person.

[wintry urchin]

I'd at least appreciate the option

[south lance]

i dont play ark too much in first person but it does help with a good few things

[wintry urchin]

Its alot easier in tight spaces or crafting stations

[past wind]

My point is, because of the new mechanics, first person will be bad.

I bet they have tried.

[blissful perch]

That’s not just your point: it’s THE point. The primary reason WC made the choice

[split dove]

No game will ever be for everyone

[south lance]

but it(insert whatever game has this rating) says E for everyone

[blissful perch]

This is a huge move for WC: usually they scope creep like crazy trying to add everything and please everyone, and imo often make mistakes in the process

[past wind]

People should at least see the first gameplay before judging it.

[blissful perch]

I’d say “judging it strongly”

It’s normal if not expected to judge the game based on what we have. That’s kinda the point on releasing any information is to have people form opinions and get excited

[thick moat]

Nah otter

[blissful perch]

Just…a fox? Because we already have canids

[wintry urchin]

That's the problem; they haven't shown 1 second of gameplay yet

[rustic oxide]

They are going to this week

[fallow niche]

No, we've been assuming it. There has been no official word.

[blissful perch]

So many people keep clowning and assuming that we’ll get news at every conceivable event. Just wait for news and then enjoy it when it comes

[fallow niche]

If we do get news, then all to the good and I'll be just as happy as everyone. But we have no news or any official planned news.

[blissful perch]

People seem to hate the announcements channel 😂

[fallow niche]

And pins

[blissful perch]

They all want their news before it gets there, like it will magically be more accurate than when WC releases it

[blissful perch]

Pins historically have been slow in this chat so I’m actually not gonna complain on that one

[velvet pier]

How many dinos will be in ark 2?

[fallow niche]

Sorry

[mint swan]

I'm gonna play ark 2 regardless, it's just that I would rather not stare at the back of my fat character when he running fast

[fallow niche]

We do not know.

[fallow niche]

Unfortunately PS will have to wait longer, as it is not going to be available for PS at launch (we don't know if it will ever go to PS either).

[mint swan]

the graphics are equivalent to horizon forbidden west

[velvet pier]

Do we know when will the game come out?

[iron sequoia]

Ark2 is more we don’t know that actual info
With everything we know in the pins

[fallow niche]

See pins for all official info

[velvet pier]

Thanks

[blissful perch]

You guys did great about improving on pins, so I’m happy where things are now. But I’m also here every day lol

[ripe marsh]

Not a graphics issue, It's an Early Access issue

[mint swan]

lol, dunno why they don't release it on console shortly after because the next gen consoles can clearly handle a game like this

[blissful perch]

It’s launching on Xbox and PC. It’s just PS who isn’t getting it on time, and it’s due to reasons outside of specs and software

[mint swan]

also, early access moment, imagine not letting your whole playerbase play the game at around the same time

[iron sequoia]

Blame Sony

[mint swan]

oh I do

[blissful perch]

Or Microsoft if they paid WC to keep things exclusive 😂

[mint swan]

sony's moderation is just bad

[blissful perch]

Either way, I wouldn’t really fault WC too much

[split dove]

making a game on a different platform also takes development time away from other things

[iron sequoia]

Mhm
Was it true they are doing it for mobile and switch?

[blissful perch]

Yes, but it’s also true that the PS playerbase is established enough to be highly likely to have a positive ROI

[mint swan]

mobile will most likely never happen for ark 2

[split dove]

oh i don't doubt that

[mint swan]

just look at the current ark mobile

they have aim assist

and you can't turn it off

[blissful perch]

Ark mobile is just another game entirely

[mint swan]

also do I have to mention harvesting

[blissful perch]

Tbh same with switch. They’re kinda like side products to “normal” ark

[mint swan]

switch actually has more than just the island

same story

then again the lighting hurts me

why not use the lighting all the other ark ports use (excluding mobile)

[blissful perch]

It’s more about design. Switch needs (I believe) a ton of shortcuts to be taken to save performance

[mint swan]

the lighting tho

it's fr ark mobile

[fallow niche]

Turn off bloom and lightshafts, and bring this back to ark 2

[ember oracle]

Do we think it’s still gonna come out 2023?

Even if it’s fall time

[blissful perch]

I think Q3-4 2023 is a safe bet

[ripe cedar]

But they initially thought 2022 so i wouldn’t say it would be pushed to q3-4

[past wind]

There’s no such thing regarding WC

[blissful perch]

They initially thought many things

[blissful perch]

I like to add 3-6 months to anything WC says and that’s usually a safe bet

[ripe cedar]

Yeah and 3-6 months from any 2022 date is before q3-4

[blissful perch]

Yea except they projected 2022 release two years ago

I was at the time predicting Q4 2022. We’re now in Q4 2022 and the deadline has very clearly moved

[past wind]

And WC will release it on 01/01/2023 just to troll us all

[blissful perch]

Mad respect if so, but that’s as likely as solo club taming a giga by mistake

[ripe cedar]

Yeah but they still said 2022 less than 2 years ago

[blissful perch]

And after seeing new information, my projection changed. Is that abnormal?

[past wind]

Just joking, but I have a gut feeling Q1 and Q2 are a possibility

Gut feeling and that Game Pass banner 😂

[split dove]

the only time we're right is when it's out 😂

[keen thicket]

i keep seing people complaining about ark 2 being only third person, yet they said it will have full mod support even for console so someone can just mod first person in

[lavish rain]

People play official...

[past wind]

I don’t have the numbers, but I’m pretty sure unnofficial players easily outnumber the official players

[fallow niche]

That'll likely change when we get access to Ark 2

[spice owl]

lol, we'll all jump on to try it, will be fun and hell

[elfin pumice]

Well if they want 1st person then they shouldnt play official. I still think that all the new mechanics arent compatible with 1st person

[proper frigate]

there new combat would just be weird with 1st person

[split dove]

yh, if it doesn't work in first you probably don't want to play it in a mediocre fast pace made first person mod instead of the intended third person design choice

[spice owl]

true, with parcour and all the new battle mechanic, they cannot really make first person

I wonder how will work the building, as the tribe builder, I'm eager to get info on that part XD

[elfin pumice]

A 1st person mode when out of combat/parkour would not be that bad though

[split dove]

we will get building templates, could work like the forest where it gradually fills up with more resources put into the build. but we will be able to share builds and copy them

[elfin pumice]

But idk how the transition would work

[lavish rain]

Still exists...

[lavish rain]

Still no port a build..

[elfin pumice]

I honestly like the forest building. That way you can plan what you are going to build without wasting any resources

[past wind]

I know, but it’s not the majority of the player base. That said, I don’t believe people will want to play in first person. I believe it will be clunky af, because of the new mechanics of movement/combat.

[keen thicket]

by the way they explained the water physics makes me want to get it

[ripe cedar]

Nobody else wants this except you

[past wind]

We need bigger boats to sail those new water physics

[keen thicket]

yes 100%

[ripe cedar]

It seemed to me to be procedural ever changing rivers

[keen thicket]

like they said buildings will interfere with the water and the water will go around it

what if it can go through windows

[ripe cedar]

And water sources may dry up during certain times

[past wind]

Not sure about that, but water will react to things on its path, like players, creatures, rocks etc

[keen thicket]

what if it can rain so hard some places will flood

i cant wait for the gameplay

[past wind]

I wouldn’t go that further… 😂

But procedural seasons would be nice

[elfin pumice]

Will we be able to cut off rivers?

[past wind]

Like snowing when colder and raining

[keen thicket]

what if if it floods and your doors and windows are closed and o2 cant get in and the house starts losing o2 and you die

[past wind]

Not confirmed

[past wind]

Man, I really doubt we will see water changing level or drying up.

That’s too much 😂

[keen thicket]

no we need more

what if there are fires that can burn down your house

[ripe cedar]

Then dont build it out of wood

[past wind]

Never saw any open world/sandbox game doing that.

[elfin pumice]

Would be cool to use hydraulic energy as a source of power

[keen thicket]

ooooo

good idea

[elfin pumice]

I still dont think we will have generators

[hidden tundra]

hi miettinen

[elfin pumice]

Too advanced

[hidden tundra]

im thomas

[elfin pumice]

Wrong channel man

[hidden tundra]

lets go to #general

[split dove]

there will be world events with watering holes, idk if that also includes drying up

[keen thicket]

faints

[past wind]

I can be wrong, but my understanding is that event was about creatures drinking water

And the ankylo concept shows that

[keen thicket]

the anklo was amazing

[lavish rain]

I had 1 yes 1 no so 50% of the community want it

[ripe cedar]

I don’t think its that they drink water its more like a lot of creatures in one specific spot

[ripe cedar]

False, you have more than 1 no

[lavish rain]

1 yes 2 nos still 33%

[past wind]

Yeah, to drink water. Lol
Like on the African savannah where the water is the safe ground for all the species

[lavish rain]

A third of a multi million player community wants port a build

[keen thicket]

whats that?

[ripe cedar]

Wow i didn’t know you could carry out such a thorough census

Still in the minority though

[lavish rain]

Millions of people still want it

[ripe cedar]

Then mod it

[lavish rain]

I will

[keen thicket]

good idea

hopefully ark 2 isnt like 10000000 gigs

[past wind]

Ark 1 isn’t either. The map dlcs add up a lot on disk space.

If Ark 2 has as much new maps as Ark 1 it will be big

[wintry urchin]

Steam

[lime forge]

I mean 450 or 10000000 it’s the same thing

[ripe cedar]

Its still like 120 no dlc that more than almost any other game

[keen thicket]

hopefully its on cloud gaming

[past wind]

No pls 😂

[keen thicket]

it would be worse than a powerpoint but you wouldent have to download it

[past wind]

Unless Microsoft is offering its Azzure network to WC, it’s not feasible

[ripe cedar]

Nvidia has it

[keen thicket]

then i have to get a usb drive with like 100000 gigs

[past wind]

Nvidia streams the game. What he wants is what Microsoft Flight Simulator does

[keen thicket]

actually if it has good optimizing then it might be less like mc

[past wind]

Microsoft streams the world, that has 10s of petabytes to the players flying

[keen thicket]

not as much as mc tho its like 2 gigs or something

[wintry urchin]

Wonder how hard it's gonna be to run

[past wind]

Yeah, but you need lots of servers around the World to make it possible

[wintry urchin]

Have they talked about specs yet?

[past wind]

No

[keen thicket]

my pc would turn into my ps4/a jet engine

[past wind]

Still TBA

[wintry urchin]

It's gonna be like ark 1 first release I guarantee

Where people need like 4090s to run 40 fps

[keen thicket]

me over here on a laptop crying'

[past wind]

I would be more concerned about the CPUs 👍

[keen thicket]

normal ark already takes like 3 hours to download for me

imagine how long it will be for ark 2

10 gigs left till ark is done downloading, finally

[ripe cedar]

With or without dlc?

[past wind]

The download is actually fast, what takes time is the decompression process

[keen thicket]

withought

[keen thicket]

the what?

[wintry urchin]

I wonder what I'll need to do to run ark 2

[past wind]

Steam downloads files and decompress them

[keen thicket]

oh

[wintry urchin]

Surely a 3060 ti will be enough... right?

[keen thicket]

ima get off discord it will download faster

[past wind]

Definitely

It all depends on what resolution and settings you want to run it

[wintry urchin]

At least 1440p with 60fps minimum

[past wind]

I think you will be fine. I’m more concerned with large bases + lots of creatures. On that scenario the CPU is hit hard.

[wintry urchin]

Yea but we'll see

[blissful perch]

The concept that creatures move in groups rather than spawn in set areas excites me for sure

I’m also very curious about regional weather that I believe was promised. Maybe it IS possible to have flooding and drought

[split dove]

i'll have to take a look at the founders post, that's the only description of some world events, steam page has no examples

[past wind]

Regional weather is one of the features announced. But floods and droughts I think would be too much. 😂

[split dove]

''Events include procedurally-dynamic scenarios like watering hole gatherings, wounded creatures, tracking the signs of advanced prey, stampedes, herds, defending endangered creatures to earn their trust, finding dens of parent creatures and their young, and more. Whether you choose to engage with these events is up to you, and each can yield unique rewards and challenges.''

[past wind]

Imagine you logging in and finding you base destroyed by a flood. 😂

[split dove]

splish splash your thatch base was trash 🌊

[blissful perch]

I just realized. Wtf is “advanced prey” 👀👀

Is this like special creatures?

[split dove]

[tropic crag]

Probably the aliens, I'm guessing? Seeing as how they'd be considered advanced to anything we've tamed thus far

[ripe marsh]

I think it could refer to Apexes like rex or alien spino etc

[blissful perch]

Or maybe super rare variant creatures? Lots of possibilities

[split dove]

i suppose it could be ''brute like'' creature versions

[blissful perch]

I suspect many aliens will be as common as earth fauna given it’s a “struggle of alien vs earth life”

[tropic crag]

GOD this makes me hope they don't just throw away variant creatures, they were so cool

Love the aberrant spino and X-yuty and R-reapers

[blissful perch]

Visually yes, but I wish the variants were a bit more complex than a mild stat change…and actually differed between Ab X etc

[tropic crag]

Common, sure, but advanced in ability I meant moreso than anything else

[blissful perch]

Maybe? Hard to say

[tropic crag]

Advanced doesn't necessarily have to mean "better"

[blissful perch]

New/alien/fantasy sure, but complexity comes in many forms

[tropic crag]

Just not something we're used to and therefore advanced to us

[past wind]

Maybe something super rare like the phoenix

Phoenix spawn is basically an world event

[tropic crag]

Hey the aberrant ones were radiation immune! /j

[split dove]

a world event during another world event

[blissful perch]

I think advanced likely means “not available through normal searching” but it’s making me wonder what creatures will get this treatment

[ripe marsh]

imagine it's just a tek creature lol. taken the word advanced literally

[past wind]

Stryders spawn when it’s raining elements

[tropic crag]

I mean, the fact that it's a tracking event and is procedurally generated makes it sound pretty common, maybe not as common as finding a dodo everywhere you look, but more common than say a titanosaur, at least to me

[past wind]

It CAN be common or not, it depends on what they want. There might exist uncommon events.

We will know for sure when they explain it

[tropic crag]

True and real

[blissful perch]

Like Charlie said, that boils down to what we can find, the frequency of the events, etc

[wanton wraith]

In how many time ark 2 is ready?

[stray elm]

What?

[stray elm]

Yes

[split dove]

all we know right now is just next year, we are getting gameplay soon

[stray elm]

Not 'soon'
Just the next time they show off info of ARK-2

[split dove]

memory can quickly fade, and i'm a bit tired. but yeah the next time they talk about ark 2 they will show off some gameplay

[stray elm]

"It's just a burning memory "

[split dove]

''You're not real, you're just a memory''

[rustic oxide]

It is soon like this week at the pc gaming show

[stray elm]

Not guaranteed.

[small pollen]

We can only hope 🙂

[stray elm]

I do hope/think it'll be there.
But a realistic possibility is that they'll only show rerun of trailers, or just talk about it.

So it's a 50/50% chance

[small pollen]

They said next time would be gameplay

So I don't think they will just talk about it

[rustic oxide]

I saw that a dev on twitter last week said "see you next week"

[stray elm]

Right.
Doesn't mean they can't allow others to talk about it.

[stray elm]

Cedric, he says that every week.

[small pollen]

I mean they won't just talk about it

[rustic oxide]

Aw what

[small pollen]

Unless they lied

[stray elm]

They could.
They wouldn't be lying if the showrunners are talking about ARK-2, not Wildcard.

[small pollen]

That would be pretty crappy of them

[stray elm]

Wouldn't be unrealistic.

We'll see in 3 more days.

[small pollen]

The next 3 days are gonna go so slow 😢

[stray elm]

For you, maybe.
I'm knocking myself out with (I forgot the name) the type of drugs that put you to sleep.

[small pollen]

😮 you might miss it

[minor frigate]

I really hope drakes make it to Ark 2 even if they werent on the eden ring

[stray elm]

I wont be fucking asleep for 3 days straight. 😆

I'd be dead

[small pollen]

Oh ._.

[stray elm]

You can only last 3 days without water.

[small pollen]

Get a drip

[stray elm]

And the drugs wearoff after a few hours.

[stray elm]

Who's gonna refill it.

[small pollen]

D:

[small pollen]

I'm just hoping for argy to be fair 😦

[minor frigate]

no shot we dont get argies

[stray elm]

I could see a Drake-like alien taking their place. But I don't see Rock-Drakes coming back.

[minor frigate]

maybe an evolved version, gliding is the way forward

[small pollen]

Would be good if all the dinos were mutated so they all look and act different. Stronger and more intelligent.

[stray elm]

Did you not see the new concept art?

[small pollen]

Yeah

[stray elm]

The anky looks hella different

So I think your idea is already happening.
Cause the rexes, raptors, and dodo's also look different

[small pollen]

Looks uncomfortable o.o

[stray elm]

Who said we're sitting on it

Ain't no wait I'm sitting on that motherfucker

[small pollen]

Haha

[ripe cedar]

It will sit on you

[stray elm]

I rather that.

[small pollen]

Side saddle

.>

[ripe cedar]

I keep saying just sit in the back

Ark 1 anky had spikes up your ass

[small pollen]

Do you think we will be from a tribe or we will get woken up there?

Or just wake up on a beach...

[minor frigate]

i feel like theres no way in hell we get manas or reapers back

[ripe cedar]

Probably wake up on a beach but probably an initial spawn in cutscene

[minor frigate]

but drakes arent that op

[stray elm]

Yeah, but atleast they weren't so big they could be used for something else if you where into that shit.

[minor frigate]

pobably waking up late froma cryo chamber

[small pollen]

I was thinking the trailer could be the start of the game and when vin goes into that chamber with his daughter our character is in there and he wakes us up.

[stray elm]

Again, I can see reaper/mana alien counterparts.
But yeah, there's going to be creatures that're exclusive to ARK-1

[ripe cedar]

Everyone isnt spawning in the same spot

[small pollen]

Oh..

[minor frigate]

your probably right

[stray elm]

Yeaaah.

[minor frigate]

really will miss them

[stray elm]

Just like ARK-1, we'll probably spawn in different areas.

I could see a tutorial section of Vin helping us.
But we'll probably be a survivor from a wreckage.

[minor frigate]

I think a lot of ark 1 returning dinos will be infuenced by jurassic world, i can really see the giga and theri redesigns looking like they do in jurassic world

[ripe cedar]

Ark is meant to be a primarily multiplayer game even if the story of waiting for ONE survivor to be the one to kill the king titan and rockwell goes against that

[stray elm]

The story is canonically a tribe of survivors.

At 'least' a two person tribe

So yeah, ARK-2 is probably going to be more story focused.
But they'll probably have the story focused around the idea of multiple survivors then a solo.
Or they might do what they did with Rockwell Prime, and adapt the fight to either a Solo-survivor or a group.

[small pollen]

Did you see the part in the 24 hour stream where the artist was asked about his favourite dino and he said he couldn't say? I wonder what that is.. O.O

[small pollen]

I'm looking forward to the story

[stray elm]

I do just hope they don't make it some cheesy bullshit with 'family'

[small pollen]

Oh god.. or big giant wheels pop out of the t-rex and we drive off a cliff of explosions, drop 10000000000ft and survive without a scratch.

[stray elm]

Yeeeeeep

That's my only worry so far with the story.

[small pollen]

Yeah lol

[stray elm]

A story about building bonds and such can be great.
Buuuuut, the way they do it in Vin's movies are the most cheesiest shit.

[small pollen]

I know.. I'm not good with cringe.

[stray elm]

But the coming war between humanity and the Aratai sounds interesting.
And the 'unknown force that seeks to control all life' sounds sus, in a good way.

[small pollen]

I missed that unknown force part. Interesting.

[stray elm]

Sounds like it could be element

But also, element never tried to 'seek to control all life'
It wanted to destroy all life for its own survival

[stray elm]

"team-up with legendary heroes, and confront powerful dark forces seeking to control the fate of all life."

[small pollen]

O.O

[stray elm]

Also, hero's' with a plural.
I wouldn't call Meeka a hero, since she's just a kid.
So I wonder who else they'll have/bring back.

[small pollen]

Aw man.. I wish it never got delayed 😢

[ripe marsh]

Helena 🤞

[stray elm]

Ew

God no.
I hope Diana and Mei

[ripe marsh]

Fine bob

[stray elm]

We could be Bob.

[ripe marsh]

The hero above all

[stray elm]

We have amnesia in the storepage.
So we could be the survivor from the first game. (or they'll never touch on it and leave it open.)

[ripe marsh]

true that's a good point

[past wind]

To be fair, I would be disappointed if the “dark forces” are Aratai. I mean, they are the natives, humans are the invaders. I think the dark forces will be humans…

[stray elm]

I don't think they are.
The Aratai are in their own section of that paragraph. It'd be odd to mention them twice.

[past wind]

So .. dark forces… maybe Rockwell?! 😂

[stray elm]

NO!

I wouldn't mind if they pulled a Santiago, and his 'clone' is now a old-man that isn't "bad" (as good as Rockwell can be)
But him as a villain again will kill the story for me.

It's like if they brought back Thanos after literally building up to 15+ movies just to kill him yet again.

[past wind]

That’s true… they can be more creative

[stray elm]

"Hostile 'Aratai' hunt & attack you riding their own tamed creatures, as they seek to drive human interlopers from their world."
Yeah, I don't think it's the Aratai's.
They just want us gone. Not control all life

[small pollen]

I'll make the aratai like me 🥰

[past wind]

Don’t you think they will go the Avatar way? 😂

[stray elm]

Mood.
I want a Ara-bro

[past wind]

Santiago’s side joining Aratai to fight the dark forces

[stray elm]

That'd be interesting

If the Aratai are the villains of the first Act of the story. But the 'dark forces' are revealed and become the true main antagonist for the last acts, as the Aratai and humans team up.

[past wind]

They will probably be the initial enemies. But it would be cool if we saw a plot twist eventually 😂

[small pollen]

Maybe the main villain is human? I'm interested in why the aratai hate humans so much and want them off the planet. They look like they were once human but someone or something corrupted them?

[stray elm]

They hate us cause we came from the stars and started taking their land as our own, and probably fucking up their ecosystem

[blissful perch]

Eat someone else’s food and take their land…and suddenly they won’t be friendly

[past wind]

My hope is we will see two factions, like federation and the others

[stray elm]

It's basically America versus the Natives all over again

[small pollen]

There is plenty of space for us all 🥰

[blissful perch]

Mildly different, but there are obvious parallels

[stray elm]

Tell that to the founding fathers.

[small pollen]

D:

[stray elm]

I don't know, they're pretty similar so far.
Both wanted to run away from a horrible force.
Both found a new world, rich with life.
Both are slaughtering each other for land and food, cause humans can't share.

[blissful perch]

Remember the US was discovered by people prospecting for spices and trade

[stray elm]

Right, but it wasn't colonized till later on. No?

[blissful perch]

It was settled by people who wanted to abandon europe. Who would take such a massive risk? Greedy or ambition tradesman, and people with nothing left to lose

[stray elm]

Fair.
But both did run away from a bigger threat, even if it was spice traders that had the balls to do it.

[blissful perch]

In the case of genesis, the ship is basically filled with earth refugee lifeforms

I’m guessing humans and Aratai occupy a similar ecological niche, and much like Homo sapiens and our cousin species (for example Neanderthals), coexistence is extremely tough

[stray elm]

Right.
Kind of like Neanderthals and Humans.

[blissful perch]

I find that comparison far more accurate than the Americas

[stray elm]

Fair.

The Aratai do look very Neanderthal like

[blissful perch]

Our artistic tendency to make primitive humanoids look like them helps lmao

Even though they were parallel cousins, not ancestors, to our species (IE they were not more primitive)

[stray elm]

Oh no, right.
Didn't they also use stone-based tools?

[blissful perch]

They did. They also had social structure

[stray elm]

Yeah, that's beyond not-primitive.

[blissful perch]

They also were physically superior to our species in almost every way. The only damning trait they had was larger size and smaller groups

People think we out bred and out ate them

[stray elm]

Didn't their brains also outgrew their skulls?
Which was one of the causes of their extinction.

[blissful perch]

Human babies right now kinda do that. So I’m holding X on that

[stray elm]

Right, but if I recall even adults experienced this issue.

Don't babies also have very fragile bones compared to a adult?

[blissful perch]

I found an article about neanderthal BABIES having the same trait as human babies

[stray elm]

What?

[small pollen]

What have I come back to? Lol

[fallow niche]

[blissful perch]

I don’t see anything about adults, beyond some articles talking about them having slower maturation and possibly larger brains than Homo sapiens. Aratai life expectancy guess time lol

[split dove]

[stray elm]

Then that old article could've been wrong

(the article I read, I mean)

[blissful perch]

Very possible. It’s a fast moving field. It’s why I don’t hold WC to perfect accuracy

[stray elm]

Or accuracy at all.

[blissful perch]

Even over the course of ark 1’s life science has changed how we think of prehistoric life

[stray elm]

Oh defiantly.
That was nearly a decade ago

Can you believe ARK-1 is nearly a decade

[blissful perch]

I believe it’s 7 years old

[stray elm]

Nearly a decade

[lavish rain]

Not at all

[stray elm]

3 more years and it'll be a decade

That's pretty close.

[lavish rain]

3 more years is still a bit of time

[stray elm]

Not from how fast these two years have been.

[lavish rain]

Fair

[blissful perch]

Memory compression be like

[stray elm]

Yep.
3 years sounds like alot, but it'll be gone in a blip

[lavish rain]

Tf is that

[ripe marsh]

There's multiple theories but the most accepted is we outbred them. There's also the evidence of sapiens having vastly superior technology of their time.

[stray elm]

Brain tries to only remember important stuff, which is not often. So time seems to be faster. iirr

[blissful perch]

My understanding was that tech wildly varied by region, which is why I prefer to consider breeding

[lavish rain]

What does the brain considered important tho?

[blissful perch]

Usually emotionally significant

[stray elm]

Emotional stuff

Like a happy moment, or a love ones death.

If you can remember it, it's important to you.
If you can't remember what you had for breakfast, then it wasn't important

[lavish rain]

I'm gonna ask more questions but not here

[stray elm]

Coward

[fallow niche]

[blissful perch]

Have you worked your channels to get bees confirmed in ark 2?

[lavish rain]

Simply off topic

[fallow niche]

Otter has to work her magic first and get those confirmed, then I'll work on bees 😂

[blissful perch]

I didn’t know there was a mod hierarchy

[stray elm]

There always is

Still hope I can apply for mod/admin soon.

[fallow niche]

Otters are more liked than bees

Speaking of stuff being added

[stray elm]

Damn, bees are more important

[fallow niche]

Tameable plant please kthx

[stray elm]

I know it's off topic. But do you know if Wildcard will be looking for new mods/admins soon?

[fallow niche]

I really need an updated picture of these little dudes (smallest hint ever WC)

[fallow niche]

Have absolutely no idea tbh. They'll (admins) usually ask us (mods) about timezones/coverage though before doing mod apps. After that they figure it out and if they need mods, they share in #ark-discord-news

[blissful perch]

I’m wondering if that’s a juvenile. If not, it may be one of the smallest creatures in the ark 2 roster

[stray elm]

The ants where even smaller

[fallow niche]

Smallest does not always mean worst though, I really really like tiny creatures

[stray elm]

It's going to be fucking hard to see them in third-person

[fallow niche]

If they're that small. It could've just been effects for the video.

[blissful perch]

I don’t mind small either, but I do think at a certain point you’re gonna need a new UI/mechanic just to spot and make use of creatures that tiny

[fallow niche]

Gonna just. Remove these though, so it doesn't turn into a convo about all of that, it's unnecessary in this channel.

[stray elm]

Fair

[fallow niche]

Something better than just a spyglass

[stray elm]

Especially in third-person

[iron sequoia]

Salad

[fallow niche]

WRONG.

[stray elm]

Tamable salad

[blissful perch]

Tbh I’m down for some ark 2 salad. Plant lizard leaves with a squeeze of citronal and some sliced otter? Dang that sounds good

[stray elm]

Bee is about to sting you

[mellow wadi]

R those gonna be like the current-day plant x or z? except different name and looks(obvi)

[fallow niche]

Did you look at the trailer? It's a dino.

[mellow wadi]

i did

Twice

[ripe marsh]

doubt it, looks like a living creature

[polar trellis]

hope theres bigger version big salad

[fallow niche]

....it is a creature lmao

[polar trellis]

🥦

[fallow niche]

[polar trellis]

🥦 vs 🦖

[fallow niche]

Okay if it's going to be done, at least do it right

🥀 vs 🦖

[polar trellis]

bruh

[fallow niche]

It's not a broccoli!

[polar trellis]

liar

praise broccoli monster

[fallow niche]

How does this look like broccoli

[mellow wadi]

That’s Guava

lmfao

[polar trellis]

well actually in australia

[mellow wadi]

Chopped up guava salad 🥗 LOL

[fallow niche]

[mellow wadi]

u know what guava is tho right?

[fallow niche]

It's a dino, not a fruit

[stray elm]

It's defiantly not a dino

[fallow niche]

If anything, it's closer to a Venus fly trap

[stray elm]

I don't recall a leafcutter lizard wannabe.

[fallow niche]

It's not a fruit though lmao

[stray elm]

It might be, if it has seed inside

[mellow wadi]

I see seeds 😨

It’s a fruit

see

It’s a guava:/ bruv

[fallow niche]

[mellow wadi]

bruh no gifs?

[mellow wadi]

yes.

[polar trellis]

🥦 🇧🇷

[tropic crag]

Did you mean: an actual magnifying glass to use for magnifying

[fallow niche]

Instead of checking health/torpor? Yes actually lmao

[tropic crag]

Honestly would be a great improvement

Would be cool for intricately looking at textures, or even painting tiny things as well (like the smol leaf lizard)

[blissful perch]

That’s tough even in a game as graphically uh yea as minecraft

Although I do wish I could check torpor without a janky tool like the magnifying glass

[sonic elbow]

HLN-A

Similar functionality should be added to the previous maps somehow

I honestly forgot HLN-A could check stats in Gen2 for some reason, I only ended up using her in Gen1.

[fallow niche]

This is about Ark 2, new game. Not suggestions for Ark 1.

[analog hamlet]

ARK Game Suggestions:

Visit survivetheark.com to view or add your own game suggestions!

(NOTE: you will need to sign in to your forum account)

[sonic elbow]

I wasn't making a suggestion lmfao.

I was making a general statement.

I'm aware what channel we're in.

[fallow niche]

You just said added to previous maps, implying to Ark 1. Hence the response.

[blissful perch]

You think we’ll be able to hit a button and summon to tell us torpor? I’m down, sounds funny 😂

[minor prism]

Make obs 48hr atleast for ark 2 on official 😂👍

[lime forge]

Remove upload entirely from Ark 2

[rapid swan]

Are you not even allowed to talk anymore?

[rapid swan]

Why wouldnt you be allowed to talk about ark 1, if someone says i like for ark 1 dinos to return in 2 is that not allowed?

[lime forge]

That’s about Ark 2.

[ripe cedar]

Uh actually now you are talking about the ark discord not ark 2

[hard hornet]

A

[minor prism]

How u supposed to carry your tribe without an upload though 🤔😂

[ripe marsh]

with skills ( complain to admin )

[blissful perch]

You’ll notice that moderation is subjective and based on “good faith relevancy to ark 2”

[ruby isle]

i hope that ark 2 dont give me the feeling of arcade game

i want it more sandbox

not only a missions

[thick moat]

Only bad thing about that is the alpha tribe can dominate the whole server and make it hard for anyone to grow, that's the only bad thing that no downloads/uploads made

Though compared to when clusters were opened the problems it brings where worse than before, griefers from othe server, megatribes, server allies and all that

All I hope is that on ark 2 there's a mechanic to make the alpha tribe keep their toes in the ground with others, I like that people can have more power than the others but make it unplayable for them is just ass, I would love to see a way to fight back somehow

[ripe marsh]

strong ai ( apex or mega aratai tribe ) that specifically goes for alpha tribes maybe?

[thick moat]

doesnt conan have something like this?

but kinda undeveloped?

[vagrant delta]

Does anyone know about the supposed ark 2 stuff in the dino discovery mode?

[fallow niche]

Nope, all wr know is what he tweeted in #766826918803800074.

https://twitter.com/jeremystieglitz/status/1592354902051033092

Jeremy Stieglitz (@jeremystieglitz)

For those ARK lore completionists out there: Dino Discovery has critical deep-connections into ARK2..

Likes

173

Twitter · Nov 15, 2022, 3:12 AM

[thick moat]

i think it's something related to the artifacts you can collect

[fallow niche]

No one knows anything officially though.

[thick moat]

yeah im sure the next few days we may get some info on it

i honestly thought about buying it and trying it out lol

[past wind]

One big move to avoid mega tribes raiding all around would be not having anything like cryopods. You want to move 100 creatures to raid some tribe? You will need to move them by land.

In the other hand, creating buildings to storage our creatures on our bases (new creature management system?).

[lavish rain]

Is this serious?

[fallow niche]

It's from Jeremy, there is nothing more serious than from a co-founder of Studio Wildcard I'm assuming.

[lusty seal]

It would be cool if you jumped on ankys back you would take damage

Or more specifically raptors

If they really doo have more unique attacks and ai

[minor frigate]

ark 2 battle pass

[split dove]

Ai will be massively upgraded compared to ark 1 dino ai. dinos no longer come for you when they can't see you, it's now based on new stealth, smell and sight mechanics with the new ai

[lusty seal]

I would like too see raptors try to find a weak point or something to attack at

[rustic oxide]

It would be goofy

[thick moat]

don't ever mention that again

[minor frigate]

ark 3 battle pass

[blissful perch]

That’s a feature new to ark 4. Ark 3 adds loot boxes, and ark 2 simply has paid subscriptions to official. Don’t spread lies smh

[mellow arrow]

Bro i kinda want owl bears in ark 2

[stray elm]

No

[mellow arrow]

Why?

[stray elm]

They're not called 'battle passes'
They're called 'family passes'

[blissful perch]

You can search that animal in this chat and see my dissent for it

[minor frigate]

theyve mentioned these

[mellow arrow]

Wha really

[onyx trellis]

Need more realistic dinosaurs from the past, but also more fantasy creatures

[thick moat]

I hope they focus more on normal dinos tbh

like on the early acces days

😢

[past wind]

Me too, BUT it’s an alien planet with alien Fauna and Flora. Don’t expect only things from our planet.

[onyx trellis]

I agree, more about normal dinos first, making the game as realistic as possible

[onyx trellis]

I expect alien things as well

[safe mural]

Guys, what did Jeremy mean with that image he posted today?

[past wind]

You should, they will be there 😂

[onyx trellis]

The stories will be finished in Ark 2

From the maps of Ark 1

[past wind]

That Ark Dino Discovery is canonical and there will be Ark 2 info in that game.

Marketing strategy to sell more 😂

[stray elm]

Same with ARK-Park and PixARK

[past wind]

@past knoll will share with us all the info Im sure. 😂

[south lance]

two days till game review

hopefully we see something

[mint swan]

I think only pixark not ark-park

Or did they include that?

[stray elm]

Nope, ARK Park is canon in the intro.

[mint swan]

Ah ok mb

[stray elm]

It's an old part of the simulation

HLN-A states something about "There's two older simulations we don't talk about" while showing PixARK and the train from ARK-Park

[mint swan]

Oh wow sweet

[untold totem]

Also the Ab note

[tropic crag]

Yeah, Ark-Park has been canon since Aberration lol

[mint swan]

I hope they nerf manas 🥲

[tropic crag]

I hope manas are unnerfed, if they even make it in

[mint swan]

I hope they don’t 🙏

I also hope they make the server selection interface better

[untold ingot]

I mope nothing like Manas ever come back. It makes the game 10000% too easy for pve, and miserable for pvp lol

[iron sequoia]

“Mope”

[tropic crag]

I mean, if they were a pure point-to-point travel mount, with no health and no attack (just the ice breath to slow creatures attacking it while gaining stam) then it would be fine imo

Would be nice for singleplayer, at least

[untold ingot]

No it wouldn't lol, it's the movement speed that makes them broken

[tropic crag]

Not really, it's the full package (pre-nerfs) that made them broken

They're literal garbage doodoo ass now

[untold ingot]

They still solo bosses...

[tropic crag]

You mean like any dude with a tek rifle can

[untold ingot]

And are the primary speed/griefing Dino after shadowmane

[tropic crag]

Not a high bar tbh

[tropic crag]

Now THAT is funny

The Bloodstalker would like a word

[untold ingot]

I see Manas used more than bloodstalkers, especially on wipe servers

[tropic crag]

Ease of access/taming doesn't amount to much in the long run (aka, most servers, especially official)

I will die on the hill that manas are dogshit now

[untold ingot]

When a server wipes every month or so, there is no long run lol

They are, but that doesn't mean they need a buff

[tropic crag]

And... how many servers wipe compared to those that don't? Also, wasn't talking about buffing them at all in the current state, just for Ark 2 where (hopefully) they wouldn't be as strong comparatively from the get go

[untold ingot]

I am really hoping the days of excessive movement speed are over when it comes to ark2

[tropic crag]

Same here, but one point-to-point mount that is purely for that and that alone is hardly a return to form in any regard

[untold ingot]

A pre nerf mana would be excessively broken regardless of ark2, unless everything in ark2 was as fast as Manas, and had the same range. And I think everyone would say that would be miserable

[tropic crag]

You are missing the point entirely, I think

[untold ingot]

I have a different point

Manas would be terrible for ark2

[tropic crag]

They would do nothing but be travel and have one, next-to-no-damage, defensive move

[untold ingot]

Well, you know I want to nerf fliers because of how easy they make travel. Manas are worse for that

[tropic crag]

Well yeah, no one is going to disagree there, they're shit right now and would still be shit if unchanged, no durr

I'm not saying they can cross the map in one stamina bar, either

[untold ingot]

I think you are missing my point lol, I have been arguing for reduced travel speed for months lol

[tropic crag]

They'd be useful for like a minute, tops, then you'd have to regen stam (which I hope takes a bit longer this time around, for multiple reasons)

[untold ingot]

I mean, it depends on how far that minute goes. A minute on a mana or maewing is a lot further than a minute on an iguanadon

If there is one stat that breaks ark besides armor and dura, then it is movement speed

[tropic crag]

If the maps are truly as big as they say, I don't see the harm in a creature that is really hard to tame but allows for traversal of a reasonable chunk of said map in a minute or so, especially if it's super dainty as stated

[untold ingot]

I mean, the ability to quickly move around the map is probably the main reason alphas can control a whole server

So that's the harm in it lol

[tropic crag]

It's more their ability to move dinos quickly via cryos and transferring, but ok, I guess

[mint swan]

They should replace manas with a tech engram that allows similar travel but is more expensive to use than a mana

[tropic crag]

This Ark 2 mana would have no carrying power whatsoever, therefore invalidating half of the power of the megas and alphas right then and there

[mint swan]

So it’s hard to get and this less people use it for grieving and other stuff

[tropic crag]

Locking it behind a high cost engram is the worst thing possible

Besides, vehicles beside maybe a raft or a plow or something are not going to make the cut lol

And I don't see a world where that's not a vehicle

[mint swan]

A mana is so beyond the other Dinos that it’s equivalent to using tech and has no costs

in terms of displacement

[tropic crag]

Hard disagree

[mint swan]

It’s a sick creature tho 😭

just nothing else comes close to it in terms of speed and versatility

[tropic crag]

Manas (in their current iteration, i.e. the only one we can really compare to for now) are dogshit and cost time and effort to tame, breed, and keep fed

[tropic crag]

The bloodstalker, maewing, and shadowmane would like a word

[mint swan]

Versatility

[tropic crag]

Shadowmanes are easily the most versatile tames on the entire game

[untold ingot]

I really wouldn't underestimate the power of scouting. Even if you don't have cryos, just knowing exactly where to strike cuts off at least half the time of mobilizing an army lol

[tropic crag]

Boss tame? Sure!
Travel tame? Yeah!
Literally anything else? Why not!

[tropic crag]

As if scouting is that in-depth, or their info wouldn't be wrong in the time it takes to get there

[onyx trellis]

They wreck in low level pvp

[untold ingot]

Uh, it is that in depth lol

Especially without cryos

[tropic crag]

scouts turret wall
"Yep, that's a turret wall, alright"
soaks turrets like they have 410 billion times before

Very in-depth

[onyx trellis]

Very sarcastic

😂

[tropic crag]

But am I wrong?

[untold ingot]

Yeah, if that's all the scouting you have seen or done, then you haven't ever really don't any

[onyx trellis]

I would say you are ignoring the fact that you can calculate how far the turrets will reach, knowing when players get on is important too

You're going for garbage bases if that's all you consider scouting to be bro

But no I do agree Shadowmanes are the most versatile in the game, but they are much harder to tame compared to a mana

[tropic crag]

Knowing when players get on can be done by checking a setting, wat. And if you don't know how far turrets shoot by now, then you haven't played enough PvP

[onyx trellis]

You have to calculate the distance the turrets reach, and wdym, what setting?

[tropic crag]

On xbox, at least, you can see the GT of people that get online

[untold ingot]

You are oversimplifying it. Usually you can't just blindly soak a random wall. There is a lot more that actually goes into raiding bases

[tropic crag]

But you have to turn it on

[onyx trellis]

Like a giga would be WreCkEd by a death wall

[mint swan]

Mana tame is acc not even that hard

[onyx trellis]

Its actually an easy tame

[mint swan]

Compared to what they offer especially

[onyx trellis]

But Shadowmanes aren't that hard either, and offer more damage tanking, and invisibility to online players

[tropic crag]

Shadowmanes are pain to tame, wdym

[onyx trellis]

They aren't that difficult

Obviously they're harder but they aren't that bad considering its a passive 😂

[tropic crag]

Gen 2 server lag every 15 minutes makes it pretty hard, but maybe that's just Xbox

[mint swan]

Ngl I’ve never tamed a shadow mane even tho taming and breeding is my specialty 😭😭 idk why I’ve never gotten a chance

[onyx trellis]

I think it's just the server, my Ark servers never lag for gen 2 unless there's 50 people on or more

But I'm also PS4

Bro what

[onyx trellis]

Arctic

[mint swan]

For pc, lags, glitches, crashes, are part of the game now lmao consider it ✨ natural disasters ✨

[onyx trellis]

Well that isn't the case for PS

[tropic crag]

Every 15 minutes it lags, because of the upload of the server save, even with just me on

[onyx trellis]

That's wild

It could also be how many creatures are being tamed

[tropic crag]

Almost pauses the server for like 10-15 seconds, then zooms back up to speed

[mint swan]

Atleast we don’t have to pay for ps+ 🤓

[onyx trellis]

You get bad exclusives

Like trash compared to PS don't even try me 😂

[tropic crag]

Sony are mean to you guys, and yet you cling to them like that last little piece of broccoli in their teeth

[mint swan]

Ark on console is acc fire I play solo tho cuz not tryna pay to@play online

[onyx trellis]

How are they mean

[onyx trellis]

I agree, offline looks much better, and runs better

[mint swan]

Yeahhhh especially with a nice monitor 🤤

[onyx trellis]

😂

Ark also looks sexy on a PS5 with a massive flat-screen

[tropic crag]

Back on topic, fellers

[onyx trellis]

Yes, ark

We weren't even talking about ark 2 😂

[tropic crag]

We can throw our platform of preference around somewhere else

[onyx trellis]

I see

[mint swan]

Ofcccc I have ps4 pro so the 4K slap bro

[tropic crag]

I was, can't speak for y'all

[onyx trellis]

Shadowmanes being more versatile than a mana?

[tropic crag]

In regards to them being in Ark 2?

[onyx trellis]

What does that have to do with it

[tropic crag]

Read up maybe

[onyx trellis]

I did

[mint swan]

Mana is basically a tech rocket ship that doesn’t even need element

[onyx trellis]

Mana isn't that op

[mint swan]

I agree

Not op towards people at the same level of progression

[onyx trellis]

Not op at all

[mint swan]

But grieving is so easy with manas cuz they have no cost to use yk

[onyx trellis]

Yes definitely

Especially beach bobs..

[mint swan]

My argument is that they should have some sort of cost to use or be replaced with a tech engram that has the same versatility in terms of displacement but requires element so people don’t use it for grieving

[onyx trellis]

I like pretending to be a beach bob then pulling out a rocket launcher, i need that in ark 2

[mint swan]

LOL

[untold ingot]

Tek won't be a thing in ark2

[onyx trellis]

Bro they're shooting Ice, that isn't tek

[mint swan]

Basically a jet pack el o el

[mint swan]

W

[onyx trellis]

Unfortunately they are removing it, they best add some more primitive tools and make the game look better

[mint swan]

Then Manas won’t make it either

I’m happy now

🙏

[onyx trellis]

Like the attacking motion with a hatchet and pick looks terrible, it should be more like mining

[mint swan]

Merry Christmas

[untold ingot]

I really hope Manas don't come back lol

[mint swan]

Ong

[onyx trellis]

I want manas in Ark 2, they are amazing

[mint swan]

Tech rifle take down mana, with no tech

[onyx trellis]

Just take some of their power away thats all

[mint swan]

There should be no mana

[onyx trellis]

Why not

[untold ingot]

It's their speed that is the issue imo

[mint swan]

Yeah

[onyx trellis]

What about the giga

[mint swan]

And nerfing the speed would make them arbitrary to their sole@purpose

[onyx trellis]

They don't need to be that fast, its their Ice attack that makes them

[untold ingot]

The issue with gigas is that they are the uncontested melee machines

[mint swan]

Yeah there needs to be an end of the food chain in other words

the king

[onyx trellis]

There's an issue with most of the game, i hope they fix most of it

[mint swan]

yeah

Meshing 👺

[onyx trellis]

Mhm, and just the landscapes in general

[untold ingot]

There needs to be some balance to the food chain lol

[mint swan]

Fair enough lol

[onyx trellis]

I would wait another two years if it would guarantee the games code would actually be good

[mint swan]

raiding need to be made harder some how

[onyx trellis]

There needs to be more traps

[mint swan]

TRUUU

or defence Dinos

[untold ingot]

I think more durable structures, no cryos and nerfed fliers will do this

[mint swan]

yeah maybe like a nerfed version of the cryp

[onyx trellis]

Like in ark two since they're going for more primitive, we need more traps that are primitive

[untold ingot]

Something that isn't mobile lol

[mint swan]

yeah

[onyx trellis]

Let the turrets destroy a cryo before it reaches the ground

[mint swan]

Or just make the cryos harder and more expensive to make

[untold ingot]

I personally would like to see ark without turrets 😅😅

[onyx trellis]

Nah, the turret concept is very interesting

[untold ingot]

Maybe have several types of plants or something, but I don't want metal bases with futuristic turrets

[onyx trellis]

I want to be able to evolve to metal

[mint swan]

Yeah turrets are too entangled with the game to be taken out

[onyx trellis]

Its all about progression to me

I think they will remove them in Ark 2

[untold ingot]

There is a lot of progression that can be explored that isn't involved in the race to lvl 100 that ark currently is

[onyx trellis]

I really need things that can be made to show progress, like your first man-made gun

[onyx trellis]

Bro its basically all about leveling up your bases to stone, and having later engrams, thats progression

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I am just saying that auto turrets don't have to be the measure of progress

[onyx trellis]

They aren't really

[mint swan]

Yk how I’m the first ark trailer there was like villages and everyone lived together as a tribe, that’s what brought me to the game, as much as raiding is fun lol it shouldn’t be the main concept of the game

[onyx trellis]

That's Pvp

[untold ingot]

I mean, in pvp, everything is about hitting lvl 100, and putting heavies, then doing a boss and putting up tek. There is no early or middle game other than that

I want to see that change

[onyx trellis]

Ahh ok I totally agree

[mint swan]

YES BUT FIGHTING OUTSIDE BASE>destroying base yk

[onyx trellis]

😂

There needs to be a concept of coliseums where everyone fights in pvp

[mint swan]

LOL FR

[untold ingot]

Totally agree. There needs to be more actual pvp, and less ratting in holes in the walls offlining everyone and everything

[onyx trellis]

Instead of just wrecking a base and that being the end of it. Don't get me started on how annoying offline raiding is tbh

[mint swan]

Exactly

[onyx trellis]

I like the concept of raiding at night because it's like they're asleep or away from the base but, offline raiding is just weird

[mint swan]

Yeah and not even fun tbh

[onyx trellis]

There should be more customization to.. everything

[mint swan]

nat that I’ve done it 👺

[onyx trellis]

I've actually never offline raided

[mint swan]

Same

I don’t even raid

Just do my job as zoo keeper lmao

[onyx trellis]

I think raiding should only exist for alpha tribes only

[mint swan]

my sole@purpose in every tribe is dinos

[untold ingot]

I like raiding, it's a blast, but it is overdone and less fun than it could be

[mint swan]

OUUU

[onyx trellis]

My sole purpose is the build up, I don't want a tribe that's already built, otherwise there's nothing only I can do to act help

[untold ingot]

It's pvp, there is no such thing as being already built, there is always stuff to do lol

[onyx trellis]

There could be the ability to dig underground, and an engram to allow walls that are planted deep enough so players can't dig underneath

[untold ingot]

Although tbf, on smalls it does get boring when you hit the top and there is nowhere to go

[mint swan]

Hear me out: the same way a player levels up, the whole tribe should have a level, and at a certain level they unlock certain things, engrams for base building, and at a certain level only they can raid and also be raided, so only tribes at a certain progression can raid or be raided

[untold ingot]

It could be cool, but that would be really really lag inducing

[onyx trellis]

It wouldn't be that hard

[untold ingot]

Could be fun, but it would have to heavily scale based on player count in the tribe

[onyx trellis]

Meant to reply to this, making a way to dig small tunnels would not really induce lag, just make the shovel that's used really hard to make

[mint swan]

Yeah that could be fixed by only letting the levels start once the tribe has a certain number of members

[untold ingot]

It would be hard lol, because it would exponentially increase the size of the save file

[onyx trellis]

Get rid of the noteruns.

[onyx trellis]

Bro its a small factor compared to massive undergrowd places

[mint swan]

I just did one tdy 😭

[untold ingot]

The cuts out a whole crew of solos and duos though

[onyx trellis]

I've done many noteruns

[mint swan]

Hmm fair

I messed mine up tho cuz I died twice

[onyx trellis]

Make servers for solos and duos

[mint swan]

Smart

[onyx trellis]

Wouldn't be that hard because the game is still being made i think

[mint swan]

Yeah

where the devs at lmao

[untold ingot]

That would be epic, unfortunately it's too easy to raid in ark1 so it wouldn't work at all

If they make changes to ark2 it could

[mint swan]

Yeah fr

[onyx trellis]

The reason its so easy is because turrets don't shoot as much as they should

[mint swan]

a tribe level system is acc so perfect

[untold ingot]

I depends on what that would entail

[untold ingot]

Hmm, not really, explosives are too op, and healers are broken

[onyx trellis]

Let turrets shoot the explosives

[untold ingot]

With a tamed stego and a snow owl you can basically raid anything lol

[mint swan]

U unlock stuff like turrets and base defence/offence engrams with tribe levels rather than player levels

[untold ingot]

They do

[onyx trellis]

Oh

Like all explosives?

[untold ingot]

That's a bit iffy

[onyx trellis]

Even a rocket?

[untold ingot]

Yeah

[onyx trellis]

I would rather have player levels

[untold ingot]

Rockets, c4, grenades, tek bow explosive rounds, magmasuar spit

All get shot by auto turrets

[onyx trellis]

Very cool

[robust furnace]

you can still rush turrets with magmas

[onyx trellis]

Depends on how many turrets tho

[untold ingot]

Yeah, you can do a lot of things, c spin pt is probably my favorite still though lol

[onyx trellis]

Because a death wall means you aren't getting past it without tons of Stegos 😂

[mint swan]

Now we gotta add cryos to that list

[onyx trellis]

Definitely

[untold ingot]

Not really, most walls are cheesable because people don't know how to build them

[onyx trellis]

That's their fault

[untold ingot]

Would be too op. A single bullet deleting a bred leveled Dino. That would get removed so fast

[onyx trellis]

I disagree

[mint swan]

Cryo is just as op tho

there has to be some risk to using them yk

or make them@more expensive

[untold ingot]

They just need to not be a thing

[onyx trellis]

Wrecking a whole base just by having a dino is too op, should be removed by allowing auto turrets to target either cryos and tames, players, or just tames, or just players and tames

[mint swan]

ark 2 is gonna be toretto t-posing in the air

[onyx trellis]

But then you couldn't even transfer aquatic tames, that sounds terrible

[mint swan]

How u gonna move ur giga to ur air base

[mint swan]

This too

[untold ingot]

You don't. If you want to be a rat, then you should be limited to rat tames imo.

As for water tames, yeah there would need to be something done about that

[mint swan]

ark 2 the day of release is gonna be falling through the map as t-posing toretto

[mint swan]

what abt platforms, become useless cuz u can’t take tamed up there

[onyx trellis]

Bro, what about icthy or wtv, you couldn't even get your dolphin out without cryopodding it

Especially on Crystal Isles

[untold ingot]

You would need a large Dino pen or something

[untold ingot]

Ci has the easiest water drops thougj

[onyx trellis]

What?

[past wind]

One thing that will re-balance pvp is not having cryopods

[mint swan]

there should be tiers of cryos for different tiers of Dinos and bigger Dino cryos cost more

[onyx trellis]

Its not just about getting drops for me, its about the game developers allowing them to get stuck in small rivers

[untold ingot]

Yeah, we are discussing the implications of that

[onyx trellis]

Yes, this makes sense

[past wind]

Yeah. Rat roles should be left for the rats. 😂

[mint swan]

Fr like kibble but cryo version lol

[onyx trellis]

Why is the concept of rat holes relevant

[untold ingot]

I would prefer immobile structures, rather than a mobile pod

[untold ingot]

Because that and caves is where bases get build

[onyx trellis]

Get rid of rat holes

[robust furnace]

its impossible to patch out all of em

[untold ingot]

You can't do that without some significant changes to how pvp works

[mint swan]

U mean so u can only summon the Dino to ur base but can’t rlly Pokémon em

[onyx trellis]

It definitely isn't

[mint swan]

That’s fair

[past wind]

Totally agreed

[onyx trellis]

Its a new generation console, they can't definitely check every section of the map for rat holes, and fix their game

[untold ingot]

It kind of is, but you have to make a distinction between ratholes and mesh holes

[past wind]

That would also put a rest to mega tribes suddenly singing other players bases lol

[onyx trellis]

No it isn't impossible

[untold ingot]

Rat holes in large part are intended, mesh holes get patched