ark-2

[past wind]

I didn’t see that anywhere

[stray elm]

Yes, yes it has my man

[true spear]

Where?

[stray elm]

If you read the steampage, our story and Santiago's is seperated

[royal nebula]

Nice

[past wind]

He’s saying we are playing as Santiago, my man

That’s not confirmed anywhere

[true spear]

Can you ping me and link the article?

[stray elm]

Yeah, it has been confirmed to be that we're not Santiago

[true spear]

Can you link the steampage article?

Plz

[stray elm]

Just look it up on steam

[past wind]

My answer to him was denying we will play as Santiago…

[stray elm]

Then why did you say it's unconfirmed?

[past wind]

He said someone said we would be playing as Santiago and I said there’s no such statement from the devs

[stray elm]

But there is, on the steampage.

[past wind]

😂

[bold juniper]

Bruh

It would be a waste of an engine to be stuck as one character

[stray elm]

"Starring Vin Diesel ("Riddick") as legendary ARK hero Santiago, experience an epoch-spanning adventure as he seeks to protect his daughter Meeka -- voiced by Auli'i Cravalho ("Moana") -- from the ghosts of the ancient past and visions of a new future."

"you must piece together the history of how you arrived there, team-up with legendary heroes, and confront powerful dark forces seeking to control the fate of all life."

Santiago/Vin already knows how they got here.
'team-up with legendary heroes' what they mean is Vin-Diesel, and possibly others.

[bold juniper]

Such as BOB

I hope

[royal nebula]

I just hope the game is good

Like really good

[bold juniper]

I’ve been practicing with Conan exiles for this

[stray elm]

I hope it staying primitive wont kill the game

[bold juniper]

I just hope the game doesn’t have a brain dead weapon like the daggers

In Conan

[royal nebula]

I atleast want guns or something, no tek is understandable for story reasons and player feedback, but it being completely sticks and stones seems silly to me

[bold juniper]

Cross bow at the highest

[royal nebula]

Atleast a industrial tier

[bold juniper]

No

[stray elm]

Story-reasons, it makes no sense.
Player feedback is another weird one. Cause while I've seen people be happy over it, I've also seen a lot more people pissed over tek being removed.

[royal nebula]

Being sticks and stones makes it no different to 26 other survival games other then the Dino’s

[bold juniper]

I mean industrial at the absolute highest

[stray elm]

And kind of ruins what made ARK unique.

[bold juniper]

But guns is the same thing tek is to the current game

[royal nebula]

Industrial should be a end game if anything but I think it should exist

[iron sequoia]

I am one of the people mad about no tek
I love it
Well not mad just upset

[royal nebula]

I don’t really mind if it stays or not

[bold juniper]

Tek is meh

It’s to much of a requirement to live

[stray elm]

Tek as a concept of a sci-fi tier could've been cool.
If it wasn't ruined by how inbalanced it was.

[royal nebula]

Someone will probably mod tek anyways

[bold juniper]

That’s why Conan is better

[royal nebula]

The mods for this game will be crazy

[stray elm]

Sure, sure.
But that's not a official content.

[iron sequoia]

I want my skiff in ark2 lol

[stray elm]

Like how first-person is going to be moddable, but not official.

[bold juniper]

Eww skiff

[royal nebula]

Yeah but it’s a lot better now tho cause even console can have them

[stray elm]

'eh'

[iron sequoia]

That’s an official problem
Unofficial life gona be vibing

[bold juniper]

Console is till gonna way down mods

[lavish rain]

Tek survival need to exist

That's what gen2 tried to do

[royal nebula]

To me it wouldn’t make much sense if a industrial tier didn’t exist, cause why wouldn’t the people on this planet have one when they have a knowledge to do it

Element and tek makes more sense to not have cause it like destroyed earth or whatever

[stray elm]

It also doesn't, since its shown in Genesis-2 that if element is used right and regulated. It's harmless.

[royal nebula]

That’s true but what did they have to do originally to get to that stage

[stray elm]

What'd you mean by that?

[lavish rain]

Where it's harmful

[lavish rain]

Century long global tek war

[royal nebula]

Like did they have to get to the stage that destroys everything, to get to the stage that doesn’t

Or can they skip that stage now and go to the non harmful tek

[stray elm]

Oooh, right.
That's unconfirmed of how corruption actually starts. We only know tek-based stuff will spread spores.
But the most likely theory of corruption is "it got pissed that we kept burning it alive for fuel" or "it adapted to human nature of being a killing machine"

[stray elm]

It being harmless isn't a stage. It's a process of how you regulate it.

Also, the 'dark forces to seek to control all life' in the steampage sounds kind of like corruption.

I just realized this whole talk is basically the misconceptions with nuclear-energy.

[royal nebula]

Yes

We won’t get full on tek but do you think we will get even a little, like tek scrap parts for weapons or something

[mellow wadi]

i hope there’s not too much dark souls like combat.

[royal nebula]

The Dino combat sounds very cool

[stray elm]

We might get full tek later on. 🤷
They stated 'no tek for ARK-2' not for future DLC's

[royal nebula]

Like I said, I don’t mind tek

[stray elm]

But salvaged-tek to ease into the process of having tek again would be cool.

[royal nebula]

It’s a cool concept done right tho, and I feel like if it’s done right it can make a lot of people happy

Even if you didn’t like tek before it could be just not as useful while still being a advanced sci fi material

[mellow wadi]

Where did they state no tek?

[royal nebula]

A very long time ago I’m pretty sure

[stray elm]

The community-crunch the week after Genesis-2 came out

[mellow wadi]

oh damn.

[royal nebula]

You just know everything off the top of your head lol

[stray elm]

It's my favorite tier being scrapped due to poor balancing.

[royal nebula]

Like I was saying before if it’s done right then I don’t see the problem, they just went a little overboard with it in ark 1

[stray elm]

Yep.

They had so many opportunities to balance it.

[royal nebula]

It was completely fine before extinction id say

[stray elm]

Fuck, the dinopithicus could've been the tek-killer if they didn't limit the shit-parasites to the tek-suit and turrets.

[stray elm]

No, cause there was barely anyway to counter it.

[royal nebula]

All I remember was element being able to spoil and could only stack in 20

[stray elm]

True.
I hated those days

[royal nebula]

Yeah that was awful but I remember it lol

[stray elm]

They have this old concept art of a unused creature, that looked like a thorny dragon but had electricity through it's body.
They could've done something like that, that emits a EMP blast that disables all tek-based stuff for 5-seconds.

5-seconds to fuck over a tek-suit dude. And 5-seconds to run into a base before the forcefield starts.

[royal nebula]

Do you know where I can see this concept art?

[stray elm]

Hang on, I'll send it in fanart

Let me find it

[stray elm]

Obviously when I'm trying to find it, I can't

[tropic crag]

I've said this a thousand times and I'll say it a thousand more:

PRIMARILY PRIMITIVE ≠ ENTIRELY PRIMITIVE

[tropic crag]

This is also entirely false, element used in any way is a risk to life, there is no "used right and regulated". The ship only furthered that fact by proving that, even half way across the galaxy, corruption can take hold and put all life at risk

[stray elm]

The corruption was due to Rockwell, not element itself.
The soil of Eden is littered with element, and the stryders regulate it.
And yet, it's still fine

[tropic crag]

The soil in the ship was littered with element, we don't know the change in element levels in the soil since those notes were written. And the fact that Rockwell even made it there in the first place was due to what, I wonder?

[stray elm]

The transmitter Helena left open

[tropic crag]

Which was made of?

[stray elm]

Tek.
That's like blaming Uranium for Chernobyl, and not the incompetent workers.

[tropic crag]

Humans can't use tek/element in a way that doesn't put all known life at risk, either way

So it is the workers' fault lol

In a roundabout way

[stray elm]

Right.
But that's humanities fault, not element/Uranium.

[tropic crag]

Ok, and? We play as humans, do we not?

[onyx hemlock]

guys, have you seen that there is a release date for ark 2? if you look it up on CDkeys

[tropic crag]

Therefore, element isn't good for us, right?

[stray elm]

Your point is that element itself is a risk to life.
Which is false. Humanity is a risk to life.

[onyx hemlock]

i mean, with ark being ark, it isn't very promising, but it's something

[past wind]

You mean 12/2023? Just a placeholder

Means nothing

[onyx hemlock]

its 31 jan

[stray elm]

I call sus

[onyx hemlock]

2023

[past wind]

Where can I see it?

[split dove]

unless it's from wildcard themselves i don't trust anything ark 2 related

[tropic crag]

It's not coming out in January 🤣

Get real

[onyx hemlock]

just look up ark 2 on CDKeys, its says the release date

[tropic crag]

(Or get fake, idc)

[onyx hemlock]

yeah, ark is ark, but

[stray elm]

CDKeys is a unofficial site that isn't supported by the actual devs of games

[onyx hemlock]

its weird

yeah ig, but stil

[past wind]

Just saw, seems to be a place holder

[stray elm]

Whatever release dates they put down is bullshit

[royal nebula]

I hope so, also how have you been

[onyx hemlock]

alr

[tropic crag]

Good, just stemming the tide, as it were. Wish I had the strength to just dip for a few months like you did 😂

[royal nebula]

I only had the strength cause we got nothing for awhile lol

[tropic crag]

Fair

[royal nebula]

We talked about the same stuff everyday lol

[tropic crag]

Yeah, it's been that way more or less for a while now, but occasionally there's someone asking for info and I try to answer it if I can, or refer them to the pins

But usually it's just large-scale debates over shit we already talked about, from the Steam page or otherwise 😅

[onyx hemlock]

also, they might show gameplay of ark 2 next week sometime, not entirely sure, but they did say next time they will show gameplay, and next week there is a pc gaming award show or smth, and it contains ark 2

[tropic crag]

IF and only if they themselves are presenting Ark 2 there should we actually expect any gameplay, otherwise it'll just be some PCGamer nerd talking about the Steam page and currently released info

[royal nebula]

If we don’t get it next week then we will probably get it in December

[onyx hemlock]

yea

[royal nebula]

So either way, not far away

[tropic crag]

Yeah, Game Awards is the next best bet imo

[onyx hemlock]

yea

it would be nice if they did next week tho

[royal nebula]

My expectations are high, I just hope the game looks good and I want people who don’t play ark to also agree

[onyx hemlock]

exactly

i'm also a little

curios, i might say

[royal nebula]

Their will be a lot of people bashing it tho cause it’s not coming to PlayStation at first

[onyx hemlock]

about the third person, and the souls combat

[tropic crag]

That's why I doubt they'll show it in just some stream or CC, purely for the exposure

Would be a waste otherwise

[royal nebula]

Yeah that’s what I said to someone earlier

[onyx hemlock]

true

with me already played a couple souls games, it would be really interesting to see souls combat in ark

[royal nebula]

Just hope my 1660ti can handle the game

[onyx hemlock]

we all hope

[split dove]

Ced said that it won't be for everyone, but let's be honest no game will ever be for everyone

[royal nebula]

It lowkey might just run better then ark 1

Ark 1 optimization is a mess

[tropic crag]

Perhaps, but the requirements I see increasing to compensate 100%

[royal nebula]

A 1660 should be good id think

[onyx hemlock]

yeah

[royal nebula]

I would hope you don’t need some nasa pc to play the game

[onyx hemlock]

probs, but running it with mods probably won't hold, like primal fear for ark 1 XD

that thing is a pc destroyer

[past wind]

Raasclark said here in this channel he talked to some devs (didn’t say who) and they have told him they didn’t even know about that showcase next week.

Which makes me think they won’t have anything new to show there

[tropic crag]

Yeah, hence the apprehension

[onyx hemlock]

we'll see

[tropic crag]

But maybe it was just misdirection, who knows

[royal nebula]

Game awards is bigger

I think it would be shown there if anything

Cause a ton of people watch that

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

[royal nebula]

So close yet so far away

[onyx hemlock]

sons of the forest will be there, and, it's kinda big, so maybe the devs take it as something important, and they might show it there

we're still getting gameplay till the end of 2022

[past wind]

We don’t know

The only info we have is next thing they will share will be gameplay 😂

[split dove]

never said it would be this year 😂

[tropic crag]

I'd say it's a 50/50 on getting it before new years, tbh

[onyx hemlock]

prob more

lately they've been giving us so much info about ark 2

like from week to week

[tropic crag]

We just don't know enough because it's the hype building phase and, on top of that, we've proven as a community that we hate it when they give us updates on things

[onyx hemlock]

so i'd say, in not too much time, we'll get that gameplay

[past wind]

No they are not 😂

[royal nebula]

Feel like it’s a 90% chance they show it at game awards

That’s where they announced the game right

[onyx hemlock]

maybe a little lower

[past wind]

Before the anky concept art, last info was from Pax West

[royal nebula]

Their are websites saying the “predicted recommended requirements” for ark 2, anyone know if these would be nearly accurate at all

[onyx hemlock]

hard to say

[tropic crag]

Doubt it

[thick moat]

It was xbox bethesda games no?

on June

[onyx hemlock]

no, i meant like hints, not posts or concepts

[tropic crag]

Pax West was sooner

[onyx hemlock]

they just keep realising small things like that

[thick moat]

i don't remember them saying anything there

[past wind]

No, in September (I think) Jeremy and Jesse talked a little about Ark 2 on the stream.

[thick moat]

ohh right, with Gareth and all that

u are right

[past wind]

Yes

[onyx hemlock]

i still think that there's good odds we see gameplay next week

also which day exactly is the award? it doesn't say

[thick moat]

8th of dec

and they said on the latest CC turkey trials ends the 7th, so my bet is Game Awards

[onyx hemlock]

no

i meant the pc gaming show

yk the one on ark 2 steam page

[thick moat]

yeah it's pretty vague, it's the 17th

[onyx hemlock]

oh right

[royal nebula]

Oh early December, nice

[onyx hemlock]

i thought the pc gaming show was next week

[split dove]

it is, the game awards is next month

[onyx hemlock]

oh

so then, the gameplay is next week or next month

im confused

[thick moat]

PC Gaming Show is the 17th of this month
Game Awards is the 8th of December

[tropic crag]

We have no idea when the gameplay is, lol

[thick moat]

I wish we would

[onyx hemlock]

well since they said next time, and pc gaming show is sooner

i'd say they put gameplay on both

or maybe just the first

it wouldn't make sense to have new content on pc gaming show, and then not show it in the awards too

[tropic crag]

We don't even know if they'll be presenting at the PCGamer showcase

Or at the Game Awards

[onyx hemlock]

yea

[obsidian raft]

ill bet u prolly need a minimum of gtx 1050 and a 3050 as recommended

[royal nebula]

A 3050 as recommended, depressing

[thick moat]

ark 2 is next gen after all

unless the optimization is extremely good with the new engine... it's probably gonna be that way

[blissful perch]

the game is meant to take major use of the highest end UE5 kit capabilities...it won't be running on potatoes

[thick moat]

i heard somewhere that if you can run ark 1, you will be able to do so with ark 2

because of the nanite and the new things ue5 brings

[blissful perch]

that...can't be true given ark 1 at this point can run on some pretty awful hardware

just by reading all the features of ark 2, I have a very hard time believing it can run on minimum ark 1 specs...there's so much complexity promised

[thick moat]

yeah but UE5 may surprise us

[blissful perch]

UE5 may enable mid ark 1 specs to run ark 2 for sure

or it may enable brutally performance intensive crap like mega bases to hurt less...but idk. The rise in complexity from ark 1 to 2 seems too big to not require better hardware

remember, there's stuff like dynamic water flow, multiple senses on each creature, global events like migrations...whatever complex AI aratai are using...it just seems like a LOT of performance need

[thick moat]

true actually

i was only thinking abt graphics being more optimized but still looking clean

but yeah when u add all other complex features...

[blissful perch]

yea my hope is that my 2080 will be ok lol

[vivid meadow]

I just say one thing, if with the atlas the wild card has not learned, ark 2 will not be as good as ark 1 jajaja

[blissful perch]

my thinking is that WC did learn after atlas

[thick moat]

wildcard didnt make atlas

and it was a copy paste from ark 1

ARK 2 is new from the ground up for sure

[blissful perch]

"ark ocean" tells me WC made a large part of if not all of atlas, at least the initial release

[thick moat]

yeah now it's very different, but still the base is ark reskinned

[vivid meadow]

And because when the game launched, could you even use spawn ark codes? jajajja

[blissful perch]

I think atlas has definitely turned from garbage to playable over the years

I don't like it, and think it's far inferior to ark, but that's just me

[thick moat]

I feel exactly the same about it, I don't dislike the ideas they are doing, but it doesn't feel as good as ark

[blissful perch]

I think sea of thieves does what atlas does better, and what both games don't do, ark does

[vivid meadow]

I hope ark 2 is as good as ark 1, this stop changing gameplay to 3 person and still style dark souds and shooting in the foot.

[blissful perch]

third person is actually a great move if it's MHW style

[thick moat]

they said on a Community crunch they are trying to make ark 2 what we all wanted ARK 1 to be, other than the third person lmao

[blissful perch]

the third person imo is required if you want mantling/movement/combat to be more mechanically interesting or complex

[thick moat]

yeah and with what Ced said on twitter, im hopeful I will like it

[blissful perch]

I really didn't like elden ring, but I think that was because of the open world unclear RPG rather than the third person or combat

[vivid meadow]

I saw him commenting on twitter about it.

[thick moat]

I got addicted to Elden Ring and poured so much hours into it when it came out, so ill probably like the combat

[blissful perch]

I wanted to like elden ring, but I was so lost on what to equip or how long to grind or where to put stats. I can't blame the game, I just didn't enjoy it. Perhaps it was a bad first souls game for me

[stray elm]

The open-world was pretty clear to me

Though I've also always played the souls games. So I'm not sure if you're new

[thick moat]

I just went with the flow tbh

• I liked the world setting and the objective to get to the erdtree, but yeah we should change topic, admins watching hehe

[stray elm]

You can also put your points into anything.
There's no set builds in the game you should strive for. Do what you want to level up

[blissful perch]

I didn't know what half the stats were practically doing for me

[stray elm]

It tells you in their description.

[blissful perch]

at least the simple stats in ark were clear

[blissful perch]

I can read that, but I had no sense of how that was impacting my gameplay

[stray elm]

You don't know how vitality would impact the game?

The skill that levels your health

[blissful perch]

the single most clear stat was clear, yes

[stray elm]

Or strength

The stat that increases melee damage, and how much you can have on you

[blissful perch]

strength is a great example of an unclear stat...is it worth leveling for carrying stuff or damage? What strength is acceptable for certain fights? 🤷‍♂️

[stray elm]

Strength increases all melee weapons.
So if you're using a sword, then big number means big damage

[ripe cedar]

It lets you see the increase before you apply the stats anyway, I never really had an issue figuring out what stat helped with what

[stray elm]

Right, the stats it'll increase turns blue when you add the levels (not apply)

[blissful perch]

I can read numbers, but I had no sense of the value of said numbers

[stray elm]

You have no value of "damage"

[blissful perch]

what does 13 versus 15 actually DO for me in gameplay? If an enemy has 15 hp, that's a big jump. If it has 1,000 though, the change is trivial

I'd rather spend the point on more stam or vitality if the increase doesn't change how I play

[stray elm]

Then do.

Also iirr, the 15 is a percentage based thing.
So you do 15% more damage with any melee weapons.

So like a weapon that only does 5 damage, you'll only get like probably able to do 6 damage out of it.
But a weapon that does like 700 damage will now do like 800.

[blissful perch]

I never read that from anything ingame, but that supports heavy leveling in vitality and other stats over strength in the early game

again, poor clarity to new players

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, it's good to level vitality at the beginning.
But all I have to say is "Git Gud"

[blissful perch]

how to identify a souls player step 1: any game criticism is met with "git gud"

[stray elm]

Yep

[blissful perch]

I didn't quit because I was dying too much, I quit because I was confused and bored

[stray elm]

Just like the IGN reviewers.

[blissful perch]

they got stuck on the cuphead tutorial XD

[thick moat]

ahhaaha idk if that's still real

[stray elm]

Yes.
And your stuck on the leveling up screen.

[stray elm]

Sadly, it was.

[thick moat]

lul

[blissful perch]

hung up is more accurate. I quit games with mechanics I don't jive with

[stray elm]

Fair.

But Git Gud

[blissful perch]

u right

[stray elm]

Get back to the game, and show those fucking stats who's the Daddy around these parts

[blissful perch]

I will continue to bore myself to please the souls community 🙏

[stray elm]

Fun fact: Same motherfucker that couldn't get past the cuphead tutorial couldn't fucking make simple platforming skill in DOOM Eternal

[blissful perch]

not shocking

I suspect IGN ark 2 reviewers will die to a beach dilo and say the new combat is too hard

[stray elm]

Both times he gave the game a negative review due to his own stupity.

You see, I also don't jive with some mechanics in games. But I'll admit that I'm being fucking dumb.
I wont blame the game for my low IQ

[blissful perch]

I blame a game that isn't a direct sequel that predicates mechanical understanding on players having played previous games

I don't jive with hollow knight's mechanics, but respect them and think the game is great

[stray elm]

Ahh, but that's the thing.
Elden Ring 'is' a sequel.
Just a non-canonical spiritual successor sequel.

[blissful perch]

in the same way MHW is a sequel?

[stray elm]

MHW is canon, but yes.

[blissful perch]

so elden ring is garbage in this way then lol, since MHW does a great job clearly explaining mechanics

😂

[stray elm]

Ahh, but it's canon.
That's the difference.

[blissful perch]

that means...nothing?

[iron sequoia]

[split dove]

[blissful perch]

If it's not canon, does that not make a larger obligation to explain mechanics? Take ark 2: WC may be able to assume ark 2 players are aware of ark 1 mechanics

[stray elm]

I'm using soul-community logic on you.
Ain't my words, just what the community wills it to be.

[blissful perch]

souls-community makes ark community look good...imagine gate keeping a singleplayer game 😂 . Not even ark players do that. They just gate keep pvp

[stray elm]

To be fair, there is some stuff that's just flatout dumb that people have suggested.
Like an 'easy' mode for soul games.
That would defeat the purpose.

[blissful perch]

agree an easy mode would be stupid, 100%. None of my complaints have to do with overall difficulty

[stray elm]

But a better tutorial is would be more beneficial then dumb.

But to be fair, I can say the same with ARK.
While the 'have' a tutorial, it's pretty shitty.

[blissful perch]

ark tutorial is certainly not the shining gold standard lol

ark 2 will definitely need a more clear tutorial that's available for folks to learn how to do stuff

[split dove]

Wait ark 1 has a tutorial? 🧐

[stray elm]

Yes, and it's shit

The guide menu

[stray elm]

I'd love if they gave us an introduction quest for ARK-2.
Vin finds us in a wreckage, and gives us the basics of everything.

"Wake the fuck up Survivor. We got a native species to burn"

[iron sequoia]

Huuuh didn’t know that
Learn something knew every day lol

[split dove]

I knew it would be a cyberpunk meme

[blissful perch]

I'm fine with that BUT I am aware that some folks want to just jump in...so I do feel it's gonna have to be optional

[iron sequoia]

Dramatic ark music plays at full volume

[stray elm]

It should 100% be optional.
Possibly a checkmark in the creation-menu whether or not you want to go through the 'introduction quest'

[iron sequoia]

"Wake the fuck up Survivor. We got a native species to burn and a family to save”

[stray elm]

to starve*

[iron sequoia]

Na you don’t do that to family

[stray elm]

Cause our crusade will starve the ones we love. But it's alright cause 'family'

[split dove]

"Wake the fuck up Survivor, we got natives to enslave and a planet to conquer"

[stray elm]

I'm still gonna be pissed if they make the natives out to be the true badguys, and nothing but creatures that deserve to be killed.

[blissful perch]

i wouldn't mind if the natives are corrupted or are working with the dark forces

but just "evil because alien" is not my style

[split dove]

If anything we're the bad guys lol, invading a planet and killing the native life to replace it with our own. No wonder they'd try to wipe us out

[stray elm]

It's America all over again

[split dove]

Ah shit, here we go again

[royal nebula]

I think a 2080 or 2060 would be the recommended, and minimum would be way different like a 980 for very very lowest of settings

[iron sequoia]

Mhm

[blissful perch]

well unless we learned about what happened post extinction, we're kinda fugitives

since our "home" was wiped out by our own mismanagement

[stray elm]

None the less, literally going to a planet and starting to kill their natives isn't justified.

[royal nebula]

Technically we are the aliens

[stray elm]

Fuck, I wanna drink a fucking barrels worth of root-beer

@blissful perch Can you buy me a keg of root-beer?

[blissful perch]

well no, but there is a wee bit of "survival of the fittest" taking place in interspecies conflict

[iron sequoia]

If they kill my dodo I’d blow the fuking planet up
It’s very justified

[stray elm]

W-w...wait....but we're on the planet.

[blissful perch]

[iron sequoia]

No mercy

[split dove]

I'm blowing everyone up for rodolfo

[blissful perch]

spoiler: Classified IS the dark forces...the dodo who perished marked the end of Arat

[stray elm]

We're humanity, we fucking make dogs out of alligators, sharks, and fucking centipedes.
Trying to befriend a alien species should be no challenge, unless they just want nothing but blood.

And I'm talking about those animals in real life, not in ARK

[iron sequoia]

[blissful perch]

...I'm sorry we make Dogs out of sharks?

we have by no means domesticated any of the three animals you describe

[stray elm]

Look up 'belly rubbing sharks'
Also, they have onpar intelligence to wolfs.

[stray elm]

Domestication isn't what I'm talking about

[blissful perch]

sharks are intelligent, but that's not the same as domestication

[stray elm]

I'm talking about befriending

[blissful perch]

befriending is inconsistent with many animals. The man who befriended almost 40-50 bears died by being mauled by a bear

[stray elm]

Yes, cause they have personalities.

If the Aratai are the same. Then there's a few handful of Aratai's that can be befriended.

[iron sequoia]

Omg lmfao

[stray elm]

Cutest shit I've ever seen

[blissful perch]

and ofc, befriending and coexisting are not always the same. We befriend sharks and bears at times but we do NOT build cities with them

[stray elm]

Zoos

[blissful perch]

entrapment is not coexisting

[split dove]

You might not, but I do

[blissful perch]

unless you want to coexist with aratai by locking them in cages

[split dove]

Ah the old times back again

[stray elm]

It's coexisting if that's all they know

[stray elm]

My inner PvP side is telling me 'yes'
But my moral self is telling me 'yes'
....wait.....

[robust furnace]

i feel like my r9 380 will become a fireball

[blissful perch]

likely stressed out and not acting normally. I'm not blaming the bear or the man

[stray elm]

Anyway, my point is "slavery is fine, as long as it's not with other humans and only other animals like rexes, raptors, or aratai's"

[blissful perch]

a very fasctinating take

[stray elm]

I just want my own Ara-homie

[iron sequoia]

[blissful perch]

I wouldn't mind neutral ties with Aratai, but I NEVER want them tamable

[split dove]

And burn Vindiago's village with them before his eyes

[tropic crag]

What an interdasting take indeed

[blissful perch]

keep me far away from cringe human NPCs. maybe some defector factions of aratai that help you attack other aratai but that's it

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, I can see how others will think that's weird.
And I'll settle with a faction/recruitment system instead of slavery.

[iron sequoia]

I think a shifting Alliance would be cool

So you could do something to make them trust you but doing something else like killing one of them break it and have them turn on you

[stray elm]

I just like the idea of humanoid NPC's that help you with human-based tasks.
Whatever they are, I couldn't care less

[blissful perch]

oh nooo I fell asleep

^that's me with human NPCs

[stray elm]

Like the cuphead reviewer.

[blissful perch]

no, they were sweating the whole time they were losing that tutorial 😂

[stray elm]

You're sweating in your sleep

[split dove]

It will take him 1 year to get past the tutorial for ark 2

[stray elm]

That's being generious

[split dove]

Let's be honest it would take them 20 years

And 300 to finish the game

[blissful perch]

Vin: "you...good? I just asked if you were ready for adventure"

[split dove]

He takes 5 business days per attack

[stray elm]

"Shut the fuck up Vin!" -while they pant from trying to figure out how to open the inventory.

[stray elm]

And takes 20% of your stocks per damage

[untold ingot]

I mean having factions and alliances with npcs would make the game a lot more like a 4x type of thing. A 4x first person survival game would definitely be the first of its kind lol

[past wind]

If it was true, they would be releasing it for old gen consoles like the Xbox one

[untold ingot]

Old Gen consoles are technically compatible in theory, but it takes more work and a lot more upkeep for a minimal benefit

[thick moat]

yeah what I said is pretty stupid now that you say that haha

[untold ingot]

If its a computer, and can run Win10 or 11, it should work fine

[past wind]

It all depends on what you think is playable 😂

I mean… I’ve seen people playing Ark like if it was a really ugly cartoon, no clouds, black sky etc

[stray elm]

If you're able to load into a game, then it's playable

If you're running at 1-fps, then that's a skill issue

[untold ingot]

I mean, I get 20fps on ab if I use high settings. It's not pvpable, but it is playable

[past wind]

Min requirements will probably be closer to the series s specs

[royal nebula]

What lol

[stray elm]

My PC is probably ready in literally every field, but my gpu

[royal nebula]

You think that will be minimum

[stray elm]

I'm still rocking a good old GT 1030

[royal nebula]

I think minimum would be like a 980

And recommend would be like a 2060

[past wind]

Isn’t the 980 close to the rx 5500?!

[untold ingot]

I wish I had a 2060 lol

[stray elm]

I'm saving up for a 3060

[royal nebula]

I have a 1660ti, 2060 isn’t worth upgrading too for me

[untold ingot]

My ram is dead, so I have to get that first lol

[stray elm]

Ouch

[untold ingot]

It's a fair point, although I will say that a 2060 runs ark at 20 to 30 frames better than the 1660 ti

[royal nebula]

Yeah but Ark is a mess either way

[stray elm]

I also got a new psu, but I'm waiting to install that when I get my gpu cause I have a AK620 cpu fan. And that fucker is a pain to get in and out

[royal nebula]

A 2060 is better but if you have a 1660 the price isn’t worth it

For the boost it gives

[stray elm]

Yeah, I have a 1030. So anything is better.

[royal nebula]

I would hope a 1660 can run ark 2 fine, it’s a very popular graphics card

Not on the highest settings, but decent ones

[untold ingot]

Yeah, at this rate if you have a 1660, may as well save for the next cheap 40xx

[past wind]

It will, not on epic, but on medium it will

[untold ingot]

I would really hope it works well on medium shadows

[stray elm]

Hopefully a 3090 will become cheaper by that time

[untold ingot]

That would be cool

[royal nebula]

I already play ark 1 on medium-high and get like 60-80 fps, heavily depends on map tho

[untold ingot]

Yeah, same. I get 120 in the ocean on epic, but like 25 on ab on high

[stray elm]

If I get a 3090 instead, I wont need to upgrade for YEAARS

[royal nebula]

Ark 1 is optimized like a potato tho so it’s not a accurate comparison for ark 2 lol

[royal nebula]

Will the rest of your pc explode tho if you got a 3090

[untold ingot]

I mean, it might be, depending

[past wind]

I think GPUs might never go back to the prices pre-bitcoin, but they are cheaper than 2 years ago

[untold ingot]

Yeah, the prices are starting to go down again

[royal nebula]

I’ll probably upgrade to a 2080 if anything

[stray elm]

It shouldn't.
I have a b660M-A msu, i7 12700F cpu, and a soon to install RM750 psu

Also, I thought that was 4090's that where having the fire issues.

Cause the cables they came with are shit

[past wind]

Also, you might take a look at the cheaper 4xxx gpus, as they have the dlss 3 and I have a gut feeling Ark will have it. It doubles the fps.

[untold ingot]

Lol, imagine spending 2k on a gpu and being excited about playing minecraft, and then your pc lights on fire

[stray elm]

There wont be any cheaper 40-series anytime soon

It's taken the 3090 to finally start to go down in price.

[past wind]

Nah, next year, by the time Ark is closer to release, they will probably have announced or released the 4060

[stray elm]

Wait, so they're going backwards?

[past wind]

What do you mean?

[stray elm]

4090's are the newest

[untold ingot]

The 4060 isn't out yet, but it will be cheaper than a 3090 for sure

[stray elm]

So, they are going backwards?

[past wind]

They’ve always did that: first the top tier GPUs, then they release the mid and low tiers

[untold ingot]

No, it's not going backwards, the 40 is the Gen, the 60 is the quality of it you could say

[stray elm]

Ahhh

None the less, I'm probably still going to get a 30-series.

I have a 1030
I need something better

[past wind]

The 4070 ti will be equivalent, in raw power, to the 3090

But in games that have dlss 3, ir doubles the fps

[stray elm]

Then it'll be bought out and price gauged?

[untold ingot]

If it takes a year to get it, a 4060 will definitely be better than a 3090 imo. It'll be cheaper, with dlss 3 and will be roughly comparable to a 3090 if trends go normal

[royal nebula]

Will the 2080s price drop in about a year?

[past wind]

No idea about the pricing, because the they have “unlaunched” the 4080 and are probably relaunching it as 4070 ti and at a lower price I suppose

[untold ingot]

Maybe, but if you are spending that much, definitely go for a 30xx

Isn't the 4070 just a less ram version of the 4080 ?

[past wind]

Kinda

You know the 4080 12GB?!

Rumors say it’s coming back as 4070 Ti

[untold ingot]

I mean, I saw stuff on that briefly

[past wind]

Nvidia unlaunched it, because o of backlash

[stray elm]

And fires

[past wind]

And rumors say it will be back as 4070 ti

[past wind]

That’s the 90 😂

[untold ingot]

Yeah, all seven rich kids who could get one complained about it 🤣🤣🤣

[stray elm]

Where you not talking about the 4090?

[past wind]

Because it’s super expensive and too much for Ark 2

I bet a 4060 will run Ark 2 on epic @60fps

[stray elm]

No such thing as 'too much' with specs

[untold ingot]

You could run ark on 8k, except it won't work on 8k lol

You would still have trouble loading in a big base

[past wind]

Man, nowadays GPUs are limited by cpu. At some point you have a sleeping GPU waiting for the cpu

[fallow niche]

Because ark is potato and not in a good way lmao

[past wind]

Even more for Ark

[fallow niche]

I really hope 2 is more optimized

[stray elm]

True

You guys think a i7 12700f will be able to handle a 3060?

[past wind]

Sure

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it'll work fine

The only reason to get anything better than an i7 is if you are getting a xx90 or something

The recommended cpu is a i7 10700

[past wind]

Unless UE5 changes all concepts I have, you are totally right

[untold ingot]

Ue5 doesn't mess with hardware specs

At least not if it's made right

[past wind]

It supposedly uses more cores

But I have see it to believe

[untold ingot]

True, but a can use more cores is different from needing more cores

[past wind]

And more cores is the basic difference between the i9 and the i7

[past wind]

Ark is one of the games that hit hard one or two cores and doesn’t touch the other cores

If UE5 changes that 🤔

[untold ingot]

It'll still run fine on an i7. Unreal wouldn't alienate the majority of the gaming community by making it so their computers are incapable of running games

[thick moat]

im getting scared from the specs I searched on google that UE5 recommends lol

[untold ingot]

Yeah, if it doesn't come from unreals page, or from a specific game don't believe it

I could dm you a link to unreals recommended specs

[past wind]

Aren’t you looking for specs the devs will need to use UE5 dev kit? For the development of the games you need more than you would need to play the game.

Look

[thick moat]

ik ik

[past wind]

The series s hasn’t a superpowerful hardware

Ark 2 will run on it

[untold ingot]

They say a cpu with 2.5 ghz, so even an i3 should work, a directx 12 gpu, so basically anything newish, 8gb ram, and windows 10. I would bet ark2 has those as minimum recommended, but it'll work on most pcs that currently run ark

[thick moat]

ok im perfectly fine then

[stray elm]

Oh great, I have exactly 2.5 Ghz

[untold ingot]

You probably want to be as far above the baseline as you can, just for a better experience, but it should work

[stray elm]

I could always test with Cyberpunk, when I get that game.

If you can run that game on the highest, I'd assume you'd be able to play ARK-2 at least on the minimalist.

[untold ingot]

You have a i7 12700 right

[stray elm]

Yeah

12700F

'too many caps' it was fucking 4

FUCK

[untold ingot]

A 12700 should have a baseline of like 3.6 or something

[stray elm]

Oooooooh, sure so that works.
But the moment I add a ! the pot bot goes fucking craaaaaazy
Fuck off bot

FUCK!

W...w....what?

"FUCK!"

W......did the bot really just fucking troll me, and left?

[stray elm]

It's a 2.5 Ghz one.

It's an 'F' like I said.
Which are the cheaper ones

[untold ingot]

That seems weird. The 12700 should be able to reach 4.9ghz

[stray elm]

12700'f'

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's the benchmarks I looked at

[stray elm]

From what I'm seeing, it's 2.1

Oh, you might be thinking if you overclock it

Yeah, it's like 4.9 Ghz if you overclock it

[untold ingot]

Ah, I see. It's 2.1 base, so that's what it would idle at, but it can hit 4.9

[stray elm]

Yep.
'Max' turbo

Assuming you're looking at the Intel page also

[untold ingot]

You don't have to overclock to get that though, at least I don't think so

[stray elm]

'Max' would be overclocking

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it's baseline for doing things is 3.6ghz

[stray elm]

That's not the base, that's the efficient.

The performance-base is 2.1

[untold ingot]

Overclocking would take it over 4.9

[stray elm]

Right.

But the 'performance-base' is what they sell their cpu's as iirr

[untold ingot]

So yeah, in short your cpu will be more than capable lol

[stray elm]

Right, if I overclock it.

Which I need to install the psu if I do

[untold ingot]

Uh, no you don't need to overclock ot

[stray elm]

Cause a 4-pin cable would be fucking fried if I overclock it. 🤣

[stray elm]

Then what?

[untold ingot]

It'll work as is just fine, unless you are wanting to do it in 4k

Maybe even then

[stray elm]

Meh, overclocking never harms anything

[untold ingot]

It can

[stray elm]

Skill Issues

[tropic crag]

I've never once heard of an upside to overclocking

[stray elm]

Doesn't overclocking boost the performance of a hardware at the cost of it degrading faster?

[tropic crag]

Yeah, precisely

Literally a downside, just get better hardware jackass

[stray elm]

Why you calling me a jackass?

[tropic crag]

I wasn't

I was calling people who overclock jackasses

[stray elm]

You might've wanted to phrase that differently then.

[tropic crag]

Nope

Can confirm I said what I wanted in the way I wanted to

[stray elm]

Uh-huh.....

[tropic crag]

Your comprehension of my statement makes no difference to my intended phrasing

Or

In layman's terms

GIT GUD

[stray elm]

You said it wrong, and you should feel wrong

[tropic crag]

You read it wrong, and should feel wrong

[stray elm]

No U

[tropic crag]

Checkmate, atheists

[stray elm]

I will eat you

[thick moat]

🤨 SUS

[stray elm]

In all definitions

[distant fractal]

just curious i got the story mode pack thing i forgot what its called this will allow me to play ark 2 when it comes right?

[stray elm]

...story mode back?

Oh, you mean the Genesis-pass, or the Ultimate-Survivor edition?

[distant fractal]

yea so i bought that on steam so i will be able to play ark 2 when it comes right?

[stray elm]

No, that's only for ARK-1

[distant fractal]

so i need to buy a seprate pack for ark 2?

[stray elm]

You don't need a 'pack' to get a game.
When it's available for pre-order, or released, you'd be able to buy it separately.

[distant fractal]

ight thx

[royal nebula]

Oh then I’m fine I think

I have a ryzen 7 3700x
a GTX 1660ti
16GB of ram

My bad for the ping, ain’t mean to do that

[obsidian raft]

thatll be fine for sure aint no way u gonna need mid tier 20s series to run it as a minimum graphics card

[royal nebula]

A 2060 is barely better then a 1660ti anyways

[obsidian raft]

im talking abt the 2070 as minimum

itll only be that if they hire a mcdonald employee to optimize their game

[full nova]

Jeff darmha

[oak crystal]

So much talk about specs, no one really talks about their connection speed to the servers.

[cerulean goblet]

Is 3rd-person-only 100% for sure?

[past wind]

Because speed isn’t relevant, stability is

[past wind]

For officials is

[cerulean goblet]

Bummer

So they will be rendering a first person mode but it wont be available on official?

[past wind]

I would watch the gameplay first, before judging it

[cerulean goblet]

Im with you, im not writing it off, just not a huge fan

[past wind]

All they’ve said is the vanilla game (official servers) will be 3rd person only, BUT it’s possible to create a mod for 1st person

If it’s just a switch to turn 1st person on, I’m not sure

Also, because of the new mechanics, I’m not sure 1st person will work fine

[cerulean goblet]

Guess we’ll see

[oak crystal]

If we are going to be climbing all over things like in Conan, I wonder if flyers will be a thing?

[oak crystal]

Yea some cases it’s irrelevant. But in multiplayer, latency matters.

[thick moat]

Of course but when all the server is on a similar latency, as long as it's stable, it doesn't matter, i've played servers with 100+ consistent ping and it wasnt that bad if the consistent lag spikes didnt happen

Or rubberband

[lime forge]

It will need to be a mod. Wildcard is not making first person in Ark 2.

[glass stag]

i heard they gon add sum kind of auto hit

[thick moat]

If it ain't wildcard it's not true

[glass stag]

ok

phew

[split dove]

target lock can also just mean that the camera stays focused on the targeted entity, wich is the more likely option

[thick moat]

That's only on ark mobile

[glass stag]

hope so

[thick moat]

It would be weird if it auto attacked when u got close to something, it's not intuitive

So im sure it will never happen 100%

[split dove]

the combat description has target lock in it, but i'm guessing it's gonna be the camera lock i described

[thick moat]

Yeah based on souls it's just a lock on

[split dove]

''Target-lock, blocks, dodges, combos, staggers, special attacks, emphasizing player-skill-based action.''

actual target hit lock would be bad

[past wind]

I would look into Atlas system to have an idea. It locks when you are fist fighting, but it doesn’t lock when using weapons.

[ripe cedar]

I mean you dont have to use it if you dont want to

[blissful perch]

Yea I don’t love target lock on most of the time, but it’s a nice feature

[thick moat]

Though not using it feels more natural

And it kinda adds a bit of depth to the combat because you gotta aim where you are gonna hit kinda like ark 1

[blissful perch]

Some movement mechanics and fights just mandate it frankly…if you are constantly going underneath and around a creature for example and need to 180 the camera lock on doing that for you is huge

But slow circle strafing imo is far better without

[onyx hemlock]

it said souls like combat, and probably, lock on, is optional, not like mandatory, im sure if there's going to be problems, there is going to be a setting to disable it

[blissful perch]

absolutely

[onyx hemlock]

in souls like games, lock on is just something you choose to do

im interested in the other things tho, like staggers and special attacks

how will that work

[blissful perch]

I'm also interesting in weakspots and hitzones, but I'm also VERY curious about how mounted combat may or may not change

it would be super weird if all this effort went into foot combat but mounted combat remains ark 1 levels of simple

[onyx hemlock]

oh yea

i never thought about mounted combat, nor did they say much about it

[split dove]

we do know impact dmg from tames will be more detailed, and besides the new creature management system we know nothing for tames

[onyx hemlock]

did they just really let the release date for ark animated series remain 2022, that seems stupid

also, did they release anything else for animated series? cuz i haven't seen a thing

[split dove]

it's still in post production

[onyx hemlock]

besides the trailer

[onyx hemlock]

dam

[split dove]

post production can take a few months, it's only been in post production for 5 months and dollie said they want to release it soon

[onyx hemlock]

to ark soon can mean a year

[tropic crag]

It might still come out this year, so not really all that stupid, honestly

Holidays is a good time for tv shows

[onyx hemlock]

hmm

unlikely

[south lance]

i mean looking at the later iterations of dinos even ark1 mounted combat gets somewhat more complicated, like with the bloodstalker or shadowmane or other things with new abilities as opposed to just attack spam

its not so useful against pve but pve AI isnt advanced enough to make that necessary

[tropic crag]

I'm hoping the AI allows for that to be necessary

Being able to use advanced attacks and tactics

[split dove]

as long as i don't have to spam generic bite like ark 1 all the time i'm fine

[blissful perch]

Mounts movement and abilities yes, but tell me combat has evolved beyond tanking hits and comparing stats

[south lance]

i mean combat in all games has to come down to taking damage and being able to take damage under all the extra abilities and tactics besides

it really isnt just stats now especially since everyone runs maxed tames and gear

but yes there isnt quite as much variety in what you can do as i imply

a lot of the older tames, like before ext, arent really that special

but post ext there is some decent variety

id say bloodstalkers are the crown jewel of all of this

[south lance]

well tbf getting to this point is rather ridiculous, and those hawks apparently threw a wrench into all of it but eh

[turbid delta]

Scarred dinos would be pretty cool

[thick moat]

imagine the scars being permanent

[turbid delta]

That’s what I mean

[thick moat]

btw flobs mentioned detailed dmg as in the attacks actually colliding with the model and not fading through it

and dinos actually react to dmg done on the dmg location

and I just read on the ark 2 article from the forums that Jeremy Stieglitz posted and said that the flesh is actually torn, i hope we see that on the next gameplay they show

[desert swallow]

What is this creature management system?

[past wind]

I bet it's related to storage, breeding etc.

[desert swallow]

Oh... Got a little excited about being a creature manager, thought we were going to get to make them fill out timesheets and track quarterly and yearly measurable goals for career advancement.

[dawn lagoon]

Is ark 2 gonna be on last gen

[tropic crag]

Thankfully, no

[dawn lagoon]

Why thankfully?

[past wind]

Because developing for old gen would limit the use of new tech

[dawn lagoon]

Ah I see

You think it’ll be crossplay?

[desert swallow]

yes

[tropic crag]

More than likely the same way it is now, sure

[desert swallow]

"Will Ark 2 be cross-platform?
One thing we do know is that Ark 2 will at least have cross-platform support for PC and Xbox players, but presumably, PlayStation as well once it launches there. Oct 11, 2022"

[dawn lagoon]

Nice

[tropic crag]

Where is that from?

[desert swallow]

Google, multiple sources

and videos.

[tropic crag]

Ok, lol

So it's not official news in the slightest, gotcha

[desert swallow]

Alternative facts

But! They are putting in the effort for cross platform mods, so why not allow cross platform play?

And that is official

[tropic crag]

Citation needed

[vale mountain]

because sony hates fun

[tropic crag]

It definitely won't be crossplay with Playstation, true. And I don't see how a cross platform mod system means that crossplay between the platforms is possible

[desert swallow]

It definitely makes it way more possible

[tropic crag]

It's most like the mod platform for Skyrim and Fallout 4, to our knowledge, making it so people can make mods compatible with that version of the game

[vale mountain]

correct, but the problem is that sony reaaaaaallly likes to be a thorn in the sides of crossplay games

[desert swallow]

might be wildcard may be giving them the finger

[vale mountain]

respect to wildcard if they are

[tropic crag]

It's definitely a little of both, Microsoft making a deal and Sony being pissbabies

[vale mountain]

yeah microsoft has been doing a LOT of that recently which is probably equally as unhelpful as sony being a bunch of crybabies but I don't have that quoted lol

[desert swallow]

Will need to see a peer reviewed white paper before I believe it.

[tropic crag]

That second article was interesting, never seen that before, but only strengthens the idea that the mods will still be platform specific, ala Skyrim and Fallout 4

Which isn't surprising at all, different build, different tweaking needed for the mod to work (different mod, essentially)

[desert swallow]

cross platform is nothing new and a big draw to games, as a game developer why would you not want to do it? You aren't breaking the glass ceiling, someone else has already done that.

[tropic crag]

Because mouse and keyboard vs controller is extremely unfair for most people, and also because screw Sony

[desert swallow]

You can plug a controller into your PC.

[tropic crag]

Makes me sad too that there's supposedly M&K support day one on Xbox, if that article is to be believed

[desert swallow]

Unreal engine 5 features cross platform development as well.

[stray elm]

You can also plug in a mouse and keyboard into a console.
Your point?

[tropic crag]

You mean: put yourself at a disadvantage? Lmao

[desert swallow]

Read the convo, someone is trying to say console players either have a disadvantage or advantage depending on perspective.

[stray elm]

Bruce, give me a TL;DR

[edgy solstice]

When is ark 2 coming out

[stray elm]

2023

[tropic crag]

Basically, just another fella saying things that are unfounded/unconfirmed, like the game coming to PS and/or being crossplay in any capacity

[past wind]

I agree on all you’ve said, but Wildcard might have plans to have Cross-platform between PC and Xbox. The new SOTF will be cross-platform.

[tropic crag]

It almost definitely will; just with Win10, not Steam (aka, as it is now, like I said)

[past wind]

Not official, of course, but maybe an indication they are testing the water

[stray elm]

It's likely its coming to Playstation later on. But yeah, nothing 'confirmed' on it

[past wind]

Mod.io supposedly fix that

[desert swallow]

That's what I tried to bring up

[past wind]

Sony won’t allow cross-platform

They never did

[tropic crag]

They're a mod platform, not some wondrous crossplatform gaming tool

[stray elm]

They do with some games. But you have to pay them so fucking much that opinions no longer matter

[desert swallow]

Unreal engine 5 allows cross platform development, so then it comes down to network programming

[tropic crag]

Highly doubt Mod.io will do jack squat in that field

[stray elm]

Wildcard would be fucking themselves if they paid for crossplatform with Sony.
So it's not worth it

[stray elm]

It 'allows' it
Doesn't mean Sony will allow this function to be enabled.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, as mentioned, Sony are at fault most times

[desert swallow]

Why are we focusing so much on Sony. PC and xbox players will most likely be able to play together at launch. Sony won't have ark at launch.

[tropic crag]

They despise crossplay and early access

[tropic crag]

You brought it up...

[desert swallow]

I didn't bring up Sony

[stray elm]

Yes, you didn't bring up Soy-Sauce

What does Soy-Sauce have to do with Sony?

[tropic crag]

.

[desert swallow]

once it launches there

And that's a quote from an article

[stray elm]

When it does launch on Playstation, that still wont mean Sony will allow crossplay.

[tropic crag]

Still doubt it

And it's still unconfirmed to even launch there

[pure siren]

cause you are an executive at Sony and you know eh!?

[stray elm]

Yes

[desert swallow]

If I were to guess, they are in talks with Sony, they'd be foolish not to be. It's a pretty big market share.

[lavish rain]

Port a fort yay or nay

[stray elm]

What?

[lavish rain]

For ark 2

[stray elm]

The fuck did you say?

[lavish rain]

Port a fort

[desert swallow]

yay

[stray elm]

Ooooh, I just Googled it and it's a fucking Fortnite thing, isn't it?

[desert swallow]

Fortnite is cross platform on Playstation as well. Just thought I'd point that out.

[lavish rain]

Basically you can place down a whole building at once

[tropic crag]

Yes, because Epic shelled out

[stray elm]

Yes, cause like I said earlier. Money speaks louder then opinions.
But you'd have to pay a LOOOOT of money to put said opinions to the side.

[desert swallow]

Why wouldn't Wildcard? The money to be made would be far greater than the licensing costs.

[tropic crag]

Doubt

Wouldn't recoup for a few years I imagine

[stray elm]

Yeah, the amount Wildcard would have to pay would damage them

[tropic crag]

Counting PS sales alone

[stray elm]

Epic has been in the game a LOT longer then Wildcard.
They still have money from the Gears-of-War series

[desert swallow]

Can you give me the dollar amount they charge?

[stray elm]

And the Gears series is a Microsoft exclusive title.
You know how much they probably got paid?

[lavish rain]

Port a fort yes or no

I got 1 yes 0 nos

[tropic crag]

Hell no

[stray elm]

No documents I can find show any numbers. But the CEO of Epic did state that they had to pay to get Fortnite on Playstation crossplatform with Xbox.

[lavish rain]

1 yes 1 no

[stray elm]

No

[desert swallow]

so you don't know how much money they paid

Your argument is purely based on speculation, therefore I'm right.

[tropic crag]

Logic so flawed, call it a chipped diamond

[desert swallow]

I'm just following your rules you laid out

[stray elm]

No, but I do know how some of this shit works.
Epic's networth is a lot more higher then Wildcards. And people making dealings with companies with higher networths will raise their prices more, since they know the company can afford it.
So since Epic's networth is around 32$ billion USD. I'd say they probably had to cough up around 2-3 billion.

[desert swallow]

speculation your honor!

[tropic crag]

The troll route, classic

[stray elm]

Same with ARK-2 coming to Playstation.

[desert swallow]

we all know PS is not a for sure thing

My argument is it would not make business sense for Sony to gate big games off their platform.

[tropic crag]

We weren't even talking about that, just crossplay and the cost of doing so, whe

[stray elm]

Damn, I'm looking at it now. And Wildcards networth is only around 18.2-Million.

Damn, that's small.

[desert swallow]

well I have your contact, when cross play happens I'll be sure to bust your balls a bit.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, hardly enough to pay whatever Sony would ask, I'm sure

[tropic crag]

Same here, but the inverse

[timber spruce]

So is ark 2 guaranteed to be exclusively 3rd person?

[tropic crag]

So far

[desert swallow]

Our balls are on hold until then

[stray elm]

Okay man.
Go back to saving the flying cloud castle, while your fellow care-bears puke on each other with rainbow beams coming out of their stomachs that probably hurt.

[stray elm]

Yes

[timber spruce]

Dissatisfying

[desert swallow]

don't be racist

[stray elm]

How's that racist.

[vale mountain]

eyo whats wrong with care bears

[tropic crag]

I mean, maybe speciest, but idk about racist...

[stray elm]

Nothing, until grumpy-bear wants to be grumpy

[tropic crag]

Care bears aren't a race, last I checked...

[timber spruce]

I have not seen any care bares related imagery in at least 10 years, a surprise to be sure!

[stray elm]

Ayo, I ain't that either.
I eat all animals equally.

[tropic crag]

Same here

[stray elm]

This is why I'm called 'cannibalwell'
Can't be racist or speciest if I eat everything.

It's logic

[tropic crag]

Alright, gn folks, don't let Sony bite you in the wallet

[timber spruce]

I’ll respect the logic, but I think that means you eat your own

[timber spruce]

Wait Wdym by this

[stray elm]

I'll bite them back

[timber spruce]

Wait is Sony bein dumb?

[tropic crag]

Always

[desert swallow]

it means if you want cross play on Sony you'll lose money, apparently.

[stray elm]

"Cannibalwell"

[stray elm]

No shit, Sherlock

[timber spruce]

This is confusing to me but I suppose I’ll accept it

[untold totem]

Sony doesn't want to crossplay with anyone anyways

[thick moat]

They do support crossplay what

There are a bunch of games who have it between all platforms

[untold totem]

If they do how come ARK 1 doesn't have that even if they are no longer early access?

[thick moat]

that doesn't mean they don't support it

[stray elm]

Said games that're owned by studios that have billions of dollars to spare to Sony

[thick moat]

For Honor? XD

[stray elm]

EA

[prisma pike]

Like they care about for honor

[thick moat]

im not so sure Ubi cares about for honor boss

[stray elm]

Wait, nope. It's Ubisoft.

[thick moat]

yea

[stray elm]

Still, they have Billions to spare

[prisma pike]

For honors finally getting the first good update to it in years in a few days

And its only a testing grounds change lmao

[untold totem]

I was gonna say Ubisoft

But they are a AAA studio with decades of game dev unlike WC

Ubi is no indie or small studio

[prisma pike]

Is wildcard even small anymore?

[untold totem]

They only made 1 successful game

[prisma pike]

So?

[untold totem]

Compared to Ubi for example

[stray elm]

Yes and No

They're small compared to every other studio.
But they're well known

[untold totem]

I am talking about the profit they made per title

I doubt ARK alone is gonna reach a lot of profit compared to all titles made by Ubi

WC can afford Vin and David as VA sure but they are no Just Dance copyright

[prisma pike]

God that game is old

[untold totem]

See

[prisma pike]

Just dance lol

[untold totem]

And they are still paying those copyrights

[prisma pike]

Don't care about the money more so the amount of people

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, still small

[prisma pike]

Five people making millions off of a game wouldn't make them a big studio

[untold totem]

And... We are talking about what define's a big dev

[stray elm]

They have only like 35-workers

[prisma pike]

How many people they have

[untold totem]

Ubi has multiple branches for dev outsourcing I believe

(the most well known for me is Rockstar and Rockstar North because of GTA)

[prisma pike]

Hey man sotf will have it lol

[untold totem]

I kinda doubt about that one chief

[prisma pike]

Can't wait to see a ps player cry because a windows player spins their ass

[untold totem]

Battle Royales are already dead

[prisma pike]

Just because you don't play them it doesn't mean they're dead

[stray elm]

They're not dead, but not the craze anymore.

[prisma pike]

Fortnite and apex are still very well populated

[untold totem]

I am talking about in terms of new releases

[lavish rain]

Because fortnite and apex clean house before a new one can take off

[stray elm]

Open-worlds seem to be the new craze right now.

[lavish rain]

Every game is open world these days

[prisma pike]

I don't think anything is big rn

[stray elm]

My point

[lavish rain]

Not every fucking game needs to be open world

[untold totem]

LOL ye

[lavish rain]

Pokémon dosent need to be open world, that's a notorious example

[stray elm]

It's always been semi-open world

[prisma pike]

Aren't there still restrictions for going to the next area?

[lavish rain]

Halo dosent need to be fucking open world

[untold totem]

It is not "open world" if you restrict an area

[stray elm]

Actually, I feel like if they did it better. It could've worked

[prisma pike]

Beacuse Pokemons always been kinda open world with hm moves being the only thing stopping you

[lavish rain]

By that logic apex is open world

[stray elm]

It is

[lavish rain]

Whe

[prisma pike]

How's it not?

[lavish rain]

Battle royales aren't open world

[stray elm]

That's the definition of a open-world

[prisma pike]

You can drop anywhere

And go anywhere

[stray elm]

It's literally a open-world

[prisma pike]

You'll just die cause zone if it's not there tho

[untold totem]

Well kinda unless your map is like SE

[stray elm]

Open-world just means no loading screens to get to the area.

[lavish rain]

Hhhhhh what?

[stray elm]

That is what open-world means

[prisma pike]

^

[lavish rain]

[tropic crag]

Go to sleep, Lotus

[prisma pike]

If you think about it ark on an old system isn't open world

[stray elm]

Specific levels in Halo-1 where 'open-world'

[prisma pike]

Cause you have to reload the game everytime you render a cave

[stray elm]

The level 'Halo' for example is a big ass level that doesn't require loading screens to progress, and you could go anywhere on the level at any moment.

[lavish rain]

You, I'm not gonna attempt to sleep with the munchies

[stray elm]

Eat your arm

[prisma pike]

Lemme get the toes

[lavish rain]

Past 6 times I ordered taco bell it was fucking cold

[stray elm]

Ew

[prisma pike]

Just microwave it

[lavish rain]

@stray elm would ark be open world if caves needed load screen but nothing else

[stray elm]

Caves do need loading

[lavish rain]

Therefore

Ark isn't open world

[stray elm]

It is.

[prisma pike]

They do have a load screen on Xbox ones and ps4s

It's called a blackscreen

[stray elm]

You can go to point-A to point-B on the map without needing to go through a loading screen.

Caves aren't on the map. They're their own regions

[lavish rain]

Gta isn't open world, load screen for entering buildings

[stray elm]

Different regions don't apply.
I can still go to Los-Santos to Sandy-Shores without loading

[untold ingot]

I mean technically ark is a sandbox game, not an open world game

[prisma pike]

Open world sandbox

[lavish rain]

Why do you have a barcode username

[prisma pike]

Because

Ark

[thick moat]

123

[prisma pike]

IlllIIlIIlIIllIV is best gt

[untold ingot]

If you go by the definitions, ark isn't an open world game though. It has an open world, but like minecraft it's not called that. It's a sandbox

[stray elm]

A sandbox is Open-world, but a open-world isn't always a sandbox.

A sandbox requires a decent sized world for you to manipulate in it in a form.

[lavish rain]

We live in confusing times

[blissful perch]

It’s really better to consider these things as labels rather than rigid genres. Especially for something like open world

[strange sluice]

can someone tell me the most recent leaks? i havent seen any new leaks recently so idk if theres new leaks or not

[lime forge]

Everything we know is in the pins

[strange sluice]

oh ty

[abstract linden]

There’s no singleplayer right?

[split dove]

Nothing has been said about single-player being included or not. But seeing how popular it is in ark 1 there is a big chance there will be single-player

[slate sapphire]

Hope so, for people who don't wanna play with others its perfect.

[abstract linden]

ik i keep hearing u play mp so i was like oh nahh aint no way am i able to keep up farming with ppl in my server with mp only when i have some annoying ass classes

[slate sapphire]

Fr, sometimes its better to just play solo and actually ENJOY the game instead of being paranoid 24/7

[worldly garden]

There are other reasons i'm sure they'll keep single player too, namely community stuff like the big builds, tests, content creation etc where many I suspect use single player rather than setting up their own server. I'm sure they'll add it, would be crazy not to.

[karmic compass]

I just hope they don’t neglect singleplayer in ark 2 like they did with ark 1.

[past wind]

How do you think they have neglected Ark 1 single player?

[weak comet]

Explain to us?

[karmic compass]

Its mostly the bugs that still haven't been fixed, such as bugs that should've been fixed by now, I know mods exist just to address them, but I shouldn't need to get them (I prefer playing non-modded, while mods are fun, I like the core experience). There is also the reason some would just tell you "just get a server or get into one, ignore singleplayer", there wouldn't be that sentiment if singleplayer had more going for it. Although it is a feeling I get, still had fun though ngl.

Man I feel like I pulled a dumb take.

[steep cairn]

I feel like although could be fun for some people, single player was empty and uneventful at least without mods.

[blissful perch]

My go to example is that you STILL need to edit ini settings to make growing crops remotely possible without leaving your game open 24/7. Same with breeding speeds…that stuff needs to be reasonable for non dedicated SP imo by default

[thick moat]

You can make them grow even when off the world?

[fallow niche]

Not on SP.

[fallow niche]

Definitely. Not all of us can just leave our stuff running 24/7, would be nice to have some sort of option available.

[blissful perch]

We DO have the settings, but a new player would have no idea how to change them or what to change them too. I hope that’s better addressed in ark 2

[blissful perch]

The entire issue is that you can’t 😂

Obviously SP non dedicated has to take shortcuts to save perf, but some stuff like settings etc I think could use a look before EA release

[wintry urchin]

I really hope they don't make Ark 2 just be Conan Exiles but with dinosaurs

[blissful perch]

Walk me through how they’d do that

[ripe cedar]

I mean they are both survival games so people will probably say it no matter what

[blissful perch]

Sure but I want to hear a thoughtful answer on this one beyond the obvious surface level comparison. I think box can deliver what I seek and I want to open a conversation about it

[wintry urchin]

The 3rd person only gameplay, "souls like combat" and "component based crafting"

All sounds exactly like Conan imo, and we all know Conan is a shit game

[blissful perch]

So you think that the other mechanics mentioned on the steam page and message from the founders isn’t enough to make ark 2 unique from conan? Honest question

[wintry urchin]

Just seems like it has all the worst parts

[blissful perch]

Because I totally agree that more mechanics based third person combat is more in line with Conan. But the other features of ark 2 seem pretty different

[wintry urchin]

I mean pvp will be absolutely fucking annihilated

[ripe cedar]

Well they are not making the game specifically for what you like

[blissful perch]

Walk me through this. I understand gun play might be radically worse, but I suspect that’s not the combat ark 2 wants to emphasize

[wintry urchin]

It sounds like a cool system... if it were a singleplayer story game

But as a pvp player third person ONLY with slow souls combat just sounds miserable in practice

If I played pve I'd be thrilled

[blissful perch]

Hmm, you think it would be too slow paced? The combat that is

[wintry urchin]

If it's souls based I feel like you get locked into melee animations

And if its a 2v1 you auto lose

[ripe cedar]

Not necessarily also its not like you should exect yourself to win literally every fight and dinos could help with the offbalance of players

[blissful perch]

Hmm, what if attacks had more AoE or moved with a bit more fluidity? Or some form of animation cancelling maybe? It’s a good point to raise

[ripe cedar]

We dont know though

And we wont know until we actually see it

[blissful perch]

Since it’s true that souls/MH combat works worse the more opponents you’re up against