ark-2

[tropic crag]

It wasn't as exploitable as you might think, back in 1991 lmao

[blissful perch]

A lot of MMO stuff was also PvE or mostly PvE back in the day, so that helped

If you cheated in MMO PvE it usually didn’t really have a large impact beyond ruining your fun

[proper condor]

Is there a change that Ark2 won't even come for PS5? If that happens Will they keep Ark1 alive?

[silver grove]

It won't be on Ps5 on the launch day for sure but you should expect to see it on Playstation eventually. Just not day 1.

Ark 1 was said to be remaining on gamepass permanently so its likely that it will stay open for play even after Ark 2 launches but no one knows how consistently Ark 1 will receive updates

[proper condor]

Ok tyvm for your reply 🤗

[silver grove]

Of course, any time.

[plucky anvil]

I've heard it'll stay on xbox for 1-3 years

I've heard some people say 1 year and some people say 3

[proper condor]

Holy....... 😬

[split dove]

that's just about xbox gamepass, i think it's gonna be like ark 1 where it comes to ps5 at the end of early access

[tropic crag]

(Which may also be 1-3 years 😂 )

[split dove]

basegame ark 2 will definitely be bigger and take longer to fully be added

[tropic crag]

Maybe, I see it as kind of a strange situation, the potential development cycle(s) of Ark 2. On one hand, the first one took forever (on account of it being an indie dev team's first game.) On the other, it's something new from them, who now have experience and a bigger team, and may go faster than we think. Something to ponder to be sure... aside from our respective orbs, of course

[plucky anvil]

I think at the very least itll be 6 months probably a year though

Is there any word on who well be playing as?

Will it be our ark 1 survivor or the big vin

[fallow niche]

Our own characters, Santiago and his daughter are part of the story.

[plucky anvil]

So canonically will it carry off of the ark 1 survivor?

[fallow niche]

Unknown, just says player characters.

[split dove]

it's be a waste of the meta-human system from unreal 5 if we'd be stuck with vin

[tropic crag]

For sure

[fallow niche]

It's probably a safe bet that we can make our own characters

[past wind]

Hopefully in less than a month we will know more. Who will record the shorts of the most important parts? 🤔

[plucky anvil]

I'm just hoping they play in the gen part 2 end

Like a cutscene that connects the two

[past wind]

I’m pretty sure they will.

[plucky anvil]

Love your pfp btw

[mighty lion]

Cant wait for the discussion on November 5th - 7th.

[blissful perch]

Same. I expect to see your return to the chat

[mighty lion]

Oh definitely

[bold juniper]

I hope you play as your ark1 character from a chanonicle point

They are too important of a character to the lore to skip out on it

[untold totem]

i feel like you wont because your ARK 1 bob is stuck in space with no way out of there aside from death

"too important of a character"

maaaaayyy depends because it is hard to fit YOU or at least your personality in a lore planned by the devs aide from the way bland "the chosen one" trope like Ext chronicles did

[tropic crag]

The exo mek is falling to Arat, lmao

There's no way in hell it just sits in orbit, that would be stupid and make 0 sense

But I do doubt that we play as our Ark 1 main character, that also would make little sense

Because that survivor is jacked and knows all the things, they wouldn't start us off knowing all the things

Unless maybe we have amnesia from the landing, I suppose

Even then, a clean slate makes more sense either way

Maybe the canon "Bob" from the TV show is there as a stand-in, voiced by Karl Urban, as an NPC akin to Santiago

[stray elm]

I don't know, the steam-page does indicate we have more lore to our survivor this time in ARK-2.

[tropic crag]

[stray elm]

Our character seems like they have a form of amnesia.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I know that

If it's our character, that'd be the only way it would make sense

[stray elm]

Could also mean they just left it up in the air again, akin to Genesis 1-2.

[past wind]

In the first trailer, Santiago seems to have his memory intact (I believe).

[stray elm]

Well yeah.
But doesn't mean 'our' survivor wont, if something happens in the intro for us to forgor.

[past wind]

It could be some people remember, but others don’t.

[tropic crag]

But we could just as easily be a survivor that was in the simulation (like everyone else on the ship was) that get's amnesia because of like the landing pod or something

[past wind]

Possible indeed

[stray elm]

Right.
Genesis 1-2 purposely left it up to the player to decide.
Could be the same thing in ARK-2

[tropic crag]

It was very clearly not a happy landing for anyone involved 😅

[stray elm]

Yeaaaah

Which is weird that like, 90% of the human population on Arat has amnesia now.

[past wind]

BUT do you think it would make any difference if our characters have memory of the past? I mean the gameplay.

[untold ingot]

The true story of ark2, saving Bob

[untold totem]

First of all... How can that tiny scrap of was the Exo Mek ever survive a fall from a planet's atmosphere with friction from air and hard impact of the ground

Unless they pull they Homo Deus Ex Machina and somehow HLNA do download in the Exo Mek to do some Tek magic

I doubt our bob will survive that

[stray elm]

Exo-mek is made out of tek.
That's the excuse

[tropic crag]

Saving Private Bobyan

[untold totem]

Ye but it fall apart and I doubt that flimsy frame can survive that impact

[stray elm]

Tek is a hella durable alloy.
We see the some parts of the Genesis-ship is just crashed and destroyed, not actually burned to a crisp like a real rocket would be.

[untold ingot]

Santiago survived falling to earth in a pod while he was at the window and not strapped in. Bob will survive

[stray elm]

There's that

[untold totem]

The pod is big enough to hold on its own

Have you seen @lament pagoda model of the full pod?

[untold ingot]

A person on the loose inside a pod will get jostled around so much that they won't survive unless they are strapped in really well

[tropic crag]

Uhhhhh, yes? Is this a joke question? If our Ark 1 survivor has their memories from the first game, that would dramatically impact the game imo. And they wouldn't start us with every engram from the first game already unlocked, either

[stray elm]

Yeah, that's where lore and gameplay would have to work together.

[tropic crag]

Besides, Ark 2 main character, same or not, has amnesia

Full stop, store page says so, so I'm taking it as gospel (because it is)

[stray elm]

To allow us to start fresh in a lore 'and' gameplay standpoint, we either have to be a whole new survivor that's fresh. Or we're the same one that have a HEAVY case of amnesia. (I don't know how amnesia works, but I do know engrams IRL are neurons, so forgetting some neurons would work in a lore standpoint.)

[tropic crag]

[stray elm]

On a side note, I made my first ever homemade alfredo sauce.

[untold ingot]

I don't know, the whole piecing together the story of how we arrive on arat makes me think that we aren't Bob again

[past wind]

I’m not implying that having memory = having unlocked Ark 1 engrams… But just remembering what happened.

[stray elm]

Wouldn't remembering 'be' memories?

[past wind]

That’s what I’m trying to understand why it would be relevant

[tropic crag]

It actually would make sense gameplay-wise that as we do the missions and events and things (that we already pretty much know are in the game) that we are rewarded with memories that we can use to "remember" engrams from the first game, perhaps

[past wind]

If you are talking about engrams, I get why it would be relevant.

[stray elm]

Cause if they remember how to make tek, then all it takes is some element and a forge to re-invent tek again.
Seeing how tek isn't going to be in the base-game. This would defeat the gameplay purpose.

[stray elm]

Engrams 'are' memories

They're all from neurons.

[past wind]

Not limited to it. That’s my point. There’s the notes also.

[stray elm]

I'm talking about irl biology.

Engrams are an actual real thing in our brains.

[spiral echo]

Any news lately?

[stray elm]

No

[tropic crag]

The engrams and how to make them are tied to the survivors memories from what I understand, like the Ark 1 survivor remembers their time in Aberration via the things they learned there to help them progress to the point where they could save Earth

[stray elm]

If you forget memories, then you're forgetting engrams, and vise-versa.
If we have amnesia, then we have a lack of engrams.

[stray elm]

The engram system is basically just forcing new memories into survivors.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, Helena-Deus puts the engrams of past survivors into us from the start, and we unlock them as we go by reading the notes, seeing the evidence of their use, so on and so forth

[untold totem]

Yet Vin knows how to purge his Data like he remembered how to use a Tek machine

[past wind]

If they go that way, maybe the ones with memory will be NPCs.

[stray elm]

Cause unlike us, he still remembers his pre-ARK times.

[bold juniper]

They’re wearing a tek suit as well so added protection

[past wind]

Because I think Santiago remembers. Also those drawings on the walls of the cave. I don’t know.

[bold juniper]

Character could have also given up his telegrams like Santiago

[stray elm]

'telegrams' ☠️

[bold juniper]

My phone auto corrects everything

[stray elm]

Excuses

[untold totem]

A big reason why we will not be the ARK 1 Bob

[bold juniper]

Tek grams

[tropic crag]

He's a special type of clone, most likely, due to that one lady messing with his engrammic matrix stored on the ship

[tropic crag]

, probably

[bold juniper]

Character coulda just given up tek amicus that’s what the community wanted it could be the reason

[tropic crag]

Santiago didn't give up his tekgrams, wat

[bold juniper]

Amicus 💀

[stray elm]

Seeing how the steam page states 'he doesn't have a good relationship with tek' I'd say this is the case.
He'd have no reason to dislike tek if he forgor.

[tropic crag]

He just shut down a terminal lol

[bold juniper]

He’s chosen not to use them

[stray elm]

Not how that works

[tropic crag]

Yeah, and? Doesn't mean he forgot

[bold juniper]

Ark1 character can also simply chose not to use them

They don’t need amnesia

[tropic crag]

He's just seen what tek * cough element mostly cough * can do, and doesn't want to repeat it

[past wind]

My guess, we will all be Vindiago’s children. Family

Now we will be able to breed humans

[bold juniper]

He just caught the monster Rockwell

[untold totem]

May I reminded you that ARK 2 is supposed to be a new game, not a DLC

[stray elm]

You don't 'choose' if you learn a engram.
The engrams are already in your head, it's just neurons activating that chooses if you remember them or not.

[bold juniper]

Op human breeding top tier stats

[tropic crag]

It is also a sequel, continuing the Ark story, lmao

[untold totem]

Yes but you are not the protagonist of the lore

You are just a part of it

[bold juniper]

Umm kinda are

[tropic crag]

We don't know that at all

[bold juniper]

We don’t know enough bout the ark2 story to say you aren’t the main character

[stray elm]

Well, you're the protagonist of the overarching storyline.
'You' don't start the story though, of ARK-1

[untold totem]

Protagonist means the hero of the story, not the "character you play as"

[bold juniper]

Who wouldn’t play as the protagonist tho

Makes no sense

[stray elm]

The survivor 'is' the hero of the story.
They stopped everything, where others have failed.

[past wind]

Us?

The protagonists are on the notes

[tropic crag]

Protagonist is usually used to describe the character you play as, soooooo

[bold juniper]

Unless your the villain

[stray elm]

'We're' the ones that stopped the corruption on Earth, not Helena.

[bold juniper]

Helena was just our support

The character did everything to rectify the past

[past wind]

I didn’t. I was raiding and being raided.

[untold totem]

I am talking about within the lore, not the game itself

In the notes you are not the protagonist, the authors are

[bold juniper]

Nah lore wise you are

[tropic crag]

If we were talking about the animated series, then yes, the note authors are the protagonists, but we aren't

[bold juniper]

You fix everything

[tropic crag]

The lore isn't the game lol

[stray elm]

Helena was the protagonist of the notes/backstory of 'our' journey.
She's like the stereotypical old-man that gives the new adventurer their quest.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, she's the mentor

[past wind]

People, you are all special. Don’t worry

[tropic crag]

Ever hear of the hero's journey? She's literally the mentor lol

[stray elm]

Yep.
And the notes where 'her' story.
But her story is over, and it's our turn in the spotlight in ARK-1.

[bold juniper]

Yes but overall ark1 character is protagonist because they do everything Helena just died and evolved enough to help you be where you need to be

[tropic crag]

Oldest story structure in the world

[stray elm]

And it works

[tropic crag]

Hell yeah it does

[stray elm]

Santiago is most likely the same role.
The mentor of 'our' fresh survivor, soon to be even more of a legend then Santiago/Vin is.

[untold totem]

You only because a "protagonist" in the chronicles but not in the whole notes

[tropic crag]

[bold juniper]

No but the notes are the past

[stray elm]

The notes are only half of the lore

[tropic crag]

The notes are not the game, yet again

[bold juniper]

Notes were also an after thought

[tropic crag]

Notes ≠ in-game content and story

[tropic crag]

They actually weren't, the story and lore was planned from the get-go

[stray elm]

A protagonist means they're the focus of 'a' story, btw Mazzy.
Doesn't mean they're the protagonist of the whole universe.

[bold juniper]

Ark1 character =protagonist and I’m pretty sure hlna saved you to Shepard the next step hence the good bye message

[tropic crag]

[untold totem]

That is what I mean when I said "protagonist"

I mean in the story stand point not as a "player character"

[stray elm]

Like every Fallout/Elder Scrolls games, you're a different protagonist.
You're all hero's and legends, and the protagonist of 'this' story.
But you're not the main focus of the universe, only this timeframe.

[bold juniper]

In the story standpoint you are currently the protagonist right now

[stray elm]

Correct.

The survivor is the protagonist of the 'game.'
Helena is the protagonist of the 'notes'/past.

[untold totem]

That is what I mean

[stray elm]

Right.
Helena isn't 'the' protagonist.
She's just 'a' protagonist.

[tropic crag]

That's what we've been saying the whole time

[untold ingot]

Dunno, Mei yin seemed almost more important, Helena was asleep for the entire last map lol

[tropic crag]

🤣

[untold totem]

Because Mei melee bobed her unconscious

[stray elm]

Helena was defiantly fucking useless.
But sadly, the notes make her out to be more of the protagonist. (even tough I'd take Mei over Helena any day.)

[untold ingot]

They got a robot to replace her, because she turned into a ghost

[stray elm]

True

[past wind]

Based on the game description, we are “new humans”, but there will be “heroes” like Santiago which came from Ark 1 and know things.

Suddenly awakened on a strange primal world filled with dinosaurs and humans struggling for dominance; you must piece together the history of how you arrived there, team-up with legendary heroes, and confront powerful dark forces seeking to control the fate of all life. Saddle up, and join the definitive next-generation survival experience with ARK 2!

[stray elm]

With all the changes they made to TAS, I fucking hope Helena isn't a useless shit.
Which, from the small teaser. We already can see this Helena 'will' kill if need be.

[untold totem]

Tbh Mei is kinda feels like what players experiencing playing ARK for the first time then decided to look up cheats in the Wiki

[tropic crag]

Tfw you turn into a ghost so you gotta make a robot of yourself with your accent and personality

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but she tamed a giga on a raptor though

[stray elm]

She's just built different

She got more neurons in that brain.

[untold totem]

I do admit it does takes skill to ride circles around a giga while whistle body block him and tranq him with arrows at the same time

[tropic crag]

This could still easily apply to either path, us being Ark 1 Bob or new Bob, Bobert perhaps

[stray elm]

With fucking tranq 'arrows'

Not darts.
'Arrows'

That's skill alone to solo knock out a giga with fucking arrows

[tropic crag]

She was using a capped crossbow, not that hard tbh

[stray elm]

Bow

[untold totem]

Since she stated than her weapons are not good

She probably used primitive bows lol

[stray elm]

It was a og bow.

[tropic crag]

Fair enough

[stray elm]

True on Mazzy.
Probably Journeyman or shit like that

[tropic crag]

Is there a drawing to refer to? Or is that just said on the note?

[bold juniper]

I think that description is for new players to ark and it will be up to the player

[untold totem]

Note

[stray elm]

I think it's in her drawing iirr

[tropic crag]

Because it could've been a composite bow

[stray elm]

I do think it'll be like Genesis 1-2 again. But we'll see.

[stray elm]

By that point, I don't think she'd have the resources to make one

[untold totem]

She made a weapon herself

IIRC her missing her weaponsmith or something

That is why I concluded that she use a prim bow

[bold juniper]

Coulda got one from a. Drop

[untold totem]

No one mentioned a "drop"

[bold juniper]

This a joke

[tropic crag]

I mean, we have no idea how long the OG survivor were on the Island

[stray elm]

Drops aren't canon, or weren't existing yet in the notes.

[tropic crag]

Could've been years

Drops are from Helena-Deus, iirc

[bold juniper]

Coulda been caused by Helena trying to help the survivor along with respawn if

[tropic crag]

[stray elm]

Not from what I remember.

The OSD's are canon, 100%
You may be thinking of those.

[bold juniper]

Nah I think the normal drops are from Helena trying to make it easier along with the respawning mechanic

[untold totem]

They never noticed or acknowledge the existence of drops aside from SE (but more of a one way transfer)

[stray elm]

Iirr, the OSD's are stored on the ARK's and are shot onto Earth to help any survivors that have made it to Earth.

[stray elm]

Did Helena not on Extinction?

Might've been thinking of Marc's post again.

[untold totem]

I constantly forgot or not know about the "out of game" lore of reddit

I have no clues on those

[stray elm]

It might've been Marc

I'll never accept the fact though that Nameless are just generic ARK created animals.

[untold totem]

TBF they do like add a little mythology in their experiments

That includes those that are not European In origin

[stray elm]

Yeaaah, but like.
I like the 'mutated survivors' theory more then 'generic created animals'

[tropic crag]

Not even in Scorched do they note of the drops, because they don't exist then

[untold totem]

But they do note of something came down from the light

Instead of a drop, it's Helena or Rockwell

[tropic crag]

Yeah, Helena and Rockwell, when they transfer in

Not really a drop, per se, but I get what you mean

[stray elm]

They came down from a beam.

And it was a LOT more bigger then the drop beams.

[untold totem]

Tbh the drops are bigger than an average person

If that was the case it be more brighter than the drop

[stray elm]

I mean the beams

[tropic crag]

I like the "literally chupacabra look alikes made as the exploded overseers dying wish" theory more

[stray elm]

W O T?

[untold totem]

I mean......

[lavish rain]

Headshot perk

[tropic crag]

Whe

[stray elm]

WheWhe

[tropic crag]

"EGG_LEMON" really cookin one up, huh?

[fallow dust]

I have 2 suggestions for ark 2 which i hope will be in ark 2. so first is that dino’s will have no levels you get how strong it is by size and hp. in size i mean if raptor is like 1 meter tall and other one is 1.5 meters tall 1.5 meters tall will be stronger. or like small medium and big sizes only. and roar system. if like t rex roars and there is medium sized carno, carno will get scared and run but big sized carno may not get scared

[stray elm]

No

[bold juniper]

No

[stray elm]

I already hate the idea.

[tropic crag]

Those make very little sense mechanically in a video game

[bold juniper]

Maybe Dino age naturally

[tropic crag]

But I do hope to see size variation in wild creatures

[stray elm]

Ah yes, it takes 4 IRL months to raise a raptor

[bold juniper]

Idk

[stray elm]

Size variants would be interesting.
Be having that be the key to their health? Hell no

I'd rather have a RuneScape system of leveling up

[tropic crag]

Or at least a bit more to do with how the dinos look, like maybe more sexual dimorphism or something

[bold juniper]

I wanna see alien creatures more then Dino’s

Natural mega fauna

[fallow dust]

Nah that ain’t ark then

[tropic crag]

When an Ark player says "dino", they mean creatures

[tropic crag]

[stray elm]

Oh, but you see.
If they do that, then they'll bring the whole wrath of Twitter and idiots on media onto their ass.

[bold juniper]

We’re on an alien planet with an alien wildlife

[stray elm]

It's 100% ARK

I don't see 'dinosaurs' in the title.

[bold juniper]

Ark has lots of fantasy creatures

[stray elm]

And two aliens, already.

[tropic crag]

Yeeeeeeeeah, aliens and weird homebrew/fantasy creatures are kinda in Ark's DNA buddy lol

[bold juniper]

Cetus and delphis

[stray elm]

Yep.
The astro-bros

[bold juniper]

Step bros

[fallow dust]

Yo

[stray elm]

'What're you doing step-Delphis?'

[tropic crag]

Three aliens, if you count element

[bold juniper]

I’m stuck in the gen2 vent

[stray elm]

True, but that's more environmental then being able to tame.

[tropic crag]

5 if you count the Ark 2 trailer ones

[fallow dust]

Make Male dinosaurs bigger than Female dinosaurs. i mean like male raptor is 1.5 meters and female is 1.2 meters

[tropic crag]

Still a living thing

[stray elm]

Oh wait, titans are literally a embodiment of element.
So they're technically aliens.

[past wind]

I think it should be the other way around

[bold juniper]

Sometimes the females are bigger

[stray elm]

Sometimes the males are bigger, sometimes the females are, sometimes it's even.

[fallow dust]

other way around? wdym this ain’t no ant game or bee game

[tropic crag]

Yeah, with raptors I think females are bigger

[bold juniper]

With most reptiles

[tropic crag]

Like irl

[past wind]

Rexes too I think

[stray elm]

You do know there's mammals and reptiles that're bigger as females then the males, right?

[tropic crag]

Yep

Hyenas

Females are bigger and rule over the males, and have an... interesting anatomical setup

[untold ingot]

Generally speaking female reptiles are larger than males

[stray elm]

Interesting is half of the case.

[fallow dust]

“Rule over males” yeah that ain’t happening in dinosaurs ants and bees maybe

[tropic crag]

Bro, you need to learn some more comparisons

But also that is definitely more common than you think

[stray elm]

Just asking. But what grade are you in?

[tropic crag]

😂

[stray elm]

This is fucking 'basic' biology.

[past wind]

It’s fucking Jurassic Park also 🤔

[fallow dust]

Where do your read that females rule over males IN DINOSAURS

[fallow niche]

Probably safe to bring it back to ark 2

[fallow dust]

Not fcking ants or bees

[stray elm]

Most reptiles and Chickens.

[tropic crag]

🤦‍♂️

[tropic crag]

Plenty of places, go read a research paper

[stray elm]

This 'was' ARK-2 related

[fallow niche]

Switch to #general or bring it back on topic.

[tropic crag]

Until they derailed us it was, yeah

[fallow niche]

Hence why I said back on topic.

[stray elm]

Anyway, to make this ARK-2 related.
If a lot of avians apply this rule, then it's called 'common sense' to think that dinosaurs would also be like this. Which is why bigger female rexes in ARK-2 would make sense, and be cool as fuck for the minor detail.

[past wind]

Back on track. Would be nice to have different sizes based on gender and age.

[fallow dust]

LOL

NAH BRO

[tropic crag]

Anywho, it would be cool to see stuff like sexual dimorphism and size/shape variation in Ark 2, point made

[tropic crag]

[stray elm]

"Hawks, owls, falcons, and eagles are among the strongest, fastest, most dynamic birds on the planet—and in almost every case, the female of the species outweighs the male."
All of these descended from dinosaurs iirr. So it'd make sense to have bigger females in some dinosaurs in ARK-2.

[fallow dust]

mods abusing their “power”

[stray elm]

Please abuse it harder on this man.

[fallow niche]

KBD makes use of some dinos being bigger, but would be nice to see it in vanilla.

[tropic crag]

Children abusing their "caps lock"

[stray elm]

He's acting like a mindwipe tonic and making my engrams scramble.

[past wind]

Besides shadowmanes, I don’t remember other dimorphism on Ark 1. But it could mean we will see more of those on Ark 2.

[tropic crag]

[fallow niche]

It's not abusing "power" if I've repeatedly asked you to move on, and you kept going, so I removed your comment.

[stray elm]

Can y'all spare some engram points?
I forgot how to eat after what EGG said.

[fallow niche]

I don't think there has been any other than the shadowmanes

[stray elm]

Shadowmanes are cool, cause they're the only creature in ARK that does this.

They're visually and mechanically different between the genders.

[fallow niche]

I wish we had more dinos to see in ark 2

So far we've only seen what, 5?

[stray elm]

5, yeah.

[fallow niche]

Brachi, pt, rex, Dodo, raptor

Oh and the plant

[stray elm]

Dodo, Raptors, Rexes, Aratai, and Plant man

[heavy summit]

are they shutting down ark 1 when ark 2 is out

[stray elm]

No

The servers will run still to our knowledge, but everything does have a ending at some point.

[heavy summit]

is ark 2 gonna have like a pvp official like we have mow

[stray elm]

We don't know

[fallow niche]

It will have pve and pvp, but we don't know anything about what it entails

[stray elm]

For all we know, they could merge PvE and PvP into one gamemode, and make it region-based PvP

[heavy summit]

if it have pvp you can make a whole new mega tribe to run everything

[past wind]

😂

[stray elm]

Not liking a group is literally disrespecting.

[heavy summit]

if you have connections

[stray elm]

This is assuming the PvP is the same in ARK-2

[fallow niche]

Anywho

[past wind]

It’s not clear the new mechanics

[heavy summit]

ya

[stray elm]

Gameplay is already different, so the meta could change

[past wind]

We need more info to judge

[stray elm]

Aratai's are able to raid you iirr, so MegaTribes might not be as well off as they where in ARK-1

[fallow niche]

I think its time

Give plant tames

[stray elm]

Give us plant name

[past wind]

Man, that’s something I’m hyped about

I like the idea of NPCs raiding and being raided

[heavy summit]

hopefully they fix duping

[past wind]

Would be nice if they have Aratai camps

[heavy summit]

other wise people jus gonna dupe loot and then make a mega tribe

if pvp the same

[past wind]

I’m 99% sure it won’t be the same

They’ve learned a lot on those 7 years

[fallow niche]

Whole new game, doubt much is going to be the same. We're all going to have to learn it.

[stray elm]

If it's a whole new coding also, the way you'd dupe wouldn't be the same

Cheats in general wouldn't work the same between the games.

[bold juniper]

reapers technichaly

[stray elm]

True actually

[fallow niche]

I didnt consider reapers since they are separately named as well. A reaper queen, reaper king, subterranean reaper king/queen, etc.

[blissful perch]

Is it dilos? One of the frilled creatures has smaller frills when female

[tropic crag]

Megaloceros, supposedly (according to the tip in the loading screen) dinos have gender based colors, not many examples in Ark 1 though for sure

[past wind]

True. And antlers.

[blissful perch]

^The antlers on them tho are obviously different

(Antlers ≠ horns btw)

[tropic crag]

🤮

[past wind]

Ovis also 🤔

[tropic crag]

I sure hope that's the case, that they attack more if you're in one of the mega tribes (if they don't entirely remove the ability to have megas in the first place, fingers crossed 🤞 )

[stray elm]

Having raids adapt to how much shit you have would be great.

[tropic crag]

Forgot that one, true dat

[stray elm]

Not only would it act as a natural balance, but make it that small fishes get only a few scouts attacking their base. While big ass alphas have to worry about full scale warfare of 30-50+ Aratai's, and actually have the worry of being wiped.

[tropic crag]

Oh yeah, they are different aren't they?

[stray elm]

Oh yeah

[blissful perch]

I’d prefer 100

[stray elm]

'The more the better'

I'd take thousands if the game engine could handle it.

[blissful perch]

Endless Aratai raid until they’re wiped

[stray elm]

They literally get half of their whole species to wipe your ass

[blissful perch]

Aratai start using racers 🧠🧠

[stray elm]

This is why I support human NPC's.
Cause imagine having also a shit load of humans in the battle, basically recreating the ending of the last LOTR movie.

[tropic crag]

I think it'd be fair to have the amount of players in the tribe determine the amount of Aratai in the raid, like if you have a full 100 server cap mega tribe in your server, they get raided by 100 Aratai and all the tames that 100 Aratai would entail

[tropic crag]

This too, Aratai AI "learning" from watching PvPers PvP

[stray elm]

I'd say double whatever is in the tribe, since players will always outsmart A.I's.

[tropic crag]

Using their own strats against them

[stray elm]

100 A.I vs 100 players seems unfair to the A.I.

[tropic crag]

Eh, not with adaptive AI

They have dinos too, don't forget

[stray elm]

Yeah, but will they live long enough to even adapt?

[tropic crag]

Maybe give them a fob that they "set up" in the night before

They keep respawning til it's destroyed?

[stray elm]

While also really hard, they could do something that every tribe has their own game-master A.I, akin to the GM from Left-4-Dead.

I meant A.I director, sorry

[tropic crag]

Yeah, like a separate director AI for each tribe's version of the Aratai that they fight against

[stray elm]

That'd be a way to adapt them.

[tropic crag]

But that might get costly on the backend quickly though

[stray elm]

The A.I itself is adapting to the players tactics, while throwing the dumb pawns/Aratai's at you.

The Aratai's themselves aren't smart. But the A.I that controls their strategy is.

[stray elm]

Yeah, that's the issue

[tropic crag]

Would definitely be cool to see, and simpler than each Aratai having a separate learning AI as well

But maybe still too costly serverside, idk

[stray elm]

Their goal is to revolutionize the survival genre.
That'd be one hell of a way to do it.

[blissful perch]

Yea but it also means the first alpha has the easiest time

You dunk on a “baby” AI and get alpha, rip to the next alpha that gets dunked on by the hardcore grizzled AI

[stray elm]

Not what we where meaning.

Every player in theory would have their own AI watching them.
It'd adapt to 'their' specific tactics.

First alphas would just be the first ones to get fucked.

[blissful perch]

oh yea that's just gonna make servers become fire starters

[stray elm]

Ahh, but it would revolutionize survival games, with now needing to survive against a real fire.

'The game becomes real'

[tropic crag]

Well, no. The thought process for me was that, at a tribe's creation, they are assigned an AI to govern their "version" of the Aratai, let's call them a chieftain for now (and yes, if a player doesn't make a tribe, they just get attacked by the world/server's general Aratai AI. Or maybe you have to be in a tribe mechanically from the start? Idk, just brainstorming). The chieftain analyzes and records (to a degree) the movements, actions, (basically everything) and dinos that the tribe uses, and then tries out strategies that either counter those actions (if the actions recorded were directed at a previous Aratai raiding party) or are similar to their own strategies used in raiding (the Aratai "watched" the tribe raid another tribe, let's say).

[blissful perch]

my point then is identical to the one I made to Bootleg

[tropic crag]

And it just escalates from there, so you have to think outside the box every time your tribe goes up against it's version of the Aratai, or you perish and lose alpha status, maybe even soft resetting your chieftain because they don't consider you a threat anymore

[blissful perch]

a dynamic AI per tribe sounds hella server intensive

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

[stray elm]

It certainly would turn the server-box into hell

[tropic crag]

I know that it would, there's no doubt, s'why I stated as such right off the bat

But it'd be funny, huh?

[stray elm]

I'm gonna be pissed if the new arena like place doesn't have people cheering, and screaming 'Kar-En-Tuk'

[tropic crag]

• shoehorned Gabriel Iglesias joke here *

[untold ingot]

This would work mostly only for single player, or servers with only one tribe. And it still wouldn't be amazing due to the capacity of ai currently

[prisma pike]

Wtf is this shit they're talking Abt lol

[prisma pike]

Server would crash be real lmao

[stray elm]

The-Pit (or whatever it's called) better be a fucking gladiator arena.
I wanna beat someone, or some thing to a bloody pulp with my fists while a crowd is cheering on.

[tropic crag]

As I stated, yes. Server would be "crash real lmao", then probably a little "crackle pop BOOM"

[stray elm]

Worth it though

[blissful perch]

i think dens are confirmed against creatures

[stray elm]

None the less, I want a crowd.

[blissful perch]

in the PAX stream it sounded heavily like dens were PvE events

[stray elm]

I have a character in ARK-1 called "Bibibop the Neanderthal" that has put 90% of his levels into melee.

Motherfucker hits like a truck

[red perch]

Hey! I have a question, is a level 45 trike good?

[stray elm]

#general

[red perch]

My bad

[stray elm]

Np

[shadow fiber]

I hope ark 2 wont be a mess like cyberpunk 2077 lmao, i have high hopes

[tropic crag]

I also hope it doesn't suffer a bad launch due to overhyping and bad shareholders/corpos

[split dove]

I got a feeling that when ark 2 is out of early access Star Citizien will still be in early access lol

[untold ingot]

Ark7 will get out of ea and star citizen will still be ea

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

Chris Roberts is a silly little scam artist of a man who probably has no actual plans to finish the game

Let alone this century

[barren spindle]

let alone this millennia

[stray elm]

Let alone this timeline

[clever vortex]

To be fair, I played through the entirety of cyberpunk at launch on pc and had a great time with it. Only encountered a few minor visual bugs, half of which were due to my graphics drivers being out of date. The main issues with it were just the overhype and the fact that it never should have been released on last gen consoles. ARK 2 has far less hype and no one is really expecting it to be released in a perfectly polished state, partially because ARK 1 still has plenty of bugs and partially because ARK 2 is gonna be in early access for a while. It also isn't being released on last gen consoles.

[tropic crag]

Same here, but on a Xbox One X. Not one bug to gripe about for me since the One X could handle it pretty well

And now, on the Series X? Fuhgeddaboutit.

[stray elm]

It wasn't 'reaaaally' the bugs that where the breaking for that game. Since it's CDPR, they're like Bethesda and launch buggy games and fix them post-launch. (or every other studio now a days)
What was the issue is that they allowed the game to be sold on last-gen consoles that couldn't handle it.
ARK is already shit for me on my original Xbox-One, I can't imagine how Cyberpunk would be on my poor console.

[clever vortex]

Yup. As I said the main issues were just overhype and the fact that it really shouldn't have been released on last gen consoles.

[stray elm]

Aye, it at least showed the benchmark between the original One, and the One-X. 😆

[tropic crag]

Which was the shareholders and the execs fault, not the developers themselves

CDPR are great, their higher ups not so much

[stray elm]

Yep.
I rarely have blamed "developers" (the people actually making the game)
My issues always/most of the time lies within the people with the ties and suits.

[clever vortex]

lmao truuue

[tropic crag]

Vastly different from Bugthesda, who have full control over what they release and when 😂

[stray elm]

Well, not anymore.

They now have to go with Microsoft's deadlines.

[clever vortex]

As much as I love Bethesda's games, I really hope they swap to an engine that isn't held together by duct tape and Todd Howard's tears.

[tropic crag]

💯

[stray elm]

The engine is actually fine.
It's the fact that they don't use it right, even though they're the ones who 'made' it.

[tropic crag]

No, the creation engine is shit

Trust me

[stray elm]

Have you used it?

[tropic crag]

Yes, but not much

[stray elm]

Just feels like using Source, personally. 🤷‍♂️

[tropic crag]

Great for mod support, horrible for actual game making

[stray elm]

Fair.

[tropic crag]

Try making a game on it

[clever vortex]

ARK 1 has bugs - Wildcard swaps to a new engine for ARK 2.

Cyberpunk has bugs - CDPR swaps to a new engine.

Meanwhile Bethesda wrapping another layer of duct tape around the creation engine and stapling multiplayer onto it...

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, that shit was NOT meant for multiplayer.

[tropic crag]

Aren't they using UE5 for ES6?

[stray elm]

And yet, even modders made a better multiplayer then they did.

[stray elm]

Nope.

Oh wait, they are using a "different" (in quotations) engine for Starfield and ES6

Creation-Engine '2'
Which, if done right could actually be good.

[tropic crag]

I swear I saw/heard about them using nanite or something in a dev diary about ES6

[stray elm]

Nope, they're using CE-2

[stray elm]

Thank god you're actually getting your criticism from a personal take then videos.
I hate when people try to make the argument of "it's bad cause it's just a updated version of Morrowinds engine"
-Meanwhile, Unreal-Engine 5 is literally an updated/revamped version of Unreal-4, which is a updated/revamped Unreal-3, which goes all the way back to Unreal-1.

A lot of engines do this.
There's actually a whole family tree of game engines

Interesting fact: Titanfalls-engine is a modified version of Source, which is modified from the Quake engine!

[tropic crag]

At least they aren't going backwards or stagnating and using CE1 lol

[stray elm]

True

[tropic crag]

But yeah, hope they use UE5 in the future

[stray elm]

Doubtful

[clever vortex]

Best part about Bethesda's slight adjustments to the creation engine + reused assets, is that it makes each Bethesda game a paid mod of the previous one lmao

[tropic crag]

Paid mods... oh god, never remind me of the dark times

[clever vortex]

Oh those times aren't over yet. Creation Club exists :)

[stray elm]

And still gets new mods

[clever vortex]

Honestly though who uses creation club? You can get higher quality mods that do the same thing on the nexus

[tropic crag]

Not for Skyrim, it doesn't, haven't checked Fallout 4 though

[tropic crag]

Console players, basically lol

[clever vortex]

Why spent like 3 bucks on a low quality power armour model, when I can get one in 8k off the nexus

[tropic crag]

The edition that came with all of them for free was nice

Meant I didn't have to buy it for the Xbox again without getting something worth it in the process

[clever vortex]

Do you mean anniversary edition? Cause they weren't free.

[tropic crag]

Sure they were, if you didn't own the game, you bought the version that was the game + the anniversary edition and got them essentially free

I didn't own it for Xbox One, so I bought that one

[clever vortex]

Last time I checked they added drastically to the price, even when you got them and the game at the same time. Weird

Still mad about how anniversary edition broke all the actually good mods ;-;

[stray elm]

You think that's bad?
They updated 'AGAIN'

[tropic crag]

Yeah, they keep doing it

[stray elm]

Just let the game fucking DIE

[tropic crag]

Every update now breaks most of the mods

[silver grove]

☕

[tropic crag]

Was only like 40 for me, weird indeed

I still am waiting for the mod author/porter/who-the-fuck-ever to update Moonlight Tales so that I can actually fucking transform

Hope no mods end up like that on Ark 2, unsupported and forgotten

[clever vortex]

The update that came out alongside anniversary edition was the worst cause it changed the code to make stuff load faster, but then broke every script heavy mod by making their scripts run too fast. At least the other updates get patched quickly, but it took ages for all the mod authors to fix their scripts and there are plenty of great mods that still haven't been fixed.

[stray elm]

You know, the more I think about it, the more untapped potential ARK-2 could have.

[clever vortex]

Yup. That would suck.

[stray elm]

Like the mission system, with them (hopefully) being in their own instances. This could make it easier to have a slight choice-based story with in ARK.

Or more heavily scripted sequences.

[clever vortex]

That'd be really cool

[tropic crag]

Yeah, the console versions of Moonlight Tales and Moonpath: Journey to Elsweyr (I think that's what it's called, can't remember) are still heavily broken, as are like 90% of my perk tree, vampirism/lycanthropy, and world space/questline mods. It sucks because I would still be playing Skyrim right now almost every chance I could if the mods worked. They really did a number on us console peeps 😕

[ocean tendon]

pc master race

[prisma pike]

Bro even with all the mods in the world the game still gets old and boring.

[mint sleet]

if ark 2 is literally just a dlc im gonna be pissed

[fallow niche]

Probably check the pins, it's a new game.

[blissful perch]

Can you petition discord to force people to read pins for a channel?

[fallow niche]

[split dove]

Would help in these situations

[blissful perch]

Everyone wins

People ask less silly questions so I can not read them, and they get their questions answered instantly so they’re happy

0 losing parties

[prisma pike]

What if they can't read

[blissful perch]

That’s most of the ark community given how many questions used to be answered in the CC and yet people didn’t read it or asked for less information

I’m still stun locked that we asked WC to be less transparent

[tropic crag]

*to me, you forgot that part

[languid pollen]

Is Ark 2 gonna be playable on the One X? Or is it specifically for the Series S and X?

[stray elm]

Specifically with the Series-consoles.

Next-gen game.

[south lance]

we fucking LOVE unnecessary effort

[stray elm]

Unironically, yeah.
I fucking hate when they show 'too' much in their DLC trailers.

They're like the only company that 'over' shows DLC's.

[tropic crag]

You sure about that chief

[stray elm]

They're like the only company (that I know/remember) that 'over' shows DLC's

[tropic crag]

There are more companies out there that show off most (if not all) of the new mechanics, skins, and just content in general way more than Wildcard does

[ocean tendon]

name them

[tropic crag]

Ubisoft

EA

Literally any AAA company, basically

It's really not that hard to find

People like to know what they're paying for, it's not really a bad thing unless it's like a singleplayer game's story DLC

And they spoil the big twist in the fucking trailer

Makes me question how many games y'all actually play lmao

[fading swan]

Ark 1 is a shit, now imagine make a second game

[blissful perch]

If you’re on PlayStation you don’t have to, since ark 2 isn’t launching there 🙂

[stray elm]

ZING!!

[fading swan]

nice, eat aimbot

[blissful perch]

Well if that’s the complaint you’re welcome to just not play official PvP

[fading swan]

Thats why im on playstation 🙂

Only dupe there xD

But im joking im excited for ark 2

[tropic crag]

Your name holds true if you believe that Playstation only has dupers, lol

[blissful perch]

Transparency doesn’t mean “reveal all content”. It means telling us what’s being worked on or maybe insight into why certain things are being worked on

@stray elm

[stray elm]

I love being transparent.
People can't see me.

[tropic crag]

Like I said, people like to know what they're paying for. But I will also say I'm not one of them folks who likes to have the whole game laid out for me in the trailer, either.

[blissful perch]

The CC focused on how to deal with meshing and upcoming creature votes is more my drift

It’s transparency into the process and the knowledge we’re being heard and responded to

[tropic crag]

Ah, ok

[tropic crag]

😂

Wonder when I'll finally be able to just react to shit normally again... HINT HINT

[blissful perch]

Did you earn the right to clown emote again? I’m not sure you have heh

[tropic crag]

It's literally just an annoyance, doesn't serve any purpose when I can still react with extra steps

Dare I say it's useless

[stray elm]

Just like the real swamp-fever

[tropic crag]

SHAZAM

You got em there

(I hope there's actual diseases in Ark 2 that aren't garbage btw)

(Just to keep it on topic 🙄 )

[stray elm]

"Mega Rabies"
Rabies, but all the scary parts of rabies is removed!

Rabies is the closest thing to an IRL zombie virus that can infect humans, and It's reduced to a fucking health drain

[tropic crag]

More like

Puny Rabies

Heh

[stray elm]

Not even a rabies

It's more like organ failure.

Imagine an actual rabies virus in ARK-2

[tropic crag]

Minute organ failure, at best

[stray elm]

Once you die from it, your body keeps walking around to infect others. But fears water.

Now I unironically want rabies in ARK-2

Like a 'real' rabies virus

@tropic crag Your thoughts?

[tropic crag]

Nah, rather have turbo-cordyceps fungi, way cooler

Like an alien version

[stray elm]

True

Rabies is pretty fucking scary though.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, but you'd have to die for it to get to the cool part

With cordyceps, the cool part is that you don't die

You just aren't in control any more

[stray elm]

Well.
Ants do once they get to the mature stage.

Once the cordyceps starts sprouting out of their heads, their dead.

"Cordyceps fungi excel at infecting and killing insects. One particular species, Ophiocordyceps unilateralis, has become famous for its ability to turn ants into zombies. It grows through an ant's body, creating a network of filaments that commandeers the insect's muscles."

Same thing with rabies iirr.
Once the virus fully takes over the host, they're dead.

None the less. Both are horrifying and badass in their own ways.

Though this is also fiction, so they could make it like the 28-Days-Later virus and make infected people, rabies or Cordyceps, still alive while it controls their body.

Still also want tamable alien slime-molds in ARK-2.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, only once they're fruiting do they technically kill the host (and become completely stationary). But yeah they could just change aspects of them for game reasons

[stray elm]

Holy shit Bruce, I'm dying from old age while waiting for your ass to type. 😂

Oh, right on time

[tropic crag]

Lol

And there better be slimes, I do agree

[stray elm]

I want a realistic/alien version of slime-rancher.

Instead of collecting cute, rounded slimes with faces.
You're collecting masses of tendrils slime, coming for dat ass and trying to consume you alive while passive feeding it.

[tropic crag]

I'm not super hopeful, just because most media and such can't actually seem to depict a reasonably realistic version of what one would be like. They just go straight for the DnD or slime girl route, it sucks

[stray elm]

Yeaaah, but one can hope

[stray elm]

We're also in agreement that if they continue creature-votes for ARK-2. We're going to spread the idea of 'alien slime-mold' to everyone, and try to get it in the game. Right?

[tropic crag]

Oh for sure

[stray elm]

Gud

[blissful perch]

slime girls are about as realistic as a large spherical body (ie, not)

[stray elm]

Don't give me any thoughts, Shifter.

Next you'll make me want to vote in the ability for shapeshifting for said slime-molds.

[blissful perch]

what I actually want to see are more plants

[stray elm]

Plant girls?

[blissful perch]

bruh this is ark, not some anime game on steam :/

[stray elm]

Aye, you started it. xD

[blissful perch]

I think plants got severely shortchanged in ark 1, with only the four crops, plant XYZ, and R that provide more than berries...it would be epic to see more harvestable crops or even just harvestable plant resources in general to play with

"They just go straight for the DnD or slime girl route, it sucks" also: Bruce started it

[stray elm]

You know how DBD got a official dating sim?
Well, Wildcard is about to capitalize on that shit with Aratai's. 🤣

[blissful perch]

I'm sorry hold on

[stray elm]

[stray elm]

Them Aratai's got those Ara-thighs.

I'm sorry, I'll stop.

[blissful perch]

my eyes need scrubbing

[stray elm]

Why?
They're already shining!

[bold juniper]

Wearing those arataights

[stray elm]

I don't get that one......

[bold juniper]

Tights

[graceful tinsel]

Could saddle attachments be apart of the game

With like durability and functions

Like a saddle attachment for a rex that gives it front legs to increase its speed

[wispy sierra]

this is an idea that's been speculated here. i for one would love to see it

[graceful tinsel]

Oh cool

[wispy sierra]

there's a lot of potential there

like for example, armor could be an attachment. Or maybe extra storage, light, weight reduction. many possibilites

[stray elm]

This may be the case, since Santiago's rex in the trailer had a custom saddle.
Which the trailers use game-assets iirr.

[wispy sierra]

worst case scenario it's just a skin

[stray elm]

That's one of the best cases

At least it'll exist.

And not just be a Santiago exclusive, or trailer exclusive thing.

[wispy sierra]

paid skin

[stray elm]

After what Snail-Games did with paid-skins in ARK, and how Wildcard gave them the middle finger and made them into actual creatures. I don't think that'll be an issue for long.

[graceful tinsel]

So much potential for the crafting system

[stray elm]

So much potential in general

[mint swan]

wait, what creatures are you referring to here?

ping me if you respond

[past wind]

Some of the tek creature skins (tek quetzal, tek mosa, tek parasaur etc) are paid on consoles.

[stray elm]

Tek creatures

Originally, they where paid 'bionic' skins, when ARK came out of early-access

[ripe moss]

[mint swan]

ah those. if you really want the skins, you can also spawn them via admin commands lol

[ocean tendon]

bionic giga

[tropic crag]

Bionic giga has never been a paid skin

And yeah, we don't talk about how they said those skins were supposed to be free for all after a year of release... oh wait

[untold totem]

technically "it's free"

but you need to cheat it lol

[tropic crag]

Yeeeeah...

[bold juniper]

How then do all the bobs I kill have all the skins

[fallow niche]

Back to ark2 please.

Feel free to move to #ark-survival-ascended or #general.

[bold juniper]

I want ark2 megafauna

That is tameable not just silly dinosaurs

[untold totem]

i want more unique creatures since it is gonna be an alien planet

[wild kraken]

the pt's look sick

love that little butterfly design on their wings

hopefully the cinematic doesnt cap and actually includes it in the game

[blissful perch]

May the PT’s be as strong as their butterfly pattern indicates 😍

[lime forge]

I want under water shoulder pets

[tropic crag]

[blissful perch]

More amphibious mounts pls (that aren’t shadowmane OP)

[tropic crag]

Koolasuchus pls

I'll actually be typing up a full list of dinos I'd like to see in Ark 2 soon, classified by either returning tames or new ones, only dinos/Ark 1 tames obviously because the aliens are going to be original, and thus I have no insight there. But when done I'll post it here for sure, I think there's a few some people would agree with me on 😉

[blissful perch]

Ping me with the list. You splitting it into returning ark 1 and new prehistoric creatures?

[silver grove]

That is gonna be one scuffed ass list 💀

[blissful perch]

I’m wondering if I should make one. Then again I kinda think I want to know more about ark 2’s mechanics first

[silver grove]

My list

Thylacoleo
Megatherium
Otter

[blissful perch]

I’ll only take megatherium if they rework it completely to embody ground sloth energy

[silver grove]

Yuh

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 megatherium is basically just furry bug gimmick to me 🙃

My biggest hope is to see an enforcer like creature that has satisfying momentum conservation on its “blinks”. Doesn’t need to be the enforcer per se, but I’m very down to see a broken down derelict enforcer if that’s the way I get what I want

[tropic crag]

Yes, the creatures I want to see return and the new real prehistorics I'd like to see be added

Leaving out aliens and hybrids because it's their job to surprise us there

[blissful perch]

It’s safe to say that any list you’ve got doesn’t include new creatures WC is making

[tropic crag]

And I suggest you make one too, can't really have them put what we want in the game when they don't know what we want per se

[blissful perch]

I have the opposite because it’s shorter

[untold ingot]

That was from an old trailer. Judging on how the raptor, dodo and Rex got complete reworks I would depend on the pts looking like that

[blissful perch]

List of stuff I don’t want to see or creature mechanics I don’t want to see

[wild kraken]

i really hope they stay like that it looks really good

and a welcome change to yer old triangle wings

[untold ingot]

I am going to bet they are going to get a rework honestly

[tropic crag]

From how they look in the trailer for Ark 2? Pressing X

[blissful perch]

All fliers are likely being reworked

The flier nerf was a big controversy because people had something taken away. In ark 2, it’s just going to be the new standard

[tropic crag]

He's only talking about their visuals, I thought

[wild kraken]

what nerf

[blissful perch]

THE flier nerf?

[tropic crag]

Oh boy

[wild kraken]

bro i didnt even realize they got nerfed wha happen

wait move out of ark 2 btw bc

flier nerf has nothing to do with ark 2 🤓

[blissful perch]

Time to nerf em again for ark 2

[blissful perch]

THE flier nerf (ark 1) may have less to do with ark 2, but it’s the direction I want to see ark 2 go even farther in

Get them filthy fliers off my ding darn ark 2 maps

[wild kraken]

was the flyer nerf the thing that you could level up speed on flyers

[tropic crag]

A reasonable chatter that doesn't go off topic? What has the world come to

[wild kraken]

just simply built different

so anyways i do think a different design on pts would look cool

[blissful perch]

When I show up the chat talks about ark 1 insofar as it impacts ark 2

So the ark 1 flier nerf discussion is directly relevant because we want to see it taken farther in ark 2 🤓

[wild kraken]

i believe there should be like an animation or like make them slower in takeoff

i wouldnt like it in pvp but itd be way more balanced

and real as like all those dinos back in the day took a while to get off their toes

heavy ahh

[blissful perch]

A slower takeoff only solved a tiny piece of the problem, which is just yeetin across the map ezpz without travel being an in depth affair

[untold ingot]

Fliers need to feel vulnerable, because irl birds and stuff really are

[blissful perch]

Maps functionally shrink with fliers, and that lowers the quality of the map and the experience by a major degree

[tropic crag]

I do think flyers should have to have a vantage point to jump from to get started, not just jump off the ground and fly for days

Unless it's like the argy where it's built for that I guess

But the pteras defo shouldn't

[untold ingot]

The argy is a problem as far as I am concerned lol. It has too much weight, too much melee and too much hp for a flier

[tropic crag]

Well, all flyers should have little to no weight in my book, so that right there kinda helps

And a big bird should be easy to hurt but also hurt you if you're dive bombed and grabbed in those meat hooks

Like it should hurt bad

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but and argy isn't going to dive bomb a rex

[tropic crag]

Maybe also make them drop things to kill them in the wild? Maybe that can be a new strength to make up for nerfing health and weight?

[tropic crag]

Well no duh, it would only hunt things it can carry, would it not?

[blissful perch]

I don’t see why it couldn’t dive a rex

[tropic crag]

Birds don't just attack elephants or lions lmao

[blissful perch]

Blue jays and other birds attack larger animals all the time. It’s just insanely risky

[tropic crag]

Maybe when tamed, but a wild one should see the risk and not go for it, unless the rex is on it's last legs or something

Or there's several things already attacking it perhaps, tries to swoop in for the kill

[blissful perch]

Wild argis in fairness shouldn’t really approach a non corpse

[tropic crag]

Would make sense, sure

[blissful perch]

Or I suppose a “small” creature they can easily bag, like a player or dodo

[tropic crag]

Which was kinda my original thought process

Only tries to pick things it could kill and eat within a few seconds or so

And obviously they'd still land to feast on leftover bodies, since I'm also hoping that harvesting a body isn't so ridiculously easy and takes time, and that wild dinos only eat til full

[blissful perch]

It would be cool to attract argis by leaving a corpse and waiting

[silver grove]

Fliers should not be able to carry much weight realistically in terms of the argy atleast since it is a bird, but it needs to be able to carry a reasonable amount so you don't have to use the flier with no armor, no weapons, no resources just to reach the weight limit

[blissful perch]

Sure, but right now I can carry an entire Toyota sedan on an Argi

[silver grove]

True

[tropic crag]

🤣

[bold juniper]

Hawks and eagles irl actually have high carry weight for their size

[silver grove]

It should be able to carry a player, their weapons and maybe 100 or so pounds of resources. Not a 12 ton dinosaur or 16 wheeler

[bold juniper]

I’m pretty sure there are eagles that carry baby dear

[silver grove]

For their size yes but they can't carry 2,000 pounds or their hollow ahh bones will snap

It should be reasonable but being able to carry an anky is a stretch.

[tropic crag]

[blissful perch]

Also, to be nice to you all, who gives a shit about realism here?

[bold juniper]

Well then the Andy becomes usless

[blissful perch]

Fliers carrying too much makes the game too easy, and it’s time to not do that. It’s nice and simple

I’d rather have long hauls by land that you do infrequently

[silver grove]

I feel like dinosaurs like the trex already struggle to hold up their weight so adding a thousand extra would not make any sense

[tropic crag]

🙋‍♂️ (a little bit, in some respects)

[bold juniper]

Krab

[silver grove]

Mr Krabs tame

You get metal, you get pennies

[blissful perch]

I’m dreaming of herbivore caravans carrying stuff around the map, let me enjoy my dream

[lavish rain]

I forgot if you were OK with quetzals and argies or if it was just wyverns

[silver grove]

That would be a lot cooler honestly.

I'd enjoy a caravan of trikes, stegos, and ankylos carrying my stuff all over

[blissful perch]

I think the quetz is ok if it either takes a heavy combat role or it is weight heavy for a Flying Fortress sort of tame. Not both

[bold juniper]

I think climbers are gonna be precedent

[barren spindle]

I hope Ark 2 makes the Anky a true Anky

A walking tank with a mace

[untold ingot]

Quetz platforms will only be a good thing if turrets are not the form of defense

[past wind]

Don’t forget this is a game. They have to balance the tames accordingly

Ankies are early game tames. They can’t be too powerful

[untold ingot]

I disagree, ankies should be a more powerful mid-late game tame

[blissful perch]

I do think we need a new class of tames that specialize in hauling

Right now tames that excel in harvesting also are usually the best to haul the resource (with some exceptions from the skiff and gasbags). But it would be really interesting to have specialized haulers that pair with gathering mounts

[untold ingot]

Or just a couple cart structures

[blissful perch]

Tames/vehicles, though I’m always wary of vehicles in ark

[untold ingot]

Well, you would need the tames to pull the carts

[blissful perch]

I’m flexible with the method the tames express their hauling, so a cart is a valid option sure

[past wind]

Sure, my point is ankies are early game tames on Ark 1. And they should be balanced to that.

On Ark 2 they might put other tame to fit this role

[untold ingot]

For ark1 yeah, but this is about ark2

Ankies need to be the tank

[past wind]

Like shifter said, they need to create intermediary tools to fill the void

[untold ingot]

I mean that is what the metal tools were supposed to be

They are just too easy to get

[blissful perch]

There’s less reason to create creatures for different progression stages when there are no wipes

Better to instead have creatures perform different niches and open new niches to people as they progress, instead of creatures with objectively superior counterparts becoming available at higher levels

[untold ingot]

I mean if it is completely pvp centric sure. But for pve, people basically wipe every time they beat a boss

[blissful perch]

Not on official to my understanding for PvE

[untold ingot]

That's a fair point

True, but official pve is by far not the most played version of pve

[blissful perch]

Sure, but then again I can’t ask WC to make official settings tailored to those folks who will change stuff anyway now can I 😂

[untold ingot]

Well, you weren't discussing settings, you were discussing game design

The game design definitely needs some sort of more consistent progression for the large number of people who play ark specifically for that

[bold juniper]

Game progression makes good pvp

But they all need to have ways to counter the next progression so that advanced tribes can’t just bully bobs

[past wind]

Ark 1 did that with a constant flow of new DLCs

I don’t think Ark 2 will change that

[untold ingot]

Ark1 did not have a good progression system lol

[past wind]

Agreed, but they never focused on the lore (my opinion)

[untold ingot]

I don't see how focusing on lore makes for better game play progression

[bold juniper]

Lol

Call me a mad man but I enjoy Conan game progression

[past wind]

It makes more sense to me to follow the lore. 😂

But playing pvp and following the lore wouldn’t be great

[bold juniper]

It might but idk

Pvprs aren’t much for lore typically or they don’t want it intrusive on gameplay

To which I kinda agree

[past wind]

I used to play pvp. Wouldn’t be ideal for sure. 😂

[untold ingot]

The lore makes for a fun story, but it doesn't add to game play progression

[blissful perch]

Progression means the RPG aspects

[stray elm]

I don't care what they do.
I just want my tamable alien slime-mold.

[blissful perch]

Leveling up, getting new armor/tames/etc

[past wind]

Don’t you think releasing new ascensions/engrams/items/creatures is the best way to keep ark through time?

[bold juniper]

I want arathighs in arataights

[untold ingot]

Ark plays just fine with no lore, as evidenced by all of the free dlc maps

[past wind]

I mean, I’m attached to this game for 7 years because of the new content. 😂

[blissful perch]

The issue is that progression elements shouldn’t offer unique gameplay in only one stage imo. Kinda like how cool spears are and how utterly useless they are after about an hour of playing

[bold juniper]

Yup

I personally love spears more then anything in fighting games

[blissful perch]

That’s not progression Charlie, that’s the DLC/content release schedule

[bold juniper]

But they never get any love

[blissful perch]

Progression errors in ark include the aforementioned spear example, or for example the fact that at level 20/105 (assuming no ascensions) you unlock metal tools…and there’s nothing better except perhaps chainsaws and mining drills (which are soft upgrades since chainsaws don’t work underwater)

[untold ingot]

That is a different unrelated topic lol

[blissful perch]

RIP the bow/crossbow/slingshot

[bold juniper]

Hell no pike op

You can hit guys off bat with pike

[stray elm]

-me who still uses pikes

[bold juniper]

Whilst picked

Melee bob time

[blissful perch]

Ok I didn’t know that. Scratch the pike example

[bold juniper]

It’s the same for all other flyers

[stray elm]

Pikes are just jacked spears.
Their hit range is FAR

[bold juniper]

Just maker sure your chara has long arms and big hands

It’s not required just helps

[past wind]

I was thinking about levels/engrams/ascensions. What do you mean by progression then?

[bold juniper]

Remember the level system is different in ark2

[untold ingot]

Progressing from beach Bob to be able to take on the map with impunity...

[stray elm]

And it seems like the knowledge points may be tide into the possibly returning mission system.

SHIT

[untold ingot]

You know, the actual game other than just bosses lol

[stray elm]

I need coffee.

[past wind]

I see. That need a big redesign for sure.

[stray elm]

I do see where everyone comes from that "people don't play ARK for its lore"
But I for one am kind of happy that some gameplay elements are 'TIED' to the story, from what it seems like.
Hopefully it'll be a good system.

[past wind]

I was thinking about progression over time (years). I mean, I always thought that the Giga came too soon to the game. It would be more interesting to have such a powerful creature some years after release not on the first months.

[untold ingot]

That is the redesign we were talking about lol

The actual progression from map to map is something that few players actually do

[blissful perch]

I also hate doing that lol

[untold ingot]

It would be more interesting to never have such a powerful creature lol

[blissful perch]

Starting from scratch and adapting to a tough environment is a survival game at its finest

Yea Charlie seems to think progression means increasing the maximum player power level as the game gets older

I hate when games do that lol

[untold ingot]

I mean, it is the least interesting aspect of pve, and the most vital of pvp

[blissful perch]

I think you could disable transfers from one map type to another and PvP would still manage (if that’s what you mean)

[past wind]

We need more “PVE threats”. The Aratai might have an important role on that.

Would be nice to be unsafe on our bases 😂

[blissful perch]

A sidestep from the point but sure

I’m actually more bothered by the map being safe than I am my base. I play PvE so I don’t get offlined, and I don’t need the wildlife breaking things while I’m asleep

[untold ingot]

That wouldn't work lol

[blissful perch]

You couldn’t have islands only transfer to other islands? Why not?

It would address the “alphas can’t be challenged” issue and the “power creep from new DLC makes p2w complaints and ruins old maps” issue

[untold ingot]

It would also make the older maps mostly obsolete each time a new map releases

[blissful perch]

It would make them separate

[untold ingot]

It would make them basically a separate game that would die out on each new map

[blissful perch]

It wouldn’t make them obsolete: free transfers do that by allowing new tames and items to crush the old maps

[bold juniper]

Umm center isn’t obsolete and it was first dlc

Island isn’t obsolete

[untold ingot]

This is pvp we are talking. Older maps still have good base locations

[past wind]

I’m not sure Ark 2 DLCs will be new maps.

It seems the original map will be huge

[untold ingot]

If you make it so new maps can't transfer to old maps, then people will stop playing the old maps

[untold ingot]

There is no official statement on that yet

[bold juniper]

But by allowing transfers people flow and move and nothing feels stagnant

[untold ingot]

Free transfers are vital to keeping pvp going. Map to map balance needs a little work is all

[bold juniper]

Yeah title be easier with the new engine to

[silk violet]

I am not ready for new... just saying. I only started playing a few months ago. I enjoy it but I have so much content that I still want to do that a new full game would seem silly to buy at this point.

If you want my 2 cents

[bold juniper]

You have about a year

And the servers aren’t going down

[woeful kiln]

They will

[past wind]

On Steam description says: Massive Alien planet (or something like that)

[fallow niche]

You'll have anywhere from 6 months to 3 years to wait for ark 2 as well, since you're on PS.

[bold juniper]

Im sure you’ll be fine especially if your a ps4 player

[blissful perch]

I see. You believe old maps should only retain value for play space rather than player progression/items/tames. That’s valid

[bold juniper]

Island is vital for note run

And ascension

[blissful perch]

You have plenty of time, since ark 2 won’t launch on PS

[bold juniper]

Center is good for its fight

[untold ingot]

For pvp absolutely

[bold juniper]

They also have good farming areas per map

Abb has megametal

[untold ingot]

But any good pvper basically uses all the maps anyway

[bold juniper]

Every map has progression to offer

[blissful perch]

If only PvP wasn’t a long haul anarchy siege sim

[bold juniper]

It isn’t most of the time

Only big tribes take about a day total

Mega tribes maybe more

[untold ingot]

I mean, big raids should take longer imo

[blissful perch]

I can’t wait to see notes removed. What an awful mechanic for progression lol

[stray elm]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Shifter....did you just say you hate progressing through the maps in order?

[blissful perch]

I hate taking the same character through them, yes

I prefer a scratch start on each map

[stray elm]

Isn't this the very thing your server is dedicated to?

[bold juniper]

That’s what pve servers are

[blissful perch]

I lost the vote to transfer almost nothing and have fresh characters heh

[stray elm]

Get nae-naed.

I'm joking

(kind of)

[blissful perch]

Compromise be like 😂

[stray elm]

I do love democracy. 🤣

[prisma pike]

Who tf wants no transfers? And why

[stray elm]

Shifter

[blissful perch]

In my personal play yes

You’re gonna make him PvP reee on me Spartan. I can already see he’s frothing

[stray elm]

All part of the plan

[prisma pike]

Yes

Imma do it

[stray elm]

I love making others suffer

[untold ingot]

I mean for a normal pve map, no transfers is fine. But for a storymode run through, the entire point is the map to map progression lol

[blissful perch]

Trolling does correlate well with sadism, so there’s that

[stray elm]

It's also in the name

[prisma pike]

@blissful perch face when he ascends and is automatically uploaded

[stray elm]

If we get a region-based system in ARK-2, I could see transfers not being a thing. But future DLC's being new regions.

[untold ingot]

I would prefer that approach honestly

[blissful perch]

There’s certainly something cleaner about it, and ofc that’s how all MMO titles work lol

[stray elm]

My only issue is server renting

If they're going to do that, I think they need to not go as fucking much grids that Atlas has.

[untold ingot]

Provided 100% that it is not a lame story progression npc filled nightmare like all the other games I have seen like that lol

[stray elm]

A grid the size of Genesis-2, that's in a 2x2 grid would be enough I think.

[untold ingot]

Atlas maps really should have been computer generated

[untold ingot]

Ehhh, if each region is basically all the same biome yeah

I mean this is ue5, the capability of much larger maps is a thing

[stray elm]

I don't mean Genesis-2's biome.
I mean the 'size'

[stray elm]

Yes, but hardware limitations are also a thing

[untold ingot]

I want to stand on top of the tallest mountain and only see jungle, or stand on a volcano and only see an ashfield

[untold ingot]

ue5 makes it a lot easier to handle

especially compared to arks wonky version of ue4

[stray elm]

UE5 is a powerful software.
But not everyones PC's would be able to handle a HUUUUGE game.
And I know nanite is fucking broken, but it even has its limits.

[prisma pike]

So is coding things to not eat up performance

[untold ingot]

I want to see nanite stretched by how massive ark2 maps are.

[prisma pike]

If you have a fat ass base in ark 1 it derenders things you're not looking at

[blissful perch]

You can also just slow down travel to make maps feel larger

[untold ingot]

I mean, there are games more with more graphic fidelity than ark that also have more people and a larger map

[stray elm]

I do also.
But I don't want them to 'exceed' the limits of nanite, only just push it.

[blissful perch]

You’re losing quality 100% of the time when you demand massive maps that can’t be hand modified

It’s harder to QC too

[untold ingot]

I mean, if they are mostly the same biome it is a lot easier

[stray elm]

Still exists in the servers database.

[untold ingot]

There are solutions to that too lol

[blissful perch]

The same biome has no impact on QC for mesh holes or other terrain abnormalities

[prisma pike]

Ok but we're talking about your systems performance not the servers

[blissful perch]

It may impact quality not dropping as badly if the map Gen is sufficiently robust though

[untold ingot]

Uh, no. We are talking about the servers performance

[stray elm]

What do you think is going to be the server if you're in a single-player game?

Your own system will.

[prisma pike]

Who cares Abt singleplayer

[stray elm]

A lot of people but you.

[blissful perch]

Ugh, it’s true that we are limited by Xbox specs

[prisma pike]

Yes and I'm sure ark 1 was too wasn't it

[untold ingot]

doesnt xbox have red dead redemption? I have heard that map is way bigger than arks maps

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 was designed prior to console release, and yes it did get pigeon holed into console restrictions

[blissful perch]

Iirc there’s way fewer complex mobs on a RDR2 map though

[prisma pike]

That's why xbox's crash constantly on series x unless you turn down settings. Cause the devs totally handicapped the game for the system.

[stray elm]

Yes, but not by as much as what you're saying for a ARK-2 map.
It's like 3 Genesis-2's.

[untold ingot]

Gen2s issues werent entirely the size of the map, but rather the complexity of the map lol

[stray elm]

It was part of the size.

If you go onto the edges of the map, the game literally starts tearing itself apart.

[untold ingot]

If a map is gen2 size and consists of a single biome type then it would be a looooot more efficient performacewise

[blissful perch]

Gen 2 IS basically three biomes

[prisma pike]

And boring

[stray elm]

Shadows start to fuck up, and more glitches.

[untold ingot]

Not really, gen2 has all of the missions which basically are their own biomes

[blissful perch]

I’ve been memed

Missions are conducted within realistically one of two biomes (rockwell or eden)

There are some instanced missions, but I’d hardly call them new biomes

[stray elm]

That's away from the actual playable map.

[prisma pike]

He means missions like star dolphin lol

[untold ingot]

They still exist as ingame assets and take up space

[blissful perch]

That same restriction is coming to ark 2 lol since we’re getting story missions

[untold ingot]

They also have different controls and ai and everything when compared to the rest of the map

[stray elm]

They take up space, yes.
But that wasn't my point.
Genesis-2 is width wise, a big map that tears itself apart once you get to the border.