ark-2

[lime forge]

8700k

I haven’t needed to upgrade anything except storage since I’ve built it.

[iron sequoia]

Let’s try tailor this back to ark2 lol

[tropic crag]

Well, the 1080 ti is generally the best pre-RTX card, so I'll give you that, but it can't do raytracing while say the Xbox Series X can (which I hope to see taken advantage of with Ark 2 😉 )

My main point though before going to sleep is essentially just the fact that to stay top of the line with PC parts you pay out the ass or play a juggling game and sell old parts while buying new ones. Or, you can just, you know, make one purchase every 7 or so years and be top of the line for 7 years to come 😂

Anywho, goodnight all

[blissful perch]

In terms of ark 2, it’s more like “the line has to come down to the console for seven years because true specs (IE pc) don’t work on console release schedules”

[wild kraken]

i yearn for gameplay trailer

[split dove]

one more month until that's likely

[wild kraken]

nice cool epic

also third person only sound EPIC

[keen summit]

Damn I got mine for under 500

[nova thicket]

Well those are prices from when it recently came out

i didnt check the current prices

[keen summit]

Ok well I got mine like a month ago

Maybe 2

[silver grove]

Stores near me have the series S for 200 and the series X for 500

[fallow niche]

Back to Ark2

[silver grove]

Ong

[mighty lion]

Atleast give me an ark 2 skin for the series x

[blissful perch]

Nah, just change the Xbox boot sound to a VD grunt

[split dove]

grunts and says*** respawned again*** when you start it up

[lavish rain]

Leave leave leave leave leave leave get the fuck out/j

[split dove]

[lavish rain]

Whe

[lime forge]

Your console will never be “top of the line” though. Barely even scrapes mid tier.

[nova thicket]

there should be an ark II console when it comes out

[lime forge]

You rang

[lavish rain]

No sleep

[cyan dagger]

Hi people

[blissful perch]

Optimization has also helped PC gaming a ton…in the old days it was “if the game didn’t run that was that” but now many games have settings for less than top of the line specs. I assume ark 2 will do the same

[past wind]

Unless Ark 2 is released super optimized, I wouldn’t count on it running on high/ultra on older hardware (older GPUs and CPUs).

I remember Ark 1 used to run really bad on the best hardware available on 2016. It was even worse when playing on big bases and a lot of dinos.

[blissful perch]

But you don’t need to run it on high or ultra on all specs

[past wind]

Agreed

[regal hound]

If it's made in UE5, optimization is literally light years ahead, especially if they're utilizing Nanite. In other words, you should be able to run ARK 2 smoothly on nearly any major graphics card made within the last 8-10 years with little difficulty. Nanite is a hell of a drug.

[winter jungle]

But they also make more money to pay for more employees to do these things..?

[blissful perch]

That’s why it’s done, yes. But even with a large team it still takes more time than it otherwise would to make a concept and roll it out to everyone. If there was no return on investment consoles wouldn’t have got ark at all lol

I’m not sure if the new Xbox is different but afaik it used to be that you basically had different “versions” of the game for each console, which complicates and extends development

[winter jungle]

Or to play it in a modern resolution, like 1440p or 4k...To hit 60fps (at only 1080p), the GTX 970 has to run Ark on Medium graphics settings. You can run it in 1440p or 4k with a Series S or Series X, respectively. For me, 1080p isn't a great target to be aiming for since 4k has been around for many years at this point. This isn't a competitive shooter/sports game. This game looks so much better in higher resolutions, and that 970 is going to laugh at you if you try to crank your resolution any higher than 1080p.

[tropic crag]

The Series X was better than any PC that wasn't made by like NASA for the better part of it's current lifetime, tf you mean lmao

You missed my point entirely

[tropic crag]

Sure you don't need to, but then, what's the point?

[past wind]

I had a 970 + i7 4790k. Inside the "jungle" of The Island or inside my base (lots of X-Plants and dinos) it was a nightmare. And it didn't make any difference lowering my settings.

But yeah, within some time, it was way better than the release version.

I remember a friend that had 3x GTX 780 Ti and it was also a nightmare to him. 😂

[winter jungle]

This is just incorrect. I build my own PCs and also game just as much on a Series X. My PC that I built 2-3 years ago is significantly more powerful than my Series X.

[past wind]

But like others said, UE5 isn't UE4.

Also, we will have some idea when Atlas updates to UE5. It's a complex game running on Unreal Engine.

[tropic crag]

The graphics card in the Series X is more powerful than the 2080 Super, and only just behind the 2080 Ti, the best card at the time of the Series X's release, which is still about 1500-2000 USD at the time of me typing this. You must be rich or some ish, bro

[stray elm]

Correct me if I'm wrong. But didn't the Series-X and the RTX 3080 came out in 2020?

[tropic crag]

I know I ain't spending 2 grand on one part of a computer when I can't get almost the same thing with a console

[stray elm]

True, true.
But a RTX 3080 will still be hella good in years to come compared to a console. And if you're patient, the prices will lower.

Oh, also side note. My new motherboard I'm getting is Ray-Traced supportive.
So I wont need to update my mobo for awhile.

My cpu I ordered is also a i7-12700F @tropic crag

[tropic crag]

Uhhh, the Series X is still gonna be hella good for years to come too

[fallow niche]

Back to Ark2

[tropic crag]

Ark 2 is going to release on the Series X and PCs, is it not?

But fair point

[fallow niche]

Considering it's not parts channel it's ark2 channel

[stray elm]

Only talking about it here since general is a shitstorm, and I don't wanna get involved with that.

[fallow niche]

Keep it on topic or go to dms or yalls server then.

[winter jungle]

Your quote: "The Series X was better than any PC that wasn't made by like NASA for the better part of it's current lifetime, tf you mean lmao"

The 2080 Super, which I had in my PC previously, had already been out for a while. Bottom line, it was nowhere near the most powerful PC at any point in its lifetime.

[winter jungle]

Have you read the conversation? We are discussing the performance of Ark 2 on PC vs Console. Or do you not want us to help people figure out what they may actually need to be able to run Ark 2 here?

[fallow niche]

No, it was not about Ark2 or even what was needed to run. As I said, you can move to general or keep this channel on topic.

[tropic crag]

Hence the NASA part, but either way let's get back on topic

Man's typin out an essay

[winter jungle]

Lol ok, let's discuss Ark 2 then. I hope Ark 2 isn't the absolute garbage can performance on next gen consoles that Ark is. And that Ark 2 doesn't leave holes in the map that allow people to get into a base completely untouched, then provide nothing more than an automated message that effectively says "we're going to do nothing but ban that meshers alt account so they can keep wiping people's bases as they please. Your tribe's hundreds/thousands of hours of time invested was wasted, sorry bro!" And that Ark 2 isn't an absolute cess pool of PC cheaters ruining the entire game for Xbox players. Every experience I have with anyone related to Wildcard makes me seriously doubt I'll ever actually buy Ark 2. Lol

[tropic crag]

Ah, the old PvP Xbox official player, you hate to see it

[winter jungle]

Lol they said talk about Ark 2...🤷‍♂️

[tropic crag]

I'm sorry for your loss, but uh, it's a video game bro, chill

[winter jungle]

Yep. It's so, so bad. Lol

[winter jungle]

I'm good, but so close on the assumption I guess? Lol. My base is perfectly fine. I guess you'd be just fine if someone just wiped out everything you'd spent TONS of time on?

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I would. Because it's just a video game. And if I subjected myself to the torture that is official, I'd not only see it coming but expect it lol

I played on legacy, where they deleted our entire servers to repurpose them for the new official, trust me, no one has been hurt more by official than me and my co-alphas were when they deleted our servers back-to-back

But that's why I own my own cluster now, it was a smart choice tbh

Screw official, never playing it again, not even in Ark 2

Too many cheaters and mega tribes (🤮)

[stray elm]

This is me exactly.
I played official PvP up to Extinction.
Never again.

[tropic crag]

💯

[blissful perch]

Valid complaints, but one thing I’m oh so curious about is why people play official at all knowing all these flaws as basically common knowledge at this point. Is there no other option?

[silver grove]

Solo play 😎

[blissful perch]

There will be CoC abusers even if hard cheating is less common. The question will still boil down to admin presence and enforcement, and I’m as skeptical as the average PvP chatter about a sudden change in behavior (though my skepticism is economically based rather than me thinking WC hates us)

[ocean tendon]

yeah clash of clans abusers everywhere man

[silver grove]

Rainforest biome in Ark 2

I just liked the rain but it would be cool to have more new biomes added

Nothing crazy but something refreshing

Maybe not the whole map but fog would be funny when a giga pops out of it 💀

But for PvP that would be horrendous

[blissful perch]

I like the idea and concept of fog, but it has to obscure the wildlife and the players from each other rather than just the players

[untold totem]

i would love to use weather as an advantage like Fogs obscure manned or living turrets for you to sneak through forcing people to use weaker plant turrets for automation

[winter jungle]

It's common knowledge to those who have been playing for a while. I just started playing this year, so i had no idea how bad it was.

[untold totem]

official is bad, very bad

especially when all famous ARK PVP players left official to make their own servers/clusters

now that Consoles get mods in ARK 2, there is little to no good reason to play official anymore as Unofficial and Non-Dedi gets more offerings and modes through mods

[tropic crag]

[versed aspen]

They should focus on the pve side of things this game. Then let the pvp side slowly fall into it place. Much potential.

[stray elm]

Unironically seems like they are.

Having a more front-view story, souls-like combat, more senses to a creature A.I seems all more PvE based then PvP to me.

[versed aspen]

And I believe they should keep doing it that way. Souls like combat seems fun to me for pvp. Or even fighting tamed creatures of other tribes would be more intense than being bola’d and shotgunned. Or OP creatures. I honestly think pvp shouldn’t be a thing, but I know they would lose a large part of their fan base.

Still , not my game and can’t wait to see what they choose to do for both sides

[untold totem]

surprisingly, the PVP side is NOT that "big" like they said they are, they are close to 50/50

that not include SP which ARE PVE aside from non-dedi

[versed aspen]

True

[long pivot]

Those are the people that exploit ark for profits! Look at the ark related discords where they promote selling the Facebook accounts the YouTube videos showing what the devs have known since day one. Honestly devs are part of the problem, in my opinion.

[untold totem]

this is why wipes are needed.. people need to get used to the fact where nothing last forever if you want those RMT gone in ARK

[lime forge]

Some wiping servers would be cool but periodically wiping all officials would suck. I really don’t care about RMTs for tames, resources and bases. My biggest concern is hacks and exploits.

[untold totem]

Hacks and Exploits will never go away in any game, it's like an arms race between the Devs and the Hackers who sell the programs for profit and information

[lime forge]

Proper enforcement can contain hacks and exploits.

It’s seen in many games. They may find a new way to do what they want to do but proper enforcement can put a stop to the method and the people behind it.

[steep cairn]

also we wont know what ark 2 will be like in case of what kind of hacks will even be useful

I dont think ark 2 will be as "free" or "unrestricted" as ark 1 in case of movement at least

[untold totem]

The thing is most games are not sandbox and easily moderated by a few team of people unlike ARK

[prisma pike]

What you said at the end is it. Dedis are worse because at least on official you don't get spun constantly. And any smart mesher on a dedi won't get caught, especially considering that dedis have very, very bad antimeshing, only teleporting you instead of deleting you from existence.

And even being on a tame in general makes you ignored by it on some maps

Idk why dedis don't have proper antimeshing but they really need it

Oh also on official it's way harder to dupe

And duped items usually get auto deleted by the game

But not on dedis 🤷‍♂️

[lime forge]

They do. It’s just a setting that determines whether you’re displaced or deleted.

[prisma pike]

Then why do none of them ever use it?

[lime forge]

This is also a setting on dedis

[lime forge]

Idk. Probably because they don’t wanna lose everything if they get Arked

[prisma pike]

Are you talking nitrado? Because I've helped run a nitrado server and saw no options for either of those.

Steam dedis might have it better because they have more options than nitrado

[lime forge]

Yes. I run a small cluster with Nitrado and can confirm both settings exist.

[prisma pike]

Bruh where

I didn't see that shit when I helped run one lol

And I had to code almost the whole thing

[lime forge]

It’s there in the settings. They’re both check boxes.

[prisma pike]

Bruh dm me a ss I can't check cause that servers long gone lol

[tropic crag]

They do, you must have missed them

[prisma pike]

Nah the settings are just for turning off the systems for antimeshing

The ones that are already on

[tropic crag]

No, there's a setting that determines whether the player is killed or simply teleported

[prisma pike]

Yes, I know. Dedis only kill and don't delete you.

That's the issue because that system ignores tames for the most part

Officials system deletes you and your tame if you try

[tropic crag]

Again, you must've missed them. I know they exist because I've had to turn them on lol

[prisma pike]

Bro he sent me a ss and they're literally just check boxes to turn the setting OFF

It's on by default

The anti dupe is there though I was wrong about that.

[blissful perch]

Does official PvE also have the character entity delete when outside the mesh?

[prisma pike]

I don't see why they would need it tbh

But maybe

[tropic crag]

I think I may have misunderstood what you were getting at, if you meant deleting character saves, then yeah us server owners have to do that manually, the mesh doesn't do it for us. I thought you meant killing character, tame, and deleting the death bag, which unofficials do in fact do

[fallow niche]

Let's swing it back around to ark 2 please, looks like it's veering a bit off topic.

[lime forge]

Do you ever check the Ark 2 channel and just think “these fuckers are talking about Ark 1 AGAIN”

Cause at this point we’ve gotta be repeat offenders

Recidivists even

[prisma pike]

One last message, I meant like destroying the character with the command destroymytarget, where they just cease to exist, don't drop a bag or anything but can respawn. Apparently this happens on steam but on windows/Xbox dedis it in fact does not.

Anyways I hope ark 2s official isn't crossplay

Unless it's only with playstation

[elfin pumice]

ist the antimesh issue with dedicated servers?

[prisma pike]

Yes

[fallow niche]

I'd just asked to move it back to ark 2.

Please do so.

[elfin pumice]

sorry

[prisma pike]

Just dm me whatever it is if you want

[elfin pumice]

why

[prisma pike]

PC players can get cheats and not allowing them on makes it nearly impossible to cheat using 3rd party software

[elfin pumice]

so will there be ark 2 on ps5 or not cause i remember a conversation here where someone said that the launch on ps5 wasn't confirmed

[blissful perch]

It’s not confirmed to come out on PlayStation

[prisma pike]

Unknown but it will probably get it on full release

[blissful perch]

It’s safe to say it’ll come out on PS5 eventually, but there’s no official word on it

[prisma pike]

Well I'm boutta go to sleep

[elfin pumice]

where do yall get all the info from

[prisma pike]

The pins in this channel

[elfin pumice]

ty

[blissful perch]

Not sure if there’s a pin for the Pax stream, but it was posted here a bit ago

There’s a segment about ark 2 and the info is good

[rotund compass]

When does ark 2 come out

[wispy sierra]

all we know is 2023

[rotund compass]

K thx

[somber oxide]

Ark 2 will in ps4 ?

[split dove]

only for the ps5, we're not being limited by the old gen this time

[somber oxide]

ok thx

[past wind]

Maybe (almost certainly) will come for PS5. Remember they didn’t confirmed any other consoles than Xbox.

[past wind]

So far it’s confirmed only for PC and Xbox.

[somber oxide]

hmmmm yes

And maybe will not in PS only in PC and Xbox

[past wind]

Yeah, we have to wait for the official announcement

But I don’t expect it until the early-access is over

[somber oxide]

maybe for story mode

the game is story and sandbox

like genesis 1 and 2

[past wind]

I don’t think so. If it comes to PS5, it will come the full version of the game

[somber oxide]

yep

[elfin pumice]

I really hope there are no tek related items in ark 2

maybe cryos

[blissful perch]

Tek isn’t in ark 2. Confirmed in a dev tweet

[elfin pumice]

nice

[blissful perch]

The function of Cryo storage will hopefully exist, but may look different

I hope they remove the pokeball stuff

[elfin pumice]

i would like it if the most advanced technology was like the modern age

no auto weapons and things like that

[blissful perch]

I’d prefer it stop at early fabi

Remove snipers and pump shotguns

Ideally no firearms at all except for slow firing flintlocks, but that’s a grander dream

[elfin pumice]

i would stop at longneck

[blissful perch]

I’d say longneck is inline with my previous point

[elfin pumice]

and no metal structures

[blissful perch]

although no hitscan pls

[elfin pumice]

ye no hitscan

[winged dome]

Just curious, what's wrong with hitscan?

[elfin pumice]

its very unrealistic imo

[blissful perch]

Instantaneous bullet travel kinda messes with immersion and makes aiming/sniping tames a bit too easy

You just line up the sight and spam LMB with hitscan lol, whereas I think firearms should be a bit more deliberate in ark 2

[elfin pumice]

although except for bow and crossbow, what other long-ranged weapons should there be before firearms? cause if you remove all the post-modern age weapons ur left with only a few of them

[untold totem]

Better slingshot, blowdarts, fire crackers

That is all the low tech range weapons I can think of

[elfin pumice]

blowdarts would be awesome

[untold totem]

I would love it if it's oxy based rather than Stam based

[elfin pumice]

makes more sense than tranq arrows

[elfin pumice]

may be a bit of both

[untold totem]

Tbh tranq arrows makes sense as well since... They are arrows laced with poison

It's not like a compound bow with a carbon fiber arrows

I would swap net projectile for a bola/net hybrid that requires all your Stam to toss it

[elfin pumice]

Id like to see more types of poison rather than just tranq

Like paralyzer one or one that does damage overtime

[split dove]

aratai amnesia poison for brainwashing them

[elfin pumice]

But not for tamimg small creatures as tranq arrows should kill them

[untold totem]

Tbh a blunt force trauma is more realistic than shoot an arrow to make them forget

Tbh I prefer GTA style of stealing tames from the orks

[split dove]

ah yes, the old punch them off the tame and ride off with it into the sunset

[elfin pumice]

I would like to see frog poison or scirpion poison and each of them having different effects

[untold totem]

It kinda still the same as bleed tbh

It is just DoT

[elfin pumice]

Ye but ranged bleed

[blissful perch]

I’d also like to see bolas only work on medium creatures and not players

And a greater emphasis on traps

[untold totem]

Bleed can be ranged as well, just make the arrow tip for bleed

[elfin pumice]

Arrows stay in untill u pull them out so not very much bleed

And darts dont make u bleed

[untold totem]

That depends on the arrow tip

Some arrow tip are shaped for bleed

Again poison has no difference than bleed because it's DoT

[elfin pumice]

But not for darts

[untold totem]

Even with darts

You are talking about poison, not the darts themselves

[elfin pumice]

Darts dont make u bleed enough for it to count as bleed dmg

[blissful perch]

I’m down for different types of dip on my darts

[lavish rain]

How about that cyclone knife for bleed

[untold totem]

You don't understand what DoT means do you now?

It is called Damage Over Time

[elfin pumice]

U could have a tamed frog and rub your darts/arrows on it to make them poisonous

[lavish rain]

Basically a warcrime on a stick

[elfin pumice]

I know

[blissful perch]

What about instead if some tames produced passive resources. Like frogs/scorpions etc produced harvestable toxins? Then you can use em in crafting

[elfin pumice]

Or both

[untold totem]

Bleed and Poison has no difference

If people spec to the point where they are immune to damaging poison why bother having that when you have bleed as your alternative for DoT damage

[elfin pumice]

Ok whatever

[untold totem]

I think tranq is fine as "poison" tbh

Since all "poison" stuff deal torpor damage anyways

[elfin pumice]

Poison damage could be altered by the target's mass though. And some creatures could be immune to it

I see bleed more like a melee weapon thing rather than a ranged one

[untold totem]

It just completed things TBH

Tbf ARK 2 will have 5 tiers of Thatch like ATLAS does so "who am I to judge?"

[blissful perch]

I think the challenge with “rubbing” on a tame is gonna be performance hits and possibly annoying to have to do that a lot while sitting next to a tame rather than using a crafting menu. Although I guess you could “craft” it in the tame’s inventory

[untold totem]

Arrows can bleed as well if the arrow tip is set it like it was made for bleed

A shark's teeth is serrated compared to a sharp obsidian

[blissful perch]

Bleed and poison are often separate DoT sources because of resistances and also to split the style of DoT

[elfin pumice]

Or press E next to a frog to make your ammo poisonous. Could also work on wild frogs

[blissful perch]

Many games have bleed be high damage tick, low tick count DoT with readily available cures, but poison is often harder to cure and has more ticks over time of less damage per tick

[blissful perch]

Cool idea but again my concern is that this is sort of “too much immersion” for what we could reasonably expect a 2022 game to deliver

[elfin pumice]

You could cure bleed with fiber bandages

[untold totem]

No one wants a tame that is sitting around while you are in combat

There is a reason why no one use lytros as a "hunting companion" like in the dossier stated

[elfin pumice]

U could find a frog, press e on ot with you have the desired ammount of ammo selected in ur hotbar and never have to do that until u run out

[blissful perch]

I dunno, there’s validity to a tame’s inventory allowing crafting of for example poison darts from non dipped darts. Could make an otherwise hard to use combat mount valuable for support

[untold totem]

So you have to find a random frog nearby to make it viable?

I doubt people will do that for PVP let alone intense PVE situation

[elfin pumice]

Or tame one

[blissful perch]

I think this in practice will be tough because of the aforementioned difficulty coding, but also people aren’t gonna want to slap E to craft, especially if you want to go the extra mile on immersion and LIMIT the amount of dip a frog can produce at once

[untold totem]

Again I gave you the Lystro as an example

No one likes a tame that isn't proactive in combat

[blissful perch]

Lystro as a shoulder pet probably would have mild usage in the field in PvE. Before hawks anyway

[elfin pumice]

Not sayimg u carry ur frog around

[untold totem]

Ye or at least hand carried since it is made to boost tame XP

[elfin pumice]

Would still be more realistic but i get ur point

[untold totem]

Tbh there are more valuable shoulder pets than just a passive poison maker

[elfin pumice]

I am not saying that u have to carry your frog with you in order to make poisonous darts

[untold totem]

But you said you need that frog present in order to make said darts while in active combat

[elfin pumice]

I dont think i said that but if i did, thats not what i meant

[untold totem]

If you want something more immersive, poison's effectiveness will not last long

[elfin pumice]

Just as shock darts from ark 1

[untold totem]

But you have to have the frog follow you just to keep the poison effectiveness going which is kinda cumbersome in a combat situation

[elfin pumice]

Or they could slowly spoil just like shock darts

While not losing effectivness

[untold totem]

You are still gonna do the same thing anyways just to keep it fresh

[elfin pumice]

Do you use shock darts?

[untold totem]

Tbh I rather cut the middle man of refreshing the arrows/darts with poison and have the frog do the poisoning for me like the beezelbufo

[elfin pumice]

Would the poison u carry around spoil?

[untold totem]

No need to have those arrow and darts anyways since the frog will do the poison for you

[blissful perch]

Dunno, it certainly could like biotoxin does

I like the idea SirM is bringing here

[untold totem]

I don't, it's just meh in PVP and even intense PVE situation

We already have a tame that does poison already

Both range and melee

Tbh I am tired of "tranq taming" anyways

[elfin pumice]

I think it would be good that if u wanted to craft them, u did it somewhere else rather than just inventory (cause its poison and it can hurt u) but to make some quick ones just for that day u press e infront of ur frog

[elfin pumice]

Could also be a hunting strat or something

[untold totem]

I doubt people will do that anyways

Again same with the lytro, no one wants to stop and pet it just to get that XP buff

[blissful perch]

I see poison shifting away from taming and towards combat KO and DoT

[elfin pumice]

Yes

[elfin pumice]

I mean if u started only a few days ago and had blowdarts u could make them poisonous by going to the swamp or any other biome with frogs and finding one

No need to tame one and craft them

[untold totem]

If AI is more dumber than it is then you waiting to press E to gain poison is plausible

But realistically people just have no time for that

[blissful perch]

I think it’s not a bad idea but it’s possibly in deep TLC territory (the E on wild frogs thing)

That being said, I think tamed dodos and other birds providing feathers is as similar a concept as harvesting poison from frogs and snakes for darts and arrows

So in THAT respect I’m totally on board

[elfin pumice]

Would still be more confortable to slap e to get poison darts rathen than having to craft them

[untold totem]

Ye but you have to find them first in a specific biome, any farther then the poison is expired

[elfin pumice]

Then they could make it last longer than 30 mins

[blissful perch]

A 1-3hr spoil timer (using ark 1 logic) means a full stack can last a very long time. So I’m not sure that’s a great reason

[untold totem]

Again I rather have the frog do the poison damage than just waiting for a timer to go off while you are in a middle of a battle

[blissful perch]

The frog should also do poison damage, but perhaps this additional crafting use can provide it a niche in the late/end game when tames tend to be either very large or very mobile/ability heavy

[elfin pumice]

Wdym let the frog do it

[blissful perch]

Right now a frog is a near useless tame in the late/end game lol, and this would certainly make Bezel a lot better

[elfin pumice]

U prefer to have a frog around mid conbat to apply poison than just shoot a dart?

[untold totem]

Cut the middleman and let the frog do the damage

Basically a bezelbufo

[blissful perch]

Doing both isn’t a middle man 😂

[untold totem]

Bug cave intensifies

[blissful perch]

Nobody uses frogs seriously in there

It’s megatherium or something else

[untold totem]

That is what essentially your idea is and No I dont

[elfin pumice]

Thats not what my idea is

[untold totem]

I think LI bug cave is too small for megatherium but I could be wrong

[blissful perch]

Think you can fit a monke

[untold totem]

Frog also give poly aside from chitin iirc

[blissful perch]

It’s cementing paste

[untold totem]

Ah

[blissful perch]

And even then it’s STILL ass. It’s better to run around with a better chitin gathering mount and craft the paste

[untold totem]

I dunno I see people tame frogs more than megatherium given the location but eh

[elfin pumice]

Paste is expensive. I usually just steal it from beavers

[blissful perch]

You can do that too. But with a skiff/magmasaur to get stone like crazy and a chitin gathering mount it’s usually not hard to craft either

[elfin pumice]

Thats more in the late game

[untold totem]

nO tEk

[blissful perch]

That’s how most folks play ark sadly

[elfin pumice]

I also play late game ark as late game ark

[blissful perch]

Which is why I like your frog poison idea, since it gives frogs a use at all game stages

[untold totem]

I doubt that is PVP/PVE viable tho since I keep bringing the Lystro example being useless in a combat situation

[elfin pumice]

Cmon

[blissful perch]

You leave one at the FOB or have one in base to coat your darts

[elfin pumice]

Ur not using the frog in combat

[blissful perch]

I’d say that’s more useful than the bulk of tames in combat

[elfin pumice]

Its like making shock darts

U dont carry a jellyfish to paralyze dinos

[untold totem]

Tbh why wait for the E timer when you can just murder a lot for more toxin

[elfin pumice]

Dont make an e timer

[untold totem]

Same thing, you have to wait for the passive resource to at least be a stack worth

[elfin pumice]

Its not poison in the inventory

[blissful perch]

I think he’s saying it’s something intrinsic to the frog

[elfin pumice]

Its just slapping e

[blissful perch]

So as long as you have darts the frog can dip them

I think that’s a balance oof but he’s not suggested what I have

[elfin pumice]

What have u suggested

[untold totem]

This really confused me, if you don't want the E timer than why bother having the E mechanic?

[elfin pumice]

To make darts early game with wild frogs

Or just for confort

[untold totem]

[blissful perch]

As above in our conversation I suggested improvements to your idea

[untold totem]

Unless they don't have the narcoberry equivalent then sure I guess

But narcoberry or narcotics is too iconic to retcon for a tame that rarely used tbh

[elfin pumice]

Make frog poison have a differwnt effect than narcoberry

[untold totem]

[elfin pumice]

Like paralyze or just damage

[untold totem]

No one likes a stunlock

[blissful perch]

Stun ≠ stunlock btw

[elfin pumice]

Would be cool to just make a raptor's leg useless for some secs

Or make him walk slower or something

Ye making him stay still is too op

[untold totem]

In an ideal perfect coding utopia then ye

[blissful perch]

It’s called post-stun stun immunity and almost every good game has it

[elfin pumice]

Poison effectivness could scale with atk or something. But maybe its too complicated

[untold totem]

People will abuse the living hell if they made stun as a weaponized status effect

[blissful perch]

I mean we have KO, which is just as bad if not worse

[untold totem]

You are making it way too complicated can it should be

[elfin pumice]

Make darts not pierce through certain armor materials

[blissful perch]

In ark 1 it already does

[untold totem]

I would agree on that

[elfin pumice]

And wild dinos dont wear flak

[untold totem]

So far torpor is too effective even against flak

[elfin pumice]

Would also make armored tamed dinos inmune to darts in some areas

[untold totem]

Doed and snail

[elfin pumice]

Not only that

The rex from the trailer

[untold totem]

You don't need to KO a ridden tame, just destroy the protective plates and knock the orc out of the saddle and ride it like an Andrew until it gains your trust

[elfin pumice]

And insects

[untold totem]

Most bugs are passive tames

[elfin pumice]

U can deal DoT or stun them

[nova thicket]

for the frog discussion /\upthere/\ maybe you can use it to craft something like shocking darts without the biotoxin

in it's inventory

[sick rivet]

Any new news or nawh?

[tropic crag]

Naurrrrr

[silver grove]

Could be more on November 5th, possibly

[sick rivet]

Sounds good 🫡

[narrow dust]

WHEN

[knotty epoch]

soon™

[inner dagger]

Wildcard fix the fuking mesh in ark 2 stop being dumb 🤬

[minor prism]

Yh u should be able to mesh your own turrets deep or something or make something flying thats op af that will spawn out ther and clap what ever meshes out 😂

[inner dagger]

Dog shit fr wildcard think we r enemies if we said fix ur game they give bannd 😒 if we fix the fuking mesh with turrets they also give bannd they don’t want fix it and they also didn’t want u to fix it 🤬

[jolly lava]

I hope ark 2 has a similar-style world to pandora (avatar with blue people)

[lime forge]

I hope Ark 2 launches before I die. Feel like I’ve been waiting forever.

I’d do illicit things for just some gameplay footage at this point

[ocean tendon]

what if you died 0.00000001 seconds before ark 2 released

[grave valve]

Can anyone tell me any new information on when ark2 will be released

[elfin pumice]

We only know it will launch on 2023

[inner dagger]

And there mesh also 😂

[lime forge]

Who hurt you

[inner dagger]

Wildcard

[lime forge]

Show me on Bob where they touched you

[inner dagger]

😑

[untold totem]

[elfin pumice]

I really hope they make building and breeding less complicated

[stray elm]

I hope they make it 'more' complicated.
Just without mechanics like stat-mutations.

[elfin pumice]

wdym more complicated?

[stray elm]

What do you mean by 'less' complicated?
Breeding is pretty simple.

[elfin pumice]

tbh breeding is not that hard, just that the passing mutations to the offspring thing is not very well made. But building something more complex than a shoe box should not be so annoying

i hate having to change snap points 6 times just so the structure doesnt get placed were it indicated

[stray elm]

Technically, mutation and breeding are separate mechanics that're just tied to each other.

[elfin pumice]

and it being placed somewhere else resulting in all the wall getting bemolished

[stray elm]

That's not complication. That's just a poor building system.

[elfin pumice]

its still very annoying

[stray elm]

Yep.
But that isn't tied to complication of the mechanic. Just the mechanic as a whole being janky.

[tropic crag]

Semantics

[lime forge]

I’d like to see a training system to replace the current imprint system. Instead of just walking up and pressing a button various tasks are required to be done along side the baby as it grows differing between each species. (Hunting, gathering, fighting things like that)

[rustic bough]

Ya until you have to take a baby into the wild and it gets murdered by the first Rex you see

[elfin pumice]

i think imprinting is more like getting the baby to trust you

not a training

[tropic crag]

Imprint should stay, but training post-raise should be emphazied

[rustic bough]

But it would be cool to see like making them bite training dummy’s and such or teaching flyers to fly

[elfin pumice]

im not sure if they could add the training a flyer to fly thing in the game

[lime forge]

The current imprinting is the worst part of breeding besides mutation stacking.

[lime forge]

Why?

[tropic crag]

Sure they could, lmao

[tropic crag]

I'd say that's more of an issue with raise rates, but meh

[elfin pumice]

how

throwing it off a cliff?

[tropic crag]

How do you teach a pteranodon to fly? I haven't the slightest idea, but you probably could by way of having the parents involved

Or, if you stole the egg, stealthily observing the wild ones teaching their young

[stray elm]

I'd assume like most things with wings.

[lime forge]

I think the biggest issue with raise rates are people making them to fast and having to stay at base to monitor babies when breeding. Breeding is a task best done in between chores. It’s not something you should have to sit at base and complete.

[stray elm]

So yeah, throwing them out of the house.

[tropic crag]

I don't know about how you breed, but for me it's part of the game and I do it willingly to obtain better creatures without having to go out and tame 30 more, imprint is just a cherry on top for the ones I want to use for things other that breeding itself

[lime forge]

Implement a flight skill bar that becomes available when the tame is a juvenile or adolescent, for the first portion of the bar it’ll follow you flying slow and shaky. Once it reaches a threshold of size and skill you saddle it and can make short trips on its back once again slow, shaky and prone to crashes. Upon reaching full maturity the flight skill bar disappears and the tames flight abilities are determined by how far you managed to progress it’s bar while growing.

Just spitballing

[tropic crag]

The raise times (at least, on the servers I play on) are fine imo, but that's probably just me (and the others who play on said servers)

[stray elm]

It be interesting personally if all wild-caught creatures have a chance to rebel against you.
But imprinted/captive animals don't have this issue.

[lime forge]

I prefer my timers to have a decent amount of time in between so I can focus on other things away from base while waiting. Extremely high rates are the main cause of the AFK simulator. And I believe extremely high rates come from the misconception that boss tames need to be highly mutated to beat alpha level bosses.

[tropic crag]

That's what I've been saying, a little bit of free will since the dinos have bred out a few generations, and the aliens probably won't be super ready to be tamed 24/7 lol

But no one seems to like that idea...

[lime forge]

I think all tames should become aggressive if not properly fed and cared for.

[stray elm]

Gives us three fucking bars
Imprints bars. Training bars. And Domestication bars.

This'd make dino-trades a lot more interesting then just "ayo, so he got big melee and health, right?"

[tropic crag]

Yeah, if you mistreat your tame, you should pay for it, simple as

[lime forge]

Yeah but he ain’t got shit for food make sure to feed him 7 times a day.

[tropic crag]

😂

(Still tired of having swamp fever, guys... whenever you get around to it...)

[lime forge]

Tribe mate forgets to feed the giga line…. Log in and your base is just leveled

[stray elm]

Also, I think imprints should slightly carry over.
Like, if you breed a pair of 100% imprinted rexes, that baby should have an easier time to imprint on then the parents.
Obviously a hard-limit for this, since without one this would get out of hand. But this'd be great for stuff like Giga's that you don't have to raise then for a fucking week straight ever, fucking, single, time.

[elfin pumice]

way more realistic that it just starving to death

[stray elm]

Also, as much as it may be a waste of resources/time. I'd love if they did something like Kenshi does, and have visual effects of things stats.

[lime forge]

Right. Instead of just getting bloody and dying they wander on over to the Theri line and have a snack. Maybe make their way your neighbors and see what he left out.

[stray elm]

I.E. The more melee, the more jacked it is. The more health, the thicker the scales/fur looks. Etc

The more food, the more of a fat they are.

[tropic crag]

Or just more body variety in creatures, period

[stray elm]

/Jk.
They just get bigger bellies.

[tropic crag]

At the very least

[stray elm]

True

I do like the idea of different stats making the creature appear differently.

[heady thunder]

Is ark 2 going to be only 3rd person??? I saw it was also going to be more of a dark souls combat style…… any thoughts on that?

[tropic crag]

So many thoughts, all of them good

[lime forge]

I think the biggest issue with body variance in my opinion is all classes taking the same actions at the same time. It’s really unsettling that all my dienonychus swing their tails at the same speed, at the same time, and in the same direction.

[tropic crag]

Animation cycling is a little bothersome sometimes, yeah

But that I can't really think of a solution to without major repercussions on the back end

[lime forge]

Nothing but positive thoughts so far. From me, not the community. In 20 minutes someone will come in here raging about it and completely derail our conversation.

[tropic crag]

[heady thunder]

True

Trailers hype me up big time, I would love to see some blood around a carnivores mouth when it bites or eats another creature. The attention to detail in the trailers is really cool and I hope that carries over into the game

[elfin pumice]

bone break mechanic would be cool

[heady thunder]

For Dino’s? Or for the player?

[elfin pumice]

i was thinking of both

and the resistance to bone break scaling with the targets hp

[tropic crag]

That's, uh, already kinda a thing lol

You must've seen the bone break symbol when close to dead at some point, right?

[heady thunder]

Yes but it would be cool if there was an animation as well.

Like limping

[elfin pumice]

i mean induced by a fall or an anky tail swing

not necessarily on low hp

[heady thunder]

I definitely see what you mean but the current ark has made falling off of edges and cliffs far too easy lol

[elfin pumice]

not if u can slide off the cliff wall (if the transition between cliff wall and ground is smooth)

[lime forge]

Man I’ve been wondering how my survivor always breaks his leg when he forgets to eat

[heady thunder]

Forgets to eat a piece of meat ankle twists and snaps

Orrr hops off of bronco and snaps femur

A climbing/ sliding mechanic would be phenomenal for cliffs and rocks

[tropic crag]

Then my-oh-my would you like to read the Steam page, I'd imagine

[elfin pumice]

There will be

[elfin pumice]

Then not make your leg shatter from a 2 m fall like other games (the isle)

[heady thunder]

LOL I was about to make the same comment.

[elfin pumice]

Fr they get bone break for tripping on a rock

[heady thunder]

More like a pebble. Lol

The base building in ark 2 needs to be better too, the core is there in ark but it’s definitely rough without looking up some exploit or guide

[elfin pumice]

Totally agree

As i mentioned before, wanting to place a structure and going through snap points over and over just for it being placed somewhere else is so annoying

[heady thunder]

Very! And when you get to a point that isn’t a flat surface… nightmare

[elfin pumice]

I also hate when i want to place something but it snaps on the ceiling above me instead of where im looking

[heady thunder]

The piping for water is also extremely awk lol. Just floating pipes everywhere unless you really go out of your way to plan it out

But for what ark was it turned out really good and ark 2 is perfect to polish and perfect.

I also really hope to not see any crazy neon pink Dino’s tbh.

[elfin pumice]

You can place flexible pipes that stick to the ground though

[elfin pumice]

Exactly. Regular dinos could be shades of brown, green and gray. If they want something special for events make them yellowish or lighter and more saturated shades of brown and green

No need for bright lime

[heady thunder]

Yeah but I played on a PvE and most people didn’t do that unfortunately… i’m excited to see what they do with the saddles as well, maybe adding different saddle customizations

[elfin pumice]

I would also like to see slight variations on color patterns in a certain geographical area and more drastic changes depending on the biome/area

[lime forge]

It would be cool if we could add extra seats, armor, or saddlebags.

[heady thunder]

That would be awesome, some unique Scarring on the player and Dino’s you could opt to keep or git rid of would be really cool

[elfin pumice]

In path of titans you keep scars where you were damaged

[heady thunder]

Yes but imagine more in depth like you just tamed a Rex, got into a nasty fight and now it’s got a missing left eye or something, obviously that’s going way above and beyond but such a cool thought

I’d be happy just to see realistic bite and scratch wounds in a fight, and in the trailer they showed the rex with blood around its jaw, so that would be really cool too

[elfin pumice]

it would also be more realistic if bigger carnivores like rex could just grab small dinos like dilos or compys (not humans) and just rip them apart or eat them

but it would be kinda op

[lime forge]

Nah. Humans too.

Rex mouth should one shot humans

[elfin pumice]

realistically, yeah

but very op

[heady thunder]

Definitely, makes the rex more scary (as it should be) it would make the game more difficult but also more fun in its own way, the rex is honestly not as scary as it should be.

[elfin pumice]

ye but imagine that in pvp

plus being oneshotted if it hits u no matter what u wear or do isnt very fair

[lime forge]

Nature isn’t fair son

[elfin pumice]

lol

i would like to see aggressive pteras like in Jurassic Park

grabbing you and stuff like that

[untold totem]

like ATLAS ~Mazzy

[elfin pumice]

pteras in a pirate game?

[elfin pumice]

what grabs you in that game

[blissful perch]

The game sure didn’t grab me 😂😂

[lime forge]

Not the gameplay that’s for sure!

[elfin pumice]

🤣

[lime forge]

You guys know what I’d really like to see added to Ark 2?

[split dove]

fireballs?

[lime forge]

Fireballs!!!!!

[untold totem]

My personal comparison to ARK 2 and see how they learned from that mess because that game is lost potential

Plus it has almost everything people wish to have in ARK 2

||(Also the RP server is great)||

[elfin pumice]

Its not very well rated though

Idk i never played it

[untold totem]

Since there is a confirmed news that they will change it to UE5 so the comparison to ARK 2 is still on my "observational table"

[lime forge]

…

[untold totem]

Technically you are not wrong

[lime forge]

That not how you were supposed to respond!

[elfin pumice]

Who were you answering to?

[untold totem]

I normally reply what is above this

[prisma pike]

Just don't stand somewhere horrible and you won't get bit. Gigas in ark 1 one tap players 99% of the time and they're fair.

[elfin pumice]

True

Ye i guess its not that op if a rex oneshots u

But id like to see like an animation

Not just chomp and dead

[prisma pike]

Bro wants either gore or vore. Or both.

[blissful perch]

An animation would be good if there was a way to interrupt

[elfin pumice]

Not like blood everywhere

[blissful perch]

Otherwise it’s just BM lol

[elfin pumice]

It could swallow u or sum

[prisma pike]

I mean, an animation for killing people would make it more risky to try and go for a kill cause you'd be unable to do anything

[elfin pumice]

Exactly

[prisma pike]

Yeah this guy wants vore

[elfin pumice]

Lol

[untold totem]

you know what is missing in most fight that involved big creatures... the ability to stab the creature from the inside like a mini dungeon

make the rex or giga force deficate whenever the player is still stabbing the insides, preventing the abuse of that mechanic until the player is either puked out manually or pooped out automatically

[blissful perch]

Yea that’s my thinking. Makes combat more interesting imo to have the “cinematic kill” that’s safer in some ways but runs the risk of being interrupted and ofc you can’t interrupt yourself

[tropic crag]

That could be cool, both for balancing and just visually

[blissful perch]

It’s gonna boil down to how it plays out in the combat scheme WC has developed

[ocean tendon]

ark is gonna be horizon but with organic dinos

[blissful perch]

It may give a niche back to grapple moves like kapro jumps though to have “cinematic class attacks” that can’t be interrupted by the user but do larger damage and possibly have a more predictable startup animation

[blissful perch]

I’d love to see that, but horizon uses coyote time and ark 2 can’t do that cause it’s multiplayer

[heady thunder]

Bruh what? HAHAHAH I imagine an old school doom level but in a rex stomach

[untold totem]

i mean old doom runs on everything... why not?

[heady thunder]

Reenact the Gears 2 Worm stomach level

[prisma pike]

Them dinos gotta have the least efficient stomachs known then lol

That shit gives you enough room to thrust a spear god dayum

[prisma pike]

Could also ruin combat if it's too easy to knock people out of attacks

[untold totem]

or at least a QTE that is the basically like old God of War or reuse the stryder minigame to "hack" through the innards, every successful "hack" the rex/giga stop to poop, failing will really damage you

if you survived 5 tries, you will be vomited out

[prisma pike]

Y'know, I think your bad positioning should cause you to die instead of you being given second chances for making an error.

Bruh edited it to make it a joke

[tender blade]

if u like pvp ark 2 will be shit if you pay single player of pve it might be good

[prisma pike]

Not even gameplay yet but aight

[tender blade]

there is rolls gonna be like osule like combta more like conan

[untold totem]

wat

[tropic crag]

I thought you were a "Surfing Shark", not a "Jumping to Conclusions Shark"

[blissful perch]

Depends. If it’s easy to knock people out of “cinematic” attacks it may incentivize use of other attacks and only the use of “cinematic” attacks for special moments, which may actually be the best way to see them used

I think people would tire pretty quickly of watching themselves get eaten by rex if it was the standard, but cornering someone outside the main fight and grabbing them for a rex eating cinematic attack would probably make things feel more fun and varied

[lime forge]

He surfed to the conclusion

[hearty fern]

Ok.But it will we be a nostalgia for us

[past wind]

It’s time to let it go, my friend. Time to move on. 💔

[hearty fern]

[desert heron]

they should add a new icedrake firedrake and poisondrake

for the game in diff biomes

🔥

[prisma pike]

Bad PvE idea #47

[untold ingot]

I mean, seeing as most of arks player base is pve...

[stray elm]

I actually like a lot of the ideas here. But it all depends how they gameplay loop is in ARK-2.

[prisma pike]

Doesn't change the fact that they have bad ideas that add little to nothing to the game.

[ocean tendon]

me waiting for official megatribes to claim multiple servers on day 1

[blissful perch]

there are bad pvp and bad pve ideas dw

and it IS a bad idea to have elemental rock drakes...although biome specific versions of each creature would be pretty cool, even if it's as simple as the X variants having unique color pallets and slightly different stats

[untold ingot]

They need to have terrain buffs though

[stray elm]

I have my doubts that Rock-drakes will come back. But we'll see.

[untold ingot]

I second the doubt. If they do I would want a complete rework on them anyway lol

[stray elm]

And I do agree with this.
I do think, even if it's the most minor changes and only visual. It'd be a nice detail if every creature took the concept of X-creatures.
If rexes are in the jungle, then they're more like the one we see in the trailer.
But for any in like a volcanic biome, they might be more naturally darker to blend into the constant ash around volcanos.

[untold ingot]

I am all for this. I never was a huge fan of the random colors on wild dinos

[stray elm]

I do wish they go back to making genders actually have higher chance to be different colors, like how it was originally.

[blissful perch]

I’d kinda like the pebble drake

[stray elm]

A old ass tip says something like "darker colors means it's a male, while brighter means it's a female"
That's total bullshit now a days. Since everything is brighter. 😆

[untold ingot]

Some variation of colors is okay, but this is a planet, not an ark. So the environment should be more inhospitable. Only the camouflaged dinos would survive

[stray elm]

We're also assuming if they're taking the realistic wrought.

[blissful perch]

Camouflage is ONE adaptive strategy to survive in an environment

Take a look at the Amazon rainforest or the African savannah…not everything there blends in by a long shot

[untold ingot]

The ones that dont are usually venomous

[blissful perch]

Or have some other survival strategy. Take elephants hippos and crocodiles

Or they have a purpose in mating like peacocks

[untold ingot]

Crocodiles blend in very well lol

[blissful perch]

They’re not visible at all because they’re underwater lol, that’s not quite blending in by color

[untold ingot]

Even when they are out of the water their coloring and scale structure does wonders for keeping them hidden if they want to be hidden

[blissful perch]

I’d agree for alligators and caiman but I hold X for Nile crocs

Then again a croc on the beach isn’t exactly intending to be stealthy

The point is still true though: not every animal needs to use camouflage

There’s other uses for color that I think could be explored in ark 2

[regal spear]

I think they’re trying to say that animals shouldn’t stick out that much, for example, a green and black Sabertooth in the artic

[tropic crag]

I think that the dinos should stick out pretty well, seeing as how this is an alien planet and they can't have adapted to the (surprisingly Earth-like) jungles of Arat that quickly, even if it only takes a few weeks to raise the various modified versions of these species in-lore. The alien creatures, however... those things should be like that panther thing from Avatar, never seen until it's right up on you

Since they know the planet's jungles/biomes like the back of their hand, I'd hope

[mint swan]

They should have dinos that have learned to camouflage really well, and others that stick out

The ones that camouflage shouldn’t be too too dangerous so as to not be impossible to escape, but should still be strong.

[south lance]

i want fucking space peacock

30 meter wide tailfan but the animal itself is like 2 meters

and it glows n shit 😩

harvest them for glowy tapestry of feathers to adorn your house with

[tropic crag]

[shadow plinth]

Ark 2 ark 2

[slate marlin]

In Ark 2 are we be able to transfer characters levels? Just asking

Or anything from ark 1?

Are servers in Ark 1 will be shut down?

[split dove]

look at your question and actually think, you can't transfer stuff from 1 game to a different game with different code. best chance is with mods

[ionic meteor]

Ark 2 is gonna be a fresh new start

[ionic meteor]

Nothing has been confirmed for the future of ark 1 but it seems like they're gonna keep the servers running for a while

[worthy canopy]

if the servers get shut down the people who are 2 poor to get the new one will be 😡 prob

[ionic meteor]

They'll probably keep them online but there will be no events i think

[dull briar]

io say ark twos still gonna be bullshit and will hold out till proven other wise

[blissful perch]

Event end after this year

I’m guessing that a few years from now (maybe 1-3) ark 1 official servers will be mostly or entirely shut down

[dull briar]

lol if ark two fucking works

[split dove]

considering the code behind ark 1 was made by the team who were amateurs at that point, i'm gonna say ark 2's base code will be better this time around

[dull briar]

bullshit the only reason arks code is a dumbster fire RN is because after abberation the management of wild card changed to some of the most incompitant fuckers since TF2

[split dove]

sure

[dull briar]

bruh since extiction came out theyve been killing this game

they tried to fools us all by making atlus which was ligit arks base code and some other parts of ark but instead of dinos it was viking shit

then they made rust which is at the same point titanfall one is at cant log onto most official servers without getting esped

so yes sure they are the most incompitant fuckers in a long time

[blissful perch]

Wasn’t rust made before ark?

[dull briar]

no

long after

[blissful perch]

Rust came out 2013

[dull briar]

shit u right well fuck so there goes some of my bases but still its pretty damn unplayable at this point so that still stands

[split dove]

the only games wildcard has made are Ark and Atlas

[blissful perch]

Rust is also not made by wildcard

It’s made by face punch

[dull briar]

well now its owned by wildcard u can check that

[blissful perch]

It is not. Just checked

[dull briar]

bruh just checked myself co owned and managed by studio wildcard

2019

[blissful perch]

I have yet to see that information on my searches

[dull briar]

go to the wildcard wik page and scroll down about 4 paragraphs

"wild card owns several games and has produced many more after buying out rust from facepunch studios and valve in 2017 after the management change

[blissful perch]

…am I being gaslit

Wc only made 2 games

[dull briar]

ligit looking at this shit on my phone

[split dove]

send him a screenshot of it then

[dull briar]

dont have discord on my phone lol

still stand bye what i said ark 2 is going to suck ass

[blissful perch]

a fair opinion

which you can have with little to no reasoning (although a lack of good reasoning isn't persuasive lol)

[stray elm]

I have no idea where you heard this. But they have never bought any rights to any games.

If anyone has, that'd be Snail-Games

"We're Facepunch, an independent game developer in Birmingham, UK. We made Garry's Mod and Rust, two of the most popular Steam games of all time. It was Garry's ..."

That's on their official site.

[mortal kestrel]

by*

arkII will be fine

ark was made in 7 months by 9 people, its a surprising it even runs as well as it does in all honesty

[silver grove]

On god

[hybrid prairie]

Factual

Lack of enforcement on ark 1 doesn’t bode well for ark 2

[jaunty nexus]

I believe anyone who says that it’s going to suck before they try the game themselves is delusional

[minor prism]

I’m defo going to be buying the game il still tell u it sounds shit tho 😂

[hybrid prairie]

One who hopes blindly for a different outcome is expecting failure

[jaunty nexus]

One who makes up their mind before trying something is a fool

[hybrid prairie]

All thesis based on eveudence

Evidence is ark 1 bad

Ark 2 most likely bad

[jaunty nexus]

I’ve played many games where the sequel is better

You’re just biased because of poor experiences and unwilling to go into it with a positive outlook

[hybrid prairie]

Maybe if they fixed the problems in ark 1 before making a whole new game to grab some more money from the player base

[jaunty nexus]

Trying to have a relatively positive conversation based on the new game will be pointless because you just allow your negative experiences to rule over everything else

[hybrid prairie]

.

[jaunty nexus]

.

[minor prism]

Well we can be positive about 1 thing and that is that ark 2 is not guna be anything like ark 1, so I understand the hesitation and to say it’s Guna be good is crazy ngl 😂

[jaunty nexus]

But to sit and say it’ll be shit without trying it is dumb

[minor prism]

Based off of what they’ve told us about ark 2 I can see why everyone’s hopes don’t run high ngl

[jaunty nexus]

That’s like going “no I think that tastes like shit” without even tasting it

[jaunty nexus]

I get the hopes not being high, but as I said it’s like saying something will taste bad without ever actually trying it

[minor prism]

Nah personally i think everyone is just being logical about the situation considering the devs have switched up everything what ark is or was and now expect them to drop everything they’ve ever known and liked about ark 1 😂

[jaunty nexus]

Personally I consider that to be illogical thinking. Why would they make another game for it to be a carbon copy of ARK? This isn’t a CoD game or Sports game. The point of a second game is to make something new and fresh to play

[minor prism]

Because in essence the devs are doing something that nobody asked or wanted them to do 😂 people just I guess expected a better ark 1 for ark 2 since ark 1 could’ve been made better in the first place which is what every ark player wanted

Was a better ark 1

[silver grove]

The only factual statement to be said in this whole chat. 💀

[minor prism]

Tell me u don’t play ark without telling me u don’t play ark L

[silver grove]

POV: You have no evidence or support to back up anything you say.

[minor prism]

Hmmm yes cuz I’m the only ark player huh? Like I said tell me u main discord ark without telling me u main discord ark lol

[jaunty nexus]

Game devs are forever making new games even if the community isn’t asking them to. Look around at other game developers. It’s a business and they finished the story for ARK. They have nothing left to tell on this game therefore they’ve decided to move on to the sequel. I don’t get how that’s hard to grasp. You seem to have wrapped your head around the idea ARK is what they should focus on but games take money to run and they aren’t going to make money on a game they can’t sell anything else on! The story maps are done therefore there’s no more paid DLC. Without income coming in they’d have to start shutting servers and without fresh and new content being added to the game more and more people will quit playing.

[silver grove]

Anyone who actually believes that Ark 2 will be worse than Ark 1 is highly delusional. Ark 1 was made in 7 months by barely a dozen people. Ark 2 has a massive budget, more time, and an actual development team behind the project. Ark 2 on release is not going to be earth shattering but it will out class anything Ark 1 has ever done.

[stray elm]

I don't think ARK-2 is going to be worse.
My worry is that it might not be for me.

[silver grove]

I completely agree and understand that argument. I'm just saying that the idea of it flopping and being as bad as Ark 1 currently is, is highly unlikely.

[jaunty nexus]

An actual statement that is thought over before being sent my god

[minor prism]

Have you seen your own statement 😂 ur acting like I’m the only person with the problem your heads fucked lad

[jaunty nexus]

you must be the main act of the circus

[silver grove]

You're not the only one, congratulations you and countless others are delusional and wrong. 💀

[minor prism]

Many sequels failed that’s a fact

[jaunty nexus]

And many have succeeded

[stray elm]

Oh yeah, no. ARK-2 is 100% ain't flopping.
Even if it does, it's in Early-Access so they have all the time in the world to change stuff.

[minor prism]

Don’t know how you can ignore everyone’s concern honestly 😂

Like they don’t exist or sum 😂

[stray elm]

My two biggest worries.
A: Gameplay loop will be stuck in a primitive-era for the games entire life, which personally defeats the purpose of ARK. Since it always had a sense of progression.
B: The new story that seems to be more of a frontal-piece, which to me is good. But I worry about Vin-Diesel.
I've tried to watch many of his projects, and never found him as even a good 'actor.' So him being the center piece of the story that's also going to be more in the front of the game might sour the taste of the game for me.

[silver grove]

Thank you, my friend. Saying that it won't atleast appeal to a large community is just wrong. They actually have everything they need this time and a massive community to provide Feedback.

[minor prism]

If they listened to community feedback we wouldn’t have 3rd person as a permanent feature lol

[stray elm]

You're right.
It has the chance to be changed officially if enough people demand it when it releases in Early-Access.

[jaunty nexus]

I don’t think anyone is ignoring the concerns, but the fact is that you’re all trying to say it’ll flop based off solely negative opinions on ARK while yourself said “it’s a completely different game”

[minor prism]

They don’t listen to feedback on ark 1 unless it’s critical so I don’t know how u expect a new game to make anything different lol

[jaunty nexus]

Your statements do not add up

[silver grove]

1. Mods 2. Change of pace 3. Souls-like combat and traversal wouldn't work well in 1st-person

[minor prism]

Neither do yours tbh bro your opinion is just 1 sided anyway u sound fed up with the million ark players telling u ark 2 guna be dookie

That wa it sounds like to me personally lol

[ionic meteor]

I think everyone took the primitive-focused part a bit too much, you'll obviously be able level up and get more advanced tools making your way towards Tek thats what made ark so popular.

[jaunty nexus]

Where’s the million complaining that I’ve talked to cardz? Lmfao

[minor prism]

Bro your a mod your in this discord every single day what u just don’t talk now do u?

[jaunty nexus]

You’re one of the few narrow minded people that I’ve talked to lol

[minor prism]

U don’t see the thousands of ppl come In voicing concerns for ark 2 do u. 😂

[silver grove]

When your thatch base gets raided once in 2017, you become Cardz 😭

[jaunty nexus]

I talk quit often actually .

[minor prism]

How am I narrow minded when I’m buying the game myself wtf 😂

[stray elm]

Well, at the same time though. It depends 'how' advanced.
Going from a wooden spear to a spear with a metal tip ain't going to cut it for me.
As unbalanced as it could be. I still would rather have it that every DLC is centered around a different technology age.

[jaunty nexus]

There’s a lot more positivity than negativity

[minor prism]

I’m just a realist an realistically game sounds shit

[jaunty nexus]

Realist lol

[silver grove]

That's an opinion that a minority have. Not a fact and that opinion has no evidence or support. That's not being a realist

[minor prism]

Don’t know why it so hard to understand tbh considering u got a whole army in here telling u daily wa they think 😂

[stray elm]

You can't talk.

[jaunty nexus]

An army of like 2 people a day

You are a comedian

[stray elm]

'quit' often.

[silver grove]

Clown behavior

[jaunty nexus]

English major btw

[minor prism]

Fact is you sound mad that people a voicing concern for a game u like the sound off an it turns out more people are concerned than happy about it that’s why your hear arguing lol

[stray elm]

Damn, I'm sorry that you got it wrong.

[jaunty nexus]

Not mad if you read my comments you’d have seen that

Anyone who doesn’t agree with you is mad though?

[minor prism]

No not at all having your own opinion is what sets u above the rest cuz u ain’t a sheep following

You do your own due diligence lol not that hard

[silver grove]

Day one Cardz gonna be the first to buy the game and love every detail about it and say these exact words "Wow, it's so different from Ark 1. This is a refreshing change of pace."

[stray elm]

Would it not be 'quite' instead of 'quit?'
'Quit' is like 'Cu-it'
While 'quite' is like 'Cu-ite'

[minor prism]

Bro that’s the thing I might do I might never look back an shit I hope it is that way ngl I don’t wana be stuck on ark 1 who does lol

[jaunty nexus]

Oh one of these people lol

[ionic meteor]

They're going to expand the primitive era and make it more deeper than before and they'll probably do the same with all other eras of items.

[stray elm]

This is what I'd love.
I would 100% not mind if they made the base-game primitive focus, while slowly making it back to either industrial or tek 2.0 in later DLC's. (since they said 'no tek' for ARK-2. Not future DLC's)

[silver grove]

Oh so you do hope it's better than Ark 1 after all? So why be negative and say it will be shit? Now you have a right to your opinion but at the end of the day we are all the same. We just want something new and nostalgic at the same time. To finally move onto a new game that Is refreshing yet gives the same Ark experience. It's better to voice the things you want in Ark 2 so you too will be happy with the game rather than spew mindless hate with no support. Your opinion of what needs to be changed can have a real impact on the game some day, pure hatred cannot.

[minor prism]

See that’s where your mistaken and trying to convert everybody’s voice into me saying it as a sole person 😂 like I’m the only one lol so I guess who’s the real one hating here?

[silver grove]

You and me are the same is what I'm saying. Our methods of attack are the only difference. We both want Ark 2 to prevail over Ark 1 so we don't have to deal with its bug infested state.

[silver grove]

I can't take you seriously when you use laughing emojis in an argument unironically, also I said we are the same and want the same thing. I would love to hear how you think I'm the one hating. Last time I checked I'm not the one shitting on Ark 2 every chance I get.

[minor prism]

Agreed bro obviously I wana see ark 2 successfully make it and I’m 100% buying it even tho my opinion on it isn’t great, I don’t agree with the buggy side of things because like the mod said they ain’t tryna make the same game so that shit guna come with bugs 100% but regardless of me ther is a whole ass discord with ther own concerns to about ark 2 that everyone seems to get mad at for voicing 😂

Realistically the mod in here coming chopping at throats is just causing segregation and people like me not wanting to voice concern

[silver grove]

Every game comes with bugs tho, and it's true that Ark 2 is basically a whole new game, we can all still love it tho

I'm also not mad at you for voicing your opinion, some may be but, I for one am not. I'm just saying that it's unlikely Ark 2 will be bad and I would like for everyone to enjoy it as much as I will regardless of it being different.

[minor prism]

It’s easy to say shitting on ark every chance I get but the fact is your not listening to the people your just reading words and coming up with shitting on ark every chance I get 🤦‍♂️

[iron sequoia]

[minor prism]

If you actually read what you said about I’m not mad at you for voicing you opinion then why ain’t u listening to peoples opinions instead of saying they shit on ark every chance they get 🤷‍♂️

[silver grove]

To be FAIR, most people that don't like Ark 2 don't even have any arguments to read anyway so me saying that they hate on it every chance they get is completely true and I am reading everything they say because their opinion consists of "Ark 2 is gonna be shit, L + bozo" There's no listening to what they have to say when that's all they say. If they gave me legitimate reasons for this then sure but so far there aren't any besides its gonna be "buggy" No shit, every game is.

[minor prism]

bro I actually Lol’d I can’t even argue with that ngl 😂 fair play lol done me ther 👊

[silver grove]

Honestly man 💀, I just want the game to be decent. I'd like to see what they got coming in terms of new tames. Maybe shake up the way we play PvP entirely perhaps?

[prisma pike]

Ark 2 is gonna be bad cause ark 1 is bad obviously

[silver grove]

Yes you're right how could I have forgotten 💀

[prisma pike]

Wtf was this argument about lol

[silver grove]

Something about Ark 2 is L + ratio + no dad + bozo or something like that.

[prisma pike]

Ok cool what was it actually about

[minor prism]

Man I can’t even lie when I read ark 2 and what it is it made me think Oof a bit ngl but like u say Man U could enjoy it, I’m like the 50 percent talking shit tho I can’t even deny it I just don’t see what u guys see man hopefully I’m wrong 🙏

[silver grove]

Yes, hopefully. Let's see this thing blow us away, and most importantly. Megatherium Supremacy!!!!

[prisma pike]

From the info I have on ark 2 the game will either be great or be unrivaled horse shit. Not much room for inbetween.

[silver grove]

Ark 2 being bad, but most people have no reasoning for thinking that when they say it. They also think it will be worse than Ark 1 even tho it was made in 7 months by basically a school bus of people compared to Ark 2's massive budget, development team and surplus of time.

[prisma pike]

Dying light 2 was bad and it had all those advantages for the second game

Well, besides more competent devs for bugs

[stray elm]

Dying-Light 2 was gameplay leagues better then 1. (besides the night-time gameplay)
But story-wise fell flat.

[prisma pike]

You know that production quality alone doesn't make something good? Look at all the shitty high budget Hollywood movies.

[silver grove]

Ark 2 is meant to be an entirely different game not just a sequel. Also the expectation for a game to have no bugs is weird since every game has bugs. Is it possible for it to be shit...? Sure, maybe, perhaps. But is it likely? Fuckkkk no.

[prisma pike]

Dying light 2's combat blows and the parkour is floaty and too easy to be satisfying

[silver grove]

I have heard that it's shit in comparison but I'm not a fan of either of them.

[stray elm]

I much prefer the combat in 2.

[prisma pike]

On day 1 Iiterally beat a volatile to death with a bat by stunlocking it

[silver grove]

Simply skill issue for the Volatile

[stray elm]

On the topic of DL
Both games are arguably souls-like in combat, in the most basic form. (dodge, light/heavy attacks, combos, etc.)

[stray elm]

Yeah, I do hate that volatiles are complete jokes in DL2

[prisma pike]

People will say anything with a dodge is souls like won't they lol

[stray elm]

Yes

[silver grove]

They looked cool in the first game that's the only thing I know about the game

[prisma pike]

Is for honor souls like?

[silver grove]

Not really

[stray elm]

Yes

[silver grove]

Their system is like their own rendition of it.

[prisma pike]

But it has a dodge and lights and heavies and combos and parries

Obviously a souls like game duh

[stray elm]

I prefer to actually call it 'skill-based melee' but since no one knows what I'm talking about when I refer it to that. I just call any type of those games 'souls-like' since it's a lot more common for some reason.

[silver grove]

Is it Souls-like? I mean kinda because it follows the same principles in terms of basics. But is it souls combat? Fuck no. They have their own spin on it entirely

[prisma pike]

For honor definitely has a higher skill cap than any dark souls like game

Unfortunately, balancing bad.

But if you duel it's aight

[stray elm]

My point to that is, DL kind of shows that a souls-like/'skill-based melee' can work in first person.
Same with extreme parkour and whatnot.

[prisma pike]

Yeah I don't like the no first person thing

[silver grove]

I'm terms of difficulty I'd say Souls games are the ultimate challenge game but as a fan of For Honor. You need way more skill to actually kill someone in that game. You gotta pay attention

[prisma pike]

First and third both have their uses

[stray elm]

I don't 'mind' third-person. But at least give me the option of first.
Even if it's the most laziest, jankiest first-person ever that's literally just the camera taken 'inside' of the players mesh. I'd take that.

[prisma pike]

Yeah just put the camera on our nosetip or sum lol

[stray elm]

Another way they could do it, as a more smoother version of what Conan does.
Basically, everything can be done in first-person. But the moment you pull out a weapon, it kicks you into third-person.

[silver grove]

My only thing about first person in terms of Ark 2 is that the new combat and movement systems would make 1st person weird as hell. However there is the argument that you won't be in combat at all times.

[prisma pike]

Yeah that would be perfect

Unless it's a bow or something you pull out maybe

[stray elm]

Yeah, bows can be the exception.

[prisma pike]

Cause ranged weapons in third are usually pretty bad

[silver grove]

Ew

[stray elm]

Unless a game is built around it.
But that's cause....you know

'It's built around it.'

[silver grove]

Bow characters in Genshin Impact give me an aneurysm.

[prisma pike]

True I guess, but the only game I've seen make it not aids is monster hunter.

[stray elm]

Ranged in general, or bows?

[prisma pike]

Bows

[stray elm]

Ahh.
Then yeah, I have no idea.
I was going to say 'Gears-of-War' if you said "ranged in general"

[prisma pike]

Even Fortnite is okay with gunplay

Third person games with ranged weapons are aids with the peeking tho

[blissful perch]

A "concern" isn't really voiced with "ark 2 will be shit" followed by leaving, which is the most common way I tend to see what you describe. Some folks go on to provide real feedback, others do not

[stray elm]

That, and just being a negative-Nancy will get you nowhere with giving others opinions.
To get a suggestion 'actually' listened to. You need to seem professional, or give real feedback and how to improve it in a passive-tone then "I just fucking hate this"

[blissful perch]

And it's true that some people are huffing hard hopium dreaming about an unrealistic vision of ark 2 and others do the flip and imagine an unrealistically bad vision of ark 2. Without gameplay to ground us it can be hard to agree about what ark 2 will BE let alone what it looks or plays like

You can absolutely say "I fucking hate X", and that's valid feedback

but generic "I hate the entire game" means nothing, because some reasons a player may hate the game can be changed, and others can't

[stray elm]

Not really, if you then 'don't' proceed to give a reason.
You can hate something, that's cool. But if you want to give feedback, then add a 'why' you hate it.

[blissful perch]

GOOD feedback includes why. But feedback in general doesn't require it. Knowing people hate X IS feedback that can be heard and responded to, and sometimes the 'why' people provide is wrong anyway

[silver grove]

Bad opinions don't even surprise me anymore, it's their reasoning behind having the opinion that shocks me most nowadays.

[minor prism]

Yh ppl doing that are idiots bro ngl, but the ones who bothered to read what ark 2 was and what it brings to the table like me it genuinely does worry me because it sounds like it’s going in a direction I’m not comfortable with and I don’t see a future with myself on it for the long term like I did with ark 1 from early access til now. Ark is the only game I can sink hours into no problem lol and when ark 2 got announced with how it’s Guna play an it’s features it 100% lost me ngl but I’m hoping I like it an it’s not a write off for me lol

[blissful perch]

yea that's a legit reason for your opinion

[minor prism]

Il be real to I don’t like Conan don’t like souls and hit and miss with assassins creed lol so the game ain’t got very good selling points for me straight off the bat

[blissful perch]

I'm on the fence about a lot of the mechanics too, but I actually grew less attached to ark the longer I played it and more interested in something that radically shook things up

[minor prism]

Yh arks a mess bro there is no doubt about that I’ve even grew less attached to it myself but the one thing it always does like u say with shake ups is pull u back in. ark is the 1 game I’ve always been pulled back into when I thought I got out for good 😂

[blissful perch]

These days I've always played ark hoping for something more immersive that has less time grind...that still has rewarding play ya know?

I don't want 100x rates to just breeze through the game but 1x is so damn slow I actually grow a full white beard waiting for stuff it feels 😂

[minor prism]

Man I can’t even lie coming from the days where u had an Anky and quetz and no gen 2 shop that was real pain man I gotta say it’s so less Grindy now

[blissful perch]

it's better for sure, but even now the grind is a bit much for me, especially breeding

[minor prism]

100% bro I’m always up in this shit hoping they smash a 2x breed on the weekend ngl 😂

[blissful perch]

My primary draws in ark 2 are gonna be 1.) better movement 2.) better creature AI 3.) more varied resources and crafting

But I’m super worried about the combat and taming mechanics, as well as the balance of the weapons and progression

[minor prism]

2 and 3 I’m with u for sure but 1 I’m kinda stuck unless by movement u mean the climbing etc then I’m 100% with u lol my worries are quite large ngl I’d rather not burden u all with them out of fear of being dashed out the door lmao

[blissful perch]

I mean parkour yes

It’s fine to have lots of concerns, since you enjoyed ark 1 and want to enjoy ark 2. I know if I played official I’d be super worried about CoC enforcement and addressing of bugs/exploits/etc

Hit me with your top 2/3 cardz

[minor prism]

Fr bro we been through some shit in our times on ark through pocket devs to dev spawned gigas to duping to rollbacks by players but that spoofing dev accounts and tribe owners etc was next level dirt lol I ain’t even shitting on the devs cuz they do sort it out but like I said earlier it’s only the critical things they sort like I’ve heard 100s of people moan about a 100 different things throughout and not all of them get fixed actually it’s quite far from it when u consider all the things that have gone wrong on ark and still does to this day 😂

But my top 2/3 concerns for ark2 honestly? 1) has got to be the pvp/pve That concerns me most because it’s Guna be way different to ark 1 and I like being a wiki for ark 1 pvp 😂. And 2) would probably be the mega tribes issue I feel like u don’t stand a chance against 50 tappys smashing your shit in like Yano but that’s just me moaning 😂 3) would probably be me not liking it at all and I go back to ark 1 and they’ve shut servers or even shut ark 1 because that went dead lol

[blissful perch]

ark 1 costs money to maintain, I doubt it's out of spite

The game will be different, and I sort of hope to see knowledge and skill both matter rather than ark 1 where most of the "skill" is memorizing things off the wiki or watching videos. As for megas and tappys lol idk how anyone would fix that issue, but I do wonder if WC will change anything about that in ark 2

[open mulch]

damn yall are havin an essay battle

[minor prism]

Yh that’s pretty legit I wouldn’t mind both skill and knowledge in the mix at all to be fair 😂 Yh it’s not so much the tames I guess cuz I like the op shit myself even tho it’s dangerous lol it’s just the overwhelming part with all the players and you don’t have numbers yourself lol I just said tappys because My cage got shit on lol

[silver grove]

MLA format 1v1

[graceful bay]

when is ark 2 coming lmao

[potent hull]

when aver you want it to com out badi lol jk

[graceful bay]

ok?

[potent hull]

ark 2 it for 2023

look for to November on the 5 for news on ark 2

[lime forge]

Your confidence is inspiring

[potent hull]

in this it say ExtraLife, is right around the corner on November 5th!https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-334-community-corner-and-more-r1997/

i think we will see ark 2 game play

i was rat a bout seeing ark 2 in the xbox event last time i my be rat this time to

[mint swan]

will ark2 be on mobile like ark1?

[mint swan]

it could be something combined of ark 1 original taming methods and the immersive taming mods , or none of this , and completely something new

[tropic crag]

🤡

[tropic crag]

False

[tropic crag]

Tell me you don't base your opinions on evidence and facts such as waiting to see gameplay and trying things out before jumping to conclusions without saying you base your opinions on evidence and facts such as waiting to see gameplay and trying things out before jumping to conclusions 🤡

[tropic crag]

For real though

[mighty lion]

They've already partnered with a mobile developer, so most likely

[tropic crag]

Because we are, you guys (typically Xbox official PvP players, I've come to notice...) just come here to complain and go "Ark 2 guna b trash guyz" without having seen even a scrap of gameplay, let alone played the demo, for yourselves. At least hold your pre-concieved notion that Ark 2 is bad until you actually have a reason to say so, if you haven't seen gameplay or played it yourself you have literally 0 room to say whether or not it'll be shit, because no one does. Nor do we reasonable people have room to say it'll be great, because we also have yet to see gameplay and play it ourselves. Hoping it'll be great and "knowing" it'll be shit are two completely different things, and if you can't hold on (for like, what? 8-10 months, max?) and let your opinions be based on actual evidence of some kind, then just leave. No one is asking you to be here, homie. Take the un-asked for negativity elsewhere. You're not "voicing concern" for the game, you're just being a negative Nancy for no reason. Sorry not sorry, I just hate seeing people like you come in here to shit on a game that doesn't even have a gameplay trailer yet, with no evidence other than "oh well Ark 1 sux so this one will too, 100% guaranteed guyz" every goddamn day, it's tiring to read and a reason why I hope I never get moderator in a server like this, lmao. Rant over

[lime forge]

I don’t think they give moderator to people with Swamp Fever.

[prisma pike]

I should be mod fr

[prisma pike]

Ever thought that the people on official have all gone through similar experiences that would make them think that way? Pretty easy to see what they're saying if you've played it at all.

[tropic crag]

No fucking durr I've played the game, I've even played Xbox official PvP, where most of them come from. Still see no reason why they feel the need to come here and whine about a game that isn't even out yet. Past experiences on a game ≠ everyone's experiences on said game. Sorry y'all got wiped by cheaters or whatever, doesn't mean Ark 2 is going to be shit. To say that is just feebleminded.

[tropic crag]

Also 🤣

[prisma pike]

Why you laughing I should definitely be mod

[tropic crag]

You are hilarious

[prisma pike]

While I thank you for the compliment I don't see how it's relevant to the conversation

[prisma pike]

Well give them a reason to wanna see the new game in a better light then. You contribute nothing to trying to stop their behavior. Usually you cause the opposite actually.

[tropic crag]

I have actually tried to help people see the error in their unfounded statement and maybe appreciate the fact that they even made Ark 2 in the first place, but as stated, most that say "Ark 2 dookie" and the like are a bit slow to the draw, and rather set in their ways

But here I am taking the bait, I've got gaming to do

✌️

[prisma pike]

See ya ig

[tropic crag]

Deuces

[prisma pike]

Wait, where?

Like, I've genuinely never seen you try to do that. Or at least in a way that isn't structured to bait an argument.

[lime forge]

It’s always the barcode names I stg

[tropic crag]

guy wants me to try and find conversations from before he even joined this discord
mfw
🤣

Now please, stop @ ing me

It's fucking with my ui

[prisma pike]

Don't talk if you don't want to be talked to

[blissful perch]

He’s getting better about not taking bait, give him some time. It’s valid to be frustrated at people who strongly state an opinion as a fact and just dip, because it doesn’t really encourage discussion or actually do much of anything

And ofc “don’t talk if you don’t want to be talked to” is comedy 100 so I gotta hand it to you 😂. You see how often people swing by here and say “ark 2 and WC are shit” and just scamper off?

(Also, I think I’d be a better mod; but I’m probably too nice to be a mod on this discord. I think I wouldn’t do enough message deleting and actual enforcement because I prefer to mess around 😂. That and I only chat about ark 2)

[prisma pike]

I mean the guy he was responding to stayed for a while

[blissful perch]

That’s totally true. Like I said, it’s a pent up frustration

[prisma pike]

Idk why you'd be pent up or frustrated over someone's opinion on discord of all places

Especially a discord with a community like... This

This chats probably the best one in terms of how much uh "dumb stuff" is said.

[untold ingot]

It has been that way recently, it used to be pretty good discussion about ark2

[mortal kestrel]

it would be cool if crafting in arkII worked somewhat similar to scum

like instead of needing workbenches, you need tools

so like say I wanted to make a spear, or something else involving wood, I'd need a hatchet

but if I wanted armor, I'd need a knife of sorts

instead of going to a smithy and magically crafting stuff

though it would be cool if you could make a table to craft on, and maybe the quality of the table influences the quality of the craft to some degree

[prisma pike]

I'm saying that this chat has the least stupid stuff in it out of all the chats.

[prisma pike]

Half of that just sound like it's there to be tedious and trying to add something where nothing is really needed to be added.

[mortal kestrel]

eh? actually no

with crafting being modular, it would make more sense of the process was more involved in general

[prisma pike]

How you gonna craft the hatchet when you need a hatchet to make the hatchet cause it has a wooden handle

[lime forge]

That’s obviously not what he suggested

[prisma pike]

Ever heard of comedy?

[lime forge]

Comedy is a crutch for the weak who struggle to cope with life difficulties

[prisma pike]

How this mf felt saying that

[untold ingot]

I like that idea. The whole random workbench to make stuff never really appealed to me anyway

[mortal kestrel]

you dont need a hatchet to make the hatchet

your first hatchet would just be a rock and a stick

[prisma pike]

No vines?

[mortal kestrel]

nah, probably a string made from fiber

[prisma pike]

First weapon in ark 2 should a be a rock shiv that you get from smashing a rock onto another rock in a stream

[tropic crag]

A stream? How are they gonna stream if they have no internet?

[prisma pike]

That's when we find out that ark 2 is online only

[blissful perch]

I’d actually be curious to see if a workbench has a “tool” slot that swaps what blueprints and such you see. It would be annoying tho to have to carry tools around and swap them out

[prisma pike]

There'd just be a box next to the bench with everything in it

Stuff like that is just obnoxious in ganes

Having to put tools into something like a bench and having individual slots for each tool to unlock more stuff wouldn't be annoying but having to swap something out every time would be

[mortal kestrel]

yeah I'd be fine with that too

could just have a box of tools next to it

[mortal kestrel]

my thoughts is you use the tools themselves to craft in your lap or whatnot

the table just affects the tools quality

it would be cool if a weapons overall durability was multiplied based on the quality of what keeps it together

[prisma pike]

Yeah I think things in this department are fine as they are right now

[mortal kestrel]

so like say, you have a basic fiber wrapping that gives a negative modifier for durability, but works if you are first starting or in an emergency

then you could like use a knife to turn that fiber into twine, which has a neutral modifier, and then use a needle to braid the twine to make it much stronger

[mortal kestrel]

crafting in base ark is honestly boring as fuck

aint nothing fine about it, it gets the job done but thats literally it

and since wildcard is making crafting modular, I want to see the process of doing that crafting expanded on too

[prisma pike]

Bro it's crafting, putting a wrench on a bench to get ten percent better dura isn't very engaging either.

[mortal kestrel]

like I said, my thoughts are is that the table affects quality

getting materials for better tables would be engaging, as would be making tools out of different materials and the materials the tool is made out of affecting the stats of the craft

[prisma pike]

And turning some fiber into a string to make a better bow isn't every engaging either

[mortal kestrel]

yeah it is

different strings, different draw strength modifiers

[prisma pike]

Only way it'd be engaging is if they made you pick up the fiber and actually turn it to string yourself

[mortal kestrel]

yes, you would be doing that

[prisma pike]

Otherwise it's just, open inventory press e to craft

[prisma pike]

And that would be boring and tedious as shit

Who wants to do that

[mortal kestrel]

having a modular crafting system as well as modular crafting components makes for very diverse weapons

[mortal kestrel]

I do, because I want to be able to make my own string to tailor my bow to my existing needs

[prisma pike]

Then craft the string that's better for quick shots or whatever by pressing e

[mortal kestrel]

maybe I want a bow that has more power and less range? Ill get a thicker string and make a recurve bow instead of a long bow

[blissful perch]

It would work if the trade off is a box and a crafting bench instead of six crafting benches

[mortal kestrel]

true

[blissful perch]

Agree this option is much smoother if we go down ark 1’s route of multiple crafting stations

[mortal kestrel]

just having a million crafting benches isnt very engaging either

why do I need this bench to craft this saddle specifically when it looks no different from the bench I already have

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t mind more benches with tool slots that add modifiers. I’d prefer that to needing the tools

[mortal kestrel]

granted, its more relevant in modded ark where you actually have different stations

[mortal kestrel]

but why the hell do I need a workbench just to knap some flint? all you are doing is striking it with a rock at an angle

[blissful perch]

You need a mortar and pestle to craft stuff in ark 1, which could theoretically be in your inventory or hands

[mortal kestrel]

it wouldnt make sense to hand craft powder though, a mortar and pestle would be a tool

[prisma pike]

You need to get on your knees, are forced into first person and are forced to mash m1 to craft in it

[blissful perch]

I’m coming at this from a gameplay/UI perspective, and it would be very confusing to have crafting come from items in your inventory as well as benches AND just come randomly from your inventory’s engrams (if that system still exists)

I don’t mind skill based crafting, but it’s best done in small doses for notable variation in quality

[prisma pike]

We have skill based crafting in ark 1 already

[blissful perch]

If you make thousands of items all the time, input heavy crafting is a horrible idea unless you can do batch crafting…and if that’s the case some folks are gonna get flamed for screwing up an input and ruining 10k crafts LOL

[prisma pike]

It's called crafting SKILL

[blissful perch]

Skill based here means input heavy

Not a stat number

[prisma pike]

I know

Crafting should just be how it is now lol

You wanna craft a component then craft it how we craft shit now

I hope blueprints are in ark two honestly

[blissful perch]

Blueprints should be in ark 2, but not with the same quality system

[prisma pike]

People in here cry Abt them but bps add something to do, something useful. Something to trade with others for and all that.

[blissful perch]

Player made blueprints could be cool, or needing certain skills to improve what’s made with blueprints would be cool. But I’m done throwing out medium crops plots looking for something good

[prisma pike]

Opening green drops for bps is your issue lol

Go run a gen 2 mission for a Tek bow bp or something

If you know where to look then getting them is easy

But trying to get the best you can and trading the ones you don't need is a part of the game that the game would feel far less "grindy" without. Getting completely set up by just getting a base and tames set up is pretty shallow.

But of course discord mains in here love to complain because the 30th blue drop on Ragnarok finally gave them a flak bp but it was primitive with 140 dura

[minor prism]

He’s never played the game bro just a discord main, ask him how many days he has on ark 😂

[ionic meteor]

There is a creature that can do that its the helicoprion its a mod for ark 1

they could do that for ark 2 i guess

[prisma pike]

Yeah the dude acts like he knows everything for no reason lol

I needa head to sleep before my imprints are fucked lol

Actually

[minor prism]

😂 I’ve probably forgot more about ark shit in my time than he knows about it ngl

[prisma pike]

Alarm clock op

[minor prism]

Fr wall op to

[prisma pike]

You like what ark 2 is s'posed to be?@minor prism

[minor prism]

Not really bro no, it sounds like I won’t like it to be fair bro, i play official pvp and ark 2 is switching it up a lot for me ngl do you think it will be ok?

[prisma pike]

Depends tbh

Depends on how in depth they're going into the changes into the game