ark-2

[prisma pike]

Is ark 2 Xbox exclusive?

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 won’t initially launch for PS. Yes it’s exclusive

[prisma pike]

Lmao

There's boutta be a lot of people on Xbox from ps

[tropic crag]

Timed exclusive, just like Ark 1

[prisma pike]

People will buy xboxs anyways lol

[tropic crag]

Because Sony doesn't like early access games

[blissful perch]

Sony needs to learn their time in the gaming limelight is about over

[tropic crag]

For real

[fallow niche]

Is it on Epic as well as Steam or just Steam for PC? (Excluding Win10 from the PC part since it's basically Xbox.)

[blissful perch]

Unknown

[tropic crag]

We don't know yet

[blissful perch]

Epic is kinda 💩 tier tho

[fallow niche]

Ah okay, I was not sure if anyone had Epic to check.

[tropic crag]

💯

Since I can't emoji react

[prisma pike]

Epic has them free games tho

[blissful perch]

Crap platform for meh games

[prisma pike]

Welcome to the club

[split dove]

only known for fortnite and unreal engine

[blissful perch]

The free games are a bait to lure you to a worse platform

Epic is amazing for UE, I wouldn’t bash them for that

But their gaming platform is just buns

[untold totem]

The only thing that Epic is useful for is the Dev Kit

[tropic crag]

Epic kinda stinky but their engine is aight

[fallow niche]

So it's only Steam, Win10, and Xbox at launch, I don't know why I thought Epic was included this time

[blissful perch]

I’d prefer if epic was like origin or whatever where it just included epic’s games

[prisma pike]

It'd be kinda fucked if they used their engine but didn't have it on their platform lol

[blissful perch]

Epic by no means has all the games that use UE. That’s the reason it’s an engine

[untold totem]

Tbf I don't mind having "free ARK 2" in Epic just to hoard games

[blissful perch]

That’s like saying everyone who uses Microsoft computers to make games has to sell their games on Xbox 😂

[prisma pike]

I had GTA v on epic and moved the file to steam and got it for free on steam that way lol

[fallow niche]

Well I can see that too lol but I thought it was going to be on Epic as well and I just thought to check 😂

[blissful perch]

Epic doesn’t matter to me unless they hoard a game via exclusivity contract

[tropic crag]

Even then, they still don't matter to me, lol

Sony hasn't, even with God of War

[blissful perch]

I wanted to play man eater but had to wait, I’m still mad lol

[tropic crag]

Or the other 30 great titles they're doing almost nothing with

[tropic crag]

Xbox had it, day one... jus sayin...

No Epic login or nothin

[prisma pike]

Didn't Xbox get it on launch?

[blissful perch]

Xbox doesn’t matter to me either 😂, it’s a PC exclusivity contract. HZD coming to PC was pretty sweet

Nothing more clown than buying a gaming PC and an Xbox unless I’m doing couch coop

[prisma pike]

Fighting games?

[blissful perch]

Plug a controller into your pc

[prisma pike]

Or just chill games like terraria

Or not wanting to deal with cheaters

[blissful perch]

Lotta games are cross play these days

[prisma pike]

Unfortunately

[blissful perch]

If I wanted a “console” I’d probably use a switch or PS, since those are at minimum offering games I can’t get on steam readily

[tropic crag]

That's the main draw for me, waaaaay less cheaters on console Xbox and the exclusives

[blissful perch]

But I wouldn’t touch ark or ark 2 on console…no keyboard = pain for ark lol idk how console folks handle the handicap

[tropic crag]

Plus PC is expensive as hell

[prisma pike]

Yeah don't they have zims or whatever on ps?

[tropic crag]

No clue

[prisma pike]

Zen's I think actually

[untold ingot]

To me that doesn't make as much a difference. I am bad enough with controller that it would basically make everyone seem like an aimbotter compared to me 🤣🤣

[tropic crag]

You can plug in a keyboard, lmao

[prisma pike]

I don't feel handicapped

[blissful perch]

That’s because everyone has the same handicap

[prisma pike]

Unless I'm doing that damn boat race

[blissful perch]

It’s why I dislike cross play and plugged in keyboards lol

[tropic crag]

You already know how I feel about M&K VS controller, though 😅

[prisma pike]

I mean I can beam u with a fabi and all that like a PC player

[blissful perch]

Loved playing Blops2 back in the day with aim assist and everyone on the same playing field

[prisma pike]

Only handicap really is inventory speeds

[untold ingot]

That's a huge handicap imo

[prisma pike]

Not really

Just organize ur inventory

[blissful perch]

Again, it’s fine if everyone has the handicap

[tropic crag]

Again, can totally use a keyboard, bypass it completely

[untold ingot]

The 10 slot weapon swap is too good on mnk

[blissful perch]

But on cross play you’re likely gonna get smoked by mouse and keyboard folks

[tropic crag]

Which I don't like, admittedly

[prisma pike]

Kbm on Xbox can type things that are normally censored in chat lol

Had a giga named fuck you and I was like wth

[untold ingot]

Honestly, controllers need a definite upgrade so they can compete with mnk

[blissful perch]

Eh

Controllers excel at orthogonal gaming, and that’s ok…let them do what they do best

[tropic crag]

Not in my opinion

In reply to Raq

[prisma pike]

I mean if ark 2 is gonna be soulslike then a controller would be the play for the game

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t dare play insanely twisted shadow planet for example on mnk

[untold ingot]

Add a touch pad to one side of a controller and it could compete

[prisma pike]

Didn't ps have that

[blissful perch]

Don’t you dare bring touch pads into this. Touch pads = horrible

[prisma pike]

Facts

[tropic crag]

Agreed

[blissful perch]

I’d like my inputs to work please

[untold ingot]

I am guessing that is a different definition of orthogonal than I am used to

[blissful perch]

Mnk’s biggest weakness is diagonal/smooth angled movement, since wasd can’t do it without 2+ inputs. In fps that’s made up for with the mouse, but in other genres you really just need a controller

[untold ingot]

Maybe. Honestly I am just tired of the whole mnk VS controller argument

[prisma pike]

Mnk biggest stregnth is having more options for controls binds tbh

[tropic crag]

[blissful perch]

It’s an argument only insofar as it prevents controller folks from competing with mnk folks in ark lol

Controller folks prolly gonna get smoked with cross play 😞

[tropic crag]

Debatable

[prisma pike]

Bro I shit on PC players on dedis in a suit

If they aren't cheating at least

[untold ingot]

Either that or some aim assist will be added and totally break the game

[untold ingot]

They must be bad lol

[tropic crag]

Aim assist, 🤮

I play with it off

[prisma pike]

Mnk on ark really isn't all that huge of an advantage fr

[blissful perch]

If they’re good, they’re cheating. You heard the man

[untold ingot]

Lol, sure

[prisma pike]

I mean on windows most PC players are indeed cheaters in some form

[prisma pike]

What's the huge advantage then?

[blissful perch]

It’s something like 5-8% from what I’ve heard

[prisma pike]

I can turn up sensitivity for compensation of not having a mouse

[prisma pike]

Yeah I wish

[untold ingot]

Those are the numbers, if not less

[blissful perch]

It’s sounding a bit like you were serious about all people that kill you were cheaters

I get it, it’s hard to tell them apart when you get smoked 😂, it was like that for me coming to COD on PC

[untold ingot]

I mean, I got banned once because people thought I was aimbotting. And I am not even good

[prisma pike]

Well you see, you can tell if someones cheating or not when they take off your legs and when you kill them they're running two fabis no steak.

Also never said I never died, just said I shit on them.

[tropic crag]

If it looks obvious enough that they're cheating, they probably are, that's my philosophy on it

[blissful perch]

*i shit on pc players, except when they cheat implies you only die to cheaters

[tropic crag]

And if they're just that good, maybe they should go play ranked where I'm not lol

[prisma pike]

Mostly die to lightnings and batt traps tbh

[prisma pike]

Yeah it's called a general statement

[tropic crag]

Make money off their skills, maybe join an esports team 🤣

[prisma pike]

Bro wym don't you know every other PC player that only hits legs is #8 on mts arena

[tropic crag]

I don't even know what that is

[prisma pike]

You don't know what mts is?

It's a steam unofficial that used to be good

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I don't play PvP anymore so if that's a server I have no idea

[blissful perch]

even I know MTS lol

[prisma pike]

But the owner gave YouTubers shit like a code to spectate the map in freecam and shit

[tropic crag]

I retired after Wildcard "retired" us "Legacy" players

[prisma pike]

I mean

[tropic crag]

Took down all my servers, wave after wave

[prisma pike]

Legacy was a dupe fest

Let's be honest it'll probably happen in ark 2 as well

[tropic crag]

Current official is any better, eh? Lmao

[prisma pike]

Yes

[tropic crag]

Press X to doubt

[prisma pike]

Can't dupe anywhere as easily with upload timers and shit

[tropic crag]

But... didn't ya say it was full of cheaters? 🤔

[prisma pike]

And gear has hidden ids that deletes other gear with the same id to prevent duping

[prisma pike]

Yeah dedis

Unless you mean the spoofers

[versed mountain]

Yes

It sucks for those of us that played legacy until the switch, but it is objectively better

[blissful perch]

More regular wipes would make that sting less

[untold ingot]

Conversely it would be worth less too lol

[blissful perch]

There’s pros and cons to wipes

But I think the pros of even long term annual or 2-year wipes outweigh the cons

[silver grove]

Dead ass got one question wrong on this test 💀

[blissful perch]

How does failure feel

(Or is that just me projecting my own childhood trauma 😬)

[versed mountain]

Honestly annual wipes would be dope

Also would help new players onboard easier like in Tarkov

[blissful perch]

Wipes just clean the slate for a new cast of characters. If you’re bad you still get rocked but at least you know what’s rocking you is something a player can get right after wipe

[south lance]

how about getting 40% wrong (dont forget to bring a calculator to your multiple choice physics exam)

[blissful perch]

Bruh lol

Although ofc the US and EU seem to be different. In Britain a 75% is an A right? In most US classes a 75% is a C

[south lance]

thank god this exam wont count as long as i do better on the next 4 exams

[south lance]

depends on the class

ive been in classes where a 50% is a B

[ripe cedar]

Wait wtf

[south lance]

i know some classes in my uni where people getting 35% is an A

or smthn close to that crazy

[blissful perch]

Makes sense in EU

[south lance]

cause curve

[blissful perch]

The exams are usually way harder too

I mean I’ve been in US classes where 35% is a C, but only because they’re afraid to admit they can’t teach and can’t afford to fail 150/300 people in the class

[south lance]

honestly i like this version better

cause actually understanding something feels way better when youre expecting to get 50% wrong at best

[blissful perch]

I think most tests are kinda dumb anyway. Learning > the grade

[south lance]

yeah but learning has become super dependent dependent on external motivation so things like making number go up are now primary motivators for people

tho yeah just learning for the sake of lesrning is the superior method

[blissful perch]

Mostly cause nobody takes the time to make the teachings relevant to anyone 😂

I think ark 2 could provide some teachings in a way, similar to some aspects of the switch version of ark 1. Learning doesn’t always happen in a classroom

[south lance]

also cause education has become a bare necessity to get a decent career 90% of the time

the one thing i learned from ark is how to spend 20 hours on something

[blissful perch]

Hopefully you learned a bit about game design in this chat lol

[versed mountain]

on something that takes 20 seconds to destroy

[south lance]

i mean that too but i hadnt played ark in a year except like 2 sessions last weekend

and some more earlier

[blissful perch]

You aboutta play this weekend

[south lance]

😩

i gotta long weekend tho so its g

[split dove]

the annual torture session

[south lance]

i fucking love offi 1x fjordur cause its so full of bobs now

get to see what peak bob creativity looks like

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I could maybe see annual wipes being good. Like every paid dlc just wipes the board everywhere

[fathom pagoda]

is ark 2 going to be cross platform?

[fallow niche]

Sounds like it, at least between Xbox and the Windows10 edition.

Unsure about Steam.

[mortal kestrel]

most likely, since wildcard is making an effort to have modding on all platforms

I doubt they make that decision without going cross platform

[fair swan]

Ark 2 Xbox and win 10 crossplay?

[past wind]

probably, I think it's their goal, but Ark 1 already does that (the ark MS Store version with Xbox consoles)

their goal for Ark 2 is bringing mods for the other platforms (Epic, MS Store and Xbox?) through mod.io

[fallow niche]

So far just Steam, Win10, and Xbox are confirmed at launch. Do not know when or if Epic will be thrown in.

[silver grove]

I hope the game is entirely cross platform at some point. Just so all the homies from different platforms can finally play again.

[rugged shuttle]

Feel like game about to get delayed one more time

[silver grove]

I'm honestly fine with that man, they need to take the time they need to make this launch smooth.

[rugged shuttle]

I will give them 3 years

[silver grove]

I would expect it by 2024 but I'll wait however long if the game releases in a good state. Try to get the bugs to a minimum before sending it out

[mortal kestrel]

wildcard and smooth launches dont belong together in the same sentence

[mortal kestrel]

also arkII is launching in early access for reason

[silver grove]

I can have all the hope I want, I have passion for the game and the series so regardless of Wildcards history I am still remaining optimistic

[grizzled ermine]

didnt know they were gonna change item researching, always though the old way was kind of annoying

[tropic crag]

[mortal kestrel]

it likely will change to some degree

after all, it doesnt make sense to learn a stone pickaxe engram when you can craft that pickaxe with whatever material suits your needs

[grizzled ermine]

on the steam page it says you will learn new engrams with story/quests

[mortal kestrel]

I reread the steam page and it infact does not

modular craffing btw

"Construct your weapons and tools from a range of distinct modules to customize their look and functionality -- millions of possible combinations enable you to craft your own unique gear! The specific materials you choose will further affect the appearance of your items, with multiple options of resources found in unique regions of the world."

tbh this sounds like it goes way beyond

"me caveman, me use rock on stick instead of flint"

and sounds more like its more dynamic than that, with maybe different styles of handles and shafts and guards depending on the weapon to give a better capacity for different stats

so its like you make the handle shorter on a sword for more swing speed, and longer for more swing power while sacrificing speed

[visual cloak]

Kinda like in the forest

That's almost exactly what you do

Add teeth for extra damage, add feathers for swing speed somehow, but it all adds something to it in some way

[mortal kestrel]

I think of modular crafting like the tinkers construct mod for minecraft tbh

[visual cloak]

I've never played that, is it kinda the same?

[mortal kestrel]

its super indepth

you can modify every part of a weapon and a weapon would have different stats depending on what it is crafted with

[visual cloak]

I feel like that may be unnessicary, I feel like it should be semi-basic, like the Horizion Forbidden west crafting system, like collect a rare eye, and a specific type of plant

[mortal kestrel]

meh, I like the idea

[visual cloak]

And then you would slightly upgrade every stat that weapon has

but I feel like more types of weapons would work better, kinda like the conan weapon system

[mortal kestrel]

I want to be able to use obsidian as my weapons blade so I can have high damage and bleed in exchange for low durability

and maybe a thing where the lower the weapons durability the sharper it gets

because if you've ever seen a well used obsidian weapon, obsidian gets smoother and sharper with use

[visual cloak]

yea, and it would add a whole new level of weapons, and with stone maybe it could have a chance to randomly break like the spear does

[mortal kestrel]

mega tribes can farm literally any possible mechanic easily

thats the equivalent of saying "why didnt you donate that money to charity" because that mindset can be applied to literally everything

[visual cloak]

true, as well as do you see the mega alpha tribes on PvP servers as it is

Their the only ones basically playing at this point

[mortal kestrel]

besides, counter point

if the weapon system was that diverse, then a mega tribe would likely want different materials from your average solo chad

[visual cloak]

but it wouldn't be a gap, it would be more of a middle ground

It would be the teir maybe between tek and metal

[mortal kestrel]

a mega tribe would want something easy to farm and reliable so they can easily equip their numbers

where as a solo player would want more niche materials specific to their needs as an individual player

not really

its not always so extreme

[visual cloak]

And with "Dark souls like combat," you would have to depend on your stregnths in that type of combat

I'm already there

L

[mortal kestrel]

stones could give weapons a blunt concussive damage modifier for example which could make it more useful for mace type weapons

meanwhile flint can have a high damage for low durability tradeoff for the weapons head or blade

bone could be another material, which makes the weapon jagged, doesnt do as much damage as flint but has more durability and maybe a chance to cause bleed

[visual cloak]

I'm suprised bone was never implimented into ark 1

[blissful perch]

Weighed down by bones

Ark 2 would really benefit from a carving system

[jaunty nexus]

god that brought back bad skyrim vibes

[mortal kestrel]

obsidian is specificially a high end extreme example I gave

it is probably the sharpest material on the planet after all

[mortal kestrel]

yes

[visual cloak]

And maybe like a scrap metal teir, like santiagos weapons in the trailers, it could have a chance of tetnis

Then there should be a semi-difficult cure to make for it

[blissful perch]

That requires anaerobic conditions, not metal

[visual cloak]

Like rust though, since it's scrap

[blissful perch]

It’s just that rust pockets on metal happen to be habitable for that bacteria lol

[visual cloak]

like from the genesis ship

[mortal kestrel]

nah, scrap would be high durability for medium damage honestly

[blissful perch]

Scrap tek seems to maintain a fairly rustless sheen

[mortal kestrel]

you can always melt scrap down and rerefine it into useable metal

[blissful perch]

I’m down for a tinkers construct system, but I’m also fearful of TC moments where you for example make arrows that can’t be fired lol

[mortal kestrel]

and no you dont need no high tech forge, literally just clay and some coal

[mortal kestrel]

I think wildcard just wouldnt allow that stuff to be crafted tbh

[visual cloak]

tru e

[mortal kestrel]

also keep in mind the blade or head isnt the only part of a weapon

[blissful perch]

Millions of combinations doesn’t sound like every one can be tested lmao

[visual cloak]

true

You also have the shaft/handle

as well as the rope holding all of it together

[blissful perch]

The spirit of the blade

[mortal kestrel]

metal would likely be a great handle for example, either adding extra damage or extra damage depending on how much durability is added through the thickness of the metal used

obsidian and flint wouldnt make great handles really

and dont forget about bindings, hilts, and cross/wideguards

[visual cloak]

true, I still would like a conan-like weapon variety

Cause conan has longsword, short sword, dagger, shield, spear, double headed axe, spear, bearded axe, ect

[blissful perch]

I’d like to see some way to track what materials do instead of guessing

[mortal kestrel]

it would make conans weapon variety look small tbh if wildcard went the tinkers approach with gear crafting

[blissful perch]

Imagine farming a rare gem and finding out it’s ass in a spear but godlike on a bow

[visual cloak]

I'd be ok with that

[mortal kestrel]

hell, since weapon looks will be dynamic depending on whats used (at least Im pretty sure this is confirmed) arkII will finally have a fashion endgame loop

[ripe cedar]

I mean it could let you see how it affects stats before crafting so you can experiment but not have to commit

[blissful perch]

I’d like to at least know what stats it changes, yea

I’m also fine with a more RPG approach where you make 10 handles and it unlocks a book for each handle that shows the stats

[mortal kestrel]

I would like that to be something you'd need to unlock via skill tree tbh

maybe not the generality of what the material affects, but specific modifers

[blissful perch]

You make a birch oak and maple handle and the game says “ok you have now made three handles and have three handle entries where you can read their stats and compare them”

[visual cloak]

That would be fun, and it would promote exploring more biomes

[ripe cedar]

Wiki is annoying because then you just look at that instead of experimenting

[blissful perch]

Skill tree can limit which handles you can make or which materials you can gather

[blissful perch]

It’s an ingame encyclopedia

[visual cloak]

I hate when games do that though

[blissful perch]

It’s fine if everyone gets the skills

[ripe cedar]

I know my point is wiki makes it pointless for many players even though its a cool feature

[visual cloak]

yes

but I don't use the Wiki ever though

I jump in head first without a second thought

[blissful perch]

Wiki is gonna do that anyway lol. People are gonna post to it and people will use it to create the “meta” for each tool and weapon

[mortal kestrel]

so like without x perk, lets call it inspector for convenience

you get some redwood for example, you'll just see it adds durability

but if you have inspectors on, you'd see that now maybe it gives bonus durability, and also has a modifer for softness which means the crafted gear loses durability quickly, but it say its also extremely flexible so its good for making bows and early throwing weapons

[blissful perch]

Any skill that is better found on the wiki or an ingame UI is a no from me

[visual cloak]

Then you should say no to any game ever made

[mortal kestrel]

well, instead of it being a perk you unlock using points

our codename inspector is unlocked by simply using a number of different materials in crafting, and make it give more information based on how many materials you have used over time

could make inspector more relevant to gameplay by making it so specific bonuses can only be gotten if the perk is "leveled" enough

[blissful perch]

A skill that grants you partial knowledge is useless. If all players at all times can inspect materials to learn about them, that’s a different (and superior) idea

[visual cloak]

No matter what you do, there will be a wiki or a calculator and a already finished book of everything in it constantly

SO no matter what you do, it's gonna happen

you can choose to look at it

you don't have to, it's a choice

[blissful perch]

A wiki can tell you a rex has an hp stat, but it can’t tell you the exact steps to kill it

Unless you had a wiki that told you about every rock tree bush nearby creature etc 😂

[mortal kestrel]

it would be awesome if different creatures had different hides

[blissful perch]

I’m down for that, same with bones fangs or other materials

[trail lagoon]

we will have components. Add hilarious component to your weapon to be able to destroy neighbor pillar in hilarious way..

[split dove]

I just want my skull clubs

[mortal kestrel]

add boomstick component so your weapon explodes every time you hit something

[blissful perch]

Hilarious components are gonna be stuff that makes weapons worse

Spears made with dumb stuff will disrespect people by being clearly inferior to the meta

[trail lagoon]

yea you will hear lol acros all map each time you use spear

[blissful perch]

In ark 1 maybe. Who knows, maybe spears will be in style in ark 2

Little bit of that human need to form Roman phalanx

[untold totem]

and shouldn't be handholding too much on the solo players, you are meant to group up in a tribe

if you want a harder mode then be a solo player

[blissful perch]

I think solo play should be possible but difficult

In ark 1 for a long time it was impossible without tons of respecs to even get all the engrams, which I found lame

[mortal kestrel]

I fundamentally disagree with this

I shouldnt be forced to interact with people just to have a good time

besides if Im in a tribe then Im never satisfied with my progress, Ill feel like I didnt work for anything unless Im literally the one doing every tiny bit of work

[shadow fiber]

i fully agree with this

[untold totem]

it kinda removes the point if the game if every solo just breeze through progression

[mortal kestrel]

group play will naturally be easier than solo play, thats just the general dynamic of how things work

but I want to be able to solo every piece of content if I get skilled enough at it

[shadow fiber]

i havent read the convo i just hopped into here, in my opinion, it should be harder in solo. just not so hard that its unplayable and not fun

[mortal kestrel]

at the end of the day ark is a sandbox game, as is arkII

there is no point to the game besides having fun, as thats what a sandbox game is for; having fun your own way

[untold totem]

it should be harder, not baby the solo players, if you get raided by a well organized tribe as a solo then it be better to have some helping hand

[mortal kestrel]

and there's no denying that a large percentage of the ark community plays solo despite mega tribe domination

if it were not the case, wildcard wouldnt have done so much to make solo play easier as the game grew

[untold totem]

because most solo players mastered the skill without needing help from people and the game, making difficult for themselves

(also SP mode exists)

[mortal kestrel]

and sp mode will likely exist in arkII

[shadow fiber]

fr i should read what the convo is about before saying anything lol

[untold totem]

solo should be more of a difficulty tweak and shouldn't be babied by the game

that is the convo

edit: not SP, you can do whatever in there

[mortal kestrel]

solo shouldnt really be a difficulty tweak as its a playstyle

[shadow fiber]

all i need for the game to be in sp, is possible to play haha. cause games like atlas arent very sp friendly

[mortal kestrel]

solo play is more difficult by default, as you have to do everything yourself

[shadow fiber]

You still shouldnt be getting an advantage against other people for that reasoning

[mortal kestrel]

instead of one guy building, that guy getting resources, and this random egirl in the back doing nothing but taming jerboas

[mortal kestrel]

Im not saying there should be an advantage

[untold totem]

ARK 2 should encourage more people to tribe up and not relying on respecs or make respecs hard

for solos, they either do trade, loot or wait for the respec cooldown to abuse the respec

[mortal kestrel]

Im just saying solo play is harder naturally anyway, and difficulty does not really need to be fabricated because someone chooses to be solo

[untold totem]

i dunno some solos made soloing a breeze

[mortal kestrel]

because they took the time to know the games mechanics inside and out?

that should be rewarded, not punished

[untold totem]

this is not the 90's anymore, we have youtube guides and wikis for that

[mortal kestrel]

besides, arkII in general will be more dangerous, with damage being meaningful, smarter dinos, combat not just being left click simulator, hell even the parkour

there is so much a solo player would need to master to be able to exist in arkII by themselves

[untold totem]

the quirk of "learning the mechanics" is trivial when people start making guides online

[mortal kestrel]

so its really not fair to punish someone by artificially making the game harder just because they arent social

[untold totem]

no because it was meant to be played... with a group

if you dont want that then #gidgud

[mortal kestrel]

arkIIs combat will be dark souls based, even the best guide in the world can only help so much if you as a player just suck ass

[mortal kestrel]

I actually dont see anything saying arkII is particularly meant to be played as a group

[untold totem]

souls games are SP... solos won't see it as a challenge

[untold totem]

tribes in trailer, tribes in motif, everything centralized about tribes... and family

same with ARK 1

[mortal kestrel]

the steam page does say every core mechanic of ark has been reworked

and seeing as how wildcard has only made solo play easier over the years

I really dont see wildcard doing a sudden 180 and being like "solo play bad" when they've made significant effort in improving the solo experience

[untold totem]

for SP maybe but i doubt in MP

if they do what in MP then ARK 2 is the easiest game

[mortal kestrel]

the game plays more or less the same in both single and multiplayer

[untold totem]

SP mode in ARK 1 made everything easier in SP lmao, disable it then it becomes the same as multiplayer

[silver grove]

Add lean to Ark 2

Nothing better than a waterskin full of purp

[tropic crag]

Thanks, for your... glowingly helpful contribution...

[blissful perch]

It’s a better contribution than “ark 2 bad: source just trust me”

[tropic crag]

No it doesn't, it literally just gives you more engram points per level lmao, doesn't do aaaaaaaaaanything else whatsoever

[blissful perch]

Tame level cap is raised, tame damage is raised, and some bosses are made easier

[tropic crag]

Fair enough, I suppose

[blissful perch]

SP mode actually does have some more major changes. It’s just weird that other stuff like crop growth (you’d think that should be changed) mating timers and tame speed aren’t changed

[tropic crag]

That happens without the "singleplayer settings" setting turned on, it's strange. But if you run a non-dedicated (tether session) and play it, none of that happens

[blissful perch]

I think it activates outside the “SP” setting selection? It’s definitely weird

[tropic crag]

I've done extensive testing in that regard, lol

It's very strange

[lavish rain]

Ice

[tropic crag]

You also can't transfer straight across in the singleplayer "mode", as in, with your inventory. But you can't if it's non-dedi, either. So it's actually harder in some regards as well, that and the fact that nothing renders/happens if you aren't in the map cell because it's being ran by your system as a localized server of sorts

(At least, on Xbox/Win10, never tried that with Steam version to be fair but see no reason it would be any different)

[blissful perch]

Can confirm everything goes into stasis when out of render

[tropic crag]

That's good, or, well, not GOOD per se, but I guess consistent would be the word? Which isn't always the case with games that have multiple versions, lol

[blissful perch]

It’s actually insanely bad for breeding because it prevents juveniles from using troughs. Everything basically “instantly” eats when it comes back into render, which for whatever reason is usually a guaranteed die off

[tropic crag]

Yeah, taming stops when out of render too, at least on Xbox, haven't checked since the taming HUD though to be fair (which may have changed that, idk)

[lavish rain]

It has

They tame out of render

[tropic crag]

That's good, at least

[tropic crag]

Yeah, never understood why that happens in my whole time playing

[lavish rain]

I haven't checked sp for that tho

[blissful perch]

With taming hud I can confirm it works out of render

But all the nearby wild creatures don’t move so being out of ranger actually makes for easier taming lol

[tropic crag]

True

[blissful perch]

You basically slap 200 mejos on a mammoth and run away for 40 minutes and come back to feed narc and rinse repeat

[lavish rain]

You usually don't need narcs eithet

[tropic crag]

Yeah, which is easier than the usual method of never leaving the dino EVER or you pay the price (or at least run the risk) of it dying

[lavish rain]

I hope tame tracker stays in ark 2, or at least get added early on

[blissful perch]

I hope we don’t need a tame tracker for most or any tames

[lavish rain]

Well we didn't need it but we could really use one

[tropic crag]

Same, that is a super gamey mechanic that I hope stays

[blissful perch]

Multi hour tames needed a tracker…but if you’re taming something actively you’re gonna be next to it lol

[tropic crag]

I doubt knockout tames are going away entirely, that'd be a rather huge blunder to pull

[blissful perch]

You mean massive success?

KO tames are dumb lol

[tropic crag]

Passive tames need tracking too

[blissful perch]

It’s a good feature, but I’m saying it’s not as mandatory imo if taming is shorter and more involved

[tropic crag]

Maybe to you, tranqing and narcs are kinda part of Ark's DNA though. Take em out entirely and you'll surely lose players that like it

[lavish rain]

I don't know how anyone was able to tame sinos without a tracker

[tropic crag]

It would be dumb not to include tranq taming, seeing as how it's canonically how like 50% of the tames from the first game are tamed

[blissful perch]

Again, dumb is a weird word to say genius

[tropic crag]

Good thing the tracker came out before them then, huh?

[blissful perch]

Slapping a box on the ground and waiting around for a tame to complete is good gameplay for 2015, but it’s aged poorly

[silver grove]

Peak game play

[tropic crag]

Eh, I beg to differ

[blissful perch]

It’s safe gameplay compared to the agony I experienced taming an amarga out in the wild, but it’s not really fun unless you add personal handicaps. Otherwise it’s just box + time = tame

[tropic crag]

When everything is you running up behind something and hoping it doesn't notice you for an hour while you hand feed it shit, that's more than boring, it's fucking annoying

Citation: shadowmanes

Fuck taming shadowmanes

[blissful perch]

“Standard” Passive taming isn’t really much more engaging than KO taming

[tropic crag]

And amargas

[blissful perch]

Amarga taming is sick, but amargas themselves suck at it lol

[tropic crag]

Amarga taming is ass and you know it lol

Makes no sense half the time

[lavish rain]

Exactly

[blissful perch]

The concept is amazing. You should just be able to hunt with the amarga and let it go as low as 0.01% hp before you lose taming effectiveness

That and amarga necks prevent them from hitting certain creatures, which is just a dumb design moment

[tropic crag]

That's my point, the concept is great, but the execution? Not so much

[lavish rain]

They weren't that bad on fjordur

[blissful perch]

Execution can be improved, much like KO taming has been improved via kibble, taming trackers etc

[tropic crag]

They're the same anywhere you tame em, though?

[lavish rain]

More open area tho

[tropic crag]

Sure, I guess

[lavish rain]

Just kite them out of the blue

[tropic crag]

And before we forget, you can still put all of those tames in a box, it's just more work/confusing to do, which isn't fun

[blissful perch]

The issue I have with shadowmane taming was that they’d aggro to literally anything and just yeet on off into other packs of manes or get hurt and you’d lose effectiveness

Or night time would start and that’s gg for that tame effort lol

[tropic crag]

Their agro range is dumb as fuck, literally all agro reducing buffs on and I can't even feed em more than twice before they "see me" and lose all taming instantly

Absolute trash taming method, even if it's creative

[lavish rain]

It's basically a standard passive tame but with cancer

[tropic crag]

That is also very stupid

[tropic crag]

💯

[blissful perch]

Agreed. The execution has been bad for a lot of the new tame methods

I think sinomacrops was a good one, as was fjordhawks

(It’s due to ark’s corpse hp system that fjordhawk tames were so easily cheesed, which I’m gonna say isn’t really the hawk’s taming method’s fault)

[tropic crag]

Sure, still annoying but serviceable (aka, ACTUALLY possible)

[blissful perch]

Oh I loved taming those two. Way more fun than waiting next to a KOd creature

[lavish rain]

Fjordhawks were troodon tames done right

[tropic crag]

Not that fjordhawks should've been hard in the first place, the more accessible a what-should've-been-base optional feature is, the better

Item recovery on death should've been an unofficial setting

Every other survival has the setting

[lunar finch]

[tropic crag]

Minceraft

[blissful perch]

Not wrong, but sort of outside the point of us talking about taming methods for ark 2 lol

I’d love to see more tames like the hawk, and more tames that work like how immersive taming does rex taming (battle and then food)

[tropic crag]

I would also hope that allegiance to the player is more complex on the other hand, though. Like, tames will try to eat you or just leave if you don't feed them enough or train them enough, but that's a pipe dream tbh

And also wouldn't make sense in the world of Ark, where the dinos have predisposed genetic markers that denote their loyalness to the tamer lol

[blissful perch]

You know my opinion on lore as it pertains to gameplay

[tropic crag]

Don't get me wrong, I do want tames to be more involved, just post-taming process, like a skill tree that has to be trained and such

Levelling them up actually mattering, you know

[blissful perch]

As I’ll keep saying, you’re limited in your ability to do that insofar as tames are expendable in PvP

[lavish rain]

I hate skill trees

[blissful perch]

If tames aren’t expendable and can be slain, people won’t use em in combat unless they’re megas and they are functionally “expendable because they have the time to grind tons of these tames. If tames aren’t expendable and can’t be slain though…now things get interesting

[blissful perch]

Weird way to say “I hate fun”

[lavish rain]

It's Bad enough the game will be assassins creed dinosaurs

[lavish rain]

Nothing fun about skill trees

[blissful perch]

You don’t like specing to fit a playstyle?

[iron sequoia]

[blissful perch]

This is where a mod says “shifter, you’re so on topic! Let me contribute to the discussion” right?

[lavish rain]

You like wasting time looking at a skill tree

[blissful perch]

You want a linear skill progression system instead?

[lavish rain]

It's minute difference with or without skull trees

[lavish rain]

Yes, better than skill trees

[blissful perch]

So you’d prefer on level up to just get new skills? No UI or player input?

[lavish rain]

Yes

Skill trees are boring and pointless

But I do wanna see what those passive abilities will be, badly, it better not be dumb sjit lie +2% faster taming

[blissful perch]

Skill trees certainly can be boring and pointless. It boils down a lot to what’s on them

[tropic crag]

[blissful perch]

Skill trees in a good rpg can separate mages from rangers from warriors from barbarians etc

Bad ones are just filled with false choices and pointless waste of time upgrades

[lavish rain]

That's what I feel is most likely to happen

[blissful perch]

So get the hesitation with skill trees, because there’s a lot of room for bad implementation

[tropic crag]

So, he just hates bad skill trees, which uhhhh

So does anyone else? Lmao

[blissful perch]

Not sure I’d lead with “skill trees suck” to get that point across tho

[tropic crag]

Yeah, comes off a little whiny

[blissful perch]

Comes off as wildly different from the actual idea that was supposed to be communicated

[lavish rain]

I hate when said skill trees make very little difference in gameplay

[south lance]

i like gameplay being fun

crazy take i know

[lavish rain]

If they make major differences affecting a playstyle, that's fine

[blissful perch]

Sure, that’s the sort of “best for the worst” which is a lame skill tree that doesn’t really feel like it does much

[tropic crag]

😂

[lavish rain]

Just no +1% damage shit

[tropic crag]

Since I still can't emoji react...

[south lance]

tho honestly as far as skill trees are concerned i dont think they should be too important besides in what they allow players to do

[lavish rain]

I think they should be

[south lance]

which isnt really the skill tree itself as a mechanic doing anything

just the abilities that are part of it

why though

[lavish rain]

Like if a skill give you a passive that allows you to use a tame tracker, for instance

[tropic crag]

🤮

[south lance]

but thats the skill itself doing something cool

not the tree

[tropic crag]

Locking game features behind skills is gross

[south lance]

if you had 20 options for skills that you had to spend idk knowlwdge points on youd get the same effect

[lavish rain]

I want to hear why,

[south lance]

rather than having to be locked into certain branches in order to get certain skills

[tropic crag]

...You just

[lavish rain]

That's like saying locking game mechanics behind progress is gross

[tropic crag]

Did

[ionic meteor]

I strongly agree with that

[south lance]

locking game features behind things that take a disproportionate amount of time to acquire is pretty cringe

[tropic crag]

[ionic meteor]

New skill unlocked: taming rexes!

Just no

[tropic crag]

Yep, that

Hate shit like that

[lavish rain]

They said there will be passive you can unlock, which sounds a lot like mechanics

[tropic crag]

Passive skills do not equal mechanics, tf?

Who told you that lol

[blissful perch]

You can have linear/knowledge point unlocks for game mechanics AND a skill tree with skills that make things easier/better but aren’t core mechanics

[south lance]

its why i hate rng drops

[lavish rain]

Sometimes it does

[ionic meteor]

I hope they add skills that benefit us and make us work hard to get them

[lavish rain]

As long as passive skills isn't shit like +2% ranged damage

[south lance]

since you can always end up spending a stupid amount of time on something that shouldnt take that much time

[ionic meteor]

Like maybe a skill that prevents dismounts or something

[blissful perch]

For your knowledge that supports the idea of locking game mechanics behind elements of a skill/progression system

[lavish rain]

Ol what does an ideal skill tree look like @blissful perch @south lance @ionic meteor @tropic crag

And why did I get renamed tekskilltree

[south lance]

i dont know

[tropic crag]

It happened before you struck up the conversation, so I'm gonna say you did?

[blissful perch]

A serious of non essential but beneficial passive and active abilities that players can choose from to fit their needs and playstyle

[south lance]

i think the better question is whether you should have skill trees

[tropic crag]

Unless a mod did but I highly doubt that

[lavish rain]

A mod probably did and I just now noticed

[south lance]

since if you are set on having skill trees an ideal version would be dependent on how the rest of the game works and what features are on the skill tree imo

[lavish rain]

What do these non essencial passive and actives look like?

[ionic meteor]

Perhaps they should make it branch off into different classes and each would be focus on an aspect of the game

Like tamers, builders, warriors

[tropic crag]

That I think is a good one, still very much of-the-mind that there should be set jobs within Ark 2 as you stated

[lavish rain]

New skill: snapping ceilings to pillars

[tropic crag]

And have trading with NPCs fill in the gaps when you are solo, or some such

[ionic meteor]

Like for example tamers tame stuff just easier

[blissful perch]

Do you want an abstract answer or a practical one where I invent skills for a game I haven’t seen gameplay for 😂

[tropic crag]

Not what he means but ok lol

[lavish rain]

Wtf would builder give me

[tropic crag]

Less mats to craft a building, more efficient harvesting, etc

I don't know dude, have an imagination for a sec

[blissful perch]

Builder would probably grant bonuses to carrying structures and open up new engrams

[lavish rain]

Practical, are these non essencial skills like +2 damage towards tames?

[ionic meteor]

No maybe for builders like reduced weight for ALL structures, chance to not consume structures upon placing.

[blissful perch]

No. These would be passive skills like “longbow equip” that let you equip certain weapons and armor, or active skills like being able to temporarily climb surfaces default players can’t using parkour alone

[lavish rain]

New skill unlocked: able to equip flak armor

[blissful perch]

Or even simple things like being able to light arrows on fire as you draw the bow if you have certain items in your inventory

[ionic meteor]

Not like that no

[lavish rain]

The cringe levels are rising faster than a flash flood

[tropic crag]

You are difficult and terse for the sake of being difficult and terse, I swear

[blissful perch]

Yes like that. Flak could be “heavy armor” and all heavy armor equips could require a skill

In your linear dream TekStone you could simply bar this skill at level 60 or whatever

[lavish rain]

I'm not

[tropic crag]

That's usually the best of both worlds, it's not a mechanic per se, but still locked behind a skill

[blissful perch]

It would prevent you from just throwing flak on the ground for a level 1 Bob tho, which is true cringe

[tropic crag]

🤣

[tropic crag]

At this

[lavish rain]

No

[tropic crag]

Agreed

[lavish rain]

I'm fine with being able to equip all items without engram

[blissful perch]

Cool. I think it’s lame

[tropic crag]

🤮

You shouldn't be able to use items you don't know how to use, simple as

[lavish rain]

That is, if the engrams are anything like ark1

[lavish rain]

I don't know how to build a phone, but I'm typing on one right now

[ionic meteor]

Okay this is a good one

[tropic crag]

You learned how to use a phone, did you not?

[blissful perch]

That’s why saddles should be free use

But it takes training to wear heavy armor usually

[lavish rain]

No, i kinda just, figured it out the first time I got one

It didn't take that long

[blissful perch]

Same with using a bow. You don’t just pick a bow up and shoot 100m

[tropic crag]

That's called... get this... LEARNING

[blissful perch]

Smart phones are also not mechanically or physically difficult to use

[lavish rain]

That's what I'm trying to say

[blissful perch]

A suit of metal armor however takes intensive training to use

[lavish rain]

I picked up a gun and fired it

[tropic crag]

The phone clearly is the smart one in the relationship

[blissful perch]

Because a gun is easy to use

[tropic crag]

[blissful perch]

Skill based equipment use won’t apply to everything. Just certain armors and weapons that provide benefit to those who chose those skills over others

[tropic crag]

Go start fencing in a suit of chainmail, right now. I wanna see you instantly master it

[lavish rain]

I won't master it but I'll know how to use a sword withing 30 seconds

[tropic crag]

(Despite it taking years upon years of training)

[lavish rain]

I haven't mastered the art of gun yet I can shoot one

[blissful perch]

Having done fencing…no you won’t

[tropic crag]

[tropic crag]

The flawed logic here is stunning

My mind hurts, gonna hop out for now

[lime forge]

He didn’t say build. He said use.

I don’t even know what you guys are talking about I just wanna argue with Lotus

[lavish rain]

Ok

[lavish rain]

Take it to shifters server

[hearty fern]

rip ark 1

🥹

[blissful perch]

It’s a good sendoff. Ark 1 official can rest, and so can the players who spent too much time on it

[versed mountain]

This. No need to complicate a system just to frustrate people

[lavish rain]

@tropic crag

[versed mountain]

Ruins the tribe dynamic if not. If my friend learned how to craft a gun and i learned how to craft a saddle, I should be able to shoot the gun and he should be able to ride the dino

[tropic crag]

Don't @ me, foo

[blissful perch]

False? I should at minimum be the level to make the item to use it

[lavish rain]

How about autounlock

Engrams are dumb anyways

[lime forge]

I disagree

[blissful perch]

Agree completely with auto unlock

But I think players shouldn’t be able to use an item until they’ve progressed enough to unlock it. Similar to tekgrams. Exceptions obviously exist for saddles (which should be free to use) and structures

[past wind]

It wouldn’t fit officials, it wasn’t possible to learn all engrams (not enough points). Unless they changed it (I’m on unnoficials since 2018-2019).

[blissful perch]

He’s suggesting it for ark 2

And I think he’s right: engram points is an unfun idea that just inhibits people…it’s far better to just level/knowledge point lock things

[past wind]

I know. I hope they change it, but making it very balanced.

[lime forge]

I really like valheims system. For anyone that doesn’t know once you collect all the components for a recipe or structure you unlock it. I’d like to see something closer to that.

[past wind]

True. Agreed. And it gives a reason to explore. Even more if we consider the info they gave about different materials making different weapons/tools.

[silver grove]

🍖🦖

[blissful perch]

It’s a good system but for component crafting that’s tricky since you could make the “spear” probably with simple materials and it would whiff on the value of the modular system. You’d probably be better off with level requirements to use certain materials to make components with

[patent gale]

Just a question, will ark 2 come to ps5?

[silver grove]

So far its only confirmed for Xbox and PC at launch because of the deal wildcard and Microsoft have. It will likely be on ps5 just not on the launch day.

The game is currently labeled as an Xbox launch day exclusive alongside PC

LoadedCrysis posted a video an hour ago on Ark 2 news if anyone is interested in some extra minor details.

[fallow niche]

LoadedClickBait. Nope.

[blissful perch]

Did WC post anything new? If not, the video is prolly not worth much

[fallow niche]

Nope

[blissful perch]

I think a lot of people missed the value of what was revealed in the Pax stream tho. A dang treasure trove of information compared to what I was expecting

[fallow niche]

The video was him guessing the first half of 2023 as a release, solely based on the el stream and something posted by Microsoft about upcoming games, even though I'm fairly sure that had no date either.

[split dove]

knowing him, he's probably going to be clickbaiting the dino concepts as if they're for ark 2

[blissful perch]

He’s probably using the argument I’ve seen here of “the Microsoft event showed games loosely coming out by June 2023 so it has to be then”

[fallow niche]

Just a PSA- there are no dino concepts for ark 2

[blissful perch]

We do have the trailers (do what you will with that)

[fallow niche]

Yes, but no other concepts or gameplay or anything else lmao I'm just basing it off of this exact thing, cause we know he's made comments about dinos being added into the game before

[past wind]

The MS Ad only says Ark is coming for Xbox and Game Pass on 2023 and that’s it.

[blissful perch]

That’s because the MS Ad is tragically limited by facts

[fallow niche]

[past wind]

Also, if you want a date, Steam says it’s coming on 12/31/2023

[blissful perch]

I want a date no sooner and no later than the time WC is 100% confident about it

If they don’t know until the day it comes out, cool. Don’t tell me before that time then

[fallow niche]

quit lion

[upper kindle]

thatll be never

[fallow niche]

(lying pun, forgive me)

[blissful perch]

I’m down for a surprise over deception. I planned my weekend around the first Gen 2 release date and uh yea

[past wind]

They’ve changed 🤔

[fallow niche]

Nope, it's always been 2023.

[past wind]

I’m pretty sure it was there when I bookmarked

[past wind]

My bad then

[fallow niche]

It's fine lol

[ripe cedar]

steam db does has the date as 12/31/2023 but that seems like a placeholder to just cover any time for 2023 until they can narrow it down

[mortal kestrel]

loaded crysis is certainly loaded

but not in a good way

[stray elm]

HAHA!
'No'

I'd rather read then watch any of his videos ever again.

[vagrant plume]

What info was there?

[fallow niche]

https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-331-pax-west-recap-modio-interview-and-evo-event-r1988/

[vagrant plume]

Thanks :)

[fallow niche]

[wild kraken]

ark 2 hyypeeeeeeee

[stray elm]

We've seen no gameplay.

[tropic crag]

🤮

[wild kraken]

family...

[stray elm]

Family ain't going to cut it for me to pay 20-60$

[fallow niche]

https://tenor.com/view/ark-ark-survival-evolved-hype-meter-ark2-gif-25941221

[high cloud]

Fr

[stray elm]

While everything on the steam-page sounds nice. I'm keeping my expectations to the lowest until I see official gameplay.
No need for this to turn out as a Cyberpunk release again.

[high cloud]

Idk how I feel about the 3rd person thing to

[stray elm]

I can take it, or leave it.
Just wished they at least allowed the option to be in first-person outside of combat.

[wild kraken]

don toretto pvp

[stray elm]

What?

[silver grove]

What in the world did he do for no one to like him 💀

Genuine question.

[mortal kestrel]

because the guys videos are quite literally full of shit

[silver grove]

I only ever watch the ones related to Ark 2 so that's probably true. I only care about Ark 2 news 💀

[mortal kestrel]

every time a new dlc comes out, all his videos can be summed up with "hey this workshop item is cool, and could possibly in [next dlc here]" and then he titles it as having "new information about [new thing here]"

so basically he unreliable as fuck, dont trust anything he says

if you want information I recommend watching raasclark instead

[silver grove]

Yeah but a lot of creators do that exact same thing, they will all claim they have news about Ark 2 and then proceed to show a picture of a trike that we already know will be there. So I'm used to see this kind of bullshit but I will admit it's fucking annoying 💀

I also watch Raasclark already

Except I actually enjoy his regular videos

[mortal kestrel]

its different because sir loaded mcgee is actually straight up misleading

which is why no one in this discord likes him

[silver grove]

Raasclark is better because aside from Ark 2 news his regular videos are pretty entertaining

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, he is pretty informative and seems to actually care about his community

[silver grove]

But now I know why, thank you. Imma have to remove my subscription because I just don't wanna waste my time on bullshit 😂

[mortal kestrel]

hell, I even speak with raas on this discord here on a semi regular basis

[silver grove]

The top 10 community voted videos are cool

[clever vortex]

Basically while other youtubers will wait until there is actual official news from Wildcard before uploading a video about ARK 2 news, he just churns out new "news" videos frequently, no matter how inaccurate or unreliable the information is.

[silver grove]

I did notice that the past few ark news videos basically had the exact same information

With only a slight variation that could be outright false

[ripe cedar]

Ehh i feel like most news youtubers do this only because the amount of news from wildcard is extremely low but not nearly to the extent that he does it,

[clever vortex]

Yeah, he'll get the smallest shred of information and stretch it over 5 videos, giving each one a clickbait thumbnail with a picture of some random ARK 1 mod.

[silver grove]

Sounds about right😭

[clever vortex]

Most of them seem to give some actual official info, then add a little bit of speculation as to what it might mean, whereas he acts like the speculation itself is official info lmao

[silver grove]

Yeah to be fair, everyone else says that the next part is speculation or makes it very obvious that it is

[tropic crag]

[silver grove]

While he seems to make the entire video a speculation, which is completely fine. I love to hear people's perspective but not when you present your opinion as the truth.

[ripe cedar]

My biggest problem is that every loaded crysis video seems to be the exact same until new major info is given he will talk about whatever is in the title for a few minutes and then go over basic info he has talked about many times before in like every video

[silver grove]

I just can't wait for November 5th where we could see some actual Ark 2 news.

[ripe cedar]

I mean I remember saying the same thing last year, but definitely seems more likely this year

[silver grove]

I don't care if they don't give an official release date during the stream. I just really wanna see some teasers at new dinosaurs, returning dinosaurs or even some concepts

[clever vortex]

Yeah, a lot of the ideas in those videos are interesting, it's just that the speculation shouldn't be treated as fact.

[silver grove]

Exactly

[clever vortex]

Yeah, so far the dinosaur designs for ARK 2 look really good, so I can't wait to see more of them.

[silver grove]

I love the saddle designs most so far. To me most of the saddles either looked basic or ugly but now with that Trex armor saddle, I'm very excited to see what that would look like on something like a spino

[stray elm]

He also has the shittiest clickbait thumbnails.

[silver grove]

💀 "Breaking news, Ark 2 will have a Fortnite DLC! (My thoughts)"

[stray elm]

I would unironically believe you if you told me that's a LoadedCrysis thumbnail.

[silver grove]

I wouldn't put it past someone to make a video like that

[stray elm]

I wouldn't put it past LoadedShit

I mean Crysis

Same difference

[silver grove]

Same person

[ocean tendon]

imagine a battlepass for ark

[tropic crag]

No

[lime forge]

I’d do battle pass if it was all cosmetic based and guaranteed stable servers and enforcement

[elfin pumice]

there's no need for a battle pass

[untold totem]

No need for a battle pass and MTX even if it's "for cosmetiic"

I am fine with DLCs because you can get those items whenever you want without worrying about FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out)

FOMO is what the scummy game publishers wants you turned into a overspending "whale" that turns games into gambling

There is a reason why Conan never regained loss players after that battle pass announcement

If you want better servers and enforcement

#DefundOfficial

[lime forge]

That’s counterproductive to having better server stability and enforcement for officials though

[untold totem]

That is why Official should not be exist

Just game modes like SOTF, Arena, ARKpoc, and Conquest

Let the game enforcement to Unofficials that are well responsive to tickets and bans

[stray elm]

Actually, looking at it right now. And Conan peaked in popularity once the update that had said battle-pass came out.

[untold totem]

Not really for the battle pass but for the Age of Sorcery content update

[stray elm]

Yep.
But none the less, they did regained the loss players.

[untold totem]

Plus those battle pass items can easily modded off and make it free, it is kinda pointless to have them anyways

[stray elm]

Yep, cause the system isn't over saturated with marketing.
You can get them all if you use cheats.

[untold totem]

Pretty much

[stray elm]

I personally don't care if a battle-pass is in the game or not. As long it isn't constantly in my face, and doesn't effect gameplay.

[untold totem]

Ooh they will be "in your face" like ARK mobile

Why implement it if no one can see it

[stray elm]

Conan.

You honestly barely ever see the battle-pass.

[untold totem]

Yes but you never noticed that you progressed the battle pass

[stray elm]

Ouch

Just poked myself with a Xacto blade tip

Welp, I know it's still sharp.

[untold totem]

Very

[stray elm]

Maaaan, it only drew like a single bloodcells worth of blood.
Might need to sharpen it.

[lime forge]

I don’t want other players to be in control of my gaming experience that’s a horrible model.

[silver grove]

Rainforest biome in Ark 2

[untold totem]

Yet you don't want literally the same as ARK 1

[lime forge]

No. I want better enforcement and server stability.

On official no wipe.

[untold totem]

Doubt that to happen in a long run

[lime forge]

Why?

[untold totem]

It will end up like ARK 1 where is just little to no moderation in official

Plus Unofficial moderators and backenders rarely or never play, if they do... They dont play in their own server

The MTS owner plays in a different server, not in MTS servers

[silver grove]

I just want servers to be well maintained so they don't make your pc explode when you spawn in because there's a random house full of 100000^9 dodos

[lime forge]

So you don’t think Wildcard is gonna address the most common complaint they have in Ark 1 with Ark 2?

[untold totem]

That is a hardware issue or connection issue, not server issue

[lavish rain]

Can I get a fuck no In chat?

[untold totem]

ARK 2 is not "addressing" anything about ARK 1 because official service will end eventually like all live services, only end up with Non-Dedis and Unofficials that keep ARK 1 active for a long long time

[silver grove]

Fuck no

[silver grove]

It's still an issue but regardless of that I'd like to see official servers be more appealing. I've never played on them because my friends think the grind and slow rates makes the game boring. I personally don't mind it.

[lime forge]

I’m not sure you understood. You don’t think Wildcard is gonna do anything in Ark 2 to change the top 2 complaints of the community in Ark 1?

[untold totem]

Official servers are not really appealing since consoles will now get mod access

[silver grove]

Thats also true. My friends want a mod for adding Rock Drakes 💀

[untold totem]

You don't understand what I said there

ARK 1 will not matter anymore , all focus is on ARK 2

Like any official online games, Official will end and the only servers that will keep it alive are Unofficial and Non-Dedi

[lime forge]

Good lord. I understand what you’re saying. Im not talking about Ark 1. Im talking about Ark 2. The top 2 complaints in Ark 1 are server stability and enforcement. Do you think WildCard is gonna change nothing and let Ark 2 be exactly the same as Ark 1 is?

[untold totem]

It's not "change nothing" it is more "a constant battle between the moderators and cheaters where the cheaters always win"

WC has little manpower to handle the current problem meanwhile Unofficials have high enforcement rate than Official

why bother over funding official for nothing when you can put all that money for making content, quality control, and bug fixes anyways

[lime forge]

Because people want official, and they want official servers and enforcement that’s at least on par with other studios hosting online games.

[untold totem]

That is gonna be a rare few once consoles gained access to mods

[lime forge]

It’s not gonna be any different than steam having mods. People still want official even with access to mods.

[untold totem]

But again, it's a rare few

There is a poll that used battlemetrics where the most popular official offering are Beginners and ARKpoc

Normal Official are just less of that

[lime forge]

It’s not that it’s a rare few. It’s that the current officials are old and over hosted. To many servers have megatribes controlling them limiting peoples progress.

[untold totem]

And that is why it is a rare few and Official shouldn't be Official anymore in ARK 2

[lime forge]

Strong disagree.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, that's a fuck no from me dawg. There's no way in hell that official is going to see the moderation that everyone wants unless it's a small ass cluster of servers (where the players will complain 24/7 about wanting more servers) or those servers are locked behind a subscription service where you get to access them and it funds the enforcement team. No way around it other than those two options, sorry to tell ya.

[lime forge]

I’ll pay a sub happily

[untold totem]

That is just you tbh

[tropic crag]

I'd rather they just get rid of official and have all the funds go towards the betterment of the game, we really don't need official servers lmao

[untold totem]

That is no different than just play Unofficial at that point

[lime forge]

I would pay a sub for Ark 1 if it offered enforcement and stability

[tropic crag]

But you are still in the minority there, even

[untold totem]

Again, that what unofficials do lmao

[lime forge]

Until some pissed of 12 year old takes a red rifle to your base because he wants to build there

[tropic crag]

Make your own cluster

[lime forge]

You got any numbers to prove this?

[tropic crag]

Boom problem solved

[tropic crag]

Ask around, I have

[lime forge]

Mmhm

[untold totem]

Then your are in a less known unofficial run by friends only those servers will not last

I am talking about actual organized unofficial like MTS and ARKitects and the Spanish servers ARKeanos and ARKadia

[tropic crag]

Out of my 300 or so players, about 5% were ok with a subscription service for official in exchange for enforcement

Not a great outlook for that route so far 😅

[elfin pumice]

What is all this discussion about?

[tropic crag]

And honestly, paying for servers yourself is already like a subscription service where you get your own server enforcement however you like it, I don't see the problem there

[tropic crag]

Getting rid of official for the betterment of the franchise

[lime forge]

You have 300 players?

[tropic crag]

Yeah

[elfin pumice]

Why would you get rid of official?

[lime forge]

What’s your cluster I’ll check it out

[untold totem]

Most big ARK PVP players left official to make their own server/cluster

That proves that Official isn't needed

[tropic crag]

I don't tell people in the Ark discord my server info, sorry

Just a personal rule

[lime forge]

Can you tell me in shifters

Or dms?

[tropic crag]

Perhaps, I still don't really know you all too well lol

[elfin pumice]

What about mod abuse or server shutting down cause theres no money

[lime forge]

So you’ve personally vetted 300+ players to fill your cluster?

Ok

[tropic crag]

We're all pretty tight knit friends, yeah

I don't get cheaters or hackers because of the way I run things, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it

[untold totem]

If the biggest and well known ARK pvp players made their own unofficial server, you know that Official is no longer needed

[tropic crag]

There's always more servers out there, and as stated, you could make your own

[untold totem]

Official will shut down regardless

[elfin pumice]

I dont have to pay extra money for my own server after purchasing the game to ensure i wont loose all progress

[tropic crag]

Ark 1's official, yeah. But who knows how they plan on running 2

[tropic crag]

The wording here is confusing, but I think I understand

[untold totem]

Again, that will not matter if you stayed in official

It will get wiped eventually

Like all games that requires servers

The devs or even the game publishers have the right to shut official down

[elfin pumice]

Official servers dont get wiped in ark 1

[untold totem]

It will

[elfin pumice]

How u know

[tropic crag]

I honestly think that everyone just needs to try out unofficials for a day or two, they aren't as bad or as 12-year-old-run as you think they are lmao

[untold totem]

They need those servers for ARK 2 official

Those machines are not cheap

[elfin pumice]

I have played unofficial for a long time

[untold totem]

Yes

[elfin pumice]

Server i play is shutting down in a month

[tropic crag]

6 years, so yes, a long time lol

[untold totem]

And... It will happen in official

[elfin pumice]

I*

[tropic crag]

The official servers I played on were shut down, look up legacy Ark servers, see how many they deleted

[elfin pumice]

How do u know

[tropic crag]

Just look at legacy dude

[untold totem]

Most people realized that running a server for yourself is not cheap and a pain to maintain

[tropic crag]

They already have wiped official once lol

[elfin pumice]

Legacy servers are old af and u can transfer ur stuff from there to regular officials

[tropic crag]

No you can't lmao

Whoever told you that is a bold faced liar

[elfin pumice]

Who realized that?

[elfin pumice]

My bad

[untold totem]

People actually set up their own server boxes instead of paying Nitrado or GPortal

[tropic crag]

I'd probably have stuck to official if you could transfer from legacy, but that was the whole point was to wipe so that the duped stuff would be gone for good

[untold totem]

and yet they still duping

[tropic crag]

And cheating

[elfin pumice]

So this right here means that ark 2 wont have official servers?

[lime forge]

Ark 2 is more than likely gonna have official.

[untold totem]

I am not WC and I will not confirmed this

But I hope ARK 2 won't have official

[tropic crag]

No, it means that a lot of people right now are content with unofficials because the official cluster is full of cheaters

[elfin pumice]

So u dont know for a fact, but u hope so?

[tropic crag]

Nobody know for a fact, let's get past that jfc

[elfin pumice]

Well i know for a fact that ark 2 will have souls-like combat system cause wildcard said so

[tropic crag]

Ok, and?

That has no bearing on the conversation at hand

[elfin pumice]

.

[tropic crag]

[elfin pumice]

Someone cant just tell things like there are facts just cause they hope it happens

[tropic crag]

That was in reference to whether or not officials will exist dude, and no one here has been stating it like it's a fact that Ark 2 won't have official

Are you on one bro

[elfin pumice]

.

[tropic crag]

That was about official servers in general, you are grasping so hard

Do you really think that Ark 1's official servers are going to be up 10 years from now? How about 20? 50? 100?

If you do, you are deluded

[elfin pumice]

Missunderstood some things, my bad. I dont think you shoul call me stuff though

[lime forge]

So anyways. Yeah. Would love to see a better official server in Ark 2

[elfin pumice]

Same

[untold totem]

I am doubt it gonna be

Maybe within a year yes but it will end up like ARK 1 Official

[elfin pumice]

Hope there add boosted pve servers kinda like small tribes

[untold totem]

Just like how they did to Legacy

[lime forge]

I’m more of a PvP guy myself. I like PvE and I think having hostile NPCs is gonna do a lot for y’all’s player base.

[untold totem]

No one will play that since mods are now available for consoles

Plus Unofficial server rates are adjustable

[elfin pumice]

U wont play that

[untold totem]

No need to wait for Evo or event

[untold totem]

And?

[elfin pumice]

I will

[untold totem]

And?

[elfin pumice]

Cmon dude

[untold totem]

A N D?

[elfin pumice]

I like the idea of small tribes for pve

[elfin pumice]

Nvm

[untold totem]

You are in a minority

Just like paddy here

[elfin pumice]

How u know that

[lime forge]

He doesn’t know that. Please don’t feed the troll

[untold totem]

You are the only one here who like that even though I have seen comments of consoles wishing for mods where official and official modes is not needed

[untold totem]

I dunno you trolling me at this point, it is funny

[elfin pumice]

so u assume no one wants to play official cause the console players u talked to want mods?

[tropic crag]

Console players (myself included) will definitely want to mess around with mods for a good bit, I think that's safe to say

Mods on consoles are very hard to come by, like 3 or 4 games have done it and had it be implemented in a good way

So I do think there'll be a bit of hullabaloo over that for sure

(Also, if you haven't figured it out by now, Mazzy blows things out of proportion and overexaggerates like all the time, dude)

(She also talks about Atlas a LOT)

[elfin pumice]

what is atlas?

[tropic crag]

Oh god

You've probably stirred the hive on that one

[elfin pumice]

?

[tropic crag]

It's shitty pirate Ark

To keep it simple

[elfin pumice]

first time ive heard of it

[elfin pumice]

path of titans has got mods for console and its implementation to consoles has been pretty recent

[tropic crag]

That's one of the few I was gonna mention, lmao

[elfin pumice]

but i dont know about pther console games with mods

[tropic crag]

But those aren't true mods either, to be fair

[elfin pumice]

wdym

[tropic crag]

Those are developer sponsored, you can't just make a mod for PoT and have it go up on the Xbox the next day

They're more like the community maps for Ark 1

[tropic crag]

Skyrim, Fallout 4 off the top of my head

[untold totem]

"Pirated ARK"

Has skill trees, more advanced combat than ARK, has swing mechanics, new form of armoring mechanics

Basically a prototype for ARK 2

Con: the taming sucks

Anyways yeet

[ionic meteor]

Snowrunner, its supported by mod.io the same guys who are working on implementing mods into ark 2, they did a great job with that game.

[elfin pumice]

did wildcard confirm mods for xbox and playstation or only for xbox?

[ionic meteor]

Yes both consoles

but since playstation is going to get ark 2 later that means playstation will have way less mods than xbox/pc

[elfin pumice]

why is that

[ionic meteor]

Because its not easy to implement mods on console so it'll take some time

[elfin pumice]

well they have time since ark 2 is xbox/pc exclusive at launch

[ionic meteor]

Like the pc version of snowrunner had mods before consoles and when they released mods on consoles it had very little amounts of mods till this day. Pc had way more.

[elfin pumice]

will there be crossplay between pc and console?

[ionic meteor]

I'm not sure but i think yes

[elfin pumice]

so what will happen with pc servers that have mods that console doesn't?

[ionic meteor]

You'll have to download the mods the pc server has, if one mods or more mods aren't available to download then you won't be able to play on the server.

In snowrunner when you join with a friend that has mods the game will tell you the mods he has and will download them before joining.

[elfin pumice]

that sucks

[ionic meteor]

I think xbox and pc are going to have the same mods because they are going to release at the same time. but playsation will be way behind.

[elfin pumice]

probably

but as i said, they will have some time to implement them to playstation

[ionic meteor]

Im excited for mods on day one for ark 2, although if you have a slow internet connection then you'll have to wait a lot for mods because they take a long time to download for some reason.

[blissful perch]

@elfin pumice sry, radicals seems to be wrong

The process of mod.io implementation promises crossplay mods for PC and Xbox (no word about PS)

It’s unknown how that interfaces with the steam workshop, or if the steam workshop will even BE separate, but there will be a large suite of mods for mod.io that are by default crossplay

[elfin pumice]

pc means microsoft store only or steam too?

[ionic meteor]

They haven't confirmed it but it'll likely happen they won't let the playstation players hanging.

[blissful perch]

The steam page seems to indicate steam and win 10 for PC

[blissful perch]

Sure, but idk how or when that will work

[elfin pumice]

if they're talking about crossplay then they have to implement mods to all the platforms

[ionic meteor]

The steam page says for all platforms

[elfin pumice]

idk if there will be crossplay for all platforms though

[blissful perch]

Sure, but in fairness at the moment PS isn’t a platform for ark 2

[elfin pumice]

im pretty sure it is

exclusive launch for pc and xbox

available ps later on

[blissful perch]

Everything to do with PS is assumption and speculation (beyond it being PS5 and not PS4)

[ionic meteor]

Yes even the CEO of wildcard confirmed it

[blissful perch]

Doubt. But mod.io should work for PS and Xbox either way

[ionic meteor]

Not even kidding about that look it up

[fallow niche]

Was on a video and not officially shared anywhere aside from that, so for now just speculation until we know more

[ionic meteor]

youtuber GP covered this like a while ago

[blissful perch]

Provide me with a dev released item of content to look up. I’ve read and seen them all to my knowledge lol

[elfin pumice]

is it speculation that ps4 is out or confirmed?

[blissful perch]

It’s confirmed next Gen console, which PS4 is not

[blissful perch]

Nothing against you or the YouTuber, but if it’s not an official public statement about ark 2 I’m not using it as anything more than speculation

[elfin pumice]

it being confirmed for next gen consoles doesnt exculde previous gen as far as I'm aware

[blissful perch]

Next Gen exclusive I believe was the phrase

[lime forge]

It kinda does though

[blissful perch]

I certainly hope to see old Gen consoles left out. Dear LORD that would handcuff ark 2

[lime forge]

They’re not gonna release it to old consoles and not new consoles

[ionic meteor]

Yep that'll be too much for old gen with all that unreal engine 5 stuff.

[blissful perch]

Now do I also hope they remove or severely limit officials for similar reasons? Yes

I want maximum funds and dev space to make content I can use

[lime forge]

Don’t be shellfish

[blissful perch]

I want WC to also not sustain the insane amount of not invalid criticism about bad CoC enforcement. It makes them look worse than they are

[elfin pumice]

true but with the disaster that was the ps5 launch, it wouldnt be worth it to launch it just for ps5. But if it were available for older consoles then they would probably confirm ark 2 for xbox one

so idk

[blissful perch]

Music to my ears if it never went to PS, but I’m sure someone may be sad

[elfin pumice]

why u dont want it on ps?

[blissful perch]

It costs money to deploy something to a new console and it costs more time to deploy new content to more platforms

[ionic meteor]

Yeah i don't why people keep asking if its coming out to ps4, it won't come out on xbox one lol

[blissful perch]

It’s that simple lol, nothing more than the economics of time. You can get content and updates out so much faster if it’s just PC

[ionic meteor]

Yeah PC get everything faster and easier but consoles take quite some time even mods

[blissful perch]

That’s because believe it not you use a PC to make console content and then have to test it on said consoles. And the consoles are almost always worse than PCs

[elfin pumice]

Theyre always worse than a pc that costs 2 to 3 times more than the console

[blissful perch]

If you’re a dev team making ark 2 that cost is worth paying lol, and in that case my point still stands

[elfin pumice]

not everyone owns a $1400 pc

[blissful perch]

Bro that’s how much some consoles cost (admittedly the cost of the PS5 was inflated by scalpers but still…it was easily competing with PC at that point)

[elfin pumice]

new gen consoles cost around $500

[blissful perch]

I have to chart out the long term cost of a console as well. You guys have to pay for multiplayer and new consoles every few years to stay relevant and PC has to occasionally buy new specs

I hate subscriptions for basic stuff like multiplayer but it may actually still be cost effective for some folks to do that. And ofc the PCs WC is using probably cost in the $2,000+ range is my guess

[mortal kestrel]

exactly

[elfin pumice]

ive own my ps4 for 5 years bro, wdym buy a new one every few years? Paying for online sucks though. A $500 console + $60 a year for online is still way cheaper than a good pc

[mortal kestrel]

not true

I've only paid $700 for my pc and while its not running everything on max graphics, it can run modded ark at least and certainly gets the job done

[elfin pumice]

ye and a console that price runs games way faster and doesnt just "get the job done"

[blissful perch]

If eve isn’t lying and the monitor isn’t super expensive that’s a better deal

[elfin pumice]

i thinnk we're way out of topic now

[blissful perch]

Since you’ve paid $800 for your console (assuming you got a free TV and controllers)

[ionic meteor]

Yep lol

[blissful perch]

The cost of ark 2 is on topic

Not everyone gets to whip out a best specs PC for ark 2 lol

[elfin pumice]

wdym

[blissful perch]

What’s confusing? I just said our conversation mattered because unlike WC, a company making a high specs game, not all the players can dump 1800-2500$ into PC specs

[elfin pumice]

not that ur wrong, just that english isn't my first language

are specs components or something like that?

[blissful perch]

Yes, that’s stuff like graphics cards, memory, etc

[silver grove]

My PC was like 2,900

[elfin pumice]

paid $400 for console and controllers

[nova thicket]

the newest xbox is about $650

much cheaper than a pc

im supporting console even though i play on pc windows 10

[tropic crag]

Where are you guys getting your prices? The new Xboxes are 300 (Series S) and 500 (Series X) U.S. Dollars, respectively. Nowhere near what a good, current PC costs these days (1300+)

[elfin pumice]

Exactly

[tropic crag]

And that's if you buy at retail, of course, which most PC people will tell you is a no-no for PC parts, if you even want to build the thing yourself (you then run the risk of fucking it up and wasting money by doing any number of things, not putting enough thermal paste, shorting something, etc etc.)

[lime forge]

PCs might be more expensive short term but you don’t have to replace them for new models every few years.

[tropic crag]

Look up how long it was between the old/new graphics cards coming out and the old/new consoles coming out. In comparison to price, as well, the newer graphics cards (which are one part of a PC, not the whole thing, mind you) are pretty damn expensive for a long while, whereas consoles are pretty much the same price year round.

I honestly hate when people try to say consoles come out with a new model every few years when new PC parts come out several times a year

[lime forge]

But you don’t have to buy one. There’s not games that are “3090 exclusive” it’s an optional upgrade. As opposed to consoles that inevitably run into the issue of new games not being made for the old console.

[tropic crag]

There are certainly games that are 3090 exclusive, lmao. Or there will be, at least

Once tech moves on enough that the old cards can't run it

Just like consoles

[lime forge]

I run an I7 and a 1080ti that I bought when I built my pc 5+ years ago and there’s not a single game that stresses my pc out. I run everything on max settings without issue.

[tropic crag]

i7 what? That's not very specific lol