ark-2

[mortal kestrel]

since if a player was good enough, they could probably just solo any threat with the new combat system anyways

[blissful perch]

if by "mobile" you mean diversity in movement then sure make stuff mobile

if by mobile you mean "fast", now we disagree

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, diversity in movement

[silver grove]

Fast = zoom off cliff and die

[mortal kestrel]

I dont mean make every dino run at mach 10, as that wouldnt even make sense in a lot of cases

but regardless of what dino or creature I am on, I should have more to do than just press forward and sprint

[silver grove]

I really don't think dinos or players should even have a movement speed option

[mortal kestrel]

there will likely be movement speed buffs to some extent in the skill tree

parkour is a major game focus of arkII after all

so I sincerely doubt that there wont be any movement enhancing skills

[silver grove]

It's already souls like combat, I don't wanna be trying to dodge a 2 foot jack ass with a spear running at Mach 5 target locking onto me and he's so fast I can't even find him, that's not very primitive 😂

[mortal kestrel]

I think it would be cool if there was skill that gave you a passive similar to the hover sail

so like, each time you do a parkour movement that doesnt just bring you to a full stop (mantling) you get a "stack" and for each stack you have the faster you run

so getting movement speed would be a skill based thing instead of "hehe I just run at mach 10 now fuck physics, and fuck you"

[blissful perch]

conservation of momentum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speed buffs

[silver grove]

I feel if there will be any way to buff your speed it should exclusively be during those actions. While climbing, jumping, swinging and rolling you should get a small boost to acceleration but you shouldn't be able to run faster than every player and dino in the game by default. At that point why even use the vines and shit when you run faster than everything regardless. If the swinging and climbing is so important and focused then that should be our new way of escaping. Not specing to be a formula 1 car.

[blissful perch]

parkour should serve to keep your sprint speed over obstacles, and the skill is maintaining max speed

[mortal kestrel]

I mean yeah it is

its literally a midget running at you with a spear, doesnt get much more primitive than that

just because you are running faster doesnt mean you are suddenly sitting in the space age

[mortal kestrel]

I like that idea better honestly, yeah

[blissful perch]

I like the idea that parkour can be used to create momentum...it's not a bad idea all things considered

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, thats what I was getting at

Im not talking about the skill tree just giving you flat movement buffs... that wouldnt really be a skill

[blissful perch]

skulk wall jumping in NS2 and blood stalker swinging are good examples of this...I wish enforcer "teleporting" had been that way too

[mortal kestrel]

I hope to see grappling that has mechanics similar to bloodstalker swings

[silver grove]

Slightly faster isn't the same thing as Arks current movement speed with people running at superhuman speeds. Cavemen did not outrun race cars. So there needs to be an obvious limit to this movement shit.

[blissful perch]

yes. Cap at 100% 😂

[mortal kestrel]

my point still stands

just because you are running faster than the speed of sound does not mean you are not primitive

a guy running at you with a spear is a guy running at you with a spear regardless

[silver grove]

A midget running at me with a spear is primitive sure but we can't ignore the fact he is literally OUT RUNNING A CAR

[mortal kestrel]

doesnt mean it isnt primitive, he just doesnt skip leg day obviously

unlike you sir flabby thighs mcgee

[silver grove]

What part of super human speed is primitive 😭

[blissful perch]

it's primitive, it's also bad design

[mortal kestrel]

^

[mortal kestrel]

the part where the speed isnt being artificially increased by say, tek legs

[blissful perch]

the secret + symbol is pretty magical ngl 😂

[mortal kestrel]

lmao

[silver grove]

It would still never ever happen, you shouldn't be able to out run most of the creatures in the game, that's what I'm trying to say. Primitive whatever but that's the dumbest shit ever, "here's a raptor it's only good for its high speed" then there's Bob for is literally the flash, that makes fast tames completely obsolete

[blissful perch]

well yes, that's the "bad design" part

something can be "in theme" and bad design

[silver grove]

I agree with you

I agree

[blissful perch]

for example, the tek railgun

cool idea on paper, but given the uh prevalence of meshing and cheating, the railgun was a certified bad design idea that was thematically correct but played not so well

[silver grove]

I guess it's technically in theme and primitive but bruh. It would fit it in Ark 2 less than ark 1 and it's already horrendous currently 😂

[blissful perch]

yep. Theme doesn't protect against bad design lol...

[mortal kestrel]

that last bit, the player speed making tames obsolete, is why I want creatures to be more mobile in general

Im not saying the tames need to be breaking the sound barrier, Im just saying it would be horridly inefficient to use any form of tame if they all just had ark levels of just sprinting

meanwhile you as a player can do all this fancy parkour shit and get around the map super easily

[blissful perch]

ok but you as a player may parkour over a log

but a rex just goes step

[silver grove]

Make the monkey tames be able to climb and swing at double efficiency as us perhaps?

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, but Im curious what alien tames there will be

[blissful perch]

mobility, both speed and variety, is one balancing axis

some creatures that lack mobility in either speed, variety, or both can make that up in other ways

[mortal kestrel]

since we are on an alien planet and alien fauna is confirmed as well as flora, I dont see us not being able to tame alien creatures at all

[silver grove]

Maybe have certain areas unreachable by foot and required something like a Thyla that is designed to scale it so Mach 10 isn't gonna cut it anymore

[blissful perch]

aliens I can imagine being as diverse as life on our planet is...some can be mobile, others perhaps not

[mortal kestrel]

after all, the aratai could tame the dinosaurs, which probably means they have already tamed aliens and the process is likely rather similar

[blissful perch]

how about just hard block people from adding points to movement speed, like we did with fliers

[silver grove]

That's what I said before

[blissful perch]

yea, so let's do that

[mortal kestrel]

just hard block adding points in general

[silver grove]

I really hate movement speed levels

I feel like the entire point is the dinosaurs, why have the ability to make ourselves stronger than them, then there's no point of taming anyway, obviously we need progession and crafting but there should never be a point in the game where a human is physically stronger than a Rex

[blissful perch]

looks at capped flak

[mortal kestrel]

tbh I hope arkII doesnt have weight (because honestly weight in ark sucks ass, since you can only use like 70% of it)

and instead has a system similar to minecraft or like resident evil, where the amount you can carry depends entirely on how much inventory space you have

[mortal kestrel]

because the entire point isnt even dinosaurs, and hasnt been since arks first dlc

[silver grove]

Kinda lame

[mortal kestrel]

meh

you can only do so much being hyper realistic

and obviously wildcard made the right decision with the games direction, since arks popularity has only gone up since dlc was added

[silver grove]

It doesn't need to be hyper realistic to understand that a human being cant punch a giga a single time and have it die instantly

[mortal kestrel]

I dont think thats physically possible on official servers regardless of how good your gear is

and before you start whining about unofficial

unofficial is unofficial, people have the right to make their server experience different according to how they want to play the game

[silver grove]

The point I'm making is our survivor shouldn't be able to do some of these crazy things the dinos do. Also I agree with the inventory slot idea, since when does a human regularly carry around 2000 pounds of raw meat 😂

And it makes the possibility for satchels, bag, carts, and saddle attachments possible

[mortal kestrel]

I want a trench coat with a million pockets wildcard

[blissful perch]

weight > item slot limits for many reasons

[silver grove]

Get a nice Trike that's designed to transport resources because its saddle is covered in pouches

[blissful perch]

the issue I have is that weight lies to you in ark. It's not 1000 weight, it's 750 weight...so the larger the weight, the more weight is "dead" and can't be used

[mortal kestrel]

same

[blissful perch]

the weight system itself is fantastic for balance though. Imagine the irritation at being able to carry 10000 berries because of the stack limit that has to be set low to make sure people don't farm too much metal

we just need a UI marker to tell us when encumbrance starts, and it shouldn't really start until 100%, at which point you get say 10% "overweight" before you're motionless

[mortal kestrel]

I'd rather weight be done similar to conan, where if you are encumbered you dont ever really become motionless, but you do get significantly slowed down and cant jump or climb

[blissful perch]

There needs to be a cap or people will be able to carry anything

But the slow scaling encumbrance in ark 1 where your speed slowly drops but you can jump is pure pain

[mortal kestrel]

yeah but it wouldnt really be practical to carry everything in a game balanced around the player being extremely mobile, so I dont think it would be that much of a balance issue honestly

it will be significantly more dangerous to be encumbered in arkII with dino ai being smarter too so there's that

[blissful perch]

I’m imagining scenarios where someone can sneak out of a base with the contents of every vault

[mortal kestrel]

so maybe being encumbered makes it much more likely even smaller dinos would want to attack you

[blissful perch]

Which I guess with tek legs is already possible lmao

[mortal kestrel]

yes

[mortal kestrel]

but they are encumbered and moving at two inches a second

[blissful perch]

You don’t need to move fast if you only need to move once

[mortal kestrel]

if you get sleighted by that then you deserve what was coming honestly

[silver grove]

Doesn't matter if you're barely moving when the whole tribe is offline and can carry their whole damn base with you😂

[solar turtle]

what

[blissful perch]

I think motionless should be a final stage to encumbrance that reminds the player “put something away”. Otherwise you’re rewarding whatever psychos can get away with being slow lol

[mortal kestrel]

though really if someone went in and yoinked all your shit, then they've already beaten you like a red headed step child, or you are just super inattentive and them not being able to move wont save you anyway

[mortal kestrel]

I mean if the whole tribe is offline

all your shit is gone regardless of encumberance

so again, you deserve what was coming to you

[solar turtle]

what happened now

[silver grove]

Again, how is it your fault if they do it while you're offline

[mortal kestrel]

nothing, just talk

[silver grove]

And that doesn't change the fact you can carry whatever the hell you want

[mortal kestrel]

because you left your base exposed

[silver grove]

So now everyone has to build in a cave or else it's your fault if you die

Seems pretty miserable

[mortal kestrel]

and if you are offline, even if they have to make multiple trips, your stuff is gone regardless and the mechanic isnt saving your stuff anyway

its just an inconvenience that serves no purpose when you really look at it

[silver grove]

Even outside of raiding. You shouldn't be able to carry enough metal to build new York city in your fuckin pocket 😭

[blissful perch]

But it does serve a purpose, it caps what you can carry

[mortal kestrel]

doesnt everyone literally build in a cave in pvp anyway?

[mortal kestrel]

and thats just a needless annoyance

if your whole tribe is offline, that carry cap aint stopping them from taking all your stuff

if you got your ass handed to you in a raid, then that cap aint stopping them from taking your shit either

[silver grove]

Not everyone would want to, and what if all caves are occupied, then you have choice

[mortal kestrel]

either way you've done got got

[blissful perch]

Bruh how is a cap a needless annoyance lol, it’s a cap

It’s like me making a vault and saying “bro not having infinite slots is a needless annoyance”

[silver grove]

Also another thing, fuck off with the turrets, I mean what is primitive about a skyscraper covered in mini guns 💀

[mortal kestrel]

oh hey I just gone done farming a ton of metal

time to play hot potato with it to get it to my forge because I cant just carry it there

because "mechanics"

[blissful perch]

I’d prefer an S+ transfer tool style system to furnaces and production buildings

[silver grove]

So you want everyone to be able to carry enough metal to build a revamped great wall of China in one run? Where's the grind? Wheres the risk? The draw back? The fun?

[blissful perch]

It eases the weight burden in your base but not in the environment

[mortal kestrel]

same, and all the same raid arguments I've made before apply to that system as well for those who are against it

[silver grove]

Make a wooden sleigh designed transport that shit, fuck it a wooden seige machine designed to transport the spoils of a raid back home but not have a monopoly of Metal in your back pocket for safe keeping

[mortal kestrel]

you built like a monopoly of metal

[silver grove]

Pov I'm wearing tek armor

Mf just called me Iron man 😭

[lime forge]

Shoulder pet that will transfer items from one inventory to another

[untold ingot]

Imo the amount that can be carried needs a hard nerf lol

[silver grove]

On God

[prisma pike]

Why?

[mortal kestrel]

to be fair, final statements like that really shouldnt be said until we get more information on the game

modular crafting is going to be a thing after all, which very likely means we have much more we will need to farm in order to make optimal tools and whatnot for what we are wanting to accomplish

though hopefully with the parkour systems coming, farming wont feel so single minded and tedious

[inner dagger]

I hope wildcard fix all shit happened in ark 1 😂 even the sport

[prisma pike]

Get to resource and collect will always be tedious and boring, doesn't matter how it's done. Might be less boring at first with new systems but when you're used to it you'll feel the same.

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, but at least it will be less monotonous with the new movement options, and will probably be faster too

[prisma pike]

Faster than a skiff?

Doubt

[silver grove]

Not the movement shit again 💀😭

It's really divided into two groups, people who like zoom zoom and get stuff done in one run spending only a day on the project. And people like me that enjoy how long it takes to make things in the game because to me it's far more rewarding and satisfying. To me finishing a large base in 20 minutes is kinda boring. I like to take in all stages of the game and watch my base evolve over a long period of time. Either way we can ALL agree that the game won't tailor to everyone but atleast it will be Ark. That's all that matters at the end of the day. If its Ark, we will play it. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[prisma pike]

It doesn't take very long to do things when you get set up at all

Especially if you have an ab and gen 2

[silver grove]

I know it doesn't, that's why I don't understand the point of going faster? It already isn't bad at all. You don't need to speed it up if already isn't taking you a lifetime

[prisma pike]

People on here like to cry about having to spend more than 30 minutes doing something

Like bro it's a survival game not an rpg or fps

[silver grove]

Yeah I don't understand that, where's the fun in speeding your way to metal gear when you can enjoy the early stages, widely renowned to be the best part of the game. It's also a new game, I think the new custom gear is way cooler than anything tek related ever, lemme experiment with stuff until I find the perfect crating recipe for a solid spear lmao

[untold ingot]

Carrying things in ark1 is way too easy. So yeah I am going to say definitively that it should be a lot harder to move loads of stuff around in ark2

[atomic yew]

The metal-polymer-electronics era is the best

[prisma pike]

What do you want there to be a button prompt to balance some metal above your head while carrying it?

[untold ingot]

I want fliers to not be able to carry so much, and I want tek suits or equivalents to not be a thing

[silver grove]

On God, to me once you reach Tek and fabricated weapons, PERSONALLY. I think the long neck should be the peak of technology in Ark

[prisma pike]

In all seriousness though moving things around easily is a qol feature and not having it would be aids asf

[untold ingot]

Imo slot cap storage movement should be replaced with a weight cap

[prisma pike]

Things better be fuckin cheaper then

[untold ingot]

Yeah, so adding more automation features to bases would be good

[atomic yew]

They have to also add gold ores and make it a rare substance equivalent to element just so reaching the fabricator stage would take long time

[prisma pike]

Spending 12k metal on one rex saddle and only having 700 weight would be aids

[untold ingot]

Having electronics be more than a random metal plus pearls would be nice lol

[atomic yew]

They have to revamp the whole system

[silver grove]

I completely agree, anything more modern like fabricated weapons should be a challenge to achieve

[untold ingot]

I am hoping bps aren't a thing, so the massive farming won't be as necessary

[atomic yew]

Tek Stryder ruined it

[prisma pike]

Making a base is still expensive

[atomic yew]

They had different animals for each resource but the stryder is literally used for everything

In conculsion gen 2 ruined ark

[untold ingot]

Bases should cost probably the same. Gear should cost less. Imo

[silver grove]

Power creeping 101

[untold ingot]

And should be not as op as a capped flak 🤣

[prisma pike]

Takes millions of metal to craft enough structures to have for defense alone

[atomic yew]

And they have to up defenses tbh

Not with turrets tho maybe you could make your tames as a defense mode

[untold ingot]

Assuming they keep the same defense type

I am hoping for plants honestly

[prisma pike]

You need structures to push and replace others

[atomic yew]

Tames should have a defense mode for defending your base while your not online

[silver grove]

The most we should go for "turrets" is cannons which should never be automatic and need to be manually operated

[prisma pike]

Gates so people can't just run your shit, spam so they can't push turrets

[untold ingot]

That is one thing I hope dissapears lol

I don't like that mechanic in ark

[atomic yew]

Ye defense is gonna be a big problem since turrets most likely won’t be in the game

[prisma pike]

We call that aggressive sir

[mortal kestrel]

tbh it would be weird if they did

the crafting system is modular right? so its not like imma be incentivised to crafting this boring metal stick that has some bonus damage when I can instead slap some obsidian on this branch over here and get some bleed damage instead

[atomic yew]

I don’t mean that you can just lure the tames out the defense mode makes the animal not go to far

And can’t be lured out

[prisma pike]

Okay so even easier tame sniping

Also we have dino leashes

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I mean it seems the logical thing to assume that bps will be gone. But it's too soon to tell

[atomic yew]

Snipers will most likely not be in ark two

[prisma pike]

This guy

[silver grove]

It's very true, in terms of primitive there aren't many replacements for turrets, maybe pungi sticks or other traps? I have no idea

[atomic yew]

It’s fully primitive

[untold ingot]

I actually agree that snipers will probably not be a thing on drop

[prisma pike]

Anime PFP people have a collective IQ of 1

[atomic yew]

Longneck as @silver grove might be the highest advancement in ark 2

[untold ingot]

Long necks might not even be a thing

[atomic yew]

💀tf you on my guy

[prisma pike]

"tame sniping" is a term for shooting someone's tame until it dies

[mortal kestrel]

chances are bps would probably be replaced by something similar to weapon mods in horizon zero dawn, where you can up the stats of an already crafted weapon instead of crafting a predetermined metal stick

[atomic yew]

Guns might not even be in ark 2

[untold ingot]

That's the thing. Shooting things might not be a thing that works

[mortal kestrel]

probably shouldnt exist for armor though

[untold ingot]

I am betting that will be the direction they take

[prisma pike]

Bows?

[mortal kestrel]

ever heard of bows?

[prisma pike]

Why are some people allowed to talk

[atomic yew]

Bows take a really long time

And most likely the highest tier of arrows is stone arrow

[mortal kestrel]

bruh this is arkII with completely different systems

[untold ingot]

There really is no telling what the meta for raiding will be lol.

[silver grove]

I hope there are long necks but I mean I'm honestly completely fine with custom bows and crossbows, maybe instead of better weapons we make better projectiles???? Wood - stone - copper - gold - metal - crystal - obsidian Arrows and Bolts??

[atomic yew]

We know that it’s fully primitive so no op shi is in the game

[untold ingot]

There will be op stuff even in primative lol

[prisma pike]

Actual fucking money brain

[mortal kestrel]

chances are if bows do exist, they'll dominate the meta

or at the very least be hard to balance

[atomic yew]

They gotta add emeralds andesite etc

[prisma pike]

I bet he's the kinda person to go "Tek is op it ruined the game" and only plays PvE

[atomic yew]

The first bow probably will be in the game idk about crossbow and compound is def not in the game

[mortal kestrel]

lol

[untold ingot]

I am betting they'll be most effective for offline raids, because I think more close ranged options will take the meta

[atomic yew]

Tek stryder ruined the game

[mortal kestrel]

primitive crossbows exist

[atomic yew]

You can’t tell me that stryder didn’t ruin the game

[untold ingot]

I say that, and 80% of my time is pvp official lol

[mortal kestrel]

cant kill someone with a bow if you cant get to them is all Im saying

[atomic yew]

You don’t even need other tames you need just one stryder

[atomic yew]

I haven’t played pve servers once

[silver grove]

Very true but I mean honestly we don't need better weapons, just make more high end resources and ores to be the new progression for damage. With the ability to customize your bow or crossbow to either deal more damage, or simply pierce the skin to apply an increased torpor shot

[mortal kestrel]

this is doubly true if you can shoot arrows that cause status ailments

maybe dipping them in poison, or using fragmented bones to cause bleed, etc

[untold ingot]

I am really hoping knocking things out isn't as op lol

[atomic yew]

Maybe they add like a upgrade progression of each weapons and it causes to go up in rarity instead of bps

[untold ingot]

It should be harder to do, and be more expensive

[prisma pike]

Yes I can, all it did was make it easier to farm, making it easier to get set up as smaller tribes and less tedious to collect resources.

[atomic yew]

It made 20+ tames useless

[prisma pike]

Yeah well that's where you belong lmao

[silver grove]

Dip some arrows in leech blood, maybe it does high damage over time or even causes a disease that slows and disorients, maybe even weakens the enemy

[untold ingot]

Stryders didn't ruin the game. It only gave a marginal boost to what was already in the game

[untold ingot]

Let's not make it personal

[atomic yew]

The amount of materials it collects is outrageous

[prisma pike]

Literally only replaced farming dinos, mainly magma and anky, that's about all.

[atomic yew]

You could reach tek stage in a day with a Strdyer

[mortal kestrel]

tbh I'd like it if weapon progression was based off how much you used it

so like, say weapons get xp of some sort, so the longer you stick with that weapon the stronger it gets over time and possibly lets you upgrade differents part of it in exchange for the xp gathered

[atomic yew]

It gathers 100x more than a magmasaur

[untold ingot]

I did that without stryders

[prisma pike]

You main slightly more and just does it faster without a need for breaks?

[mortal kestrel]

same

[atomic yew]

What did you use

[untold ingot]

Experience

[atomic yew]

It gathers hella ton of pearls as well

[mortal kestrel]

pump shotty all the way

[prisma pike]

Imagine farming pearls lmao

[mortal kestrel]

^

[untold ingot]

Gen1 broke the farming meta more than stryders did

[silver grove]

What kind of Dinos Y'all want to make a return or maybe ideas for a new addition?

[atomic yew]

I haven’t played gen 1 at all

[untold ingot]

Well, iguanadon need to return

[atomic yew]

I have only played abberation fjordur gen 2 lost island

[prisma pike]

What a bob jesus

[untold ingot]

Farming alpha hunt missions and then buying slot caps of electronics every day or so was a huge thing lol

[atomic yew]

I only have 300 hours of playtime I started back in July

[silver grove]

I've played all the story maps and most dlcs besides the last 2 or 3

[mortal kestrel]

I want rockdrakes to come back

but be more updated to arkIIs standards

maybe an alien creature that has a similar moveset and niche to the rockdrake as a gliding high speed stealth scouting/assassinating creature?

[prisma pike]

You mean just running don't fear the reaper king on gamma and killing the minions on the way there?

[atomic yew]

Abberation is a pain to be in

[untold ingot]

I want rockdrakes to be smaller and not clunky

[mortal kestrel]

yesss, smaller

[prisma pike]

Skill issue? Just use a stalker or mana

[silver grove]

All my friends want rock drakes, im personally not a huge fan but I think it could come back eventually

[atomic yew]

I’m talking about meshes

[prisma pike]

Why do PvE mf's love drakes

[mortal kestrel]

and faster too, because they obviously arent fast enough despite being like the top 5 fastest ark creatures

[mortal kestrel]

drakes are love

drakes are life

[atomic yew]

It shouldn’t came back

Wyverns has to come back forsho

[mortal kestrel]

ew no

[silver grove]

I actually don't play pvp much at all but the only fliers I like is the Argent and Griffin.

[mortal kestrel]

not without some big changes

[prisma pike]

Their only use is against tos lol

[atomic yew]

I haven’t experienced any sort of pve servers

[untold ingot]

People who like rockdrakes usually like them because of nostalgia from aberration. As long as the environment and dinos match well enough, I think most people won't really care

[mortal kestrel]

rockdrakes are just very satsifying to glide around on

[untold ingot]

I hope not

[mortal kestrel]

I adore dashing towards walls and swooping on my drake

[atomic yew]

I just want the lighting back

[untold ingot]

Wyverns were over done, and over used

[prisma pike]

Stalkers are better and can actually kill people and drop structures

[silver grove]

I like pve but that's only because my friends don't like pvp, I wouldn't be against playing it in ark 2 tho. I was great at elden ring pvp why not try it in Ark Souls

[untold ingot]

They weren't on the genesis ship either, so I don't expect we will see them

[atomic yew]

They have to nerf and buff creatures in ark tbh

Shadowmanes need a big nerf

[untold ingot]

Everything else just needs a buff to get to shadowmane level imo

Except fliers. They just need a huge nerf

[atomic yew]

The grabbing ability needs to get nerfed

[prisma pike]

Or just remove shadows

[atomic yew]

Ye that’s a option

[silver grove]

I'd like more bird like fliers, Argent is still my favorite

[atomic yew]

Desmoudus needs a slight nerf in agility

[untold ingot]

Weight more than anything. It needs a heavy reduction

[mortal kestrel]

wyverns need two changes to fit in arkII

first being a breath rework, so they only fire either a single shot or maybe volleys of shots, but no constantly ticking beams or flames... otherwise there's no counter play because dodging is irrelevant

second they need to be smaller and more fragile, and especially exposed at the wings... wyverns need to either be glass cannons or not exist at all

[atomic yew]

It’s way to agile

[atomic yew]

All flyers should have pternadon type weight stats

[silver grove]

Wyverns are almost guaranteed not to make it into the game

[prisma pike]

Or just not in the game considering the information I've read they would be best off removed

[untold ingot]

Desmodus? The most agile flier in ark except for Astros?

[atomic yew]

I haven’t used astros

[mortal kestrel]

I doubt it, like rockdrakes they are just too popular to not make a comeback in some form

[prisma pike]

More like asstros

[untold ingot]

Honestly, I would love to see all fliers in ark2 be as agile as the desmodus, but with significantly less weight capacity

[mortal kestrel]

I'd love to see some alien wyvern type creatures

[atomic yew]

Weapon saddle should def not be in the game

[atomic yew]

Yea

[silver grove]

They probably will when there is inevitably a futuristic dlc but not any where near the launch of the game.

[untold ingot]

What do you mean by this?

[atomic yew]

Tek saddles for example

[mortal kestrel]

probably tek saddles

[prisma pike]

Yeah I'm sure they're not. Do you know what devs you're talking about?

[silver grove]

I'm going to ban the word Tek bruh 💀

[untold ingot]

Tek saddles won't be a thing. But a catapult bronto saddle would be epic

[atomic yew]

And transferring stuff through servers shouldn’t exist

[mortal kestrel]

wildcard is wildcard

aint no telling what they'll do sometimes

[atomic yew]

Character is fine but not items

[prisma pike]

Nothing useful usually

[mortal kestrel]

just like there aint no telling when wildcard will actually release something

[untold ingot]

I disagree lol. Transferring chars and items is vital for the longevity of the game

[atomic yew]

Caves need to be 10x harder than before

[atomic yew]

Characters are fine items and tame idk about that

[prisma pike]

Yeah you play PvE

[atomic yew]

I don’t dawg

[prisma pike]

Cap

[mortal kestrel]

caves shouldnt exist outside of building purposes tbh

[atomic yew]

Ong

[prisma pike]

Fr

[silver grove]

True, baryonx solos caves to be fair

[mortal kestrel]

I want events that encourage large scale map-wide clashes

would be epic as fuck

[atomic yew]

Megatheriums go crazy

[untold ingot]

The overall balance of dinos/speed of mobility of an army or fob needs a huge nerf, but transferring has to be a thing

[silver grove]

Also true

[atomic yew]

They have to add a pvx type system

[prisma pike]

The more you speak the more PvE you are

[silver grove]

That one Swamp cave on the island

Megatherium destroys

[atomic yew]

Am not pve deadass

[prisma pike]

You don't gotta lie to kick it

[atomic yew]

Why tf would I lie

[untold ingot]

That basically means megas being a thing lol. Those things do happen already in ark, but only for megas

[mortal kestrel]

I think dino mobility should be buffed honestly

or at the very least, diverisified across the board to match the increase in the players capability for movement

[mortal kestrel]

they will be a thing anyway honestly

[silver grove]

What's wrong with a Megatherium, they are good...? Maybe not against a metal wall or a human but for most other things it's pretty good

[atomic yew]

Defense is the biggest issue since it’s primitive

[untold ingot]

Sure, individual Dino mobility should be buffed, army mobility should be nerfed

[prisma pike]

You don't need to be in a mega to have 20 people in ur tribe fighting

[untold ingot]

Most people would call 20 people a mega

[prisma pike]

Those people are wrong

[silver grove]

Thylacoleo best tame.

[mortal kestrel]

it will be by default unless they add cryopods back

[untold ingot]

Semantics

[atomic yew]

Stegos will probably be back

Since it’s everyons fav soacker

[untold ingot]

It's only everyone's favorite when it is the meta

[silver grove]

Primitive cryopods, I present...! THE NET

[mortal kestrel]

trying to lead a dino army across the map when you can climb freely and parkour when they cant will feel terrible regardless of how fast they move and whatnot

[untold ingot]

I honestly can't wait for that lol

[atomic yew]

They have to add space travels tbh

[untold ingot]

Actually feeling some value for travel would be epic

[atomic yew]

And it’s been confirmed cryos are not comin back

[prisma pike]

My favorite soaker is a 1k hp bbm running in with 1400 dura flak with beer

[tropic crag]

*Mostly primitive

[mortal kestrel]

^

[atomic yew]

Same shi

[mortal kestrel]

not really

[untold ingot]

Has it? I haven't seen a full confirmation of that yet

[mortal kestrel]

we are on a crashed spaceship after all

[atomic yew]

Going back into the spaceship and going to diff worlds

Shi maybe even space fights between tribes

[untold ingot]

I am expecting primative similar to hdz

[mortal kestrel]

or more specifically, a crashed still functioning ring that has the ability to maintain its own ecosystem

[silver grove]

As if it's still functional 😭

[untold ingot]

Definitely not on drop

[mortal kestrel]

^

[atomic yew]

You gon fix it all from the scratch

[silver grove]

HUH?

[atomic yew]

Space fights would be really good tho

Like in Star Wars

[untold ingot]

If you want space fights there are other games for that lol

[mortal kestrel]

I doubt that will happen, we crashed with the ring

the lifeboat was sent to the moon and blown up

[silver grove]

New boss fight, BUILD death star

[untold ingot]

Ark doesn't have to do everything

[tropic crag]

Take the gatekeeping somewhere else, bud

[prisma pike]

Go play space engineers

[silver grove]

Space invaders dlc???

[atomic yew]

They gotta have disasters like a meteor or sum shi crashes down half the map and your base gets annilated

Or overpowered dinos pull up for a limited time

[prisma pike]

Well, considering that everything they've said has been some PvE ass shit. I'd say I'm just stating the obvious.

[atomic yew]

Pvp in ark 2 spears will def be meta

[untold ingot]

Ark in actual space with spaceships and everything, would actually not really fit with the game that much.

[prisma pike]

Extinction wasteland base v2

[untold ingot]

Not necessarily. It's impossible to pin a meta this early

[atomic yew]

Ye I’m just being Saracastic

[prisma pike]

Wtf was that autocorrect

[atomic yew]

Idk

[untold ingot]

I would love to see bonuses to certain weapon classes against specific Dino types

[atomic yew]

I hope bloodstackers do not come back into the game

[silver grove]

Throw a spear in both eyes, insta kill

[untold ingot]

Spears working better against larger dinos, and maces against armored ones would be cool

[atomic yew]

Armored??

[prisma pike]

Bros never seen a shell

[untold ingot]

Anky, trike, etc

[silver grove]

Ankylo,, doedic, stego?

[atomic yew]

True my fault

Fitness should be in the game to

[silver grove]

Maybe the mantis armor, scorpion shell

[atomic yew]

Like you could have a Greek god typa body and shi and have extra stats

[ocean tendon]

let us throw pikes in ark 2

[silver grove]

??

Ong

Pikes are far heavy and the center of balance wouldn't work for throwing but fuck it lmaoao

[atomic yew]

We gotta agree for one creature to not come back in ark 2

[untold ingot]

Giga? I agree to that

[silver grove]

Hmmm

[atomic yew]

They got a lot of counters

[untold ingot]

Gigas should not come back

[untold ingot]

That's not the point

[silver grove]

Why not giga?

[atomic yew]

It’s inevitable a creature like giga will probably come back

And ofc rex will be in ark 2

They are both the face of Dinos

[silver grove]

Spino should still be the largest

[untold ingot]

Rex should be the peak of damage per bite

[atomic yew]

Realistically they are the biggest but not in ark

[atomic yew]

What’s the point of gigas then

A tank?

[untold ingot]

Not having them is the point

[silver grove]

But that would be cool, if gigas and spinos swapped sizes in game

[atomic yew]

Spinos would be terrifying

[untold ingot]

Gigas offer nothing to the game imo

[atomic yew]

They throw hands

[silver grove]

Facts

[atomic yew]

Piranha better not come back hate those little mfs

[silver grove]

Honestly I hardly ever used gigas even when I had an army of them. I loved the therizeno and Megatherium

[atomic yew]

In pvp giga is a must

Not pve tho

[untold ingot]

Only because gigas exist

Get rid of them and then rexes are a must

[silver grove]

I've only been on one pvp server so I dunno what that world is like

[atomic yew]

Gigas are Meta because of their hitbox

[atomic yew]

They won’t be a must their attack hitbox is no where near a giga

[untold ingot]

Although with boosted servers with fixed wipe days, spinos are actually more meta than gigas

[ocean tendon]

the seagull mfs that steal ur lvl 380 mana

[atomic yew]

A giga Can still hit the guy even if their behind him while recs can’t

[untold ingot]

Gigas are only good because of a really dumb hit box, high base hp, and insane damage

[atomic yew]

I saw a vid of a seagull stealing 89 exceptional kibble

[atomic yew]

The hitbox is the main reason

[untold ingot]

That won't be a thing in ark2 though

[atomic yew]

Removing it might be a big balance

[atomic yew]

If gigas still exist it will probably still be

Tbh they should add more rarity’s to animal other than just alpha

Like beta gamma alpha for carno creatures

[untold ingot]

I doubt it. They are completely redoing Dino vs Dino combat too

[atomic yew]

And the alphas are actually hard to kill unlike in ark 1 alphas are a joke

[silver grove]

Maybe the giga won't and it will be replaced by the carch since again realistically it was the same size if not very slightly bigger

[untold ingot]

Why. That makes no sense lol

[atomic yew]

Because currently the alphas are a joke

[untold ingot]

All pve combat is currently a joke

[atomic yew]

Alpha creatures need to get buffed buffed

A imprinted raptor can take on a max level alpha carno

[untold ingot]

Alpha dinos make no sense imo. The pve combat just needs to be harder by a huge proportion

[silver grove]

Really? I always thought alphas were super strong but then again I've never hunted them down, they sound easy

[atomic yew]

Ye that’s why adding lower rank dinos would be a fix whilst going against a alpha would be way way harder

[atomic yew]

You can literally kill it with a rifle or a crossbow

They are straight jokes

[untold ingot]

That doesn't seem like a fix to me. It just seems like primal fear

[silver grove]

I wouldn't know, I only ever killed a level 5 alpha raptor, I just avoided alphas whenever i saw them

[atomic yew]

They have to find a way to fix tbh but buffing tf outta alphas could be a fix

[untold ingot]

I don't see that as fixing anything lol

[atomic yew]

The only time alphas are a problem is during beach era

After you pass that phase alphas ain’t shit

[silver grove]

Well that's good to know

[untold ingot]

Why do alphas need to be a thing?

[silver grove]

After like 4 years of playing 😭

[atomic yew]

Because of pve

[untold ingot]

I preferred how ext and genesis did it

[atomic yew]

And levels and items

[untold ingot]

It was much better than random weirdly high stat dinos in the wild

[atomic yew]

Having just one version of a creature is boring

[atomic yew]

But you can’t really see if that creature is really strong tho alphas have a indication

[silver grove]

I prefer alphas because they gave high level items potentially which looked fun but maybe there's a better way like new missions

[untold ingot]

Having a lot of arbitrary versions just makes it primal fear. It's fun once. Then the rng gets old fast

[atomic yew]

How tf can ptera beat a alpha rex

[untold ingot]

Genesis did missions, and honestly the loot from alphas is kind of worthless

[silver grove]

I think normal dinos and the occasion alphas works fine

[atomic yew]

I understand desmo but a bird?

[untold ingot]

It flies. Easy

[atomic yew]

Gen 2 mission loots are wild

[atomic yew]

They have really low stamina

[silver grove]

I did like the extinction missions but the whole tek thing ruined it for me

[untold ingot]

I much preferred mission type things to random alphas

[atomic yew]

What’s the point of loot drops in cave when gen 2 gives you everything for loot

[untold ingot]

And?

[atomic yew]

Wym and

They can’t sustain in air for long

[untold ingot]

If you notice there were no caves on genesis. So the devs came to the same conclusions lol

[untold ingot]

Why do they have to?

[atomic yew]

If they go on the ground the alpha rex will shread tf outta it

[untold ingot]

Any flier is intrinsically more overpowered than a land Dino excluding gigas because of the aoe

[atomic yew]

Do one gen 2 mission especially the shadowmanes you’ll be filled with ascendant items

[silver grove]

For example the ability to fly above any dino and kill it while being slightly out of its reach

[untold ingot]

Yes, I would still much rather see things like that than wild alphas

[atomic yew]

Wild alphas only give hatches picks bows and sometimes armor

They don’t really give much

[untold ingot]

They make no sense is the point

The reward is not the issue

[atomic yew]

How do they not make sense?

[silver grove]

Early game challenge I guess?

An excuse to add boss offerings maybe

[untold ingot]

Alphas do not exist in irl animal society

[atomic yew]

😭

You acting like tek walls weapons exist in irl

This game is not realistic

[untold ingot]

They serve a purpose in ark only for a terrible rng prep for boss fights

[atomic yew]

They do a great job at that

[prisma pike]

Bro I farmed an alpha ab from scratch in 5 hours last night it's not hard to find em'

[untold ingot]

No, not really. The only map they did okay at it was on fjordur

[atomic yew]

The start of fjordur was chaos

[silver grove]

But it's kinda tedious to kill like 10 of each alpha for a boss fight, there's grind and then there's dumb

[atomic yew]

Two alpha next to every spawn

[untold ingot]

Yeah I know, i have done that too. Availability of it isn't the issue I have with it.

[prisma pike]

You mean 1?

Bosses are ez af to farm

[silver grove]

I don't actually know how many it is I'm just saying

[prisma pike]

It's one

[atomic yew]

Beyla is easy work

One giga is all it takes

[prisma pike]

Who cares Abt fjordur garbage

[atomic yew]

How tf is fjordur garbage

[prisma pike]

Shit caves

[untold ingot]

From a map design standpoint, fjordur is probably the best progression design for a map since ab

[silver grove]

The island, center and rag are the only ones i like tbh 😭

[atomic yew]

Which caves you talkin about articfact or base building caves?

[prisma pike]

All of them

[atomic yew]

Abberation is straight beautiful

[atomic yew]

They aren’t shit wym

[untold ingot]

I mean, for pvp labyrinth cave on fjordur is probably the most op cave in the game lol

[prisma pike]

Bruh

[atomic yew]

Which cave is that

[untold ingot]

I was thinking more the progression of it, not the esthetic

[prisma pike]

I'm talking to bobs

[atomic yew]

@prisma pike your so fucking annoying dawg

[prisma pike]

Lab is so easy to wipe with stalkers

[silver grove]

The bat cave thing that's flat? I saw that in a video. Look desolate as fuck for easy building

[untold ingot]

If you haven't played labyrinth cave, I am thinking you are a Bob lol

[atomic yew]

I don’t memorize the names

I searched up Ik the cave

What’s that one meta base In gen 2 called

[untold ingot]

It's a labyrinth, that's why it's called that

[atomic yew]

It’s underwater

[untold ingot]

It's not meta

[silver grove]

Out in the open under a log is meta.

[atomic yew]

I don’t remember the name

[atomic yew]

Yes it is meta

[prisma pike]

The uw cube?

[untold ingot]

Either way, we are getting distracted from the channel topic. Let's bet back to ark2

[atomic yew]

True

[silver grove]

Ong, I got school in an hour, ark 2 time 😭

[atomic yew]

They have npcs in the game to

[untold ingot]

I am really hoping caves aren't viable for large bases in ark2. I am thinking of like an oxygen cap or something

[atomic yew]

Like npc tribes and Elden ring like combat

How tf will Elden ring like combat work in ark

[untold ingot]

I would assume the same basic way it works in any souls game

[silver grove]

No clue how they will handle it but I'm all for it

[atomic yew]

Dawg we have spears swords and maybe guns in the game

Elden ring combat would literally not function

[untold ingot]

In ark1...

Ark2 is not ark1 lol

[silver grove]

Sounds exactly like elden ring

Swords

Spear

[atomic yew]

We have the old old swords

[prisma pike]

There's bows in elden ring combat and they work so why wouldn't a gun

[atomic yew]

And the movement needed for Elden ring combat needs a dodge mechanic too

[prisma pike]

Just have a longish draw time for firing

[atomic yew]

Like a dash mechanic

[silver grove]

It would be fine, you could parry with a stick if you want

[atomic yew]

They should add clashes but it’s pointless in a 2v1

[untold ingot]

Just to point out. Nowhere does anything official say elden ring like combat. Just generic souls like. It will be different

[atomic yew]

Elden ring darks souls has literally the same combat mechanic

[untold ingot]

And those devs are not making the ark combat. So it'll be different

[silver grove]

Souls "Like" not a copy

[untold ingot]

I would expect similar types of things, but don't expect a copy of any souls combat style

[atomic yew]

Relative to souls combat

[prisma pike]

I swear to God if combat takes 4 hours because of people dodge canceling out of attacks with iframes

[atomic yew]

Seeing mfs clash would be so funny

[tropic crag]

It really isn't

[silver grove]

I'm sure their own rendition will be fine

[atomic yew]

Slide canceling and stuff

[silver grove]

Ark but with iframes 😭💀

[atomic yew]

They should add combos like a dodge cancel then punish with a combo

[tropic crag]

It's... crashed. Did you even watch the Gen 2 cutscene?

[untold ingot]

It would make being actually good at the game that much more important lol, rather than just getting the drop on someone

[atomic yew]

Like platform games

[atomic yew]

You can make one

[prisma pike]

I frames don't take skill positioning does

[silver grove]

Bro if they have iframes the amount of death threats that will be said after a fight is unholy 😭

[prisma pike]

Ever played monster hunter and you'll know what I mean

[atomic yew]

Istg if the combat is like platform games

[untold ingot]

Why would it be like platform games?

[tough mirage]

This game isn't gonna be the same idk if I'll wanna play it

[tropic crag]

And I'd say you're gatekeeping, even if they're saying some very dumb things. So 🤷‍♂️

[atomic yew]

Souls like= a dodge mechanic will be added

[untold ingot]

That is already confirmed

[atomic yew]

It’s a sequel dawg

[atomic yew]

WYM

[prisma pike]

How am I gatekeeping I'm just telling them what community they would fit into best

[tough mirage]

The gameplay is completely different

[atomic yew]

Ofc?

[silver grove]

Completely better perhaps?

[tough mirage]

Maybe.

[silver grove]

We'll aee

See*

[atomic yew]

Their is no way their adding a dodge mechanic

[untold ingot]

They did say that ark2 is becoming what they wanted for ark1

[untold ingot]

It's in the notes

[tough mirage]

The biggest appeal of ark one was that you could tame and ride dinosaurs

[untold ingot]

That will be in ark2

[atomic yew]

The same shi is in ark 2

[atomic yew]

Rip pvp

[tough mirage]

No way fr?

[atomic yew]

Ye Fr

[untold ingot]

The fundamental elements of ark2 are going to be the same

[tough mirage]

🤯

[untold ingot]

For the most part it seems

[silver grove]

Just with new stuff 😎

[prisma pike]

Who cares about fundamentals, games are ruined all the time with updates but they're "fundamentally the same"

[tough mirage]

I just hope it doesn't remain primitive for the entire game

[untold ingot]

I am hoping the pvp is significantly different, because right now it is just boring to go back to lol

[atomic yew]

😂😂

Tek is gone

[silver grove]

💀💀

[prisma pike]

What do you play on? Dedis? Steam?

[atomic yew]

Highest stage is beginning of fabricator

[tough mirage]

Not tek just like metal armor and basic guns

[untold ingot]

You get that is a logical fallacy right?

[silver grove]

Adios Tek, you will not be missed

[atomic yew]

Guns are uncertain but metal ye forsho

[tough mirage]

That is completely fine by me

[atomic yew]

Fuck tek

[silver grove]

Long neck should be the peak of "tek" if it even gets that far.

[untold ingot]

Tek will be around, but it probably won't be a good useful thing lol

[tough mirage]

Only tek thing I liked was cryos because of lag but I'm assuming that won't be as bad as a problem with the new game

[atomic yew]

Hoverboards

[tough mirage]

Broken tek

[silver grove]

Arkway Surfers

[tough mirage]

The halo ring thing crashed onto the planet

[prisma pike]

You realize idc right? I'm just stating what's true. Games like for honor used to be good and then the core combat update happened and ruined the game turning it into a spamfest. But it's fundamentally the same.

[untold ingot]

Lore wise tek is inherently bad, and it seems like they are actually taking the game play that direction

[atomic yew]

For honor got ruined

[prisma pike]

Yep

[atomic yew]

Tek was supposed to be added since the beginning

It wasn’t a just a random idea by wildcard

[silver grove]

For honor was cool until I had no idea wtf what was happening and I died in 3 seconds

[tough mirage]

Tek was good on extinction

[untold ingot]

I don't see what that has to do with what I said lol

[untold ingot]

Uh, actually I would say ext is the only map that explored tek being bad lol

[silver grove]

It showed its true self

[atomic yew]

Like why tf they added mechs

[tough mirage]

Nah I'm talking about gameplay

[silver grove]

Being ass

[atomic yew]

And their cheap asf

[tough mirage]

Tek being bad was because of element

[ocean tendon]

thatch>tek

[untold ingot]

...

[silver grove]

Wood > everything

[atomic yew]

If element was almost impossible to get then tek wouldn’t be as bad

[untold ingot]

Lore wise yes. Game play wise that was never actually demonstrated

[atomic yew]

But getting element is the same rate as fucking thatch

One click and you get 1k

[prisma pike]

And why is Tek bad in the first place?

[tough mirage]

I had alot of fun on this game last year

[atomic yew]

It outshines everything except in terms of walls

You can fly= inf weight

[prisma pike]

Yeah cause it's the highest tier of progression

[atomic yew]

You can see through walls

[atomic yew]

It ruins the main part of the game

[silver grove]

To me tek is bad because it's a dinosaur game, not star trek

[prisma pike]

How so?

[atomic yew]

Ye

[tough mirage]

Tek looks like something from halo

[atomic yew]

The game is about mainly dinosaurs not having halo type armor

[untold ingot]

Imo tek game play being good or bad in ark 1 is entirely irrelevant, seeing as it won't be in ark2

[atomic yew]

Ark is literally halo currently

[prisma pike]

The game is clearly about being in space on a futuristic space station too

[tough mirage]

The inspiration from halo became pretty during gen 2

[atomic yew]

Ong

[prisma pike]

The game has more than one thing going for it

[tough mirage]

Dead and not getting updates? Atleast ark is getting a second game halo got nothing

[silver grove]

That's true but really the only time we talk about that aspect is for boss fights or lore. The rest of the time is spent talking to thatch and dinosaurs

[untold ingot]

Halo got like 6 games lol

[atomic yew]

True halo dead asf

[atomic yew]

Majority where a let down

Halo 3 should have won goty

[tough mirage]

They have 8 I think

[prisma pike]

Halo infinite is the best halo

[atomic yew]

Bob

[untold ingot]

Either way, ark2 won't have tek.

[atomic yew]

You a bob in halo

[prisma pike]

Mad cause bad

[tough mirage]

Halo 1-Reach was great but after that meh

[atomic yew]

Ok?

[silver grove]

I'd say majority were good, the past 3 have been mid.

[atomic yew]

Halo 3 is easily the best

[tough mirage]

True

[silver grove]

Halo Reach takes it for me.

[atomic yew]

Goty worthy

[prisma pike]

Halo wars 2 is the best tbh

[untold ingot]

I thought all halos were pretty much the same. Just a generic shooter lol

[tough mirage]

Did it not win goty that year I thought it did

[atomic yew]

Have u even played it

[untold ingot]

Yeah

[atomic yew]

Let me check rq

[untold ingot]

It's nothing special

[tough mirage]

Nah that's cod halo is completely different, armor abilities, laser weapons, more vehicles

[silver grove]

The best choice in history

[atomic yew]

Nope it didn’t

[untold ingot]

You said it is completely different, then proceeded to state things right out of warzone lol

[atomic yew]

Cod is hella diff

It’s either really good or really trash for cod no inbetween

Vanguard was ass

[tough mirage]

Warzone has laser weapons and alien tanks?

[atomic yew]

???

[untold ingot]

They are both kind of generic, the only redeeming quality of either is a following

[tough mirage]

The weapons are pretty unique

[atomic yew]

Generic??

Yoy just don’t fw shooter games

[untold ingot]

Esthetics kind of mean nothing to me in a game really

[prisma pike]

Halo is generic AF lmao

[tough mirage]

Halo was the first big 3rd shooter game tho

[silver grove]

As a massive halo and cod fan, they are both pretty generic.

[tough mirage]

Nah bro

[atomic yew]

Cod is not generic

[untold ingot]

Yeah, and I don't have any nostalgia for it. So I am judging it on its own qualities. Which imo are lacking lol

[untold ingot]

Cod is the definition of generic lol

[tough mirage]

Maybe because of times changing and theirs been so many shooters now

[atomic yew]

The new cods have been ass lately but their not generic at all

[prisma pike]

Omg bro a shooter game with aliens vs humans and laser guns and the people have shields and are super soldiers

[untold ingot]

Yup, and they are all basically the same

[silver grove]

All shooter games have shooters that shoot. Now that's generic 😭

[atomic yew]

Ofc?

[tough mirage]

Fortnite better

[atomic yew]

Every survival game has survivals who build

[silver grove]

But they don't all have dinosaurs

[untold ingot]

They are good for when you only have 45 min to an hour to play. If you have more time, there are way more enjoyable games

[prisma pike]

Yeah but some shooters have qualities that set them apart, take lemnis gate for example.

[atomic yew]

Have y’all played ark mobile

[tough mirage]

If you took away the dinosaurs in ark its just rust pretty much

[prisma pike]

When it came out for like 40 minutes lol

[silver grove]

True

[tough mirage]

0.5 fps

[atomic yew]

True

[atomic yew]

I played for a min it’s straight pay to win

[silver grove]

Some are different but if we're being honest, nothing changes between halo and cod games besides the time period.

[tough mirage]

How so

[atomic yew]

Amber

You can buy bps that has infinite ammo

[prisma pike]

Tf are you on an iphone

[atomic yew]

And one fucking map?

[tough mirage]

Nah ark is laggy in general I'd assume on mobile it's terrible

[prisma pike]

Not rlly

[silver grove]

We about to have an argument about Ark Mobile 💀

[atomic yew]

It doesn’t Lage in mobile

[mortal kestrel]

ark mobile isnt handled by wildcard

hence there not being a role for it here

[atomic yew]

Who’s handling it then

[silver grove]

Some other company

[mortal kestrel]

^

[tough mirage]

Probably because the graphics look like fucking play dough

[silver grove]

😂

[mortal kestrel]

ark mobile is basically an entirely different game

[prisma pike]

Just like on switch lol

[atomic yew]

Dawg it’s mobile don’t expect top tier graphics

[prisma pike]

Potato graphics

[tough mirage]

I wouldn't

That's why I don't play mobile

[silver grove]

Mobile games shouldn't try to like ark, fortnite and cod. It's just no happening on that lil ass phone

[mortal kestrel]

I dont play mobile because mobile sucks

[atomic yew]

They did decent with cod

[prisma pike]

You can play any Xbox game on mobile with ur controller lol

[silver grove]

Player models look like battlefield 4

[atomic yew]

With those potato graphics?

[untold ingot]

Any steam game too lol

[atomic yew]

Bf4 goated unlike the new one

[formal hedge]

Its always fun to see channels get derailed to prove your points

[tough mirage]

Most fortnite mobile players are gone pretty sure

[silver grove]

I liked battlefield 5

[prisma pike]

No with the xboxs graphics because ur streaming the screen

[atomic yew]

I liked 1 and 4

[silver grove]

2042 was horrendous

[atomic yew]

The game still doesn’t receive any updates?

[atomic yew]

Horrendous horrendous they averaging 500 players a day

[silver grove]

Went from Ark 2 to fortnite and battlefield 2042 lmaoaoa

[atomic yew]

Tf was ea thinking

[tough mirage]

You can't even download it anymore on ios and they are still on ch2 s3 literally 9 seasons behind I think

[atomic yew]

With bf2042 cod killer looking headass

[atomic yew]

Who won the lawsuit

[tough mirage]

Apple

[silver grove]

I have clips of me playing the beta where the sky turns into a solar eclipse and blinds me

[atomic yew]

Oh shit rip fortnite mobile

[untold ingot]

That happens in betas lol

[atomic yew]

Dawg people where meshing in the full game release

[tough mirage]

Still on android tho

[atomic yew]

Ye true

[silver grove]

It still happens in the full game

[tough mirage]

Stopped updating bf2 for that garbage ass game

[mortal kestrel]

fucknut

no wait forknife

[silver grove]

I remember when I played I couldn't reload my fucking gun all game 😂

[tough mirage]

Is that game even alive

Did they even fix it

[atomic yew]

The thing is some people load faster than others they go on the jet go to enemy spawn and demolish everyone

[silver grove]

It's on life support

[atomic yew]

Like wtf

[atomic yew]

It’s averaging 50 players a day you can’t even go to a full match

I played some bf4 it’s full of servers

[silver grove]

They made a massive update to patch everything that went wrong but people still don't give a shit and abandoned the game

[tough mirage]

Bro wtf

[tough mirage]

Lmao

[atomic yew]

Bf4 and 1 are Alice

[tough mirage]

Pretty sure Mcc got more players than halo infinite

[atomic yew]

Alive

[atomic yew]

Halo infinite isn’t dead

[mortal kestrel]

guns are overrated anyway

halo infinite is a joke

[tough mirage]

It's gonna be if they don't change shit

[mortal kestrel]

honestly a new dev team needs to be put behind halo

[atomic yew]

That’s being generous

[mortal kestrel]

343 is bad

[silver grove]

343 is mid at best

[mortal kestrel]

there hasn't been a single good halo game since reach

[atomic yew]

Spittin

[silver grove]

Reach was better than halo 2 and 3

[tough mirage]

Facts

[silver grove]

Sorry not sorry

[untold ingot]

I mean, if they quit halo entirely thst would be good. At this point them and cod are just milking people's nostalgia for games they played as kids lol

[mortal kestrel]

reach is my favorite halo

[atomic yew]

Cod is actually changing

[tough mirage]

Eh all of them are good reach certainly aged better tho

[untold ingot]

Not for the better lol

[atomic yew]

It is

[silver grove]

Noble team was so fucking good

[mortal kestrel]

reach is one of the few times I've legitemately cried playing a video game

[atomic yew]

They removed pay to win system

That’s big up for a change

Zombies was decent and so was campaign for Cold War

Vanguard… was horrendous

[mortal kestrel]

zombies is all I liked from cod ngl

[untold ingot]

I don't play campaign games

[atomic yew]

Ok

[untold ingot]

They are pretty dull with 0 to no replayability

[silver grove]

Bro when Carter crashed the pelican, Emile stabbed, Kat sniped, George's sacrifice, Noble Six dying heroicly at the end. And June the only survivor 😭😭😭

[mortal kestrel]

true

[atomic yew]

Ye their a single time experience

I was trying to force myself to enjoy infinite

I couldn’t bring it to myself

[mortal kestrel]

objective: survive

[atomic yew]

It was so hyped up

Just for Microsoft to drop another sorry game of halo while ps mfs are getting goty worthy games

[silver grove]

Infinite campaign was cool but the ranked multi-player was so ass

[atomic yew]

Multiplayer was so bad

Wait for a few years Xbox will drop banger exclusives since they got activison and other big company’s y’all not ready

[silver grove]

I played ranked and Jesus christ, if you missed a single headshot you were fucked

[mortal kestrel]

I want more fancy over the top melee combat in games, with giant enemies

[atomic yew]

The ttk was so stupid

[mortal kestrel]

fuck realism, and fuck guns, both are overrated to the max and so last decade

[atomic yew]

You need to clear a whole magazine to kill one Mf

[untold ingot]

An fps game that takes more than just hand eye coordination and isn't a generic battleroyale is the only type that is any good

[prisma pike]

Mgr?

[silver grove]

Only game with a long ttk that I love is Apex

[atomic yew]

Like one bullet missed in infinite your dead

[untold ingot]

I haven't played apex long enough to be good at it

[prisma pike]

Titanfall 2?

[atomic yew]

You brought a memory into my head

[untold ingot]

Haven't played that one

[prisma pike]

How

[atomic yew]

Titans all 2 was so good still got the game

[silver grove]

Apex was fun and easy to me. After a week I went crazy

[atomic yew]

I got that game in release

[mortal kestrel]

wall running in titanfall is fun

[untold ingot]

You were asking me?

[atomic yew]

Destroying mechs where do fun

[silver grove]

Infinite Warfare best cod

[mortal kestrel]

meh

[atomic yew]

Say that shit again

[prisma pike]

Yeah how haven't you played Titanfall lol

[silver grove]

😂😂😂

[untold ingot]

Best cod is like saying best stale bread imi

[atomic yew]

Titanfall 2>apex

[silver grove]

Nah the infinite warfare campaign was fire.

[atomic yew]

Ong but the rest was literally bo3 especially multiplayer

[untold ingot]

Not having infinite budget, that would probably do it

[mortal kestrel]

mans speaking out his ass because he full of shit

[silver grove]

But the best cod is BO1

[prisma pike]

Bruh it's like $20 nowadays

[atomic yew]

Top 3

Bo2 and mw3>

[mortal kestrel]

I liked zombies in black ops 2

thats basically it for cod

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that's $20 more than I feel like spending on it

[silver grove]

The Olympus Mons was cool as fuck to see.

[atomic yew]

Bo3 had better zombies?

[mortal kestrel]

meh

[prisma pike]

This mf when ark 2 comes out and is $60

[silver grove]

I liked it cuz it had big ships

[untold ingot]

Ark2 is something I want to play. Titan fall is not

[silver grove]

It was not a standard cod game which made me like it.

[mortal kestrel]

arkII is releasing in early access

no way in hell its full priced

[prisma pike]

It's wc

[atomic yew]

Dawg it’s in gamepass

[silver grove]

I'd buy ark2 for 100 no cap.

[atomic yew]

Instantly as soon as it releases

[prisma pike]

What if they're a steam player

Or don't have gamespass

[atomic yew]

Same every dlc in ark2 I’ll play

[atomic yew]

Who tf don’t have gamepass

[silver grove]

Ark 2 gonna be the only thing I play.

[untold ingot]

Yes the company that regularly has crazy sales and releases a new free map like every year

[prisma pike]

Some people

[atomic yew]

Then they gon buy it

[mortal kestrel]

wildcard released ark in early access for $30 and the game regularly goes on sale for like $10 on steam

tf you mean "its wildcard"

[atomic yew]

Same my friends don’t play ark cuz their ass at it

[silver grove]

💀

[atomic yew]

They don’t get past beach ark

[prisma pike]

And also can't handle anything when major exploits are running rampant

[mortal kestrel]

arkII- releases

me- "take all my money"

[atomic yew]

Yeaaa

[untold ingot]

Yes, only like every other game in existence rn

[mortal kestrel]

its better by default tbh

[silver grove]

Bruh, my friends and I have been playing since like early 2018 and we loved it. We aren't the best player ever but I know most things about the game. Mainly cuz I watch hours of ark videos daily

[atomic yew]

This is inevitable but ark 2 will have big bugs at start

[mortal kestrel]

it being in ue5 alone fixes so much of arks issues

[prisma pike]

They make horribly balanced dlc creatures that are p2w af and are incompetent when it comes to checking for exploits

[silver grove]

Idc about the bugs bro I just want the Ark experience again

[mortal kestrel]

hence the game launching in early access

[atomic yew]

I play with my brother and my cousins my main friends don’t fw ark

[atomic yew]

When’s the date rq

[untold ingot]

2023

[atomic yew]

Really???

[mortal kestrel]

mfw everyone be like "ark was in early access too long"

meamwhile star citizen has been in early access for over a damn decade and has literally nothing to show for it

[prisma pike]

Yes because other games have people on PC logging into your Xbox account and insiding tribes or joining as an admin for the game

[atomic yew]

I wanted the month and day

[silver grove]

The next stream that could showcase ark stuff is on November 5th

[mortal kestrel]

we dont know

[prisma pike]

And then the devs say that they're not taking the servers down for "damage mitigation"

[atomic yew]

Have y’all played co-op ark

[silver grove]

Ew

Fuck the host barrier.

[atomic yew]

It’s so annoying

Am tryna play spilt screen you can’t do shit

[prisma pike]

Couldn't you turn it off at one point

[silver grove]

Tether is literal aids

[atomic yew]

Idk

[silver grove]

On pc yes, console can't turn it off.

Pc has a slider for tether distance which can be disabled completely. Console can't support that without It being run by another player

[tropic crag]

Highest stage hasn't even been touched on, or what they even mean by "primarily primitive". Don't be spouting things that aren't confirmed as if they are, lmao

[prisma pike]

Calm down big guy

[mortal kestrel]

"primarily primitive"

oh hey I found a tek sword

but look at the rest of this primitive shit

[prisma pike]

😂

Probably

[atomic yew]

In singleplayer your mounts will literally fly in water cuz of tether distance

[mortal kestrel]

boom, primarily primitive (albeit an extreme example)

[atomic yew]

Your spino will disappear In existence

[tropic crag]

Also can I just say, y'all talk too much, jfc. Let a guy catch up 😅

[mortal kestrel]

you dont talk enough

[tropic crag]

Truest thing said all night

[tropic crag]

Also this too

[tropic crag]

🙏 😩

Yeah, not a superiority complex at all...

[prisma pike]

Wow surprised tbh

[fallow niche]

Back to ark 2

[prisma pike]

K

What's eta for release btw I couldn't find any

[fallow niche]

Just 2023

[prisma pike]

Why'd my rip get deleted? Was just saying rip no info

Bro

[fallow niche]

Thought it was something else tbf. Keep it on topic please y'all.

[prisma pike]

Bruh I can't react tf

Honestly hope the second game isn't crossplay so that Xbox players don't have to deal with cheats on dedis

Or that we have an Xbox only smalls in the second game

[blissful perch]

Given it looks like it’s gonna be Xbox-PC because of win 10…I’m suspecting cross play

[prisma pike]

Fuck

Looks like more official for me then

[blissful perch]

It’s a good thing there’s cross play. Now Xbox can finally understand why we don’t play official PvP on PC

[prisma pike]

Steam official has about as many players as Xbox if not more though?

[blissful perch]

Not PvP

[prisma pike]

Ye they do

[blissful perch]

And ofc you’d need % base, since steam has way more players than Xbox

[prisma pike]

Just every tribe is a mega cause smaller tribes can't handle it cause cheats

[blissful perch]

The last numbers I saw were 40-45% PvP on PC and 50-55% PvP on Xbox

[tropic crag]

Steam players play modded, mostly, iirc

[prisma pike]

Doesn't steam have more players tho?

[blissful perch]

…yes? So you can’t use number of players as an argument

Since there’s also way more PvE players on pc than Xbox

[prisma pike]

Yeah tru

[blissful perch]

Luckily PS players don’t matter because ark 2 won’t launch for them

[prisma pike]

Wait what

[untold totem]

Don't forget SP since SP is technically under PVE