ark-2

[untold ingot]

I have 3k hours on official lol. I could imagine a lot of evidence

[untold totem]

What about quit official and play MTS

Both the Devs and MtS will get the money from there

MTS handle moderation while the Devs handle the real bugs and additional constant and balances

[blissful perch]

I think it’ll be very clear if ark 1 official folks drop ark 2 because of cheaters…but I suspect like in ark 1 people will play it regardless of the anarchy

[fervent osprey]

Fair enough

[blissful perch]

They only treat official players badly by not properly addressing cheaters

Those of us who play SP and unofficial have no interaction with WC in that way. In fact, we prefer they don’t spend ANY effort banning official cheaters (because it does nothing for us) and instead spent time fixing exploits and bugs

[untold totem]

With all the cheating happening on official yet that YouTuber is still playing

So what is his point again when he is still playing official despite that fact

There is a reason why Bam made his own cluster

[blissful perch]

Right, so an exploit rather than a cheat

It’s not technically cheating, but it’s an exploit that should be looked into

It’s an exploit of the rules is it not?

[fervent osprey]

There ist no rule against Chibis I think

The could Just deleted them from beginners

[untold totem]

Removing exploit SHOULD be the Dev's job

The cheaters should be handled by moderators not developers

[blissful perch]

I think the rule was level 45 was the cap for beginner

[fervent osprey]

Yeah

[fervent osprey]

Nope its 44 and yellow Drops are locked beloe 45

[blissful perch]

Ah. So the exploit then is passing 44 and getting to 49

[untold ingot]

Tbh I really dont understand the current trend of 10k hour players going to torment people on beginners servers

[blissful perch]

People like power tripping and abusing weaker players

It’s the reason smurfing exists in competitive games

[untold ingot]

Imo they should put a check, and if a person has more than like 500k hours on game they shouldnt be able to enter a beginners server. But that would create a whole host of other issues

[blissful perch]

It wouldn’t fix the problem

[fervent osprey]

Yes

[fervent osprey]

Its the only playable Thing besides unoffi

[blissful perch]

There really shouldn’t BE beginner servers. They should be “primitive” or “early game” etc servers with the low level cap that’s meant to encourage using early game tools and tames

[untold ingot]

Either way, this seems more of an ark1 topic. So it should be moved to #ark-survival-ascended or general

[blissful perch]

The beginner tag is probably misleading. It’s relevant because ark 2 may follow the same mistaken naming system

[fervent osprey]

Okay

[untold ingot]

It could be. Preferably the ark2 storymode has enough of a tutorial element to teach new people how to play the game, and beginners servers dont exist

[fervent osprey]

Hoepfully anti Cheat system will exist

And admins

[blissful perch]

Maybe. But I suspect ark 2 will again be too complex to make a good anticheat

And ofc admins would be nice, but those cost money

Money I’d WAY rather see spent on developing content and fixing bugs than be wasted on official, which I’ll likely never play

[fervent osprey]

Cant make the poor devs lose Money, they only earned half of the Money that exists in the Planet xD

True, Bugs are nasty too

[untold ingot]

An ingame report system might be enough, but with how many servers there are going to be, even that might not work

[fervent osprey]

Today a frog jumped into my raft, He wasnt even in Front of it while I was driving

[blissful perch]

They could massively contract the official server network but that tends to piss folks off

[fervent osprey]

I honestly think they Made it so stupid in purpose so they have less Work to ignore haha

[blissful perch]

I think wipes may actually help since it would make people quit official and move to unofficial lol

[untold ingot]

Well, regarding this. Nerfing fliers and cryos, and making travel more difficult would probably allow more people to build on each server, which would mean less servers need to be made

[blissful perch]

Sure, there are other game design choices that can be made to make maps functionally “larger” and support more people

[untold ingot]

Then they quit unofficial because there are usually only like 3-5 stable pvp unofficials that are decent, and the metas for each of them differ so much from official that its a huge deterrant

[blissful perch]

The market drives supply for that stuff Raq

Why host unofficial PvP when official exists? It has to be funded somehow

[untold ingot]

It might work, maybe. But I dont see it lasting very long

[blissful perch]

It would last as long as there’s demand

[untold ingot]

Technically yes. But for video games in particular demand is something generated, it doesnt just exist

[blissful perch]

I’m buying ark 2 because cheaters on official have no impact on my experience

[untold ingot]

No, we cant agree on that lol

[blissful perch]

I’ve been playing early access/indie titles since 2012. Bugs are hardly a threat

[fervent osprey]

Bugs in ARK are called Features xD

Like jumping through rafts

Trapping someone INSIDE a pillar

Meshing

[untold ingot]

There is nothing to be gained by not getting ark2 if you want to continue playing ark. Ark1 will be gone very quickly imo.

A lot of that has to do with the engine used. Ark2 is a totally different engine

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 official will disappear faster if ark 2 is a hit and slower if ark 1 retains popularity

[untold totem]

Bugs on an early access game is normal

It is called early access for a reason the game is not fully polished

[blissful perch]

I suspect it’s a sliding spectrum. Especially since PS players won’t have ark 2 initially

laughs in star citizen

A game is in early access until it’s done

If we followed the old logic from the 2000’s, ark should never have been updated again or had new content after it officially left early access

[untold totem]

ARK is not early access anymore

Only ARK 2 now

[untold ingot]

Thats how a business works lol

[blissful perch]

Yes, which is good market sense

If people keep buying a product, it doesn’t really matter how much they claim to hate it. At least not to the seller

You’re welcome to do that 👍

You have every right to exercise your consumer purchasing power

[untold ingot]

I mean, you dont have to play ark2. I am still going to

[untold totem]

Not gonna happen

You can but others dont

I will get ARK 2 as well out of spite

Like I did with ATLAS

[blissful perch]

It’s not “sense of justice”. I play with friends on private servers. How does a cheater on official impact my gameplay?

Are they scum bags?

[untold totem]

Welcome to the fucking Gaming Industry

[blissful perch]

They don’t mistreat their employees, they don’t condone any form of deception I can see…the only issue I see is they don’t police official enough

[untold totem]

I am not joining your cult thabks

[blissful perch]

It’s valid if Rube wants to try to convince people to not buy ark 2 because ark 1 official isn’t properly moderated

But he needs to know that not everyone cares or even wants ark 2 to have official moderation

Because that’s funds effectively wasted to those of us who don’t use official

[untold ingot]

Again, watching videos made by annoyed pvp players really doesnt do anything lol. They literally just make videos like that to get a following and for money. It doesnt help anyone lol

[blissful perch]

Revealing or bringing light to a problem isn’t pointless, but it’s not some magical insight for ark 1 that CoC violations and cheating are an issue

[untold totem]

Plus majority are either SP or PVE or Unofficial

His vid don't matter to the majority

This is one of those cases where

"We get it WC sucks at moderation, big whoop"

[blissful perch]

I mean there’s an argument that buying ark hints at a stable official server experience and it’s a ‘scam’ because technically the official experience is riddled with cheaters. But I don’t really ever see official mentioned anywhere on ark or ark 2’s marketing

[untold ingot]

Like 70% of the playerbase doesnt even play pvp, much less official

[untold totem]

Or Not it is marketed not having unofficial servers like some games

[split dove]

and with mod support on consoles with ark 2 i think we will see those numbers on official drop more

[untold ingot]

If everyone were to suddenly quit official pvp, the only thing that would accomplish would be more of a focus on pve

[untold ingot]

I think official pve numbers will tank on console and windows

I think there will still be a pretty big official pvp scene though

[untold totem]

On a PVE focused game like Minecraft, PVP will never go away... Just more controlled by the players rather than the devs

[untold ingot]

I mean, pvp in minecraft is more like mts arena than it is official pvp

[blissful perch]

“Official pvp” only has meaning because there are implicit rules and limits official has in common

A player driven PvP scene makes a ton of sense anyway in a sandbox game

[stray elm]

Is it just me, or are the same people who think Official PvP is all ARK has to offer are like those people who think we're the only planet in the whole universe that has life?

[untold totem]

LOL

I mean console players are since they don't have mods until ARK 2

[stray elm]

Are you forgoring something?

Hang on, let me help.

[untold totem]

Wat

[stray elm]

There

[untold totem]

You have steam ya dork

[stray elm]

I main Xbox, though.

[untold totem]

Fair enough but still I am talking about those don't have steam version

[stray elm]

I didn't have steam ARK for the longest time.

Hang on, let me put my clothes back on.

There we go

[untold ingot]

Interesting topic on this point. There is no evidence that super advanced societies dont exist elsewhere in the universe. Only that none had signaling within our timewindow of vision, which is further in the past the further away it is

[untold totem]

I mean you still have it and you know steam has more than other versions

[lavish rain]

Our evidence is that we have a ginormous universe

[untold ingot]

Steam ark is kind of like finding a fresh medium rare steak and potatoes in mcdonalds compared to other versions lol

[lavish rain]

It's mathematically impossible for there not to be life else wher

Even if it's bacteria

[stray elm]

Well, we don't even need a advanced species to count.
There is the possibility that we're the only species that has gotten this far in technology.
'But' there's no doubt at all that there's other planets with basic animal life.

[untold totem]

Well we put tardigrades on a moon now

BOOM! alien life

[untold ingot]

Hmm, its statistically unlikely. Mathematically impossible would mean there would be a rigorous mathematical proof showing their existance. Unfortunately that doesnt exist lol

[untold ingot]

I mean, if a civilization 100k lightyears away was at the level of technology to observe our noise. Kept quiet about it until they got lightspeed engines, they could be here before we even knew they existed

[stray elm]

That's true, but that wasn't my point

[untold ingot]

I mean, seeing as we have yet to observe other life, there still is room to doubt. But almost everyday new exoplanets are being found

Although exact earth twins are still nearly impossible to detect

[stray elm]

My point isn't life itself, you dummy.

I'm saying 'technology'

[untold ingot]

Technology involving radiation would be pretty easy to see, even from other galaxies. So its a safe assumption that other civilizations within our view distance dont have it

[stray elm]

It's basically statistically likely that life in general exists, cause we've discovered like 30+ goldilocks-planets with water.
My point with how young our universe still is, we could be the only 'technological' species in at least our galaxy.

[untold ingot]

Within our window of time we definitely are. But something when we look at things across our galaxy we are observing way into the past. Not the actual present of how things are there

[stray elm]

True, actually.
We may observe another Exoworld to be primitive, but by the time 'we' actually reach there, it could harbor technological-based life.

Especially if it's a planet across the galaxy.

[blissful perch]

There is an equation for probability of life in the universe and the answer is above 0

[lavish rain]

That's why I like the "we are among teh first aliens" theory

[stray elm]

First 'technological' aliens.
If we're the first aliens, that means no other planets have life.

[blissful perch]

There’s fun arguments that “life” is an arbitrary concept and we may be seeing it without noticing it

[stray elm]

To make this a ARK-2 related convo before a admin comes and ruins our fun.
The Genesis-ship could've detect that Arat was a safe-planet for humanity, but that could've been lightyears away still. And so it didn't detect any opposing threats.
But now since we're actually here, it turns out a species has evolved akin to humans, with even their own primitive technology.

[blissful perch]

Most of our current technology has no way of identifying actual organism specific readings

We can only identify atmospheric chemicals and the presence of LARGE features like planetary oceans or gas giants etc

[lavish rain]

Yes thanks for correction

[blissful perch]

So the planet four times the size of earth supposedly miles deep oceans all across its surface could be home to tons of life…or none at all. We have no idea

[stray elm]

Same thing with Europe I believe.

That's like the only body in our solar-system other then Earth that has a remote chance of having life on it.

[blissful perch]

You mean Europa?

[lavish rain]

Pretty sure Europe has life

[stray elm]

Nah, I mean 'Europe'
Place always looks dead, but now it seems like it has life

Europa is also a good candidate.

[blissful perch]

People suspect there could be life on a couple of Jupiter’s moons

And ofc there could be (now likely extinct) life on mars given we confirmed mars once had liquid water

[stray elm]

The game Barotrauma explores that concept of Europa having life on it.

[blissful perch]

Meaning we could see some very fun Arat environments

[untold ingot]

Those are the only other places in the solar system that have magnetic fields strong enough to keep an atmosphere

[stray elm]

Didn't we confirm that Mars was actually pretty Earth-like?

[blissful perch]

Yep, but it had a stinky sad core that people think is now solid

[untold ingot]

It kind of is, but it isnt big enough or in a decent enough spot to keep an atmosphere

[blissful perch]

Solid cores = no magnetic field. And that’s bad news bears for an atmosphere

Because solar wind goes brrrr

[stray elm]

Or, we nuked it and now we moved to Earth. And we're actually Martians.

[blissful perch]

Although mars actually HAS an atmosphere. It’s just stupidly thin

[untold ingot]

Its the jeans mass that is the problem for mars though, not the sun

[stray elm]

You know, maybe instead of going to Mars Elon. We could send rovers to Europa and see if it has life.

[untold ingot]

elon would send one of his telsa trucks there

We could have sent rovers there like 30 years ago. The only reason we havent is because of the worry that introducing earth toxins and bacteria to an alien environment could destroy it

[blissful perch]

Or alter it permanently so we can’t get accurate data

[untold ingot]

Yeah, its more a question of ethics than ability

[stray elm]

Sounds like a skill-issue on their part.

[blissful perch]

99.9% of germs isn’t gonna cut it when possibly contaminating alien planets

[lavish rain]

Maybey the planet has stable element 119

[stray elm]

Then 100% that shit.

[blissful perch]

100% in biology is not super easy to do lol

[lavish rain]

They have 100% in area 51

[untold ingot]

That isnt likely

[stray elm]

We need to raid Area-51.

(for legal purposes, this is a joke)

[blissful perch]

They have Trex in Area 51

And a live shadowmane

[split dove]

no wonder that base is so strong with a live shadowmane

[stray elm]

But no, I do get the ethics of it. But there's a point where ethics and advancements should step in.
You know how many things it'd debunk, and new theories if we fully confirmed alien life?

[untold ingot]

Well, the only way to really make it work would be to have an advance base already in space, with some super rigorous cleaning methods

I want to say that there is going to be a drone sent within a couple decades though

[lavish rain]

Religion gets another nail in the coffin

[stray elm]

Well, that's if we go the fully ethical way.

[lavish rain]

Let's dunk the rover in everclear

[untold ingot]

Not really, but that is a different conversation lol

[stray elm]

Though, there's also the chance that no pathogens would infect anything.
Or that we'd disturb their environment, since they've never seen a rover before and so they might think of it as a non-threatning life.

[untold ingot]

Well, when it comes to space and places where politics cant quite control, we'll probably take the ethical route lol

[lavish rain]

Or think it's just another life form

[untold ingot]

Yes, because bacteria can think

There are no civilizations on any of jupiters moons

[stray elm]

I was more thinking of 'actual' multicellular life life fishes on Europa.

[untold ingot]

Thats possible lol

[stray elm]

Damn man, we got a Sherlock Holmes here.

[untold ingot]

The ice is so thick that whales could live there

[stray elm]

What're you gonna say next, oh so great dectective?

[untold ingot]

Nah, one of my professors in college was one of the leading planetary astronomers in the us

I learned a lot of fun useless facts about planets

[stray elm]

Clearly.

[blissful perch]

*thicc

[untold ingot]

Its a topic of interest for me, like for example, if we managed to mine a single asteroid we could have more rare earth metals and rare metals than have ever been mined in the history of the earth

[lavish rain]

Everclear instead of wadder

[blissful perch]

There is a moon like that

Although I think it’s methanol not ethanol lol

[lavish rain]

Ayo there's a moon with meth on it?

[untold ingot]

And neptune is made of windex

Thats a cool fact

[lavish rain]

fuck it I'm gonna become an astronaught

[blissful perch]

Cool fact! Pluto was demoted because people weren’t ready to class other similar sized celestial bodies in our solar system as new planets

[lavish rain]

Sounds about right

[untold ingot]

I mean, how many planets do you want 8 year olds to have to memorize lol

[lavish rain]

69

[blissful perch]

Some poor bastards still memorize all the US state capitals. So that’s 50 worthless trivia bits we force on them 😂

[lavish rain]

I mean Americans are criticized for not knowing geography

[untold ingot]

Plus pluto and the other dwarf planets were formed differently than the gas giants and other planets closer to the sun

[blissful perch]

Yes, so they should learn world geography, not state capitals, many of which don’t matter

[lavish rain]

So we need children to know where Turkmenistan is

[untold ingot]

I second the motion lol. Learning actual geography involves more than map name memorization

[blissful perch]

Maybe also teach people basic things like “money isn’t infinite”

Since dear LORD that’s assumed all the time for ark 2

[lavish rain]

Wait who dosent know that

Why don't they know

[stray elm]

A lot of drug addicts don't.

[split dove]

i want them to know our whole solar system and the most important planet Rockwelluto

[untold ingot]

Basic principles of economics would be nice if they were more widespread

[blissful perch]

“Why can’t they fix every bug in ark 1, moderate every single report made instantly, and make more content simultaneously as an indie studio”

[lavish rain]

Naw then people would escape the rat race if they learned economics

[blissful perch]

You’ve confused drug addicts and gamblers again

[untold ingot]

Honestly, more games should include stuff like that. Like kids games could teach geography, economics, and logic and still be good

[stray elm]

A lot of the homeless people in my area are/where addicts.

[blissful perch]

You learned so much economics if you played the grand exchange in RuneScape

[lavish rain]

No they both apply

[blissful perch]

They know money is limited then. And they simply didn’t care. Addiction be like that

[split dove]

fun fact, Belgian waffles were renamed from Brussel waffles bc Americans couldn't point the capital of Belgium lol

[stray elm]

They could also had been addicted since a young age, before they learned that money isn't infinite.

[blissful perch]

You don’t need to be that old to know money is finite as an addict. Since that’s usually what keeps you from getting more of the drug

Gaming additions are scary because you usually don’t need much money. What IT wastes is time

[untold ingot]

Thats europe though, who cares about europe 😂

[split dove]

that big country right? /s

[untold ingot]

Im joking lol

[lavish rain]

And you learn nothing

[blissful perch]

(Speaking to above) Then you’re part of the small group of people who intelligently bail out with the bait that’s used to lure others into losing money

[blissful perch]

You also often fall into social and physical disrepair. It’s sad stuff

[stray elm]

I wonder if Europe has life on it.

[lavish rain]

That's a compliment

[lavish rain]

Especially games with gambling coughs blood apex legends

Back on topic doe

[untold ingot]

Yes, back to exoplanets

I really want to see accurate gravity in effect

[lavish rain]

Less gravity

[untold ingot]

Technically there is no such thing as less gravity, or more gravity

[lavish rain]

Well, weaker gravity pull

[untold ingot]

That could be cool

[lavish rain]

Maybey not gen1 lunar biome weak, but a weaker pull

[untold ingot]

I am thinking that since the planet is so close to the moon, the tides should affect players so that at night they cant jump, and during midday they can jump twice as high

[blissful perch]

Bruh lol absolutely not

[lavish rain]

Not sure about can't jump, but a lower jump would be fine, it would force players to use teh advanced movement

[blissful perch]

I would love to see tides and tidal forces play into aquatics and such. But don’t touch ma movement physics

[untold ingot]

As opposed to ark1 gremlins running around at mach 27 hitting a rock and bouncing 27 miles into the air

[blissful perch]

It’s consistent at least 😂

[untold ingot]

I dont know what the deal with 27 is though

[blissful perch]

You know I’ve also championed reducing movement speed lol

Since ark PvP centered around people moving faster than the PvE is something I find hilariously stupid

[split dove]

makes the pve even less off a challenge than it already is atm lol

[lavish rain]

You done fucked up

[split dove]

[inner dagger]

When ark 2 begins 🙁🙄

[past wind]

2023

[winged dome]

Ark2 begins sometime after Ark1 ends

[split dove]

some time after Vindiago ''respawned again'' and crashed on Arat

[frail fable]

No more respawns in Ark 2, the respawn pods are destroyed 😭

[split dove]

good, only one Vindiago to kill, he marked his death when he shut down his pod

[ocean tendon]

ark 2 hardcore confirmed?!?!?

[stray elm]

I believe they stated in the stream that it'll be like 4-years after Genesis-2

[jaunty nexus]

Going back on this, I believe it needs to be capped way earlier

I’d like to see a skill tree where you can’t unlock everything

So you have to focus on that said build for survival

Of course there will be some builds that are better than others but it would give players more incentive to try other builds if on PvE

Like an intelligence build for traps, an endurance build, strength, etc etc

[stray elm]

So, basically ARK-1 on release.

[jaunty nexus]

Since it has souls like melee combat it would be neat

[jaunty nexus]

I suppose

But improved on of course

I just feel you can make the “perfect” survivor as they call it in ARK because of how many skill points you get

Where if you were to limit it to where they are forced to choose a build to survive with it would provide a more entertaining experience

Currently ARK is like going on a game that allows custom character creation and turning all the stats of them to max with how you’re able to build, it just takes time to achieve it in ARK

[blissful perch]

It should be capped at 100%. Movement speed is a terrible thing for PvE survival balance

[split dove]

It just makes the already mediocre PvE even easier

[blissful perch]

That would be fine if you could do mind wipes. Although I prefer to have such “builds” come from equipment

I loathe for example being limited in what I can craft based on some arbitrary limit to my crafting recipes (looking at you engram system)

[split dove]

I just wanna be able to make skull clubs like the one from the announcement trailer

[blissful perch]

I just want to make stuff lol

Can’t do that if I’m told “umm actually you need to respec and pick your favorite blueprints”

[split dove]

True, here's to hope the component based crafting gives you a base version of something you can customize and does away with blueprint qualities

This week's crunch confirms this year's Extra life will be on November 6th (hopefully gameplay and more news)

[stray elm]

Where?

[split dove]

In the community crunch in the small description section

[ripe marsh]

literally the first sentence

[jaunty nexus]

I totally get that

You deserve to get buffs from certain pieces of equipment

It warrants actually using them

[stray elm]

Oh, I'm fucking dumb as fuck

[blissful perch]

I also want to see feather lights return

[jaunty nexus]

Me too

It doesn’t make a lot of sense unless there’s nameless though

I’m assuming it’ll feel a lot more Jurassic

Focusing on dinosaurs and the new AI

[stray elm]

I think shoulder pets need to give your character buffs. Akin to ATLAS

[jaunty nexus]

I could agree with that

Depending on the shoulder pet

[winged dome]

I think there's going to be a lot more focus on alien creatures, since y'know we're on an alien world

Sure some staple dinos will be there, but definitely a lot of room for xenofauna

[untold ingot]

I mean it does say that the planet is being overrun by the dinos, so I am betting any alien animals won't really be able to compete

[jaunty nexus]

I think that’s an awesome thing. But as Raq has pointed out, they’ll be struggling to compete

[ripe cedar]

isn't it usually on saturday though?

[blissful perch]

It’s almost always on Friday

[solar turtle]

ARK 2 gonna be fire

no doubt

[mint swan]

fax

[ocean tendon]

my pc gonna be on fire

[viscid sphinx]

ark 2 gonna set fires

[prisma pike]

Tell me you don't know how pvp works without telling me you don't know how pvp works

Movement speed is useless when you could have more hp or weight

[fresh obsidian]

Ark2 better not be as bad as this one and if they have dev support from the launch of the game should be sweet if not then ark 2 goin down the same road as ark 1

[blissful perch]

Tell me you can’t see without telling me you can’t see 😂. I wouldn’t say it if I didn’t see people running around like little gremlins every time I looked at PvP content

[blissful perch]

Same road meaning…one of the best selling indie games of all time? 😂

[prisma pike]

You watch that dedi bob shit

[blissful perch]

Idk, I thought Kishko was pretty good, and I watched a few others

[prisma pike]

So dedi bob content got it

[blissful perch]

Feel free to DM me something that isn’t “dedi Bob content”. I’ll confirm if nobody uses high movement speed

[fresh obsidian]

Nah same road meaning a great game with great ideas and great potential but just put to waste by bad decisions and no dev support also adding stupid dinos cough cough gen2 onwards

[blissful perch]

I can’t argue with your points, but business wise ark was a major success after SE came out and the DLC train started raking in $$

[mortal kestrel]

I would like some sort of like prestiege option for leveling the skill tree

so say you cant unlock the whole thing by the time you reach arkIIs equivalent of max level intially

but say through doing bosses or achievements or some other fancy you could get the capacity additional levels... so like ascending mixed with chibi stuff, but arkII

[fresh obsidian]

Oh fr they got bank and the ppl that sold shit got bank too I just hope they don’t ruin the pvp aspect of ark2 cause I acc used to be happy to go to fobs raids etc now it feels like a chore cause of all the op shit and speed hack just farming for cheaters 🤷‍♂️ but ur right wildcard made big bucks

[mortal kestrel]

really pvp in arkII should be a mere spice and not the main flavor

[fresh obsidian]

Cool idea the prestige tiers like the character u create can prestige 3 times each time gaining access to a new boss to go to the next prestige or sum

[mortal kestrel]

ark would have felt much better to play if wildcard didnt cater so hard to pvp players

[blissful perch]

Idk. A lot of PvP catering did great things for PvE balance

#manas

[mortal kestrel]

still salty that manas cant jump while encumbered anymore

[jaunty nexus]

Let’s keep topic on ark 2 though

[mortal kestrel]

I want more gliding and web slinging in arkII

[jaunty nexus]

I do like the idea of a prestige system

[blissful perch]

I’m worried on behalf of PvP players that it’ll be the same sort of anarchy in ark 2, where there isn’t really any moderation.

[mortal kestrel]

none of this "hehe breath laser go brrr" bs

really constantly ticking attacks shouldnt exist at all in arkII, it would make the dodge roll super redundant

[jaunty nexus]

Well if it’s primitive I doubt creatures like that’ll exist

[mortal kestrel]

dragons are primitive

look at early middle american culture for example, dragon references everywhere there

[jaunty nexus]

I’m sure bleed will occur but if it could be like Elden with it just chunking your HP I’d be okay with it

[fresh obsidian]

This is acc false most decisions are made for the pve community that’s why pvp is dead and has been dying for a good while

[untold totem]

alien planet intensifies

[mortal kestrel]

bleed should definitely be a thing

[jaunty nexus]

Fair

[untold totem]

Manas are chinese/asian dragons so...

[mortal kestrel]

wrong, pvp is dead and dying because aint no one wanting to pvp

[jaunty nexus]

Well I’m for them doing wyverns of some sort again, but I feel like they need to a: be harder to get and b: be locked behind a level requirement

[mortal kestrel]

hitting a wyverns wings should lame its flight in arkII

[jaunty nexus]

You see how many PvE players no longer use Delphis because the saddle level req

[mortal kestrel]

and wyvern breath needs to be limited to single shot projectile attacks like poison

[blissful perch]

Isn’t it actually that PvP is dying because cheaters are so bad and moderation is so bad that playing “legally” is pure torture?

[untold totem]

i dunno... complains from PVP players and crying about cheaters kinda proved that point... i dont see complaints for PVE players

[fresh obsidian]

No people want pvp they can’t get it cause devs don’t support it sufficiently and every player now has a 3 dollar a week cheat that they can do mad shit with but either way wildcard has always supported there pve community more than the pvp

[jaunty nexus]

You do realize balancing changes are made around PvP?

[untold totem]

lmao

[blissful perch]

“Harder to get” I fear is a meme statement in a sandbox like ark. I’d far prefer actual balancing of the tame itself to be fair and inline with other similar “apex” predators

[mortal kestrel]

tbh all full on flight capable creatures should be weak in the wings, so if they get damaged enough they cant fly anymore

[untold totem]

mana nerf, delphis nerf, mane nerf... all the nerfs

yet PVP players think WC doesnt care about PVP

[jaunty nexus]

I definitely understand your perspective on this and would like to hear more on your hopes for the game

[mortal kestrel]

agreed

hence my wing idea

[blissful perch]

Best part about the PvP community is getting well needed nerfs

[blissful perch]

Well lucky for you this chat is full of my opinions XD

[mortal kestrel]

I hope we will see less of straight flying in general

[fresh obsidian]

Remember when manas got there first nerf ngl ark was bussin back then

[mortal kestrel]

I want more gliders, more jumpers, hell even more teleporters like shadowmanes

[jaunty nexus]

To be fair I am more of a land traveler on ARK so I wouldn’t mind less ability to fly

[untold totem]

gliders are more OP than flyers

and that is my PVE complaint

[fresh obsidian]

Nah I think the teleport system from enforcers should be added to some dinos

[mortal kestrel]

I want unique and engaging movement that requires me to be actively paying attention to my creature

[fresh obsidian]

That would be cool

[blissful perch]

It’s a huge shame, but that’s our fault as players. We should be upset when creatures don’t get any use because the “best” creatures are too strong and overshadow the rest in PvE

[jaunty nexus]

#KaproTLC

[mortal kestrel]

no more of this hold sprint and forward simulator with my monitor off bullshit

[blissful perch]

Where were you all this time?? No/harshly limited flying for ark 2 is the DREAM

[jaunty nexus]

I’m the mod for general chat

Overnight is just me

So I can’t really hop in here

[blissful perch]

Omg I’m sorry for your loss

[jaunty nexus]

Hey it’s enjoyable there sometimes

[untold totem]

why "no flyers" when gliders are faster and better than flyers anyways

[jaunty nexus]

I believe gliders need nerfed in regards to their movement as well

[blissful perch]

|||| where’s my DM?? I don’t want to see dedi Bob content anymore

[jaunty nexus]

The maewing in particular is a complaint I have

It shouldn’t be as functional as it is

[blissful perch]

Maewings should deal near 0 damage 😂

[prisma pike]

I just reopened discord

[blissful perch]

Sry, I’m impatient because I want to be enlightened

[jaunty nexus]

I don’t think the damage is the issue. It’s more so they can literally outrun anything

[blissful perch]

It’s not the primary issue, but you’d need a multi stage nerf to fix em

[untold totem]

if flyers dont have that speed nerf when Gen 2 is around... i am fine with the whole "no flyers" because that makes sense

but gliders are evidently faster than flyers yet your option is just "no flyers but keep the gliders" is just a bruh moment

[jaunty nexus]

They’re a baby feeding trough, excellent for getting around the map regardless of in the water or on land and are overall too good

[blissful perch]

Although the best glider nerf BY FAR would be requiring height to glide

[jaunty nexus]

Yeah

I can agree with that

[blissful perch]

Remove drake and maewing jumps for example

[split dove]

give it the terror bird glide treatment

[mortal kestrel]

because there's a difference

[jaunty nexus]

Drakes have the ability to climb walls I’m okay with removing the jump

[mortal kestrel]

when gliding you have to actively be engaged with the creatures movement

with fliers this is not the case

[blissful perch]

You should need to be actively engaged with the creature’s height to glide

[mortal kestrel]

I agree

[blissful perch]

Use that 🧠 with your tames and your surroundings

[untold totem]

you can freely fly through ab like it's a flyer anyways so why bother with the whole "no flyers" deal?

[jaunty nexus]

Yeah if you shift the weight of the creature the wrong way you should fall too

[mortal kestrel]

I do thing creatures should have methods of boosting their height though once gliding

[jaunty nexus]

I think the skiff was dumb to be allowed on aberration

It made the map easy

[blissful perch]

I think linear gliding is probably gonna be too boring for players, so sure Eve

[mortal kestrel]

like it makes no sense that a drake cant just pounce whenever it feels like and has to just go to a wall

[jaunty nexus]

No fear of anything

[blissful perch]

Can I go so far as to say…the skiff itself was kinda dumb?

[untold totem]

"nO tEk" on Ark 2 ~Ced

[jaunty nexus]

I do agree

[jaunty nexus]

We can pray

[tropic crag]

Anything past Aberration shouldn't be allowed on it, full stop

[blissful perch]

*outside

[jaunty nexus]

Agreed

[mortal kestrel]

yeah linear gliding would be super boring

[jaunty nexus]

I dislike creature transfers to be honest

[untold totem]

Tek suit flying shouldn't be functional in Ab

[tropic crag]

What does this mean? I don't understand

[jaunty nexus]

Well they used tek suits in the lore no?

[mortal kestrel]

the skill tree should have movement perks for parkour

[blissful perch]

Everything not native to Ab should be blocked, not just after

[untold totem]

yes but pre Ab broke

[jaunty nexus]

Ah true true

[mortal kestrel]

like a perk for wall running and one for double jumping

would be so cool

[blissful perch]

Don’t be slipping in BS like a double jump into my ark 2

[mortal kestrel]

too late

[jaunty nexus]

Double jump??

[blissful perch]

Unslip it

[jaunty nexus]

We’re not super soldier we’re bobs

[tropic crag]

Well, that's what I meant, in a way. The stuff before Ab that wasn't supposed to go onto it was already taken care of so I didn't feel the need to mention it lol

[mortal kestrel]

arkII but the faster you are moving when you jump the more consecutive jumps you can do before landing

[blissful perch]

Although if I may…wtf human of any kind can pressurize the air beneath them to jump a second time

[untold totem]

i enjoy ATLAS' gliding mechanics and should be draining stam more for prolonged flight, the speed is close or slower than nerfed PT and i dont mind this at all

[jaunty nexus]

I don’t mean to brag but-

[untold totem]

but we are clones

[mortal kestrel]

all Im saying is we are on an alien planet with a skill tree

[jaunty nexus]

I don’t know if I can agree with this

[blissful perch]

Skill tree means skills, not magic 😂

[mortal kestrel]

that was satire

[blissful perch]

Don’t make paddy excited with ur crazy

[jaunty nexus]

We’re already going to be schmovin like we’re in dying light

[untold totem]

ATLAS intensifies

[mortal kestrel]

double jumping is a skill, not magic

[blissful perch]

I hope to be able to correct that to “schmovin”

[mortal kestrel]

never played it

[tropic crag]

Good, don't lol

[untold totem]

it's basically like you described... ARK with skill trees but less dinos

[jaunty nexus]

Atlas wasn’t horrible

It just wasn’t good

[mortal kestrel]

I want to be able to make a wrist mounted grapple hook

and have a skill allowing me to swoop with it at high speeds

[untold totem]

the RP server i played on made ATLAS great again to the point where the population is +200 in the cluster

[tropic crag]

Understatement of the year award goes to...

[mortal kestrel]

and yeet myself super high

[untold totem]

yep.. very ATLAS

[mortal kestrel]

I was thinking more last oasis

[jaunty nexus]

I had fun for the 13 or so minutes I had atlas installed

[mortal kestrel]

buy it for me instead so I can try it out

[untold totem]

same deal just that LO is less creatures than ATLAS... still waiting on their rework tho

[blissful perch]

I lagged out horribly, couldn’t connect anywhere, and then couldn’t find a place to build when I played an hour

[jaunty nexus]

Haha

I left the first port and gave up

It just felt redundant to play something that was basically just ark but water

[untold totem]

i enjoyed it but i never played vanilla anyways

[jaunty nexus]

Well, that’s insulting to ark

Let me rephrase that

“Off brand sea of thieves”

[blissful perch]

I thought ATLAS was worse ark and worse sea of thieves for sure

[untold totem]

join us... we have intense ship battles and animal ||and maybe "a date with navy officer"|| auctions

[blissful perch]

Would have been super freakin fun to have ark 2 mirror some of sea of thieves’ design choices, but that’s not happening 😂

[untold totem]

nope they want to be "uber realistic with RTX and all jazz"

[mortal kestrel]

||never gonna give you up||

[blissful perch]

Game design lol, not artistic style 😂

[jaunty nexus]

Hey if I can see the sweat dripping off the diesels head when he comes face to face with a raptor the games getting a 10/10

[untold totem]

ATLAS is gonna get a UE5 rework but that is all rumors

[blissful perch]

You mean the raptor’s face?

[jaunty nexus]

You’re right my mistake

[blissful perch]

VD ain’t sweating anything shy of a rex XD

[mortal kestrel]

asslas

[blissful perch]

And even then, the sweat is only because he has to grunt so hard to force tame it

[jaunty nexus]

TRUE

[untold totem]

taming by grunting

[jaunty nexus]

only the diesel is capable of it

[untold totem]

imagine the music minigame but all grunts

[blissful perch]

Istg if we don’t have the admin force tame command make a grunt sound I’m gonna be disappointed

[past wind]

It’s not rumor

[untold totem]

RIP modders

[past wind]

It’s on their last Q&A

Not confirmed the date though

[jaunty nexus]

Damn

[past wind]

Question 7: Can you elaborate on the Unreal Engine 5 rumors? It would be great to hear more details about this and how we could expect the change to affect the game. Will it help with the current optimization issues?

Answer: Unreal Engine 5 is coming. We are currently in the process of the engine update. Once it updates we will have one last early access season to ensure it is as bug free as possible. Also, this upgrade is granting us the opportunity to fix much of the optimization issues at the same time.

Question: Do we have an estimate on the Unreal Engine 5 update?
Answer: We can expect that early next year.

[untold totem]

pulls the signature delays

[jaunty nexus]

Guessing new official atlas servers as well?

That sounds interesting

[untold totem]

i am avoiding official even not touching them even if i have a stick... that rule goes all games

[fresh obsidian]

make ark 2 anime grapgics lol

[jaunty nexus]

At that point just play Genshin

[untold totem]

no Gacha Genshin

[jaunty nexus]

I agree

It’s a bad game

[jaunty nexus]

I get that though

I dislike official servers at this point as well

[untold totem]

plus i am a roleplayer anyways where PVP is within justifiable and well developed reason, not "i raid you because reasons"

[jaunty nexus]

Yeah I like the thought of having an agreed upon PvP fight

[untold totem]

join us

[jaunty nexus]

We made a jousting arena on a server that I quit playing on recently

It was a lot of fun

[untold totem]

we used to have raptor and mek battle in an ARK server i played for a full year until they decided they want pure PVP with little RP

on ATLAS we have a well progressed RP story that leads to a season ending war

[jaunty nexus]

I think RP PvP is healthy for servers as you get that fix for violence along with the safety of knowing that your stuff is safe from wipe so you’re entitled to actually have a life

[blissful perch]

I don’t mind PvP gamemodes either like SotF

[untold totem]

yep on the ATLAS server i played on we have skill books on top of the current skill tree so that no one just abuse the respec

i want it that in ARK 2 as well but that makes PVP players whine more

[blissful perch]

Wish there was season based faction PvP like tribe wars

[untold totem]

would that be conquest?

[blissful perch]

I may actually play PvP in that case, since every faction would probably be at least somewhat of an alpha

[blissful perch]

I don’t believe there is any territory capture in current conquest

[jaunty nexus]

Conquest is a better form of PvP

It wipes every 6 months and is monitored by a team of enforcement you can contact directly

[blissful perch]

enforcement? The sacred words!

[untold totem]

fair but still New World kinda proved that will not work with people start leaning to the "best tribe" or abusing the "too effective" report system

[blissful perch]

It was an automated report system, so not what a “team” would be 😂

[untold totem]

fair

[jaunty nexus]

Nah you have to be in the conquest discord to contact them

[blissful perch]

New world didn’t work because factions could set tax rates in towns and faction leaders basically defined the game

[jaunty nexus]

They have a ticket system through discord

[untold totem]

makes me wonder why is this not the "official"

[jaunty nexus]

Your whole tribe gets banned and wiped lol

[blissful perch]

In ark 2 I would be suggesting factions basically partake in a questionably organized land grab affair for X months before a wipe lol

[jaunty nexus]

They’re good on handling cheaters

[untold totem]

tbf.. same goes with ARK where tribe leaders control the alliance

[blissful perch]

Right. Factions in “ark 2 tribe wars” you’d be able to opt into ONCE without consent from any player

[untold totem]

and see people start migrating or joining to the faction with the most land

[blissful perch]

You’d be unable to join a faction if it’s X players or X % players larger than the others

[untold totem]

"why i cant join my friend's tribe eventhough they are in this mega faction"

i am gonna be full on "PVP player complaining" on this scenario

[jaunty nexus]

Lol

[blissful perch]

There would be no mega faction is the point

[untold ingot]

Sort of like a planetside type thing? It would work, but it would need weekly wipes probably

[blissful perch]

Wipe duration is subject to map size tbh, I dunno how big the map will be

[untold totem]

there is a limit to a map size for the sake of accessibility

[jaunty nexus]

I’m interested in the weapon crafting for ark 2

[untold ingot]

Having an opt in faction system would really make it difficult to keep any organized fighting going on. So long wipes would be a drag to everyone involved

[untold totem]

i am completely mid about it when i played a ATLAS server that is close to vanilla

especially the possibility of people blocking resources

"you want this high grade thatch for your ascendant bow?, well too bad those are mine now"

[blissful perch]

Ok but work with me that “long” is arbitrary lol. A month is long to some and to others a weekend is long

[untold ingot]

I feel like that is arks biggest drawback honestly. Maybe there will be a dead zone like in ab that wipes bases but has resources

[blissful perch]

You could also have said rare resources just…not be anywhere remotely viable to build

[untold totem]

or like the bad lands in ext

[untold ingot]

For a random group of people Ina faction based pvp a week is way long

[jaunty nexus]

I don’t like the thought of being able to build on resources

That’s something I hope they’ll improve on

[untold totem]

same yet everything is resources

[jaunty nexus]

I get that but rarer resources such as the stuff that isn’t found in an abundance

[blissful perch]

I mean you can build in the extinction wasteland but that’s a bad idea

[untold totem]

maybe buildable on common resource but not near high grade ones but that kinda makes it exploitable by using a foundation to find it

[jaunty nexus]

It’s a tricky situation all around

[untold ingot]

I mean, to stop people building on resources there are 2 basic options. 1 a gen1 type random no build area, which was super unpopular, or a really dangerous spot that wipes any base but really limits the amount of build able land

[jaunty nexus]

Option two sounds better

[untold ingot]

Gen2 is the only map that had fair resources, because the asteroids were unbuildable

[untold ingot]

I think so too

Maybe a section of aratai controlled forest that has the most resources

[untold totem]

or do what ATLAS did with mythos storms that can damage everything in every say limited amount of time, so no more resource outposts

[blissful perch]

Extinction wasteland was also like this

Since a literal meteor would just yeet your base

[untold ingot]

Ext wasteland wasn't really ever fair though lol

[untold totem]

TBF Gen 2 space has way too many "rare" resource per cycle even without stryder

[untold ingot]

You couldn't build bases, there were few good resources, and all the good ones you had to fight everyone on server for

[untold totem]

not really because that biome is too big

[blissful perch]

He means the OSD and veins

[untold totem]

Ext is fair

[untold ingot]

Ext has so little going on that on a decent pop server everyone is out fighting for the drops and veins. I wouldn't hold it as a standard for good resource distribution

[untold totem]

Gen 2 space is too generous for rare resource unless one megatribe managed to block every single entrance for themselves

[untold ingot]

I do agree with that. It should have been harder to get good stuff. But the idea itself I feel was a good one

[blissful perch]

I dunno if it should have been harder. Stryders excluded ofc because those are busted but also not likely in ark 2

[untold ingot]

It felt more organic for farming than normal ark farming. It was just too much good stuff too easy

[blissful perch]

I think it’s better to level cap resources by needing higher levels to use them rather than strictly limit where resources spawn

[untold ingot]

My first day on gen2 smalls we farmed 10k ele with tek punches. Yeah, it should have been harder lol

[blissful perch]

The starting tek suit was to blame for many of Gen 2’s problems

But also…10k element is nearly useless before you beat a boss

[untold ingot]

For pve yes. But pvp everyone already has all the tekgrams

[blissful perch]

And even then, you can’t restrict the element you or your opponents get. Which is a good thing is it not

Since good PvP stems from people having similar strength

[untold ingot]

Yeah, like I said, the idea was sound. The balancing was not.

[blissful perch]

It sounds like the issue was more the amount gathered…moreso the presence of the resource being abundant (in terms of locations/places to gather)

[untold ingot]

Although that is kind of a trend. Wc has a ton of great ideas, but struggle with the balancing

[blissful perch]

Well the sandbox theme does protect them on paper

Since by nature, sandbox games aren’t competitive and thus don’t need “balance”. The devs for a sandbox simply release tools to use and let players figure out what to do with them

[untold ingot]

Sure, but pvp isn't sandbox, and can't really be treated that way without making unnecessary issues

[blissful perch]

It’s a PvP sandbox survival

You tell WC to change that and I’ll agree 😂

[untold ingot]

I mean, it's kind of semantics at this point

[blissful perch]

Given we both agree the sandbox should be dropped, yes 😊

[grim kestrel]

_> Why is it always seem to be whining about PvP everytime I look into this server.

[blissful perch]

visible confusion we’re talking about resource distribution and people building on top of rare resources

[prisma pike]

Wdc

[untold totem]

i mean just make a linear story with no building mechanics then that would justified removing the sandbox name

[untold ingot]

Lol, I was confused too jaja

[untold ingot]

That sounds like a terrible idea 😭

[blissful perch]

I’m also secretly testing a theory, which is “can PvP players offer positive feedback”

[untold totem]

because PVP players whines a lot no matter how much the dev tried to balance and report

[untold ingot]

Pvp is a large part of ark, so it does need to be discussed. Everyone has personal preferences for playstyle, but the game is for everyone lol

[grim kestrel]

Good luck! lol

[prisma pike]

Make ark 2 drop an osd on you with a 714 everytime you spawn

[untold ingot]

I mean, I feel I have done pretty well with that. Even if lately I am not much in the pvp scene

[untold totem]

because sandbox is about building your own ways of play that is why the maps feels barren compared to non-sandbox games

[blissful perch]

Welcome to the test 😂

[blissful perch]

You can have an open world game and not be a sandbox. See: breath of the wild

[untold ingot]

I feel there is a fine line between minecraft and green hell that is like the ideal point for a survival sandbox

[untold totem]

there are existing building set up and a linear story to boot.. hence it is not sandbox

[blissful perch]

…it’s objectively a non linear story

Point A is not required for point B

[untold ingot]

That doesn't necessarily change linearity though

[blissful perch]

If linearity is a line…and you don’t follow a line…how tf is it linear

[untold totem]

in any sandbox you just exist with no goals in mind until you choose to

[grim kestrel]

You can also have a PvP aspect without being considered a PvP game, look at GTA.

[blissful perch]

Which is why BotW isn’t a sandbox but is an open world game?

[untold totem]

in Zelda, your goal is to defeat Ganon, there is a weight of urgency

in ARK, your progression is optional... do the boss whenever you like, it is not the end of the world

[untold ingot]

I guess in the sense that linearity doesn't actually mean following a line

Although, I might have a different definition of the term

[blissful perch]

A concrete end goal of a game isn’t what makes something linear lol, it just means the game has structure

A structureless game, traditionally mocked for being hardly a game at all, is what we now define as a sandbox

[untold ingot]

There is a point to be made that for most competitive online games, even if the story or game play isn't linear, it rapidly becomes linear as people find the optimal solutions for things

That could be fixed by having a decent ai as the opponent rather than a repetitious algorithm

[blissful perch]

I disagree. Players are applying pressure on other players to play a certain way, but the GAME does not

[untold totem]

ye but you cant make a SOTF or MTS arena out of Zelda, do you now?

[blissful perch]

No? There’s benefit to sandbox games, and it’s a great genre

[untold ingot]

The game does not, but game play becomes that way. The only way to avoid it is to not play those games competitively

[blissful perch]

But I feel I’m being trolled when people say there are no games with structured end goals that have open worlds

[untold totem]

the thing is with sandboxes, it can be whatever genre you want that is beyond the core survival game aspect

[blissful perch]

Correct, but is that the devs job to fix?

I’d argue it’s not except that they keep offering it as an official gamemode

[untold ingot]

Not necessarily, but it would be great if they did. And the would make a crazy amount of money for the code they create to do it lol

Asking for a game to not feel like all game play is the same after 50 or 1000 hours is a lot. The only real way to do it is to have actual ai working things and changing things up

[blissful perch]

Put it another way: the sandbox nature of ark actually enables new metas to form. In generation 1 of Pokémon the meta changed 10 years after release. No reason it can’t happen in ark or ark 2, except that experimentation usually means a full wipe so you can’t experiment. And that’s if you bred stuff for hundreds of hours first

[untold ingot]

That's not exactly true lol

Ark is so easily calculated and predictable that it is usually pretty easy to find the metas, even if you don't have capped lines of everything laying around

[blissful perch]

The lack of diversity beyond stat numbers makes it less diverse, for sure. A numbers game makes for a more easily calculated one

[untold ingot]

The actual calculation of game play is too visible in ark for there to be a lot of variety in competitive play

I am hoping ark2 fixes that and really hides the numbers a bit

[blissful perch]

Just use a flamethrower with a tek suit against an afk player on a giga 🧠

[prisma pike]

I wish I had nitro sometimes

[blissful perch]

There just needs to be less “numbers fights”. More places where player choice and action impact results is where you form better metas

[prisma pike]

Cause the emoji I would use rn

[blissful perch]

I gotchu: you’d use 🧠

[untold ingot]

For sure. I feel that is where they are trying to go with the souls type combat

[prisma pike]

Only numbers fight these days is how many bodies you have

Everything is capped

Or almost everything at least

[blissful perch]

How about number of kits and tames, or number of hits until someone dies? It’s all predictable is the point

And ofc the tame combat is just spamming LMB most of the time (or the rare RMB if on a mana or wyvern)

[prisma pike]

You mean just Gigas?

[untold ingot]

Everything useful. And that is the point arks variety hits the tank. It is too easy to decide what tames are valuable in any given scenario

[prisma pike]

Why do PvE players all say that 😂 there's tames besides gigs

[untold ingot]

Pve players do pve combat. Which definitely needs an upgrade lol

Pvp combat is more complicated, but it's still pretty predictable

[blissful perch]

I did forget soakers, which don’t attack at all. Most riveting and unpredictable combat in the game

[prisma pike]

Well it's pvp game so yeah the PvE is gonna be bad

[untold ingot]

I mean, numberswise it is more pve actually

[blissful perch]

Big rip moment for sure. Especially since PvP has almost no CoC enforcement 😞

Makes me wish they just admitted they can’t ban the cheaters and just remove official PvP 😎

[prisma pike]

But design wise? PvP, it's also marketed as one.

[untold ingot]

Stegos, nets and rockets. It's actually some of the most fun and risky pvp there is lol

[prisma pike]

Racers?

[untold ingot]

Racers are boring and lame lol

[blissful perch]

I was told the soaker meta shifted to racers

[prisma pike]

Racers are funny lol

[untold ingot]

Eah, because of the netgun

[prisma pike]

Gen 2 ruined the meta

[ionic meteor]

Wildcard should add a feature in pvp servers where it won't allow you to raid/attack any player under a certain level, i see lot of low level players keep getting attacked by mega tribes.

[untold ingot]

It's easier to online someone with a racer, because nets work on stegos

[blissful perch]

Sounds exploitable

[untold ingot]

By mega tribes? Or just by random decent players?

[lime forge]

Who’s level? My level or the tribe leaders?

[ionic meteor]

To make it more balanced and fair i guess

[untold ingot]

That's what beginners was supposed to do, and it didn't work

[ionic meteor]

The overall combined level of the tribe

[prisma pike]

Yeah well the low levels gotta learn to go either build somewhere hidden or be a slave in a recruitment tribe

[lime forge]

Just imagine someone getting on their spare account level 1 and pillar spamming an entire map.

[ionic meteor]

To give new players a chance to build up and have tames

[untold ingot]

I would do thst day one lol

[lime forge]

Just indestructible thatch foundations everywhere

[ionic meteor]

yeah thats the problem with the idea though people are always going to find a way around it

[prisma pike]

Auto decay <

[lime forge]

A tribe level could be implemented though.

[untold ingot]

Yup, that's why things like that don't really work in practice. It's a great idea, but historically doesn't have great implications on game play

[ionic meteor]

Yeah i think that'll be cool

[prisma pike]

Imma fob with a blue tagged forcefield that's indestructible wdym

[lime forge]

That doesn’t help now why would it in any other situation

[untold ingot]

If it's a tribe level, just make a tribe with a level 1 char and still do the same thing

[prisma pike]

Flood the tribe with level 1's

[lime forge]

Not if tribe level determines the amount of structures you can place as a tribe

Can’t do to much damage with 20 pieces

[untold ingot]

Block the front of the cave with a level one afk player, and it would become unraidable

[prisma pike]

Is there a bad idea counter someone has?

[untold ingot]

It's not a bad idea. The implementation would need more work, and it couldn't work on the actual official cluster

[prisma pike]

So it's a bad idea 😂

[lime forge]

Another level 1 tribe could raid it

[ionic meteor]

Its really exploitable yeah

[untold ingot]

I guess so yeah. It woukd still make the game needlessly more complicated, and wouldn't actually solve the issue

[ionic meteor]

How are they gonna balance ark 2's pvp?

[prisma pike]

Idk

[lime forge]

“Balance”

[river vigil]

hows ark 2 gonna be

is it gonna be like ark rn just better graphics?

[prisma pike]

Shit like the first game

[untold ingot]

I don't know. I feel like everyone has their own pet ideas on how to balance it lol

[prisma pike]

Give everyone 714s on spawn

[lime forge]

No

[untold ingot]

There is a steam page for it with the details

[prisma pike]

Actually give everyone a redgun

Technically it's balanced

[untold ingot]

It would be fair, but fair doesn't mean the same as balanced lol

[prisma pike]

🤫

[ionic meteor]

If ark 2 won't tek then we would not have to worry about overpowered tribes anymore

Tek is just too op in my opinion

[untold ingot]

That's not really the case. There will always be overpowered tribes

[ionic meteor]

yeah but tek makes it worse i mean wayy worse

[prisma pike]

Like we're not gonna have stuff that's the same tier in comparison but just "isn't Tek"

[lime forge]

OP is relative. What one tribe considers OP could easily be wiped by another tribe.

[prisma pike]

People will cry that people are using high tier bows

[marble thunder]

PVP on ARK has never been really fair, there is always someone with more stuff (guns, dinos etc.) than you.
If you want fair PVP, it's better to play PUBG or CSGO, or something link that, I think.

Nevertheless, I find PVP on ARK really fun, as you can take every ressources the other players farm for so long, and with that it allows you to develop faster, but it's really punishing for the player who lose.

I don't think ARK 2 will change that aspect, PVP will still be unfair and really punishing.

[prisma pike]

Tek bow spam being op isn't relative

[ionic meteor]

Its really fun when they're not flying around like superheroes or teleporting dinos around like nothing

[untold ingot]

I agree, I just hope it is more balanced

[lime forge]

So if you have a tek bow and another guy has a tek bow that’s not balanced?

[untold ingot]

That is fair, but it isn't balanced lol

[prisma pike]

No I was just typing dumb shit when I said redguns lol

[untold ingot]

Balance has to do with each part of the game relative to the others. Fairness has to do with equal gear

[lime forge]

Im not sure what you guys think balanced means. Anytime you have a tiered game with higher levels giving access to better equipment there’s gonna be a disparity between seasoned players and newer players. That comes with the genre.

[prisma pike]

Yeah that's what I'm saying

But people think no Tek means that won't be a thing rofl

[untold ingot]

Tamed Dino to wild Dino isn't balanced for example

[lime forge]

That’s not something that will ever really change.

[prisma pike]

Yeah like bobs getting wiped

[untold ingot]

Ark isn't going to be fair, but it should be balanced

[prisma pike]

But people will still cry Abt it

[lime forge]

Bobs getting wiped. That’s not a balance issue, that’s a people issue.

[untold ingot]

It's not really an issue that needs fixing honestly

[lime forge]

Most everything in the game has a counter

[untold ingot]

Having a counter doesn't mean it is balances

[prisma pike]

Yeah but everything is too easy to counter

[lime forge]

That’s exactly what balance is

No balance is something that cannot be beaten

[untold ingot]

Like fjordhawks

And offline raiding lol

[prisma pike]

Build bigger ez

[untold ingot]

The last one was a joke lol

[lime forge]

Fjordhawks are fucked

[prisma pike]

My hawk took 2 bites from a gig the other day lol

[lime forge]

I’ll give you that

[prisma pike]

Balanced amirite

[south lance]

wtf they got with hawk hp man

[prisma pike]

20k

[south lance]

WTF

[untold ingot]

Manas for like 3 years were unbalanced too lol

[untold ingot]

That's not even capped yet

[south lance]

bruh

[prisma pike]

Not even halfway to cap 😂

[lime forge]

Were Fjordhawk originally on the Fjordur mod map?

[south lance]

maybe the devs just dont like pvp after all

or they really hate full loot

[prisma pike]

The devs have crayons in their ears bruh

[untold ingot]

No, they were new to the official version

[south lance]

so what do people just bring war rooms in their inventory now

[lime forge]

I see. I know Nekatus specifically made Fjordur for PvE. Didn’t know if it was his creature originally

[south lance]

since they cant lose anything

[prisma pike]

You basically have to tranq bow people for kits now

[south lance]

ah

[untold ingot]

Nope, it wasn't. Only the small tamed fenrir was his

[prisma pike]

Unless you int a gig or use a lightning

[south lance]

oh yeahhh fjordhawk doesn't do anything about ko

thank god 😂

[prisma pike]

Or grapple into turrets usually

[south lance]

melee bob is still viable

[untold ingot]

I mean, a deathwall still works against fjordhawks

[south lance]

7 years

[untold ingot]

As a Bob yes

[south lance]

bob is only viable as bob

[untold ingot]

It is sometimes hilarious to use with a tek sword though

[south lance]

but bob life is best life

[lime forge]

Melee bob with a club should not be underestimated in any circumstances

[untold ingot]

One tapping people's Astros is fun

[lime forge]

Y’all can talk about meta all you want but if I drop all points in melee it only takes one hit

[prisma pike]

There was a 190 melee character with a capped club trapping people in a racer box and fucking ko'ing them in a tribe we were fobbed by once lol

[untold ingot]

Technically yeah, but you have to survive long enough to get close lol

[lime forge]

That’s not hard to do unless the other guy is cheating

It’s really hard to sneak up on someone with that INI bullshit

[untold ingot]

I mean, in all my pvp time, I have been knocked out by a melee Bob once

And that was my first day lol

[lime forge]

They’re a rare species

400 melee ain’t no joke though

[untold ingot]

Loads have tried

[prisma pike]

I've gone melee once in an ice cave entrance with 450 melee

Shit was funnnnnyyyy

[solar turtle]

Is ARK 2 going to be like Farcry: Primal?

third person, more of a story game to survival

[lime forge]

It’s gonna be like Ark 2

[untold ingot]

Maybe, I haven't played that game though

[solar turtle]

only thing I like about ARK 2 so far is the T-rex & Raptor design

[prisma pike]

It's gonna be like overwatch

[south lance]

hmm

that sounds good hehe

[blissful perch]

No. Survival building seems to be a primary focus, as well as the creatures interacting with each other. And I suspect we won’t get a creature summon system like far cry

[loud star]

Case #28726 @lilac crystal has been muted for 1 hour.
Reason: Posting a unauthorised Discord invite link

[ocean tendon]

[winged dome]

Wrong channel, but I like your spirit

[jaunty nexus]

8 skull reacts so far I’m proud of you guys

[stray elm]

Quick, guys! We need 8 laughing emotes on PomPoms post

[potent hull]

ark 2 will be family or will it be family guy lol

[jaunty nexus]

you succeeded

[stray elm]

I am for once proud of this community

[jaunty nexus]

20 skull now

keep it up

[ocean tendon]

foundation wipe 'em

[prisma pike]

Damn this discords dead

[dusky jackal]

Lol

[frail fable]

Okay but do you think vin diesel poop is good fertilizer for crops???

[torn minnow]

Yes

[silver grove]

I'll be scrolling to the top of the chat until Ark 2 releases, at that point the news won't be useful 💀😂

[rotund grail]

Give us some ark 2 new info .For the love of God .

[blissful perch]

You'll get it in a month

patience is a virtue. You already need it to play ark 1 since you have to grind so much

[stray elm]

That's one of my biggest hope with ARK-2.
Grinding is always going to happen. But I hope they'll make grinding more entertaining to do, then a chore.

[jaunty nexus]

Incentives to grind like more achievements would be cool

[silver grove]

You should be rewarded for grinding, like outside of xp you should get passive traits like if you gather 10,000 wood you should be able to chop with the axe slightly faster or something to show for your experience in the task.

[jaunty nexus]

Yeah like upgradable skill tree stuff

You unlock them by completing feats

[silver grove]

Actually, another one that makes total sense. The more large dinos you either successfully kill or tame reduces the likelihood of the tribal npcs attacking you.

[jaunty nexus]

That’s an interesting concept

It’s sort of like the system state of decay has where if you have guards you’re less likely to be attacked

[silver grove]

Or PvE raiding, obviously players won't so they could have the npc tribes occasionally launch large scale assaults on your base with tames of their own. If you win you get all of the good loot they have on their bodies and potentially high level saddles their dinos had on.

[jaunty nexus]

That’s interesting

If they win you just lose progress

[silver grove]

Should hire me at WildCard ong 😂

[jaunty nexus]

The only problem I’d have with it is if your base is attacked while you’re away

As a solo tribe it would not be fun

[silver grove]

Make it so it scales with players on the tribe and only activates if atleast 50% of the tribes members are currently in the base or near it. And to notify you the tribe will sound their horns, kinda like native American death whistles

[jaunty nexus]

They could put a trigger that a player needs to be within a certain range of base but on official servers it would be rough

I do think the trigger for them having to be a certain distance to base would make it a smooth implementation

So long as the Next-Gen AI can actually work

[silver grove]

I hope so, it's clear they aren't just remastering Ark. It's a whole new beast of a game. So maybe some of the crazy ambitious ideas are just crazy enough to work 😂

And so long as consoles can run the game with better graphics this time 😭

[mint swan]

Why will the entire game be only 3rd person

[jaunty nexus]

It will yes

But modders can add first person if they decide to do so

[silver grove]

Good question, I was turned off at first but think about it. With the new Souls like combat it would be ridiculous to play in first person so honestly. I'm all for it.

[split dove]

i assume it's third person only due to the new combat and player movement they're implementing, probably wouldn't work at all in first person

[silver grove]

I'm a fan of all the changes they are making. I just hope the implementation and execution goes well. I am ready to give you all my money.

[mint swan]

I find the idea of a skill tree really cool, but please for the love of God don’t have the fighting style like skyrim or for honor

[jaunty nexus]

It’s only melee combat

So it’ll be like DS3 more than likely

[tropic crag]

It is not only melee combat

[mint swan]

Will there be more unique dinosaurs or will they only rework the ones we have

[jaunty nexus]

I thought it was souls like melee combat only

[tropic crag]

They've never said that, no

[jaunty nexus]

Oh

I must’ve misread

Thank you for informing me

I’ll check out the steam page again when home and see the full statement

[mint swan]

I feel like ark 2 will either be game of the year or will instantly flop

[jaunty nexus]

But honestly it’s better to try something fresh rather than just release another copy of ARK

[mint swan]

They should release the game as a test server first honestly

[jaunty nexus]

I don’t think it’ll flop but it won’t have a huge revenue release

It’ll be like ARK where it took time to build the player base up

Especially because of social media and how many people review the game

It’s up to content creators to sell the game

[split dove]

the Early acces launch is gonna be the test period

[jaunty nexus]

Interesting take. I hope to see it skyrocket but as things stand my opinion is as I stated

I’m glad to see people wanting to play it though

[silver grove]

I hope you're right, I've already decided that even if the game sucks at lunch I will be playing it non stop

[mortal kestrel]

arkII is a game Im def getting by default myself

[silver grove]

On god

[mortal kestrel]

I've been doing a fair bit of thinking, and I have come to the conclusion that creatures in arkII need to be balanced significantly different from how they are in ark... like in ark, like 90% of creatures have only one attack, so this leads to most creatures who have more than one being broken in some way, and in most cases, meta defining, unless your basic one attack dinos are just walking stat checks (examples of this being stegos and gigas as the bigger ones)

arkII needs a circle of power of sorts, so creatures can be balanced depending on the role(s) they fulfil, and making it so most creatures can fit comfortably in more than one role so the player has options to tame and invest in their tamed creature to fit their specific playstyle or needs

so instead of the game being designed around being a left click simulator, its designed to be flexible, which prevents newer and more "updated" or advanced creatures from just being default broken because they dont conform to how the game usually plays out, and this simultaneously allows the devs to be more imaginative with future creatures

[silver grove]

I've always loved the concept of each dino having a special ability or trait such as gathering a certain thing or a weight reduction or the parasaurs alert mode. If every single dino was balanced to have something like that it would be sick. They are making us players characters so in depth but we need the tames to be in depth too to add substance.

[mortal kestrel]

also with player mobility being a core focus (at least, its core enough that its listed in the steam page before even combat is) dino mobility also needs to be a core focus as well

this serves to not only indirectly make fliers less powerful as the game in general will be more mobile, but it would also further incentivize the player to deal with the responsibility of having a creature to care for... after all, why would I take this slow as hell dino farming if I can traverse the map much easier solo and ultimately get more resources by hand safer and quicker

[silver grove]

I also wanna see new rafts or even early styles of boats for ocean travel.

[mortal kestrel]

I want to be able to dynamically make a boat or raft, or any other vehicular mode of transportation

so like instead of just gathering an arbitrary amount of resources and boom I have a raft, I can make an initial frame for the vessel, and then tailor each specific part to my needs... and maybe different parts perform better in different bodies of water

[blissful perch]

I think the ark community and fanbase isn't at "0", so there will be a natural movement of ark fans to ark 2...so I'm not sure the opinion of "from scratch" is really accurate

[mortal kestrel]

so like say Im making a house boat, I could opt for just a completely flat boat and keep it on like a lake with calm water

but maybe instead I want something for taming and Ill possibly need to cross the ocean at points; I could have a flat center for the vessel but maybe a wedge in front to act as a wave breaker and a raised back to have a place to shoot from, assuming ko taming exists in arkII in a similar form in ark

[blissful perch]

sounds ATLASy

[silver grove]

Wagon / Cart and boat hybrid that has wheels under it similar to a windmill that works on land but doubles as a raft. In the water it works as normal but on land you need to get out and have a tame pull it along the land terrain, these would be especially powerful in the Swamp where water tends to get shallow.

[jaunty nexus]

Well I don’t necessarily mean “from scratch”, but content creators will be the reason people who have decided they don’t want to come back to ARK or haven’t played before will get the game

[blissful perch]

I think missions with size restrictions would be a huge way to help with this, similar to caves when they more strictly limited what tames could fit

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, to an extent

Im also thinking of how walker building works in last oasis too, as it has this to a certain degree

[blissful perch]

A huge ask that would revolutionize ark...but tbh would be sick. Large scale nomadic bases ❤️

[silver grove]

True, some caves have requirements that only some things could handle

[blissful perch]

I'd love to see missions for example that only allow raptor sized mounts and are built around those mounts

so for example having caves with jump points and smaller enemies that make raptors/sabers/etc shine

[mortal kestrel]

I'd love to be able to raise my raptors for different roles

[silver grove]

Maybe a tribal npc is requesting skins off of trex but a big dino would simply destroy the item they want so you would need a raptor to latch onto the Rex in order to get the smaller precisely cut sheets of skin they requested. Kind of a dumb example but something that tailors to certain dino archetypes

[mortal kestrel]

so like say some people might want a general fighting raptor thats small and can take a reasonable hit

but I just want my raptor for travel, so I'd like to be able to raise it to be light and fast, and possibly have limited gliding capabilities with more feathers

[blissful perch]

if raptors glide I'm rioting

[mortal kestrel]

making creatures "modular" like this would mean wildcard could add more with less work

[blissful perch]

on paper a skill tree allows you to spec for certain niches. In practice a meta forms and creatures well suited to specific builds tend to all be run the same

[jaunty nexus]

This sounds great

[blissful perch]

It's tricky but possible to manage diverse builds. WC's record for that is um not super crazy

[jaunty nexus]

I think certain skills should be locked behind “feats”

[mortal kestrel]

of course I think you should only be able to modulate a creature to this extent if you hatched it from an egg, and then raised it and as it grows up, spec into different traits that better fit what you want the creature to accomplish

this would make breeding more engaging and less

"hee hoo I sat in a metal box and now my dinos are op"

[blissful perch]

similar to tekgrams being locked behind bosses? I dig it

[jaunty nexus]

Like you have the skill tree, but there are certain things in the skill tree that are locked behind a “feat”

[jaunty nexus]

Exactly

[mortal kestrel]

I like that idea too

doing bosses so you can acquire knowledge to better breed your creatures to fit your ideals further

[blissful perch]

I do wonder if the skill tree is going to be primarily filled out through normal leveling and "feats" are what knowledge points are for

[silver grove]

I love the idea of a skill tree because sure there is a meta but maybe I wanna be the guy specifically tailored to taming and my other friend wants to be the guy tailored to building and another for hunting to kill. It would make the whole TRIBE thing more refined if we build a certain way. Of course you could be a jack of all trades but then you're a master of none.

[blissful perch]

*but is oftentimes better than a master of one

it's a real pain to lock people out of gameplay

[jaunty nexus]

I feel like feats would be something that really makes you work for the special skill you’d achieve upon unlocking it. So say you have to take a certain creature down so many times while on foot for strength

[mortal kestrel]

to unlock flight based creature stuff, such as gliding and air dashing, you should totally have to kill an alien wyvern type boss

would be awesome

[jaunty nexus]

That would be cool

[blissful perch]

I'd rather skills be "nice to haves" over "must haves" in terms of building and crafting

[silver grove]

I don't mean lock them out of it but whatever you build towards should give you slight buffs but not drastic enough to make you useless at everything else

[jaunty nexus]

“Take down the alpha wyvern king two times” to have the chance to use wyverns or something like that

[mortal kestrel]

eh?

[blissful perch]

I prefer tames be locked behind bosses, so I agree pompom

[jaunty nexus]

Say like they’re like mini bosses

[blissful perch]

Locking movement mechanics behind bosses is kinda cringe 🙂

[mortal kestrel]

I agree

[jaunty nexus]

This one would be based around how much movement you do

So say sprint “200,000 km” would unlock a stamina increases etc etc

[blissful perch]

I suppose you could have them locked behind levels/skills, but I'd hate to not have drake pouncing for example because I didn't clap rockwell

[silver grove]

Fight a wyvern boss but maybe instead of it dying on the 5th "kill" it gets tamed as a reward for your honor or something? Maybe?

[blissful perch]

sorry I'm referring to stuff like drake pounce, glides and climbs, enforcer movement...not normative stuff

[jaunty nexus]

Ohhh

That stuff

Yeah no

That should be built in

[blissful perch]

I think some tames SHOULD be only available through "trial by combat"

[jaunty nexus]

I feel like you should have the option to go down 2 or maybe 3 branches on the skill tree. You can’t get all of them but around half of it

[silver grove]

I think anything blatantly over powered should be.

[mortal kestrel]

Im not saying "hey you cant do this unless you beat mc wings looking ass over here"

Im talking in terms of being able to breed a creature, and then raising that creature and speccing its traits to be flight based, you should have to kill a flight based boss to unlock the knowledge to have that option

but this doesnt mean that if you take the time to tame an already flight capable creature you just cant use it

[jaunty nexus]

Ancestors has a system where you take baby creatures out with you and their neurons mature upon doing stuff

[blissful perch]

there should be no spec option on a creature that "unlocks" a new movement mechanic

[mortal kestrel]

Im referring to my modular creatures suggestion I made earlier

[blissful perch]

a creature's movement should be available on all creatures of the same species

you can have modular creatures in other ways that are not visually misleading

it's the equivalent of seeing a sword wielding knight but suddenly an arrow comes out of his head. You risk visual cues being rendered useless

[jaunty nexus]

Yeah base movement would be okay to have unlocked but to do advanced tactics etc etc you’d need to complete feats with those creatures

[mortal kestrel]

it wouldnt just be movement, it would be stuff like armor plating, maybe serrated fangs, and if course if it could glide then it would have a variant with thicker feathers that look glide capable (you know, like deinonychus vs your basic raptor)

[blissful perch]

there needs to be some suite of predictable and definable traits each creature has, and movement is one of the most critical

[mortal kestrel]

no not at all

thats not what I am saying

[silver grove]

I feel like all fliers should fly by default but you can't pump movement speed to 1000000 unless you specifically train it to be faster than the rest.

[jaunty nexus]

I feel like feats would make the game grindy enough but it would actually feel rewarding compared to how lackluster grinding feels in ARK

[blissful perch]

0 movement speed boosts on anything. This isn't 2014...movement speed boosting is just silly

[mortal kestrel]

I am saying modular creatures

as in the creatures appearance changes depending on how its "built" by the player

[jaunty nexus]

That’s a cool concept

[blissful perch]

that's a lot to ask of the graphics design team

and I'm also not sold on that...since that's flagrantly not how biology works lol

[silver grove]

I completely agree with you I absolutely hated it but all the Timmy's gonna be pissed when they can't basically Teleport across the map

[mortal kestrel]

flat stat boosts just shouldnt exist in general honestly with a game that has a skill tree

the power creep would be insane

[jaunty nexus]

Yeah

Feats would be my go to

[blissful perch]

flier nerf update was actually the best day ever

[jaunty nexus]

For any skill tree in any game

[mortal kestrel]

yeah

well fuck timmy, and his fairy god parents too

[jaunty nexus]

Like your pteras wings change style when you unlock a movement speed module on the skill tree

[blissful perch]

I think a combination of feats that vary from "do X task a lot" to "beat Y hard challenge" would be a good way to make the late/post game better

[silver grove]

Ong. I hate movement speed in the game completely honestly. I hated on unofficial servers my tames would fly off the cliff if I pressed sprint a single time

[jaunty nexus]

Yeah you can get power while also not getting too powerful that way

[blissful perch]

well you can always get too powerful

but power scaling in ark is really in relation to other players of similar progression status and the environment

[jaunty nexus]

But it would take time compared to a normal skill tree progression without the challenging feats

I do believe flying should be locked behind some form of intelligence

[blissful perch]

in the grand scheme of balance for ark, a game people no life like crazy, it wouldn't do much

I think it's just more fun than exp grinding tho 🙂

[mortal kestrel]

I would like it if the skill tree had a soft cap rather than a hard cap

so say you can intially only have enough points to go fully down maybe one to three trees depending on how complex it is

but if you did enough grinding you could unlock additional points to get stuff in different parts of the tree if you wanted it bad enough

[blissful perch]

I prefer respecs to any method that lets you get "most or all" of the skill tree

[silver grove]

We can all agree that if I have to build on uneven terrain where the land dips down slightly so the last foundation doesn't snap on, I will riot beyond belief

[blissful perch]

we just need ark 2 S+

[silver grove]

I love building but Jesus christ when that happened and completely ruined my idea for the base location I wanted to bomb the nearest base

[mortal kestrel]

honestly if they just make tames in general more mobile

fliers genuinely would not be all that strong, since you can get across the map more easily with dinos in general, and made it so fliers couldn't carry all that much and they had a mechanic where you could lame their flight by attacking their wings

[blissful perch]

I prefer less mobile across the board

[jaunty nexus]

Same

[mortal kestrel]

hell no, that would just make fliers even more impactful

[jaunty nexus]

You shouldn’t be able to get from point a to point b as fast as you can

[blissful perch]

agree

less mobility is what made ab so dang good despite being small

[silver grove]

I prefer actually going on an adventure with the tribe rather than zooming to all the resources in the first 15 minutes of a server launch

[mortal kestrel]

besides, they are already making the player super mobile

makes no sense to not also make the dinos more mobile to match otherwise there is genuinely no point in using them