ark-2

[manic kettle]

I honestly think the cheaters pay wildcard to look the other way , they make so much money off selling bases and Dino’s,
One dude said he pays 220$ a month for his hacks

If they are making that kind of money they can afford to pay devs off

They think they don’t need to do anything with ark 1 since ark 2 is coming out
,but who wants to try there next game when they deliberately waste people weeks and months of work by letting cheaters run rampant

[blissful perch]

Don’t ping the devs, it makes us all look bad

[manic kettle]

I don’t care honestly lol they look a lot worse than we do

They are the ones profiting on a broken game that just wastes people time

[blissful perch]

I agree that official PvP (especially on PC) is poorly moderated and managed

[manic kettle]

It’s literally the game with the WORST dev support out , never seen anyone just not care about there product

[blissful perch]

All games to some extent are a waste of time however, and a game like ark built around wiping other’s progress will always generate a sense of wasted time when your work is broken in front of you

[manic kettle]

If it’s legit idc but if you spend a year building a base and some dude started tek rifling your stuff from under the ground that’s a whole nother level lol

[stray elm]

Don't know man.
Ubisoft got them beat by a league.

And Blizzard.

And 343 Industries.

[manic kettle]

Blizzards not bad with hacking just poorly managed game

Games

[stray elm]

Sooooo, they're not bad with their employees?

[manic kettle]

Oh yeah they are but they do pretty good answering tickets

[stray elm]

I could care less about tickets when people are being harrassed within their company.

[manic kettle]

Oh yeah that’s a whole different thing was speaking about hacking into the actual games and cheating. That’s employee problems

[blissful perch]

Wildcard bit off way more than they could chew with trying to make ark an MMO imo

[stray elm]

A bad workplace results in bad dev's.

[blissful perch]

They did NOT have a full staff or funding source set aside to manage tickets and CoC enforcement

[stray elm]

That's their main issue.
They have hundreds of servers, but only have so limited admins.

[manic kettle]

Yeah they should have definitely added more on

I wish more of them played official pvp aswell as I don’t think any of them actually play there own game so they don’t really get to see what happens and what’s good and bad for pvp

[stray elm]

Or they should've removed servers to combinate with their current amount of admins.
Would also cause less dead servers, since a lot of players like to spread out to lower population servers to gain an advantage. Causing the playerbase to be more spread out.

Another issue is their ticket system.
I don't know how it works internally of course. But if i have to guess, they don't have a auto-filter.
So, people will spam and spam their issues, or be asses and make false tickets to bury the actual people needing help.

[manic kettle]

True

I just wish they would talk about the issues instead of just acting like all this hacking isn’t happening

A simple yo guys we are working on it would be dope

[stray elm]

I wouldn't call Wildcard 'bad dev's' cause to a degree, they do care for their community.
But like Shifter said, a small indie team bit off more then they could chew, and that caused long lasting effects.

[split dove]

they used to talk a lot more earlier on, but iirc it's partly our fault they reduced the communication with the community, correct me if i'm wrong tho

[blissful perch]

Not sure if it was ever explicitly said but it’s certainly obvious to me that we’re partly to blame

[stray elm]

True, but they had people complain back then about "them listing off unimportant shit" in their crunches YEARS ago.
Wanna know what said unimportant shit was?
A list of stuff they fixed/changed per update.

[loud star]

Case #27598 @tame charm has been muted for 1 hour.
Reason: Posting a unauthorised Discord invite link

[stray elm]

Get fucked

[stray elm]

@split dove

Damn, i do miss those days.
They'd talk about minor updates in Crunches and talk about all the things they fixed and whatnot.

[tropic crag]

Then you don't play a lot of games, lmao

[stray elm]

But those fucking people that where like "Noooo, we don't need all that useless information. Just get to the good bits" had to fucking talk.
Now we're stuck with them only listing off single fixes that people complain about for weeks upon weeks.

I love internal dev-talks. And the day they stopped posting every fix detail in the crunches, hurt my soul.

[blissful perch]

It made it a lot harder for me to track design choices and dev progress that’s for damn sure

[stray elm]

TRUE!

Can we just (peacefully) chant here of wanting dev-logs back for ARK-2?

And NEVER be removed, even if we demand it again?

[blissful perch]

No point unless the community stops being 1.) children 2.) man children 3.) people who want to keep changes hidden so they can exploit or abuse people’s lack of knowledge

[stray elm]

You say 'no point' but that's cowards talk!
Help me chant to summon the dev-logs back!

We shall become the Cult-of-the-Dev-talkers.

[blissful perch]

We as a community have to do a better job of screening low quality individuals before we bother asking the devs to return with more engagement

[manic kettle]

Yeah from this discord but they have their own seller discords with thousands of people

Yeah the being able to make unlimited accounts after being banned was dumb

Need some sort of ip ban

That’s why I e enjoyed playing MTS most balanced and moderated pvp servers

[lime forge]

Ark 2 should require a valid Id, ssn, and valid proof of mailing address. That way when people cheat we can just roll up on em in their living rooms

[blissful perch]

I keep telling people that WC should turn it over to the community if they can’t moderate XD. WC can give more active communities more tools and abilities to manage themselves and everyone would probably have more fun

[fallow niche]

lurking

[tropic crag]

Why tf can't I emoji react? But anyways, rough take. If the problem players are banned from a server, then it's not an issue. Who cares if they jump around, being assholes? They would do the same thing if there were an official network, just on a new account. It's literally the same thing. Having a global ban on an account means nothing if a hacker wants to ruin people's fun; the hacker is going to do this regardless of if one of their 50 accounts was banned. I'd even argue that having it be community run only would be more work for the hackers, not to mention the ability to password servers being a thing.

And a global ban could be instated (if you reeeeeeally need it to be) by just providing proper documentation to Wildcard, official or community-run (again, this would be less of an issue with community run, as people would probably just handle it themselves more often than not).

[blissful perch]

^its true that a dev team often has the ability to bar an account from online use of their game

[tropic crag]

Not even Wildcard specifically, hell, the individual platforms could ban them lmao

Report a guy with evidence to Steam, they ban his ass

[blissful perch]

WC can do limited high evidence global bans and community servers can ban for the rest. Bans could be shared through a network or WC could link up lists of bans for cluster owners to compare

[tropic crag]

Yeah, like a blacklist of problem accounts

Other games have done this in the past, it's not hard

[blissful perch]

It’s work, but it’s not impossible

[tropic crag]

Mostly PC games, to be fair, but I digress

This is a new age, and these new consoles are verily PC integrated with how their networks work

[blissful perch]

Given ark 2 sounds cross platform I think it can be easily extended to Xbox here

[rocky silo]

It would be really cool if you could build stuff out of bones in Ark 2

[split dove]

we do some some bone armour used by Aratai and a Aratai using a club with what looked like a allo skull on it, it would be a missed opportunity

[blissful perch]

Bones would be a cool new material for sure

[stray elm]

Btw, everyone add (Cult of Dev-talkers) at the end of your name, it spread the word of wanting dev-logs for ARK-2 when it comes out

[deft saddle]

You know i just had an idea

What if there were broken stryders walking around?

[split dove]

[deft saddle]

What

I think that sounds cool

[split dove]

i'm not saying it's bad, it's probably better to safe something like that for later

[blissful perch]

I feel like busted and motionless stryders could be cool

[deft saddle]

Can't wait to see what new animals and stuff they add

Ark 2 is on an alien planet right?

There's gotta be new creatures

[stray elm]

Join the cult!

[tropic crag]

Like the guardians in BotW, yeah

[split dove]

One of us

[stray elm]

We've already seen two

One of us!

[blissful perch]

I won't join the cult unless I'm assured the goal is possible

[split dove]

One of us!

[tropic crag]

[deft saddle]

Aratai and the weird chameleon plant thing?

[stray elm]

It is, if we build up.

[blissful perch]

and since we rendered it impossible...how will we change that?

[stray elm]

Yep.

[stray elm]

'You' rendered it impossible.

[blissful perch]

I didn't tell the team to post less in patch notes XD

[stray elm]

What're you?
A chicken.

[blissful perch]

pretty sure my only comments about them have been "thank you for the transparency"

[stray elm]

Yeah.
And if we make more members of said cult, we can get those back

[tropic crag]

Highly unlikely

But go ahead and try, I won't stop you

[stray elm]

JOIN!

[blissful perch]

I sympathize with your cause. But you'll need to covert non believers and heretics

[stray elm]

And they'll all fall, in time.

[tropic crag]

"Now, will you join The Unity, or will you die here? Join! Die! Join! Die!"

[stray elm]

Hang on, you got me an idea.

As the leader of this cult, i must do this

[tropic crag]

For the record, this is a quote, if not already readily apparent by the quotation marks, by The Master in Fallout 1

Just to specify before I get banned or some ish

[stray elm]

[tropic crag]

There he is

In all his glory

[stray elm]

All of his abomination glory

[tropic crag]

• Insert obligatory "The Master LIVES" here *

[stray elm]

Still the best villain in the series.
The only one that ACTUALLY had a good reasoning of what he did.

[stray elm]

Damn, i remember that from the Fallout Online image.

Wished we got that instead of Fallout 76.

[tropic crag]

Same

He do be alive doe, canonically

[stray elm]

How?

[tropic crag]

(maybe)

[stray elm]

In all endings, he gets nuked

And he's stationary so.....kind of hard for him to escape....

[tropic crag]

Yeah, but the framework for him being alive hasn't been retconned yet, from Fallout Online

So who knows

[stray elm]

True, but that's if Bethesda goes with what the Fallout Bible says

As of right now, of how they're treating the series. Nothing that's not published by Bethesda is loose-canon.
Cause if they where going with what we knew from Fallout 2, the Enclave are fucking DEAD

[tropic crag]

True, but the remnants were there in New Vegas

[fallow niche]

[stray elm]

Well, that's exactly what they where.
The 'remnants' of the Enclave.

[stray elm]

Aaaaaaand we mean enclave as in the ARK-2 enclave.

Hahaha...ha........ha

[tropic crag]

Oh yeah, this isn't the other discord...

[stray elm]

Yeah, this isn't the Fallout discord.

Shame on you Bruce.

[sullen mica]

First Person

[low dirge]

To what?

[mint swan]

Kinda got a feeling Lars wants first person. Even it is an amazing part of Ark, it is not nessecary. Everyone who hates Ark II because of the third person only thingy, need to realize it wont be the same third person as in Ark. Nothing can be judged without gameplay

[split dove]

can't really say it's gonna be bad if you don't know how it will actually play/look until gameplay comes out as always

even then you will probably get used to it after some time. if it's built for third person it will probably look bad if you try to force it in first person

[blissful perch]

I mean you can say it’s bad if you played ark 1 for tek and now it’s gone lol

But I do question strong beliefs that the game will flop because of something that’s so often uncontroversial

[south lance]

^

[wild kraken]

Family...

[proven mulch]

Hahaha he said the thing

[rare heart]

It depends on how similar it is to ark 1 in functionality and gameplay

[idle tangle]

Will its first server also be called let's play?

[south lance]

lets plays are over tbh

havent seen anyone call a game playthrough as a lets play in years

though ive only really seen fps games

[past wind]

It’s like assassins creed. You can’t play assassins creed in first person. 😂

Depending on how they implement it I might miss 1st person view on some situations. We will see.

[blissful perch]

I like first person for tight spaces and a sense of wonder “through my own eyes”. But tbh I felt a lot of that was workable in monster Hunter World and I didn’t miss the loss of first as much as I suspected I would

[rare heart]

People actually like to look at their characters

And also gameplay functionality

[blissful perch]

I hate almost all ark characters lol

I do however very much like looking at creatures, which I can usually ignore the little parasitic person on their backs

[south lance]

almost?

oh

[blissful perch]

If we played as only Aratai I’d be very hype

But then again I always found humans boring, so maybe that’s my personal bias

[tropic crag]

Same here, when can I play as a tiefling in Ark? Come on devs

[blissful perch]

I played as one in D&D and had to sleep in a tree because the racist town thought I was a harbinger of misfortune

That being said, let me play ark 2 as a mesopithicus for maximum monké

[tropic crag]

I always play tiefling, no matter what. Just really like the horns tbh

[stray elm]

God has arrived.

[tropic crag]

Is that what you're calling yourself these days?

[stray elm]

I can make a joke out of this, but i'd be banned

[tropic crag]

If it's an Austin Powers reference, you win a gold star

[stray elm]

Is being named after a bruising Pikmin what you call yourself?

[tropic crag]

Lel

[blissful perch]

I was always curious why he choice bruising Pikmin but didn’t use the purple pikmin as a pfp

[stray elm]

He's a bruising pikmin, yet he has a samurai Jack pfp.

[fallow niche]

It's time

[blissful perch]

New green pikmin

[fallow niche]

Also ark2

[blissful perch]

Only if we get confirmation of monké

[stray elm]

No ark 2 for u

[stray elm]

Hmmmmm

monké

[stray elm]

[blissful perch]

Give me…alien reptile monké?

[stray elm]

Why's the hype-o-meter at max, when Extra-Life isn't till two more months?

[blissful perch]

I’d love to see stuff swinging through the trees

[stray elm]

[fallow niche]

Dunno, have to ask Person lol

[tropic crag]

My gamertag I made when I was like 14 was named this, and I've based all of my internet presences off of that pretty much. It was actually supposed to be PurplePikmin funny enough, but that was taken. Anyways, Pikmin for Ark 2!

[fallow niche]

All the vines we see in the trailers, we better be able to use them

[blissful perch]

I’d love to use them as a player but imagine wild creatures using them

[stray elm]

Who?

[stray elm]

Aratai's are gonna swing to your doorsteps

[fallow niche]

There's like 4 Persons that I've spoken to, I do not remember which made the gif

[blissful perch]

My man’s swinging in to that booty

[fallow niche]

[blissful perch]

You can’t be mad at my use of booty to describe my hard earned ark 2 loot

[rare heart]

Doubt they would make a creature that small in regular ark terms

[untold totem]

yep, that is why i always want to get the mod with the plague doc mask that goes well with the dodowyvern and the reaper mask because it looks like it has a tongue rather having a human face inside the mouth

[ripe cedar]

uh because I just replicated the starfield gif

[minor prism]

Man after they released the noglin I think anything is possible 😂

Next creature guna slide through wall cracks 😂

[low dirge]

I never use 3rd person I play an rp server

[regal spear]

They should add some kind of snake that has an actual venom so that it’s dangerous and less of a inconvenience

Titanoboas were constrictors anyway and it would’ve been way cooler if they had that instead

[stray elm]

Or just do that for the Titanoboa

[stray elm]

Bruh, ARK isn't going to go off of accurate history.

[regal spear]

It would still be cool tho

[stray elm]

Meh

[regal spear]

Also more dangerous

[stray elm]

A actually dangerous Titanoboa with proper venom, yes.
A constrictor Titanoboa, not sure.

[regal spear]

At a certain point a Dino becomes less of a mini boss to more of a inconvenience

Titanoboas shouldn’t do that

[stray elm]

Don't think they where ever intended to be a mini-boss.

That's what alphas where for.

[blissful perch]

A constrictor would be cool, as would a viper/cobra

[stray elm]

Meh

I like my funny venom snakes

[past wind]

In that case, playing on a unnoficial server, you will probably have that the option through a MOD.

[blissful perch]

It’s great to hear folks like RP, and the cool thing is that ark 2 will still allow for that

[fervent oar]

I have a feeling ark 2 is gonna be a super consoleised snorefest, hope I'm wrong but I can't see it being as hardcore for some reason :(

[blissful perch]

But…ark 1 PvE is a snoozefest

[fiery wedge]

That's your opinion...

[dusty forge]

wonder what the new dinos will be like

[blissful perch]

Well yes, one opinion to match another 😅

[fiery wedge]

Well you stated it as a fact 😦

[humble totem]

Another pve bob flop like Atlas in 3rd person view..imagine!!

[stray elm]

Funny, cause ATLAS is a PvP based game

[humble totem]

We saw how well that went

[stray elm]

Of it being PvP based?
Yeah, we did.

[humble totem]

Ark pvp is good imagine if there was a ticket function in game for faster response against cheaters

[stray elm]

Good if you like lackluster combat.
I for one, never really liked ARK's pvp.

[rare heart]

When was ark pvp good?

[untold totem]

as a person who actually played ATLAS in a 100+ player unofficial RP PVP server

i agree that ATLAS is a PVP game

[rare heart]

We dont talk about bru- i mean atlas

[stray elm]

The current dev's blatantly stated it's a PvP game.
Its balance is around PvP, and it's why a lot of PvE players get fucked over.

[untold totem]

pretty much, there is literally no PVE content in Vanilla ATLAS

what is why it died

[stray elm]

Yep

They fucked over the PvE side when they made the newer ships slow as fuck.
You know how long it takes to sail across the map with legacy ships, right?

It can take legit hours.

[untold totem]

their current update is just catering to their remaining PVP players in their official server

possibly less than 100

[stray elm]

Yeah.
Surprised official is still even alive.

[untold totem]

same here while GS gave a middle finger to the modders by not giving them a devkit update

and not realized that 1 unofficial server that keeps them alive

[past wind]

They have sold between 1 and 2 million copies. They are fine.

I liked Atlas in the beginning. Not really sure why the numbers went down so fast. But they still have around 2 thousand people playing it daily.

[stray elm]

That was most likely from launch.

Does it say what year that revenue is from?

[past wind]

Probably. And Steam DB doesn’t say much about their data.

[stray elm]

That's also a lot more lower then ARK, which had 16-Million copies as of 2019

[past wind]

Not comparing to Ark. Just comparing to other “indie” titles

[stray elm]

Oh wait, nope. 20-Million as of 2021

[stray elm]

ARK was once an indie title.

[past wind]

But a really successful one.

I’m just saying Atlas was fine, but not a huge success like Ark.

[stray elm]

Yep.
And Atlas has yet to come even a smidge close to 30% of ARK's revenue.

[stray elm]

'Was' is the key word.

[past wind]

Also, Atlas has a really bad review rate.

[stray elm]

Atlas also has 700 players currently.
Which is......not a lot figuring they have two servers that can hold 1,400 players at max.

[past wind]

Sure. I’m just pointing out how they still exist as a developer. They’ve made a lot of money on the release.

[stray elm]

What does money have to do with it being a basically dead game?

[past wind]

But well, getting back to the topic. I hope some concepts of Atlas were brought to Ark 2.

Like the map system. NPCs.

[stray elm]

True.
I do like the grapples in that game a lot more, and the swinging physics.

[stray elm]

So, you remember in Atlas if you had SP-settings enabled, it'd add NPC pirate camps you could raid on Islands?

[past wind]

I will quote you: “surprised official is even still alive”

I’m just pointing out they can keep it because they made a lot of money.

[stray elm]

Yes.
Cause 700 players isn't alot, and you have to split that number from two servers, and unofficial servers.

[past wind]

They have around 2k daily.

[stray elm]

Steamcharts says otherwise

[past wind]

2k is the concurrent number. The player base isn’t 2k.

[stray elm]

We should get back to ARK2

[past wind]

Like Ark: 50k concurrent. But the player base is way bigger than that.

[stray elm]

Anyway, if you remember the pirate NPC camps you can raid in the SP-version of Atlas.
I want those in ARK-2, but better.

[past wind]

It says what I’ve said. But yeah, back to Ark 2.

[past wind]

Me too

They had nice concepts I hope WC will bring to Ark 2. Like traveling between maps.

[stray elm]

I don't want a grid system.....

[past wind]

I liked the grid system 😂

[stray elm]

ARK-2 is already going to be probably taxing as it is.
Having 20x grids doesn't help.

[stray elm]

Until you get into the technical side, and realize a lot of Atlas performance issues stem from them.

[past wind]

I’ve played ark on officials. Ark also sucks, regarding performance.

My ping was 255 like all the time

Not really different on Atlas

[stray elm]

No shit.
But i've had ping on Atlas that was literally over 300.

[past wind]

Ark locks on 255. The real ping is above that.

[stray elm]

Also.....since we're going to have to travel via primitive styles for awhile, i don't really want to walk literal miles to get to the otherside of the map.

[past wind]

That’s fair 😂

[stray elm]

You already have to sail for 40 minutes to get to the otherside of Atlas.
It was longer back then, but it should NOT take that long for a game.

[past wind]

But we will have flyers. Atlas didn’t have any. At least while I played it.

[stray elm]

Newer ships go basically as fast as a pteradon.

[past wind]

Another nice touch would be claim system and the pve areas.

[untold ingot]

For a raid party it definitely should though

[stray elm]

no

[untold ingot]

The reason people get almost guaranteed next day raiding on ark is because people can travel the map so fast with raiding gear

[sweet cape]

Make taming more fun

In ark 2

[untold ingot]

Like shadowmane taming?

[mint swan]

What do you define as fun?

[lime forge]

Most of the newer Dino’s. Amarga, Dinopithicus, Fjordhawk. Things that aren’t just trap, shoot, place food in inventory.

[lime forge]

Shadowmane taming isn’t bad. It’s filling the baskets that’s bad.

[untold ingot]

Agree to disagree lol, I am terrible at shadowmane taming jaja

[lucid parcel]

One thing I’m wondering about Ark 2 is how the start of the first map will be, you know how you make the world and then there’s cutscene thing of you waking up and you see the gem on your arm? How will you load into ark 2?

[lime forge]

You’re gonna be sleeping, and then you’re gonna here somebody say “hey Link. Wake up.” And then you’re gonna wake up handcuffed in the back of a cart with a horse thief, on your way to be executed by Vindiagos people.

[lucid parcel]

Lmao

[grand lynx]

@cunning talon you have a leak 👀

[wild kraken]

so you wake up on a wagon right and then a nord says "Hey you, you're finally awake" and then you go on a quest to save skyrim

[rustic oxide]

Mode

Moment

[winged dome]

'You were trying to cross the border, right? Same as us, and that Parasaur over there.'

[wild kraken]

"we were caught in that melee bob ambush..."

[void pond]

Din Viesel

[tropic crag]

Don't ping members of WC, it looks bad on all of us

[past wind]

So, any chance to see anything about Ark II at Pax West?! I know chances are low, but would be nice.

[split dove]

could always be, but expect for something to be shown at extra life instead

[stray elm]

As of right now, it's Switch based stuff.
But it's not unlikely.
But more likely to be Extra-Life

[cinder apex]

this is ark 3

[lucid parcel]

Lmao

[stray elm]

So, i had a little thought.

@tropic crag So y'all know how ARK more or less takes many inspirations of ideas with its lore.

Like how element is inspired by The Expanse, how (though unconfirmed) the general plot seems to be inspired by The Maze Runners. Both being people with little to no memory of the events leading to them arriving in a strange new place, both being testing facilities, and both trying to figure out a cure for a virus that ravaged the planet.

@past wind @untold ingot Y'all can also get in on this.

Though, something I've noticed is that the mutated people in The Expanse look like corrupted people like in ARK, to a degree.
But in The-Expanse, they look a lot more robotic, then the charred decaying corpse corrupted creatures look like.

[untold ingot]

Well, having never seen the expanse, and only having heard of maze runner, I don't know how much I can chime in on this 🤣

[stray elm]

Ever played Gears of War?

[untold ingot]

Nope 🤣

[stray elm]

Okay, i'll just DM you images then you're on the same page if you're cool with that.

[untold ingot]

Sure

[stray elm]

So you see they're the same in vein, but hella different. Right?

[untold ingot]

I guess it is a bit similar

[stray elm]

Right, but my recent thoughts have been "damn, they look pretty different even though it's suppose to be inspired"

Then i came to the (probably obvious) conclusion that "element" was inspired by The-Expanse, not corruption.
Cause they're also two separate processes if i recall.

So, that made me think "why do corrupted creatures look so familiar?"

'smacks lips dramatically'

They're totally artistically inspired by the Lambent from the Gears-series.

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I don't quite see the resemblance, but this is the first time I have ever seen or heard of that lol

[stray elm]

They have the black overgrown corruption tendrils around them.
They have the central body-glow.
They're both decomposing.
Corrupted creatures just have a bit more normal mass to them, then being 100% corrupted.

[stray elm]

Their plot is also basically One-to-One

[untold ingot]

Interesting

You think that connection might have impacts on the story continuation in ark2?

[stray elm]

Lambent: A substance from a alien planet that humanity harnessed and thought it was just fuel.
Glows a vibrant color, hot as lava, kills you on contact.
But it turns out to be a living hive-mind that infects creatures into a zombified state. (yes, it's ark-2 related. Give me a bit)

Element: a alien substance that came from space.
Also was used for fuel, and was thought to be just that.
Turned out to be a alien, and started a hive-mind to kill all creatures and infect them.

Also, i'll send you a image of what the guys look like originally to give an idea. (should've from the start)

[untold ingot]

Hmm, interesting

[stray elm]

So, hang on to your fucking pants cause this theory is going to going to be STRETCHED!

[untold ingot]

Well, I am doing my best to follow along, because I have never really come across these other sources before 🤣🤣

[stray elm]

So, we already established that ARK's lore likes to take heavy inspiration from multiple sources.
(I.E. The literal plot of Genesis-2 of being a space-suit man fighting a biomass organism on a ring)

[stray elm]

Maze-Runner thing was to more or less show that ARK likes to take inspiration from other sources.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, gen2 does seem to take a lot of inspiration from halo, to a degree at least

[stray elm]

So, in Gears of War, it's on a alien world called 'Sera'
Now, it's never explained how humans got here, but it's clear that they ARE homo-sapiens, cause we've seen in the games their DNA.
One of the biggest theories, is that sometime in the future, humans on Earth where colonizing worlds and a colony landed on Sera, but more unprepared and had to basically re-evolve their technology.

Sounds a bit familiar?

[untold ingot]

I mean, that's a fairly common storyline for scifi

[stray elm]

Right, but still.

[untold ingot]

Although, unless I am mistaken, there is only the one colony ship in ark

[stray elm]

Besides the point

[untold ingot]

Sure, it doesn't really change the main storyline

[stray elm]

So, here's my point.
This is a BIG stretch, and i'm more doing this for fun.
ARK-2 could start the same way, of humanity needing to re-evolve with new cultures and such (with the obvious issues of the Aratai)
'IF' this is truly the home-planet of element, then this could explain some of the creatures in the game and how they could exist. Meaning all life has traces of element in it.
Well, the conflict of humans and the Aratai could last long enough that it reawakens the element on the planet. Causing a three faction war.
Causing a similar situation of what happened in Gears-3, of the war becoming three-sided.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, that honestly is what I am hoping to see

[stray elm]

Also, just to add more salt into this dumb, crazy theory.
At some point, humanity could drive the Aratai's into the planets cave-system, causing a more similar situation.
Causing the Aratai to actually find element first, and harness its abilities.

[untold ingot]

It could have a story like Brandon Sandersons skyward though, especially with aratai attacking human settlements

[stray elm]

But the downside, is that they're getting the main blast of its effects.
Causing corrupted Aratai's, and basically a pre-Extinction situation.
If technology also progresses far enough, they could also nuke the surface to add more salt to the similarities and have the last DLC a mixture of a Aberration/Extinction DLC, where the surface is a wasteland hell, while the underground is a lustful cave-system that is also hell.

[stray elm]

No idea what that is.

[untold ingot]

It's kind of an unknown book series lol

[untold ingot]

Well, considering that ab was the most popular map ever for ark, and we haven't seen the end of element yet, I really could envision this being a thing

[stray elm]

Point was, i believe corruption itself is more or less inspired by the Lambents.
And that in some crazy world, that possibly Arat will have similar wars and events that the planet Sera did.

[untold ingot]

It'll be interesting to see how they manage to pull it off. Not to mention absolutely revolutionary if they manage to keep a story like that going in the midst of a multi-player survival open world game

[stray elm]

Like, legit.
Imagine a full surface to explore that's just a hellish wasteland, with ruined buildings and mutated creatures.
Livable, but barely. With many, many hazards now effecting the surface.
While the underground is a mixture of what people loved about Aberration, but also in some areas, a legit cave-system.
But it too is hellish with the war between the last bits of the Aratai's and corruption still fighting in the deepest pits.

[stray elm]

It's possible, cause a lot of MMO's have major changes like that in their stories.

[untold ingot]

I would really like to see another full cave map, but with more cave, and less map if you know what I mean lol

[stray elm]

Like, more linear caves and less open ended caves?

[untold ingot]

Not necessarily linear, but yeah sort of

[stray elm]

Hang on, i think i got an idea.

[stray elm]

Like that?

[untold ingot]

I am thinking more tunnels and stuff, like the crystal caves in Arizona. I forget what they are called

[stray elm]

Ahhh, i see.

[stray elm]

But the cave i sent you would be also cool, no?
My biggest issue with Aberration was the fact there where no real 'cave' areas.
It was either all forest, very tight caves, or 'dead'

[untold ingot]

Yeah, ab feels a bit too open for a full on cave

[stray elm]

Also feel like it would've been nice to have one of the zones a true open 'cave' and not a lush-cave.

Like, just the rocks and shit type of cave.

Also, that picture was the cave-system on Sera.
That's from Gears.

[untold ingot]

Well, one thing is for sure. Caves have to come back lol. There hasn't been a good cave on story maps since ab

[stray elm]

True

Anyway, thanks for indulging on my dumb little theory that'll probably never happen

[untold ingot]

I mean, a 3 faction war is definitely something I can envision happening

[stray elm]

True.
The steam pages description helps that, also.

[untold ingot]

It is extraordinarily common in scifi, just because it allows for more creative storylines

[stray elm]

I just hope they don't introduce a third faction too early on.
I wanna focus on humans vs aratai's in at least the base-game.

Third-faction warfare in stories is more like near the end of the story type of thing.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I would like to see that too, but I would almost bet money that the king titan or some varient of it will be coming back lol

[stray elm]

It physically can't.

[untold ingot]

It was created by the element on earth, I could see that happening in a similar way on arat

[stray elm]

For element-based titans to appear, the air has to be extremely polluted.
This pollution can only happen with mass-warfare of tek-based technology.

[untold ingot]

Unless arat is the home world of the element and the corruption there is natural

[stray elm]

Again, that type of pollution requires centuries of warfare.
Corruption itself i believe is a different story.
But titans require a 'very, very' specific environment to form.

That, and Titans usually kill everything they see and corrupt everything.
So far, the planet is pretty lush.

[untold ingot]

Like salt in the ocean is fine, but that much salt in a rainforest would kill it. That's kind of how I see element behaving between arat and earth. It's fine on arat because that's its homeworld, but it kills other planets

[stray elm]

That's if element is bad, and wasn't humanities fault for its corruption.

[untold ingot]

Well, most of the titan forming lore is taken from speculation by Helena and Co. They might not have all the details to really say

[stray elm]

The One Who Waits stated theses.
And she's more or less godlike, so it'd take her word on it more.

[untold ingot]

Salt isn't bad, but it would still destroy a rainforest really quickly lol

[stray elm]

Why are you using salt?

[untold ingot]

It's an easy comparison to kind of how I envision things working

[stray elm]

Not for me.
It's making my head hurt.

[untold ingot]

Oh, lol

[stray elm]

"Epic Story!"
Yeah, y'all better have an epic 'and' good story, cause Genesis-2 was a bit of a letdown.

[untold ingot]

Well, element is a xenotoxin on earth. If arat is elements homeworld, then it wouldnt be alien to the planet, and it might not even be toxic to plants and animals there.

[stray elm]

Well, that'd most likely cause 99% of the life on that planet would have traces of element in it.

[untold ingot]

I don't think it is a coincidence that Rockwell specifically picked arat to go to, like it's not just some random planet imo

[stray elm]

I also think that.
But again, titans require a very specific environment.
I don't see any tek-based technology running, or wars. Soooooooooo

[untold ingot]

Yeah, although the effects of that on element natural creatures is kind of unknowable. The only experience we have had with element is stuff that got changed by it

[untold ingot]

Maybe, then again, that could be speculation on Helenas part

[stray elm]

Just saying, Marc did confirm this.

[untold ingot]

Hmm

[lime forge]

I’d like to point out that we traveled to Arat on an element powered ship, that was corrupted by Rockwell. That ships remains were seen in one of the Ark 2 trailers so it is very well possible that element and its corruption are now both on Arat.

[deft saddle]

Wouldn't it depend on what kinda element?

Like we know liquid element mutates things

But im pretty sure the element we put in our tek rifles and armor is more of like
Refined

[lime forge]

Personally though I don’t think we’re gonna face titans again. I think we’re gonna face the Aratai, up until the element hive mind makes its big reveal then in the end humans and Aratai are gonna team up and face off against the hive mind itself.

[lime forge]

While element has many different forms it’s the use of element that causes the corruption. It was the element from the weapons used by the federation and the URE that caused the corruption on Earth. The real question is whether the hivemind was born through the war or was it already in existence before hand. It’s very well possible that it could be what caused the two factions to fight to begin with in an attempt to create the corruption it wanted.

[untold ingot]

The hive mind being a titan?

[stray elm]

Titan's are just to better organize the hive-mind into a militaristic mindset.
They are not required though.

Rockwell was connected to the hive-mind.

It's more or less how the Flood work in Halo.
The Flood don't 'need' a gravemind to survive or form.
But forming one does help them go from a animalistic instincts, to a militaristic force.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but I doubt the final battle of the final ark2 dlc is going to be us hitting ele dust. They have to have some sort of physical entity that we are going to fight

[stray elm]

Well, thinking what the final boss of ARK-2 as a whole is, is a task that'll go nowhere. Since we don't know the main story.

[untold ingot]

It's all speculation sure

[stray elm]

Hell, we didn't know what any of the final-bosses where going to be for each story-map, till Genesis-1.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, it makes it hard to predict. But that is where I see the overall thread goinf

[stray elm]

For all we know, they could honestly introduce another, unknown force as the final threat.

[untold ingot]

That could be

[lime forge]

Someone I think Helena had either a dream or a vision of a purple humanoid crawling across Earths bedrock and essentially disintegrating it. Could have been it’s actual form.

[untold ingot]

Yeah maybe, it's hard to say what it'll be

[stray elm]

That was Helena, yes.
And she was describing the King Titan

[lime forge]

That’s incorrect according to the lore info I was reading.

[stray elm]

What where you reading?

[lime forge]

I believe it was the lore section of the Ark Fandom

[stray elm]

Ark Fandom is the worse place to get your lore, unless it's the notes directly

I could be wrong about the vision.
But none the less, don't use the Ark Fandom for your lore, unless it's the notes.

[lime forge]

It’s just a culmination of verified info from the notes

[stray elm]

Some of that stuff was wrong, the last time i read it.

"the United Republic of Earth (URE) and the Terran Federation (Feds). For reasons that are still unclear,"
While true of nothing confirmed. Santiago did state a theory of "dogs fighting over the last scrap of meat"
While just a theory, it's a in-universe theory that should've made it into the lore summary, since it's the closest we have to a confirmation of the cause of the war. (obviously stating it's a theory though.)

Wait, i'm fucking dumb

" HLN-A described both nations strangely having identical cultures and ideologies and their conflict as two dogs fighting over the last scrap of meat on a carcass"

Nevermind.

ARK-2 part of the lore page defiantly needs an update

[clever vortex]

I remember there being some parts of the Ark Fandom where speculation was treated as fact or things mentioned in the notes were misinterpreted to mean something other than what was intended. Haven't looked at the lore page on the Fandom in a while though so it might have been fixed.

[lucid parcel]

I might be getting an Xbox series X for Christmas this year, I’m saying this here because that means I’ll be able to experience Ark 2 on the series if I do get the series! Already can’t wait!

[mint swan]

Hoping ark II will get crossplay 🤞

[worldly garden]

ARK 2 will have crossplay, but just not sure what the official servers will have.

[green dirge]

i think it should be steam/pc servers and then xbox/ps45 servers

[boreal herald]

why not pc & console?

[ripe cedar]

Theres no ps4

Probably

[green dirge]

controller vs keyboard makes a difference, as someone who has tried both its not fair at all

[boreal herald]

makes a difference where? i'd imagine pc & console would be fine for pve servers.

or private servers if they so choose

[green dirge]

oh yeah for pve its fine but pvp absolutely not

[boreal herald]

ah then yeah i'd agree with your intent. i could see the pvp servers having that divide. pc only and then console only pvp. but pve could be fully crossplay and privates are up to the owner

i don't think they'd be the first to follow that lead either. i feel like many games are doing that same strat

[ripe cedar]

Or have crossplay servers and non crossplay server to give choices

[boreal herald]

yeah idk how much of a difference it makes. if it's significant then they'd have to work on closing that gap

before they could fully open the gates

because you know there would be gamers who choose to play full crossplay and then immediately complain the other is better

[green dirge]

dude the gap is huge, ive tried both and the game is just meant for a keyboard. Many crossplay games (not apex which is a FCKING CRIM) allow you to plug in a keyboard to your console which would make it fair, so maybe servers could go by input device but at the same time people would hack it some how to show up as a controller player and be on a keyboard so idk

[blissful perch]

I’m pretty sure Xbox/win 10 will have cross play, which means that pc/Xbox is already going to play together

Given Ark 2 is likely never coming to PS4 (because it says next Gen consoles) and isn’t launching on PS5 it’s possible they have separate servers for PS or they just get lumped into the rest

[boreal herald]

right. i'm taking your word for it.
i'm just saying if they wanted to make full crossplay pvp servers then someone on their side would need to do an assessment of both platforms and attempt to close that gap. whether it's a new aim assist algo or modifying the UX. idk but it would be a lot of work to confidently put out a full pvp crossplay server option. it's easier to just make it blanket no crossplay pvp like you and i agreed on earlier and you'd get less gamers complaining about the other platforms

[blissful perch]

The most common complaint I see for cross play ark is cheating

Since ark 2 may have far less reliance on ranged weapons and more melee focused gameplay it’s quite likely that cross play will be less troublesome (since sensitivity isn’t as critical to melee combat as it is for gun play)

[winged dome]

720 no scope arrow headshot montage incoming

[stray elm]

This is on most people though, since you can use a keyboard and mouse on a Xbox-One.

[untold ingot]

I mean, for games like dark souls I have heard that controller is superior to mouse and keyboard

[blissful perch]

Any game where you need smooth twin stick diagonal movement still works best on controller

[untold ingot]

Pvp games only have an advantage on mouse and keyboard when it is shooter based, and sometimes not even then

[ripe cedar]

Thats not the only reason consoles players wouldt want crossplay, wanting to limit cheating for one

[past wind]

After 7 years playing Ark on PC. 90% of the “cheating players” are actually people that just play well.

The most annoying issue on Ark for me is the glitches on the map. Mesh holes etc.

If UE5 allows Ark II to improve on that regard, we will be fine with crossplay.

[oblique vale]

yea

[lime forge]

“Nice Aim bot bro”

Love getting accused of cheating. Best compliment you can give a gamer.

[pearl peak]

Arent they still making Ark II third person only?

If they fix the constant lagging issues, and actually address bugs rather than just throwing more bugged content on top, that would be the biggest leap forward

[past wind]

For the base game/official servers yes.

[pearl peak]

ATM I would never pay for Ark II, not if Ark is anything to go by

They need a massive investment in their hosting hardware, sort out their approach to programming and lack of attention to detail, and actually stat fixing content and problems not just churn more broken stuff out on top

The fact there is still only the original short clip as promo content for Ark II and its release is supposed to be 2023, and even the "pictures" are just still from that clip, would suggest development is also not going well.... ive a strong feeling its going to have the same issues Ark has

[stray elm]

ARK is hard to go by what their motives are, cause there's so much shit wrong with ARK already.
Game being made on an older version of UE4, and being made by indie-dev's that, for the most part, was their first major project ever, and coding that was never meant to be pushed this far due to the unexpected popularity.

[pearl peak]

I heard they claimed half the lagging issues are due to it being a "single player platform" that teh game has been buil ton, which is simply rubbish, theres more than a few big multiplayer games on UE4, UE4 was never the issue

its how theyve used it, and how theyve dealt with issues that have arisen, rather than fixing from start, left it and built on top of it, to the extent that it now cant be fixed because its got so many layers upon layers

So thats programmers ethos, and way of work....not UE4

[stray elm]

UE4 'is' the issue when you're using a earlier, unstable version of it.

[pearl peak]

those issues are likely to follow while its still same people making it

[fiery wedge]

The issue is their shit coding

[pearl peak]

exactly

and they way they approach their work and rectify issues

[stray elm]

@fiery wedge It's a mixture of both.

There's a lot of factors of the issues.

[pearl peak]

and they desperately, desperately need to sort out their hardware so its fit for purpose

[fiery wedge]

Is ue5 even finished or is ark 2 being made on what's going to be a "old" engine soon after launch?

[untold ingot]

Yeah ue5 is finished lol

[pearl peak]

ue5 has been out for some time now, its widely used

[fiery wedge]

I haven't seen any games use it yet I don't think

[untold ingot]

There will be updates and patches to it, but it should be pretty easy to port to never versions. Ue4 was a bit more difficult at the start

[lilac steeple]

they were unable to easily upgrade the engine because they made many changes to the engine itself very early on. I'm sure they won't make the same mistake again, they probably even have epic more at their side this time. or at the very least they might have a engine programmer this time around

[stray elm]

If ARK-2 has been in the works for longer then we thought. Then they'd have to had started on the latest version of UE4.
Which a lot of games recently have been doing.
Making the game on UE4, then porting it to UE5 when it released into a more finished state.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, they made a ton of early changes to an unstable version that made it kind of impossible to fix. I have worked on websites that have had those types of problems. It's literally way easier to just rebuild from the ground up, even if you know the exact issue

[fiery wedge]

Well I hope there's no porting issues

[untold ingot]

As long as they didn't do any major edits to Ue4 when they started working on it then it shouldnt be a problem. Porting between a vanilla Ue4 and ue5 isn't that difficult

Like the game is going to have bugs on release, it's basically impossible not to. But if the framework is designed well, then it won't be a problem at all

[lime forge]

I think they announced something about this

Oh no. That was Ashes of Creation.

[stray elm]

Same

Anyway.
My point was, while yes is 'technically' Wildcards fault. No questions asked.
I personally have given them the benefit of the doubt, due to them working on nothing bug a topdown dungeon-crawler game beforehand.

[olive garden]

Ark 2 only next gen ?

[split dove]

yes, only the current gen consoles (Xbox x/s PS5)

[cold vortex]

Will ark 2 have cross play with Xbox and pc?

[split dove]

it will have crossplay normally

[rough scaffold]

Um
You know fandom is no longer the official wiki and isn’t supported by any admins or wc themselves? And especially for lore, its pretty much the worst place to get any info

[untold ingot]

Not to mention, then new wiki just looks so much better lkl

[past wind]

Not confirmed to ps yet.

[past wind]

Bugged or not, I have “lost” 15k hours of my life on this game. Clearly worth my money.

And not considering the time with my secondary acc

[mint swan]

Ark is one of the games i enjoy that i dont finish within 24 hours and never touch it again, and those games are absolute masterpieces 👌

[fallow niche]

@mint swan #735196255483068497. This channel is for Ark2 specifically.

[clever vortex]

Honestly I prefer the look of the old wiki, especially with how the backgrounds of the creature icons were pastel circles, whereas the new wiki has these hideously oversaturated squares.

[stray elm]

@tropic crag @split dove @past wind Read through this whole post, and let me know what y'all think of this dumb theory.

[split dove]

Interesting 🧐

[placid atlas]

Is ark 2 going to be Xbox exclusive?

[bitter cargo]

yes

[placid atlas]

Because if so VIVA LA XBOX

[stray elm]

No, just Early-Access issues with Sony.

[placid atlas]

Oh ok

[stray elm]

It'll come out for Steam, and Xbox.

[bitter cargo]

okay dw ill make it xbox exclusive

[stray elm]

What about mod support. 😟

[bitter cargo]

its fine i can make it xbox exclusive

[stray elm]

How will that help mod supporty?

[bitter cargo]

dw i got it

[stray elm]

[lime forge]

This was long before any changes to the fandom

[past wind]

It's actually an Xbox Exclusive

But probably temporary, but it is exlcusive

[stray elm]

They call it that, but that's bullshit since it wouldn't be coming to steam then.

Exclusive means it's 'specifically' on that one platform it's exclusive to.
Demon-Souls is a PS exclusive, since it's on no other platforms but theirs.
ARK-2 releasing on both Xbox and Steam, kind of breaks that.

[dense ridge]

ark 2 gonna have cheaters day 1

[past wind]

Xbox exclusives are always Xbox consoles and PC.

It just means they are not coming to other consoles

[stray elm]

Yes, but most of the time of their own Windows store on PC.

[past wind]

sure, but it never meant games won't be on Steam

[stray elm]

It's already on steam

[past wind]

But again, it will probably come to PS and Switch eventualy

[stray elm]

That's the issue with this.

[past wind]

but not on the release

[past wind]

I know... I've already wishlisted LOL

My point is: officially they didn't announced for Playstation or Switch

[stray elm]

They've never stated this.
You really think they'll release the console version before the PC version, when one of their marketing points of ARK-2 is a PC exclusive feature?
I.E being able to port mods.

[stray elm]

Right.

[past wind]

I didn't say that. I said they announced it both WC and Microsoft as Xbox console exclusive

an Xbox exclusive title can be sold on PC on all PC stores

[stray elm]

Then it's not an Xbox exclusive, now is it?
It's just on PC and Xbox.

[past wind]

XBOX CONSOLE exclusive

it always have been that way...

MS owns Windows, they don't care if it comes to PC.

[stray elm]

No shit.
Think we're making more of a shitfest out of this then it should be.

[past wind]

My whole point was to say WC will not announce it for PS or Switch before early-access is finished. Both because MS made an agreement with them and because Sony doesn't allow to sell early-access games.

[stray elm]

Yes......that's.......what i said?

[tropic crag]

🤦‍♂️

[stray elm]

Am I being dumb, or is that not what I said?

[lament pagoda]

I think that they have confirmed that ARK 2 will be coming to PS soon after

might be a PS5 only one so you guys are still screwed

[chilly osprey]

It isn't. New gen only.

[tropic crag]

Yep, current gen only thank god. Also, you should change your bio 😬

[stray elm]

Oh no

I read their bio.

[tropic crag]

Mhm.

I know

[stray elm]

Did you also have a chance to read through my idiotic rant?

[tropic crag]

I glanced at it, had a few rough days though so didn't read the whole thing unfortunately

[stray elm]

Damn man, sorry to hear.
You wanna talk about it?

[tropic crag]

Nah, it's all good, just felt like shit, you know? The whole kit and caboodle

[stray elm]

Ahh, that type of rough days.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, not anything serious

[stray elm]

Yeah I get it.
Friend just got diagnosed with Covid today.
Hey had a few sniffles and coughs here and there.
Today he got tested, and right after it just BLASTED his immune-system, and now he's bed ridden.

Like, he's that type of sick that he almost sound unrecognizable on mic.

Basically, he looks like my pfp right now.

[tropic crag]

It can be pretty bad, I've heard. Thankfully, I wasn't hit too hard. My family is full of immunocompromised people, myself included lol

[stray elm]

Family and I got it once.

It's like every other Virus and effects everyone differently.

[tropic crag]

Yep

[deft saddle]

Would be a shame if a mod saw it

[stray elm]

Even though I should've had the same issues as my parents did. As I was exposed to it.
I only got a few sniffles, and a single horrible migraine.

[tropic crag]

Right?

[stray elm]

While my parents though, couldn't taste and where bedridden.

I'm also the kid that licked door-handles and dirt to "wanna know how it tasted" as a kid. So I'd say my immune-system is decently well.

[tropic crag]

I was roughly the same, just the bare minimum symptoms and such

But yeah, I think I'm gonna get some sleep, night y'all

[deft saddle]

Should i ping a mod

[stray elm]

Night!

[tropic crag]

Nah, if it becomes a problem then hit up Dodo Mail to have it handled, otherwise it is kinda their profile unfortunately and I don't know how the rules apply to bios

[stray elm]

You can still get banned if you refuse to change your bio, iir

[tropic crag]

Yeah, I would hope so for something so vile

But ye g'night lol

[hearty rover]

[hallow steeple]

uh.... the backgrounds are the same. it hasn't been changed.

[clever vortex]

It very much has. Have you not seen the new wiki?

[hallow steeple]

I did, I am an admin there. We've not changed any of the dino icons, their shadowing, or navbox icons yet.

[clever vortex]

I'll send you a picture of what I'm talking about.

[snow bone]

Ahhh yes ark 2 chat before the game actually comes out

Nice

[mint swan]

Ye? Is that so weird? Lmao

[split dove]

the devs do look at this chat from time to time

[mint swan]

they are watching us

[tropic forge]

if they are watching this chat for the pass couple weeks/months must be for laughs whit all the crap being talk here 🤣

[mint swan]

theres is no ark 2

only ark 1 Dlc called ark 2

Actual tamable tek giga would be cool. I don’t follow ark 2 much but i don’t think we have tek gigas in ark.

[mint swan]

moodddd

[fallow niche]

There are, just not enabled on officials.

This is a separate game though, not a dlc.

[mint swan]

nah I was just joking

I really hope they optimize that engine

[fallow niche]

It's a new engine, not ue4 like ark1

[mint swan]

and especcially performance and really start compressing

30GB update for a minor update on xbox is not acceptable

[split dove]

don't you usually get the storrage space back after the update? small updates are only like a few 100 mb in size, update size is mainly bc how big ark is atm

[fallow niche]

That's not just ark either, for instance PUBG basically requires you to download the entire 25gb game each time there is an update.

[fallow niche]

Yes its just changing files basically.

The massive updates for consoles is just consoles

[past wind]

To be fair, I used to play ark in 2015-2016 on a 250GB ssd. Now it’s impossible to have ark and all officials DLC in a drive smaller than 1TB. Ark alone has more than 500GB.

I know maps use a lot of space, but still.

[fallow niche]

They were talking about update sizes, not just ark.

Even updates for other games are still ridiculous in size, at some point it might just be consoles.

[past wind]

But look, my notebook has a 500GB, because of one of the updates I had to uninstall a map to finish it. 😖

[untold ingot]

They are usually pretty good at keeping download sizes really small, the actual patch might be bigger, but that's just rearranging files

[past wind]

Maybe that’s the price to have a lot of different/diverse/large maps.

[fallow niche]

It's a massive game. Even red dead 2 is around 200gb.

[past wind]

I hate to always talk about Atlas, but there, the 64 maps had a third of current Ark’s size.

I don’t know if it’s like comparing orange to apples.

[fallow niche]

Different company as well and newer version of the engine iirc.

[past wind]

But maybe there are new ways to deal with huge maps

[untold ingot]

Doesn't atlas have significantly less stuff though?

[fallow niche]

It'll probably be figured out in ark2.

[fallow niche]

Yes.

[past wind]

I hope for it

[past wind]

Land vs water is definitely lower

But I wouldn’t say it has less stuff

There are bigger and smaller islands on the map

I’m sure I’ve read somewhere one of the techs coming with Ark II is About maps

Will look into it later

[untold ingot]

On ue5?

[fallow niche]

Still comparing different games and companies, as well as different versions of the engine

[untold ingot]

Nanite and their new world partition technology should help a ton with rendering ingame, but it probably won't help the download size

[lavish sparrow]

Should I expect ark 2 to also take up 1/5 of my 2.5TB storage?

[untold ingot]

Not at the start at least

[mint swan]

No, expect 1/3 /j

[lavish sparrow]

ah

I guess I'll have to fill up my remaining M.2 slot

Games these days are fuckin massive

[mint swan]

The games YOU like are massive

I enjoy games from 10gb of space

[tropic crag]

As are storages, and just data in general. This is where the information age has brought us, get over it

[lavish sparrow]

I enjoy KovaaK's aim trainer and thats 5gb

[lavish sparrow]

?

[mint swan]

Fr, small games are underrated
Indie games overall

[lavish sparrow]

Get over what

[lavish sparrow]

KovaaK's aim trainer is for people who religiously aim train for competitive shooters

such as myself

[mint swan]

Its been 5 years and im still waiting for bendy and the ink machine spin-off

Another example: batim, small game, very enjoyable

[lavish sparrow]

Replayability though?

Indie game or not I judge games the same. No replayability? not for me

God of War has no replayability, not for me
Doom Eternal has close to no replayability, not for me

[fallow niche]

Back to ark2

[mint swan]

Replayability is indeed a problem, since indie games are more focused on telling their story than keeping the player playing. Though i like games like that more (fe: ark, nms) i find their story even more interesting

[mint swan]

Oop sorry

[stray elm]

Anyway, about my life.

[fallow niche]

Unless ark2 is your life

[stray elm]

[lavish sparrow]

I want ark 2 to be my life

I really don't want wildcard to fuck this up

4 years isn't much time

Like, for all I know it could end up like those shitty kickstarter games

[mint swan]

Cough cough nms launch cough

But they did improve their game though, hopefully if that happens ark II will do that too

[lavish sparrow]

No

thats not how any AAA game should be

It should be playable and somewhat enjoyable when made public

[past wind]

Ark I was released before it had an year of development

[mint swan]

Thats why i said if

[lavish sparrow]

And look at the state it was in

And look what that 1 year of development has lead the game to be

[past wind]

I had lots of fun back then

[stray elm]

[lavish sparrow]

a buggy unoptimized game

It's fun though

But 1 right doesn't make 2 wrongs okay

[past wind]

But if you want something finished, never buy an early-access

[lavish sparrow]

Devs always use the "early access" barrier to protect them from criticism

[past wind]

Well, they are telling you it’s not finished 😂

[lavish sparrow]

Unless you have maybe 5 devs spending a lot of their day actively talking to their community as if they were a regular person taking feedback then its not a good excuse

[mint swan]

No developer does that, early access is meant so they can get feedback

[past wind]

It’s not really an excuse. It’s just how it is

[lavish sparrow]

Then they should go extra lengths to get actual feedback

From a larger amount of people

[south lance]

i mean community manager is supposed to do that tmk

[past wind]

See, people here want it to be released ASAP, but also want it to be feature complete

[south lance]

cms do drop by in discord every now and then

[lavish sparrow]

1 person?

[south lance]

theres 2 ive seen

[lavish sparrow]

Who briefly reads the chat?

2 people then

[south lance]

dollie and blue

[lavish sparrow]

I have only seen 1 person talk here

[south lance]

its better than 0 tbf

[past wind]

How do you know they aren’t collecting feedback? (Legit question)

[lavish sparrow]

I never said they weren't

I'm just saying it seems a little of a low priority

There are so many complaints about the "third person only" gameplay

[split dove]

tbf the ark community cries about some of the smallest things aswell

[south lance]

its probably because discord feedback is generally garbage since if they do become active theyll be answering the same questions for months on end

[past wind]

How do you know? To collect community feedback they don’t need to really talk here

[lavish sparrow]

Either they have gone too far with the gameplay and ideas to go back or they are absolutely certain that their third person only gameplay is spot on

[lavish sparrow]

like releasing DLC

[past wind]

“Many” complaints is subjective

[lavish sparrow]

Yet they say nothing about f2p games with cosmetic purchases

[stray elm]

[south lance]

we still have people telling the devs to fix ark1 instead of make ark2

[split dove]

fixing ark 1 would take much longer and isn't as profitable

[lavish sparrow]

Ark community is braindead

[south lance]

and its been like 2 years since they announced the game

[mint swan]

"Noooo, there is no evo this weekend 😭😭"

[split dove]

that we can agree on

[lavish sparrow]

Anyone with more than 2 brain cells can figure out how stupid + toxic the ark community is

Specifically the PvP community

[split dove]

pvp the most

[minor prism]

One of us one of us

[lavish sparrow]

Finding a tribe on PVP clusters that isnt super toxic is hell

[mint swan]

I hate pvp for 1 reason: People who are braindead enough to kill peeps who have nothing and give no reward at all

[south lance]

nature of grind heavy game that favors people without lives tbh

[lavish sparrow]

😅

I dont target naked people

[split dove]

pvp is your free lesson to learn chinese

[lavish sparrow]

I just kill one if I see them

I never know what they could have that could fuck me over

[mint swan]

but for some reason People with a lvl 450 bloodstalker do

[past wind]

We will have to wait to understand why they choose to follow that path. I think it was a design choice to fit the new gameplay.

[lavish sparrow]

I dont know their level or if they are ACTUALLY naked

[south lance]

on god i took spanish in hs just to learn how to speak with Spanish ark players tho this was back when i played mobile

[fallow niche]

Probably can switch that to #pvp-discussion

[lavish sparrow]

I dont target I kill them if I see them

[mint swan]

It was YOU!

[lavish sparrow]

Why did wildcard bother with ark mobile

[fallow niche]

They didnt

[south lance]

they didnt

[fallow niche]

It was another company

[lavish sparrow]

Bother with the idea

[fallow niche]

Back to ark 2

[lavish sparrow]

Ark 2 mobile when

[fallow niche]

Or move to #general or #ark-survival-ascended

[south lance]

i think they are consulting the same company for ark2m

idr where the tweet was that mentioned it, if it even exists

[split dove]

they were looking for somebody to make ark 2, no answer on who/when will make it yet iirc

[deft saddle]

phone explodes

[south lance]

i thought the company was confirmed to be grovestreet

[split dove]

portable bomb

[fallow niche]

Confirmed info should be in the pins

[south lance]

it was in a tweet 😩

[lavish sparrow]

The same ones that made Atlas?

[south lance]

no atlas is from wc

[lavish sparrow]

WC had a part

[mint swan]

Ye but what if we remove everything and make it a pixel game

[lavish sparrow]

Anyways Atlas is a fucking abomination

[fallow niche]

Atlas is from their sister company...

Not wildcard.

[south lance]

oh

[lavish sparrow]

yea

Which is probably why it turned out so terrible

[fallow niche]

We dont know what ark2 will be like, if you'd like to rant about other games move to #general

[lavish sparrow]

Bro chill on the off topic warnings

This is in general about Ark 2, I'm not about to start a whole other convo completely unrelated

[fallow niche]

You haven't had a warning

[lavish sparrow]

Will ark 2 have fortnite pvp

Think about it
building
third person

[fallow niche]

😶

[lavish sparrow]

Arknite 2

[fallow niche]

[past wind]

Anyway, anyone knows when WC guys will be live from pax? I will watch hoping to see any hints about Ark 2.

[lavish sparrow]

I doubt there will be any

[stray elm]

PAX starts at 10:00AM Pacific

[split dove]

iirc it should be 12:00 pacific time

[past wind]

How about WC live?

[past wind]

Thanks. Today?

[stray elm]

What?

[split dove]

yh

[past wind]

Wc Will talk about Ark on Switch

And I’m hoping they can talk about Ark II

[stray elm]

You mean Wildcard?

[past wind]

Yeah

[split dove]

keep your ark 2 news expectations to extra life, maybe some info on the carchar today as a bonus

[stray elm]

Since we still haven't seen gameplay of ARK-2.
I'm more looking forward to the Scorched ascension.

[lavish sparrow]

wait

theres going to be one?

[split dove]

yh with switch revamp update

[lavish sparrow]

So is the revamp gonna come to other platforms too?

[stray elm]

We don't know

[lavish sparrow]

so last gen potato boxes can run it beyond 20fps 900p

[split dove]

the ascencion will come to other platforms later on

[stray elm]

We only know the Scorched ascension will be, but the revamp?
We don't know.

[stray elm]

Was it confirmed to be 'later on?'

[fallow niche]

Yep

[split dove]

iirc jeremy stieglitz tweeted about it

[stray elm]

May I ask where?

[fallow niche]

Either the crunch or one of the tweets, hang on I'll go find it again

[split dove]

should be one of jeremys recent tweets

[untold ingot]

Hmm, the talking about people killing beach bobs brings up another point regarding cryos and skins in ark2. Since it is possible to entirely hide your armor/inventory any Bob on the beach could have a capped giga or a full flak suit with a comp bow or tek bow or whatever. It makes ark2 very high risk low reward, just because you can't see the other person's kit. So a beach bob could very well be as dangerous as a tek suite and you wouldn't know it. So you kind of are forced to kill them when you see them. If cryos are removed, the hand held inventory is shown on the players hit box, and armor is visible, then it would make the game safer for people, and would possibly make it so that bobs aren't killed as much

[stray elm]

"FYI ARK Nintendo Switch WILL be getting Ascension for ScorchedEarth. We'll also be adding that cinematic & all of the new story/cinematic/voice content, to all the other platforms of ARK later this year!"
The wording of this could also easily mean the whole Ascension is coming out 'later this year'

[fallow niche]

I did find it and was about to send it lol

Either way not ark2

[stray elm]

Shush on your gatekeeping.

[fallow niche]

[stray elm]

[split dove]

🍿

[stray elm]

[fallow niche]

Back to ark2

[fallow niche]

Argua with raq 😂

Please ark2.

[untold ingot]

Ark2 topic of the day: fixing visuals to improve the lives of beach bobs in ark2

[stray elm]

Would it be ARK-2 related if i said "my toes are fucking freezing, but I'm thinking of ARK-2?"

[fallow niche]

[split dove]

pegos and itchtys should not be in ark 2

[untold ingot]

So you think that getting rid of cryos and skins hiding suits of armor wouldn't help?

[split dove]

just hold a torch -__-

[stray elm]

Hope there's sabertooths in ARK-2, then I can warm up my frostbitten toes.

[split dove]

the aratai leader of the first ark 2 trailer was wearing a sabertooth skull sooooo

[untold ingot]

Good point

[stray elm]

Meh, could mean they're also extinct.

[split dove]

true

[untold ingot]

Hate to break it to you, they already are extinct lol

[stray elm]

Not if we bring them back.

[untold ingot]

Yeah that's a valid point. So if one area of the map was structured so that any big base is not viable, do you think bobs would be safe there?

[flint palm]

There needs to be some offline raid protection and a time window for PVP.

[untold ingot]

Well removing the whole capped flak == 60x better than basic flak could help with that

Orp is too exploitable, and having a pvp designated time favors certain timezones over others so it's not great

[flint palm]

Maybe make buildings harder to destroy. Make variable damage depending on how well crafted the seige weapon is made.

[untold ingot]

I could go for something like that

[flint palm]

The time zone solution would be to make servers per time zone.

[untold ingot]

I just don't see that helping though

Orp in general, like wipes is just not a fix to a pvp community

[flint palm]

Pvp on Conan:Exiles was like that.

[untold ingot]

It's a massive change to the game, with minimal improvements, and loads of possible issues

[untold ingot]

Hmm, maybe, but just look at the numbers of people playing Conan pvp compared to ark

[flint palm]

Yeah, I'm not sure how many people still play it.

[untold ingot]

What works for Conan might not work for ark just because it has a much smaller playerbasr

I mean, comparing the variety of options possible, there is no game ever made that matches ark lol

There is a huge amount of variety in ark1, that honestly the only thing I see causing ark2 issues is if it doesn't have as much variety

Rust is comparable in small part only to frequent wipe high rate servers

I hope it is not like the current state

I would love to see it become more intricate and difficult to do

[split dove]

even if mutations are still a thing, actually having a working cap would be nice

[untold ingot]

Having breeding actually be genome based would be cool

Bring in an evolutionary biologist to get tips or ideas on how to make it or something lol

I feel like that has been brought up before, and I think something along those lines would be cool

[split dove]

the skill tree could also be passed down to babies for dinos if there is one?

[untold ingot]

I think a Dino skill tree would have to be divided into two parts, hereditary and training, for that to work

I think a breed limit would be great for game play. Having to constantly tame wild dinos to continue breeding operations would be a cool new feature

[split dove]

would also help with lowering the afk in bases breeding

[untold ingot]

Hmm, as far as the number of dinos per tribe, that is already an issue, and yeeting dinos into bases with 0 care for them already happens. I raise almost every egg I hatch, just to have a huge amount of throwaway stuff, and as added security

There needs to be some way of Dino storage I think, but having loads of throwaway dinos is always a thing for anyone who wants them

If one tribe is throwing away old useless breeders, then I fail to see how that makes an issue really

[mint swan]

One of my biggest issues with ark 1 is the bigger tribes are simply impossible to take down

There's nothing you can do against their tames

[untold ingot]

That is always going to be a thing. Bigger tribes will have the advantage against smaller tribes or solos in 99% of all situations

I mean, that's a good point. But throwing a tamed female Dino against someone's bred op line or base really won't get anywhere so I don't see it being an issue

[tropic crag]

Why the fuck can't I emoji this shit

[blissful perch]

I’m debating how much context I want to read

Ok, so it’s as I thought: I agree with your outcome and not your reasoning

Breeding limits that require additions of “fresh” wild tames just sound like a weird hoop to jump through that neither slows things down much or makes things more fun/balanced. So I dislike em

Yep, on that we agree

Yes, and the snow owl emoji was about the throwaway tames thing

Because throwaway tames are the backbone of what makes PvP accessible

If everyone is petrified to lose anything, they won’t engage in PvP

One could argue all the rejects during mutation stacking are throwaways are they not? Or any of the non capped creatures you breed along the way

So why wouldn’t these also be culled?

I mean you do lose the time it took to tame or raise them, like any other tame

One can argue the same for a male 2 points under cap after you got the capped male

It doesn’t, and that’s the point I’m making

I can take 10 reject paracers that I raised on the way to capping a line and soak a base and do what sounds like the same thing you describe in ark 1

And I don’t see that as a problem, because it’s a low cost and low quality raid

Alright, so the logic tracks until the end here. I see no issue with having tames being thrown at a base that have no value to the owner. There’s a benefit curve to extra/spare tames that’s going to favor low cost raids due to basic logistics principles regardless of how said tames become seen as “spare”

Because you’ll almost never raid someone if you think the cost is too high

Large tribes will often have the “meh” mentality for lost tames when they initiate raids, because the benefit of cracking some bases just isn’t that high

Your argument implies you don’t want offensive raiding to be comparatively low cost to be seen as a trivial choice

However, some choices will always be treated like this. Tiny irrelevant bases, or ones with very little reward for raiding them will only be raided if the cost of doing so is viewed as extremely low

Right now one could argue it’s too high for many players, since the common soakers and gear requires access to lines or BPs. And ofc more established tribes have had more time to grind mats and spare tames so they will always have “more available to throw away”

If your goal is to disincentivize raiding 1x1 bases, the concept of throwaway tames is not the one to concern yourself with, because that’s inevitable as tribes become more established

If you want to make people reluctant to raid every tiny bob hut, you probably want to make it logistically irritating to raid, for example removing cryopods so people have to schlep tames across the map

Right now you can bring a raid party of spare throwaway tames in your pocket. Unless cryopod systems get a hard look, that’s happening in ark 2, regardless of Raq’s suggestion

My disagreement with Raq’s suggestion is that it just adds complication but doesn’t change balance or gameplay in any tangible way as far as I can see

Right, the discussion here has been to swing your thinking towards what I see as the actual underlying cause of the correct issue you’re concerned with (which is raiding being so low cost for folks that everyone who isn’t massive gets wiped)

That “awful” is what keeps PvP servers alive imo

You misunderstood I think lol. That long horrible slog is what protects small bases with hardly anything in em. People can survive longer on PvP servers because it’s an annoying hassle to bring a tame over to wipe all the tiny pointless beach huts

I’d enjoy a way to do that, but idk if that’s possible lol

For ark 1, I considered requiring you to transfer at an obelisk and you can only transfer a tame back to the same map from the same obelisk. So transfers couldn’t be used to move things around the map

[spare bluff]

Dude if this game has it where it takes hours to move a Dino then no one will play it lol that’s pve

[stray elm]

Yeah, not looking forward to transporting tames miles across the map again.

[spare bluff]

Fr

That’s I’ll be pointless

And it will be harder to raid without cryo pods if the base is like a crouch spot or something

Like it already takes hours just to raid a base

[stray elm]

Well, that's 'if' crouch spot bases are going to be a thing

[spare bluff]

Ye

But I saw some people talking about ark 1 also

[stray elm]

Also for PvP, I can see the point since you'd be able to see people from miles away before they raid you, being able to prepare.
For PvE though, it'll be a inconvenience.

[tropic crag]

Crouch bases and the like are not going to be a thing, I think it's safe to say

[spare bluff]

Alr welp nice friendly talk boys ima go cya 😁

[split dove]

👋

[stray elm]

"You can ask her about ARK-2, she 'may' have something"

[next pier]

Is ark 2 gonna be a free roam?

[stray elm]

Okay, so ARK-2 is either as or even less survival-like then ARK-1.

[iron sequoia]

Yeaa…..

[quiet shore]

Not too sure about that

[stray elm]

Neither am i.

One of my biggest issues with ARK-2 being primitive, was the fear of it being basically ARK-1 type of survival.
A more primitive setting needs more hazards and survival features to make it entertaining.

[quiet shore]

Well there is the Aratai and events

[rough scaffold]

Scary magical tek in ark2

[quiet shore]

Why are they talking about Thor lmao

[stray elm]

They're talking how mystical tek-structures are going to be in ARK-2

Basically a "beyond our comprehension" type of thing.

[stray elm]

Sure, but they're for combat.
Not pure survival.

[rough scaffold]

Brontos confirmed?

[stray elm]

They've been confirmed

[rough scaffold]

Before this?

[stray elm]

ARK-2 trailer.

The end showed bronto's off in the distance.

(first trailer, note)

[rough scaffold]

Does that really confirm brontos tho?

[stray elm]

"YES!!"

[rough scaffold]

Couldve just been another similar looking dino

[quiet shore]

Water Confirmed!!!!!

[stray elm]

Seeing how there's no other sauropod that large in ARK-1, and even on the Genesis-ship. Nor do they even have any Brachi's on any ARK.
It's pretty damn obvious.

[rough scaffold]

I just feel like thats assuming too much

[fallow niche]

Those are brachios

[stray elm]

Bronto's that've been redesigned.

[fallow niche]

I really don't think so

[stray elm]

I really think so.

[fallow niche]

It's a brachi

[stray elm]

Sure.
A bronto that looks like a brachi.

Like how Utah-Raptors look more like Pyro-raptors.

[fallow niche]

We have a 50/50 chance of being right, we'll just stay friends and not argue

[stray elm]

Nah, they're brontos.

[fallow niche]

[quiet shore]

That's a Diplo

[stray elm]

True.

[blissful surge]

so anyway ark 2 when

[stray elm]

2023

[quiet shore]

December 31st

[blissful surge]

2025?

[quiet shore]

3124

[blissful surge]

oh 5534?

[tropic crag]

Those are definitely brachios in the first trailer, you trippin brah

[mint swan]

Possibly delayed to 5539, to make the finishing touches

[dry ingot]

Dec 21s 2023 then pushed back to May 22 2024, then pushed back to dec 22 2025

Fact check me. I’ll wait.

[split dove]

it's already pushed back to 2023

[dry ingot]

Ok let me change dates lol

[blissful surge]

gotta get all them bugs!

[ripe cedar]

thanks Jeremy for giving many ark 2 hints

[hallow wasp]

I’m so thirsty for this game to release

Everyday seems longer and longer waiting for the ever waited ark 2

[untold ingot]

As far as if those are brontos or brachios, it was an early trailer. There is no guarantee that anything from the trailer actually carries over

[tropic crag]

That doesn't change them being brachios, to be fair

[ripe cedar]

Jeremy saying trying to make the combat less cheese able

and also developing more dynamic systems for the music

[tropic crag]

(Which they certifiably are)

[ripe cedar]

I am just going YES!!

[split dove]

we got a bit of everything today

[ripe cedar]

I did not recognize Jeremy at all though lol

[split dove]

same

[tropic crag]

Mans been on a mission, no time for a haircut

I know that feel

[ripe cedar]

you are talking about Jesse

[tropic crag]

Ah, fair

I didn't honestly watch it yet, lol

Just saw like shitty quality screenshots of it

[stray elm]

They're 100% brachi's.
But they're going to be called 'bronto's'

Like how the raptors in ARK-2 look more like pyroraptors then utah-raptors.

[tropic crag]

They may be pyroraptors, how do you know? 🤔

[stray elm]

Excited to see what they mean of the new tek design.
Apparently, it's less "sci-fi" and more "A power far beyond human comprehension, and both to be love and fear"

So, you know.
Just like if someone from hundreds of years in the future made something out of a alien resource, then dropped it in the 21st century.

[tropic crag]

I REALLY need to watch this stream, don't I? 😅

[stray elm]

Yeah.
ARK-2 is also going to be less survival and more combat based.

Or, less survival in the food and hunger sense.

[tropic crag]

Good, thank god