ark-2

[past wind]

Yeah, and for ark 2 I hope they can balance that

[untold ingot]

Uh, no. Meta usually implies that it isnt a glitch and you can do it legitimately

[past wind]

Not too easy, not too hard

[blissful perch]

A meta can be softer or harder in how hard you have to adhere to it but idk what meta is built on being “variable”

[fiery wedge]

That's just the result of the devs trying to make the game more accessible to newer/smaller tribes or just easier of an experience in general

[past wind]

Unlimited weight on quetzals. Dead bodies with unlimited weight. And other stuff I Don’t remember. 😂

[mighty lion]

The wheel didnt spin, it kinda just slid, and it was a server crash machine or so I've been told.

[untold ingot]

That is a very high expectation, to have the game balanced for players with 1000s of hours of gametime in. Early on I expect the game to be hard, but very quickly people will learn how to do it and make the game super easy

[past wind]

Man, all I ask: please don’t make me wait a whole day to tame a trike.

[fiery wedge]

The grind was real what can I say

[past wind]

By trike I mean whatever will be the early game tame I will need 😂

[fiery wedge]

Those month long giga raises were great wdym

[untold ingot]

I dont want that either lol, but being able to get the stuff to beat endgame bosses and farm endgame levels in the first day or two really ruins the experience

[fiery wedge]

Plus no maewings or Tek troughs 😏

[past wind]

I lost months of my life

[fiery wedge]

And a meat stack of 20

[south lance]

How were wipe servers before gen1/2

Arkpoc and stuff

[past wind]

No crios, when the eggs hatched, you would need straight eleven hours of feeding gigas by hands

[untold ingot]

It would be nice to have a set of skills like taming skill or something like that, so that at early levels you can easily tame early game stuff without it taking too much time, and as you level the skill it becomes easier and less time consuming to tame more mid/endgame tames

[south lance]

Or rather how were they before extinction

[untold ingot]

Oh the misery lol

[fiery wedge]

Toss those viy he's in the water bby

Wtf is auto correct

[past wind]

Until I learnt that I was miserable already

[untold ingot]

I was staring at that for a bit, and was completely confused lol

[fiery wedge]

Lol

[past wind]

I mean the the original time needed between early and end game

After some DLCs I’m sure it will become easier

[untold ingot]

I think it should take at least 100 hours to level up to endgame, and that is a low expectation.

[south lance]

How long did it take to reach endgame before extinction/genesis

[past wind]

If the mechanics are similar, we will evolve fast

[blissful perch]

noteruns

[past wind]

But they can surprise was, I they will

We will see

[untold ingot]

Good point. I have no real idea lol. I came into ark at the drop of extinction and did note runs to get to like 98 in all of like 2 hours my first week in the game

[lime forge]

That’s a lot of time dedicated to leveling

[untold ingot]

But I had been watching videos

[past wind]

I don’t know, but it was harder

People used to take a lot of time to prepare and summon the spider

[untold ingot]

Well, considering that most people put that much time in during the course of like a month, I dont feel like it is too much

[south lance]

Cause extinction inflated element so tek suddenly became way cheaper, idrk how gen1 affected ark speedrun

Gen2 inflated all resources and fucked any sense of scarcity which is neat

[untold ingot]

Until they used the procop shotgun and did it like 3 minutes after starting over again lol

[past wind]

I mean in 2015

There wasn’t an arena

[south lance]

Hm

[past wind]

Rexes were 💩

[untold ingot]

Ark 2 will not be 2015 ark. I dont understand why it would even be comparable

[blissful perch]

Tbh good. Resources shouldn’t be the bulk of the grind, I’d rather be out in the world doing other stuff as much as possible, with just enough resource grind to make me value my items

[past wind]

I don’t know: primitive + not a lot of creatures + new mechanics + not finished

[south lance]

Its defo not bad but i dont think ark drastically improved and just signriciantly changed to become far more tek focused than before

[untold ingot]

If there are not higher tier blueprints requiring a boatload of resources per, I dont see why mass farming should be a thing lol

[past wind]

It will take some time to “explore” the whole game, just the first one when in alpha

[past wind]

I’m pretty sure they already covered some kind of bp system 🤔

[blissful perch]

I think tek was underused by casual players and with newer maps tek became more accessible for them, which I see as ok

[past wind]

It’s in the Steam description I think

[untold ingot]

Ark 2015 was made by a couple people in like 7 months. Ark2 has had 2 years of being designed and built by a much bigger team

[south lance]

I suppose that could be the case

[past wind]

It was hard to use when the only source of elements were bosses

With extinction it became too easy

[untold ingot]

Say that to the guys who based scorched and ended up with as much ele as people on extinction lol

[south lance]

🤨

[past wind]

Glitches again lol

The manticore was far too easy to kill

[untold ingot]

No, gigas in the wyvern trench, and rexes in the arena.

No need for glitches

[fiery wedge]

Bro you have a skill issue if you have to glitch everything to farm it 😂

[past wind]

So, do you think ark 2 will be feature complete when released on early access?

I mean, the basics

[south lance]

Basics will probably be fleshed out tbh, at most we might see a progression revamp as they get more player feedback

[fiery wedge]

Probably

[past wind]

Not what I meant. I’m just saying some bosses were more exploitable than others.

[south lance]

The team is good at pumping out content, just not that great at figuring out if they should

endless meta shittery

[past wind]

If you guys think Ark 2 will come more content complete, they will have more time for the other stuff

[blissful perch]

Content IS the “other stuff”

[past wind]

Also, UE5 May help with the most common issues (just a guess)

[exotic ruin]

Ark 2 will be the animated series and a story mode garbage game

[untold ingot]

What I do know is that it wont be anything like 2015 ark

[past wind]

Isn’t he talking about mesh holes, balance etc?!

[blissful perch]

He’s talking game mechanics and overall design from what I read

[past wind]

Hopefully, but not like after extinction, please

[untold ingot]

I honestly dont think it will be like anything we have seen in ark 1. It isnt a dlc to ark1. Hopefully it has the same feel as ark, but it is a totally different game

[exotic ruin]

Ark 2 just needs to be good yeh?

Make it a open world server based game like ark 1 and don’t screw up too bad with “game changing” enhancements to pvp pve whatever

[fiery wedge]

It is open world

It's a open world pvp survival game

[slate pelican]

I have 8k+ Hours in Ark but I'm on the fence about Ark 2. I'm waiting to see proper gameplay but from what they've given us so far. I am heavily on the fence about it. A Ark sequel shouldn't be an entirely different game. It should be just a huge improvement

[exotic ruin]

Idc what ark 2 is gonna be like as long as it’s recognizable to ark 1 in the way the game operates

And not a story mode game

[fiery wedge]

Don't say that in here you'll attract the cretins

[slate pelican]

wym?

[fiery wedge]

I stg half the people here would defend them if they said they're making it a story based singleplayer game with minimal survival aspects

[slate pelican]

Lol if that is what we get the game will die lmao

[exotic ruin]

The pve community hypes up the devs anyways and that’s probably the best outcome for pve players is a story mode game so they’ll deliver

[slate pelican]

Ark is Rust but with Dinosaurs, if its strays from that its a dead game launch month lmao. It would be like them making Rust 2 but making Rust 2 a focussed story mode game

[exotic ruin]

😂

Could not picture a story mode rust game

[slate pelican]

Imagine lmao

[exotic ruin]

You could probably get the same experience from a RP server

Ew

[fiery wedge]

By hard do you mean more grindy or more skill requiring?

[slate pelican]

I'm okay with them making PVE content, and revamping the PVE aspects of the game. But so long as PVP is focussed and as important because Ark is a PVP game. Its the sole reason why the game is not mega dead

I don't want the game to be more of a PVE game than a PVP game

[fiery wedge]

Apparently there's more PvE players than PvP

On steam at least

On Xbox PvE is dead as shit

That mf was definitely lying about Xbox 💀

Unless he counts singleplayer

[untold ingot]

I think he was counting sp too, but I really dont know

[fiery wedge]

Should singleplayer even be counted though?

[untold ingot]

Why not?

[fiery wedge]

People might just play it because of internet issues or other reasons

[untold ingot]

From a game dev perspective sp players are as much of the market as official pvp players

[fiery wedge]

That and people go into singleplayer all the time to test things and don't actually "play" it

I know I do

Has the way they count things even been shown to us?

[untold ingot]

Yeah, there is that. But a not insignificant number of people do play singleplayer, and I feel like more would if it was more stable and userfriendly

I do want to see a strong pvp game, but it cant come at the expense of pve and sp

[fiery wedge]

PvE doesn't really suffer from the changes pvp makes to the game

Neither does sp

Sure I guess it's easier to not die to wild stuff. But the difference in difficulty in PvE that comes from using a pteranodon compared to using a wyvern isn't much.

👍

Those op Astro balls that broke turrets

And didn't get shot

That was one of the easiest to do because they're easy af to get

[slate pelican]

Hey boys if Ark 2 fails I'll catch you on Ark 1 PVP or Rust

[fiery wedge]

Oh hell nah if ark 2 dies I ain't continuing to play ark 1

[untold ingot]

Those are good points. And I really do hope they plan a little bit more for the pvp side of the game

[fiery wedge]

There are PC cheaters on Xbox official that have scripts to join

[slate pelican]

I don't touch Official anyway

been there done that for years

[fiery wedge]

Official is better than every dedi on Xbox tbh

Ik on steam you got hella cheaters tho

[slate pelican]

I believe it I stopped playing xbox when I built my pc in 2019

[fiery wedge]

My PC is too ass to run anything nowadays lol

It used to handle ark fine but it's just an old PC so...

[valid jungle]

Lol you guys gnna buy ark 2?

[fiery wedge]

Yeah

[fallen blade]

when it comes out

[untold ingot]

I am going to get it, but I am still up in the air if I want to try pvp on it

[stray elm]

It's coming out for gamepass day-one, so i don't see why i wont.

[lime forge]

As soon as it’s available for purchase

[old hemlock]

How’s ark two combat gonna be?

[lime forge]

Similar to dark souls

[old hemlock]

Like elden ring

[lime forge]

The actual details are in the top pinned post

Not sure. I never played it.

I know it’s dark souls style combat, with breath of the wild/assassin creedish terrain navigation.

[old hemlock]

Dude even console players will be able to use mods

[stray elm]

Yep

[lime forge]

Yep. I’m curious to see how consoles perform with mods.

[stray elm]

I'm personally not worried about performance. I'm wondering the limitations.

One reason why modding isn't on Xbox much, is due to modding communities known for......'NSFW' based stuff.
If this system is working how i'm thinking, any mod made on PC will be able to be downloadble on Console.
So it makes me wonder how they'll deal with 'those' type of mods.

[deft saddle]

Tbf

I haven't really seen a NSFW ark mod

[stray elm]

Do i have a story for you, then!

[lime forge]

I’m not worried about mods in general. Just curious. I’m more interested to see what tame leveling and performance look like.

[deft saddle]

uh oh

[lime forge]

Like are they gonna have skills and trees like players or will it be different.

[stray elm]

True

[deft saddle]

Ark 2 seems to be more rpg

Which is cool ig

[fiery wedge]

I have 😭

[fiery wedge]

Mod.io (or whatever it's called) allows you to use mods from the steam workshop

[stray elm]

Right.

[fiery wedge]

Which is what ark 2 will use

[stray elm]

Right.
How will that stop NSFW mods?

[fiery wedge]

Isn't steam regulated?

[stray elm]

As much as Wildcard regulates official

So 'yes but actually no'

[fiery wedge]

Then I guess it'll exist

[wispy sierra]

did you know that line is actually good guess but actually no in the original

[stray elm]

I do, yes.

And the line was delivered a lot more blander then my brain imagines.

[wispy sierra]

also, weird how it isn't even a line in the film it was some obscure promo

[gentle night]

Pretty sure it’s in the film

[bright trellis]

good thing is nobody gonna buy ark 2 bcs ark is broken asf

[lime forge]

So many people are gonna buy it. The second it’s up for pre order, no delay.

[torn blade]

Anyone know if ark2 will be compatible with the xbox one x

I can't find any info anywhere

[tropic crag]

Highly doubt it, current gen only, I hope

[sonic elbow]

Definitely not.

[blissful perch]

Pretty sure it’s confirmed next gen

[marble ember]

Only next gen

[blissful perch]

The number one thing people rage post about here is that ark 2 isn’t the same as ark 1. They want a bug free cheater free ark 1 and dislike that ark 2 came out instead

[split dove]

at the core it will still be the same, unless they do a screw you kind of sequel. wich they are according to them

[split dove]

''we want a ark 1 remake in unreal 5, make the same game but with pretty graphics and less bugs'' by that time we will have ark 3 before they can finish a whole remake

[blissful perch]

We’ll have ark 3 before those folks run out of copium to inhale

[split dove]

you can tell them why meshing exists and how it isn't just a easy click and fix, if it was an oversight they probably would have already removed most if it wasn't intertwined with the base code. but i digress. still wouldn't change

[blissful perch]

I don’t bother with that argument at this point…since the counter argument is “just rebuild the game but don’t change anything, don’t worry it’ll totally sell well”

[split dove]

just take a look at those other remakes but with better graphics, at the end of the day it's still the same product

[blissful perch]

A remaster for a long past game can be excellent. But ark isn’t in that boat lol

[split dove]

if it were 20 years ago it would probably not be that bad of a idea

[blissful perch]

I think ark remaster for my kid’s generation would be fantastic

[lime forge]

I hope my kids never know what trials and tribulations Ark 1 brings

[split dove]

''see son, this is where i went mentally insane when i was your age 👴 ''

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 remaster can have the grind worked out and possibly not have the same taming system lol and still be a remaster. Maybe by then this genre will have figured out PvP

[lime forge]

“Daddy why are you so angry all the time?”

[blissful perch]

Have em play unofficial and suddenly their fun improves 😂

[lime forge]

Wakes up at 4 am on a school night and sees kid playing Ark

[blissful perch]

Let’s not pretend gaming will suddenly grow kinder or less addictive

[lime forge]

Calls off work, calls kid off school, log in and defends my kids base

[blissful perch]

I’d rather they learn a valuable lesson

Get good or die 😂

[lime forge]

Nah man. We’re family

[blissful perch]

Plot of ark 2 incoming

[tropic forge]

"war, war never changes us, we move to new places to consume and destroy everything.... a vicious cycle"

[tropic crag]

You mean current gen 😉

[sharp garnet]

@tropic forge Words of wisdom

[blissful perch]

Pretty common feature of an unchecked living organism

Although war isn’t about rampant consumption - it’s about competition. Again, nothing new for life on earth. Just pointless when you have the intellect to trade and make peace instead

[lime forge]

Todays Ark 2 Topic:
Biome distribution and your thoughts on it.

[blissful perch]

Depends on fliers. Should I assume ark 1 fliers?

[lime forge]

Assume as you wish

[untold ingot]

Fliers are already in the game, we saw pts in one of the trailers

Of course that was awhile ago, so it could have changed

[split dove]

they were in both cinematic trailers

[blissful perch]

I meant the current ark 1 strong fliers

[split dove]

#FlyerNerfforARK2

[untold ingot]

Heeeey, it's not just me 😂😂😂

[lime forge]

-10 points from channel for daily topic deviation.

[split dove]

i don't want ark 2 having a easy mode after taming any flier

[untold ingot]

I don't think biome distribution should vary all that frequently

[blissful perch]

Assuming ark 1 fliers and gliders, biomes should vary between flier friendly open expanses and flier closed or flier hostile environments such as closed canopy forests with hostile arboreal threats or noxious fumes that force you to use specific adapted creatures

[untold ingot]

One of the biggest reasons I don't like rag and ci is how fast the biomes just randomly change

[lime forge]

I like that. I also like the idea of certain creatures being better adapted and more useful in certain environments or under certain conditions.

[blissful perch]

Biomes should feel large (as determined by player travel times…so flier hostile zones being smaller might make sense for example) but contain points of interest that allow players to navigate

[untold ingot]

Although, the island is guilty of it as well

[lime forge]

Agreed. I don’t like being able to see obvious dividing lines.

[blissful perch]

If you’re grounded on any of those maps the biomes feel massive. This is the crux of my issue

[untold ingot]

Most ark1 maps feel like they are just a bunch of biomes just patched together

Except gen2 of course

[lime forge]

How about biome counts? For example a map will have 1 red forest, 1 swamp, 1 tundra etc.

[blissful perch]

I enjoyed every map’s biomes except genesis 2. The sameness was hard to navigate and was extremely dull

[untold ingot]

I have to disagree, I think gen2 did the best job with biomes out of basically any ark map

[blissful perch]

All three of them 🧠

[lime forge]

I agree. As good as it was for everything else it was all very similar with only 2 real biomes.

[blissful perch]

I think Ab did the best, followed closely by extinction

[untold ingot]

Irl biomes feel big, and for the most part are the same

[blissful perch]

I’d say space is a comfortable third. Don’t want to feel unfair

[blissful perch]

Categorically false…most biomes on earth are a combination of static climate conditions and geologic conditions, which most if not all biomes have variation within those limits

[lime forge]

Do you guys think maps will be divided like Ark 1 or just one big map that expands with dlc?

[blissful perch]

Not worth thinking about imo until we see the map and have a general idea of what the DLC pathway is

[lime forge]

Fair enough

[blissful perch]

Entire aquatic biomes for example can be the size of a studio apartment

[untold ingot]

The only reason that it made sense to have separate maps is because of the lore of arks, without that it wouldn't really make sense to have to move to different maps

[lime forge]

Gonna be salty if there’s no large water biomes.

Really looking forward to alien aquatic life

[untold ingot]

You and me both

[blissful perch]

I’m ok with large but not ok with deep until I/WC can figure out how to make deep sea creatures work

[untold ingot]

I honestly see large deep oceans as vital to ark lol

[lime forge]

Deep sea creatures should not all be aggressive,and they should not have such a large aggro range.

[split dove]

i'm looking at you eels and jellyfish

[untold ingot]

Well, irl sea creatures have a huge agro range

[lime forge]

You really wouldn’t expect to be attacked by a 30 lb fish when you’re riding a giant squid.

[untold ingot]

But you are right, most sea creatures irl don't agro to humans

What I don't want to see is a desert added on right next to a jungle lol, but that's just a pet peeve of mine lol

[slender glen]

Use cactus broth

[untold ingot]

Okaaay?

[south lance]

I want valguero but 500 sqkm

Add another 50-60 sqkm to the big ass lake, add a couple trenches, and add another 100sqkm to the abb zones

[untold ingot]

Val was pretty good

[south lance]

I love valg

It just wasnt big enough is all

The only issue is the snow/jungle border

But you can fix that by just shoving some pine forest in between

Or just move the jungle to bottom right of map and have the highlands be at mid right

[blissful perch]

You can have them side by side with enough altitude

[south lance]

Ig?

If there was enoufh of a proper mountain biome i suppose

Ark never really had any tbh

Theres definitely enough space to have a bunch of island volcano sized mountains together but its never really been tried

[blissful perch]

No mountain seems relevant because of fliers

[south lance]

I just like mountains cause increased surface area

They effectively increase map size

But yes fliers and things that practically fly fuck it all over

[untold ingot]

There will be fliers again, but hopefully with a weight nerf and no pocket cryos it should fix most issues

[south lance]

They really just need a massive weight nerf

Actually, most medium and small dinos need one

There is no reason a pt should be able to carry 2000 kg (assuming 1 ark weight unit is 1 kg) of supplies

Or whatever is the max rn

[blissful perch]

Mutation stacking getting the boot also helps with keeping stat totals at reasonable levels

[south lance]

True

Man i really fucking hope dollie passed the message about mutation stacking by now

[blissful perch]

As for oceans: the issue is that deep sea creatures can be cheesed on the depth ceiling

[south lance]

Wdym

I dont interact with ocean

[blissful perch]

Mosa squid and plesi all have a minimum depth required to aggro or behave remotely normally

[south lance]

Ye

Ohh i remember wym now

Just swimming up to deaggro

[untold ingot]

Irl creatures have that too though

[blissful perch]

Not really

[south lance]

Maybe for giant squid

[blissful perch]

Many twilight zone animals can move into pelagic water

[wispy sierra]

i hate how ark ocean is just giant empty void with 100,000,000 enemies

[untold ingot]

They can, but they dont

[wispy sierra]

shifter coming in hot with the science words

[south lance]

I dont think any deep sea creatures that arent evolved to live under truckloads of pressure are instinctively against surfacing except during the day

[untold ingot]

Thoughts on fjordur ocean?

[lime forge]

Flyers specifically need large weight nerfs. I don’t think a pt would even be able to carry a grown man.

[wispy sierra]

haven't played enough fjordur to pass judgement

[south lance]

Tbf no flier in game could, not on their back anyways

[untold ingot]

Well, irl ones were bigger generally

[south lance]

Except maybe an exceedingly strong quetzal specimen

Argies could pick you up with their talons maybe?

I dont think pteranodons are generally built for carrying heavy objects

But im only half not talking out of my ass

[untold ingot]

I think it would be too much to entirely expect fliers to be realistic because they are too engrained in people's minds that they can fly, but it would be nice to see some massive nerfs to how much they can carry

[south lance]

^

[blissful perch]

And the reason they don’t is fear of getting clapped by surface animals and lack of food

[south lance]

Yeah so they come at night

I cannot talk about the big whales that eat squid with squarish heads

Whale

...

Ohhh theres my message

Thought i was muted but nah phone just wasnt displaying shit

[blissful perch]

That being said, many predatory sea creatures use depth to hide from prey

[south lance]

How deep tho

[blissful perch]

But the ark depths pose no threat because of the depth ceiling. So a mosa can’t stalk you at depth and jump you at the surface

[south lance]

Ocean animals being able to jump from the water without immediately suffocating would be awesome

[blissful perch]

Deeper than you can see. Likely not twilight zone tho. But then again mosas and all marine reptiles didn’t occupy that space either

[south lance]

If only gravity worked

[split dove]

itchys committing suicide the milisecond they go out of water 😂

[blissful perch]

HA

[south lance]

😔

[blissful perch]

There’s a specific whale that goes into the twilight zone to hunt giant squid

Its name is banned by the discord bot 😂😂

[south lance]

Its fucking dumb ichthys literally breath air

Well not in ark ig but they should

[south lance]

Yeah i tried saying it but i cant

I have no idea which version isnt blocked

[blissful perch]

Should have warned me lol, I had a long comment about marine reptiles that got bot blocked

[south lance]

Hey not bad

[lime forge]

What’s a squirm whale?

[south lance]

I did

[south lance]

Here

[untold ingot]

It's like a worm that wanted to be a fisn

[blissful perch]

You actually did and I didn’t heed it

I apologize 😂😂

[south lance]

Folly of man

[sharp garnet]

Xbox games tweeted ark 2 is coming out in the first half of 2023. Hopefully no more delays

[blissful perch]

Point being, bring back pelagic open ocean threats and tbh we don’t need a stupidly deep ocean biome

[south lance]

When

[blissful perch]

Don’t lie to yourself, it’s just sad to watch

[sharp garnet]

Lol

Ok I won’t

XD

[blissful perch]

XD I’m only trying to protect you

[south lance]

Honestly id like the deep ocean just as an excuse to put more eldritch horrors in a place where no light seeps

Esp since alien planet

Imagination can go wild

[blissful perch]

I’m good leaving that in subnautica lol. I’d rather have ark oceans be more about the continental shelf and reef ways

[south lance]

Im hoping its mostly shallow

[blissful perch]

You can make plenty of threats with water that isn’t miles deep lol

[south lance]

But id like one big trench

Maybe add a couple hydrothermal vents

[blissful perch]

I’d much rather see reefs, mangrove swamps, and kelp forests…and a large expanse of open ocean that’s cloudy enough to have ambushing predators beneath you

[sharp garnet]

@blissful perch agreed

[blissful perch]

You wanna spook the crap out of players, you don’t need a trench. Give them open ocean and the threat of mosa ambush from the nebulous depths below and that’ll be plenty

[south lance]

I dont want to be bitten off my canoe

I fucking hate kapros and anything like kapros

[blissful perch]

You shouldn’t be in the open ocean expecting a free ride 😆

[south lance]

Destroy my canoe if you want but dont immediately go after me

[split dove]

when was that tweet/able to send it to me in dms?

[sharp garnet]

@south lance XD it is pretty realistic through

[south lance]

Unless you allow my proper bob strength to pry open kapro jaws

[blissful perch]

Shallow seas -> your canoe may be safe. Open ocean -> you’re now in the habitat of large dangerous predators

[south lance]

I get that

Like leeds destroying rafts is fine

[blissful perch]

It’s something to do with all Xbox games mentioned were coming out by end of June 2023. Since ark 2 was announced it’s inferred it drops first half 2023. It’s a stretch

[south lance]

Just dont give me a teeny ass animal that drains my stam and aimbots me from 100 meters

[blissful perch]

I mean kapros are meme material 100% of the time. They beat bary stun locks

[south lance]

I fucking hate them

I never go into swamp because of them

[sharp garnet]

I put the tweet in screenshots

[south lance]

Its the one creature that makes the swamp underwater safer than above

[sharp garnet]

And fanart section

[fallow niche]

Please don't misuse the fanart channel.

[sharp garnet]

Kk I won’t

[blissful perch]

XD, but I love kapros on paper. The threat of ambush is what makes swamp trips more fun for me

[split dove]

i suppose we will know in some stretch of time

[sharp garnet]

@blissful perch agreed

[blissful perch]

I love shitting myself every time I’m naked and know one snake bite is gg

[south lance]

Its one of those things where making the game harder doesnt necessarily make it more fun especially since kapros drop jack shit despite easily being the hardest animal in the swamp to deal with besides bary underwater

At least imo

[untold ingot]

I get killed by kapros early game more than I do any other Dino lol

[south lance]

Honestly if kapros dropped better loot id be fine with them

[blissful perch]

I think kapros are fun creatures, but need some tweaks to be a bit less unfair and a bit more avoidable if you see them coming

[south lance]

Sure

[split dove]

makes the swamp a semi horror experience sometimes 😂

[south lance]

I think bary level aggro is good

Bary aggro distance is pretty small for its size

[blissful perch]

The bary stun locks are the dumbest thing in the swamp tho lol

[south lance]

Even though if it aggros and you arent geared youre dead

I mainly mean on land, the permastun is bs

[sharp garnet]

Jelly’s are annoying. They need a cooldown for there shock

A poison instead should be better

[south lance]

Thats what its supposed to be

[sharp garnet]

Like a stun slow kill kinda think

[south lance]

I dont think anyone thinks jellyfish zap you

[fallow niche]

The trailer doesn't look like there is an ocean biome

[split dove]

eurupteryd instant knockout lol

[lime forge]

As long as it’s not like it currently is and anything within render is aggroed I’ll be happy.

[blissful perch]

I’m down tbh, for the reasons I stated long ago

[south lance]

So it doesnt make sense for the arks to use human understanding of jellyfish to make cnidaria unless they literally based most of their decisions on spongebob

In which case, give me the JELLY

[blissful perch]

I actually almost died irl after one of them jumped me on land on the Fjordur swamp island

[untold ingot]

There is an ocean in the gen2 ending though

[lime forge]

The trailer shouldn’t be expected to preview everything

[split dove]

ark will probably be the reason i die from a heart attack one day

[fallow niche]

The ocean biomes on ark 1 are very underwhelming. Unless they add more content, more dinos, id be good with not ocean

[blissful perch]

The trailer DID show a downed ship or structure tho. I wonder if there will be enforcers in there

[sharp garnet]

I hope that the ai is as good as they are saying

[south lance]

Why enforcers when there werent any on the ship tho

[lime forge]

It definitely doesn’t help your blood pressure that’s for sure

[sharp garnet]

@sharp garnet

[south lance]

Whats even the lore behind enforcers

[split dove]

crappy defense robot for sanctuary

[south lance]

Like were they an earth thing only

[blissful perch]

They actually were on the tek bridges…insanely rare I think?

[lime forge]

Robo cop

[sharp garnet]

@south lance the enforcers are too keep corrupted Dino’s out of sanctuary

[south lance]

Fr?

[untold ingot]

I liked the one in gen1 and fjordur though

[sharp garnet]

@south lance

[blissful perch]

I saw them on S+ transmitters

[south lance]

Yeah but would an ark make one

[split dove]

iirc defence units spawn there aswell?

[south lance]

Or by extension, the genesis ship

[south lance]

Weird

[sharp garnet]

@south lance Prob not

I’m excited for console mods

[blissful perch]

The idea of enforcers tho is to patrol and hunt though imo. So an ark has no use for them

[south lance]

I guess

[sharp garnet]

@sharp garnet

[south lance]

At the same time it wouldnt really be impossible for an ark to just make one

[fallow niche]

I can't count Fjordur, it was already like that from Nekatus. Gen1 was okay. If Ark2 has it, I'd definitely prefer more like those though.

[south lance]

So i guess it wouldnt matter, just unlikely

[blissful perch]

I think enforcers and defense units occupying those broken remains would be very interesting

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I can't imagine a drop from gen1/fjordur ocean to an island type ocean. That would be so depressing

[south lance]

Btw when was the downed ship shown in announcement trailer

[fallow niche]

Definitely

[blissful perch]

Zoom out during VD’s rex riding scene: second trailer

[south lance]

Kk

[south lance]

The big jagged stuff in the back right as the rex roars?

[sharp garnet]

Who else is excited for console mod support?

[south lance]

Im happy console will be able to boost pc numbers with cross support, mods mean this applies to unofficial as well hopefully

[untold ingot]

I mean, I am, even though I don't play Xbox lol

[slender glen]

We’re getting mod support?

[south lance]

Having a bunch more people available to play with is always better

[split dove]

current gen only

[sharp garnet]

@slender glen YES

@slender glen

[slender glen]

[sharp garnet]

[south lance]

Indeed moment

[sharp garnet]

XD

[blissful perch]

Back right I think? Looks like a ruined structure

[south lance]

Ye

I see though its all shadowy

Cant be sure what it really is

[sharp garnet]

@south lance mabie part of the crash

[south lance]

Looks more artificial than the other big spindly rock formation tho

[south lance]

Perhaps

[sharp garnet]

At leas imo@south lance

[south lance]

You dont need to ping me in every message

[sharp garnet]

I know

[blissful perch]

You sure XD

[south lance]

-.-

[split dove]

:3

[south lance]

Not a moment

[fallow niche]

[sharp garnet]

What’s your guises fave ARK events???

[fallow niche]

Mine was a friendly reminder to bring it back to ark2

[split dove]

👉

[sharp garnet]

[fallow niche]

Move to #ark-survival-ascended for other ark chitchat

[sharp garnet]

Kk

[blissful perch]

For ark 2 I’d prefer events have less…questionably realistic invaders like super turkeys

[sharp garnet]

Yea

I like fear evolved XD

[split dove]

Apex predator in disguise

[blissful perch]

Think my favorite was probably the Christmas event, at least on paper. Not so sure about the op loot lol

[sharp garnet]

Join voice chat

Never mind

[blissful perch]

Hmm. Ya know at some point I would be down to get in a VC with the ark 2 chat bois

But that’ll probably be when we do the big last hurrah run of ark 1

[fallow niche]

Should be fixed soon

Hopefully

[sharp garnet]

@blissful perch XD

[blissful perch]

What’re you angry Vin emoting me for? You’re invited Flob XD

[sharp garnet]

XD

[split dove]

i forgot 👴

ark 1 ends with the cursed vindiago cutscene

[sharp garnet]

XD

Why you remind me@split dove

[blissful nest]

I actually will boy ARK II even if it's 3rd person only

[mint swan]

Can't wait for Diesal to tokyo drift a rex into a pack of raptors

[blissful nest]

But I'd be very happy if they added a owl bear

[blissful perch]

I’m doing that 100%. Get my my drift king tame pls

Keep the D&D high fantasy out of ark pls

[split dove]

bc you must suffer the character assassination like the rest of us

[blissful nest]

Why the thumbs down???

[blissful perch]

I told you why above 😎

[sharp garnet]

Noo

[mint swan]

Diesal gonna turn those dinos into fossil fuel and feed them to his car before driving it to his family

[blissful nest]

we'll have a chameleon that looks like a flowe

[south lance]

Ill finally not have to worry about botherinf my parents in a couple days so i might use vc for the first time ever

[split dove]

a flinstone car then?

[blissful perch]

Alien life ≠ high fantasy

[mint swan]

Hey man, F&F went to space, I honestly wouldn't be suprised

[blissful nest]

The owlbear is an alien-

[split dove]

the past and the furious

[blissful nest]

past and furro's

[blissful perch]

An owl bear is an animal that has an owl’s head stapled onto a bear. So wildly fantasy that it doesn’t fit the speculative biology I’ve come to expect from ark and WC

[blissful nest]

good point

[blissful perch]

If anything it cheapens the world building ark has done

[mint swan]

Ark 2 is just F&F Dom's great great great ancestor

[blissful nest]

Wha- no I don't mean THAT owlbear

[blissful perch]

VC isn’t for everyone so I get that. Even if you can only listen in and chat that’s still plenty if you join us this winter

[split dove]

nah he just ''respawned again''

[blissful perch]

…what other owl bear is there?

[blissful nest]

I mean the Owlbear from the croods movie?

That owlbear....which is literarily named bear owl

[mint swan]

Think he'll take his mount into space too? XD

[blissful perch]

Ok, I looked it up. same concept slightly different appearance…same problem lol

[blissful nest]

Not really

[split dove]

he already came from space to commit crimes against humanoid aliens

[mint swan]

Bruh, just deflects a nuke explosion with a circle of dinos XD

[blissful perch]

It’s an owls face strapped onto a mammal body. Just more feline and less bear lol. If they want to have avian hunters that’s great, but I’m not really interested in an avian face on a clearly mammalian body. It’s like slapping tons of feathers on a mana

[south lance]

Defo on the plans

[blissful nest]

In the end it's your opinion and mine, it's really up to the dev's.

But something I would like in ARK II is more aquatic dino's. Lets be real here you can memorize them which are, Coelcanth, Sabertooth Salmon, Megaprinha, Megalodon, Mosa, Leed, Plesio, and Tuso.

I would like them to be aliens, like the Subnautica leviathans

that'd be sick.

[split dove]

ain't no way they made it off the eden ring without those ships being filled with water and surviving the crash onto a alien planet 😂

[blissful nest]

...The eden ring got destroyed?

[split dove]

who knows, but the ship having those pods filled with water is highly unlikely

even a crash landing is high chance of death on a alien planet with small lakes as far as we know

[rare heart]

Lionfish lion tho….. or the sugar glider platypus with milkies

[blissful perch]

cries in forgotten ichy and angler

[rare heart]

You know kinda crazy how i cant think of any other movie/game or just media in general that has done the lion x lionfish before

At least i cant think of any media

[blissful perch]

I’d say that about most of the WC created creatures

[split dove]

some of the latest you can thank rockwell for lol

[blissful perch]

Magmasaurs are loosely based on fantasy salamanders I guess…but really most of those creatures are “new”

[rare heart]

Rock drake

[blissful perch]

Hate him all you want but the man is schmovin with his creature ideas

[rare heart]

Reapers

[split dove]

my mans got that edmundium powerd imagination

[rare heart]

i know i kinda want shadowmanes for ark 2

[blissful perch]

I’ve never seen anything like a rock drake before in media. Although yes the reaper is a clear and obvious homage to alien

[rare heart]

They just seem so cool idk why

and its def possible humans brought them over to the non rockwell ring

[split dove]

closest thing was the alien lizard obi wan rides in star wars revenge of the sith 17 years ago

[blissful perch]

They’d need major nerfs but manes would be fun

[rare heart]

yeah

idk shadowmanes just seems like the coolest fantasy creature ark has to offer

[blissful perch]

That thing looks like a monitor lizard with some exotic flavor XD but I can see that

[rare heart]

A simple and fun concept no ones really done before

[blissful perch]

I think the blood stalker may be one of the best

[rare heart]

All of the genesis ones are pretty good

[blissful perch]

True, I love astrocetus (the concept)

[rare heart]

Space whale and turtle are meh to me tho

i like the dolphin tho

[blissful perch]

I prefer astrocetus to delphis 10/10 times (visually)

[rare heart]

Sure

idk ive just never seen space dolphins before in anything aside form ark

[blissful perch]

The majestic sight of seeing those space whales is so pretty

[rare heart]

True

Voidwyrm is the only one i dont like

I dislike all the tek dinos

[blissful perch]

I love the tek Dino’s, but on maps like extinction where it makes sense

[rare heart]

Or just the fact they spawn naturally

YEAH

They ruin my immersion

[blissful nest]

and manta

[fallow niche]

No tek for ark2

[blissful perch]

Agree. The visual of them tho is beautiful

[blissful nest]

I hate my life and I wanna die

[fallow niche]

[blissful nest]

/j

[fallow niche]

[blissful perch]

I’m not convinced that means no derelict tek

[fallow niche]

Of course not

[blissful nest]

but to be fair

[fallow niche]

I think it'll still be there, just not as predominantly

[blissful nest]

if they're removing tek they might add something new

[split dove]

primitive unga bunga/arat magic gear

[blissful perch]

sees the word magic 😡😡

[split dove]

*special'' gear

[blissful perch]

sus

[lime forge]

element gear

[blissful perch]

Uh how about Santiago gear that’s composed of grunts

[lime forge]

fireball gauntlets

[blissful perch]

I’ll only accept magic if it’s exclusive to wild Aratai

[lime forge]

Elemenchanted gear

[split dove]

inhuman grunt boosts your attack power by 20%

[blissful perch]

NGhhhh -> +20% atk

Damn now im thinking about slinking into waterways on a koolasuchus. Rip that submission

Or getting grabbed and pulled under by a sarco…wish there was more ambushing in ark 2

[split dove]

did you get a early preview? i think ambushing will be more common in ark 2 with the new stealth mechanics and dino ai /j

[blissful perch]

I’d be insanely happy with an early preview, but you all probably wouldn’t lol

Since I’m 99% sure NDA would mean I can’t share it and thus I’d be severely limited in what I could say here. I’d probably have to largely tap out of convos

[split dove]

''you can commit crimes alongside the Aratai against Vindiago'' thx for the spoilers

[blissful perch]

There’s also no shot WC will give me, a random guy, a preview copy even if they’re doing that lol. But I do think it would be cool for player and wild creature stealth to get more limelight

One interesting question: will your tames be able to smell and hear threats?

[split dove]

that'd be a cool new interesting feature

[blissful perch]

Some games have tried to add hearing and smell to players. It’s super hard tho…I think with modern speakers you can kinda make sound work

But smell as a separate visual overlay is always tricky. That being said it would be sick if you could reveal a group of armed invaders with a strong scent creature

Ok another random thought @split dove . You can’t prone underwater…do you think it would be cool stealth to crawl into a pond/waterway and hide your head underwater to avoid being spotted?

[split dove]

that or being able to mask yourself with water/mud

[blissful perch]

Kinda wish foliage could be forced on too lol. Would be cool to hide in plants and stuff

[split dove]

the budget ghillie suit

[blissful perch]

I’m eating organic polymer the first time I see it in ark 2. Hopefully ghillie is better than a gimmick taming armor

[south lance]

Id like not needing a 300% asc bp to do the simplest shit

[rare heart]

I would just scrap bp’s all together

[split dove]

our idea is to replace bps with the new component based crafting

[rare heart]

Fair

Id like there to be a use for crafting skill speed

Possible have blacksmiths and engineers

[blissful perch]

Render distance is also partly to blame for foliage

[rare heart]

Instead of everybody finding a piece of paper and be able to simply make the most expensive valuable stuff in the game

Instead youll actually take the time to learn how to make all that shit

[south lance]

Id have it so people who edit ini at all just cease to be able to see anything, all textures replaced with invisible or smthn

If i was really evil id instead replace with rick astleys face

[split dove]

screen becomes a ultra flashbang as well for good measures

[south lance]

Yeah something like that

[blissful perch]

I think what could be cool is crafting skill effecting crafting time and what materials you can use

[winged dome]

While nice for larger tribes, it would suck for solo players to be limited in what they can/can't craft assuming there's no Mindwipes

If there is Mindwipes, then we fall back into the same 'spec all into crafting for a bit, craft a bunch of shit, then spec back'

[blissful perch]

Maybe some crafting specific skills rather than a “crafting skill stat”

Since my hope is that stat boosts with level ups are largely removed

[lime forge]

I’m hoping for full blown rpg stats to level up

Strength, dex, endurance the whole nine yards

[blissful perch]

I’d rather have a skill tree and largely static stats. Makes balance way better when the world doesn’t scale

In a true mmo/rpg/SP experience the world gets harder as you improve your stats…but ark by design can’t do that

[lime forge]

Just a skill tree isn’t enough. Stats are needed to refine builds. Ark certainly can implement them. And I’m fairly confident they’re gonna exist in Ark 2.

[blissful perch]

Says who?

[lime forge]

Be more specific

[blissful perch]

I mean stats will exist in ark 2, and it’s likely you’ll be able to level them. I’m skeptical that’ll be majorly altered

But ark 2’s world won’t scale with your stats. The survival genre sort of fixes the world at a set difficulty. You can’t have the world get harder as you progress

Which means all stat boosts do is make the game easier…kinda makes it less fun over time. Unlike a true RPG where you get to higher levels and meet more complex and higher statted foes

[lime forge]

The world doesn’t have to scale, the entire point of leveling up and progressing is becoming more powerful. Level ups are supposed to make the game easier.

[blissful perch]

In a true rpg that’s not the case 🤷‍♂️

[lime forge]

Is Ark 2 a true rpg?

Or is it a survival sandbox?

[blissful perch]

No, it’s a survival game, so it should reflect the genre and not scale the character’s stats like an rpg

[lime forge]

You seem to have this rock solid line dividing what can and can’t be done based on the label of a game.

I’ve noticed over the past 8 months discussing things with you here

[blissful perch]

It’s more like “this is directly contrasting how the game looks like it’ll work”

[lime forge]

I find it hard to believe with the amount of info given about Ark 2 that anyone other than devs at this point can say that.

[blissful perch]

I’m taking insight from my experience and research of other games to understand what pairings of design features seem to work well together and which ones seem to contradict

[blissful perch]

It’s an understandable take. But even ark 1 has contradictions in it imo, which I fear may come to ark 2

[lime forge]

I don’t see any contradictions

[blissful perch]

You want to take the environment seriously -> but you take almost 0 damage while wearing cheaply crafted flak

As one example

[lime forge]

I wouldn’t consider that a contradiction.

[blissful perch]

It’s directly contradicting game features. Most players most of the time have flak or better equipped. So the environment is failing to provide a survival feeling for most of people’s playthroughs

Now you could argue it’s not a contradiction if the goal was never to have the environment be a major concern to players. It’s a valid argument if you think ark is a PvP game where the environment is more of a nuisance than a threat

[lime forge]

I’d argue that it’s not a contradiction because the environment isn’t supposed to be the main challenge throughout the entire game. In the true rpgs that you mentioned earlier more often than not once you get to a higher level and have higher stats and more gear the area where you started is supposed to be under your power level, and you’re supposed to go to a new area that poses more difficulty to continue progressing. Now in a game like Ark 1 the different biomes are supposed to act as a different area but do to players having increased experience with the game that entire system becomes somewhat a moot point.

Ark 2 however does not need to be like that.

[blissful perch]

I presume you think the main challenge is supposed to be other players?

[sharp garnet]

Yea XD

[lime forge]

Maybe from a PvP stand point. But I’d say the main challenge is ascending. The environment is only the first part that you overcome. After that it’s defeating the different bosses.

[blissful perch]

So you see it on PvE as 1.) overcome the environment 2.) overcome missions/caves 3.) overcome bosses?

[lime forge]

In Ark 1 yes if you were to simplify it. But I’m hoping for more rpg style progression for Ark 2. Instead of just random leveled beasts everywhere I’d prefer if separate areas or biomes had different level ranges that you would work through, maybe certain tames that you could acquire that would help survive in the next area.

[tropic crag]

You can if levelling your stats allows you to enter parts of the world without dying in two seconds, such as a tundra where the levels are higher or the creatures are smarter

[blissful perch]

So in ark 1 terms beach stuff is fixed at level 1-50 and harder biomes have the higher level creatures? And those harder biomes are extremely hard without proper gear and tames?

It would be a bit of a weird concept for a sandbox but maybe ark 2 is willing to try that

[lime forge]

I honestly believe that being able to tame max level tames as soon as you spawn is one of the biggest issues Ark 1 faces with actual balance when it comes to environmental challenges. Second only to flyers.

[winged dome]

Pretty much all Ark1 maps had that in some sense already. Beaches are relatively easy, Mountains and Cold areas tend to be pretty tough. Other maps had other environmental challenges that needed to be overcome like extreme temperatures, Nameless, Radiation, or more powerful Corrupted Creatures (Wyverns/Gigas)

There was no 'you need to be this level or higher to go here', which I like. Freedom of exploration - assuming you can handle the challenges presented

[blissful perch]

I’d be interested to see player level requirements for taming creatures/high level creatures

[lime forge]

Yes.

[tropic crag]

Sure there was, you needed to be the level to make the rad suit to go into the rad zone, did you not?

[blissful perch]

Lamprey lol, but I agree with your sentiment

[split dove]

lamprey negates that lol

[tropic crag]

Well yeah, I parachute down with a lamprey too, but that's just because I'm good at the game and know stuff like that lol

[lime forge]

I also would like to see level requirements and maybe even skill requirements to taming. I’d even like to see some good old Pokémonesque style of control where once a tame gets to far ahead of you it becomes unruly and fails to listen to you.

[winged dome]

Most challenges had a relatively low level workaround. Lazarus Chowder/Diplocalulus for underwater, Lampreys for Radiation, ect

[blissful perch]

It would be interesting to have a “beast master” tree

[winged dome]

Exactly - you were only limited by knowledge of mechanics instead of the game just saying 'nope, get a higher level'

[blissful perch]

Good thing, since levels became trivial with notes and note runs

[tropic crag]

Knowing well hidden secrets and strats doesn't really dictate the normal progression, though. That's entirely irrelevant

[blissful perch]

Saddle engrams were once the progression metric people measured for where you could or should go. Now you speed through leveling so fast you can’t stop and consider that

[winged dome]

But it's possible to do those strats because the mechanics of the game allow it

[tropic crag]

Knowing how to do that does not equal intended progression, either way

[blissful perch]

Note runs were objectively bad imo. I respect the idea which was an incentive to get and look at lore but idk about the other issues it caused lol

[lime forge]

I don’t think anything should be physically stopping players from going to different areas, but the lack of tames, stats, and skills should make things far more difficult for anyone trying to advance to early.

[tropic crag]

We know, Shifter lol

[blissful perch]

I mean I don’t want a giant fence with a level requirement to pass through lol

But I do want people to be like “ooooh I’m 100% dead if that sees me huh” if they run into something wildly outside their prep level

[lime forge]

Yeah no. That would take away any sandbox feel

[blissful perch]

I like open world rpg games that have levels indicate strength (alongside new enemies)

When the enemies suddenly jump from 10 to 50 you go “oooooh new area. Let me see if I’m ready”

[tropic crag]

I think if they do it the same way they did with Ark 1, where it's a mix of both (levels and zoning determining where you should/can feasibly go) then all is well, imo

Just not have the levels in every zone be the same cap, only change I'd make personally

[blissful perch]

I don’t mind, but I still don’t like wildly out scaling the environment with speed gremlin builds 😆

[tropic crag]

So like the beach 1-50 thing

[lime forge]

I think a good way to go about it would be to have specific areas have a max level cap but not a minimum. That way early game players could sneak into higher level areas and snag a tame they want around their level. Deinonychus in the next area and you want one early? Just be careful and don’t get caught. Risk and reward.

[tropic crag]

Hopefully speed doesn't exist as a levelable stat 🤞

[winged dome]

That would make the 'high level areas' camped by mega tribes to get the strongest species and the highest levels

[tropic crag]

That's a whole nother issue, friend

[blissful perch]

I think ark’s diverse roster makes that hard to do in practice since there’s so many tames…I find it works better with small rosters where level is more meaningful metric. In ark, species > level most of the time

[winged dome]

Is it? That's what you're wanting with level zones

[blissful perch]

A biome the size of AB’s element zone is not exactly claimable by one tribe for all possible taming

[lime forge]

I will state that I have no interest in movement speed being a main stat. If it is it should be nerfed into the ground from where it currently is. You should not be able to out run everything. Hell humans shouldn’t be able to outrun very much at all from the current roster.

[tropic crag]

It is, as Shifter has pointed out, a very different point

But I've already spoken on it too, so that's just me not wanting to rehash the same point again lol

[blissful perch]

Me all the damn time 😆. But links to old discord messages are blocked

[tropic crag]

Search the keywords "TC" and "tool cupboard" for the convo from yesterday @winged dome

[winged dome]

I dunno. I think Ark1 randomized levels across the map was fine. Natural difficulty progression was fine until feature creep started ruining everything

Agree to disagree

[lime forge]

Obviously it would be valuable real-estate but it’s hopefully not small enough that a single tribe can hold it all.

[blissful perch]

Levels don’t matter as much in ark 1 unless there’s a big gap imo

A 120 rex vs 130 carno has a clear winner lol, the level matters less than the species. So I’m flexible about using levels in different biomes

[lime forge]

Levels absolutely matter when it comes to tame versus wild. This is exactly why increasing the difficulty makes the game easier.

[tropic crag]

It would be a welcome change for me, if only to test it out in early access

[lime forge]

Well not in this case

[blissful perch]

I think one issue with low level cap biomes is that players may migrate away from certain really well designed and pretty biomes because the creatures are low level. Or the reverse as people progress out of the early game (something that only happens once on official)

[blissful perch]

Because the gap is pretty large and most tames get a saddle (armor). And that’s before the extremely strong imprint bonus

[tropic crag]

If they did it in early access and it turns out I didn't like levelled biomes, I would be fine with them reverting said change

[lime forge]

I could see that. Though if I’m not playing PvP I’m choosing a base location going off of scenery. As long as I can freely travel to get better tames I’m good.

Might even be better considering it would be lower level Dino’s harassing your base instead of max level.

[blissful perch]

Yea the flip could be true where low level areas are lived in and the rest is abandoned

[tropic crag]

If travel is really fun, for sure, I can see that

The caravaning mentioned a few days ago comes to mind

[lime forge]

It would be cool if nomadic play style was actually viable in Ark 2.

I would absolutely love that.

[winged dome]

Caravaning around Valguero near it's official launch was a ton of fun, but really highlighted for me the issues with Ark1's Platform Saddle systems

[tropic crag]

Hopefully platform saddles are either mostly gone or completely revamped, seeing as how there is cave drawings of them in the newer trailer I'm leaning towards revamped

[winged dome]

I hope so for revamp

[blissful perch]

It would be cool if platform saddle creatures had a totally unique stat spread such that they acted as massive structures rather than very squishy targets

Ofc with mutation stacking they soak just fine XD. But I don’t want to assume that or leave room for them to feel justified

[winged dome]

Maybe two variants? Mobile Base and Mobile Siege Platforms?

Base gives weight reduction on materials, significantly increases defense against everything except turrets, but drastically lowers speed

Siege allows placement of manned turrets (cannons, catapults, ect) but no weight reduction and lower defense

[blissful perch]

I’m trying to remember what issues turrets on plat saddles had. They did get removed for a reason…

I’m down for the saddle type altering how the platform creature works, but I’m a bit nervous about automated turrets specifically

[rare heart]

Those turrets make no sense

I think the only turrets that should be able to track ppl and dinos are tek ones

[fiery wedge]

They were just op

[rare heart]

Idk that technology just seems better suited for that

[fiery wedge]

You can still do autos but autos suck

[rare heart]

Auto turrets shouldnt track tho

[tropic crag]

Good thing we won't have auto turrets then, eh?

[rare heart]

Hopefully

[fiery wedge]

?

[tropic crag]

Nah, we certainly aren't lol I can assure you

[rare heart]

do turrets not track? Doesnt every turret do that in the game

[winged dome]

Turrets on fliers were OP as heck

[fiery wedge]

Yeah, it's a turret. Why shouldn't a turret track you 😂

[winged dome]

Assault Quetzes just mowing everything down. Plus I think they caused a lot of server lag/instability

[rare heart]

Because only like the HIGHEST grade expensive shit can track things based on movement by themselves

[past wind]

Whats the point of an automated protection system if it doesn’t track enemies?

[blissful perch]

I do think more viable mounted turrets (catapults, ballista, etc) would be cool to see. Any idea on how to make that viable @fiery wedge ?

[past wind]

No…

[rare heart]

Tek turrets because i mean… theyre advanced, hell of a lot more advanced than regular turrets

[fiery wedge]

If they had a range more than like 100 feet and did damage to things higher than stone...

[past wind]

Auto turrets should be automatic too… 🤔

[rare heart]

Automatic yes

Not motion tracking…. Not for the basic ones

[tropic crag]

Turrets that track heat signatures are not really that advanced, lol

[rare heart]

They have flaws

[fiery wedge]

It's a game

[untold ingot]

I could see that being a thing, but only if defenses are handled differently and cryos don't exist

[past wind]

It’s a way to have an offline raid protection

[tropic crag]

Yeah, for the first time in a while I agree with Birdwoman, it's a game bro

[past wind]

Without this, only mega tribes would exist

[fiery wedge]

What do cryos have to do with using a ballista?

[rare heart]

fine i guess…..

The current game’s pvp just kinda ass tho

And everything about it i hate

[untold ingot]

If you have a paracer ballista out shooting a base, and someone just pops a giga out, it wouldn't be very viable

[tropic crag]

Too many dinos and it won't matter how many players on turrets there are, I think is the point Raq is making

[past wind]

So why people everyday come here and beg they don’t change pvp?

[fiery wedge]

Neither would it be if there was just a giga over a hill or in the base?

It's not like the dudes gonna run into you and pop a gig

[untold ingot]

The point I was trying to make is that cryos make tames too maneuverable for a game without auto turrets

[past wind]

By the time crios become a thing again, the meta will be changed

[winged dome]

People are allowed to have different opinions?

[untold ingot]

If there aren't auto turrets that is definitely what I see happening lol

[fiery wedge]

There'll probably be turrets in a form

Like plant x

[blissful perch]

I’m seeing auto turrets AND mounted turrets in the idea I posed to birdwoman

[past wind]

Sure, of course, I’m just saying it’s confusing 😂

[untold ingot]

You can't really make a fob with plant x in time for a raid though

[blissful perch]

The issue I see is that mounted turrets are straight up never used in PvP for defense or offense. Wanted PvP perspective on the issue

[tropic crag]

Oh I 100% agree, just the auto turret argument is kinda bunk and this is a chat for Ark 2 😅

[untold ingot]

They just aren't viable without the tracking, and with tracking they are too op

[fiery wedge]

Hey man you can move potted plants

[untold ingot]

That would work I guess

Special trike saddle for transporting plant x to fobs

[past wind]

Without tek being a thing (that might include electronics in general), I think they will use NPCs + primitive weapons, like atlas

[untold ingot]

I really am interested in seeing how they handle base defenses though

[past wind]

The whole building mechanics seems to be different

We will have blueprints for the bases

I’m curious to see

[untold ingot]

That is a given, but it doesn't guarantee defense changes

[past wind]

Sure, I’m pointing out the new metas will probably be way different

[untold ingot]

Building bps doesn't mean the meta will be different

It just means that it'll be easier to copy paste a well designed base

[past wind]

There will be no auto turrets/tek turrets That’s a huge part of today’s mega

Unless they bring new primitive automatic systems that work just like current auto turrets

[untold ingot]

I have yet to see anything saying there won't be autoturrets

[past wind]

Like NPCs mounting guns with similar performance of autoturrets

[untold ingot]

Like plant x lol

[winged dome]

I'm pretty sure we can teach a Raptor how to operate a Gatling Gun

[past wind]

Primitive combat system

I think that means no electronics or tek

[winged dome]

The question is, should we?

[untold ingot]

Plant x are a plant based auto turret already in the game.

[past wind]

But the performance isn’t anything close to the autoturrets

[fiery wedge]

Do they even have opposable thumbs

[untold ingot]

Whether or not it uses electronics isn't the issue lol, that's just crafting and asthetics

[untold ingot]

Because they were designed to be different

[past wind]

Like I said, they can bring something that performs just like autoturrets

[past wind]

I’m agreeing with you here

The new plants can perform better

It’s a possibility

But I hope they think on other systems, not just plants, but still primitive

[untold ingot]

I am hoping to see a nonturret defense system, but the baseline is just to expect some form of autoturret

[past wind]

Yeah. Unless they have made huge changes on the whole system.

[fiery wedge]

The problem with not having turrets as a defense system is that everything else would be far easier to deal with

[past wind]

True. That’s why I need to see/read more about the mechanics

[rare heart]

Youre saying this like they wouldnt have any form of turret that wpuld make the pvp aspect busted

Again

[tropic crag]

Who knows? Have you seen gameplay? I sure haven't.

[rare heart]

I think 2 will bring new stuff to the table but im still imagining ppl finding a way to make 2947383858383 turrets stacked on top of eachother on flimsy catwalks

Why i hate the advanced items in ark

[tropic crag]

Well, I'm sorry you think that. Definitely not gonna happen, though, so I wouldn't worry about it

[past wind]

You want to invade bases easily?

[rare heart]

I dont think so either, kinda

What i mostly mean is ppl will always find a way to cheese the system

[tropic crag]

Good thing 2 is mostly primitive then, eh? 😏

[rare heart]

I hope it stays that way

I could give 2 shits if they got rid of tek

Dinosaur halo is kinda ass

[tropic crag]

Well, yeah. People will also always develop cheats too, no way to stop it, it's going to happen. People are assholes.

[past wind]

I think eventually they will introduce tek stuff back

Maybe on a DLC

[rare heart]

I hope not

I mean it needs and endgame but if the game was just more fleshed out primitive version of ark i wouldnt care

Like at the start ATLEAST, stuff like longnecks and db’s simple pistols. Are as far as the game goes

With taming being harder and something thats more detailed so it opens the windows when you become advanced somewhat

Id imagine this game has better player conbat

I want dinosaur combat to be good too

[untold ingot]

Long necks are kind of ridiculously op though lol

I don't want to see any overpowered firearms in ark2

[rare heart]

Theyd have to be toned down

i agree though

Logically though longnecks are the more primitive weapon so theyd be the first firearms to be in the 2nd game.

Im the games sense

Or i mean….

You could have muskets, or something like them xd

[blissful perch]

It would be flintlocks/muskets lol

[stray elm]

'you wont see any firearms in unga-bunga age'

[past wind]

I wouldn’t consider the longneck a primitive weapon.

[past wind]

But it’s not unga bunga. It’s actually in a far future. Hence why I think we will see technological stuff eventually. The only reason there’s no tek now is because Vindiago is frustrated with technology

But, at least in the base game, we will have some time without tech stuff

[stray elm]

No shit, sherlock

I called it 'Unga Bunga' cause the came is 'PRIMITIVE' focused

So far, we've only seen very, very early technology. Like spears and bone armor.
So as of right now, yeah. Game is 'unga bunga'

[winged dome]

We've also seen a futuristic Tek console being powered down

[stray elm]

Doesn't mean we'll use tek.
They've specifically stated we wont have tek in ARK-2.

(base-game atleast.)

[tropic crag]

Good point, and it's not entirely primitive @stray elm , just primitive focused 😉 remember that

[stray elm]

There's a hard difference between 'sci-fi in story and environment' then 'gameplay'

The show 'Primal' is sci-fi in nature, since the environment is also unnatural.
But the show focuses around a dinosaur and a caveman, that uses a spear.

[tropic crag]

I am having a hard time understanding the issue, was I not simple enough in my wording? The tweet or whatever it was said primitive focused, you know that

[tropic crag]

This is irrelevant, but ok

[stray elm]

This was the original message that started this.
I stated this as a ironic joke, and y'all taking it a bit serious.

[past wind]

Yeah, it’s very vague. I think we will see tech eventually.

[tropic crag]

Well, to be blunt, your context clues need some help... no offense

[stray elm]

Using the term 'unga-bunga' as the name of an age isn't already a clue?
If you unironically use 'unga-bunga' as the name of an age.....i think that's on you.

[past wind]

See Wildcard, that’s what happens when you don’t give us more content about Ark 2. 👆

That’s on you

[winged dome]

Think we'll get some new deets at PAX?

[past wind]

I think PAX will be more about switch

Higher chances to get more news on the extra life stream

[mint swan]

Will ark 2 have more dinos?

The dinosaur with 500 teeth whose name will get me cancelled looks so goofy I would like to see him in ARK

[winged dome]

My guess is less dinos, more aliens

We are on an alien world afterall

[past wind]

There’s isn’t a list so far. But they’ve shown at least 3 dinos (brachios, rex and raptors)

Also pteras and dodos

[mint swan]

Alr, I hope we also get true to size megalodons

[south lance]

Its literally just a 🤓 version of a brachiosaur

Ok nvm i thought it had goofier teeth but still

[stray elm]

I honestly doubt they'll add new dinosaurs that weren't in ARK-1.
But 'readding' dinosaurs from ARK-1 is a different story.

The charcar is suppose to appear on all maps, so they're a good candidate to appear in ARK-2.

[south lance]

Wonder where the carchar went

Id have thought it wouldve dropped by now since fjordur has opened up

[stray elm]

They're probably almost done, and it just took longer since they might literally mean 'all' maps, so they're making different variants.

[south lance]

Hmm

[stray elm]

So they'll have to make an Aberrant variant, X-variant, and maybe even a R and a Corrupted variant of them.

(that's if they're appearing on literally all maps)

[south lance]

Im gonna assume the hardest part is just the coloring tbh

Maybe itll drop with that last small nekartus map

[tropic crag]

Oooooh, I never thought about that, I hope they at least do an aberrant variant, doesn't even have to be on Ab since I would like the map to stay unmolested

[ocean jungle]

will ark 2 have pvp?

[stray elm]

From what we know, yes.

[south lance]

On the note, anyone know when this is supposed to release

[tropic crag]

There aren't going to be any more maps added to Ark 1 officially, sooooo

Ask Nekatus, I guess?

[south lance]

Isnt there gonna be an official release of that map?

[tropic crag]

Nope, Fjordur was it

[south lance]

Rip

[stray elm]

The dwarf themed map?

That's just another project he's doing.
Nothing related to Wildcard.

[south lance]

Idk much about it besides it being made by the dude

Aight

[stray elm]

Have they actually officially stated Fjordur was the last map?

I don't doubt it. But i wonder if they have 'officially' stated it?

[tropic crag]

Yes, in one of the CCs

[stray elm]

Can you tell me which one?

[tropic crag]

Idk man, I just work here

[stray elm]

Fair

Can't believe that the Genesis-2 announcement trailer is nearly 2 years old

And we still don't have the background theme of it.

[winged dome]

Wym background theme?

[tropic crag]

Yeah 😕

[viral hornet]

Theme of the trailer i think

[stray elm]

The theme of the original Genesis 2 trailer

If you pay attention to it, it's a lot more slower and darker then the in-game Genesis-2 theme

[viral hornet]

Yeah

[winged dome]

Ah

[sharp garnet]

Aaaaaaaaaa

[magic geyser]

Ark 2 is gunna be so bad

[split dove]

tell us why you think it will be so bad

[magic geyser]

Because it’s not going to be like ark 1 and the pvp will suck the devs can’t make a good game so there going to have a dead game within a year but maybe it will be good but everyone I play ark with also thinks it will flop

[sharp garnet]

@magic geyser ohh dang wildcard just got roasted

[eternal wigeon]

ARK 2 could still be a great game, thing is we don't know till we see, but seeing what's going on with ARK 1 I have little hope

[lunar citrus]

Seeing what the ark 1 devs put out in their later maps/content actually gives me a lot of hope for ark 2

They're no longer amateurs, they have a budget, and most crucially of all they can start fresh instead of having to deal with the mess that is Ark 1

At minimum i'd hold the "omg game is going to be terrible" until we see some actual gameplay instead of just vin disel squaring off against a rex

[magic geyser]

Ong

[split dove]

or hearing his unholy grunts

[stray elm]

You know, the funniest shit i've seen in this chat is people that think if the current fanbase doesn't like the game, it'll die.
Plenty of games have changed from their original source, and just gained new communities.

The Bethesda-made Fallout's, post-Halo-3 titles, and many others are an example.

Gears of war 4-5, Skyrim, Resident-Evil 7-8, are other examples.

Oh, i haven't played it. But i've heard even the newer God-of-War wasn't much like the older trilogy.

[stray elm]

Honestly, so far i only have 2 things i'm going to be careful around.
A: The worry of ARK-2 staying primitive throughout its 7+ year lifespan.
B: Any story-bits that has to do with Vin, since i do not like any roles he has played. (though i need to give Riddick a try, since apparently that's what they're comparing Santiago to.)

[dry flame]

I just wanna say:

If the combat and building in Ark 2 are even remotely like Conan Exiles, I'm preordering.

[stray elm]

TRUE!

[dry flame]

This is the shit they need to be doing.

[stray elm]

The building in Conan is pretty damn good.
And the way Conan treats souls-like combat is good, but janky.
If ARK-2 can basically make a polished version of Conan's combat system, then i'm on board.

(also sounds like you'll be able to climb around anything like in Conan.)

[dry flame]

It's definitely got that early 2000s "maybe if I spam shit I can actually hit the multiple targets" feel but yeah, this is good stuff and the climbing's great too. IDK how they'll do that one though since they seem dependent on the dinos doing the action.

Maybe it's time to just rethink Ark's approach a bit. Maybe we don't need hundreds of dinos that each do 1-2 things, many with overlaps.

[stray elm]

No.
We need more

I could kind of see the souls-like combat working on smaller mounts like raptors.

Instead of rolling out of the way, they strafe out of the way.

[valid apex]

Riddick is Vin at his best. Highly recommend. Less talking, more stabbing.

[stray elm]

If that's how it he'll be in ARK-2, then i can roll with that.
Seems like his best acting is more when he acts as the quite, or one worded characters.

[valid apex]

He’s a good action movie star imo. So I’m definitely on board if that’s more in line with his role.

[stray elm]

I've only watched his Fast and Furious movies. (besides his role as Groot) and i've never liked his character in those movies.

[valid apex]

Although watching him fight in the Ark 2 trailer, the animations look really stale. Which kind of concerns me.

Stiff is a better description than stale..

[winged dome]

Yeah, I too noticed a weird stiffness to the animations in the original teaser trailer. Hopefully it's just a quirk and not reflective of the final product

[lunar citrus]

I'd chalk it up more to whatever pseudo motion capture they used for the cinematic

Ark animations are generally pretty high quality

[stray elm]

Later stuff, sure.
But day-one stuff that have never been updated are mid.

[lunar citrus]

They're not going to forget everything they learned over ark 1's development and start fresh

[stray elm]

Human animations like walking, and punching, are pretty simplistic for what they have now.

[stray elm]

Well, no der.
I was just talking about ARK 1's animations in general.

[fast isle]

Definitely gonna be 1 weapon with a huge aoe and hit speed

[ocean tendon]

better not take up 400+ gb

[dry flame]

Man, that's just gonna be the intro movie.

[winged pagoda]

Soo happy theyre doing third person..also surprised slowmode is on

[lime forge]

Slow mode is always on

It starts at 5 seconds and if things get wild it gets increased

[clever vortex]

With the second trailer the animations are great up until the point Vin shows up. Like the movements of the dinos looked great, but the human animations in the trailer feel a little off. Might be due to some kind of motion capture or just the fact that Wildcard has way more experience animating creatures than people.

[abstract birch]

The human movement looks off in both trailers cause for me it looks like they didn't use MO-Cap. The movment is wooden and not natural and fluent.

[wispy sierra]

yeah, the dino animation looked awesome but vin looks so stiff

[lime forge]

He probably just didn’t do any stretching that morning.

[agile jackal]

is ark 2 only releasing on xbox x?

[split dove]

pc and current gen xbox release, playstation will release later bc Sony doesn't really like early acces games, but upside is ark 2 is on xbox gamepass day one

[past wind]

I think it will be available for the S too

[past wind]

It can be the alpha state. I remember when they have improved just that for Ark 1.

It will be a 3rd person game only, it’s far more important now to have better animations.

[sharp garnet]

@past wind Ong. I hope they are very good

[lime forge]

Todays daily Ark 2 topic:
Skills and skill trees. What kind of skills do you want to see?

[untold ingot]

Beast master taming in 4 separate trees: herbivore, carnivore, sea creatures, and fliers

[lime forge]

Daaang that’s some heavy branching. I’d also like to see taming trees, but I hadn’t considered so much separation. I’d also like to see some a farming tree. Something that allows better and faster harvesting rates.

[untold ingot]

Anything that makes taming endgame tames harder early game, but easier endgame would be okay with me

And if most tames are passive tames of some kind, I can definitely see a taming skill becoming very useful

[lime forge]

That’s a good idea. Any specific skills you’d like to see for it? Something that might give a rising increase to any kind of taming bonus would be cool.

[blissful perch]

I’d rather see small, large, aquatic, and airborne as the tree splits

[untold ingot]

Anyway the tree splits is fine with me lol, I just want a lot of variety

[blissful perch]

I’d like to see the basic skills unlock taming of that creature class. Then within the tree add things that make it easier in some way. Perhaps making suboptimal food offer a lesser penalty, or have affinity drop slower. At higher levels you could perhaps offer more imprint % per imprint in the given creature class

[lime forge]

For imprint I was hoping for a breeding tree.

[lavish sparrow]

ugh really?

[lime forge]

Love me some breeding

[blissful perch]

I think breeding skills could be in the beast master tree

[lavish sparrow]

souls combat in ark?

[untold ingot]

I'm not super picky on unlocking tames at a certain point, but definitely making them faster and more effective