ark-2

[past wind]

But the basics I learnt playing

[blissful perch]

There’s nothing intuitive about torpor or taming. Force feeding narcotics and food having different effects on your tame for example…straight up not clear

And ofc that’s if you weren’t one of the tons of folks (myself included) who tried to tame an alpha raptor or carno

[vast sierra]

I guess I like the free play/roam aspect of the game. Options to choose what you want to do with out a target lock etc… I also like the option to switch from 1st to 3rd person. I feel that the first person view provides more depth to the game experience

[blissful perch]

I play so much of ark 1 mounted I couldn’t give less of a shit about first person lol

I’d probably riot like many folks do here if they dropped third person

[split dove]

no sane person rides dinos in first person

[vast sierra]

The 3rd person aspect is fine. I don’t care for the 3rd person pvp

[blissful perch]

I’d love a game like ark where players can’t actually make or use weapons

[vast sierra]

Only if I need to quick view areas near me

[past wind]

My two first tames were a dodo and a carbonemys using a slingshot 😂

[blissful perch]

You can only damage folks with tames 🧐

[past wind]

By the time I found an alpha, I didn’t try to tame it

[blissful perch]

Mine was a dodo and I think a trike, fists and slingshot respectively. But we had an alpha raptor stuck on a rock so we tried to KO it. Ran out of arrows XD

[past wind]

My first trike was on official pvp

I almost give up

Didn’t even have the narcotics entram back then

Actually I’m hyped for that experience above again 😂

Having to guess and knowing nothing about the game

[blissful perch]

I like intuiting things. I like it way less when I feel like the only answer is to fail repeatedly lol

“Hey you can do the same steps to tame a regular and alpha raptor except LOL you can’t tame an alpha raptor despite having identical UI elements and the game eluding to the idea you can tame almost anything”

[split dove]

having to ''respawn again'' 50 times to figure out how to do something lol

[past wind]

To be fair, when I first started back in 2015, even a rex was out of my league. 😂

Impossible to knock out (for me) and would take too much time to tame. I was playing on official pvp.

I had a steep learning curve back then and it was great

[split dove]

don't forget having to keep a therizino unconscious for a whole day aswell lol

[past wind]

This evil creature wasn’t there on the release

[blissful perch]

Yea I dropped official pretty quick so I didn’t try an official rex tame

[vital coral]

They it dies on the 20 min walk home 🙂

[blissful perch]

A bronto took 23 hrs iirc. Old 1x rates were torture

[split dove]

even more if it required 1000's of narcotics lol

[blissful perch]

I think what made it balanced had less to do with grind and more to do with the maximum power level a player could reach being soooo much lower

You didn’t have to beat any bosses or go to special regions to farm element or mut farm for 10 thousand years for the perfect line for everything…

[mighty lion]

I'd like to see adaptive balancing in place for most items / tames. Whether it be implementing direct counters or methodic counters.

[blissful perch]

Meaning post launch?

I think the best way to do adaptive balance for PvP without upsetting folks too much is season based PvP. That way you have cutoffs where you can make larger balance chances in response to the previous season’s data

Otherwise it’s very much “make a change -> hope it works in the wild -> gather sporadic data -> see what changes can be walked back or not without insanely negative responses -> repeat”

[royal fjord]

Hi

[mighty lion]

I think changes on a seasonal basis could work as long as they attempt to balance prior to seasonal releases.

[mighty lion]

Hi jubjub, this is where I reside till Ark 2 releases

[royal fjord]

Ya don’t come back the game is soooo bad atm the now are letting Pc players into Xbox severs and the have the pc hacks

[blissful perch]

Not much point then is there lol. But I can’t imagine hotfixes for balance emergencies should be as delayed as they are for ark 1

Like…stuff shooting outside turret range should really be a within 72 business hours kinda fix if it’s just a value imo

[stray elm]

Hear me out.
Since the Aratai's are just space-orcs. What if we get a Nemesis system for them.

[split dove]

space-trols it is then

[stray elm]

Lol, imagine a mutated sub-species of Aratai's that are just giant trolls.

[blissful perch]

Aratai ganks when

[untold totem]

You don't need Tek nor modern/industrial technology to even make super colorful dyes

The Egyptians made assortment of colors with just primitive ingredients

There is also a museum for rare colors that are made from natural sources

What I want for the ARK painting to be as basic as it can be like MS paint, minus the color sliders and with limited palette (like the admin dyes)

Especially with the whole "making dyes out of 3/4 kinds of resources" immersion going on

Image conversion should be build in game as well

[stray elm]

A lot of red-dyes are from grounded up insects.

[regal spear]

I hope base building in ark two isnt so much as a base, but more of a fort, with a more primitive building style. Palisades and palisade gates would be a cool feature.

[rare heart]

Not what i meant

I want the entire game sequel to be sort of stuck in a single age and be mote focused on the primitive side of ark

dyes? Idc

Id likr a wide selection just not too much

[stray elm]

Yeaaaaah, no thanks.
While i agree that the base-game should be primitive focused. One of ARK's unique factors is that you progress through different ages as you progress.
Removing that outright through the 7+ years of ARK-2's lifetime is going to be a no-go.

[untold ingot]

A more developed level of progression would be cool though. Ark1's progression goes from primative, skips the medieval and industrial, and goes straight to information Era and futuristic. It would be cool if it spent more time around ancient and medieval, at least until the next dlc

I wouldn't be unhappy if we didn't see tek until like a third dlc

[stray elm]

This is why i think every DLC should be a age theme.

You'd literally have a whole map/almost new game based around that age.

[untold ingot]

I wouldn't complain about that, but it would make it terrible for pvp, if all the new ages were locked behind a paywall it would be bad lol

[stray elm]

Have counters for unga-bunga people.

[blissful perch]

Sounds insanely boring lol

You want a static world environment to keep up with people with weapons ranging from spears to advanced firearms? It just doesn’t work

Runaway player power is the #1 biggest gripe I have with ark 1. I’m very eager to see it eat dirt if possible 😇. It ruins the adaptive survival elements of ark that I find enjoyable

[untold ingot]

Not sure if I get what you mean by that

Oh, never mind, I got it lol

[stray elm]

Pretty sure they've already confirmed that ARK-2 wont be a static world.

[blissful perch]

They objectively did confirm that. No wipes = world is the same

[untold ingot]

I don't see any issue with a survival game like ark leading into an empire building type game

[blissful perch]

The world does not progress alongside the players

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure what to begin to say…I mean I guess we can make COD a text based role playing game too? It’s just wildly off genre 😅

[untold ingot]

There was that myth of empires game that was an empire building survival game, and supposedly they stole their whole code base from ark

[stray elm]

To be fair. Halo was made into a RTS game, and it worked.

[blissful perch]

The halo franchise perhaps

Unless there’s a secret Halo main series game I missed that was an RTS?

[stray elm]

Halo Wars is a prequel.

And Halo-Wars 2 is essential was the first introduction of the new main faction.

[blissful perch]

What I’m seeing of Halo wars is a precise proving of my point

[stray elm]

What's your point?

[blissful perch]

It’s NOT a main series halo game. It’s a spin-off in the same universe

[untold ingot]

Mixing game genres isn't a bad idea

[stray elm]

Yeah.
And i still want my ARK Rts spin-off game.

[blissful perch]

It’s a bad idea to randomly swap genres entirely though in your main series games

[stray elm]

I don't think that's what their idea was.

[untold ingot]

It isn't really a genre swap

[blissful perch]

Objectively it is a genre swap

There is objectively no RTS elements or mechanics built into ark

[untold ingot]

More of an extension to what already is in ark

[stray elm]

I think they meant 'you start from nothing and need to survive from the start, to building your own empire'

Which we already do, to an extent with creatures

[stray elm]

Exo-Mek

[blissful perch]

Empire implies some sort of organized conquest…which would be a bit bizarre given ark’s sandbox nature

[stray elm]

Don't give me that face.
You know it counts.

[untold ingot]

Mainly because it is ineffective, and people don't know how to use it properly. Whistling is rts in a primative form

[blissful perch]

Sorry let me rephrase. remotely not shoehorned in RTS mechanics

[stray elm]

There we go

[untold ingot]

It all depends on the aratai

[blissful perch]

With that logic, thinking is an RTS mechanic, as is moving to dodge a bullet

[stray elm]

"organized conquest" isn't that just PvP when played legit?

[blissful perch]

Since there’s no win condition, I’d say no

[untold ingot]

You don't need a win condition 🫤

[stray elm]

Why not?

[blissful perch]

If you can show me a single sandbox RTS I’ll consider that argument

[untold ingot]

Having an express win condition narrows the vision of a game like ark

[blissful perch]

You’re asking ark to conform to a genre known for having concrete win conditions Raq

[stray elm]

That doesn't explain to us why you need a winning condition for it to be "organized conquest"

[untold ingot]

Uh, no, I am saying ark can implement some of those concepts to give a more immersive endgame

[blissful perch]

I simply assumed building an empire required organized conquest because an empire eludes to having some sort of large scale land conquest

[stray elm]

HANG ON!

Spore is a sandbox RTS.

[blissful perch]

Spore is a fantastic example of a constrained game with concrete but flexible win conditions

[untold ingot]

I already did mention an example of it a bit ago

[blissful perch]

There’s multiple ways to win that allow you to employ unique strategies

[blissful perch]

Mmm what game?

[untold ingot]

I think it is called myth of empires, or something like that. It took lots of code from ark and turned progression from survival to building an empire

[stray elm]

I actually like the concept Raq is suggesting. But i'm not sure if they meant a 'full' RTS system.
Cause 'i' was more thinking basically expand what you already can do in PvP, but with a larger scale wars and larger buildings, and more micro-managing other stuff.

[stray elm]

Isn't that game dead though?

[untold ingot]

I don't want a full rts like civ6 or Warhammer in ark, but I would love to see some more large scale stuff

[untold ingot]

Yeah it is, but mainly due to copyright infringement removing it from steam

[stray elm]

Right, so in-person type of RTS?
Where you're still a physical character. But you can operate large scale wars.

[untold ingot]

Yeah, but also the infrastructure

[stray elm]

Explain what that funny last word means.

[untold ingot]

I don't particularly mind large scale wars, but I really like it when games offer infrastructure creation

[stray elm]

@blissful perch So, whatcha think if this idea instead of the full blown turning ARK 2 into a RTS game later on?

[untold ingot]

One big problem with ark1 is that all the infrastructure you need is a couple crafting benches and a cave with power and turrets

I would like to see more options

[stray elm]

I have no idea what infrastructure means

[blissful perch]

I’m reading about myth of empires

Pretty shady what they’re accursed of doing with ark code

[untold ingot]

the basic physical and organizational structures and facilities (e.g. buildings, roads, power supplies) needed for the operation of a society or enterprise.

[stray elm]

Ahhh

[untold ingot]

Yeah, as a company and a game they are pretty trash, but the concept of the game is sound

[stray elm]

(and people think Wildcard is bad)

[blissful perch]

People think every studio is bad because frankly they don’t know what they’re talking about

[stray elm]

Or bother to understand the 'why' of stuff

[untold ingot]

In either case, I would love to see more games of that genre. Building from a survival game like ark and creating the infrastructure of an empire. Ark has the capacity to make that happen, but they just haven't done that yet

[blissful perch]

It took me this long to find a half decent article describing this myth of empires game

[stray elm]

They did state "build your own dino-aided civilization" so we'll see if that means anything, or just a zing.

[blissful perch]

Aaand it doesn’t say squat about the empire building

[untold ingot]

It would be pretty fantastic to be able to make a dinotopiaesque civilization

[stray elm]

That might be their aim

[blissful perch]

I’m guessing the goal for ark is smaller and more compact “functional” bases

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I don't k ow if it ever got finished. The game got shut down really fast

[stray elm]

Basically

[untold ingot]

I never played it, I just read about it a bit

[blissful perch]

More time spent exploring and less time spending tons of time squatting around in a giant breeding pen

[blissful perch]

I’ve seen almost nothing about an empire system. Seems to be some sort of land claim system and NPC stuff…but it doesn’t look all that complex

[untold ingot]

Having loads of exploration in a game is great, but what happens after a year or more when everyone has all the map memorized and want more to do

[blissful perch]

I can’t say how well it works without watching a video, and I’m not down to sift through crummy reviews before I get a good one

[blissful perch]

You make another map

That’s what happened with ark 1 🤷‍♂️

And then when you run out of maps you make a new game. We’ve just watched how well that played out lol

[untold ingot]

The time frame for exploration of a new map, even a hard map like ab is like a month or two at best

[blissful perch]

Problem not identified. Do you think ark 2 owes us thousands of hours of novel content?

[untold ingot]

I would be dissatisfied with it if it didnt

[blissful perch]

Gonna go ahead and say that’s an insane take considering ark 1 failed to provide that and almost all games fail to provide that

[untold ingot]

Ark1 definitely had thst, but it was all tied up in the breeding/rng loot drops

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 can have you spend thousands of hours, but it sure ain’t novel

You monotonously repeat the same task you’ve been doing for the bulk of your time. That’s hardly novel content. Given how people snap it up, I’m skeptical it’s required to seek thousands of hours of novel content to keep up retention

[untold ingot]

So adding more infrastructure to the game, and more things that you can do that aren't monotonous...

[blissful perch]

I’m saying monotony sold just fine, and you’re gonna be insanely hard pressed to beat monotony down at the multi thousand hour mark

Anything is gonna feel dry if you have to do it for that long, it’s just a matter of how fast

[untold ingot]

People do it because that is what there is. If there was more depth to the late endgame it would be better imo

[blissful perch]

The complaint would be the same

Any action when repeated ad nauseam is gonna get that reaction

[untold ingot]

That may be the case, but that holds true for any game 🙄, or anything really

[blissful perch]

Yes, which is my point. It’s an impossible expectation

Make the gameplay fun and people will repeat it. Doesn’t need to be insanely unique all the time

[untold ingot]

An impossible expectation to have more infrastructure in the game?

I feel like you latched on to one thing I said and ignored the whole point of what I was saying lol

[blissful perch]

I mean infrastructure also seems to fly in the face of how the game works, but if they made PvP faction based and had people make territory nations you could have infrastructure

But if you can’t reliably claim and maintain large open plots of land I’m not sure what interesting infrastructure you could add. I assume you want large NPC/tame groups and corresponding power and defense networks?

[untold ingot]

I honestly don't see how that would be a problem if done correctly

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure how you’d do that correctly without some pretty major changes

[untold ingot]

Implementation of a couple simple ideas would make it work

[blissful perch]

Walk me through what simple ideas would get us from ark 1 PvP to this idea

[untold ingot]

I wasn't really thinking from a pvp side for this

[blissful perch]

I mean this has gotta work for PvP…since PvE is much more flexible to this idea

PvE you can do whatever you want if it’s fun... since you can choose as a dev how you want the environment to behave. PvP you’re constrained by what other players will do and how they’ll attempt to exploit the experience, and that’s much harder to account for

[untold ingot]

That is true. With a more advanced land claiming method like the capture the flag mod has it would fix the land claim issue. Building settlements with garrisons and removing overpowered handheld ranged weapons would do a lot to help with the pvp side

No matter what way you look at it pvp will dissolve into a chaotic lawless wasteland of people fighting unless it is organized differently, so I really wasn't worried about making that work lol

[blissful perch]

I just see any infrastructure/empire mechanics as either 1.) a way to incentivize massive land hogging PvE bases or 2.) a content lock that forces out small tribes in PvE and PvP

If I’m on a private server it sounds fun…but with a lot of people it sounds miserable. It would be nice to see the MMO dropped to make that happen but I’m not getting that impression

[untold ingot]

If the amount of land grabbing is limited, and there are interactions between groups, I don't see the issue

[blissful perch]

I mean the goal of an empire is to expand though right? How would you expand an empire if you had heavily limited land grabbing?

[untold ingot]

Pick a different word than empire then, like civilization or something

[blissful perch]

I could raid someone to wipe them I suppose if i capped out on land claims but what makes that different from ark 1?

[untold ingot]

For pvp obviously a limit to owned land makes no sense

[blissful perch]

I’m not trying to be obtuse but I’m trying to figure out how gameplay would change if at all

If there’s no limit an alpha tribe can just own all the land right?

[untold ingot]

On pvp sure, but that already happens so I don't see the issue

And land grabbing already happens in kind of an unchecked manner on pve with pillar spamming anyway

With a proper infrastructure and land claiming system, it would disallow pillar spam on pvp, and have the option for more types of player player interaction like trade routes, etc

Having ui to allow for hiring guides out of random players for larger settlements to protect trade routes them from aratai raids would be cool too

[ocean tendon]

ark 2 sounds weird

needs a better name

[stray elm]

It does

ARK-2 just sounds a bit basic.

Needs a undertitle

[south lance]

a more automated system that allows small tribes to exploit larger tribe infrastructure, and a generally larger map, might work well enough

[stray elm]

👀

[south lance]

ever since caravans were mentioned i feel like its an ingenious way to balance ark pvp if only they make caravans the primary way to move resources, and said caravans being slow enough to exploit

[tropic crag]

You mean... like a TC? Which I've suggested multiple times? 😅

[untold ingot]

Yeah, sort of like that

[south lance]

ofc the map would need to be massive and resources more concentrated in certain sections of the map but thats not too hard

[tropic crag]

Like Rust, which has the formula down, minus the dinosaurs? That has wipes, too, though... soooooo

[untold ingot]

I am thinking more on a pve aspect though, not really pvp for this

[south lance]

what does tc stand for

[untold ingot]

I don't k ow if it stands for anything, it is the structure in rust that claims base locations

[south lance]

oh

[tropic crag]

Tool cupboard, it's a structure in Rust that you put materials into (usually the same materials that your base is constructed of, bigger base = more daily materials drained for upkeep so your base doesn't decay) and it works really well imo and should be the one thing that Ark 2 borrows from Rust, if anything

[south lance]

i dont really see how itd be super relevant unless resource drain is heavy enough

though thats just a numbers game

this is all to prevent bases taking up too much land right

[untold ingot]

Yeah, I think it should be the only thing ark borrows from rust, other than how expensive explosives are

[south lance]

i think this is pretty balanced overall tbh

[untold ingot]

In rust it doesn't prevent you from taking all the land there is, it just makes it expensive to hold land

[south lance]

since its not like bases are size capped, just requires more and more upkeep

ye and thats good

[untold ingot]

It works great for pvp, it wouldn't work for pve without some extisive changes

[south lance]

why wouldnt it work for pve though

its just a prevention to decay timer no?

[untold ingot]

Not really no

[south lance]

then?

where does it conflict with pve

[untold ingot]

I mean, I guess on a primative level it is

[tropic crag]

Gotta defend the tool cupboard like a generator, basically. Hide it away somewhere where no one can get to it

[tropic crag]

It would certainly work for PvE, tf? Rust has PvE lol

[untold ingot]

Because in rust you can spam a million of them everywhere and claim a ton of land at almost no cost, if structures weren't able to be destroyed by other players

[tropic crag]

[south lance]

id just set up a hard decay timer that instead of being some timer that you automatically reset, its damage a structure takes over time if not near a TC like structure

[tropic crag]

There's a limit to how many TCs you can have, boom, problem solved

[south lance]

instead of just something that repairs damage

TC is early game right

[tropic crag]

No lol

[south lance]

rip

[tropic crag]

It's always there, no matter what. You need it to upkeep your base, no matter the material it's made of

Like a generator and turrets would do, in Ark 1

[south lance]

i mean whether its available in early game or late game

[tropic crag]

Same concept

[untold ingot]

Yeah, the concept of it is sound. But pve players like to build big expensive bases and not have them dissapear if they dont farm 24 hours of metal every day

[tropic crag]

Well yeah, you spawn with the blueprint in Rust so

[south lance]

do you need to level up or get rare resources or whatever

[south lance]

oh ok

[tropic crag]

It's made out of wood and some stone and metal iirc

[tropic crag]

If they want a big extravagant base, they'll have to pay for it. Pretty sensical to me...

[untold ingot]

The cost of keeping a pve base around would have to be really small otherwise the amount of farming that would have to be constantly done would be overkill

[tropic crag]

Not really

[south lance]

id agree, its a lesser of 2 evils imo, iirc official pve is a wasteland of people taking over maps with structures but i havent actually played on it

easiest solution would just be to change how fast decay works between pvp and pve

[tropic crag]

If you want a huge ass compound that takes up a lot of the map, you better have a tribe to farm with you or have no life, either or. I don't think that's bad any way you spin it 🤷‍♂️

[south lance]

or to remove entirely from pve if they just NEED those big bases

[tropic crag]

Since the no lifers are gonna no life, can't stop em

[south lance]

but idk enough about pve to really say

[tropic crag]

PvE would be fixed 100% with the TC added for sure

[untold ingot]

The big draw to pve is that you dont have to no life the game. If you force people to no life pve just to be able to build a decent base, itll basically drive more people away from official lol

[south lance]

but is structure spam a really big issue on pve

[tropic crag]

Official PvE* that is

[untold ingot]

It is THE issue on pve lol

[south lance]

if structure spam is a massive issue this seems like the easiest way to prevent this

[tropic crag]

Yes, it is lol. Hop into any official PvE rght now, I dare you. You'll probably throw up

[untold ingot]

I do like the idea of a rust like tc for pve, but just one without a cost of maintanence

[south lance]

but then doesnt that just make people spam TC everywhere

[tropic crag]

Hence the words huge and extravagant I used earlier, lmao

[south lance]

there needs some sort of upkeep even if minimal

[untold ingot]

Limit it to 3 or so, so that people can claim only 3 spots, with one main tc, and two subsidiaries

[south lance]

i suppose that works

[tropic crag]

A normal, reasonably sized base would be fine and easy to maintain

[untold ingot]

Why shouldnt people be able to make huge and extravagant bases?

[south lance]

depends if it prevents other people from playing

[untold ingot]

What prevents other people from playing is pillar and foundation spam, not big bases

[south lance]

admittedly, such a base that prevents others from playing would be larger than render

[tropic crag]

They can, but they have to pay the price... did you miss that part? I specifically stated it earlier

[untold ingot]

I fail to see how that helps anything, and I only see the issue it causes

[tropic crag]

What issues? If your base is the size of north trop island on The Center, you should have to pay a heavy price to keep it that way

[untold ingot]

For pvp 100%, for pve I would prefer just a standard timer

[untold ingot]

If you are limited to 3 tcs, and those have a limited range, then bases like that wouldnt be possible.

[tropic crag]

Not necessarily, the range of the TCs can be adjusted with my personal vision of how they would work

[untold ingot]

The idea of pve is to encourage more people to play, not to shackle those that already do. I just really dont like the idea of an upkeep cost on pve

[tropic crag]

Well, then pillar spam is going to continue, either that or a really robust TC based system

[untold ingot]

Or a land claim type system...

[south lance]

well the tc doesnt really change anything for smaller tribes besides moderately increase resource costs

[untold ingot]

Again, I am talking only about a pve mechanic with limiting the number of tcs

[south lance]

i dont think anything changes on a small scale, just on larger ones

[untold ingot]

For pvp obviously a different approach would be necessary

[tropic crag]

Which is what a TC is, to be fair

[south lance]

you only have to farm for a proportionally smaller base usually

[tropic crag]

PvP, sure, I can understand that POV. PvE? That makes no sense. PvP should be a structured wipe based mode anyways, so there's that

[south lance]

that depends on how defense works

i mean a small tribe is always going to get wiped by someone with more resources

[untold ingot]

Upkeep tc work in rust because it takes like 30 minutes or a decent amount of luck to get shot into endgame weapons. There is a reason rust wipes last like 2 weeks. It is an entirely different game than ark. Ark progression takes a bit more

[tropic crag]

Not in PvP, lol

[south lance]

reducing upper limit for base strength probably is beneficial in the long run to prevent entire servers from essentially being shut down by massive bases that each take 4 hours to raid

[tropic crag]

Have you played smalls?

[south lance]

just need to reduce resource costs to restart again

so as to make the game somewhat worth playing xd

[untold ingot]

For pve it absolutely makes sense. A nolifer just has to claim and wall of the best metal spots, and then no one else would be able to farm the upkeep for a metal base. On ark an upkeep pve tc would act effectively as a gatekeeping strategy unless rare resources were easy to get

[tropic crag]

There's already no building on certain resource spawns, so that's a non-issue but ok

[south lance]

perhaps not always then, but how common is your situation in general

[tropic crag]

Getting really close to grasping at this point, imo...

[untold ingot]

I mean, I held an ice cave solo against 4 separate attacks of 10+ people on 1x. All that matters is location and game knowledge, up to a point obviously

[south lance]

X tribe beating off 2-10x the forces

hm

[untold ingot]

Either way, I am really hoping ark2 defenses consist of more than just proper turret placement lol

[tropic crag]

So, base size doesn't matter, if the players are better and more coordinated then you will win, obviously. Making your earlier point meaningless

This one

Ok, and?

[south lance]

ideally TC would be sufficient to support the average base

[tropic crag]

How so lmao? I've been here from the get go, I started the TC convo bud

[south lance]

and decay wouldnt be fast enough to destroy a base in 1 day

[untold ingot]

If a raid were to last for 24 hours to a week, which wasnt uncommon earlier on in ark, a small tribe being able to keep up with upkeep on a large base would be practically impossible

I have played both ark and rust quite a bit lol

[tropic crag]

No, you can't offer a legitimate reason for TCs to not exist, past "oh well it takes more upkeep and you can't set up proper defenses", which is dead wrong.

[south lance]

knowing that raids can last more than 48 hours straight feels disgusting xd

[untold ingot]

They are different games. With rust small groups make small bases out in the open. Ark allows for a small group of skilled players to be able to compete against overwhelming odds and win by using proper strategy

[tropic crag]

Then they didn't store enough mats in their cupboard, sucks for them

[untold ingot]

I had a point when I was raided non stop by 3 tribes for 5 days. I lost because I ran out of bullets and mantis

[south lance]

yeah i dont think that should be possible lol

[untold ingot]

Why not?

[south lance]

though theres not much of a way to prevent it in ark

idk just not having a break for a week straight is just weird

[tropic crag]

No durr. I've played both as well, owned servers on both too. They're more alike then you're letting on, but go off I guess

[untold ingot]

Thats what pvp on a perpetual server is though, there is no way to change that other than orp, which is way too broken for sustainable servers

[south lance]

yeah i know

no way to prevent it

guess thats what time zone requirements are for :p

[untold ingot]

They have similarities, but not enough to justify huge upkeep costs imo

Ark relies a lot more on having a secure base. It is also a lot harder to make a comeback than it is on rust

[tropic crag]

Huge upkeep costs are only for huge, unnecessary bases though. Again, you've missed my point completely 🤦‍♂️

[untold ingot]

In pvp there is no such thing as a huge unnecessary base, and I thought we already agreed that limiting landgrab on pve fixed that as well

[stray elm]

Hey Bruce, you know the Nemesis-system?

[tropic crag]

Pointing out the few differences doesn't negate the similarities, but y'all are gonna beat that horse beyond it's expiration date so I'm out for now. Deuces 👋

[tropic crag]

Yeah, the one that's trademarked or whatever? From the Mordor games

[stray elm]

The coding is trademarked, the concept isn't.
But since we're practically going to fight space-orcs. I wonder how a Nemesis like system would do in ARK-2.

[untold ingot]

I am all for a tc based system. I just think upkeep costs for them are better left to rust. I would much rather worry about making fertilizer or gasoline to keep a base online than having to waste that much raw material just to keep a base from decaying randomly

[untold ingot]

What is a nemesis system?

[tropic crag]

It could work, but I dunno, if respawning becomes un-canon or at least un-supported in the climate of Ark 2, that won't really work

Since half of the mechanic involves dying to certain enemies ya know

[untold ingot]

I mean, if fighting aratai, I guess that would work

[tropic crag]

I like the idea though, out of character/game, at least. Maybe have it just be like a between the player and the game type of thing, not referenced in game perhaps? But then, you couldn't really tie any buffs or loot to the ones who killed you, without it being weird that is

[south lance]

praying they make aratai npcs you can use to automate tasks

i mean theyll spawn naturally hopefully

istg if they make aratai breeding animations

[stray elm]

In short, a villain generator (will explain more)

[untold ingot]

I am more envisioning human npcs to automate tasks really

[untold ingot]

Ah, okay

[stray elm]

'Yes'

[south lance]

why human npcs though

[untold ingot]

Its just a hunch

[south lance]

aight

[untold ingot]

I really doubt that will happen

[stray elm]

In Shadow of War, you have orcs that are autogenerated in everything.
From their appearance, to their personality, (yes, each one has their own unique personality to an extent) to their own strengths and weaknesses.

[south lance]

so this is what all those people wanted first person for 🤔

xd

[untold ingot]

I feel like this could be a cool way to replace loot drops

[stray elm]

If they want the Aratai to be the main villains. It'd be a good idea (at least personally) if they got you more invested in that, even if you don't care for lore.
And so, that's where the Nemesis system would take its place in ARK-2.
'Roughly' each Aratai is procedurally generated with a mixture of different stuff.

[stray elm]

That's ironically how you get the best loot also.

[south lance]

i do want to have npc that can automate tasks, ill be fine with breeding them to minmax their abilities in different areas, minecraft does the breeding part and nobody complains so it should go fine with customers

[stray elm]

Different tier orcs have fewer weaknesses, and more strengths.
And the higher rank they are, the better the loot when you kill them.

[stray elm]

Thing is, people are fine with it in Minecraft cause the community's headcanon is that Villagers aren't humans.

[untold ingot]

I dont want aratai to be the villains though, I would prefer a more complex story/gameplay than just us vs some villain lol

[south lance]

well thats why we should have this done with aratai instead i suppose

[stray elm]

TRUE

[south lance]

or just make the love making process a bit more convoluted

make it a sims game xddd

[stray elm]

I also want them to be more complex, but that should be a 'hinted at the beginning, but explored later on' type of thing.
As of 'right now' / the base-game, they're the antagonists.

I shouldn't say 'villains' but 'antagonists' instead.

[south lance]

one of

maybe not the antagonist

[stray elm]

True.
"Dark forces" is a bit sus

[south lance]

actually, i guarantee they arent the actual antagonist just because modern story writing never allows the real antagonist to be the one you see first

[stray elm]

So if anything, they're the antagonist for the first half of the game, before being replaced by the main big-bad.
Kind of like the Flood in Halo-1.

[south lance]

like most stories these days really

[stray elm]

Yeah.
Which i like, if done right.

[south lance]

its not bad, just common

[stray elm]

Which ARK-1 kind of also did.

[south lance]

makes things predictable sometimes

[stray elm]

Overseer was the antagonist of The Island, Rockwell of Aberration, then Element as a whole is the antagonist of all of ARK-1's story.

[untold ingot]

I dont know, maybe its just me, but I dont want a big bad, other than the environment

[south lance]

other times i dont care enough about being a petty shitter about predicting the story and just try to enjoy it lol

[stray elm]

'no'

[south lance]

idk how well an environmental enemy would work

ark kinda moved away from that too early

[stray elm]

That's the issue with my dad.
He tries to predict everything before it happens, and it's like "bruh, just enjoy the fucking movie."

[south lance]

they could probably reinstate that again but theyd need the game to be WAAY more survival focused than anything else

[stray elm]

And he doesn't keep it to himself.
And he's so fucking on point, that whenever he has a theory. He basically spoils the movie already.

[south lance]

my parents just dont pay attention so when they do that i have to correct them over something mentioned multiple times since the start lol

[south lance]

i think the whole abberation college students is probably the closest ark has gotten to this really

i dont think even island had much focus on the environment as a danger for more than a couple of the first notes

does extinction count?

[stray elm]

There should be an overarching antagonist. With the environment being a pseudo-antagonist.

[south lance]

fighting off element creatures is essentially on the same level as fighting off dinos but is man v beast a type of man v environment or should it be considered separately

either case those two above are probably the closest ark got to making the environment the villain

story wise

[untold ingot]

Why though?

[lime forge]

Y’all’s parents watch movies with you?

[south lance]

i watched the matrix with my dad yesterday

[stray elm]

Cause ARK's universe just doesn't really suit the environment being the main antagonist.

[untold ingot]

This is ark2 though. It isnt governed by an overseer trying to make survivors capable of fighting the king titan. It is an alien planet...

[south lance]

true

i just dunno how itd work when we already have a sentient enemy

aratai^

[stray elm]

An alien planet that could have a mysterious origins.
And element is still a thing, since the soils of the Eden Ring where filled with them. Hints why stryders where made

[south lance]

are there any good fiction stories about tribes fighting each other with emphasis on the environment

[untold ingot]

I personally feel that is reaching too far lol

[stray elm]

Not at all, but sure

[untold ingot]

Any good fiction story imo has enough of a focus on the environment to make it believable

[south lance]

but that doesnt really make the environment the center of the story no?

[stray elm]

Right

It's an obstacle, not the main threat.

[untold ingot]

Aratai are the environment... That doesnt make them villains

[south lance]

aratai are closer to people than standard environmental threat imo

[stray elm]

But they are an 'antagonist'

[untold ingot]

Antagonist is entirely different from villain though

[stray elm]

Right, and i've stated i should've said they're the antagonist then villains.

[south lance]

aratai probably wont be the main villain in any case unless theres some big bad aratai we all need to fight or something

[untold ingot]

I dont really see the need to have a big bad in a story though. That just makes it kind of cookie cutter really\

[south lance]

wish ark 2 story was closer to how district 9 worked out with the aliens being forced to live in slums because they couldnt fight back and had no where to go

[stray elm]

You think ARK 1's story is cookie cutter?

[south lance]

i mean isnt there only a handful of unique plotlines in literature

such that every story is a version of those plotlines

[untold ingot]

To a degree yes

[stray elm]

You have sometimes the most greatest, but oddest opinions. And i both fear, and respect that.

[untold ingot]

Yes, and the "big bad" is the most primative of those storylines

[untold ingot]

I dont know how to feel about that lol

[south lance]

i think it includes the simplest plots, but its not necessarily always part of simplistic stories

[untold ingot]

Its a very unbalanced way of looking at a narrative

[south lance]

but yeah im not saying we need another rockwell, just some ideas for where ark2 could go

[stray elm]

Like, i feel like Element as a big-bad wasn't bad.
It's a hivemind, so it's not a individual.
Whenever you're fighting a element-based lifeform, you are fighting 'element' itself.
And element has been around since The Island, and an actual threat in Extinction and beyond.

[south lance]

wdym by unbalanced

like lacking in certain key factors required to make a good story?

[untold ingot]

All stories that portray a big bad character portray an unbalanced viewpoint in favor of whatever moral standing the author chooses to proscribe for the story to the detriment of stances. It is a narrow viewpoint that doesn't really allow stories to have much depth.

Obviously with some talent it is possible to make a good story that way, but usually that isnt the case

[south lance]

oh

i suppose thats fair

[untold ingot]

So yeah, I hope there isnt a big bad, and that the story takes a more ingenious approach

That makes a more balanced approach yes, but is much harder to pull off

[south lance]

i mean we already see a source of conflict between aratai and human thats already somewhat understandable

humans barging into aratai lands gonna be some massive allegory for the colonization of the americas or something xd

[untold ingot]

I think that is true, which is one of the main reasons why I dont want to see the aratai in general viewed as a big bad in need of extermination. That concept just doesnt sit well with me lol

[south lance]

i mean we wont

i doubt WC will go all in on some 40k type lore tbh

just based on them seeming to be left leaning

there will be some way humans and aratai unite against a different threat

i cant imagine a single threat that hasnt already been tried by WC though

we already have entire ecosystems be a singular threat against the characters, and individuals, and empires, etc

we beat a simulation how many times, 3 or 4?

3 i think

[untold ingot]

1 lol

[south lance]

well overseer is on the same level as cmc imo

idk what happened on scorched

[untold ingot]

Its not a simulation though

[stray elm]

This is where i'm hoping the 'darker forces' come into play.
Forcing the Aratai to unite with Humans.

[south lance]

the reason you approach both cmc and overseer is the same though, just to ascend to another realm

[south lance]

i dunno what those could even look like tbh

[stray elm]

Not really-ish?

[stray elm]

Corruption 2.0

[untold ingot]

Or humans could be the darker force, or the goal could be a mutual alliance with the aratai, and a containment of dinos to stop them from destroying the environment

[south lance]

that could be neat

[stray elm]

You go to another ARK, sure. But it's the same reality.

[stray elm]

I doubt humans are the darker forces, since the way it was written is that the 'darker forces' is a threat to 'us'

[south lance]

the darker force being ecological collapse tho

its not really mentioned in a way to point towards such a threat but itd definitely be different

[stray elm]

"and confront powerful dark forces seeking to control the fate of all life."
Sounds like a form of Element to me.

[south lance]

or just the source of element

[stray elm]

Exactly.

Arat, or the main celestial planet could be the origins of element.
I believe it was actually Rockwell that sent us to Arat, since he said "now that we've arrived to my new domain"
Could be his hivemind mind wanting to return to their home-planet.

[south lance]

makes sense

[untold ingot]

Hmm, that is an interesting concept

[south lance]

i wonder what the aratai are then

since they dont seem to be corrupted

which is strange when earth was entirely corrupted yet not even the source of element

[stray elm]

They're natives.

The steam page already confirms this.

[south lance]

yes

[stray elm]

They're just aliens that evolved like primates.

[south lance]

but i mean what is their relationship to element

[stray elm]

They might not have one.

[south lance]

if arat is the source of element

but thatd be nearly impossible especially if element desires to control/corrupt life

unless life on arat evolved to resist element

[stray elm]

Or evolved alongside it, like the creatures of Extinction.

[south lance]

maybe

[stray elm]

It's odd if actually that is element, since Marc established that element isn't inherently evil, just doing what it evolved to do like a virus.

[south lance]

im of the belief that the creatures in extinction were managed by the proto arks in order to prevent them from fully corrupting though the gasbags is the only creature i cant really explain, and gachas ig but those are a meme

[stray elm]

HLN-A also semi-confirms that element just adapted to the tek-war.
"Element can adapt to its environment in 'unpredictable' ways"

[south lance]

element is probably some sorta gray goo type of material tbh

[stray elm]

It's purple though?

[south lance]

gray goo is just the concept of a self replicating machine

[stray elm]

OOOH!

You know, you may not be too off the nose.

[south lance]

ye the little robots that devour planets

except in this case its probably also somewhat of an AI

[stray elm]

Since one of Genesis 2's characters theories that element was sent down as a gift, or test.

[south lance]

i still dunno how those on arat could deal with whatever the element or source of it is

[untold ingot]

I dont remember reading this

[south lance]

and given ark2 is supposed to be more primitive i cant imagine theres some secretly high tech society

what would the source of element on arat look like

or maybe its not even on arat but on one of the planets

[stray elm]

The transhuman states this at one point in the Santiago notes

[south lance]

perhaps the debris that made the rockwell side of the genesis ship fell into the actual home of element

[stray elm]

Damn, you're now making me think more of element being a highly advanced gray-goo

I looked it up, and now i remember that concept was used in Godzilla Earth

[untold totem]

i definitely despise the concept of "home of element" like the original source is purely artificially made when "element is naturally everywhere" like actual periodic table of element in actual meteorites is fine

[stray elm]

Element being on other planets doesn't confirm it's natural. Just means it has spreaded to other planets.
It can still go either way.

[untold totem]

other planets, sure but in actual space, like in the asteroid belt it's "natural" in a sense

[stray elm]

Wasn't it established by HLN-A that the asteroids where torn off from the planets a LOONG time ago to drain the planets the ships stops at for resources?

So them being on astroids is cause they where chunks from the planet.

[untold totem]

i never seen one that mentioned planets aside from the space bridge about "finding hospitable areas", but she do mentioned asteroids a lot

[stray elm]

Could be wrong, but i swear the astroids where from the planets

[south lance]

Element just being naturally occurring feels weird to me

Like something so active in its goals shouldnt be natural imo

[untold totem]

i mean in actual space science, planets form from multiple asteriods

[stray elm]

Yeah, it does.

[south lance]

Maybe element is just an exotic material that fell from a higher realm and is simply a far better candidate for dominating a world than conventional biochemistry is

Doesnt homo deus already live on a separate plane of existence

Maybe element comes from there

[untold ingot]

Technically speaking, the vast majority of asteroids are from planets, or rather protoplanets

[untold ingot]

That doesnt really make sense though. Their existence isnt another universe

[south lance]

Well where is it

All we get is that homo deus exists in a realm beyond humans

Is that just some digital universe created by the arks?

[untold ingot]

There is no well established theory for the formation of the planets. There are some well educated guesses, but that is all they are

[untold ingot]

From what I have seen, it only mentions that they are able to observe, but not interact. That doesnt imply the existence of a separate existance

[abstract saddle]

you all sound so smart

lmao

[tropic crag]

I remember many references in the notes to Homo Deus ascending to a higher state of being, one that couldn't be perceived by normal humans, so idk about that whole different universe business but that sounds like another (albeit imperceptible) dimension, as in like 1 dimensional, 2d, 3d, so on and so forth

Since it's theorized that there's about 8 dimensions to reality and all that 😅

[south lance]

Idk seems essentially the same as every story of ghosts able to watch the world but never interact

And said ghosts arent really in the same realm of existence

Only somewhat id say

But still mostly in a separate place beside our natural reality

I wont say what im saying is whats going on for sure, i just argue that theres isnt any reason it couldnt be whats going on. All to hold onto my hypothetical supernatural element hypothesis :p

[untold ingot]

In either case, element is called a xenotoxin, that means it is from space, although the wordplay in the one who waits 13 could be interpreted to mean that element is directed by something similar to a homodeus, and that could be the darker force mensioned in the steam oage

[south lance]

Hmm

Maybe another alien race was able to achieve a homo deus like state?

I would say the aratai might have but then why are they so primitive

Or perhaps a third party entirely

[stray elm]

Also the transhuman in the Santiago notes on Genesis 2 had their own theory that element was sent down

[tropic crag]

Why are we so primitive now, after our encounter with element? 👀

Maybe it sent them back to the stone age too, out of necessity

[lime forge]

Because element is bad. Real bad.

[tropic crag]

Not necessarily, that's like saying guns are bad. They're not inherently bad, they're made bad by those using them

They take on the intent of the user, as did element, when being used for war and destruction

[lime forge]

No. Guns aren’t controlled by a hive mind doing all kinds of weird shit.

[tropic crag]

Guns aren't alive, sure, but the concept is the same regardless lol

[lapis ore]

I kind of wander if Ark 2 is going to be something that is a combination of Ark 1 and Fallout 76. the base survival and server mechanics of Ark 1 with the open world rpg mmo of fallout 76. at least from what i heard so far there going to focus more on the story in Ark2

I just hope they don't pull a Fallout 76. and kill to much of ark than do a 180 when its too late and half your fandom is gone.

[lime forge]

Stop wandering or you’re gonna get lost

[lapis ore]

yep but you find great thing when your lost

[tropic crag]

I couldn't get past the first sentence because of that

But on the real, they aren't going any harder on the story than they did with the first game, that we know of. So no reason to worry there

Not to mention, isn't Ark already sort of an RPG MMO? Just sayin 😉

[mortal kestrel]

yeah it is

it will just be better executed in arkII

[lapis ore]

hopefully because that would be cool.

i just hope it doesn't stray to far from being ark

[quiet burrow]

So Junuary 2023 or December 2023 ^^

[grave python]

is ark 2 sotf confirmed?

[fallow niche]

All confirmed info is in the pinned messages.

[grave python]

so sotf is completely discontinued and may only come as a mod

[fallow niche]

We don't know.

You might be able to reach out to the devs on Twitter, but anything else we don't know other than the pins.

[blissful perch]

‘Confirmed’ not going to be offered on official launch by Dollie here. One of the only pieces of info not in the pins XD

[untold ingot]

Sotf never really took off, I would be surprised if they even considered doing a remake for ark2

[fallow niche]

Convo is here

[blissful perch]

It could have, it was around the time pubG went big

[untold ingot]

It was before pubg though wasn't it?

[blissful perch]

Not by more than a couple months IF that

But I think it was during the time pubG was getting big. Wc was trying many things before they settled on the SE -> DLC approach. They tried procedural maps, Sotf, and community maps first

[wild kraken]

will ark 2 only be prim? lmao

if i cant get a mastercraft fab sniper im gonna be fuming

[blissful perch]

Optimal outcome

1.) change grind heavy blueprint system
2.) remove insane range hitscan weapons
3.) keep things at a reasonable tech level that’s scaled to the environment 🎉

[obsidian sand]

I sure hope in ARK2 it's possible to look for servers (particularly unofficials) easily. Browse them, sort/search by mod, maybe filter by rates, things like that within the UI instead of joining 712 different discords found by reading other platforms (survivetheark's ads, ark-servers net, etc.) just to have access to the link of the modlist and the basic cluster info.
There's gotta be a better way.

[blissful perch]

It’s hard to be a server owner and avoid weird toxic random folks without some form of screening via a discord etc

[winged dome]

Yeah, in-game server browser needs some significant updates which I expect to happen especially with cross platform mod support

[obsidian sand]

most times anyone can join a server to troll if they want to ; a lot of servers don't have a password or anything, and the only people taking the time to browse websites/discords are the people who try to make a good, sensible choice about where they'll play next
your server is otherwise still available via the server list if someone types its* name in the search bar just to come and cause chaos there if that's really what they're into
(also it doesn't mean there wouldn't be a system in place to help server owners do some screening if they wanted to, but players ALSO should be able to do some screening)

[zinc mantle]

ARK 2 News
@ARK2News
First half of 2023, here we come. 🦕

[wild kraken]

very unoptimal outcome lol

i liked the whole bp system

maybe change droprates a bit so we get less ascendant diplodocus saddle but other than that bp system was peak

[lime forge]

Do you have evidence of this happening?

Or is it just one of those “I’m the best, if anyone has something better than me they obviously cheated” things?

[wild kraken]

kinda the admins fault if so not the games features

bruh admins can do anything

its not the bps fault that admins spawn in op stuff for players

but they can still spawn stuff in lmao

it doesnt matter with or without bp

if the admins are corrupt then it doesnt matter whats in the game they are gonna spawn the best stuff in anyway

like turrets or op dinos

bro when did this happen lmao

what tribe had that

and if they did they would get wiped completely

quit playing bruh lmfao

[fallow niche]

Swing it back to relevant to ark 2 or switch it to #general

[untold dove]

Guys this discussion channel is for talk related to ARK II, if you've got issues with somebody being banned, take it up with Customer Service at the appropriate area. #reporting-players

Considering you can make whoever you want, I don't think nationality will be an issue.

[fallow niche]

.

[cold fable]

We literally screen recorded his screen, and sent in a ticket and devs did nothing

Ark 2 support will be the same

[lime forge]

I was talking about the new combat locking system in Ark 2!

[fallow niche]

Move to #general to rant then. This channel is for ark2 only.

[cold fable]

This is about the future lack of support for ark 2

[fallow niche]

Considering we don't even know what it's going to have yet, I think its safe to say we can move on.

Either move on, or move to #general. Thanks.

[cold fable]

It is safe to say ark 2 will use the same crappy ticket system as ark 1

[lime forge]

If the Aratai can throw fireballs I’m gonna be salty

[fallow niche]

We dont know. Move on please.

[cold fable]

Ok let me rephrase that, who thanks ark 2 use the same crappy ticket system as ark 1?

[south lance]

Tbf we arent

[blissful perch]

Me: goes to eat lunch
Ark 2 chat: chaos

[split dove]

as usual

[lime forge]

Why’s this always happening when I get on

[blissful perch]

It’s not like I haven’t talked CoC enforcement to death for ark 2

[lime forge]

We need something new to talk to death

[split dove]

let's go over the dynamic world events

[blissful perch]

Well…I do ask folks to try

[echo vine]

Ark 2 Finna be trash

[blissful perch]

^then I see that msg

Though a PvE ark 2 hater is new

[lime forge]

Really hoping there will be specific tames that are only able to be found through the world events

[echo vine]

U main this channel lel

[lime forge]

Perhaps depending on player performance during the event itself

[echo vine]

Game's gonna be the same as ark 1 gonna have crazier hacks too right off the jump suiiiiiii

[lime forge]

As soon as I see the word “finna” I lose all respect and desire to communicate lol

[blissful perch]

I love statements like that because they don’t invite conversation 😂

[fallow niche]

https://tenor.com/view/ark-ark-survival-evolved-hype-meter-ark2-gif-25941221

[rare heart]

Would rather most tames arent the knocl out method

[lime forge]

Dang

[rare heart]

To me fighting something shouldnt befriend it unless under other circumstances

[blissful perch]

Disagree: I think a super cool tame method would be fighting a creature in “fair combat” and making it bow to you

[echo vine]

It's Finna be garb fam

No kizzy

[split dove]

Cope more pls

[blissful perch]

Hold on let me get this right: “Ark 1 kinda garb then fr fr tho with all the cheaters tho”

[echo vine]

[lime forge]

Can we purge this guy?

[echo vine]

Cheats will make its way on ark 2 in no time as well that'd besides the point

Lmao

[fallow niche]

Please stop trying to use commands.

[blissful perch]

Well that was amusing

[lime forge]

Sorry. Didn’t know it was an issue

[fallow niche]

Allowed commands for server members can only be used in #735196568218501173 .

[echo vine]

Rigged

[blissful perch]

Admin commands won’t be available to all official players in ark 2 #rigged

[echo vine]

Dw guys I'm sure ark 2 will be amazing

The devs are gonna change

[fallow niche]

Ark 2 won't have spaghetti code, so I believe things are going to change

[blissful perch]

My man you’re in the ark discord. Did you not like ark 1? Or are you specifically expecting something particular will be wrong with ark 2

[split dove]

i think option 2

[echo vine]

It won't have spaghetti code? Who made the spaghetti code? The ark devs. What will they make again? Spaghetti code

[blissful perch]

I’m actually expecting unspoken option 3 of a random gut feeling of not liking it because it’s a new game not a DLC

[echo vine]

Same devs same problems

[blissful perch]

Will you buy the new game just like ark 1 though?

[fallow niche]

Pretty sure they didn't create UE4

[blissful perch]

Since it seems you bought ark 1 and are interested enough it in it to be here? Just trying to identify your interest in the series

[echo vine]

That isn't an argument

[blissful perch]

“Ark 2 will be terrible just like ark 1”

“But I loved ark 1 and played it a lot, it was a great game”

[echo vine]

U think unreal 4 held a gun to them saying "make spaghetti code" lol no they did it themselves it has nothing to do with the engine it's just na excuse

[fallow niche]

If its going to become a rant, move it to #general please, Draven.

[blissful perch]

I mean yea I’m sensing rant here

[echo vine]

Any bit of pushback anywhere is considered a rant I suppose

[fallow niche]

Basing it all off of experiences with ark 1 with this little info for how ark2 will be isn't the best way to go about it either

[echo vine]

Keep the positive echo chamber going my b

[lime forge]

I have a strong feeling the aratai are gonna practice witchcraft and have fireball throwing capabilities

[fallow niche]

No, you just wish for it

[lime forge]

No

[blissful perch]

Your push back was “the dev team is bad”. Not super useful pushback. If you want to push back, pick an actual concrete issue that you’d like to see changed that would change your stance

[lime forge]

I wanna be able to throw them. I don’t want people throwing them at me.

[echo vine]

Stating facts is useful when predicting future outcomes

[blissful perch]

You purchased ark 1 just fine, and will likely purchase ark 2. Hard to say a studio is inherently bad if you buy both games they make

[lime forge]

It’s gonna be so satisfying when this guy gets the purge treatment

[echo vine]

Not buying the second game, especially full price lol

[fallow niche]

Then move to #general

[echo vine]

That would be embarrassing

?

[blissful perch]

I mean I’m giving you a chance to provide ark 2 specific feedback but you’re not taking it XD

[echo vine]

Why does it matter it's ark 2 related lol

[fallow niche]

If you're not buying the second game, are basing everything off of ark 1, I dont know why you'd decide to join here just to disagree/cause discourse with everyone else

[echo vine]

If u want specific feedback I'm not impressed with the potential combat change and lack of content there will be in the beginning compared to ark 1 plus its bound to have issues considering the dev team behind it

[echo vine]

Because I can lol

[blissful perch]

You think on release it will have less content than ark 1?

Ark 1 had like 20 creatures, 23 hour taming, and hardly any content in each tier when it first came out in EA

[fallow niche]

Prefer you didn't. Keep it ark2, not ranting on ark1.

[echo vine]

I am ranting about ark 2

[fallow niche]

It's not out yet, and we have little info in the pins. Hard to rant about it.

It's been a week hasn't it

[echo vine]

So u can only be positive when talking about ark 2

[fallow niche]

Best plant, please be tameable in some way

[echo vine]

Gotcha lmao

[blissful perch]

Yea idk why some people think you have to be positive

You do have to talk about actual features though…obscure “this game sucks” language doesn’t really mean anything

[lime forge]

If I can’t tame that plant I’m getting a refund

[echo vine]

Fair enough guess I'm being to general about it but still lol

No need to micromanage

[lime forge]

I want more tameable plants

[fallow niche]

Didn't say you had to be positive, but keeping it in line would be nice. Ranting about devs and disguising it about ark 2 is still not ark 2.

[blissful perch]

I mean yea that’s annoying but also it’s impossible to discuss anything if you just say “I think WC sucks” and dance away into the sunset

[echo vine]

Am I wrong

[fallow niche]

.

[blissful perch]

I’ve spoken about ark 2 related concerns I had with WC’s management of ark 1

You just have to tie it into ark 2. Not super hard but that’s just how the chat works

[lime forge]

You guys ready to talk about Ark 2 or nah?

Sigh…

#selfpurge

[stray elm]

Yes

[craggy prairie]

lol

wow

[stray elm]

Oh no, i wasn't joking.
Some of the point you made where valid, but others have reasoning behind them.

Like the fact that you're ignoring the pretty valid reasoning of ARK being the buggy mess was due to the game being made by amateurs that never expected it to blow up as big as this.

(the ToS and CoC enforcement is a different story)

[south lance]

Whos message deleted

Who said the bad word

Show yourself

[stray elm]

Fuck.

[south lance]

Yo mama

I didnt get hlna react 😭

[tribal chasm]

man that trailer looked almost like Ark 2, on Gamescom

could have passed for an Ark 2 trailer

[stray elm]

Get nae-naed.

[stray elm]

What trailer?

[tribal chasm]

I don't know the name, it showed a broken ship in space, landing via a pod, guy lands on planet with a spear in hand
it was different like a shoddy copy of Ark 2 but it was passable

[stray elm]

Give name!

Help me find it!
I need to know!

Found it

[ripe cedar]

What was it

[stray elm]

Okay, yeah it did look kind of like ARK-2 at the ending. But it defiantly wasn't ARK-2 related due to the fact that the ship looked a lot different

[stray elm]

"Stranded: Alien Dawn"

[stiff lance]

I’m on an equus tryna game it... it’s so hard lol, I’m also hearing hyenadeons 😔

It’s gonna be a long tame

[smoky canopy]

I think ark 2 could have some of the gen2 creatures because supposedly the ringworld crashed on the same planet that vin diesel did, and it was fully intact

[rare heart]

I wouldnt mind shadowmanes

[smoky canopy]

That would be cool

[rare heart]

unless they made the sabertooth actually good

ark saber is so underwhelming for what it is

[smoky canopy]

Honestly

[rare heart]

Would rather have something like smilodon be the thylacoleo of ark 2

[smoky canopy]

The only thing it’s good for now though is caving if you have a decent saddle

[sonic elbow]

"Can I copy your homework?"
"Yeah, but don't make it obvious."

[stiff lance]

Any tips for taming an equus?

[sonic elbow]

Wrong chat bud.

[stiff lance]

Oops

[rare heart]

The thing is there are so many base game dinos that just suck and are useless

or just look ugly

[stiff lance]

Mb ty 4 telling me

[rare heart]

Which is why i think this game shouldve never been dinos in tue first place xd

dinos make no sense

[sonic elbow]

Nah, dinos are cool.

And make sense.

They have lore.

Additionally, MHW Banner.

[rare heart]

Ill have to relearn ark lore

What was it… humans found element and destroyed earth so they made arks????

Right???

[sonic elbow]

More or less. Element becomes corruptive and caused mass extinction.

[rare heart]

But its the future right?

[sonic elbow]

There are whole planets in Genesis 2 taken ahold of Element.

Yeah.

2200s, I'm pretty sure.

[rare heart]

where did the dinosaurs come from then

[smoky canopy]

They were just on the arks I guess

[sonic elbow]

They were the best match for humans. Kept them on their feet and made sense logically, if they were going to start over I could only assume.

[smoky canopy]

Like to have animals

[blissful perch]

They were fabricated on the arks

[rare heart]

Ok…

So just future jurassic park

This whole time they made no sense really

[sonic elbow]

The people behind the ARKs and Genesis-Ship tried a lot of different combinations, but the human-dino combination was most effective.

[blissful perch]

The arks created creatures to challenge survivors in order to deem them worthy of going to earth to beat the king titan

[sonic elbow]

No.

The creators made those creations. The only creatures we know of that were made by the ARKs to my knowledge are the Reapers, which were self-defensive.

[rare heart]

Whats funny is that all the fictional creatures are 8 times scarier than the majority of the dino roster

Except the obvious few

[blissful perch]

Objectively yes. The creatures were also intentionally made “amicable to taming” to facilitate partnerships

[sonic elbow]

Gigas are horrifying, I don't care what you say.

[rare heart]

Why i said other than the obvious ones

theres only like a handful

[sonic elbow]

I know. 🗿

Anything that lives in the water is also quite horrifying.

Especially Cnidarians.

[blissful perch]

I derive no fear from most of the fantasy roster beyond the normative human cautious/fear response of the unknown

[sonic elbow]

Most of the fantasy roster is pretty cool.

[smoky canopy]

Wyverns roaming freely on scorched is horrifying, they can fly to the easy zones!

[rare heart]

Trex that can fly and shoot fire sounds scarier than an actual trex but ok

[sonic elbow]

Not even the giant eyeballs are that spooky.
A mosa though, that's horrifying.

[rare heart]

Also invisible lions that are the size of busses

[blissful perch]

I mean you’re normalized to a Trex so that reduces the fear

[rare heart]

I know

[blissful perch]

If a Trex ambushed you I can suspect you’d likely jump

[sonic elbow]

Not really scary, Manes are mainly annoying.
I'm more scared of taming one than being killed by one.

[blissful perch]

But most ark creatures are large and obvious

[rare heart]

Which is why i want the dinosaurs to be scarier because currently there so meh to me

[smoky canopy]

Make the shark bigger

[rare heart]

And i dont mean just what they look like but how useful they are in certain situations

[blissful perch]

some of the creatures are just miserably out scaled by new ones

[rare heart]

Yep

[blissful perch]

But the dinosaurs make the game

You could remove the fantasy creatures and keep ark. Gut the dinos and that’s curtains

[rare heart]

Id like every creature to have like… some function that is actually helpful

Ye i WANT to prefer the dinos

But the fictionals just kinda outclass them

[blissful perch]

Not every creature should be helpful as a tame. Some creature’s purpose is to be a threat in the environment, and I like that

[rare heart]

Maybe not in raw stats a lot of the times but have just better charm to them

[blissful perch]

Most of the fantasy creatures trigger a novelty response

[rare heart]

Ye

[blissful perch]

You’re comparing people’s novelty response to their actual enjoyment of prehistoric life

[rare heart]

Sure not every creature has to be useful i get that

Can it atleast look nice or have gimmicks

[blissful perch]

You can make all creatures useful but many people will still gravitate to novel creatures

[rare heart]

Cave creatures, all of them lol

I get that obviously

i just want to actually get something or feel something when i look at certain creatures

Even mr dodo

[blissful perch]

Dodos have utility

[rare heart]

food

C4 if your funny

[blissful perch]

Fastest egg layer, and they don’t need a nearby male. In essence, a chicken

[rare heart]

Ye but dodos were actually quite strong for what they were

What i mean is

Not actually stupid either

[blissful perch]

They were basically pheasants were they not? A chicken can peck or claw your eye out too

[rare heart]

Ye

Just didnt know to fear humans really

Im not saying buff dodo but like

Make each dino feel more unique

I love the lost island and fjordur dinos

But they are newer so thats just a given

[blissful perch]

I’m kinda meh on the amarga

[rare heart]

Theyd probably do the same to most of the ark 2 dinos id assume

Ye amarga dooky

[blissful perch]

Probably more. Given the AI is actually improved

[rare heart]

Ye

[blissful perch]

I’m hoping for a smaller and more detailed roster

[rare heart]

I would hope for around the same roster as the island?

With some removed and replaced with new dinos

Im hoping some or just one of the dlc dinos comes back

and like 1-3 fictionals

But i rlly dont care for fictionals coming to ark 2…. Yet

Monke, desmo, or andrew id like to see come back

[blissful perch]

There is a 100% chance we see them. Alien life and all that

[past wind]

I wouldn’t say 100%, but yeah there’s a chance.

[stray elm]

The collapse happened i believe in the 23rd century.

[blissful perch]

Plant lizard and Aratai. 100% chance 😆

[past wind]

So far, we’ve only seen terrestrial fauna. I’m not sure this lizzard/plant is alien fauna.

[blissful perch]

How is it not alien fauna? Do you think it’s an earth chameleon?

[stray elm]

But ARK itself is set hundreds, to possibly nearly a thousand years after Earths extinction. (though, no confirmed time of course)

[past wind]

The lizzard/plant I’m not sure it’s alien.

[past wind]

There’s a possibility. I’m not sure.

[blissful perch]

I mean the Aratai are 100% alien

[past wind]

Yeah, that’s true.

[sonic elbow]

I'm just going off of what I remember from Diana Notes on Ext. I have shitty memory.

[stray elm]

There's no species on Earth that mimics so well a venus flytraps mouth like that lizard in the trailer.
Defiantly alien.

[sonic elbow]

100%.

Why are we still having this debate?

It's all obviously alien.

🗿

[blissful perch]

Some folks don’t know about the aliens already revealed. Ignorance is only a poison if it’s intentional

[sonic elbow]

Ignorance is a poison in general.

[past wind]

Ok then. In that case, 100% there will be alien fauna.

[stray elm]

Oh, that's probably the reasoning right there.
Santiago if i recall right states that, for element to get this out of control, it has to be fueled in a war that's centuries long. 😅

[past wind]

At least two especimens

[sonic elbow]

Such as the I'm-Blue-Da-Ba-Die-Da-Ba-Dies.

That's what I'm calling them for now.

[past wind]

Wat? 😂

[sonic elbow]

The Aratai.

[past wind]

😂

[stray elm]

Well, yeah.
We're on a alien planet that has a ecosystem.
A ecosystem requires lifeforms to sustain it.
So yeah....kind of obvious that we're getting alien animals.....

[sonic elbow]

I demand an Aratai Emoji.

[stray elm]

YES!

[sonic elbow]

🗿

[blissful perch]

Lifeforms ≠ animals but for a video game sure that logic works lol

[stray elm]

'you fucking get what i'm saying' xD

[past wind]

I mean. Yeah, you are right, but it was possible they would just say most of the fauna isn’t relevant and just put the terrestrial fauna in the base game.

[rare heart]

Plant lizard?

[stray elm]

The lizard at the beginning of the first ARK 2 trailer

[rare heart]

Oh pfft

Doubt it

Too smol

[past wind]

Another plausible argument: terrestrial fauna overcame the alien.

[stray elm]

Huh.....Dead Island 2 is still a thing.....

[past wind]

There are arguments they can use

[stray elm]

What you mean 'terrestrial?'
Everything on land is a terrestrial lifeform, no?

[past wind]

From earth

[blissful perch]

That’s called “earth”

[stray elm]

That's called 'Earth' fauna.

Terrestrial just means a lifeform that's on land.
'Terre' as in 'Terrain'

[blissful perch]

I mean earth and land are largely synonymous atm

But when referring to other planets they are no longer interchangeable XD

[past wind]

adjective
of, on, or relating to the earth.
"increased ultraviolet radiation may disrupt terrestrial ecosystems

[stray elm]

Hmm yes.
You're going off of a outdated old definition.

'even though we call other solid planets 'terrestrial' planets'

Mars is considered a 'terrestrial' planet.
Last time i checked, Mars isn't Earth

[rare heart]

Terrestrial just means you can walk on it

Doesn’t meant you can breath on it

Am i wrong?

[blissful perch]

I mean very loosely

[stray elm]

Yes, very

[blissful perch]

Some planets have solid oxygen as their surface. I wouldn’t call that terrestrial. Usually terrestrial implies a rocky surface

[stray elm]

Which is also the nickname for terrestrial planets.
'rocky planets'

[rare heart]

The planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars, are called terrestrial because they have a compact, rocky surface like Earth's terra firma. The terrestrial planets are the four innermost planets in the solar system.

Nasa

thats what i said

[blissful perch]

You missed the word “rocky”

[rare heart]

but you can walk on it

because its a solid surface

[blissful perch]

You can walk on a planet with a solid ice surface

[rare heart]

Is that not terrestrial?

[blissful perch]

Although I think in this case NASA only identifies terrestrial vs gas planets

[rare heart]

compact surface?

Oh

[blissful perch]

Because ice or not, ice can’t exist on a planet without a rocky base XD

[rare heart]

Idk not a big planet guy

[blissful perch]

It’s a cool field. Astronomy is second only to biology imo heehee

[rare heart]

I am a biology major 😎

[blissful perch]

I graduated with one! Always happy to see another bio boi

[stray elm]

I major in the 'i don't have one' field.

[south lance]

Howd you play ark in college without failing 🤨

[blissful perch]

Private server with friends

[south lance]

Ah

[rare heart]

Only 2 days in

[stray elm]

Make schedules.

[rare heart]

And yeah…. Dont play official pvp xd

[blissful perch]

I tried official ark and instantly realized I’d never be able to juggle the time it asked of me

[rare heart]

Big life waster

[south lance]

😅

[stray elm]

Or just official as a whole

[rare heart]

i did play it when i was in highschool but realized it sucks

I like unofficial pvp cause i can have a good time goofing around

[south lance]

I quit ark in order to get my hs grades in order

[blissful perch]

Damn now I feel old

[south lance]

You are

:p

[rare heart]

Yeah i never played ark legit

[blissful perch]

😰

[rare heart]

i want to play on a pve server but cant find one with enough ppl

so i can just chill

When im not studying

[south lance]

All the cool servers are depopulated

[blissful perch]

I enjoy playing with a group until we burn out, then coming back again with sometimes a new one

Relying on random folks to fill my experiences tends to be a bit risky lol

[south lance]

Xd

[fallow niche]

#735196255483068497

[blissful perch]

Same is gonna be true in ark 2

[south lance]

Hopefully not as grind heavy

[cursive eagle]

Hopefully ark 2 aint like official pvp

[blissful perch]

I hope so damn hard we get private server access on launch day. But idk if that’s happening lol

[south lance]

I intend on hopping on early to ark2

Regardless of classes

[cursive eagle]

Whens ark 2 release???

[south lance]

Some time next year

Im guessing spring

[cursive eagle]

2023?

[south lance]

Far away but hopefully not that far away

[blissful perch]

I’ll be on too lol, but prolly private/SP. I’m gonna be busy as shit 2023

[south lance]

Same ish

Hopefully uni isnt too much of an issue

Doubt it wint be tho

[blissful perch]

I’m hype for slime rancher 2 and a couple other titles but ark 2 is gonna be a big release imo

[south lance]

For me its just ark2 really

[blissful perch]

Very eager to blind play it too. I pray the UI and other features actually allow me to do that lol, I got so ticked off learning ark 1 in 2015 XD

[south lance]

Rip

I already use yt for all games

Figuring out it too much of a time drain if its not shown in game

[blissful perch]

I only use YouTube for advanced mechanics or understanding if I want to buy a game

I generally prefer to learn the game from the game whenever possible. But ark had so many confusing ins and outs and no ingame explanation of anything that YouTube felt essential

[south lance]

Ye

[blissful perch]

What I’m excited to see in ark 2 is a lot of reworked and retooled systems that actually feel intuitive and interesting to explore as you learn them

So many new players sneak up behind raptors not realizing they have an oval detection radius lol

[south lance]

Better ui is the dream

[wanton pike]

Ark 2 going to be released in the first half of 2023….. Probs going to be June then 😅

[stray elm]

Could be June 2nd, since that's when ARK-1 originally released.

[split dove]

by then it will have already been 8 years of ark 👴

[stray elm]

Yeah.....

And when it gets out of Early-Access, it'll be 10-years.

[blissful perch]

10 years for ark 2 to leave EA, so actually 18 years of ark 1 🧐

[split dove]

i bet most of us will probably have a family of our own by then 🧐

[blissful perch]

I’d hope so 😊

[split dove]

The imprint/raising time just takes a while

[mellow wadi]

Is there anyone here that is willing to write a whole 5-10 paragraphs or so to catch me up on everything I need to know about Ark II? XD I do be slacking the knowledge on ark 2. Like anything I need to know and anything that will happen would be good. (I’m pretty sure no one is gonna do it lmao) would be appreciated tho.

[fiery wedge]

Use the pins

[mellow wadi]

I didn’t know the pins would have that. Alr thx

[stray elm]

There's a steam page for ARK-2

[mellow wadi]

That doesn’t get too much into detail

[stray elm]

That's as much detail you'll get

[mellow wadi]

Ight

Hopefully Ark 2 has the Dino names as real life dinos. Like Ark is close to it but not really at the same time.

I hope Ark 2 supports 8k 😂😅

[mellow wadi]

or has 8k I mean

[stray elm]

What'd you mean by that?

[mellow wadi]

like

Trikes could be named Triceratops cuz they’re actually triceratops

Or smth.

bad comparison^^

[stray elm]

That sounds like a waste of time.