ark-2

[south lance]

but yeah theres probably not going to be any new actual dinos

unless idk the eden ring got screwed up and decided to make all the dinos people wanted but the devs didnt add for the past 6 years

[lavish rain]

I said shaggy

[lavish rain]

@stray elm where is your #

[short fulcrum]

Whats the thing with the # anyway?

[lavish rain]

We all do a #

[short fulcrum]

can i do a #?

[lavish rain]

Yes

[lucid parcel]

One question about Ark 2, is there going to host barrier in multiplayer even if there is going to be multiple in ark 2?

[lavish rain]

Not confirmed

But they did confirm deez were coming to the game

[lucid parcel]

Deez 💀

[lucid parcel]

Jokes aside thanks for the information

me who is just currently listening to how good the Ark 2 main theme is

[mighty lion]

Could do the whole " these were stored creatures made during evacuation " thing

[lavish rain]

It's not a lore issue

[mighty lion]

What is the issue

[tropic crag]

There already is new dinosaurs, the brachiosaurus is in the very first trailer my dude

Or did you forget

😏

[mortal kestrel]

with no ark to regulate evolution, I'd like to see more unique semi realistic dinosaurs that are more adapted to Arats climate

[blissful perch]

I think they can’t have landed long enough ago to see that lol

Santiago I assume is from the original drop…so for most dinosaurs that’s likely not even ONE generation yet

It would be less realistic to have adapted to Arat in any way other than behavior

[blissful perch]

It would be cool however to see Arat fauna behavior be different between local and foreign earth fauna. A more natural looking relationship with “familiar” fauna and a more curious/cautious one with alien fauna

[exotic flume]

The flyers in the trailer are new if I'm not mistaken. I expect they'll have many reoccurring creatures in there, but possibly some new "dinos" aswell since it is a new game. It doesn't make sense lore wise, but that probably isn't their main concern, and it'll make exploring a little more interesting

[blissful perch]

Pretty sure it’s the archy and pteranodon…so not new

[mint swan]

I would like to see more flaura in ark II

[blissful perch]

It’s “flora” (plants) or “fauna” (animals). Idk what Flaura is supposed to be lol

[mint swan]

Dawg im bad at english

[mint swan]

I meant flora 😅

[blissful perch]

I agree 100%. All the trailers show earth flora, but if it’s a “battle between Arat and Earth life” I want to see that in flora too! Since flora are certainly a larger part of the ecosystem than the animals, at least in physical space

[fallow niche]

Flora and fauna??

[blissful perch]

The plant lizard is only plant in appearance, at least until we learn more about its biology

[fallow niche]

It works for meeeee

[wet bridge]

ok i know no one knows exactly when ark 2 gets released but should we be expecting a mid 2023 or late maybe december 2023 release?

maybe even early 2024 since WC likes to delay stuff a lot? but i'd see that making the hype just die so i'd imagine it's not really possible from a marketing view point so they'd have to be done in the next yaer

[fallow niche]

I'd personally prefer late 2023, giving them as much time as possible to work on it while still in the release date/year, but not everyone is like that.

[wet bridge]

well obviously everyone wishes it to be well made and released as early as possible, although , to be fair i'd rather it be released mid summer rather than december just because i really want to try it out , or they could have like an open beta for those wishing to preorder so people can't really complain because you can't expect perfection from any open betas

somewhat alike to what's happening with overwatch 2 if anyone is aware , although i wouldn't mind paying to get full acces unlike to the stupid ish? system that was used for acces to ow2 betas

[blissful perch]

I disagree strongly with the open beta approach for something like ark 2, where high level design may be in flux until close to release

Once you release something to players, you’ve locked in expectations in a way that’s extremely hard to escape from

[wet bridge]

yeah i do see your point but honestly it would be nice to be able to get a sort of headstart , preview of the game , which could also be shown as some early gameplay footage released by WC or even screenshots and so on

just really knowing more about what's going on would be nice since many people are really hyped for any new information about it , as am i

obviously creating a game with such nice graphics , complex systems and high expectations is quite difficult so i'd rather them work harder and focus better on the "backstage" over showing us all and every update

i've always had faith in WC , ark was for sure not a flop and was , is an amazing game with amazing ideas and everything , but to be fair it seems to be glitchy and all of that because of the spaghetti coding that could not be altered anymore , it started as a smaller dev team from what i'm aware , and older , outdated coding was used that could not be replaced

[blissful perch]

That’s the entire issue

If the team isn’t set on certain things and that information is released, or heaven forbid it’s in a playable game, people will form expectations that might force WC to abandon changes that effect core gameplay

[wet bridge]

yeah i realized that after my first arguement therefore said that i'd rather have them focus and work as a team than just show us info as fast as possible

[blissful perch]

When there is funding available, let the devs take time to design the game. Players are needed to test for exploits and bugs or balance, but that all happens after high level design is complete

The “under the hood” changes are often unseen by players. But if you sell someone a cat then offer them a dog after they bought the cat they may not be happy

That’s the sort of changes I want to give WC more time to hash out. Fixing breeding and mega tribes and pillar spam and whatnot

[wet bridge]

hopefully the official ark2 servers will have different tribe caps so solos can have a sort of chance

like servers from 1-25 are solo 26-50 duos so on and so forth

doubt official servers will be too popular when unofficials will be accesible but still

[blissful perch]

I mean the issue in smalls and such is that people “team” and it circumvents that sort of restriction

[wet bridge]

also let's not forget anti cheat

get that shit made better

[past wind]

But It’s already decided, it will be released as an early-access title, for PCs and Xbox consoles.

[wet bridge]

honestly i've never had issues with early access titles

[past wind]

Early-access is a paid open beta

[wet bridge]

yeah i know

i don't know if i just am lucky and never run into bugs but i just never ran into any

on any early access game in general

[past wind]

I like early-access

[blissful perch]

Early access is wonderful. IF the core game is made already

[past wind]

We can give our feedback and help improve the final product

[blissful perch]

Ark’s core game was made when it came out in EA, let’s not get it twisted

[past wind]

Sure, about that, we have no idea

[wet bridge]

yeah and honestly i feel like games with early access are confident enough to show a not fully polished product so it means the development is going well

[blissful perch]

…ofc we have no idea lol. I’m saying that it’s unwise to rush WC into releasing early, even if it’s a beta. Because even a beta release forces or strongly incentivizes a studio to lock in features

And I’d prefer WC be given more time to experiment

[past wind]

Ark two is being developed for about 3 years I guess. It might be possible the base is already there

[blissful perch]

Something is there…it’s in the pins. But idk precisely what’s left…I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a lot left to develop and consider

[wet bridge]

after 3 years the base should be done really now the details are VERY important as well for a game with such high expectations

[past wind]

It took ark I seven years to get to the current state we are now

But I get it. I would like to see a gameplay

[wet bridge]

yeah but think of all the time developing dlcs took

the new dlc creatures and so on

[past wind]

And we would be able to judge if it’s already good enough for esrly-accesss

[wet bridge]

i would love ark 2 to be one big ass map with a ton of bosses and alpha dinos of each type that are leading a pack instead of being the lone wolves like in ark 1

rather than having a lot of dlcs with the different items and creatures

[past wind]

That’s basically what the description on Steam says

[blissful perch]

Yes, so imagine how long it takes to deliver a new game with similar polish

[past wind]

We will see

[blissful perch]

Four years is not a shock to get a new game at similar quality to the end of ark 1 on a new engine. Even less of a shock given it’s wildly different

[past wind]

My point is Ark was good enough to me back in 2015

[wet bridge]

yeah well for sure we would get some news later this year , at least on how development is going

[blissful perch]

The core systems of ark also didn’t really change much since 2015

Lots of gameplay was added, but the basic gameplay loop (beyond mutation stacking being added as a primary time sink) was always the same

[fallow niche]

Hopeful for some news at the extra life stream, provided they join in this year.

[blissful perch]

I want news and gameplay as badly as the next guy, that’s part of why I’m here all the time. But what I want much less is that desire to lead to content coming out too early and unrefined and people expecting things. Which in turn harshly limits what you can change to fix problems or gameplay issues

We saw it in ark 1. Mutation stacking was caught, but they couldn’t just delete people’s tames to fix it so they slapped a soft cap on it. Whereas if they had spent longer working on it perhaps they’d have found a better way

[fallow niche]

I just want to know how it's going at least, I'm not that bothered with gameplay, dinos, etc. Just that they're working on it.

[blissful perch]

I’d like a general “how far along the game is” and maybe some concept art + maybe a finished image of a creature or two

[wet bridge]

well we got the dodo raptors and rex didn't we xD

well at least the main idea of them i suppose

[fallow niche]

The how far along part is just my main one yeah. I'd rather them make sure its doing good than worry about gameplay trailers and big fancy things. (Y'all not telling me I did a typo. Smh.)

[blissful perch]

Yea I wouldn’t mind a crude 3D model of a single ark 2 creature

I just want a sense of what I’m looking at

[past wind]

My personal issue is I’m hyped since the 2020 Game Awards trailer. Also, I have stopped playing Ark I after lots of hours since 2015. I need something new. 😂

I won’t die if it takes longer to release it, but still want it now. 😍

I would be happy with a series of “discovering Ark II” until they can open the early-access

Show me Arat. Show me the creatures. Show me the new features.

Not necessarily a gameplay. I would be happy just to read the new concepts

[blissful perch]

Understandable perspective for sure, and probably less harmful to ask for a bit of lore or sprinkle of concepts

[winter sparrow]

ark 2 be like more optimized

[past wind]

UE5 is more optimized than UE4, so I’m expecting Ark II to be better optimized than the first

[sonic elbow]

You don't say.

[winter sparrow]

👍

[mighty lion]

I hope they hold off providing information about taming new creatures and let us figure it out ourselves. Have that mystique of walking through the jungle, finding a creature you've never seen before and no idea how to tame it.

[sonic elbow]

Fax

[blissful perch]

Fully agree: tho I do wish there was more UI and ingame ways to intuit how to tame things

Since some taming methods make 0 sense and are not ever reasonable to expect someone to intuit. Like how tf are you gonna figure out how tuso are tamed randomly? No other tame in the game works by grabbing your mount (with you still mounted) and that’s the signal to stuff food in it

[past wind]

I’m pretty sure they will work on their official wiki page to make this possible

They’ve seen how the Ark I wiki was important to the game.

Also, maybe, expanding the Dossiers with more details of each creature

[ripe cedar]

Making people need to go to the wiki to play the game is probably not the best idea

Obviously the wiki will help you but it should not be required

[blissful perch]

Using outside game tools like wikis to supplement poor intuitive mechanics imo represents weak design

Players shouldn’t be able to instantly do everything, but they should be able to intuit how the game works or be told bluntly via unlocks or exploration/interaction with the game (for example a flat “how to tame” in a dossier you can unlock for each creature)

[past wind]

I disagree. Ark is too complex to have all info in-game. External tools are much needed. Dododex and wiki were essential tools for Ark I.

[south lance]

^ but a more extensive wiki this time that isnt super vanilla with how it describes ark

[blissful perch]

I should not need a wiki to 1.) tame a creature 2.) use a mount’s abilities 3.) understand where a status generally comes from 4.) craft something

[south lance]

Taming could be more intuitive

But then how many things can be kept intuitive

[blissful perch]

Even if it isn’t, a UI including dossiers that bluntly explain things to try counts as an acceptable ingame workaround

[south lance]

Cause you cant really have a diverse set of mechanics all be understandable by everyone by themselves

[blissful perch]

Not everything can be intuited, especially if it’s complex. That’s what tutorials and ingame explanations are for

[south lance]

Arks never had such a system so idk what id make of one

Id still just default search things up tho

[blissful perch]

Right, but that’s old ark 1 knee jerk habit

[south lance]

The game doesnt exist in a vacuum after all

[south lance]

I mean youd basically have a whole new UI to describe what some creature likes to eat/how to tame/etc

You could do this subtley though i imagine

[blissful perch]

Ark 1 already has dossiers. They just stink at explaining what to do and are located in sometimes insanely out of the way spots lol

[south lance]

Like maybe you ask an aratai elder about some creature

And he responds in a riddle you have to figure out

Thatd be cool imo

"What does the raptor eat oh wise one"
"What walks on 4 legs in the morning, 2 legs-"
"Oh..."

[ripe marsh]

how about beating an aratai camp gives access to their knowledge via books or whatever. Those book could include the taming methods, animal locations, items etc

[mighty lion]

That would be cool, especially if it was related to the unique creatures that camp has tamed.

[ripe marsh]

Yeah that's part of the idea. You'd get the knowledge of that specific camp. So if you want other creatures you'd have to do a lil bit of scouting to ensure you're attacking the right base/camp.

[mint swan]

I would like to see more interacting flora, like we see in abberation with the mushroom thingy. But actually just a bigger diversity of plants, and plants that have a bigger chance of narcos, stim, azul etc.

[split dove]

i just want more plants like the carniflora from gen 2

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t mind the knowledge points system they talked about being used to unlock “information” about local biology

[blissful perch]

What I want to see is truely alien flora. Show me plants that grow in new ways, have spongy wood instead of earth wood, drip strange fluids, interact with local wildlife…maybe even show me places it competes with earth flora

[mint swan]

Indeed, maybe actual growth in wild plants

[mint swan]

Wouldnt mind being able to put points from the skill tree in knowledge. Being able to look at dinos/flora and seeing information, or some sort of book/journal you can look in with more information

[blissful perch]

I’m real hesitant to say a research system but man do I want that

[mint swan]

I am wondering if we will get still the same technology we have now, or if everything stays primitive for the rest of the game 🤔

[lavish sparrow]

Third person only 😭

What is wildcard thinking

[blissful perch]

My hope is prim for all of ark 2

[lavish sparrow]

if it was prim for all of ark 2

[mint swan]

Nothing wrong at least.

[lavish sparrow]

There is no fucking way I'm buying it

[mint swan]

Why not? Literally doesnt affect your game

[lavish sparrow]

Does

The thing I love about ark 2 is tek

progression

If theres only 1 stage then where's the replayability?

I want ark 2 to have infinite replayability like ark 1

[south lance]

no tek=/= no progression

[lavish sparrow]

third person only souls-like primitive only is not that way

[blissful perch]

This guy gets it

[lavish sparrow]

so nothing to primitive?

[south lance]

primitive has a lot of variety available

[mint swan]

We are not trhing to say that, we are not saying there should be only 1 stage. Primitive means it only stays at 1 theme.

[lavish sparrow]

primitive is also how every other survival game goes

[south lance]

you can go from sticks and stones all the way to even better sticks and stones and shit

[blissful perch]

Or ya know having nothing to having a thriving primitive base, farms, and advanced primitive themes tools and equipment

[south lance]

like, minecraft obviously has progression even though the gear is literally the same across every tier but stat boosted

[mint swan]

Subnautica is a good game, and has the same vibe all game. Imagine that in Ark II. You do get progression, just not a whole other energy coming off

[blissful perch]

Idk why everyone thinks tek is mandatory to feel like you accomplished something

[lavish sparrow]

the progression is building

minecraft is about building

[south lance]

you dont need your mach 8 jetpack to have progress

[lavish sparrow]

earlygame is about surviving thats not an issue lategame though

[lavish sparrow]

wish wildcard listened to that advise with gen2

[south lance]

minecraft is about tons of things, gear is probably way more important outside of vanilla single player

[blissful perch]

Tek is about snoozing

[mint swan]

I also dont get why People care so much that its only third person, like third person ≠ bad

[south lance]

this is literally tek though

[lavish sparrow]

giving tek from the start?

[south lance]

it wouldnt make a different

difference*

everyone on multiplayer had tek, they just had to spend an extra 10 minutes farming it on extinction vs 5 minutes on genesis

[lavish sparrow]

Ark 1 progression is terrible

[south lance]

yeah you dont want that again in ark2

[lavish sparrow]

the only reason the game is worth playing is because of its uniqueness, replayability and also how hard it is to get shit

[south lance]

...

[blissful perch]

Ark is replayable if you have boosted rates

[lavish sparrow]

ark is replayable on smalls

[blissful perch]

Or trades I guess…but idk about spending multiple thousands of hours breeding lines

[lavish sparrow]

you can even make money with smalls shops

[mint swan]

Ark II can have that, you know little ahout the game. The game has almost no confirmations.

[lavish sparrow]

wish they let us know a little about the game

so their community can see if they're going in the right direction

[mint swan]

I also saw People complaining about mistakes in ark I ruining Ark II, while those things have no correlation

[lavish sparrow]

and so the pvp community doesn't accuse them of releasing a shit game

[blissful perch]

We do know a little lol, it’s in the pins

[lavish sparrow]

wildcards mindset

you know how many mesh spots are on gen2?

Their "best" DLC map?

You know how easy it is to do a google search and find them? Yea wish wildcard took 1 day out of their years of time to fix all the mesh spots on gen2

Maybe then building in a vent isnt suicide

[mint swan]

They are putting all their energy in Ark II, probably

[south lance]

people who build in vents are assholes tbf

[mint swan]

Did yall se the quality of the trailer

Dayum

[untold totem]

If it's not broken, don't "fix" it

[blissful perch]

Luckily it was broken

[south lance]

it was going to be broken*

[mint swan]

That makes 0 sense, not everything needs to be broken to be improved

[untold totem]

I dunno I can parkour and do dodges and other advanced melee in 1st person just fine

Also 3rd person is hell in super tight places

[mint swan]

If i buy a new phone, does it HAVE to be broken?

[blissful perch]

Third person is better in skill based combat. Always has been and always will be

[south lance]

the biggest issue is ranged combat

[mint swan]

Think of GTA, watchdogs, no mans sky, etc

[blissful perch]

I mean there’s great fps games out there, but your movement is limited by your perspective

[mint swan]

Is fixed in most games by zooming in next to the players face

[blissful perch]

Yes, this is called “close third”

[south lance]

honestly id rather it just force you into fp when aiming down certain weapons

fp aiming is way better

[untold totem]

Which is kinda lame and not better than what we currently have as 3rd person

[south lance]

but general gameplay i always keep third person anyhow

seeing my big beefy hands isnt a huge game changer for me

well i see them in all cases but taking 1% of the screen vs 10%

[untold totem]

Not to mention going to tight spaces especially underwater exploration

3rd person sucks for that

[mint swan]

It will be fun though to see your dumbass avatar 24/7

[untold totem]

I rather have the sense of scale in FP

That is the reason why meg's feels so small in 3rd person even though the meg's in ARK is accurately sized

[mint swan]

I wouldnt mind if it stayed third person. Also, i dont know why third person underwater is so horrible?

[untold totem]

Play ATLAS (literally Pirated ARK) and do some shipwreck diving and find out

[mint swan]

In ac:oddysey it looked fine for me

[blissful perch]

Third person underwater is essential lol. Otherwise how tf you checkin for eels

Lemmie just rapidly flip 180 degrees subnautica style constantly

[untold totem]

3rd person is only good in wide open spaces, I am talking about cramp claustrophobic puzzles

[mint swan]

Who says those exist

[blissful perch]

It’s not like WC won’t notice something looks like shit in third lol

If they make a cramped space and it looks like crap…games not out, why would they release it?

[untold totem]

It's indeed shit in 3rd as the camera phases through, make it difficult to see

[blissful perch]

you've correctly identified a weakness of third person, but again...if the game is designed for third why add stuff that is known to be bad?

[mint swan]

I would really like in Ark II to see npc villages around the map

[mint swan]

Because its hard to prevent, and most devs dont want to force you in FP

[blissful perch]

I mean MHW does it just fine

you just need the camera to move well

[untold totem]

Again those are only good if the location is wide enough for the camera to go around without smacking through the mesh

[blissful perch]

MHW has lots of smaller spaces in it

and the camera largely works fine. That's kinda my point

[fiery wedge]

Speak for yourself lol

[blissful perch]

I did XD

I either enjoy myself or play 180 flipping sim

[fiery wedge]

Bro do you not have any awareness XD

[fiery wedge]

You use that term like any combat that isn't dark souls takes no skill, just say fighting game or souls like.

[blissful perch]

I'm color blind, so in ark terms: no

[fiery wedge]

Don't you have audio?

[runic whale]

whats ark 2?

[blissful perch]

do jellyfish make a lot of sound?

[fiery wedge]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

I only hear em when they're on top of me

[fiery wedge]

They do actually

[blissful perch]

I also don't have game sounds cranked to maximum either I suppose

[fiery wedge]

My volumes also pretty high up so

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ makes sense, you're playing pvp

It's also lunacy to say perspective and skill are on the same axis, but clearly context implies that the move to third person is intended to promote combat that has more telegraphs and reactionary mechanics: something that gives more space for skill and comes at a massive loss of information if you're in first person

[fiery wedge]

A high fov would fix a lot of that

[lavish sparrow]

no offense but people can do pvp with no volume

[untold totem]

Tbf most games that uses both first and 3rd have same fov anyways, they just changed the position of the model

[lavish sparrow]

Arks audio is worse than some n64 games

heck its even worse than apex

[blissful perch]

you can do pvp like an idiot too, but I am presuming Birdwoman is attempting to maximize advantage

[fiery wedge]

Ye I usually blow my eardrums out at fobs if my friends ain't there

[lavish sparrow]

Ark audio is broken so audio volume doesnt really matter imo

[blissful perch]

if you want to maximize advantage, you tweak settings accordingly

it's why foliage in ark 1 just doesn't work

[lavish sparrow]

like having an ini

Thats my favourite tweak 🙂

[untold totem]

Eww ini

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ ini is a tragic consequence of slapshod optimization and open customizability

[lavish sparrow]

Oh but its cheating isnt it? 😭

Just sayin idfk how people think using an ini is cheating its literally just making ur game look like shit so you can see people

[untold totem]

Tbf that is the only way for people who can't afford to upgrade their PC to play ARK

[fiery wedge]

Closest thing to ini I can have is prevviewmode lol

[fiery wedge]

Bruh ur editing ur files to get an advantage

[blissful perch]

I mean i don't want to be mean but...not everyone should be able to play every game on every possible rig

speaking mostly to current ark. 2015 ark fried everyone's computers

[untold totem]

Umm... That is the point

People should be hiding in bushes and foilage

That is why the ghillie exists aside having a bonus against AI

[lavish sparrow]

people should be hiding in bushes and foliage?

shame ark view distance removes it

[blissful perch]

i mean it is silly that entities render before the environment lol

[lavish sparrow]

Its silly that entities actually derender

[fiery wedge]

I'd say a dude on a lightning is more important than a tree

[blissful perch]

if that's fixed in ark 2, you could have foliage actually hide you

[untold totem]

I mean it's bad business to barred people because they can't afford a supercomputer

That is why ARK is not very well known compared to other indie games

[lavish sparrow]

Haha knowing wildcard there will defo be a workaround

[blissful perch]

it's annoying as hell to have a creature in a trap -> it goes out of render -> the creature renders in before the trap and escapes

it's a dumb system lol

[fiery wedge]

Just trap it again bruh it's a wild dino

[dusk hearth]

They should've just dissabled the texture not the coolision when it goes out of render

[blissful perch]

I said annoying, not impossible

[dusk hearth]

Thats what i do when making a game

[untold totem]

Bare in mind ARK 2 will have "intelligent AI" that can walk away from structures

[fiery wedge]

We're talking abt ark 1 rn tho so

[untold totem]

This is ARK 2 chat

I am talking about ARK 2

[blissful perch]

i mean the idea is the system is dumb in ark 1 -> so fix it in ark 2

[fiery wedge]

Bro this chat talked about time dilation for like 3 hours straight at one point

[dusk hearth]

XDDD

[lavish sparrow]

Haha very intelligent

[untold totem]

This is why I put quotes in there because that claim is a bit of a high stretch

Considering there is no good intelligent AI on a sandbox game

[fiery wedge]

Who knows maybe they'll be the first, they do always try more complex things every dlc.

[untold totem]

Tbf taming is getting more complex as more DLCs added but the pain is still the same

[blissful perch]

my fear is that taming gets more complex but not more fun

I'm hoping ark 1 is what's holding back taming

[untold totem]

Yep, the Shadowmane taming concept is a novel idea, I just hate that I have to get a lot of fish just for a few taming progress and efficiency even if the server is 3x/4x taming

Tbh I rather omit the "additional levels" based on taming efficiency and make "additional taming progress" based on efficiency instead

[blissful perch]

I hate shadowmane taming because the shadowmane can sit underwater -> you're screwed

night starts -> you're screwed

I already hear the "but just trap it". Screw that, taming traps are boring and lame. I get they're imperative in ark 1, but let's see something better in ark 2

[untold totem]

If there is a creative way of taming aside from shoot and feed or normal passive taming

My fave passive tame is the Sino's method

No traps needed, you chase them

Sure it gets frustrating without the tame tracker and it gets annoying when they are near water unless you have a raft for them to land on

But taming them is fun

For modded ones, I like the deinosuchus as you have to lure them out of the water to bask

When they open their mouth to bask, that is how you give them the taming food

[blissful perch]

I can’t stand the blood stalker/ bat tame lol

So janky and so weird that you have to feed it another tame first

[untold totem]

I mean it's better than killing yourself to tame them

[blissful perch]

I just don’t get why your tame isn’t enough to do the job 🤷‍♂️

[stray elm]

Cause

[lavish rain]

I look away for 1 second

[mighty lion]

You sacrificed tames to tame a bloodstalker? Why?

[stray elm]

It increases its taming-percentage.

[mighty lion]

I dont remember effectiveness decreasing when using blood packs.

[stray elm]

It doesn't decrease.
It's just if you want a 100% tamed bloodstalker, you need to sacrifice a tame or something.

It's a weird one if i remember right.
Cause when you start taming, it starts at like 60% taming-effectiveness instead of 100%

[mighty lion]

Must be a glitch, I dont remember that issue, but i probably just forgot

Can I say that the shear level of difficulty to get a 100% on an astrocetus was also ridiculous

[stray elm]

Yeah.....

[icy vigil]

What will happen to Ark Evolved when the full version of Ark 2 is released? Who has any assumptions? Personally, I think that mostly newcomers will go to Ark 2 who did not yet know what Ark Evolved is, and the Ark evolved audience at least I think more than half of the online will remain.

[topaz geyser]

ark 2 giga will have passive taming🥵

[stray elm]

Not confirmed, but a lot of people think official servers will slowly shut down when ARK-2 comes out.

English.

Bruh.

"English motherfucker. Do you speak it?!"

[icy vigil]

But not all servers will close, this is not acceptable, because people spent money on buying the game itself, and buying additional cards to the game, many even more than half have additional cards, you can't somehow limit Ark 1

[icy vigil]

What are your problem bro?

[stray elm]

The fact that you ghost-tagged me with another language, then deleted it.
That's my issue.

[fallow niche]

Eventually ark 1 will probably close, or at least no longer be supported. Happens with most games that have sequels.

[untold ingot]

It might never die out entirely, but I really doubt there will be thousands of official servers anymore lol

[stray elm]

Okay, so here's the thing not a lot of people get.
You don't own any rights to a game when you buy it, other then the right to use the product.
If they decide to shut-down their servers, then they can.

Many games have shut down their servers

Dark-Souls for example is unplayable online, due to FromSoft shutting down all of the Dark-Souls servers.

[icy vigil]

In what sense will it close, if updates do not come out, new cards will not fall online rarely come out, and the online keeps the same, the main thing is not to be closed completely, or if completely, then give all players Ark 1, free to play Ark 2, because in fact, the players spent a lot of money, in the end the game was closed,

[stray elm]

Heyo, buckaroo.
Guess what?
A lot of games have shut down their servers for their original titles.

[fallow niche]

Most games eventually close down. It's just how it is. You can't seriously expect companies to keep one service available forever.

[stray elm]

Destiny 1's servers on the 360 are gone.
Can't play the game anymore.

[fallow niche]

You spend money on everything, stuff doesn't last forever.

[stray elm]

Nothing lasts forever.

[untold ingot]

Ark1 has had a much longer and more successful run than most games

[fallow niche]

~7 years

[icy vigil]

But it's not a fact that Ark 1 will be closed, I hope it doesn't happen.

[fallow niche]

It's just a normal assumption. Events are ending after this year.

[stray elm]

Well, the sad reality is that it will one day.
Maybe not when ARK-2 comes out. But it certainly will in another 7 years.

[untold totem]

Unofficial servers exists

[stray elm]

And single-player.
And you can host your own servers.

[icy vigil]

It's an assumption, or just exaggerated

[fallow niche]

We said it was an assumption, no one voiced it as fact.

[stray elm]

It's how the games i listed off are still slightly alive.
Even though you can't play Dark-Souls 3 online anymore. You can still join private servers hosted by other players.
But the 'official' servers are gone.

[fallow niche]

Either way, we don't know, but preparing for the eventual "end" of ark 1's official servers isn't really the worst thing to do.

[stray elm]

You know there's going to be people that'll start their own 1x servers once ARK-1's official servers shut down.

[fallow niche]

There already are 1x servers, so yes

[stray elm]

Well, yeah.
But i meant more often.

[icy vigil]

I don't know what to play, if not Ark 1, the best game I've ever seen and played it for 3 thousand hours, I have all the Dlc I play it every day, I didn't even think there was a chance that the game would be closed

[fallow niche]

Dunno. Continue or wait til ark2 comes out.

[stray elm]

Or like we suggested.
Play unofficial servers or SP

[icy vigil]

It's not even that, it's about the fact that online will fall, the developers will essentially lead to death their first and successful project, which clearly paid off at times

[stray elm]

So you want them to infinitely support a 7+ year old game?

[icy vigil]

For example, Rust, Minecraft, GTA 5, these are old games that are supported, especially Rust

Although Gta 5 is not that old

But when it's 7+ years of the game, and it keeps online players 70,000+ in the evenings, I think there's no point in quitting it

[stray elm]

Minecraft is hosted mostly on player-dedicated servers.
Rust also dedicates all their money towards a single game, which doesn't require it to need to shut down servers.

[fallow niche]

Okay and they may not close it down right away, but eventually they probably will, because of ark 2.

[stray elm]

Rust also doesn't have 200+ servers as official ARK does.

(official Rust, mind you.)

[icy vigil]

In Rust, there are 30+ servers and each of these servers holds 300 slots for players, such a Host is very expensive, and what is the problem to do also Ark 1, so that players make their official servers, so that they are the same as these, are checked and then run in the "Official" section.

These 30+ servers are hosted by developers.

[stray elm]

Yep.
And guess what?
It's their only game. Hints why they can spend so much money on their servers.

[icy vigil]

I think if the developers want to close the official Ark 1 servers, they will do it like Rust developers, because it seems to me that you can't lose the game and 70,000 thousand online

[stray elm]

You can totally kill off a player-base if you have another game like it.
It's what Elden-Ring did to Dark-Souls 3.

[icy vigil]

And I hope that they will not close, because if there is money for Ark 2, or rather its creation, the Ark 1 project pays off constantly and there will be no point in closing it.

After all, I don't think that the developers of Ark, or rather the studio, are so poor

[stray elm]

You're right, there'd be no point 'at first' to close all of the servers.
But do expect some servers to go into the chopping block.
So instead of 200+ servers, ARK-1 will have 100+ servers.
Which, i personally think it needs since there's a LOT of dead servers.

[stray elm]

They're not 'poor'
But they're no where near something like Microsoft that you compared with Minecraft.

[icy vigil]

I think the developers are smart, and will close half of the Ark 1 servers, the official ones, so as not to lose the audience of Ark 1, because not everyone will fit modified Ark 1 servers with donate and kit

[stray elm]

Well, yeah.
They can 'only' close official servers since they don't own unofficial.

[icy vigil]

Or maybe they won't close official servers, who knows them, maybe they have enough money for everything, let alone launching Ark 2 they will have even more.

[untold ingot]

I highly doubt they will close every ark1 server as soon as ark2 drops. It will likely be a couple years before significant changes happen

[stray elm]

That's what i'm thinking

[fallow niche]

Yes, but again, still an eventual close lol which is our points to Spice

[split dove]

What did I miss

[untold ingot]

But there will be a paring down as the number of players drastically drops in favor of ark2

[stray elm]

The worse i think they'll do is shut down the dead-servers no one goes on.
Which, is a bonus actually.

[untold ingot]

If ark2 somehow fails, they will still want to be able to go back to ark1, it's the safe approach. So they won't immediately close it down, but as ark2 popularity rises they probably will close most ark1 server

[icy vigil]

For example, you can look at statistics where there were no more than 15-20 online, the server will be closed, and there are a lot of them, and in the end they will spend less money, or what they want to achieve there

[stray elm]

Well, i mean the servers i literally see '0' players online constantly, but yeah, low-pop servers also need to go.

[untold ingot]

If every ark1 server had 15 active players they probably wouldn't close them lol. Most these days have like 3-7 active max

[stray elm]

My biggest issue with the online part of ARK is there's 'too' many goddamn servers.
For a part of the game that's expected to meet, see, and fight people. You can't really do that when the official community is spread out to 300+ servers.

[untold ingot]

I already know of a couple megas that are slowing down a lot since the ark2 announcement

[stray elm]

Funny if they think they'll get a headstart. Since they're probably assuming ARK-2 will be just like ARK-1 in PvP.

[icy vigil]

Again, if they do it, or they may not turn it off

[untold ingot]

They already closed legacy servers lol, there will be another wave of legacy servers

[stray elm]

Yeah, it's unconfirmed right now.
Don't worry about it, since it'll be awhile since they fully shut down the servers.

Oh true!
If anything, they'll just wipe the original servers of ARK-1 and start with new servers once ARK-2 comes out.

[icy vigil]

If they change Pvp, no one will think about going to Ark 2, pvp to Ark 1, a separate kind of art, you can't change anything in Pvp

[untold ingot]

Having 50 people online at the drop of the servers will put them in head start, regardless of how it goes

[untold ingot]

It is already announced to be changed lol

It is going to be different by quite a bit

[stray elm]

Yeah, you can change a lot.
PvP in ARK-1 is the most generic bullshit ever.
And it doesn't matter if ARK-1 players think ARK-2 is bad. They can just market the game towards new players and forget about the old ones.

It worked for Bethesda with Fallout-4.

[icy vigil]

Then I'm even more sure that even fewer people will move from Ark 1 to Ark 2

[untold ingot]

Most of the og ark pvpers from YouTube already spend all their time complaining about ark1 pvp, that probably won't change with ark2 lol

[stray elm]

Again, don't need to convince them to move.
New players, new community, new expectations.

[untold ingot]

I think the large majority of people are on the fence. It'll depend on how the first couple weeks of early access go. Just like with any game

[past wind]

I’m not so sure… I have played ark pvp from 2015 to 2019. It was all complains about a lot of things. 😂

[untold ingot]

I know there is a pretty decent core of people who will move to ark2, and as soon as the first wave of YouTube videos come out more people will join lol

[icy vigil]

But still, if everyone doesn't like pvp in Ark 1 and complain about it, then why does the game have 70,000 thousand online in the evenings, because people can pour and wait only for Ark 2

[past wind]

Also, the Ark Pve community is considerable. Probably larger than the pvp community.

[untold ingot]

You have to understand that those 70000 aren't all pvp lol

[past wind]

Pve!?

[sonic elbow]

People are really being like, "Man, ARK sucks so much, can't wait to get to ARK 2 where they fix everything." ARK 2 presents them with better combat, and suddenly they're crying over everything.

[untold ingot]

Only a small fraction of them are, and of all of those people, not everyone is even on official

[past wind]

People will complain, period. 😂

[sonic elbow]

Facts, facts.

[stray elm]

That 70,000 isn't 'only' towards PvP

[sonic elbow]

AND the whole First Person thing. Someone's gonna make a mod for that day ONE.

[stray elm]

ARK's community is heavily spread out.
There's a lot of people on unofficial PvE.

[past wind]

I don’t have actual statistics, but I think the pve community is larger.

[icy vigil]

What will happen to people who spent a lot of money on Ark 1? If Ark 1 is thrown, I think it's a spit in the face from the developers

[untold ingot]

It is, by quite a bit

[sonic elbow]

My theory is that it's not gonna work well with the better combat animations, so they just went 3rd Person.

[past wind]

So makes a lot of sense to focus a lot more on them.

[sonic elbow]

ARK 1 is 6 years old, what's left for you there.

[stray elm]

Welcome to how Destiny-1 was treated.

[untold ingot]

I mean, seeing as they just had a free week where they basically gave the game away not to long ago

[sonic elbow]

I hope you're referring to DLC. If you bought ingame Items and Creatures then you deserve the money bleed.

💀

[past wind]

What? It’s been seven years… you can’t expect the developer supports it forever.

[untold ingot]

If you bought in game items and creatures you were breaking the coc 🤨

[sonic elbow]

Fun facts with SteL!:
People couldn't care less bud.

[past wind]

That’s not on the devs, though

[sonic elbow]

Who deleted my comment. 💀

Bozo moment

[stray elm]

A mod since you stated where to buy said things

[past wind]

Bot maybe

[sonic elbow]

If it wasn't obvious.

[stray elm]

Sure, it's obvious.
But making it even 'more' obvious doesn't help

[sonic elbow]

Point not taken.

Anyways, I have zero clue what I was talking about.

[stray elm]

Shit

[sonic elbow]

Ah yeah the changes

Changes not that bad

Changes gonna be good

And if you don't like something, you can mod it.

And we all get the same mods this time, which is AWESOME.

And Stranded Deep building.

[split dove]

Console actually gets mods this time 😂

[sonic elbow]

Which is fucking awesommemeeememe

I hope that doesn't mean they're gonna be overly monitoring the mods

Like what if I wanna replace Vin Diesel with someone else entirely and they for some reason got pissed and removed it

Nude mods even
For the degenerates that use "realism" as an excuse

I see you.

And oh boy, can't wait for ppl to give us the og Santiago

"Look look, we're so much better than the Devs! We fixed the whole game by changing this model! Aren't we so cool?"

[untold ingot]

Of all the possible mods that could happen, that is the one you are excited about?

[sonic elbow]

Which one?

I stated like 5 in total.

[untold ingot]

I mean, the popular ones in ark1 are qol, and maps. I would think people were more excited about that lol

[sonic elbow]

Which mod?

If anything I'd be more exited in NONE of them.

I play strictly vanilla.

[split dove]

[sonic elbow]

Very cool.

Vanilla games are usually the best way to playm

Minus emulation or fixing actually broken stuff yadda yadda

[past wind]

S+

[sonic elbow]

Nahhh

Don't need it

Never have, never will.

[past wind]

You know most of the structures of the base right now are from s+?!

[sonic elbow]

???

What are you talking about.

[past wind]

Wc used s+ on the base game

It was a huge change on the structures

[blissful perch]

S+ isn’t “officially” supported anymore because WC partnered with the mod dev and moved a bunch of features over

[past wind]

This

[sonic elbow]

Are you talking about the Homestead Update

[blissful perch]

That sounds right

[sonic elbow]

Ahh ok
What about it

[past wind]

It was an import QOL mod

Just that 😂

[sonic elbow]

Oh.

Ok.

The only mod I MIGHT get is a mod that lets me tame, breed and ride Vin Diesel.

[blissful perch]

Also every free map DLC was a mod

[sonic elbow]

I need my Vin Diesel Mutations.

[past wind]

You think we will be him?

[sonic elbow]

No, definitely not.

[split dove]

One Vindiago is already bad enough

[past wind]

I think we will create our char like on Ark I

[sonic elbow]

The horror.

[sonic elbow]

Obviously, yeah.

With that character creation we see in the Cinematic Trailer?

No way they wouldn't use that. Plus we can't all be Vin.

[split dove]

Possibly

[past wind]

I asked because I’ve seen people here worried about that… going around and seeing lots of vin diesels

[blissful perch]

I was lost instantly at the forbidden word “mutations”

[sonic elbow]

Boss Vins.

[split dove]

The horror

[blissful perch]

He doesn’t know

How close I was to goin full reee

[sonic elbow]

Riding my raid Diesels into battle on Ragnarok 2.

[split dove]

[sonic elbow]

Be valiant, Survivors.

[blissful perch]

Know that there’s nothing I loathe more in all of gaming than ark 1 mutations

[past wind]

About maps… my feeling is the base map will be huge

I don’t think we will have much space for modded maps

[blissful perch]

I think modded maps will be started the instant tools come out

[past wind]

Like today?! With maps coming every 6 months?

I think that won’t happen with Ark II

Gut feeling

[blissful perch]

“We don’t have space for modded maps” is not the same as “WC will not release a new official map every six months”

[sonic elbow]

Actually, I completely change my mind. When people start recreating the ARK 1 Maps, preferably with added content like extra areas and possibly bosses, I'll 100% download.

[past wind]

Sure, I meant the later

[blissful perch]

There will probably be loads of modded maps. Idk how ark 2 will handle releasing DLC or sustaining itself long term

[past wind]

The planet will be huge

And the ark I model won’t work, I guess

I’m curious to see what the DLCs will bring

[blissful perch]

I mean ark 1 had a long delay between the island and the center

[past wind]

But the island was a tiny map

It was logical to have more map DLCs

[blissful perch]

The island is tiny now

The island didn’t feel tiny until larger maps got released

[sonic elbow]

The Island only feels small because of all the movement options we have now.

[blissful perch]

Every map felt small with 200% speed fliers

[sonic elbow]

Riding on a Ptera or Argy across The Island six years ago is far different than using a Shadowmane or Mana.

Slower options create the illusion of vastness.

It's why I don't use Flyer Speed.

Also it's ridiculously overpowered.

The only OP Settings I use are clipping buildings and perma-tame Titans.

And the clipping is for convenience, while the permanent tames is because I'm on Singleplayer and not working with a 6-person team that can tame all three in a day.

[past wind]

MASSIVE, NEW ALIEN ENVIROMENT
Explore a mysterious, chaotic world where native flora and fauna are being overrun by invasive primeval creatures from an extinct Earth!

👆 I'm talking about that

[blissful perch]

Yes, because size is determined by travel speed, not actual physical size

[past wind]

I think it will be HUGE

for those who played atlas, I think it will be similar

[blissful perch]

“Massive” was used to describe the center over the island, used to describe rag, genesis 2…the word means less than you think

[past wind]

One official atlas server is like 64 ark servers

each grid of the huge map = 1 ark map

[blissful perch]

Atlas is also not that good

Hot take I know…

[past wind]

The map was Huge

[past wind]

This time seems different

[blissful perch]

People thought Gen 2 was different too XD

[past wind]

UE5 make it possible, I'm beting on a huge map

[past wind]

forget ark 1, I'm talking about the new possibilities of the new engine

Just my gut feeling, sure, but I bet on a huge map

[blissful perch]

I mean if it’s massive and not well detailed I see that as an oof

[past wind]

and DLCs will not bring maps, but items

[blissful perch]

Uh oh P2W energy incoming

[past wind]

I mean... you can't support a game for 7 years without making money out of it

[blissful perch]

P2W ≠ making money

[past wind]

Atlas has no DLCs... I wouldn't call it popular LOL

[past wind]

I know a lot of people that considers Ark 1 pay to win

all the newest DLCs brought overpowered creatures

[blissful perch]

I agree: tames and items from other DLC should never be allowed on other story arks

[past wind]

I would hate it LOL

I think it's great to be able to travel with creatures to the other maps

[blissful perch]

Ruins the maps lol

[past wind]

I don't know, not for me

But I think you have a point

[blissful perch]

I mean if you don’t care about the map’s balance it’s fine. Many people don’t

I thought Ab was perfect in strictly blocking tames from other maps and barring fliers

[past wind]

I think a better solution for Ark 2 would be create Buffs and Debuffs for specific areas of Aratai

considering it's really huge

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ eh we’ll see how that all plays out

DLC could be new maps set on the same planet for example

[past wind]

It's possible indeed

Or... new planets 🤔

[hexed goblet]

I picture ARK 2 being a bunch of Vin deisels running around on a beach

But It's not

[stray elm]

Sadly, no.
Vin is already confirmed to be a singular NPC

[vague jetty]

what do you fellas think about the third person only aspect of ark 2?

[stray elm]

But with the dev-kit.
'I can make everyone into Vin'

[stray elm]

I'm a bit pissed about it.
It's not a turn-off, but it's just a inconvenience.
I would take a 3rd-person only combat system with a 1st-person just for the sake checking out minor details and to get immersed.

[past wind]

It's not confirmed

[stray elm]

Steam page

[past wind]

But I think he will be a NPC

[past wind]

can you paste it here?

I didn't see it

[stray elm]

Will do, give me a moment

[vague jetty]

I agree, It seams like it would totally kill immersion

[stray elm]

It also depends on what 'you' find immersive, since everyone is different.
But i for one get only majorly immersed if i see through the eyes of my character.

[past wind]

Starring Vin Diesel ("Riddick") as legendary ARK hero Santiago, experience an epoch-spanning adventure as he seeks to protect his daughter Meeka -- voiced by Auli'i Cravalho ("Moana") -- from the ghosts of the ancient past and visions of a new future.

@stray elm You mean that part 👆

It doesn't say he will be a NPC

[stray elm]

Hang on, let me do it.

[vague jetty]

dont get me wrong, third person is great and all. But if you don't have that first person experience of getting absolutely merced by a dino is it really even ark?

[past wind]

It all depends on the new mechanics

for Ark 1 you might be right

but we don't know how the new combat mechanics will work

[stray elm]

"Suddenly awakened on a strange primal world filled with dinosaurs and humans struggling for dominance; "You" must piece together the history of how you arrived there, team-up with legendary "Heros""
"Starring Vin Diesel ("Riddick") as legendary ARK hero Santiago, experience an epoch-spanning adventure as he seeks to protect his daughter Meeka"

It doesn't flat-out state it directly, but it's pretty clear that they're separating 'your' role in the story from 'his'

'Your' objective it to find out how you got here with a form of amnesia. (from what it sounds like)
'His' goal is to just protect his daughter, and to suffer from the good old PTSD.

[stray elm]

Yes, it's still ARK.

[past wind]

Yeah, makes sense

It's a clue I didn't notice

[stray elm]

The perspective doesn't make a game, it just improves or weakens it.
But it doesn't 'make' a game.

[vague jetty]

it seams like Ark is heading in a more story driven 'console exclusiveish' type of game if you know what I mean

[past wind]

I beg to disagree. It will have as much story as Ark 1

[stray elm]

This is with every thing on the Steam-page for it.
Gotta tear it apart and think outside of the box.
A lot of game marketing teams do that.
They'll give minor hints to more major stuff and word-play it to make it seem like something less so you overlook it.

[past wind]

But maybe more elaborated

[stray elm]

No more story-based then Genesis-2 was.

[vague jetty]

I just wonder if their will be a mode where you can just disconnect from the story and just tribe up with your friends

[stray elm]

Doubtful. Cause just like Genesis-2, it's probably optional.

[past wind]

Yeah, I know but I never linked the part of Hero = Team up with heroes = NPCs

Good catch there LOL

[stray elm]

There's a lot like that.

[past wind]

Makes a lot of sense to turn Santiago and his daugther NPCs of your tribe

[stray elm]

Like how they separated the "a dark force to destroy all life" away from the "Aratai wanting to run off the new human interlopers"
Meaning there's a unknown third-faction/secondary villain. (possibly the return of a form of corruption)

[vague jetty]

at least from what I've heard so far, the game doesn't seam to be as multiplayer focused as the first was

[stray elm]

Or as NPC dedicated towns that you can't block off, or whatnot.

[past wind]

sure, like Ark 1, you don't need to follow the lore

[stray elm]

Just read the steam-page

[past wind]

you can just pvp, or just create a pre-historic zoo, or just play the sims

Ark II isn't shaping up to be a linear game.

[past wind]

I don't believe ark II will have towns, do you?

[stray elm]

It just more sounds like the mechanics and gameplay loop from Genesis-2 is going to be the foundation.
A roughly-quick-ish story-based intro, then you're off to do whatever you want. With the 'option' of missions.

[past wind]

Would make sense to have Aratai camps/villages though

[stray elm]

Game is set roughly 4+ years after Genesis-2, so it wouldn't make sense to 'not' have towns

[vague jetty]

do you mean to suggest that ark 2 is going to be filled with mini-games?

[past wind]

based on the first trailer, they look like a nomad tribe

[stray elm]

Nah, i mean the general concept of missions.
You don't ever have to touch the mission terminals, but if you do want extra rewards, then you can always do a mission.

[stray elm]

Nah, seems like they just got a egg and where bringing it back.

[past wind]

It could be 🤔

[stray elm]

The first girl literally had a egg in a pouch that she was protecting

[past wind]

But thinking about that... It took him 4 years to turn Genesis off

[stray elm]

Then the little girl petted the egg for a second, like it was fertile.

[vague jetty]

I really hope they take this opportunity to make the game far more survival focused rather than "OoH TeK go bRrR"

[stray elm]

'We also don't know if the trailers are canon, or where they set in the timeline'

[stray elm]

AYE, i liked tek. But i wished it was more refined and balanced.
Again dude, read the steam page.

[past wind]

I mean... it was the first trailer, they should put in there as much hints as possible

[stray elm]

Again, a cinematic trailer doesn't mean it's canon.

[past wind]

I would put it as cannon. But it's possible they can change some aspects of the lore

[vague jetty]

Steam page doesn't really seam to say much about the kind of technology we might be seeing

[stray elm]

I wouldn't.
I'd just put it as 'a cool cinematic trailer that was showing the power of UE5'

[past wind]

It actually does

[stray elm]

It does

You might wanna read more on the page.

Also, when it was first announced. In the next community crunch they stated it was a "primarily primitive-based game."

[vague jetty]

"Suddenly awakened on a strange primal world filled with dinosaurs and humans struggling for dominance"????

not seeing a whole ton

[stray elm]

Okay, i stand corrected about that.
Did look through it and it doesn't state.
But again, they've stated in CC's that it'll be a primitive-game.

[vague jetty]

It looks like that so far...

but Ark 1 also looked that way from the beginning

[past wind]

Ok, it's not on steam

With a focus on primitive-era combat (Santiago and Tek have a ‘complicated’ relationship…),

[stray elm]

Cool.
It actually 'progressed'

[past wind]

it's on the survivetheark site

it will be primitive: With a focus on primitive-era combat (Santiago and Tek have a ‘complicated’ relationship…),

[vague jetty]

I suppose it is called Ark: Survival Evolved

[stray elm]

Yes.
Going through the ages of humanity is what made ARK, ARK for me.

Now, i'm all up for a primitive-based game.
But they better start progressing slowly overtime in future DLC's.
Cause if they don't, i don't think i'll be playing it for as long as i played ARK-1.

[past wind]

look at the A MESSAGE FROM THE FOUNDER in the post they made at survivetheark site

It will be primitive, no tek

[stray elm]

That wasn't a response to you.....

[stray elm]

Funny future DLC's can say otherwise.

[past wind]

Yes, I believe that too

Eventually there will be tek. Maybe some lost Hero will bring back tek to the table (as Santiago seems to be against it).

[stray elm]

I for one would go with said new person.
"Fuck Santiago. All my homies hate Santiago 2.0"

[vague jetty]

honestly though, as long as Santiago can grunt into my ear I'm happy

[stray elm]

MOOD

[abstract birch]

Vindiago not only seems to have a complicated relationshipt with Tek. Seems he has an issue with everything past Onga Bonga era cause everything above that (maybe with luck there is some medieval stuff) seems not to be a thing.

[abstract birch]

And yes.. the revamped 2.0 versions sucks..

The more I read, the less appealing the whole game becomes for me.

[lavish rain]

"Revamped"

[lavish rain]

Just ask him "what is your issue dude"

[abstract birch]

I would be his issue.

[lavish rain]

That would be me

[untold ingot]

I am personally hoping the whole Santiago thing is just like a side piece that you can interact with if you want, but doesn't actually influence the game much lol

[blissful perch]

I’m pretty sure it’s going to effect the whole knowledge system

The question is if we have to do the more “story” driven missions a lot, or if there are going to be more “one time” missions alongside repeatable ones

[mint swan]

Hm. I dont like missions a lot, so ig well see

If we do get missions, i want all of em be side quests, not 1 story line mission

Else, my ass will only focus main missions, and then i wont explore a lot

[blissful perch]

I loved race missions (not canoe) and most of the other non hunt ones, at least in principle

[iron sequoia]

Lol

(Not canoe) made me laugh

[blissful perch]

0 sane people like that mission lol I’d lose all the clout I ever earned here

I think a big question mark is gonna be how events work. If I’m on a massive map spending a lot of my time exploring, will I feel pressure to bring a bunch of crap in case I run into an event?

[iron sequoia]

Perhaps if we are given stuff to try complete it
So around the event area there is different armours and weapons you can use to do it but you can only use the ones you started it with no swapping midway

[blissful perch]

For missions I think that’s ideal

But what I’m referring to are the world events. Stuff like hurt creatures to save, roaming Aratai, watering hole and nest events, etc

[wispy sierra]

i think they should last long, and also not have any way to actuvely harm you, just provide oppurtunity

it would suck if a "tornado" event just started and you die

[blissful perch]

They should absolutely provide harm, but they should also be avoidable and optional

A tornado being unavoidable and harmful isn’t great but a hurt creature being attacked is something you can choose to expose yourself to risk for in order to gain a reward

[sonic elbow]

People still complaining about San2iago.

Make a mod that replaces him, or just don't play the game tbh

I already coughed up the $500 for the Xbox so it's kind of an obligation for me.

Save yourselves while you still can.

[wispy sierra]

yeah, high risk high reward thing, that's what i had in mind

[blissful perch]

It can be any risk you’d like for any reward you’d like, as long as it’s optional

People like jumping into risks seeking reward: they like it a bit less when risk is thrown at them for no reward (see: tornado)

[wispy sierra]

like maybe during migration, you can choose to ignore it entirely, or use it to tame some dinos, but risk being attacked by the herd

[blissful perch]

That’s more the goal, yes. But the migration won’t trample your base for example

[wispy sierra]

world event: hydrogen bomb

kills everything. unavoidable

that seems like soemthing people would enjoy.

[blissful perch]

That’s called a server wipe

[wispy sierra]

+gives permanent radiation poisoning debuff after you respawn.

fixed it

[lavish rain]

Official players be like

[sonic elbow]

?

[lavish rain]

Offline damage prevented

[lavish rain]

Can't use mods on official

If hydrogen bombs us an actual event no point in playing

[sonic elbow]

Sucks to be them, then.

Singleplayer for life.

[mighty lion]

If there was a cave or build method to prevent damage from tornados in an tornado prone area, the benefit would be base defense

[blissful perch]

Sure, I’m assuming more like a tidal wave just yeeting all the bobs off the island tho. Not quite as fun lol

[mighty lion]

Lol That would be hilarious the first few times, then annoying

[blissful perch]

Yep lol

I do think flooding would be a super sick event, but I’m not sure if I want it to just demo people’s homes lol

[mighty lion]

I'd be cool if it demoed thatch and some wood. But not stone or above. If those are even tiers

[blissful perch]

I’d also love tides, and I’m super curious what the water mechanics are capable of

[lavish rain]

No more island maps

I don't want no island boys

[fallow niche]

[lavish rain]

People becomplaining that this isn't a caveman game yet also complain about caves being the best building spots

[blissful perch]

I wouldn’t mind an archipelago with tides, reefs, and sea grass fields

[lavish rain]

[lavish rain]

Our archipelago is the center

[blissful perch]

The center lacks any of the mentioned features I said

Maybe one could argue it’s an archipelago. But it’s closer to say it’s three strips and a blob on the west side with extra pizzazz 😂

[lavish rain]

Yes

Center needs a tlc

[blissful perch]

Why? Ark 2 time heh. I’m also a sucker for turtle grass flats. It inspired my love for biology

I’m very in favor of anything that captures my shallow coastal experiences 😂

[lavish rain]

"Wildcard release ark 2 or I call lawyer"

Reminds me of
"Crossout ban arbiter or I call lawyer"

[blissful perch]

I love the idea that it’s somehow criminal to not release a game

[torn crypt]

One thing Ark 2 shouldn't do is introduce dinos from one DLC to the next. Like Deinonychus should be native to Val Drakes Native to abby etc. When WC add creatures from 1 DLC to a new DLC if the older DLC lore was only the creatures that DLC now becaomes pointless. WC seems to practice cannibalism. They've been killing their own DLC since Ragnarok came out and Killed SE. They realize their mistakes kept things on Lock down for a while until. Val they introduce crabs light pets etc. The last 2 dlc Lost island and Fjordur is a free for all. I know they are the final DLCs so it's cool but for ARK 2 don't have dinos overlapping. Keep creatures exclusive to a specific DLC exclusive. Don't add said create to the next 2 DLC which makes going to the other DLC pointless.

[half galleon]

as someone who usually isn’t able to buy game dlcs i find them adding these to other maps very nice so other players don’t get too large an advantage

[fair summit]

Isn’t ark 2 the Mobile

[fallow niche]

No. Mobile is a separate company and game.

[untold ingot]

Well, the guy who made Val is also the one who made fjordur, sooo

[untold ingot]

Either way, having things too exclusive really kills pvp in any game. It basically turns it pay to win

[blissful perch]

Should be exclusive to the DLC

Then there’s no P2W and people who want to have fun on a given map with its balance do that

[torn crypt]

Not issue what I am getting at is. Adding creatures between maps only kills other maps. Like When SE came out it was a unique map it was very hard to get wyverns that is how it should have been then Rag came and gave everything away. Which Killed SE and no one went to SE anymore it became an obsolete DLC. Why go die in heat to get wyvern eggs you can get without the weather or hardness.

I am all for adding creatures to maps but some creatures need to be locked into specific maps. Why would I go to any other map when 1 map as it stands or 2 maps have the entire game think about that.

That basically hinders travel most wont even bother travelling why when you can get all the DLCs dinos from the maps. I have no issue with adding dinos to maps but gotta be strategic about it. You kill maps when you put all the creatures on 1 map or other maps.

[untold ingot]

I mean, from a business perspective, a year or 2 after a dlc is launched you have basically made all the money its ever going to make. Why would you really worry about killing the map?

[torn crypt]

If something is exclusive to one map that means the player base must move around which makes everyone interacts more. Meaning players from other maps will interact with players on that map if you have no reason to go to most the maps because Fjordur now has everything. what is the point?

I have no big deal with fjordur having most the stuff currently ark 2 is on its way but for the future dont kill other DLCs by putting the creatures on all maps.

[valid apex]

Some of us with less play time appreciate the fact a map like Fjordur exists. This game isn’t exactly time friendly.

[torn crypt]

What made Valguero unique it had Deinonychus well not anymore that map is now useless you can get Deinonychus on Fjordur

[untold ingot]

On the flip side, having dlc only maps basically makes it so only the people who can afford the dlc get to play with those creatures. It's much better to have several maps with the creature

[torn crypt]

Isnt this how most games are the dlc has things you must acquire by purchasing

[untold ingot]

Nekatus who made both maps put the deinonychus on the map lol

[torn crypt]

I Mean this is commoon practice in all gamse

You have base game and you have extra stuff you want the extra stuff you gotta spend a little thats how it works

I am saying simple what was unique to Valguero is now on Fjordur

Fjordur has almost all the dinos why not leave the Deinonychus on Val

[untold ingot]

I am actually kind of glad that wildcard doesn't seem to have your same opinion on it lol. The amount of stuff they give away for free is one of the main reasons why I think they are one of the best gaming industry companies

[torn crypt]

WC do have my opinion

The reason the allow all the dinos on Fjordur is because the DLC is over

I mean the game is on its last legs they are focus on ark 2

[untold ingot]

Deinonychus was nekatus' brainchild on Val, if he wants to use it on fjordur that's fine too lol

[torn crypt]

Before Lost island and Fjordur you couldnt barely get any paid DLC creatures on free maps

Even if it was his brainchild he is not the one making the decision WC is

[untold ingot]

Except for all the generally useful ones

[torn crypt]

He is an employee dont matter if he created the dinos

[untold ingot]

He is not an employee

[torn crypt]

He is employed by WC so he has no final decision in what is added

Yes he is is he a head at WC ?

[untold ingot]

Nekatus is not part of wildcard

[torn crypt]

Does he have final say on what goes into ARK?

Okay then he is an employee for his Creation to be added to ark he m ust deal with WC hence he is a hire gun

[untold ingot]

Yeah, not how it works lol

[torn crypt]

Yes it does

Who has final say on dlc and other ark related things?

[untold ingot]

He made the map because he wanted to. He didn't even know it would be released to official until he was basically done with it

[torn crypt]

Is it that guy NO we all know that

I am glad he made the maps

They are awesome not arguing that I just think it would hav ebeen wise to leave deinonychus on Valguero

[stray elm]

I believe once a map is under Wildcards ownership, 'they' get the final say on the stuff. Not the original mod-developer.

[safe oriole]

Nekatus made Fjordur map as a mod. The map was so well known and loved by the community that it came to Wildcard's attention and they sponsored it for official release. Wildcard gets final say about Fjordur

[torn crypt]

Fjordur has basically the entire game why not leave the 1 creature native to Val on Val so players can have a reason to visit Val. Currently unless you actually enjoy Valguero map why are you going hmmm no reason

[dim flame]

In the good old days you bought the game and you had everything you need. It's companies figuring out how to squeeze as. Many pennies as they can from you. Same idea with Microsoft word. After they took it off the CD's they developed the idea they can make it subscriptions. And the sheep innocently followed. So we're stuck here now.

[torn crypt]

I know how the process works with all DLCs if they make enoug noise WC picks them up

[untold ingot]

It's a free map, like I don't see the issue

[torn crypt]

I know the process by now its been 7yrs I get it

Not saying its an issue I am jstu saying it woul dhave been better to leave the deinonychus on Valguero

Fjordur has every dino in the damn game

[lavish rain]

Deinon are actually useful for kibble farming so yeah

[untold ingot]

Unless you have maewing lol

[torn crypt]

Why go to Gen2 it has Manes R dinos Magma Ferox the map has everything ark has every made since it have all that just let the deinonychus stay on Val

[lavish rain]

Marwing eggs are random and less frequent

[torn crypt]

It has Drakes

[untold ingot]

Either way, we should probably move this conversation to #ark-survival-ascended or general and get back to ark2

[torn crypt]

The Drake addition to make makes sense

[stray elm]

Not if you have 30+ maewings out at once.

[lavish rain]

Ok, 30+ deinons

[torn crypt]

Only map beyond abby with Drakes that i get. I only wish acquiring the eggs was a bit harder its too EASY

[stray elm]

True, true.
But can Deino's also multitask of acting like a trough? 👀

[torn crypt]

Acquire drake eggs is too easy on Fjordur

[lavish rain]

Babies

[torn crypt]

You are missing the point idk what the deinonychus ability is my point is they are native to Valguero leave them there

Give us a reason to go to Valguero

[lavish rain]

Same with grffins

[torn crypt]

Don't take away one of hte main reason we go to that map

Isles havinga griffin lair made sense

[fallow niche]

This sounds more like more of a rant on ark 1 than actual ark 2 stuff. Move it to another channel or bring it back on topic please.

[lavish rain]

I'm all for dlc creatures being on other maps, as long as it's somthing small like light pets and mantis

[torn crypt]

Not ranting like I said I dont care not like I can change whats done

[lavish rain]

And basically every map has wyvern

[torn crypt]

I am just saying deinonychus should have stayed on Valguero

[fallow niche]

Again, im saying back to ark 2.

[torn crypt]

Griffins should have staye don rag and Isles

[fallow niche]

Rag and isles aren't on ark 2. We dont know anything about dinos other than the trailers.

[safe oriole]

This is a topic delegated channel. If you'd like to pursue this conversation, please move it to another channel. Thank you!

[stray elm]

[lavish rain]

Ah shit here we go again

Scorce: game of thrones ending

[stray elm]

Did you have a stroke my man?

Damn

[lavish rain]

Welp

Saw that coming

[fallow niche]

Move on.

Sorry

[lavish rain]

Please mute that Dale guy

Or temporarily extend the slomo

Either works

[sonic elbow]

What did I miss.

[lavish rain]

Don't worry about it

[split dove]

Not much, more of the usual

[blissful perch]

Ark stopping the games as service model

[split dove]

Remove mutations or add a functioning cap

[sonic elbow]

[blissful perch]

Just stop with the MMO survival shit. It doesn’t work

[lavish rain]

I want advanced movement thankfully confirmed
I don't want mutations
Please keep the crafting

[lavish rain]

Tf does this mean?

[blissful perch]

Games as service. The reason WC has to release DLC

WC has to pay an endless amount of maintenance costs to operate their game so you can play official

[lavish rain]

How are they supposed to stop that

I say just drop official all together

[blissful perch]

Never open official servers?

That’s how they stop that

I don’t want my money spent on something I continuously don’t see as adding value

[timber bay]

What did I miss?

[lavish rain]

I say we drop official completely, but maek tether range indefinite in singleplayer

[blissful perch]

Tether range has nothing to do with games as service…

[lavish rain]

There should always be an option to play with friends without spending money

And official isn't the answer

I say drop official

[blissful perch]

It would sell just fine

[lavish rain]

@blissful perch asked for a way to stop games as a service, thatsthe only way

[blissful perch]

And it would be able to remain successful after making way less

[timber bay]

I thnk DLC s makes the money for WC

I mean private hostings

[blissful perch]

More than half don’t play official lol

[timber bay]

FACTS

[blissful perch]

It’s 100% free for WC to allow multiplier on unofficials

[lavish rain]

Private hosting pays nitrado

[timber bay]

all those clusters with 6 or more maps some have over 20 maps

Privating hosting pays everyone

Nitrado WC and MS they all get paid

[lavish rain]

Well now could easily carry over to ark 2

[timber bay]

You think WC is going to let Nitrado host their game and not get a cut of it no way in hell

[blissful perch]

So now they can see what happens to a game like ark over time. Even better reason to drop or contract official early

[lavish rain]

WC will buy nitrado

[timber bay]

Dont have the capital to do that

Official can get great just needs to be manage better need wipe cycles and smaller tribes

[lavish rain]

Liquidize assets

[lavish rain]

That already exists

Also official pve

[valid apex]

Get rid of or severely limit the amount of KO tames…. More unique taming methods make the game so much better.

[blissful perch]

Official would be great if WC solved problems no other survival MMO ever solved

[lavish rain]

Where most official players plau

[lavish rain]

Like

[timber bay]

ARK 2 better have wipe cycles I know they exist but I mean like 4 months wipes 3x a year

[lavish rain]

Idk

[lavish rain]

Bruh you won't get specific to your taste

[timber bay]

Servers having tribes rule for 2000 years is so garbage.

[lavish rain]

We have 1 month and 6 man, that's enough

[timber bay]

I month ppl have lives that I wouldnt play lol

[lavish rain]

Wipe after wipe the same tribe will take over since they are the best

[timber bay]

I have to grind then do it over and over every month 3 to 4 months is more sensible you get enough time to build pvp get your fun in and if you choose you can do it again or take a break.

[lavish rain]

Taking a break dosent exist in ark

[timber bay]

Well wipe after wipe we can all move around change servers it needs wipe like other games

[untold ingot]

I feel like people don't realize that about wipes. It doesn't really change the hierarchy of alphas

[timber bay]

Wipe in ark means some of the better tribes might get tired go on break gives others a chance to reign supreme

[lavish rain]

That's rarely the case

[blissful perch]

The entire gameplay loop of either pillar spam PvE or PvP where you win if you play 24/7 or your progress gets wiped while you sleep

[timber bay]

It does change another strong tribe can come into a server the ppl who were being bullied can plot for the next wipe

Wipe changes everything more than you know it

[lavish rain]

Bruv, the best tribe will build up the fastest and remain alpha

[timber bay]

Yes it does 100% does ARK needs wipes cycle 3 to 4 months timeframe.

[lavish rain]

Plotting won't do shit if the other c tribe can still progress faster

[timber bay]

The best tribe wont build fast when all the other tribes from last wipe is on top of their heads 40 deep

They are not building anything

[blissful perch]

I imagine you play PvP and thus are fine with it. I’m speaking for the folks who don’t

[timber bay]

You are under estimating the benefits of wipes. Wipe should be a norm in any survival game. Imagine someone existence from launch until the game dies 10yrs later that is insanity

[lavish rain]

That same tribe is also on top of their heads 40 deep, with more experience too

[mortal kestrel]

I personally dont like full on base wipes, its heavily discouraging tbh

[timber bay]

PVP needs wipe not so much pve

[mortal kestrel]

I'd rather instead of your house being destroyed, you get like a frame you can simply rebuild

[timber bay]

PVP needs to have a 3 to 4 month wipes 3 to 4x a year you fought for 3 to 4 months have fun then give someone else a chance to reign supreme. This is how survival games should be

[mighty lion]

They have special servers for that. Official PVP wipes would discourage play too much

[untold ingot]

There are going to be the building blueprints so that might help a lot

[mortal kestrel]

Im thinking I'll likely be more nomadic in arkII tbh, with all the parkour systems combined with the combat system in arkII, Im not anticipating staying in one place too long

[timber bay]

even wipes every 6 months is good

It can be longer than 3 or 4 months 2 wipes a year

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️, maybe they do, but is that why so many don’t play it?

[timber bay]

We need some kind of wipe which will buffer tribes getting too powerful

[blissful perch]

Lots of people want to play it, and then they try it, get wiped, get bored, and quit

[timber bay]

New players to ARK 2 have 0 chance in hell if they dont wipe

[mortal kestrel]

Im hyped for blueprint building so Ill stop seeing ugly ass giant boxes everywhere

[mighty lion]

Same same

[timber bay]

If you want NEW players to come in and dive into pvp how in the world are they suppose todo that with tribes who've been sitting pretty for 1 or 2yrs with the most loot and insane creatures?

[lavish rain]

Toilet paper isnt essencial

[mighty lion]

^

[timber bay]

Yes but atleast they might come at the perfect time server j ust wiped they can atleast build something

I will always be for wipes i dont mind rebuilding every 6 months it keep the game fresh

[blissful perch]

I just don’t want money thrown in the toilet on servers people constantly complain about. Spend it on content development

Maybe keep some console officials because it’s hard to host an Xbox unofficial

[timber bay]

It gives others a chance to gang up on the last alpha and beat their #ss

[lavish rain]

The alphas will still wipe

[rancid orbit]

PvP wipes yeah, PvE nah.

[timber bay]

Imagine alphas beat up on everyone then everyone plot next wipe we are going to team up and beat their butts

That is possible with wipes you learn from your mistakes you come t ogether in groups and you beat the hell out of the alpha from last wipe

PVE dont need wipes pvp do

[lavish rain]

Except the pleasure will still beat their asses, also this rarely if ever happens

[mighty lion]

Naw, no PVP wipes. Play the wipe servers they advertise

[blissful perch]

Agreed. What keeps rust successful is a short progression system so wipes are less costly

[timber bay]

Not complaining just saying what I think

[lavish rain]

No

[rancid orbit]

yes

[timber bay]

Every conversation dont have to be considered complaints we are exchanging ideas

[mighty lion]

Guaranteed wipes give less incentive to play and actively throws away time played.

[timber bay]

Combat skilled will definitely work

[lavish rain]

In sure in ark 2 if the alphas have the best armor and weapons they will always kill the new guy who has beaten every dark souls on nightmare difficulty, it will be gear based

[timber bay]

So instead of wipes you guys rather 1 tribe rule for eternity?

No thank you I rather not play

[lavish rain]

1 tribe will always rule

[rancid orbit]

I see you've never bola'd someone, knocked them out and fed them poop to death

[mighty lion]

Lol is that your experience?

[timber bay]

Yes someone has to be on top but not 4ever

Wipe incentive 4ever 4ever ever

[mighty lion]

I'd rather wipe or be wiped by players than a garunteed one

[timber bay]

I am sure most the players who are in mega tribes will say that

😂

[lavish rain]

Alright, don't don't @ me when you go in there and you get your ass handed to you solely because they have better gear

[timber bay]

I am sure all the mega tribes players in the discord is gonna say no wipe lol

[mighty lion]

What do you consider a mega?

[timber bay]

No wipes mainly benefits megas beyond anyone else

A tribe with over 25 players is a mega tribe the avegare tribe is between 4 to 8

Megas have 100s of players

[mighty lion]

No, no wipes benefit any tribe that's worth its salt. Only people who are behind the learning curve really want wipes.

[lavish rain]

Your assuming I've never played a souls game and I don't know what I'm talking about

Gear will matter more than combos

[timber bay]

I dont have problem surviving on ark but I think most games like ark and survival should have a wipe system in place

[lavish rain]

It's the truth

[blissful perch]

It’s two different experiences tbh

[lavish rain]

Pretty much

[timber bay]

I hope we get a wipe mechanics idc if its 3 4 or 6 months but it should be in t his range. 6 months is beyond long enough to rule a server beat everyone up oppress the community as mega tribes do.

[stray elm]

Aratai seems like they may be a semi-wipe system.

[timber bay]

6 month is a long time to oppress new and weaker players then wipe comes and you are back to square 1 im all for it

[stray elm]

It'd be interesting if the Aratai has a mechanic that "the bigger and more players your tribe has, the higher chances of being raided by Aratai's."

[timber bay]

People screaming no wipes are more than likely mega tribe players they hide in groups of 30 and 50s

[split dove]

I'd be down for that

[mighty lion]

I agree, from a mega to a bob, it's two different experience entirely. But ark isnt that diametric. New players think 10 player tribes that do well for themselves are " megas" and that's simply not the case.

[timber bay]

No one thinks 10 player tribes are megas cut it out

Who in the right mind would say a 10 man tribe is a mega come on man

Talking about 20 and up not 10 man

Id say 20 to 25 is a mega tribe if your tribe has 20 to 25 plus alliances thats a mega in ark

[lavish rain]

Basically anyone who has actual skill dosent want wipes

[mighty lion]

Tbh you cant tell the size of the tribe by what they build, doubt Bob's check player count constantly.

[timber bay]

Wanting wipes dont mean someone is not skilled

[lavish rain]

It kind of does

[timber bay]

I play the game long enough from beta to know I have no issues with skill