ark-2

[abstract birch]

Humans murder children every day.. and do a lot of dark things.

[lavish rain]

@stray elm getcho ass over here NOW your in big trouble young man

[stray elm]

Tag my ass again, and i'll send you cursed memes

[lavish rain]

Ok

But you need to explain yourself

[stray elm]

With?

[lavish rain]

@untold totem wants to speak with you

[untold totem]

no i dont

[lavish rain]

Oh really

[abstract birch]

Dark forces Sounds more like corrupted element or simlar to me.

[untold totem]

i dont ask for his explaination

if i do i will personally

[lavish rain]

Idc I'm still making him explain

[stray elm]

'Well, if you insist in asking'

[lime forge]

The natives are clearly not the good guys in the story.

[lavish rain]

Except they are

[stray elm]

Ah yes.
Just like how the indians where the bad guys when the British came to America

[lime forge]

You telling me if Alien life crash landed on Earth and I just started shooting them I’d be the good guy?

[abstract birch]

They attack in the trailer which at First makes them Look as the Bad guys but we don't even know the reason.

[stray elm]

Yes we do.
To drive us off their planet
Steam page says it

[abstract birch]

Vindiago might have slaughteres some of them first

[lavish rain]

Yes

[abstract birch]

Bit why do they want it ? Maybe humans behaved Like assholes.

[stray elm]

If they started to colonize and brought destructive creatures that aren't native to theirs and starts killing their families and children and causing a inbalance to the ecosystem
Yes, you'd be justified.

[stray elm]

Read above. 🙂

[lime forge]

I mean what else are they gonna do? They crash landed. They can’t just leave. Colonizing is their only option.

[abstract birch]

That is what I mean. People often ignore that fact might be a thing.

[stray elm]

Doesn't give them the right to 'not' be angry about it.

[lime forge]

Surviving isn’t a sin

[abstract birch]

Depends on how.

[stray elm]

Exactly.
And the Aratai's are trying to survive in a now unbalanced ecosystem

Caused by said humans

[lime forge]

Survival and murder are 2 different things. A crash landing isn’t a hostile takeover.

[stray elm]

We also don't know if the shipped didn't, oh, i don't know.
Perhaps land on a major city/town of theirs and killed tens of thousands of their kind?

[abstract birch]

Would be pretty Boring to have the orks as the pure evil ones.

[stray elm]

You'd be pissed if some alien crashed on your house, then started stealing all your food, while bringing space-crabs that are infesting your family and slowly and painfully killing them.
But it's all cool, cause they needed somewhere to live.

[abstract birch]

Or ruined a sacred Site of them, Destroyer an important food source, brought illnesses, etc

[lavish rain]

There's gonna be an aratai AI that breaks into your house, dosent steal anything, and just inconveniences you. I bet money on it

Or just straight inconvieniences you

Like they send pegomastax and whistle attack target on all ur dinos

[lime forge]

I mean yeah I’d be upset but they crashed, they didn’t do anything intentionally. As a reasonable person I wouldnt be inclined to pull out the AK and start kneecapping aliens.

[lavish rain]

I would

[stray elm]

Ah, but you see. You would if you had the mindset of them being the issue.
Put yourself in others shoes, not just your own.
To a primitive species. A strange object just fell out of the sky, and ever since strange beings that look like your own race have came, but with this new creatures that are highly aggressive and killing everything and destroying your crops.
These are simple beasts though, while these other "Aranoid" species are smart as you are. Meaning that out of everything, 'they're' the cause of the issue.

Or they simply are either generic villains. Or they just see humans as a better source of proteins.

[lime forge]

Killing someone who has no nefarious intentions is evil no matter who’s shoes your in.

[stray elm]

"They're eating her. And now they're going to eat me.
Oh my gooooooood"

[lavish rain]

Hard disagree

[stray elm]

Good and evil is a pretty narrowminded way of thinking of stuff.
There's a reasoning to everything, even if it doesn't apply to your opinions.

They are 'aliens' after all.
Their morality can be very, very different then ours.

For all we know. They could be a Predator like species and have a "thrill of the hunt" mindset.
New people on the planet? New fun!
Does that make them evil?
No, it just makes them sadistic to 'us'
But to them, this is normal.

[lime forge]

Yes. Evil is normal to evil people.

[stray elm]

Again, that's pretty narrow thinking.

[lime forge]

It’s really not. Excusing evil because it can be justified is just as bad as being evil.

[stray elm]

You don't have to agree of what they're doing.
But you can understand the 'why' they're doing it.

[stray elm]

Not justifying them hunting human for sport.
Justifying would be me trying to defend them. Which i am not in that theoretical situation.
But it's a narrow, you could even argue 'primitive' type of thinking to think of life as 'good' and 'evil'
There is a reasoning to everyone's choices.
You don't have to agree with it, and that's fine.
But blindly thinking someone is evil for the sake of evil without a reasoning is, in it's own way, slightly primitive thinking.

[tropic crag]

So, by your logic, a lion is evil because it kills it's prey and then eats it to survive? I don't know about that one, bud

[stray elm]

Or 90% of mammals are evil, cause most kill for sports when they get bored.

[tropic crag]

Not even just mammals, 90% of life on Earth, period

[lime forge]

No. Lions kill when they’re hungry. That’s survival. They don’t just go out and murder people.

[stray elm]

I hate virus that invade my body without permission to death.
But does that make them evil?
No, they're simply doing what they evolved to do to survive.

[stray elm]

Yeah actually, they do.

[lime forge]

No they don’t.

[stray elm]

Humans aren't special.
We're not the only species that hunt just to hunt.

[stray elm]

I can send you plenty of footage of animals killing for the sake of killing, without eating said kill.

[tropic crag]

My point must have fallen out of the statement, because it was entirely missed

[stray elm]

Surplus killing: "Surplus killing, also known as excessive killing, killing for sport, henhouse syndrome, or overkill, is a common behavior exhibited by predators, in which they kill more prey than they can immediately eat and then they either cache or abandon the remainder."

[lime forge]

No. You can send me footage of animals killing for food or protection. Not just killing to kill. Maybe Orcas, but they’re kind of evil.

[stray elm]

"Lions Kill For Sport Just Like House Cats

They like to chase, play, and kill animals like birds and rodents, just like a smaller cat would. Take the example of a group of lionesses one biologist witnessed in Botswana."

"Zoosadism is pleasure derived from cruelty to animals."

[tropic crag]

There is so much footage of creatures killing for sport, you are kinda dead wrong if you think otherwise. But go ahead and die on that hill if you want, I guess... it's a shitty hill lmao

[lime forge]

You guys are comparing animals to sentient creatures capable of logic and reasoning.

[stray elm]

A: They're both animals.
B: We don't know the extent of their intelligence.
Neanderthals made tools, but they where still primitive enough to not care about how other species feel other then themselves.

[lime forge]

The Orks are the bad guys. They’re evil.

[ripe cedar]

They do seem to be an antagonist to the player

[stray elm]

If that's what you think, chap.

[tropic crag]

I wasn't trying to convince you of that whole spiel, but you are wrong if you think it's not a thing that animals (and furthermore, life in general) do/does, just sayin. My point was that the Aratai are fighting to survive, just as we are in this new and hostile world. So, henceforth, they are not evil incarnate per se, just fighting to survive. Different thing entirely

[stray elm]

No shit.
Yet, antagonist doesn't mean 'bad'
Just means a opposing force to the main protagonist.

[ripe cedar]

I know

[tropic crag]

As were the native americans, right? Check yer self, lmao

[ripe cedar]

Evil is a very loose term and basically applies to people who do things you dislike

[stray elm]

Exactly!

[tropic crag]

Ehhhhh, I beg to differ

[stray elm]

And 'good' is when someone does something nice to you to give you the funny dopamine juice.
It's all perspective.

[ripe cedar]

Ok what is evil?

[stray elm]

They could be also fighting for fun.
Which, is bad for us.
But doesn't make them 'evil'
Just makes them a greater threat.

[lime forge]

No. Once again you’re off point. The Native Americans were defending their lands from people actively trying to take it. People who came to their land to take it.Not survivors of a ship wreck who have no other options but to live where they landed.

[ripe cedar]

In the description they seem to be fighting us because they dont want us on their planet

[stray elm]

And said people where running away from a dictator who was chopping the heads off of people for not having the same religion he had.
Does it justify what early Americans did to the natives?
Hell no!
But you can 'understand' both sides.

[abstract birch]

The problem is we often think in games we are the good guys cause we see things out of the perspective of the protatgonist/us.
Like take The Last of US2.. we play as Ellie and we see it first as Evil that Abby kills/slaugters Joel only to see later that Abby only killed Joel cause he killed her dad (cause he did not want Ellie to be killed for a cure to heal humanity as a whole).
Who is now evil ?

[stray elm]

Forgot about that in this whole discussion.

[hazy elm]

Can we tame the humanoid AI like in conan and use them to help defend our territory?

[stray elm]

We don't know

[hazy elm]

We NEED to know now

@unkempt wing we need to know if we can tame people

I'm probably getting banned 😦

[ripe cedar]

Uh you can tame other players by becoming friends

[stray elm]

It's all perspective.

[abstract birch]

But why ? Only cause we stink or cause we messed up ?

[stray elm]

"I am passive taming you by giving you likes and dopamine on Twitter"

[stray elm]

Cause we imbalanced their ecosystem with aliens

[abstract birch]

It is and actually both sis not very nice things but if you know both sides you at least understand the reasoning behind it. Humans are no good.. it is all grey.

[untold totem]

Nah I can only be tamed by m o n e y

[abstract birch]

But maybe there is even more to it, we don't know yet.

[tropic crag]

Well, it is more or less regarded as the opposite of good, or as "morally wrong" and is usually used to describe things/people that cause harm and suffering for the sake of doing so. It's not really meant to be subjective, but then again neither is "good", at least it wasn't supposed to be... so, idk, actually. In the current world, I guess it can be taken any number of ways lol

[ripe cedar]

Well then, we dont know

[lime forge]

No. I can’t understand both sides. It doesn’t matter why the colonizers came to America. Genocide is not acceptable. It doesn’t matter why you’re doing it.

[stray elm]

I'll give you 10$ for being my friend. 💸

[stray elm]

Hmm, this man is a lose cause then.

[untold totem]

Deal

[ripe cedar]

Evil is bad because its evil obviously

[stray elm]

"Good is good, and evil is bad."

[tropic crag]

Agreed

[lime forge]

A lost cause for not sympathizing with genocide?

[abstract birch]

We could be evil to Indian people cause we eat cows.

[tropic crag]

I'm evil to muslims because I eat pork, I guess, then

[abstract birch]

For us it is normal and nothing evil at all cause different morality and believes.

Only was a super banal example but yeah.. some Muslims say you got to hell when you eat pork

[ripe cedar]

Ark 2 though

[stray elm]

No.
Lose cause for not understanding what we've been trying to say for the past 30 minutes.
Which has nothing to do with genocide.
Without seeing both sides, you can't come to a agreement and end a war peacefully. (even if it's too late for the fallen)
But only seeing that your side is right, only leads to one side winning.

[abstract birch]

Maybe humans ate some holy animal of the Orks and now need to be driven off the planet cause of it additional to fucking up the planet with invasive species (and humans are themself an invasive one).

[stray elm]

They started worshipping dodos, and then we eat them like some everyday KFC.

[ripe cedar]

I mean it would be interesting if there were different types of aratai which were mainly differentiated because they have different religions or cultures

[stray elm]

And this has to do with perspective.
They see us commiting genocide of their holy animal.
We see it as just eating with the fam.

[tropic crag]

Yeah, we are the invasive species here, more so than the dinosaurs and all that other shit, we could really fuck over their planet, and that is why they don't want us there. I imagine, anyways.

[stray elm]

Hell yeah!
World building!

[abstract birch]

Yeah and they might see us as the big evil that came from the starts that ruins their planet and lifes.

[stray elm]

Maybe a later on sub-faction that doesn't agree with the motives of the major faction.
Having a chance for a possible peace between species.

[tropic crag]

I feel they're much smarter than we think, and somehow found out why we're here in the first place

[ripe cedar]

Still wondering what gonna be added after initial launch because im pretty sure it was stated all of the features on the steam page are for the early access release

[abstract birch]

That would be neat if they were extremly smart and not tumb and as primitive as we think.

Maybe we even brought the dark forces with us and that is a reason they want us gone.

[stray elm]

Oh no, i think they're 100% hella primitive.
But it would be interesting if they have onpar modern human understanding capabilities.

[ripe cedar]

Yeah the more we advance the more they learn from us and advance themselves

[stray elm]

Which, if that is the case.
Given the resources and time. They could get smarter then humans ever did. If they already have that much understanding in such a primitive state

[abstract birch]

I mean in their thinking. Not primitive in their thinking.

[stray elm]

Ah, right.

[tropic crag]

I swear, if they end up being the creators of element, I'm going to scream atoadaso at everyone here

[ripe cedar]

What do their philosophers think

[stray elm]

Nah, they're natives

The steam page confirms it.

[tropic crag]

Which doesn't change the fact that aliens (to us) made element, and they could be those aliens, lmao

[stray elm]

'Now'
If their planet originally had a form of element on it, and they mutated/evolved alongside it for million of years. Then 'that' would be interesting.

[abstract birch]

Would be actually fun to see when humans advance that the Aratai adapt or even learn from the Ring ruins themself and advance. Would give a nice challange.

[untold totem]

The element are too advanced to be created by such primitive civilization who wears nothing but bones

[stray elm]

Unless they blasted themselves back to a primitive state.
Also, not what we're talking about

[tropic crag]

It set us back to the stone age...

[ripe cedar]

Element could be formed naturally

[tropic crag]

That too, but I doubt it tbh

[stray elm]

I doubt that.
I'd kind of be pissed if they went with the "element has always existed" wrought.

[ripe cedar]

Maybe we can tell them that it was either us or giant tentacle man and that they are probably lucky that we killed him

[untold totem]

I am more agree of them being natural than "invented by someone"

Especially that looked like a literal Ork from any fantasy setting that doubled down on the ooga booga

[stray elm]

Element is already based off of The Expanse.
Why not go full out and make it Genetically made by a ancient civilization?

[stray elm]

Like, to be fair.
Their design isn't farfetch of alien life.

[ripe cedar]

What if the ancient civilization transferred the entire collective conscious into it and that is the element hivemind

[stray elm]

HMMMM!!

Honestly, a pretty original idea that's a hybrid of the Floods origins from Halo

[ripe cedar]

Anyway if i had to guess i would say bob created element

[stray elm]

True

[ripe cedar]

Bob consumes all

[untold totem]

Bob is the ancient one

Bob is the true aratai, the Orks are just for show

[ripe cedar]

Also i hope that the default name in ark 2 is blank so you have to fill it in with something because as much as i love bob and human and bobette i would like more unique names

[stray elm]

"The true Aratai's are the ones we made along the way"

[abstract birch]

Bob made element

[stray elm]

Hopefully a random name generator.

With a .000001% of you getting Bob.

[tropic crag]

Ehhhh, artificial life isn't that hard to make, I wouldn't be surprised if it's all just been one AI-like being this whole time

[ripe cedar]

How much life have you made lol

[untold totem]

I am not allowed to say a name anymore lol

[ripe cedar]

does it start with b

[untold totem]

D

[stray elm]

Dad?

Is that you?

[untold totem]

yes son, your name is dad

[stray elm]

[ripe cedar]

Is it david wildcard long lost 3rd wildcard founder

[untold totem]

lmao

[tropic crag]

Artificial* life, big difference

[lavish rain]

From what

It's not a compound is an actual element

Ex

Anyways how smart are aratai

[ripe cedar]

We dunno

[mighty lion]

I think it would be much better if they had scaled intelligence and not just static stone age tech

[lavish rain]

What if we just ran into a poor "African (for the sake of analogy)" aratai village and aratai are actually just as smart as 1900s people?

[ripe cedar]

Maybe maybe not we do not have enough information

[blissful perch]

Can’t really scale the whole map in an MMO without wipes, although I admit it would be insanely cool to do so

I also read the whole morality thing. +2 to the folks who recognize universal morality straight up doesn’t exist and good/evil are not defined by anything but culture and circumstances

I see the Aratai as competitive natives seeking survival against an invasive species and nothing more personally. They don’t seem to be initiating civilization wide warfare, they just seem to be a skirmish heavy race that where possible seeks to thin out or remove nearby humans. Given they tame our earth creatures it seems the beef stems from them occupying the same niche as humans

[blissful perch]

My understanding is that our biologic intelligence has been largely the same for tens of thousands of years. It’s only our learned intelligence (IE the sum total of our recorded knowledge) that’s rapidly increased over the last couple thousand years

[mortal kestrel]

this ^

otherwise we wouldnt be wasting our time teaching every generation the same shit over and over

[blissful perch]

Our ability to teach is so insanely valuable. The fact we can record it even moreso, since we can save multiple generations of knowledge. Couple that with the specialization agriculture allowed and that’s a civilization slated for success

[lavish rain]

How is that related to my comment

[blissful perch]

“As smart as 1900s people” implies biologic intelligence to me? Since generally tech/knowledge isn’t smart per se? I’m open to admitting I misread ya ofc

[lavish rain]

I meant technological advances

They are starting to fuck around with nuclear technology, and aircrafts

[blissful perch]

Ah. It’s plausible but unlikely, since inventing aircraft probably means that you’d seem them on an orbital drop or at minimum a crash the size of the genesis ship would attract them from places that had them

[sonic elbow]

So I've been playing some Monster Hunter World, and I have a sneaking suspicion this is the direction ARK is going.

[blissful perch]

I’d KILL to see this crossover (content wise ofc)

Carving ark creatures for parts to use in the modular crafting, actual fights where the creatures show off a personality? That stuff is so dang cool

[sonic elbow]

Bingo, remember we're gonna be making weapons exactly like that.

Dinosaur Parts = Infinite combination of Weapons.

[blissful perch]

We actually have no idea if the materials are going to be as diverse as MH or not. But it would be amazing

You can get a lot of combinations with 4-5 slots and some wood variants lol there’s a huge variance in what we see that’s all technically true when they say “millions”

[sonic elbow]

And the Monsters walking around the Map in a set path is quite like Migration.

I feel ARK would be a bit more creatures with it though, MHW is really predictable with it.

[blissful perch]

Idk MHW has some predictability for sure, but it takes a long time to master it. For example I spent a long time waiting to learn that viper tobi comes out of the caves to hunt popo

[sonic elbow]

The whole parkour thing sounds straight out of MHW, like with the hanging vines and the clusters of wood.

It FEELS like I'm playing ARK 2.

[blissful perch]

It really depends on how they do that system, MH isn’t the first for sure, but it’s an example of it. It depends if the parkour is free or not

MHW had constrained parkour but games like BotW had free parkour

[sonic elbow]

I dunno, 8 hours in and all I can think is "Wow, this is pretty much exactly what ARK 2 on the Steam page describes."

And, "What the FUCK is that giant as T-Rex behind me"

[blissful perch]

I’d say monster hunter is by no means a sandbox. And ofc no building

[sonic elbow]

Well yeah, minus the Survival aspects.

Add hunger, thirst, building and a way bigger map with more Monsters and you have ARK 2, I reckon.

[blissful perch]

I totally agree there’s a lot that could be in common. I’m curious about many of the systems and how they’d all work

I think the combat will by nature be less interesting than MH

People won’t want a 15-30min TTK on a rex is my guess. And for PvP that would probably get annoying for them

[sonic elbow]

Lame.

I wanna have to hunt down giant ass creatures that take an hour to take down.

Unironically.

I can understand easy kills for Dodos and Raptors and whatnot

But if I'm fighting a Rex, that should take awhile

[blissful perch]

It would be fun, but i suspect it won’t be ark 2’s style

I sense ark 2 creatures will be tougher than ark 1’s from a skill perspective, and i hope it’s a “less kills but more drops/higher quality drops per kill” since I hate meat runs…but I doubt it’ll be like MH. After all, ark is a survival series and MHW is about fighting the monsters lol

[fiery wedge]

It's a pvp game bruh, you can tame dinos on ark. And if they had mh health then there'd be no point in doing almost anything but riding a dino and it'd make it impossible to do anything to someone with one on foot.

[sonic elbow]

Give them the giga nerf.

That way hunting anything will still be a challenge, easier, but a challenge.

Gotta learn how to mod, so I can just make this my reality.

[fiery wedge]

😐 Just go play mh if you want that

[sonic elbow]

Go play ARK 2 if you want.

Oh wait.

[fiery wedge]

I wish

[sonic elbow]

Watch the Fast and Furious movies on one monitor, and Jurassic Park on the other.

The ARK 2 lore experience.

[fiery wedge]

I'm poor I don't have multiple monitors

[gilded stratus]

@fair sun 1v1 me in minecraft ur awful

[fair sun]

100% agree. I suck at minecraft

[gilded stratus]

thank you for agreeing

[blissful perch]

Valid idea tbh, although I suspect it’ll never happen it’s a cool way to balance the environment to remain tricky while keeping taming in the game. The issue is that in PvP it would mean everyone just whoops your tames unless they’re as unpredictable as players lol

[sonic elbow]

Well no, because everyone would have the nerf.

[blissful perch]

I mean that the value of tames would drop, since as a foot player you could just souls style kill everyone’s tames

What makes ark 1 tames scary is that you’ll never out dps them and if they’re on you, that’s extremely bad news lol

[left arch]

I have an old 12" Polaroid tv from my parents house as my second monitor

[candid hound]

Uhhhh is it true that vin diesel actually plays ark lmao

yep googled a bit found a reddit post with a screenshot from his insta account

that picture with him behind a monitor displaying ark

[fallow niche]

Related to ark2 or just random tidbits?

[mortal kestrel]

yes it is

[mortal kestrel]

hi country

[abstract birch]

That is what is said.. how much he really plays no one really knows.
Might be for marketing only and in reality he does not really play much.

[mint swan]

is ark 2 gonna be on xbox one?

[fallow niche]

All info is in the pins

[split dove]

current gen only, so for xbox only series x and the other new one

[mint swan]

oh

damn i wont be able to play ark

[mighty lion]

I more so would like regional intelligence and intelligence increases in each DLC. It would be alot more valuable story-wise to wildcard to have the aratai have a lost civilization or just greater societal depth, since unknowns hook player interest.

[blissful perch]

Oh you mean like lore intelligence rather than AI? Cause that’s fine by me to a point

[vague briar]

It is said that ARK2 will have MH vibes is that true? or just a random fact ?

[mighty lion]

Yeah, lore and more advanced equipment, not ai

[split dove]

unless stated by wildcard it isn't officially confirmed

[vague briar]

we'll see in extra life then , thanks flobs

[blissful perch]

Read the pins and make your choice on if it seems like MH

[past wind]

The most annoying thing about Ark II is, it’s been two years since the official announcement and we only have two 1 minute trailers showing nothing of the gameplay. I’m still hyped for sure, but a little annoyed by that.

[stray elm]

True, true

[past wind]

1 gameplay showing most of the game and I would be good for another year.

[mighty lion]

November 5th boys

Hopefully

[past wind]

Hopefully… 😖

[blissful perch]

No smart dev has a trailer showing most of the game lol

you want people to explore and experience the game and its content

[stray elm]

Well, no der.
But they should show some actual gameplay before the game releases.

[vague briar]

im not expecting gameplay content in the extra life event , more like creature concepts , weapons , maybe some ingame screenshots , you know , that kind of stuff

[stray elm]

Wildcard is also expected to come to Gamescon, which is next month

[blissful perch]

they have a lot of time to release gameplay before release

[vague briar]

didnt knew about that , hope so then

[blissful perch]

I'd rather see gameplay as late as possible, so WC gets more time to develop the game before giving us expectations via gameplay footage

[fallow niche]

Yeah, I'm not all that worried about seeing more I just want them to focus on making sure it's smooth

Obviously I'm expecting bugs in the beginning, what game doesn't have them, but hoping for better luck in the long run

[blissful perch]

I don’t mind bugs but I hated ones like falling through the mesh out if now there or having issues with bosses just not working

[fallow niche]

Hopefully without the spaghetti code it'll be easier to fix things like that without breaking 80 other things and instead only messing up slightly like other games do sometimes

[velvet iron]

Is it likely for ark 2 to work at 60 fps on xbox series x or is it gonna be stuck at 30fps?

Assuming the ark2 optimization isn't the same or even worse than the first one's

[stray elm]

We have no idea

[velvet iron]

Aight thanks, is there any ETA for the release besides that it's gonna release in 2023?

[stray elm]

Nope

[velvet iron]

Damn tough

Thanks for answering my questions tho, have a nice day

Wait is it true that ark 2 will only launch on xbox and pc and not ps?

[fallow niche]

At launch yes, we don't know about later on down the road.

[stray elm]

Yep.
Since it's coming out in early-access

[velvet iron]

Okay that's cool, glad to hear that since I got the xsx lol. Cheers

Well it shouldn't matter anyway as I will get my PC before it releases so I guess it doesn't matter that much

[lofty topaz]

Hm

[mint swan]

is it going to be more pve or pvp

[fallow niche]

We don't know yet, current info is in the pins

[untold ingot]

You know what would be really cool for ark 2, if single player allowed you to seamlessly transfer from one map to another like a cluster, rather than the upload/download that you have to do now

[blissful perch]

well it does work like a cluster in that you use obelisks to transfer items between maps

it would be cool if in SP ascending places you on the next map tho

[untold ingot]

It works like separate maps, not like a cluster

[mighty lion]

Define seamless

[untold ingot]

Like on a cluster? Being able to transfer with a full kit would be kind of nice

[fallen fiber]

circular structures would be cool
and maybe cliff specific structures as well

[elder scroll]

yes

[fallen fiber]

[elder scroll]

[twin cave]

this

[mighty lion]

I think having a charecter screen on the main menu would help this, no need to load in a server to transfer.

However there are a few downsides for PVP for anytime transfers

[worldly garden]

Why are they expected to be there? They are confirmed to be at PAX West for the Switch release. Not sure there's any expectation for them to be at Gamescom unless i've missed something.

[candid hound]

didnt they say it was gonna be 2022

kinda dont belive its gonna be 2023 either

[blissful perch]

Right spirit

The game comes out when you see it open on steam 😂

[candid hound]

Bet its gonna be in coming soon longer than karlson lmao

[blissful perch]

The key with WC is always patience. It’ll come out, but don’t sweat the when 😆

The only people I know can’t do that are content creators who want to host big launch streams…rescheduling those sounds super irritating

[candid hound]

been playing ark for 3 years already damn

[blissful perch]

Played since 2015, and it’s been a journey. Ark 2 will be a good next step

[candid hound]

7 years go so fast dont they

[blissful perch]

Only in retrospect lol, but yea

[candid hound]

I remember i didnt have a good pc or anything always loved to watch one youtuber of my nationality he did a lot of ark videos, now he cringe 😢

Bet hes gonna play ark 2 when it comes out

[blissful perch]

I had a gaming laptop when I first played ark and it was very unhappy lol. Couldn’t play SE on launch because it ran so badly

[candid hound]

damn you couldve fired eggs on that thing probably while playing ark

[blissful perch]

First thing I did on my current PC was play Val on high settings, and I almost cried looking at how beautiful ark as a series could be. Ark 2 will likely look even better

[blissful perch]

Eggs? I could have grilled steak 😂

[candid hound]

kek

If i could just be in the pc master race and play ark online, im not gonna pay 10 bucks a month to microsoft

Also old ass pc doesnt count as pc master race ngl

[blissful perch]

I used to be big into consoles but once I realized steam was the big wave and every console charged for multiplayer I was like: “pc time”

[candid hound]

Ik steam is the shit and i got ark on steam while it was free

but i hardly play anything on steam

[blissful perch]

I’m big into early access games so steam is by far the best formal platform for that

[sonic quarry]

aight so whats the deal with ark 2 like ark 1 is the ARK space stations and that and the homo deus dudes but whats ark 2

[abstract birch]

Ark 2 is Onga bonga Vin Diesel on a new planet with primitive Orks that want to kick humans from their planet again, with some family story of Vin having to safe his daughter and some dar forces. Best check the steam page. Also onga bonga primitive now.

No Arks anymore.

[blissful perch]

Bold prediction. Maybe the fallen ring is the new ark 👀👀👀

Maybe ark itself gains new meaning 👀👀

[abstract birch]

Not Arks as we know them from Ark 1

ANd the ship Ring is the ship ring, not an Ark.

[blissful perch]

Right but I’m just messing around. I don’t have exhaustive lore knowledge, especially after I checked out post extinction

[abstract birch]

XD

[calm osprey]

hello

[blissful nest]

I want one thing: Owlbear.

[blissful perch]

I unwant owlbears. Keep the copy pasted fantasy stuff out of ark pls unless it’s a mod…nothing kills immersion for me like stapling animal parts to each other

[untold totem]

Manticore intensifies

Orks intensifies

[blissful perch]

My feelings are unchanged with that boss

The Aratai aren’t stapling random animal parts together per se. It’s humanoids with tusks right? That’s not like slapping a lion’s head on a person

[split dove]

mostly bigger humanoids with some spikes on their body/different teeth

[wispy sierra]

I think mythology is a good starting point, but you need to actually make@it look like an animal

[lavish sparrow]

Will ark 2 be an actual paid game or will they make it free temporarily like they did a couple months ago

[untold totem]

you need to wait for 7 years for it to be free lol

[gentle night]

Paid

[lavish sparrow]

still bad

[gentle night]

The game being free was because fjordur was the last dlc and they probably wanted to get as many new players as possible

And imo they succeeded massively in that

[lavish sparrow]

the game being free has made account sellers so much money

[gentle night]

That’s a small minority

[untold totem]

and since it's a violation of ARK's Code of Conduct, those accounts will get banned

[lavish sparrow]

of what

[gentle night]

Of people who sell/bought accounts

[lavish sparrow]

They are the reason people blatantly cheat on smalltribes

[untold totem]

why bother buying accounts when you make an account for free and get the game legitimately

[wispy sierra]

If they made it free they might as well just burn the money

[lavish sparrow]

It isnt a minority because the BIGGEST threat on smalls are cheaters who cheat because they can just buy an account for £1

[untold totem]

#OfficialSUCKS

[gentle night]

Every game has their cheaters. There’s very little ways to stop people cheating even when the game is free for a period of time

And they always end up getting caught

[blissful perch]

I suppose it depends on the mythology. I’m against chimeras because it makes me angry as a biologist lol but other stuff like Fenrir bothers me far less

As for cheaters, yes it’s a pretty substantiated claim that a free game means more accounts, more ban evasion and smurfing, and more cheating. That’s the most major drawback

[gentle night]

It was still a good marketing because it brought people to their game

[lavish sparrow]

it would be fun without the cheaters

[untold totem]

#PlayUnofficial

[wispy sierra]

I’m more thinking from a design perspective, ark griffins just really stick out because it’s literally just a hybrid

[blissful perch]

It’s a trade off. More players but also more “bad” players from a CoC violation standpoint

[wispy sierra]

Chimeras can be done really well if the creature is seamless, so a better designed grffin in my eyes would have bird features throughout and not a random lion’s hind legs and tail

[blissful perch]

A chimera by design imo is supposed to look jarring

[gentle night]

frfrfrfr

[blissful perch]

But that’s not a griffin anymore right? I agree it looks better, but the reality is that it’s no longer the chimera and it’s now just a fantasy creature (very similar to how monster hunter handles it)

[wispy sierra]

Tru, which is why i mentioned they’re betting as a starting point to creature your own creature

[blissful perch]

In monster hunter if you look closely, rathalos has elf ears. But that’s not really a formal chimera. It’s a bit strange, but the rest of the animal is clearly thoughtfully designed to fit the universe

[wispy sierra]

Most monsters have elf ears

Even nerg has some lil baby ears under his horns

[blissful perch]

Do NOT mention him to me rn lol I spent two hours failing at that crown again

Ark 2 suggestion: keep crown farming FAR AWAY FROM ME

[wispy sierra]

Sure, we’ll have mutations instead

But yeah MH is a good example of using mythology as a starting point to create interesting creatures

[blissful perch]

You know I’d take crowns to mutations, but why must I suffer lol

[wispy sierra]

RNGesus demands it

I do hope ark 2 branches out form dinosaurs and prehistory, obvs keep a good roster of Dinos, but I’d also love to see more of their own creatures

[lavish sparrow]

I hope they dont stick to being a "dinosaur game"

The Island is

Wyverns arent dinosaurs 🤡

Its more a game based on extinct creatures (mostly)

coelacanths and sarco's are around in some form today

Wolves too

But coelacanths are deep sea creatures yet they are placed in rivers

im talking bout irl

Rex's exist today in fossil form

Tru, you got theri's in ark and chickens now

yes

Still wish Coelacanths were deep sea

my ancestor is a monkey your point?

irl Coelacanths are deep sea creatures, just saying it would be cool if they were deep sea in ark

I am a monkey

[mortal hinge]

ur a scientist

[mortal hinge]

what do you think of my list of unacceptable inaccuracies in ark? 1. pelagornis flight animation should glide instead of flap, 2. mutations should be able to be positive or negative, 3. jellyfish should just float around and not aggro, 4. honey shouldn’t spoil fast, 5. element should not have a periodic table symbol

[blissful perch]

Trained as one anyway

1.) Pelagornis flight animations, like most fliers, should probably have both powered flight and glides

2.) mutations are cringe, gameplay > realism, and I’m not playing ark to play a breeding sim

3.) jellyfish should act like floating sea mines and be largely immobile OR move in a fairly predictable straight line for the most part to reflect them being “carried by current”

[mortal hinge]

thank you that one's the most important

[blissful perch]

4.) honey should absolutely spoil fast for balance reasons, although ways to better preserve foods would be really cool…I always hated preserving salt spoiling so fast

5.) it’s element. Creative choices on the gimmick that explains ark science (element) like how it looks etc is all up to WC so I have no complaint with their choice

[mortal hinge]

they could do anything but give it a periodic table symbol

having a periodic table symbol implies it's a nucleus with some specific number of protons

and all the ones that make any kind of sense at all to have are taken up

i'll easily buy 'mystery space substance with mysterious effects', but not 'element 135 specifically has all these mysterious properties'

[blissful perch]

I don’t care too much about that. Element already nearly or entirely violates conservation of energy, so appearance is the least of my concerns if I cared for element lore

[empty grail]

Who looks at element and goes this doesn't have x protons

[wispy sierra]

There is a mod I believe called immersive flight that makes flying more realistic, with both powered flight and gliding

[untold ingot]

I thought that mod was pretty broken and unusable for some flierz

[stray elm]

Shit, sorry.
Got them mixed up.
I meant they're expected to be at PAX West, not Gamescom.

[worldly garden]

No worries, I thought for a second I missed something! 😆

[lavish sparrow]

will they come to pax east?

[blissful perch]

Pretty sure you’ll know if they’re going somewhere cause they’ll say so?

Is it normal to hide what events like that you go to? I feel like you’d want to be pretty public about that

[lavish sparrow]

Ok sorry that I dont follow their socials

[blissful perch]

I don’t either, but if I wanted to know if they were going to Pax east I would check there 😆

[stray elm]

Yeah, true.
But GP has so far been right, and is a bit sus about that fact.

I think they're a Wildcard spy.

[blissful perch]

idk, just seems like time wasting to speculate like that if it's not intended to be a surprise

[stray elm]

They didn't announce themselves coming to the Xbox-Bethesda showcase.

And we thought the same thing now, as we did then.

[blissful perch]

Which was fine with me lol, it made the surprise feel pleasant and worth it

I saw tons of people who heard nothing from WC swing by to say “watch WC not release anything, typical bad company etc etc” simply because people were creating an expectation without WC actually saying anything

I don’t have to know the minute someone at WC considers releasing a trailer it may happen. Just a ping when it’s out is plenty

[stray elm]

I know.
But the point is that they did, in fact show up.
And now there's talk of them coming to PAX West. So i don't see why not.

[blissful perch]

Ok but the thing you replied to me about was speculation about Pax east

[stray elm]

I keep mixing them up....

[worldly garden]

PAX West is confirmed. PAX East is like next year anyway.

[mighty lion]

I want to find an aratai village infested with noglins

[untold ingot]

That sounds like a nightmare

[split dove]

you madman, i love it

[placid atlas]

Darn

[blissful perch]

I doubt it would be a village. More like a ruined mess 😅

Noglins aren’t known for taking prisoners

[blissful perch]

Would it be a nightmare to find abandoned Aratai villages that got ransacked by wild animals? I feel like it would be pretty cool to watch a rex wack some Aratai and give you an opening to raid

[untold ingot]

I mean, I am rooting for the aratai honestly

[blissful perch]

I want to see a bit more about them first lol

[split dove]

be carefull the aratai will have plot armour 😂

[blissful perch]

Because who I usually root for is the rex 😂

I was a bit sad to see Vin had saddled my boi like that

[untold ingot]

I wanna see the aratai do raids on mega bases and win jaja

[split dove]

disrepected the rex by making it his prehistoric car

[blissful perch]

Facts. Show them who’s boss 😂

[untold ingot]

Like if you build a base too big and unstoppable horde just comes and eats you

[blissful perch]

I’d love that. A doom counter for hogging a cave for too long

[stray elm]

Seems like that's the idea

[untold ingot]

Caves need to be untenable anyway

Not necessarily unbuildable, but incapable of a large duration game

[stray elm]

Hmm.
Maybe a system that the cave entrance collapses once every great while, and rapidly kills everything in it, then the rubble clears out?
Kind of like a lesser version of Aberration's surface, or the volcano from Genesis-1.

[split dove]

like the original teaser trailer when the rex kills the last aratai?

[stray elm]

Basically, but Vin and his crew would be the ones fucked since they'd be trapped in the now toxic cave.

And they could make each cave (or each cave per region) slightly different.
Some caves collapse and kill everything, until the debree despawns.
Some only the entrance collapses, as the whole cave fills with toxic-gas from plants.
Some can even just do what the volcano did, and lava caves can irrupted.

There's a lot of hazards in real-life caves they could explore.

[blissful perch]

What about toxic gas that comes up from the bottom every 6 hours and lasts for 10 minutes and does % max hp damage 😎

Drive everyone out of the cave heh

[stray elm]

YES!

Basically, just have a system to make caves permanently unlivable.

And for all my SP/Unofficial server bois out there.
Have an option to make specific caves livable.

[tropic crag]

They hid their involvement at the Xbox showcase... jus sayin...

[tropic crag]

^^^ Just saw this lol

Apologies for re-hashing it

[cold fable]

Ark 2 is DOOMED to fail cause gm's do nothing vs hackers, it isn't even worth buying

[stray elm]

[untold ingot]

I like the idea of poison gas in Caves, could implement it with co2 poisoning, like have too many dinos in the cave and lose all the oxygen

[blissful perch]

Which is fine lol. I’m not saying everyone who speculated is wrong I’m saying why bother when it’ll come out and we’ll all see it lol

[blissful perch]

I mean swamp cave worked like this, but I kinda like hazards in the caves or rolling hazards rather than “slap a gas mask on”

[stray elm]

Right.
So make them actually deadly.

[blissful perch]

I mean swamp gas is insanely deadly lol

But I don’t like it quite as much if you just “set and forgot” the hazard gear. It’s why I liked the submerged caves where you had to put on the scuba for a section and take it off rather than just slap on the mask or scuba tank and forget about it

[untold ingot]

Caves like swamp cave should have negative effects on dinos too though

But even then, it wouldn't stop people if there is a way to counter it. I have had permanent bases in the radiation zone

[lavish rain]

C4 traps inside cave

[lavish rain]

How and why

Why do you have a rad base

[tropic crag]

Easily and because no one likes to raid out there since it's hard af, for PvP that is

[untold ingot]

Because it was pretty rad lol

[tropic crag]

Rad bases are... Rad

He gets it 🤣

[tropic crag]

There is some merit to this idea though, I think. If nothing else, it could be a reason/way to prohibit tames in caves, which would make them more enjoyable imo

[untold ingot]

I had a crazy good rathole until vindactur gave it away to everyone

[lavish rain]

More caves life rag labyrinth, but there is nothing required for game progression. I want to see the world burn

[tropic crag]

🤮

Hated that cave, no offense to the creators

Too buggy, sometimes just die at random, bosses don't spawn at the end, all around kind of a stinker of a cave imo

[lavish rain]

Insta kill traps should be more common in caves

I say even the open world

[tropic crag]

Nah, those are dumb af

[lavish rain]

Yah, make the world suffer

[tropic crag]

Instant death to something you usually can't see is dumb

[lavish rain]

Thirs person only means they won't be able to see in tight spaces

Ultimate troll

Make sure to spam pressure plates and impossible (going in blind) puzzles

[tropic crag]

Not really, if it's done well, like all the games that have forced third and do it right. It's certainly not a saturated market, but they exist

[lavish rain]

Seriously thought what about landmine traps

Or bear traps

[lavish rain]

I bet 5,000$USD that ark2 will still succeed

[lavish rain]

Cantex 1000000 aratai vs 250 tek turrets deathwall

[untold ingot]

I don't want to see turrets though

[blissful perch]

insta kills work when death is not penalized

[past wind]

I bet the new defense system will be based on NPCs using weapons.

Based on the info we have so far, Ark 2 will be based on primitive combat, and the only way to have automatic defense is using NPCs.

Also, Atlas is probably used as a benchmark for this system

Atlas has a primitive combat system

[onyx lily]

So in ark 2 we throe everything from ark 1 down the garbage disposal?

[stray elm]

Why's that?

[onyx lily]

Bc everything is ganna chsnge

All primitive

News ways to tame

News dinos

Hell character customization ganna be different

[wispy sierra]

hopefully we throw the coding from ark 1 down the garbage

[onyx lily]

Nah ark 1 is a shitpost u dont get rid of it

[stray elm]

I want to get rid of it....

[ripe cedar]

So you just want more ark 1 dlc forever

[stray elm]

-Blame the people who begged for a primtive-only game.
-New ways of taming is a bonus.
-New creatures is a bonus
-We don't know the character customization.
So....what's the issue?

[onyx lily]

Idk

[wispy sierra]

i mean, yes, new game, new stuff. who would've guessed.

[onyx lily]

I just wont enjoy ark 2 as much

[fiery wedge]

Yeah but ark 2 is a completely different genre from the first game

[wispy sierra]

how do you know though?

[onyx lily]

Bc

Now stop pinging me ffs

[ripe cedar]

Is it?

[wispy sierra]

in the most basic sense it's still an open world survival crafting PVP/PVE game

[wispy sierra]

no

[fiery wedge]

Read the pins 😅

[fiery wedge]

And almost everything else will be mostly if not completely different

[wispy sierra]

the gameplay will probably still be about taming dinos, but yeah most other stuff is gonna fundementally change

[mighty lion]

I'm so used to building towers, I cant imagine having no turrets at all

[mighty lion]

Online survival PVP?

[fiery wedge]

The pvp and survival will both be completely different...

[blissful perch]

The genre is quite literally identical. The gameplay though will probably feel radically different

[wanton pike]

Give us a solid reason

[blissful perch]

Why? Let him have his shitpost lol

This chat isn’t the “white knight for ark 2” chat, you can dislike something based on personal opinion. If he was persistent or annoying that’s one thing but he just spoke his opinion and left…which is pretty fine lol

[wanton pike]

Was just having a lil banter. Talking about white knights 😝

[lavish rain]

Black knights

[blissful perch]

I’m trying to avoid a pointless conversation that I’ve seen a hundred times 😂

[wanton pike]

Wouldn’t have been to long though

Who thinks all the ark1 creatures could somehow make a return to ark2 in the future?

[blissful perch]

I don’t

[grand lynx]

Maybe a couple with new models, but can't see them making a whole new world with new mechanics and then dumping same old dinos in

[blissful perch]

They wouldn’t be the same regardless: look at the rex and even the dodo

Imo the reality is that you can’t chuck ark 1’s entire roster into ark 2 on launch if they’re gonna be as markedly different as we’ve seen. Maybe slow releases over time

[split dove]

they could add new creatures to ark 2 early acces launch like how they released dinos during ark 1's early access period

[blissful perch]

For sure. Although longer dev times for new creatures like we saw post genesis definitely lead to better results

I’d prefer semi annual content releases for a few well made creatures over the much quicker releases of creatures that wound up not delivering the same quality

[split dove]

i'd also prefer quality over quantity so it's not like how ark 1 early access went down

[blissful perch]

I was about to say lol

[plush sedge]

Should be godly

[lavish sparrow]

Will ark 2 have RTX

[past wind]

Ark 1 was supposed to get dlss 😂

[lavish sparrow]

haha no way

[past wind]

I remember NVIDIA put Ark on their list when the RTX 2000 series was released

[lavish sparrow]

pretty sure DLSS just isnt possible on ark 1

[past wind]

Let me look for it

[lavish sparrow]

Ark 1 would look amazing with RTX

SSR sucks

[blissful perch]

Ark 2 will look great on UE5

Ark 1 will just fry your computer harder than it already does at a certain graphical point lol

[lavish sparrow]

no ark 1 is just so badly optimized

the only reason it looks good is the SSAO

legit looks like a pre 2010 game without it

[blissful perch]

Factually accurate

[lavish sparrow]

Also the maps are rushed

[past wind]

I think I can’t send links here

[lavish sparrow]

Literally found a spot on gen2 where you can literally just tek suit into the mesh it sucks

[past wind]

But I found it, can I send you by dm?

[lavish sparrow]

sure

[blissful perch]

Every map was rushed, can’t deny that. But that’s partly our fault for badgering them endlessly to release trailers and content

@split dove you joining the steam ark 2 squad for our boss rush before ark 2?

[split dove]

Hell yeah brother

[blissful perch]

We should make a chat for that lol

[south lance]

👀

[past wind]

Guilty as charged. I would get ark 2 right now with all its bugs 😂

[split dove]

we probably should 😅

[blissful perch]

You want in? I’m down to add ya

It’s legal LFG because we’re the ark 2 chat gang

[past wind]

Any chance to see anything about ark 2 at Gamescon this month? Does anyone know if Wildcard will be attending?

[stray elm]

PAX West, not Gamescon.
That's my bad

[south lance]

sure ye

[stray elm]

And yeah, it's already confirmed they have a booth in PAX-West that's for Switch stuff.

[tulip mural]

Hello

[past wind]

What about gamescon? Are they attending (Wildcard)?

[stray elm]

Nothing confirmed.
I accidently said "Gamescon" instead of "PAX"

[mortal hinge]

if u had to place wyvern in the evolutionary tree of life, where would it go

[blissful perch]

wyverns and dragons being fiction means that their taxonomy would have to be invented. European wyverns and dragons are clearly reptiles, but nobody really ever explored to my knowledge their evolutionary history

[untold ingot]

It's going to be a thing?

[blissful perch]

for sure, maybe we can start during the final winter fest

[untold ingot]

Awesome

On official?

[blissful perch]

We’ll prolly decide as we get closer. If we do official we definitely need someone to offer lines lol

[dense ridge]

I would really love it if things can be so customizable we can have region specific weapons and armor because of the types of hide and bones you get from the local tames. I've always wanted to make something out of these spino sails and stuff besides just sacrifices to the boss

[stray elm]

You can do all ARK bosses without mutations. So major lines aren't needed.

Bosses become a lot more easier the more player-controlled tames there are, also.

[untold ingot]

Even alpha gen1?

[stray elm]

Yep.

Alpha Gen1 doesn't really make much of a difference, other then the Master-Controller having more health.
The minions all have the same stats throughout each difficulty.

[untold ingot]

Well there are all the missions too

[stray elm]

You can cheese them.

Most brute creatures can be killed with a few people sitting on a cliff with a tek-pistol.

[untold ingot]

I feel like that defeats the purpose of doing a story rush though lol

[stray elm]

Well, it's a story-'rush'
Not a story-'legit'

[untold ingot]

Hmm

I want to do it legit though

[blissful perch]

I was thinking we go from one map to the next in order as a tribe, only keeping boss tames between maps. But we can cheese it too lol

[stray elm]

Then you shall suffer

Even on a 8X boosted server. Alpha escort missions are basically impossible without cheesing.

[blissful perch]

We certainly won’t have time to get capped weapons

[stray elm]

Like, you can do the tek-cave and the overseer with a Archy, tek-chetpack, and a shotgun.
Never new that till i did it with a friend.

[blissful perch]

I’d have to look into what we could manage in a month or two

Especially where likely the bulk of that time we won’t be online at the same time. I know I won’t be able to play 7 days a week lol

[stray elm]

Ummmm.
It depends how much people y'all get. But with me and my friends (which was like a 4-5 man group) it took us i believe like 2 months to get off of The Island.

[blissful perch]

@untold ingot settle for beta or ask for gifts 😂

[stray elm]

Cause a lot of the older maps are pure RNG based with how lucky you are to find stuff like alpha squids, or an alpha basilisk, etc..

[untold ingot]

Hmm, alternatively we could host a slightly boosted unofficial

[stray elm]

We could.
But we're still in mercy of RNGesus

[blissful perch]

I do have a private server rn. I could host each map one at a time

[stray elm]

I just might not be able to join y'all, since my FUCKING pc is still having issues.

[blissful perch]

We aren’t starting until December so you have time. We should aim to finalize the group and plans in November lol

[stray elm]

This issue has been an ass for like two months now......
I don't think it's getting any better.....

[blissful perch]

Well you gotta get it fixed by then because what about a surprise ark 2 release Jan 1 2023?

[stray elm]

Then i'll get it on gamepass on my xbox.

And this isn't a simple fix.
I can't fully figure out the issue.
And at this point, i should just buy a new PC, but that's an issue cause....well....
"I can't afford a new gaming pc right now"

[blissful perch]

Sell the old for the new 🧠

[stray elm]

Ah yes, sell the shitty PC that's having issues for more money then it's worth to get a new PC

[untold ingot]

What sort of issues is it having?

[stray elm]

The disk-drives keep capping at 100% and slowing down the processing power of my PC.

[untold ingot]

Oh, right, I remember now

[stray elm]

But i don't think it's the disks fault anymore. Since it's still doing it on a brand new SSD

Trying to figure out if there's a way to tell if a core in a CPU is damaged.

[untold ingot]

It's windows 10 right?

[stray elm]

Yep

[untold ingot]

Hmm, I have a program that checks the cpu, but I forget what it is called, and can't find it yet jaja

[stray elm]

Wonder if i fried something on accident, due to me running the dev-kit and ARK for hours upon hours.

[lunar finch]

mfw no ARK 2 discussion in the ARK 3 chat

ARK 3...

[stray elm]

Mind telling it to me when you have?

[untold ingot]

Yeah I can see

We could take this to dms though

[short fulcrum]

It's been confirmed that in ark 3 you'll play as bob in a story campaign where the alpha tribe has kidnapped your beloved dodo friend

[hollow halo]

[tawdry temple]

Is ark 2 confirmed to come to ps4/ps5 at some point? Im guessing its gonna be on xbox first for like a year again 😕

[stray elm]

Not confirmed, but speculated.
Since it's coming out in Early-Access. Sony only allows games to stay on their platform for 2 years.

[tawdry temple]

Okay thanks

[fallen fiber]

ive said this before but i think that circular structures could be cool because then we can make some even better looking things

[manic sparrow]

Is it confirmed to have cryopods atleas

[grand lynx]

Hopefully it doesn't

[untold totem]

I hope it does... For server and memory sake

Also the freedom to steal DLC tames without paying

[blissful perch]

I’m gonna go ahead and say that stealing DLC tames doesn’t matter as long as you can’t bring them to free maps. The illusion that players need that is strong but there’s ways around it

And ofc WC has no obligation to offer free DLC creatures in the first place through any method, stealing/trading or otherwise, especially on release (which is how ark 1 works for all DLC creatures). It’s a deeply insufficient argument for cryopods to retain their irritating pokeball mechanic

[lime flicker]

We need to start a movement to destroy the alpha tribes, someone create a community mega tribe so we can start preparing for war 🌚

[grand lynx]

Touché, fair point

[blissful perch]

@minor prism I’ve been waiting for you to say something lol

[minor prism]

😂 I was guna an thought yano wa let me wined my neck in for a change 😂😂😂

[untold totem]

There is a reason I hate Ab, you can't bring your favorite tame because "restrictions"

[blissful perch]

It’s the primary reason I love Ab so much

The experience is tailored to what’s available there. Best part of a survival game is making use of what’s around you and adapting, and I love that Ab is built as a standalone experience

[untold totem]

I thought they canned the whole "survival" thing for ARK 2 in favor of story sandbox?

[blissful perch]

The game is literally a multiplayer PvP survival sandbox on the steam listing isn’t it?

[grand lynx]

Maybe separate game modes

Everyone is happy then

[blissful perch]

My hunch is it’ll be very similar to genesis missions

[grand lynx]

I'd like that, as long as there's a lot more of a challange

[untold totem]

Tags can also be user generated I believe

[blissful perch]

They can be user generated, but these were in the description written by WC

[blissful perch]

I’m down for missions to do many things for us: give us loot, unique tames maybe, story, challenges, unlocks…there’s tons of potential we could explore

[grand lynx]

Yeah, maybe exclusive materials for the custom crafting we will have. I'd like them to utilise the weather and seasons as well, have resources that are unobtainable during certain periods. Would add a lot more depth to how we farm and what not

Maybe a base spot that is op in the summer say has a massive disadvantage in the winter

[blissful perch]

I think having certain biomes like that is ok, but having it everywhere would be painfully annoying

Waiting around for a season is ok if it’s in some areas or regions but across the map it’s just boring to wait

[minor prism]

@blissful perch yano wa bro I do have something to say about ark 2, make the ob space timer longer for ark 2 fed up of losing shit after 24hr 😂👊

[grand lynx]

Yeah it would need some heavy tweeking to be viable.

[minor prism]

I need more than 24hr just to remember I put it in ther man 😂 fat rip for me

[grand lynx]

Losing a upload is pain

[blissful perch]

But I do like the exclusive materials thing. Stuff unique to missions would be cool, and stuff unique to specific hazardous areas would also be super cool

[minor prism]

It actually is bro ngl an I do it way to often to lmao

[grand lynx]

Yeah, more risk/reward would be nice. Problem with ark is after a few thousand hours it's hard to not speed run everything

[blissful perch]

Nothing that can be done about that tbh. Older games where people dump tons of hours in are gonna have the issue where you can kinda “optimize” and “speed” through stuff

Although ez sad speed runs like notes and stuff could obviously be removed lol

[grand lynx]

Yeah, the og grind gave you a reason to log on everyday, actual utilise all the games mechanics

But knowledge is a gift and a curse

What's your thoughts on annual wipes for pvp servers?

In terms of bloated dino stats, op blueprints etc?

[blissful perch]

I’m strongly for it, but agree with the issues people bring up about wipes

[blissful perch]

These can be addressed imo without wipes and should be addressed before considering wipes

[split dove]

imo the blueprints should be removed and replaced with the component based crafting system

[blissful perch]

Blueprints are fine, but the “capped” BP stuff imo isn’t the greatest

But you need RNG loot in an RPG experience, which ark 2 will likely be to some degree. It forces people to log hours lol

[grand lynx]

I'm glad I'm not a dev, figuring this stuff out must be such a headache

Balancing a sandbox pvp/pve

[blissful perch]

It’s hard work, and why I like to brainstorm solutions here

[grand lynx]

It's not a bad thing to do, they defo watch this chat for sure, seeing what people are hoping for

[blissful perch]

I usually try to steer this chat towards something worth reading for the devs

(Not always lol, I’m human)

[grand lynx]

Just excited for November, hopefully we see some gameplay

[blissful perch]

One thing I’ve never really felt like I got a satisfying solution thought up for was BPs

Like…how do we keep that sense of loot and loot progression without keeping the same ark 1 system? Obviously requiring more rare materials instead of 100k hide is a start, but I feel like it can be improved further

[split dove]

They could intergrate it into the new crafting system

[blissful perch]

Right but how do you log the hours?

[grand lynx]

Yeah, was gonna say maybe a talent tree system of a sort, then maybe special tasks to enhance

[split dove]

that's the hardest part to fix

[blissful perch]

Yep, and that’s where I’m a bit stumped

[grand lynx]

Go nuts with it like path of exile, give it some diversity

[split dove]

there is gonna be a skill tree with active perks and bonuses, soooo

[grand lynx]

Nice

[blissful perch]

I guess you could have crafting itself offer crafting skill, so you have to make tons of stuff to get those improvements. But I’m not sure that’s enough

Making 200 flak helmets looking for the optimal one I guess is better than staring at falling beacons tho

[fiery wedge]

Mutations 😊

[blissful perch]

For BPs. Mutations can go die

Or monthly wipes for you 😎

[grand lynx]

Breed timer on males

[blissful perch]

Mating timers are cancer

[fiery wedge]

Oh hell naw

[grand lynx]

And lock to one female only

No more filthy stats after few months

[blissful perch]

Doesn’t solve the problem of mutations but I do think this is a good idea in general to limit silly large breeding setups

[grand lynx]

Be a lot healthier for servers

[blissful perch]

The issue is the filthy stats tho lol, and that just needs to go full stop. No amount of time should lead to that

[grand lynx]

Yeah, the cap should be halved at least

Just so extra atm

[fiery wedge]

They could just nerf how effective it is so it's more fair for those who haven't bred stuff

[blissful perch]

I mean 20/20 mutations would also work as a quick fix, so yes

[grand lynx]

Should always be a incentive for breeding though, encourages newer players to progress

[blissful perch]

Imprints and stat consolidating are already very strong incentives

[split dove]

and actually have a limit set in place so it can't go above the 20/20 🤦‍♂️

[fiery wedge]

20/20 is so little lol

[grand lynx]

Better than being one shot by something moving twice as fast as you

[fiery wedge]

Only thing that one shots you is a giga lol

Your fault for being on foot

[grand lynx]

True, but you get my point

[blissful perch]

Capped flak is dumb, capped tames are dumb. That’s about that

[fiery wedge]

Why is capped flak dumb?

[blissful perch]

20/20 is already a massive boost to an ark 1 tame compared to fresh

Capped flak is dumb because the dura, protection, and overall general value is so high it invalidates all other armor and almost all PvE in the game?

We have a fundamental disagreement about the role of PvE in the PvP space tho. I want PvP to be pvpve and it seems you do not lol

[fiery wedge]

Tek is still better. And it's a pvp game with a PvE side mode

[blissful perch]

Could be true of ark 1, but that’s not my vision for ark 2, nor my hope

[exotic flume]

I'm certain that's how the devs envisioned it, before things got out of hand

[blissful perch]

I can’t speak for WC, but it’s clear they spent a ton of time developing a solid PvE experience

I can’t say to what end that was done

[fiery wedge]

Nah, I said mutations as a joke cause ik you don't like em 😂. I'm just stating facts for everything else lol

[exotic flume]

They have, but it is still a bit of a mix. PvP has gone a little bonkers since launch though lol

[grand lynx]

Pvp is fun but boring at this point

[blissful perch]

I mean the community on pc certainly is fairly split in how they play. Official PvP seems to be doing much better than official PvE but TONS of folks play unofficial PvE and SP for mods or other reasons

[exotic flume]

I kinda hope they don't have PvP specific and PvE specific servers in Ark 2. Could be interesting

[grand lynx]

Just all pvp

[fiery wedge]

Bro this discord would be funny as shit to read through on launch 😂

[exotic flume]

Absolutely. Official PvE is basically official PvP at this point though, except you get the game to do your own dirty work

[blissful perch]

You mean you’d prefer PvP and PvE zones on the same maps? That’s a tough sell for a game with building like ark

[grand lynx]

Would get toxic fast

[blissful perch]

It works for MMOs reasonably well but for games with building I’m giving it an oof/10 rating

[grand lynx]

Too many people who play to grief only lol

[fiery wedge]

Couldn't even do that when everyone lives in a PvE bubble lol

[exotic flume]

If I could have exactly what I wanted (impossible though), it would be PvP allowed everywhere and no PvE servers, forcing PvE players into PvP environments. There would be friendlt people around that you can meet, but every encounter would be a little scary, because people can still kill you. In other words, an overhanging PvP threat but in a mostly PvE game

[blissful perch]

Sea of thieves with dinosaurs would be the optimal form of that model to me

[grand lynx]

[exotic flume]

Arks biggest problem if you ask me. It has completely shaped the PvP meta

[blissful perch]

NO building, very little world permanence

Since ark and ark 2 won’t be that however, such a dream isn’t gonna become reality

[exotic flume]

Yeah! Or the late World's Adrift, if you've heard of that

[fiery wedge]

Sea of thieves is so boring after a day or two every update

[blissful perch]

You play sea of thieves to have adventures and mess around. You don’t play it like you play ark

[fiery wedge]

I know

[grand lynx]

Too easy with nets and tek bows lol, I thought 500 melee and a club and Bolas was bad enough

[fiery wedge]

When the adventures are almost all unremarkable and you've already done everything to mess around when the game first launched there's not very many reason to play the game

[blissful perch]

Ark could learn from SoT though, there’s too much world permanence and progression such that it forces people to overcommit hard to their easily lost possessions and bases

[blissful perch]

I play rarely with friends and we just have fun doing stuff. It’s not about anything specific usually, we just like hanging out playing SoT

[fiery wedge]

Eh, that stuff gets boring for me after a few hours.

[blissful perch]

Makes sense if you enjoy ark official PvP. The overlap in appeal is minimal

[fiery wedge]

Only time I'm not bored is when I see a ship somewhere and we try and kill them

[exotic flume]

Sea of Thieves wasn't too appealing to me either, I think it's the gameplay loop and tremendous lack of dinosaurs that got it uninstalled ;)

[blissful perch]

I feel like you’d enjoy competitive fps games or league lol, but I’m gonna suspect I’ll be told you hate both

[fiery wedge]

League 🤢

I like fighting games and survival pvp games

[exotic flume]

Have you tried Last Oasis?

[fiery wedge]

And some adventure stuff here and there

[fiery wedge]

No

[fallow niche]

?

[exotic flume]

Sorry lol

[blissful perch]

Trying to work out the appeal gap between ark 2 and SoT

I do think if ark 2 went that route it would work super well. But there would need to be a separate more permanent mode available

[fiery wedge]

The route of no building and just doing missions as teams?

[fallow niche]

Gentle reminder to veer back when you go off track is all

[blissful perch]

You’d need a total retool of features ofc. Less focus on gathering mats, taming is short but lost on tribe log off, no building, and many other changes to the fundamentals. But then you could have the full map be open like SoT for session based gameplay

[exotic flume]

That'd take out the Survival Evolved part though. Luckily, Ark 2 is only Ark!

[blissful perch]

Tribes would be formed like SoT as parties of let’s say 1-5 people and would disband once they all log off

It could still be a survival game requiring food and water 🤷‍♂️. But the rpg aspects would need to be scaled back or removed for sure

[fiery wedge]

Yeah I don't see how that'd work on ark 2

[blissful perch]

It would work, but it’s not what WC has stated they’re going for 🤷‍♂️

[jolly mirage]

Is there sliding on ark 2

[blissful perch]

Read pins, I think that may be mentioned

[jolly mirage]

If so I can think of a lot of base ideas for pvp

[exotic flume]

Ark is a survival game about gathering rescources and battling fearsome creatures though, if you don't have that in the sequel I think a large amount of players won't be very interested

[fiery wedge]

^

[blissful perch]

You can easily have both without needing massive stockpiles and endless grinding like ark 1

However people who play tons of ark like grinding and stockpiling their things like crazy. That’s gonna create tension for sure

[exotic flume]

Low doors you have to slide into with wooden turrets on the inside (gotta stay primitive of course)

[jolly mirage]

That’s one of the ideas

[exotic flume]

I'm the grinding guy lol, so Sea of Thieves small adventures weren't that interesting. Funnily enough though, I really only enjoy grinding in Ark, not in other games

[jolly mirage]

Sea of thieves is fun but it’s gets boreing after the same thing has been done 1000s of times

[blissful perch]

I tolerated grinding more when I was unemployed. Now that I’m not I only have enough to make ark feel like I’m doing something and not cheating lol. Takes way too long otherwise

[exotic flume]

I have the same problem lol. Been on holidays now so I've had time to play lots of Fjördur, but the game wasn't that appealing when I didn't have time. Issue is, I've played Ark for so long that it is difficult to pick up anything else. Really hope I'll enjoy the sequel enough to play it over Ark 1 lol

[blissful perch]

Ark is the only game in its genre I remotely consider. Thankfully I’ve picked up many games before and after ark 1 so I’ll be safe even if ark 2 eats it lol

[exotic flume]

I might just have to quit gaming all together if Ark 2 flops

Cmon WildCard, you've got my PC's life on the line. Do a bad job and it goes out the window

[wispy sierra]

what do you mean you don't have the time to grind resources 8 hours every day? outrageous

[exotic flume]

I'm kidding, of course. There are a few titles that were still fun to play, especially games like Breath of the Wild (and recently Ori), but it's difficult to find much else

[fiery wedge]

Stryder?

[wispy sierra]

exagerration

[split dove]

how dare you have a life? impossible

[blissful perch]

I’ve actually slowly come to dislike open world games like BoW. Never finished BoW or Pokémon arceus because I just got bored running around

[exotic flume]

I do hope Ark 2 has a glow up like Ark 1 has had. Constant updates until the game becomes something completely different, yet still fun to play

[wispy sierra]

open world only works when your world has enough stuff

the new open world sonic game looks like a barren wasteland

[exotic flume]

I had to take breaks, got bored of it too. But it always felt great to return after a few weeks or so

[fiery wedge]

Too many open game world games now just make a big open world of nothing remarkable, just space to fill up an area until something important.

[wispy sierra]

true.

here, have this empty plane with an enemy or collectible every 15 miles you walk

[blissful perch]

Or the difficulty is all the same because “you can go anywhere”

[fiery wedge]

Eso lol

[blissful perch]

I’m seriously hoping ark 2 does NOT do that

Make some areas extra difficult pls lol

[blissful perch]

What I dislike about the open world genre is that it’s not clear when you should advance or where

[fiery wedge]

Skyrim?

[blissful perch]

When I want to advance in a game I want it laid out to me: you should have cleared XYZ before facing enemy A

Monster hunter does this: you can’t fight nerg without beating the story missions prior: the game has told me I’m “ready” with what I’ve cleared

[wispy sierra]

it works for games where the objective is to explore like Subnautica, but even there it gets confusing

[fiery wedge]

Subnautica is pretty obvious what you have to do

[wispy sierra]

but you can try and fight anjanath in an expedition after hunting kulu ya ku

[blissful perch]

Subnautica tries to direct you via the old PDA files. EA subnautica tho? Totally directionless lol

[wispy sierra]

ew reading

[blissful perch]

Right, and you’ll get your ass beat. And the game doesn’t tell you you’re ready yet so that makes sense

[fiery wedge]

You mean with the giant explosion and massive gun on an island?

[blissful perch]

That’s “new” tho: original Ea had none of that

[fiery wedge]

I've seen a rajang in one of my friends investigations when he was on blackveil vaal in the story

I was like wtf

It wasn't the target but was just roaming

[blissful perch]

Yep, that’s imo reasonable as long as it isn’t the target

Ark’s leveling up system used to (before notes) serve as a sort of guideline for what level you should do stuff. Fur being in the 40-50 range meant the cold wasn’t for newbies, rex saddles being level 70s or so meant you should aim for taming something smaller first…but then notes shat on that giving you 100 levels on the beach lol

[fiery wedge]

Everything got faster and easier, rates increased across the board and better tools for farming, maewings, etc.

[blissful perch]

That’s a good thing for everything but exp

[void carbon]

they should add an ice part in a map on ark 2 and have seals bouncing up and down on the ice and penguins swimming around and maybe some walruses that you can get tusks from as a replacement for chitin and keratin

[blissful perch]

Why would they have modern walrus and seals in ark? I like the snow map idea

Also…tusks = keratin lol

[fiery wedge]

Eh, I mean. Even if there wasn't notes it'd just keep new players down because people who know other people can just go to an xp party or just be given a few xp gigas to start

[blissful perch]

I’d remove granting exp on baby kill too but that’s just me I guess lol

Obviously yes there are ways to fast track. But note runs are themselves not available to new players because they don’t know how to do them or don’t know they exist

Then again, people who fast track tend to also not need the level system as a guide on what to do

[fiery wedge]

Most new players will just stumble across them yeah. Just because you can be a sweaty bastard it doesn't mean a system is flawed completely.

[blissful perch]

Hard agree, although ark lends itself to sweats so they need to be considered even if not fully tailored to

[mossy ember]

I think if they were to add a walrus it would be a moschops skin & if moschops would even be in ark 2

[ripe cedar]

Walrus and moschcops seem pretty different lol

[steel sluice]

double xp on baby kill

[blissful perch]

That’s because they are lmao

I’d love to see Gorgonopsia of some sort in ark 2. Seriously underrepresented and super cool

[lime forge]

More giant bugs!

[lavish rain]

Waluigi

Nintendo dosent want him so

[split dove]

waluigi will be the key to understanding the story of ark 2

[mighty lion]

I think Xp boosting craftables is the way to go. I've caused so prim xbox tribemates to crash with xp parties during events

[blissful perch]

Walk me through this. Would a drink that gives you 1000exp be an example?

[blissful perch]

Giant ant/termite (or an alien hive animal) biomes would be the coolest shit

[tropic crag]

I don't, I think that it would just make it harder for new players as the bigger and older tribes would have access to the mats and possibly lock them down too, as we've seen in the past with locking down notes

[mighty lion]

I'm mean you can lock down anything. Notes have a flaw in that for new players who dont know the value of xp can lose out on the boost by hunting for lore. When I first started, I probably hit 10 notes and did nothing with them.

[mighty lion]

Like a time locked drink similar to mindwipe that boost experience for certain tasks

[blissful perch]

I could see this, but tbh I’d say we don’t really need that system much at all

I think the exp gain for notes was to incentivize people to read the lore in ark 1. In ark 2 if that’s rolled into missions where the incentive structure is knowledge points or other progress the exp gain isn’t required anymore

[mighty lion]

I can see that, though I'm unsure of they'll go away from character points completely. Alot of skill tree games uses them on conjunction with one another

[untold ingot]

I feel like craftable xp potions are a bad idea. A big tribe would be able to craft a lot and easily reach level cap, while solos would still struggle. It would just generate an even more unleveled playing field lol

It would reduce leveling even more to staying in base crafting

[ripe marsh]

I agree but as a debug item it'd be kinda cool

[tropic crag]

I mean, we'll have mods, even on console. No reason someone couldn't make an xp potion there I guess

[untold ingot]

There are xp potion mods, and if people want to use those, great. It's a really bad idea for official though

[ripe cedar]

Theres a give xp command

[hushed barn]

how do you even install mods on console?

[stray elm]

For games like Fallout 4/Skyrim. There's a whole section that have ported downloadable mods to console.

[hushed barn]

ok

I need to change my tag to PC since I built a new one...

[stray elm]

Though, it seems like the software they're using is a bit different.
I believe how it'll work, is that the menu/installer for PC mods are gonna be connected to the console retail versions.

[blissful perch]

They may not, but they certainly don’t need “exp crutches” like ark 1. They appear to have been added as an incentive but they don’t need to serve that role in ark 2 since it looks like lore/missions are now more integrated into normal progression

I’d prefer if leveling up let you improve skills, perhaps some skills offer stats…but brute stat leveling imo is super barebones

[untold ingot]

I can't disagree with that, I can't think of any other game that does it that way

I am keeping my fingers crossed for a pillar spam fix on pve, because I might not even return to pvp when it releases

[blissful perch]

There’s a few others that do it as a low cost/effort incentive

It’s a common EA game thing where the systems are less fleshed out so numbers are used rather than mechanics to get people to do things

[untold ingot]

I guess so

I just don't want to see numbers lol

[blissful perch]

Me neither, not sure if my stance on mutations made that obvious lol

[untold ingot]

Lol

[mighty lion]

Considering we already hold mass xp parties during events by slaughtering hundreds of giga babies. I'm not so sure a time limited xp item would be game breaking.

How do you guys feel about the chibi levels?

[untold ingot]

I mean, you can't block every method of gaining xp in a base, but the ability to make xp potions really wouldn't be good

[mighty lion]

I mean your reasoning doesnt account for the time restraint aspect. With ark 1s leveling system, we can easily boost someone to lvl 100 in a day, without xp boosts, so I dont really see how it would be super exploitive. Especially if it's only a small boost.

[untold ingot]

Well, for starters it doesn't add anything new or interesting into the game. The only value to it is a slight xp boost from drinking a potion, which makes no sense. In order for it to be workable it would need a huge timer so that it isn't exploitative. And at that point you may as well kill rexes in your base

[mighty lion]

2x is considered a small boost. It would eliminate tracking down notes, which have always felt out of place... the sudden rush to kill things when you accidently step on one. Plus it would benefit players who have been dedicated to the game and want to get a boost over there playthrough.

[untold ingot]

I think ark2 is gearing towards more of a necessity to be out in the world to level and get engrams, I would be surprised if they do much that would get rid of that aspect of play

[past wind]

I think it will work like Ark 1 in 2015. It was really hard to level up. Eventually in Ark 2 will be easier to gain levels.

[untold ingot]

Perhaps, I doubt that exp potions will be the way they do that

[south lance]

a mechanically interesting engram system would be cool

knowledge points gained via " accomplishing key objectives and overcoming unique challenges" is probably gonna be that cool system

as for exp i hope its nothing like ark1

this potion would be fine as long as both knowledge points and player stats arent tied to experience or at least experience doesnt change too much of what your character can do in most gameplay

but the latter would imply experience points are useless unless theres other game mechanics that are way different to support its relevancy

[lunar citrus]

Ark 2's engrams seem to work more like a skill tree from what i've read

I'm not sure how much game knowledge from ark 1 will transfer to 2, honestly. From what little bits of information we have gotten so far it seems like it'd be an entirely different game just... all around. Melee focus, "soulslike combat", locked to third person, etc

[untold ingot]

They don't really work like a skill tree, they are a craftables menu

[south lance]

i am like 80% confident the soulslike combat claim is just to exaggerate how skill based melee combat will be

[untold ingot]

Well that is one part I am looking forward to

[lunar citrus]

I mean i'm not expecting to go in to full in-depth combo trees or anything, especially because there's going to be rideable creatures

[stray elm]

It is.
Conan has souls-like combat.

[south lance]

thats a point for its reduced relevancy

[untold ingot]

You can hope for it

[lunar citrus]

But the focus does seem to be different from the first game

[south lance]

i dont really know what conan is like

[stray elm]

Youtube

[south lance]

it had its moment in the sun for like 2 days or something

[lunar citrus]

(Personally i think the more melee/primitive focus is going to be the wrong play)

[south lance]

then back to battle royale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lunar citrus]

(My favorite aspect of ark is advancing from tree punching to sci fi tech)

[stray elm]

We can only hope that this is still true via DLC's

[south lance]

it probably will honestly

i think people are going to eventually miss being able to tek across the map

so by 2028 we will see tek again

at the latest

[lunar citrus]

I like how i can post a screenshot of preparing to battle titans on extinction or whatever weird monster i've tamed in genesis and people in my orbit who don't play ark go "o: That's ark?"

[south lance]

it works wonderfully when progression to end game isnt a life or death goal

[untold ingot]

I won't miss tek at all lol

[lavish rain]

You will edventually

[blissful perch]

I intentionally don’t use tek as much as possible because I find it dull so there’s that lol

[blissful perch]

I think your reasoning is totally legit IF they keep easy mass leveling mechanics like slaughtering giga babies. But if they cut those methods out I think it’s much more plausible to have “no” quick farms of that nature. Although obviously there’s going to be a “best” exp farming method that folks will use, ideally no single task grants a buttload of levels and skips the system. Knowledge points may also be a method to gate progression a bit more strictly and require gameplay rather than the pure exp to progress

[lavish rain]

This clashes with your most recent comment

[lavish rain]

Now that's just an obvious way to spark a brawl with me

[fallen fiber]

new taming method for dodo

[untold ingot]

Yes, flame arrows to tame dodo

[blissful perch]

it does?

[blissful perch]

well it's true...I only used tek on genesis 2 when i was forced to use it...and a couple times prior because I had no clue what it did. Otherwise I just found it boring and balance breaking so I put it away

[lavish rain]

Not the tek cment

The giga kill comment

[lavish rain]

The giga kill comment

[blissful perch]

right but what about the giga kill comment clashes with something else?

I'm saying that ideally it doesn't exist

but that regardless of it being removed or not there will be a "best" exp farming method

[lavish rain]

Ok but should there be a way to mass level

[blissful perch]

imo? No

that doesn't mean there won't be a "best way to level" that people will use to go 'faster than intended'. That's pretty much unavoidable in an RPG

[lavish rain]

Tek pod ftw

[lavish rain]

Bro if in level 150 and I want to get to 190 where the only thing I really unlock is the hammer, I should be able to mass level

[mighty lion]

I couldnt even imagine that last grind to 190

[lavish rain]

Tek bed frw

Shifter out here saying we should be able to kill babies to power level

[mighty lion]

I'm not saying I'm against xp farming baby creatures, but an easy way to fix it is to eliminate xp from killing friendly tames. ( unclaiming them takes a while and you risk them dying)

[blissful perch]

*shouldn't

[lavish rain]

Imma smack u

[blissful perch]

but you could always gate mass leveling options behind level thresholds

[lavish rain]

Good idea

[blissful perch]

offering experience gaining methods at applicable level points to ensure the grind is more consistent is on brand for an RPG and is reasonable

but killing a baby giga is wildly cheesy lol

[lavish rain]

We do not care

[untold ingot]

Quick leveling shouldn't be a thing

[lavish rain]

Yes it should

[untold ingot]

It sucks the fun put of any sort of progression

[south lance]

Id love a system where the game was fun at all levels

From low to high

[lavish rain]

If I'm level 142, I have every single tek engram, I have all the tames I could ever want or need. I have all bosses done on alpha, and I'm running 6 different servers with a tribe, all that's left for me to do is power level to get the hammer, and your saying I shouldnt?

[south lance]

Sadly i dont think that will ever happen on something like official where you compete against people who are high level

[lavish rain]

Making xp more tedious won't make the hammer any more rewarding

[stray elm]

If you start a new character, yes.
Cause that'd defeats the purpose of making a new character and starting over.

[south lance]

Though extended early game could be amazing for things like arkpoc

[lavish rain]

Coming from an official player

If your starting a new character, is it really that hard to just not use those leveling methods?

[stray elm]

Yes.

[lavish rain]

You lack self control

[stray elm]

[blissful perch]

I mean you'll use whatever method is "best" if you play pvp remotely seriously

[stray elm]

You also call me an official player.
Last time i touched official was 3 years ago.