ark-2

[mortal kestrel]

but that would be dumb

especially since player weapons will have such diverse materials

[fiery wedge]

Killing a rex with a spear in a survival game is dumb

[mortal kestrel]

what would even be the point in making a complex weapon crafting system if it doesnt even work because "hehe dino hab thick skin"

[wintry cape]

a rex could easily choke on a spear if it went down the wrong way

might take a while to die but it would be very uncomfortable for it

[fiery wedge]

PvP? Small dinos?

[wintry cape]

will crush damage from dinos standing on you be more important? since you're meant to be all parkour and stuff

[mortal kestrel]

making an extremely complex weapon system, as well as an intricate combat system involving combos, specials, and dodges completely redundant because "dino big" is dumb

its a huge waste of time and not really fair to boot

[fiery wedge]

Would it still be dumb if you couldn't kill a boss doing it?

[mortal kestrel]

besides, it hardly matters how thick a rexes skin is if I take my steel toothpick of a pike and shove it down its throat or through the roof of its mouth and into its brain, realistically speaking

yes it would be extremely dumb if I couldnt kill a boss

the point of a boss existing is to challenge the player

[fiery wedge]

Yeah your opinion is now worthless lol

[mortal kestrel]

just keep telling yourself that

I genuinely couldnt care less

[fiery wedge]

Anime pfps bruh I stg 💀

[mortal kestrel]

your existence is the equivalent of blue light

everyone around you might be looking at you, but by doing so they are killing their own eyesight

besides, you have a default pfp so you cant talk

[fiery wedge]

Realistically speaking: you'd lose your hand lol

[mortal kestrel]

who said I'd be stabbing the spear in and not throwing it?

[wintry cape]

blue light isn't harmful?

[mortal kestrel]

shhh, technically it isnt, no

but its still a common myth that it is

and placebo can go a long way

[fiery wedge]

You? Read your own message lmao

[mortal kestrel]

my message isnt saying my hand is attached to the spear

[fiery wedge]

"shove"

This dude 😂

[mortal kestrel]

a shove is a strong push

still, doesnt mean my hand is in range to be bit

[lavish rain]

Shove

Shove deez

[mortal kestrel]

especially since realistically speaking, spears tend to be quite a bit longer than your body

[fiery wedge]

And a rex's brain isn't in its nose lmao

Just stop talking lol

[mortal kestrel]

tf does that have to do with anything?

[fiery wedge]

🤦‍♂️

[mortal kestrel]

the brain of a creature is typically between and slightly behind the eyes

an area perfectly reachable by impaling the roof of an animals mouth at an angle

and technically speaking, it would be pretty hard to impale a rex through its nose from its mouth with a spear one would think, considering the length would make it hard to thrust upward, even if the rex was frozen in place with its mouth open

[fiery wedge]

Yeah I wanna see you get to that angle in the first place lmao

[mortal kestrel]

it wouldnt be that hard

[fiery wedge]

🤣

[mortal kestrel]

you'd just have to angle the throw slightly up from the back of the mouth

certainly easier to pull off than stabbing it through the nose

[fiery wedge]

Bruh I stg I'm gonna suffocate 💀

[mortal kestrel]

you have fun with that

[still shore]

u seem annoying ngl

[blissful perch]

What am I reading

[fiery wedge]

Idk man

It's funny tho

[blissful perch]

Birdwoman correct me if I’m mistaken but you can kill an ark 1 rex with a pike with capped flak. Is that correct?

[fiery wedge]

This dude CAN'T read and it's funny af

[mortal kestrel]

apparently aiming a throw slightly up from the back of a creatures mouth is too hard

[mortal kestrel]

bruh you dont even need capped flak

[blissful perch]

You got lost in details. Let’s circle back to actual game design imo

[fiery wedge]

Yeah, and?

[still shore]

im on eves side ngl

[fiery wedge]

I never said arks melee combat was good lol

[blissful perch]

Birdwoman had a valid point here that I agree with 100%. Which is that a rex should be a major threat that you should be heavily discouraged from engaging without proper preparation

[still shore]

loll 🤣🤣

no eve is right

[blissful perch]

There’s a valid argument that certain creatures should be near impossible to kill on foot. Monster hunter has average hunt times of 15-30 minutes. For any ark creature to take that long it’s basically saying “this isn’t feasible”

[mortal kestrel]

okay, then returning to my original statements

bosses are meant to challenge the player

and it is completely pointless to spend all that time designing a complex combo system, dodges, as well as going far enough to make weapons extremely flexible in their designs... only for all of it to be completely redundant because "hehe dino skin be mega thiccc"

[still shore]

FRRRRR

[blissful perch]

Really depends, especially for ark, on what the style of preparations are deemed “acceptable” prior to a challenge

[mortal kestrel]

true

[blissful perch]

I think being able to solo (no tames) the equivalent of an alpha broodmother is stupid

[mortal kestrel]

even if dino skin thickness was a thing, with how modular the weapon is, you should be able to make a blade that can counter that

[fiery wedge]

Not to this guy lol

[blissful perch]

However, I agree that should you be at the correct point of game progress, that skill should allow you to succeed with perhaps less preparation than someone who’s less skilled

[still shore]

😐

[mortal kestrel]

yeah but we are talking about a rex

which is definitely not the equivalent of that

[blissful perch]

There’s a “window” where skill can compensate for a lack of preparation, but outside that you should feel like a certain challenge is untenable

I’d say that a rex on foot is about the limit. I think if it’s a really challenging and satisfying fight you could swing a foot player against a rex, but it would be rex favored

But a bronto? You should be boned if you try to foot player solo a bronto down

[mortal kestrel]

I agree with that

[blissful perch]

PvE should have moments where a player at any (normal, since some people are nuts) skill level is deterred or blocked from doing something without adequate progress…because otherwise the game’s longevity and progress structure collapses

[mortal kestrel]

unles you can somehow get on the brontos back, basically everything it does should be able to one shot you

[blissful perch]

I’m not even speaking one shots, you should do squat to a bronto in return on foot

Even if it doesn’t one shot you, the knowledge that you can barely scratch this massive animal should properly deter players from fighting it unprepared

[mortal kestrel]

I agree with that shifter, but arkII does have a different loop than arkI, considering damage in general will be more meaningful, even to tames

ontop of that, getting raided by aratai as well as their tames

while I agree skill can only go so far, being able to 1v1 anything not miniboss or above (assuming you have appropriately prepared equipment, of course) I dont think would really affect the games longevity, and if anything would probably add to it because of the competition it would provide

[blissful perch]

Well that’s the part you omitted there: appropriate equipment

[mortal kestrel]

though to be fair, Im speaking entirely from the perspective of a 1v1, which lets be honest, isnt likely to happen regardless

[blissful perch]

You’ll likely be forced to consider 1v1 fights against all sorts of scenarios as an ark 2 player. The question is which ones should or shouldn’t be worth taking

[mortal kestrel]

actually no, I did bring up equipment rather early on, I just didnt emphasize it because I figured that would be a given

I was never saying you should be able to take on a rex with a bundle of that and stones

[blissful perch]

What excites me about ark 2 is that there’s two types of progression: game progression via levels and gear and player progression as you learn the AI and the world and how it works

[mortal kestrel]

mhmm

[blissful perch]

That’s true, although imo “decent” gear is a bit vague for my tastes lol

[mortal kestrel]

thats fair

since we have no idea how arkII will be balanced, I figured being on the vague side would be better until we see more

[blissful perch]

I was looking for a “early/mid/late game” comment rather than a specific, cause that’s totally true

[mortal kestrel]

because lets be honest, we have no clue what even classifies as appropriate gear

or even decent gear really

for all we know, something like obsidian could be extremely high end for burst damage due to the extreme sharpness obsidian has when properly knapped

[blissful perch]

Imo “decent” is a terrible term for describing anything with a linear progression system, since decent early game gear is often awful end game gear lol

[fiery wedge]

You know obsidian is brittle AF right?

[mortal kestrel]

I dont think arkII will have a linear progression system

[blissful perch]

It will

[mortal kestrel]

hence why I said "burst damage"

durability doesnt matter if you are only looking to inflict a high amount of damage within a certain moment

[blissful perch]

The question is how linear? Ark 1 was extremely linear but ark 2 has hinted at a lot more horizontal progression

[mortal kestrel]

Im hoping arkIIs progression will be less gear related and more skill related

[fiery wedge]

It does though because your weapon would break on the enemy and barely if even damage them

[mortal kestrel]

so you'd be encouraged to make gear that compliments your survivors "build"

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with gear, although ark 1 flak is kinda dumb lol. I wish there was more armor that offered similar progression and other side benefits though so you could justify different loadouts

[mortal kestrel]

even if the weapon breaks, if it does the high amount of damage it was meant to, then its purpose is served

[blissful perch]

It’s an interesting idea to give a weapon the brittle debuff to justify perhaps a stronger buff of some sort

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, which obsidian would be perfect for

[blissful perch]

I could imagine obsidian knives doing extra damage but having a higher chance of breaking or something

That would be very new to ark though, a trade off system of buffs and debuffs for components rather than just a buff system

[fiery wedge]

Bruh doesn't even understand what was said 💀

[mortal kestrel]

I'd love to see different blade types

like, maybe straight blades as your standard blade, and like serrated blades for bleeding and other status ailments

[blissful perch]

I do think obsidian knives and tools had use, even if you couldn’t use them for arrowheads and spears

[fiery wedge]

I mean it's new game. And having an actual system behind melee is new too so.

[fiery wedge]

They were used for surgery

[blissful perch]

Right, so in a pinch you could stab something with one, even if it rendered it useless after because it broke

[mortal kestrel]

its a video game, no way in hell obsidian breaks and does no damage, that just wouldnt be good game design

if obsidian breaks after one hit though, then single use arrows could be a great use for it tbh

[fiery wedge]

They were only useful with very delicate procedures. Using almost any force would damage or shatter the tool.

[blissful perch]

I mean minecraft tinkers construct actually had certain components make your tools and weapons useless

[mortal kestrel]

tinkers is kind of how I imagine arks modular crafting will be like

[blissful perch]

It’s a possible way to think about it. But it’s certainly not the only way…it’s something that I’m interested to see if we get a UI teaser at extra life

[mortal kestrel]

you prepare certain parts of your weapon this way or that, then bring them all together in this final bench with different parts giving your weapon different benefits and drawbacks

[blissful perch]

What I think is interesting about tinkers is that materials each had a set trait that was then applied to the tool part. An interesting alternative is if the material did something different based on what part it was made into

[mortal kestrel]

I also like how modular crafting will also be cosmetic

makes me want some form of glamor you can put on your weapon (and maybe your outfit as well) for aesthetic purposes... probably in pve only modes since that would be pretty abusable for pvp

[blissful perch]

I think there’s wiggle room for cosmetics…but yea if it’s too much it can be used to mask things in a way I see as harmful for PvP

[mortal kestrel]

hence the last part of the suggestion

[fiery wedge]

How would a cosmetic hurt pvp lol, just don't make it invisible and it'll be fine.

[blissful perch]

If for example you see a player holding out a crappy looking sword skin on top of a really good sword you may mistakenly assume they’re low gear. As an example

[mortal kestrel]

running around in end game gear glamored to look beach boby

[ripe marsh]

it could be a one use weapon

[mortal kestrel]

yeah we talked about obsidian being brittle

[fiery wedge]

Eh, just don't be greedy lol.

[mortal kestrel]

but like I said, low durability doesnt matter as long as the weapon can serve its purpose as a spur of the moment burst

[blissful perch]

Tbh it could just be a terrible option that acts as a last resort

That’s still technically a niche a weapon type could fill

[mortal kestrel]

or it could be an early game "oh shit" way of doing late game damage with high upkeep cost

[blissful perch]

I’m very curious about the gap between early vs late game

[mortal kestrel]

only really useful as a fallback if you find yourself in some unexpected trouble

but not practical in every day use

I am as well shifter

as I said earlier, Im hoping late game will be mostly skill/weapon synergy, rather than getting hard carried by your armor like in arkI

[blissful perch]

I want late game to be worse in comparison to the environment (than ark 1)

[fiery wedge]

The damage on your weapons matter just as much though?

[mortal kestrel]

which is why I propose obsidian to be an early game fallback rather than a lategame material

since having burst that can outclass boss caliber gear would be pretty bad

[fiery wedge]

If you have prim weapons and a capped suit you might as well be commiting suicide if you're tryna fight someone

[mortal kestrel]

in arkI the damage on your weapon hardly matters if you have armor so good that 90% of the ark does 0 damage

[blissful perch]

Right but that’s a thing that doesn’t have to be strictly true in ark 2

The gap between the ark 2 equivalent of a spear and a tek rifle doesn’t need to be so large

[mortal kestrel]

and anyway, Im talking in the sense of pve, not pvp

we cant even begin to talk about pvp until we see what the combo system is like

[fiery wedge]

Amazing that PvE isn't very dangerous in a PvP game isn't it?

[mortal kestrel]

because I feel like skill will be what mostly matters in arkII pvp

doesnt matter how good your gear is if you cant hit your enemy

[blissful perch]

It’s an ark 1 mistake that can be rectified in ark 2

Given 50+% of players for ark 1 play PvE, it’s not a bad time to go ahead and adjust that mode to be more difficult and recognize you’re making a PvE and PvP experience

[mortal kestrel]

Im curious if arks dodge roll will be an iframe or merely just a gap opener/closer

[fiery wedge]

Bro everytime I look at PvE servers to see if that numbers true every single PvE server is dead af

[mortal kestrel]

because going either way changes quite a bit how combat will be done

[blissful perch]

It’s unofficial and SP that carry PvE, because official PvE has almost no appeal

[mortal kestrel]

bruh you are on xbox, arent all servers there dead af?

[fiery wedge]

Shouldn't be I-frames

[mortal kestrel]

isnt the dark souls dodge iframes though?

[fiery wedge]

Unofficial dead af too bro

[fiery wedge]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

True, I’m also speaking only for what I’ve seen on PC, idk if Xbox is somehow way different

[fiery wedge]

No

[mortal kestrel]

pc unofficial is entirely different from xbone official, with us having mods and all

having mods on console for arkII will be interesting

[fiery wedge]

On steam can you see servers that have mods you don't and then if you try and join it tells you what mods you're missing?

[blissful perch]

Either way, the PvE could be made tougher than it is in ark 1 and benefit both modes

[blissful perch]

It usually auto downloads the missing mods

[fiery wedge]

Yeah

Would make the games longevity better if it was harder to advance because there'd be an actual threat to stop you

[split dove]

pve loses a lot of risk at lvl 35 when you tame a pteradon and just fly

[mortal kestrel]

mods are the main thing carrying ark I imagine, since a fair amount of popular mod stuff does end up eventually being added to the game

[blissful perch]

I think it would make PvP more interesting to watch too if both sides sometimes had to deal with PvE. Like if an Aratai raid happened in the middle of a big PvP fight

[fiery wedge]

Bro if a wild rex showed up in the middle of a fight it'd just get targeted and die instantly by whatever side it's attacking

[blissful perch]

Well yes because that’s ark 1 creatures…basically walking meat

[fiery wedge]

It'd eat 30 arrows in 3 seconds

If we're talking a big fight at least. A small fight would just disperse probably.

[blissful perch]

I guess it depends on Aratai raids being more than just “a bunch of rexes” since agree they’d just get wrecked lol

[mortal kestrel]

the general thoughts of flight for arkII

no wyverns (I personally think wyverns are fine as long as their breath attacks get entirely reworked, no constantly ticking damage attacks or long range balls)

fliers should be easy to lame if their wings are struck, making them quite dangerous to use... as well as have a crashing mechanic if you land wrong

fliers should be a late midgame to early lategame tame type at the earliest, requiring at least a few days of effort and preparation

I do hope to see glider suits expanded

I'd love to have a squirrel suit, for example... lets say an armor piece that sacrifices all forms of defense (outside of insultation, since if you are gliding you'll need to be insulated or you could literally freeze to death due to wind chill, depending on your altitude and speed) to enhance your mobility and allow bursts of gliding, probably based off stamina usage

[naive grotto]

Port-a maewing?

[ripe marsh]

Aratai raids could progressively get difficult either by you winning against them, days passing ( similar to the forest ) or the game detects your progress and compares and gives them equal loot/tames

[fiery wedge]

This ain't 7 days to die lol

[mortal kestrel]

like I've long said

pvp should be a spice in arkIIs gameplay, not the main focus... its much easier to make pve threats actually significant if they are the games main focus

[ripe marsh]

idk even know what that is

[fiery wedge]

It's a pretty good game

[mortal kestrel]

its a zombie survival game

fun with friends, but kind of stressful solo since it isnt the kind of game you want to be wasting time in

[ripe marsh]

I see

I'm assuming as the days pass, enemies get stronger?

[fiery wedge]

Yeah

[ripe marsh]

like stat wise or different enemy types

[fiery wedge]

New enemies show up

[ripe marsh]

ah

[mortal kestrel]

every 7 days your base gets attacked by a massive horde

and with each concurrent week zombies get stronger and each horde night is stronger than the last

[ripe marsh]

sounds very similar to the forest

[mortal kestrel]

eh, kind of

I dont really like the forest much because the game overly relies on the jumpscare "horror" element to make itself relevant, and is rather boring once you get over it

[ripe marsh]

actually thinking about it here, a day system in ark is bad

I forgor about servers

[fiery wedge]

Yeah lol I was gonna say that too

[ripe marsh]

Yeah, game gets really easy once you realize enemy patterns

[mortal kestrel]

yeah no, something like that in ark would be terrible

I want dodge backflips in arkII

and if the game doesnt have one by default, I might try to pick up modding to add them in

[fiery wedge]

All you seem to want most the time is over the top crap that wouldn't fit the game

[mortal kestrel]

all you seem to want is a game more basic than your profile picture

[fiery wedge]

You have an anime PFP lmao

You can't talk

I want a game that has features that don't trivialize

[mortal kestrel]

you dont even have a pfp, you are in no position to criticize

making something flashy does not make it trivial, it just makes it fun to look at

[fiery wedge]

You have an anime PFP and banner kid, you're in no position to argue anything.

[fiery wedge]

Wingsuit?

[mortal kestrel]

besides, we are literally crashed on an alien planet, and special moves have been confirmed combat-wise

so a dodge backflip isnt even all that out of place

[mortal kestrel]

well you'd have to get high enough to glide with the wingsuit in the firstplace

its hardly trivializing anything considering we can straight up climb anyway, and swing physics are confirmed, which will most likely apply primarily to grappling hooks

[fiery wedge]

You know there's vines irl right?

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, but I doubt vines will be everywhere

[fiery wedge]

And braches aren't stiff

And they could mean you swing your character and not just an object

[mortal kestrel]

much less vines being common enough to justify adding swing physics

and I highly doubt we'd swing on branches

[mortal kestrel]

oh sure swinging your entire character is fine

but not a dodge backflip smh

[fiery wedge]

This dudes never swung off a branch when he was young

[mortal kestrel]

its less it being realistic and more the issues coding-wise that would involve'

as well as having to have tree models with branches all animated for swinging

and then those branches having to be rendered in their swing animation for everyone in the area rendering it as well

[fiery wedge]

How does everything you say get worse every sentence?

[mortal kestrel]

how is all that copium you taking on a daily basis hitting?

[fiery wedge]

Idk you're the one with dogshit opinions you tell me?

[mortal kestrel]

considering your main rebukes towards me are calling me invalid, ridiculing my icon, and just calling me bad without actually giving me proper reasoning why what I say isnt bad beyond "its bad and Im obviously right because pvp"

you must be on a hell of a lot of copium

and frankly its making conversing with you rather tedious

[fiery wedge]

But you're the one who brought up pfps? At least remember how the conversation went beforehand lmao

[mortal kestrel]

no that was definitely you

[fiery wedge]

Scroll up my guy lmao

[mighty lion]

7 days to die?

[fiery wedge]

Yes

[fallow niche]

[mortal kestrel]

I scrolled up

and it was most definitely you

[fiery wedge]

Erm, cherry picking?

[fallow niche]

Move along please

[mortal kestrel]

that is not cherry picking, you very clearly started the whole pfp thing ._.

and okay country

[fiery wedge]

🤦‍♂️

[mortal kestrel]

Im hoping arkII will have dual blades in some shape or form

I love short swords and I dont see them enough in games

[fiery wedge]

That's cause wielding two swords isn't very useful

[mortal kestrel]

depends on how its done, and the situation

it could be pretty useful in arkII where it is likely you'll be dealing with more than one threat, and since you can dodge, why have a shield?

cant take damage if the enemy is dead, is my perspective on things

[fiery wedge]

Because having both option is probably better

[mortal kestrel]

well realstically, a shield sturdy enough to handle an attack from a dino would be quite cumbersome to wield and would make moving awkward and hard

[fiery wedge]

And realistically trying to dodge roll over and over would be tiresome and get you killed

[mortal kestrel]

and since you will be dealing with multiple enemies more often than not, the shield would just leave you exposed from behind

[fiery wedge]

So would trying to fight a dino with melee

[mortal kestrel]

doesnt make my second point any less valid though

[fiery wedge]

Turn around?

[mortal kestrel]

I'd be surprised if using a shield in arkII didnt incur some form of movement penalty, because otherwise it would just be too strong

[fiery wedge]

Your back is always exposed lol

[mortal kestrel]

ah yes, and then the side you were just defending is now exposed, great solution

[fiery wedge]

Most games with shields have no movement penalty and they're usually just fine

[mortal kestrel]

most games with shields also dont have dark souls styled combat

[fiery wedge]

Dark souls has no penalty either lmao

[fiery wedge]

That's cause you're fighting multiple enemies and will always be at the disadvantage

[mortal kestrel]

anyway, the point I am trying to make is shields only really excel in defending from one direction

[fiery wedge]

Woah, it's almost like that what a shield is for.

[mortal kestrel]

which in a game like ark where you can easily be surrounded, I see shields as entirely pointless because there is no way you are defending all of that and also being able to reliably attack at the same time without being left wide open

[fiery wedge]

Not having a shield in ark 1 rn is suicide if you're suit pvping

[mortal kestrel]

hence why I'd prefer the dual wielding approach where I forgo defense entirely in favor of dodging, so I can be proactive about attacking instead of reactive

[mortal kestrel]

thats arkI

Im talking about arkII

in arkII a shield isnt your only form of defense

seeing a reposte added to arkII would be pretty funny

but I doubt it would happen

[fiery wedge]

Your preference is not a good idea realistically, that's why almost no dual wielded weapons were used in real life. They're a niche weapon that's outperformed by most other options.

Especially considering that weapons light enough to hold two of usually aren't very powerful. And people wear armor.

[mortal kestrel]

why is real life being brought into this?

I said in games

[fiery wedge]

Because realism is prevalent to a degree in everything

[mortal kestrel]

yes, but realism should be treated as a suggestion instead of an absolute rule imo

psuedo realism basically

especially in a game where we are crash landed on an alien planet with dinos everywhere

[fiery wedge]

What does that have to do with anything?

[mortal kestrel]

idk you're the one who brought up realism

[fiery wedge]

Okay but what does us being on an alien planet have to do with how realistic things should be

[mortal kestrel]

when I was speaking realistically, I meant realistic in terms of what the game should be, not quite realistically as in real life

[mortal kestrel]

what doesnt it have to do with it?

[fiery wedge]

Maybe the fact that aliens are most likely out there and that anything could be made with genetics?

[mortal kestrel]

yeah aliens are likely out there

but the odds of us crashing on a planet that is perfectly habitable is quite slim

[fiery wedge]

People are always like "this game doesn't have to be realistic cause there's aliens" like bruh

[mortal kestrel]

as well as the eden ring "surviving" the crash in a well enough condition to be operational to the point of performing its function of maintaining an ecosystem

[fiery wedge]

You are aware that the ship was looking for a habitable planet?

[mortal kestrel]

yes I am, hence why I said "perfectly" habitable

[fiery wedge]

And? What if life can only exist the way it is on earth?

Maybe that's why it's so hard to find

[mortal kestrel]

maybe the planet has freaky acid rain weather

maybe the planets so big its gravity would literally crush us

hell, maybe the planet has the wrong oxygen content and we either suffocate in its atmosphere or die of oxygen poisoning

[fiery wedge]

Then the spaceship wouldn't put us there?

[mortal kestrel]

maybe, or maybe not, Im just saying the odds of finding a planet thats perfectly compatible is quite slim

[fiery wedge]

Yeah and the ship was checking for planets for God knows how long

[mortal kestrel]

slimmer still is the eden ring surviving its crash in a functional state after being literally torn off the lifeboat

[fiery wedge]

You know the ring dropped survivors onto the planet in pods right?

[mortal kestrel]

did it though? it was torn off the lifeboat remember?

[fiery wedge]

And the ring was made of extremely advanced technology from people who are a space faring civilization

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, but again the ring was torn off the lifeboat after it got blown up due to some element infused weirdo taking it over

[fiery wedge]

You'd think that there'd be safety lines so that a crash wouldn't always be 100% lethal

[mortal kestrel]

yeah, but thats assuming they planned for the the ring to have its own landing operation separate from the life boat, which is slime

and there's still the whole being torn off the lifeboat thing

I'd be surprised if the ring survived being torn off without some damage

[fiery wedge]

Okay and? It's humanity's last bastion you think they wouldn't have everything they can think of to ensure survival?

[mortal kestrel]

I mean if they did, then rockwell wouldnt have taken over the ship to such an extent that eradicating him blew the ship apart

[fiery wedge]

Who would think that someone would infuse element into themselves and teleport into the ship and take it over

[blissful perch]

Can’t do this without regular wipes…since the world will outscale new players

[mortal kestrel]

who would think the eden ring would be torn off the life boat by an explosion?

[fiery wedge]

That's far more probable than the last thing lmao

[mortal kestrel]

that eden ring wasnt even disengaged before hand, it was straight up ripped off

if they did prepare for that eventuality, then it would have some sort of mechanism that would allow for a clean separation

[fiery wedge]

What if there was an asteroid?

[mortal kestrel]

so what if there was? that doesnt change the fact that the eden ring was ripped off

[fiery wedge]

And? You're arguing over some useless bullshit.

[blissful perch]

…y’all are being silly again and I wasn’t even gone that long

[mortal kestrel]

idk apparnetly being on an alien planet means the game has to be hyper realistic

[fiery wedge]

Lmaooooo

[blissful perch]

Dual blades would be fine if they added to combat. I’d prefer the choice of two handed claymore vs sword and shield, but realistically having two hands to equip weapons/shields is pretty common, so why not have two swords? As long as I can run dual shield bash builds

[mortal kestrel]

and Im pulling birds leg because the are annoying

a claymore or a falchion would be pretty neat to see

[fiery wedge]

I'm legit laughing at every message you send

[mortal kestrel]

you have fun with that

[fiery wedge]

I am lol

[mortal kestrel]

good

[blissful perch]

get a room and let’s keep it about game design

[south lance]

What happen

[blissful perch]

Some tasty talk about weapons and difficulty scaling (IE PvE being harder at all points of the game)

[split dove]

a lot

[south lance]

I like all the difficulties in one map

[mortal kestrel]

idk apparently it doesnt matter if arkII is on an alien planet, game needs to be super hyper realistic because yes

[fiery wedge]

Loool still can't read

[south lance]

Everyone should be allowed to suffer

[blissful perch]

Some of us are doing it right now 😂

[mortal kestrel]

because, you know, being on an alien planet doesnt mean we can take some creative freedom with game mechanics and systems

[south lance]

Even if they dont think they want to

[south lance]

Waiting for some news be like this

[mortal kestrel]

shhh didnt you know most of the arks playerbase is masochistic?

why else would they spend weeks raising dinos only to lose them five seconds later

[south lance]

I want everyone to know suffering

Everyone will be wiped

Everywhere

Only savior is godmode

[ripe marsh]

Yeah I realized after thinking and that I entirely forgot about servers

[mortal kestrel]

and then the godmode peeps get banned for hacking

[fiery wedge]

If most people play PvE then that's not the case

[mortal kestrel]

I mean back when gigas raged after falling five inches, that was very much the case

[fiery wedge]

Just dismount?

[mortal kestrel]

doesnt change that gigas raged too easily

[south lance]

When cliff not an issue anymore 😔

[fiery wedge]

If your giga rages in your base then ur a bob lol

[south lance]

Rip cliff danger will be missed

[mortal kestrel]

I hope the dismount thing in arkII ends up making your character rebound and the get send flying while ragdolling just for trying to abuse the system

would be funny

[south lance]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

Ya know what I’m good with NOT seeing is auto dismount attacks and stun locks

[mighty lion]

In ark 1 regional difficulty was mainly created by what creatures were there. What do you think about instead making it creature/ aratai level along with region specific creatures.

With the possibility for adaptive scaling depending on certain factors

[lime forge]

I think stuns and dismounts provide a good mechanic for combat

[fiery wedge]

Not the way the devs implemented them in the first game

[short gate]

When does ARK 2 drop?

[mighty lion]

Between january 1st 20223 and December 31st 2023

[lavish rain]

Fanta for ark 2

||leaded gas ||

[lavish rain]

No, it provides annoyance

Refer to jellyfish and eels

[lavish rain]

@lime forge name 1 good creature to fight in ark that has dismount

[lavish rain]

Environmental hazards like radiation

And (as much as I don't want to say it) the carnivore plants from genesis 2

[fallen ginkgo]

yo

[mighty lion]

I wouldve loved to have something stronger as a carnivorous plant we could use for base defense

We don't have any sarlacc pit like creatures yet.

[stray elm]

Would've been great if the Venus-Flytraps where growable that're on Genesis-2

[lavish rain]

Scrapped

[stray elm]

I know

Sadge.

[winged pagoda]

is ark going to be XBOX only? NOT PC? first release? 🦖

[stray elm]

It has a steam page

[mighty lion]

I know, I was looking forward to it originally

[stray elm]

Yeah......

[mighty lion]

Microsoft exclusive, typically means pc and xbox

[stray elm]

It's not even Microsoft exclusive, it wouldn't be on steam then.
It's just not coming to PS since it's coming out in early-access

[mighty lion]

They stated it's a microsoft exclusive when they announced it, right?

[stray elm]

I don't believe so?
Cause a Microsoft exclusive would mean Xbox and Windows store only, no?

[mighty lion]

It was announced as a microsoft exclusive. Slated for initially release on xbox series x/s and later PC

[stray elm]

Odd.
In the first trailer?

[mighty lion]

In the original survive the ark post, at the game awards in 2020, and the second trailer was during the xbox exclusive showcase.

For exclusive releasing in the next 12 month

[stray elm]

Hmm, odd.
Cause i don't believe it's an exclusive anymore.

Cause steam isn't a Microsoft platform.

[broken dune]

Any recent news about the game?

[ripe cedar]

not since june 12

[mighty lion]

Extra life is november 5th

[twin cave]

its on steam arleady

[steep cairn]

That makes tames weaker it wouldnt be good

[blissful perch]

I think staggers are ok, but stuns are miserable. Especially if they can be chained into stun locks that make you want to uninstall

[marble basin]

Yea dont let ark-combat turn into overwatch with mounts

[mortal kestrel]

the steam page is literally pinned in this channel

[mortal kestrel]

staggers? sure

stuns? hell no

[grave carbon]

Have they hired real dev for ark 2 ?

Or is it 100% blueprint again?

[obsidian sigil]

Anybody know if Ark 2 will be crossplay between Steam and Xbox/Microsoft versions?

[mortal kestrel]

it most likely will be

since both platforms will have modding

[high root]

i'm curious on how this will run on normal computers when compared to how current ark runs on the average gaming pc.

"See foliage react convincingly to passing wildlife, water flow downstream around obstacles, volumetric stormclouds, localized weather systems, smoke and particles affected by physical forces, and much more! Fundamental advancement of lighting systems enables a more photorealistic day-night cycle, generating real-time ambient lighting & shadows within both natural and player-constructed environments!" has me concerned in particularly ;-; ark isn't exactly renowned for being a good running game so i'm hoping that this has been taken into consideration and settings have a lot of options to help with this otherwise i fear that the playerbase is gonna be pretty limited to people who have crazy good pc's

[ripe marsh]

That is a concern I have too. I got strong-ish laptop but it's far from the best

[tropic crag]

I for one am glad it won't be held back by previous-gen consoles, but I do hope as far as PC-wise it doesn't require like the best, newest, NASA-tier computer

But I don't think that'll be the case like it was with Ark one early on, since it's a bit less indie and a bit more big-name-production these days

[blissful perch]

As long as it isn’t hard shackled like rise was because of the switch I’m already feeling better

[tropic crag]

There's so many games that get held back/lose features that could've been great simply because they want to incude last-gen and/or weaker platforms, and it's sad. BotW was going to have a lot more, but they wanted to put it on the Wii-U so they toned it back a bit (and we lost some really interesting features because of it, too)

IMO, these games should go down how Ark 1 did, and release to the major platforms that have the power behind them, then go back and work it out for the others if they want (like they did with the Switch and mobile versions of Ark 1)

[lavish sparrow]

Will ark 2 have proper Linux support?

[lavish sparrow]

Will run better for sure

Ark at the moment is so unoptimized it's embarrassing that it was even released for £45 in that state

But it still performs better than rust lol

But the fps stability is bad. There are things that influence the framerate way more than others

I think what wildcard needs to work on is the foliage and grass, shit like that

Cranking up ground clutter density decreases the fps around the same amount as view distance

[blissful perch]

foliage and ground clutter is gonna need to be looked at again, especially if people are expected to use it to hide from wildlife

[blissful latch]

oh wait this exist

[lavish sparrow]

Yea

I feel like wildcard should open an application form for community members for early access

Because I feel like community input would be the best

Obv a very small amount of people but it would help with the development I think

[gleaming arch]

Is ark 2 coming to mobile?

[pulsar stag]

You would need one really powerful phone then

[lavish rain]

NASA phone

[fast ingot]

.

[blissful perch]

that's called early access

[blissful perch]

if it is, it'll be like ark mobile...a totally different experience with the same name

[lavish sparrow]

there are different types of early access

[mighty lion]

"simultaneously on Steam Early Access and as a console launch exclusive for Xbox Series X|S and with Xbox and PC Game Pass on Game Preview." For those who dont read the pins

[blissful perch]

I'm betting WC has closed QC tests with people, but if I were them I wouldn't dare do so with this community. Way too risky

[ripe cedar]

uh yes, they do have a qa team

[mortal kestrel]

it will most likely ironically run better than ark ever did

the main reason why ark runs like shit is because it was made like shit

the "foundation" of arks coding was made in just 7 months by 9 people

even AAA studios take years to make their foundation of coding for games

and wildcard was an indie studio at the time

still kind of is tbh, maybe AA at the most

[stray elm]

They're defiantly more AA now then Indie.

They're actually a full blown company now.
Just not as big as others

[woeful gate]

wait wtf how long has this been a thing

[split dove]

since december 2020 when it was announced at the game awards alongside the animated series

[willow hull]

id have to beat ark the island before i play this

i might have it done by the time it realeases

[stray elm]

Two years

[split dove]

you still got at the fastest 5 months

[woeful gate]

i had no idea this was a thing thats weird

[rotund grail]

Give us some leaks or game play .For the love of God Happy birthday Cedric

[blissful perch]

Extra life

technically the post from the devs (pinned) is a leak as well

[untold ingot]

Is it a leak if it was intended?

[rotund grail]

@blissful perch where you see this at ?

[blissful perch]

The pins of this chat (click the pin)

[rotund grail]

Extra life to far away

Too@untold ingot

Too

[mighty lion]

97 days will pass in the blink of an eye

[hazy elm]

It better have tornados I can ride and hurricanes that flood our beach houses

[stray elm]

I just learned that Multiversus has lines for every single character to wish you a happy-birthday when the day comes.
@cunning talon Please, do this with Vin-Diesel in ARK-2.
I'd laugh and appreciate the cherry on top of characters wished you a happy-birthday.

[mortal kestrel]

seeing the pins makes me depresssed

because bluestone isnt here anymore

[untold totem]

same

i like an opposite perspective of me to keep the chat engaging

[split dove]

what happend with Bluestone?

[abstract birch]

He does not work for WC anymore.

[short fulcrum]

Wait, bluestone is gone?

[mighty lion]

He was the most engaging too

[twin cave]

some leaves and more joins in, hopefully the next dev will be as good as bluestone

[wispy sierra]

not to be that guy but bluestone wasn't a dev

unclear. he is no longer with WC, nor is he in this server anymore

[tropic crag]

Damn, we didn't get a goodbye or nothin

[wispy sierra]

it might've been legal issues or smthn and he didn't have time? idk

[stray elm]

He was a freelance CM

[stray elm]

Kind of did.

His last message was "Bluestone was never real" then left

He also could've left on his own.
Might've gotten to stressed or annoyed over getting constantly harrassed.

[tropic crag]

I didn't see it, but that still doesn't explain what happened either way

[mighty lion]

His twitter was also deleted

[tropic crag]

That's really strange, tbh the whole situation is strange and I want answers

[stray elm]

Same

I think it's either a joke, or he wanted to retire.
There'd be no reason to delete his twitter.

[tropic crag]

But it's probably lost to the aether why it happened in the first place

[mighty lion]

He seemed to enjoy chatting here.

[stray elm]

Correction: No reason 'unless' he's either making a new account, or he's retiring and wants no one to message him anymore and harrass him.

[mighty lion]

If everyone changed their name to bluestone, we might get answers lol

[stray elm]

'True'

[tropic crag]

Their discord account still exists, so I don't see how that would reduce the harassing messages being sent to them (if that was in fact the reason they left, because if someone wants to harass you they will try every avenue, trust me)

[mighty lion]

Cant message someone if you dont share a discord, buuuuttttt you could just block someone, so I agree

[tropic crag]

I can message him...

[stray elm]

He set his discord to only allow messages from friends.

[tropic crag]

Ah, fair enough, forgot about that function

Point being though that if they were going to "retire" or didn't want to be harassed, why didn't they delete the discord account? And just like make another lol

[stray elm]

Cause Twitter doesn't have a function like Discord does to allow friends only to message you.
No point in deleting it, if you can just set it as that.

[tropic crag]

I guess so, I don't have any social medias so I wouldn't know about Twatter and it's dumb machinations

[blissful perch]

Given I’ve read some disgusting tweets aimed at Cedric and Dollie I wouldn’t be surprised if Bluestone had received similar messages

[stray elm]

He has.
I've seen a few

[blissful perch]

It makes me sick to see a passionate dev team treated like that. I just hope the rest of us can remind them it’s only a few rotten folks

[stray elm]

And sadly, those few rotten folks are rotting the whole carton.

[blissful perch]

They likely make it impossible to do a lot of things, like trust the community, interact with them in an unofficial or casual format very often…etc

[stray elm]

True

[blissful perch]

I know if I got those messages I’d hold the community at arms length. Which sucks because I remember when that wasn’t the case

I’d also be wary of a community that begs for new information and leaks and then is angry to the point of sending truly disgusting messages when new content comes out or is teased and it isn’t perfect. We played a precursor to ark 2 for seven years but many vocal folks in the community don’t seem to notice that the game they played isn’t some perfectly polished super game that does everything. But I can already see people holding ark 2 to impossible standards

[crystal badger]

Oui

[lament chasm]

i hope ratholes will stay

its like the best place 2 make an base

[untold totem]

nah, rat holes should be count as mesh holes as they are not intended to be made anyways

intended ratholes like most likely for easter eggs and are not buildable

Rag's Highland Water trench is an example

[blissful perch]

I don't see the issue with small places that are hidden...the janky part is what i dislike lol

[fiery wedge]

Bob mentality lmao

[pearl cove]

[lavish rain]

Really trying to start shit

[lavish rain]

Taco bell sound effect everytime I shoot somthing with a bow and it hits

[stray elm]

The power of modding!

[lavish rain]

Yep

[umbral urchin]

Bluestone.

[stray elm]

He no longer exists

[umbral urchin]

I know

[stray elm]

Sadge

[worldly badger]

I actually like that idea

As for ratholes for the most part I don’t think they are made on purpose so they will probably be there

[stray elm]

I want personal birthday events in ARK-2.

It can be really simple. But just a single day of the year that's an event for exclusively 'you'

[ripe cedar]

just tell people that its your birthday in your server and maybe they will throw a party

[stray elm]

Nah, i like the idea of Vin having voicelines to wish you a happy-birthday to be funny

[mighty lion]

I think that as long as the rat hole doesnt have a crouch point or isnt in the mesh it's fine.

[night lily]

Ark 2 is early 2023 right

[mint swan]

supposed to be

i am not sure if there will be a delay beyond that

[grizzled verge]

Best act like it doesn't exist, it'll show up eventually but probably not on the set dates lol

[mint swan]

[mighty lion]

Treating 12/31/2023 as the earliest release date is my go to.

[mint swan]

Probably not, looking at other games that were initially released end of a year and got delayed, and then it gets released begin next year in like march, august at its latest

[mighty lion]

It's " dont get my hope up date", not an actual prediction

[wanton pike]

Lol

[blissful perch]

Dude Frieza has actually been spitting facts in my absence recently

[wanton pike]

Might as well speculate on when they will reveal more news regarding ark 2.

[blissful perch]

That’s the least useful thing to speculate lol, that’ll just happen

[solemn hemlock]

how do we feel about dinosaurs like T-rex and Trike actually being able to go toe to toe like how it was in the real world

or do we want the rex to be more powerful overall an 100% wins the 1v1

[blissful perch]

I’m fine with the trike being moved to be a later game tame, possibly a bit larger, and getting that role

I think the reason they’re early game is for marketing: I’d imagine early game new ark players tend to stick around when they spawn and recognize “omg a trike and a stego! I know those!”

[solemn hemlock]

very true

also i hope Herbivores get love when it comes to attack tames

[blissful perch]

Hard agree: I want them to be a threat in the wild and when mounted beyond veggie cake soakers + theri lol

[short fulcrum]

To be fair we have a decent amount of strong herbivores already like the wolly rhino, megatherium, therizino, mammoth, stego and bronto
But they all get underused because they all have either really bad stamina or really bad speed or sometimes both

But yes, I agree that the trike and also the anky definitely aren't as powerful as they deserve to be

[fiery wedge]

The anky is a farming dino lol

[blissful perch]

Right now it is

[blissful perch]

Or net gun 🤣

I’m wondering if I’d prefer herbivores like the bronto and trike largely stay slow but get some form of meaningful tank niche against other tames

[wispy sierra]

I wish herbivores got a massive buff, rn 2 direwolves can obliterate a mammoth without much difficulty

[fiery wedge]

Anything you tame in this game can kill wild shit lol

If the mammoth was tamed it'd be the other way around

[blissful nest]

I just hope that the devs allow more mods to enter the consoles. C'mon man, the only mod us console peeps have are, what? Primitive +?

Who uses primitive +?

[fiery wedge]

Did you not read the information for the game?

[blissful nest]

Effectively, no.

[fiery wedge]

You should probably read it

[blissful nest]

'ight. I will

[lavish rain]

You aren't the person that uses that type of slang wtf

[wispy sierra]

shifter has used the term "spitting facts" numerous times by now

[eternal wasp]

WUT

[blissful perch]

This is correct

[blissful perch]

I’m flattered by your assumption that I’m a scholar who doesn’t use slang

[lavish rain]

You are the best active person in chat to discuss ark 2 with

[blissful perch]

Y’all are too kind

It’s been a while tho since a juicy ark 2 game design conversation…makes me a bit sad

[wispy sierra]

It’s true doe

[stray elm]

Love you too.

[tight wraith]

Love me to pls (;

[stray elm]

[tight wraith]

Heh

[lavish rain]

?

[stray elm]

"You are the best active person in chat to discuss ark 2 with"
Ouch

I feel hurt

[blissful perch]

Let’s open a discussion; what do we think about bosses getting resistances to certain damage types? For example taking less damage from players to encourage tame use?

[winged dome]

I'd prefer targeted hitzones with different resistance multipliers - like maybe the joints are weak to slashing claws or blades (cutting arteries), or eyes being weak to stabs/arrows

Kinda like how Monster Hunter does it

[blissful perch]

So more hitzone based?

[winged dome]

Yeah

[blissful perch]

You’re thinking damage types could be 1.) ranged (player) 2.) melee (player) 3.) melee (tame) 4.) breath/element ?

I do kinda wonder what level of detail should be given to say acid vs frost vs fire element attacks if we see them. It would be cool if there were natural plays to reduce their effectiveness, like jumping in water to put out fire or rolling in mud to mitigate acid…or lightning dealing extra damage to airborne units that aren’t grounded

[stray elm]

Yes

[blissful perch]

Any thoughts on the discussion that occurred after?

[stray elm]

About hitzones?

[blissful perch]

I’m starved for a good ark 2 game design chat lol

Hit zones and then perhaps a discussion about element damage

[stray elm]

Yes

All yes.

If they want to go souls-like combat, i need more RPG

[blissful perch]

Facts. I think ark 2 could certainly work as a sandbox rpg

Tbh I almost want them to drop the sandbox lol and be a survival rpg

[stray elm]

ARK is technically already a sandbox RPG

[blissful perch]

That’s why I think ark 2 would work with the same genre 😆

[stray elm]

Yes, i too think ARK would work as the same game

[blissful perch]

I think the MMO stuff from ark 1 needs to be dropped. But you’ve heard my arguments about that XD

[stray elm]

But jokes aside, i would love if they embrace more of the survival/sandbox/RPG elements of ARK.

And it's hard to drop sandbox in a open-world game.
That's kind of what a Sandbox is to a degree.

[blissful perch]

Yea that’s fair

I always struggle with how to make the survival parts of ark better…I have ideas of how to make the fights more complex or the rpg more involved. But how do you make survival more fun?

[stray elm]

First, i think making death more scary and punishing would help that.

[blissful perch]

I think punishments should be strong and non variable

Right now your death hurts more the farther you are from your base (it’s 0 cost if you die in base and if you’re on the other side of the map it’s near 100% loss of your stuff)

[stray elm]

Yeah, and that's the issue.
Hard to make a meaningful death if it's online.

Why games like Green-hell and The Forest are scary, is also due to the fact that if you die, you have to restart to your last save. Which can be hours ago.

[blissful perch]

There’s good arguments for you lose all items after you last used a bed (subnautica style) or you can only keep certain items/a limited count (tarkov)

What I hate is chasing my loot bag. I don’t want death to be a means to cheese but I loathe relying on a spoilage timer to gauge the depth of my risk when I die

[stray elm]

Hmm

No, i don't believe it will.
I think the steam-page states it's being improved.

Marketplaces?

You're agreeing that you've done RMT?

You do know that's against the TOS

You just said you've made 4000$?

I've took a screenshot.

[blissful perch]

I was gone for five minutes lol

[tranquil coyote]

Let’s be honest ark devs don’t really care if you do money for trades

[blissful perch]

*enforce

It’s a thing I’ve been stressing here for ages…if they can’t or won’t enforce CoC to the level people think is passable why host official?

[stray elm]

They obviously do if it's against the rules of the server

[tranquil coyote]

But there’s a trading discord that has tens of thousands of people on it doing trades for money

[stray elm]

I think the lack of admins vs the huge amount of servers is the main issue

[stray elm]

And?
Ain't their server.

It's not illegal, so they can't get the discord in trouble.

[tranquil coyote]

But they could see the people doing these trades and enforce action but they don’t

They can’t do anything against discord, but still can against the people

[stray elm]

You really think they're going to join the discord, and 'NOT' be banned by the admins?

[tranquil coyote]

Ik but my point is they just don’t ever enforce it whatsoever, never heard of someone getting banned for doing trades for money

[stray elm]

I have.
It's just rare

[blissful perch]

Probably…but the outcome is the same. Don’t host what you can’t enforce imo

[tranquil coyote]

I hope they have better enforcement on servers for ark 2

[stray elm]

Gotta remember, there's only like 10 admins that have to enforce literally 100+ servers.
Really hard to find people with proof.

[blissful perch]

Proof is a big one. Any idiot can spam reports on someone they don’t like…you have to be extremely careful to avoid false positives

[stray elm]

Yep

[blissful perch]

See: new world AI reporting

[stray elm]

This is why i think they should cut back on the servers in ARK-2.

ARK is far from a dead game.
But the community spreads to low-pop servers then it's either easier to build, or survive.
That's no way to play a game, nor have a game.

[blissful perch]

I would say it actually is more telling on how people want to play ark

[stray elm]

You say that.
Then people will complain.

[blissful perch]

People want to play largely low pop, with some rare moments of high pop mega tribe fighting

[blissful perch]

People complain about literally anything

[stray elm]

Yep

[blissful perch]

Imo “people will complain” is not a reason for almost any choice lol

[stray elm]

I think having 20 servers with a large population would be better. (as long as the map is large enough to support it)

[tranquil coyote]

Yea that would be nice

[blissful perch]

I think it would work if the admin ship actually improved

[tranquil coyote]

Yea, it would be nice if reports were acted on not weeks after being put

I know it’s hard to act on stuff because false reports exist and there’s also just a lot of reports but still

[blissful perch]

It would be nice to have admins online often enough so they can eye witness

Possibly a true invisible “ghost” mode for stealth admin checks

[stray elm]

I also think they need to have like 2-4 people hired to specifically look through the reports.
That'd speed up stuff a lot more.

[untold ingot]

RMT transfers are against the code of conduct and will lead to a ban on this discord

[stray elm]

As example of that one person i snitched on.

[blissful perch]

You can’t catch it all, and it’s always an arms race of people sneaking things around your enforcement

Which is why I kinda like the minecraft approach so much lol

[raw skiff]

in ark 2 it would be nice if they added npc with functions, utilities and special objects mainly for those who play in single player

[blissful perch]

We’re getting Santiago in missions it sounds like

But I’m very against human NPCs in ark: I think it flies in the face of the tame based gameplay ark is all about

[untold ingot]

Hmm, if done well it could really be good. I find the concept of being able to build a civilization in a game like ark to be really intriguing, but that might just be the civ 6 in me talking lol

[blissful perch]

I think that’s a bit too much scope creep for ark

[untold ingot]

It might be lol, but personally I wouldnt complain too much if ark combined all my favorite genres into the same game lol

[stray elm]

Like Raq said, if done right. NPC's can work

I think the best course for NPC's would be if they had a settlement system. (which i unironically want)

[fiery wedge]

That would kill the game lol

[stray elm]

ARK is already apparently a "dead game" to some people

[fiery wedge]

It's dead compared to what it was before

[lavish rain]

ark in June says otherwise

[ripe cedar]

It still has higher than average player counts then this time of year basically of any previous year

[blissful perch]

But that effort spent on NPCs comes at a cost (usually to other features, many of which I see as unique features that separate ark from its competitors like rust and conan). Some day we may get the perfect civilization fantasy taming survival MMO sandbox rpg but I sense we aren’t there yet

[stray elm]

I am willing to pay the cost

[blissful perch]

You have a half million lying around?

[ripe cedar]

Human npc dont make much sense to me because thats the role that other players are supposed to fill

[stray elm]

Maybe. 👀

[untold totem]

Plus dinos does the same thing but bigger

[stray elm]

No shit

[blissful perch]

I’d much prefer a curated singleplayer mode than human NPCs that make singleplayer easier

[untold totem]

That kinda defeats the purpose of a "sandbox" if it's curated

[stray elm]

Damn Shifter, now i want them even more after you said "civilization fantasy taming survival MMO sandbox rpg"
Basically my dream game.

[blissful perch]

Bosses are made easier, exp is higher, tame max levels are higher…and that’s just some of the ark 1 changes to SP

Curated doesn’t mean perfectly structured, it just means hand designed for a specific purpose…in this case to play alone lol

[blissful perch]

I’d like it too, but the industry isn’t there yet. Imagine ark 6 which has evolution of new traits over time and realistic ecosystems and ecology that adapt to things like fires, floods, and deforestation

[untold totem]

So you mean... Adjustable sliders, that is pretty much available in all SP games

Unless I am missing something

[stray elm]

And settlements!

[blissful perch]

SP “default” is instantly different through the checkbox for SP. that’s what I’m referring to. The suite of settings and internal changes made that specifically benefit SP beyond basic rates sliders

[untold totem]

I am sure that Exist somewhere where the thing you are trying to survive is your town

I have to rewatch JadePG's news

Ninja'd

[blissful perch]

There’s a ton of games out there right now in the survival city/town builder genre

[stray elm]

Yeah, they probably do. But not as well as ARK

[blissful perch]

And they do it better than ark does (because ark doesn’t do it at all lol)

[stray elm]

Yes.
But they're not survival, nor have mass taming like ARK does

[blissful perch]

Many are survival, where you have to eat and survive against the environment while you build up a town/city and recruit NPCs

[stray elm]

But taming!

And they're not ARK

[blissful perch]

Mass taming tho is very rare, it’s one of ark’s definitional traits

[stray elm]

Yes

[blissful perch]

But the Aratai imo are the start of NPC camps in the series, but in a game where space is already at a premium between players on official I doubt people will accept the addition of player fostered NPC settlements

[stray elm]

Hmmmmmm
People say the same thing with the souls-combat, so we'll see

[blissful perch]

People are salty about souls combat because it’s not ark 1 combat

My concern with NPC settlements in ark 2 (especially if made by players) is that they stress the already heavily limited resource of available map space

[split dove]

we shall wait for the people crying about doing combat with more than ''spam leftclick''

[blissful perch]

I think a RuneScape option would be interesting for PvE lol, then you could do NPC settlements no sweat. That is to say ban building everywhere but a special “build zone” that every player has access to (or tribe) that’s off the map and requires a teleport

[stray elm]

That could work in PvE

[stray elm]

So, space is the main issue?

[blissful perch]

I would say so, beyond the obvious reality that it’s a new system that requires tons of new assets, AI, balancing, design, etc

People are gonna get irked if the map is clogged by people’s NPC settlements lol

[stray elm]

Right.
And that's why it'd be more of a later on update, or a core-feature of a DLC

[blissful perch]

Oh absolutely not. You’d have to bake this into the core design

Every map and mechanic would have to operate around settlements, that’s just how they work. It’s one of the hardest mechanics to slap into a game

[stray elm]

Not necessarily, if they go with limiting the whole transfer system.
Could be an exclusive feature to a DLC, and see how people react to it.

[blissful perch]

Yes, but the same logic applies; you can’t shoehorn in a settlement system

You’d have to release this supposed DLC and basically offer it as “ark 2 but jk it’s a totally different game”

[stray elm]

True.

I guess we'll see if any modders make a system like that, and how the community reacts to it.

[blissful perch]

I think it’s a great place for mods to step in, but on official I can’t see it working

Unless again you found a way to split out and guarantee players could always find room to build…because people are gonna get instantly pissed at maps being clogged with NPC settlements otherwise

[stray elm]

Meh, if anything. It gets popular and they could add it as a core-feature in a ARK-3. ☕

[blissful perch]

It’s possible. It’s gonna boil down to if they keep the PvP focus like they have for ark 1 and 2

If they make ark 3 PvE focused with PvP as a side mode, settlements seem much more plausible. Same if they lean hard into the MMORPG and find ways to grant players “plots” outside the map

[stray elm]

Well, you can make a settlement based PvP game.

Again, a example is Conan.

[blissful perch]

I can’t speak for Conan’s map and land use system

[split dove]

i suppose we will find out more later on, for now it's fun to speculate ;3

[stray elm]

It also depends if ARK-2's map is grid based like Atlas

[blissful perch]

Oh yikes to a grid system

[stray elm]

Yeah

But that would solve the space issue to a degree. xD

[blissful perch]

Well it could also generate the massive suite of problems the grid caused to atlas gamers lol

[stray elm]

The issues are also due to the fact Atlas is built off of ARK's coding

And a single grid is the size of The fucking Island in ARK-1.
So it wouldn't need to be as large as Atlas if it's all land

So, a good 6x6 grid could work

[blissful perch]

People loathed the claim system, they loathed people cheesing it, they loathed megas spam claiming and locking people out…it wasn’t all shoddy code

[stray elm]

That was also due to the poor claim system.
You should only allow to have one, large area to a whole tribe. That's it.

And it should be instant like any other structure. Not fucking pumping money into it.

[blissful perch]

🤷‍♂️ The easiest counter argument is that idk if I want to go searching for solos and all their infinite claims

[stray elm]

That's why i stated 'one per tribe'
In Atlas, there's no claim limit

[blissful perch]

I assumed one claim per tribe. If I’m solo myself it means a stupid long search to get started and if I’m in a mega I’m just splitting into sub megas and claiming more

[stray elm]

True

But that's kind of no different then how it already is, with claiming spots with pillars

[blissful perch]

It’s a major problem official networks have to manage. Idk what they’ve thought of for ark 2

[stray elm]

True

Anyway.
I want to be able to go around random peoples bases and say "Another settlement needs your help. I'll mark it on your map"

[high osprey]

Who knows when exact release is?

[tropic forge]

wildcard

[high osprey]

Lol

I think they dont to

[south lance]

Bet they dont either

[high osprey]

Ye

[tropic forge]

pretty sure they do cause they are the ones that will update steam page to sell the game

[high osprey]

Im gonna buy it 100%

[high osprey]

Its not even finished

[tropic forge]

but that wasent your question, you ask "who knows when exact release is?" and i answer you

[high osprey]

Ok

[tropic forge]

as for my opinion of the game state i would dare say its about 20% done by now

[high osprey]

Yes

[ripe cedar]

I dont think they do know the exact date, they probably have a range of a month or two when they want to release it but i doubt theres a specific day yet

[mighty lion]

Thank you sir lol

I think a hut or station base NPC system would be simple enough to implement with a similar build system to ark 1, especially if you dont have them free roam.

[blissful perch]

Like the S+ nanny?

[mighty lion]

In a way. I was thinking more of a mixture of fallouts settlement system and far cry's encampment system. Where the NPCs are restricted to the hut or immediate surrounding area.
Far cry:

1. Limited number of huts
2. Different crafting requirements for each.
3. Can provide services like crafting, resource maps, or store.
   Fallout:
4. Need to recruit settlers, whether my mission , random encounter, or settlement reputation.
5. Need to keep them happy ( food, etc).
6. Can periodically find resources, tend nearby crops, operate stationary defenses.

In practice it would be an NPC system you can utilize or ignore completely if you want to.

[stray elm]

This is all i want with NPC's

[royal wyvern]

Another successful day of ark completed. Now to watch Syntac and Shane the Shadow vids.

[untold ingot]

I feel like this will be a necessity for any non dino/aratai npcs in ark2. I think a lot of people (myself included) would be a little dissapointed if the entire game revolved around human npcs. I wouldnt be upset if they added them and they were done well, I just want to be able to ignore them if I want to

[stray elm]

Understandable.

[ripe cedar]

I thought your last profile pic was bad but this one is a whole new level

[stray elm]

I get more cursed as time goes on

And with that, more powerful!

[ripe cedar]

Cant wait for ark 2 most cursed character creator

[stray elm]

Please, Wildcard.
Give us even more cursed characters

[ripe cedar]

Anyway i have multiple hours left on this flight so plenty of time to chat about stuff

[stray elm]

I want Saints-Row level of cursed

[mighty lion]

I agree

[pearl yew]

ark2 should have non dino servers

[stray elm]

[wanton pike]

Nah lol this shits probably been in development for years and they gave it another year before releasing it, no way it’s only for 20% done by now

[untold totem]

Just make your own unofficial server

ARK is not ARK without dinos

[wanton pike]

Maybe he means maps that only have alien wildlife or fantasy based creatures

[mint swan]

Hey does anyone have a server i can join?

[wanton pike]

Id like to see that besides maps with dinosaurs

[stray elm]

Soooo, every single map basically past The Island?

[untold totem]

Still considered "dinos"

[stray elm]

I hate how the community has normalized the term 'dino' to be everything.......

[wanton pike]

Yes hahaah

That’s what I just thought 😂

[untold totem]

Morellatops is technically considered as a fantasy creature

[mint swan]

Does anyone have a server i can join

[stray elm]

It's like "I didn't know there where fucking reapers back then."

[stray elm]

#735196267373920286

[wanton pike]

Where are their bones right 😂

[stray elm]

#800538767252389888 #800538816691699722 I meant

[untold totem]

No servers for ARK 2 yet

[stray elm]

Nah, it's cause they had exoskeletons.

That's why we can't find fossilized reapers

[untold totem]

Arthropleura sends it's regards

[wanton pike]

You can find fossilized exoskeletons though

[stray elm]

Yes.
But reapers are special

Cause they're a dinosaur

[wanton pike]

Dinosaurs didn’t have exoskeletons

[untold totem]

Soft exoskeletons exist

[stray elm]

No shit.

[untold totem]

How else the Anky turns into a Helicopter after it dies

[wanton pike]

Thought I’d go along with you

Heard something about the Aratai being able to ride dinosaurs and fight with them aswel. What are your thoughts on that?

[untold totem]

Basically like the minions of the Master Controller, I don't mind this

It would be awesome if you can steal their tame GTA style

The modder managed to made it happen in ARK 1

[wanton pike]

Steal their tame gta style 😂

[untold totem]

Yoink that Ork out and the tame is mine

[wanton pike]

If it’s a big tame like a Rex than it’s going to be hard

[untold totem]

Grappling Hook dismount... If you are accurate enough

It would be nice to keep both ATLAS (handheld with arching) and ARK (accurate with crossbow)'s type of Grappling Hook

[wanton pike]

I do hope we will get something like a grappling hook again yeh

[blissful perch]

Do you think this would be low impact enough and small enough to not run into the issue I mentioned above about maps already being difficult for players to find space to build on? I’m curious

[blissful perch]

I’d only accept it if you could kill all the Aratai then try to tame from scratch their remaining unridden mounts

Because it kinda violates tame logic if you kill a rider and the tame is suddenly wild again…but maybe in the case of Aratai if you wipe them all you can try your hand at changing a tame’s allegiance

[blissful perch]

I don’t…I think ark 1’s grappling hook was ok in ark 1 but for ark 2 where we supposedly have parkour and better movement i don’t want to see all the other mechanics (yanking players, instant overburdening tames, instantly getting out of harms way, cheesing caves by spider manning, etc) associated with them come back

[untold totem]

It works in ATLAS which is basically pirated ARK 1 anyways

[blissful perch]

Does atlas have parkour? If not, the comparison is moot. I’m saying because of ark 2 parkour the ark 1 grappling hook doesn’t add much beyond the drawbacks I stated

[untold totem]

What the modder did is if you kill the rider and spare the tame then the tame is yours to keep, given the tame is already aggressive

I would like to add the Andrew minigame as a process to make the tame change alligence

[blissful perch]

Right, I don’t want this. Otherwise you just wack the Aratai riders and the raid effectively gets nerfed because the tames aren’t still “allied to them”

[dapper hamlet]

will ark 2 be out early next year or late does anyone have a geuss

[blissful perch]

Assume December, be surprised if it isn’t

[wispy sierra]

I think Septemburary 45th

[split dove]

noo, that assumption is way to early

[wanton pike]

I reckon it can still be nice to have though, but it shouldn’t be made like in ark 1 where you can just shoot them non stop.

[ripe cedar]

I think dont assume any specific part of the year just assume mid feb-december

[wispy sierra]

u right, more likely Janugust 57th or so and so

[split dove]

that's a bit better

[winged dome]

Xbox Showcase seemed to suggest early half of 2023, but that's no guarantee

[blissful perch]

A much slower projectile for the hook could work, I’ll concede

[mint swan]

how much game price sell ARK2 at steam?

[marble basin]

Yes

[mint swan]

i m poor , I will save money from now for buy ARK2 latter 😛

[pearl yew]

ark becomes kark without dinos >:D

[blissful perch]

Ark without dinosaurs would be…pretty similar in the land and seas. You’d mostly be ruining the beach bob experience and the stuff like rexes and gigas. Swamps often only have dilos and barys for dinosaur representation lol so they wouldn’t be changed much either

[wispy sierra]

aren't like 70% of the creatures dinosaurs

[lavish rain]

Not at all

Most of the DLC creatures are fantasy

In fact, I could count with 1 hand how many true dinosaurs came out as dlcs

[wispy sierra]

ye but each DLC adds like 10 creatues to the roster

[lavish rain]

Yeah

That's quite a bit

Andrewsarchus, amargasaurus, dinopithicus (not sure about that one) sinmacrops, deinonychus,

Oh right tropeo

Still, only 6

[wispy sierra]

my point is base ark had like 100+ dinosaurs

[lavish rain]

No it didn't

[wispy sierra]

lemme actually go fact check this

[lavish rain]

Please do

[blissful perch]

Of those only 2 are dinosaurs

Sinomacrops might actually be one: I’d need to confirm it isn’t an early toothed bird and is actually a dinosaur though

[lavish rain]

Yeah

I know andrewsarchus and amargasaurus as facts though

[blissful perch]

But the ark’s are covered in prehistoric creatures that aren’t dinosaurs…it’s actually been shifting away from hard dinosaurs for a while tho

[wispy sierra]

apparently i am just extremely dumb

[lavish rain]

And deinonychus and tropeo

[blissful perch]

But andrews isn’t a dinosaur, hopefully we agree

[wispy sierra]

tropeo is a pterosaur so not technically a dinosaur

[lavish rain]

I mean we will go with "prehistoric" to make it easier

But you are correct

[blissful perch]

Well when someone says “no dinosaurs” I have to take it literally lol

[wispy sierra]

that changes a bit

[lavish rain]

All the mammals aren't dinosaurs

That's a pretty big roster

[blissful perch]

Neither are any pterosaurs or sea reptiles

[lavish rain]

We will go with prehistoric to make things easier

[blissful perch]

That’s a big chunk of the roster for sure

[lavish rain]

Probably about half

They added a lot of fantasy in the dlcs

[wispy sierra]

slightly more than half

[blissful perch]

I assume we’re looking at tamable roster? Or just “anything that spawns”?

[wispy sierra]

anything

[lavish rain]

Ye

What did prehistoric jellyfish look like?

[wispy sierra]

so yeah, the majority of the roster is still prehistoric

[wispy sierra]

they looked like modern jellyfish. they haven;t evolved that much

[lavish rain]

Sea tyrtles still munch on them

Then again they are practically living water

[blissful perch]

Many shapes and sizes; contrary to sandwich’s statement lol

But they fossilize terribly so who knows how many we’ll never know about

[lavish rain]

Explains it

So would the cnideria be modern?

[wispy sierra]

i meant as in, basic body structure

[blissful perch]

It could be, it has a very generic jellyfish shape

[blissful perch]

Modern Cnidaria include jellyfish and corals btw, so it’s a pretty massive group

[wispy sierra]

but im no biologist, so take that with a grain of salt

[lavish rain]

Jellyfish in ark are called cnidaria

So I wasn't referring to coral

But you are correct

[blissful perch]

Cnidaria is the name of a phylum. It’s like naming a random animal “chordate”

[lavish rain]

I know

And I hate it

[wispy sierra]

ah yes, animal

[lavish rain]

Ay it's arthropod

[wispy sierra]

this reminds me of something i saw in the new jurassic world movie

one of the characters looks at a locust and identifies it by seeing that it has "legs, thorax, and mandibles"

which is like half of all insects

[blissful perch]

laughs nervously in porifera

[lavish rain]

😂

[zinc mantle]

any news for ark2?

[blissful perch]

Pins

If it ain’t there, it isn’t there

[lavish rain]

It's just easier to say +most people actually think that

[blissful perch]

Idk when dinosaur became a term for “all extinct animals”

It makes sense to confuse other ancient reptiles with them tho, since iirc the science used to call them all dinosaurs until it was discovered that they had different evolutionary pathways

[lavish rain]

I lose brain else everytime someone calls a megatherium a dinosaur

[wispy sierra]

points at wolf

"cool feline"

basically

[lavish rain]

Speaking of which, did those actually get high from eating bugs?

[zinc mantle]

what! megatherium is not dinosaur!

[lavish rain]

It's an early mammal

[blissful perch]

That’s actually not too far off…dogs and cats are both classed under “Carnivora”

[wispy sierra]

points at bee

"cool feline"

[lavish rain]

Any mammal, pterosaur, or sea reptile is not a dinosaur

[blissful perch]

But birds are XD

[lavish rain]

Yep

Because they don't fly

I think, I fodgot

[lavish rain]

Flightless birds or all birdw

[blissful perch]

All

[lavish rain]

Fuck

[lavish rain]

Brain successfully fried

[zinc mantle]

😮

[blissful perch]

Archosaurs -> dinosaurs -> some therapods (specifically) became brides by the mid Jurassic -> all birds came from that first bird

[mighty lion]

I think it would. Restricting them to the hut or immediate area, limiting the number of huts of a certain type, making the crafting requirements non trivial and unique,needing NPCs to be recruited in some way, and NPCs requiring upkeep would all prevent NPC spam across the server.

[blissful perch]

You don’t think people would just clog all the solo base locations with themselves and their NPCs to try to profit off NPCs?

[mighty lion]

You mean create alts and spam them?

[lavish rain]

Limit NPC numbers

[mighty lion]

I think youd need a reasonably sized base for the huts, which plays into the layout system

[blissful perch]

I was thinking generally but that’s also a worry

[mighty lion]

I'm sure solo player will want NPCs, but the upkeep and number limit required would limit them being used like pillar spam

[wispy sierra]

It’s weird how people used the term dinosaur for every rehistoric creature, I guess it’s just because the most popular and well-known creatures of the past are dinosaurs

[mighty lion]

I think it's just not well known and often referred to in the extinct context

[blissful perch]

The less you know the easier it is to be wrong

I’ve talked to folks who don’t think insects are animals. Lots of people think pests ≠ animals

[lavish rain]

Honestly it's hard to say and kind of nerdy to classify it correctly

[lavish rain]

What was their argument

[blissful perch]

Or invertebrates aren’t animals

laughs in Chordates (animals with spines) being one of most rare animals

[lavish rain]

What are they then? Produst?

[wispy sierra]

As have i

[blissful perch]

Animals 😂. But to them they tend to get confused

[wispy sierra]

I guess, less sentient so not animal?

Except nowhere in the description for animal does it list a required level of sentience

[blissful perch]

Some people do incorrectly classify protists as animals

[wispy sierra]

I almost read protesters

[mighty lion]

That too

[lavish rain]

For some people yeah

[tropic crag]

But protesters are animals, I mean have you SEEN them? /j

[lavish rain]

Most people forget protests exist

[blissful perch]

Protists LMAO

[lavish rain]

Fml

[lavish rain]

Point still stands

[blissful perch]

I’d love to see sponge as an ark 2 resource

Reason: idk it’s cool

[lavish rain]

God no

I need not reasons to go underwater

[blissful perch]

I want more tidal flats

Ever see a big stretch of knee/waist deep sea grass? I want that

[lavish rain]

So, tsunamis for early game disasters, yet or nah

[blissful perch]

I’m not sure beaches will be the same start we’re all used to from ark 1

[lavish rain]

Still

We need early game natural disasterd

[blissful perch]

Tides would be sick tho

[lavish rain]

If you progress to slow you get wiped

[fiery wedge]

People already do that

[lavish rain]

In PVE

[fiery wedge]

I don't think the PvE community would be very happy about that...

[lavish rain]

I would

Wipe dem bobs

[blissful perch]

Aratai will probably do that

[fiery wedge]

I feel like they'll just wander around and be aggressive instead of attack your base

[mighty lion]

I'd be down for tidal flats if it provided cool building mechanics and resources

Like let me trap fish with an ancient tide V trap

[blissful perch]

I’m already in love

You also suggest something insanely cool. Specialized biome buildings (tree taps and gas extractors are examples of something close, but it would be even cooler if something like the fish trap you mention was playable anywhere on the coast IN a certain biome)

[tropic crag]

I kinda assume that's going to be a thing, in a way, since they already leaned into it so hard with Scorched and showed interest in doing so in the future. Also just kinda the temperature system and how it amplified the coolness or heat of a specific zone

[wind spruce]

can someone @ me to a brief summary of what ark 2 will feel/look like compared to ark now

[tropic crag]

With particular structure types

[blissful perch]

Pins of this channel 🙂

[wind spruce]

thnx

[blissful perch]

I think the only biome specific thing in the entire game was the windmill, and it followed a biome static “wind” value that only changes on a couple maps when there’s weather (I think only rag and SE)

[tropic crag]

There's definitely more than just Rag and Scorched that have wind, but I meant like the fact that you have to either use or insulate your base with adobe in Scorched, as an example of biome specific structures (viewing Scorched as a sort of complete map biome, I guess 😅 )

[tropic crag]

That also plays into my hopes for Ark 2 biomes, that they'll go the route of Scorched and/or Aberration, where the map has an overtly obvious theme (forest, mountain/snow, desert, cave, ocean, etc.) and then have offshoot biomes from there, as opposed to them having literally every biome on one map like every single map since Aberration was released did.

I really don't like the idea of having it be like Atlas either, where they have the maps be in the same worldspace and traversable via a barrier or released as DLCs and tacked on to the current map, akin to the redwoods back when that was added to The Island and The Center

That's the worst case scenario to me, the Atlas route. I'd be fine with the tried and true method of all (or most of) the biomes in every map, if they didn't want to take that risk of having another Scorched (which I could understand), they are taking a lot of risks so far with all the changes they have planned. I just hope they do the biomes justice and don't have them feel too crowded. Maybe having bigger maps in general will help with that feeling, though, since they can spread them out a bit more and have there be more tundra-y areas (like there should have been on The Island.)

[lavish rain]

Primary primitive, 3rd person only, component crafting, advanced movement, souls combat, hostile PVE threat (aratai) sense based hunting, skill tree

[blissful perch]

I think it works to have maps like SE when you have fliers that make maps look small. On maps like Ab they had a lot of unique sub biomes within the three major ones (four if you count the surface) that are small but appear larger because there are no fliers, and I think both formats work. For ark 2 local weather beyond a temperature stat would certainly help incentivize different building behavior or the use of certain structures/gear/playstyles to handle it

But imo biomes should feel more separate. On maps like Fjordur distance, color palette, spawns, and temperature kinda work because it’s a community map that’s sorta meant to be a bit jack of all trades

Whereas ark 2 imo should really seek to avoid shoehorning in random environments, but should also seek to make you want to explore the ones you’re in. Ark 1 snow biomes don’t get MORE interesting at the interior, they usually just get slightly colder. A good biome system may incentivize you to explore deep into the jungle for something as opposed to skirting the edges

[bitter kelp]

I agree, i think the best way to make an environment feel more fleshed out is to make it map-sized, and to have a bunch of sub-biomes (like Aberration did, and like the island sorta did)

Also, as much as I like the convenience of some fliers, it does feel like cheating once you get an argentavis. It’s the same way most open-world games feel very small when they add extensive fast-travel (Breath of the Wild my beloved)

[blissful perch]

Fast travel works well in that it shrinks the parts of the game you explored and keeps the parts you haven’t large

[tropic crag]

Unlockable fast travel and/or non-exact fast travel (ala BotW) is good. Start of the game, go anywhere you want fast travel is bad. That's my take

[untold ingot]

I think fast travel in a open world raid oriented pvp game like ark is a bad idea honestly

Just look at the fjord hawks and people's reactions to them

[rotund grail]

God I want ark 2 now 😫

[vagrant tangle]

SAmeeee

[blissful perch]

I’m hoping this is them experimenting with keep inventory on death

[mighty lion]

I liked the random teleportation effect that occurred when an enemy players where at the teleport point. Helped stop ambushes, but I'd like to see them do the same with enemy turrets

Spawning into a random turret tower was not fun

[blissful perch]

I think fast travel will likely resemble teleports but ideally with some mild improvements

I do think fjordhawks are a good sign. It shows WC is looking at ways to not make death as miserable. Maybe we’ll see a slot or weight cap on what can be saved after death in ark 2

[mighty lion]

Can you shoot down or follow a fjord hawk?