ark-animated-series

[pine trout]

||Also Nerva has become one of my favourite villains of all time||

[prisma oxide]

He might've defrosted my cold jaded heart a little.

Nerva is so well written. He's exactly the way he's portrayed in the notes. It's so good. He's not wrong either. Just a product of his time which they address straight out the gate.

[pine trout]

He’s also intimidating but not invincible

[prisma oxide]

He's respectable. Which is why I think peeps are unsure about Rockwell at the moment. They know game Rockwell, but the show hasn't really given him any reason to be respected or cared about like in the games.

Whats great is how they showcase Nervas intelligence by ||calling out Rockwells character to an absolute T in that opening dialogue of element 5.||

It's sooo good. Such great acting. 100% believable in my opinion. Sign me up for more of that.

[modest urchin]

That’s why he’s such a good villain

He’s the kind of character you want to see both succeed and fail at the same time

[prisma oxide]

Same as game Rockwell for a bit. It gets to the point where you can't support him, but it's so easy to see how he got where he did. Yet another reason why they may be putting Rockwell aside to let Nerva have his time to shine.

[modest urchin]

Island Rockwell was a sleazbag but he still had somewhat redeemable qualities to him

But scorched onward he’s a bastard

[prisma oxide]

I think one of things that gets me about his character, and I'm not saying I agree with what he did, I just appreciate how he was written, is how human he was.

Amazing as it is, the further away he got from the human form the more and more human he seemed to become. Succumbing to very real problems. Confusion... Fear... All of that so perfectly represented in the Gen2 ascension montage with his final words... this hideous monster attempting to defy the laws of life, but is still just as human as his days on the Island. Horribly misguided with just a couple of small incidents that set him down the rabbit hole. Him and Helena had the same journey in a weird twisted way. Helena's was the heroic way of course, but Rockwell... he tried so hard to will his god-dom into existence in any way possible. I wonder how they'll capture that in this show...

Given the situation these people were put in, it would be so easy to see many strong people go down a similar path. Idealistically I think most of us want to be good, but given the circumstances who knows what we may actually do. Most of us would just be gone day 1, those of us that make it further would have to find ways to cope, and his method is a very real approach to coping. It starts out as growing curiosity, then morphs into misguided obsession... we see addiction everyday here.

[queen vortex]

Do we know when it’ll be released in the UK 🇬🇧. Please tag me in the reply xx

[odd zinc]

April 19th is supposed to be the next international rollout.

[queen vortex]

Thank you so much and this is a day before my birthday. What an amazing birthday present xx

[cursive burrow]

Btw who else heard the acro roar when the two rexes fought the other rex in the last episode

[crude marsh]

“the future”

[pine trout]

I did hear that, but it doesn’t other me a whole lot, movies and T.V shows always reuse sound effects

[sonic warren]

We don't talk about episode 2

[prisma oxide]

"Wanna learn?"

[fervent stag]

Ight, so with some other peoples theories and my own, I think I know how Rockwell's arc is going to go.
||Rockwell starts off as a evil asshat, due to him wanting to revive his daughter/long dead sister/childhood friend called 'Charlotte.'
He was so obsessed with reviving her, and rewriting the laws of nature during his time that he was seen as insane.
If I recall right, lobotomizing was a common thing back during this time. So due to how emotional and unstable he was, they most likely lobotomized him. Either 'that' indirectly caused him to due, or he became lobotomized, but had a 'slight' tinge of humanity left in himself to off-himself with his now horrible existence.
From what it seems like, Nerva may had survived to Scorched in the 'Coming Soon' section. Due to the hallway he's in with Rockwell that's lined with eggs remind me of wyvern eggs. (though I may be wrong)
Either way, he finds some Element. It whispers to him and promises to restore both his hand, and Charlotte.
He listens to it, and regains his hand. (we see the shot where he's running towards something, and his decapitated hand is slightly purple and scarred now)
With this, he may be able to find peace with people like Helena and realize his bad actions.
But oh no! Turns out the Element in his body is slowly converting him into a monster, reverting his was slowly redeemed character back into a villain.
During his monster form, he'll probably either will embrace it. Ruining and character arc we had beforehand, or be completely under Elements control and be constantly begging for death. Which....kind of defeats the purpose of why he mutates.||
That's my take.

[frosty dove]

||in the part 2 teaser he seemed to have stubble. nature is healing, he's getting his beard back||

[prisma oxide]

I'm sure whatever they do, I think it will most likely be well thought out, and realistic/relatable/plausible. Everything so far has had realistic motive behind it. I'd hope they don't throw that out the window to force some arc with Rockwell.

I can't wait to see what they do. I definitely get ||the Frankenstein/reanimating the dead kinda vibes though.||

[frosty dove]

also reading this currently!

[frosty dove]

i can see this happening honestly - but i still don't understand Why they changed it?

his arc was already so so good. it still alludes me that they made such major changes. but i'll give it the benefit of the doubt and wait and see. at least this isn't "canon"

[fervent stag]

Cause they wanted to.
Sadly, that seems to be the motive with most unnecessary changes in adaptations.

[frosty dove]

||yeah for sure - i'm still so sad that they canned diana. ||

[prisma oxide]

We don't know that yet.

[frosty dove]

||for sure but with mei paired with helena it's hard to think she'd be back||

[fervent stag]

Though, if it wasn't for him being a creepy fucker in episode 1, and comically evil. I'd be down for this new story.
We never understood his backstory in the game, other than he was a scholar in the 19-hundreds.
So if his motives is to rewrite the laws of nature to revive someone close to him, that's a lot more understandable of a motive.
Though, hard to feel bad for him when he assaulted Helena.

[frosty dove]

EXACTLY. like why did he creep on helena. WHAT was the point in that

[fervent stag]

I believe they confirmed her existence.
Though, unless they do some funky shit. They probably canned her romance with Mei.

[prisma oxide]

Are you kidding me? It's waaaay more realsitic that they get together. It causes more drama when Helena and Mei yin are seperated.

[frosty dove]

they were together far too quickly, and helena committed suicide due to her wife's death

i think that is worth keeping in mind. it was not long after her wife's suicide that she got with mei

it felt incredibly rushed if anything. i could see it happening but not that soon

a relationship creating more drama isn't necessarily good when said relationship isn't built up to as much. perhaps we'll see it bloom more with time but right now i'm not warmed up to it

[fervent stag]

Realism isn't always great for writing.
Especially when the previous writing was perfectly fine, and now you removed it.
Not only did you piss off people that liked it in a story perspective. But you just pissed off any actual LGBT members that could relate to their romance. Or people that opened up with their sexuality due to their romance. And now it's gone for a different one.

[frosty dove]

exactly!!!

as someone who is LGBT myself and also passionate regarding good writing, mei yin and diana were fantastically written

as was mei yin's character development. she went from cold and lonesome to caring towards her true love

[prisma oxide]

They havent removed anything... we dont enough to make any judgements about Helena and Mei Yin's relationship the same way we don't enough about Rockwells new arc.

The realism is what makes this particular story a great one.

[frosty dove]

and helena's arc would've mattered far more if, after committing suicide, she wakes up on the island, finds a reason to survive, and doesn't need to seek out another love - she can live for herself.

finding another partner right after such a heartbreaking loss is bound to end in disaster

[prisma oxide]

From our perspective, their stories happen super quickly, but the reality is we dont know how long theyve been on the island. It's debatably a pacing issue, but they dont have years to showcase all the time thats passed.

[frosty dove]

i heavily doubt it's been years

[fervent stag]

You're not thinking of future repercussions.
With this new romance, they can either do three things.
A: Mei and Helena separate after The Island, and Mei dates Diana.
This makes Mei seem like a un-reliant person. Cause she can't be dedicated in a relationship with someone if she can't see them.
B: At some point they break up. Unless this is a mutual break up, this will leave a sour taste in whoever broke the camels back.
C: Mei just flat out cheat on Helena with Diana, and they become a thing.
Soooo, unless y'all can think of other ways. They kind of wrote themselves in a corner with this one.

[frosty dove]

maybe a few months at most. but not years

[frosty dove]

polyamory but the writers would be too chicken to do it

true ending mei diana and helena polyamory 🙏

if they did that i'd shit a brick

[fervent stag]

Okay, honestly though. A polyamory relationship I'd be down with, cause at least no one would get there emotions stabbed.

[frosty dove]

exactlyy

and as someone who's poly myself i'd be thrilled to see that represented

[prisma oxide]

No, I've definitely considered the repercussions of Helena getting with Mei Yin. When Helena goes to SE and Mei Yin goes to Ab, they very much are under the assumption they may never see each other again. Helena mentions that kinda of sentiment in the SE notes. It's perfectly reasonable after some for Mei Yin to maybe move on with her life depending on whatever circumstances happen on ab.

[fervent stag]

Helena loses one wife, for two wife's.

[prisma oxide]

They don't have years to flesh these characters out.

[frosty dove]

wife stock market? wife gambling?

[fervent stag]

Next thing we know, the Gladiatrix is gonna want Helena as well.
She'll build herself a new army.

[prisma oxide]

Not this crap again. I'm out.

[fervent stag]

[frosty dove]

her army of beautiful wives

lesbians keep winning

[fresh flame]

I think that is unnecessary and wouldn't add anything to the story

[boreal atlas]

They weren’t being serious

[split maple]

anyone know how to watch the series by streaming on discord? I have a paramount account but if I try streaming it all my friend sees is all black. Or any other websites its on to stream for free?

[boreal atlas]

Doubt there are much options rn since its newly released, I also dont know if the devs mind, or want us to be sharing private sites for the show

But I would assume they wouldn’t. So you’ll have to search on your own or wait a week or month

[split maple]

Ah alr

[frosty dove]

ill be real with the mei Diana and Helena one i kind of was. Polyamory is constantly made into a joke so I'd love to see a serious and good representation.

I know it won't happen but, if only.

[clever jacinth]

Fire show

[upbeat fog]

is there any release date for season 2?

it’s weird how vin diesel as santiago is promoted so much and he’s not even in season 1

[fresh flame]

Season 1 isn't even finished yet

Literally not even halfway done

[upbeat fog]

they’re releasing new episodes?

damn i didn’t know that

[fresh flame]

13 episodes

[strange rover]

14 total.

[boreal atlas]

So when do the next episodes come out?

[vague moss]

Just finished the series, is it canon?

[feral lake]

Absolutely not, netflix woke adaptation

[fresh flame]

It's not even woke lol. They aren't pushing an agenda on you, other than maybe "don't kill people" from Helenas story

[feral lake]

Ig you havent watched the series

[fresh flame]

I did lol

They handled it very well

[feral lake]

Then id rewatch it lol

[dry raft]

Canon Santiago doesn't appear till Abb. Now they made quite some changes so he might appear before, but I doubt before season 2/3

[polar patrol]

They should add it in Netfilx its very great series and adding it to paramount is such a big waste of great Series.

[dry raft]

You don't just "add it", there are deals to be made. Companies like netflix, assuming they were ever interested, normally want some production control over the product which might've been a deal breaker, and also impossible as they started looking for a publisher after S1 and potentially 2 were already made

[polar patrol]

It's just a shortcut. There's no need to Say that they should have made a deal with companies if the outcome is the same. Even if they took some control over it, they took control of a bigger series. So, why not in ARK: The Animated Series?

[main ivy]

The ark series is so good im literally obsessed

I havent finished but wow im so intriged

[polar patrol]

Me too, i totally didn't see that coming.

[main ivy]

Honestly! Im a gay australian who loves dinosaurs! what representation LMAO

but besides from that honestly its so good so far. I love how Helena has so much struggle so far. I just finished ep 2 im tryna restrain myself from binging it. Idk about the absolute plot armour and hax with the broodmother tho LOL

[sour geyser]

Where can I watch this from Netherlands

[dry raft]

Because it was already made.

And maybe because those developing want to keep the control. Or maybe netflix never cared...all of those are possible and not mutually exclusive

[dry raft]

Secret plot armor recipe uncovered XD

If this is any indication you too can take on giant spiders (aka outside for you) fearlessly

[main ivy]

The secret to being able to fight the broodmother bare handed

[feral lake]

The broodmother fight was… something…

[timber tundra]

before they disabled grapples in the arenas you could

[opal sphinx]

Why is there 2 episode 2's ?

Which one is the good one lmao

[surreal pier]

I think its just bugged numbers on paramount. Someone else mentioned it also, while mine is in order and there are 6 different numbers and episodes.

[opal sphinx]

The thing is both episodes have slightly different descriptions and different thumbnails

[surreal pier]

Mine look like this, if that helps for the correct episodes.

[opal sphinx]

Ok guess i watched the correct one

[dense blaze]

Odd episode titles lol

[fervent stag]

Get it.
Element.

[scarlet hawk]

I do wish it was more canon complacent since some characters really got the short end of the stick (they did rockwell so dirty) but it was still really good

absolutely loving the flashbacks to Helena and Mei-yin’s past lives I think it genuinely adds so much to their character

[glacial shore]

Can u watch it on YouTube

[fervent stag]

I believe so, yes. As I think you can buy it via Paramounts channel

[polar path]

Where can I watch the animated series?

[brave patio]

If you're in US or Canada it's on Paramount+ right now

[polar path]

Ok thanks 🙏

[brave patio]

[upbeat fog]

is using a vpn canon?

like if you don’t live in US

[prisma oxide]

I don't know if anyone else has gotten contrary information, but the show appears to be number 3 in top watched shows for Paramount+ in the USA.

[upbeat fog]

what other shows do they even have

[prisma oxide]

SpongeBob and criminal minds are 1 and 2

They got star trek stuff, twilight zone I think

[surreal pier]

If you can get it to work it's fine

[frosty dove]

||after some thought, the theory makes sense that "charlotte" could be Rockwell's daughter (illustrations within his workstation of a young girl) - i just fail to understand why we'd need to substitute his whole arc for the existence of that character||

[plush cipher]

there is another way that starts with pi but paramount certainly doesnt like it

[frosty tulip]

i didn't expect the show to be so brutal

also bobs death was a little funny

[upbeat fog]

it made me cry

[frosty tulip]

but he is back on scorched

also the show kinda feels like if helena woke up on the island before she did in the games

i dont mind how they did rockwell but it takes away all his character development

also the pacing of the show isnt good at all

its too fast

but i still like

[dull ledge]

Personally

I feel like the battle w/ the Broodmother was wack as hell with how it was defeated

Like this mf really got eaten to death by spiders... 💀

[prisma oxide]

I don't think we know enough about Rockwell to truly judge his new direction. He's still the same character, just different events for him.

[dull ledge]

Well. It wasn't necessarily BAD it was just really underwhelming

[frosty tulip]

true

i mean maybe like he pretends to turn so he can get closer to element on ab or something

then turns again

[prisma oxide]

I think they've definitely proven they can write characters. I'm willing to let them see what they end up doing with him.

[frosty tulip]

same

as long as the shows good

also kors monkey is called monkey

[frosty tulip]

i think that clip for the part 2 teaser where they were charging then it cuts to santiago is them charging at deformed rockwell

it kinda makes it out they are attacking santiago but i doubt that

im pretty sure he is still going to be a good guy

[cloud sable]

Even if he’s not a “good” guy he will be all about family and never lose.

[frosty tulip]

Who do you think is gonna respawn more , Santiago or bob

[stable bane]

hm why i cant see the series on paramount+?!

[unborn wraith]

it should be on there

[surreal pier]

Are you in US/Canada? It has not released in other countries yet

[shell stone]

Instead of the fact that everyone on the island knows English, the show writers should've made the arm implant a translator, like it is mentioned in explorer notes

[cloud sable]

Maybe it’s already translating and that’s all you hear is English o.O

Idk I haven’t watched it yet. lol

[shell stone]

No but they speak other languages and then they say "oh, I also speak English pretty well"

[prisma oxide]

Or the implant just matrix'd the English language into their brains to prevent having confusion of why the facial animations don't match what the characters are saying at all, and get accused of shotty rigging.

[shell stone]

Yeah

It's just that in one of meiyin's explorer notes, she specifically mentions how she notices that the mouths of the people on the island moved differently than what she interprets them saying

[prisma oxide]

I hear ya. It's a tv show though, not the game.

I don't think them changing how the characters speak English is a deal breaker for me either. It was probably just not worth the runtime to explain how the game mechanic would work.

[surreal pier]

For some reason Annika's Finnish isn't actually showing any subtitles when she speaks

[prisma oxide]

That's unfortunate. I've been curious what she was saying, but hadn't tried subtitles yet. Good thing I didn't bother.

[surreal pier]

Even with subtitles on, it doesn't show. I always have them on anyway.

[elfin tartan]

maybe they didnt include them to build suspense and emotion

[cyan scaffold]

Why bob respawn ? In the trailer

[prisma oxide]

I dont think we have a reason in the show yet.

[cyan scaffold]

I love bob in the animated series

I always thought he was a soldier , since the beginning of Ark ( game )

[west cedar]

he was when he was alive alive

Vietnam i believe

[cyan scaffold]

Ww2

He say " 1944"

[west cedar]

i barely watch it lol i didnt like it

[cyan scaffold]

Why ?

[west cedar]

didnt like how the dinos looked doesnt closely go with the explorer notes version just wasnt good in my option

like they had all the scorched stuff on the island

[cyan scaffold]

Its like the fnaf multivers, the book, the games and the movie are a differents univers. Its the same things whit Ark , the game and the serie are two differents univers. And i love the animation 🤩🤌

( thanks you wildcard for this show )

[feral lake]

I like neddythenoodles series more than this

[nimble crypt]

Same

[prisma oxide]

It's amazing you could even compare the two...

[feral lake]

pretty simple

or what do you mean

[fresh flame]

She spends the whole time swearing at people

[fresh flame]

I don't recall seeing scorched stuff on the island

[west cedar]

oil jars and tents

[fresh flame]

... There is oil on the island, and making a tent as a roman is not unheard of. The premise of ark story is that you are a person capable of doing what you did before with the knowledge you had before. Having weird gameplay restrictions on the story would be a bit naive imo

[west cedar]

right its not like how the game is at all thats my point so if its not like the game and barely goes by the acual lore of the game whas the point

[fresh flame]

Having tents in the island is not counter to the ark lore

And for the most part the story does match up with an expedited version of the lore. For obvious reasons

[west cedar]

rock well didnt go mad till ab

hes already mad on there

[fresh flame]

Rockwell did betray Helena on the island, leading to her incarceration by nerva. That's in the lore. Rockwell was obsessive and willing to do anything since the island.

They simplified his character a bit, and made him whiny, but that's the extent of it

[west cedar]

they took out what made his personality it wasnt that evil at the every start he changed so unless they continue and make he like 20 times worse his character is completely out of wack

[fresh flame]

He is whiny, not worse. The lore Rockwell was just as heartless as the show one. The difference is he was mildly more polite, he was never good lol

Find me a note from the island that paints Rockwell in a good light lol

[west cedar]

i didnt say he was good i said he wasnt that bad

[fresh flame]

I say he was, he just wasn't prone to crying as much, and he wasn't nervas lacky (at the start)

Rockwell note 3, he admits to preferring to mind wipe 2 entire tribes, and chooses to side with the painted sharks because they brought him fish. Rockwell was insane since the start

[fresh flame]

Imo the only major thing that differentiates the show from the lore is a matter of chronology, mainly that Helena got to the ark after Rockwell had already joined nerva. Other than that it mostly follows the story

[solemn citrus]

How has no one been talking about the footage of part 2 of season 1 shown? It looks sick

[fresh flame]

Plenty of people have talked about it lol

[gloomy iron]

I think this show is ramping up to be a hidden gem. It’s such a masterpiece.

[tidal wagon]

I think the whole point of Rockwell is that you feel sorry for him and his decent into madness in the show I don’t feel sorry at all! To me this is some geriatric old man. Not sir Edmund Rockwell

[limpid venture]

I enjoyed it. Solid 8/10

[limpid venture]

Bob on scortched had me laughing. Kill’em again! Lmao

[fresh flame]

He was always mad. Just at the beginning he was teetering

[fervent stag]

He always had the capability to be mad/evil.
But he did start with standards on The Island.

Also, reread The Island notes.
I'm wrong. He never even made a bad remark to Helena pre-obelisk fight.
Every note that he mentioned her with, he gave her the upmost respect in his journals.

[fresh flame]

He had a wierd set of morals and code of ethics, he was pretty brutal

[fervent stag]

His code of ethics on The Island was "no unwilling subjects"
Sounds like a pretty solid ethical code to me.

[fresh flame]

And yet he willingly gave people substances that he didnt know were safe, and didnt inform them lol

[fervent stag]

He actually did inform them. He does state this.
He also went through the proper precautions with this. As he tested on monkey's first, and once it didn't kill them anymore. 'Than' he moved to willing human subjects.
If I recall right, by being one of his subjects. You got in return a favor from him. Which was a pretty big deal, as he also dealt with The Islands politics, and everyone generally liked him.

Is it also ethically wrong to ask people to try out a new substance that 'could' have the potential to progress humanity, or give them a really bad stomach ache, but you also get his favors in return? (again, really large political figure on The Island.)

If they know it's a gamble, that's on the subject that participated.

[fresh flame]

There is a group he gave lazarus chowder to that he didnt tell

[fervent stag]

Note number?

[fresh flame]

At the very start he was okay, but the further along he got more obessive

[fervent stag]

Sure, and I agree with that.
But that's what we call a 'good character arc'
Rockwell is basically the Walter White on ARK.
Starts out good, but tries to justify all of his horrible actions before he just accepts that he's bad.

[fresh flame]

Rockwell 18. He gave it to a group of hunters without saying it hadnt been tested, and he didnt tell them

[fresh flame]

He didnt start out good. He started out respected. Not the same thing

[fervent stag]

Right.
But who's going to respect TAS Rockwell when he's an ass to everyone underneath him, and was a creep to Helena?

[fresh flame]

I mean, no one. But they didnt get him wrong. They just changed cronology of helena getting to the ark to make the story more interesting. And obviously he was embellished a bit, because tv show.

[fervent stag]

You can make an interesting character that turns into a villain without needing to change it.
'Because tv show' isn't a valid reason at all.
Again, Breaking Bad. Walter White.
Was a good person, but at the end of the series he admits that he didn't do all of his horrible actions cause he wanted a future for his family. No, that was the reason he gave himself.
In reality, he did it cause he liked it. Cause it gave him control
That established that Walter was never a good person. Just conditioned in a environment where crime was looked down on.
But the moment he went into a environment that accepted crime, his true unhinged nature came out.
I'd argue a decade old show did Rockwell's character arc better in a live action show, than what they've done so far for his actual adaptation in a animated show.

[prisma oxide]

They also haven't had the time to really flesh out his character. All the other ones are so well written. Why is everyone so worried about Rockwell?

So many people act like the peeps that made his character don't understand him all of a sudden...

[fervent stag]

The beginning of someone's story is very important with writing and the audience's judgement.
The foundation they've planted for him is not promising for my personal takes on both writing and as an viewer.

'First impressions matter'

[prisma oxide]

I think the foundation is great. It may be different from what you expect, but we're all biased because of our game interpretation of Rockwell. He'll be fine.

I think they can afford to get away with adjusting his progression in tue show with how convincing Tennant is... he's still a well written character.

[fervent stag]

I may not be a good writer. But from my almost year of knowledge, this isn't really promising.
I could be wrong, but I don't see how they could salvage this.

[fervent stag]

A good VA is only as good as the writer that wrote their character.
Tennant is good, but he's had a few 'iffy' characters in the past.
Not due to him, of course not. But due to previous writers.

[fresh flame]

Big difference. TAS isnt about rockwell. Breaking bad is about walter white. So he obviously got more character development

[fervent stag]

This is honestly the only way I can see them taking Rockwell's character.
And even this sounds 'eh' compared to the game version.

[prisma oxide]

If you don't like him, you don't like him. I'm just emphasizing that you're taking such a small exposure to Rockwell and judging him based on what we know about him in game. I only care to suggest you give them a second to develop because it seems like you care about that character, as do many others. He's not dead, the writers aren't stupid, and nothing is set in stone for him.

Except for the first impression as you mentioned. Which is supposed to be jarring.

[fervent stag]

If it can work for a protagonist, it can work for the antagonist.
Rockwell, as the antagonist of the entire storyline, would/should get as much screentime as the protagonist.
And if they don't, they need to compensate by having their actions and personality be meaningful in a short amount of time.
For example, the Joker in the Dark Knight only had a runtime of around 30 minutes. With a movie runtime of above two hours.
Yet, he's up in the top-10 most beloved villains in any movie.
They can make his decent into madness while acting as a gentleman at first work with the small runtime he has, if they had tried.
I know Wildcard is talented enough to do so.

[fervent stag]

If I may ask. Have you read the message I tagged above yours?

[prisma oxide]

Yes

I believe I've read 98%+ of the stuff posted here since the show dropped.

[frosty tulip]

i think he is a same bob from the 1940s but different to bob from the island its just scorched earth also produced a bob for example like how Santiago was on ab but also the genesis ship

also if we think about it, victoria could appear on an ark, i dont want her to, but its a possibility

[prisma oxide]

If the show pulled something like that, then I'd start griping like all peeps keep doing about Mei Yin and Helena. At that point it's intentionally meant to stir the pot in a lazy way.

The current relationships still work with game lore. Adding Victoria just doesn't add enough to make it worth it, and detracts from Helenas growth as she tries to move on from Victoria's absence IMO.

[fresh flame]

Sure, which makes me think they have different plans for the character

[fresh flame]

I dint think it would be a terrible thing

[deep moat]

When I finished the first part of the animated series I got a teaser for the second part, I looked for it on youtube but can't find it. Anyone know where else I could find that teaser?

[vagrant wadi]

Just finished it. Episode 5 and 6 are so good!!

[solar hull]

W or L show?

[sly herald]

It's weird. I don't love or hate it. Not sure it was worth the wait.

[prisma oxide]

It was 100% worth the wait.

[frail current]

C'mon, did they seriously region-locked the animated series?

[golden sable]

Same

I don't like the fact that they've retconned seemingly a lot

Damn they made the tek rifle very strong

[frail current]

Oh, ok. I hadn't seen the part where it is going to be released on April for other regions.

[golden sable]

Oh that's stupid and unfortunate

[bitter stump]

there is no retcon

the series is a different continuity than the game

its the same difference between the dragonball series and the early movies

they take place in their own canon

[golden sable]

Sounds like an excuse for the continuity errors 🤷‍♂️

I like it but the pacing is quite jarring

[bitter stump]

not really? they said early on it wouldnt be a 1:1 from the game

mostly my biggest nitpick is rockwell being an @$$ out the gate

[golden sable]

Yeah that was awkward considering how he was on the island in game

At least the casting for him was perfect

[bitter stump]

i didnt think id like Nerva, but i do after the first episode

[golden sable]

I did not know that and I am disappointed now

[bitter stump]

its still the same basic story just with different details

[prisma oxide]

You could try enjoying it for what it is? It's still the same story, just different events. It also holds true to the same intent of the game lore.

[golden sable]

I am enjoying it you can be critical of something and still enjoy it

I Like what they did with the broodmother

[prisma oxide]

I don't think it's worth having misdirected criticism. You said you were disappointed. That's not really criticism anyway. It's still a really good show. All these peeps going in expecting just a retelling of the explorer notes one to one are going to be disappointed.

[golden sable]

I want to know how Helena hasn't accumulated brain damage

Also have they said when the other six episodes are releasing

Or is that completely unknown

[bitter stump]

the power of cartoon

[golden sable]

True

[prisma oxide]

She's a reconstruction of what her DNA would say her form should be. That wouldn't include damage done to her at death if you're referncing her OD-ing lol. Imagine if peeps were popping out of the ocean with their head cut off for just an extra few seconds of confusing agony.

[golden sable]

No I was talking about all the hits she takes 💀

[bitter stump]

happens across most fiction

[golden sable]

Ikik

[bitter stump]

most injuries can heal perfectly

[golden sable]

Ark has a valid reason so not unbelievable

[bitter stump]

i mean just look at Invincible

people get their shit wrekt on the regular

an episode later theyre perfectly fine

unless the plot demands otherwise

[prisma oxide]

She just slams some med brews behind the scenes.

[golden sable]

Exactly

The canonical explanation

[deft lily]

does anyone have a clip of what bob said to Helena in s1e1 about the dodo

[golden sable]

The line about dinner?

[deft lily]

yes

"do you mind not domistacating my dinner"

[golden sable]

Yeah that

[deft lily]

yea

i want to show a friend that clip cause its funny but not spoiler

[prisma oxide]

Isn't it in one of the trailers?

[golden sable]

If I knew how to take a short clip I would but I'm unsure

[bitter stump]

most streaming services have built in protections against recording or screen sharing

[golden sable]

Easy to bypass 🤷‍♂️

[bitter stump]

can bypass it yeah but idk how

[golden sable]

But that's not a conversation for here

[bitter stump]

just saying might not be easy to get a clip

[golden sable]

Give me 2 seconds I can get a clip

[prisma oxide]

Yeah, 1:54 in the Season 1 trailer

[golden sable]

If it's in the trailer then I won't bother

[bitter stump]

ah if its on youtube thats ez

[deft lily]

link plz

[bitter stump]

just search ark series trailer on youtube

not sure if we can post links not to the ark wiki here

[golden sable]

I thought all links were blocked

[bitter stump]

not from the ark wiki

[golden sable]

Neet

[bitter stump]

im guessing theres a block for non-relevant sites

[golden sable]

I would assume it's a whitelist

[bitter stump]

ye

[prisma oxide]

It's crazy how good that trailer was to me before the show launched, and just how much better the final product is than what they showed us... truly a passion project.

[bitter stump]

too many trailers show the best parts

[prisma oxide]

Part of it may just be puttin Cokers music to literally anything...

[golden sable]

I feel like that still applies here

I wonder how far the animated series will go into the story if it will stop at Extinction or continue on to the Genesis ship

[prisma oxide]

I think they'd have to soft reboot with like bob or something after extinction, then go to the new dlc and the genesis expansion being that Helena and them dont save the earth. I doubt we'd get that much even if they were to get additional seasons.

I would love to see all of it though...

[golden sable]

Same

[prisma oxide]

I'm hoping they'll release some blu-ray set or whatever with extra scenes and stuff.

[golden sable]

I highly doubt that, when was the last time movies even got re-released on Blu-ray

Movies/shows not counting anniversary releases

[prisma oxide]

I think it still happens all the time. It's the kind of thing Jeremy and Jesse seem like they'd do for something like this show. Maybe even drop a new bound dossier to go with it.

I'd buy that crap in a heartbeat...

[bitter stump]

if you watch a streamed show enough times you should get a free blu ray copy

[golden sable]

I'll sell you one right now for $60,000 🤷‍♂️

[prisma oxide]

One of the things I'm very much looking forward to in the show is the ascension montage... Given the quality of everything else I'm so excited to see how they capture the wonder of that whole experience...

[golden sable]

I wanted to say that earlier yeah I can't wait for the Ascension

Considering how they received the implant upgrade I'm looking forward to it

[prisma oxide]

That was definitely a cool way of upgrading the survivor quotient. I'm sure that's just a fraction of what the full ascension will be with that art style.

[golden sable]

Wait

Is that the tek rail gun or rifle

Rifle the scope confused me

[prisma oxide]

It's definitely a rifle, but theres definitely railgun aspects to it

[golden sable]

At least they have restored Tek to what it should be

[prisma oxide]

Yeah, they can probably represent it way more accurate to what they were hoping for in game. Well... until ab comes out...

Santiagos already just blinged out of the mothership.

[golden sable]

Wdym

Ah that

Yeah I am looking forward to that scene

[prisma oxide]

I'm looking forward to all of it. The events aren't the same, but man this show is exactly what it needed to be. A serious retelling of Ark's characters and the earths story.

[golden sable]

I would have preferred an exact retelling but as long as the tek war is animated idc

[bitter stump]

if you want a retelling check out neddy the noodle's videos

[prisma oxide]

I was literally about to say, I'm excited for Rockwells stories and what not, but Santiago's flashbacks are gonna be sick.

[golden sable]

I'm aware of them

[bitter stump]

fully voiced and game acted retelling of the notes

[golden sable]

That's one of the big ones I'm excited I hope they do it justice on what he went through

[prisma oxide]

Given everything we've seen so far, I would imagine they'll do fantastic.

[golden sable]

I feel like the pacing can be a little inconsistent I just hope they don't make it like a 30 second sequence

[stark nacelle]

when is ep 7

[bitter stump]

sometime

[prisma oxide]

Probably after ep 6.

Things always felt a little goofy time wise with ark though so who knows 😉

[golden sable]

They have not said

[stark nacelle]

so soon?

[golden sable]

Unlikely

[prisma oxide]

I would think no more than like 3 months. If it's more than that they might as well have just called it season 2 IMO.

[golden sable]

It depends if they made them already

We have no idea if they've made the episodes or started or what

[prisma oxide]

They supposedly have

[bitter stump]

theyre already done with the first 2 seasons

the issue has been finding a distributor

[prisma oxide]

Last I remember they were just redoing some audio stuff for part 2 of season 1

[golden sable]

Oh then surely the next episodes will release very soon as long as it does well on Paramount

As long as Paramount takes then I mean it should be soon

[prisma oxide]

It very well could be april 19th or whenever the show goes global

[golden sable]

Good point

[prisma oxide]

hopefully they fix the typo in episode 1 before they open it up to everyone.

[golden sable]

I think I know what you're talking about

[bitter stump]

its had incredibly subpar promotion

[golden sable]

As Ark always does

[prisma oxide]

Ark hasnt always had subpar promotion. I think in this case its because of it just being an NA release. I imagine they'll make a bigger show of it when it opens up

[bitter stump]

i mean they drop it without fanfare or even an announcement

[golden sable]

^

[bitter stump]

the most wc have done is a mod and new explorer notes because it dropped

[golden sable]

I have seen one ad banner for it and I'm pretty sure it was on Paramount

[prisma oxide]

Right but thats because its only available in NA. They may be saving their big promo stuff for when everyone has access.

[bitter stump]

either they really have no marketing team or theres some bs behind the scenes

[golden sable]

I'm on the side of they have no marketing team

Because even ASA was barely marketed and most the community didn't even know about it

[prisma oxide]

It's not the same people that handle the game advertisement vs the show advertisment

They definitely couldve made a bigger show in the crunch and on the day of, but once again, it's probably because they know that not everyone will have access, and theyd get backlash for hyping it up to peeps that cant watch.

[golden sable]

I would say but they would be advertising to their biggest market but I don't know who their biggest market actually is

[bitter stump]

even paramount+ did little to nothing to advertise it

[prisma oxide]

It's possible it was just a goof up between Paramount and the creators with what date was what, and WC wasn't ready to go all big on promotion just yet.

There was all the leaking and what not beforehand

[golden sable]

We will see I suppose

[prisma oxide]

Yeah if Jeremy and Jesse cant afford to promote it too much then hopefully the cast will at least be like... "Yo, I helped produce this, go check it out."

on twitter or whatever

[golden sable]

||Rockwell losses his hand?? Dose that happen in the notes or am I miss remembering||

[prisma oxide]

Nah, it's new

[golden sable]

Okay that's what I thought

[prisma oxide]

Well... as far as we know it doesnt happen in game.

[golden sable]

I'm pretty sure he's shown in a couple notes to have both hands

[fervent stag]

It doesn't.
It's the same hand that he injects molten Element into that later mutates.

[golden sable]

Yeah I thought so I wonder how they're going to adapt that

[fervent stag]

Which in the ||end sequence of ep6, you see his hand regrown by Element.||

[golden sable]

Oh I'm getting to the end of six right now so I haven't seen that yet (I don't mind the spoiler I would not have clicked on it otherwise)

[prisma oxide]

I don't if I go as far to say its the same hand. Pretty sure he injects the left arm. Doesnt he lose his right hand?

[golden sable]

My tts bugging

No that was his left

[fervent stag]

He never loses a hand in the notes.

[prisma oxide]

Yes I know...

[golden sable]

They accelerated their relationship by a fuck ton

Damn

[fervent stag]

Who's?

[golden sable]

Helena and may lien

I know I spelled it wrong also scorched Earth we already see nice

[fervent stag]

They didn't accelerate it.
They changed it.

[golden sable]

You're right I remember now

Cuz I was just thinking about Extinction as I was typing that and remember it now

Holy shit they have a lot animated already

||Tek bow Early||

I hope they make the overseer look very, advanced

During episode 6 I can't really tell what it is but I think it is a giga but it could also easily be a carchar?

[fervent stag]

Oh, wonderful.

Think they broke the note menu in ASE.
Can't check on Rockwell

[prisma oxide]

Yeah he definitely || loses his right hand in the show, I'm having a hard time finding the note with the image to which arm he injected. I was pretty sure it was the left. Not that it matters.

I hadn't considered that one freakout scene where's he's yelling "give it to me" or whatever is post having it cut off and potentially regrown. There's definitely something on his hand could be blood, could be purple squirt. I kinda figured that was some flashback thing or something to when he betrayed the alliance, or whatever. I guess we'll see.||

Nah it is right in the notes too. Interesting.

[fervent stag]

You see, if you read my totally-not-long paragraph above, you'd know that that's most likely Element. (jk)

[prisma oxide]

I've read every message my dude.

[fervent stag]

So yeah, they're probably accelerating the plot forward by 'a lot'

[prisma oxide]

I'm just not convinced thats exactly whats happening.

I said it could be element, or it could just be blood from some other event

[fervent stag]

It certainly ain't shading of the lighting.
His right hand is purple, his left is peachy-white.
It's 100% Element as he most likely found some, and regrew it back.

With this knowledge, he'll probably spiral down a rabbit hole of trying to revive his daughter.

[prisma oxide]

||His stump was exposed to element, and that is clear. I'm just saying the only other time we see him with that hand is in the scene I mentioned, and I'm not entirely convinced it's post having it cutoff. Although, it could be. There's is definitely enough fog or whatever it is to disguise it. ||

[fervent stag]

[fervent stag]

Ight, we disagree a lot.
But we can both agree that people arguing about 'woke shit' is dumb, right?

[prisma oxide]

I try not to acknowledge the kids...

[fervent stag]

Sad part is, some of them are probably adults.

[prisma oxide]

They'll figure it out, and I don't want to have my stuff deleted.

[fervent stag]

You say this, while all of the lesbian aspects where part of the games canon before the show came out.

All the way back in 2017.

Read the notes.

[prisma oxide]

🤦‍♂️

[fervent stag]

The game has collectable notes that you can learn the lore from.
It's the double xp-boost

There's a whole menu in-game that's dedicated to notes.

Most peoples personalities are centered around their sexuality.
It's why marriage exists.

[prisma oxide]

Gee, Mei Yin really did just go absolutely apeshit on Rockwell after he killed her boyfriend on ab... so crazy... oh wait.. thats not what happened... it was Diana he killed... A girl.

[fervent stag]

Cause the game's 'story' has little to actually do with dinosaurs. And has to do with peoples personal stories and the world building outside of dinosaurs.

The map Extinction is literally set on a post-apocalyptic Earth.

[prisma oxide]

Are you wanting an actual reason, or are you just preaching? Cause there's actually strong reasons why they would do it with Ark.

It's actually because of this very situation... all of this damn hate in world for dumb stuff. It's literally what kills the planet in the game...

[fervent stag]

I'd much rather try to talk of ones perspective and see the 'why' they see something shitty, than shit on them.
Being an ass only makes the person with the opinion more stead fast in their opinion.

[fervent stag]

The message of what Marc was trying to write was politics, not humanity, are bad.
Faulty system caused humanities extinction. With faulty leaders. (Nerva for example)

[prisma oxide]

Sure, but element is quite literally an allegory for greed, or money, or just flat out hate in general. It's how it was manipulated by both sides that led to earths death.

[fervent stag]

Correct!
And while humanity in general wanted to advance and become more peaceful (as seen with individuals like Helena) we have political figures that where absorbed by the greed that came with Element.

ARK's story when you look in the broader picture is a very pro-human story.

[prisma oxide]

Right, we're not in disagreement, that's why I'm saying helena is the way she is. It doesn't take a physically strong character to beat the corruption. It takes what Helena had... love and compassion. It only make sense that she would love whatever she wants to romantically.

That guy is wondering why she has to be gay or whatever, but the reality is she may very well be bi. It doesnt really matter, but love for everyone is an important part of her character.

[fervent stag]

Though, her love and compassion was her downside, as she too fell.
That love and compassion would pass onto us, with all the hate and fury of humanity.
She wasn't the one to beat Corruption, it was 'we' who did.
She just passed the torch of enlighten humanities love to a very, very pissed off species.
And now, we have love and compassion towards our own race, while having a fury of a black hole towards what destroyed our home.

[prisma oxide]

The ultimate weapon against hate... yet peeps come here spreading hate all dang day.. the creators must get some sort of sad humor at the irony of it...

[prisma oxide]

Thats where the shows makes me feel different. She wasnt able to stop KT, but she very well was responsible for it getting killed by the player. There is no way we would've without her. She literally willed our ability to do so into existence with the respawn protocol lol.

She did almost everything, we were just the meat.

[bitter stump]

i just saw the first episode but helena having married a woman isnt even that big a deal. they show them being lovey dovey to sell how broken helena is after her wife's death. could have played out exactly the same if she were married to a dude

[fervent stag]

And arguably, we also cleaned up her messes along the way.

[prisma oxide]

I used to dislike Helenas character for that... "Like, you're right this was all thanks to me... I killed KT and you hid behind Mei Yin" The insight the show has given just drastically makes her better IMO.

[fervent stag]

Well, they are separate canons.
She still is like that in the games writing.

[bitter stump]

from what i got out of the notes they couldnt beat the kt, it took everything diana and mei yin had left just to beat him back and give him a good scar

[prisma oxide]

Nah, I think the characters are the same. We just get more of their traits upfront.

There's nothing game Helena has done character-wise that I couldn't see show Helena doing now or in the future. Just the timeline is a little different. I think they really stuck true to all the characters.

[bitter stump]

having idle chats with rockwell in his manor?

[prisma oxide]

Those are events... not traits...

[prisma oxide]

So anyways, I feel like ||Nerva was already a badass in part 1, but his teaser stuff just looks so cool. Him with that Tek sword is something else... What a compelling character. Can't wait to see his history.||

[slim panther]

Anyone have a link to watch the series?

Thx @arctic token

[dry raft]

Nvm I read you only saw the first episode so I edit this and we’ll share opinions another time

Yes I agree btw it doesn’t matter who she is married to for this arc, obviously. Being that she’s lesbian is not surprising she married a woman, idk why this is still a topic for discussion tbh

[fresh flame]

So much cooler stuff to talk about, like John oneshotting a giga with a prim bow

[dry raft]

Tbf that was a quickscope and he had a good gaming chair

[fresh flame]

Had to have been

Like what other Bob in ghillie loses two rexes to a giga and doesn't rage

[cyan scaffold]

Yes

[fresh flame]

Politics isn't bad, it's literally just conversation. Politics motivated by control or greed is despicable

[clear radish]

When will the next season release is it going to take years like this one

[dry raft]

They have yet to release the second part of season 1, so I’d look forward to that first

[polar patrol]

They have the worst market I've ever seen. It's disheartening to witness a great anime without viewers.

I hope that for the second part of the season, Netflix will provide assistance. With the right marketing, the anime could really take off, along with the game itself.

[dry raft]

They have terrible marketing and PR, yes, but that's across the board and not limited to a singular project

[frosty tulip]

i hope it comes out next month with the international release

i think that would make sense

[dry raft]

That means it most likely won't

[clear radish]

With some part being is scorched earth it makes sense to realest in in that month tho

[frosty tulip]

fair enough

[frosty tulip]

yeah but wildcard dont do stuff which make sense

[clear radish]

Fair the were like weeks late on holidays this year

[arctic ingot]

19th of April is the UK release apparently

[brave patio]

Yup

[rain grove]

Guys?

[frosty python]

yees?

[iron python]

I just watched the first episode of arc the animated series and it is a goated show. I love it. even though they made Rockwell a bad guy, I still love the fact that he teams up with nervel I don’t like how the kings are but I still love it

I was bummed that it wasn’t on Netflix or HBO but then I figured out that it was on prime video and I’ve been watching it. I’m on the second episode and I’m super excited.

[frosty python]

we should be INCREDIBLY GLAD it is not on netflix or hbo

[iron python]

They cooked fr

[frosty python]

it’s hell on earth for animation over there

[iron python]

I wish they followed the notes in the game instead of making a new storie but I still like the story

All we need now is a ark movie

Lmao

[rain grove]

Is in ark:animated series are there any like political things? Im just asking

[rain grove]

FAX🔥

[frosty python]

i feel it’s actually a very good adaptation of the notes. sure there are some changes here and there but overall it’s quite loyal.

[iron python]

True

[frosty python]

of course there’s politics and messaging, all media is. could you be more specific?

[rain grove]

Whta is it there?

[frosty python]

well all media has a message, that’s just kind of how it works. there’s themes, especially on human nature. a big concept explored in this first part is on the morality of survivalism versus the ethics of empathy and such.

[surreal pier]

Pinned messages here has a lot of information on the show, as well as just this whole channel.

[rain grove]

alr i will see it later

[rain grove]

I guess thats not bad

I will wait for the series to appear in poland

[gloomy iron]

Is it bad I kinda ship Nerva and Rockwell?

[iron python]

I basically know all the characters because of the video explaining the dossiers the YouTuber is called neddythenoodle I think

[gloomy iron]

They are kinda fruity.

[dry raft]

It is lol, they hate eachother

[iron python]

wonder if there will be a session 2 since I’m sure they will want to go into scorched earth

[dry raft]

Yes, there will be

[fresh flame]

No it just shows obsession

[rain grove]

Who is nerva

[rancid basin]

I feel like a smart move would to do island trasnfers with each season or 2.

Kind of how it was in the game, but then again it takes a new story and so far it's going pretty well for me personally.

[drifting wave]

How can someone from Australia watch this show? Paramount Plus are witholding it from me, and when I turn on a VPN, it won't let me log in due to an invalid token. Any other platforms for us internationals or are we SOL?

[rancid basin]

I have one that i use, not as known tho.

but it has it's downsides

[dry raft]

It’s paid for in blood

[rancid basin]

maybe...

[dry raft]

Have you tried putting your location in Canada and not the US?

[rancid basin]

it's just a ton of ads

either way, i don't use paramount plus so idk

[drifting wave]

yeah, logging in using a Canadian tunnel does the same thing. I can try remaining logged out for a bit and see if my token resets'

[iron python]

I’m on the last episode!!!!

[frosty python]

toxic yaoi

[iron python]

I can’t get enough of the show since it’s so good

[drifting wave]

yarrr, I was starrrting to think that was me only recourse

it's complete BS that in this day and age, geoblocking of content streamed by the company that produced it is actually a thing

[dry raft]

100%, but it’s much more common than most people think - in fact it is a regular occourrence. If you travel internationally and especially intercontinentally and use some of these services it is painfully evident

[drifting wave]

well when it dropped for America, I was on a cruise ship in between Australia and New Zealand, so I expected that in not quite either one or two countries would have been an issue, but back on terra firma and still the same BS

[frosty python]

usually most countries get content a few days late or so, but i've never seen a whole month for pretty much the entire world

[drifting wave]

it really seems backward: Hey everyopne, come watch our animated series finally, oh but your not in America, so guess what, you are SOL for a month

[frosty python]

honestly i blame paramount entirely for this, as much as its fun to blame wildcard for everything, this was probably distributor choice, as well as just dropping the thing without advertising it

[drifting wave]

yeah

I don'yt blame wildcard for much, except for buggy releases and delays

however most bad decisions look to be coming from "other" sources

[dry raft]

Yeah distribution is definitely down to Paramount, though surely it will have been discussed as part of their deals. Regardless it is a thing

Not much can be done about it…and it is unclear if it’ll ever come to all the many countries that do no have Paramount at all

[frosty python]

i mean, "discussed" doesn't mean wc had much of a choice. i don't imagine they were too psyched in that board meeting. "hey, what if we... don't advertise your show, and also cut off 95% of the planet's access to it for a while. won't that be fun?"

[dry raft]

Likely they didn’t have much leverage, as if they did it wouldn’t have taken them years to find a willing publisher

[frosty python]

and honestly i'd rather it be a weirdly distributed thing by paramount and apple tv than large by netflix or max, because for all their faults apple tv and paramount don't cancel shit unless they absolutely have to

netflix would've already canceled the show for poor performance and max would just use it as a tax write off and never release it

[steel widget]

but they'd rather release Velma 💀

[frosty python]

well of course, if people exclusively hate watch something and it becomes huge, they'll keep it forever! but if something's actually good and just not entirely world-spanningly popular? just ask infinity train! oh wait you can't they deleted it completely

[dry raft]

Season 4 of “mom I want the witcher” “we have the witcher at home” is coming aswell

[drifting wave]

just don't see why they couldn't have gone with a slightly more friendly company, such as Sony/Crunchyroll, or even launched it independently. Publishers always ruin a good thing

[tardy cove]

im on last episode now and to be honest im bit disappointed it took forever to release and story is werysimplified and stripped compared to explorernotes...
helena with mei just casualy walk trough some random cave and go trough terminal and just happen to run into broothmother they beat with just wooden spears and wierd blue goo
rockwell is evil sice the begining never has any connection to helena its missing this character development
instead of helena and rockwell figuring out what artifacts are and what they do its just striped to some legend which doesent make any sense since there hasnt been anyone before them to asscend ARK so these legends could be created
its striped of all intriques if they wanted they could do way more with the story something big comparable to something big like game of thrones
and also just why would you make broothmother give them tek gun ? what happened to trophy from brooth ? are they not gonna have assencion there ?
I was hoping for something bigger... I found videos just following exploerer notes with basic ingame reconstruction of described events more interesting 😦

[fresh flame]

Ah. Yes. Why is cartoon not as intricate as a 20 year-old novel turned into a series. Great logic

[tardy cove]

and also post production 6 months on second part for 3-4 hrs of animated content ? its animation.. yes it can be tedious but I assume that there isnt just one guy working on it and you can work on it all the time you dont have to actualy prepare any real stage, get people there ...

[frosty python]

not only that, but a 7 EPIC FANTASY novel (lol) series adapted into hour long episodes. i'm afraid its just impossible to do with with 30 minute animation seasons

[tardy cove]

there is tons of stuff in notes

[frosty python]

plus, the lore of ark may be extensive, but it is NOT anything near the level of detail and stuff in a song of ice and fire

[fresh flame]

Do you produce TV shows?

[fresh flame]

And there was more in got book than in the series

[tardy cove]

you took it way too literaly I didnt mean it so literaly as you prob got it XD

[frosty python]

a song of ice and fire has currently 1.7 million words. i don't think ark lore would even hit 100K if adapted into a novel

[fresh flame]

Post production for TV shows usually take 3 months to a year it's not that uncommon

[frosty python]

i agree with your point that i would've liked there to be more, but the medium of ~15 30 minute episodes just cannot do that level of intricacy

it has to be somewhat streamlined

[tardy cove]

notes are not story its description of story that happend there are no dialogs its just monologs describing what happend to character if you wanted to follow these notes literaly youd need to still come up with lot 😄

[fresh flame]

Nah, I got what you mean. I think your expectations might have been a tad high though

[fresh flame]

Yes, and take longer to write, produce, and a much higher price

[tardy cove]

well cartoons should be way faster and easyer to produce than standard series and it took like 4 years so ...

yea I expected like 10x more xD

[frosty python]

animation takes WAY LONGER to produce than live action series

and its definitely not easier

[fresh flame]

Got also cost like 1 billion dollars. The animated show was made as a side project of some of the devs. It did not have the funding lol

[fresh flame]

This is not accurate lol

[tardy cove]

all organisation that comes with real world shootings is dropped and you can work on it all the time

[bitter stump]

animation takes so freaking long

it's a ton of work for even a minute

[fresh flame]

Shootings for a movie takes up a small small fraction of the total production time lol

[tardy cove]

yes thats what it seems like to me like devs side project they work on for fun

[frosty python]

GoT is what you get when the most popular modern epic fantasy series is given to creatives with an unlimited budget, ark is what happens when a bunch of people who like the same thing are given an okay budget and a lot of constraints

[tardy cove]

quality is good but its just insanely simplified

[fresh flame]

That's what it is. So why did you expect it to have the level of detail of a billion dollar show?

[frosty python]

when animation is given an unlimited budget and time like GoT, you get Arcane, and there's a reason that has only happened like once

[bitter stump]

check out A Fox in Space. one guy animated that and it took about seven years

[fresh flame]

It's not cost effective to do lol

It's cheaper to take nobodies off the street, put makeup on them and take a video

[tardy cove]

I said that lore ark has if it was adopted well has potecial to be comparable to got I mentioned that cuz its popular and first thing that came acros my mind

[nimble pecan]

want to watch it

want the episodes for free

[fresh flame]

Ark lore is woefully full of lack of detail, and barely constitutes a chronology.

[nimble pecan]

u are mistaken u dont know anything

[fresh flame]

Who are you?

[bitter stump]

we get broad strokes from the explorer notes

[nimble pecan]

someone that knows more than you

[bitter stump]

some small bits with more detail

[fresh flame]

Yup. Definitely not enough to fill a longer story time line for a TV series

[tardy cove]

yes details are lacking but there are described key events and key parts of them it contains the most important stuff

[fresh flame]

About what, rat toes?

[fresh flame]

Like what?

[bitter stump]

half of helena's notes are about her findings and thoughts

[fresh flame]

And that doesn't make interesting shows

No one wants to watch a documentary of a naive biologist. And that's what it would be if it strictly followed the lore

[bitter stump]

i mean, i would

but im a fan of documentaries in general

[fresh flame]

Me too, but not one about ark, when everyone and their dog already knows it's a spaceship

[tardy cove]

there is tons of potencial this series did not tap into...

[fresh flame]

Documentaries are cool because of information they provide

[fresh flame]

Welcome to the woes of every creator ever

"so much I could do, so little time, and less money"

The did good on the show, and imo exceeded expectation. It's not the odessy, but it's good

[tardy cove]

this thing was striped of all interactions of tribes and reduced to references of aliances that were and few battles

plus working of ark has been altered too

[frosty python]

i think the reason you didn’t enjoy it is your expectations were for that of a large budget show with unlimited creative freedom and the best creatives money has to offer

i went in expecting a mid grade animated adaptation of lore pages and it was much more than that, so i loved it

[tardy cove]

my expectation was to see story of the island described by explorer notes

[frosty python]

so you expected a perfectly 1:1 retelling of the notes? that would have much less content than the show does, which contradicts your earlier point that it did too little

[tardy cove]

and not 14 30min eps but 20-30 40mins episodes yes my expectation were higer xD

[tardy cove]

no following events they describe .. they dont got into details

[frosty python]

well if you went in expecting those episodes KNOWING that wasn’t the case, that’s really 100% entirely your fault for not getting that

[fresh flame]

I mean, if you at all had been following the news on the animated series, they have said 13 20-30 minute episodes for like a year and a half at least

So your expectation was based on fantasy

[tardy cove]

I wasnt I just knew its something that will happen XD I dont bother following news on any shows cuz it takes years and I cant hold information that long

[fresh flame]

Well then. You can't be too disappointed by something you weren't even wanting that much

[frosty python]

if i played an 8 hour indie video game and rated it low because id rather it be a 40 hour AAA title, its an argument in bad faith by me because i knew that was never what it was gonna be and those expectations were beyond unreasonable for what it is. i have to judge it as an 8 hour indie game.

because the basic concept of what something is is different than your concept of what it should be is not a fault of the show

[hearty shard]

were can i watch it?

[tardy cove]

I was hoping for more I like story of ark I would be happy for something more to be done with it but you are right it doesent make me feel some heavy disappointement or smthnk

the biggest disappointment I ever experienced with show was season 8 of GOT I watched whole thing few months ago and still when i see picture of daenerys I feel disappointment need to cry and rage compared to that... if that is kick in balls then my disappointment with ark series is pebble in shoe

[frosty python]

realest thing you've said all day

[bitter stump]

we all felt that

seasons 7 and 8 are what happens when the directors/writers stop giving a damn

[fresh flame]

I haven't watched it, but knowing the last book isn't out I would imagine that is what happens when untalented writers lose the story of a talented writer

[tardy cove]

ark series is not bad its good my problem with it is that its story is just too simple

[frosty python]

season 8 is what happens when you half-ass a passion project so you can go work on star wars

[tardy cove]

dont ever watch season 8 rest of thing id recomend

[fresh flame]

I don't intend to watch any of it

[bitter stump]

first four seasons are amazing

[frosty python]

thing is grrm even gave them the outlines for what to do and they just didn't care enough to adapt it well because they had a star wars movie to work on

[bitter stump]

then theres a gradual decline in 5 and 6, before running off a cliff in 7

[frosty python]

after season 8 flopped they lost the star wars job. karma.

[tardy cove]

it was going down hill there but I dont regret watching seson 7

[bitter stump]

i wont get started on the star wars sequels because ill go for hours about how bad they are

[tardy cove]

I wish I never watched season 8 if i didnt id prob like to rewatch that show eventualy but with that ... nah once was enough

[fresh flame]

Food for thought. What if tas so far is designed to get people in arms about the story and the lore, so they get trapped in the show and discussions about the show, all for them to resolve it all well later 😂

[waxen lodge]

Anyone know why i cant find it on Paramount+?
What do i have to search

[fresh flame]

Where are you

[frosty python]

what country you in

[waxen lodge]

Germany
But i tried with VPN. What country do i need to be in

[frosty python]

US or Canada

VPN should work, i've heard people saying it works

[fresh flame]

I have heard more pieple say it doesn't work

[dense blaze]

[tulip patrol]

How many episodes are there gonna be btw

I'm hearing 13-14, but some people this is already the first season done, which seems hard to believe.

[dense blaze]

14 episodes for season 1

[tulip patrol]

coolio

[primal copper]

When the new eps coming out lil bro @dark lintel

[velvet temple]

It is 13, the information you are using as a source is from over 3 years ago and has more recently been clarified to be different

[scarlet hawk]

imo 8/10 show

Beautiful animation and character designs, loved the new characters and the flashbacks, I can deal with it not being 100% lore accurate but rockwell drew such a short straw 💔

[frosty python]

i give it an 8.5 for me, i'm not a huge lore buff so i didn't find the changes grating at all

[crystal hound]

i give it a 3 due to politcal issues and lore changes

[lavish pivot]

le wokism

[bitter stump]

if you want a 1:1 retelling then watch Neddy's videos

[frosty python]

the changes in this adaptation are actually so small its ridiculous. compared to changes in most adaptations, its almost as loyal as the hunger games movies

[bitter stump]

there were some fairly big changes of events

like helena running into the legion her first day

or meeting Nerva before Mei Yin even shows up

and enough has already been said about what they did to rockwell's character

[patent flower]

It's not really changes so much as condensed.

[frosty python]

most of them have little to or no actual affect on the storyline, though, save for the changes to rockwell.

there are three types of changes in an adaptation:
the changes that need to be made
the changes you can get away with making
and the changes that completely slap the source material in the face and show that they completely missed the point or didn't care in the first place.

this show was almost all the first type, with a couple type 2s. thankfully, no type 3s

[patent flower]

Rockwell wasn't really changed. It's just like he didn't meet Helena till after he started going a lil crazy. And it could be said that it's still not changes since the notes are possibly written by a crazy guy🤭
They could have made it seamless and had it so the notes were the in-between episodes six though. But I'm not unhappy. Only a little disappointed.

Also... Who's to say Helena doesn't have another spawn? 🤭

In fact they ALL COULD

[undone junco]

Are there supposed to be clues to the locations of the notes from the series or no correlation?

[frosty python]

don't believe its been explained yet but we're only halfway through the season, so who knows

[undone junco]

Because I thought there would be hints to where the notes where verse just flying around the island in typical note hunting fashion. Hence the reason to watch the series.

[bitter stump]

check youtube

people get videos up pretty quick

[west cedar]

Really quick

[vital flax]

anoyone know if the new notes are out yet and if so where

[bitter stump]

they release one every tuesday and thursday they said

[frosty dove]

sucks that most negative reviews for ARK:TAS are in regards to it being """woke"""

[bitter stump]

protag isnt straight, must be woke

[frosty python]

i like how a lot of those reviews say "i enjoy the game" and then complain about the show making helena gay, outing them as having not played the game

[bitter stump]

because her orientation plays such a big role in the show /s

[golden sable]

@bitter stump idk if you remember the convo yesterday about the marketing but they did a thing on PlayStation

[bitter stump]

i dont have a playstation so i wouldnt have seen it

[frosty dove]

just you wait until they find out there are canon lesbians in the game. itll blow their pea brains

[bitter stump]

well, bi at least

[frosty dove]

true

still goes without saying. there are canon queer people in there

the lead is now a woman of colour (saying Now because she was initially white)

[bitter stump]

which eh, i dont really have a problem with

[frosty dove]

YEAH its good honestly

[bitter stump]

im neutral on it

[frosty dove]

i like that they changed her design- it wasnt necessary (not in a bad way) but the fact that it's the case is nice. it's nice to see a woman of colour be a lead role

[bitter stump]

mostly it just helps her character stand out

[frosty dove]

overall a net positive in my eyes

also aboriginal australian is an extremely underrepresented group in media

[iron python]

Yeah if Helena didn’t go cray cray they would’ve never wanted to kill her

[quaint needle]

New skins are so good lol thanks team!

[dry raft]

Having Helena being aboriginal works out very well for the character (even if the series only barely touched the topic, at least so far), but I do wish they had that design in mind from the start and didn’t change it like they did. It never looks good in modern times when you do something like that

[dry raft]

Facts

I am most curious to see how Rockwell will be developed in the second half of the series

[balmy ice]

I don't feel like reading everything above, but can anyone explain why the Island is different, and why the broodmother was summoned from some random cave?
Also, is respawning a thing? Or is Helena the one that creates that concept whenever ascending? Been some years so I forgot

[dry raft]

Helena will be the one making respawning possible, hence making our character’s experiences possible. Edit: or more like making controlled respawns possible, I guess
As for why they did the bosses the way they did…they condensed some events, it sucks for the part in which Helena and Rockwell would try to figure out what the obelisks are and so on, but just like any other adaptation it needs to happen to be more appealing to the media used.
It is faster paced this way which is good for a series

[balmy ice]

I guess, I could've sworn Rockwell was on good terms with Helena around the beginning, but I guess they're just making him a strict villain character

which, kind of feels bland? I dunno, it was really good though

wtf even is this statement

[dry raft]

Yeah in the original story they were on good terms initially, and he has lots of esteem for her. It is quite different in this adaptation as it is a lot more condensed

[balmy ice]

We also saw ALOT of tek in the preview, is element even going to be talked about? I don't remember them getting tek this fast

[gloomy iron]

I honestly don’t care for the game’s lore because I never saw there was lore for the game? I just see the animated series and enjoy it as is.

And Rockwell’s a fun villain.

[balmy ice]

rockwell is fine, but they should've built him off as a "nice" character from the beginning, and gradually built him into the psychotic weirdo he is

[dry raft]

Element is gonna have to be talked about, being the realest of villains. I think the second part of S1 is already gonna have some in it, as the preview hinted at Rockwell already starting to infuse himself with it

[balmy ice]

yeah i saw his limb glowing in the preview

[gloomy iron]

Also wasn’t Alan Tudyk and Malcolm McDowell supposed to be in this?

[balmy ice]

also saw scorched earth? safe to assume we're seeing ascension in the last half?

[dry raft]

It is safe to assume, I guess it would make sense for them to have divided it in 1 season per map

[balmy ice]

Also I don't remember, do the dead people "like John", respawn whenever Helena creates respawning?

i know we saw bob in scorched, thats about it

[gloomy iron]

That just sounds depressingly funny. Being pulled from the dream afterlife back into the harsh world of survival.

That’s meme material right there.

[wispy elbow]

I'm a bit confused. Did they spoiler content of the series?
Cause i have no idea what they are talking about in the announcement and (as german) if i click on the paramount link, it's just a 404 page. and there is nothing to find on the homepage. Not even a "hey, just wait until the 19th" or something, nothing.

But if i read it, it could also be some content for ASA. I rly don't understand, cause i don't follow the ASA stuff anymore.

[dry raft]

With the skins you mean? Those are characters from the series, but I don’t think they spoil much

If you don’t want to wait until the 19th to avoid spoilers it would make sense to find some other way

[wispy elbow]

i rly not sure, what i mean, cause i don't understand what they are talking about in the announcement. (even with translation XD)

So maybe u solved my riddle and they are talking about skins. They say something about Bob and Jane Letters. But yeah, the Bob stuff could mean skins. now u said that...

[dry raft]

Yeah new explorer notes, and if you find them you get some skins from the series 🙂

[wispy elbow]

oh... okay. cool. Thank u very much! ^.^

[balmy ice]

are we even getting a helena model

[oak thicket]

The ruined rockwell in the show dawg

cartoony ass villian

[arctic sedge]

Why did they release the series on paramount+ why not netflix or HBO since way more people would watch it. Almost going to guarantee they're missing out on alot more viewers and with that it will most likely be a flop.

[dry raft]

You don’t just “get to choose”, business deals are made. Also the platform has to want the show to begin with, it’s not like you can impose it to them. This is probably the best deal they could get

[arctic sedge]

Then why not post it behind a paid subscription on a youtube channel of theirs. Would have also been alot easier

[summer hatch]

Tbh HBO is just as bad as P+

The only “global” platforms per se are Netflix, Prime, Apple TV and Disney+

Disney+ is still somewhat restricted even then

[smoky lagoon]

It would be funny as hell If the dodo just took people out in the dumbest ways last time I played pvp I just had twenty dodos defending the base and like one yuty lol

[shut notch]

Paramount probably shelled out the most money

[nimble tulip]

Did the anime came out?

[red solstice]

Yes s1 is out

[west dragon]

S1, Part 1

[red solstice]

I seen like 8 episodes so I don’t know I assumed they released all at once

[west dragon]

It was 6

S1 in its entirety should be 14 episodes, going off old pinned comments from the Devs - unless the show structure changed in the last year which is possible

[red solstice]

O so when will the others be released?

[west dragon]

Soon™️

[red solstice]

Ok thanks

[lyric marsh]

yo when the new episodes of the series dropping?

[dry raft]

They haven’t said :/

[lyric marsh]

bru

[bitter stump]

they didn't even say when the first batch was going to drop, we got leaks and then it dropped unceremoniously

[dry raft]

Classic WC

[modest stratus]

Wow I just finished it, Boy what an emotional roller coaster. I ARKin Loved it!!!

[hollow anchor]

why'd bob have to die

[lyric marsh]

fr

[frosty python]

typical bob .3 seconds after going inland

[fervent stag]

Gonna assume in a writing perspective that they did it for shock value and showing how brutal The Island can be.
He is after all our first gory death in the series.

[hollow anchor]

he needs to come back

[fervent stag]

Did you watch Ep6 yet?

[frosty python]

have you finished the series?

[steel widget]

He always comes back

[hollow anchor]

yeah

[frosty python]

if you have ||it teases him showing up in scorched, probably season 2||

[fervent stag]

Then ||you'd know we see him in Scorched. : )||

||Also, I think this man is blonde now.
His hair was brown on The Island, and I don't think lighting can change your hair color to be a whole new contrast.
I'm gonna go off on a foot, and calling it now. That every ARK has a iteration of Bob on it, but with minor differences.||

||Also, the show likes to emphasize nature vs nurture.
Animals being either at their core whatever their instincts are, vs what they had to learn.
So, I'll go on another leg. And gonna call it now, that what they're doing was showing Bob as the teacher on The Island, and the man that helped Helena survive for her first few minutes. Due to The Island Bob being already on that ARK for a few weeks.
Helena though will become the teacher to Scorched Bob, as we can see he's having a rough time here.
Island Bob was more rough and tuff, while Scorched Bob might be a bit more....docile I guess? (willing to joke around) due to being more cared for than having to be 100% serious and relying on himself.||

[hearty flare]

Do you guys think ark animated series was worth the wait?

[fresh flame]

Yes

[stuck pilot]

Absolutely

[split maple]

Kinda half and half. Absolutely loved the story and the characters, but for that long of a wait for so little.

[craggy egret]

this is so cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts1tXytP1Tw

[fresh flame]

I am going to have to re-watch the show and pay attention to the music now

[frosty python]

score blew me away. wasn't the best i've ever heard but was way beyond what i was expecting

[bitter stump]

ark has always had good music

[stiff yacht]

woke

[bitter stump]

such insight

[fresh flame]

Bro only speaks 1 syllable words, he was just saying he woke up

[lyric marsh]

where can i watch the series

[surreal pier]

Paramount+, Amazon prime, or youtube with a Paramount subscription.

[lyric marsh]

o amazon prime

[surreal pier]

You have to have a Paramount subscription, but yes.

[prisma oxide]

What's cool is using both Tuba AND Cimbasso with that already beefy mcbeefcake brass section. Recording this must've been so much fun.

Makes me excited for stuff like the reworked Megapithecus theme, the Overseer theme, and subsequently the Ascension theme.

[prisma oxide]

This show just keeps on giving... ||Nervas spiel about scars to Rockwell was fantastic, and then they follow through with that with the loss of his hand. Neat.

Something I hadn't quite picked up on was that after rescuing Mei Yin, Helena is now going to have a scar on her cheek, and you can see it in the Part 2 preview. A reminder for the lessons she learned that night with her first intentional kill, and the consequences of war with the loss of John.|| Such a fantastic attention to detail considering Helena and Rockwells similarities and what makes them unique.

[fresh flame]

It's almost like the writing was purposeful

[proven lava]

I was fangirling hard when I heard the Gen2 rockwell theme when his character was on screen. That theme is by far my favorite within the franchise.

[prisma oxide]

It's a whole lot of effort just to promote some, "wOkE aGeNdA," or whatever the hate complaint of the day is...

[fresh flame]

Yeah it doesn't make sense. There isn't even woke agenda in the show at all

Says the kid living in his mom's basement

While furiously eating stale cheerios

[bitter stump]

bi/les character, must be woke

or bunch of trolls just spouting shit trying to get a rise

[spare bobcat]

I didnt expect the series to be so good, so I was surprised. But making Helena a lesbian didnt really give anything to the story in my opinion. I dont have a problem with that, its just one of the main reasons a lot of people down vote it...

[bitter stump]

its the internet. anonymity breeds trolls

[fervent stag]

Pretty sure that was a remixed tek-cave theme for Rockwell's Animated-Series theme.

[dry raft]

Helena’s character has been lesbian for many years before the show was conceived. Clearly a lot of people didn’t pick up on that

[oak brook]

because bob's always die

[bitter stump]

i mean i missed it because i don't remember her orientation coming up before the series

[dry raft]

Factual

[scenic frost]

this is the way

[dreamy vault]

How do I make spoilers

[flint lake]

What the heck. Do we not get to watch the animated series in Australia? Good job

[unreal mulch]

put || on each side of the sentance/word

if its a photo itll give u an option

[dreamy vault]

Thx

[unreal mulch]

where can i watch the series tho?

[dreamy vault]

Ikr, I had a lot of trouble

[flint lake]

Did you find a way to watch it?

[dreamy vault]

Ye

[unreal mulch]

the dodo is my spirit animal

[flint lake]

How bro?

Looks like it comes out on 19 April in oz. But I could be wrong. It is the ark developers we are dealing with here. Even tho it’s on P+ 🤣🤣🤣

[frosty python]

helena was already a lesbian in the lore

[unreal mulch]

ep 1 spoiler ||what did bob want to say before he got shot??||

[frosty python]

||he was trying to express surprise that she was a professor, because she’s a woman, which wasn’t really a thing in the 1940s||

[unreal mulch]

ohh ok makes sense thanks

[sullen star]

when is part 2 releasing?

[frosty python]

unknown, but speculated sometime later this year

[hollow anchor]

3 years

[dry raft]

Bob never makes it past the beach in any of his lives smh

[dry raft]

This guy gonna survive less than Bob 🫡

Culture wars are exahusting

[frosty python]

man doesn’t know tv shows are deliberately in 24 fps

hell, spiderverse is mostly animated at 12fps, and to say that animation is abhorrent is laughable

[scarlet hawk]

Women were only invented in 1941🥺

[frosty python]

i thought women were invented in 1952

i’m sometimes a woman, so i should know

[elfin tartan]

ark music on top

[hollow pond]

nah, women are a new thing trust me

[dry raft]

The miracles of technology

[hollow pond]

i know right

[frosty python]

women were actually invented in 2021 when arcane released. vi arcane is actually the first woman to exist

[hollow pond]

oh yeah! how could i forget that

[prisma oxide]

It's been so long... it's gonna take some getting used to the new channel position.

[surreal pier]

Yeah

[fathom lotus]

Heard the series just dropped and came to ask if it's worth watching

[lavish pivot]

i thought they nuked it lol

[fathom lotus]

Wait nevermind it hasnt

[mystic sphinx]

absolutely! for me it’s already one of those “I wish I could see it for the first time again” pieces of media. some of those scenes are just like magic to watch.

it has in USA and Canada

[fathom lotus]

Oh ok

Thanks

[tulip patrol]

Man, I still can't believe how Wildcard, a company seemingly always struggling financially, randomly shadow dropped this show.

Like, they announced it with an @everyone ping.

And it's only available in the US.

Are they trying to kill the hype for this stuff?

[elfin tartan]

its not wildcard that actually made the show and funded it

its a couple team members from wildcard and the founders of ark

[fervent stag]

It's the founders, yeah.

But the fact they shadow dropped both ASA and now TAS is a bit odd.

[elfin tartan]

i guess but we knew about the animated series for a long time they just couldnt find a platform i believe

[fervent stag]

We also knew about ASA for almost a year before it dropped.
Them not being able to find a platform isn't an excuse as well.
As...well....they obviously have found platforms now.

[frosty python]

this was absolutely not a wildcard decision even they’re not that stupid

this is 100% paramounts fault

[tulip patrol]

Yeah I know some aspects are beyond their control but like, an @everyone ping and that's it?

[fresh flame]

If you play ark and haven't heard about the animated show, dunno what more they could have done

Seems to me they spent more money on development than advertising, definitely a plus imo

[brisk hull]

Bro this show is gas

I just watched a literal parasaur knock the shit out of a raptor

[eager creek]

Theres alot of plot armor in this show

[brisk hull]

The funny part was it just body slammed the raptor into a wall

[candid lark]

What locafion #3 explorer note ?

[willow grove]

Fr

[brisk hull]

I like that this roman dude is speaking Latin

That's cool cause I know a little

[candid lark]

who?

[willow grove]

Nerva

[brisk hull]

His name is like dominus or some

[eager moth]

Dominus is a rank/title. Nerva's his name

[brisk hull]

Oh

Regardless

He's cool

[fervent stag]

Really fucking weird to see this channel outside of ARK: The Future

[undone cargo]

He’s played by one of my favorite actors.

[brisk hull]

Who is it?

[eager moth]

gerald butler is always a win

Most of the voice cast is a solid win tbh

[stable cobalt]

right?

[brisk hull]

Scary is the best character

[undone cargo]

Gerard butler. If you’ve seen how to train your dragon he plays as hiccups dad stoic.

[fervent stag]

They did Bob a bit dirty.

[eager moth]

and I say 'most' cause there's still some characters we haven't seen/heard yet, and I've not seen them in anything else. Everyone depicted so far matches what I've imagined from the notes and such.

[brisk hull]

Ohhh I recall now

[eager moth]

little bit, yeah. poor guy

[fervent stag]

Expected ||Bob to die, but man should've actually impacted the story with his death.
I've said this a few times, but man should've been the one that got eaten by the rex, not the random bozo kid that the audiance didn't have enough time to actually form a bond with.||

[eager moth]

||I mean, if I saw a dude get killed when there wasn't even a threat, that would give me some emotional damage xD With the kid, the threat was clear and present. You knew this kid was gonna die, Bob was a surprise.||

[fervent stag]

||I'm not talking about in Helena's perspective, I'm talking about in 'ours.'
It's a random ass character. Random characters die all the time, and most viewers know this. No point in getting emotionally attached.
Note: if it was Bob instead, we could've had a two-for-one combo.
Both to show the clear threat Rockwell has, and a surprise death.
Bob could've been hyped up as some unkillable presence, always surviving his encounters.
Building all that hype up, for it all to crumble down when realization for both the viewer, and Bob, that he isn't getting out of this encounter alive.||

[eager moth]

||I'm also not sure his death was meant to be impactful, if you saw the trailer for part 2. Pretty sure he is unkillable lol Another part of me feels like he's just a meme character, which is an interesting direction, but alright.||
||Either way, I get it. They could have done him a little better.||

[proven lava]

They sound very similar. It's probably more likely that Rockwell theme in Gen2 is a remix of the tek cave motif.

[fervent stag]

The Antechamber is a remix of the tek-cave theme, but Rockwell Prime's theme I believe is unique.

[proven lava]

Yeah, sorry I should mention I'm talking about the Rockwell's garden motif

Antechamber is so good.

I can hear the beginning of tek cave now when I listen to Rockwell Garden II. Never heard that before.

[tribal olive]

I always get 404 when connecting, I am from México

[fresh flame]

||I mean personally I think they were intending it to show how life on the arks can end at any moment, and it's a very brutal environment. One person dying wasn't a game changer, it was a standard daily event ||

[fervent stag]

||I get that, but in a writing perspective. It felt more of a missed opportunity than showcasing the brutality of The Island.
Cause the event right after of the burning village displays that a lot more better than killing Bob off.||

[fresh flame]

Well, in the lore Bob played no part, so while they wanted fan service (I used that right, right), they didn't mean it to be so significant that it changed the story

[fervent stag]

||Like, than at that point I'd rather just 'not' have Bob.
Fan service is great, if it actually goes towards the plot.
Bob's death really made no impact due to the event that happens right after his death that was much, much mor brutal.
That kind of makes his current death meaningless in a writing perspective 'if' his death was meant to showcase the brutality of The Island.||

[fresh flame]

It was a moment in Helenas story. Pretty defining for her character, which is what it was supposed to do

[fervent stag]

||What makes Bob's death special compared to seeing a whole village being burned down, people being lassoed by their necks and being dragged around, etc?
Can't say that they where friends. Cause she only knew him for at most 20 minutes most likely.
She looked a lot more shocked over the kids death than Bobs.||

[snow shore]

Come on, Bob had to go they way he did. He’s was born a redshirt.

[fresh flame]

Bobs was a shock factor to the audience that wasn't expecting it. Everyone was expecting the kid to die

[fervent stag]

Not really a shock value when everyone knew it was coming.

[fervent stag]

Not saying he shouldn't had died.
Saying the way he did could've been a bit better.

[fresh flame]

I mean, I didnt expect it to be that brutal that fast

[fervent stag]

I get that.
But again, they just one upped everything in his death with the village.
Now, it feels a bit pointless. As the village displays the brutality to a more extreme.

[fresh flame]

I think it was supposed to feel pointless, because most of the violence on the arks were pointless

[fervent stag]

You can write death feeling meaningless, while still complimenting the story.
If it was only Bob that had that much of a brutal death in the first 10 minutes, than that's a bit more understandable.
But since only a few seconds later they one-upped the brutality of Bob's death with other unnamed characters. Bob's dying at that moment now feels pointless in not only the world, but in the writing as well.

[fresh flame]

I think it was supposed to feel that way

[fervent stag]

To be pointless in the story?

[fresh flame]

It wasn't, it was an intro to nervas army

[fervent stag]

The burning village was more of his armies intro.

[pallid willow]

While there is more brutal violence later in the show Bobs death is probably kept less brutal due to the shows PG rating

[fresh flame]

It's not pg lol

[tulip saddle]

at least bob died knowing that he won the war

[fresh flame]

Bob is a beach Bob. When he tried to leave the beaches on dday, he died, then when he tried to leave the beaches on the ark, he died

He just doesn't have luck

[tulip saddle]

tough shit fr

[fervent stag]

I'm not of course a professional writer. As I'm still learning.
Though, the little I know. If a death of a established character has no actual reason towards the plot, than they shouldn't had died.
Bob's death could've worked if it was only Bob dying.
But the fact the proceeded to one-up Bob's brutality with two other villagers, with one being lassoed and getting shot with like three arrows, and the other one getting lassoed around the neck and being dragged away on a mount, is a lot more brutal than what Bob went through.
Which now (at least to me and my limited knowledge) makes his death pointless and meaningless in the writing.

This is of course assuming they killed him off for these reasons, and not due to technical reasons/funding reasons.

[tulip saddle]

he only had like five minutes bruh

[fresh flame]

I know plenty of established characters in irl history that died pointlessly

[fervent stag]

Huge difference between writing a entertaining story, versus real life.
People die pointlessly in real life all the time. (old age)
But that's not entertaining for everyone in a story. And that's why there's writing techniques that exists for these.
It all depends of course 'what' you're writing about. But if you're writing a fictional universe, than what comes first before anything else is the entertainment for the audience.
Pointless deaths of established characters have always been looked down upon (Game of Thrones for example) as it takes people out of the immersion of the show.
Pointless deaths in real life happens literally because 'shit happens.'
When you apply that same excuse to writing that 'shit happens', some people will catch onto that and dislike the way the writer handled that characters death.

[fresh flame]

I think bobs death was supposed to be jarring. Either because it was brutal and pointless and you weren't expecting it, or because it clashes with your concept of how a story should be written. It worked on both accounts imo.

I think the point of it was to make people think "why would they do that 😫".

[frosty python]

the writing principle of "dont kill characters if their death doesn't majorly affect the story" doesn't always work. In fact, it rarely works in stories where a lot of people die. This principle doesn't reflect life, so it's mostly abandoned in most adult series, ESPECIALLY fantasy series. If no one died "needlessly" in a song of ice and fire or mistborn or stormlight archive or first law, etc. etc., those stories often times lose a lot of the stakes. beach bob here was meant to show how deadly the island is, that death can come even if you don't expect it

[fervent stag]

Well, what I'm saying is I get that. I 100% do.
But the fact that the same writing reason they did for Bob gets one-upped a few seconds after.
Making it feel (to me) pointless.
This is why I wished they saved Bob for the rex scene.
If Bob was displayed during the village raid as a character in the same position as Helena, where they were untouchable, can't be killed, his story hasn't been fully told yet so they can't kill him off yet, type of deal.
Than, proceed to have him underneath the rex, and the dread between Helena, Bob, and the viewer seeps in of "he truly isn't getting out of this situation" right before he gets eaten, I feel like would've complimented his death towards the story.
Cause now, Helena has a larger motivation to hate Rockwell other than "he killed a kid"
Now, he killed her closest friend she had so far on The Island.

[frosty python]

the little boy's death was meant to show how ruthless nerva was, and to show helena that she isn't in full control of her situation here. Bob was to show her how easy it is to die on the island and how hard she'd have to work just to survive

similar, not the same

[fresh flame]

She knew him for 2 minutes.

[fervent stag]

That wasn't even Nerva that did that.
That was Rockwell.

[frosty python]

not the point. rockwell follows nerva's orders. even if this was ONLY rockwell's decision, it still shows how ruthless nerva's legion is

[fresh flame]

Helena knew the kid as long as she knew Bob, at least

[frosty python]

not to mention she had a gentler relationship with the kid, she and bob were pretty much only travelling together for survival.

[fervent stag]

Also, as seen above. They could've delivered the same message with Bob.
Honestly, I can't say for everyone. But 'I' personally gave no fucks about the kid.
Cause it was written all over him that he was about to die the moment Rockwell came over and stated that Helena needed to be punished.

[fresh flame]

Imo the best writing is the one that happens in an original and unique fashion. If the show had been exactly what I expected, I probably wouldn't be wanting to see the next part as much as I do. I think the writers did a fantastic job with it

[frosty python]

we, the audience, knew exactly what was going to happen because we are the audience. Helena, still naive and hopeful she can be a pacifist here, did NOT know what they were going to do. The death flags are only visible to the audience

[fresh flame]

I mean sure. But the show wasn't about you lol. It's about a timid scientist who likes mutations being introduced to a brutal world and an even brutaler Romanish legion

I think they pulled that part off well

[fervent stag]

Not saying what the show was about.
Saying as a audience member, I thought it was very clear the kid was going to die.

[fresh flame]

And it was

[frosty python]

if anything, it introduces helena to a reality she should already be familiar with. if she knew enough about roman legions, (enough to know to call nerva dominus), she knew how they would treat dissent. But her naivety with the situation didn't let her see it that way. She probably fawned over that history and now has to come to terms with it in reality and realize how terrifying it was

[fresh flame]

You can't tell me that a from the first time watching that you knew when and how Bob would die.

[frosty python]

the boys death serves as a reality check for consequence. bobs death is just the first death she sees

[frosty python]

i mean, we all pretty much knew bob was gonna die, just not when. he's a bob

[fresh flame]

Bob was the "you made it to a scary new place here is some help" crutch character. That then gets immediately and quickly taken away. The kid dying to the rex was "this is a mostly innocent kid dying".

[fresh flame]

Yeah, so it would have been pointless to make it obvious

Better to sneak it in and shock everyone with the timing

So that a month later people are still complaining about it

[fervent stag]

If we go back to the shock value deaths. You can do the same with the audience as well not knowing what's about to happen.
If anything, the writing trying to make the audience feel the same emotions as the protagonist helps the audience feel more connected to the protagonist.
Would a writer not want to try apply this to a characters death, even if it's a pointless death?
The kids death just felt really weird to me.

[frosty python]

i agree, i liked the bob death and how quick it was. in real life, in survival situations, you can just die. not everyone gets a heroic sacrifice or a ned stark execution. some bad shit happens and you can die. its a very quick way to humble helena and immediately dissuade any delusions that she's in any way safe there

[fresh flame]

||Bobs death was "you can't feel safe", the kids death was "you can't protect anyone". And John's death was "I am the definition of chad, and I pick my story"||

[frosty python]

when you think about the kid that way, it even serves as a nice little foil and character arc to the last ep, to show helena's progression. she COULDN'T protect that little boy, but she COULD ||protect mei yin||

[fresh flame]

I just think John is the s tier character of the story though, but you have a point

[fervent stag]

Most likely will never, but I really want to pick at the writers brains to see the their 'why' of Bob's death so early.

[fresh flame]

I feel that the first 6 episodes were entirely to develop Helenas character

[frosty python]

i don't think it was ever a doubt in their minds that he was gonna die ep 1

they were probably like "hey lets introduce a bob? what do bobs do? they die!" a red shirt situation

[fresh flame]

"let's give them Bob, give Bob a story so that they like him and can relate with him. Let them think Bob matters. Then rip him from their grasp and leave them writhing in sadness/frustration/incredulity"

[frosty python]

in a way, helena is the audience that hasn't played ark. all of us are more like the others in the story, we know what to expect and we know the tone of the story before it starts. but to the untrained eye, there isn't really any gore or death or dark stuff in the show by that point. most people could've clicked on the show expecting a fun dinosaur cartoon to watch, if they didn't look up the tv rating first. and then bob gets sclorped and just like helena, they know what to expect

it's a tonesetter death

[fresh flame]

Yurp

[dreamy vault]

||test||

||i’m a bit confused on how Diana will pay into the story as in the original lore they were portrayed as friends but I guess they will be separated for 1 year which also leads me to another question why would Rockwell and Helena trust each other enough to go into the same Ark||

||mistake I made was that Diana and Metine weren’t friends but lovers||

[fresh flame]

||Helena isn't in on the whole ruthlessly murder people bit||

[dreamy vault]

||ye but still you could see the hatred Me yin and Helena had towards Rockwell, so much so that Helena head but Rockwell even when she was in prison,||

[fresh flame]

||defining feature of 20th century people, you can get along with people you loathe||

Also, headbutting someone's nose is entirely different than killing them

[dreamy vault]

||she also saw him treat Dino’s badly, ride will Gaia’s when the destroyed the redwood kingdom and also Rockwell killed an innocent person because Helena head ur him||

[fresh flame]

Treating a dino badly is not usually justification for murder

[dreamy vault]

||well a head but was for Rockwell 💀||

[fresh flame]

Yeah he didn't have modern ideals obviously