lore-nerdz

[bronze turtle]

ohhh

a car cat

[digital flower]

Imagine that as a dlc though 😳

[tender wasp]

Recycling and rewriting will mostly ruin the chars imo

[tender wasp]

Would be nice as SP.

[bronze turtle]

story mode

[digital flower]

Yeah it does unless they manage to twist it into something decent or good like what Marvel does with its characters

[digital flower]

yeah as a stand alone singleplayer story focused game

[tender wasp]

They allready ruind Santiago. I hope they leave the rest in peace.

[lyric tendon]

i mean Comics have way too many revisions and retcons throughout the history, so its ok for the MCU to have its own thing to the point they updated Guardians of The Galaxy comic to fit the MCU

[digital flower]

Yeah but I like the idea of a non-canon side story idea more in the form of a comic, that's probably just to do with my reading hobby if I'm being honest

[tender wasp]

Cause you like comics in general I guess

[digital flower]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender wasp]

But then the Mass Effect approach would be more interesting.. like make a comic about mei and what she did on the arks or even in her original life, how became she who she is on the Arks, etc.

You could do that for every of them.

[digital flower]

True

[mental basin]

Canon is canon.

I don't think they ever altered it.
It was always "Launch Unconfirmed" if I remember correctly.

[tender wasp]

I have heard from various people they altered it.

[mental basin]

That was left over text from Aberration's ending we never realized was there. 😂

[mental basin]

Actually

No, hold on

I think they removed the Tekxt entirely.

There's certain modders that are a part of the Theories Server that have claimed that they're just gone at this point.

I did report it to Jat, I think..

Yeah yeah, I told Jat about it. I haven't played on Extinction for a LONG time so I'm unsure if they're back.

Last time I did though, they definitely weren't there.

[tender wasp]

That might be it. SO no text anymore and that is what people think was on purpos.

[median stream]

"they were knee deep in some seriously trippy shit" Diana

whats your favorite survivor quote?

[mental basin]

"Piss"
-Helena

[digital flower]

"Greetings and Salutations everyone"
-Rockwell

totally not being biased because I'm also British

[patent osprey]

"One more step and I'll wake up"
-Sky

[lyric tendon]

"Rockwell you did it again, you old bean"

[unborn beacon]

"Helena I'm scared"
-Rockwell Prime

[patent osprey]

Speaking of wich what did hlna refer to when she said "shhhhh, she knew"

[mental basin]

Famous last words.

[umbral cloak]

who rockwell

he is big man in abb

and metal face in gen 1

what are you guys talking about “spiraling into madness”

I thought Rockwell was just a boss

[median stream]

HLNA was referring to helena knowing rockwell was scared. she never blamed rockwell but the element for corrupting him. in the end helena felt sorry for him.

[fallow sapphire]

he has a fair bit of story to him, you can read his notes from the island, scorched earth, and aberration. You see him start to get a little to obsessed with element, until he becomes what he does on ab, then later find out he made his way to the genesis ship and is now taking over that

[umbral cloak]

I just watched a vid on that

but I don’t really get the arks after ab

like the survivor then goes to extinction onto the earth

when is gen 1

[mental basin]

After Extinction.

[umbral cloak]

How do you get to gen 1 after extinction

[mental basin]

Because Aberration crashes and Rockwell escaped, making onto the Genesis Ship where the Simulation is.

[umbral cloak]

so how does the survivor end up in the simulation

[mental basin]

It's kind of just up to the player to decide whether they were beamed up there, maybe at Arat Prime or if it's a new Survivor. It's the best explanation we have because we don't really know.

There's tons of theories surrounding it.

Including the idea that we're a clone.

But we don't actually know.

[umbral cloak]

k ty

[bronze turtle]

nah he's a human that injected himself with Element and became a boss because of that

[ornate hull]

And after they killed the overseer on Abb it needed a new overseer and he became it

[unborn beacon]

Rockwell was a 1800 scientist
When he woke up on the Island
He study element and ran test on it
Eventually he injected himself with liquid element and became the Rockwell boss on aberration
We as the survivor go to extinction (thinking we kill him) and we bring the ARKs back to earth to cleanse the planet
Rockwell survived our fight and somehow got to the simulation control room and basically took over it
Gen 1 boss fight is also Rockwell but as a virus
Then we wake up to Gen2
Rockwell somehow through gen 1 got to the Gen2 ship and manage to control the back half(I think it's the back half) of the ship and now has a 'reborn' physical body while still having the computer virus version (starwing strike mission)
And he took most of the controls and kill the staff of the ship
Sorry for the long essay but that's the basic of Rockwell as the antagonist

Theres deeper lore on him and his relationship
Rockwell and Helena were pretty close up to aberration

[lyric tendon]

He did not "survived the fight" the ARK kept him alive even if we defeated him until the reseed protocol set him free

[unborn beacon]

He was still alive
Rockwell the human didn't

Jekyll and Hyde
Hyde won

[lyric tendon]

He is not "dead" he's mutated, corrupted

Unlike Hyde, Rockwell can't go back to being human and instead embrace the Element's will to dominate

[unborn beacon]

The humanity in Rockwell is dead
The mutated body is still alive and 'kicking'

[unborn beacon]

That's true

Kinda
Rockwell already had a God complex
He was doing experiments and whatnot on the Island and SE

The element drove him overboard

[lyric tendon]

In the Island is when he is curious and ambitious
Late Island to SE made him jealous
Ab made him desperate and
Gen is when he has a "God Complex"

[tender wasp]

The god complex he allready has on Abs but he is bound to the Ark which limits him in some way.

[unborn beacon]

Ab is when he got the God complex

[ornate hull]

And on abb were on a tour of all the old haunts

[fallow sapphire]

Good thing that that place is pivotal

[astral cedar]

thats where he made him self a god after all

[mental basin]

[mental basin]

You know

I've done some practicing

And can confidently say

[bronze turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-not-get-crazy-here-kevin-crawford-david-herman-paradise-pd-calm-down-gif-16417639

[mental basin]

[ornate hull]

Hlna be like

[bronze turtle]

do

[mystic basin]

HlNA I'm scared

That kinda got me in the gut

[bold dove]

You forgot the E's

[mystic basin]

E

[astral cedar]

E

[pure cipher]

E

[wind imp]

E

[teal kelp]

I

[unborn beacon]

E

[bronze turtle]

I

[digital flower]

Yes this is a important lore discussion.

[teal kelp]

Ikr

[bronze turtle]

You were meant to say O

Like in old macdonalds farm

[digital flower]

Never

[lyric tendon]

Ever

[gusty turret]

Boring

Why do the lore nerds have to be party poopers

[digital flower]

because we want to discuss lore!

[lyric tendon]

yeah

[unborn beacon]

To be fair yea
Go goof off in #general

[covert granite]

abberation fire

[gusty turret]

True

Aberration is like Vietnam

[lyric tendon]

god those invisible pings are annoying

[rigid palm]

Ghost ping

Spoopy

[bronze turtle]

More like the pits of hades

[vague cedar]

Where did nida go? After genesis 2

[digital flower]

Aberration isn't as fire as a good old burnt Nerva

[tired osprey]

Case #15828 @amber robin has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[gusty turret]

We have no clue

She could be dead, she could be venting around the ship like its amongus, theres just no way for us to know

[tired osprey]

Case #15830 @opal inlet has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[digital flower]

[gusty turret]

Poggers

[dense ice]

All we know of Nida's fate, is that she created the mock-up 'ready-to-go' ejection sequence for Eden & the Corrupted Rings for when they find a habitable planet. She could either be dead, or have escaped back to where the other people were.

[plain plover]

my call is that she survived, being that the last place she was in was that she was saved by the sacrifice of another important character.

like, you don't just go "oh but she died anyway"

[lyric tendon]

Nida is Schrodinger

she is both alive and dead

[tender wasp]

Seems like you never have seen any movies, read books or games were a main character sacrifices themself to save you or another character that then dies anyways.

[plain plover]

it's just in those situations that character dying has meaning

[small sun]

hola

[tender wasp]

That not every sacrifice can save another one is also a meaning.

[red mist]

idk i have to admit i've never consumed media where a sacrifice ended poorly :P

maybe i'm just not looking deeply

[bold dove]

Sacrifices that have no meaning can work, if it's already set in a dark setting.
But yeah, no. Having characters die off screen is bullshit.
Or in this case, off notes.

[gusty turret]

cough cough Mei and Diana

[lyric tendon]

nah, more like the SE baby... right @bold dove ?

[bold dove]

Oh no, that was decently done.

[lyric tendon]

they gonna die regardless

[bold dove]

It's left up to interpretation if they died or not.
And they weren't at all a major character.

Correct.

[mental basin]

Nida is most definitely dead.

Hot take.

[lyric tendon]

not really since there is no proof that she is dead.... or alive

but we will see in ARK 2 tho

[merry cipher]

the characters in gen2 were kinda lame ngl. i hope they don't return

i also hope vin diesel won't return but ah well.

[mental basin]

I liked them.

Especially Gen 2 Rockwell.

HLN-A wasn't horrible. (Though she was absolutely AWFUL for Gen 1)

Gabriel was.. alright. Liked him.

Nida was actually pretty decent too. Nothing giant.

Santiago was great in my opinion.

I really enjoy how Nida and Gabriel paralleled Helena and Rockwell in a lot of ways.

[rigid palm]

I preferred gen 1 hlna 20x more than gen 2 hlna

[mental basin]

There's a lot of clever writing in there that went over people's heads.

[rigid palm]

Thats including the voice actor

[mental basin]

hOW

She sounds like she needs antidepressants.

[lyric tendon]

Nida is ok the rest us not memorable
Rockwell and Helena are just way off character but we can make it reasonable especially with rockwell's typical supervillainly

[rigid palm]

At least she doesn’t baby us “awww you made your first shelter”

[mental basin]

Okay, but can we all admit that the new Extinction ending is fucking atrocious?

[merry cipher]

oh my god I hate the fact that the bot filters male homosexual.

Fucking hell.

[mental basin]

[rigid palm]

New? Did they make a new one recently?

[mental basin]

Uh, they replaced the VA and COMPLETELY destroyed it.

[rigid palm]

Or do you mean new relatively

Ah

[lyric tendon]

just a VA change, the "banner removal"

[mental basin]

Doesn't do the old ending justice at all.

[rigid palm]

Yeah the new voice actor for helena I really don’t like

[mental basin]

Banner Removal?

[lyric tendon]

the removed the banner that stated "the ship isn't working" or close to that

[mental basin]

I liked her in the Chronicles and Gen 2. That's it.

[merry cipher]

Anyways. Gen2 new cast be like
Rockwell ripoff but done 50x worse
Somewhat likable but 2-dimensional and boring dirt scientist
Vin Diesel puppeteering the corpse of Santiago
And background male homosexual character for brownie points I guess.

[mental basin]

LMAO

That just put an image of Vin Diesel worming his way into a meaty Santiago flesh suit

And taking over from there

[lyric tendon]

god

[mental basin]

Like a ssssssnake.

[merry cipher]

Mei Yin and Diana were done really, really well as LGBT rep.
But the background homosexual man that died iirc was just pitiful.

The only good writing in Gen2 were the Rockwell and Helena voice notes. And the ending.

[rigid palm]

The ending was good

But I definitely prefer the old VA

[merry cipher]

Except Vin Diesel. Fuck that scene it's so cringy oh my god.

[mental basin]

Suicide-bombing homosexual is officially my favorite ARK Survivor.

[merry cipher]

Suicide-bombing homosexual is the worst possible way to finally integrate a male homosexual character.

By all means, villains can be LGBT, but holy shit, as the first lore character that is a male homosexual person, they're a suicide bomber? Are you serious??

[mental basin]

Honestly, she played real Helena amazingly. Literally perfect.
When she got to HLN-A she was a bit.. much.
Now we have quite possibly suicidal HLN-A in Gen 1, HLN-A on antidepressants in Gen 2 and "Helena Walker" in Extinction.

[rigid palm]

Who’re we talking about here
I havent read most of the gen 2 notes lol

[mental basin]

God the original VA did Helena so well

[merry cipher]

The first ever canonical male homosexual character in ARK was a villain and suicide bomber.

[mental basin]

He wasn't a villain?

[merry cipher]

perhaps not a villain but, yknow. An obstacle.

[lyric tendon]

not really a villain but the "i rather not be re-cloned"

[merry cipher]

good thing cishet vin diesel is here to save the day wooooo.

[lyric tendon]

i dunno Gen is forgetable

[merry cipher]

Genesis is only memorable for the Rockwell and HLNA parts of it.

The rest might as well be forgotten.

[mental basin]

In his final moments headed towards the database with a bomb in his jacket. If Santiago hadn't stopped him the Mission quite possibly would've been hindered HEAVILY.

[merry cipher]

Not like ARK 2 will have much relevance if it's just going to be Vin's ARK fanfiction.

[lyric tendon]

even if they are not really on par with their ARK counterparts but i do like their banter

Gen is just a tech demo for ARK 2

[merry cipher]

Honestly I prefer Genesis 2 Rockwell to the prior notes rockwell. Except for all of the shoehorned Christianity references. I understand some subtle references because the game is literally called ARK, but some quotes are unnecessary.

[mental basin]

TEK demo. Heh. Heheh.

[lyric tendon]

i never type "tech" the same way again

[merry cipher]

Like the "i am on the 3rd day of my world's creation" or whatever. No you're not, you've been on the ship for months if not years. That quote makes no sense even metaphorically.

[mental basin]

It fits his character perfectly.
He's from a time when that was highly regarded and he even thinks of himself as a God, so why not?

I want to see inferiority complex Rockwell.

[lyric tendon]

if he's on Element's control like how MewTwo controls Meowth, it kinda makes sense

[merry cipher]

Actually, no it doesn't.
Victorian chemists looked down upon Christianity as it hindered progression in previous times, a lot.
Also, referring to yourself as a "god" isn't the issue here, I think that's perfect for him.

[lyric tendon]

this

[mental basin]

Agree to disagree.

[merry cipher]

A thing Wildcard never seems to do is historical research.

[lyric tendon]

never does

[mental basin]

Factual.

[merry cipher]

why is the bot SILENCING ME

[lyric tendon]

oof botted

[merry cipher]

I'm gonna shit

[mental basin]

God I can't wait to see bigot Rockwell in TAS lmao
In the game he looked down about Helena's colonial accent. Wait until he finds out she's a lesbian.

[merry cipher]

Mei Yin is just a Mulan ripoff.
Helena is just Australian + Paleontologist.
Rockwell is a basic British egotistical mad scientist.
Nerva is just Roman Centurion.png

[mental basin]

Imagine if Nerva found out about Meshing
The story would be entirely different

[merry cipher]

And their Animated designs have little to NO resemblance of any fashion they'd wear in their time. Even for an island survival outfit they make no sense.

[lyric tendon]

ARK Santiago is basically Tony stark minus the money?

[merry cipher]

Basically.

[mental basin]

I don't feel so good Mr. Santiago

[merry cipher]

The frustrating part about ARK is the fact that the concept is SO good.

But the execution is pitiful.

[lyric tendon]

very

i mean its no assasins creed with dinosaurs

[mental basin]

Sometimes.

[merry cipher]

ARK's worldbuilding is extremely unique for what it is. But the countless excuses for poor design is frustrating.

"the dinosaurs are GMO"
GMO doesn't mean that the hands of a dinosaur are magically pronated.

GMO means, hey, this creature has more fur/feathers. This creature has developed venom. etc.

[lyric tendon]

i mean they can be genetically modified to be that way... looked at pugs, their snouts are not meant to be smooched

[merry cipher]

They can be genetically modified that way but they'd be writhing around on the floor frothing from the mouth.

nah, but in all seriousness, unpronated hands would be much more useful for a predator dinosaur, because, y'know, grabbing to hunt. Instead they look like weird hairless bunnies covered in plates and osteoderms and big sharp dweeby teeth because that's what is "cool".

[lyric tendon]

ARK is not known to be "realistic" we all agree with that, i doubt they care about scientific accuracies

dilos anyone?

[merry cipher]

Absolutely not, but for a game that is set in the real world, giving the excuse "GMO" for these things to exist is very pitiful worldbuilding.

I just wish more actual research went into ARK, rather than just taking things at face value and then making the rest of the stuff up.

[lyric tendon]

i mean is just a game "they gonna make it entertaining" somehow

[merry cipher]

you can have a game be entertaining and also high quality

that's kind-of the goal

also bold of you to say that ark is entertaining

[lyric tendon]

i put quotes for a reason

[merry cipher]

i may be stupid!

but yeah i suppose their one ability to keep an audience is through cashing in on hype.

Giga? Indominus Rex cash-in

and people ate that up.

[lyric tendon]

giga is a real thing but they just overexaggerated a lot

[merry cipher]

well yeah, of course

But they made it very visually similar as a theropod to Indominus.

[bold dove]

That isn't a excuse. Since it's literally the finale of a saga.
It should've been treated like one, instead of a testing ground.

[merry cipher]

Genesis felt like a slap in the face to fans of the original game.

[lyric tendon]

it feels like that to me tbh, it's more "experimental" than the other DLCs

[merry cipher]

Like, "HEY thank god thats over now whos ready for VIN DIESEL?!?!??"

hahahaha remember "story driven missions"?

good job

[bold dove]

It does feel like that, yes. And that's the issue.
Genesis 1 should've been the testing grounds. It was literally in a fucking simulation, so they had 'all' of the excuses to experiment with stuff.

[merry cipher]

The simulation would've been PERFECT for all the fantasy bullshit they threw into the game.

[bold dove]

The fantasy stuff did make the game more interesting.

[merry cipher]

Go ham. It's a simulation. Anything's possible.

And it can make it more interesting through a simulation where it would make mroe sense.

Rather than overshadowing the actual interesting science fiction aspects and creatures.

[bold dove]

Well, it already makes a bit of sense in lore.

[merry cipher]

gmo dragon that breathes fire doesn't make much sense

[lyric tendon]

i dont mind the challenging immersive-ness of the tames and how fun the dungeon crawl missions are with friends but i don't fell it's connecting to the whole ARK narrative at all

[merry cipher]

"because element" is the only excuse ever in ARK lore

[bold dove]

The fantasy creatures are explained to be biologically creature to suit the ARK's environments.

[merry cipher]

You could begin shitting rainbows out of nowhere and ARK's explanation will always be "well um actually it's the element"

[bold dove]

And that's the point.
The lore in ARK isn't suppose to make feasible sense.
If you're confused of 'how' a fire breathing lizard can exist, then Marc Soskin did his job.

[lyric tendon]

ARK moblie lmao

[merry cipher]

ark mobile isn't real. same for ark 2

ark 2 is as canon as pixark /hj

[bold dove]

Pixark is actually semi-canon.

[merry cipher]

hell

[lyric tendon]

so does ARK Park apparently

[merry cipher]

man i love pixark. i love when Snail Games traces over Monster Hunter icons. Epic.

Or, at least, blatantly copies them.

[bold dove]

Anyway, ARK's lore is unique in being the fact that "Humans don't know fucking shit about the universe."
It's actually more realistic to have these shit unexplained.
You really fucking think if a alien race came down to Earth 'right now' and showed us their warp-drives and how they can literally warp time and space at will?
No! we'll be fucking confused as all hell.

[merry cipher]

Oh, no, fantasy does have an explanation to exist.
Bait.

It sells.

[bold dove]

No shit, Sherlock. They're a fucking business by the end of the day.

[merry cipher]

Exactly, and that's my entire gripe with this game. It's always money first, passion later.

[lyric tendon]

tbh griffins are what the ancient civilizations called the Pachyrhinos back then

[merry cipher]

If they even do apply passion.

[merry cipher]

and that's cool tbh

[lyric tendon]

hell Cyclops is created when they saw an elephant skull

[bold dove]

"Got to sell money, to make money"
Do you know how fucking much game development can cost?

[merry cipher]

As someone who is going into the games industry, yes.

But there are plenty of games that cost a lot that have actual passion put into the gameplay and story.

Not saying that all ARK devs lack passion for the game. But there have been a lot of disappointments.

[bold dove]

Then you'd understand that you'd need to build up a steady amount of revenue to then proceeding to waste the money on "passion projects"

[merry cipher]

You can make money through a good game rather than just seeing what sells good in the community and focusing on that.

[bold dove]

Tell that to every mobile game.

[lyric tendon]

oh boi and gacha/waifu collector games

[merry cipher]

If the game's main focus is to see what's hot, it's not a very creative game.

don't even fucking get me started on genshin impact

[bold dove]

Creative, no.
Money? Yes

None the less, you don't need passion to make money. And passion projects don't always sell.

[merry cipher]

it's not like they blew any of that cash on anything creative anyways. They just used it for big Hollywood names as advertisement for more money.

[lyric tendon]

tell that to stardew valley

[bold dove]

That they got for free.

[merry cipher]

Since when was that confirmed?

[bold dove]

Give me more.

[merry cipher]

Passion goes into a lot of games, even with large corporations behind them.

[lyric tendon]

i barely started it, not into SP tbh 🤷

[bold dove]

Months ago.
The cost was a position at Studio Wildcard for ARK 2 and the Animated Series.

[bold dove]

No, i mean examples.

[merry cipher]

Undertale/Deltarune, Stardew Valley, Terraria, Minecraft, etc, were all passion projects that hit massively.

[lyric tendon]

undertale is also a "passion project" as well

[merry cipher]

Because actual love was put into them.

With ARK, it feels like the amount of love put in is very limited. and reserved mostly for just seeing what sells.

[bold dove]

Minecraft is a 50/50, post-Notch.

[merry cipher]

Minecraft is huge regardless.

And is still a pretty integral game to the industry.

[lyric tendon]

you mean Microsoft MC?

[merry cipher]

For crying out loud, Snail Games did a Minecraft ripoff with ARK.

[bold dove]

Wouldn't be the first time.

[merry cipher]

They love milking the fuck out of ARK.

And I dread to see what ARK 2 will be like. They saw that people hated TEK and just wanted ooga booga dinosaur game, so that's what they're getting. That's what sells, apparently. ARK but without the unique parts.

[lyric tendon]

if its successful, you gotta milk it til its dry

i.e. Jurassic Park

[merry cipher]

I Will Throw Universal Studios Into The Sun

[plain plover]

DINOSAURB

I want to know why exactly network execs and studio heads are notorious for being terrible. they only seem to do something right when they greenlight a project for the first time

[mental basin]

Children at the orphanage watching themselves get adopted by a Genshin Impact player:

[plain plover]

I have avoided that game at all costs

[mental basin]

You don't have to deal with the FBI several times a week, do you.

[plain plover]

only once

[mental basin]

[lyric tendon]

same, i already have a gacha game on my phone, i don't want that same trash in my masterrace PC

[vale garden]

Can somebody tell me a brief rundown of ark ?

Lore wise *

[open hill]

@vale garden

[rigid palm]

Ooh someone used my message as an info explanation

That never happens

[fallow sapphire]

Congrats, I don’t think I have achieved that one yet

[gusty turret]

This is because idontsk8 is lame

Congrats bestie i just used your message as an explanation

[red mist]

that's not much of a gripe. we think of video games as outlets for creativity and ingenuity but they're definitely businesses; if wc put the passion before the money they would certainly go bankrupt with their niche game whose players are so willing to exploit new features and glitches that they walk on eggshells to add anything. And when they do decide to inject creativity (you could even call it passion) into ark, it's typically deemed overpowered and then dulled or outright erased, or made a universal part of the game that then dulls other aspects (think about cryopods and the snow cave). Ark II is looking to be similar to other survival games and some criticisms of it are valid, but if you consider how many people you know that own ark and are planning on buying ark 2 (including yourself) you can clearly see how "bait sells" isn't a malicious or exploitative mindset, simply a last resort.

i've been wrong before, but i think it's naive to expect the standards set by household name games and their studios to apply to wildcard, especially considering their history and their market.

[teal kelp]

Fax, if they only thought about money they wouldn't drop multiple patches a week to try and fix exploits

[tender wasp]

Very dependend you are talking too , cause all my friends that tended to play Ark, including me are not planning on buying it cause they don't fall for the "bait" or simply don't care for it and judge what Ark is now.

[lyric tendon]

i'm more of a "if i can afford it" kind of people

[tender wasp]

Yeah the "Can I afford it or not." you have a bunch of too or the "I might get it on a sale later"

[mental basin]

"Shut up and take my money."

[lyric tendon]

Is it just me or the "proto-Arks" in Ext are basically the early access Island complete with a roaming broodmother

Think about it you summomed a boss inside an ARK instead of you teleporting to an arena

[uneven sigil]

I dare not look at this channel incase someones head cannon or just lore in general is different then mine or wrong

I think the proto arks were made to test the effects of the environment on the dinosaurs and see how the obelisks would operate ok bye

[lyric tendon]

🤷

[uneven sigil]

That or to summon the titans to battle

Who knows

[gusty turret]

Ah yes they created the prototype arks before the titans existed to summon them

[uneven sigil]

Thats not what i meant

[bold dove]

Don't mind Dav, they do that.

[uneven sigil]

Imagine the ice titan is on the other side of the world from where extinction is, you would need to teleport the titan to the dome to fight it

Thats why the cave looks man made

Or was

[bold dove]

No, the reasoning why you don't see them roaming naturally is cause they're dormant.
The terminal in the caves more act like a EMP blast to force them to wake up.

[uneven sigil]

Oh

Ok then

Didn’t they use to roam tho?

[bold dove]

When they're pissed, yes.

[uneven sigil]

My head cannon is that the master AI of genesis were based off titans

[bold dove]

Titans are beings of pure element. And just like element, they can become a solid, gas, and possibly theoretically a liquid.
That's why you see the titans forming in the middle of the air, is cause all of the local element is collecting up and forming the titan.

[uneven sigil]

So there was once an ocean titan, probably wrong but its a cool thought

[bold dove]

Head-canon, sure.
But that doesn't mean it's true.

[uneven sigil]

I mean where did the simulation creators come up with them

They had to be based off something right?

Considering moeder is a giant BIOLUMINESCENT eel

I think there was once an ocean titan, and the bioluminescence on moeder is supposed to resemble the corruption

Or at least some of it

[bold dove]

Genesis lore is just a shit load of retcons.
Since the Genesis-ship was being made apparently 'before' the element crisis. They probably made the simulation before titans where even a thing.

[uneven sigil]

Because there was a fire titan, as stated in the explorer notes

[uneven sigil]

But was the simulation?

[bold dove]

Don't think it ever states the creation time-peroid of the simulation. 🤷‍♂️

[uneven sigil]

I mean sure they made the ship, but the simulation is supposed to test survivors for the arrival

Personally i think the master AI are based off titans, its what makes the most sense to me

[bold dove]

Again, you can think that. But until evidence to theories are given, it's not really true.

[uneven sigil]

Considering there was a fire titan(volcano biome), ice titan(snow biome), forest titan(bog maybe?), desert titan(possibly lunar?), and maybe an ocean titan (moeder)

But yeah i get what you mean

None of it is proven

Still a cool thought tho

[gusty turret]

The simulation is just really advanced virtual reality it doesn't need to be this deep

[red mist]

exactly: wildcard needs to bait people, especially new people, to have any chance of selling ark 2. if you know that wc is at a deficit of customers how can you be upset at them for taking the steps to acquire new consumers?

[mental basin]

A liquid

Oh my God

Piss Titan

[rigid grove]

.

[glad viper]

Wait, so if the ARKs were created by humanity to escape an Element-ravaged Earth, where the frick did they get the dinosaurs from, let alone the fictional creatures?

[rigid palm]

The creatures are genetically engineered

As for why dinosaurs and mythical creatures? We don’t exactly know, but I think probably because its more challenging and because humans just like dinos more than modern creatures

[fallow sapphire]

I mean realistically which is gonna force you to evolve faster, a Lion or a giant T-Rex

I remember them saying in gen 1 that the dino-human system worked really well in the simulation, so they decided to do it on the ARKs as well

Why they also decided that they were gonna do dinosaurs on the Genesis ship is beyond me, I can understand to an extent but at the same time they were looking for a habitable planet not getting people to evolve to fix earth

[rigid palm]

Maybe they wanted to see how inaccurate they could get with the dinos

[hybrid ice]

I don't think lions even attack humans

Like for food

[fallow sapphire]

K you get the idea though

Dinosaurs would push you to evolve a bit faster then modern day animals

[hybrid ice]

Probably

the bigger dinosaurs wouldn't even attack people only smaller ones like raptors would

[rigid palm]

Idk man
I’d evolve pretty quickly if I got spat on by a llama

[fallow sapphire]

lol

[fallow sapphire]

According to ARK that isnt the case

But I do agree that would make more sense until bigger food sources were scarce, then humans would be bigger on the menu

[hybrid ice]

I mean brontos are everywhere

[fallow sapphire]

Because of the ARKs, yes. If the overseers didnt play into keeping the herbivore count up that would be the case

[hybrid ice]

And they mature alot faster then their prehistoric counterparts

[uneven sigil]

Helena did say that the carnivore count is ridiculous and not natural

[glad viper]

They kill 200 people per year

[fallow sapphire]

By a realistic approach, we wouldnt have much to worry about on the larger dinosaur side

[hybrid ice]

That really isn't much

[glad viper]

Not really

We're not their natural prey

[hybrid ice]

Animals usually only kill humans if we are bothering them or they are starving

[fallow sapphire]

Its also entirely possible(obviously not stated anywhere) that the creators made the aggression level of the dinosaurs higher to force you to progress

[uneven sigil]

That and the genetically modified creatures are fuckin idiots

[fallow sapphire]

I mean if you can tame them by knocking it out and feeding it meat while its asleep its not that crazy of an idea that they made them more aggressive

[hybrid ice]

Fr they have Bethesda npc intelligence

[hybrid ice]

They also domestic easily

[uneven sigil]

Ate

[tender wasp]

The need to "bait" new people, which is understandable but for Ark 2 they will not only need new people, they also will need to keep at least a big part of the current playerbase and have them move to their new game. I understand than not everybody likes the methods how they do it and that a bunch of current players might not buy Ark2 at all.

[tender wasp]

Bigger Carnis would not mess with us cause we would not be enough food for them to be even worth it.
Why they brough dinosaurs and only extinct creatues on the ship is also beyond me. Dinosaurs were as all animals really sensitive when it came to evironment changes and I don't realy know if they so much easier to settle in a new environment. They also could have altered modern animals genetacally.

[mental basin]

Suddenly gets a six pack

[rigid palm]

Magic llama spit

[mental basin]

Put it in a Custom Recipe

Llama spit smoothie

[bold dove]

Oh no, they will.

[teal kelp]

It really depends

If the lion is calm there is a lower chance they will

If they are angry or hungry then hide

[split brook]

If lion is top stat he'll eat u if its lvl 1 it wont

Nvm lions attack bobs

[median stream]

has survivor offspring and mating never been mentioned? iv never seen it. Would an offspring have an implant? Are survivors capable of reproducing before the arks land on earth?

[tender wasp]

They can reproduce and it is mentioned on Scorched Earth. There is even a baby. It is never mentioned if they have implants or not but I somehow guess Rockwell would have mentioned an implant on a baby.. but who knows how that will be altered in Ark2 or the kid there is a clone and not a natural born one..

[lyric tendon]

tbh it make sense if the SE baby doesnt have an implant since they have naturally born in the ARK not cloned but that is a rare case since there is no other case of human birth aside from the SE baby

[median stream]

Since extinction iv assumed it wasnt possible. Until the arks land and we lose our implants. also assuming all survivors on the arks, once landed on earth would lose their implants also. hence beginning the new human race.

[lyric tendon]

weirdly enough in ARK 2 people still kept their implants even they are out of the ship and into the open

the only time a person will lose the implant is when turned into a homo deus aka highly unlikely

[tender wasp]

It is not even confimred we become Homo Deus. Might also be we finaly get the Implant removed to show that now we are free of getting cloned and can live our final life.. so the implants in Ark 2 might be a hint, that humans still get cloned over and over again and a reason Vindigao deletes his own data and turns the device off so he does not get cloned again.

[median stream]

I guess the cave Vin is in, in t he trailer was a wrecked escape pod or part of the crashed ring. No tek should be present on this planet yet.

[tender wasp]

Maybe same for his tribe cause the implant even of the child deacitvates.

There might be still tons of other pods from other people that "landed" on the planet and I asume these might partly still work to have a lore explanation for players respawning.

[silver ginkgo]

How’s it not confirmed we became Homo Deus? I thought that the only way into the gen simulation was to be homo Deus plus we get a “Homo Deus Record” upon killing the king Titan

[red mist]

it's not like they have better "methods how they do it" whatsoever. no matter how much you dislike vin diesel, wildcard has no chance of selling ark 2 without advertising it to grow their audience, when they know that "a bunch of current players might not buy ark 2 at all." if you admit yourself that a company cannot rely on you for a source of revenue, you have to accept that you stop becoming their target audience.

[silver ginkgo]

They’re probably using Vin as an actor cameo to appeal to people who like his acting or the idea of him as a character. With them exploring using VAs it’s only natural they’d eventually try and manage to get a famous actor to star in the game or someone with their likeness

[lyric tendon]

or simply tampering existing characters to their likeless

see Gen 2 Santiago and Animated Rockwell

[silver ginkgo]

Rockwell is well done and Santiago was an interesting choice

[lyric tendon]

i prefer beardwell better

[tender wasp]

Vindiago is mostly a commercial choice to draw in people.

[silver ginkgo]

That’s fair. Your preferences may not be mine like mine may not be yours. I think I enjoy the story behind Rockwell and how it was done more than his appearance so that’s what mattered more for me

[lyric tendon]

i'm ok with the game rockwell, that shows that element changed him from bearded chad to corrupted david tenet but not so much for the animated version

[silver ginkgo]

Ah. Them changing him could be because of the actor’s request but idk the reason behind it

[tender wasp]

Also Vin Diesel very obviously invested in WC.. so he also could have asked for beeing Santiago.. and with Rockwell, might probably be a general request to make the Animated versions look more like the actors.

[median stream]

At first i thought tenet was to young for rockwell. but can't argue with the outcome he did an amazing job.

[tender wasp]

I prefere the bearded note Rockwell look but Tennant does a good VA job.

[median stream]

also, in my research it appears in the oviraptor dossier, Helena states children like keeping them around for their noise they make. so.....idk maybe kids were a thing just with the brutality of the arks the devs decided to keep them low key to avoid backlash

[lyric tendon]

the dossiers are optional canon, basically like the pokedex

TBH ARK is never a family-friendly story lore wise

[tender wasp]

ALso might simply be nothing the surviors (the note ones) really cared for. Why write a lot about children when you have more important stuff to do and don't have any yourself or not interesst in them.

Also it allways feels like the Island and Scorched Earth have/had a very big population with big tribes in the notes.. and Abs/Ext. were way smaller and had way bigger issues than careing for children or even get any.

[median stream]

yea the survivors from Ab should be the only humans on earth.

[lyric tendon]

maypends since Ab is pivotal to the story for earth

Earth may not be extremely people-less before the people from Ab arrived

who knows they are still fighting until the authors managed to reached earth from Ab

[teal kelp]

As someone who isn't english I understood that Helena keeps kids around for the noise they make lmao

[tender wasp]

In my canon there are still people on earth and in Ext we are only on a small part of earth, so there might be some more somewhere else.

[teal kelp]

Makes sense

[tender wasp]

Same with the note survivors and maybe Mei and Diana encountered others on their travel to Arat Prime.

[median stream]

LOL well as a parent i tell you thats a reason to send em outside haha. But helena was referring to in the dossier the overiraptors were kept around by the kids. as the kids like the sound the ovi make

[tender wasp]

lol

[teal kelp]

Ah lmao

[lyric tendon]

tbf ARK ovirpators made weird noises

not as much as a galli tho

[median stream]

they still make me look around for whats about to attack me lol

[teal kelp]

The sounds they make when they walk are the same as raptors so if I am in an early stage it turns on my fight or flight mode

[tired osprey]

Case #15887 @gray orbit has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[mental basin]

Cry about it.

[flat coral]

[digital flower]

[gusty turret]

I thought that was one of my teachers who looks nothing like the Rock due to sleep deprivation

[glad viper]

As a long-time Beach Bob, can someone explain to me why this Helena person is such a big deal?

[stuck torrent]

because she is literally the main character basically

and also story

if you follow the story fully you will understand

[bold dove]

She's the protagonist of the notes.

[tender wasp]

Best go to the pins, there are links to the explorer notes

And there are several sets written by Helena.

[gusty turret]

Bro why didn't Nerva just tame his own army of shit to fight Mei instead of wasting his soldiers

[tender wasp]

He had a bunch of tames..

[glad viper]

Wait, how can a Roman Centurion be on an ARK?

[bold dove]

Same reason why a modern day Aussie and a early century Chinese lady are friends.

[glad viper]

What's that supposed to mean?

[bold dove]

TL:DR: Everyone's a clone of a previously dead person, and they're on a giant ass space-station.

[glad viper]

Right

[bold dove]

So that's how.

[silver ginkgo]

If I’m not mistaken Rockwell is from the time when alchemists were a thing

[glad viper]

Nah, he's from the 19th century. He's a chemist, so he's 100 times cooler

[silver ginkgo]

Ah. That makes sense

Although him being an alchemist would’ve been cool

[glad viper]

Alchemy was put to rest around the 17th century, being replaced with chemistry. Why? Because chemistry is actual science while alchemy is more mystical

[lyric tendon]

This

[red mist]

i wonder if some alchemists were actually influenced by their craft, because it famously involved working with lead (that they hoped would become gold) and lead poisoning could definitely mess with someone's mind. i have no historical basis for this whatsoever it just sounds possible.

okay, so i looked a little more into this and it appears that some alchemists had a habit of drinking "elixirs" that they made. Specifically elixirs that they made with lead and mercury. It did not end well.

[tender wasp]

ouch

[lyric tendon]

They will most likely not fit for the ARK

IIRC they choose specific people to be cloned, mostly with intact engramic matrix

[gusty turret]

Me in the bathroom when i was a kid mixing soap and many other chemicals be like

[teal kelp]

I guess you could say that alchemists loved to do a lil bit of trolling

[lyric tendon]

to themselves apparently

[bronze turtle]

they chose my stupid ass to be the one who tries

and everyone else's stupid ass

legit imagine seeing a deformed human running across the beach, that's the one who tries, he is important

[plain plover]

The infinite monkey typewriter theorem: if you put a monkey infront of a typewriter and gave it infinite amount of time to smack the keys, it would eventually write the complete works of Shakespeare

[ivory steppe]

So is our character from ark gonna be in ark 2? Helping out vin diesel or nah

[grizzled drift]

i dont think

imagine trying to start on ark 2 on realese day and the game being full of alpha tribes already

probably just a completely new lore in wich a new character will be helping vin diesel

[ivory steppe]

Our character must be in ark 2 we were going to the planet as well

Imagine if you have veteran dialogue and new player dialogue

[grizzled drift]

idk, it maybe can be good for the lore but horrible to gameplay

[ivory steppe]

Idk how it would be horrible for gameplay

It’s the same character just different body built now different graphics and a new gameplay

[grizzled drift]

then it's okay

[mental basin]

No. 😌

[mental basin]

Let's put that to the test, shall we?

[plain plover]

[teal kelp]

Oke monke

[gusty turret]

Im down to read some Monkespeare

To banana or not to banana, that is the question

[gritty trout]

Rockwell is a ferox, that’s why he got addicted to element. Confirmed, we need a Rockwell shoulder tame that you can feed element.

[patent osprey]

Aren't we all a ferox, at the slightest but of ele we get extra and crave more

[hybrid ice]

Ho ho ho

[gusty turret]

Raptor claus is that you?

[glad viper]

How is Element different to Tek?

[rigid palm]

Tek runs on element

Element is fuel for tek

[gusty turret]

Element is a self replicating material that can be any state of matter, tek uses element as an energy source to function

Which apparently we found out how to use normal electricity wirelessly to power tek things like the stryders and the fed suits and pretty much everything in the ship

[tender wasp]

Tek also contains element and is partly made of Element regarding to the materials you need to make it.

[gusty turret]

That too

[glad viper]

Isn't Element malevolent though?

[tender wasp]

Element is normaly pretty harmless. The resason it got "malevolent" is cause of the extreme overuse in the Tek war. Otherwise it would never had been a problem. Santiago states that with normal use it would never had caused real problems.

Element is also not evil, it simply wants to survive/live if you can call it that.

[gusty turret]

We assume it's normally harmless, but even Helena says she doesn't know when she's tapped into the system as a Homodeus, it just kinda happened

Element is really like the 9 rings of power in a way, like yeah they're just rings but none of the instances of them being used turned out well so i would say they're malevolent, just like how all the times element were used it fucked up things

[bold dove]

Though, just like the 9 rings, they themselfs did no harm. It was only the wearer that did harm.

[gusty turret]

The rings drove them to cause harm

[bold dove]

And it was only one ring that caused serious issues, and that was the ring of power. And that's only cause Saron literally put his soul into the ring.

[gusty turret]

cough cough rockwell

[tender wasp]

Rockwell does not really controll Element.

[gusty turret]

Element drove him to insanity and turned him into hentai monster

[tender wasp]

And the problem with Element was that humanity got powerhungry and started a war were they overused element in weapons..

Compare it to atomar energy, which is mostly harmless when used in a normal manner but put it in a bomb and it causes a lot of harm.

[bold dove]

Okay, let me take that back.
There's actually '20' rings of power. And the ring i was thinking of was "The one ring" which was Sauron's ring.

[tender wasp]

The nine rings are only the human ones.

The ELves for example never were controlled by Sauron.

[gusty turret]

The human ones were the main ones that caused harm

The dwarven ones just made them more greedy

[tender wasp]

Cause Sauron infuenced them.

[gusty turret]

The elves sniffed out the deception and ditched their rings

[bold dove]

That's cause humans being humans just made them worse.
Dwarves are already greedy as it is, and it just enhanced it.
Elves are the definition of "neutral" that not even the fucking ring can effect them.

[gusty turret]

Elves are the lawful good of Tolkien's universe

[tender wasp]

Humans are just humans and like in most stories the most diverse race

[bold dove]

They're more "neutral" in the books.
They're kind of asses.

[tender wasp]

Yeah besides some Elves a lot of them don't even care for Middleearth and leave it.

[bold dove]

Hell, Sauron was a elf.

[gusty turret]

They originally were sent to middle earth to assist the Humans in the war of wrath against Morgoth

[tender wasp]

Nope Sauron was an Maia

[bold dove]

Was he?

[gusty turret]

Yeah

[tender wasp]

He was no Elfe, he was some kind of god or half god but no elf.

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, he was.

[bold dove]

"got."

[tender wasp]

yeah my spelling sucks. way to early XD

ANd Sauron got infuenced by Morgoth.

[bold dove]

Element had barely anything to do with that.
He killed a whole tribe without remorse back on Scorched 'before' he could've been influenced.
There was no time he could've got influenced by element before hand. Since it wasn't till Aberration where he was finally able to get liquid element. Aka the more sentient shit.

[gusty turret]

Didn't he get some in the tek cave?

[bold dove]

Nope.

[tender wasp]

Rockwell allways as been a more shady guy. He was not evil perse but he is that kind of person that sacrifices others for science and to make himself a name.

[bold dove]

The tek-cave nor hall of history has any liquid element. It's all in a dormant state.

[tender wasp]

He starts to get super obsessed on Abs. He also gets pissed at the Tek tribe cause the Tek tribe does forbid him a lot and does not take him serious. Something like that.

[lyric tendon]

makes me wonder if blowing up the overseer like say in AB activates that liquid element

[inland nova]

Anyone knows why my gamepass ark stay's on loading?

[gusty turret]

Nice lore bro

[bold dove]

They treated him like his age.

[lyric tendon]

that is not lore

[bold dove]

Someone made a good theory of element actually.
Element possibly 'enhances' whatever you already are, and possibly has a symbiose like effect where it tries to bond with its host, to better their survival for theirs 'and' the elements.
If you're a naturally good natured being, it'll mutate you to a better being. If you're deviant. Bringing out more of that nature, since 'it' thinks that's the best course for survival.
It also would fit in with element being a bio-weapon made by a alien race. Which this same person told me that Genesis 2 apparently hinted to.

[gusty turret]

The dolphins are the alien race they're hyper intelligent and are just using us

[lyric tendon]

so that what the transhumans are with element?

[tender wasp]

It was made by Reapers 😉

[gusty turret]

My question is is it the liquid element that's radioactive or is Aberration just naturally radioactive

[bold dove]

Marc states otherwise.

[tender wasp]

No one knows what TRanshumans really are but it is hinted they are advanced with cybernetics and even more. WOuld not be to far fetched element is part of it.

[bold dove]

Pretty sure it's element-based radiation.

[teal kelp]

Pretty sure ab got radioactive cuz of the tek nuke

[gusty turret]

Cyberpunk is canon in the ark universe now

[bold dove]

Radiation wouldn't last literally hundreds of thousands of years.

[lyric tendon]

active element is always radioactive

[tender wasp]

Like with Uma, she at least has a super advanced knowlege and you see implants on the artwork. Also the war might be cause of humans and Transhumans.

[lyric tendon]

if it were actual earthly radiation say WW1 nuke it will affect the whole ARK not just one area

[teal kelp]

Infact like you said it's element radiation caused by the tek nuke

[gusty turret]

How did the Arks crashing back to Earth not cause large scale seismic activity

[lyric tendon]

the Tek Nuke is also made from element

[teal kelp]

Why would a tek nuke cause average radiations

[bold dove]

My point still stands.

[bold dove]

There is 'no' average radiation.

[gusty turret]

Like large enough to fuck everything up

[teal kelp]

By average radiation I meant radiation not by element

[lyric tendon]

i mean it did cause the earth start to rotate again 🤷

[teal kelp]

I ain't THAT dumb

[bold dove]

Sorry, hard to tell sometimes with you.

[gusty turret]

Poor guy

[teal kelp]

Im gonna cri

[bold dove]

I needed salt.

[gusty turret]

Lets get spartan trending on twitter for being mean

[tender wasp]

The nuke explodes in the overseer tower (the damaged arm of the ark) not down in the cave.. it makes no sense the radiotion is from the nuke.

[teal kelp]

Search the meaning of male tears

[bold dove]

Go ahead. I'll finally be able to be something for once.

[tender wasp]

[gusty turret]

To be fair how tf did Rockwell fall into the overseer arena then

[bold dove]

Ares did just make a good point.

[teal kelp]

Good question

[bold dove]

Who ever stated it 'had' to be the overseer arena?

[gusty turret]

Who ever stated it couldn't be?

[teal kelp]

Cuz rockwell became the overseer

[bold dove]

Could've been a normal guardian arena that the ARK decided to change after Rockwell hopped into the primordial soup.

[teal kelp]

Why would he be outside of the arena

[tender wasp]

he never fell into the overseer arena and if you talk when he is allready Tentaclewell.. that is the new arena, when he is adapted by the Ark as overseer.

[lyric tendon]

who knows it's a guardian arena repurposed hence the hologram is on top not at the bottom

[teal kelp]

Plot twist: the overseer arena was always below us

[gusty turret]

How do we even know if Abb had other guardians?

[tender wasp]

It wasn't cause the nuked the original arena.

[teal kelp]

(Before anyone calls me a dumass it's a plot twist not the truth)

[bold dove]

Cause it wouldn't be much of a fucking test if it didn't.

[lyric tendon]

it's a standard thing for ARKs to have guardians

[gusty turret]

There's no Ark law that states there have to be other guardians it's left up to the overseer id imagine

[lyric tendon]

not really, how else SE and Island have guardians

[tender wasp]

Not every Ark is similar and the Arena we fight Rockwell in might be his "lair"

As new overseer he might have changed some stuff or the Ark might.

[lyric tendon]

for what i know every ARK has the same basic blueprint aside from what landmass they take

[teal kelp]

What a small lair, couldn't he just get the whole ark

[gusty turret]

No the Ark was controlling him

[teal kelp]

I would have done that asap

[tender wasp]

He might have liked it cosy XD

[lyric tendon]

he cant he's constantly battle with element inside his body at that time

[bold dove]

It also appears that most ARK's share the same model. I.E. Most of them are Island and Scorched based ARK's.

[teal kelp]

I see why the boss is so ez pez

[tender wasp]

Also even beeing the overseer, Rockwell is still bound by the Ark.

or was

[lyric tendon]

also the entire Australia being an ARK LMAO

[gusty turret]

Ohio would probably be an Ark

Id want it off the Earth too

[teal kelp]

So rockwell gave himself to the ark basically sacrificing his freedom until genesis

🧠

[bold dove]

"Wait, we're on a space station? Thought we where just in Australia."

[gusty turret]

He didn't give himself to anything he didn't have a choice it took him

[teal kelp]

Brainwell

[gusty turret]

It was just like haha you're the overseer now time to endlessly die

[bold dove]

Not like he minds it.

In the notes, he clearly enjoys being the new god of the ARK. And calls the arena his "throne."

[teal kelp]

What a big brain he is, clearly smarter than Einstein filling his veins with purple diarrhea

[gusty turret]

Masochistwell confirmed????

[lyric tendon]

basically, he likes being pelted by buck shots apparently

[tender wasp]

Rockwell was desperate.. old, affraid of death, affraid to be forgotten.

[teal kelp]

Shmortwell 🧠 🧠 🧠

[gusty turret]

We don't even kill him on Abb he just sinks into the soup

[lyric tendon]

because the ARK wants him alive

[teal kelp]

We can say he probably delayed his death at the cost of making it arguably worse

[gusty turret]

So its not like hes endlessly respawning he just goes for a swim

[tender wasp]

Yeah but I guess he didn't expect to be defeated.. he saw himself as unbeatable god

[teal kelp]

I see

[gusty turret]

He was until the one who is deformed again showed up

[bold dove]

Actually, dying from the front load blast of basically a nuke is a quick death.

[tender wasp]

Nope.. even we don't really kill/defeat him on Abs..

We only open the portals that way and go to earth.. Rockwell staying on the Ark geting reformed.

[teal kelp]

I still think dying in deep space, forgotten by basically everyone except your enemy is a sad death

[gusty turret]

I wonder what the soup tastes like

[teal kelp]

But that's my opinion

[gusty turret]

We know element dust is healthy but what about the soup

[bold dove]

Better way to die then to die a nobody.

[teal kelp]

That is your opinion and I respect that

[bold dove]

But 'do' you. 👀

[gusty turret]

I don't

[teal kelp]

Wdym

[bold dove]

Didn't ask.

[gusty turret]

I did

[bold dove]

Jokes.

[teal kelp]

I see

[bold dove]

And i don't care.

[gusty turret]

The one who tries again Is a cannibal right?

Assuming plant r is canon?

[teal kelp]

The one who tries again is the survivor right?

[gusty turret]

Yeah

[bold dove]

can't be a cannibal if the DNA is so different from being human.

[gusty turret]

How do you know Rockwells DNA🤨

[teal kelp]

It's simple assuming that rockwell's dna is far from human, that's what element does to a mf

[gusty turret]

Maybe it just gave him really bad acne

[bold dove]

Do you even know how DNA works?

[gusty turret]

Partially

Biology was years ago and i didn't pay attention

[teal kelp]

As someone with acne I can tell you even if I leave it there to grow I'm not gonna be rockwell 2 -becomes rockwell 2-

[gusty turret]

He got space aids

[teal kelp]

But aids just kills your immune system ._.

[bold dove]

Well, even that acne would slightly alter the DNA.
Not enough that you wouldn't be human of course, but enough that it has a chance to pass down to your children.
Well, if you inject a fucking alien material lead/bio-weapon that changes your physical form, then your DNA has to change to, since the DNA is telling your body what to change and morph into.

[gusty turret]

Yeah why do you think he had the little microphage things?

[bold dove]

And also i 'gueeeessss' you also see his DNA strain on his dossier on Aberration. But that's less fun to explain.

[teal kelp]

That is his immune system, we are the AIDS that kills it 😈

[bold dove]

Which his DNA is now quadruple helix.

[gusty turret]

He has space aids, he made bugs to counter it, then we gave him normal aids and it killed the bugs

[bold dove]

Which human, and most life have 'double' helix DNA.
Helix's are the bar like things on the side to keep all the middle parts attached. They look like the bars on a ladder.

[gusty turret]

We don't care about the DNA anymore we're talking about space aids

[teal kelp]

What about both

[lyric tendon]

i mean if you are talking about genetics then ye

[bold dove]

This is dav. They only have a one track mind. Don't overload them.

[lyric tendon]

lmao

[gusty turret]

No i just have so many tracks i can't keep up

I got like 50 gerbils running at once

[lyric tendon]

i mean derailment is what this chat is all about, if you can't keep up, jump to the next train

[gusty turret]

Yeah it's a bad day if we stay talking about actual lore for more than 30 minutes

[lyric tendon]

nah i want more lore

[bold dove]

Don't overload the gerbils in your head.

[teal kelp]

So 1/2 days are bad

[tender wasp]

The Gerbils I had were sleeping most of the time..

[gusty turret]

Ares what insight can you give us about Rockwells space aids

[bold dove]

Well, i came to the conclusion that consuming Rockwell isn't cannibalism, since he's no longer biologically a human anymore.

[lyric tendon]

i drank way too many sugary caffeine, my gerbils are in overdrive rn

[tender wasp]

Mutations, caused by element which also causes the DNA to mutate strongly.

[bold dove]

You're telling me that they weren't beforehand?

[lyric tendon]

probably

[tender wasp]

But I work in pharma and I am also a biological assistant soo..

[gusty turret]

The titans were the physical manifestation of space aids

[lyric tendon]

enable mating animations

[bold dove]

Y'all heard about Chris Pratt playing as Mario?

[gusty turret]

No?

I want Chris Pratt to play Nerva

[tender wasp]

Yeah.. and as much I like Chris Pratt I was like

[bold dove]

They're having animated Mario movie, and Chris Prat is playing as Mario.

[bold dove]

Fuck no.

[bold dove]

Certain actors just don't fit certain roles.

[gusty turret]

Ryan Reynolds plays everyone, problem solved

[tender wasp]

As long he only voices him and they use game mario as model it could be fine.

[bold dove]

Even Ryan has his limits.

[gusty turret]

No he doesn't

[lyric tendon]

wew then again we have the Mario bros live action, that didn't phase me

[bold dove]

I'd be more fine if they didn't have the original fucking voice actor of mario as a fucking cameo.
At that point, why fucking have Chris Pratt?

[gusty turret]

Morgan Freeman should voice Helena instead

[tender wasp]

Yeah, sadly seen that to often lately. Also it reminded me of that old abomination Mario movie XD

[lyric tendon]

i'm pretty sure he died IRL

[bold dove]

To be fair, it's a decent movie if you don't imagine it as a mario movie.

[gusty turret]

It couldn't be as bad as the sonic movie

[tender wasp]

Yeah, especially cause Mario also is supposed to be Italien. I don't know why they lately are so hardcore with actors as cameo.. even in animated stuff were you actually have all possibilities to not have too.

[lyric tendon]

i mean there is no lore in the original game, people can do what ever they want with sonic

[bold dove]

Not the animated show, i mean the games. (yes, i mean the simple 'yahoo's.')

[gusty turret]

Something about a blue rat that runs really fast

I need a Mario version of the Godfather

[bold dove]

Charles Martinet, that's his name.

[bold dove]

Actually, it wasn't bad.

[gusty turret]

Don't even lie Mario as the Godfather would be fucking brilliant

[bold dove]

Box office wise it did decent. Fan wise, it did decently good.

I watched it. And honestly, wasn't bad.

[tender wasp]

Danny de Vito as Mario XD

[lyric tendon]

you should see Yoshi Death Stranding

[bold dove]

Hold up, can i send you a meme?

[tender wasp]

sure ^^

[lyric tendon]

do it

[gusty turret]

Wow Spartan has a sense of humor???

[teal kelp]

Who knew

[bold dove]

Jack Black as bowser though.

[gusty turret]

Jack Black could play princess peach

The Rock as Yoshi

Will Smith as Toad

[teal kelp]

Vin Diesel as Luigi

[tender wasp]

It feels all so off.. why does movie/Game industry do that ?

[bold dove]

Not gonna lie, Jack Black as bowser. I can see.

[gusty turret]

Vin Diesel as Bowser The Rock as Mario so we can finally see them fight

[teal kelp]

Yes

[tender wasp]

At least the Rock will win then 😉

[gusty turret]

David Tennant would be a good Toad methinks

[bold dove]

Bowser has always had a medium toned voice that's constantly deep and groaned.
Jack Black can get pretty damn deep if you've ever heard him before.

[teal kelp]

Nah Andrea Diprè as Luigi ez solos both

[tender wasp]

But he might slip when jumping on Vinnies head

[gusty turret]

Do you think he like waxes his head to keep it so shiny

[glad viper]

With his English or Scottish accent?

[gusty turret]

It can change from scene to scene

[tender wasp]

He might put baby oil on it.

[glad viper]

I've seen Vin Diesel with hair. It's unnerving

[gusty turret]

At least if he's on a sinking ship he can morse code for help now

[glad viper]

So, we wake up on a beach naked in ARK. But where do we come from?

[bold dove]

From a test-tube.

We're cloned just like the note survivors and where fucking yeeted to a beach.

[glad viper]

Damn. I wonder why Romans and ancient Chinese were cloned too though

[teal kelp]

Pretty sure they tried to clone as many people as possible

[gusty turret]

I remember something about it was to give everyone a second chance with higher resistance to things that would've screwed them over in their era like disease n shit

[tender wasp]

In an earlier stage of Ark the memories in the bodies were planned to be 100% artifical and only based on ideas of people that lived.
With the lore now they made engrammic matrixes of all kind of people they could find and were it still was possible. So it seemes they even didn't stop at graves of long dead and got DNA there.

I think they wanted a big varity of people, mindsets, etc. to have a big pool of possible survivors/people repopulating earth.

[lyric tendon]

yes grave robbing for science

[bold dove]

Immoral? Yes!
Practical? Yes!

[tender wasp]

Until they find our matrixes, clone us and realize what big mistake it was

[lyric tendon]

life imitates art lmao just pillar/foundation spams everywhere

[gusty turret]

So would Hitler have been on an Ark?

[lyric tendon]

Obviously not, he will not match the ideals of the Feds and the URE

Plus he committed "organic polymer" so there is nothing salvageable there

[tender wasp]

My mum would also not be on an Ark, cause even the most furious Giga would run from her XD

[mental basin]

The Sonic Movie was fucking awesome.

Bite me.

[lyric tendon]

That would be an asset lmao

[mental basin]

Actually, we do.

Santiago states that the idiots we have running around now rejecting modern medicine and using the whole "crystal healing" conspiracy are essentially the ones that became the Transhumans by enhancing themselves with Element.

[gusty turret]

I will

[teal kelp]

Lmfao

[mental basin]

That's literally what he says

And it makes sense.

Uma even kept Santiago's consciousness in repeat during his finals moments so she could gather information from him and his dead friend.

[teal kelp]

Ikr

[tender wasp]

Where does he state it ?
Also that has nothing to do with Uma keeping his consciousness. She wants to know what the last words of that guy to Santiago were.. and it seems it was not easy to figure them out.

[mental basin]

Let me find it.

It's in one of his earlier Notes.

[tender wasp]

Only courious so.

[mental basin]

"At first, transhumanism seemed like a mirror version of those old-timey crystal-healing nuts who rejected modern medicine-wackos grooving on the energies of the miracle discovery powering all our shiny tek junk.

Used to think I was just as big on tek, back when I was hacking media feeds and jailbreaking police bots in the favelas.

But when they started with all their brain modification and neuroprosthetics, I stopped understanding 'em.

Not that I agreed with the fed crackdown...
If someone wanted to disappear up their own interface port and commune with the infinite, I figured that was their business.

Who'd have thought we'd all end up going to war over that bullshit?

My project partner Uma would say Element's the proof of a higher power out there somewhere, trying to help us reach it.

If it really was a sacred gift from the stars, we've wasted it burning down our own home around us.

Hell, I personally designed weapons powered by that stuff."

Note 4, by the by.

[teal kelp]

Jeez the amount of slang he uses

[tender wasp]

Ah thx, that might be were I at least remembered the brain enhancing tek stuff from.

[mental basin]

That's Santiago for you. His character may have changed but his use of sentence enhancers haven't.

[teal kelp]

You smell like you vented (vented)
Farded (farded)
Dead body reported all sus you imposter

[digital flower]

[teal kelp]

I know

[unborn beacon]

Would Rockwell be considered a transgender?
He went man to monster
His pronouns are leader and master
(It's a joke)

[lyric tendon]

Your joke is lame, you should feel bad

[regal beacon]

As someone who is trans, I'll admit, I didn't laugh

[soft raptor]

The joke was actually so dead

[soft raptor]

What is trans

[teal kelp]

The funi

Haha

XDDDD

LOLLLL

Lemao

Zedong

[mental basin]

Ok.

[mental basin]

Didn't really make a whole lot of sense.

[gusty turret]

It lacked a punchline and everything it just didn't make sense

[gusty turret]

This on the other hand was absolutely hilarious

[lyric tendon]

I'm in a mood for making a timeline of ARK before the Tek War which would include the spin-offs like Ark Park, ARK Mobile, and PixARK (since 2/3 are technically are in-game canon)

[bold dove]

ARK mobile is 100% not canon. With it introducing an new material that was never mentioned in the official lore. Aka crack cocaine amber.

That Rockwell also literally made it into a fine powder and fucking snorted it.

Though ARK Park and PixARK are loose-canon, so they 'could' fit. And realitivly easily.

[lyric tendon]

I was thinking of it as "what's going on within the protoARK"

While whole dino implants and the experimentations according to their boss dossiers

[bold dove]

ARK Park would be the canonical first game, being set from what it seems like either before, in inbetween the tek-war and element crisis.
It's also could be easily assumed that the "rouge dinosaurs" that are in the tower defense gamemode are possibly proto-corrupted creatures. More acting like a true zombie where they're infected and rabid at first, but slowly decompose from the element inside of them overtime.
PixARK is just a prototype Genesis-simulation. As seen in the Genesis-1 notes, you can see the prototype is really fucking blocky.
This is of course probably low geometry, but if we're fitting the game into the official lore, it would suit it being a prototype of the simulation. Adding and removing creatures over it's life till it stick with a more 70% dinosaur and 30% soft fantasy. Then the 40% dinosaur and 60% high fantasy that PixARK has.

[lyric tendon]

Added the fact there is a Glitch Note in Gen 1 about a guy trying to cast fireballs in the sim

[bold dove]

Yeah, could've been tester previously of the prototype and didn't get the email that they patched out the fireball ability.

[mental basin]

What about the Dodo morph ability

[bronze turtle]

does Rockwell shit

[gusty turret]

Id say so

There's little juice holes in the top of his innards he just has diarrhea constantly

[rigid grove]

[fallow sapphire]

Oh not this again

[gusty turret]

Well they asked🙄

[novel mountain]

If magmasaurs are an actual creature ITG then why are they in a simulation

By that logic does that mean that they aren’t a thing and only exist within the simulation

[mental basin]

We don't really know if they're real Creatures.

We haven't seen them anywhere outside of the Genesis Simulation.

Transferring Creatures isn't a Canonical event if I am correct.

We know Feroxes and Bloodstalkers are real.

We see them on the Genesis Ship.

[bold dove]

It's never explained if transfering tames is canon or not.

[mental basin]

We really dunno. Even then, transferring a digital Creature doesn't make it a natural occurrence.

If anything you're just giving life and a body to a digital creation.

That's what blurs it.

Among.. other things.

[rigid palm]

Its definitely possible, just never confirmed

[mental basin]

I swear to fucking God Dav if you make another Among Us joke I will strangle you.

[bold dove]

Thank you.

[gusty turret]

ඞ

[mental basin]

Start running.

[gusty turret]

Nah I'll just vent

[gusty turret]

As a wise omni once said

[gusty turret]

Technically we do know because of the genesis chronicle on scorched where it talks about them being tested, we don't know if any other Arks have them but we know for sure they did physically exist at one point

Unless you mean real as in not genetically engineered

[bold dove]

Chronicles are only semi-canon

[median stream]

Wasn't the simulation for the survivors to train in during the trip, preparing for the new world. It would stand to reason the simulation would "create" new lifeforms for the survivors to learn to overcome.

Over thousands of years of travel it could have a list of survivors to choose to send to any surface it encountered.

[lyric tendon]

It's pretty much the premise of Gen 1

[wheat birch]

Wait there’s lore

[lyric tendon]

yes there is legit lore

all you need is to read the notes

[digital flower]

There's legit lore and cursed lore

Choose your poison

[teal kelp]

Choose legit lore for yourself

Cursed lore is lethal

[lyric tendon]

yes the #CursedLore

someone should make a thread on that

[gusty turret]

I wonder if Rockwell still got horny in his mutant form

[teal kelp]

The innards boutta turn white

[glad viper]

Probably too busy thinking about... wait what were Rockwell's motivations and goals?

[gusty turret]

Maybe he did it all because he was horny

[lyric tendon]

in the ARK Arc, he wants to be recognized or basically use Element in his personal discovery

in Gen Saga...... i have no idea, to me he feels like a generic villain who wants to take over the world of whateves but to me that motive is more "Element talking" not really Rockwell's Intents

[mental basin]

In Genesis: Part 2 his goal was to hijack the ship.

And then find a planet to call his own.

[glad viper]

The planet we see in the Ark II trailer?

[lyric tendon]

possibly

[teal kelp]

Pretty sure after that he also wanted to spread thru space and corrupt the universe but that was something really far from his reach

[glad viper]

I think Rockwell died and the Element took over

[lyric tendon]

not really "dead" just the element took over

[tender wasp]

No, it is still Rockwell but he wants to be god.

And he is affraid/envious of Helena

[lyric tendon]

he's more afraid of being overshadowed by helena

[teal kelp]

I think it's still rockwell but partially driven by element, like an addiction, like Ares says, he still hates Helena

[tender wasp]

But the writing of gen 2 is kinda floppy and codradicting at times

[lyric tendon]

very

[mental basin]

Yes. Entirely.

[lyric tendon]

i'm more in the line of Rockwell and the Element have a mutual agreement after long battle for control in AB

[mental basin]

I don't really think so.

It's not.. a battle??

[tender wasp]

I think after he freed himself from the Ark he is more Rockwell again but with a big fat god complex

[lyric tendon]

i mean his body naturally fight against element when he injected hit

his primal instincts like roars and grunts is him fighting the mutation until he realized he can control his new form until the ARK frees him and his new found understanding of being Abs overseer sparked his god complex

[tender wasp]

And he might have embraced Element.. but as I said, he feels wierd sometimes and the writing since gen is not very consistant.

[glad viper]

Rockwell must've been a bad chemist if he has a God complex

[lyric tendon]

not really, you can be a good chemist but with a high horse of a ego

[tender wasp]

He got that later. He is affraid of dying and not leaving a mark in history.

[glad viper]

It's the infallibility part though. A scientist must know when he is wrong

[tender wasp]

Lol

Not really.

[glad viper]

They kinda do

[lyric tendon]

sadly hes a insert old century here era of scientist

[tender wasp]

I work in Pharma and in development and I have met several Dr., Biologists, etc.. and some have such a high ego they think they are right even if they are plainly wrong.

[glad viper]

Maybe 19th century chemists just sucked at being scientists in general

[lyric tendon]

in his time, peer review is off the window, it's a race for discovery

biggest example... how paleontology started and the bone wars

[glad viper]

Well they suck

Yes I, a high school student with zero qualifications, just said they suck and I'm totally 100% better than them

[lyric tendon]

^and that's the example of a high ego

[tender wasp]

YOu have people like thate everywere.. start to work and you will meet a lot of them.

[glad viper]

Surely Rockwell could've done some good with the Element

[lyric tendon]

possibly but his intentions are for fame not for the greater good

[glad viper]

Wow what a loser

[tender wasp]

Rockwell also was egoistic. He wanted to make the big deal with element and the Tek tribe treating him like an old men.. he did not like it and wanted to proof he is better and experimented against better advice.

[glad viper]

Man I forget people aren't like me sometimes

[mental basin]

This.

[tender wasp]

As said, Rockwell wanted it for fame and to leave a mark in history. He wanted to be remembered.

And element promised him all that, fame, godhood and an option to live forever.

[glad viper]

Understandable, but I have a feeling no-one is really left outside of the Arks. I don't know much about the lore though

[tender wasp]

As long as people from the Arks remember him or like later with the ship.. he wants to create his own world, his own universe, following his own rules and he would be a god with a world that dances like he wants it.

Actually the ultimate option no one ever will forget him, cause he is the big creator.

[mental basin]

Speaking of God.

I don't think there is a 'God' in the ARK universe.

Biblical references galore but we're far beyond the extinction of the humans even on The Island.

And nobody came.

So, hot take, there is no God in the ARK universe. ☕

[lyric tendon]

||i mean there is no god in general, just a figment of human imagination||

[mental basin]

I was trying to avoid that but alright.

[lyric tendon]

It's kinda wierd that WE have to make the Gen Saga work for the entire ARK 1 lore instead of having the writer do their research and make the Gen Saga work

The premise is there, it kinda works on theory but bad in executution instead of having us make it sound reasonable instead of solving this great mystery

[tender wasp]

I simply eredicated it from my lore.. so I don't have to make it work and several other reasons XD

[digital flower]

Yeah that's why to me the genesis saga has a different survivor in my own survivors lore

I'd like to believe it never happened but we can't

[tender wasp]

You can but then you have to make your own lore

That is what I do and allready did anyways by changing the lore.

But if you wanna stay true to the lore you can't

Or you stick to earth.. there all is open and you can ignore Gen/Gen 2 as well

A reason I often say my story is very Ark inspired but not really Ark.

[lyric tendon]

I wish they just keep it in the dark instead of "rockwell did it" in day 1

Make CMC's voice sound like an amalgamation instead of a male voice, i dont really mind having HLNA be the encyclopedia of the ship itself and maybe more in-depth with the creatures more like Helena herself

[digital flower]

I am sticking true to the lore but you know the loopholes like how did the survivor get to the gen 2 ship and if its the same survivor as extinction

I'd like to believe the extinction and gen 2 survivor are different and gen 2 is a clone of extinction hence the implant

[tender wasp]

I know but they left it up to us and you can actually say.. your survivor never got on the ship and stayed back on earth and continue there. Would not even violate lore.

[digital flower]

Yeah I guess but imo gen saga is vital for the story to move on

[tender wasp]

Not really, depending on were you want to move it on.

For my story Gen/Gen 2 is not relvant at all

[lyric tendon]

Tbh ARK 2 should be started as Gen instead of forcing it in ARK 1

[digital flower]

Yeah I mean I would've just been fine with the story stopping at Extinction as well but its kind of interesting with the idea of a alien planet with natives

Except the prim setting screw that

Another one of my reasons why I'm more hyped for the animated series over ark 2

[lyric tendon]

Actually if ARK 2 starts in the Gen Sim it makes sense about the whole orks and prim only jazz

[tender wasp]

I even find the Aline planet setting meh. Earth would have had tons of possibilities, like old ruins to xplore and to find out more hints what happend in the past.

[digital flower]

Yeah I also kind of feel like ark 2 should've started in the gen saga

[tender wasp]

YOu mean Ark 2 as a sim ?

[lyric tendon]

Yep

[tender wasp]

Yeah than it actually would make sense. Than even screwed characters would at least be explainable

[teal kelp]

Let's not get into it pls

[lyric tendon]

Then just scroll down and ignore the big spoiler block

[digital flower]

Also for me the only thing ark 2 has going for it is the story if they manage to actually do a good job with its presentation and for the love of God dont change the methods you used to collect the pieces of the puzzle and solve it

[lyric tendon]

I would be interested if ARK 2 is a sim and a precurser of ARK 1 but that's an absolute stretch now with the whole Gen Saga in ARK 1 deal

[digital flower]

I like running around collecting notes

If ark 2 removes that theirs going to be issues

[tender wasp]

Also characters like Vindiago totaly screwed would make sense in some way cause they could be programmed that way.

[digital flower]

Yeah I'm kind of hoping I can grow to like Vin Diago but so far my impression of his character hasn't been great

[tender wasp]

Doubt thatt. I think they made pretty clear it is a prequel.

[lyric tendon]

S a m e

[tender wasp]

I am sure I can't cause the ending of Gen 2 allready cemented my fear of what he will be like.

This with the trailer allready shows the typical Vin Diesel char and that is what we will get in Ark 2

[lyric tendon]

ARK 2's trailer wont help that much

[digital flower]

Would be interesting to see what happens before humanity goes extinct and to see the story told in the perspective of orginial Santiago and Diana during the federation and ure conflict

Like a movie or something

After animated series

[lyric tendon]

Same here hence i want a Tek War RTS prequel

[digital flower]

Lol

[teal kelp]

100% won't happen sadly

[tender wasp]

Yeah would be cool as long Santiago is not played by Vin Diesel.

[digital flower]

I'd imagine the pre ark Santiago would've been very different to ark Santiago and Gen Santiago

So he probably would've had a different personality

Because even ark Santiago didn't know if he was the real one or had the real personality or memories

[tender wasp]

I think War Santiago is way more than the Ark Santiago.

[lyric tendon]

Possibly but for one thing certain, he ain't gonna be in the field like ARK and Gen Santiago