lore-nerdz

[mental basin]

She's become an automaton, essentially.

[tender wasp]

Helena homo deus is not on the ship

[iron hound]

She can't be with us on the ship because our "path leads beyond (her) reach"

[zenith terrace]

Ayo whats the story behind extinction?

[lyric tendon]

WW3 Happened with Tek and Element turns into corruption

[gusty turret]

There's no reason to believe she lost herself yet, we have no clue how long it takes to fade, if its conditional, anything really

We just know she was gonna stay on Earth and help tho im not sure how much help she could provide seeing as the Arks lose functionality after the reseeding

[zenith terrace]

U what

[lyric tendon]

The Homo Deus/Overseers might lose their purpose after the reseed

They might fade eventually

[mental basin]

She's not.

But Helena Walker is.

Supposedly, if it is true that the Federation managed to dig up all of humanity to put on the ship.

Then she's somewhere in a pod.

Or Corrupted.

If she's corrupted she's probably gone.

[tender wasp]

Or one of the pods that never makes it to the planet

[mental basin]

What I was about to say

There's an entire other half of the ship

That's probably the half Rockwell corr-

Perfection

It is, that's the ring he's using to corrupt Survivors

Because we see him spreading in that part of the ship

And that's the only part he's on

[mental basin]

You know this means Rockwell's on there, right

And Raia

Imamu

Isabelle

[tender wasp]

Maybe. We don‘t know. Not all pods get safe to the planet.

[mental basin]

Precisely

[tender wasp]

But all would be reboots with no knowledge of the arks, cause they never did lead the ark lives

[digital flower]

Even if that is to be true I imagine like with Santiago their memories or personalitys would probably be ronfigured or different they would be completely different people

Including Rockwell

We don't even know if the memories from the arks survivors are their real memories

[gusty turret]

Ngl i doubt it for regular people they just did it for Santiago so he would be a better leader and not remember all the war atrocities he did

They obviously wont remember the Arks but they'll probably be basically the same people

[tender wasp]

Santiago is the only one who finds out to some degree.. the others don’t

They could habe altered eveyone to be a better fit, easier to handle, to better fit

[digital flower]

Even still they probably won't be able to harness the power of element for a few centuries considering their primitive state

[gusty turret]

Do you really think they would've taken the time to alter every single person in a race against the corruption?

[tender wasp]

When you have centuries on a ship ? Yes

They even can amd could habe done while in space, especially after the incident with suicide man

[digital flower]

Either way I dont think they'll be returning a bunch of the arks survivors in ark 2

Just wouldn't be fun or interesting

Itd be like reading a fucking marvel comic

For me personally they already killed Santiago a long time ago

[tender wasp]

For Santiago they did it so he can be controlled, does not remember hos past and him to be easy to handle and to do on the ship what he has to do. They even is not as smart as the original and actually all is a big excuse so he could be rewritten to fit Vin Diesel

[tender wasp]

Same, for me Santiago died in extinction and they should have kept him dead and simply made a new char for VD.

And I hope they keep the others chars dead.. and don’t bring them back and slaughter their personalities as well.

[gusty turret]

this is a big company we're talking about, why wouldn't they recycle characters for the sole reason of being lazy and making money from it

[mental basin]

Maybe, maybe

They wouldn't be the same anyways

New places, new people, new experiences, new memories.

[digital flower]

I dont think WC is as big as a company people think it is sure it has a large revenue because of how successful ark has been for them and its dlc but its only got about 30 employees

Hello Games is around the same and their still classed as an indie company

[plain plover]

they have enough employees to have two offices

[digital flower]

Oh grapeshot?

[plain plover]

One in Seattle one in Florida

[digital flower]

Forgot about them maybe it is larger than I thought isn't wc also apart of snail games?

[plain plover]

Wildcard is an indie studio, snail games is a tyrannical conglomerate

[mental basin]

God..

I want to be a part of Wildcard so bad.

You know what

I'm doing it

[digital flower]

[mental basin]

I'm gonna work hard and become a part of Wildcard

[digital flower]

Sshhhh dont diss our Chinese overloads

[bold dove]

Seattle is their main one if i recall right.
Which actually, i live near.

[bold dove]

They actually seem like a healthy team. Seeing how they compliment each other online.
Though things 'can' be different in real-life.

[mental basin]

Possibly

[mental basin]

Be a friend, break in and kidnap Vin Diesel for us, would you?

We need him for science

[bold dove]

You.....you don't fucking live in the office of your workplace in the gaming industry. 👀

[mental basin]

Not usually

But it doesn't hurt to dream

[bold dove]

Honestly. I would've preferred if the Rock played Santiago instead.

[tender wasp]

[mental basin]

You know what

[tender wasp]

Both are no fit but I also would prefere the rock

[bold dove]

Cause atleast the Rock would've gave a better performance, and feel more human then "Big man. Big muscles."

[digital flower]

No you sit on your chair all day playing call of duty and harass others cough cough Activision Blizzard cough

[mental basin]

Paul Walker would have been great for Santiago.
It's kind of weird and oddly makes me upset.

He deserved better.

[bold dove]

Yeah, that's why i also said "Though things 'can' be different in real-life." 👀

Though Blizzard's always been a shady as fuck company when it came to women.

[tender wasp]

Could have been if he colored his hair dark and goes more hispanic.. sadly he is no more

[bold dove]

Rip

[mental basin]

I genuinely don't mean it in a bad way, it's horrible how things went down for him.

I feel kind of bad honestly.

Poor guy..

Nothing you can do about it now, best to move on.

[digital flower]

I never seen any of the fast and furious movies and only knew about Paul Walker until his death is that bad?

[bold dove]

Now hear me out for this horrible idea.
Ryan reynolds as Santiago.

[tender wasp]

Would have been better than VD

[digital flower]

Even worse idea

Adam Sandler

[bold dove]

Actually.....he 'could' fit with some of the smartassery of Santiago.

[tender wasp]

Not best idea but at least better performance

[mental basin]

Well, he was originally the main character of the Fast and the Furious. But he died during filming in a car crash. I didn't know until right before I watched Fast and Furious 6. His twin brother had to step in.

The ending of F6 is actually really sad.

I can't remember, I think I may've cried a bit.

[gusty turret]

The Rock and Vin Diesel should've fought for who gets to play Santiago

[mental basin]

Eh..

[tender wasp]

No..

[gusty turret]

Wildcard could've sold tickets to have more funding for Ark 2

[bold dove]

Talking about Ryan.
Technically the Deadpool movies are going to become canon.

Canon to the MCU. Not ARK*

[gusty turret]

Oh

Lets make him canon in Ark too

Wildcards gonna be like Epic and sell out their game to have crossovers with popular stuff

[digital flower]

Introduce the rock as another clone of Santiago

[tender wasp]

[gusty turret]

Introduce Doctor Phil as another clone of Santiago

[mental basin]

I can see that

[gusty turret]

Doctor Phil would've made a good Rockwell actually

Just completely rewrite him as a modern day therapist

[mental basin]

Shut the fuck up

This is putting horrible images in my head

Now I'm obliged to draw Dr. Edmund Philwell

[bold dove]

Phillwell.

OwOPillwell

[gusty turret]

He's gonna send us to the Ranch for being bothersome to his mission

[mental basin]

Cumwell

Grovel

[bold dove]

And now 'all' of those you need to draw

[mental basin]

YES

I accept the challenge

[tender wasp]

Not me lol

[mental basin]

Grovel

[gusty turret]

I thought that was Markiplier at first because i have garbage eyes

[mental basin]

Hello everybody my name is Markiplier

And welcome back to Five Nights at Freddy's.

[bold dove]

Hello everybody, my name is Markiberber

[plain plover]

I live in San Diego I have seen 5 people this week who fit the the Santiago portrait in the notes exactly

They chose Vin Diesel Because he 1. Is a big profile actor who is willing to work for free 2.actually likes the game

Those are two 10s on the scoreboard, the downside is that he doesn’t fit the character’s previous design or personality

Which is why I think he should have played a new character

[gusty turret]

Steve Harvwell

[mental basin]

San Diego
Santieo
Santigo
Santiago

San Diego
Sandieg
Sandi
Sans

[gusty turret]

Alexa play Megalovania

Who wins Sans or Rockwell

[mental basin]

Sans.

[plain plover]

*in a rap battle

[mental basin]

Sans could take Rockwell no problem.

He's a magical skeleton. He could easily defeat him.

[gusty turret]

Ngl they both fight in very similar styles

[mental basin]

Not really.

Sans can dodge, bring bones through the ground, manipulate gravity and summon Gaster Blasters.

Rockwell literally can't move.

Sans would have no problem defending himself from the old man.

[gusty turret]

Rockwell summons tentacles from the ground

[lyric tendon]

Sans dodge fast, the tentacles are slower than Chara's swings

[gusty turret]

Do you really thing theyd be that slow if it was live action

[lyric tendon]

you trying to put IRL physics on a magical skeleton monster

[gusty turret]

Yes

We have to consider how the fight would realistically go because its impossible to cross compare two games nothing alike

He obviously isn't completely skeleton because im pretty sure he bleeds when you finally manage to cut him

[junior oak]

bone ghost big octopus

[junior oak]

i think bone guy sounds like he kills a big octopus

[lyric tendon]

he ate catsup, all the catsup is in clothes... basically chara pop a balloon

[gusty turret]

Friendly reminder Chara isn't the bad guy the player is if they chose the genocide route

[mental basin]

Ketchup.

[bronze turtle]

Possibly the ruined/corrupted places where termals or whatever they are called are at. Is just failed portals of other survivors trying to reach the outside world? We already know that there were other survivors already anyway. Also we aren't randomly sent onto the island we are there to try and save the dinosaur's or humanity in this case I think. Just my opinion

[lyric tendon]

the terminals are a mystery

there some game features dont have lore in them

[gleaming roost]

hey kinda random question but when the main characters would ascend to the next ark did they bring any items or dinos with them?

like from island- scorched earth were they able to bring anything do a lore friendly 1 life run with some friends

[lyric tendon]

no, even Mei Yin dont have the remaining dinos with her

[rigid palm]

What? But Mei Yin is admin

[lyric tendon]

true she don't need her island dinos

[gleaming roost]

so if im doing an ark run by the lore i should just go to the next map empty?

[rigid palm]

Ah, so she could have but there was no need?

[gleaming roost]

i never knew she was an admin neat. i never finished gen 2 yet

[rigid palm]

Yep. Mei uses admin mode

[lyric tendon]

depends if you want "true" but you can bring just primitive items

[bold dove]

Actually, we don't know with the dinosaur part. Since no one bothered to.

[gleaming roost]

ill just go with no items then trying to beat every ark in 1 life

[bold dove]

Mei-Yin's tames all died before hand.
Nerva's where slaughtered by the Overseer.
Helena ditched hers.
Rockwell did the same.

[bold dove]

You can bring what you brought to the cave. They did in the notes.

And the tames part is probably left for interpretation.

[gleaming roost]

makes sense so what i brought to the bossfight i can bring with me

[bold dove]

Which is a good 40% of the lore anyway.

[bold dove]

I'd say "up to you" only cause it's never explained.

[gleaming roost]

thanks for all the help guys

[lyric tendon]

excpet for Mei's Giga

[gleaming roost]

what happend to her giga?

iv read all the lore notes up to gen 1 and i know she was the master tamer

[bold dove]

She 100% ditched that Giga.
It was a leading cause of her raptors death. She'd have a somewhat dislike for them.

[gleaming roost]

damn rip that giga

[bold dove]

And it 100% wouldn't fit into the cave.

[rigid palm]

Mei’s fault for using a raptor

[bold dove]

You're gonna 'really' be like that.

TL:DR
You can 100% take any gear that you ascend with since that's mentioned in lore. But the tames part is up for you.

[rigid palm]

Of course. What use does a raptor have?

[gleaming roost]

thanks rockwell appreciate it

[bold dove]

In-game, early protector and meat harvesters.
In-universe, a companion you can emotionally attach to.

[rigid palm]

Yeah, but their weight…

[gleaming roost]

id have to say in-universe i think a direwolf would be best companion that or a bulbdog

[rigid palm]

Shadowmane. It curls up with you when you sleep

[gleaming roost]

ok that is pretty dope

but bulbdogs are the best tame in game

[rigid palm]

Gonna have to disagree

[gleaming roost]

but that face though its adorable

[bold dove]

Raptors realistically in ARK would be tougher.
Their scales would be dencer then the wolfs fur. And their claws are sharper then their bite.

[rigid palm]

Its kinda hideous

[gleaming roost]

its ugly cute like a pug

[rigid palm]

If you want ugly cute try noglin

[gleaming roost]

that is true rockwell they would most likely be faster to

how about a mana vs rockdrake which would be a better companion

[bold dove]

Mana, since it can just stunlock freeze the drake.

[lyric tendon]

just use the tames that are only in the map

[bold dove]

For balancing purposes. That's probably the best.

[lyric tendon]

no breeding, just leveling

[bold dove]

Why not any breeding?

[lyric tendon]

challenge

[gusty turret]

Did the Giga not die in Nervas ambush after she did one of the bosses, i could've swore Mei escaped with just a carno

[gusty turret]

If you're just using it as a mount and not fighting anyone 100% a drake manas are more for pvp drakes are more tanky in general for pve plus their damage buff to reapers and ability to heal using nameless venom

And you can cloak on a drake and wild dinos will ignore you

[rigid palm]

Since when do drakes have damage buffs against reapers?

[gusty turret]

Always

[lyric tendon]

they dont have damage buff, only with a light pet

[gusty turret]

Its either a damage buff or extra armor against reapers

Unless the wiki lied to me?

[rigid palm]

They don’t have either unless I’m mistaken

[gusty turret]

Wtf

Apparently not

Maybe im thinking of reapers taking reduced damage from drakes?

[rigid palm]

Havent heard of that either

[gusty turret]

There's gotta be something like that i know im not crazy

Maybe i am just crazy

I could've swore they had a buff against each other because they were natural enemies or something

[bold dove]

Always.
They're a natural predator to Reapers.

[gusty turret]

So im not crazy?

[rigid palm]

Ik they’re natural predators but I don’t think they have damage buffs against them

[gusty turret]

I didn't see it on the wiki when i skimmed but I've been playing aberration for over a year with the impression they do

So idk

Even without a damage buff to reapers id still take a drake over a mana for pve any day

[rigid palm]

I’d take a drake over mana for the only reason that mana’s stam sucks

[gusty turret]

I've seen pvp people complain because they can't get like 20k hp, 1000% melee and still have enough stam to fly around for 20 minutes

Ngl one reason i don't like using gigas is their stam, it's completely balanced but that doesn't mean i like it

Pretty sure spinos on official outclass gigas anyways

[rigid palm]

0.2 per point lol

And it runs out so quickly…

[gusty turret]

One good thing is you don't have to worry about them passing out from exhaustion tho

Unless you literally force it to walk and bite for like 20 hours or something

[lyric tendon]

The only thing that Drakes have against Reapers is a detector

[bold dove]

Really?

[plain plover]

they supposedly are the Nameless's major predetor, yet they don't posses charge light, the nameless's main weakness

[gusty turret]

The dossier also says they're the reapers main predator that's why i was in such strong belief they had a damage buff

[lyric tendon]

People use drakes to detect burried queens and avoiding surface reapers for loot runs

When their head crest starts rising up, the drake detected a reaper

That's how Helena got the "Reaper's Main Predator" idea but in reality the real predator of reapers is a light pet

[lyric tendon]

Hell that's the same girl thinks Pegos are harmless, fishes and titanoboas are untameable

[gusty turret]

I still wanna know how Helena wrote the dossiers for extinction

[lyric tendon]

Spare time when she's still human?

People gonna have hobbies or a coping mechanism

[gusty turret]

As far as we can tell her and Mei only see the creatures when Helena is in her little coma or whatever

On their way to the hall of ascension

[lyric tendon]

Other Ext. Authors: in a war against the corrupted

Helena: ooo a Gasbag

[gusty turret]

Unless she somehow managed to encounter all the creatures on her own before she put the little rock in her implant when Mei wouldn't let her out of her sight there simply is no way she encountered them

[lyric tendon]

Tamed ones?

[gusty turret]

I don't think they cared enough to tame them when they were all in meks

Mei talks about them like they're completely new encounters when she tames them while delivering Helena to the hall of ascension so i think her writing the dossiers are just a plothole

[oak root]

don't mind me, just replying 2 days late... but i N E E D t h i s

[digital flower]

^

[thorn canopy]

She did and I saw it when she said it

[digital flower]

I thought it was known that PS doesn't have a early access program?

[thorn canopy]

Yeah, what we are talking about is that Dollie said that Ark 2 won’t come on PS at launch because it will launch in early access

[digital flower]

Oh ok I was just confused why he said it was a theory, I thought he was saying it was a theory that ps doesn't support early access programs when its a fact that they don't

[iron hound]

Well, she deleted her message then

[stuck island]

Reaper are a punishment from the overseer, the overseer should've took them from earth and put them on aberration

[thorn canopy]

Yeah Ig, I couldn’t find it

FM saw the message as well

[lyric tendon]

Overseers want something more punishing hence they make their own creature and at the same time, not corrupted because as the time all the ARKs are in space, animals on earth are extinct (aside from snow owls, sloths, and tardigrades)

same with Wyverns on Scorched

[low nova]

the overseer is just the islands guardian…

[lyric tendon]

nope, the Overseer is just a Overseer

the guardians are the Obelisk Bosses

(the biggest exception is Rockwell and his other forms)

[stuck island]

No, every ark has an overseer
Then there are the guardians
Rockwell stole the overseer spot when he became the monster

[lyric tendon]

he didn't "stole" the overseer's "spot" the ARK choose (or rather forced) Rockwell to be the replacement of the Overseer while he's in his "uncontrollable" state

[stuck island]

Exactly that, Im not a native English speaker so I couldn't explain it

[lyric tendon]

same here

[ornate hull]

Ok but explain to me the lore of why ark is on stadia

[stuck island]

Because money

[mental basin]

Unfactual.

[gusty turret]

I wonder if all the overseers look like that or if they're all different shapes

[bitter barn]

So is the Astrodelphis technically the only alien in Ark or am I missing something

[teal kelp]

Astrocetus is also an alien

[bitter barn]

Does it say that somewhere or are we just assuming

[gusty turret]

We don't really need to assume its pretty obvious

[lyric tendon]

they are probably the same since the whole ARKs are build the same apart from the land it took from

[silver coral]

sorry

[ornate hull]

So are astrocetus

[bitter barn]

I just kinda thought the Astrocetus was a creature from the Genesis simulation

but since they are in Genesis 2 (real world) they could also be aliens

[gusty turret]

Astro- relating to space
Cetus- denoting a large fish, whale, or shark

So its name literally just means space whale

[lyric tendon]

Cetus is just Whales
Itchys means fish

[gusty turret]

"Cetus. In ancient Greek, the word ketos - Latinized as cetus - denotes a large fish, a whale, a shark, or a sea monster. "

That's just the first result when i google it

[digital flower]

Eh still better than straight up calling it Space Whale... wait a minute

[mental basin]

Astrodelphis and most likely Astrocetus.
Also the blue men in the ARK 2 trailer.

[rigid palm]

The orcs arent blue men, and yeah they’re technically aliens

[gusty turret]

I think we're more of the aliens they're just innocent natives

[rigid palm]

From a human point of view, they’re the aliens since anything on earth isn’t. Anyone else’s point of view however we would be considered aliens

[bitter barn]

so do we know who the blue men are?

[vestal saffron]

The Natives of the planet ARK II takes place on.

[mental basin]

Yeah, they are.

And they're not technically aliens either.

They are aliens.

And correction for the picky. "Greyish-navy men".

[bitter barn]

Prussian Blue

Titanium white

[mental basin]

I can't read that anymore without having Bob Ross in my head.

"Titanium HHHwhyte"

[bitter barn]

Ark painting is the best feature

[gusty turret]

Im surprised ark painting never got as bad as Rust

You log into rust and are immediately confronted by ThE tHiRd ReIcH

[rigid palm]

They arent men tho

They’re orcs

[mental basin]

They're most likely not.

Actually, they aren't.

It's the just the temporary name we gave them.

[rigid palm]

True

But they for sure arent men, the chance of the same species on two different planets without interaction beforehand is extremely small, pretty much impossible statistically

[bold dove]

"Orc" suits them more.

[teal kelp]

They are smurfs

[tender wasp]

Might have messed them up with the Navi from avatar. Not to hard when the planet looks a lot like Avatar.

[mental basin]

I like that actually.

[serene dust]

thats stupid af

[plain plover]

I don’t think they’re element mutants, but I do find their appearance strange as they seem to have random spikes protruding from their skin, like moles for humans.

[bold dove]

So in all seriousness. How'd you guys feel if they pulled a All Tomorrows move, and started having other sapient species that deprived from humans?

[plain plover]

Qu vs Vin diesel epic rap battle

Something on the planet does seem to be rapidly evolving things, I thought Ark 2 was going to take place millions of years after Gen 2 but The easy part proved that’s wrong

[bold dove]

There's that concept art that showed a giant energy source.

Thought it would've been the warpdrive from the ship. But that ship didn't crash on the planet.

[bold dove]

Like, if that's their explanation, then it could be a reasoning to have a fantasy"esc" way of having different sapient races.

[pure cipher]

Some debris fell from the ship along with the eden ring, so idk

[bold dove]

Actually, we don't 'know' if it's the eden-ring.
The eden ring was just fine last thing we say it in Genesis 2's ending. And the "eden-ring" in the ARK 2 trailer seems more rocky then rusted metal.

[pure cipher]

True haha

I might have already asked this question but is there any confirmed lore/information on what aberration looked like before it got nuked?

[fallow sapphire]

I believe it just says a paradise, so probably very tropical

[bold dove]

There's a heightmap that Diana showed.
100% isn't The Island, but it was 'a' island.

[pure cipher]

Well actually now in my mind, since there was only one aberration, whatever map it was before, we wouldn’t have seen yet and there would most likely be more of them. I don’t think it could have been the island, neither se because from what I know, it’s no paradise. Abb, The island, and SE are the only story arks, and if abb used to be some other map than the island or se then there are confirmed other story arks we haven’t seen.

[pure cipher]

I think that might “confirm” my theory lol

[bold dove]

The Island seem like the most prominent 'model' of a ARK. Though it's now known if they're actually there, or just reused assets.
So whatever Abberation was before was either a one and only model of a ARK. Or we just haven't seen 'all' of the models.

[pure cipher]

Another question, what was/is the estimated/known time between the Gen 2 ending and the Ark 2 trailer? I don’t expect an exact answer, but incase there is I’m making sure lol

[bold dove]

Not 100% confirmed. But possibly only hours, to days, to months at most.

Since they haven't gotten anything more then some loincloths and hide-like chest pieces, and shatty spears made out of the ship itself.
So i wouldn't say 'too' long after.

[pure cipher]

I’ll go ahead and watch the trailer again, but from what I can currently remember one of the rings had already crashed on the planet, but like what you are saying with them not being too far advanced I wouldn’t believe that it is too long after the gen 2 ending

[bold dove]

Yeah, i rewatched it too. And they 'could' easily be just deformed rocks.
This planet isn't at all normal.
Also seems like it's more like a passage way if you look at the background

[pure cipher]

I just watched it again, definitely a very different planet, it’s hard to get a good picture of it in the trailer but I believe can see life on the ring. (Trees, plants, etc.) so this could mean it was the eden ring that crashed, or the Rockwell ring. Although, there is some way we maybe could find out the truth without it being told to us directly. The dinos we see in the trailer look much different from the dinos we are used to. They most likely adapted to the new climate and terrain, but I don’t know how they would have adapted so quickly. Either way, the dinos from the ark 2 trailer would of had to of came from the rings, and survived the crash to populate the planet. Unless there was some plan, like the ring separation sequence, to populate a habitable planet with genetically modified dinosaurs and mammals to adapt swiftly to their surroundings, then I have no clue.

[pure cipher]

But, the dinosaurs on the arks and rings were already modified, so this is probably why.

[mental basin]

A design change in a Rex doesn't mean rapid evolution

[pure cipher]

I know that, but I’m not sure if it was a design change to make them look better or just to make it fit with the setting 😅

[mental basin]

To make them more accurate.

[plain plover]

Then, what is the reason the design changed

The times different Dino design changed to make them look cool there was a reason

Aberration’s high radiation, Genesis 2 being a simulation, Gen 2 Rockwell mutation

[pure cipher]

Either way, the design changed for some reason, either to make them look better or to fit with the climate, as I have heard there will be seasons in ark 2.

[plain plover]

I get the designs change to fit environment but what I mean is what the lore reason is

[ember solar]

Genesis ship ring got bored of the old design so the computer changed it

[plain plover]

When a creature changes color or had a different feature, it’s a form of mutation, which when beneficial is an adaptation

They only really adapted in aberration, other times it was just messing with the ship systems

But, now there is no one to mess with the planet’s eco system, so why do creatures look different

[ember solar]

Idk, thats for wildcard to figure out

And if they dont we can get mad at them for the 5,000th time

[plain plover]

I don’t get why Gavin said it doesn’t mean rapid evolution, any natural differential trait is a form of evolution

Also I was at the Chicago museum where they have a T-Rex skeleton, they’re fairly certain they didn’t have feathers

[ember solar]

Also ark creatures do breed at an alarmingly fast rate, and are probably made to adapt to their environments quicker so that they dont go extinct as easily

[plain plover]

Which is just more catalyst for evolution

[bold dove]

Not everything needs a lore explanation.

[mental basin]

There doesn't need to be

And if you think that this is like an X/R-Creature type deal, it's not

This is an entirely new game with new graphics and artsyle

The Rex was changed to be more accurate and fit better into the environment

[mental basin]

Well then why haven't the humans evolved, hm?

There's obviously a child

And tons of people

C'mon now, try to see this from our pov

[plain plover]

so you're saying it just isn't going to have reason

come on, this is ARK, they're at least going to try to use some real world science for its world explanation

[bold dove]

What's the reasoning of TLC's.

-Tlc's.
-Inventory screen.
-Not being able to take giga's into bosses.
-meshing.
-able to cheese fall damage and take none.
-poor character creation.
And much, much more, don't have any lore explanations.
Cause at the end of the day, they're just for either gameplay, or a higher technical meaning

[plain plover]

you know what I'm talking about

[bold dove]

Yes, i do.
But you have to remember. That there's more reasons to make a whole new model for a returning creature then just 'lore.'
A lore explanation would be nice, yes. But i doubt that's their priority with them.

[plain plover]

cool design, that's the point of all the variants, but they've all had plausible reasons behind them given the setting, what you're saying is that just in this case there isn't going to be one when I've already given a possible explanation.

[gusty turret]

Im like 80% sure trexs had feathers

[bold dove]

This has been changed recently.
They no longer have feathers, but now they're a bit more chubby and have lips.

[lyric tendon]

it got confirmed that an adult Rexes don't have feathers after funding skin impressions

and they finalized the look with Sue being fleshed out

[gusty turret]

Oh interesting

[lyric tendon]

but they do consider baby Rexes have down

[bold dove]

Sue's a chonky gall

[lyric tendon]

i love chonky Sue

[bold dove]

And those lips are. 👁️👄👁️

[gusty turret]

Maybe the trex in the ark 2 trailer is just a baby and they're gonna be massive 😳

[lyric tendon]

it's a trailer, things will change

[bold dove]

Or they're not scientifically accurate like they weren't in ARK 1.

[gusty turret]

I think they need to give rexs afros

I don't care about the rest of it but they need afros

[red umbra]

I play official pvp. Trying to get the +10 levels by getting all the notes
Gotten all the notes, discovery’s, dossiers, chronicles ect on.
Island
Scorched
Aberration
Extinction
Gen 2.

But on gen 1 Iv gotten all the glitches on all booms but hasn’t unlocked all the notes! HELP plz
Iv collected all 120 glitches but 65 of them not unlocked in explorer notes HLN-A.

[lyric tendon]

#bug-reports

[red umbra]

I can’t get those to work. Think it’s not mobile friendly . Not using desktop view either pain changing it about.

[lyric tendon]

you are in a wrong chat

[red umbra]

The note are in fact about and only reference in game to the lore

And mine are broken

[rigid palm]

Not really

[fallow sapphire]

yes but you complaining about them not working isnt the lore

[red umbra]

My lore is broken, spoilers following it

[rigid palm]

Theres the ship hyper jumping, hlna, obelisks, ascensions

[red umbra]

Played whole time, 5+years. gotten all other notes and followed along, be nice to finish it and last bit of lore and I play official pvp. Trying to get the +10 levels by getting all the notes to work so as to earn my +10 levels for following it and collecting them all.

The missing wyverns from islands my saddest part, with each update was wishing for them, anyone else think the second cold mountin has what looks like a blocked cave entrance on side facing blue obb

[gusty turret]

Is it just me or do most of the glitches just repeat themselves anyways and not provide much of import to story progression

And since when were wyverns supposed to be on island 🤨

[lyric tendon]

they do in case someone blocks a cave to make a base out of it

[red umbra]

The glitches are not meant to repeat themselves that is the issue, there suppose to have no order to collect them in but unlock and say them in order

If you read the notes Helena Walker describes the wyverns on scorched as being similar to the ones on island

[fallow sapphire]

"Like its relative from the Island, the Draconis vipera that inhabit the aptly named Dragon Trenches are creatures straight out of European legend. Aside from size, the main difference between Draconis vipera and its larger cousin is that the former possesses only two legs, like an avian." She is talking about the dragon, not wyverns on the island

[red umbra]

Dam no wonder I never got a trench lol did read it few years ago tho been a while

[gusty turret]

The extinction dossiers most definitely aren't written by Helena right?

[fallow sapphire]

Yes they are

[red umbra]

There’s few of hers on there

[fallow sapphire]

Which is slightly confusing cause she mentions ice wyverns

[red umbra]

Inc tames ones

[gusty turret]

How could she have though as far as we can infer from Mei's notes theyve never seen the creatures before Helena goes into a coma

Also the mention of ice wyverns

[mental basin]

It's not a variant though.

This is the new Rex.

[plain plover]

and

[mental basin]

And?

Nothing more to it.

No lore, nothing.

They changed the Rex design like they changed HLN-A's voice actor.

[plain plover]

why not

why can't there be a lore reason

[mental basin]

I mean you can make an interesting headcanon or theory
But listen to yourself

Think of it like how they added the Redwoods to The Island

Nothing more to it than to make the game more interesting

[plain plover]

and, they added lore to why the Redwoods are there

there is already a premise to why the creatures can look different

so why not make them different to give a theme to them

[mental basin]

Let's make a bet.

If there is substantial Lore behind the Rex change, I get punishment of your choosing.

Vice versa.

[plain plover]

what's the criteria of substantial

a dossire explaining why it's different or an Astrodelphis dossire worth

[mental basin]

Not a crumb. Something explicitly brought up by an official or by within the game itself.

[plain plover]

an official ay?

so I don't have to even have to see the game be released

I can ask mr. fries

[mental basin]

Bet

[ornate hull]

when you kill moder with an arthra

[rotund jacinth]

What’s the lore on cryopods does it have one?

[plain plover]

they're like a usb for the obelisk transfer system

compressing the creature into data

[rotund jacinth]

Doesn’t say what survivor created them?

[plain plover]

nope, I imagine they were just lying around on the floor in sanctuary

[rotund jacinth]

Prob whoever made the osd drops a thing

[plain plover]

that was Santiago, but he seemed more focus on building the meks

[gusty turret]

Not all gameplay features need to have lore, they probably just exist for convenience

[plain plover]

well someone asked and I gave them an explanation

[bold dove]

Yo, you see that totally lore accurate ARK art in fanarts?

[lyric tendon]

Crispy Dad uwu

[teal kelp]

uwu detected, calling deleto

[bold dove]

I love the art. But hate the shipping.
I want more cursed ARK art.

[teal kelp]

Same, everytime I see a ship I lose 1% of my sanity

[bold dove]

And i embrace the insanity.

[iron hound]

Where did you find this concept art?

[bold dove]

Artwork.com

[iron hound]

?

[tender wasp]

It is never explained who made them or if they are even canon..

[plain plover]

yet we can interpret them as being because similar and more advanced technology is canon

no one questions the plausibility of oil jars

[tender wasp]

Still you should be careful what you sell others as lore, if it is not confirmed.

So be fair and tell people it does not get explained and no one knows who made them or if they are canon.

[bold dove]

This isn't new for Red.
He's done this a few times with other lore bits.
Like he takes everything that Marc stated on his Reddit post as 100% true. And nothing else. Instead of keeping a open-mind that it 'could' easily be none-canon anymore, since he's no longer the writer.

RedGear. One of the smartest and talented theorists in the ARK community.
But takes anything Marc states post-Extinction like it's the bible.

[tender wasp]

Marc didn’t even state that the pods were made by Santiago or even canon. So no idea why red even claims it.

[bold dove]

Cause again, it's RedGear.

[gusty turret]

Im coming forward, i made the cryopods

Ask Marc, he'll confirm it

[plain plover]

[bold dove]

You fucking know what you do. 👀

[bronze turtle]

Hello 🙂
Nice to meet one of @bold dove's idols

[mental basin]

Wasn't that Helena?????

[mental basin]

Yeah they do that a lot. And now they're gone.

"Yall gotta stop being so homophobic"

[lyric tendon]

RIP carcar fans lmao

[bold dove]

Good.

I didn't want a reskinned giga.

[lyric tendon]

Also a win to the mexican bot squad

I read the domesticated description, it's literally the same as that mexican youtuber's suggestion than the original suggestor's being a "portable owl vision"

This will made me worried about the next dino "vote" where it's not about the dinos anymore

It's to see who's the biggest youtuber fanbase

[plain plover]

I did kind of want it to have a weight reduction

But I guess portable glider is just equally as boring

[azure ferry]

the design looks really cool

[bold dove]

It's both

[mental basin]

[heavy sandal]

I like the ugly dimorph thing. it was my second pick after biiig coooow

[gusty turret]

It was my least favorite

Just use an archaeopteryx you vaginas

[plain plover]

Now we have literally the archaeopteryx but better

[bold dove]

Archa's are too slow.
This thing should be faster, and also a portable backpack.

[plain plover]

They aren’t, thte just put that in to explain why it can sustain glide

[bold dove]

"Flight"
It can still glide though.

[plain plover]

It can fly on its own but if someone’s is wearing it it can only glide/parachute

[mental basin]

W-

[heavy sandal]

it's way cuter than archa, though

[bold dove]

"It can even support the weight of a fully-grown human adult, though it will struggle to gain altitude."
"any creature companion that can double as a glider and parachute is invaluable"

[heavy sandal]

lots of color regions 😍

[plain plover]

Yeah, so it can glide with people

[bold dove]

That's what i said.

It's a glider 'and' a backpack.

[plain plover]

You said it was both a sort of weight reduction thing and a glider

[heavy sandal]

and the dossier says it will be able to stun small threats. wonderful friend for early game exploration

[gusty turret]

Why are you disagreeing you're literally both saying the exact same thing

[bold dove]

"Sinomacrops can carry surprisingly heavy loads"
Maybe not any weight reduction. But more then a player. So that's still good.

[lyric tendon]

Arent shoulder pets get weight reduction buff on default anyways

[gusty turret]

Not all of them

[bold dove]

That's what i'm thinking.

[plain plover]

I was meaning as like in the original idea for the creature, they would reduce the weight of everything in your inventory

[lyric tendon]

Also weight mutations go BRRRR

[bold dove]

To be honest, either or is the same.

If it can get weight 'reduction' then it can still hold more then the player.
If it can have higher carry weight, then it can hold more then the player.
And i think 'most' shoulder pets already have a form of weight reduction once you pick them up.

[lyric tendon]

TBH i want the Archae to be TLC'd

[plain plover]

Yeah so mean like in the player’s inventory, like as if it was flapping it’s wings to generate a little lift and allow the player to carry more without getting encumbered

Shoulder pets do reduce everything they hold by half, but they have an average carry capacity of like 30, and it’s not worth exploiting past the capacity limit like players can

I do kind of wish it would give the player a sort of apex status when carrying it. Small creatures like raptors and baryonyx won’t attack you becuase the thing would scare them away with the patterns on its wings

[heavy sandal]

the stun will probably have a similar cooldown to parasaur fear

[lyric tendon]

that would be hella makes sense especially the kapro hell

[plain plover]

Oh yeah, purlovia repelent

[gusty turret]

Wont save us from thylas

[lyric tendon]

except for flying up above the tree line and avoid the thicc trees?

[gusty turret]

Then you'll get stuck in the air when you run out of stam

That's why i literally never go to redwoods

[lyric tendon]

stam management bruh

[gusty turret]

When theres terror birds and thylas and pulovias and carnos all over redwoods it isn't exactly always an option

[lyric tendon]

still.. stam management and perch on tops of inaccessible rocks

[plain plover]

Thylos can be predicted, purlovias are designed to be biological land mines

[gusty turret]

Then there's the microraptors

Smaller biological landmines

[topaz saddle]

Microraptors are biological homing missiles

[gusty turret]

Thylas are like Vietnamese homing shrapnel missles and we're like American soldiers on patrol

[shrewd cove]

[teal kelp]

I have a theory:
Hlna is the impostor, rockwell used to be the impostor, we are a crewmate that is being manipulated by Hlna to kill who used to be the impostor and genesis 2 is an among us game:
Basically, Genesis 2 is in a ship and so is among us, not only that but in the ending we get ejected from it, and in the same ending Hlna says this phrase: "Maybe 2 lost souls can still meet again out among the stars"
What happened in the ark ending is that we killed rockwell, hlna reported us, we got kicked and hlna won, also since she said she had almost no time to back herself up she may have backed herself up and we may see her once again in ark 2, maybe as the impostor again

Also, missions could be considered Tasks

Also thinking about it the ship exploding could be the server crashing

[mental basin]

You're going to the fucking ranch

[teal kelp]

What's that

[mental basin]

You'll see.

[bitter barn]

Just realized that there is no Shadowmane racing mission

[worn bluff]

I’m really excited for the Lost Island.
It seems like more effort was put into its than Crystal Isles.

Especially with the new creatures.

They are not just reskins of something else.

[lyric tendon]

tbh LI has advantages to not have its content stripped off compared to CI

[worn bluff]

Was Crystal Isles originally a mod?

[lyric tendon]

CI used to have crystal variants aside from wyverns before WC stripped it clean (like Crystal racers, Crystal deins, Crystal drakes, Crystal Magmas, and Crystal megashlongs)

this is also my reason why Fourdr (?) shouldn't be official

[worn bluff]

The map with the Fenrir?
Why would they get rid of the variants?
There’s already hundreds of variants as is in the base game.

[lyric tendon]

1. competence with consoles limited GB
2. not making drakes free

[worn bluff]

Weren’t there Crystal Rock Drakes?
And they removed them.

Even though Drakes are weaker than Wyverns.

[lyric tendon]

yep hence steam users are the only ones will experienced the full CI experience with the expansion mods

same thing with Valguero with removal of Ext and Ab creatures in the Ab zone

[worn bluff]

I hate that.
WC has this weird issue with Rock Drakes.

They can’t have them on other maps for some reason.

[lyric tendon]

they want Drakes to be a paid exclusive

[worn bluff]

Even though they have Karkinos in Valguero.

Those things are OP if you aren’t prepared for them.

[gusty turret]

Drakes are more of luxury tames ngl its like buying a bidet, you don't need it at all but its cool as hell to not need to wash your own ass

[gusty turret]

They also got rid of the skeleton variants from the original version of CI aswell if i remember correctly

[gusty turret]

Yeah and im really hoping Fjordur doesn't get adopted too it'll just be another map with its special creatures gnawed off

[lyric tendon]

yes

[lyric tendon]

not just special creatures, the "external" biomes as well like Valhalla

[gusty turret]

Didn't crystal also have an external biome or is that just what redwoods was put in for

[lyric tendon]

Bee cave?

[gusty turret]

Nah where all the skeleton stuff spawned there were bubbles and stuff kinda like how there are in the snow

[tired osprey]

Case #15001 @radiant pulsar has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[outer skiff]

Lmao

[gusty turret]

Rip Joe Biden

[gusty turret]

The ship exploding is what happens after the last crewmate is killed we just never see it in the among us addon

[lyric tendon]

It be awesome if this new creature makes you glide and dash like a drake

[gusty turret]

Its just gonna be an organic glider suit that can stun small creatures for a couple seconds and will try to murder you if you wear chitin

[ornate hull]

All I'm saying is if drakes and reapers went free aberration would be just scorched no real reason to go on there

[gusty turret]

Ngl the drops are pretty op

Also no gigas or fliers

[gusty turret]

If you still get Reapers on Abb after the gen 2 release you're on crack

[hybrid ice]

Normal reapers have a bit more health

[limpid cedar]

I get reapers on ragna

[ornate hull]

That's not official doe

[mental basin]

[gusty turret]

I actually solo tamed my first giga on gen 2

It was so cool and fulfilling

Minus the kapros eating my ass half the time

[bronze turtle]

when no mone for dlc:

[gusty turret]

Also yeah but like with the rate you can pump out reapers on gen 2 and not have to worry about nameless or radiation i think its much better

Kinda surprised we don't need hazmat on gen 2 actually we're literally inside Rockwell's ass getting reapers

[rigid palm]

cries in 3 lost good level r reapers to acid

[tender wasp]

Getting reapers on gen 2 is stupidly easy.

[gusty turret]

Cries in two 150 regular reapers lost because my tribemate was fucking stupid and didn't stop attacking it when it was low

Its better on gen 2 because you can use the HLNA scan to check health without having to get close

[rigid palm]

I guess I just suck at the game then lol

[gusty turret]

Make a trap do not do the acid method

[rigid palm]

I wasnt doing acid method, I just led it down there to get impregnated because it was the only safe spot

Summoners are everywhere else

[gusty turret]

Shotgun

[tender wasp]

Trap outside the flesh biom, kite it and you are good.

[gusty turret]

Or skiff it if you're a pro

Tek punchs shouldn't damage skiffs on gen 2

[tender wasp]

Best with foundations and it can ipregnate the whole tribe

[gusty turret]

I have a love hate relationship with tek punch

They shouldve made the fed suit do torpor instead of damage so your stone base isn't gone the second you start because Bob decided you weren't worthy of living

But i shit on some fully kitted kids using tek punch

I got like 70 rockets off one of them, poor guy

[plain plover]

They should have not given the fed suit a tek punch at all

That was the original intent but the devs last minute said screw it and made the tek armor have no difference from the regular but just 20 armor

[gusty turret]

And they removed the player cap on servers for like the first week

Wildcard is gonna do a building tlc and ruin so many existing bases

Good excuse to wipe official

#allowustorepairruinssorpisfunagain

Also #pleasefortheloveofgodupdateprimitiveplus

[bold dove]

They are.

ARK 2.

Primitive-plus the video game.

[gusty turret]

Its not gonna be completely primitive

We're probably still gonna have losers with shotguns going around one tapping people

[bold dove]

Primitive plus just needed to die.

[gusty turret]

No

Its so fun ot should've been integrated into the main game

[bold dove]

A "pure" primitive setting for ARK doesn't suit the game.

Well, yeah.
That's ARK 2.

[gusty turret]

One thing the base game was always missing was more melee weapons variants of regular bows

[bold dove]

Also, Cedric is more of a community manager then a programming dev now. So doubt he'll bother updating it.

[gusty turret]

Its a big step to even get them to recognize a building tlc would be epic

[tender wasp]

I allready see people crying about something else that will be extremly OP..like the Unga Bunga Bongalo Orcbone bow with explosive arrows out of giga shit.

[bitter barn]

What is the big thing in the sky you can see in the Ocean biome on Genesis 1?

[rigid palm]

No one knows

[bitter barn]

[rigid palm]

My guess is its a hint to the rings in the ship

But they havent said anything about it

[pine hedge]

The tek fed suit visor has no black ring around when equiped

Much better then normal helmet

[gusty turret]

What

[plain plover]

I would have liked if it had an overlay, feels more immersive

but I guess not having one is better then that slightly redesigned hazard mask overlay that the skin has

it also would encourage people to not wear it every living second

[gusty turret]

It needs durability

[bronze turtle]

Hey!

[mental basin]

Hey-o

@fallow sapphire, I found your YouTube Channel.

[fallow sapphire]

Ohno, not this again

[mental basin]

Too bad

You're helping me through Survive The ARK Alpha

[fallow sapphire]

Well hey if it helps at all I’m glad i could help

[gusty turret]

Omg we got a video premiere in 4 hours

[fallow sapphire]

Bruh this is not lore

[bold dove]

Video-premiere of 'what?'

[gusty turret]

I think you fighting alpha rockwell prime in 4 hours is lore

[fallow sapphire]

not particularly no

[bold dove]

To be fair, this channel rarely talks about actual lore.

[gusty turret]

We talk about Among us mostly

[fallow sapphire]

no, stop it

[gusty turret]

Its facts

[bold dove]

Okay, among-us can go fuck itself.

[fallow sapphire]

agreed

[teal kelp]

Anyone of you checked my theory?

Genesis 2 IS among us

[fallow sapphire]

no, thats not true... thats impossible

[teal kelp]

Oh yes it is possible

[bold dove]

And that's when i proceed to leave.

[fallow sapphire]

likewise

[bitter barn]

Sus

[gusty turret]

I agree with this theory

[silent verge]

Aliens stole our soul

[quiet meadow]

so i need some help; when you ride a noglin controlled creature under the Noglin Effect icon it says 'itching... in my brain!'

anyone got an idea what its referencing to? i feel like its from a song or something

maybe someone from the dev team could explain it as well?

[gusty turret]

Not exactly lore but i found a song called Itch in my brain by a band called Utopia thats the best bet I've got

[vague cedar]

is the overseer a threat to ark

[lyric tendon]

the overseer is the ARK

[vague cedar]

is it a threat?

[gusty turret]

I mean if it doesn't like what you're doing its a threat but otherwise it just keeps the environment stabilized

[lyric tendon]

no, if you have aberration, you will see what happened if there is no overseer in the ARK

[vague cedar]

so why do we kill them if its not a threat

[gusty turret]

If it doesn't like what you're doing it's gonna either use the obelisk to zap you or create some new creature to kill you

[vague cedar]

oh

[gusty turret]

We kill it because we have to to ascend

[lyric tendon]

killing an overseer (in traditional means) is impossible... you simply just "beat' them

[gusty turret]

That too

[bold dove]

You don't kill it.

You just beat it up so much that it allows you to pass.

[vague cedar]

ok

[bold dove]

The last and only time someone killed a overseer. Aberration happened.

[gusty turret]

That's not necessarily true we have no clue if it happened anywhere else

[lyric tendon]

it will happened in other ARKs because the overseer is part of ARK like the CPU is part of your PC

[bold dove]

True, but we 'do' know that the overseers are connected to the ARK's itself.

Like Mazda said.
You can't run a motherboard if you don't have a cpu.

[lyric tendon]

exactly

[gusty turret]

Why wouldn't the Island's overseer ever zap us?

[lyric tendon]

to challenge you

[vague cedar]

are the guardians also dont like what we do in the island?

[lyric tendon]

the guardians is just there to challenge you, just like the overseer

[vague cedar]

oh

[bold dove]

No, they're just a challange to see if you're worthy to get off of the ARK.

[gusty turret]

The guardians are just animals they aren't intelligent life

The overseer just decided haha i want funny monkey as one of the guardians

[bold dove]

Canonically, if you're worthy. It wont.

It didn't bother with Helena and Mei-Yin. But fucking wiped the floor with Nerva's army.

[lyric tendon]

that is also true

then again is Mei being admin aboose like usual

[gusty turret]

Helena was never really a threat

And Mei was in god mode

[bold dove]

It also let a old man pass.

[lyric tendon]

but the overseer foresees Helenas future as an Homo deus

[bold dove]

Aka Rockwell.

[gusty turret]

Would you zap some poor helpless gilf?

[bold dove]

That's bull. Since if it can. Then why didn't it stop Rockwell?

[bold dove]

Yes.

[gusty turret]

I wouldn't

[vague cedar]

in extinction helena turned into homo deus and santiago die, then what did the others become or whats their fate?

[gusty turret]

We don't know

[bold dove]

That's 'you'
Not a emotionless god like being that's controlling a robot.

[lyric tendon]

i assuming he also there with nerva's army and survived being hidden like he would

[bold dove]

Most likely dead. Since the game is set a few thousand years after the notes.

[bold dove]

But the overseer wouldn't let him pass just for "hiding"
It's a open arena.

[lyric tendon]

with pillars and strange overhangs? i pretty sure he let nerva's army do the damage

[bold dove]

You really think they'd have a faulty system like 'that?'

[gusty turret]

Rockwell came along a few hours after the initial fight i believe

[bold dove]

Nope

[gusty turret]

No?

[bold dove]

He came 'with' Nerva

[gusty turret]

I haven't read his notes yet im trusting what he told Helena about wanting to negotiate her release

[bold dove]

Also, Rockwell was more obsessed with the element in the walls then anything.

[lyric tendon]

most likely he let Nerva's Army do the fighting for him, he is smart enough to avoid conflict after all

[lyric tendon]

hence hiding in the pillars lmao

[bold dove]

His intelligence starts to dwindle the moment he sees the Artifacts.
By Scorched, he'd rather just kill everyone then deal with negotiating.

[lyric tendon]

unless we make Gunwell canon

[gusty turret]

I think Hentaiwell should be how he canonically was all along

[vague cedar]

who's the kid in ark 2 trailer? is it santiago's child?

[lyric tendon]

no one knows, i speculated Nida

[gusty turret]

Probably unless they're gonna rewrite Nida to be like 7

[lyric tendon]

hell if they rewrite Santiago as a dumb grunt who somewhat knew Tek then who knows at this point

[gusty turret]

He's just gonna punch stuff till it works

His primary weapon is his shiny head

[vague cedar]

how do rockwell go to the genesis colony ship he doesn't have feet

[lyric tendon]

t e c h n o l o g y

[vague cedar]

who found tek?

[bold dove]

Humans

Back in around the 22nd-25th century.

[lyric tendon]

not "found", "made"

they made Tek out of element which the future humans found in an unknown asteroid crash(iirc)

[obsidian vigil]

rockwell

is canonically...

bri'ish

[lyric tendon]

b r i t i s h

[gusty turret]

Thanks for your insight into the story Chumster

[lyric tendon]

||That moment we realized that we shove a really reasonably pissed off piranha or a salmon in the size of a whole yellow-fin tuna streight inside the Shadowmane's feline fish hole and actually liked it||

[bold dove]

"I wrote all of the "Dino Dossiers" and "Explorer Notes" for the game while I was at the studio. This is some of the work I'm most proud of on ARK, but also some of the least directly impactful to the game. The Dino Dossiers ended up being one of the fan-favorite features of the game, which I took as a great compliment. I used the Dino Dossiers as a way to make subtle fun jokes with the community, and to "fix" inconsistencies with the game world (such as the inaccurate depiction of the Stegosaurus back-plates). While writing the Explorer Notes, I was pleased to be able to make each of the six characters I was writing as have a distinct and very different writing style from each other."
This is from CraigBrownCraigBrown's official website you can find on his twitter.
Apparently, 'he' made the note characters and all of the Dossiers.

[tender wasp]

But also seems to have left WC.

Also he only mentions 6 characters he did write the notes for, which are not all.

Nerva, Rockwell, Mei, Helena, Diana, Santiago, the ones from Scorched and the Gen 2 ones (Vindiago, Gabriel and Nida).

[bold dove]

It's odd.

Even though the website words it like he's not longer with Wildcard. He still is on his twitter.

[tender wasp]

He isn't so on his portofilo. He even states he left WC and is working on his own projects now.

Maybe he does some freelance work for them here and there.

Confusing.

[bold dove]

"Senior Designer at Studio Wildcard again!"
Ah, the website's outdated.

His twitter states that.

He's also into d&d

[tender wasp]

ANd Warhammer 40K

[bold dove]

Wonder if that's the inspiration for the orcs. 👀

The orcs are literally space orcs.

[tender wasp]

Yeah but the Orcs n 40K look totaly different and are mushrooms (yeah that is 40K lore lol).

The Orcs look a lot more LoTR or D&D inspired.

[bold dove]

Yeah, i know.
But i said "inspiration"

[tender wasp]

We don't even know who really came up with them

[bold dove]

I more meant on the fact that they're alien orcs on a alien planet. But okay.

[tender wasp]

If they are really Aliens. I am still not sure if they are natives or not.

[bold dove]

Doesn't mean they're not aliens/space orcs.

[tender wasp]

I think more they needed something primitive and that looks different from humans but still humanoid. Don't really think 40k was an inspiration here. But only my opinion.

[lyric tendon]

I think it's space orks with an ARK spin without getting sued by GW

Hence they are not greenskin

[tender wasp]

They don't even look close to any GW orks

[lyric tendon]

That's why they are off the hook

Knowing GW is getting relentless with their "property protection"

[tender wasp]

And Orc itself is a mystical creature that can't be copyrighted.

[lyric tendon]

Yep

[tender wasp]

And to make it GW Orcs they are not bulky enough, not green enough and to pimitive.

So they have not really anything in common with GW orc.

[lyric tendon]

Not the 40k ones, the normal Warhammer fantasy ones

[tender wasp]

They also look super different.

[lyric tendon]

Which is a good thing

[tender wasp]

The orcs look a lot more like LoTR or D&D Orcs

[lyric tendon]

But it's an ork in an alien planet tho

[tender wasp]

D&D is also not earth 😉

And "Orc on an Alien Planet" also can simply be a lazy design.

ANd inspiration also might have been like "Lets take some primitive looking humanoids as antagonists for Vindiago and cause Vin Diesel is a D&D Nerd, lets make them Orc like."

Which is more plausible for me than 40K.

[median stream]

Am i the only one who finds it ironic, after all the speculation at the beggining of the game over is it or isn't it aliens. At the end we would be the alien invaders on another planet? lol

[lyric tendon]

basically

in ARK 1 the earth was invaded by corruption

[patent osprey]

Now I'm a stupid peanut size brain but in gen 2 ending hlna says she is "almost" out of time to back my self up so what if we download her in ark 2 at some point but I doubt that and I'm most likely 100% wrong

Also how tf do you blow up a hologram

[lyric tendon]

by blowing up the ship she is programmed in?

[patent osprey]

True I said I was stupid idk why I even talk in this chat

[lyric tendon]

to answer your curiosity

[bold dove]

Wasn't really invaded, but people just overused i for mass destruction.

[gusty turret]

I think the corruption is actually good

[mental basin]

No?

[bold dove]

What?

It's defiantly not "good"
It fucking killed all of life on Earth.
I wouldn't say it's "bad" either. Just thinking for survival. Like any other bacteria.

[gusty turret]

Yeah all the life on Earth was doing was killing anyways, consider it a little bit of Karma from nature

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, i remember when lions, dogs, tigers, elephants, try to kill everything.

[gusty turret]

Did you just use lions dogs and tigers as examples of things that don't kill

[bold dove]

Did you just say "killing" is Karma for animals doing their fucking nature?

Do you even know what "Karma" and "Nature" even mean.

If that's your logic. Then by that, corruption deserves to be killed off to. CoNsIdEr It A lItTlE bIt Of KaRmA.

[gusty turret]

Corruption is the punishment

It shouldn't be punished for doing its job

[bold dove]

I'm fucking done here.

[gusty turret]

Similar to how the overseers created counters to people that were up to trouble

The corruption is the imposters and its killing all the sussy crewmates

[bold dove]

Okay, 'NOW' i'm done.

[bronze turtle]

Shouldn't it be the other way around? The imposter is the suspicious one.

[median stream]

But evil as it was, the corruption forced life to mutate. Hence the argies ability to heal making it immune to being corrupted.

"Life will...ahhh... find a way"
~Dr. Ian Malcolm~

[bold dove]

It's not even evil, though.
Is a virus evil for doing what's in its nature?

[median stream]

Its outcome would have been the same even without the element wars. its core use would have corrupted the world, just taken longer. i would compare it more to drugs. the temporary high forces one to ignore the long term effects. even if they see them.

[bold dove]

No actually, there was no evidence to suggest this.

And the writer specifically stated that their inspiration with "corruption" was corporate figures mass producing shit. And destroying the planet in the process.
It's just like coal refineries. The normal amount that civilians use isn't harmful to the planet. It's the mass production of commercial uses that is causing it to be horrible.

[bold dove]

And if this was the case. Then how did the Genesis-ship, a colony ship that runs on element, not have any issues with element for the hundreds of thousands to possibly billions of years it's been in deep-space?

[median stream]

there is a large difference from a couple thousand on a space station and billions using it daily on the planet. Like you say, its not just war its mass consumerism and i agree. the one thing humans are good at is ruining a good thing by exploiting it. who knows what they would have built. but the war interceded. eventually it would have been in every part of life. the corruption would have happened imo

[bold dove]

The issue with this statement. Is that it's obvious in the lore that humans can lower the population of element.
The stryders are literally made for that purpose.

[median stream]

if that was tru there would have been armies of stryders, mega machines to reverse the corruption here. its the one issue with populating mars no one understands. its infinity easier to just save the planet your on.

[bold dove]

It is easier, yes. But with exploration brings the possibility for new resources, that can be used to help the older planet.

The two biggest issues for global warming (which i know isn't the only things. But it's the biggest issue) is coal refineries, and oddly enough, mass production of cows.

Cows shit a LOT. And with that shit, produces Co2.
I think the amount of Co2 produced by cow shit is almost as much as coal refineries.
Both issues can be solved easily though, if people stopped being babies.

Nuclear energy is a LOT more environmentally safer, since it's literally just steam power.
And recent research have resulted in biologically grown steaks. Using meat tissues from a cow and growing it. Not producing any Co2 from it since it doesn't need a cow to grow and raise. Just grow the meat itself.

[plain plover]

Element, Element was a much safer and better energy source than any other conceivable option today other than a Dyson sphere.

it just happened to be an evil space virus for planets

[bold dove]

You say evil. Yet nowhere in the lore was it ever stated to be evil.
Pretty sure The One Who Waits actually compares it to a bacteria. Which aren't evil.

[median stream]

its fair to not call it evil. a guns not evil.

[plain plover]

we've had this discussion before, Spartan doesn't consider anything evil.

and when I say anything I mean anything

[bold dove]

Cause you're a very confusing man sometimes.

[mental basin]

[bold dove]

"Evil" is a dumb ass fuck word to me.
Everything and everyone has a motive to do what they do.
A mental person that just wants to kill is exactly that, mental. Not their fault for being born like that.

[plain plover]

The thing is I kind a broke your way of understanding when I asked would the devil be considered evil.

according to the Theme and philosophy that ARK's world is based on, that being the bible and stuff related to it, Element's purpose in the story would be a the literal definition of Evil.

[bold dove]

Depends on what biblical format we go with.

[bold dove]

ARK is very much based on the Christian bible, yes. But it's also it's own take on it on a scientific point of view.

[plain plover]

It may be a thing created by a hyper advanced alien civilization that once fully corrupting a planet turns it into a big grape that gets fed to a weird god thing that allows the universe to exist as long as it is fed but we don't see that side to the story. Not yet .

ARK 3 2027 hype

[mental basin]

You used Smirkwell

Finally
I can die happy now

[bold dove]

Even in that perceptive, element itself isn't evil. It's a tool by another race.

[plain plover]

yeah that was my point, in that perspective it isn't evil

[mental basin]

Element is evil. Gave birth to evil. Messes with people's heads, makes them hentai MCs.

[bold dove]

My issue is that it's never stated in lore. So until it is in possibly ARK 2 or 3, then i'm keeping it that it's a neutral force.
Cause for all we know. It could somehow be good. By possibly somehow knowing what a species will become, and wiping them out if they'll become destructive to the universe.
We'll just have to see.

[mental basin]

Never explicitly no, but it's never explicitly stated that Santiago Camacho and Santiago Da Costa are the same people.

And they are.

It's just hinted at.

[plain plover]

if we're going to take Nida's hypothetical explanation for how HLN-A got on the ship as fact then we can take the URE's interpretation of what element is as hinting towards what purpose element will have in the series later

[mental basin]

Corruption
Manipulation
"Corruption Kills"
King of Shadows
Extinction

Seems pretty evil to me.

[plain plover]

Sometimes Foreshadowing is relatively obvious

[bold dove]

Cause element is a representation of the great-flood from the bible.
Which is caused by god himself.
But no one thinks god is apparently evil for killing the whole planet just to start a new.

[plain plover]

Uma says that element was "a sign from something greater that wanted it to join us"

[mental basin]

It was Vin Diesel

He's the fucking antagonist I knew it

[bold dove]

Maybe it's a form of a test from another species. 🤷‍♂️

[mental basin]

Maybe.. the Smurfs? No.. far too primitive.

[plain plover]

yeah when things like these happen I feel like it's trying to be subtle foreshadowing but ends up being the only foreshadowing

[mental basin]

"I've survived worse"

Think he's talking about Ab? Us?

[plain plover]

meet again amongst the stars

[mental basin]

Two examples of foreshadowing.

[plain plover]

yeah Rockwell was talking about us killing him in Ab

[mental basin]

I honestly thought it was Aberration crashing.

[plain plover]

the rest of the arks were fine and it can be assumed that becuase there isn't a crater the size of birtan where ab landed that it did somewhat slow its fall.

but my snow owls in sanctuary were not fine

[mental basin]

Y'know

I have such a problem with that

The Island is fucking huge

And there's thousands of ARKs

They wouldn't all fit

Then you have the Colony Ship which is fucking GIGANTIC

[bronze turtle]

perhaps not all were expected to survive

[mental basin]

That's not the problem

There's not enough room for them all

Not to mention how much of Earth would be gone

[plain plover]

there is

[bronze turtle]

... perhaps not all were expected to survive

[plain plover]

Earth is much bigger then a couple thousand ARKs

[mental basin]

But what about the Genesis Ship? That thing takes a ridiculously unrealistic amount of resources

And there's still shit to spare on Earth?!

[bronze turtle]

if they have space travel they could have been draining the resources of other planets surely?

[plain plover]

Earth is also much bigger then the Genesis ship, the side by side view with assets isn't very accurate

I think the Ark/Ship comparrison is accurate though

[mental basin]

I have an idea
We measure Genesis Part 2's Map compared to The Island

And then like add up all of the bits on the rings

Because we only explore two "squares" of each Ring.

How much would one ring be fully, ah?

[plain plover]

Ced was going to give the canonical lentgh of the ship in kilometers but he forgot

[mental basin]

We'll have to do it ourselves
And then measure the KM to Earth's size

[plain plover]

but just as a personal note, The Genesis shape in real size is not possibly longer then the East to West border of the state of California from any point. though I'm not sure on the diameter of the rings.

[mental basin]

Well we can measure it easily

[plain plover]

we need the canon size of Island's crater in Extinction

[mental basin]

Well we know the canon size of The Island

It's on the Wiki

[gusty turret]

Idk where i saw it but i think someone said about 3000km

Maybe it was 3000 miles

[plain plover]

it's not

I will at most believe 300 kilometers

[gusty turret]

Yeah idk who said it or how they got it

[plain plover]

because the length of both rings across e to w is roughly 15km

[rigid palm]

3k miles and someone estimated 100 arks and 30 miles for an ark

[plain plover]

that's believable

[gusty turret]

Do we actually not know the dimensions of gen 2 itself i can't find it on google

[plain plover]

someone has probablt measured it

but just remember, that from any scale we have seen, there is no way it's larger than the length of the united states

[gusty turret]

Gen2 is supposed to be the biggest map yet right?

[plain plover]

yes, and it is

I do think that scale comparison with the ship and an Ark is accurate

[mental basin]

ARKs are like

Really small

If we had say, some sort of functioning vehicle with, hear me out, rotating wheels, we could maybe.. get from one end to another in.. 10 minutes?

Fifteen?

[rigid palm]

Tek atv 👀

[plain plover]

*Functioning

[rigid palm]

Ah missed that criteria

Skiff with wheels 👀

[plain plover]

with the only thing in the game possessing ice physics it's almost like it is

[gusty turret]

Tek atv tlc when

Literally drive it through an inch of water and your life is over

Can you get it out with a skiff actually?

[ornate hull]

When I did that a few months back it came up with the ship being around 3000 miles long

[gusty turret]

Bluestone coming in throwing sus

[prisma moat]

why couldnt rockwell speak in abberation?

[patent osprey]

I'm pretty sure he was talking to a grad student (noone believed him) and drove him insane I cant remember the name

Or note

[mental basin]

Well, they didn't have a VA back then

[patent osprey]

Yea so he could only "speak" in notes and stuff like that

[grave mason]

which map is next lore wise, after Aberration?

[bold dove]

The Island, Scorched (optional to the player) Aberration, Extinction, Genesis 1, Genesis 2.

[tired osprey]

Case #15194 @fervent heath has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[mental basin]

Scorched isn't optional

It's an important part of the story 🤞

[bold dove]

Not really

The notes, yes. But for our character, not at all.

[mental basin]

But it's still canon

Canon means canon

[bold dove]

Canon doesn't mean it 'isn't' optional.

Halo-Wars is canon, yet it's a optional game since it doesn't make any major impacts the the story as a whole.

[bold dove]

Also, c'mon dude.
It's even optional to the note-survivors. Not 'everyone' ends up on Scorched.
Mei-Yin and Nerva's corpse skipped Scorched and went to Aberration.

[mental basin]

That's canon

[bold dove]

Yes, canon that it's optional.

[mental basin]

Nope

I mean anything is optional gameplay wise

But in the actual story, THE story, we go to Scorched

So it happens.

[tired osprey]

Case #15195 @blissful kraken has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

[bold dove]

Literally says who.

[mental basin]

Literal common sense

[bold dove]

That apparently you lack.
Cause if we're bringing "common sense" into this. Then it's makes more sense to think that it's optional since two whole characters skipped the map.
If it wasn't optional. Then they wouldn't be able to skip it.

[mental basin]

@plain plover

[plain plover]

[latent fractal]

The survivors were able to pick a map, well not really pick as they didn't know how it worked but thats why 2 characters "skipped the map" they just picked another one to go to, in that case every map could be optional as not every survivor has been to there, the tek survivors started on abberation for example

[mental basin]

Assistance?

Nvm you playing Bobox

[bold dove]

I knew this. And this just proves my point even more that it's optional.

They had the "option" to pick Scorched, Aberration, and possibly other ARK's.

[mental basin]

[latent fractal]

They're all "optional" for the survivors who wrote the notes, but following the story of the notes scorched earth is important which is what I believe what was being asked. As we can see in the ascencions theres a ton of arks they could have gone to

The only ones that weren't optional are extinction and genesis 1/2 as the survivors didn't really get a choice regarding those

and the one they first wake up on

[bold dove]

They where asking what map order to play.
And for the notes, yes, Scorched is hella important.
But for the general story of 'our' survivor, it's kind of pointless.

[latent fractal]

Yeah true, was just saying that for the lore it is an important map but gameplay wise you can skip it as every creature and stuff is on other maps. still highly recommend to play it as its quite a fun map

but tbh every map you can skip from a gameplay perspective if you wanted to, but canonically its island, SE, abb, ext, gen 1 and gen 2 like you said

[bold dove]

I'm not talking about gameplay.

I'm talking about the general storyline of "our" survivor.
It has no impact whatsoever to 'us.'
Island is where you start out, and learn about the truth about the Island.
Aberration is where you discover what horrors element can create.
Extinction shows you what heavy uses of element can do to a planet.
What does Scorched show us?

[timid raven]

Pain

[latent fractal]

not looking at the notes not much, still from in the island ascension you see the player going to SE. But that the general story line doesn't happen much on SE is ofcourse cause the map was never intended to be released that soon but they had to cause of the lawsuit. back when it released I remember being really excited about the stuff in the caves like cave paintings statues etc as they were the first bits of lore we really got

But looking at it from what we know now its nothing compared to the other maps

[bold dove]

You honestly sure that's Scorched?
Looked more malformed to me. Could've been Aberrations surface.

[latent fractal]

I'm pretty sure, let me jump into singleplayer and take a few screens of the ascension real quick and compare it to top down SE lol one sec

[gusty turret]

If def isn't optional for the notes continuity, that's where Helena learns the obelisks zap people and prevents them from getting zapped on Abb

[latent fractal]

But looking at the release of the tek cave update and abberations release they are almost a year apart, so think its unlikely they used abberations surface, as well as for the general flow of the maps it makes sense as they've released it in that way and the notes also follow that path

[gusty turret]

Seeing as we don't interact with anything we actually had to've went to Scorched because that's the last place that was selected to go to

Although we just have to pretend we ascend off of it because they never gave it the love it deserved😒

[bronze turtle]

give us scorched ascension pls D:

really sucks they didin't give SE more love

Best map

[latent fractal]

currently in the overseer hall about to redgun him and i'll confirm

Definitely scorched earth

I mean the ark we go to is intact unlike abberation, as well as that we can see abberation from the islands bossfight chamber so we wouldn't have to travel that far

[bold dove]

Could also be a bit of a oversight at the time.
By the time the ascension cinematic was made and being scripted. Aberration was just becoming a idea.
There's still enough evidence to suggest that Scorched is optional.

Anyway, different subject.
Just realized that Extinction kind of has some Greek mythology in it. (I think it's Greek.)

[latent fractal]

love greek mythology, what part of it?

[bold dove]

Titans in (i think) Greek mythology where the first ever beings on the planet. They formed the terrain and created Earth.
Later on, they created gods, bot their own creations enslaved them.
And the gods made their own image of the world. Creating humans out of clay, or whatnot.
That's how it went, right?