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tame field
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It had a what?!

gusty turret
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Artificial sun

tame field
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Is that ever elaborated on or do they just mention it in passing? Thats such a big thing to just have and then casually mention

gusty turret
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I believe i think the power source is a subject of debate tho, the most common thing ive seen said tho is an artificial sun

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So that would be large scale nuclear fission( i hope thats the right terminology im just guessing?) To power the huge ship

tame field
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Oh so its never actually stated and people just speculate?

gusty turret
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I think its stated somewhere i just dont remember where

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Were people talking about respawning on gen 2 earlier i forgot i can end that discussion with another one who waits quote

tame field
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Alright. It wouldn't surprise me if the ship was littered with solar panels, hell I thought the space sails were solar panels and part of me still thinks that could be a secondary purpose. Yes they were talking about it on gen 2

gusty turret
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"You see those islands in the sky are seeds, and when they fall, they'll need what's left of the System's energy to bloom. So when the barren garden is fully revived, you'll lose the ability to revive yourself.

I'm sorry about that, but this is the best plan I had."

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That's why respawning is canonically impossible on gen 2

bold dove
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HLN-A states in one of the Genesis 2 notes that it's the ships reactor, but it also acts as a artificial sun.

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Sorry, not reactor. It's the warp-drive.

tame field
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Thats so vague. Why are the arks seeds but the ship isn't? Does a seed require whatever the element purging stuff the arks inject into the earth? Only thing I could think of is that it gathers resources to make new creatures and plants as well as minerals and rocks but the ship does that with the rings too. Why couldn't the ship be made a seed? Ik there arent answers and its just exposition stuff that has no in universe reasoning and is just that way cause the writers made it so but still.

tame field
gusty turret
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The ship doesn't need to be a seed its purpose was to find a habitable world that doesn't need reseeding

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And i believe creatures just actually breeding is what happens on the ship

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As for the Arks they basically create matter from energy, but as the note states, each time you respawn, it takes away from the resources the system has, all the Arks are formed in the vision the overseer sees fit to test it's survivors skills, they created and tested the magmasaur on scorched Earth to test it for the simulation, basically if they wanted it to exist and could assemble a genetic code for it, it existed, the overseer could've made the island a desert if that's what it saw fit, but that isn't how it wanted to test its survivors

tame field
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Wym you believe creatures breeding is just what happens on the ship? Like thats the only reason for it to have the rings? Still seems like a dumb reason. I realize the ship isnt a seed and it doesnt need to be one but why isnt it, like whats the difference between an ark and the ship that makes arks seeds? Also the magmasaur was created on SE to test it for the simulation? Why would they need to make a creature irl to see if they could do it in a simulation? Also arent the genesis ship and arks not connected to one another and are separate survival protocols pretty much?

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Is the energy into matter thing ever explained or do we just need to accept it? Also does it say whether that means some sort of cosmic background energy sci-fi stuff or electricity?

gusty turret
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They were contingencies, if the Arks didn't work, at least the ship would find a habitable world, if the ship didn't find a habitable world, at least the Arks would reseed earth

bold dove
gusty turret
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The magmasaur on scorched is completely canon its mentioned in one of the genesis chronicle notes

bold dove
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The ARK's where made by the URE and where meant to save Earth.
The Genesis-Ship was made by the Feds, and they just wanted to ditch Earth.

gusty turret
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The ship was made by the feds and the URE together

lyric tendon
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What if the whole magmasaur in SE deal is a part of the Sim

tame field
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Yeah they kind of complement one another but aren't the two plans separate from one another and not work with one another? The federation made the genesis ship and another group did the arks.

lyric tendon
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I mean there is no crystal wyverns in the ring but there is on the sim

bold dove
gusty turret
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They wouldn't make a note saying it if it wasnt canon would they?

lyric tendon
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Yep

bold dove
lyric tendon
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If they retcon it, they would change it like the old Fed logo

tame field
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well wouldn't the retcon here be that the magamasaur was on SE and not the other way around?

bold dove
bold dove
tame field
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Ok

lyric tendon
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why would an all-knowing holographic guide lied to us?

bold dove
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This was also the time the new writer was being brought in.
So he could've easily over looked something.

bold dove
tame field
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Its weird though cause yeah 100% I doubt the cannonicity of those notes cause HLN-A was never on any arks but also the devs wouldnt just say that for fun

lyric tendon
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Knowing the Gen Sim can be manipulated like what Nida did, there is a chance they do tried to recreate SE instead of Magma biome

tame field
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So are you saying you think the chronicles are all simulations of the previous arks? That can't be cause Rockwell says in one of the final ones that you are "back in the delusion again"

gusty turret
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Maybe its us having nightmares?

tame field
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god no we arent doing that one here

lyric tendon
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It can be refrenced as a playback on Helena/HLNA's memories

Hence HLNA can recall Helena's past

bold dove
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Think the easier solution is to just think the notes themselfs aren't canon. But what they give off are.
Besides the magmasaur, since that has some issues with it.

gusty turret
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It is possible we're having nightmares since Rockwell would be in our head during the simulation

bold dove
lyric tendon
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It's no fun to theorize if it's "non-canon" plus it's not confirmed by WC or the gen writer if it's indeed non-canon

bold dove
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And no, it's really 'not' that fun to theorize about something that can hardly be theorized about when you can't even pinpoint if it's canon or not.

gusty turret
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Theorize deez nuts in yo mouth

lyric tendon
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It's still up to debate and speculation, that's the fun of it

bold dove
gusty turret
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I will

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I got muted on the fake ark discord for talking too much even though there was no cooldown or anything 😩

tame field
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I just looked through every HLN-A explorer note documented on the wiki and not one mentions magmasaurs

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which is weird cause I'm pretty sure I have heard that line myself before, I did the chronicles

gusty turret
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Let me try and find it

bold dove
tame field
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What? You hung up on the fact I didn't say I did "genesis part 1 discoveries and genesis part 2 chronicles?"

tame field
gusty turret
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Its discovery 7

tame field
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Alright I thought it would've been chronicles since we hadnt encounted the magmasaur yet

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oh its cause I did the logical thing which would be use control F and searched "magmasaur" of course I thought too much of it to actually use the name for the creature and not refer to it as "fire lizard" guess I expect too much from HLN-A

gusty turret
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Lmaoooo

tame field
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Maybe lore-wise the magmasaur is just a physical impossibility and they tried to make it for SE but couldn't due to the laws of life and all that so they decided to make it someplace where those laws dont apply, the simulation.

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Of course then why does the phoenix work and the magmasaur doesn't? I guess the phoenix has biological parts to it and is on fire whereas the magmasaur is all fire

gusty turret
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They made rock golems, they could make magmasaurs

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They also made fire breathing wyverns and dragons

tame field
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Yeah I agree 100% the logic doesn't hold up, if they made a creature out of rock materials before and a creature that is partially fire before why can't they bring that together? Maybe it's just 'too unnatural' to work to have something that is alive in the real world and also both fire and rock

gusty turret
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Bloodstalkers and feroxs also physically exist on the genesis ship

tame field
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bloodstalkers make sense biologically but feroxs dont

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The note about the magmasaur being tried on SE makes absolutley no sense and anything anyone can come up with to explain it will have holes, I'm just trying best as I can to give reasons to stupid nonsensical decisions that one person made one day one time that has massive implications for every other part of the lore

gusty turret
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They just made it to test on it it doesn't need to be anything deep lol

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I guess they wanted to see if it actually behaved as it did in the simulation to consider adding it on the ship?

tame field
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maybe

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upon re-reading it I realize it says they used to be there and aren't anymore, not that they were tried to put there like I thought. I thought it said they attempted to make them but couldn't for some reason so they made it in the simulation instead

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That's still really weird that they made them irl only to scrap a species and play god to that extent only to then bring it back in a simulation but not put it on the ship.

lyric tendon
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Funny enough, summoners can summon them

gusty turret
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They probably do exist somewhere on the ship

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They just need hot environments it doesn't have to be volcanic

lyric tendon
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Maybe the reasoning why Magmasaurs isnt viable for SE is that they are too much for SE and might turn it into a volcanic wasteland where they can thrive?

Maybe the reason for it to seperate it to it's components like Phoenix for combustable body, Fire Wyverns for fire projectiles, etc...

I dunno i like overthinking things

gusty turret
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Who says they weren't viable for scorched tho, its not like they could change the environment on their own, they probably just wanted to test it scorched because like in game, they work better in high temperature areas such as a desert

lyric tendon
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I mean if the Overseer wants to punish the thriving humanity, the Magmasaur is a tad overkill

gusty turret
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Yeah it has mantis and wyverns and just complete death lasers for that

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Even though reapers totally arent overkill

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Different overseer tho so different judgement of punishment

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How tf did they make reapers

lyric tendon
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Like how they make the titanoboas

M a g i c

gusty turret
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Titanoboas are real creatures tho

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Reapers just literally came out of thin air as punishment

lyric tendon
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Ye but they dont lay eggs

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And Helena already stated about the unnatural imbalance of the ARKs ecosystem

gusty turret
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Did the overseer watch Alien or something

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I wanna be an overseer they had to have a supply of movies and books and stuff to create some of this shi

lyric tendon
gusty turret
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Dinosaurs were picked because they're more resilient than normal creatures

lyric tendon
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And there is the Otter

gusty turret
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True

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Otters are cute tho

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They also had vultures and piranhas

lyric tendon
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Megapiranha is an extinct creature

gusty turret
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Not anymore

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I brought them back

lyric tendon
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Just fat piranhas

gusty turret
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Why wouldn't they just use normal horses and sheep

lyric tendon
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Sheep is sheep

gusty turret
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Ngl i would've liked to see some "pigeon" drones

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They need to make a pigeon skin for enforcers rn

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Just incase you don't see what i said earlier in reference to respawning on gen 2 I'll ping you, it's canonically impossible according to the one who waits because reseeding has been completed

fallow sapphire
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That was for the ARKs, their power was being used to take down the rest of the element. I don’t think that affected the gen 2 ship, though I am still iffy on if respawning on gen 2 is canonical or not

tired ospreyBOT
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check Case #13106 @worthy kindle has been muted for 2 hours.
Reason: Mass Tagging

violet spire
gusty turret
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Probably the same way they made wyverns

violet spire
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True that.

onyx sky
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Very carefully right?

rigid palm
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No

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If they had made drakes very carefully my drake wouldnt try to climb on stalactites that im passing when im gliding

bold dove
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The writer did a reddit post of confirming some stuff after they left.
One thing they confirmed (which to this day i still wanna backslap them for.) is saying reapers are just 'natural' to the ARK. And that they're like wyverns and where a punishment for the survivors.
Y'know, reusing old concepts cause you can't think of anything else.
Of, and nameless?
Nah, they're just natural creatures. Nothing special about them.
Not mutated humans or anything, just natural.

plain plover
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As it should be

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For me I have a similar problem but the opposite with the astro Delphis

bold dove
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Okay, pal. veggies

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All i'm going to say. Is that with your own community theorizing stuff like that, you "don't" ruin their expectations with such a minor reveal.
Even if your original intentions where for the nameless to be just "normal."
It has yet to be confirmed yet, and there's enough wiggle room for their theory to be right.

But hey, i'm no writer. Not like i've been doing some research of how to write for my own project. 🤷‍♂️

gusty turret
# bold dove Just like wyverns.

At least wyverns exist in books and movies and stuff they just like made Alien have seggs with a giant or something to come up with Reapers

plain plover
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dude they were there prior to Rockwell in already established notes

merry cipher
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wyverns exist to dangle keys, the lore explanation is so piss poor

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"oh we have dinosaur lets make DRAGON"

bold dove
plain plover
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they are just a unique creature to aberration, i don't get why you would think that the slightly humanoid creature is a mutant human when other fauna is just fine existing

still iron
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You guys ever wonder where element even came from I mean the real source of it

merry cipher
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all we know is it's from space

plain plover
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we only know that it was from a meteor

bold dove
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Oh, i don't know.
Maybe the fact that Aberrations a fucked up ARK. And they could've used that explanation to explain the nameless being mutated survivors from a corrupted respawning station. veggies
Or the fact that the previous survivors on Aberration could've lived in the edge of the radiation biome, 'before' it was radiated. And with generations of element mutations and Alabama, could've formed the nameless. veggies
And all of this could've been swept under the rug with the writing with the excuse of "Homo-Deus Helena fixed the respawning on Aberration."

merry cipher
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like all mysterious sci fi plot points!

still iron
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I'm so curious

plain plover
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from Gen 2 we know that element is wide spread across the galaxy which leaves me to believe that something intentionally was seeding planets with it

bold dove
still iron
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Let alone to what point did the mass of flesh fuse with Edmund too was is a separate organism kinda like venom 🤔 the origin of the flesh something is the ship was capable of cloning flesh it is plant so to speak but it's so bAZaaar

merry cipher
plain plover
merry cipher
bold dove
plain plover
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they're better then Gen 2's

merry cipher
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Gen 2's notes were piss poor.
But its actual story with HLN-A and Rockwell is [chefs kiss]

bold dove
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Oh, defiantly.
But i'm the person that finds faults in everything.
Including Marc's writing.

merry cipher
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I still hate the fact that the wyverns were given an exscuse to exist with "oh the obelisks needed to challenge the survivors"

bold dove
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And that's all the reapers are too. veggies

merry cipher
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That could've easily been done with nautral disasters, not making an entirely new species. The ARKs are for preserving life and testing survivors, not playing god and making new animals.]

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Big agree tbh. Also I hate that the Reapers are just a dinosaur xenomorph. The parasitism is a VERY good idea but calling it impregnation just makes you look weird.

bold dove
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Yeah, kind of odd that the ARK's are meant to preserve life. Yet whenever a civilizations gets too big..which....you'd think that'd tells the ARK's that they're doing a 'good' job.
They just fucking destroy them.

still iron
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Maybe like the arkpocalypse servers have a little yank ??? Whipes maybe meteor clearing server ? Idk so much nips

merry cipher
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Making new challenges and new animals is not how you preserve life. That's called playing god and trying to wipe humanity out.

still iron
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The colony ship give me a saints row 5 vibe

bold dove
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@plain plover You have any thoughts on this point?

plain plover
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I think you're trying to pick apart a fundamental part of the story

merry cipher
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Reapers could've existed as an animal that has a symbiotic relationship with Nameless WITHOUT the edgy survivor-killing part. Wyverns should have never existed (or at least been put into the Simulation).

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A fundamental part of the story that is VERY flawed.

bold dove
plain plover
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yeah, well the federation could have learned more about the effects of element on the planet and avoided distaster

bold dove
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Yeah, they could've.

merry cipher
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You can't lie that ARK's story makes fuckall sense sometimes, as much as you love it.

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ARK means a lot to me and yet I'm still looking at the story like "huh, this is utter BS."

bold dove
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I respect Marc and all.
But it definalty shows that this was his first major title.

merry cipher
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Like, you cannot lie that the lore was probably mostly an afterthought. Their initial thought being "that looks cool, throw it in lol"

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Same especially goes for the Kaijus. Literally what is the point of them existing?? They're only there to dangle keys for Kaiju fans with a poorly-strung-together explanation for existing.

still iron
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I find most of the lore I'm the envoirment after I found every note for example the giant guardian on the island felt more like the end of the end but you get introduced to other main bosses one would think going to the bridge of the ship means boom 💥 but...

plain plover
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alright I agree with the Kaijus coming out of nowhere

merry cipher
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Oh absolutely, lore shown in notes out of order is the worst idea ever.

plain plover
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that's where the "This would blow as a film" rule kicks in

merry cipher
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Also I literally strung together a better explanation for the King Titan at like 9am with no sleep. Not to toot my own horn.

still iron
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I liked the notes but definitely agree with the out of order thing, to many different view points from many character personalities

bold dove
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All i'm saying is that reapers and nameless could've been handled better. And if your fundamental part of the whole story can 'easily' be picked apart, then there's something wrong. 🤷‍♂️

merry cipher
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Essentially the proto-ARKs have prototype Overseers that have been corrupted over time, but aren't necessarily big or scary. They're just corrupted and they're trying to kill you the moment you access the proto-ARKs. You have to uncorrupt them and regain access to these ARKs, before you have to kill the Overseer of Sanctuary, which is a replacement for the King Titan. You can't save this one as it's far too corrupted, but once it dies Helena takes its place, and the Reseed Protocol begins.

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I skipped over a LOT of it but that's the gist of it.

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"king titan is the culmination of element" is SUCH a bullshit excuse lmfao

still iron
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I think I really got.lost when extinction dropped it confused the hell out of me

merry cipher
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Ext.'s lore is absolutely horrible and strung together.

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Doesn't surprise me that they made another ending.

still iron
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Extinction felt like a separate variation to another story directed towards Santiago

bold dove
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Actually, i think i might be able to think of something with the King-Titan being the embodiment of element.
"Element communicates like how phones communicate. The King titan is like the cellphone dish of Earth's element. But needs to grow bigger to be able to communicate with the rest of the galaxies element.
Once the King-Titan gets large enough from centuries of element pollution, they'd be able to contact other element based planets. Confirming that this planet is now dead, and to spread to further planets. Till there's nothing left till all of space, is nothing but the most purest form of all types of "elements."
Pretty bad, but with some thinking, and picking apart the shitty parts and replacing them. Could be a good concept.

still iron
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World Eater Rockwell, control the corruption , control a planet , take its power source and get uglier sounds right?

gusty turret
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Helena explains it pretty well in the one who waits notes

still iron
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Do you suppose Rockwell really wanted to do what he was doing? I'm Gen 2 ending almost got a hint of regret

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Typos sorry

bold dove
gusty turret
merry cipher
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Again, it's poorly strung-together. There's no actual explanation to why they exist. A radioactive element doesn't grow because it's hungry.

still iron
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What throws me off about element and corruption is one's a plant just how in the world does a plant get twisted the way it did the only thing I can think of is everything's made of elements and the plant is a catalyst to it idk I give up xD

gusty turret
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"Yet the darkest shadows are the ones that were never truly alive to begin with, the ones born of the violet poison itself. Titanic manifestations of its ravenous hunger and endless hatred.More than that, they are its avatars, made of its very essence. They carry pieces of the poison's collective consciousness, and they spread its influence. Destroying them would wound the poison itself."

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That's literally just how it's explained they are the avatars of the corruption born from it

still iron
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That would be ok but when we fight them they are being controlled by corruption an we gotta blow off zits off of them 😒

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Something is sus

gusty turret
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" If you search for him blindly, you may search forever. So instead, call him to you. Use the voice of his lieutenants, and call out his name. Then he may appear before you, with all his wrath and fury. Then you'll have your chance.But to speak with the voice of his lieutenants, you must take their hearts. Or if you can, take their minds, and pit their strength against his. However you do it, they are the key. You must begin with them"

gusty turret
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Why do people keep complaining about the Ark story being basic and poorly put together idk what you expect, at least it isn't like Harry Potter were JKR basically rewrote lotr with more magic and called it a book

bold dove
gusty turret
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Well its canon so cope

bold dove
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Don't have to though.

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Bethesda's poor excuse of writing in the Fallout games are now "canon."
Doesn't mean i need to "like" them.

gusty turret
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You don't have to like it but you have to live with it so

bold dove
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So what?
Tell me, what?

gusty turret
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L

bold dove
gusty turret
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L

bold dove
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You're a kid, aren't you? veggies

gusty turret
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No

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But you can't rewrite what canonically happens, so take L

bold dove
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Uh huh.
"Suuure."

south osprey
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I always though that element wanted to get stronger, to the point there's no way back to save an infected planet.
Hence the creation of titans (besides the whole obvious kaiju media reference in there).

bold dove
gusty turret
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You think they're gonna rewrite the one who waits notes for a cartoon that probably wont go for that long to reach that point of the series anyways

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Or they're gonna start some Marvel multiverse bs

bold dove
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Who knows. 🤷‍♂️

gusty turret
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It sucks Fortnite is canon in the main marvel universe and the multiverse because of a crossover

bold dove
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Comic or movie universe?

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Cause there's a difference.

gusty turret
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Well Thor and the Rock guy play Fortnite in the MCU Im not sure if the crossover they did in game connected to the cinematic universe or the comics

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But it exists in Marvel at all, and that's enough for me to be depressed

bronze turtle
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Main universe would be the comics

bold dove
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Well....like....of fucking course a video-game is canon at that point.

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This is a universe about aliens thinking they're greek gods, a purple alien that wants to wipe out half of the universe.
You think video-games aren't canon?

bronze turtle
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Why do people care if fortnite exists. If you dont like something dont spend time thinking about it

bold dove
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I thought you meant something more major, like marvel characters traveling to the fortnite universe, and now that's canon. veggies

Which technically that could be canon since of the whole multiverse.

bold dove
gusty turret
bold dove
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Yeah, that was in Endgame.

gusty turret
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Wasn't endgame 2 years ago now?

bold dove
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Thor went to the life of a gamer, after losing to Thanos.

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Yep.

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Though, it might feel like only a year since they didn't do anything in 2020 cause of covid.

gusty turret
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Yeah last year Fortnite and Marvel paired up then Galactus showed up and then Thor, Iron man, She hulk, Groot, and i wanna say a few others came through a portal and yeah......

bold dove
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Most likely comic canon. Since She-Hulk doesn't exist in the movie universe yet.

gusty turret
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God knows why they did it

bold dove
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Money

bronze turtle
gusty turret
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That also places Rick and Morty and Marvel comics in the same multiverse

bold dove
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Business thinking is always easy to think of the 'why' they did.
It all rounds down to "money."

south osprey
bronze turtle
bold dove
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It's a one sided canon.

gusty turret
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True

bold dove
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It's like the movie "Who framed Roger-rabbit"
All of Disney's movies are canon to that movie. But "Who framed Roger-Rabbit" isn't canon to other Disney movies.

gusty turret
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So many series have just hopped on the multiverse train at this point

bold dove
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Roger-rabbit has been out since the 90s

gusty turret
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Minecraft exists in Rick and Morty and Rick and Morty canonically exists in the same multiverse as Gravity falls if i remember correctly

bold dove
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Again, it's a one sided canon.

gusty turret
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How are you certain though

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What if Disney just buys everything and connects it in one big multiverse, i see it happening

bold dove
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Then Disney will lose more fans then they'll ever make back.

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Hate me and all for this. But marvel is bigger then Star-Wars.
Star-Wars can slightly fuck up without losing 'too' much money on Disney's side.
But Marvel is a whole other story.
If they lose the respect of Marvel fans, they they'll lose a good 45-ish% of their whole fanbase.

gusty turret
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Don't they own Spiderman?

bold dove
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Nope

gusty turret
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Who owns Spiderman i could've swore someone owns him

bold dove
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Sony owns spiderman.
Disney is only allowed to use him cause they paid to 'borrow' him.

gusty turret
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Oh i knew it was someone

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Someones gonna come smack us for discussing this in lore chat probably

bold dove
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This channel is more of a nomad channel.
We talked about anus's in here and no one gives a shit.

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Mostly cause they made the channel to banish me from cause i was talking about too much anus's in general.

gusty turret
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We talk about Rockwells dumpy pretty frequently

merry cipher
gusty turret
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We as people who have no ties to wildcard can do nothing about it is what im saying

merry cipher
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No, but we still have the ability to create things off of it for fun.

hybrid ice
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Bruh

bold dove
merry cipher
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marc's writing is not perfect

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it's actually, kind-of poor at times

teal kelp
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Who is Marc

merry cipher
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old writer for ark

teal kelp
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Ah

bold dove
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The islands-Extinction's writer.

fallow sapphire
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He definitely had some poor spots, but i still prefer his story over the new one

tender wasp
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Same. I prefer Marc's writing by far and no writer is perfect. But in the end it is all a thing of taste and I did rewrite a lot of stuff I did not like for my own Ark universe 🙂

bold dove
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This is some good ass coffee.

tender wasp
bold dove
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Like, they're perfect human killing machines.

tender wasp
gusty turret
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Perfect human killing machines when the humans dont just having essentially living nukes that scar the land permanently

tender wasp
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Nameless are degenerated humans in my lore.. extreme cloneing fails.

fallow sapphire
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Thats part of mine aswell

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Feels more fitting

gusty turret
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The only thing im headcanoning is Rockwell's massive space dumpy

bold dove
#

I feel like the ARK's could've been perfect as a concept of a "prison" like concept.
Criminals planted with false memories put on the ARK's for testing. And since they're criminals, all morals of testing can be thrown out of the window. Hints why they the ARK's are so harsh.
Though, just like any prison. Not 'everyone' is actually a criminal, and some "criminals" that where framed where brought back also.
This would kind of explain why the ARK's are in constant war in PvP, which would be the most likely canon gamemode.

tender wasp
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I also have Arks were only a base population of humans was put on and that live and reproduce normaly.

tender wasp
bold dove
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Yeah, that'd be a cool concept for it's own game.
But i also like the whole "Humans are dead, but A.I's are testing on cloned humans to try to find the perfect version of what makes a human a human." idea.
Thought the whole criminal thing would've made more sense then mindlessly resurrecting innocent people into a hellish world.

gusty turret
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Is it mindless tho?

bold dove
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Yes

gusty turret
#

Not really

bold dove
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Tell me then.

gusty turret
#

Tell you what?

bold dove
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Why it's not mindless.

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Why the hell would you resurrect innocent people from the dead, and plant them on a hellish island full of predators that want to kill them?

gusty turret
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Because the one who waits sacrifed many who were already dead testing the resurrection process for us to try again with our previous knowledge

bold dove
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And i'm talking about in general.

gusty turret
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Yes but that isn't her name anymore

bold dove
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Tell that to Rockwell. veggies

gusty turret
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Just like we are the ones who try again

tender wasp
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Yeah AIs testing the fitting humans is more what is in my Ark world.. also a reason there are different concepts cause cloneing to often in my Ark world ends in degeneration and insanity, even worse when done more than ones.. and even the first cloneing can end pretty nasty if something fails.

gusty turret
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Its not like Rockwell knows she "ascended"

bold dove
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He does though. veggies

gusty turret
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How?

bold dove
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"I'd never thought 'she' would have it in her to find her own way to godhood."

gusty turret
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Idk how he'd know that

tender wasp
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Actually there is no you get a second and there is only one case which was luck and will never be reproducable.

rigid palm
bold dove
rigid palm
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Except way worse

gusty turret
bold dove
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I can't understand what they said.

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I had a fucking stroke reading that.

tender wasp
gusty turret
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I think you forgot some punctuation

bold dove
rigid palm
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I understood it fine lol

tender wasp
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yeah cause it ate some of the scentence apperantly

gusty turret
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Im quite content with the Story Marc built it's pretty good imo, it should've ended on Extinction tho the genesis stuff is just dumb

tender wasp
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People on my Arks have no second chance.. they die, they are dead.. and brining them back again is nearly not possible without massive disadvanatges. A reason only one person is brought back ever, which is a lot of luck, some super carefull aproche and actuall some willpower.

bold dove
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I actually liked some of Genesis 2's story. And could've brushed the bad stuff out as "It's just the new writers first map writing."

.....till Wildcard added fucking Vin Diesal at the end.....

gusty turret
#

Yeah Santiago's on what his fourth life now?

bold dove
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@frigid latch You hear that Jat?
Y'all better make sure he's a well written character in ARK 2. 👀

gusty turret
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Im fine with respawning being canon till Earth is reseeded but cmon now you can't just keep cloning Vindiago so you can recycle his character

tender wasp
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And fun fact, my Santiago existed long before Gen even was a thing.

bold dove
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I actually kind of liked the Gen 2 Santiago in the notes.
Just not the one at the end.

tender wasp
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But the one at the end is way worse

gusty turret
#

Nida is the only character they shouldve made a thing in Ark 2

bold dove
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"SoMe ThInG tElL's Me ThAt ThIs Is ThE eAsY pArT."

gusty turret
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Because shes the only one that presumably survived

tender wasp
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"Respawnnnnned agaiiiiin!"

bold dove
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In all honesty though. Scene would've actually been decent if he played as anyone 'other' the Santiago.

gusty turret
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I hope our favorite mek Lesbians didn't die but they probably did

bold dove
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I feel like Santiago is going to be the Master Chief of the series.
Dragged out till everyone hates him. veggies

tender wasp
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Yeah would have fitted when he had played Riccick, Dominik Toretto or who else he embodies in his movies (anyways all the same stereotype)

tender wasp
bold dove
tender wasp
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Yeah and maybe Mei Yin will come back too as new clone

gusty turret
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Or they could somehow come back as extinction variant, because Diana's last note mentions going to Arat prime

bold dove
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If anything, ARK 2 could be a 'soft' reboot in the storyline. Bringing back old characters and changing some stuff about them to make them more appealing in person.

tender wasp
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To be fair I would prefere Diana and Mei to have died on earth and never will come back to at least don't let them suffer Santiagos fate to get screwed over

bold dove
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They'd be dead by natural causes by now.

gusty turret
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I don't think the gaps actually that big isn't it like 10 years at the biggest guess?

bold dove
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That's for Extinction and Genesis

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Stone doesn't decay that fast in 10 years.

fallow sapphire
bold dove
fallow sapphire
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one of HLN-A's discoveries on extinction mentions "a few years back" talking about Helena, Diana, and Mei

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Discovery #15 i believe?

bold dove
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HLN-A also states that the magmasaur was on Scorched, but this has a few plot holes in it.

gusty turret
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People can hate me for this but the only way either genesis chronicle would be canon would be us having nightmares/dreams of our adventures

fallow sapphire
tender wasp
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There are a bunch of plot holes

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But that happens even more when writers switch

gusty turret
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We couldn't have HLNA before Genesis, and Rockwell would infact be in our head to place his little notes in our mind talking about us exploring the old haunts and such

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So i feel like it fits, why wouldn't we have post traumatic stress of sorts after fighting demigods that would cause it to happen?

tender wasp
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H-LNA was given to us in the sim.

astral cedar
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Gen 1 and 2 are kind of shit why is vin Santiago anyway.

tender wasp
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I actually ignore Gen and Gen 2 in my story, cause many reasons.

gusty turret
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They shouldn't exist but sadly you cant ignore them when talking canon

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They could've written another storyline that happens on other arks instead of Genesis to give us more insight but

astral cedar
tender wasp
gusty turret
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Or they could've made the next dlcs take place on reseeded Earth instead of just completely abandoning that aspect

sterile quail
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Does anyone know which bosses give you 15 levels???

tender wasp
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I think they did that cause Vinnie also wanted to be in the TC Series or he asked to be Santiago.. no clue what is true.. but Gen 2 Santiago is super rewritten to fit more in Vinnies hero wannabee in movies and the ending one is even worse.

bold dove
gusty turret
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Don't forget master controller

bold dove
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And Master controller.

gusty turret
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Which idk why king titan doesn't give you any levels

bold dove
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Cause even though he has the highest stats. He's honestly not that hard.

gusty turret
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None of the bosses are hard tho

bold dove
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What makes him the hardest is that you need to be the biggest no-life, by raising a army of gigas.

gusty turret
#

You can do overseer and regular Rockwell on foot

bold dove
gusty turret
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It's easy with rhinos and reapers

bold dove
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Are you on official?

gusty turret
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Nah i play on like 5x

bold dove
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That's why.

gusty turret
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But thats how ive seen it done on official to

bold dove
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5x makes bosses a big easier.

bold dove
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And you only have 15 minutes each phase to pick up 80 keys. Even though you can only carry 20.

gusty turret
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You bury the reapers around then get everyone on rhinos and just plow through all the corrupted avatars clumped on the reapers

bold dove
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That's if you 'have' friends.
Not many people in ARK have friends that also play ARK.

gusty turret
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Yeah you just shouldn't do alpha master controller if you don't have friends honestly

fallow sapphire
gusty turret
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Unless you get rexes that have been bred for years

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And not on servers that wipe every 3 months like i play on

pure cipher
gusty turret
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Probably because the mission grind for it isn't worth it

fallow sapphire
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I remember wishing Rockwell Prime’s fight would be similar to CMC, but then they basically just re did the fight but with more lag

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And then i realized how flawed my hope was

gusty turret
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Yeah Rockwell prime is pretty easy on foot too

fallow sapphire
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Speaking of Rockwell Prime, I have 4 missions before i can beat him on alpha

gusty turret
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Master controller and king titan are the only end bosses you need tames for

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Kinda sad actually

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Tek suit should be disabled in tek cave

fallow sapphire
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Dragon you need tames, it hits you and you die instantly

gusty turret
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That isn't an end boss

fallow sapphire
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But it is required for an end boss

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You cant do overseer without those bosses

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But i get your point

gusty turret
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Yeah

fallow sapphire
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Still, even if they are possible on foot they can still be challenging if you arent careful

gusty turret
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And people do regular titans on foot with shotguns

bold dove
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Rockwell Prime is by far the easiest boss.

gusty turret
#

Eh regular Rockwell is pretty easy

fallow sapphire
bold dove
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Which is sad, cause i really wanted the finale of ARK: Survival Evolved to be hard as shit.

gusty turret
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Rockwell prime has the opportunity to mess you up if you arent careful

fallow sapphire
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I so wanted to have noglins in the fight

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Woulda required you to have good tames but not too good

bold dove
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Rockwell, the god of element. Death incarnate. The maker of the new race.

Can be FUCKING killed by 3 of his own creations.

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@frigid latch Jat, for the love of god. Please buff Rockwell Prime.

gusty turret
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I mean im not complaining i can do all the missions to beat him off spawn

fallow sapphire
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I am excited to take Rockwell Prime on alpha level, beta was a semi-challenge so alpha should be interesting

gusty turret
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Wait nevermind i forgot they added hunts

fallow sapphire
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30k i assume you meant?

bold dove
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300k for a rex is fucking god tier.

fallow sapphire
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Oh didnt read fully

gusty turret
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Nah you just need shadowmanes

fallow sapphire
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450 does make things harder, but you also get insane taming effectiveness

gusty turret
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Wildtamed shadowmanes dunk on all the island bosses

fallow sapphire
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So add that to mutations and it is crazy powerful

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But again that is with 450 max, normal is 150

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My mutated shadowmanes do about 5k with full boosts with super attack with normal max

gusty turret
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I think you misunderstand im pretty sure they're talking about the overall cap which is also 450 on official

pure cipher
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450 wild, I have boss rexes over level 1000…

gusty turret
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Oh

fallow sapphire
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I was gonna say

gusty turret
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Nevermind then

fallow sapphire
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It would take years to get a shadowmane that op with 150s

bold dove
gusty turret
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I would never play on a server like that no offense dino levels that high is stupid and unplayable

fallow sapphire
gusty turret
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The only dino stat that should ever be messed with is upping weight

bold dove
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8x
Only cause i play solo.

pure cipher
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7.5x

fallow sapphire
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More then i expected, i do 2x solo

gusty turret
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I play on 10x-15x but all stats are normal besides weight so it's just easier to grind

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I think fortitude is also boosted i don't remember i haven't played Ark in like a month

fallow sapphire
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welp I'm off, gotta attempt survive the ark on alpha again

gusty turret
#

You aren't gonna do it solo

fallow sapphire
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i almost did

pure cipher
fallow sapphire
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30 more seconds and i would have

tender wasp
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I got bored of Gen 2 pretty fast XD

gusty turret
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You're gonna have to upload a video of that shi youd rock the Ark community ive only seen people doing it with player limit shoulder cannon capped flak

pure cipher
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Gen 2 was probably the best map for PVE players, the worst for pvp players lol

gusty turret
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Eh it's not even fun for pve

fallow sapphire
gusty turret
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Its a garbage map all around, pve is only fun when you rp war and stuff and with tek suits its no fun

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I prefer Rag for my pve

pure cipher
gusty turret
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Kinda hoping they make the ruins buildable on lost isle itd be so good for rp

pure cipher
gusty turret
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I still never explored all of the island

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I know Rag and Valguero like the back of my hand

pure cipher
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I just don’t like the island as much as I used to, it’s the smallest map, oldest map, and everyone who has the game has that map so servers will always be populated, which can sometimes be a problem

gusty turret
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Its caves are fun

pure cipher
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Like when Gen 2 got released the server would overcap to like 47/30 people xD

gusty turret
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Yeah wildcard enabled overcapping servers when it dropped

tender wasp
bold dove
pure cipher
gusty turret
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I need a map thats completely caves, not like Aberration, but actually a massive cave system with slightly bigger openings scattered around with grass and trees and stuff with regular herbivores spawning in

pure cipher
gusty turret
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And all the lighting comes from crystals scattered around on the walls instead of some sky hole

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They could add bloodstalkers and tlc bats and stuff

pure cipher
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We need a se ascension, although it will probably never happen

bold dove
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They do have bloodstalkers on Genesis 2.

gusty turret
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I mean on the all cave system map i want

tender wasp
gusty turret
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That isn't dumb like Aberration

bold dove
tender wasp
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Abs actually was the best and the hardest map they ever released. It became easy when they allowed shit like Manas on it.

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And even cryos made it way easier.

pure cipher
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Abb is cool except for you wait a day to transfer off the map if you don’t have a transmitter unlocked and you are level 45 with no tames (this happened to me)

gusty turret
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It's definitely the best but id prefer a map with like actually a huge cave system that covered the entire map instead of just a huge open area that id hardly consider a cave

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Like island caves are the entire map

tender wasp
pure cipher
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Exactly lol

gusty turret
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Idk why you couldn't transfer from charge stations

tender wasp
gusty turret
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Like people do on gen 2

pure cipher
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My tribe leader and I went to abb to grab some ravagers and glowpets, and the creatures we brought couldn’t be used on that map so it was a little fun but frustrating at the same time lol

gusty turret
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I enjoyed shadowmanes on Abb

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Maewings are probably good for it

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Bears are surprisingly fun to run around on Abb

pure cipher
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That was a while ago, before shadowmanes and aimbot dolphins although that would be cool, shadowmanes on abb

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I’m assuming you are unable to bring dolphins on abb, right? 😬

gusty turret
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I actually don't know

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I know you can use the desert titan which is kinda a flyer

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Im gonna guess no, at least i haven't seen it being used there yet

pure cipher
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When dolphins were the most op thing in the game, rip abb players on pvp if they are transferable

tender wasp
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Dolphines would kill the map

pure cipher
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I just looked 5x Harvest 7.5x taming on the server I’m on. Anyways dolphins are probably the worst thing pvp players have seen besides manas

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Yet again, gen 2 ruined pvp

tender wasp
#

Gen and gen 2 did ark no good in many ways

gusty turret
#

Bloodstalkers are filthy

pure cipher
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as soon as ext was released pvp became very different

gusty turret
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Yeah

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Love hate relationship with cryos, pvp was so much cooler when you had to march stuff across the map to fight but that also kinda sucked

fallow sapphire
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took a few runs but i did it, alpha survive the ark solo

astral cedar
ember solar
tender wasp
# astral cedar still kinda dumb tho

yup. Would have been better to make VD a total new char cause it made not much sense. they did rewrite and totaly "redisign" (glue VDs face and body on him) Vindiago anywas not to talk about that VD does not fit the smart hacker he was on Abs/Ext but he feels way less intelligent on Gen 2.. but still very stupid idea.

south osprey
#

I really HATE to edit someone else's universe and altere lore because boohoo I don't like it.
If anything, I just incorporate my character without affecting them.

Unless the lore is soooooo bad, then... Yeah.

onyx sky
#

The storyline is weird it would be interesting to watch a video that explains most of it but I have a feeling a lot of stuff is pretty full of holes.

tender wasp
tender wasp
bronze turtle
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can we put links here

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cause im working on a google slides of the entire story

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and i wanna see the communities opnion on it

tender wasp
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nope you can't

hexed pumice
#

Since we’ve seen the end of gen 2 and the story on the arks isn’t fully wrapped up because they just landed back on the earth would we maybe get a new map back on the arks but on earth

gusty turret
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That story is fully wrapped up though

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The Arks came back down, the Earth was reseeded, thats it

hexed pumice
#

But what about one that shows the earth growing back with the arks

gusty turret
#

How would they make a map big enough to display that without exploding anything that wasn't a very expensive pc

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There's just no point, the writer that wrote that story is gone it would be a mess

hexed pumice
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Ah ok

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So extinction was the full wrap up

gusty turret
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Pretty much

hexed pumice
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Cuz I thought there may be a map about the earth having to be cleaned up and you needing to do some quests

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And that one of the arks that was cleaning the earth malfunctioned

gusty turret
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Yeah Aberration......

latent fractal
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They finished the story with the arks with ext, the writer who wrote everything up to ext also quit as he told the story he wanted to tell

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Gen 2 was the last official dlc map for ark 1

hexed pumice
gusty turret
#

We can't fix something that exploded on impact

latent fractal
#

then we would just be playing abb again lol

hexed pumice
#

Although it was mostly destroyed by a element bomb

latent fractal
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not that I would mind ofcourse

hexed pumice
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Or whatever it was Santiago made with the others

latent fractal
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Yeah tek nuke lol

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as I like to call it, not 100% sure what they called it in the notes

gusty turret
#

It wasn't destroyed by the bomb they bombed the overseer

hexed pumice
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Like the bomb he created that destroyed the earth

latent fractal
#

a bomb didn't destroy earth?

hexed pumice
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It was some super weapon

latent fractal
#

The reason earth is "destroyed" is cause of the corruption

gusty turret
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Element weaponry in general really sped up the process of it but its unclear if it was caused by the element being used or the element was doing it in general

hexed pumice
#

Yea

latent fractal
#

it wasn't a singular weapon or bomb that caused it though

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Abberation always had the caverns I believe, when the overseer got nuked the ark started malfunctioning and the survivors went for shelter inside of the caverns

hexed pumice
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Yea cuz it destroyed the ozone layer of the ark

gusty turret
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"It's unclear to me whether it was a matter of evolution or awakening. That is to say, I'm not certain if the violet poison turned into the all consuming virus it is now, or if it always was that way. Either is possible."

hexed pumice
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Which made it impossible to go on ground level without dying in day time

gusty turret
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"Was it an infection, carried across the universe like interstellar pollen, or a remarkable resource, mutated into a monstrosity? Was our garden invaded, or twisted by the greed and ambition of its keepers? I don't know the answer. I'm not sure it matters"

latent fractal
#

have you seen the island ascencion by any chance, they show how arks look

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could be wrong here

gusty turret
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The artificial atmosphere was destroyed, which is what kept them from being burned alive during day

latent fractal
#

yeah

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which is why its safe to enter the surface at night

hexed pumice
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Basically the ozone layer

gusty turret
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Yeah

latent fractal
#

yeah but its not made of ozone, has the same purpose though

hexed pumice
#

Yea

latent fractal
#

it also allows them to "display" a real sky giving the impression they are still on earth

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well atleast until they ascend for the first time lol

gusty turret
#

Its weird to think a lot of people on the Arks didn't know the concept of Earth

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Unless they were implemented with false knowledge or something to know about the general solar system

hexed pumice
#

Yea

latent fractal
#

Believe there was a discussion recently about the altering of the memory specifically with if ingame days being so short are cannon. I mean they did change gen 2 santiago's memories a bit

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and from most of the survivors I just realised lol

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as they don't remember working together building the arks and genesis ship

gusty turret
#

Unless Helena managed to alter the time cycle i doubt its canon

latent fractal
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and the tek survivors still think the URE and federation are at war

hexed pumice
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They might’ve thought they were still on earth maybe as their last memory

latent fractal
#

They still thought they were

hexed pumice
#

Because didn’t they take dna samples of anyone they could get

latent fractal
#

Yup they went grave digging lol

hexed pumice
#

Yea

gusty turret
#

They made a version of every person that ever lived

hexed pumice
#

That’s how they got John Dakota and some Egyptian girl (forgot the name) on the same map

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Yea like how there was like 4-5 Santiago’s

gusty turret
latent fractal
hexed pumice
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First two on earth one died in combat one to a bomb

latent fractal
#

abb/ext - gen 2 earth - gen 2 ship

hexed pumice
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There was one on abb that went to extinction

gusty turret
#

4

latent fractal
#

Oh really 4?

gusty turret
#

Yeah the original

latent fractal
#

haven't managed to read all the gen 2 notes yet

hexed pumice
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He died in combat or somethin on his first death

latent fractal
#

oh right forgot about that one haha

hexed pumice
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But he got revived to fix what he caused

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I think at least

latent fractal
#

He didn't cause the corruption, but they needed him to work on the genesis ship

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the corruption was caused by everyone combined

gusty turret
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He just got cloned because he was a good leader and had valuable skills to building the ship

gusty turret
latent fractal
#

Yeah thats left to interpretation

bold dove
#

Pretty sure "The One Who Waits" stated that humanity caused element to go corrupted. Since of the mass amounts of element spores that where produced in the tek-war.
That, and the writer did confirm that his inspiration of "corruption" was real life pollution.

gusty turret
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"It's unclear to me whether it was a matter of evolution or awakening. That is to say, I'm not certain if the violet poison turned into the all consuming virus it is now, or if it always was that way. Either is possible. Was it an infection, carried across the universe like interstellar pollen, or a remarkable resource, mutated into a monstrosity? Was our garden invaded, or twisted by the greed and ambition of its keepers? I don't know the answer. I'm not sure it matters"

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Its left up to us ig

latent fractal
#

Yeah thats what i thought as well, but the note @gusty turret send kinda leaves that to interpretion.

latent fractal
gusty turret
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Chances are element corruptions gonna happen again on the new planet

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Because as stated in Nidas notes i think element is in the soil of both the rings because they just sucked it up off Earth

latent fractal
#

Doesn't the ship use element as fuel?

gusty turret
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No

latent fractal
#

What does it use then?

gusty turret
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Nuclear Artificial sun thingy

bold dove
#

That's the warp-drive.

latent fractal
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Yeah, wasn't there something hlna said about a mining ring that mined the asteroids, well as we could see there were alot of element asteroid fields

gusty turret
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Its powered by Rockwells massive dumpy

bold dove
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Pretty sure, yeah.

gusty turret
#

That's how we propel

bold dove
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It's powered by anything it can get its hands onto.

gusty turret
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I imagine the ship is just lined with solar panels facing the artificial sun

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Then probably uses solar winds to propel when not using the warpdrive

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Idk if thats how it works

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Also could have a bioreactor which is why we never see any vegetables spawning

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They definitely would have multiple power systems I don't see why they wouldn't

latent fractal
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Yeah but if they used the mining ring there would atleast be element on the ship

gusty turret
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There was already element on the ship before it launched

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They didn't filter the soil they put in the rings

latent fractal
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Yeah

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Also rockwell beamed himself up to the ship using an open port or something right?

gusty turret
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Arat prime

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Beamed himself into the simulation from there and then grew out of it and yeah

latent fractal
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Thats what I think but don't think it was specified arat prime

gusty turret
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There's no other way he could've got there

latent fractal
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Yeah, did they ever mention how he grew out of the sim

gusty turret
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The same way we would've?

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He just took it over and was like yeah im out now im shutting everything down

latent fractal
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Most likely we were already on the ship

gusty turret
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Well everything except for the moeder

latent fractal
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unless we're the same character from the arks

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which also isn't specified

gusty turret
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Left up to us but id say so

latent fractal
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Believe someone said a voice line of HLNA kinda confirmed that

gusty turret
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The gen 1 and gen 2 chronicles wouldn't make sense if it wasn't at least the same conscience with the same memories

latent fractal
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Yeah

plain plover
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yeah that's the thing, we can't physically be the same person, but it's possible the survivor we play as is a clone of the Survivor from Island-Extinction

hexed pumice
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Because that’s what happened when the abb-ext Santiago died

plain plover
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no, not necessarily

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the Santiago from the Genesis ship is a totally different person then the one that experienced the Events of the ARKs, they were based on the same person, but had different amounts of memories up to the point they were cloned, and unique experiences

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as for our survivor, they posses the same memories as the player.

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they only can know as much as you do

gusty turret
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Me finally learning troodons are scared of torches after 3 years

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I wonder how the one who tries again feels about the endless deaths

fallow sapphire
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they are probably like "rEsPaWnEd AgAiN"

lyric tendon
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more like "i want my tame back!"

hexed pumice
gusty turret
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Why the hell was the lifeboat not called the ark and have them make another name for the arks

lyric tendon
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it's an intergalactic boat... with lives

tender wasp
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You can see our survivor (if you decide to be the same) more like how Rockwell when it comes to the reason how we got the ship. Not physically more our conciousness uploaded to the ship and after freeing us from the Sim brought back in a new body that has been there all along.

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We can be a new survivor all along but you also could decide that your first survivor stood back at earth and treat his new clone like Santiago, with a different amount of memories, even with altered memories (like Gen 2 Santiagos), etc.

tender wasp
plain plover
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Genesis was Marc's idea origionally, just a thing if they decided they wanted to do a sequel without him

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I want to ask him what his pitch for Genesis was and how much of it was his idea

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I imagine it to be something like "uh, the Federation people and URE were still kind of split when the earth was dying and so the URE was the one that built the arks and the Federation built a giant ring shaped space ship that takes humans to another planet and Rockwell got on the ship through the Super transmitter at the city Arat prime thing we had in the notes, oh and you should probably have a DLC before it that leads into that premise so it isn't that jarring to the players"

tender wasp
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No it wasn't. He even stated it wasn't and he only had some really basic ideas about a ship

plain plover
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really? that's not what I got from the interview

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he stated in it that Arat Prime was very important to the premise of Genesis

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it was not

tender wasp
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That is what he actually said in the interview and that he gave them some basic ideas of the ship, not more and that his conclusion to Ark was Extinction.

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You even had it in Extinction that whatever was at Arat prime failed and after that most of the stuff is by the new writer. Marc only gave them some ideas he had. That is how I understood it.

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Extinction was his End to the story.

plain plover
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yes, and those Ideas are what I imagined in my above post

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Extinction is the end of the story, but he knew they were going make a sequel without him, might as well not have them ruin the continuity of his first and most respected work

tender wasp
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Yeah but I don't think that detailed. More like "There was something at Arat that failed. I had an idea about some colony ship" and that's it to word it simply.

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Also we don't really know how much of his possible ideas they really used besides the ship.

plain plover
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the URE being transhumanists and Federation being not that felt like way too logical and understandable to be come up by the same people who agreed to have Vin Diesel play Santiago

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I know that Vin wanted to play a part in it, but why that character?

tender wasp
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I think some BG from the war are still some of Marc's ideas. I agree on that.

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I also don't understand whn not giving him a new char but cause I asume, he invested in WC he might have asked for it.

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Or so they can allo press him in the animated series.

plain plover
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I was also thinking that the ship being ring shaped was part of early stuff from what I imagine to be a prototype CG model in the sky of ocean biome

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but now that I think about it that doesn't automatically mean the ring shape was part of the pitch for Genesis

tender wasp
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Ring Worlds and the Ring shape are not that uncommon in SiFI

plain plover
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Yeah, but that idea of a known open world game took place on one probably got someone a pat on the back

tender wasp
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Moving Ring or barrel constructions are often used for colony ships cause of rotation for gravity and smooth surface

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In the expanse they also built a colony ship which has a moving barrel construction were they wanted to keep some small eco system with cattle, etc.

plain plover
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Ever since I saw that one game theory on Halo rings I can’t un-see how pointless the round designs of large inward facing structures are unless they’re facing a contained star

tender wasp
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The artifical sun on the Gen ship is also in the middle.

plain plover
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Which, I guess the genesis ship is doing but still, the URE was perfectly able to do with just some LCD panels

tender wasp
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Different factions, different ideas and even they worked together I bet they did keep a lot to themself still.

plain plover
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The appeal of the ring shape was mainly for “Holy crap it’s a freakin ring the gravity curves inward” and that’s a innovation award right there but they don’t do that in Gen 2. In practice, it’s excusable Becuase of the absolute size of the thing.

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The weird size scaling is what led me to believe the map was actually the entire ring prior to release Becuase from the perspective of the trailer it’s way smaller

tender wasp
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Yeah, having the entire ring would have bean neat but melted maybe 90% of the servers and the PC.

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Sadly we only got a small part.

plain plover
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In the end, Gen 2 still worked out, and they may still get that innovation award nomination

rigid palm
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“Small part” like more than twice as big as rag lol

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But yeah, relatively its small

tender wasp
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In comparisson to the ring it is a small part 🙂

gusty turret
bitter barn
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the Arks are more similar to Noah's Ark as they just stayed in orbit and waited for the apocalypse to end

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instead of searching for another planet as the Genesis ship did

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probably why they got the name "Arks" instead of the lifeboat

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kinda makes more sense

full night
gusty turret
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Yeah

full night
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:O

hexed pumice
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Since most humans were on the genesis does that mean they may have a dna sample of Mei yin and all that

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Stored inside of it

latent fractal
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Yeah they shared the same database for that I believe

lyric tendon
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But they are not probably the same as the ones in the ARKs

Either their experience is different or their memories is still in their "default" state

onyx sky
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Maybe their memories are updated every time they resoawn

hybrid ice
hexed pumice
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When he died on extinction

onyx sky
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Maybe he’s just been taking too many narcotics

lyric tendon
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Diana and Mei will be different from what you know even if Santiago wasn't involved

Who knows ARK 2 Mei will not the Admin Abusive "Beast Queen" we all know and loved

hexed pumice
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Yea

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The only memories of Santiago on the arks was the memories before the war ended

tender wasp
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Even Santiago Gen 2 is a Santiago that (like caper said) never ever expreienced the Arks. He only has memeories from the war until he died (he was killed in the war) and even that memories are partly erased and altered, even his peronality might be.

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Mei and Diana would also be different, they would neer have been on the Arks, no memories from the Arks.

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Mei and Diana would ot even know each other

full night
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who could give me an entire essay on every piece of lore in ark in chronological order 😶‍🌫️

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is anyone that much of an expert in ark lore

tender wasp
hexed pumice
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The last memories of that Santiago that respawned on the ship was his death on earth by explosion while the one on the arks last memories were when earth was still at war

full night
tender wasp
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Also Ark Santiago seems to be way younger and that he has been cloned at a younger age (his early 20s) and has the memories up to that age only.

plain plover
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Vindiago seems to be aware of the fact he’s a clone when he wakes up at the end of Gen 2, I also like to make mention that after his death in the notes, it’s entirely possible that he was cloned multiple times to continue assisting with the Genesis project. I would like to think that after he figured it out the first time and didn’t try to kill himself, he was allowed to keep his memories

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It does raise questions about how reapawning works with Genesis and ARK 2, like in the ARKs there was a comfortable soul transfer thing, but Helena may not be around to configure that for ARK 2, oh and one oh HLN-A’s death commentary is “Please don’t go, I can’t do this on my own”

dense ice
lyric tendon
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If they made people "unconscious" instead of "dead" that would made more sense in ARK than in Pokémon

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Then again, we can see the corpse of our dead self and you can actually eat them

lyric tendon
#

I can see why Vin tries to turn off the Genesis System (at least for himself)

He tries to prevent overpopulation?

willow crow
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HLN-A was created using Helena’s experiences after she had already successfully resurrected Diana, so it not that much of a stretch to think that the genesis ship performed the same experiments as Helena, leading them both to the ability to resurrect survivors

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Ark II is a complete mystery tho

hexed pumice
lyric tendon
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HLN-A doesnt sound or acted like the Biologist/Paleontologist(?) like Helena

I feel like HLN-A is a merger between the OG Gen Overseer and Homo deus Helena, hence she is way versed in exetremely high Tek

Hence she can actually take form of a machine looked like Nida's drawing

bold dove
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HLN-A is voiced by the same person that voices Helena.
They literally 'have' the same voice.

fallow sapphire
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by sound i assume they mean the way she talks not the way she sounds

lyric tendon
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This what i meant

bold dove
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Neither sound like what human Helena would've.
Homo-Deus Helena is too laidback. While HLN-A is hyperactive.....though knowing Helena in the notes......that's actually closer to being the note Helena then Homo-Deus Helena is to herself.

lyric tendon
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Personality wise, yes
But her knowledge as HLN-A is somehow beyond what she'd know compared to when she was a human

hexed pumice
bold dove
plain plover
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Rockwell was right about one thing, it was all the annoying parts

lyric tendon
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"i will constantly remind you how "the ship goes between star systems to find hapitable worlds" every time you cross that middle bridge"

pure cipher
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I side with Rockwell, HLN-A had only the annoying parts built into them

hybrid ice
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Agreed

plain plover
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in Gen 1 she acts as clueless as we are, but in Gen 2 she's like our mom and clearly knows way more then what she has been letting on yet refuses to tell us.

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"Aw, look at you, making your first shelter"

gusty turret
#

Probably trying to make sure we actually pass the simulation first

gusty turret
#

Helena should've came with us

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She couldn't do much staying behind to "help" we could've used her more

hexed pumice
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Didn’t she say she could upload herself

mint nacelle
#

☕ 😏 wish HLNA could provide light in radius and give access to a player to player server store.

hexed pumice
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So she may be alive but in a digital way

gusty turret
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I doubt she's "alive" anymore by the time we kill Rockwell

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I wanna say the last one who waits note said she already felt herself fading

hexed pumice
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Imma go see what HLN-A says at the end

gusty turret
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Helena not HLNA

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HLNA can burn for all i care

hexed pumice
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Wait I just thought on the planet everyone else is gonna be all prim but ur survivor in full tek

hexed pumice
gusty turret
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What why would be the only survivor in tek

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I honestly doubt the exo mek survived impact we're probably dead

rigid palm
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I dont actually but yk what i mean

gusty turret
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Sigma grindset

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If you haven't been playing since before they even started developing the game what are you even doing

lyric tendon
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bruh auto deleted

rigid palm
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Lol i click notification and nothings there

lyric tendon
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it's profanity filter

gusty turret
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We need answers from the new writer

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Was the Exomek capable of entry into the planets atmosphere without burning up or exploding on impact? Did Nida survive? What are Rockwell's 4 meat puppets meant to represent?

fallow sapphire
gusty turret
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What would we be auto docking to?

fallow sapphire
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the ring

gusty turret
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True

fallow sapphire
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the suits were designed to be used outside the ship as much as inside so it isnt surprising it had something like that

gusty turret
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So are stryders gonna be in Ark 2 😟

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And enforcers and defense units since they spawn in the tek trench for some reason

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They're definitely just gonna reskin Ark with a new map and dinosaurs

fallow sapphire
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hey its still Ark, I'll take it

bronze turtle
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What I would like to know is How did Rockwell get from the Abberation ark to the colony ship?

fallow sapphire
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landed on earth thanks to the reseed protocol then used a link from arat prime to get to the ship

gusty turret
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Aberration crashed down to earth once we used the key of gaia or whatever then yeah arat prime

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Is the key of Gaia a physical object or a metaphorical?

bronze turtle
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Nice. Thanks for quick replies both of you. I Seem to recall on extinction there was a note saying about a transmission from arat prime but I can’t remember. Although the re seed happens after you defeat king titan. Not sure. Wonder if Rockwell manages to get down to vin diesels planet

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I think it’s that symbol on your abb implant?

fallow sapphire
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Rockwell better not return, he's had his story

gusty turret
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We like melted his heart and the ships hull collapsed on him and exploded i doubt he survived

fallow sapphire
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also yes you are correct in saying the reseed protocol comes after beating the king titan

gusty turret
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But they brought him back once why not recycle him again

bronze turtle
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He managed to transmit his consciousness from earth to the colony ship which was already far far away from earth. What’s to say maybe he uploaded a copy of his consciousness to the ring, or some artifact already on the planet? I’m just hoping for a reason to have tek in ark 2. No tek, me no play lol

fallow sapphire
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well they did say there would be no tek in ark 2, so i think your hope is gone

gusty turret
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Technically he could still be in the simulation which would theoretically be operationally

fallow sapphire
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but would he have a physical body to go to even if he was

bronze turtle
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Not sure what the point in “surviving” is if there’s no end game tier to work towards, as in technology. Without it, like what...we get sharper spears? Lol

fallow sapphire
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there is a difference in tech and tek, so there can still be technological advancements, just no tek tier

bronze turtle
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Alien technology already left behind on that planet. He becomes infused with aliens and we have UFO Rockwell

gusty turret
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Lmaoooo rockwell alien element hybrid

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I hope there are titan like creatures to fight those were so cool

fallow sapphire
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that would be awesome

gusty turret
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Not born of element of course but just like huge beasts we hunt down and get special stuff from

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That aren't stupid alpha creatures that the spawns of which weren't at all balanced

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If given the choice i will side with the orc things and kill Santiago

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Stay dead this time old man

lyric tendon
#

same... also they have skull helmets and humans don't

so i'm siding with the badasses

bold dove
tender wasp
tender wasp
bronze turtle
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can someone help me with my homework ?

here the equation :

s = ut + ½ at2

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?

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what does that have to do with story

fallow sapphire
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oh you know the secret math equation that brings about the secret gen 2 ending

merry mist
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Oh boy

lyric tendon
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Probably a secret code to unlocked the homeworld of Element

slender hedge
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yo nerdz can u guys pls tell me what made extinction corrupted

tender wasp
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extinction = Earth, Earth got corruppted by Element cause humans made big war with element weapons

slender hedge
lyric tendon
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My guess for the third creature is a Flyer that can disable Skiffs and Tek Saddles

tender wasp
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The third creature should be a flyer that poops into player faces and blind them.. Gian pigeon

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😉

red mist
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the third creature should be a reverse liopleurodon, i.e. something that doesn't exist until 30 minutes until you tame it, and then exists forever

onyx sky
#

House cat. We need house cats

lyric tendon
red mist
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🤔

urban stone
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How bout a blob fish

merry mist
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I want a giant

urban stone
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A giant blob fish?

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pervatasaurus

hexed pumice
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I want a giant dodo to tame in ark 2

gusty turret
#

Does anyone know if the Key of Gaia is physical or metaphorical?

lyric tendon
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nah, git gud

opal saffron
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Here's a question. Say that Rockwell for sure died in the end of Genesis Part 2, wouldn't that mean that if Helena solely wished upon it, Rockwell could come back as a survivor? If Wildcard does decide to bring him back, I doubt it would be his "ascended" element infused self, but as the scholar Helena knew him as

fallow sapphire
plain plover
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Only revived life forms were sent down onto the planet

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They don’t have all the colonists in pods, the ship had some of them awake to put them through the simulation (and one emergency vin Diesel)

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After a bit it empties out the pod and revives another colonist in the database to add memories the “humane” way

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But that didn’t happen when The ship exploded, but I imagine that not all drop ships were deployed at the moment the rings were compromised

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That leads to a possible start to ARK 2 that has our survivor wake up in the simulation and receive a basic tutorial, then get woken up alerted the drop ship they’re on is about to get deployed and receive one hell of an intro sequence as your drop ship careens through the sky and shows an over head view of the platue map Ark 2 takes place on. While you’re holding on for dear life a small sign appears above the window saying “Minor turbulence, return to bio pod”. The survivor is then thrusted back into their pod by a large jolt, and it closes up. The pod is then launched out of the ship through its missing back side and once they hit the ground, the survivor is knocked out, only to wake up in whatever spawn region they selected, and begin the game

dense ice
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@plain plover That’d be a rad start to the game! I hope for something like that 😄

fallow sapphire
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oh i so hope it does start with something like that

rigid palm
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Yeah i like the sound of being the same survivor, but being a clone

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So its the same person, but technically a new person as well

lyric tendon
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i don't even think ARK 2 is ever gonna do a sequence intro since it's multiplayer and it's an annoyance during respawn, imagine that in the middle of a raid

remember when we used to hope that we have to "run away from Rockwell's tentacles" when Gen 2 is announced

tender wasp
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Might also be that we need to find out what happend with us as while playing the game (something that would be something for new players to introduce them into the game).

plain plover
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That’s the idea, I had said above I don’t think all drop ships were deployed, and that we get dropped onto the planet some time after the initial drop

tender wasp
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Like "Why I am in the planet.. or what happend all that time that hass passed (if a lot of time has passed), etc.

lyric tendon
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just like The Island?

dire vine
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So what's the lore behind my character checking their wrist EVERY GOD D4MN TIME they come back to life?

Do they suffer from amnesia a lot?

lyric tendon
plain plover
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If you constantly die in hell everytime you woke up you would want to see if you’re still in hell

lyric tendon
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"you are in hell but your pet para still loves you"

tender wasp
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They will keep it open, if you are a new person or your old survivor and I don't think they will give a long intro sequel.

dire vine
plain plover
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To survivors, they tend to be unaware of their surroundings and most might think they’re dreaming. The dying and being revived concept is pretty alien. If you die in a dream, you wake up. So, people check to see if they really woke up or are still dreaming

tender wasp
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In Aberration one of the students jumps down a cliff cause they think they are dreaming,

dire vine
bold dove
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Honestly. They had it the best compared to the others.

tender wasp
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They had the fastest death of all the students

bold dove
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Yep

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One got mind-fucked by Rockwell himself.

gusty turret
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The ending of Ark 2 is gonna be it's all a dream

urban stone
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It’s the abb shrooms man, you gotta learn to avoid them

clear maple
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are reapers rockwells creation?

lyric tendon
clear maple
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ohh okay thanks :)

hexed pumice
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Wake up

gusty turret
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We're gonna wake up because Mei knocked us out in the tek cave and gonna repeat the main story all over again

lyric tendon
#

Mei would've become a grandma right about now when we first set foot on the ARKs

gusty turret
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Maybe

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Ageing might work differently on the Ark people tho

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She would've been ancient by the time she got to extinction after helping the tek tribe for so long with drakes and training and stuff

lyric tendon
#

It be weird if an infant stays as an infant forever

Plus the dinos does grow, so it makes sense that people grow too

gusty turret
#

Were there babies on the arks?

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And yeah the dinosaurs that were willed into existence by the overseers aged

lyric tendon
#

Rockwell's murder of a tribe with a complete family with poison i think

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Not sure if it's SE tho

bold dove
bold dove
gusty turret
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I think its still possible they had modified the ageing after a point

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Nothing to back it up ig but a good headcanon

lyric tendon
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I mean aging is also a good population control but killer creatures is faster

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I mean it make sense if they stopped aging at a certain point or else the overseers will not making wyverns and reapers then, and let the aged get eaten

bold dove
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Pretty sure Rockwell was in his late 30s when he was first on The Island, and was around 60 when he left. But i'm not 100% sure.

gusty turret
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We basically killed a grandpa with a god complex

pure cipher
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Random question, how much did rockwell age after he injected molten element into his veins, to where he dies in gen 2?

gusty turret
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Probably normally except he was kinda immortal so it didn't matter how old he gets

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Well technically not immortal because immortals can't die........ Unless he didn't..........

pure cipher
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At the end of the ark 2 trailer, there is a roar, my first thought was rockwell but there is now way he is alive, and that the current writer would keep Rockwell’s story going…

rigid palm
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An entire ship exploding might kill even an immortal, especially when the immortal has made most of his life force in the ship

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Or rather, his life force is tied to the ship

fallow sapphire
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Even if he somehow survived the crash he isnt on the planet

pure cipher
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So how many years was rockwell on abb after he injected the element in their veins? Or how long story wise was our survivor in the genesis sim + after king titan was defeated?

bold dove
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Actually, the planet we're on is more like a moon.
Me and Myrme did some talk about this.

fallow sapphire
bold dove
gusty turret
bold dove
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Rockwell 'can' die like any other being. The only reason why he survived on Aberration was cause the ARK 'forced' him to become immortal. Since it needed a new way for survivors to ascend, since the ARK testing must go on.

rigid palm
gusty turret
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He was immortal until aberration crashed

rigid palm
#

Gods are by definition immortal

pure cipher
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So are homo deus immortal, or just highly powerful beings

bold dove
gusty turret
#

Gods are subjective there is no gods, if you want to worship a rotting orange that's your god but by no means is it immortal

rigid palm
bold dove
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Also, immortality can come in different formats.

pure cipher
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Oh wait Helena doesn’t appear to age, as it’s been a long time from when she was on ext and we killed the king titan

bold dove
gusty turret
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Helena talks about the how horrible and ungodly like being homodeus actually is in the one who waits notes

bold dove
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Meh, fuck it.
God power.

rigid palm
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Also, if an immortal can kill another immortal then your argument is null because you argued that they cannot die

pure cipher
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Anyone know what the guardian was on abb before rockwell arrived or is it unknown

gusty turret
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No way of knowing "what" it was just another overseer like on the island ig, probably in a different form tho

bold dove
rigid palm
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Like monke, spider, megapithicus, manticore

gusty turret
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I think i interpreted it right

bold dove
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I'd trade my humanity to become a god like being.

gusty turret
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I wouldn't

pure cipher
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I meant either/or guardian or overseer, either of which would have made me learn something I have been wondering all day

bold dove
latent fractal
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Every ark had guardians and overseers I believe

gusty turret
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They said before Rockwell arrived so it was safe to guess overseer

pure cipher
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SE cough cough

bold dove
plucky prairie
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what happens if two survivors were to make children on the genesis simulation
waht happens to the child

bold dove
pure cipher
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I’m joking, idk if it ever had an overseer or not lol

rigid palm
latent fractal
rigid palm
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Theres a large difference

latent fractal
bold dove
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A overseer is required for the ARK's. Since it's the soul reasoning of the testing.
Also, i believe right after they killed Aberrations overseer, the station was going in self-destruct mode cause of that.

pure cipher
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So that’s why I’m assuming abb looks like that

rigid palm
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Yeah if the ark hadnt took rockwell as the new overseer it probably would’ve fallen apart, maybe come crashing down on earth

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King titan gets big surprise

gusty turret
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King titan claps Rockwell easy

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We only dent the King titan with Helenas help

pure cipher
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battle to the death old man vs alpha king titan

latent fractal
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Yeah they nuked abberations overseer which caused the ark to go into decay, from what I got the cave system was already there but probably looks different now than before

hexed pumice
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Who or what were the overseers

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We’re they like fallout ones or completely different

rigid palm
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The overseers are the ai’s that run the arks from behind the scenes

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They control drops, they spawn creatures, they keep the ark stable

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As you can imagine, nuking an overseer is not the way to sustain a healthy environment

gusty turret
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Overseers were homodeus thats consciousness decayed to the point they were basically just ai

rigid palm
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Dont think that was confirmed

latent fractal
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Yeah believe the writer said that somewhere but wasn't confirmed in the notes

rigid palm
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Honestly even if the writer said it, i dont trust it unless its in a explorer note

gusty turret
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Ah yes lets not trust the person who wrote the story and instead hope we get a note about it sometime in the future

fallow sapphire
tender wasp
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Lol don’t listen to the writer.. sure cause the writer does not know his own canon or what their ideas are behind the whole thing bigfacepalm

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If someone would tell me that about my own stories and canon I would punch them in the face and yes I write myself.

rigid palm
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Not that i dont trust them per se i just dont believe it is officially canon

fallow sapphire
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If its completely outlandish sure, but otherwise it is

gusty turret
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How does the writer of the lore say something is lore but its not canon?

tender wasp
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It is until WC adds something different

gusty turret
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"I'm by far the most junior of us, but the rest of my kind can do even less than I. They cannot touch minds or leave slivers of thought. They rely on flawed proxies to oversee the grand System they created, for they can no longer manage it themselves.

It is not that they are weak, not at all. It is their power that nurtures the seeds that orbit our home, each one drawing strength from a member of our number. Yes, power they have, but nothing to guide it. Their identity, their sense of self, has decayed and crumbled."

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Is that canon enough for you?

rigid palm
gusty turret
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One who waits #10

fallow sapphire
tender wasp
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The writer will not say anymore on it cause he is not with WC anymore and if you will ask him now he might tell you what his ideas were at that time but the new writer might have changed some by now.

bold dove
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Which would make anything he says post Extinction just his idea of the lore. But still not 100% canon. 👀

tender wasp
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It is atm as long as the new writer or WC does not make it obsolete

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And dav actually showed the homo deus thing is canon regarding to the note and even stuff that now is canon in notes might not be anymore in ark 2 when WC decides to change it

gusty turret
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I doubt they'll fuck with island-Earth lore unless it's absolutely necessary for the animated series

tender wasp
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I hope so too but you never know.

hollow jackal
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I think this is from the wrong game

lyric tendon
gusty turret
bronze turtle
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I ran out of toilet paper

fallow sapphire
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Oof

sour fog
gusty turret
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It's there i can vouch

merry cipher
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actually in the deleted rockwell island note, it's just a blank page and dead in the corner in perfect arial font it says "i ran out of toilet paper"

checkmate

bronze mica
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Lol

tender wasp
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lol

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Actually the true reason why Helenas journal is scattered around the Island. Rockwell ripped out to much pages cause he had no toilet paper 😉

hollow jackal
lyric tendon
lyric tendon
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unpopular opinion: Fjordur will NOT gonna be the next official free map

if it were gonna be an official map, WC will trim every content that the mod map has including custom modded-creatures and sub-maps

gusty turret
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I thought that was just the common sense opinion

merry grove
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is there a website or book with the whole lore of ark?