lore-nerdz

[orchid cedar]

Ya
She's the one who leaves the explorer notes right?

[north bear]

Yes

She became friend with Mei yin and Rockwell

Mei yin is a Chinese warrior

And Rockwell a 19 century scientist

Another character is Nerva

[orchid cedar]

Wait so how are they in completely different time periods and still interacting?

[north bear]

They cloned people from all of history

[orchid cedar]

Oh ok

[north bear]

Nerva the boss of the iron tribe was an spartan

[orchid cedar]

Ok

[north bear]

He was the enemies of Mei yin

[bold dove]

Iron Tribe?
You mean the New Legion?

[north bear]

Maybe

[bold dove]

Iron Brotherhood is a different tribe

[north bear]

My bad

[bold dove]

Iron Brotherhood are the ones heleped Helena with artifact collecting, and that she (accidently) sent to most of their deaths, by teleporting into the Broodmother arena.

[north bear]

Yeah

[orchid cedar]

Lol

[north bear]

Rockwell once he first got his hand on his element became obsessed with it (he called it edmundium

To get more he sent a lot of the New legion to their death against the dragon

[orchid cedar]

Ya that becomes apparent in aberration correct?

[orchid cedar]

Ok

[north bear]

Well how do you think he became a monster

[orchid cedar]

Lmao

[north bear]

So after that Nerva tries to kill Mei yin

[orchid cedar]

Fun

[north bear]

Mei yin was able to escape but lost her tame

[bold dove]

Island has the earliest odd-out crashout. With him unreasonably assuming the worse in Helena when he finds out she's been with Mei-Yin. (that he has heard nothing but bad about)
Same friend by the way of likely years.
Second biggest instance I would say, is on Scorched when he poisons an entire tribe to sneak away with some Element.

Then he becomes fully insane by the time of Aberration.

[orchid cedar]

Wow

Didn't know scorched earth was that big of a turn

[north bear]

So after all that Rockwell decided to sent the New legion to their death against tek cave

[bold dove]

Scorched is actually really important in the narrative.
Too bad it isn't as a map with content.

[orchid cedar]

I thought Rockwell was just beginning to look at element by then

[north bear]

True

[orchid cedar]

I loved it until I found out every other map does something better than it

[north bear]

The new legion died after killing the overseer

Only Nerva and Rockwell was alive

[orchid cedar]

So how do we fight the overseer if they killed it?

[north bear]

They can create them again

[orchid cedar]

Oh ok

[north bear]

I think

[bold dove]

Yeah.
He gets enslaved by a tribe, only to then gain their trust and become (somewhat?) a member of their tribe. Being allowed to help with childbirth of the tribe leaders wife.
Only to poison them all, and sneak away with some Element.

[orchid cedar]

Jessus

[bold dove]

Assuming the poison worked, and there was no survivors. That means Rockwell either poisoned an infant.
Or left no one to care for said infant, to likely starve.

[north bear]

Helen and Mei yin followed them

Helena ascended to scorched earth

[orchid cedar]

Wow
So Rockwell was an ass even before the whole (monster) thing

[orchid cedar]

Ok

[orchid cedar]

What happened to mei yin

[north bear]

And Mei yin killed Nerva then ascended to aberration

[orchid cedar]

Oh ok

[north bear]

Rockwell and Helena goes to a tribe

That get attack by wyvern

They get saved by an old lady that rides a wyvern

[bold dove]

Yerp.
He boasts about being a gentleman and a scholar of knowledge.
Yet this was all before he arguably actually got "influenced" by Element. This is all just pure obsession.
I may be wrong. But if I recall, Element really can't influence too much when it's in a solid state in Tek.
Wasn't till Aberration with liquid Element, where he was directly influneced by Element with voices in his head.

[north bear]

This ark overseer would send wyvern to tribe that where chilling

[orchid cedar]

How TF did he tane a wyvern when I can't get a wyvern for the life of me

[bold dove]

Oh, yeah Nosti.

So Nosti was destroyed because it was literally too good at surviving.

[north bear]

Which killed someone the old lady loves

After that she stole a wyvern egg

She had for plan to kill it but she ended up adopting it

[bold dove]

Less survival means no stress. And no stress means no adapting.
ARK's primary objective is to preserve the information of life.
Their secondary objective is to eventually reseed Earth, when the protocol comes.
With their third objective being to evolve and adapt the life on them. (if I recall.)

[north bear]

Also I think there was a Santiago clone that was there

[bold dove]

Santiago was first mentioned on Ab

[north bear]

Well I have a bad memory I guess

[bold dove]

Believe you may be thinking of Bob in TAS being teased for Scorched.

[north bear]

So any way the old lady became a legend by saving tribe from wyvern attack

[orchid cedar]

I will only find the ending to all of this worthy if a dodo does something that changes everything on complete accident

Jk

[orchid cedar]

Wow

[north bear]

So Helena and Rockwell end up going to the tek cave and ascend to aberration

[bold dove]

Fun fact, it was Rockwell's obsession that got them to that ARK

[orchid cedar]

Didn't know there was a two cave

[north bear]

While this was happening Mei yin was in the ab ark

[orchid cedar]

Is it accessible in game?

[bold dove]

As he saw a terminal in the Scorched Hall of History that cycled through different ARK's, and saw one with nothing but flowing liquid Element.

[north bear]

Nope

[bold dove]

No.
Because Scorched is the forgotton child of the expansions.

[orchid cedar]

😂

[bold dove]

They added a half-ass non-canon ascension via the Manticore.

[north bear]

So Mei yin tamed an rock drake by knocking it

Then she join the tek tribe

[compact zenith]

Yea, but she tamed it by using her aura farming

[north bear]

In the tek cave we meet 2 new character

[orchid cedar]

Jesus Christ she defied the laws of ark to tame that rock drake

[orchid cedar]

Mhmm

[north bear]

Santiago and Diana

[compact zenith]

It could be 98% adolescent, canon anyways

[orchid cedar]

Ok

[north bear]

Btw Santiago is the guy who made Hiroshima 2.0

[orchid cedar]

I like the idea that she was just that badass to tame an adult one by knocking it out

[north bear]

And in this ark he made Hiroshima 2.0 2.0

[orchid cedar]

Fun

[orchid cedar]

Even better

[compact zenith]

I prefer taming rock drakes passively, by dancing around it for 12 hours straight

[bold dove]

Santiago invented most Tek-weaponary back on Earth.

[north bear]

Basically aberration ark was kinda like the island

[orchid cedar]

So this guy is definitely going to be killed off before he gets to be useful

[north bear]

And the tek tribe decided to create an element bomb to kill the overseer

[compact zenith]

He was revived at ark, so he died, or was killed

[north bear]

It worked

Too well

[bold dove]

He's the Oppenheimer of the ARK universe, if Oppenheimer acted more like a shut-in asshat. And invented weapons that every trace of gunpowder has high traces of radiation.

[bold dove]

We actually do see what Ab looked like before it was blown

[north bear]

The bomb was so powerful it changed the ark

[compact zenith]

Abberation is kinda island, with more mountain landscape

[north bear]

Killed the overseer forever and made the day to hot

[bold dove]

In the prologue for Aberration, while Helena is talking. We see a small field with a mountain in the backgroumd, when she's describing how it used to look.
Which is basically the Island, but with the giant mushroom trees still existing.

[north bear]

Also it created the red zone

[orchid cedar]

And made everything collapse and hate the player

[north bear]

So everyone goes in the ab cave

[orchid cedar]

Huh
I'd like to see that as a non cannon map some day

[orchid cedar]

Ya that's VERY apparent

[compact zenith]

Can be a mod map at some point

[north bear]

Also there is a not important story about teenagers being killed

[bold dove]

They where more young adults, but yeah.

[compact zenith]

It was after Tek tribe got to extinction, right?

[orchid cedar]

Cough cough
We don't talk about that

[north bear]

So back to Helena and Rockwell

[orchid cedar]

Wait I thought extinction was earth post war

[bold dove]

Yeah, the Grad-Students where between Helena's time and ours.

[north bear]

And post element

[compact zenith]

Anyways, you got it right

[bold dove]

It's both post war and Element

[orchid cedar]

Oh ok

[north bear]

So Helena meet tek tribe and remet Mei yin

[bold dove]

Century long war (or shorter. Because Wildcard can't fucking stick with proper continuities anymore) that was between the URE and Terrran Federation. And it caused massive amounts of Element pollution, until it caused the Corruption. Which killed all natural life on Earth.

[north bear]

And with this Rockwell finally has lot of element in his hand

And he started expirmenting

[orchid cedar]

Ya I got that part earlier

[north bear]

Rockwell infused element in Dino

[orchid cedar]

Poor dodos

[bold dove]

Specifically a shinehorn.

[orchid cedar]

Even worse!!!!

[north bear]

Then after somethime he started on himself

[orchid cedar]

Why did you tell me that!!!

[compact zenith]

Gloon?

[orchid cedar]

That's evil

[bold dove]

The depection of the mutated shinehorn is fucking horrible.

[shell hearth]

Is there a way to get around the glitch on astreaos where it says the platform limit is capped?

[north bear]

Which transform him in a monster

[north bear]

Wrong chat

[orchid cedar]

😔

[compact zenith]

Go away from lore channel

[bold dove]

It becomes a skinny, boney deathclaw like thing that barely clings to life. Before being put down by the Tek Tribe.

[north bear]

Rockwell killed most of the tek tribe

[compact zenith]

Oh, so almost like malwyn?

[orchid cedar]

#doom guy gif#

[shell hearth]

Ok jerk

[north bear]

Luckily Helena,Mei yin and Diana were on a expedition

[bold dove]

Malwyn, if it couldn't get up and was in constant agony. And likely scared, because it probably still had the conscious of that shinehorn.

[orchid cedar]

You posted in the wrong channel idiot

[orchid cedar]

That's good

[orchid cedar]

I'm traumatized

[shell hearth]

Dont have to be rude

[north bear]

When they came and saw the murders

[orchid cedar]

Poor shinehorn

[bold dove]

Diana wasn't on the expedition when Rockwell mutated.

Santiago was with them instead

Diana stayed behind to take care of Rockwell, because she was worried about his health and mental state.

[orchid cedar]

I bet he was fine

All normal

[bold dove]

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell

I'll allow Dragon to explain it

[north bear]

So Mei yin fought rock well 1v1 and won

[orchid cedar]

Peak

[bold dove]

Oh, they skipped a bit.

[north bear]

Which made Rockwell fall deeper in the ark

[orchid cedar]

I Bet he was fine

[north bear]

And the ark without overseer took him and made him the overseer’s

[bold dove]

Mei-Yin, Helena, and Santiago came back to the Tek Village with it slaughtered by Rockwell, as now he's a mutated monster. And Mei-Yin held the bleeding out Diana in her arms before Diana dies.
Should be noted that they where in a relationship during this.

[orchid cedar]

Jesus

[north bear]

Basically everyone got to earth

[bold dove]

Except Diana.

[orchid cedar]

It was probably just a little accident by Rockwell
He would never hurt a fly

[bold dove]

Nerva would never enslave people.

[north bear]

On earth the corruption created titans

[orchid cedar]

Do we know what creatures got corrupted to become titans?

[bold dove]

None

Titans are physical manifestations of the Corruption.

They 'ARE' the Corruption.

[compact zenith]

Titans are kinda made from element fully, controlled by hive mind

[north bear]

The earth of it was the king titan

[orchid cedar]

Oh

[north bear]

He had 3 general

[shell hearth]

Wow you guys are dorks

[orchid cedar]

Bro get out of this channel

Stfu

[bold dove]

Yeah, the King Titan was the largest, and so had the largest concertation of the Corruption. Making it the closest to a right-hand man the Element hivemind has.

[north bear]

The eldest was The forest titan the king of the forest who is the forest as long as the forest lives he lives

[orchid cedar]

Wow

[bold dove]

Should be noted that Titans still have independent personalities. As the King Titan, is unironically, a fucking coward when it gets into a real fight.

[orchid cedar]

And it only gives 500 element when defeated

[bold dove]

Fucker gets sliced once by a huge ass mek, and panics dips out of the fight.

[north bear]

The middle sibling the ice titan was the lord of the snow

[compact zenith]

You wanted 50k corrupted nodules?

[north bear]

The youngest the desert titan the lord of the sky

[bold dove]

AKA the most useless one

[orchid cedar]

So let's just commit mass deforestation

[north bear]

Well you would make your hearth a coward to survive

There was other thousand of tinier titans

That where all around the world

[orchid cedar]

My pump shotgun says those don't exist anymore

[bold dove]

Not really a heart of Corruption.
The KT is suppose to be more of the warrior of it. Acting as it's only physical means to claim the hiveminds domain over Earth.
So no, I wouldn't want it to be a coward if it meant the threats would just get stronger if my warrior ran away.

[bold dove]

Lack of development also says that.

[north bear]

Santiago on earth created meks

[bold dove]

(it's a joke, because Lesser Titans only exist in the notes.)

[north bear]

And then created the mega mek

[orchid cedar]

The things I always mean to use but always just ignoring

[north bear]

This mega mek was different compared to ours

[orchid cedar]

It was even more expensive!!!

[north bear]

This one was a 4? Person mek

[bold dove]

Yeah.
It was from Pacific Rim

[north bear]

The driver were every one from ab and a young guy

[orchid cedar]

*Everyone left form ab

[compact zenith]

Imagine to not be able to beat king titan cuz you playing singleplayer

[orchid cedar]

Lol

[north bear]

But the titans attacked them

Killed everyone

[orchid cedar]

How fun

[north bear]

Only Mei yin and Helena was left

[bold dove]

The End

[orchid cedar]

Until bob comes!!!!

And slays everything by himself

[compact zenith]

No, he coming after gen 2

[orchid cedar]

I'm joking

[north bear]

Mei yin took Helena to the humodeus chamber in the forest titan cave

[bold dove]

He may appear in Genesis ASA

[orchid cedar]

No he'll appear in avengers doomsday

[compact zenith]

Yea, but technically no

[north bear]

Mei yin was able to put Helena in the chamber before getting attacked

[bold dove]

Next expansion pass is called Bob's "True" Tales.
So while he bullshitted his stories about being on the ARK's with Helena. He might've actually been awake during the events of Genesis

[north bear]

Luckily Helena humodeus save Mei yin

[compact zenith]

We will see

[orchid cedar]

Wait bobs tall tales is cannon!!

[north bear]

So now what is a humodeus

The humodeus are human fuses with element

Which creats gods

That was a weapon use in the element war

Also overseer are humodeus I think

Helena became the humodeus we see at the start:the one who waits

[bold dove]

You kind of skipped a part.
Mei Yin puts a wounded Helena in a pod, because Helena put a mysterious implant in her...implant, and now she's been hearing voices in her head.
She tells Mei to find this pod and put her in it. And as she does, while Helena is in a coma-like state. She Thanos-snaps in the pod and evaporates.
Turns out that pod was the last working device on the entire planet to convert humans into a Homo-Deus, and the voices where other Homo-Deus's trying to get her to ascend with them.

Oh, and the pod runs out of energy and turns off permanently after Helena uses it.
Meaning the last known gateway to become a Homo-Deus, and likely the research for it. Is now gone forever.

[bold dove]

That's not what they are

[north bear]

If only it worked we could have used it

[north bear]

My bad

[orchid cedar]

All of this could've been avoided if Rockwell wasn't a drug addict

[north bear]

The one who waits create our race

[compact zenith]

He got second personality

[north bear]

The ones who tries again

Basically immortal survivors

And we are one of them

And then the event of the game happens

We ascend on island and scorched

[bold dove]

A homo-deus is a human that has been converted to nothing but energy. No mass or such. Basically, by all means, a ghost.
While they seem god-like. They actually have no control over the physical world as it is.
They can see all, but can't be all.
The ARK's though where made with an Overseer shell in mind, so a Homo-Deus can go into it, and have a physical form for a bit.

[north bear]

Kill Rockwell

[orchid cedar]

So taking 2 weeks to tame a tuthotuthis for no reason is cannon

Peak

[north bear]

And come back to earth

[bold dove]

Ye

[bold dove]

And eating your own shit is canon.

[north bear]

Also the time you jumped of a hill and died

[north bear]

And died doing it

[compact zenith]

At least not raise it for a few years from baby

[north bear]

Then we come back to earth

And kill the titan

[orchid cedar]

Easy peasy

[north bear]

Then kill the king

After that the ark comes down

And destroy earth element

[compact zenith]

And send element back to space

But aberration

[north bear]

And that is the story of ark (the 4 first map)

[orchid cedar]

And after all of this sick lore of these maps my favorite map is still valguero

[north bear]

So now to Genesis

After the reseeding protocol

[orchid cedar]

Oh yah I forgot about genisus

[north bear]

Helena create hlna

[orchid cedar]

Tf you mean no

[compact zenith]

Tbh story needed to end at extinction, or go to arat prime, not some space ship

[bold dove]

Oh, not sure if you explained it.
But the Reseed Protocol was suppose to be automatic.
After the Corruption dies off naturally, the ARK's would detect this and come down.
Buuuuuut, turns out the URE miscalculated. And Element just doesn't die off. At all.
It can grow forever, and last forever. So the ARK's stayed in orbit for centuries longer then expected, and degraded and became WAY more hostile then they where intended to be.
That's why we have to go down manually on Ext, and activate the Reseed Protocol manually.

[orchid cedar]

Lol

[north bear]

So the Genesis ship put clone? Into a simulation (gen 1)

But the ship was controlled by Rockwell

[bold dove]

An ARK likely was a lot more like paradise, and with more modern-ish like ecosystem hazards. (raptors being maybe the closest to an apex on an ARK.)
But with Corruption getting stronger, the ARK's standards increase. Making them more hostile.

[orchid cedar]

I think I'm actually good on the genisus lore
I read about it a while back

Thx a ton though

[compact zenith]

Rockwell was sended to it by Darius aka Lost king

[orchid cedar]

Yet another game lore to store up more of my brain capacity

[north bear]

Ok

[tame marsh]

Is it weird if I want Nerva to come back?

Just cause it would be cool to see him change after what happened on the island

[tame marsh]

Or would he go mad and just become a lunatic?

[night quartz]

We need Perva

Who is basically Nerva but yknow

[north bear]

No we need Penva

(Pencil Nerva)

[bold dove]

Think most of the ARK-1 characters should had been left behind, and ARK-2 should've focused on a new cast.

[lean fog]

inb4 ark 2 has character that's rockwells daughter and all her WTF of what her father did/became

[desert tide]

i read some lore and i feel really bad for helena. she just dissapears/???

also what maps does one play and in what order to get the story line

im gonna cope by saying all homo deus are prime souls

[lean fog]

they're basically transcening out reality and are higher dimeon being s or something yeah and dun worry she gets better also timeline wise order would be island>scorched>aberration>extinction

[desert tide]

so not dead?

[lean fog]

LC technically takes place after gen 2 apparently but yeah LC setting up to bridge ark 1 and ark 2 so 🤷

[lean fog]

not dead just not around ish

let's just say they see time differently and time feels longer to them

[desert tide]

time is LONGER? sounds painful

[lean fog]

"Being able to see the entire universe behind what Helena describes to be a pane of glass.
Overall, their ability to see so much at the same time helped those who built the ARKs.
Have power that tends to the ARKs in which all of them share to balance all of them.
Can interact with the physical world by touching survivor's minds and making things to help them. Helena leading Diana Altaras to Mei Yin and making HLN-A are perfect examples.
Have the ability to be present in many places at once, seeing millions upon millions of things at once with the highest detail possible"

[lean fog]

"Helena noted that she doesn't know how much time has passed ever since she has ascended. Where a typical person lives a day, her ability to see and experience entire time streams (i.e. the beginning to the end of the universe) as singular moments may have allowed Helena's human mind to live millions of millennia in a single day. This is likely what causes the Homo Deus to lose their sanity, as maintaining a singular persona within non-finite experience requires great effort and energy."

[desert tide]

lost sanity??? are they okay???

[lean fog]

i think maybe they can fade away and whatnot? yeah it's gonna oof since thing saw mentions they endangered

so maybe the can die but just end up fading away into energy and ceasing to exist

bbl gotta record games with bro

[desert tide]

okay thanks

[mortal zodiac]

Are the cutscenes on LC boss any different between difficulties? We did gamma yesterday and im wondering if we should watch the cutscenes when we go fight the alpha boss

[raven helm]

hallo

[lean fog]

might be easier to watch on lower difficulty or so that way can skip em on alpha and hopefully get through ascencion etc quicker and maybe safer

just me tbh tho i skipped right to alpha so 😅

[mortal zodiac]

Not the question i asked, i was asking if the cutscene stays the same for all difficulties

[lean fog]

i know and don't see too much difference tbh

[mortal zodiac]

Alright, well just skip them for alpha then

[gloomy trout]

no

[tame marsh]

True. Msybe some mentions but not apart of the main story like they are now?

[desert tide]

i think they should stay, I personally like it when they follow one set of characters since you already know them well

[compact zenith]

Nerva comeback as a fighting style teacher will be tuff

[compact zenith]

no, they all same, you can watch them in notes menu at any time

[desert tide]

are the only canon ark maps island, SE, abberation, and extinction?

[compact zenith]

both genesis also

[desert tide]

where do they fit into that

[compact zenith]

after extintion

[desert tide]

but helena skips them?

[compact zenith]

what you mean?

[desert tide]

doesnt helena ascend right after extinction?

[compact zenith]

helena became homo deus way before we beat king titan

[desert tide]

damn this stuff is confusing

does helena create the genisis maps? thats what google is saying anyway

[compact zenith]

bruh

[desert tide]

im sorry! im stupid

[compact zenith]

genesis ship was launched before player storyline going, if i remember correctly, somewhere at same time as ARKs were created

[desert tide]

ok

[compact zenith]

and by the story telling lost colony for player is going AFTER genesis ship was destroyed

[north bear]

It’s 1000 years later

[north bear]

1000 years before

[compact zenith]

ty for both, was lazy to remember

[north bear]

It is written in the pin message

Last one

[compact zenith]

ooh ok

[bold dove]

Ah yes, and make the world feel small and keep ruining the character arc's of the original cast.
Tell me one long running IP that takes its story seriously that has the same cast of characters from its inception, that hasn't suffered.

[desert tide]

i dunno but why start from scratch and not keep the characters we know well.

[bold dove]

Because most of their arc's are finished.
That's basic writing 101.
If you've finished a character's entire arc. They then serve no purpose to the narrative, and so should be retired one way or another.
Santiago got his retirement by dying and paying for his sins.
Diana and Mei's arc was about finding love and meaning again, and they both find each other again at the end of Extinction.
Helena is the only one that barely had an arc, up until Extinction. So she's acceptable to keep for ARK-2's plot, as long as she has a proper from-start-to-finish arc.

[desert tide]

honestly yeah i do understand now, and do "agree?" that helena should stay

[desert tide]

is ark ascended just ark evolveds story but with better graphics?- as in is it worth playing evolved before playing ascended?

[desert tide]

another question-yeah i know i have a lot but when a new creature is added and it comes with a dossier is it just assumed and inserted into the story line that helena wrote about it?

[vital plume]

I'm actually curious if the whole animation in Lost Colony is lore accurate since that one scene of them using the tek suit boost as lights would be an interesting feat for the suit.

Other than the suit being able to close off a wound like your arm being ripped of.

[lean fog]

not really

the suit she uses and shows other using is the federation tek suit which the one they supposedly actually used and same we use was the ure one

[lyric tendon]

Less "URE" more "Homebrew Tek Suit" since we will never know what the URE suit looked like before the ARKs and the one we have in AB is a recreation or guess work since it's a "stolen blueprint plus enhancements"

[desert tide]

do we know how helena and the other people ended up on the island?- im stupid they get cloned with memories or something

[hollow creek]

yup, they all just clones

[sacred sluice]

CDFGG

[vital plume]

Could just be a redcon like a lot of the lore for this map

[desert tide]

mhm

thanks for all the info guys because i know barely anything about this stuff

[lean fog]

problem is they stated the animated series isn't canon and just silly alt telling of island but then now trying to make it canon and just shoehorn in stuff cause they gotta keep ark 2 connection somehow

[vital plume]

The problem is they never said it's apart and the storyline of the animated series and it is literally being put into the game too the story beats of the animated series

[hard ingot]

Yeah, this is what lost me on the lore.

[vital plume]

For lost colony

[lean fog]

pretty they have and said it's not a 1:1 thing

[vital plume]

Also if that animated cutscene isn't cannon then there is litterally nothing in the lore why Mei Yin is the lost queen :\

[lean fog]

thing is they're trying to fit in this love square involving helena mei yin dianace and santiago etc

[lean fog]

uh iu never said anything about animated making it non canon

talking about the series not the LC animation

plus what happened to diana and tomb of ascencion all changed

mei yin never had feelings for helena in story before and while she was a dear friend she was also "a weirdo who'd go through dino poop for stuff"

[vital plume]

I've been talking about only LC. The ANIMATED Cut scene.

[lean fog]

whelp either way they apparently decided to not have diano be in those

[hard ingot]

I just wish they didn't insert Animated Rockwell

[lean fog]

which means her and mei yin leave for arat and diana just apparently dies part way

[vital plume]

I was talking about the Tek suit being used how it was during that cut scene is it cannon.

[hard ingot]

into LC lore

[lean fog]

the tek suit wasn't canon tho

[vital plume]

now with the part of them being lights attacking each other.

[vital plume]

Also Mei had a fed suit on after that cut scene....

[lean fog]

see the survivors basically made their own add hoc version of ure and them having federation makes not much sense

[lean fog]

actually there can be a lore reason why rockwell looked like he did during that fight

[vital plume]

I already know why its meant to be the one Mei and Helena fights not the player

[lean fog]

maybe they thought they beat him but he eventually reformed and became the version we fought ingame

[hard ingot]

What fight are you talking about? Gen 2 or Aberration

[lean fog]

the aberration fight etc

[vital plume]

Its mean to be the one in the Helena Aberration note

[lean fog]

the look of rockwell in aberration and one in the cutscene could just be treated as either rockwell changed after reforming or just treat it like animes where the artstyle is not canon but the fight itself is

like as an exmaple would be konata from lucky star who looks young cause of art style is is 18

[hard ingot]

I just don't like how they fundamentally changed his character from a pretty nice, albiet a little egotistical scientist to whatever he is in the animated series

I didn't notice the animated design though, that is weird

[lean fog]

yeah the thing is rockwell was always unhinged

[hard ingot]

but could be explained by being an earlier version than we fight

[lean fog]

the dude outright is bummed he can't do his experiments on actual people

now him being outright open about it is different

[hard ingot]

True, but he also refused to do tests on people unwilling to up until a certain point after he found the artifact

[lean fog]

but like said the animated series isn't canon it's an alternate telling of stuff

meant more to be a "oh hey this stuff cool wonder if game cool too" tbh

[hard ingot]

Yeah I just wish they had kept it like that instead of inserting it into LC

[lean fog]

i mean if they they wanted to add in stuff form TAS to game they coulda done small stuff here and there like the gladiatrix and other characters not mentioned in game or only offhandedly once and use that to expand on their characters

[hard ingot]

yeah

It was just so annoying to see the lost colony notes on rockwell say it was always his goal to bring his kid back even though he says on one of his first Island notes how he had everything he wanted

Like, they could have at least put some of his personality in and just leave his daughter out because that recons the earlier lore

I care way to much about this character lol 🤣

[lean fog]

no see the rockwell wanted his kid back could actually work if it's the element affecting him and making him have false memories about a kid he never had

[hard ingot]

That's true, didn't think of it like that

[desert tide]

so i know they added a skill tree, is that like part of the lore?

i know you can transform into a cat? is the tree just for gameplay or actually a thing

[lean fog]

prob just gameplay thing but could be lore based if want

like the element is altering you and just making you stronger and all that or since character has the homo deus record thing maybe you're just slowly unlocking more power then human self had?

[vital plume]

I think it is lore based being infected with Red Element being the reason why

[desert tide]

ok, well i will keep assuming the transform into a cat is gameplay only

[lean fog]

i mean you could also say it's magic

cause at certain point advanced teck is indisguishable from magic 😅

[compact zenith]

Everything magic if you not learn physics

But yea, feline form is kinda random shit

[vital plume]

Nah it's space magic that's the real description trust

[desert tide]

It goes extinction-lc-gen 1 anx 2? But theres a 1k year gap? Do they say why it takes 1k years and if you are a clone of the "original" survivor or a new one completely

[lean fog]

she literally says it's been 1k years since you talked so same as ext

also LC is after gen 2 timeline wise at least non flashback ingame anyway

[compact zenith]

lc lore wise going after extintion, game wise LC after gen 2

[desert tide]

Ok

[hollow creek]

-1000 Helena and the explorer note story from legacy maps
0 is legacy maps
Between these 2 is Rockwell notes and talk with Darius on LC
37 is genesis
1037 is lc

0 is Reseed Protocol

[lean fog]

ngl i find genesis happening concurrently with ext or just after kinda bad

means santiago and co live long time which seems ridiculous

tho we don't know when they got revived tbh since ark 2 teaser happened at random time after original launch of stuff

so for all 3 know long after eden ring settled into orbit there was issue and thus respawn and dropshipped everyone tho given the chaos doubtful that that happened

[hollow creek]

Yeah, having genesis so close breaks what could more or less work

[hollow creek]

Yeah, we don't know when the ark2 teaser is
But we see Santiago being a awakened at the end of Gen2 when the ship is falling

[lean fog]

i got a theory on that

what if not all the survivors on dropship woke up from the start? what if it was like that old transformers beast wars show and the shuttles or whatever landed down and occasionally would reactivate and release the surivors?

[hollow creek]

Could explain all the others, but Santiago would still be "immortal", vin diesel comes and says
"Not even time can stop FAMILY"

Spawns in a BTT car and drives off

[lean fog]

bro for all we know that could be retconned as "artistic interpretation" knowing devs

but yeah only way for scene to make sense would be for it to not be around ext in timeline

[hollow creek]

Yeah, they gonna pull a bs recton on us

[lean fog]

now if they wanna say it's been like a couple years between gen 2 and LC in timeline fine same if they add new canon to vague unknowns from ase but contradictions etc should be avoided

[hollow creek]

All this would be fine if the pin messaged from dollie didn't put gen and ext close

In ASE it was vague enough that they could have put gen near LC

No problem

[lean fog]

her message could also just be referring to the original ase timeline which could be retconned in asa

which if they wanna put genesis 1/2 around 1k years after ext etc is fine with me since gives rockwell time to have fully subsumed one of the rings

[main mural]

all you have to do is put the delay between. genesis colony ship exploding and santiago waking up lol.

its not that hard

[lean fog]

that's what i'm saying tbh

[main mural]

obviously the ASE cutscene isn't accurate anymore. we knew that already.

[lean fog]

like i said "Artistic interpretation" 😅

had a thought too

honestly wonder if people can age normally or they're kept in whatever state revived in

[main mural]

don't think anybody lived long enough lol. and the ascensions would probably mess with things. since it rebuilds the body.

I imagine the colony ship would do ageing people tho. its not testing people like the arks.

[lean fog]

if they want to say that scene is canon and he and others got revived right after gen 2 fine but then that better only be few years before we get revived in LC etc

[main mural]

they are probably gonna change it. there was 0 timeline details in ASE.
genesis both happened after and before ext/aberration lol

now that they are doing a timeline they'll actually think about that.

[lean fog]

i just wish LC happened before gen 1 etc tbh

like maybe we get revived now cause took 1k years for helena to pull herself together since meeka did say she heard helena in her dreams

[main mural]

thats what everybody thought.
it'd probably be another rockwell boss tho 😂

[hollow creek]

I might be forgetting, but what put gen before ext and ab in ASE?

[main mural]

maybe its for the best

[lean fog]

nah nah i say look at the roadmap thing

[main mural]

think it was the dialogue said or something. I don't remember genesis lol. I know there were debates on it.

[lean fog]

legacy of santiago mentions we gotta deal with some issue before ark 2 so my guess is meeka and bob plant codex or something and wake whatever that thing helena says is dormant in remainds of the ship

so while we're doing pirate rp stuff on gen 1 and star wars rp in gen 2 we should get flashforwards of what bob and meeka doing

[main mural]

thats usually how the bobs work.

bob true tales will be presumeably true stories

[lean fog]

yeah that's why i feel like the notes etc will be snippets of their adventure

[lean fog]

imagine being the genesis survivor and you basically have all fun with tides of fortune stuff and galaxy wars only to lose them and whatnot

wonder how they gonna handle the gen survivor and one who tries again tbh tho for all we know they might just not be mentioned in ark 2 at all

[main mural]

imagine being the genesis survivor being alone on arat prime since its 1000 years until ark 2 😂

or you know, cryo sleep or something. that probably exists here

[lean fog]

better idea

genesis survivor and one who tries again have a kid and bam ark 2 protagonist

[main mural]

that kid having to wait 1k years

they could also be the same person. I don't think we know yet.

[lean fog]

even if they same person would be weird tbh but yeah we'll find out soon enough

[main mural]

helena doesn't mention it in the LC intro but that could just be because its more about earth impossible to know prior to genesis

also could just be for game reasons as genesis hasn't released yet lol

[lean fog]

yeah

like if they want us to go from arat prime and we end up on colony ship in gen 1 fine with me

being able to talk to someone in past seems pretty tame if can see past and future of universe timelines so 🤷

[desert tide]

So uh im gonna make a google doc or somethin about all the lore in the game and i know i been asking way to many questions so if yall dont want me to ask here tell me

[desert tide]

I like to think that the gen survivor is a clone of the one who tries again, and stays the player in ark 2

[lean fog]

maybe but who knows but would still wonder how they could handle the they same person thing unless they say that when the LK jumped you everything got disabled and had to start anew

[vital plume]

I love that the next map is gen 1 so it makes no sense for how they released these maps now since the Skill tree.....

It would've made more sense to release gen 1 and 2 before LC for if they cared about the story they wanted to go for

[lean fog]

maybe but it is what it is

all we can do is hope they put gen 1 etc at decent spot in timeline

[sharp lantern]

Will be broken af

[heavy raptor]

Ark ASA is new compare to ASE

[strong heart]

Legacy implies the story of santiago, so I guess they will go into detail of ark pre-element .

[bold dove]

Santiago wasn't born pre-Element

It's also the ARK-2 icon.
It's likely set between Gen2 and ARK-2.

[lean fog]

still say meeka and bob wake up whatever the hibernation monster is and that's what we fight in LoS but who knows

[hard ingot]

Hibernation monster = Rockwell

[lean fog]

theory i got is the element had stuff going on so if rockwell died it could sever him from hivemind to avoid crippling of the element hivemind and that's why he was so normal at gen 2 end and element has a new host/lynchpin in hibernation

[white kayak]

hi guys
so basically i beat extinction a month ago and i tried genesis 1 but it felt weird because "we already saved the earth"
i looked into it and apparently extinction was saving the eart and now its about people and saving them
is that the viewpoint change i need to feel the genesis lore? instead of it feeling out of place

[lean fog]

anything that happens in extinction and lost colony kinda end of the story for your character who saved all the arks/earth

genesis is gonna be you making sure it's boss doesn't corrupt another world like element did to earth

[white kayak]

hmm okay ty

[desert tide]

Just me hope helena keeps guiding you thru the rest of ark? And maybe finds a way to return to human form and see the affects of what she helped do in reseeding earth?

sorry for bad format, i was on phone-if any lore reasons this may or may NOT work letting me know would be great thanks!

[desert tide]

I did see that she watches the reseed protocol, i meant that she could see what earth looks like way after when its done/almost done regrowing

[lean fog]

she saw that would be like during reseed itself plus as home deus or so she'd know alot about universe etc so 🤷

[desert tide]

i guess, but i feel seeing it in person is a lot better than as a god or whatever

also your pfp is actually beautiful i cant stop thinking about and i dont know why

[lean fog]

true and thanks buddy of mine made it and tis adorable

[scenic latch]

Hello is there a single place i can go to learn all of the lore ?

[desert tide]

Neddy the noodle has a video? And nanostel on LC

[hard ingot]

Problem is that Helena said at the end of LC that there was a "monster" in the codex that would awaken if they used it, and proceeded to say that it was Rockwell

sorry if that's spoilers

[lean fog]

well aware

am saying i doubt rockwell would make a copy of himself incase he lost on his own cause at that point dude was going full on god compelx etc

[bold dove]

Why wouldn't he? He's an egomaniac that has already been cloned twice now.
The LC clone 'was' likely from the original Rockwell, to preserve himself in a new body.

Rockwell would 100% clone himself if it meant immortality.

[lean fog]

but what if that's just what the element wants him to think

[bold dove]

Your message was about the doubts Rockwell cloning himself.
Yet, we've got an instance of him cloning himself.

[lean fog]

was it ever said he cloned that thing was was it just helena saying the explosion didn't fully kill him?

[bold dove]

The LC Rockwell is confirmed to be a clone.
And until slightly Genesis, Helena thought Rockwell died in the crash, as she states in Ab's epilogue.
So if she thought he died in the crash, I doubt she'd be the one to clone him.
Darius didn't know Rockwell, so he wouldn't care to.
So that would leave Ab Rockwell making a new clone before the ARK made impact on the Earth, or somehow Element did it. Which I doubt.

[lean fog]

i mean of the gen ship exploding etc not ark crashing

[bold dove]

Oh, are you asking if it's ever mentioned if he made a clone of himself after the ships explodes, or if Helena is saying the explosion didn't actually kill him?

[lean fog]

yeah asking if we know if he either made copy and it put away or if he didn't die when get 2 ship exploded or something

i mean for all we know rockwell as person died while body didn't

[bold dove]

We don't know. But, unless they're retconning it, the Genesis ship crashed into the gas-giant Arat is orbiting, not Arat itself.
So that means a ring, or debris must've crashed into the planet that has the ships Codex.
So Rockwell's body should be both irradicated from an artificial stars explosion, and any remnants left are being crushed by the gravity of a failure of a Star.
So to me, with the fear of Rockwell coming back is at the Codex. The thing that 'creates' life. To me at least, that more seems like they're afraid accidently bringing Rockwell back via as a new clone.

Or they're retconning that, and making the ship crash into Arat, and having Rockwell still be a monsterous blob.

[lean fog]

well we know the core of ship made planet fall since they need to go to there to plant codex

ngl if they bring back rockwell i really hope it just as some monster in legacy of santiago and in ark 2 he stays dead

i mean heck for all we know rockwell as npc might be in that dlc and he hellps puts a stop to it once and for all

[bold dove]

That's kind of the only way I'll accept them bringing him back. Is less of Rockwell, and more of a mockery of him, using his corpse as a puppet.

But honestly, I'd rather if they just stopped bringing back Rockwell as a whole.

His character arc has been fucking finished twice now.
We do not need a third character arc for the same character.

[lean fog]

the corpse of rockwell prime coming back= ✅ rockwell himself? ❎

[bold dove]

It makes this universe feel so much smaller then it should be, with the same cast.

[main mural]

how do we have lore from post genesis outside of LC?

[bold dove]

What do you mean?

[main mural]

the colony ship just exploded, where did it say it crashed into the gas giant. oh, guess could be bobs too.

the part with rockwell anyway

[bold dove]

The obvious cutscene everyone glosses over.
Both in-game and in-editor, the ship is heading towards the Gas Giant in the end of Gen2, when Rockwell is giving is ending speech before he dies.

The planet both looks like, and internally is called "gas giant"

[main mural]

it kinda exploded first.

it could've been in orbit too. why would it just be going straight at it lol.

[bold dove]

Yeah, but it was closer to the gas giant then Arat.
And since the gas giant is larger. Most of the heavy debris would likely start heading to the gas giant, due to its gravitational pull.

[bold dove]

Don't know. But the animation shows it heading towards the gas giant. 🤷

[main mural]

if it was in orbit then it wouldn't. which is pretty likely for a smart colony ship that it is.

it was also pointed at arat it was between them.

it turned prior to exploded so the way its pointed doesn't really matter.

[bold dove]

I would go into the ASE devkit and show you, but Studio Siren, in their infinite wisdom. Made Gen2's persistent level crash every time you load into it, and they never fixed it.

[main mural]

also the size difference for arat behind the ship makes it way closer then the gas giant

it covers the entire screen in the exo-mek while the gas giant doesn't.

[main mural]

are they not just skyboxes? wouldn't say anything except the movement between you and the ship.

[bold dove]

I believe some of the Matinee is tied to the persistent level.
The planets and skybox are their own level I believe. But the animation and the genesis ship is (I think?) in the persistent level.

[main mural]

no idea on that. never looked around cutscenes.
but just going by the size in the FOV. you are way closer to arat then the gas giant.
arat being way bigger in your field of vision means the gas giant is multiple times further away.

[bold dove]

Also, for a reason why it was heading to the gas giant.
I can imagine that a small star exploding would be safer in the space between Arat and the gas giant, then it would be if the ship parked next to Arat, and then exploded.

[main mural]

I doubt anything would happen seeing how nothing happened to the exo-mek

[bold dove]

The ship was probably far away enough for just the shock wave.
....even though I don't believe shock waves can travel in space....

[main mural]

explosions are stuff shooting out. an explosion close enough even in a vacumm would have stuff still hit you.

[bold dove]

Yeah, but isn't a shock wave specifically moving the air density?

[main mural]

its moving anything.

seeing how its an element explosion could be waves of gravity lol. impossible to know with sci-fi

I think a big enough explosion would still cause light itself to do stuff 🤔 since even that does "push"
wouldn't do whats in the cutscene. but still would push outward.

thats less lore nerds more physics nerds tho lol

[main mural]

btw, gravity waves are real. usually when 2 massive things collide. I imagine there are other ways they can happen too.
it effecting the exo-mek would just be because its light enough. would basically do nothing on plants or to things with sufficient mass like the rest of the colony ship.

[scenic latch]

Thank you very much for the reply, i fell asleep shortly after asking, I appreciate it

[lean fog]

i doubt the ship got to the gas giant before exploded but coulda got close

only thing i know of is the eden ring was basically in orbit above arat

[granite stump]

If I recall going of lost colony’s lore, it crashed landed into the planet of Arat and its crash led to part of it being pushed close to the core of the planet. This is where presumably Rockwells last fragment is lying dormant (or something connected to Rockwell in some way)

[lean fog]

that's basically it iirc

question is how deep is the core cause regardless that massive amount of stuff landing should've devasted surface or arat

[lament plaza]

depends would've shrank from atmospheric entry burn up

[lean fog]

i dunno tek seems pretty durable for most part so think woulda been intact enough to make landfall

[tame marsh]

i like that they made the araneo rework a newly evolved species. i wonder if they'll do that for the rest of them

[bold dove]

My only wish, is that they changed the species name to show that they're different enough to be separate.

[desert tide]

Soooo uhhh is raia just dead?

Or is she just somewhere after the arks landed

[desert tide]

Also i am watching the survival stories by neddy and is there an extinction one like it?

[hollow creek]

No

[desert tide]

Ahhhhĥ

[hollow creek]

From the timeline, reseed protocol only happens 1000 years after Helena journey, raia is long dead

[desert tide]

Ok

[north bear]

The araneo had to because if the spider became op cave that have a ton of them would become harder

[north bear]

So I think they won’t do it to the giga and quetzal since they are really rare

[undone heath]

nerds

[hollow creek]

indeed, we all nerds

[north bear]

Bro this is literally lore-NERDZ

So of course we are nerds

Also this is the game that almost everyone who played it has 1000h

[undone heath]

yez i was just respecting the hustle

[undone heath]

ik can relate

i love ark

[north bear]

Ok

[tame marsh]

so more like a newly developed traits kinda thing or adaptations from such selectiveness due to the rarity of their species?

[north bear]

I was talking from a gaming perspective

[tame marsh]

i was talking from a biological perspective

[north bear]

Ok

[sinful echo]

ok

[vital plume]

I wonder if anyone could agree with me that Rockwell's notes on Lost Colony is Similar to chaos corruption from 40k from the hivemind whispering into his ear to the hum of the Edmunidum in note 4 etc.

[bold dove]

It's a common eldritch horror trope.

[vital plume]

The one who waits notes give me ideas it's pretty close with it talking about "it coxes them onward with song and warmth." With another saying "Not like him, he who thought down was up and descend a ladder into madness. I could see him in those depths, that twisted place where torment and euphoria are reversed." Those are both from two different notes from Extinction.

[bold dove]

Yeah, it's pretty Chaos-God like. But that's pretty common for eldritch horror tropes.

Believe there's a god in Lovecrafts universe that drives you to do horrible shit, because it gives you warmth and acceptance.

[vital plume]

I also think if the chaos gods saw the skill tree they would freak the hell out seeing their own abilities just being on a skill tree.

[bold dove]

Nah, Khorne would soyjack at shit like Warriors Rage.

[vital plume]

That or feel like he just had copyright infringement happened to him by a substance literally liaised in blood being red element

[vital plume]

Do you think being infected by Red element is what gave the survivor the skill tree because I think it was since the intro cutscene shows you being almost turned into a thrall and then right after with when you spawn in Helena says you were infected by Red element.

[bold dove]

Pretty clear that's the case, and why we can manually take over the mind of a thrall.
If you look at the center part of the skill tree, it's a red implant.

And I assume at the end, we're purged of it, as I doubt we'll still have those abilities in ARK-2.

[vital plume]

Ehh depends maybe not since Rockwell and Darius both said they would've been purged by the Reseed Protocol since they're but infected by element and the cutscene shows us being pulled away from the earth and not us dying.

[bold dove]

Because they're "fully" tainted by it. With most of their body at the end of their stories being nothing but Element. Especially Darius.
Element exposure is like radiation, and there's no goddamn way we don't have traces of it when we're constantly interacting with the thing.
It's just low enough now to be fatal.

[vital plume]

I think us being forcefully drinking Darius blood would cause us issues in being Tainted by it.

[bold dove]

Correct, because his blood would likely mostly be Element-based.

Also, we where literally next to the fucking Codex.

Even if it was lethal to remove it from us, we see the Codex could just quickly rebuild any problem with us.

As seen in the Mei-Yin fight with her abusing it

[vital plume]

Well that same fight also shows Red Element isn't negatively impacted by the Codex being used too.

Being infact the opposite effect in the boss fight healing her instead. I think raw element would have to be what purges the red element taint in the blood.

[lean fog]

the element isn't also being put into codex itself

[fathom pagoda]

Is the bob in animated series the same one in the bobs tall tales

[lean fog]

stuff in TAS isn't canon(least not supposed given stuff being shoehorned into LC) so doubt it

[lyric tendon]

BTT is the same canon as TAS tbh

Him knowing the main cast too well while being not mentioned at all in the OG notes is kinda off

Especially the next one will be "Bob's True Tales" which i fear is a pure shoehorn to the once good lore

[undone heath]

Bro I love ark so much

[main mural]

you know that bob in TAS died on the island right? lol.
stuff changed. bob is new thats why he isn't in anything. just like how none of the new dinos are in the lore. they probably didn't want to go randomly add bob's name around.

[lyric tendon]

he's dead... for now

if you forget the "part 2" teasers, he is pretty much gonna be alive (again)

[main mural]

I don't see him in them could be blind tho lol.
if you mean the credits, they don't usually change those mid season.

[mental basin]

Not even remotely

[sinful pendant]

The tlc araneo has lore relevance that's actually so coollll

[lean fog]

Gotta wonder something

If the dear jane notes means bobs was alive during island adventures just trying to stay out of the way of the conflict between nerva's tribe and others wonder how or if he ended up on other arks or if he just got resurrected on genesis ship at some point

[modest tapir]

so idk if there is a proper chronological order to play ASA? I don't have lost colony or Bob

and like what's the reasoning for aberration being so hot?

[vital plume]

From Rockwell note 8 from lost colony I want to know what people think about who he killed Charlotte or Diana or a little less likely the friendship between him and Helena.

[vital plume]

Since all 3 can fit in there.

[main mural]

island, scorched, aberration, extinction, genesis part 1, genesis part 2, finally lost colony. genesis isn't out yet tho.
bobs tall tales is bob talking to meeka (ark 2) about fake stories on SE-Ext.
bobs true tales (same as tall tales) will be on genesis which we can assume are true based on the true part but thats not out yet so specifics are unknown.

[main mural]

the ark is failing so the surface gets really hot when the sun is there. "the sun is a deadly laser" or something they kinda nuked the overseer on aberration so its not doing too good.

[modest tapir]

so is extinction also messed up or is something "fixed"

[main mural]

extinction is on earth.

island, scorched and aberration are arks. extinction is on earth (there are desert and snow proto-arks).
genesis part 1 is a simulation, while genesis part 2 is the genesis colony ship.
lost colony is also on earth but somewhere else and a long time in the future.

[lean fog]

still say the true talls is gonna be meeka and bob going on their adventure to put the codex into thing

[lean fog]

ok so santiago and his tek tribe made a nuke augmented it with element and literally nuked the overseer area

[modest tapir]

so what exactly is an ark?

[lean fog]

the shielding basically failed and literally as it was dying the overseer reconfigured everything to live underground hence no flyers

[lean fog]

survival training

[main mural]

bio-dome, they sit in space waiting to drop and repopulate the earth

[modest tapir]

ohh

[lean fog]

the idea is people would survive get stronger and then once reseed kicked in be good enough to take on whatever creatures are left on earth

the element didn't just fade away tho so yeah

[main mural]

less stuff still on earth since the element kinda killed everything. more just being able to survive anything.

the arks finished off any rement corruption so they only have to worry about the stuff coming from the arks.
not counting lost colony obviously

[lean fog]

alot of the errors etc are slowly growing like when you see dinos spawn mid are which is mainly gameplay thing but could be see as slight overseer coordinates error from overseer

[main mural]

Lol. love the titansaurs they always spawn in the air 😂

[lean fog]

but yeah if you ever seen the movie chronicles of riddick or seeh the scene of crematoria that's basically what the surface of aberration ark is

[main mural]

I have no idea what that is

[lean fog]

just goodle riddick crematoria and you should see picture of the planet burning

it's like that but alot tamer

cause crematoria burning death trap on one side and freezing in other and since planet rotating the safe zone a very small gap between just before sunrise etc

oh hey thing lists it's temps too

Crematoria were: -295ºF (-182ºC) on the night side and +702ºF (372ºC) on the day side so yeah even arks not as bad but you get idea of how bad ab ark is

[modest tapir]

reapers roam abberation surface right?

[lean fog]

same for nameless

[main mural]

reapers are on the surface and red zone

do nameless spawn them in blue zone lol. I don't remember.

[lean fog]

i've had em spawn in there

there and the gaps of tunnels just past the spores but before get up to cliff to go to surface near fertile lake anyway

[compact zenith]

For alpha you need surface, for queen you need red zone, also subterrain spawned by nameless but it useless, also elemental reaper spawned by Rockwell

[lyric tendon]

It feels off to have the new dossier overwrite the old one in the ARK GG wiki instead of preserving the ASE version with a tab

I would still love to see both the old and new versions in one page given the new one is meant to be "an new behavioral discovery" and ASE still uses the old one

[compact zenith]

Yea, it should be a 2 different variants, remove old is just removing history.

[hollow creek]

We have the old one in the gallery
https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/Araneo#Gallery
But I do agree, wish there was also preservation of the pre tlc dossier for the other creatures before.
Araneo and the ASA one are a different case
I kinda just out the dossier there half hardly
I think I'll ask if there can be a toggle in the dossier image like in other parts of the page

[lean fog]

make new version be rarer tho still common ish and play into the "new variant part of dossier"

[north bear]

They could make 10% of them be the new one

Which whould kinda act like an alpha araneo

[lean fog]

was thinking maybe 20-25% tho maybe more likely in the bigger caves while smaller can the 10% chance

[desert tide]

do yall think i could do something similar? i mean a good chunk of leather is like 20 bucks i saw on amazon, just screenshot all the animal dossiers plus explorer notes from helena, print and cut out, glue together and put into a leather thingy and cut it into journal shape?

i kinda wanna do that but with every important character from ark, with like more yellowy leather from scorched earth and darker tones for abberation or extinction?

i think the only hard part will be cutting out all the notes and making sure they print well on double sided papers

example-Found Helena's journal at a local video game shop : r/ARK

[desert tide]

ok i guess all i need is some money for leather and i might do it

[torpid zodiac]

Ill give 10 bucks to who ever can fix my ark dm mean for the info on it

[modest tapir]

so this is probably a stupid question scorched earth is an ark, did they just make one giant desert?

[fallow sapphire]

basically yeah

[modest tapir]

so why is extiniction how it is? what happened or what led to it?

[desert tide]

extinction is ON earth, its the element corruption. at least thats what ive learned

[modest tapir]

what exactly is element and like I knew it was on earth but like was it war? is that like the buildings are like that?

[bold dove]

Element is an alien metal/crystal from space, that's also alive

And yeah, to give a tl;dr.
After Element crashed on Earth timetime in like the 22nd-23rd century. Civilizations would use it as a means for technological growth and fuel.
URE (United Republics of Earth) and the Terran Federation started a massive war called the "Element wars" that lasted for a fuck load of time. (original lore kind of hints to centuries long. Newer lore suggests possibly a few decades)
They started this mostly out of differing ideologies.

[main mural]

humans find element, element do lots of stuff, humans want all element, war for element, element pollution turn evil, pollution kill humans, humans last effort make the arks in space and genesis colony ship, arks stay in orbit until pollution goes down, pollution never go down.

[bold dove]

Believe the cause of the war was from both how each nation handled their Element distribution with their public population, and of differing ideology on transhumanism and such.

[main mural]

that was part of it yeah. they wanted to have all element be used for their ideology

[bold dove]

Think Helena describes it as "two dogs fighting over scraps".
So likely there was too much Element being consumed, then it could regrow. So both sides handled their distribution differently, and both sides didn't like what the other did.

[main mural]

at least they put differences aside when the corruption came about 😂 humans irl wouldn't care.

[bold dove]

Multiple times in history, including both World War's, would say otherwise.

[main mural]

not really. they each had a winner.
they stopped fighting when they knew it was over.

the element war didn't end. a new threat popped up.

even nukes almost didn't stop ww2. it was the pleading of the emperor that did.

[bold dove]

And if I recall, that transhuman in Gen2 stated the URE was about to win, before they noticed Element started to act quirky.

[main mural]

that kinda agrees with my ww2 thing

there is a reason both ideology continued inside the arks and colony ship.

[modest tapir]

who controls the arks like weather and day/night like how does it work if we know?

[main mural]

the overseer controls everything the arks do

well except the respawn feature helena did.

[modest tapir]

so the overseer just randomly decides it's time for a sandstorm?

[lean fog]

basically

[mental basin]

We don't know

A lot of people would assume it to be the Overseer, but

That's just a guess

I mean it's likely, but the ARK has so many automated functions behind the scenes, weather may just be one of those. Again, we dunno.

[fallow sapphire]

i mean, depends on how "hands on" the Overseer is, but I would see it as an automated system that the Overseer can take over if necessary

[north bear]

I think people think that because of how Santiago bomb destroyed the ark

[mental basin]

A lot of an ARK is shown to function without an Overseer, to be fair

At least, without a proper one

As Aberration maintains most of its basic functions, despite losing its own

I highly, highly doubt Rockwell is running routine maintenence on like, dino spawns, lmfao

[north bear]

The only thing he does are earthquakes

And yapping

[mental basin]

That's not Rockwell

That's the ARK falling apart, lol

[north bear]

Oh ok

[lean fog]

yeah and while it a gameplay thing the dinos spawning in air could be seen as placement error by the ark since longer their fully active every cycle they get more and more errors going on and while super small/slow given how long they prob active for the stuff popping up

[desert tide]

I thought it was the 21st century

[bold dove]

No confirmed time line. Believe we just know it was before the 23rd century, since that was when Tek stuff was already being made.
And since ARK is (suppose, outside of some hiccups with the modern lore) be like Halo or Dead Space, where it's a possible future for us. It likely can't happen in the 21st century, since the suspension of disbelief with these type of stories, is that they happen far enough in the future that we, the audience, will be long dead before we can confirm it ever actually happens or not.

[desert tide]

Ok

[main mural]

if halo was our future pretty much all fields of science would have huge holes 😂

[turbid relic]

Maybe each ark is like a mini "well world" (jack chalker novels) where the rules for the biomes are defined and maintained by "the well" but they can malfunction, and if you have access into the well, you can modify the programming of the well do fix (or break) biomes.

[desert tide]

i was watching some video about the survivor in ark and it mentioned that the homo deus were like prisoners watching the universe through a pane of glass and i feel so bad. helenas head came back already just bring herback

[bold dove]

Her head being visable and human is an artistical choice, not a narrative one.
She's still suppose to be a prisoner, as that was her entire character arc. To sacrifice herself, so we, The Survivor/One Who Tries Again. Can finish what she couldn't.

[desert tide]

i just feel bad, they did all that stuff and couldnt even see it in person

[bold dove]

But this is seemingly being thrown out of the window, with Helena now just casually materializing anywhere to talk and physically interact with characters on a whim.
Instead of her being a "prisoner" to the universe. Which made the whole ending of Extinction more bittersweet, when she uses her limited amount of time she can use in our universe, to finally see one last sunrise.

[bold dove]

Sucks even more when becoming a Homo-Deus was another means for humanity to escape from the Corruption. Only to discover that the longterm effects is basically a new form of dementia.

[desert tide]

yea

[desert tide]

i get it, i just gotta suck it up

[bold dove]

So you likely had families volunteering to become Homo-Deues's, only for their love to slowly drift apart and become no different from machines.

[desert tide]

mhm

[bold dove]

ARK is a fucking dark universe with a bittersweet ending/message. That I wish modern lore would touch on more.
Like actually dark, where you can relate to the fucked up nature of it. Not "man, this is so edgy because it has rivers of blood. Or because an entire civilization is made out of cloned slaves" type of dark.

[desert tide]

yeah very dark, for some reason bittersweet endings are the only shit that can make me cry

[vital void]

So following lost colony, do we know what the next canon lore map will be?

[hollow creek]

It's ark2

Maybe the legacy of Santiago thing

Genesis happens 1000y before the LC we play

[arctic bison]

Legacy of Santiago will be the prequel DLC to Ark 2. so current timeline is: the ARK's saga -> Extinction - Genesis 1 - Genesis 2 -> Lost Colony -> LoS -> Ark 2

[uncut lily]

saying this here too but part of me really wishes we got more chosen survivors / one-who-tries-again either by giving up or taking rockwell's side in ab, though I'm sure a lot of them would've been hivemind-ed or killed after. like i ADORE the graduate students notes , especially the few that show Rockwell from the perspective of someone who didn't know him before his botched ascension

[hard sun]

oh man there's one particular note from the students that is so dark. iykyk

ab lore was so good

[modest tapir]

so this is probably a stupid question but has been been other arks made that broke we don't have access to?

failed arks I guess is what im wondering

[bold dove]

We don't know. But it isn't impossible.

[main mural]

going by LC, unless they have a lot of overlap, it would be unlikely since LC is the last place with element according to helena

[uncut lily]

YESS its so creepy and Gabriel and Nidas notes abt Rockwell's gardens are so creepy too but SOO cool

Rockwell gardens ily

[bold dove]

Think they're asking in general, if there's any possibility of other fucked-up ARK's existing at some point.

[main mural]

thats what I mean. unless there is enough overlap to make it not matter then there aren't any broken ones or there would still be spots of element/corruption outside of LC

because of reseed

[lean fog]

this is more of fan canon thing but wouldn't be shocked if alot of the arks are used purely as material since cloning people/animals and plants etc uses up resources so unless the ark is harvesting more then it's putting out would think would run out eventually

[modest tapir]

yeah or anything, like are there other arks than island scorched earth and abberation?

[bold dove]

Officially, we don't know.
It isn't impossible. But likely ARK's are more based off of model numbers, then every ARK being unique.
We see at the end of The Island, Scorched, Ab, and Ext that every instance of them using other ARK's. It's always copies of the ones we go to.
You can argue that this is just easier for development time.
But also, with how low-poly they are, it wouldn't had taken really that much more time to generate a half-ass height map of a random environment, if they wanted to show off that The Island and Scorched ARK's are unique.

[vital plume]

I got a small random question about the thunder storm during Extinction is it element causing that storm or what?

[bold dove]

The purple clouded sky doesn't give anything away?

With purple thiuder

Fuck

You know what, I'm leaving that as is.

[mental basin]

We have no clue.

Nothing implies it's Element. Nothing implies it's not.

[lean fog]

i mean it could just be regular weather but there's so many element spores all over they end up in the wator vapor and that's why clouds etc are purple

[trim ermine]

Anyone suggestion some ark lore videos

Specifically for spotify

[desert tide]

is mei yin the lost queen in lc

ok nevermind

[bold dove]

🐟

[crude onyx]

Guys what if the astraeos temu-king titan is just made to prepare survivors for the real king titan fight? 🧐

Sorry about the dodo

Its an accident

[vital plume]

Anyone got the exact notes that say Element is a reality warping metal

Other than what Rockwell was doing on the Genesis ship

[lean fog]

i don't recall it warping reality just it likes infecting things and also seems to hate anything that's not it and purple

[vital plume]

It's creating creatures I know could be considered. Also I think the skill tree too has some reality bending abilities too

Also a chronicles note too I don't remember which

[lean fog]

eh dunno if it's creating or just corrupting them

[desert tide]

isnt astraeos not canon?

[lean fog]

plus just creating isn't really warping reality it's just using genetics etc to make them

[vital plume]

It creates Darius confirms it does and the titans also are confirmation too

[lean fog]

still skeptical if it was outright warping reality

[vital plume]

I would consider what a Rockwell does to the ship is slight reality warping too able to change molecules on a molecular level

His techno organic interfacing

[vital plume]

Temporal retreat is reality warping

The skill itself

[lean fog]

i mean he's had a millenia to grow and just infect the ship like a parasite so 🤷

also pretty sure skill tree is just a gameplay thing

plus wouldn't be shocked if it's just telelporting you away and teleporting a can control where you were

[vital plume]

I don't think so the first 8 years on the ship he didn't do anything and the skill is breaking some laws of physics

He waited for HLN-A to be found first

And then spread

[lean fog]

8 years isn't much given 1k total

[vital plume]

The issue is that the timeline is so screwed up because of lost colony the events of Genesis are in a weird state since it's meant to be way in the past because they don't want any events of Genesis for the new world it's kinda dumb

[bold dove]

HLN-A mentions during Terminus's antechamber, that Rockwell is converting the ships metal on an atomic level to make it into himself.

[lean fog]

so not really warping reality just rockwell being rockwell

[compact zenith]

Nah, not canon

[north bear]

Even if astra was canon they wouldn’t train people to do that the ark plan was to wait for corruption to disappear by itself

[vital plume]

@bold dove would you consider Rockwell prime to be the literal opposite of Phyrexia from mtg

[bold dove]

I haven't the faintest clue of anything in MTG.

[vague pollen]

Pardon me since I used ai overview for this since I know little about arks lore but it says that he wanted to shape everything to his own twisted vision isn’t this basically what the phyrexians wanted? Yk all will be one and everything

[vital plume]

Yes but how he approaches it is the exact opposite of their entire religion

[vital plume]

They think flesh is weak and metal is stronger but Rockwell well turns metal to flesh for example

[lean fog]

he just seems to think of himself as a god basically

[gray hemlock]

.

[broken galleon]

Can I put a storyline in here I have been messing around with, can you folks poke holes in it and tell me where it is wrong or what needs to be fixed?

Or how would that work?

[white kayak]

correct me if im wrong
but ive completed ark up to extinction (and including extinction) only so far
and i noticed that the ARKs that have Overseers, like the island, aberration and scorched earth all have a supporting pillar that has a platform at the top of it
is that the observation deck?

[bold dove]

If you're intension is trying to stay true to canon, sure.

[bold dove]

The observation decks are on the top of the diamond shaped platform that one pillar has on every ARK.

Every ARK has three pillars.
With one being more like an upside down L, that has a diamond shaped platform.

[white kayak]

yeah thats what i was referencing to ty

[coarse escarp]

rockwell is a cool dude

[lyric tendon]

Helena before meeting Mei be like

[north bear]

How much did the lore change from Asa to ase?

[fiery adder]

It hasn't. It's the same game, with the same background.

[granite stump]

Not… really. There are a few key differences

Such as Bob actually being a character throughout the events of the island up to extinction and presumably through genesis 1 and 2 when he wasn’t actually there

Rockwells motives were a bit different (he wanted to bring his daughter back using element but he lost himself in madness of power)

Helena, Diana and Mei yin have a weird relationship thing where Diana is seemingly more closer to Santiago (or atleast the Santiago on the genesis ship knowing a version of Diana from the past that ended up causing meeka’s creation sometime before the tek war had ended and she had been created by the system before the genesis ships crash)

And all of lost colony’s lore besides Rockwell finding a way to the genesis ship flips everything heavily on its head in terms of understanding things and or logic since apparently people on arat are over 1000 years old which doesn’t make sense

So I would honestly categorize ASA as its own lore. Similar to ase but with additions from the animated series and its own unique stuff (for better or for worse)

[north bear]

Also the new Dino

[granite stump]

New Dino’s don’t really count in regards to things like the ark additions creatures or the community vote stuff. To say aren’t mentioned in lore themselves so they’re not technically connected to the main story of ASA

They’re akin to the other map creatures that just so happen to appear on main maps like the griffins within missions

If they ever do add things like the Carcha, Rhynio, Yi Ling, Bison and so on into the lore then that’s fine but things like the fantastic tames would just make everything feel weird

[lyric tendon]

nah nope on the rynio because that dossier alone breaks the continuity of Helena not knowing Tek before Ab

[main mural]

mana dossier mentions ice wyverns.

dossiers sometimes just have stuff they shouldn't.

[lean fog]

i mean the dear jane notes show how eh was always on island and tried to avoid the main conflict etc so i'd like to assume he eventually joined up with them tho wouldn't be shocked if was only on earth or something

[granite stump]

Ice wyverns being a thing could like be a case of ‘devs likely wanting wyverns on extinction but forgot’ or it was just a coincidence since ice wyverns existed before extinction and they just kinda mentioned them out of pocket.

Main thing in terms of canon however, if it’s mentioned in the original notes then sure. If it’s dossier then it’s loose canon at most or cursed noncanon (their Rhynio being the main example there since as Mazzy said, Helena wouldn’t of known was tek was)

[granite stump]

Going off of what Bob insinuates though, he was there the entire time. Just part of the group. The events of extinction just push him to being a survivor that was left behind since Mei left to arat prime while apparently Diana died… again

[lean fog]

wouldn't be surprised if bob met up with group on ab or so and then they went to earth and camp omega stuff then plays out

[granite stump]

It would of been impossible for the Jane notes to be on the island if he met them fully on aberration so it’s likely he was just always there as part of Helena’s group

In general, the continuity of Bob is just really fricken weird and kinda ruins how things are in the story

On extinction it was established Diana and Mei were the last two alive, but then its them with Bob? Shocking that Bob not only survived the prior Rockwell encounter on aberration but also the numerous titan attacks on earth when everyone else minus Diana, Helena and Mei died

[lean fog]

see that's the thing

the notes themselves are canon iirc but them being on islan't isn't

[granite stump]

That- doesn’t sound right at all

Especially with what Bob tells Meeka

He’s ALWAYS been there going off his tales (now they weren’t 100% accurate) however, the fact he gave specific details in such a way to meeka gives the sign he’s always been on those arks

[lean fog]

it does cause they're called TALL tales so it's just random b.s he's telling her

he straight up admits it's all just random fake stuff he prob heard of events from others and twisted himself in as fanfic basically

[granite stump]

To an extent yes but the fact he gave very key details to Meeka shows he was present for a lot of the events for certain stuff

[lean fog]

or he was told all of it by santiago or co

[granite stump]

How would Santiago have known of the events on the island and scorched?…

He wasn’t even there…

[lean fog]

helena told him?

you don't gotta be there to get told what someone else did by person who did stuff

[granite stump]

In the limited time they had between aberration to extinction?

And every specific detail?

[main mural]

thats kinda what I meant. dossiers aren't the best source of lore lol.
aren't there a few that get the diet wrong lol.

[granite stump]

Because the instant Helena had met the tek tribe on aberration she instantly set them to red alert to stop the gate way project and to check the arks systems to make sure they wouldn’t destroy the whole station

[lean fog]

maybe helena since isn't she overseeing network when we playing changed things up?

[granite stump]

Probably yeah, but in general the dossiers shouldn’t even be fully classed as canon to a degree especially for those that are later written

[lean fog]

well to be fair they idiots already nuked the ark so 🤷

[main mural]

mana was from when ext first released.

[granite stump]

I more mean the rhynio with that prior statement

[main mural]

I mean last I checked paper doesn't last that long 😂

so obviously something is remaking them

[granite stump]

They destroyed the overseer platform which put the ark into an unstable state, if they kept working on the gateway project the whole ark would of been broken apart from the system attempting to stop their progress

And right after fixing all that they then went to extinction and they essentially had nearly 0 time to really relax due to the titan attacks happening on repeat so I don’t see a moment where Bob could of been told about the events of the island and scorched

So ima just lay it bluntly, bob was just always there to a degree and likely just didn’t participate in the major battles or situations like what he implies to meeka

[main mural]

santiago exists in ark 2 and remembers. could've been then.
also didn't more people survive in ext now think it was lost colony notes or something.

[main mural]

bob is just that guy that stands in the corner the entire time and nobody noticed lol

[granite stump]

I don’t recall anything in lost colony mentioning there were more people. It could of been when they touched down and when they still had their full forces before they were slaughtered by the corrupted and the lesser titans

[granite stump]

That’s possible but I’m pretty sure that Santiago isn’t the same one as the aberration one.

[hollow creek]

logically they should be 2 complete dif santiagos

[granite stump]

I’m pretty sure that one is the genesis ship version since he says ‘respawned again’ likely referencing the time he was put into the simulation by one of the people to try and figure out what one person said to him before blowing up

[hollow creek]

the santiago in genesis 2 was also cloned once to help design genesis ship

[granite stump]

And technically that genesis Santiago isn’t even the original yeah

[main mural]

thats the one they are talking about. that one died and got put in the simulation.

[granite stump]

So yeah- that Santiago wouldn’t likely know anything that happened on aberration unless the system somehow copied those memories over into this new one

[hollow creek]

there's original, clone 1 that made genesis, clone 2 that lived in the ark, clone 3 that is for ark2, 3 should have 1's memories

[main mural]

we won't find out how much the new santiago knows until legacy of santiago or ark 2, unless bob mentions it
but going by the fact meeka says he refuses to mention anything about the arks he probably does remember.

[granite stump]

He likely is some weird hybrid memory version of Santiago

[hollow creek]

wasn't the point of LC getting the memories of people that experience arks to arat?
the entire codex stuff made little sense to me

[main mural]

I would guess he remembers all of them.

[granite stump]

Similar to how we had Rockwell on LC

[hollow creek]

story post genesis is a real fing mess

[main mural]

clone 1 and 2 had memories messed with to get them to do what they want. clone 3 had no reason to do that

[granite stump]

Partially

The codex carries all life and the ability to essentially create the clones to an extent. It’s similar to the engram matrix but they’re different to each other

The engram matrix stores the memories

The codex recreates them from those points in time

[hollow creek]

i know 1 did, but isn't 2 a straight copy of the original?

[main mural]

I thought he didn't remember his death it would've been after clone 1 so he also doesn't remember that.

we know from bob that they can retain their clone's memories so it was probably intentional for santiago to not.

[hollow creek]

yeah, 2 doesn't know about 1, can't remenber if diana or santiagos note meantion their deaths

[granite stump]

The aberration clone was made with the memories during the tek war

The first clone had his memories modified to forget what happened and he through the always existed the way he was and he wasn’t a clone

[hollow creek]

doesn't original die in the tek wars?

[granite stump]

The key thing with Aberration Santiago- DURING the war. Not before or around his death, during as in his early days of the war

[hollow creek]

ok

[granite stump]

It was the catalyst for the war to come to a stop if I recall

But as we know, it was way too late at that point

[main mural]

you know, I wonder if santiago actually appeared multiple times in the ark 😂 like after he died it just spawns a fresh one maybe after a bit of time.
did the arks ever repeat people

[hollow creek]

we have no meantion of doubles on the arks

just the respawning system helena implements later on

[main mural]

unless bob reappears in the animtated series. obviously not main canon but still

[granite stump]

We do have mention of a split personality issue with one person on the genesis ship but never a reuse of engram code

[hollow creek]

wasn't rockwells fault that the 2 diff engrams codes got mixed into one?

[granite stump]

Then again that’s kinda akin to a ‘respawn’ kinda just without the memories

[hollow creek]

or was it just a ships error

[main mural]

just gotta wonder if they just got super lucky that santiago appeared near the same time as helena

[granite stump]

I’m unsure of that actually might of been a ship error

[granite stump]

Seeing as how Santiago was luckily placed on aberration and the impact he had… I would say very lucky yes

[main mural]

probably rockwell too lot of people are 100% required for the story to progress at all.

[granite stump]

Bro not only deactivated the ark systems on aberration but he also created the mek models. If it wasn’t for him, we wouldn’t of beaten the king titan

Rockwell is more tricky. If he didn’t undergo his path of madness we likely wouldn’t of just faced overseer after overseer on repeat until the end of time

[hollow creek]

yeah, earth would have been doomed, but at least genesis would have more or less worked

[granite stump]

Rockwell prime wouldn’t have existed so it would have been smooth sailing for the genesis ship.

However, earth would of been screwed

[main mural]

genesis had another huge coincidence lol. right as we beat rockwell, we find the planet we can actually go to 😂

[granite stump]

Well no

[hollow creek]

wonder if LC would have hold out for ever

[hollow creek]

rockwell and hlna stays hidden in the ships systems for a couple of years before the crew notices

[granite stump]

The genesis ship upon entering the arena had scanned and found a suitable world. When we reach the final phase of the Rockwell prime battle we end up in front of said planet ready to land any moment

[main mural]

yeah, thats what I'm saying. if it didn't find a proper planet. then the eden ring would've just been adrift

can't jump anymore

[granite stump]

Probably would of been better honestly

[hollow creek]

didn't seem like ship would have faced many more issues, seemd pretty self sustaing

[granite stump]

Only issue would of likely been the resources but I think humanity would of pulled through lol

[granite stump]

Yeah it was only Rockwell causing issues really

[main mural]

I don't mean adrift as in can't power. I meant can't jump

[hollow creek]

it had the cycling asteroids in the middle they would have been fine trust

[main mural]

thats the ship jumping

[granite stump]

Just the Eden ring?

[vital plume]

honestly I think if Rockwell actually had access to the codex on the ship the Rockwell prime fight would've been worse he would so find the survivor's family and use that against the survivor making them think about each mutated survivor could've been your parents.

[bold dove]

Assuming The Survivor cares for that, since they're suppose to be a self insert.

[vital plume]

even so they're still in the codex people the survivor cared for in his past life if there is any would be there.

Rockwell is the man to bring the past out of the closet and into the nightmare.

[bold dove]

Like most players kill baby creatures for their self gain, on a daily basis.
Most gameplay aspects like that can be seen as semi-canon. So statistically, most players version of The Survivor are at the very least slight psychopaths.

[bold dove]

Why would The Survivor care though?
Nothing in-canon hints towards this.

Again, The Survivor is a self insert silent protagonist.
Their demeanor, personality, and reactions are all player dependent.

[vital plume]

Because humans are social animals unless Helena actively looked for a serial killer.

but that isn't the case

[bold dove]

You do know how common psychopath as a mental illness is, right?

[vital plume]

because of the gen 2 ending the survivor does put his hand up the glass showing they cared for HLN-A

[bold dove]

Or they cared for her shop, that they no longer will get basically free shit in.

I too would be distraught if my portable shop got destroyed.

[vital plume]

I think there was other ways to get to that shop since the ship was using it before the survivor or HLN-A were a thing on it

it was their currency

[bold dove]

Yeah.
But the robot was following us around and was a direct access to that.
That's like having a portable Walmart that instantly fabricates anything for you.

[vital plume]

The survivor might be less human than most characters in the story because of just the taming system alone and what it actually does to creatures

[bold dove]

The point is, there's no canon interpretation of The Survivor, outside of a handful of aspects the "???" notes give.
Which really only boiled down to that The Survivor/One Who Tries Again being an individual, then a group of survivors. And we're from the 21st century. Likely a gamer.
And the amount of shit we go through, throughout every map. (constantly dying from starvation, temperature, mauled to death, consumed hole and burned in acid)
From the taming requiring the removal of ethics, and inbreeding as well.
To having to deal with biomechanical horrors, and literal wyverns.
To then having to deal with the horrors on Aberration, and Element exposure.
To further then deal with a 28-Days-Layer style apocalypse with a space virus, and having to fight a creature of a size no human has ever comprehended before.
To then contributing to slavery and being half infected with Red Element on LC.
I think it's safe to say, that while we might've lost ourselves during our journey, and likely have a bit of psychopathic emotionless reactions to most deaths now.

Or you're character is just built different, and they somehow still are mentally fine and in one piece after all of that.
It's all headcanon with The Survivor anyway.

Honestly, Helena probably caused a whole new form of mental illness. Due to the likelihood that some people would be driven completely insane with the inability to stay dead.
Likely trying to always kill themselves to end their suffering on the ARK's.

[fallow sapphire]

yeah, that was always one thing i wish they didnt really canonize... as a game, respawning is fine, but especially for how traumatizing the ARK's are, respawning in them would destroy someone

also just thought about it, Lost Colony made it so a no-death run is physically impossible now, as the Extinction Survivor died at some point between Extinction and Lost Colony

so thanks Helena for breaking my perfect record

[bold dove]

It's been like 1,000 years, so we probably died from age.

I imagine clones have a higher lifespan, in the right non-hostile conditions. But they still would wither and die, I imagine.

[fallow sapphire]

oh no, 100% agree

but we did die and she forced a respawn, so less traumatic but we did still die

[lyric tendon]

If the devs pulled a Metal Gear Solid by actually reading out loud your other steam games/console saves, it would be funny

[bold dove]

I like the headcanon that The Survivor finally finds peace in nothingness, after saving Earth, after everything they did to help humanity.
Only to be right back in their younger body with the lady in their head to "wake the fuck up, samurai".
The Survivor must've been PISSED.

[lyric tendon]

NGL that is literally what Note Mei would've feel in Ab

[south meteor]

I kill wild babies for fun

[night quartz]

How cringe is Cringewell (Rockwell but cringe)

[low ginkgo]

ur sick

[south meteor]

Im sorry i change my mind about what i said

Killing wild babies arnt fun anymore

Instead i throw baby penguins into the bio grinder for polymer 😄

The sound is so satisfying 😌

[south meteor]

Id throw wingman into the bio grinder too if he was in the game

[low ginkgo]

my name is a joke. i cant change it i deadass forgot my password LMAOO

but dw id throw gekko into the bio grinder and lock him in a tek bunker if i could

[bold dove]

Actually, I feel perfectly fine when I consume the damned souls of baby dinosaurs.

[muted jewel]

Thats a thing?

[lyric tendon]

yep

[south meteor]

In ark survival ascended there are wild babies but it doesn't compare to throwing over 71 baby penguins into the bio grinder oh the sound

[subtle axle]

How many head pats would Rockwell reasonably tolerate before getting pissed off, game version specifically

[bold dove]

Pre or post mutation?
Post would probably would kill you for even reaching towards his head.

[subtle axle]

Pre, like on the island

[lean fog]

none cause he gets none

only pats he getting are slaps on noggin from being a fool/jerk

[lyric tendon]

if you read the notes (especially in AB) he's kind of a arrogant guy who doesn't like being treated like a child

tl;dr: neither

[north bear]

How would you even reach his head???(yes you could with an titan but you would have to get a titan)

[frosty remnant]

hello

[subtle axle]

I mean maybe if he’s distracted with something you could sneak up on him

Give him a little pat and run off before he can snap at you

Oh great heavens hello bots

[lean fog]

ok so treat him like a child just to mess with him gotcha 😅

[bright sequoia]

#bulletin-board-rules indicates there is a "Ark Stories" channel, but it seems to be missing. Is that Defunct and just a remnant in the rule post?

[north bear]

Hi

[waxen flame]

just an old channel that was removed a while ago

[lean fog]

gotta wonder what could be the lore reason for cave entrances etc being changed after a map released?

[bold dove]

A funny thing called "retcons"

[lean fog]

i meant like saying someone got into admin thing and altered caves or something since altering envrionment seems super easy if have access

like we'll get world editor soon so wondering would the lore be we are basically hacking into the arks systems and changing terrain etc?

[bold dove]

No, it's purely gameplay changes.

[lean fog]

i know but trying to figure if there was a lore reason what it would be

[slim silo]

Can someone explain what happens in the lore when the survivor beats the arks? How do they get to the genesis ship? Also what happens to the arks?

Cause shouldnt the genesis ship be lightyears away meanwhile the arks are orbiting earth?

My guess is that Helena probably just beamed our brain somehow into the body of an unlucky survivor on the ship and sent the HLNA ai with us while she focuses on rebuilding earth.

[mental basin]

Different Survivors

[slim silo]

But in the beginning of genesis she acts like she knows you

[mental basin]

The Trailer?

Retconned to Hell, lol

[compact zenith]

We have codex, which can transfer data (and survivors) in one moment to any place technically.
Arks just land and clean element from soil, literally shown in extinction ascension

[compact zenith]

If I'm not mistaken, on genesis we have HLNA, not Helena, smth like mind copy

[bold dove]

Think they meant the beginning of the original Gen1 trailer.
Which is basically completely decanonized now.

Unfortunate, because that sequence was sick.

[echo barn]

And all that need sorting is how meny time you a can use a cloning machine at once the sever am in is wank gos from 100 odd ping to 247 ping then gos right up to 1100 ping it's a piss take