lore-nerdz

[north bear]

Like normal is well normal

Blue is able to mind control with his beam (I think that because in the art the dodo seem possessed

Red would be able to burn with his beam and destroy

And purple would have the ability of blue and red(maybe weakened version)

[north bear]

Also maybe he will be able to do light(light pet) or maybe his beam will be able to farm thing (a lil bit like bob tales robot)

[north bear]

Most likely light because of the image

Also maybe a lot more of creature will have purple type

They wouldn’t make the middle purple if it wasn’t important

We know that there already blue and red version of most so why not purple

Or maybe they will even be purple element

Or I just think to.much the purple is just red element and my theory is just dumb

[placid parrot]

iie, corruption dayo

corrupted element is purple

[north bear]

See my theories was wrong

[north bear]

But maybe blue element can be corrupted by red which give purple corruption

I know I am wrong

[placid parrot]

purple corruption came before red

also the three gloon colors we know of are purple, yellow, and green, and green we saw doing something to a zombie dodo

[north bear]

I know I have play extinction

[north bear]

Wait green

[placid parrot]

my guess is following purple gloon will lead to folly rather than fortune, since apparently following gloons is significant

[placid parrot]

yeah the one on the right is green, not blue

[north bear]

It is more blue than green

Nvm

[placid parrot]

nani

I will pull out a color picker if I have to ._.

[north bear]

Ok

But why would there be yellow

Maybe it is normal form

[north bear]

Maybe red is when corruption happens to be not touch for 50 years it becomes red (this why in extinction the ground is red in someplace)

Yes I am trying too much

[placid parrot]

hence why I suggest that gloons are related to how element corrupts

we havent seen green or yellow element before

[north bear]

Green might just be normal element

[north bear]

Blue never

[placid parrot]

normal element is blue though

see... like, every extinction creature

thats tameable*

[north bear]

Well blue and green is close

[placid parrot]

not really?

blue goes into making green

green is blue and yellow

[north bear]

Yellow is normal

[placid parrot]

no, blue is normal

we already know that normal element is blue, we've seen multiple examples of this already

[north bear]

I meant normal form of the creature

[compact zenith]

Doesn't Red crystallized sap can be found in same places?

[north bear]

Well new theory

So there is red and blue sap

Which are the equivalent of blue and red rock

Maybe blue and red are corrupted by the elements

[compact zenith]

And gloon colours can be just different effects

[north bear]

One infected rock the other tree

[north bear]

Let me have hope

Also in the zone where we find red are zone with them

In red zone we find red rock

[compact zenith]

Or, it can just be different colours and everyone of them can use all skills

[north bear]

In the zone with red there is red sap

[north bear]

Yes but that’s no fun

[compact zenith]

Yea, red zone named cuz red gems

[north bear]

And because it looks red

[placid ember]

In paint yes. Now...in light nope.

Paint primary colors are not the same for light. Green is one of lights primary colors. Red Green Blue

Also to add to it...Radiation emits light in diferent ranges and wave lenghts, not paint.

[placid parrot]

there's red blue and green sap, like there are gems in aberration

[placid parrot]

that is true actually, I do often get the two confused at times because I study color theory for both paint and light

red and green make yellow in light

[compact zenith]

You needed to say it to other guy, I just said about red sap in extinction

[placid ember]

It's ok. I'm just an old fart. Electrical Engineer. Hope you didn't take offense in me bringing that to atention.

Most people get those mixed up

[placid ember]

Aberration it's RGB lol...and it's where Rockwell found element in its purest form (iirc)

[placid parrot]

yeah

[placid parrot]

iie iie desu!

I do not, I actually welcome the correction... I have a lot in my mind right now because Im studying japanese so the correction is much appreciated

I think I actually like the idea that element is based off light

[placid ember]

Element is radioactive after all. I'm not saying it's based off of light. But the way we see it surely is. Well everything we see at the end of the day is just light hitting our eyes

[north bear]

Can someone tell me what happened?

[placid parrot]

?

in what context?

[runic ravine]

Why and HOW is Sir Edmund Rockwell not element infused monster in LC AND he was NEVER evil he was corrupted by Element why is he in a mental institution in the Animated series, where is the helpful scientist that was Helena's friend.

[hollow creek]

"he was NEVER evil" he killed a entire tribe cause he found a rock that he liked

[pure cipher]

Animated Series also isn’t directly connected to ASE or ASA canon.

[runic ravine]

Because he was corrupted by Element in the game lore

[granite stump]

Because that Rockwell is a fresh Rockwell created by overseer Rockwell. A new clone.

During the crash of aberration, Overseer Rockwell created the clone and in turn jumped into that fresh clone. Overseer Rockwell and new clone Rockwell the community calls Edmund are now in 1 body. Edmund didnt fully recall who he was but then started receiving the memories of overseer Rockwell and started to feel guilty and wanted to die but overseer Rockwell is forcing him to survive

[runic ravine]

I find this very VERY annoying

[hollow creek]

no he wasn't i'm talking about the SE tribe, not the one on ab

[granite stump]

The animated series is just bad

[runic ravine]

He found element on Scorched

[runic ravine]

Agreed

[hollow creek]

but that was refined element, that has no effect on people

[granite stump]

Yes… via the tribe he manipulated to fight the manticore… That’s why he poisoned them, they had the element he wanted so he poisoned them all to take it and the manticore key for the overseer chamber

[hollow creek]

he was sane at that point

[runic ravine]

Because he wanted the element and wanted to go to Ab due to the molten element

[runic ravine]

You can clear see he wasnt

[hollow creek]

he was, he just evil

doing human trial with no concern about the effects on island, even before he knew about element

he just a bad guy

[runic ravine]

He was knighted and had a seat at the science place thingy, he talks about it and makes jokes about it

[runic ravine]

He tested on Mesopithicus first and saw effects then tested on human

He even gave Helena his only Argentavis

He was specifically making brews and stews for human effects, after he done research on the flora and fauna

Also Rockwell always treated most people with manners like a true British gentleman

[runic ravine]

Before element or artifacts

[granite stump]

You do realize people in that time were mostly jackoffs in general right?…

[tender spade]

Guys everytime i open the game it crashes

[granite stump]

They weren’t evil but they weren’t ‘gentlemen’

[tender spade]

Please help

It was working normally

[granite stump]

This is the lore channel, go to bobs with probs

[runic ravine]

Plus in aberration the redhead said "even greatly refined element can poison one's mind" 3 days later he turned a shinehorn into a monster that was quickly killed

[granite stump]

In general, that Rockwell was always evil once he started his journey with nerva. Once that happened that jealousy of Helena trying to figure out the arks with Mei took over him and once he found element it just got worse from there

[runic ravine]

True but he wasn't a damn psychopath like the animation

[granite stump]

No he was

Him poisoning the scorched earth tribe is proof of that. Bro is willing to commit mass murder for an unknown substance that resembles metal.

[runic ravine]

Ingame lore and notes he was an honourable member of a science thing that got him knighthood, why would he write his own lies to himself in a journal?

[granite stump]

What on earth????

[runic ravine]

Because it also resembled the artifacts ect from the island

[granite stump]

That was… wha?

[granite stump]

What does this even mean?

He was ‘nice’ on the island but he even admitted in terms of Helena being a scholar that where he came from people wouldn’t of accepted her and he regretted refusing nervas human captives for his tests. In general, Rockwell was NEVER that honorable. He was at most just a chill guy until Nerva showed up and element came into his view

[runic ravine]

"Before Rockwell started on his path to corruption, Helena noted that he was a kind person who would offer what survivors needed without hesitating. His gentlemanly, scientific, and scholarly demeanor made him a mentor figure to Helena."

[hollow creek]

that's helena being naive about rockwell

[runic ravine]

Because Helena was a woman, the 19th century didn't allow women to do much

[granite stump]

You do realize Helena never actually put two and two together on why Rockwell went down on his path of corruption/jealousy

She just assumed he lost his mind on the aberration ark but in reality it all stems back to the island

[granite stump]

Yes… which adds to why I say people in that time were not as much of a ‘gentlemen’ as you’re assuming

[runic ravine]

I tried sending a link to ARK wiki but it didn't let me

[granite stump]

They were jackoffs mostly, especially those that are doing stuff with science

[runic ravine]

Ark wiki explains alot of his mental state and the exact moment he started spiralling

[granite stump]

But I digress, the point is, Rockwell was always evil and was only chill for a little bit

[runic ravine]

It never mentions him being a psychopath, it says he was an honoured scientist, intelligent ect ect

[granite stump]

That moment ending when he started working with Nerva (Dude started giving false promises to Nerva that going to the volcano’s terminal and going through there would give him and his tribe godhood which was a purposeful lie to let him find more element…)

[runic ravine]

To find more element exactly

[granite stump]

What do you mean exactly?…

[runic ravine]

His original interaction with element was after the dragon fight, no one had any idea or use for it but it matched tek cave, he went there (with lies and deceit) to hopefully find more element.

All in all, no matter what. The Animated series is absolutely terrible and everyone wished it stuck to the ingame explorer note lore, not the broodmother in a tiny cave killed by a tiny sword 😤

[granite stump]

If I recall he actually had an interaction with it after the broodmother fight… This triggered his curiosity and it ended up resulting with him fully being pushed on that path. The dragon fight was after that stuff since it was the last guardian

[north bear]

Yeah and the strongest

[granite stump]

Rockwell didn’t even participate either, he just waited for nervas tribe to return from slaying it

[runic ravine]

You know what I mean, after a boss fight he found element and that's what accelerated his corruption, He started getting jealous and felt betrayed when Helena was with Mei

[north bear]

Yeah he just said to the metal dude they should go and they did which killed lot of them

[granite stump]

So I don’t get the issues you have with Rockwell if you’re agreeing…

[runic ravine]

Because he isn't a crazy psycho that was in a mental institution, he was corrupted over time after having normal human emotions of jealousy and betrayal

I just dislike how the Animated series portrayed him

[north bear]

Yeah

The biggest psycho was nerva

No?

[granite stump]

The Rockwell in the animated series honestly was a mix of him kinda being more representative to his time but also for some reason accelerated his weird urges to allow his corruption in S2 which makes ZERO sense but that’s a separate issue

[runic ravine]

Yup

[north bear]

Well they did a mix with evil and normal Rockwell

[runic ravine]

I was so excited for the Animated series and after episode one I was incredibly disgusted by it

[north bear]

Rockwell did do really bad thing later on

[north bear]

Like what he did in aberration destroying the tek tribe

Or in scorched

And everything in gen

Most people remember this Rockwell

Not the original

[runic ravine]

And the whole "training negates fear" was hogwash

[north bear]

It is more of the interpretation they did on the after every death he came back stronger for our character

[runic ravine]

It was the Yuty fight scene

Mei said "training negates fear"

[north bear]

Oh she is pretty much talking about herself

Like remember she was the only one in the island to tame creature

[runic ravine]

The yuty tried fear roaring a bunch of her creatures and none ran off

[north bear]

Now that is shot

[north bear]

Like the fear roar induce fear and most likely it is the oversear who controls that and we know from scorched the oversear don’t like when the people

[runic ravine]

I literally said outloud "oh fk off with that st" when I watched the scene

[north bear]

Fair enough

[north bear]

At that point what is next manticore can’t fly ,the oversear is good

Like this is shot

[runic ravine]

And the fact that the Achatina was a literal snail size, like no

If they make it so Megalodons attack other aquatic creatures imma lose it

[north bear]

It is Dino it should be big

[north bear]

Why?

[runic ravine]

Even their dossier says they don't go after small fish because of cost and gain and they refuse to go after bigger creatures because they fear them

You even seen a meg attack anything wild in the ocean?

[north bear]

Nah

[runic ravine]

Because they dont

[north bear]

Wait a sec how do they eat?

[runic ravine]

Exactly

They only eat players and tamed creatures

Its dumb

[north bear]

Well the only big he could eat is the basilo

[runic ravine]

But they don't, and it doesn't explain why, nor does it explain the Quetzal and other carnivores that refuse to hunt, like the Ptera, pelag, deathworm, ect

[north bear]

Yeah

[compact zenith]

Doesn't in one of notes said what ARK itself feeding deathworms as a theory?

[runic ravine]

But we don't see them hunting ingame

[compact zenith]

literally said in dossier, can be an some special underground mechanism what feeds them when needed. not exact words from it

[runic ravine]

Well thats dumb,

[compact zenith]

Lore accurate, ARK need smth to stop ppl from trying to leave it. In dossier there is 2 variants, or ARK feeding them, or just replacing if any of them dying

[placid ember]

People thinking Rockwell was a good guy before the corruption, just because he was part of an "honorable" scientist group is naive to say the least.

First "scientists" during their time weren't exactly right in the mind. They'd do everything it takes to achieve their goals.

And it's clear since the Island, that Rockwell had sociopathic traits. Helena was just naive about him.

Rockwell never was a good guy from the get go. The element corruption just brought up to the surface the true Rockwell with absolutly no filter.

In the end tho, part of his consciousness kinda realized what he was and what he has done. But still

[north bear]

Yeah Ik

[north bear]

He wasn’t 100% good but like normally he would not have been as much psycho

[north bear]

But yeah Elena was really naive

[lusty mist]

Thank you! Been saying, the man was never right in the head.

[placid ember]

Yea. Right on from the first note from him. You can tell he is egocentric, I dare say narcissistic right away. How he refers to himself, etc.

[north bear]

Yeah

[north bear]

But still wasn’t psycho like he whould not have done what he did in aberration

[placid ember]

Believe in what you will...what would've, should've, could've and what ifs doesn't matter. What matters is how it went.

Besides before Aberration he killed an entire tribe in Scorched Earth. just because he wanted a piece of element (at the time he didn't even know what it was). And he didn't kill them head on, he planed everything and manipulated everything...You mean to tell me, it was the corruption that made him psycho?! Lol the corruption just heightened what was already there.

Also on side note, you don't need to ping me for every single of your responses, and you can write everything in one message.

At least Nerva would go head on(not saying nerva was good lol)...Rockwell went typical psychopath, pulled a Charles Manson. If you catch my drift

[north bear]

Oh yeah he is a piece of

[north bear]

Yeah he always do that

The only game he is in he doesn’t is genesis and in he attack sleeping people

[bold dove]

My man gets it.

[night quartz]

Thank god someone said it

I'm rereading the lore again after years and he's pretty much 98% evil and 2% hot gas

[granite stump]

He was chill at the very start but the psycho side started kicking in after he joined Nerva

He started his manipulative strategy in that time frame as well via manipulating Nerva into thinking going to the tek cave would give him and his tribe godhood and he even tried to excuse it as not lying

[north bear]

Well it wasn’t that far from the truth

[night quartz]

Slightly unrelated but Im planning on doing like a comprehensive list charging Rockwell for his crimes across all his appearances (excluding Animated Series)

[north bear]

He has killed 30 people

[north bear]

Or 50

In aberration

[north bear]

Actually the guy who did bomb might have worse crime

[night quartz]

Wasn't that Santiago and co. who sent a pipe bomb to the Overseer

[north bear]

Yeah Santiago

[north bear]

Santiago pretty much killed million of people

[night quartz]

Bruh I might have to do him next he sounds like a war criminal

[north bear]

Yeah he did pretty much Hiroshima 2.0

[north bear]

He stop the war

[north bear]

With this

[north bear]

That why there is 3 Santiago he is really important

1 in ab 1 in scorch and 1 in gen

[night quartz]

For that I will assume they will be charged as one entity

[north bear]

He didn’t really do bad thing in there

[north bear]

In scorch he was useless a random

[north bear]

In gen he was just a tek guy that got killed

[north bear]

And in av he pretty much destroyed the ark

And build illegal mek to fight the king titan

He is the one who created all the mek and the mega mek(this version was a 5 people mek)

[night quartz]

How was the Mega Mek illegal

[north bear]

He doesn’t have the permit from the authority

[north bear]

You think people can build plane an use it as they want

[north bear]

Also you can’t say the it was autorised because it was to save the world because the instructions from the authority were to wait it out

Basically the ark were made to wait till earth is good

[night quartz]

I know that. But issue is that had the survivor not existed (or Helena became homo deus), Earth would have had no chance of being salaved iirc

[north bear]

Also Santiago polluted the aberration ark

[night quartz]

I need to reread that so I can't verify this

[north bear]

The ark plan was to wait for the element to go away by itself

[night quartz]

It was never gonna go away if nobody was able to kill the Titan King

[north bear]

Surely

[north bear]

But we still don’t know

[north bear]

And there was still Gen so it would have destroyed human life

[granite stump]

He- The Aberration Santiago isn’t a murderer? Atleast… not intentionally

[north bear]

I am talking about the real one

[north bear]

The real did Hiroshima 2.0

[granite stump]

Ah the original, the original if I recall just kinda invented the weapons and hacked into systems, I don’t think he ‘caused’ those besides him making the weapons.

If anything, the blood is on the hands of the faction that used it since they green lit the use of it

Not just Santiago

[north bear]

Well he alone did the bomb

[north bear]

And he sent it in order of his superior but still

[granite stump]

It has been a bit since I checked that section of Santiago’s lore but I’m fairly certain he didn’t ‘cause’ anything besides the creation of weaponry for the tek war and hacking into the enemies tek

[north bear]

Let me recap everything

Created Hiroshima 2.0

Polluted an ark

Destroyed an ark

Created illegal mek

Was part of the genesis project

[north bear]

Also created an illegal bomb

[north bear]

Yeah but his action still killed millions

Even tho it isn’t bad cause the war did way worse thing

Like for example sacrificing people to become god for a little then "dying "

Or killing lot of people

Cloning

[north bear]

So this wasn’t that bad

[placid ember]

That like blaming Oppenheimer for Nagasaki and Hiroshima. He created the bomb (well not alone). But he didn't order the bombing.

If we see things from that scope. So no human is good.

[north bear]

Well there was 1000 of scientist

[placid ember]

You missed my point completly

[north bear]

And openheimer said it himself he created death

[placid ember]

Again you miss my point

[north bear]

Yeah

[north bear]

Just want to make the most crime out of him

[placid ember]

He said that, when he realized WHAT OTHERS have done with his creation.

[north bear]

Like for example the illegal mek is pretty far already

[placid ember]

Well I'm sorry to tell you, but it seems you live in fantasy land. Not everything is black and white my friend. There's shades of Grey.

[north bear]

Ik

[night quartz]

50 Shades of Grey mentioned!! I love 50 Shades of Grey!!! Wtf is a good story?!?!?

[north bear]

Get out

[north bear]

Technically the only a 100% crime he did is the pollution thing

[placid ember]

Why did he do it? What gave him reason to even have the necessity to create those things to beggin with?!

Let's rewind...why were the arks created in the first place?! Because human were destroying earth already. So like I mentioned before. If we see things from that tight scope of yours humans are bad period.

[north bear]

Oh no ark was because of element corruption

[placid ember]

Dude read what I wrote...why were the arks even created IN THE FIRST PLACE?

[north bear]

The bomb united the 2 faction

[placid ember]

You are not reading...so I'll leave it at that

[north bear]

I thought they created them cause of element corruption

[north bear]

Or is it genesis

[placid ember]

AFAIK the element on earth was due to Aberrations crash

[north bear]

Wait what

[north bear]

Didn’t know

I heard the element in itself crash from a meteorite

[placid ember]

Like I said AFAIK

[north bear]

What does this mean?

[placid ember]

As far as I know...but that's besides the point

[north bear]

Ok

[placid ember]

Point was trying to make. Was the need to create the arks to begin with was due to human stupidity and slowly killing the planet.

[north bear]

Yeah

[placid ember]

Humans like Rockwell for example

[north bear]

I personally hear that the ark where created because the corruption was starting and so they waited it out

[north bear]

Wasn’t Rockwell a 1900 scientist

[placid ember]

And why did it started? Cuz humans wanted to harness the elements power...and boom.

[north bear]

Yeah

[placid ember]

Well kinda like nuclear power...not knowing when to stop and make good use of it.

[north bear]

The more I think about it the more Santiago did Hiroshima 2.0

[placid ember]

Dude no...

[north bear]

Like he created a bomb with a new power that killed millions but stopped a big war

[placid ember]

Ah I see what you mean

[north bear]

And we also use this power for lot of energy

[placid ember]

Like I Said before...this Gona sound naive but it's not. Cuz I'm aware...but nuclear power can be used for good things. Instead of making more wars

[north bear]

Ok

[north bear]

Element can be use for other thing to

[placid ember]

And this was the same for element. Guys like Rockwell not knowing where's the limit. Well they knew...but still crossed it anyway

[north bear]

Yeah

[north bear]

Rockwell injected himself with element

[north bear]

Yeah

[north bear]

Well the faction all pretty much crossed line

[north bear]

The humodeus

[north bear]

The cloning

[north bear]

The oversear(counting Rockwell)

[granite stump]

Homodeus*

[granite stump]

Overseer*

[placid ember]

Jeezas...we both here. You don't need to ping reply everytime dude...annoying

[north bear]

Ok

[north bear]

Sorry I normally speak French

[placid ember]

You recalled me walking the rexes down the tek cave in ASE...Before cryopods even existed. Walking them all the way...😮‍💨

[granite stump]

God I hated that…

[north bear]

2 side

[granite stump]

Even then we couldn’t actually use cryopods in the cave either after picking a creature up (atleast not on Xbox)

[placid ember]

Yup

[north bear]

lol

[placid ember]

Such a pain...walking dinos from base all the way...and then some stupid ones falling in the lava 😡

[north bear]

Why not use a quetzal

[granite stump]

Because solo players usually don’t take quetzals

[north bear]

Or the titan or the oasisausaurus

[placid ember]

In the cave? And how you'd fit 10plus dinos on a quetzal?

[granite stump]

It’s a discussion of ASE… Not ASA

[north bear]

No to go there

[north bear]

I know I was joking

[placid ember]

Right

[placid ember]

Uh? I'm speaking of ASE early days

[north bear]

That was a joke

[placid ember]

Ok

[gusty turret]

Really good lore

[manic spire]

Map to do: Map full of only real animals/dinos . Without any fantastic creatures. In shape like world map with biomes positions like in real and resources connected to biomes not everywhere spawning ( metal and crystal only on tundra , pearls only one region close rain forest etc.) . For tek one ele vein europe , one australia and only one boss of map BEAVER : gamma 15 ele , beta 30 , alpha 45. Blue obe in asia , green obe in south america , red obe in africa. It will be good alternative map. What u think about it ?

[hollow creek]

there's a mod map that has most of what u want

but most if what u want, isn't what ark is

[north bear]

So the island

[cunning terrace]

I can name a real life desert in which crystals are naturally occurring

[main steppe]

I just realized, “Lost Colony” has a bit of a double meaning, intentionally or not. In the literal sense, it’s a lost colony of humanity, but a colony is also what a massive group of bats is referred to as, and what’s in said lost colony?
Vampires.

[rain dock]

Isn't the eden map already doing thst?

[dusky cloud]

Anyone know if there is a roleplay server that follows the ark lore?

[clear peak]

I thought of something: If there's a new clone of Rockwell on Lost Colony and the old "Overseer" Rockwell is completely evil, then how does the new clone of Rockwell know of Helena? Because at the end of Gen 2 he says Helena..? I'm afraid! And not just I'm afraid... Wonder if new clone Rockwell is going to somehow meet Helena or if it's the old Rockwell saying it.

[mental basin]

The Cluster I run with my friend is lore-oriented, but it's more of a side story to the main plot than anything.

[cobalt flame]

U sleepin yet?

I wanted to ask if you know how long the element wars were now.

[mental basin]

We dunno

Santiago says at least a century

But with the documented dates, it'd be 8yrs

I made a video on it, you should watch it, I'm proud of it

[gusty turret]

It probably depends on what you consider actual war

And what was just cold war and proxy wars

Direct conflict may have only been 8 years but there could've been border wars and who knows what else for who knows how long that people just lumped in like yep war

[paper cave]

does anyone how if its spelt edmunium or edmundium? bc ive seen it spelt as the former in the explorer notes

[granite stump]

It’s apparently pronounced Edmundium with what the va says

[paper cave]

yeah rockwell always says it that way but who knows abt the spelling 😭

he spells it edmunium in the notes

[placid ember]

Rockwell's typo 😏

[north bear]

What?

[placid ember]

Its exactly what I wrote

[compact zenith]

[paper cave]

surley not cuz he wrote it in all the notes, at least scorched earth, i have to check aberration and also in the below text so idk

[placid ember]

Sigh...I even added an emoji to indicate sarcasm.

But ok...I was being sarcastic

[compact zenith]

Element is element, don't care how crazy man naming it

[paper cave]

he spells it edmundium in aberration actually lol in the text below that is, not in the actual note

[north bear]

Element was named element before he came to ark

[paper cave]

ngl element is such a bum name like everything is an element

[north bear]

What would you name it

[placid ember]

Ppl simply called it element. Because it is (or was) an unknown element. I guess it was simply for lack of a better term. But Rockwell as egocentric as he is...had to name it after him

[paper cave]

no idea 😭

[compact zenith]

Cosmic Diesel

[north bear]

Hiroshima 2.0

[north bear]

Actual good name Santiagum

[compact zenith]

[placid ember]

Cosmic Diesel sounds good...Vin diesel playing Santiago and all 😂

[north bear]

Godium (god and ium)

[compact zenith]

Homodeusium then

[north bear]

Homosium

[placid ember]

[north bear]

Kryptonite

[north bear]

Big big mek liquid

[compact zenith]

[north bear]

Big big alien

[north bear]

Bobium(bob and ium)

[placid ember]

You still haven't realized you can send msgs with out replying (using the reply) everytime?!

[north bear]

Ik

[placid ember]

And goes...does it again...

[north bear]

Yeah

[north bear]

This true

[gusty turret]

I think thats also the point, its like THE element, it does basically everything you could ever need anything to do

Yeah i would delete that too

[paper cave]

now that you say it that kinda makes sense

[main mural]

its also a better name then Edmundium

[paper cave]

nah 💔

[north bear]

True

[lusty mist]

So

Red element?
Is it a thing?

[compact zenith]

probably

[lusty mist]

Mutated element or something new I wonder

[compact zenith]

can be smth between corruption and element

we will know soon anyways

[north bear]

My theory is that it is the next evolution of corruption

Let me explain why I think that

[compact zenith]

artificial evolution

[north bear]

Basically the 2 place where we can find red is where the element is really concentrated

[north bear]

Red stone in aberration

[compact zenith]

i remember you talking about it alr

[north bear]

And extinction the red sap is in the place where element is the most concentrated

[north bear]

In there there is an element lake

[north bear]

In there there is the king titan

[compact zenith]

yea, you talked about it like 1-2days ago

[north bear]

Yeah

[north bear]

Also is there hole in my theory I would like to know

[compact zenith]

huh

[north bear]

I would like to know if there is something that makes my theory wrong?

[compact zenith]

nothing, at least for me

[north bear]

Ok

[compact zenith]

im not a crazy person who remember all lore and details

[north bear]

Ok

[indigo widget]

Hii

[north bear]

Hi

[boreal comet]

Hey I got a more on the scientific side of an in depth question about the arks landing at the end of extinction, that I would like to really discuss if anyone would like to?

[north bear]

I would like to talk about it

[boreal comet]

Oh awesome so!

The arks landed on earth to re seed and spread new life, but do they take into account their locations like in terms of rejuvenating life itself you have to take into account the conditions that will no longer be under a managed system and maintained to accommodate all different plant, fungal and animal species

[north bear]

Yeah

[north bear]

Well technically the ark can still work

So they could just go back in

[boreal comet]

What I mean is do they account for jump starting the earth on its and being able to predict the weather, the climate and changing temperatures

[boreal comet]

But the whole point is to be ride of element

[north bear]

No

[north bear]

It is to get rid of corruption

[boreal comet]

Well yes okay your right but the dome drops

[north bear]

Yeah they drop

[boreal comet]

There for opening the contained atmosphere

[north bear]

But they definitely didn’t think of that

[boreal comet]

Thats what Im saying

I think in a sense the point is to release life and let it take itself in its own direction

[north bear]

Because we can see that the ark on extinction all have different temperatures

[north bear]

Well the gen program was still there

[north bear]

Also in gen 2 there is still element

[boreal comet]

Thats true but what Im talking about is the number of species themselves success rate

So Im lookin at it like this, from where I work we plant a number of different tree species close together to mimic natural selection within forest floor conditions

And Im wondering if the arks are doing the same thing, releasing hundreds of different species to let natural selection and evolution take its course and Im wondering if the arks locations play a part in that process to guarantee a high success rate and ecological stability from release

Given the earths axis is being jump started with potentially unknown conditions ahead that all the new life has to adapt too

I had an interesting thought, especially about aberration

[north bear]

Yep

[boreal comet]

Sorry, didn’t mean to go on an on, I get little carried away cause Im just very excited and intrigued by all this

[fallow sapphire]

i would imagine that they have specific landing locations, that would fit environmentally. The life itself has already created to adhere to the environments each ARK has created, with i'm sure some creatures can exist in a variety of these environments

natural selection will take a toll though, as Helena expresses on the island that the number of carnivores outweighs the number of herbivores, which is not how an ecosystem should work

and with the ARK's no longer being able to clone new creatures and survivors, certain species will once again go extinct

[fallow sapphire]

dont apologize for geeking out, that is what this channel is for lol

if you have ideas, share them

[north bear]

Then why was there different climate in the ark in extinction

[boreal comet]

Thats precisely what I was thinking! You make some really good points, I just wonder though how much shock is this drastic change gonna have and if that was predicted by the system and why? As this change isn’t gradual but even to say within less then a single year.

My guess would be for the betterment of humanity and to potentially temporarily fill niches in the different ecosystems till the arks landed from there they would be filled better by other or new species over time or realistically just fun inclusive paleo game design

[boreal comet]

Exactly! Why are there drastically different climates that normally would be a whole continent apart from each other?! Why is that?

Maybe it was purely experimental in testing extreme conditions rather than what we see in our world today as a large amount of moderate ones

[fallow sapphire]

do you mean the proto arks?

[boreal comet]

Yes! So maybe the whole point is to push certain target species calling back on what was said about natural selection after the arks landed to be as adaptable as possible on earth already

[fallow sapphire]

well, to explain shortly, the proto arks were, well, prototypes of the final ARK design

[boreal comet]

Mhm

[fallow sapphire]

they, along side sanctuary, were destroyed when the ARK's returned

[boreal comet]

This is true

Which is really messed up btw

[fallow sapphire]

oh 100%

but it wipes out the entire environment that extinction had, both man-made and natural

[boreal comet]

Like I think about it and this system can be unnecessary more self destructive for the greater good

[fallow sapphire]

for something that retuns to a more natural form of earth

[boreal comet]

Exactly

[fallow sapphire]

this is just one case of many, such as Nosti

or turning Rockwell into Ab's overseer

[boreal comet]

Mhm mhm I see where your going

[fallow sapphire]

but yeah, so when the ARK's returned, they brought life back to earth, and natural environments the dinosaurs and survivors had adapted too

humans we obviously know can adapt to many environments, and the dinosaurs are created to be able to do the same

thus why we see rexes in the jungle, arctic, and desert

3 very different environments

[boreal comet]

This is true but those three would in a sense would be different in terms of certain aspects of their biology

Soo with the landing maybe the intention was that the ark was giving equal playing ground to both lets say cold climate and tropic climate rexes on the island to either have one out survive the other in the new establishing climate of earth or for them to eventually breed giving the offspring to natural selection to pick out the best genes from both to have a bigger tool box per say to work out how to survive the full new climate

[fallow sapphire]

i would agree, if we didnt see rexes mingle between the environments

meaning biologically they can survive atleast both the jungle and the arctic

[boreal comet]

Im thinking from when there out of the arks borders

[fallow sapphire]

oh i know, just a statement of i dont think there will be natural selection in the genes

[boreal comet]

To then better adapt to what I think may be a temperate forest climate from the ending cutscene

[fallow sapphire]

the creatures on the ARK's are genetically created, not genuine dinosaurs

because of this fact, they can be created to survive to whatever the designer decided

[boreal comet]

No yeah I know Im just saying as animals now released

[fallow sapphire]

so realistically, natural selection will be less environmental, and more what creatures cause others to go extinct

[boreal comet]

Okie I see where your coming from

In terms of species role in natural selection is it way more artificial from the get go yes

But environmental factors outside of the arks the designer would have to plan out intending for successful spread beyond which from that point of release is completely out of the designer hands and up to new environmental natural selection

[fallow sapphire]

well, the creators of the ARK's could create an idea of the actual environment that was release (i.e. temperat forest and the end of extinction)

[boreal comet]

Technically yes

[fallow sapphire]

so there are certainly some factors they cant indefinitely account for, such as what plantlife survives, what weather happens

[boreal comet]

To a degree

Plant life was something I was really thinking about

There are two sides to this coin and I guess we’ll figure out what happens more so with earth in lost colony.

Are humans in more control of the environment or not. Which in terms of the lore my take way was that they should not be and from personal understandings of the real world should not be in control but in better support of and Im wondering with the end of extinction if thats where things are going

[hard ingot]

I was wondering: Does Rockwell actually kill the burning phoenix tribe on Scorched or does he just knock them out like the guards at prophet's rest?

[boreal comet]

Nah they dead as heck, I wondered the same thing but this is the real push into his upcoming madness

[fallow sapphire]

very dead

[fallow sapphire]

humans are definitely not in control, they'll have to struggle just as much as the creatures to survive

if not more so

[hard ingot]

I just didn't see anywhere in the notes that he actually killed them besides Timur

[fallow sapphire]

tis implied

[hard ingot]

alr

[boreal comet]

But to the point you made about the system still controlling the weather, the climate and their for influencing all organisms. The question is who controls that system?

[fallow sapphire]

the system controls itself

which is why it has so many flaws lol

but also, the system is gone after the re-seed protocol

[boreal comet]

But then to the point you made what would control the atmosphere to better influence the drastic changes of the different ecosystems

I feel like were hitting an informal dead end in terms of earths full fate

[fallow sapphire]

ok so, it's environmental changes affect during the re-seed, setting the earth right

letting the natural order take over again

[boreal comet]

Got it

Thats what I was thinking

[fallow sapphire]

however, the dinosaurs are fairly adapted to the natural order

and humans adapt generally

[boreal comet]

Supporting not controlling

[fallow sapphire]

precisely

which is a hell of a good thing, cause it really messed up the arks lol

[boreal comet]

So then in full it could be said that the system full design isn’t perfect and taking the best of what it can create and letting nature take its course beyond its control letting the ecosystems is held reconfigure themselves and letting certain species of plants and animals intentionally be lost to time again (within different time frames ofc) for the overall goal of re establishing life overall

[fallow sapphire]

yeah, feel like that is a good summary

[boreal comet]

Damn. In a way its kinda beautiful

Like the say I plant trees at work is to give them all a fighting chance and then after there planted to tubed once they mature they’re on there own and most within certain feet of each won’t survive

They’ll out shade each other as natural selection intended but as hard as I may try to plan out a better system to have a higher success (survival) rate its no use because I can’t really control that at all, I can only influence them in certain directions and hope for the best, as well as other environmental factors will play apart with the passage if time

[fallow sapphire]

yep, the beauty of the arks

not controlling life, just resetting it

[north bear]

Yeah

[boreal comet]

That does bring me to the questions I have for Ab though

[north bear]

What?

[boreal comet]

Cause fully understanding and establishing all this, Ab is far more broken to me then ever

[north bear]

Yes it is broken because of Santiago

[boreal comet]

Its environment for what it could have been on the surface now overall feels like more of an ecological prison upon its crash landing

[fallow sapphire]

if anything even survived the crash that is

[boreal comet]

Exactly

Which fingers crossed!!

[north bear]

It doesn’t work

[north bear]

There is no eversear for it anymore

[boreal comet]

Yeh

[north bear]

The technology of the ark mostly doesn’t work

[boreal comet]

But if anything did survive geographically if they can’t climb or can’t fly it’s not gonna be able to get out

[north bear]

Yeah

[fallow sapphire]

there is actually an interesting continuity error within ab when you think of it

[north bear]

What?

[boreal comet]

Really?

[fallow sapphire]

killing Rockwell is how we get to earth, but by killing Rockwell no one else can get to earth

[boreal comet]

Dead end…

[north bear]

There is no one in ab

[boreal comet]

Both paths lead to a dead end

[fallow sapphire]

originally, this could be explained away by saying because Rockwell was the new Overseer, the ARK revived him

[north bear]

But he really got killed

[fallow sapphire]

but Helena in Ab's epligogue talks as if we have actually killed him

exactly, so he is dead

[north bear]

Yeah but no one can go in ab

[fallow sapphire]

this is further broken by Helena talking like we arent the only ones who will make it home

but if we killed Rockwell, we are the only ones who will make it home

[north bear]

But no one can get in

[fallow sapphire]

so the whole thing falls apart, going from a "The Ones Who Tried Again" to just "The One Who Tries Again"

[north bear]

There was 2 way to go to ab

[fallow sapphire]

getting to ab isnt the problem

getting off of ab is the problem

[north bear]

1 in island which go destroy after mai used it

And the scorched one got destroyed

[fallow sapphire]

negative, both are still functioning

in the lore people get to choose where they go

for in game stories sake, we dont

[boreal comet]

I don’t mean to interrupt I just wanted to throw this out there that similar to the proto arks on earth I think that the cavern system was also just a testing ground and born to fail, as nothing can really spread beyond it or maybe ecologically there were more present relationships between it and the surface that both ecological communities benefited from and maybe even geographically in terms of the arks water flow like maybe it lead down through to be “naturally” cleaned out and re used, relaying on natural filter feeders being present before being redistributed to the arks internal systems like a natural touch to a artificial water cycle

[fallow sapphire]

makes sense

[boreal comet]

Thank you!

[boreal comet]

I also really wanted to say thank you for this! I really appreciated that (:

[fallow sapphire]

course lol

always fun to talk ark lore

[boreal comet]

Lol and it really is fun talking with you guys about it (:

[placid ember]

But we didn't "fully" kill Rockwell...he is on the genesis ship.

[fallow sapphire]

indeed, which we will learn more about in 2 days

cause apparently he is back, with a split personality

[placid ember]

Yes

[boreal comet]

Low key

I love rockwell like I really do but I think its time to start pumping the brakes

[placid ember]

LC will explain the in between of extinction and genesis

[fallow sapphire]

i feel that one

i'm just glad he isnt the main villain for LC

[boreal comet]

Yes

I wouldn’t not have been happy to see that

[fallow sapphire]

if they did it right it would been okay, but yeah i would rather just more background on him then another end of the map boss fight

[boreal comet]

Hard agree

[placid ember]

Agreed

[boreal comet]

I mean ark two though

[main steppe]

I imagine as we’re fighting the Lost King, he’ll scurry on over to the superliminal link

[fallow sapphire]

likewise

or after we fought him

[boreal comet]

Maybe he kinda stays as a character you interact with only at base camp or something

[placid ember]

Ark 2 supposedly is more about Santiago...and what happened after all this on another planet...

[fallow sapphire]

imagine if Rockwell was an NPC

[fallow sapphire]

then the first Ark 2 dlc is going back to earth

cause Arat sucks or something

[main steppe]

There ARE apparently three factions, with one of them looking like it might be Rockwell’s…

[boreal comet]

Dude I feel like him and other lore characters might be though

[fallow sapphire]

indeed, so he'll be a villain

just not the main one (hopefully)

[boreal comet]

I saw that purple ah tentacle

[placid ember]

He is definitly on Arat Prime

[boreal comet]

If anything they may write him in as an assist like in the show

[placid ember]

I just also hope he isn't the main focus

[boreal comet]

Agreed

[fallow sapphire]

if it didnt look like he was also fighting the red bois, i would agree

[placid ember]

Just focus enough to explain how he made it to genesis

[boreal comet]

Like let him make some crazy experiments and such to fight but nothing more

[main steppe]

He’s trying to go to the ONE place that hasn’t been uncorrupted of element: SPAAAICCCE!

[fallow sapphire]

genuinely made me laugh lol

[boreal comet]

How incredible and scary would it be though to just see a Rockwell colonized planet?

[placid ember]

Eyes everywhere

[boreal comet]

Oh god

[placid ember]

And the stupid summoners

[boreal comet]

The arati are so lucky

[north bear]

Noooo

[boreal comet]

Imagine your just chillin in your primitive society and then flesh just start spreading out of the forest

[north bear]

The titan would look like Rockwell

[boreal comet]

Ooh god

I betcha he would make titans on arat!

[fallow sapphire]

did not need that imagery lol

[placid ember]

Well...

[boreal comet]

Exactly it’s terrible… but still kinda cool

[placid ember]

The only thing cool about the corrupted side on genesis are the shadowmanes

[lusty mist]

Imagine if they added spice to the game and red element is just spicy ele
Jalapeno element

[boreal comet]

They are so beautiful and so dope

I really liked the venus fly traps though design wise

[north bear]

Imagine if to go to extinction you would have to kill rockwell which whould make you fall down to earth

[lusty mist]

I just realized this is turned into general chat
Im going back there

[placid ember]

Ahh yes. Forgot about those...I got killed by some in my first playthrus. Went like dumb "ah cool plant"...then 😡

[boreal comet]

Lol Im sorry dude

Damn I can’t really talk that much I didn’t play gen 2, my xbox broke a few months after gen 1 released

[placid ember]

Was cool...Shadowmanes. tek Stryders (I really miss my digging stryder)

Irrc the genesis was written by a different team...so lore wise idk how that goes. Many ppl got mad about the genesis stuff back then

[boreal comet]

Omg I love the stryders!

They actually made me wonder if a design like that would replace heavier machinery for conservation work

As I saw that using elephants for forestry work is way more eco friendly then heavier machinery

[placid ember]

Hmm possibly. Hence they can switch their functionality and tools/weapons

[boreal comet]

To say being used within their native regions

As some robots are designed around animals especially for functionality

[placid ember]

The stryders are like beefed up deer or some sort of anthilope

[boreal comet]

Mhm mhm!

I like to think there a giant okapi

[boreal comet]

Which is great in avoiding less soil compaction! If used for conservation and in general for maneuver around an artificial environment

[placid ember]

Yes.

Stryders strike me as work machines as well as war. Versatile

[boreal comet]

If they could fold down

Then for a battle I would say absolutely yes

They definitely can come across as like a walking tower per se at certain times you’d probably want them to be able to drop down

Annnd

They can move through forests so much better

And omg you could cameo there legs like thin tree trunks and decorate them with branches!

[placid ember]

Well for visibility yes. But as far as going down and up on them. They kinda generate a field around them that acts as some sort of anti grav. In ase when you dismount one you'd fall down very slowly

[boreal comet]

Oooh yeah!

I completely forgot about that!

Oooh you could cameo and then lead enemies into that force field and lock them inside!

Omg imagine if it was sound proof from the inside

Like in the dead of night especially

[placid ember]

Possibly. They had an attachment that acted as EMP too. Or was that a mod?! I can't recall

[boreal comet]

Either way thats sick!

[placid ember]

They had a radar attachment. A blast cannon, and digging set (unmatched ressource gathering with that especially when linked to dedis). And some secondary ones I honestly can't recall which sets were mods and vannila. The digging one was vanilla for sure that one I know..

[boreal comet]

No I think your right

Im pretty sure it had three sets

[placid ember]

Yes they had 3 different kinds of stryder. I just don't recall which ones were what, aside of the digging one

Also recall they had diferent secondary attachments

[boreal comet]

Oh yeah, wasn’t the blast canon underneath between the two front legs

[placid ember]

Yes

Was my fav combo digging set with cannon...sometimes was minding my own business mining. And a pack of allos would decide to bother me...so boom lol

[boreal comet]

Damn they thought you were a paracer!

[placid ember]

Allos are nuts, I think they have some sort of rabbies when in pack that make em blind to what they want to attack. I mean wild ones

[boreal comet]

They are and ah I love em

One of the better early dino designs for sure

And a terror to come across as a low level

[north bear]

A terror to new player

[boreal comet]

Back when I first started playing in middle school, one of my first tames I wanna say my second carnivorous tame was an female allo that clipped through a palm tree on the west beach (where the inlet is) and I ended knocking her out. Not gonna lie though I cheesed taking out her pack mates though and I named her she devil (as she had red on the thicker scales so they looked like red horns) and I had her for so so long

[north bear]

I remember once when I was a new player and I thought it was a Rex

[boreal comet]

She was like my main mount once I unlocked the saddle

[north bear]

Cool

[boreal comet]

Ooo no!

[north bear]

When I saw it wasn’t I killed him ez but still

[boreal comet]

Becha yah found out they come in three though

[placid ember]

Allos are good. I did a playthru and went thru bosses just with allos and ofcrs a Yuty

[boreal comet]

Daang thats soo cool

Did you breed them?

[placid ember]

I like to do crazy playthrus...I tryed once do one with moschops but the overseer ended bad for me on that one lmfao

[north bear]

I have a question how hard is 5.0 difficulty (I am kinda new only 300h and I was on easy)

[placid ember]

Yes

[placid ember]

5.0 override?

[north bear]

Yes

[boreal comet]

Lmaoo yk what you made it thay far though mad props

[placid ember]

That's normal dif max wild lvl 150. Multiply override by 30 gives you max wild level

[lusty mist]

Guys

Lore please

Thank you ❤️

[north bear]

5.0 takes hour to tame

[boreal comet]

Wooooah that sounds awesome, how long did that take?

[placid ember]

I'm playing 12.6667 which is max wild level 500

[lusty mist]

Please

[north bear]

Overide 30 give 900 levels

[boreal comet]

Mhm, omg I remember when taming the basic creatures took forever

[north bear]

Yeah and as a 0.2 player I want to know how bad is it

[placid ember]

What I meant was...to know which levels you gona get. Is you multiply the override by 30 that will tell you what's the max wild level you gona get.

[north bear]

Sorry

[boreal comet]

Id say If you got a lot of time to kill

[placid ember]

So if you set 5.0 override gives 150. 10.0 300 and so on

[lusty mist]

Lore please and thank you

[placid ember]

And yes this is the wrong channel for this

[placid ember]

No need to spam the sane thing over and over we move

[trail yew]

Yes, please move to an appropriate channel if you're not going to be discussing lore only.

[lusty mist]

Thank you for saying something
I was getting ignored for a while now

[placid ember]

No I didn't ignore I was just finishing the explanation. Didn't want to leave the guy hanging in half way. Sry

[spice coyote]

So is the animated series the new canon? Since there are animation in lost colony

[north bear]

No the animated series isn’t canon

[mental basin]

Nah, but elements of the two occasionally crossover

[spice coyote]

So they are messing up with those of us who are trying to understand the story

Why did they go with a different story on the animated series to begin with?

[granite stump]

The animated series is its own thing. Not connected to the main series at all besides characters and the island

[mental basin]

Because the Explorer Notes by themselves wouldn't have been very interesting to watch in show form 1:1

[main steppe]

No, that’s just how adaptions work

[light slate]

Bull

[mental basin]

Not to say the Notes ain't interesting, but it wouldn't be as good compared to TAS.

[gusty turret]

Helena would be so boring to watch💀

Also most of the tek tribe content

[mental basin]

Would be better if TAS stuck to the plot a bit harder, but... regardless.

[mental basin]

Hey guys, want 10 episodes of Helena meandering around The Island to come to the obvious conclusion that it's all a sham? I sure do!

[gusty turret]

I would be like watching Markiplier play any game ever

Comically stupid man stumbles around the hobby hes had for over a decade with no thought in his head

But for Helena

[night quartz]

The only interesting part when she slept in a pile of shit

[quaint marsh]

If adapted correctly it could be an absolute banger

Remember, there are four main characters

Helena wouldn't be main character until later on as the cast dwindles

[hollow creek]

all the 4 character are active till the end of the island

[north bear]

Yeah they are all until that mei kill nerva

Question what happened to the people in scorch

Cause they shouldn’t be dead

Like in island everyone got killed by iron clan and they got killed by dragon and overseer

In aberration Rockwell killed everyone

In extinction well it is in the name

In gen 1 we don’t see because different simulations

Gen 2 we do see them but they are stuck because of Rockwell

So what happened in scorch

[hollow creek]

outside of the tribe rockwell kills

people just keep on

[north bear]

But why don’t we see them

[main steppe]

Gameplay wise? Because they’ve all been long dead by the time we arrive on scorched

Unless our survivor’s story is set directly after the extinction explorer notes

In which case they just aren’t there for gameplay reasons

[strong heart]

Overseer saw them chilling/ not progressing and was like “ aight bet” and sunk their city of nosti underground to get the survivors act together .

[north bear]

That was before scorch ended

[north bear]

Also he is dead I think

[tawdry hazel]

they meant the scorched overseer i think, im not too deep in the lore but as far as i know every ark has its own form of an overseer, maybe you meant something else that i misunderstood tho

[gusty turret]

The other players are intended to be the other survivors of the arks, they aren't all dead they're all us

[strong scaffold]

There should also technically be corrupted people in Extinction IIRC, but WC did make them until Genesis..2?

[gusty turret]

There shouldn't as they likely wouldve decayed over the who knows how many years since earth fell, the corruption is still organics based and organics decay, they exist in Genesis 2 because Rockwell can freshly pop out survivors from cryosleep and mutate them basically at will

[merry hornet]

Iron man in new lost colony trailer?

[hollow creek]

what? no

[north bear]

There no more tek cave in scorch

[tawdry hazel]

i dont think that means theres no overseer, as the name overseer would imply its like something that over sees the map, im not sure tho just talking out of my ass really!

[main steppe]

The real answer is that wildcard didn’t want to just repeat the same experience as the island for the player

[north bear]

True

[tawdry hazel]

yes that too ^^

[main steppe]

(And tbf the tek cave is such a pain in the a*s that I’m grateful for that)

[tawdry hazel]

but i do think i heard somwhere that each ark has an overseer

[north bear]

Not every

[north bear]

Ab didn’t have it for a bit

[tawdry hazel]

oh yeah, rockwell became that didint he

was there one before the ark itself got broken up tho?

[main steppe]

I suppose you could make the case that the Manticore is just the form the overseer chose to take

[north bear]

Yes

[granite stump]

In lore there was a tek cave but an overseer wasn’t mentioned. In universe each ark is explained to have an overseer so scorched earth likely does (in gameplay it’s tied to the manticore since the devs just didn’t want to make a tek cave after they went to the lengths of making the map and it’s such an outdated map in general it was just best to not change much even with the ascended remaster)

Which personally I would of actually liked a tek cave, it would give more difficulty to the map, maybe add in another guardian like a base Wyvern Queen or that one swarm enemy boss that got scrapped

[bold dove]

Nerva mentions they fought a beast in his last note. More or less talking about the Overseer.

[granite stump]

Yeah, that’s on the island which definitely meant they faced the overseer there. In the scorched notes tho they mention no overseer yet they go through a tek cave. In turn on aberration there ‘was’ an overseer before it was nuked but then replaced by Rockwell some time later

(And if we decide to use aquatica’s lore, an overseer existed but perished and permanently deactivated which gave rise to that gigantic piranha being the overseer Rockwell style-)

[bold dove]

I refuse to use Aquatica lore.

[granite stump]

The lore isn’t awful in all honesty, but it will definitely get pushed out once we actually figure out where element truly came from and the origin point of it

[gusty turret]

Well that wasn't by design, every ark has an overseer save for the ones that get nuked out of existence

[granite stump]

We know it arrived on earth via a meteor, it’s definitely something from space but we just never knew its origin point and why it even exists in the cosmos

[bold dove]

Pretty sure it isn't canon, by the end of the day. So anything added in it doesn't matter.

[gusty turret]

The scorched overseer was probably just a chill guy that didn't care for the theatrics of a big confrontation

[granite stump]

True, I just find it funny that Aquatica pulled a Rockwell and had something replace the overseer

[bold dove]

-proceeds to sink Nosti

[gusty turret]

The island overseer was probably a theatre major

[gusty turret]

To be fair that isn't a big confrontation

Its a big hole

I never commented on their opinions on holes

[north bear]

No Rockwell becoming an overseer was pure coincidence

[gusty turret]

🤨

If you consider a tactical element nuke pure coincidence sure

[granite stump]

The ark was seeking a replacement for the overseer and Rockwell was just kinda the most powerful being on aberration so it just kinda happened. The trigger for all of that, was in fact the tek tribe nuking the overseer

[compact zenith]

So, by the notes we have scorched earth overseer but not in game. Kinda lame, but why add overseer while his main skill is transforming in this ark bosses

[compact zenith]

I just want believe overseers has different personalities like monitors in Halo, like 343 guilty spark

[gusty turret]

Well i mean they were originally humans so even though the ai has completely taken over the ai probably has remnants of personality/preferences

[granite stump]

Presumably scorched does have an overseer we just never see it because Rockwell and Helena don’t go after it. In game we ‘kinda’ do with the manticore

Just now true tek cave/overseer fight which is indeed sad

[compact zenith]

Kinda sad

[compact zenith]

Aquatica lore even canon?

[granite stump]

No but it’s just a fun small detail they gave

[compact zenith]

Hmm, Ok. I don't have aquatica to check it myself anyways

[main steppe]

They originally did, but the longer they spent as a homo deus, the more their personality started to fade away, at least in our plane of existence

And by the time the gameplay of Ark occurs, it’s been centuries since the explorer note events occurred, and the overseers didn’t even have personalities THEN. So there is absolutely nothing left of their human personalities

[north bear]

It wasn’t the nuke that made Rockwell become a monster

Rockwell chose to inject himself with elements which Transformed him

Then after Rockwell got beaten

He falled down to the heart of the element in ab

And then the ark chose to make him an overseer

Because he was a powerful element being

[north bear]

To come back to this the ark did not think that the overseer would be well nuked

It was a coincidence that Rockwell came here and injected himself with elements

[main steppe]

Since in abberation’s explorer notes about the student group that gets sent there and goes insane due to Rockwell, it’d have been cool if throughout abberation ascended you would occasionally hear Rockwell whispering to you

[north bear]

And that he falled down

[north bear]

Am I the only one who think it would have been so cool if after you kill Rockwell the ark would fall down to earth getting you in extinction

[main steppe]

Story wise, it woudnt make sense

Hype moment wise? Absolutely yes

[north bear]

It could have worked like Gen 2 ending where Rockwell was too much combined with the ark so the ark would have been destroyed and you would have gotten out because maybe Helena

[bold dove]

Shouldn't had resurrected the Oppenheimer of the 24th century.

[north bear]

Well did Oppenheimer built 5 mek and a mega mek

To fight a big kaiju

[bold dove]

No, but he did invent the most destructive weapon known to man, only for it to be improved 10folds after his death, and still remains humanities most destructive device.

[north bear]

Godzilla X Oppenheimer

[north bear]

Weren’t you talking about ab or are you talking about the Hiroshima 2.0

[bold dove]

Talking about Ab being nuked.

[north bear]

Cause ab nuke was way weaker

[bold dove]

Not if it destroyed Tek.
The strongest alloy in the universe.

[north bear]

Fair point

[bold dove]

Probably was a smaller explosion.
But damn, that thing had to pack a punch to do that much damage to that pillar.

[north bear]

Yeah

[north bear]

Well it still was a nuke

[bold dove]

Well, I 'think' it's still small for a nuke, at least with the scale of the destroyed pillar.
A Tek Tsar-Bomba would've just destroyed the entire ARK.

[north bear]

The goal was to kill the overseer not to die in space

[bold dove]

Same difference.

[granite stump]

Love the detail of the description of the lost colony on the steam page ||Unsure if we knew this but it confirms there’s a bioluminescent region called the twilight forest, and the in general fact that the heat from the red element keeps the region alive technically. There’s also CRYOLOPHOSAURUS coming back! And we also know of multiple things such as gargoyles, and a few other things and the true hard confirmation desmodus are showing up too!||

The stuff that’s spoiler tagged was all confirmed on the steam page in the updated description

[pure cipher]

Not to mention the ||dark forest that supposedly is the “gateway” to more dangerous and deadly areas.||

[granite stump]

The real curious thing is ||The aberrant ruins, not the actual name but I like to call it that. In general I’m curious if there’s any reapers and other creatures like nameless still around after the crash||

[lusty mist]

Sooo

Whats “the Turning”?
We get to be vampires too?

[pure cipher]

||I feel like there should be. I don’t expect nameless, but my guess is there will be reapers, maybe in the more dangerous zones of the aberrant ruins if they vary. Maybe drakes too. I could see Yi ling and karkinos in the fantasy forest are (can’t remember exact name)||

[granite stump]

||The twilight forest||

[pure cipher]

||I saw this, thought it was pretty interesting.

We can assume, unless we know and I don’t recall, that the Lost King has used red element to enhance himself. So, maybe this is what the turning is referring to. It could also have something to do with when Mei-Yin fought a Neophyte, and perhaps it has a role in this process.||

[pure cipher]

||Thank you lol, as for the dark forest Im curious to see which of the biomes that will lead into. Or, if it leads into a biome that wasn’t listed on the page.||

[granite stump]

||Reading into it more I assume the city is a no go zone at the start, then after a bit of doing defense missions we can eventually enter the city and explore a bit and do what we need there and once we get everything we need we can begin the attack via the attack missions and once we defeat all of the king’s lieutenants we can go face him which is likely a 3 part fight, first we get intercepted by Rockwell and we scare him off, then we face the lost queen aka Mei and lastly we finish things up by facing the king himself||

||Sounds like a lot but with us having an army of our own we should be capable of handling the chaos all the way through||

[calm lark]

Yoo
I got a question
If the abberant ark was destroyed after you ascended
How did rockwell survive to be able to transfer himself to the gen sim
Also. How did the destroyed ark receive the signal for the reseed protocol?

[deft garden]

Its my understanding that there is a gap in the lore between Ab/EX and Gen1/2, so I don't think we have answers to that in the old lore.

Ask again in a week and see whats goin on.

[granite stump]

To answer the ark being destroyed, it only got destroyed when it arrived on earth after the reseed protocol

As for Rockwell, with what we can gather he used something called the codex to create a fresh clone of himself, a human clone and transferred his own consciousness into the new clone (there’s 2 Rockwells on 1 body basically) and we will figure out how he transferred to the genesis ship in lost colony

As for the reseed pulse, it didn’t. The ark being destroyed made it so the pulse couldn’t activate, meaning that’s why the unique corrupted are running around the place in arat primes region

As for what the codex is, it’s seemingly something akin to the engram matrix, a data storage of everyone’s memories and data. The codex could just be another word for the Engram matrix or it’s a branching thing of that. We aren’t sure yet. But with what we know, the codex lets us look into people’s memories and their past since the lost king used it to look at Mei yins past as said in one of the teasers.

[calm lark]

Thanks

Was kinda confused on that

[granite stump]

No problem!

[placid ember]

From what I gather, it will be an Aberration type of survival. With "levels" to it that won't be accessible right away. And maybe with Gen 1 typpe of missions. Possibly reworked to fit it.

The thing that is confusing me a bit, is where it says it bridges the Gap between Extinction and Ark 2. I thought it would fill the gap between extinction and genesis.

[snow hedge]

That's a big gap considering we don't know anything going on within Ark 2

[placid ember]

Yes

[north bear]

It closing gen and ark 2 I guess

[charred swift]

Mei Yin is the antagonist for Lost Colony?

[granite stump]

It fills the gap between extinction and gen 2, it’s just weird phrasing there but it’s also not wrong since we are getting peaks into ark 2 for small hints and what not for that game

[torpid sinew]

2nd to command of thrall I think

[granite stump]

She was corrupted by the lost king and now acts as his queen of the region of arat prime.

[torpid sinew]

Is it offical cannon I dont rember

[granite stump]

Going off of what the lost king was saying to Mei and how she is legit labelled as the lost queen in leaked dialogue she has with seemingly us as we face her, then yes

[torpid sinew]

BET TYYSM

[placid ember]

Well yea...weird phrasing to say the least. Bridge the game between a game that exists and another that doesnt.

[torpid sinew]

This helps me understand the lore

Okay alr alr

Their gose my theorys

Hey atlest ik nkw

[granite stump]

As said we will be seeing glimpses into Ark 2’s stuff so that could be what they’re referring to

[torpid sinew]

Btw @granite stump what are the bosses

If yk its fine u dont

[placid ember]

Sure...but all there is, is a trailer and concepts. I'm not disagreeing with you. But just feels pretty stupid and misleading to ppl.

Snail

[granite stump]

We aren’t sure.

However going off the steam page, there’s gonna be lieutenants to the lost king we will have to face and defeat to gain access to the lost kings chamber to face him and Mei

And there’s also Rockwell which isn’t a primary antagonist but likely a world boss akin to how the roaming king titan was in extinction ascended

[torpid sinew]

Alr bet

Tyyy

[granite stump]

I don’t see how it’s misleading. They’re just teasing us for ark 2 and giving us some hints at certain characters in that second game.

[placid ember]

Well misleading is the wrong word for this indeed.

tbh I don't have faith that Ark 2 will ever come to be...had enough of their Ark 2 bs all these years. And may be that it transpires in my wording

GTA 7 will come out before Ark 2 😂

[granite stump]

It’s definitely hard delayed until they make enough money to fully commit to it but going off what we know, snail is just screwing them over

[placid ember]

Yes...I'm not against wildcard at all...but Snail.

[granite stump]

Snail being the embodiment of pure greed worse then EA is astonishing

[placid ember]

💯

[granite stump]

Anywho, Back to lore!

Curious how they’ll explain the birth place of the arks claim tho

[placid ember]

I'm really curious about that too...

[granite stump]

They could of came up with the concept and handed it off to sanctuary since I suspect they realized the flaw but also the simulation and the arks aren’t too different, both are methods to harden humanity into being better and more capable of survival. They likely did think of the arks but then the simulation and genesis ship idea came up and they gave the ark idea to sanctuary to let them figure it out and hopefully build off their original idea

Which… I mean- It did work but it was just a terribly flawed system

[placid ember]

A thing that has been confusing me. It's the Bob tall tales side of things. In ASE we didn't have it. And now this Bob guy comes out of nowhere. Tbh I haven't found all of bobs notes yet. (Sure can cheat and get em all just to see. But...nah lol)

is BTT actual cannon or a side story parallel to it?

[granite stump]

It’s just a funny side thing that gives us a little bit of knowledge on what happened on his side of things so technically yes (it also confirms elements from the animated series as canon such as Rockwells daughter, in the aberration tall tale Bob mentions how Rockwell tried to bring someone back himself but it resulted with his madness.)

This doesn’t mean the animated series is canon, they’re just having bits and pieces connect to one another. Anything in ASA treat it technically as its own unique branch of the ark story line

The animated series is noncanon/its own branch

ASE is the original branch

[placid ember]

I been playing ASE since the beggining till 2 months ago (yea I held on till recently on geting ASA. And seems it waa the right thing to do). So this new stuff in ASA confused me a bit (not the game itself but those notes)

[granite stump]

As said just treat Asa as its own separate story, it’s canon but treat it as its own thing where stuff is more weird and there’s additional characters in the story

Such as bob and so on

[placid ember]

Right 👍

[granite stump]

Also- interesting that Rockwell had a daughter to begin with

[placid ember]

Never cared about the animated series. And from what I read very few things are correct lore wise. Just makes me even less interested

[granite stump]

The broodmother was just in a random cave-

You know- major guardian of the ark- Just kinda in a random cavern

[placid ember]

Sigh...

[granite stump]

Helena fell into said cave and ran into it and Mei if I recall one shot the broodmother

[placid ember]

Did they also put megapithecus walking around in red woods like the gigantopithecus? 😂

[granite stump]

I don’t think so, I’m pretty sure the megapithicus is actually in the snow and is seemingly actually a proper guardian going off season 2’s trailer

Tho- Rockwell starting to corrupt himself in season 2 on the island is genuinely horrifying

[placid ember]

On the island? 👀

[granite stump]

But also terribly wrong and shouldn’t be happening (We also got bob suddenly being on scorched earth with implies the other maps DO exist so idk why Rockwell is corrupting himself on the island…)

If there’s a season 3 they’re just gonna have bob show up on the broken ark and I assume in Season 2 Rockwell gets killed but transferred to aberration to try and connect the dots there?

Idk the animated series is just a hot mess

[placid ember]

Wow...

[granite stump]

Yeah it’s a mess, thats why I consider it hard non canon

[main steppe]

I think officially it’s considered an alternate timeline, with the major diverging point being Helena arriving on the island far later than she did in the games

Which doesn’t exactly explain stuff like the broodmother in a random cave, but it DOES explain the character relationships

[granite stump]

I did mention it can be considered an alternate story line as does ASE and Asa so that checks out

[main steppe]

In think in the specific case of ASE and ASA it’s more a case of ASA replacing the story of ASE

[plain sphinx]

Lore wise what stopped the king titan from attacking thr lost kingdom if this lost kingdom was here before all the arks were brought down to earth and the king titan was killed?

[lusty mist]

The hike?
I mean its a walk from the arctic to Antarctica

[granite stump]

It’s on the frozen side of the planet, that and arat prime itself is protected by a barrier and an ungodly strong army at its door step so the king titan just kinda didn’t bother. That and the element was all around the earth so there really wasn’t a full need for it to attack the settlement and risk its own life. And if the settlement survived for god knows how long the region has to be heavily armed to the teeth to fend off lesser titans which it seemingly does with ossidons acting as guard dogs to keep the lesser titans away

The instant the king titan dies after all it results with the reseed protocol activating and reseeding the earth. The titan def didn’t want to risk its own life just to get a small section under its command

[sand hornet]

ok ok ima be real right now. i have a theory about the king titan and the thrall (the lost kings amry and himself) i believe the king titan rather than attack the lost king and the red element what if the red element was a sort of way to protect them from the king titan and the titans like ima be real it wasnt just how populated and powerful the lost king is itshis red element and ontop of that different types of element have dfferent affects and from my guess i think the lost king rather than attack the king titan hed join forces with the king titan itself or somewhat ally with it and the titasin a manner of speaking something like a parasitic symbiosis basically like a leech feeding off a crocodile a giant one hince the king titan and to feed off that power red element is harvested through obtaining the element from element filled locations for example the wastes back at the city wherethe lost king could have been harvesting and do you remember the red glowing towers that are like a barrier that protectd the extinction area from the ice or dead sone what if it was made of red element sort of like a prison for the king titan??

i know its a stretch but think about it when you go into creative or try to go pavt the beams with red glow your vision beginsto turn red and forced to retreat back towardthe area

practically a prison for the king titan and the titans and the one that trapped the king titan was the lost king?

i know what im saying is a HUUUUUGE stretch but think about it

[granite stump]

It’s kinda disproven with the fact the titans seemingly still attack the settlement as said with the Ossidon dossier. The king titan may have just let his minions do the attacking minus it being drawn in when Helena and Mei found the unknown artifact. With this, it definitely wasn’t a type of symbiosis living. The titans hated whatever the lost colony was and seemingly did try to attack but the ossidons being on guard made it very hard to enter the city and destroy it all.

Also I doubt it was some prison for the titans, the titans were said to be all around the planet we just see 3 major lieutenants to the king and the king himself. There were many lesser titans around the globe but they’re all now gone due to the corruption being eradicated.

[north bear]

Question how weak lesser titan where

[granite stump]

We aren’t sure, we just knew they existed and if I recall Mei in a normal mek can fend them off with what it said in some notes (As well as when Mei and Helena were both in meks)

[north bear]

They were like giga level?(right now giga not og giga)

[granite stump]

Idk why I typed dossiers- I’m out of it lol

[granite stump]

As said, we don’t know. We aren’t sure where it would measure them in terms of power or scale but seeing as how they were comparable to base meks I suspect they were slightly higher tier then a giga but nowhere near the tier of the lieutenant titans like the forest, ice or desert titans

Something akin to the sulfur titan mod if anything actually. It’s sizable but it’s not to their scale and is comparable to certain meks (even tho in game they can legit railgun blast a mek into nothingness)

[velvet wharf]

Were does a dodo fit

[hollow creek]

in the rex's mouth

[granite stump]

Top of the food chain

Above the king titan, sits with his buddies the noglin and Gloom

[velvet wharf]

Osidion

The new thing

[granite stump]

Ossidons are likely comparable or above the giga when perfectly built but in reality they’re seemingly Rex equivalents

[north bear]

Cap

[north bear]

On top it is the leaches

[sand hornet]

is it likely that sense element exists still within the lore isnt it possible the king titan can be rebirthed also is it also likely there were other leutenants tothe king titan that were roaming the earth?

[north bear]

The 3 titan are his five star lieutenants

[granite stump]

We only know of 3 that reside near the king titan acting as its main attack force. That and technically yeah there’s not enough corruption to birth the titans anymore but in their place, Rockwell is now the mantle of the master of the hivemind

[granite stump]

Leech* but also no

[north bear]

They give trauma to the guy who kill kaiju for dinner

[velvet wharf]

Wait

So the titans are friends with the king or nah

[north bear]

No

[north bear]

They are controlled by him

[bold dove]

In reality, they're pretty damn better then a rex.

After their rebalance I think two days after their release, they got significantly stronger.

Only going to go up from there with breeding

[granite stump]

If you’re referring to the lost king then no. If you mean the king titan then yes

[compact zenith]

Yea, they way stronger than rex, + some extra skills

My 130 tamed can destroy wyvern trench

[gusty turret]

Why are we powerscaling 💀

[bold dove]

People breeding and mutating them will seal the fact the Rex being the most generic boss tame.

[granite stump]

I honestly forgot about that buff- So technically they’re likely akin to gigas in class now in terms of damage potential

[compact zenith]

Rex is OG boss tame

[granite stump]

Honestly, I am happy with the fact the ossidons have a way higher base stat then the rex, makes them more viable boss killers if you work them right to fit boss arenas

[bold dove]

An OG that isn't really that good anymore

[granite stump]

Them plus a yuty buff and gigantoraptor boost and oof they’ll be monsters. Especially with that bolus attack they can do

[compact zenith]

Even my tamed can do 700 damage per hit, double each third, it's just 44 points

[compact zenith]

Forgot elderclaws boost

[gusty turret]

Cough lore cough

[granite stump]

That too

[granite stump]

We were originally discussing lore we just got side tracked lol

[bold dove]

Still lore to imagine powerscaling, and if gameplay versus in-universe would be accurate with them.

[granite stump]

True true

[compact zenith]

Anyways, someone saw ossidons eyes?

Pretty strange artificial evolution

[granite stump]

It’s definitely a bizarre looking fella

[compact zenith]

Head just a skull, saddle putting some metal pipes in nose, poor creature

[gusty turret]

Well the bloodstalker puts a tube up your butt so its only fair to even it out

[bold dove]

I think they don't have any

[bold dove]

wa?

[granite stump]

If I recall bloodstalkers just wrap small limbs around your body to carry you

[compact zenith]

And let's not even talk how you taking whatever stuff out of genesis simulation, pretty sure there is something what can explain it, but still it's strange, feels way better if simulation get closed for any stuff transfer, exept other gen 1 servers

[gusty turret]

Thats why transfers have never been addressed in lore, its a gameplay thing💀

[bold dove]

They kind of are canonish

[compact zenith]

Yea, anyways

[bold dove]

Transfering is only possible via ascension.
And if I recall. We see that during the beginning of the Ext notes, they talk about their tames they brought though the gateway project.

Also, this is the same IP that allows for sci-fi bullshit and souls.
Engramic Matrix are just psudeo-souls, and it isn't impossible that they could upload any animals engramic matrix into the Genesis simulation, and allow them to control a 1:1 avatar. And for the same vise-versa.

[granite stump]

Pretty much yeah. Nothing would be stopping them from doing that really

[bold dove]

Sci-fi bullshit moment.

[gusty turret]

We don't know what scifi bullshit is possible with the massive plothole between extinction and gen 1 until we get the lost colony tea

It's gonna be whatever they feel like writing

[bold dove]

That's less of a plothole, and a plot 'gap'.

[compact zenith]

Just not instantly upload, like a half a minute to create or destroy creature body, could look better

[granite stump]

The only major things we know that happened between those events is Rockwell landing on earth and using arat prime as his ticket to transfer to the genesis ship and in turn we could of either chased him from earth or the genesis survivor is a whole new survivor. It was up to us prior if it was either or but with the new lore, it’s looking to be that we are just the same survivor throughout all of this

[gusty turret]

Well its a gap that spans who knows how many lightyears so im calling it a hole since thats more appropriate to the size of the information they skipped

[compact zenith]

We probably just gonna get ticket to simulation

[bold dove]

I'm playing. Just being semantic, since that isn't the definition of a plothole.

[granite stump]

The important stuff I feel was answered, Rockwell just used arat primes super luminal link to transfer to the genesis ship that’s it. They’re just added additional stuff to the event to make things more interesting

After all, if it was Rockwell as the main threat again it would kinda feel off and repetitive since that would mean we would of had 4 Rockwell fights all together so I’m kinda glad we got a new villain for this that seems not just interesting but also someone that we can hate in a story perspective since he legit mind controls Mei into believe everything is useless and she has nothing left

[gusty turret]

I mean they left open who we are, what happened to rockwell on earth after establishing it in the ending credits, what happened to mei after her final note, what happened to helena-deus, for like half a decade of delays and rereleases

I thought those details were pretty important but maybe thats just me

Extinction left a lot to be desired for just randomly jumping to a simulation and a space ship

[compact zenith]

I always thought genesis was a mess and real end is extinction

Ending, with a twist

[granite stump]

It was presumed due to there being no corruption on earth anymore he just left. He didn’t have the technical fire power to fight humanity head on so it was better to just leave

We originally assumed Mei and Diana died off in the wastes since the travel across the whole planet seemed like a death sentence

Helena-Deus with what we knew at the time ‘existed’ due to extinctions finale and in genesis she seemingly faded for good back then during the teaser for Gen 1 where she mentions she can’t follow. But if we take the notes themselves then she was in the simulation and made HLN-A meaning she was in the system so that’s like how they’ll explain her still existing technically

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The original ASE marketing did hint that Ext was going to be the last paid map for ASE.

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Yea, I remember this, but now we have aquatica🤢

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Instead of following a logical plot order they waited 6 years to make a connector between extinction and gen 1 so now idk if they even have any of the same writers with the same ideas or not so they'll have to retcon a ton of the initial lore to make their own story to try and smooth the gap

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Thankfully isn't canon