lore-nerdz

[rain dock]

Hmm. Yeah, I guess so

[mental basin]

My personal theory, which I've discussed, is that the Thralls are a result of being exposed to Element over centuries being stranded at Arat Prime

[rain dock]

Cats on fire, Pegasus, dragons, size transforming monkies with 6 arms, but vampires are far fetched?

[bold dove]

To be fair, I don't think FT is suppose to be taken as canon, as BTT is stated to be only like semi-canon by Jeremy.
But better examples would be.
-The matrix.
-Gravity defying creature sizes.
-Bootleg version of The Flood from Halo.
-Genetically modified animals.

But yeah, apparently vampires are too far fetched.

I do hope though their designs get a bit more love in the actual game.
Because the MAPPA version kind of makes them look artistically out of place for ARK.

[sick matrix]

so vampires and zombies are coming?

[bold dove]

Vampires, yes.
We've had zombies since 2018 though

[sick matrix]

i mean npc player zombies haha not like uh dino zombies

[bold dove]

Corrupted Avatars.
Mutated Survivors from Rockwell Prime

[sick matrix]

and then the vamps will be like avatars too or not that we know of?

and i wonder if tameableee

[bold dove]

Probably not.
Likely just environmental enemies.

[sick matrix]

im kinda excited tho

do we know anything else

[bold dove]

Keith David is playing as the "Lost King"
Which outside of that, we know nothing of. But likely the faction leader for the vampires.

[sick matrix]

oh okay well ty for the info lol

[quaint marsh]

Whilst I also have strong opinions about Fantastical Tames (the payed creatures), the reason I find the vampires far fetched is because the spirit of the game is surviving in different, hand made environments to test yourself. That's Ark at the most basic level. Fire breathing wyverns aren't natural no, but they are there to test you and put you against an unfairly strong opponent.

The vampires though are residents on our planet, Earth. The mythical creatures on the Arks never were native creatures of Earth, and the corruption didn't create wyverns, reapers or dinosaurs, it only corrupted what was already created. The vampires don't in any way look like corrupted humans, they simply look like vampires... a mythical creature, seemingly not created by a program. That's my issue with them. Of course, people can like them and I don't really mind that, but I am very sceptical of these additions and that is strengthened by my disappointment with the retcons and rewriting of old stories

And yes, I know that corruption did create the titans. That's the corruption, it creates massive beings to look menacing. The vampires still don't fit the corrupted theme

I guess what I'm meaning to say is that just slapping vampires into the game without any "arkification" doesn't work for me

[bold dove]

That I do kind of agree on.
Their designs in the MAPPA animation do look a bit too generic for my liking.
If they had like the Element growths the Ext-creatures had, or some form of indication that they're Element-infused. Then it'd be more fine to me.
But, also. As much as I'd find it not as pleasing, I'll also accept if it turns out the vampires where made by humans during The Collapse, in an attempt to make a more adaptive human species to possible survive on the dead Earth.
And it just turning out that cannibalism was the best way in that environment.

[main mural]

arat prime probably also had the technology to mutate creatures. the lost king could've just created them.
and the titans are made of corruption but not corrupted from something (at least I don't think) so its not even unheard of.

yeah, we won't know what they are until it releases or we get a dossier if they have one lol

also the 2 genesis maps are only partially there to test you since rockwell corrupted them guess thats also true for aberration's rockwell, and the titans aren't there for a test either

[bold dove]

Yeah, the Titans are made directly from the Element pollution in the air.
The way they will themselves into existence from thin-air when you summon them is apparent. When no other boss in the game has those custom spawn animations.

[rain dock]

The way I understood it is that the vampires are the end of the corruption, whereas the corrupted are still only partially corrupted.

[bold dove]

🤨

Where's that hinted?

[rain dock]

Beneath the frozen wastes of Arat Prime, the true cost of Element becomes impossible to ignore. Figures stalk the city, their wills bent and their bodies reshaped into living weapons. In the crunch

[mental basin]

❌ ❌ ❌

Alright, so, how does one explain this

Those Vampires aren't Corrupted. Their either augmented, mutated or speed-evolved. Yes, all of these terms mean different things in the context of ARK.

Titans? Corrupted.
Rockwell? Mutated.
Corrupted Avatars? Corrupted.
The Extinction dinos with Element in their bodies? Augmented.

The Aberrant Creatures also have Element within their bodies, but only trace amounts.

The Thralls @ Arat Prime don't have Corruption flowing through their bodies like we see in Extinction. And despite their appearance, the same can be said for the big bubbly zombies we saw in the teaser.

I've made this comparison a hundred times by now, but have you ever seen JoJo's? JJBA Part 3 sees the main antagonist, DIO, implanting part of himself into hosts of his choosing, effectively turning them into his slaves.

I believe Rockwell to be doing the same thing here.

[rain dock]

I don't think Rockwell is responsible for the lot colony stuff though. The impression I got was that this preexisted

I have the idea that corrupyion/mutation/augmentation aren't very clearly delineated operations of Element, as I think at this point it's pretty clear that element isn't just a pretty space rock but an intelligent force of nature with an objective

[bold dove]

JoJo reference mentioned.

[bold dove]

Don't forget, a lot of malice as well.

Helena/One Who Waits mentions that the hivemind feels nothing but primal rage, if I recall.

[mental basin]

The Vampires? No. The Zombies? Extremely likely.

See, in my Video, I argued that Rockwell doesn't have an army of his own. We Survivors have eachother. The Lost King has his Thralls. Rockwell? What army does he have?

This is pre-Genesis II, before he started making his own Creatures and humans. He could spread across the city, sure, but I feel like that'd be difficult, considering the effect cold has on biomass growth.

Look closely at those zombies. And the description. They are clearly inhabitants of Arat Prime, given the armor, and according to how they were described, they've been turned into living weapons by a greater force.

Their designs show fleshy bits growing out of them, alongside those purple pustules.

Almost as if, without an army of his own, Rockwell has resorted to taking over the wills and bodies of the inhabitants of Arat Prime to do his bidding.

[rain dock]

Hmm, I seriously hope lost colony isn't another rehash of "Rockwell is why stuff is bad"

My impression was that lost colony was meant to reiterate thst the whole issue is the element, kinda along the lines of ext.

[mental basin]

I mean, he's there already, he's an antagonist who's gonna have voice lines, and his ARK has been teased as the epicenter of Arat Primes' prevelance for the last 8 years

[rain dock]

Well there is a difference between him being there and being the main issue.

If Rockwell took over Arat Prime post extinction, why did he feel the need to flee the planet on the Genesis ship

[mental basin]

Another one of my theories comes into play here

I feel like, for one, the big bad won't be Rockwell. It's gonna be the Lost King & Queen.

And for two, this place is seemingly being retconned into the 'origin point' of the ARK array. Meaning their main control center is likely there.

I feel like it's going to be played as a 'fight against the clock' type deal, where whoever maintains control of the control center, decides the planet's fate.

[rain dock]

I think they are going to make it Mei yin,,which kinda ticks me off

[mental basin]

The Vampires want a dark Arat Prime.
Rockwell wants Earth to himself.
We want Earth back to it's former glory.

Since we obviously win in the end, Rockwell has no place to survive on a planet actively being purged of Element.

Which is why he escapes to Genesis, and starts over from scratch there.

[rain dock]

I hope that's not all there is to it, because that honestly doesn't add much to the story

"here are some side character vampires that you obviously beat" doesn't seem to fit with the idea that lost colony is supposed to be game changing

[bold dove]

The consequences of doing prequels.
Or in this case, a pre-sequel

[rain dock]

Well, given that they are trying to make element the big bad, I think there will be more to it

[bold dove]

Probably. But we know how everything goes down due to the Genesis maps.
They'd have to retcon Genesis to have any issues with Earth at the end of LC.

As long though as the journey to the predictable ending is fun, with enough mystery to it itself. Then I think it should be fine.
Issue with prequels is you know what will eventually happen.

Halo: Reach and DOOM: The Dark Ages are cases of prequels getting it right.
People who know the lore know where the endings are heading. But the middle sections are all a mystery to the players.

So hopefully LC follows through on that.

[rocky sable]

Would details on the behavior and ecology (at least what ecology can exist in the artificial environment of the Arks) of arks’s creatures qualify as lore? I’m writing expanded dossiers that delve deeper into the habits of wild dinos that integrate as much of official content I can (notes, trailers, game data, etc) as possible, but since there’s so much to go over I’m always wondering if I’m missing anything, plus I can reach something closer to objective truth when I also consider multiple interpretations.

[cyan oak]

You probably can with existing creatures with unique behaviors, if that’s what you mean. For example, bison and troodons have unique behaviors that I think can be seen as lore, but it’d be pretty difficult to tie it in to the base game lore.

Smth like the ARK’s harsh environment with dinosaurs and mythological predators making bison even more dangerous and reliant on each other in the wild, or the troodon’s desperation for food turned them into hunters that’ll take any cheeky chance they have to get a kill?

[humble pulsar]

guys i dont get this how does tek fit in with the lore like you are lil guy in dinosaur world and now ironman wtf

[rocky sable]

I actually think there’s quite a few differences between most of the game’s creatures and their real world counterparts, which is part of the reason why I’m doing this project; that does make me realize I should also include a section on each dossier exploring these differences and the evolutionary pressures that drove them directly. I’ll write up some as a test and share what I have here when I’m done.

[cyan oak]

Well, in that case, anything cannon to the game can be considered lore, right? Mechanics as basic as aggression levels can be spun into a good bit of story, it’s making a good one that’s tricky. Idk, I’ve never asked these questions myself, and haven’t given it much thought, but I’m glad someone is! Looking forward to seeing your work!

[wanton cobalt]

Aberration lore, I think the sun got closer to Earth, and all the living things had to retreat underground, and there's not enough oxygen for flyers to live.

[main steppe]

No, the sun didn’t get closer to earth. Aberration is also not on earth, as are none of the maps aside from extinction. The atmospheric shielding on the Ark failed after the overseer tower was destroyed using a tek nuke, causing the suns radiation to scorch the top of the Ark during the daytime. It was then discovered by the survivors that there was a fully functioning underground ecosystem.

[bold dove]

No

[main steppe]

The no flyers thing is solely a gameplay mechanic

You could try and make the argument that the overseer didn’t spawn them in because they’d be too overpowered in the caves, but that doesn’t account for when aberration had a surface

[bold dove]

Think it being hardlocked to no fliers is a gameplay choice.
But no fliers spawning is 100% in-canon.
Yeah, the caves likely never had or intended to have fliers. So animals had to rapidly evolve and adapt to a more cave-like flight.

[light slate]

Seems like you’ve got a lot to learn about Ark lore

[quaint marsh]

https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/Explorer_Notes

All of the games lore can be found here, it'll answer any questions

Well worth a read honestly. Also, if you are new to the game, play the Island first. It introduces you to the lore, the gameplay and the game in general fantastically

[rocky sable]

I’ve just about finished two dossiers but how I should share them? I’ve written them on a doc right now but I don’t see anyone else posting links to docs so should I just paste them in here directly? I should warn you they’re wordy.

[cyan oak]

I’m not sure… ig you could ask a support member, but in here would make sense.

[rocky sable]

Yeah it looks like links are not approved. I’ll paste the first dossier here right after I make a few adjustments

[rocky sable]

Dodo (Raphus replicaire)
Ecology
While large by earth standards, these portly flightless birds are among the smallest animals on the island, and so are often preyed on by its many carnivores. The dodo’s distribution reflects this, as while the egg incubation range suggests a wide potential niche, their realized range is largely restricted to beaches and riverbanks where primary productivity is too low to support most large terrestrial predators, and the landscape is open enough to spot potential threats. Temperatures can fluctuate wildly on the island’s coasts, but the dodo’s thick coat of feathers (unique among most of the island’s dinosaurs) can contend with both the heat and the cold. What meager food is available is enough to support sizable groups of dodos however, and when their typical diet of fruit is unavailable they may supplement it with Insects or carrion washed up on the shore. The dodo is also a capable swimmer and may use water as an emergency escape route, though doing so is just as likely to attract the attention of the abundant shoals of megalodon and giant piranhas. The coastal cliffs of some areas on the beach also offer hiding spots for an animal of this size, but the most effective defense of R.replicaire is sheer numbers. They are among the island’s most sociable animals, forming flocks of over 10 individuals when their numbers aren't being kept in check, and with so many eyes the dodos can sometimes see and avoid predators before it's too late, or keep watch while other members sleep during the night. However their main function is predator dilution, as most dodos can escape if one of the flock is set upon.
(More to come, I need to post this in parts)

Life History
Dodos maintain these large groups, and ultimately their entire population on the ARK by breeding and growing rapidly. After pairing up with an individual male in the flock, a single female will produce one to two eggs which will hatch after about a day in most climates around the island. Given this flexibility, nests are typically minimally sized depressions in the ground, just deep enough to keep eggs from rolling away. In addition to a handful of fertile eggs, dodos produce large quantities of infertile eggs, more so than any other animal on the ARK, which may act as decoys against nest predators such as oviraptor and titanoboa. After hatching, the young dodos follow their parents for several days, learning the right foods to eat and the intricacies of dodo society before reaching independence at roughly half of their adult size. From this point they may remain in their social group if there is room or set out to find a flock of their own. While not naive to predators, dodos are relatively friendly and so dispersing individuals rapidly integrate themselves into new flocks with little conflict. The most basic social units of dodo flocks are mated pairs of males and females. Both sexes contribute towards a nightly courtship ritual through chattering, displaying their wing and tail plumes and sharing food with each other.

Unique subspecies/variants
Aberrant Dodo Raphus replicaire troglodytes
Dodos of the aberrant ARK have bioluminescent plumes on their wings, tail and head. These conspicuous markings are a far cry from the stripes and spots of other aberrant creatures, and so are more likely used for display. Additionally, they are native to the upper chambers of the caves which exhibit a normal day-night cycle as well as a general lack of bioluminescent foliage to blend into. Courtship occurs during the winter or spring season where their glowing feathers stand out in the cover of night, but this may also put them at risk of attack from nocturnal predators such as ravagers which use this same darkness to hunt. Eggs can incubate freely in the stable climate of the cave, and the young hatch in time for spring or summer when the flock can forage in relative safety. As the rivers of the fertile zone are swarming with giant crabs in addition to the usual fare of piranhas, spinosaurs, and crocodiles, the usual defense of escaping to the water rarely works in the dodo’s favor, but the cliffs and crags of the cave wall, as well as the giant mushrooms of the forest floor still offer plenty of shelter to one of the derelict ARK’s smallest residents.

I have a comparison section too but that won’t send for some reason. If anyone does have any questions on this subject, or why I chose to include certain details just let me know. I can’t share links but I can at least describe my sources. Let me know if you like it and if there are any creatures you want me to cover, though I’m trying to prioritize ones that won’t be tlc’d

[cyan oak]

Started narrating like Attenborough for a sec 😂. Well spoken, lovely start to your journey!

[rocky sable]

Thanks! I’m a little rusty when it comes to this style of writing so I think that was just me finding my voice lol. I’ve got another one ready but I’ll stagger them out so I don’t flood the channel too much

[vital plume]

I want to know people's opinion about if Element was put in the 40k universe and if it would make an impact in the universe by either making wastelands or be able to slowly take over planets and just become a permanent fixture in the universe unable to be removed even with their super weapons.

[gusty turret]

Necrons have no need for it and would probably ignore it, the imperium wouldn't touch it since its xeno technology, id be most worried about the tyranids eating it

[vital plume]

What about the Tau? Btw I think that's how you spell it

It wouldn't be technology in its resource form though it's like finding a new resource for element

For the imperium

Do tyranids even eat non organic material?

[gusty turret]

Element is definitely organic

[bold dove]

Corrupted Tek creatures

[bold dove]

It isn't.

You literally get it from fucking crystals on Gen2.
It's an ore on Aberration.

It's a living metal.

[main steppe]

It propagates similar to organic materials, such as mushrooms, but it itself is not organic

[bold dove]

It spreads akin to spores, but that's due to it's ability to self replicate.

It's like a rapidly growing sentient crystal.
You shatter it, and all you've done is made hundreds of new smaller instances of it to regrow from.

[main steppe]

Which is why the reseed protocol, when successful, targets and vaporizes all of it at once

[bold dove]

Yerp.
It got hydra-like way of dealing with it.
You have to go for the heart/in this case, vaporize it completely.

[rotund zinc]

Who can give me a tek gen ill pay 200 ele

[hollow creek]

if u got 200 element how hard can it be for u to make a tek gen

[snow marlin]

in ark extinction the arks landed after the reseed protocol and they purged the element but wouldnt that not matter since the element is gonna spread more cuz of aberration and other arks with element on them?

[vital plume]

so uh the tyranids won't be eating it then right?

[bold dove]

Likely not, since it's inorganic.

[bold dove]

Just an assumtion, but since they're seemingly making Arat Prime the new birthplace for the ARK's. I'm going to assume there's some form of prototype reseed protocol there that we'll trigger to purge the area Lost Colony is set in.

[vital plume]

What do you think about how the 40k setting would be like with it having access to element and who you think would utilize it my guess is the Tau

[bold dove]

Not really any different from the Warp

[vital plume]

My thoughts about that is if it somehow becomes a threat unlike the chaos gods if it somehow wins it wouldn't just die off as a concept because of no chaos happening in the universe

I also wonder if it could manipulate someone like Rockwell in universe to jump start it's corruption or it's just going to be how it was on extinction through war it would grow

[light slate]

This question has probably been asked many times, but is it possible that non-canon maps like The Center and Rag could be one of the many ARKs?

[main steppe]

No, not really. Many of the maps contain details that are contradictory to the actual canon maps, mainly in the creatures on each one. A good example of this type of contradiction would be Valguero having an Aberration area, even though Aberration, and the creatures found in it are meant to be exclusive for the most part to Aberration. The only other time creatures from Aberration is Karkinos, and that can be chocked up to it being a creature that’s already being generated by the Ark overseers.

[rocky sable]

I actually had a similar question brewing in my head all night. Aside from the maps themselves, could inferences of the creatures’ behavior in the wild be drawn from these maps like sheep spawning in herds of up to 8 in Valguero or beavers building lodges in addition to dams on Ragnarok? I was hoping that since these maps are still official content any details on the creatures themselves would be in some way approved by wildcard and could be integrated into my expanded dossiers.

[main steppe]

While they are technically official maps, they aren’t canon, and as such I wouldn’t say any of the “lore” in them should be taken into account even for something like that

[rocky sable]

Good thing I haven’t started on those specific creatures yet! Likewise what’s the status of official media relating to the story arks? Considering the behavior of the creatures in game is highly simplified I’ve been supplementing it with footage from anything where the way the dinos’ behavior is scripted and so can be taken as intentional (notably trailers but I’ve really been combing through anything ark related).

[ancient vigil]

Make the Alpha Overseer Dragon dermis when it enters the base taxidermy because it doesn't show it.

[ancient vigil]

Make the Alpha Overseer Dragon dermis in astreos map when it enters the base taxidermy because it doesn't show it.

[mental basin]

[light slate]

That makes a lot of sense, thank you

[rocky sable]

Just to clarify I was asking a question myself and it seems that the general consensus is that anything involving non-story maps can’t really be taken as canon, not even smaller details such as what I’m looking for.

[bold dove]

Jeremy himself, and so has multiple times in the community crunches have referred the custom-maps as "non-canon". Which would explicitly mean they're not suppose to be taken seriously, or within the context of the canon Wildcard has made.

[rocky sable]

I understand now, I just wanted to make sure that Carcha>Giga didn't misinterpret my question as a statement of fact. I am sorry if I led anyone astray and I did not mean to spread any misinformation. Thank you for clarifying, and I am just glad to have caught this before I dug too deep into my own project.

[bold dove]

Don't have to apologize for anything.

[rocky sable]

Thanks, I was mostly worried because i am relatively new to this subject, but coming here has been really helpful for refining my ideas. I have a much better idea of where to look now I'll definitely be clearer in future dossiers as where I am getting my info from and what is informed speculation

Since I know I'll need to stick to story maps now I am going to rework the way I write them too. The ecosystem of each story map is really different in a way that would fundamentally affect the niche of any dinos that spawn there so I'll be covering them as individually as ecologically distinct units. I'll probably do one map at a time starting with the island with creatures that are not at risk of getting a tlc that would force me to redo my work.

I'll also be considering all creatures of one species on each map as part of the same population unless there is some kind of hard barrier keeping groups from interacting, as all the story maps are really small enough for most species to cross them and maintain gene flow.

[main steppe]

I think something you need to remember is also that canonically the overseers just fuck with the population and ecosystem as they determine is needed

[rocky sable]

That too. Wild babies show the dinos can reproduce even in the harsh environment of the arks though so I'm more treating them as sink populations in a metapopulation where the immigration of new individuals are necessary for long term survival.

[bold dove]

If I recall, most story maps are suppose to be canonically larger then what we see in-game.

[rocky sable]

Well that certainly complicates things. Would you still say that they're traversable or are we talking something continent sized? Looking at the temperatures around each map it would seem a lot of egg laying creatures would need to migrate to very specific places to breed.

[bold dove]

Don't think it's ever explained how large ARK's are, but I'd more imagine Rag's size (like double the size of The Island, and every ARK map having consistent sizes)
Extinction is pretty large from what I recall in the notes.

[rocky sable]

I wonder if I can find a mod map to simulate that and see what dinos could make the journey then, though I'm guessing the days experienced in game are sped up anyways (I'd assume people would notice something was up about the arks sooner if the days were really only about two hours long) so maybe that already takes the travel times into account.

[rocky sable]

Also I'll probably start writing and doing field tests tomorrow so if anyone is interested in giving a certain creature this treatment let me know. As i'm working with vanilla rates these tests take time, even with slomo on singleplayer, so I’d rather focus on what people are interested in seeing. I'll cover it as long as it's immune to receiving or maybe very unlikely to get a tlc with the new vote, and preferably native to the island.

[light slate]

I remember hearing something about how Extinction was originally gonna be a larger map before either layoffs happened or something else, I can’t remember what it was exactly

[bold dove]

ATLAS happened

[light slate]

Oh right, that…

[vital plume]

I need to know where TMNT would be lore friendly to arks lore....

[magic roost]

What if Tek Creatures are just refined element infused creatures like the titans ?

That may explain why there is no Lore explanation for why they exist in the notes

[arctic bison]

It's just the basement dweller portion of the community being represented

[bold dove]

Titan's aren't even that.

[magic roost]

Shit,made a typo

[bold dove]

What was the typo?

[magic roost]

Forgot to mention about how titans are pure element, I should have worded that better

[vital plume]

I feel like that has nothing to do with the lore though

[quaint marsh]

It doesn't. It's probably just another skin pack like the Power Rangers packs

[mental basin]

Like the Power Rangers, neither are canon to ARK, nor their respective original properties

[light moss]

What’s the biggest unsolved mystery in the lore?

I think its the roar at the end of extinction ascension

[mental basin]

That's Rockwell lmao

The biggest unsolved mystery? There aren't any tbh

There are quite a few inconsistencies here and there, but I wouldn't consider those mysteries

[main steppe]

For the longest time it WAS “what the hell happened with Arat prime?”, because we knew something happened between extinction and Genesis Part 1, but with the release of lost colony, we’ll know what happened. So, now the biggest mystery is “when will Ark 2 release?”

[light moss]

Never I think lol

[kindred burrow]

Nice sticker

[light slate]

Will Keith David’s character be the final boss of Lost Colony or will Mei Yin be? I’m hoping they pull a Gen 1 and make both of them bosses

[main mural]

what do you mean by that? rockwell/CMC and moeder are the only bosses

we won't know until its out anyway.

[light slate]

Gen1 had two primary bosses, CMC and Moeder, I’m saying what if Lost Colony does something similar with The Lost King and Mei Yin (Lost Queen?)

[main mural]

moeder is a minor boss. no ascention and can be completely ignored

doesn't even give tek replicator like every other boss lol

[bold dove]

She doesn't give a replicator, but she does still give tekgrams

But yeah, she's technically optional.

[main mural]

its the only boss to not give the replicator

[bold dove]

Isn't like five or so missions you can ignore for Alpha CMC?

[main mural]

don't know never did alpha lol.

[bold dove]

It's 8, looked it up.

You can skip 8 missions and still do alpha.
So yeah. Like you said, she's completely optional.

[main mural]

wonder if we'll get versions of the others in ASA

[vital plume]

I wonder if it's going to be three or two and Rockwell is the final boss just right at the end of the map trying to pull a fast one and get on the ship as quick as possible

[quaint marsh]

I've never even fought Moeder. Is she fun?

[lusty mist]

eh

[bold dove]

Ah fun as the ocean can be.

Probably would actually be fun with evo mosa's.

[nimble magnet]

Does anyone have or know of a lore servers that allow that allows guns

[light slate]

Anybody notice that dossiers for newer creatures in Ark are read like they’re meant to be read by the survivor? The dreadnoughtus dossier is a prime example with the “give em hell for me!” at the end. How would Helena have known that these hunks of meat could’ve stood a chance against the Titans?

At this point I’m considering most new DLC creatures to be soft canon because it feels like they don’t have any place in the lore at the moment

[mental basin]

They kinda always were.

Helena wrote them as if they were going to be spread around like wildfire, despite knowing that it'd never be the case.

That said, any Dossier that's supposed to be written before the events of Extinction mentioning the term 'ARK' can't be considered canon, seeing as Helena didn't learn of the term 'ARK' until near the midpoint of her journey on Earth.

@snow seal Notice me Dollie-Senpai, and add this to the list of Explorer Note inconsistencies plz 💔💔

[rocky sable]

Are there any examples of those? I did a quick scan of the dossier texts on the wiki with ctrl f and I didn’t see the word Ark once. That being said there are quite a few inconsistencies in animal behavior between the dossiers/notes and the gameplay that’s made writing my own profiles complicated, like creatures described as solitary spawning in groups and “herd” animals that always spawn alone, and so far I’ve been putting both on equal footing and writing off inconsistencies in the dossier as uncommon behaviors or those specific to certain life stages, but between the dossiers/notes or the game data is there a one I should prioritize?

[ivory meadow]

Well somtime it’s the game that miss the dossier, like solitary cretur somtime spanw in groupe because the game have multiple "spanw point " , and well the dossier are pretty always right if you read any dossier you have the taming, the food , and abilitys but not like directly somtime with the dossier you need to guess, and normaly the player should look the dossier befor the tame , not Youtube tuto

[rocky sable]

I’m mostly thinking of the pegomastax, which is specifically programmed to spawn in groups of up to three, though I guess the dossier says “fairly solitary” so I guess groups are ok. I haven’t thought much about why such a territorial animal would be found in groups though. I believe the pegos stash what they steal in middens since they don’t always have it on them when you catch them so maybe they were hanging by an individual to find and take from its cache like squirrels are known to do. Then there’s the more straightforward answer of them being a family unit or getting together to breed but to me that would only make sense if they were only found in pairs.

[stiff flicker]

Hey friends, does anyone know when the next map will be updated

[bold dove]

The team that writes, and the team that develops ideas are probably totally disconnected from each other.

If they where more close to each other, they would've used any other of the titans for the wandering-titan mechanic, other then the one dude that is stated in the notes to never go off from his throne.

[rocky sable]

That makes sense but if I can’t use the game itself as a reference and the notes are so vague about the actual ecology of the creatures, being more to explain the gameplay mechanics of each animal to the player, I honestly have no idea where to turn at this point.

[bold dove]

Honestly, don't think people would blame you making shit up for the more vague sections.

There's like three different official interpretations so far in ARK.
What we see in-game, which sometimes conflicts of what the notes try to convey. (from what we know, there should be no reason why lesser titan's aren't a thing on the Extinction map) and now TAS interpretation of the lore.

Video game dictates that the ARK's support supply drops and give survivors them.
Notes suggest otherwise, with no one once mentioning supply drops/beams coming out of the sky that aren't from the obelisks.

[rocky sable]

Thanks. That makes me feel a lot better knowing these dossiers don’t need to be watertight, and I always knew I was gonna have to make some stuff up. The plan is to try to have as much information as I can supported by some kind of official source though, cannon is preferable but I’ll really use anything from wildcard to fill in the blanks as long as it doesn’t contradict said canon, then actual paleontology/biology if that doesn’t fill in the blanks either.

I just wish I knew a way to clarify what’s speculation without dumping even more walls of text here. It’d be easier if I wrote a blog or something but I cant share any links. Maybe a thread here would work but then again I also won’t be able to share links to any of my sources.

[vital plume]

I personally think Helena had something to do with it even though its never mentioned to help aid the one who tries again

[bold dove]

Think that's kind of a stretch.
Took a loooooong time to slowly feed the respawn protocol to every ARK, just so it seemed like they came up with the idea instead of foreign coding messing with them. And all that does really is recreate a humans body 1:1 and places the existing engramic matrix in that new body.
Think it would've took longer, if not impossible for her to modify 'every' ARK to make a whole new physical system that are drops.
Also, the surface drops exist on Aberration. Which....kind of fuck with the established nature of drops via the hall of history bridge.
Because that entire section of the Aberration ARK is blown off, and no longer overlooking the dome itself.
100% just a gameplay feature.

[vital plume]

I mean flak is in the supply drops and that was after Nerva that's where I got my idea was from that

[bold dove]

What does flak have to do with Nerva?

[vital plume]

Flak was worn by his legion and Helena saw it

no one else wore it in the notes after island

[bold dove]

Flak armor is a real thing. Just not covered in metal.

Flak jackets IRL are meant to protect from fragmentation grenade shrapnel, or other explosive shrapnel.

The stuff we see in ARK is just a really primitive, full body metal armor that's meant to be protective armor against grenades and shit.
Making it "flak" armor.

[light slate]

Was the Giga depicted in the dossier Demon King? There probably wasn’t any other Giganotosaurus that Helena witnessed on The Island

[bold dove]

Not confirmed, but probably.

[light slate]

Also I noticed a funny thing about the Scorched Earth ascension cutscene, the surface hole that you fall into is the Red surface entrance, so unless the Survivor got transported to the green zone after the cutscene fades to black, they would basically be trapped in the cave

[bold dove]

The Survivor 100% died from shattered bones.

And just respawned likely on The Portal.

[light slate]

That’s also a possibility

I don’t like how they got rid of Skye’s corpse on ASA Aberration now that I think about it

[bold dove]

Huh, didn't know that.

[light slate]

Yeah, they also got rid of a few corpses on ASA Ragnarok. There used to be a couple bodies and blood in the Ice Queen cave, and some charred corpses in Life’s Labyrinth but they got rid of those ones in ASA

[main steppe]

Probably to keep a T rating

The game was originally rated M, back when those were added.

[bold dove]

ASE is rated T

Also, you can show corpses in Rated-T titles. You just can't show realistic gore.

Halo Infinite, a Rated-T title, has a spartan that dies all covered in bruises with a bloody nose.

Though I guess with ASA's artstyle change, it could be argued that skeletons would've been made too realistic.

Which is still weird, because there's some pretty damn extreme gore decals now on creatures, showing I think muscle tissue. As well as the entire concept of the Corrupted creatures.

And there's still the giant animal skeletons.

[main steppe]

Ahhh, but it wasn’t always. The game was originally rated M, but at some point, I believe around extinction, it was re-rated to be T

[bold dove]

Wayback machine on April 26th 2017 shows it was still Rated-T

Also, holy fucking old store page

Tek Tier II just came out, and so the store page poster has that old keyart of the underwater compartment and the mosa tek saddle.

Also fun fact. The game during this time was mixed.
People are complaining about the UI changes and the flier nerf.

[quaint marsh]

I remember it being mixed for a long time

it only became positive back in 2021 or so

now it's dropped low because of Aquatica

[rocky sable]

This is probably a silly question but do you think the lack of a fortitude and water stat on creatures is just a gameplay thing or would temperature and dehydration just not be a concern for them like they are for the ark’s humans? Since some are affected by temperature like the magmasaur and others like the jug bug and morellatops do have a water stat (though they do not consume the water they store) I’d think it was the latter but I thought I’d see what people thought here before I take that into account in my writing.

[quaint marsh]

That is 100% just a gameplay thing I'd say, since the whole reason water jug bugs and morellatops store their water is because they need to move from water source to water source in the desert. It probably cools them and provides them with much needed hydration in the scorching heat

Think similar to camels in real life

[rocky sable]

Come to think of it the dossiers for both creatures also mention their water stores making them targets for predators so that shows they need to hydrate too. Without a water stat for each creature though it’s hard for me to figure out how often each creature would need to drink, there’s a setting for dino water stat leveling so my thought is that there could be something hidden in the dev kit but I don’t have room on my computer to download it and check lol.

[quaint marsh]

I know you want to be accurate with these dossiers, but that is an overstep

I doubt the values you'd find would be realistic

realistically, the bigger the creature, the more water it needs. Back to Scorched Earth, paraceratheriums, a large herbivore, can only be found around watering holes due to their great need for water and food. Large carnivores, such as rexes, can be found further from water, but only if there are enough morellatops there to sustain their needs.

On the Island water is often around, unless the animal lives on a mountain

But you still find brontos frequenting beaches and paraceratheriums frequenting swamps

[rocky sable]

You bring up a great argument with body size, maybe it would be better to use drag weight as a proxy then. I know the devs mess around with it for balancing reasons but it’s the closest approximation to body mass we have to my knowledge (there are also the actual animals ark’s dinos are based on but I want to use as little “real-life” data as possible since they’re established to be completely different). As you point out it also makes a lot of sense with where we observe each species spawning. Thanks for your help!

The main reason I was thinking of this were the island’s mountain creatures actually, and if fliers could keep their nests in the relative safety of the cliffs and live off rain or if they would need to risk bringing their young to water.

[rocky sable]

Ok so I figured out a conversion rate using drag weight and a something like a megalosaurus (I wanted to see if they could sleep through the day without dehydrating) would need a little less then 12 times the amount of water a human would. This would help them go for longer but on water limited maps like scorched earth replenishing these reserves every night would be very important.

I think I may finally have enough data to write now lol. I promise to put something out soon.

[fiery lark]

i heard a theory on this one video somewhere that mei yin could be the boss of lost colony he said he thinks so due to the lore surrounding the map or whatever and it made sense since theres like vampires and what not and he said like she turned into one but what do u guys think of this?

[bold dove]

The theory comes from a leaked script from an actress that has the world "Lost Queen".
It's probably Mei-Yin, as she's associated as the "Beast Queen" and we already know that Keith David's character is called the "Lost King" sooooo, it's kind of a given it's likely Mei-Yin.

[fiery lark]

i also wonder what the ascension will be like becuase we know this map bridges the gap between extinction and gen 1 so i wonder if it will be like we go through the super luminal link or whatever its called and see more how that works

[royal otter]

T

[vital plume]

Next thing we need is the Helena boss fight then we got the main trio as bosses xd

[short night]

qui veut joue a ark a deux

[vital plume]

I've been thinking the new lore for Rockwell hints to him having a daughter and I wonder why Helena didn't try to use that to get to Rockwell's humanity before the one who tries again was in the story or during the gen ship to stop him with something with his past

I also got another thing on my mind and is Helena a telepath too since her intro and outro notes are in a black void

[fallow sapphire]

yeah she has some form of telepathy, cause she also talked to Diana (and maybe Mei? Been awhile so I dont remember)

[fallow sapphire]

mostly just because the concept of him having a daughter wasn't made at the time, and wasnt an idea of Marc who was the writer until Extinction

as for the genesis ship, he was kinda too far gone at that point

during aberration was when he was truly lost, after that there wasnt really any bringing him back

[vital plume]

He was a lot more willing to talk things out on ab

During his boss fight

But his daughter wasn't mentioned during abs boss fight which his lines for the fight was way after extinction

I'm just curious if there was even an attempt that was made to get to his humanity since it's clearly there and still cared for someone aka his daughter

I know it would be on par with Megatron becoming good but I think it would've been the only chance to actually reconsider his actions. His family would be the only real thing to actually get to him most likely but on gen ship less likely compared to ab

Since he did fall off that cliff but still has emotions

And if you say anything about the hivemind it most likely has very little influence on Rockwell on ab since it has no real use for him at the time and he clearly has freewill during the whole story of ark

[fallow sapphire]

i would say that is to keep some coherency between aberration rockwell before and now

seems weird to add something in his lines that seems so important, that was never mentioned in the notes on the exact same map

[bold dove]

Gonna be honest, think his character in TAS will be ruined if they changed his motives to "bad because of dead daughter".
Rockwell in-game is a man that's nearing the end of his life, and naturally he fears it.
Not everyone is ready for the eternal abyss, so the moment he sees potential of immortality (Element) he takes it.
Fear of death I feel like is both more unique, and something more people can relate to then having a daughter.

[main steppe]

I think you could potentially throw it in as not the cause, but as something that could have added to his instability, but if that’s made the sole reason he goes nuts, then yeah, he’ll be ruined.

[vital plume]

I mean they already did it with bob tall tales. Bob did say he was trying to bring someone back from the dead

[bold dove]

🐟

[vital plume]

I forget the note but I think its the end of ab of bob saying it

I also think it could be a mix of both whats saying it can't

Wanting to stay alive longer to eventually wanting to bring his daughter back through element as well

[main steppe]

Oh

Oh, i just had a thought

They’re going to pull a twist and reveal Meeka isn’t the biological daughter of Diana

She’s going to be Rockwell’s daughter

[vital plume]

You telling me she got gas lit by false memories?

[bold dove]

Just gonna ignore the fact Meeka looks like a cross between Diana and Santiago.

[kindred burrow]

She was too long in that test vial

[hazy pelican]

Just found a 140 male rex and 150 argy next to eachother

day couldn't get ANY better

[main steppe]

Yes, but consider

It would be a subversion of our expectations

[bold dove]

Subverting expectations is a good way to ruin a narrative, if the writers don't know what they're doing.
And I honestly don't think they do.

[vital plume]

I do have one important question for that is did Rockwell not have any influence on the Eden ring at the end of the story. Seeing they were all hooked up to the simulation

[bold dove]

It'd kind of would render the entire ending of Gen2 mute if he did infect it offscreen.
The entire point of why the Eden ring gets disconnected, is because the rest of the ship was either far too gone, or had potential for infection, that it wasn't worth keeping it around.

[vital plume]

It wouldn't be direct but indirect by corrupting some of the survivors minds that are still hooked up to the simulation at the end

[bold dove]

Again, that would narratively make the ending a bit meaningless.

[vital plume]

I mean the one guy was on the Eden ring when he was woken up early because of Rockwell's meddling

[bold dove]

The split personality dude?

[vital plume]

Yes

[bold dove]

Pretty sure he's dead.

[vital plume]

He woke up because of Rockwell though even though he was on the Eden ring

[bold dove]

Fair.

[hexed garden]

guys what's the managarmr supposed to be i'm curious

looks like a really fucked up mixture of a white cat and a deformed dragon

[main mural]

that is correct.

afaik, its original. its name is from norse mythology tho. "moon wolf" or something like that.

it is indeed a dragon as its listed species in the dossier is "Draconis auragelus", could be cat or fox depending on who you ask 🤷
the dossier also says its directly related to the rock drake "Draconis obscurum" so thats pretty cool

[bold dove]

They're also related to the ice wyverns if I recall from Rag.

I think, hang on.

[main mural]

rag ain't canon tho

[bold dove]

Rag isn't, but some custom map creatures are.

We see ice wyverns and griffins on the SurviveTheARK mission on Gen2.

Unless stated otherwise, those creatures are now on a canon map.

[main mural]

don't think ice wyverns have a different dossier. so just the island dragon

[bold dove]

Okay, so had to look it up. And you right.
So must've been a theory I heard. But I kind of fuck with it.
Since Ice Wyverns are now canon, at least on the Genesis ship. The theory goes that the Managarmer has a shared ancestor to the other wyverns.
Something happened for a common ancestor to mutate/adapt to become more draconic like, and while one side was put onto the ARK's to turn into the modern Wyverns. While the other side stayed on Earth and further adapted with Element to become later on the Mana's. (we know the ARK's can place new species on an ARK over time, as seen with Wyverns themselves and Reapers. And if I recall right, it's stated that the ARK's where a bit more peaceful in their earlier lifes, and that due to their age, shit has just gotten out of hand.)

Kind of like the idea that Mana's and Wyverns are like what Homo-Sapiens are to Chimps.

[main mural]

manas are related directly to rock drakes according to helena not wyverns

[bold dove]

🐟

[bold dove]

Draconis is the same family.

[main mural]

yes but some branch off way before. and chances are none of them are actually related just named after each other lol

wyverns having wings makes them very different to the other 2

[bold dove]

Fair, I assume Helena wouldn't have the tools to do blood tests, or be able to see their skeletons always.

"Like the icy variant of Draconis vipera"

Oh wait, Helena literally mentions the ice wyverns

Draconis Vipera are wyverns.

[main mural]

its talking about the ice attack. but yeah that does mean they are canon.
and where did helena see them???

[bold dove]

🤷

[main mural]

she only went to island, scorched, and ab prior did she see them in one of the ascension rooms maybe?

or maybe somebody they met went to another map that had them.

[bold dove]

I don't know, feel like for a narrative sense it makes sense that anything in the Draconis family are related one way or another.
She'd be spreading misinformation then if she just pulled these out of her ass. And that wouldn't make her a good paleontologist I feel like.

[bold dove]

Or, realistically. The person that wrote that note (assuming it wasn't Marc) didn't understand that she wouldn't had encountered them. And just added that tidbit because it was cool.

[main mural]

https://tenor.com/view/impossible-star-wars-mark-hamill-luke-skywalker-gif-5440327

[bold dove]

-Me when I add something cool to the narrative that then proceeds to have no explanation. 🐟

Totally never happened in ARK.

(moon goes brr)

[main steppe]

To be fair
That moon is pretty cool

[light moss]

Is the reaper a failed experiment of rex from rockwell

[hollow creek]

no, reapers exist before rockwell becomes the overseer of ab

[light moss]

Nice name btw

[hollow creek]

my most recent lore #fanart-and-screenshots message

[light moss]

🤣🤣they need to be punished

[bold dove]

Rockwell didn't make any life until Gen2.

Reapers/Nameless is just the ARK's byproduct of "fucking around" and the survivors proceeding to "find out".

[night quartz]

Who is Rex

Also, as others said, no Reapers are not created from Rockwell

[mental basin]

?????

[hollow creek]

he just spamming

[light slate]

Are the Ark maps smaller than they’re supposed to be in the lore? I always got the impression that Extinction was supposed to be a much larger map

[main steppe]

I believe they’re all mostly accurate in size, EXCEPT extinction.

There was a lot more planned for extinction that didn’t end up happening due to Atlas being in development at a similar time

You can also see it in the concept art, where there was a LOT that was cut for time

[rocky sable]

Ok I'm finally done with another profile: megalosaurus. I know I said I would try to avoid creatures that would probably get tlcs, and I think it's like second on that list, but I ended but doing all the necessary math with that one first. Hopefully they won't do anything to fundamentally change its niche. Like the last one I did a few weeks ago I'll be uploading it in segments cause its long, but not as long as the last one since it's probably one of the simpler yet more fleshed out creatures at the same time.

Megalosaurus noctedominus (island population)
Ecology
Megalosaurus is an extremely rare nocturnal predator which spends much of the day sleeping deep in only a few of the island’s cave systems, many of which are barely large enough for an adult to squeeze into. They share these spaces with more adept troglodytes such as onyc, titanoboa, megalania, and various species of giant arthropods. As an effective predator of the island’s smaller creatures, the megalosaurus would make short work of most cave residents, so it is typically left alone as it rests. As a solitary predator, other megalosaurus in the caves can pose a threat, but these theropods are surprisingly tolerant towards others of their own kind and may even sleep together due to the necessity of sharing such a cramped space. These associations dissolve as each megalosaurus sets off into the night to hunt. Kept warm by a coat of protofeathers these theropods can maintain an active metabolism to help it run down small prey, which upon seizing with its powerful jaws is quickly dispatched through gnawing and shaking to sever the spinal cord or brought back to the roost to finish away from competing packs of troodon. The tactics employed by megalosaurus are less effective against groups of animals, only capable of grabbing one item at a time, or species too large to lift off the ground. While such species are not optimal prey, the megalosaurus is nonetheless capable of holding back such threats at night with its powerful jaws, but must seek cover to avoid them by day.

Life History
As a solitary animal, megalosaurus do not form long-term social bonds and so courtship is a simple affair. Males seek out and approach females during the day when they are more docile, a move which puts himself at risk of attack from diurnal predators, and if the female considers him to be fit enough she will allow him to mate. The pair may stay together for up to 24 hours, sleeping together in a shared roost before and after mating. The gravid female spends the next few nights collecting food and locating an ideal nesting spot. While they provide a stable environment to sleep in, no caves on the island are the right temperature to incubate a megalosaurus egg, and so the female seeks a secluded area deep in the jungle or near the mouth of a cave where nighttime temperatures are sufficiently warm enough. Once preparations are complete, the female carefully incubates 1-3 eggs over a period of at least 2 days. Monitoring its development so that hatchling emerges early at night. Baby megalosaurus require constant food and attention from the parent, and so, unable to forage during the day, the mother must spend the night hunting tirelessly to supply the infant with vast quantities of meat to last it through the day. Megalosaurus care for their young until they approach half the body length of an adult specimen, after which they must hunt for themselves. Independent juvenile or adolescent megalosaurus may retreat deeper into the caves by day to avoid competing with adults, but as the animal grows it may become large to squeeze its way back out the tunnels. These trapped megalosaurus are nonetheless able to sustain themselves off of the abundant troglobytes as well as smaller visitors to the caves.

As always I'm open to suggestions, questions, or general feedback about these dossiers as well as what sources I use for them or which dino I should cover next.

[idle crow]

😭 props for writing all that and props to whom ever reads all that

[rocky sable]

Believe it or not it took me a while to get it down to this length. It’s only about a page on docs. Though the main reason why I ask for Dino suggestions is to make sure it’s on something people actually want to read about.

[ivory meadow]

Nameless are just thing that ate element

[bold dove]

They're not.

[hollow creek]

source ?

i made it the f up

[ivory meadow]

I read that one day , that the expirement are some dino that was been transformatade by ele , and i heard or see idk where that they implant elelmant or eat it , like it is a sort of drugs

But i think it can be a mistak

[fallow sapphire]

Rockwell Ab note#22, he talks about injecting a light pet with element, and it mutating. However, nameless were a thing long before Rockwell did his experiments, so they were not products of element consumption, or atleast not stated to be so

[ivory meadow]

Oh m'y bad it was the litle shinhorne , not that thing

[vital plume]

Imagine we get a creature based off that explorer note for lost colony to show Rockwell starting to do such experiments but just using existing life for said experiments as a way to show him going further and making his own life forms when gen 2 comes around

[next jungle]

On PS5 when one player opens inventory the other players screen goes very blurry! any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated as it is very frustrating.

[wet hare]

hey guys, i don't much about tek creatures lore so i have questions about them :

• since they are bionic beings wouldn't it be logical for these creatures to have a weakness against electricity ? also how is tek mosa able to live in water since he's bionic
• wouldn't it be logical for tek creatures to have enhanced stats like for dmg resistance and increased dmg, a robot is by essence stronger and more durable than an organic being

and if anyone knows tek creatures lore i'm interrested

[mental basin]

Well, for one, Tek is typically waterproof. And for two, that's really just up to conjecture

[main steppe]

The lore also never really acknowledges Tek creatures

[rain dock]

The lore of tek creatures is a marketing campaign for ext

[main steppe]

It’s literally a case of “Dino’s are cool, robots are cool, mash them up.”

[bold dove]

I'd love if Tek creatures got official lore.
But yeah, outside of just marketing for the Extinction Chronicles, there's no official lore about them.

[fallow sapphire]

cant forget that they exist in the Gensis Simulation

which to an extent would canonize them, if being on other story maps didnt

[vital plume]

Lore acknowledges enforcers which are Tek if you don't go with the gen 1 route of cannon

The creature note and gen 2's mission being directly acknowledged by Hlna

[bold dove]

Think in the context of the topic. Tek Creatures where referring to the Tek dino variants.

[vital plume]

Gen 1 missions is what would make them cannon then and the space biome

The Tek giga for gen 1

[bold dove]

No one is denying they're canon. There's just no official lore for them, since they where just made to market Extinction.

[mental basin]

They also spawn naturally on Extinction

Some of them at least, and there are corrupted variants

[fallow sapphire]

Well i mean, on evolved they spawned naturally on all maps

[bold dove]

Evolved is more or less irrelevant in the newer ARK canon.
What we see on ASA is what has overwritten ASE in the narrative department.

[fallow sapphire]

Indeed, was just a statement

[quartz spruce]

Hello everyone, where is the best place to read Ark lore?

[naive spear]

ASA lore "we need money"

[quaint marsh]

The Ark wiki, there you'll find all the explorer notes. Alternatively you can use this command:

cheat GiveAllExplorerNotes

to give all the notes to yourself and allow you to read them in game

[quartz spruce]

Thank you.

[mental basin]

Never reccomend the ARK wiki lol

[harsh horizon]

Anyone wanna play

[hollow creek]

#1110949794907684965

[mental basin]

I reccomend watching NeddyTheNoodle's full ARK lore recap, since it covers everything except Lost Colony.

I've also uploaded my own videos regarding Lost Colony & ARK II. Currently wrapping up production on an Aquatica one, as well. Even though it isn't canon.

[quartz spruce]

I am mostly looking for what happened that led to Genesis(Gen 1) happening/being created🤔

[mental basin]

Well, that's kind of explained in Ned's video

But what leads into Genesis 1 is Lost Colony lol

Which isn't out yet

[quartz spruce]

Well that's problematic.

I will watch Neddy's video and piece together to the best of my ability.

Thank you NanOS🙌🏽

[mental basin]

I do also have a 1-hour long Lost Colony deepdive myself. Might help you connect the pieces a bit better.

But I'd recommend watching that after Ned's.

Either-or, I technically worked on both projects.

[fallow sapphire]

Aight mister show off, you’re big and cool

[light slate]

I liked your video on beating the Island and scorched within 100 days

[quaint marsh]

I used to read the notes there during boring classes, nothing wrong with it. The old wiki has a few typos but nothing too extreme

Neddy does have fantastic videos on the Ark lore, yes, but I myself found myself enjoying reading the notes and building my own picture more interesting than watching the videos. The notes were meant to be read, after all.

[mental basin]

There are far more than just typos lol, the last time I gave it a read, there were several enormous incorrect statements made in the lore section

[mental basin]

Gotta get my credit in somehow

[subtle axle]

The Rockwell recipe about decorative coloring mentions it being a good way to decorate cakes with colorful frosting, which means Rockwell is a cake maker and probably has an apron that says kiss the cook (I’m insane)

Rockwell is also probably just a good cook in general

[rain dock]

He did have a vegetable garden

[subtle axle]

Collecting hobbies like he’s getting paid 💔💔

[main steppe]

And then he turned half a colony ship into a beeeeeeg vegetable garden

That was his true plan all along, to create the worlds largest vegetable garden

[night quartz]

Then explain Abberation

[main steppe]

Garden
But underground

[night quartz]

Only 1/3 of the map could quantity as a garden

Maybe Bioluminescent zone could count but idk

[lusty mist]

We can grow plants in any zone.
Rockwell likely could as well.

[night quartz]

Oh yeah I forgot that fact

Ok then maybe Abb counts as an underground garden

[novel tree]

Rockwelluyah, praise the Edmundium.

[night quartz]

Who tf has a name like Edmund

Edmid Midwell lmao

[bold dove]

Decently common name outside of 21st century.

[night quartz]

My name is Edmund, I made Edmundium. It was difficult to splice the creatures together. But fortunately, something went so right. And now I can do anything but be walking upright. My name is Edmund... Edmund... Edmund...

[heavy sandal]

edmund is a fire name. one of my favorites along with bernard, cecil, mortimer. my non-existent kid better be glad he'll never be conceived because he'd get a geezerass name

[night quartz]

A fire name in the year 2025BC

[hollow yacht]

I have a question about the community creature vote and submission, and thought the lore channel would be the best place to ask.

I made a creature that isn’t entirely “real.” I stuck with the idea that Genesis “evolved” or changed the original genome of a real creature, accelerating its evolution and almost making a brand new creature.

Does this technically go against the “rules”?

[kindred burrow]

I think yes

[robust creek]

will more valguero servers come out?

[hollow creek]

U could maybe fit it in by still naming it as the original that u based it off, doesn't need to be 100% accurate to the irl one

[vital plume]

I mean I don't think so entirely just because Rockwell literally made brand new creatures

[hollow yacht]

That was my thought, but I did some tweaking and I could submit it as what its original genome is, and part of its abilities could be “becoming” a Genesis version of itself?

I’ll keep messing with it and if it’s disqualified then whatever, I had fun making it 😊

[cerulean spoke]

Element does alot of crazy things on the Genetic Level.

Intentional(?)
-Extinction Dinos like Snow Owls were engineered.

Accidental:
-Anything in Aberration
-Corrupted Dinos
-Rockwell and his Garden(im not 100% sure that's due to 'Edmundium')
-Titans from extinction

Also something to note since you mentioned Genesis as the inspiration: Its a Computer Simulation.....go crazy

Also......Wyverns and Mantis were designed by the Overseer to destroy the Empire that existed on Scorched. So again Lorewise I think the ship has sailed on Realism based designs

[hollow yacht]

That is all very true and good to point out. I just want my submission to have a chance and part of the rules states it has to be a real prehistoric creature.

Maybe I’m overthinking haha 😂

[cerulean spoke]

Ahhhhh, well I think that depends on the map. I cant speak for contest rules only to pre existing lore.

I would assume its referring to the base creature, but Ark has seemingly veered their Creature Votes towards Realism so they can SELL the 'Fantastic' ones

[hollow yacht]

Exactly what I was thinking too, and I’m sure many others are thinking for this specific submission

Oh well. It’s my first submission and I wanted to try it, and to bring in some Genesis lore to the creature. If it’s disqualified then maybe I can find someone who mods haha

[bold dove]

As long as they're named after a real species, that's fine.

Rhynio IRL is tiny AF, like fly size.
Yet they bloated that thing up to the size of a adolescent wyvern.

So yeah, you can 100% have some creative liberties.

[vital plume]

I don't think the snow owls manas and gachas were engineered I think in the lore they evolved to expel the corruption

[bold dove]

Yeah, as Blar said. Snow Owls aren't genetically made.

Val's, Mana's, Gacha's, and Owl's where all natural animals on Earth that evolved/adapted alongside Element. Forming a mutualism relationship.

Enforcers, Attack Drones, and Defense Units are all manufactured though.

Also, I'm gonna be an "umm ashtually" guy roll quick even more.
Titans are by what we know so far, the natural endstate of Corruption/Element. They're not really accidental, as they're intended to form once Element has a dominion on a planet. And so it forms Titans to keep that grasp fully upheld.

[bronze turtle]

Do we know any lore for the lost colony dlc

[bold dove]

Uuuuuuh.
Arat Prime.
Vampire people.
Keith David.
Lost Queen character.

[hollow creek]

Place where genesis ship was launched in past
Place where Rockwell will upload himself to the genesis ship

[bronze turtle]

Dear God no I can't can we not mention Rockwell for 1 dlc

[bold dove]

This is a prequel, to be fair.

[hollow creek]

Nope, he is ark main character

[bold dove]

So he's still canonically alive.

[bold dove]

Until ARK-2.

[hollow creek]

When ark 2 arrives, seeing Rockwell again will be something else

[bold dove]

Yeah, via a corpse in a gas giant.

[hollow creek]

Shouldn't a clone of him exist in the ship? Just without any memory after is original death

[bold dove]

We don't know.
Rockwell is, in the grand scheme of things. A nobody.
Santiago only has multiple clones, because he's actually a very, very high profile person.
Like, the Tek era version of Albert Einstein, and he was a complete ass.

[hollow creek]

Doesn't the genesis ship have the same database as the arks?

For engram matrixes?

[bold dove]

Unless they do some fucky retcons that I'm not aware of. Diana is the only time the respawn protocol worked on a pre-us Survivor. And that was on complete accident.
Santiago has multiple clones because (well, as stated above)
We don't know how the database works fully in the games universe. But seemingly, once you die, you're kind of shit out of luck with coming back ever again afterwards.

Again, before we assume retcons. If Helena could've pulled what Bob seemingly is going to do in TAS. She would've just gotten that new Diana, and attempted to reactivate her memories.
But Helena never mentions this on Extinction, and she kept trying to make clones of Diana. All lifeless corpses with no soul though.

[hollow creek]

I'm not referring to a Rockwell that experience the arks, when he died in 18th century if I recall

[bold dove]

I'm not either.

Also, anyone that was on the ship during the events of Gen2, would know his face. And would probably treat Rockwell as a "kill on sight" target.

(again, pre-retcons) Rockwell was influence by Element, but everything he did was still his own doing.
He's an evil man at heart, and Element took advantage of that. So no matter how many different clones there are of him, if he comes into contact with Element. History will likely just repeat itself.

[bronze turtle]

I am not sure why I love the lore so much

[light slate]

It’s funny how little Ark lore there would be if Helena invited Rockwell to fight the Megapithecus with her or let him know about it before hand

[undone tulip]

its legitamately interesting. I remember first learning about it in early ASE days and wondering why it was just all hidden in explorer notes. Theyve done a good job bringing the story forward as time has passed.

[bold dove]

Or if Rockwell actually took a moment to think "hmm, maybe 'I'm' the one making a big deal out of nothing"

[light slate]

Self reflection is as nonexistent to a narcissist as unicorns

[bold dove]

Rockwell is the embodiment of the "Am I in the wrong? No! Can't be" meme from The Simpsons.

[light slate]

Wait, I messed that up, self reflection is as real as unicorns.. oops lol

[light slate]

Literally though

I wonder if he intended for his notes to be read later on in the story since it basically becomes his manifesto, ie admitting to murdering the Burning Phoenix tribe

[cerulean spoke]

I could've sworn there was a survivor who specifically engineered them to help combat the corruption

[last tendon]

What maps should i play in order to get the lore

[undone tulip]

Pretty much as they came out in ase. Island -> scorched -> aberration -> extinction -> when they come out genesis 1 then 2.

Not sure where lost colony fits yet, but I think it’s after genesis. Someone feel free to correct that if I’m wrong.

[bold dove]

Release order, specifically story maps. Aquatica not included

Note: ASA's release order, not really ASE's

Because Lost Colony is a new canon map that'll take place between Extinction and Gen1.

[last tendon]

I only have ase

[bold dove]

Then release order for story maps, outside of Aquatica

[undone tulip]

Thank you for this correction

[last tendon]

Ok thank you

[mental basin]

Like everyone else here has stated, The Island, Scorched Earth, Aberration, Extinction, Gen1 & Gen2

Aquatica is listed as a story ARK, but it's non-canon because it was made by ARK's corrupt publishers without, and against the wishes of Wildcard

[hollow creek]

and LC if u on ASA, before gen1

[mental basin]

Ja

I just uploaded a 'Story Explained' type Video for Aquatica yesterday, so if you're morbidly curious, check that out instead of giving Snail your money

That is to say, give me your money instead

[main steppe]

Just finished watching it

Now I just feel bad for Studio Sirens

It’s obvious they have a lot of passion for Ark, and did do some genuinely cool stuff both with the map, and its writing

[cerulean robin]

Rockwell deadass has some of the hardest quotes in fiction

[bold dove]

"Wars in heaven, tend to have apocalyptic consequences"

[bronze turtle]

I watched it and it was really good I do have a question what do you think that h l n a ment we she said I am almost running out of time to backup my data

[mental basin]

She was running out of time to make a backup of herself

Before you know

The ship exploded

[bronze turtle]

Fair and loved your video

[mental basin]

Tyty

[bronze turtle]

I honestly think my favorite part of ark is the story

[livid torrent]

@stuck nacelle @dire star @bronze turtle

@lapis vector

[cerulean robin]

"When i set down this pen and begin my final experiment i shall finally achive my ultimate goal. I shall at last look down upon the bumblings of mortal men from high above, on an edmundium throne. So on this day let earth and heaven tremble. Let the rivers of blessed metal sing a song of triumph that echoes forever throughout the depths of these caverns. Let the unworty drown in despair for a great doom aproaches them, and it shall swallow them whole alongside anyone who dared to mock my name! On this day, on this glorious day, I ascend!" Goes hard.

[rain dock]

They got caught in the middle of the war between wc and snail, and they weren't quite good enough to weather it. Granted I doubt anyone could havd

[main steppe]

I will say

The idea of exploring wherever it is that Element came from is an interesting idea

[rain dock]

That's what ark 2 is about iirc

[hollow creek]

really? isn't Arat supposed to be a second change for humanity, why would we explore the origin of element, the concept art till now and what they said, they want to go back to a more primitive/less tek survibal

[rain dock]

If the ship organically went there yeah, but Rockwell hijacked it to go where he wanted to

[main steppe]

I also guarantee there’ll be some sort of tek-alternative

There’s no way it’ll stay primitive for long

[rain dock]

There is a lot they could do with primative thst could be cool. Don't need tek to have a fun game

[main steppe]

Oh, I’m not saying you can’t do anything fun without tek. I’m just saying it’s very likely tek will come back in some form, likely without the use of element.

[rain dock]

Yeah, it will be there. They have hinted it'll be bad tho

[bold dove]

Think the complete origins should stay a mystery.
But I do fuck with the Element cult concept.

While I'd like if The Flood's origins still was a mystery. 343 didn't 'completely' fuck it up, because now the new question is "what fully are the Precursors, and their origins?"
So, they did the good job of replacing an answer with a new mystery.

[heady tundra]

Is the lore in ASA the same as ASE? I found a 2 hr YouTube video. Ive not played ASE ever, only started on ASA Center

[main mural]

there some changes but for the most yes. and then all the extra content like lost colony (bob talking to meeka not the stories themselves)

[heady tundra]

👍

[rain dock]

Other than lost colony, yes it's the same

[mental basin]

Pretty much

But ASA canon overrides ASE canon, in the case of any discrepancies

[spiral fractal]

I guess the new creatures are cannon to the lore as well.

[mental basin]

Not the Fantastic Tames

And a lot of Garuga's Dossiers are errenous because they mention the term 'ARK' before Helena actually learns it

[main mural]

very few creatures matter lore wise anyway

[mental basin]

But the creatures of The Island were pivotal in Helena's arc there

I'll have you know, Diplodocus is crucial to the plot of Genesus 2

[vital plume]

Nah the Dimorphodon more important trust

[mental basin]

Truthnuke

[light elbow]

nah bro it's the Diplocaulus

[lusty coyote]

Yall forgetting about the electric eel

[mental basin]

My hovercraft is full of eels

[fallow sapphire]

My hovercraft! Is full! Of eels!

[night quartz]

(Unironically) Is there a lore reason why Rockwell/Rockwell Prime can't grow legs and squish us? Is he stupid?

[bold dove]

Yes, he is

Can't expect intelligence from an egomanic.

[warped glen]

I don't know about aberrant Rockwell, but Genesis 2 Rockwell has to be directly linked to the body of the ship. He's one with it, so his leggies don't exist. He's like a centaur, but his second half is a spaceship.

Maybe similar line of thinking for aberration

[mental basin]

Well he has legs in Genesis lol

[proper edge]

I believe Genesis 2 Rockwell DOES have legs, but his ass is literally glued to his throne or whatever.

[mental basin]

Yeah, he's got like

40 of 'em

And freaky ass black toenails

[proper edge]

And yet he prides himself on being “impeccably groomed” 😔

[bold dove]

Idiot also glued his legs onto his meat throne

[naive spear]

The boss on Gen 2 seems the most pliable, he could just block the doors. And on the aberration, why did he even stand in the ring and bring the bridge to himself, right in the heart

[proper edge]

Well he is a “gallant gentleman” after all. A little fair play never hurt no one.

[night quartz]

Bro's ego is probably so big he thought he could give the protagonist a false sense of hope only to be defeated, twice

[vital plume]

Thrice if it's the same survivor from ab. I'm still curious if they're going to make it the same character

[night quartz]

I was thinking... if the Island's end credits said Helena died on New Year's Eve 2018, then she might have seen the Big Chungus meme, therefore making it canon to Ark

[bold dove]

ARK the game could be canon now in-universe.

[night quartz]

Helena could've have seen herself in the Extinction ending

[vital plume]

What kind of 4th wall type of situation is that?

[night quartz]

Helena could've also seen Infinity War but not Endgame

[night quartz]

Its probably like seeing yourself in a video game

[main steppe]

This is just getting into Spaceballs: The Tape! territory.

[cerulean robin]

Would u say its a bad take to say that Edmund Rockwell is the best written fictionall character of all time? I think so

[bold dove]

He's a well written character.
Wouldn't personally put him in my top 10's though of actually 'best' written characters.

[cerulean robin]

Fair. Then again i honestly havent explored that many other fictional verses so i guess hes the best in the ones i have

[night quartz]

I would say he is a bit like Jack Horner. Both are villains who want to attain higher powers and has little remose for the people they've killed, yet are simple in their writing just enough to engage with the plot. And I think he serves that role well.

Or maybe I'm crazy idk I have a lot in my mind rn

[cerulean robin]

U r most definitely crazy

[bold dove]

No, no, wait. Let him cook.
He has a point.

I'd say Rockwell is a bit more complicated, only for narrative fact that he actually has an arc unlike Jack Horner.
But yeah, by the end of the day. Both of them are written to be enjoyable vile people that represent the most evil nature that can come to the human heart, in their own narrative ways.

Jack Horner is evil for the sake of it.
Because that's both funny and petty.
Rockwell is evil because he allowed his intrusive thoughts and his fear of death dictate who he wanted to be.

[subtle axle]

He probably can’t reach his own toes, I couldn’t if I had his build 💔

I think it’s really interesting that one of Rockwell’s main motivations for his whole thing was being terrified to die

It’s cool to see characters have “human” fears like dying or pain

Because it reminds us that at the end of the day Rockwell is just that, human. No matter what transforms him or changes his body he was still originally just some guy

And in the world of ark humans are like the 3rd lowest on the food chain

AUHHHGGG I need more Rockwell content or I might explode

[bold dove]

Agreed.
It's something most people can relate to, compared to a more generic "bad because my child died" motivation.

[subtle axle]

A lot of the time in media characters are shown to not have fears or just have really surface level things like being defeated or dishonored or something and they fail to humanize the villains

I think it’s important villains are humanized because it can more deeply impact the audience because they can understand

There’s of course a line between humanizing and just destroying the entire villain story by making them too human but once you find the right balance it’s perfect

[bold dove]

Eehhhhhhh, depends on the narrative you're writing.
You don't want to humanize a villain that's meant to be seen as nothing but evil.
Sauron wouldn't be such an intimidating force if Tolkien decided to humanize him.

There's different categories of antagonist archetypes, and I think they fit pretty well on their own if done right.

[subtle axle]

Absolutely

And I’m mainly referring to human characters turned villain

[bold dove]

But yeah, Rockwell's main focus being the fear of death, and so he allows his ego to get ahold of him, further allowing Element to corrupt his mind is a perfect motivation.
Simple, yet for most people, relatable.
What person that's fearful of death wouldn't want to live longer?

Absolutely ignoring the fact that TAS may or may not be changing his motivation to be that he now is evil because of a dead daughter situation.

[subtle axle]

Pause. I haven’t been keeping up with TAS…

This man found a wife??? And had a kid???

You can lowkey spoil stuff for me because it doesn’t ruin anything for me but like…huh???

[bold dove]

We don't fully know yet. But it seems to be hinted that something happened in his past life for him to be thrown into the loony-bin, and he calls out to someone during Gen2 called "Charlotte". (one of the many, many voice lines his heads (that is drowned out by literally everything else) can say during the Turbulence mission.)

[subtle axle]

Brooo charlotte better be the name of his cat or whatever because I cannot think of any woman who would be within 10 feet of him 💔

Also the loony bin is so funny my “Rockwell got electroshock therapy and that’s why he’s crazy” theory is taking off

[bold dove]

To be fair, at least in the notes. Pre-Megapithicus, he's fairely sane.

[subtle axle]

I know, I just like thinking that he was some specimen that needed to be contained when he lived on earth or something

[bold dove]

Fair

Either way, Rockwell isn't Joel.
His archetype isn't/shouldn't be one of his heart being corrupted due to loss in his life. That's something more fitting towards Nerva or like the Lost King.
Rockwell's archetype is more like Golem/Smeagol.
A easily corrupted/swayed mind that "thinks" they're doing good. But is ultimately just doing the worse actions they can do.

I don't know what's up with me today with these LOTR connections.

But they do be working.

[subtle axle]

Its just that good of media

I think Rockwell being a vulnerable person is really important because to the rest of the crew he’s just some kinda weird guy so he’s the least expected one to become evil

I also think it’s a bit of an important message because anyone can have anything happening and you wouldn’t know it

Remember guys check on your local old man every once in a while because he might just become a slab of proceeded bologna

With bright pink goop leaking out of it and tentacles

[proper edge]

Okay, but did bro really fight off a bengal tiger with nought but an empty flash and his favorite pipe in his youth?

[subtle axle]

His favorite crack pipe probably

He probably makes stuff up to look cool

Or it’s all greatly exaggerated

I would know because I was that kid 💔💔 he just never grew out of it

[mental basin]

Lead relement

[granite stump]

Well- Going off this new crunch with the Ossidon, the reseed protocol’s power couldn’t actually reach the region that the lost colony map is, so this explains why we are seeing some weird looking corrupted, this region just has potentially more adaptive corrupted in this region but also this explains why the corrupted still exists in this area to boot

That and even titans don’t reside here so it’s just that harsh for titans presumably. And if I recall when we seen the new corrupted they mentioned there were levels to this akin to aberration but the lower levels are the most terrifying since that’s where the new fungi corrupted reside but it’s not any better within the city section

[bold dove]

He said he "could've" fought one when he was younger.

[carmine cedar]

My guess is that red element is not just base element but something which has mutated (like any living organism can, remember element is living)

So it’s genetically superior to normal element and can cause the mutation to spread to normal element. So titans which are basically element conglomerated fear it ig

That’s also why the reseed protocol doesn’t target LC, it doesn’t recognise any element in that area since the genetic protocol of red element is mutated further and thus different from normal element

It’s also why we see many creatures mutating and evolving faster since nature is just survival of the fittest, and if something in the ecosystem changes everything else is forced to change faster, to keep up

[granite stump]

I suspect the red element was a genetically modified version of it. I suspect the lost king before the Genesis ships launch caused an outbreak of this stuff and it’s now become the main thing in this region however the region of the lost colony is so out of the way of eveyrthing that even regular corrupted can exist here since there is still the fungi corrupted that are akin to the OG corrupted running around in the outskirts of the region

[carmine cedar]

No the original corrupted are still somewhat “sentient”, I guess they fear the red element as we would fear any infection yk?

Now no matter if I’m a frail child or a strong bodybuilder a genetic infection can affect us all, so both small fry corrupted and titans avoid it?

[kindred burrow]

I wanna say i would compare it to like a blood infection which can lead to your demise and thats why they avoid it due to its nature that if it could get a hold of the other it would destroy thag and infect them maybe aswell

Also what if red element is somethibg that mixed with blood of the people that lived there and it becsm ethe red element which got kind of corrupted or compromised by the arrival of whatever rockwell did there

[carmine cedar]

Yeah the origins of red element is unknown, could be just human experimentation, or a natural evolution of element after millenia on earth, to further adapt to the ecosystem

[kindred burrow]

possible what also came to my mind what if the normal element was exposed to some kind of radiation that made it red like how in batman kryptonite when exposed to radiation turns red iirc

[carmine cedar]

Maybe maybe

Its noteworthy to remember element is not exactly a substance

Its more like a virus, it is a “living thing” so to speak, but it can be used as a substance too, under special conditions

[kindred burrow]

yeah could be many reason who know maybe the lc notes will have lotsa infos on what happened or maybe some notes can also only read with tek helmet visoon to discover their secret

[main steppe]

Man, it feels so weird to finally be going to Arat Prime in a month. Like, I remember reading the signs in Sanctuary using the tek helmet seven years ago, so to see that story finally followed up on…

[mental basin]

Two months lol

[granite stump]

I don’t think it’s a natural evolution. If it was that then it would have spread way farther then it should be on arat prime. This would either imply it was sealed off by someone to keep it restricted in arat prime (which could also explain why the reseed protocol couldn’t affect it) (keeping this stuff contained in its own pocket basically) or this is man made and that person is keeping it contained in arat prime for a specific reason (Purposefully using this to keep things out). Likely to keep the corrupted/corruption in general away from the city since even the titans don’t wish to enter the region. However it’s insinuated by the ossidon’s description in the crunch that it’s the environment more so then the red element itself I feel but that’s just me

Never the less, we can likely gather now why arat prime hasn’t been cleaned up of corruption, it’s likely due to the aberration ark falling within the range of arat prime and it wasn’t able to let its pulse out due to the overseer platform being destroyed. That or it’s just that isolated that no arks are able to even reach it

And as for the Ossidon itself, I suspect this could be where most of the ark guardians originate from but due to the intense environment this triggered insanely drastic measures that forced them to mutate/evolve. the Ossidon likely being an attempt at a megapithicus but it went horribly wrong and was originally supposed to be killed but instead was freed into the frozen wastes. This thing is definitely going to be a problem but also will be the closest thing we got to a tameable megapithicus in the base game outside of cheats which is kinda cool

[strong heart]

Element is basically the largest atomic element on the periodic table aka Edmundium.
Hence, it is why it is able to break down into radioactive isotopes and also break down into organic forms once it gains foothold on natural ground or a foundation .

Also due to the Red element, I suspect we might get new Dino variants as well such as Arat Rex when it was revealed with the Arati people.

[bold dove]

It is a substance, that's why it's abnormal for real life.

It's a literal living metal/crystal.
It acts and grows like an organic virus, but it's completely made out of inorganic materials.

[carmine cedar]

Exactly so the closest likeness of it on earth is a virus

[pine moth]

Isnit that a Meteor Hit Earth / extinxtion/ that stopped moving The Planet and element arrived, could BE that because of the element and the corrupted tames on / DARK Side / arat Prime are evolved diffrent

[pine moth]

I think The organic grows because of the element Like Gen 2

[bold dove]

?

[bold dove]

If I'm interpretating you right. No, the meteor itself didn't stop the planets movement. That was the Corruption digging into the Earth crust after it was already on the planet for centuries.

[civic acorn]

ok

[rapid wave]

right?

[lavish torrent]

yeah

[oak root]

who asked dropper

[rapid wave]

yo give this guy more than swamp fever

hes fostering a hostile environment

[oak root]

don't make me pull out my greater antidote

[compact vigil]

Yo wsg

[granite stump]

Random theory I thought up for lost colony and how it will go

Rockwells touch down on earth causes us to track him down and finish him.

We arrive at arat prime/the lost colony and it’s way worse then even the events of extinction since there’s worse creatures that are more horrific

We likely run into Rockwell during a certain point and we actually hurt him and fend him off. This triggers Rockwell to be more subtle and in the shadows trying to avoid the red element since he likely sees it as a hideous divergent form of element and wishes to purge it for his own means to an end

All the way to the finale we likely face the lost king and queen (Mei yin) and as we get half way through Rockwell makes himself known and either ‘teams up’ with us to put them down or he becomes a secondary boss we gotta beat which results with the king and queens death and rockwells transfer to genesis

[bold dove]

Yeah, I can see that happening.

We know inevitably (unless they retcon it as well) that Earth is completely safe by the events of Genesis.
So this Red Element is only temporary, before it too will be irradicated.

[granite stump]

Thus far we know the reseed protocol can’t reach arat prime so that explains why it isn’t cured of the bad element yet but even then it’s likely due to the aberration ark being offline and unable to do the pulse

[bold dove]

True.
But I'm gonna assume, since Arat Prime is apparently now the "birthplace of the ARK's". That it'll have a prototype reseed protocol, that we'll activate before leaving.

Or we just Tsar Bomba the shit out of the area.
No Tek nukes. Just good old radiation.

[granite stump]

Possibly but another thing is likely it’s just gonna slowly decay and rot and the ecosystem will eventually collapse since it can’t really thrive due to the world now moving again.

[bold dove]

That's assuming Red Element works like that.
The URE/FED tried to do that with normal Corruption.
And even though there was no longer an ecosystem on Earth anymore, it still got only stronger.

[granite stump]

Seemingly there’s a key difference between this red element and the actual corruption/raw element. Red element seemingly is more controlled, likely restrictive since it didn’t try to spread while corruption/normal element seemingly just spreads constantly.

Regular element in general just spreads and evolves, the red element seems oddly static. Atleast going off of how things looked since the region doesn’t seem overly evolved or claimed by red element

[bold dove]

I gave RedGear this theory.
But I'm on the thought that Red Element might've been Arat Primes attempt to completely rework Element.
We know pre-ARK humanity had the technology to literally alter memories and implant new ones, and that's neurological shit.
There's nothing to prevent the residence of Arat Prime to attempt to do the same thing to a strand of Element, causing it to become more volatile then normal Element.

[granite stump]

It’s likely a thing the lost king was doing and he was shunned and he likely injected that new element into himself or into the pure element tek they used to spread its influence across arat prime and cause the genesis ship to launch early

[light slate]

How many new creatures do yall think we’ll get for Lost Colony? Also am I the only one who thinks we might get two bosses

[granite stump]

Well we may get up to 3 bosses

[granite stump]

Recall, Rockwell, Lost Queen (Mei yin) and The Lost King himself

[light slate]

I figured it would just be the Lost King/Queen, imagine fighting Rockwell yet another time

[granite stump]

It’s highly likely or they pull a crazy thing and we work WITH Rockwell to kill the lost king

[bold dove]

Recall?

[bold dove]

I can see that, but that'd only work if they do a Halo 3 situation.

[granite stump]

There’s rockwells faction that’s involved in this situation and it’s been made clear that Mei yin is alive but likely controlled by the lost king to be his queen due to the dialogue being said in one of the trailers

[bold dove]

Oh, right.

[granite stump]

It’s highly likely Rockwell just hates the red element since it’s not pure like the actual element/corruption so there’s a possibility that we do a temporary truce and deal with the king together to likely bypass some sort of mechanic the lost king has that makes him immortal

[bold dove]

Makes me think if that hatred is actually his, or the actual Element hivemind's thoughts seeping through him.

[granite stump]

It’s likely both

We know Rockwell and he’s that obsessed with element and seeing some mockery of it with the red stuff will just set him off and the actual element may see it as some sort of competitor like how an immune system may react to a virus

[bold dove]

Actually, I think a better example would be an immune system reacting to cancer cells.

[granite stump]

Yeah that could be a better example

[bold dove]

Element can't allow this Red Element to live, because not only is it going to act as a competitor. But it could possible take over/mutate normal Element into Red Element. Acting as a direct plague to itself.

[granite stump]

And Rockwell is likely it’s only shot at countering the stuff so it’s a possibility that he needs support at beating the lost king down fully to gain access to the Genesis terminal for the transfer

If we do actually either have to back up Rockwell or Rockwell agrees to a small truce to help us it would actually be a super cool thing I’m not gonna lie

[kindred burrow]

And ya all ready for animated notes?

[granite stump]

Oh yeah animated notes are gonna be a thing

[bold dove]

Hopefully they don't sacrifice in-game cutscenes for MAPPA shit.

I like the MAPPA style, but it'd be a bit jarring to switch between the games artstyle and an animated one for cutscenes set in the moment.

[granite stump]

I suspect the MAPPA animation will be just for the notes while the normal cutscenes will stay in modern time in game

[strong heart]

So there is two monarchs as the lost king and lost queen/ mei yin ?

[granite stump]

Seemingly yes, Mei yin is alive but likely under the lost kings control or she willingly gave up her free will to him since she had no reason to continue

I suspect she willingly gave up her will and now serves as the lost kings partner since she had no reason to keep going

[mental basin]

Remember kids

The N in Mei-Yin stands for NTR

[bold dove]

Oh....I looked that up.

[mental basin]

You are an adult man

[bold dove]

Still can get jumpscared.

I was in images when I searched it.
Worse mistake.

[main steppe]

My favorite part in Gen 2 is when Rockwell says “it’s Rockwelling time!” and Rockwell’s right into the sun.

[livid torrent]

@bronze turtle why u blocked me? I was just flexing my knowledge about JULIEN

[vital plume]

I've been thinking about it and the Ark universe would've been so close to having the technology to have a machine army power by element seeing what they had already

[bold dove]

Like, Terminator style. Or just robots enlisted/used in the military?

[vital plume]

Either seeing what the ark ais were able to achieve it would not be a stretch to have either version of robots fighting for them

Also I think it would be kinda terrifying seeing a terminator type robot with a tek rifle hunting you down in the woods with mechanical foot steps

[bold dove]

There's nothing stopping this from being the case.
We know basically jack shit about the Element War outside of what Santiago has said.

[vital plume]

That sounds terrifying thought seeing it was a century once they both started to lose manpower they resorted to machine warfare never seen before

[bold dove]

Now, a Terminator-style uprising is probably completely off the table. Because that'd be documented history, and possibly even cause the URE/Federation to prohibit AI's.
But we see AI's being used for basic tasks via the Defense Units.
And the Enforcers are basically police officers during The Collapse.

[bold dove]

So, I had this discussion a lot with RedGear.

[vital plume]

Ehh probably only used them for assaults not for daily life seeing it would terrifying seeing those things in the streets policing the populace and might cause a bit of descent if they were Hella strict

would be the only way I would see them being used

[bold dove]

I believe they where made during The Collapse, so civilian opinions where probably minimal.

[vital plume]

Seeing they'd redcon some stuff already if they really wanted to have machines just start popping up nothing is stopping them and its not even that far of a stretch for their universe either xd

[bold dove]

And if crime rate is still a thing during the apoclypse (realistically it would skyrocket). Then replacing human police officers with robots would be the best situation.
You can barely replace the species you're part of that's rapidly dying.
But you 'can' replace a hunk of metal with programming.

[vital plume]

Well my only idea of why they wouldn't use them for police is the enforcers can climb up walls

[bold dove]

The note literally says they're made to police.

[vital plume]

Well police the terminators could've been their version of the swatt team xd

[bold dove]

Sure, and the note does say they're meant for urban combat.
Though I can see it being hard for an Enforcer to go through a small human doorway, or teleport into a cramped room.
So for close-quarters enforcement, they probably did use more humanoid robots.

[vital plume]

I'd also see the URE maybe using them for this new dlc any kind of robots because no way they would actually have the manpower to hold against the other two with how the ending of extinction is trying to find each other and reform the URE would've taken a lot of time unless they had a plan to retake the whole planet under their control right after the arks landed

[bold dove]

Fun thought experiment.
It's more likely that the more later parts of the Element War was more like the Cold War, if it actually became boiling here and there.
We have tiny forcefields in-game that we can use.
IRL we have anti-missile defenses called "domes" (iron dome, golden dome and such)
And we see Sanctuary with a huge ass shield that protects it.
It isn't too much of a stretch to imagine that every major city had one, and nuclear war/Mutually Assured Destrution was thrown out of the window. Since now you can nuke nearby places with actual protection to yourself.
Since New Zealand and the entirty of the West Coast of the US got bombed off the map.

You wanna see 20+ Tsar Bomba's fly.
Go to the Element War.

[vital plume]

I just want to see the dollar store version of the automations in this game ngl. Since we're collecting knock offs of every other franchises like they're infinity stones

[bold dove]

I'm gonna be completely honest.

I hope every faction, including the URE, gets completely annihilated.

I did not spend four maps restoring Earth, just so one of the SAME exact nations can come back and regain power.

[vital plume]

Also it would be very interesting watching robots and vampires duke it out in street warfare

[bold dove]

The SAME fucking nation that participated in the original destruction of Earth.

[vital plume]

URE has unironically the best chance seeing they're not meant to be in a dlc later or holding the planet hostage

They wouldn't care about the colony ship either seeing they gained the planet back over and their former enemies left already

If they won

[bold dove]

I'm gonna assume they're probably going to give us a linear story as usual.
But if somehow, they actually allow us to determine who dominates Earth at the end.
I hope they give us a Fallout: New Vegas-style Independent ending.
Destroy all three factions, and just allow the butt-ass naked people decide new politics and ideologies without the usage of Element.

[vital plume]

I wouldn't think so since 1 of the 4 endings you just laid out would not be cannon also who would actually side with the guy we know poisoned a whole ass tribe and whatever unspeakable things he's done on ab all the people he's killed

Also gensis dlcs exist

[bold dove]

Actually, hear me out.

[vital plume]

Seeing your name no

[bold dove]

Not that type

[vital plume]

Rockwell had no redemption arc what so ever in this whole game

He's probably the worst choice to let govern earth

I think siding with him would be on par with siding your allegiance in 40k to a chaos god

[bold dove]

Saying it out loud.
If they're truly done with Earth's storyline after LC. They could actually allow 'us' to determine the fate of Earth. And leave ARK-2 purely inside of Arat's star system.
They could leave all four of these endings canon, without fucking up Genesis.
We know the ship is gone already, and the only way to it is the super liminal uplink.
Now, hear me out.
At the end of every ending, the super liminal goes offline forever, or just gets destroyed. Preventing anyone like the vampires getting onto the ship and fucking with established lore.
-If we side with the vampires, Rockwell uploads himself and we stay behind on Earth to rule over it.
-If we side with Rockwell, he uploads himself and commands us to stay behind to make sure his will spreads fully on Earth.
BOOM! Two of the "evil" endings can already work without fucking up Genesis. Because Gen1-2 can then be assumed you're a new survivor if you go through this.
The URE/Independent ending could still work, as either or doesn't directly conflict with Genesis.
The ship is a Federation creation, so if the URE had a hitlist for you, the ship wouldn't detect it.
And the URE ending is obvious how that could still work.

Don't think at all this'll be a thing. Just a crackpot idea I thought of.

[bold dove]

Oh 100%
But fuck it, meatballs everywhere.

I doubt ARK will take up having multiple endings.
But just a little thing I thought.

[vital plume]

Siding with Rockwell right before gen would make the ending of gen 2 completely obsolete with that thought he's already won and his return might become a thing seeing whatever the hell the survivor does on the planet seeing how much shit he has with cloning under his belt depending where the link is and if it can just be reopened

Or worse they just know where arat is and a whole ass invasion fleet is made to take the planet over

it wouldn't be the exact same Rockwell but still its mf Rockwell

[bold dove]

Yeah, but the fuck is Rockwell on Earth going to do without a FTL ship?
And Arat is likely so far away from Sol, that it wouldn't matter.
Unless I'm missing something, Element doesn't work like the Flood in information.
Rockwell himself would need to think of schematics and ways to get off world.
His pride and joy of Gen2, the mutated survivors, where falling apart and barely had a consciousness.

[vital plume]

Well it just depends whats in the Ark data base the ftl drives might just be in the Ark's already

or prototypes for them

seeing they were worked on together for the ship and the arks with Magmasours supposedly being for Scorched

[bold dove]

The ARK data base only holds specimen information, if I recall.

Again, just a crackpot idea.

[vital plume]

Idk if Rockwell would even want another planet if he won consolidating power type deal and making sure his will for earth is done before going over to the ship

[bold dove]

To be fair, he does have an entire solar system.
That may take long enough to crave his desires for a bit.

[vital plume]

I think he would've had way more success on the ship if he won uploading an army's consciousness onto the ship with him to highjack the whole thing in one fell swoop

[sand geode]

I was wondering, if all of the Element on Earth was destroyed at the end of Extinction, did that make all Tek useless?

[kindred burrow]

I dobt think it destryoed all i think it only purged the element that was in the soil and air while i wanna say the the one we already accumulated and stored are sonewhat safe aslong as humanity doesbt start world tek war 3 we should be fine

[main steppe]

Now I’m just thinking how cool a prequel game could be where we play as soldiers during the tek war

[vital plume]

If the Element was done it would be interesting what kind of robots they had if any

[granite stump]

I suspect the tek stuff still remains in the world, hell the arks themselves found a way to filter the element back into being pure and not the raw corruption. Just like how the genesis ship did but with the genesis ship they found a way to repurpose it into an endless fuel source if I recall correctly

[bold dove]

Every trace of Element was irradicated.

And you need Element to make whatever alloy Tek uses. As literally every tekgram needs it.
So that'd be like taking all of the gold out of a computer.
Maybe possible to restore it with substants. But that computer is dead unless refixed with a new conductor.

I see some people argue the reason why Sanctuary crumbles, is because of the ARK that lands near it.
So I'll just say these now, just in case.
Firstly, the city crumbles 'after' the reseed protocol, not once it lands.
Secondly, the city crumbles when the EMP reseed protocol happens.
Which, some may argue was due to the force.
But if that's the case, Tek is the strongest alloy in the ARK universe, and everything else would've been blown away, including us.
And the city crumbles 'downwards', not outwards like it's being blown away.
Downwards would more mean they've lost support from the foundation, making them crumble downwards.
So, to me. That more seems like the ARK just Thanos snapped all of the support every building had, causing the city to crumble.

Like remove every last drop of steel/rebar from New York City.
The entiry city would just collapse downwards.

[main mural]

if it was every trace of element the arks themselves would've been destroyed. not to mention the platform you are on.
sancuary was probably just way too close. (it did kinda fall at an angle.)

its just the pollution element thats in the air/soil and stuff. not processed element.

element is still clearly in lost colony so its kinda obvious its not all gone anyway

[granite stump]

I agree with this, tek still exists, element to a degree exists, just the arks makes sure the corruption/bad element is ripped from the soil and purged to nothing leaving only the good stuff and the arks are also able to keep purging the bad element on top of also recycling that bad stuff to keep things clean

But as for the element in lost colony, it was said in the Ossidon crunch that the lost colony map aka arat prime was outside the influence of the reseed protocol meaning it didn’t receive the pulse so bad element aka corruption still exists as seen with the fungal looking corrupted in a prior crunch

[main mural]

probably was what the aberration ark was supposed to do.

it did kinda break lol

[granite stump]

Very likely since it landed within range of arat prime

[mental basin]

TLDR just to be clear, there is no 'bad Element'

All Element is bad in a sense, except most of the refined stuff

I say most, because the Artifacts have been shown to have a very negative effect on the most weak-willed of Survivors

[main mural]

thats probably on purpose tho

[mental basin]

The Artifacts? Certainly not

Survivors are definitely intended to seek them out, sure, but instances like, uhh, what was his name

The 4Channer from Aberration, Boris

[main mural]

why not? if they get effected clearly they aren't the intended strongest

[mental basin]

Oh, are you implying Element lured them in intentionally, or the Artifacts were designed to lure in the weak-willed intentionally

Because if you're meaning to say it was the Element's doing, then 💯% lol

Oh, and another note

The Element we see on Extinction is just Element in its natural forme

It's not 'Corruption'

Corruption is a """byproduct""" of Element

They're kiiinda one in the same, but there's enough of a distinction to differentiate them on a technical level

[bold dove]

One can also argue that the moment Rockwell discovered an artifact, it was all down hill from there.

[mental basin]

Yeppers

But I don't really think the Artifact made him go insane like a lot of people suggest

It just did what Element do and nudged him in that direction

Rockwell had a better head on him than say, Boris, because Boris went straight into insanity upon coming into contact with the Artifact (with the help of Rockwell)

[bold dove]

He can correct me, but I believe he means the ARK's themselves.
Like how an Overseer weeds out people. The byproduct of Element was intended to make sure weak-minded people die before ascending.
Or else you get someone like Rockwell that survives, and becomes 'too' obsessive.

[main mural]

thats what I meant from the artifacts part. obviously the element also does it tho.

[bold dove]

Also, Stel. If I may ask.
Is there anything to indicate that the reseed protocol only targets specific types of Element, or just 'all' Element?

[main mural]

boris' notes don't mention element just going through the "tek cave" on aberration

[mental basin]

Oh, uhhh nah I don't think so

People were very much not intended to get the Element-crazies aboard the ARKs, certainly not from the Artifacts

In the few instances where they were supposed to, the Overseer would be there to step in

[bold dove]

So, yet another oversight from the ARK creators.

[main mural]

my thought process was. its the artifact telling him what he is supposed to do. but he is way too weak and he went insane instead of understanding it.

[mental basin]

Not really an oversight if the ARK is supposed to prevent such cases

[bold dove]

Oh, that's true.

Fucking OverZeus over here just striking down Rockwell wannabes.

[mental basin]

Close, I interpert is more like

The Element the Artifact consists of (because the Artifact is just a big Element key) lures in the weak-willed in order to "consume" them in a sense. Insanity is just a part of that.

[bold dove]

Also, reason why I ask about the reseed protocol. Is because I always interpretate the collapse of Sanctuary as the complete annihilation of Element in the region. Including all of the support Element would give.

[mental basin]

The Artifacts themselves aren't designed to do that, either

[main mural]

I don't think its really element crazy. boris was talking about tek cave and the overseer not trying to use element or anything.

[main mural]

the platform you stand on is still working tho

[mental basin]

He just didn't get that far

He does mention Element in one of his Notes, and IIRC he also obsesses over the Element which forms thbe Artifact itself

[bold dove]

Titanium.

[main mural]

I don't think it touches stable element

[mental basin]

He just didn't get as far as Rockwell did because he got Ravager'd

[mental basin]

This is correct, as the ARK 'pillars' are filled with (assumedly) stable Element

[granite stump]

We had this discussion already in the past, when I mean corruption/bad element I mean the harmful stuff that’s clearly causing the major problems. Refined element/in general tek hardly is that much of an issue besides it causing small particles to enter the air and spread small quantities of it. With the arks touching down and seemingly purging the most harmful stuff aka the element in the soil and corruption in general that’s causing the bad stuff on earth gone and with how the arks in general function, earth can kinda live in peace with tek since it can filter and repurpose the stuff back into usable element like how the environments did up in space

[mental basin]

@bold dove Go enablespectator on Aberration Ascended, and you can see that the pillar internals are the same Element formations seen in the Obelisks

[main mural]

he mentions "strange metal" before getting the artifact. no other mention that could be element

[mental basin]

That's Element lol

He doesn't know it by name for obvious reasons

[bold dove]

Huh.
So why does Sanctuary collapse in the most lackluster way during the reseed protocol?

[mental basin]

He's not egotistical enough to call it Borismundium

[main mural]

yeah, but prior to getting the artifact. so its not related to him going crazy about it being the key

[mental basin]

The ARKs are terraforming space stations, they blew it up

[bold dove]

Oooooh, I get it.

[granite stump]

Simple shockwave from the pulse nothing more nothing less

[mental basin]

Those two things go hand-in-hand. It was foreshadowing above all else

[main mural]

it does get pushed away. its probably just from it being way too close

[bold dove]

Literally removing all traces of Pre-Collapse civilization to allow a complete hard restart?

[mental basin]

I mean yeah

Kaboom baby

[bold dove]

Okay.
Because if it would souly the shockwave, I feel like that'd be the equivalent of a Tek Nuke going off, and we'd be pushed as well.
Wildcard has stated Tek is the strongest alloy known to man.

[main mural]

wouldn't surprise me. I'd hope they know how bad they got. don't want people to follow it.

[bold dove]

Fucking just launches The Survivor 20+ miles away.

[main mural]

the platform you on could've protected you 🤷

[granite stump]

You’re overthinking it

[main mural]

it was a super element one. clearly designed to be a watching platform

[bold dove]

Or did Wildcard 'under'think it.
jk

[main mural]

nah, they wouldn't do that

[bold dove]

Surely not.

"The birthplace of the ARK's.
Arat Prime!"

[mental basin]

Peter when I get you Peter

[bold dove]

I wonder if that's Peter, or Jeremy that fucked that up.

[granite stump]

I’m pretty sure it was kiiiinda established that back in genesis with the second Santiago that the farm was one of the first arks which ended up being made within arat prime since the whole spree of events there took place AT arat prime due to the genesis ships creation

[mental basin]

That wasn't established because The Farm was orbitting the Earth

[bold dove]

So, serious question.
Why wouldn't the ARK's target 'all' Element, if the point of the reseed protocol is to restore life to an Elementless Earth?
Couldn't stable Element be used by future generations, and burned into fuel?

[mental basin]

He had to get on a shuttle out of Asia with Uma to track it down

[granite stump]

I’m pretty sure by the time of the genesis ships launch was about a similar time when the arks launch. Unless the events was just weird

[mental basin]

Maybe it does, maybe it all just stops working after everything is said and done, along with The System. Dunno. We can't say.

[main mural]

I think its more of they can't. stable element is just that. stable. much harder to zap away then not stable element.

[mental basin]

Yeah but I don't see how that's relevant here lol

Both launched years after San2iago got blown to kibbles & bits by Yongki

[bold dove]

You know, fair point.
There wouldn't be much use for those anymore, if the ARK's completed their goal.

[main mural]

you are also giving too much credit to people who thought the arks were a good plan 😂

[mental basin]

Stupid Uma stupid Transhumans

[bold dove]

Like.
Better then nothing. 🤷

[granite stump]

The point I’m trying to mention here is if the farm was established to be made around arat prime then it should be one of the first arks. Unless I’m mistaken which could easily be the case

[mental basin]

That's the thing though, The Farm ISN'T established to have been made around Arat Prime

[main mural]

if you didn't happen it would've been worse 😂 then another set of worse if genesis didn't happen.

[mental basin]

Here's the stupid timey liney

The System was developed in Sanctuary

After that, the Proto-ARKs were developed around it, also in Sanctuary

[granite stump]

To our knowledge it was made by the system at sanctuary anyway

[mental basin]

Helena Deus says it verbatim in Note #2

[granite stump]

It’s likely arat prime lended their data to sanctuary of whatever they figured out since they were in communications to one another before arat prime launched the genesis ship and sanctuary went dark due to the titans

[mental basin]

Once those were through, The Farm eventually came into being

Now, I don't remember for sure, but it's been thrown around in idea form that The Farm is meant to be The Island
If this is the case, then The Farm was also constructed at Sanctuary, seeing as The Island lands right into the crater in the ending

If this is NOT the case, then there still is zero confirmation that The Farm was constructed at Arat Prime, since we know nothing of where it was built

[main mural]

just because it landed near sactuary doesn't mean it was made there. things can move in space.

[mental basin]

Nah-ah-ah, again, Helena says VERBATIM in Note #2 that this isn't the case

[granite stump]

I don’t think the island and the farm are the same. I feel the farm is a whole separate ark but that’s a separate discussion

[mental basin]

Which is why I gave two examples

[granite stump]

In which map?

[mental basin]

Ext

[main mural]

also I don't even think the one that landed next to sancuary is the island

actually might be

looks weird but maybe I just don't remember red ob lol

[mental basin]

This is true, but if we're going off of what the developers were implying with the whole 'Coming full circle' thing that this represents, then I take it that The Island originated there and simply returned to its landing spot

Also, all of the ARKs we see are static in nature. Take a look at the ARK Ascended loading screen- they all rotate with the planet in unison as a network.

The only ARK which ISN'T in unison, is Aberration

[main mural]

yeah, but that doesn't mean they started in that same thing. I very much doubt they had thousands of different launch sites lol

[mental basin]

Which was a detail added in ASA, which explains how it hit the dark side of the planet despite being near The Island and Scorched Earth in the Overseer Arena

And this is likely due to the death nuke the Tek Tribe used to knock it out of the array

[mental basin]

They

Did

That's the whole point of the ARKs

?? 😭

[main mural]

landed in different spots doesn't mean started in different spots

[mental basin]

Because yes, they launched 100 ARKs around Arat Prime and turned the launch site into a massive gravel pit.

No, the ARKs were constructed all around the planet, and there are ARK-sized holes everywhere.

[main mural]

they were kinda in the middle of a war with element lol.
they just happened to be able to contruct all these around the planet?

[mental basin]

The Element War ended years before they had begun construction on the ARKs, yes.

[main mural]

not element war. war with element as in the corruption

[bold dove]

And The Farm was one of, if not the first ARK in orbit. Right?

[mental basin]

The Corruption didn't exist until the ARKs had completed construction...

[mental basin]

The first ARK, yes.

[main mural]

wasn't that the titans? why else were they making them lol

[granite stump]

Uhhh checked and I don’t think that explained how that couldn’t be a thing

[bold dove]

But Element 'pollution' was a major problem, right?
Because why make the ARK's anyway if there was no problem?

[bold dove]

The titans I thought where formed after the ARK's left

[main mural]

yeah, right at the end

[mental basin]

Entirely my bad, I referenced the wrong note

[main mural]

they were already losing tho. if they weren't why make the arks and genesis ship lol

would make no sense

[mental basin]

Wait, no I didn't

[granite stump]

Was about to say all it was referring to was Helena mentioning the arks being likely the reason why everything on the earths surface isn’t uninhabitable. That being the stations likely form a protective layer around the earth

[mental basin]

Ahem, ahem, ahem

"It is here where the System was born, and the prototype was forged around it."

Sanctuary is where The System came into being, and the Proto-ARKs followed quickly thereafter.

[mental basin]

Because the planet WOULD be uninhabitable in like a decade. They had the time.

[main mural]

the ark in the extinction cutscene isn't very snowy but the placement of the mountains is definitely the island so that part is true

[bold dove]

So, Sanctuary was the birthplace of The System.
Which then they used The System to make the Proto-ARK's.
Then they finally made a more finalized first-generation of traditional ARK's via The Farm. With the rest being built off of The Farm?

[mental basin]

Yes, it's The Island, and the devs fucked it up lol.

They fucked it up in the Island Ascension too, the Obelisks are all misplaced there as well.

Wildcard loooves their consistency, mm mm mmmm

[main mural]

probably the old layout

the obelisks moved on the island

[mental basin]

Mayhaps, mayhaps

[granite stump]

I’m checking this through a video showing all the Helena notes in chronological order on extinction and I assume the second one is note 2, it doesn’t say anything about that quote at all

[mental basin]

Bingo, ten billion points

[mental basin]

Are you checking Extinction Chronicles or She Who Waits Notes

[granite stump]

I would check myself but I’m not on extinction and I don’t have the notes on hand

[mental basin]

I'm referencing She Who Waits

[granite stump]

Im looking at the original extinction notes since you didn’t really specify

[mental basin]

Heugh lemme pop open ASA to make my point, then I gotta diperoni

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spoilers

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I am He Who Shits

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could just use the wiki lol. they are all listed in text

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I keep forgetting about the wiki… I don’t usually use those since I don’t often trust them for full details

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its just copied text. can't really have missing details

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Yeah, I can't send a screenshot in here but I just confirmed in-game

[granite stump]

Sometimes they’re bad when it comes to details, atleast in certain stuff

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Actually, it's missing a lot of the Explorer Note addendums, but that's besides the point

Le McTheory, busted

Until Jeremy decides to retcon everything for the sole purpose of making me look like an asshat

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Still gonna assume that arat prime provided some sort of data that gave the ark project the go ahead progress that started it fully at sanctuary lol

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lost colony incoming

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I need to know where you're getting these gifis/images from xd

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Just know that Arat Prime was Federation-owned, whereas Sanctuary was URE

They weren't on the best of terms but, I shan't try and dissuade you

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Anyway I want to know if you'd be fine if they'd ever add Terminator type robots into the game? It would be lore friendly too

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they were at least sharing stuff towards the end. like santiago

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Like a fucking collection plate lmaooo

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sir 5rm8 is the only robot we getting

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Don't want to have your private robot military?

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We got Meks, we got Droidika, I can see it

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By the time of the genesis and arks starting they had come to a truce so if anything some of the people may have not had much bad blood unlike some others and it’s likely a fed thing that they ended up giving the URE something to work with. Actually maybe the feds had the idea for the arks first but they didn’t like the idea but gave the data over to the URE for them to give it a shot (which was a bad idea-)

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please know that I have no idea what will be in lost colony 😂

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why are there 4 santiagos original one, ark clone, genesis ship clone, arat clone.

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Wasn’t the arat clone the same as the genesis one?

Just new body same memories?

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How would you feel if we had street to street combat in the dlc with Vampires and Robots battling for control over the city?

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if sir 5rm8 is anything to go by nope

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Eh, better terms then nuking each other

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I can't give him a Tek rifle to fight people with

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we don't know. won't know until ark 2 or maybe bob true notes I guess.

he may have the memories from making the ship. or he just knew more since they didn't wipe his memories in that life (from original santiago)

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Dude, 50+ Sir 5rm8's throwing hands would be so funny.

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them all running in circles and stopping for no reason

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I think it is since the one on aberration aka the one who died on extinction may honestly be a different one since that one has the memories of the tek war unlike the one on the genesis ship and when he says “respawned again” it could be in reference to him being repeatedly reformed and destroyed due to Uma

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They're actually really good, when it fucking works.

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mine usually does. its a lag thing

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Call me a Boomer, but Santiago should've stayed dead with Extinction.

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yeah, hopefully it gets confirmed but currently its just a guess.

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No no you got a point.

And people say they used Rockwell too much

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Doing a story playthrough, and got to Extinction.
I need to reinstill a robo-farm.

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rockwell only came back twice. santiago did 3 times lol

[bold dove]

Rockwell actually has a reason to come back. As we've never killed him until Gen2.
Santiago actually just dies like four times.

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I'm not counting cmc as thats not even rockwell. and it'd just be gen2 one anyway.
rockwell really hasn't even died yet. its all just one guy

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I’m fine with Rockwell personally since he is labelled as an overseer but Santiago… bro has the biggest plot armor

Well… would it be classed as plot armor even if he dies but comes back???

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tbf, he came back for the genesis ship because he was used to make it.

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-Aberration ARK forcefully pulls him back to allow ascensions to still be a thing.
-I assume he'll run away at the end of LC.
-He hyjacked an AI to use as his avatar in the simulation, so killing the AI wouldn't do anything to the real Rockwell.
I don't know, his appearances makes sense to me.

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then the one in ark 2 is likely because he was "saved"

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Yeah that one’s fair since he is a high tiered engineer

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I hope rockwell isn't the boss of lost colony 😂

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I hope he's "a" boss. But not 'the' boss.
That should stay with the Lost King.

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I got a crackpot theory, we likely gotta team up with Rockwell in the finale in a temporary truce against the lost king

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Hell, would be cool if he was purely an optional boss instead of a required one.

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if rockwell is the boss that'd make 4 different rockwell bosses counting cmc

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Four Santiago's.

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You say that just you wait down the line wc might run out of ideas and say hey let's bring him back

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yeah, demote him to moeder. make him not even give tek replicator

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Bruh

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Ah yes, the ARK-2 Rockwell.
Makes no narrative impact, and ruins his arc.
But he's back because "fuck you, it's cool"

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Unironically, yeah.

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pretty sure if we see him. it'd just be of santiago killing him

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I’m willing to bet you he’s gonna be the devil on that girls shoulder while Helena is her angel lol

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I think if they actually do bring him back him being a human would be ironic

Nothing more

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if its a new rockwell. doesn't really ruin his ark. just starts it over

thats the wrong ark...

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If I recall that new girl that’s apparently Santiago and Diana’s daughter is able to speak to Helena to an extent, maybe she can speak with Rockwell too just for funny plot reasons

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Bro if she talks to Rockwell we're going to have Rockwell jr type shit

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Maybe even that could be a plot point that she ends up following the path of wanting to bring Diana back due to element since she did mention that in a bobs tall tale

This could definitely spark some Rockwell 2.0 type crap if that is what happens

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arc*

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yeah I said that. not gonna fix it tho

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arc*

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I've been thinking about it. How fucked up would it be if she really was Rockwell's daughter but has false implanted memories of being Santiago's daughter and Santiago has the same implanted memories too