lore-nerdz

[mental basin]

I have a personal theory, but it's just my own explanation which isn't at all canon- though it uses evidence left by the environmental storytelling in the area.

We're told by Helena Deus that Element ran deep beneath Sanctuary, and people harvested it en masse.

One interesting thing to note, is the existence of those strange, spinelike pipes we see in the Sunken Forest Cave. They're reused from Aberration, and internally, are called 'Element Extractors'.

My crackpot theory is that The Forest™️ was build on top of the Element extraction operation, and due to the scale of the mines, it sunk into the already-dug caves beneath the surface.

Like I said though, not considered canon.

Extinction
Extinction
Gen 2
Extinction

[bold dove]

That actually seems likely.
Doesn't Element grow from converting mass into Element?

[tulip scaffold]

But why Build a proto ARK above it

But yes Sounds likely

extinction / aberration
extinction
extinction / abberation
extinction

[mental basin]

Why not? I mean, if they knew it was gonna sink, they wouldn't have built it.

[tulip scaffold]

A big Platform with a very high Tower above a cave

What could Go wrong

[bold dove]

Think he's saying it wasn't a cave before, but a source of Element

Only became a cave when the Element was harvested fully.

[tulip scaffold]

These ARK were Build when Element was harnest fully atleast almost

[mental basin]

Element is self-replicating, there was no 'fully harvesting' it.

[bold dove]

Element grows I believe in defiantly, so there's no "fully harvesting" it.

Stel can correct me, but I believe if a chunk of Element is thrown onto the ground, given enough time, it'll covert the dirt underneath it into more Element.

[tulip scaffold]

Do we know how many arks were in space

[bold dove]

Hundreds

[tulip scaffold]

I know I know

[bold dove]

If not thousands.
Exact number I believe isn't confirmed.

[tulip scaffold]

I think thanks to aberration the reseed Protocols Element purge faild so thanks to it’s malefunktion the area near it will not 100% be Element free

Just my head Canon but I think that Aberrations malefunktion could be a Future Problem

[tulip scaffold]

We saw Many so likely

[bold dove]

Yeah, depends if how large each ARK's pulse is.
But **IF ** there's any Element left near Aberration, that may be the subplot of Lost Colony. To possibly find a way to rid it.
Arat Prime might have some form of the pulse the ARK's had to keep away the Corruption.

We know during The Collapse, the URE and Feds shared a fuck ton of their technology with each other.

[tulip scaffold]

Was it even planned that aberration landed near arat Prime

[bold dove]

I believe so.
The main issue stems from the fact one of the pillars on Aberration are destroyed, which fucked up its landing sequence and caused it to crash.

[tulip scaffold]

We know it’s oberseer room was bombed up so the system needed a new overseer

[bold dove]

Yerp

[tulip scaffold]

Is this Why (forgott his name ) is the knew one

So the System chose him

[bold dove]

Rockwell?

[tulip scaffold]

Yes

[bold dove]

Didn't really 'choose' him. More that he accidently fell into the position and the ARK said "fuck it, we ball."

[tulip scaffold]

lol

Why do the ark even need one

[bold dove]

To oversee the ARK

[tulip scaffold]

The system runs automatically

[tulip scaffold]

What humans are doing

Or what to oversee. Scorched earth city was destroyed by the system but was it the overseer?

[bold dove]

Correct.
The System if I recall is just an AI that doesn't really do complex tasks outside of its algorithms it was programmed to do.
An Overseer has more intelligence to know when/how to handle situations on an ARK.
The System can preserve data of life and keep the population of an ARK steady. But it's the Overseer that decides when a civilization gets too large and needs to be reset.
Stel can again correct me if I'm wrong.

[mental basin]

To my knowledge it ain't a convertion resource, it doesn't convert nearby matter into Element, it just grows out of itself.

[bold dove]

Ah, so flat out just self replicating.
Infinite money glitch.

[mental basin]

The only time we see matter being converted like this is in Genesis, when Rockwell is turning the Ship into rotten Rockwell flesh™️.

[bold dove]

"I'm making my own people!"

[tulip scaffold]

So Rockwell controlled complete aberration or was he just a boss the system needed to give a challenge for humans who wants to aasend

[tulip scaffold]

Don’t let the government see this

[bold dove]

Believe it's both.
The System needed something so possible survivors could ascend onto the next ARK, but Rockwell as an Overseer has access to the ARK and infinite knowledge.

Like the motherfucker knows about Titans when he shouldn't.
Man probably has access to the ARK version of Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia

[tulip scaffold]

Bro got a big Promotion

From human to an ark

That’s a career

[bold dove]

[tulip scaffold]

When we defeated him and other overseers are the also respawning?

The overseers respawn

[bold dove]

Correct.
Technically an Overseer can't die, as they're a Homo-Deus. They just can't do shit anymore since their only way of physically interacting with the world (the Overseer shell) is destroyed.
And this only happens on Aberration.

[tulip scaffold]

Rockwell i always thought the system just uses his dna construct cause the og overseer is death but he can’t do anything

[bold dove]

Nah, if anything the Aberration Homo-Deus is just staring at Rockwell like.

[tulip scaffold]

But when the overseers are Home Deus like Helena why is the system flawed ? The big problem was that the bar was set to high. People could not reach it

The system set it so high the overseers are doing what the system tells them or how does their dinamic work

[bold dove]

Because the ARK's where never meant to last this long.
The URE thought Corruption would die off to a degree, so they just hopped everything onto the ARK's and pissed off in hopes the Corruption would subside enough that they can come down and finish it off.
But Corruption only got stronger over time, and so this caused the Reseed Protocol to be delayed by hundreds to thousands of years.
And with the Corruption getting stronger, The System notices this and increases the standard for a survivor to reach Earth. To the point now it's impossible without breaking the ARK's and forcefully going onto Earth yourself (the portal from Aberration)

[tulip scaffold]

Ah so the homo deus shell respawn after assending and defeating them but aberration the method they used was a bit to much

[bold dove]

And the ARK's are so old, that even the Overseer's have lost any and all sense of their original selves.
While they are Homo-Deus's like Helena. They've lost their humanity, and became basically just ghostly computers with the mindset of the most objectively correct mindset.

[bold dove]

Well, we never destroy a shell.

[tulip scaffold]

To be fair you could build the portal with out behaving like a terrorist

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah that’s how the system was programmed but the overseers who was a human could change that

[bold dove]

Counter point.
Don't clone a bunch of soldiers from opposing sides during a Global War and give them a reason to be pissed off and unite by being stuck on an artificial environment.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah sounds right

[bold dove]

Hindsight, probably wasn't the smartest idea to bring back one of the smartest people of all time into an ARK that they could decipher.

That Overseer kind of got that one coming.

[tulip scaffold]

The Complete plan was flawed. They just had luck Helena was smart

[tulip scaffold]

Ah ok

Whait why aren’t they decaied

[bold dove]

It's basically flawed in the sense that it wasn't meant to last thing long, and now everything is decaying.

[tulip scaffold]

Another flaw. Give enough time and all the overseers will despawn

[bold dove]

That's not how that works I believe.

[tulip scaffold]

Enough time the lost their mind cause to much information and it’s very hard to keep your identity

That makes Helena more expressive

[bold dove]

Correct, but they've already gone through this.

That's why the Overseers seem so cold and act like A.I's now. Even though they used to be humans.

Helena over her lifetime will slowly become like this.

[tulip scaffold]

Why are the deus ok with getting put in that shell

[tulip scaffold]

Nah she’s build different

[bold dove]

Because it was either that, or allow humanity to go extinct.
It was kind of a self sacrifice ordeal.

[tulip scaffold]

The arks don’t need oversees the system can do all the work for them

We have Rockwell as one and what does he does ? Nothing just getting more and more insane

[bold dove]

Nope, it's actually effecting her now.
She's more monotone in the Extinction ending then she described herself in the notes. (or in The Animated Series, even though that isn't canon)
She still enjoys subjective things, like wanting to see the real sun rise again. But she's already has lost some of herself.
She just hasn't fully yet, because she's the youngest Homo-Deus currently.

[bold dove]

We just established earlier why that's not true

[tulip scaffold]

That stuff seems like the system could handle

[bold dove]

But it literally can't.

[tulip scaffold]

To look when a civilization gets to big is not that big of deal

To need them to handle situation when human emotions and not rational thinking is needed is reasonable

But that went away through time

[tulip scaffold]

But look at the arriving on extinction. She gets a human voice and also remembers everything

And that would explain why the use Rockwell as a new oversee

But shouldnt he die through old age sometimes?

[mental basin]

Wrooong

The System is essentially the 'supercomputer' backbone of the ARKs, but it ain't actually a supercomputer

It's more of a concept, or a supercomplex 'process' than something tangible

The Overseer is a manufactured Homo Deus 'proxy' in physical form, since the Homo Deus couldn't oversee The System past a point

Have no clue what you mean by "The System can preserve data of life and keep the population of an ARK steady." and I don't think it's particularily relevant

[bold dove]

Wasn't the reason why Reapers and Wyverns where on Extinction where because the Proto-ARK's where linked with The System?

[mental basin]

And as for civilization resets, it's most likely The System passing down the 'rule' of resetting progress to the Obelisks, since they act independently of the Overseers

Even with Aberration's Overseer splayed across the cosmos, the Obelisks, and by extension, Aberration itself, was hellbent on blowing up the Tek Tribe

The Obelisks are observational superstructure sentries

[bold dove]

Fair

So what's the point of an Overseer?

[tulip scaffold]

Exactly

[tulip scaffold]

Maybe This

[mental basin]

Double fact checked, according to Soskin '- Depends on the ARK. Each Overseer would determine when things have gone "too far" and its time for a reset based on individual circumstances.'

So I guess I'm wrong, but this sentence also directly contradicts what we see on Aberration

Anyways, I gotta head back out

[tulip scaffold]

But what’s now the Point of one

[mental basin]

It's in the name

They Oversee

Like the Gaurds in Squid Game

[tulip scaffold]

That Job can easy the system do

[bold dove]

So, we don't know since the writer states one thing while Aberration shows another.

[tulip scaffold]

Whos right is the question

[rotund coyote]

Do you learn all this from the notes in game

[mental basin]

No. The System doesn't do that. The System is more of the 'rules' than the 'functions' or 'actions'.

[bold dove]

Some things where confirmed outside in a Reddit QnA from the original writer.

Most of the lore though is from the notes

[mental basin]

Notes, talking to the writers themselves, environmental storytelling, etc.

[tulip scaffold]

So the system is the Rule set and the oversee is the Guy punishing

[mental basin]

Bingo

[bold dove]

Systen is the government while Overseers are wardens of their respective prison.

[tulip scaffold]

Isnt it a Bit Overkill to sink a city underground

[bold dove]

Belive it was due to the fear of resources running out.

[mental basin]

Nah, the Survivors of Nosti weren't fighting to survive or getting stronger at all, so the ARK had to clip their wings.

[bold dove]

Welp, I'm wrong again

[tulip scaffold]

Oversee can handle the cituation how he wants. And the System say what is wrong

To need them to handle situation when human emotions and not rational thinking is needed

But that has gone missing thanks to time

[bold dove]

Yeah, I assume the standards of the ARK's when first launched where more harmless compared to today.

[tulip scaffold]

System says humans arent doing anything oversee do Something and it’s sinking a City

[bold dove]

I assume Nosti might've been able to survive if it was set in the earlier years. But as the ARK's decay and the standards for literally everything increase due to the Corruption getting stronger, I can imagine that being the reason why the Overseers and The System are so ruthless now.

[bold dove]

To be fair, there where a bit of warning shots before.

Nosti had issues with mantises that where hella smart before they dealt with them.

[tulip scaffold]

The oversee lost his humanity

[bold dove]

Then Nosti had to deal with some Wyverns, but those also got tooken care of.

[mental basin]

If you've played through The Island and gone into the Caves, you can see that there's tons of sunken and destroyed ruins beneath the ARK's surface. One of the Snow Caves just straight up has like, a monastery inside of it. Even the Tek Tribe describes seeing Tek ruins deeper into Aberration, left by another long-gone group of Survivors, who were most likely as advanced as they were. John also describes finding another, seperate city from Nosti destroyed by the Obelisks across the desert. He died there, too.

The ARKs have sunken and destroyed dozens of civilizations which far predate The Ones Who Try Again.

[tulip scaffold]

That Why his punishment are getting so extreme

[mental basin]

The Overseer isn't human, it's an unfeeling robot.

Its existence is only to follow The System's rules.

[tulip scaffold]

But wherent they humans

[mental basin]

No.

[bold dove]

Aren't the Overseers Homo-Dues's?

[tulip scaffold]

And to think of a solution / punishment for non-compliance

[tulip scaffold]

Now I’m cunfused

[mental basin]

The Overseers are mechanical proxies created to Oversee the ARKs under The System. They are/are able to be intertwined with a Homo Deus, but the Homo Deus doesn't at all retain themselves, at least not as we see them.

[tulip scaffold]

And of Not human Why did the System Chose Rockwell as it’s oversee

[mental basin]

Rockwell just got lucky. The System didn't choose him, he was just at the right place in the right time, and was somehow accidentally intertwined with the ARK. Most likely through the Element empowering him, in some way shape or form.

[bold dove]

Oh, okay. So it's more like the mechs from Titanfall where the Homo-Deus can intertwine with the Overseer, but the Overseer is its own independent robot.
Or is it more like they flat out fuse together?

[mental basin]

The Homo-Deus can intertwine with the Overseer, but the Overseer is its own independent robot, at least as we see it in our time.

[tulip scaffold]

What do you mean with Interwined and Not retaim them self

[mental basin]

'Became one with'.

[bold dove]

So a fusion of a form

[mental basin]

Rockwell was 'linked'.

[tulip scaffold]

If we kill him he will respawn like all other oversee

[bold dove]

I assume since Homo-Deus's are just energy, they intertwine with the Overseers like a ghost does to a robot.

[tulip scaffold]

So that’s what Helena did to enable respawn

[tulip scaffold]

So the Eyes of the oversee

[mental basin]

Nobody actually 'kills' him until we come along. The Tek Tribe thought they did, but they failed. The only other Survivors Rockwell fights are us, and we don't kill him either.

We wound him, and he eventually makes it back to Earth.

[mental basin]

Most likely, yeah.

[tulip scaffold]

What do you mean with contodicts with what we See on aberration

What is different from the Statement from the Story writer

[bold dove]

During the Aberration notes, pre-Rockwell mutation the Obelisks start to act up and seemingly are about to destroy the Tek-Tribe's village like Nosti, even without an Overseer.

Though the original writer, same one that did Aberration contradicts this in his Reddit QnA and states that task is exclusive to an Overseer.

[mental basin]

Right, the Overseer wasn't present when the Obelisks were set to destroy the Tek Village.

[tulip scaffold]

The Obelisk coud be the punishment the oversee wants to do

[mental basin]

The Overseer was gone.

[bold dove]

Nuked

[mental basin]

They blew it up, and completely destroyed it.

Spread across the stars like a cosmic puzzle.

[bold dove]

This was after Aberration got fucked, but before Rockwell mutates.

[tulip scaffold]

Oh so maybe the system did thinks while the oversee was missing

[mental basin]

Like I said, The System doesn't do that

What we're saying is that the Obelisks seemingly acted on their own accord in this situation

[tulip scaffold]

Like our Brain. When Parts are destroyed other Brain areas try to do the Part what the now Missing Part was doing

[mental basin]

Mayhaps, mayhaps

[bold dove]

Obelisks where the ones doing this, as they're sentinels.
Issue is, again, the writer himself states otherwise and in his Reddit QnA contradicts his own writing by saying that the task to destroy civilizations is an Overseer exclusive thing.

[bold dove]

That could make sense.

Random ass IRL fact.
Y'all know what organoids are?

[tulip scaffold]

An organoid

[bold dove]

Basically they're grown organs.

And from what I've researched, we where able to grow back in early 2024 a tiny undeveloped version of a human brain.
They where like pea sized, but still, homegrown brains.

[tulip scaffold]

What

Op

[bold dove]

The research stopped and they stopped growing them because it was feared that the brains might've formed some form of sentients like a freshly born baby.

And to be fair.
Growing a basically human baby via just the brain, with sensorily deprivation sounds pretty morally questionable.
But conceptually, that's pretty cool.

[tulip scaffold]

Havent they grown Organs not brains

Brain Sound a Bit of extrem

,,Cerebral organoids can be used to grow specific brain regions and transplant them into regions of neurodegeneration as a therapeutic treatment. They can fuse with host vasculature and be immunologically silent. In some cases, the genomes of these cerebral organoids would first have to be edited.,,

[bold dove]

Yeah, but grown human brains are a newer thing I believe.
Organoids have existed for awhile.

[tulip scaffold]

Ok that Sounds Not that Bad

[tulip scaffold]

Let’s Hope

[bold dove]

I bring it up, because that type of shit is one step closer to artificially grown humans.

[tulip scaffold]

Cloning

[tulip scaffold]

We went from oversee to Clones. LOL but This topic organoids sound realy intresting

[fallow sapphire]

Next your gonna tell me a meteor is headed for earth that carries a wonder substance, that’ll decide the future of our planet’s extinction

[tulip scaffold]

Wait is there an answer why the oversee got more rude Overtime. I thougt cause the deus has lost their humanity but now we know they werent deus just robots

[tulip scaffold]

Can be. If the metoride is big enough and has enough Gold wars can be thought because of it

Or other Metalls

Someone needs to Freak out and Click the red Button

And Boom we have extinction

[fallow sapphire]

I mean, we’d have an extinction but not an extinction with hive mind zombie dinosaurs lol

[tulip scaffold]

Who Nows what Type of Mutation can Happen thanks to radiation

Maybe Mushrooms get super op

And can now Control people

[tulip scaffold]

Same maybe Happens to chicken and Boom dinos

[tulip scaffold]

Help

Are there plans to rewrite the ark Wiki. Cause many lore Parts are wrong or missing key Infos

[rigid grove]

You can just join the wiki discord and ask them.

They're all volunteers

[tulip scaffold]

Theres a Wiki dc

What

[rigid grove]

Yeah, you'll have to use the link from the wiki.
https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/ARK_Wiki

[tulip scaffold]

It’s directing me to the ark dc

[tulip scaffold]

Oh my bad

Thanks

[bold dove]

As Stel established, it's because it's a machine and only can think in objective ways.
The Homo-Deus themselves, if the specific ARK had one and fused with the Overseer would mentally degrade over time.

[main steppe]

It would be interesting to see an ark run by an overseer that has gone insane over time

[tulip scaffold]

The system gets more rude overtime Cause the Earth gets more toxic but why the oversee

[tulip scaffold]

Oh Yes

[bold dove]

Because as Stel stated, the Overseer listens to The System. And The System's standards kept increasing over time due to the Corruption getting stronger.

[tulip scaffold]

But The oversee can chose how react to thinks the system says are wrong and need to be corected.

He dont need to be more rude

The System gets more rude increasing it’s Standards the oversee makes the Same ?

[bold dove]

Rude is subjective, as the Overseer probably doesn't see it as being rude as it doesn't/can't value human life.
Also, while unconfirmed, we can assume with the fact that the ARK's where less hostile in their earlier lifespan, the Overseer and in turn The System where more forgiving.
But due to the standard of The System increasing, that also increases the standards for every Overseer.
They have a 'tad' bit of independence with changing and doing stuff however they seem fit of whatever The System needs them to do. But they still have to follow what The System says.
If The System says to "destroy every trace of Nosti" then the Scorched Earth Overseer has to "destroy every trace of Nosti" in some way.

[mental basin]

The Overseer can't really go insane. It could probably degrade over time, and we actually see it do as much since it's following the crumbling System, but insane? Nah.

[delicate hawk]

Not necessarily lore but does the name valguero have any root in a language? Like Spanish?

[mental basin]

It is confirmed actually, yes, the ARKs weren't as dangerous as they are now, as we see them in-game.

[bold dove]

Nice.
So it's probably safe to assume the Overseers, and in turn The System had a bit more leeway on how big a civilization can get, and how to handle its downfall.

[lyric tendon]

Valguero is a NON-Story ARK therefore not canon

[delicate hawk]

Damn.

Does the name still have a root in Spanish tho?

[lyric tendon]

ask Nekatus
despite the "spanish" sounding name,
Val is just a LoTR coded map complete with Helm's Deep and Spider Den

none of the map "feels" spanish

plus it was a mod became official map, hence "non-story"

[bold dove]

Someone on Reddit broke it down, and basically it can translate to multiple meanings. But the one that makes sense is "worthy white"

This a a copy/paste of the message on Reddit.
" The prefix “Val-“ denotes something of worth, such as a value, valedictorian, or validation.

The suffix, “Guero”, descends from the Spanish word Huero, which means empty. It eventually became used in the term “huevo huero”, which meant “empty egg” or someone who was sick. Because of the whitish complexion of people who are sick, this led to the eventual transformation of the word into “guero”, which is now applied to people with light skin and light brown or red hair. Unlike gringo, which is mostly a derogatory term regarding American whites, guero is used endearingly about lighter skinned people and is even used for whites that are native to Mexico.

From this, we can surmise that the name “Valguero” translates into something like “worthy white”, “worthy red hair”, or if we are going back further, “worthy sickness”, the last of which I believe is an apt description of my mentality when this map comes out. "

Old as fuck post by the way

Six years old.
Damn.

[lyric tendon]

i rather ask Nekatus for that tbh, it is not fitting name tbh

[bold dove]

Yeah, it's more likely that he just made up the word as a reference to Valinor from LOTR.

[lyric tendon]

yeah that is more fitting compared to whatever theory Reddit made

[bold dove]

I just thought it was an interesting tinfoil read.
Reddit moment.

[tulip scaffold]

Why do we asend when on scotch Earth After Beating the manticore

Were is it’s oversser

And the other Bosses. Island had 3

[fallow sapphire]

Scorched canonically only has 1 guardian, though as for why we ascend for defeating it, we should canonically go to the tek cave and ascend there but Wildcard decided to cut out the middleman and make us ascend from the Manticore

[bold dove]

Because Wildcard/Grove Street was lazy.

[main mural]

what does grove street have to do with it lol.

[bold dove]

Grove Street did the original Switch 2.0 update, so I don't know if they fully or partially did the Scorched ascension.

That's why I just slopped both of them into one message.

[main mural]

did switch have the ascension on launch it was added a month after to the main game.

[bold dove]

It came originally in the ARK: Ultimate Survivor Edition for the Switch, which was the Switch 2.0 update.
Also came with dino discovery.

[main mural]

dino discovery is a different game lol.
yeah I meant launch of scorched on switch. then I guess it'd be either

[bold dove]

The launch of Scorched for the Switch was the Ultimate Survivor Edition update.
Basically what happened was that the Switch version got a massive update to revamp the game, since for the longest time it was dead. And it came with revamp coding, alongside Scorched and the new ascension, as well with Dino Discovery releasing for free for anyone who has Ultimate Survivor Edition on the Switch.

[main mural]

yeah, I know what happened lol. dino discovery is a different game and doesn't matter lol. you can also buy it alone.

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah it was the se launch for switch but the se launch for switch was years after xbox ps4 and pc lil

[tulip scaffold]

On extinction near the Snow Biom is a very big skelet. What dino/ Animal was that

[bold dove]

Never confirmed.

[main mural]

because its cool.

[lyric tendon]

"because it's cool"

[small dove]

ok question regarding the dreadnoughtus since extinction creatures evolved with the element does a dreadnoughtes have more element in it's dna then the mana snow owl and velo?

[small dove]

ice titan i think

there was more then the 4 titans it's just the a lot of the others were killed off screen

[tulip scaffold]

I agree

[mental basin]

No clue. It isn't particularly relevant either.

[mental basin]

That ain't the Ice Titan

There were a lot of other lesser Titans, but it's just there to look cool

I have my own crackpot theory, but I know even that isn't canon

[small dove]

i like crackpot theories

let's hear it

[mental basin]

So the skull was a newly introduced piece of the skeleton

The same skull was previously used by the devs in the Manticore Arena on Scorched

Scorched Earth was constructed far before the Titans had appeared on Earth

Which means that skull was planted there by the architects for cool factor, or it was from a dead creature of some kind

As established, said creature couldn't have been a Titan, as Titans didn't exist at that point

Which would imply that the skeleton is a biologically engineered, kaiju-sized, cosmic horror

Made for some unknown purpose, before dying near Sanctaury

Or it could have just been planted by someone, which is awfully dubious

[lofty scaffold]

Gen 2 Bobs Dlc plot point

[mental basin]

But like I said, it's a really stupid theory, and I don't even believe it myself lmao.

[small dove]

hear me out bobs true tall tales let's us make a tek tank

[mental basin]

It's just the devs reusing assets. Nothing more, nothing less.

[lofty scaffold]

Fighter jets

[small dove]

tek spider meks

[lofty scaffold]

Still cool environments tho

[mental basin]

FOR REAL, that's what I was hoping the Skiff was initially, since Diana brings up being a fighter jet pilot quite a few times.

I need that Tek Jet.

[lofty scaffold]

Does it really matter if there's a lore reason to something if the vibes good I don't mind yk?

[lofty scaffold]

Me too

[small dove]

there was the tek war

so i'm hoping we get to use stuff from said war

like the mek wasn't in the war i'm pretty sure santiago made that while they were on extinction if i recall correctly so it wasn't in the war

which means they used other cool weapons

when i think tek tank i think something like the wraith from halo

[mental basin]

Fun fact, if you read the addendums on the Genesis 2 Santiago Notes, as a part of something called 'Operation Metal Rain', the Federation leveled the entirety of New Zealand from orbit.

The URE retaliated by leveling the entire West Coast.

[small dove]

i'm gonna guess canada was leveled in the ark universe

[mental basin]

So the Element Wars were fucking insane.

[mental basin]

No idea, not mentioned anywhere.

[small dove]

they leveled new zealand retaliate by destroying the west coast

[mental basin]

Mutually assured destruction, boys and girls.

You explode me, I explode you.

[small dove]

excuse me for a minute people are fighting on my offical server

[mental basin]

I gotta go back to work anyways.

[small dove]

i like ark lore

[lyric tendon]

Fun fact, there is a 3d model of said jet in ARK Park, just need to extract that thing so i can admire it closer

[mental basin]

Tek Jet, or just a normal jet

Or a 'Tek' Jet that doesn't follow the Tek artstyle

Or a 3D model Snail stole and repurposed

[lyric tendon]

Tek Jet that fits the same shape in her note

[mental basin]

oooooooo no wayyy

[lofty scaffold]

Damn my home is destroyed in the arkverse

[bold dove]

It seems to be more tamed in ARK, from what I understand.

M.A.D conceptually would involve the Federation retaliating again with double the power the URE just gave, and vice versa until both sides get obliterated by each other.

At least from my understanding of how Mutually Assured Destruction works via nuclear warfare.
That's why it was so important that no one during the Cold War actually shot at each other. Because it would've been Joeover for both sides.

[tulip scaffold]

,, For those ARK lore completionists out there: Dino Discovery has critical deep-connections into ARK2..‘‘ Jeryme Stieglitz

Pls no. I don’t want to Play that Game. 😭

[bold dove]

That was from like two years ago

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah but I still Found it funny

😅

[lyric tendon]

Spoiler: it's a disappointment

[main steppe]

So

How does it connect?

Is it just like a simulation the colonists are going through to teach them about the wildlife they’ll deal with?

[lyric tendon]

Only in gen 1

Everything else set in real world

[tulip scaffold]

What was the story of dino Discovery

Does anyone know

[swift gale]

Gen1 pretty sure

[main steppe]

That actually makes a good amount of sense

[mental basin]

It's a Genesis Simulation with children.

Likely that Meeka was there during the events of Genesis.

[tulip scaffold]

Oh Like a Kindergarten

Is there a reason why we went to Aberration and then to Earth ? Wasnt there an infinite Loop

[bold dove]

The portal the Tek-tribe made

And yeah, with how high the standard that The System raised up due to the Corruption only getting stronger over time. The standard for a survivor reaching Earth became basically impossible without breaking the loop forcefully.

[tulip scaffold]

So the Portal broke the Loop. You just need to reach Island and you can get from there easy to Earth. But why defeat Rockwell if we easy could just start the Portal and then go to Earth

No Need to Hang out with him

[bold dove]

Because from what I understand, Rockwell currently holds the protocol for the Portal to be activated.

[tulip scaffold]

You just need a Portal which the key for this has a mutated Psycho and a Boomb to Break an infinite Loop. Sounds easy

[tulip scaffold]

How and Why. The Team bevor us didnt need to do This

[bold dove]

That is the extend my knowledge goes.
Stel would know more.

[tulip scaffold]

And was it always planned that we went to abberation or did Helena change Something for us

[tulip scaffold]

@mental basin pls help

[mental basin]

We were set to follow in her footsteps

I'm at work

[bold dove]

Believe that was Rockwell that brought us to Aberration.

[bold dove]

Ah, nevermind.

Always assumed it was Rockwell with his cackling at the end.

[tulip scaffold]

Bro has a real live what an L

Helena Said Rockwell is gone No one could survive this arks destruction. But In the cut Szenes it Loks still ,, normal ,,

[lyric tendon]

the person she knew as "Rockwell" is gone, as in what she sees in him as a "mentor" not who Rockwell really is behind her back

[ionic plume]

Hey what's the lore behind rock wells entry to gen2? How did he get there?

[mental basin]

It'll get explained in Lost Colony

We've technically talked to the main writers before and they kinda spoiled it, but here we go

[lyric tendon]

Let's just say ||Helena left the backdoor open||

[mental basin]

In Lost Colony before we arrive, Mei-Yin and Diana get there
They open up what's called a Superluminal link, which is basically a Transfer, from Arat Prime (Lost Colony) to the Genesis-Ship (Gen 1 & Gen 2)
We dunno what they do afterwards, so we skip forward
After Extinction, Aberration crashes near Arat Prime (Lost Colony) and Rockwell uses the Superluminal link to get into the Simulation, 'cause it never got closed.

[lyric tendon]

Even in her ascended form

Helena is still a dipstick

[tulip scaffold]

Wait so Yin and Diana want to gen ship. But she still somehow is the mother of mekka?

[lyric tendon]

We dont know how the hell that happened

I guess have to find out when Lost Colony and Bob's "True" Tales dropped

they better get a good writting excuse or i will giga rage

[bold dove]

Meeka was either conceived during the Tek-War if Diana x Santiago where a thing at that time. Or, what I more expect, is that not long after Gen2 the new Santiago found a cloned/new version of Diana and they hit it off.

[tulip scaffold]

So there are two Dianas on Genesis

[tulip scaffold]

Or they adopted her

[bold dove]

Nah, it's implied if I recall that Diana is her biologically mother.

[tulip scaffold]

If thougt they nerver Said specific anything just that diana is her mom and she wants to bring her back

[lyric tendon]

are you sure? because even as an adopted child, you can call someone as a mother/father

especially that child doesnt know who is the biological mother is

[bold dove]

Also, Meeka actually kind of does look like a cross between Diana's frizzy red hair, and Santiago's facial structure.

[tulip scaffold]

But if yes why did she take care of her if mei is on gen

[lyric tendon]

Mei*

[tulip scaffold]

Yes pls

[bold dove]

I understand that.

[bold dove]

We don't know if Mei is on the Genesis ship. We just know they where heading towards Arat Prime and opened up the liminal link for Helena. But after that, we don't know.

[tulip scaffold]

Hm but one thing we know is that she wants to bring Diana back so she likely died

[bold dove]

Mei-Yin could possibly be killed off during the MAPPA animations in Lost Colonies for all we know.

[lyric tendon]

there is a possibility of 2 versions of dianas like they did with santiagos

[tulip scaffold]

Just let dont think about this possibility

[bold dove]

Correct.
That either means she died from trying to open up the uplink, or died during the events after Gen2 on Arat.

[lyric tendon]

let Mei die already

[bold dove]

I'd like if my games story can actually have impactful deaths without bringing back characters for the 20th time.

[tulip scaffold]

Wait Yes Bobs Tales take plais on arat

Not on gen

[bold dove]

'cough' 'cough' Santiago 'cough' 'cough'

[lyric tendon]

especially Mei's whole narrative since The Island is wanting to go back home and "saving future earth" is just "bonus content" for her

[tulip scaffold]

But if she died from opening the link how could Mekka know here or be even alive. Mekka is to yung

[tulip scaffold]

Dlc

[bold dove]

Died on Earth, cloned on the Genesis ship, banged on Arat

[lyric tendon]

meeka doesnt know all about this hence the tall tales

[tulip scaffold]

Bonus Content = dlc

[tulip scaffold]

Or put her contiusnes on gen and Snack a new Body

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah ment knew here

[lyric tendon]

i still refuse if this is the same Diana in Ab

[bold dove]

We don't know how long ARK-2 is set after ARK-1's storyline.
So, could be only months, years, to a decade after.
There seems to be some form of cooperation and scavenging with decently made tools (primitive, but decently made for primitive tools) during the first ARK-2 trailer. And it seems like the Aratai's and Santiago's group already had some form of relationship since Santiago took them out with ease.
So, probably months to years after ARK-1

[tulip scaffold]

My headcanon Both mei and Diana went to gen sandiego and Diana found mekka raised her Together like co parents and she died somehow

[lyric tendon]

they must be super sneaky enough to not get noticed in any of the Gen notes unlike Gabriel huh

[bold dove]

Nah, Meeka is 100% biologically at least one of theirs.
Likely at least Diana, since they have the same hair styles and color.

And I say Santiago as well is her biological father, because her facial structure has some decent similarities to Vin Diesel's face.

[tulip scaffold]

yeah the hole Diana sandiego thing is so random. Nothing hinted
To This No notes nothing

We just Need to wait 7 months for an (let’s Hope that it is a good) answer

[bold dove]

I'm just gonna call it now.
Mei and Diana are going to die and their story arcs of those clones will be closed in Lost Colonies.
Then Diana 2.0 will be on board the Genesis ship akin to how Santiago 2.0 was, with them biologically being the same person, but completely different mentally.
Not long after Gen2, they find each other and bang since they had some form of possible interest in each other during Aberration. But Diana never went with Santiago since she was with Mei-Yin already. But since this is a new Diana with no memories of Mei-Yin, they actually hook up this time.

[tulip scaffold]

Do we even know when lost colony takes Place

[bold dove]

Between Extinction and Gen1

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah but when After extinction

[bold dove]

Both what Wildcard has stated confirms this, and the roadmap placement if Lost Colonies being the next story map to release before Gen1

[lyric tendon]

plz be the opposite mannerisms of Ab Diana like they made Vin opposite of Ab Santiago

instead of a caring commando, she's an absolute arse

[tulip scaffold]

Wait we started the reseed Protocol and when did Mei and Diana went to arat Prime

[bold dove]

I believe it's hinted that the whole uplink opening till The Survivor arrives is like 8 years. (Stel can correct me)
Something about 8,000 cycles I think HLN-A states or something.

[tulip scaffold]

They had some intrest ?

[bold dove]

The new BTT intro for Aberration confirms that Diana had some feelings for Santiago during those events.

[tulip scaffold]

What

[lyric tendon]

hopefully, no

if they go the narrative of "they are just the same in biology, not mentally"

[bold dove]

They kind of already hinted to some form of love triangle.

[lyric tendon]

crimge

[tulip scaffold]

Stell pls say this is wrong

[tulip scaffold]

Am I dumb or what is Btt

[bold dove]

I can link the cutscene.

[bold dove]

Bob's Tall/True Tales

[lyric tendon]

Bob's Tall/True Tales

[bold dove]

AYE!!

[tulip scaffold]

Ah 😅

Fotofinish cringewell wone

[tulip scaffold]

Here the Same nothing hinted to The Triangel nothing. What are the writers doing

[lyric tendon]

i have adverse turn off by inorganic relationship between characters like that (especially "off camera"), i kinda hate it

[bold dove]

Okay, in BTT Wasteland note 9, it's kind of shown that they did possibly hate each other in their original lives due to them being on opposing sides.
So yeah, they had feelings for each other during Aberration, but never went through. But seems like on Arat they found each other and banged.
Also I find it funny when Bob says "Listen kid, these are just dumb stories" he fucking looks at the camera.

It's also Steampunk BTT note 7 that hints that Diana had some feelings for Santiago during the Aberration events.

[lyric tendon]

(god i hate it already)

[tulip scaffold]

Easy could make Mekka Dianas and mey Child (some tek etc). Let Both somehow die and sandiego takes care of her

[tulip scaffold]

Same

[lyric tendon]

i like them better with "just friends" since it tracks with Ab Santiago's anti-social behavior especially in ext

[tulip scaffold]

Wait wasnt she in a Relation ship with mey while ab

[tulip scaffold]

Yes 😭

[lyric tendon]

plz dont ping me

[bold dove]

I do miss my anti-social Santiago that acted like the biggest shut in.

[tulip scaffold]

Ups Auto 😅

[bold dove]

Correct.
It hints that Diana liked Santiago, but they never got into a relationship during those events.

[tulip scaffold]

The hole thing is so fucking dumb and ooc wow

[lyric tendon]

she only like him as an "interesting comrade" given Santiago's rep of "CEO of TEK"

[tulip scaffold]

And now hes the leader of the humans on arat 😭😅

[tulip scaffold]

I See some hope . Write more

[lyric tendon]

that's Vin, not Santiago.... different clone

[tulip scaffold]

Vin is Santiago ?

[lyric tendon]

i call him Vin for what he is lmao... i refuse to call that inferior being as "Santiago"

[tulip scaffold]

Is see your Not a Fan of the new Casting

Why 😅

[tulip scaffold]

Stel where are you man

[lyric tendon]

no shitte

you take the most interesting character in the lore and turning him into a one-note character, the same character he plays in the movies

[tulip scaffold]

We just now hes the leader nothing more

[lyric tendon]

the only Vin Diesel character i like is the Iron Giant because the writer is smart enough make use out of Vin's staleness

[tulip scaffold]

the ark writers are good so I have some Hope in them

They Never underdelivered

(Ignoring the hole BTT thing)

[bold dove]

Gen1 and Gen2 where pretty bad personally.

[lyric tendon]

doubt that given Gen already adds more complications on was a good story

[tulip scaffold]

What was complicated ? Rockwell and Simulation we Need to destroy

[tulip scaffold]

What did you dislike

[lyric tendon]

the notes

[tulip scaffold]

I think some of them will changed when gen releases for asa

[lyric tendon]

hecc off bot lmao

[tulip scaffold]

I Never read Most 😅 so what bot

HLNA was Peak. Right ?

[lyric tendon]

i let Cringewell explain this, i am too lazy to retype what i just said before the bot deleted it

[bold dove]

Gen1 seemingly has no real writer as it was during a time that Wildcard was still looking for a writer after Marc left.
It's a disconnected mess that makes no sense to the original storyline, and 90% of the notes are random shit no one cares about of tidbits of previous users causing glitches. It was more of satire writing about their own game being buggy as fuck and people dupping then it was an actual storyline.
Gen2 had some interesting concepts, but to me fell flat on its ass.
Gabriel, while conceptually I like, was a boring character.
I can't recall anything with Nida other then she possibly died from Rockwell.
And Gen2 Santiago just seemed dull to me.

[tulip scaffold]

Oh you mean the dc bot

Sorry for ping 😅

[lyric tendon]

personally i want new set of characters, not reusing and butchering existing ones

[bold dove]

Yerp.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah and now we have a new writers (is he good ?) so for me it makes even more Sense that they Change gen Story

[lyric tendon]

Nida is like a soil scientist turn modder for the Gen Ship System

the reason she died to Rockwell is because she has to mod the system to unlock the rings through HLNA

[bold dove]

Genesis also introduced the Engramic Matrix, which I never liked personally.
I liked when clones consciousness where left in the air whether or not they're spiritually the same person, or just a biological copy of that person with implanted memories.

[tulip scaffold]

Thats one of the thinks I liked about gen

That makes the you try again speech from Helena more meaningfull

[bold dove]

Which speech?

[lyric tendon]

what speech? lmao

[tulip scaffold]

Ok speech maybe Not the Right Word for it

[lyric tendon]

boi you need to read them notes to understand why we hated it

[tulip scaffold]

Gen or the Matrix

[bold dove]

Just personal philosophy in writing, but I like some things remaining mysteries. As if done right, it can make the audience question their perspective of the narrative, as well as opening more doors for writing, and allowing the characters to question themselves and their reality as well.

[tulip scaffold]

Same but I Stil like the Matrix 😅

[bold dove]

The fuck does The Matrix have to do with ARK?

[tulip scaffold]

Engram Matrix

[bold dove]

Oh wait, the Engramic Matrix

My bad.
Thought you where talking about the movie. 💀

[lyric tendon]

same here like what the hecc

[tulip scaffold]

Nop but they re also awsome

[bold dove]

Aye, and that's why there's no right or wrong taste.
I'm not here to change your mind. I'm just here to answer the 'why' in why I dislike it.
More power to you if you like it.

[tulip scaffold]

LOL offtopic but the official Servers are down again

[bold dove]

[lyric tendon]

personally the whole "Engrammic Matrix" is just a "nothing burger" another excuse to shove Gameplay to Lore like with the Respawn in Ext

unlike the "Engrammic Matrix" at least the Respawn in Ext has a narrative reasoning

like who knows Tek better aside Santiago in Helena's POV?, Diana

[bold dove]

Thing I've learned from writing, is there's a degree to "objectively bad writing" to "I personally just don't like this"
There's some flaws with the Genesis storyline that are questionable. But new iterations like the Engramic Matrix are more just personal taste of whether you like it or not.

[tulip scaffold]

I like it cause im Not a Fan if a character dies gets Cloned and memories Implanted and they handle the Person like hes Not a original beeing but just a clone.

[lyric tendon]

they are all clones in Day 1

[tulip scaffold]

And the hole philosophy, problem, that are we just our memories? Or more than that

[tulip scaffold]

What

[lyric tendon]

there is a reason why i like the original 4 better than the new ones
it gives you that grim dark dread in otherwise vibrant paradise

the sudden realization you are part of an endless experiment at the end

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah the og story is the best one but I like the hole concept of gen and going to a new planet but the ship gets invaded

[lyric tendon]

genesis is a mistake, i like it better when it is grounded in Arat Prime (which is what it was originally) and focus on Earth instead, especially the whole teaser of Ab dropped after the Reseed Protocol

[bold dove]

Memories are just to store information. What we are objectively are lumps of brain cells and neurons trying to survive and learn as our brains (us) grows.
What a clone can't replicate though is actual experiences and the objectively **REAL ** hardships the original went through.
A clone can be biologically 1:1 to someone, and have 1:1 memories.
But at that point, they're just memories of another organism that's long dead.
The clone never went through the hardships physically, they never, let's say had to actually get bullied as a child, they never actually got married, they never had to see their spouse die during a World-War. All of those memories are just that, memories from an organism that actually went through those hardships.
This is even more apparent if we take into consideration hybridizing.
I can put Character 1's memories into Character 2's body.
If the brain **thinks ** it's Character 1, but biologically is Character 2, what are they at that point?

[tulip scaffold]

What do you mean with it was is was originally grounded at arat prime

[lyric tendon]

IIRC the one of the floating signs in Ext says Arat Prime is closed or something

[bold dove]

"We are closed for renovation 🙂 "

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah and I’m not a fan of This philosophy and thinking about it so I’m a fan of the matrix. And I like my chars alive and cloning a char doesn’t make him alive

[tulip scaffold]

Opening date 10.11.2025

[bold dove]

Don't have to be a fan. Just explaining my reasoning.

[lyric tendon]

the thing is all of the characters are clones, none are original

would be fun to have an implantless character but i guess they save that in ARK 2, boo

[tulip scaffold]

We will just ignore this

[lyric tendon]

nah i like the idea of having clones of mixed eras in a battle royale isekai which is what ARK technically is

[bold dove]

Also, fun fact.
Organoids are the concept of genetically created an organ from scratch in a lab from Stem-Cells.
Recently, as of last year, we grew an organoid human brain.
We've done this for awhile now, but the thing that makes this special is that is slightly developed more to actually have nuerons and and a bit of wrinkles.
The project was shut down though in fear that, if the brain develops more, it could touch into morality issues of creating a human life as just a brain with sensory deprivation.

[tulip scaffold]

Wait Mekka finding out how to bring back Diana might be the explanation why we will be able to respawn in ark 2

[lyric tendon]

see ARK 2 Trailer, it already explained that before BTT

[tulip scaffold]

Are you working in a lab ?

[tulip scaffold]

Wait really? It’s a long time since I watched it

[bold dove]

No, but there's official pages about this study.

I'm just a nerd interested in biology of the human brain.

[tulip scaffold]

Og cause you wrote we’ve done that that’s why 😅

[tulip scaffold]

It’s a cool topic

[bold dove]

We, as in our species. That's what I meant.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah got it

Not first try but got it

[bold dove]

It's also that research that made my philosophy change with cloning.

[tulip scaffold]

What’s your philosophy

[bold dove]

This

Because obviously ARK is fiction, it can do whatever it wants with cloning for its plot.
But IRL at least, cloning I think would be a kind of black and white subject to a degree.
Yes you can biologically recreate someone 1:1 and implant their memories. But said clone never truly went through the hardships the original person went through physically. They just have memories of those hardships.

[tulip scaffold]

But what’s the difference if he went through it or thinks he went through it

You still know what you did

[bold dove]

Let's say there's a clone of you.
I won't pry in your personal life, but just imagine the worse thing that ever happened to you in your life so far.
If your clone walks up to you, and claims they also went through that event, even though they where just born hours ago. How would that make you feel?
How would it make you feel, if that clone claimed that what you went through is on par to what they remember from just a memory?
Would it make you confused? Angry that they claim to had gone through those trauma's even though they never actually did? Or would you feel nothing?

Also, with the whole Organoid brain subject. This also brings into account that something.
We don't know what happens after death, if anything at all. Religions claim they do, but objectively it's still up in the air.
Hypothetically, if nothing happens after death, if death is truly like how it felt before you where born, which is absolutely nothingness. Then the clone wouldn't be you.
They would have the memories of you up until you died. But you, the original brain, the organism, are dead. Your consciousness in this situation is tied to your brain and your brain has decomposed.
Yet there's an imitation going around thinking it's you with your memories.

Ever played a game called SOMA?

[tulip scaffold]

I heard about it

[bold dove]

Mind spoilers?

[tulip scaffold]

Not everything pls

[bold dove]

Okay, then I can't talk about the rest of my philosophy sadly.

[bold dove]

But you can go with this so far.

[tulip scaffold]

Ok talk. Write spoilers. Now I’m intrested

[tulip scaffold]

But still what’s the difference if he went through it or thinks he went through it

How I feall about it’s is not important. From biology site seen nothing is different

[lofty scaffold]

Ai is only making this even more advanced Along with other types of technology are we cooked yet,?

[tulip scaffold]

Nah they still be some sort of human

So I think we’re fine

[lofty scaffold]

Legendary

[bold dove]

Okay, so in SOMA you play in the future, around 75 years after 2015.
You play as Simon, someone with brain cancer during the 21st century/2015 and go into for a brain scan for a possible creation of a cure.
Simon goes into it, and wakes up 75 years in the future in the bottom of the ocean.
Throughout the game, it turns out that Simon is actually operating a robot diving suit, and his old body from 2015 died months after the brain scan. But the diving suit robot that is the new Simon doesn't recall any of that, since his memories only go up to when he went to the brain scan.
Near the end of the game, you need to put yourself into a different diving suit robot because of needing to go deeper. (pressure)
Issue is, the moment Simon transfers into the new suit, he hears himself talk.
Turns out, the way transferring works isn't a 1:1 transfer.
It instead completely copies your memories and places them into a new body.
So the Simon you've been playing as the entire game, is now strapped down in a chair unconscious, as you play as the new Simon. You get the option to either leave him by himself forever, or cut off his life support and kill what was basically the character you where playing as the entire game up until this point.
At the end of the game, you have to launch what's called the Ark, which is a satellite that'll go into space with the memories of previous humans. (Earth is dead during the game and this is the only way to preserve humanity)
Instead though, as shown previously, when Simon 2.0 tries to transfers his consciousness to the Ark, it launches without him.
That's because it worked, as it wasn't meant to transfer him 1:1 to the Ark, but instead make a copy of the current Simon and place it into the Ark.
So, you hear Simon 3.0 in the Ark celebrating and happy that they made it out, as your Simon, Simon 2.0 is left being scared and slowly dying from the underwater station crumbling. And that's how the game ends.

All four of these Simon's are seperate entities, and the game emphasises this. Especially when you can physically interact with Simon 1.0 with Simon 2.0. And hear Simon 3.0 celebrating and thinking they left the underwater station, as Simon 2.0 is left behind and scared.

Long as fuck, but do read if you have the time.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah I see it the same way that’s why I’m a fan of the Matrix

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah I always liked games like soma there was another that took place in a apartment building that tripped me out too damn dystopian

[tulip scaffold]

Pls tell me you wrote this on a pc not your phone

[bold dove]

And to answer this, the clone would have your memories. But you, you yourself are dead and are currently in the Abyss that is death. (in this hypothetical if nothing happens after death)
That's the biggest contender for this discussion though.
If we can proves souls exist and that the clone is actually spiritually the same person from before like in ARK, then there's no issues.
But if we disprove souls, and instead of everything is tied to the brain, then that would be a bit more complicated.

[tulip scaffold]

Meant cringewell

[bold dove]

Yeah, I'm on pc

[lofty scaffold]

@bold dove would it be immoral to put your brain into a younger clone of yourself?

[tulip scaffold]

Your brain will die somethimes

[bold dove]

Issue with that is the brain also decays.

[lofty scaffold]

Slower then the majority of the body besides bones

[bold dove]

If you can transfer to a new body though with a immortal brain though, then yes. I'd argue that is still you.
You're just more body jacking then anything. But since that is the same brain, it's still you.

[tulip scaffold]

I get what you mean but no what I mean is that it read like that you said that there is a difference if you expieriece something your self or get it through cloning

[bold dove]

Read the message above with SOMA.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah but it didn’t answer the question 😅

Is there a difference for you if you expierence something by your self or if you get it through cloning

[bold dove]

It's more personal, so that's up to you.
But I'd be personally pissed if my clone escaped the hardship I went through without me, and them thinking they did all the work that I did. Because I as my own organism did all of those things that the clone never actually did. Memories be damned.

[tulip scaffold]

But he didn’t ask to be cloned / made it’s not his fault

So I see it chilled

So why will be respawning in ark 2 😅

[bold dove]

Sure, but I didn't ask to be cloned in this situation.

[tulip scaffold]

And your clones didn’t ask to be made

[bold dove]

Then it shall be a duel to the death.

[tulip scaffold]

If the writing theam comes with cloning I’m losing it

[tulip scaffold]

Isn’t this a bit over the top

Just a bit

[bold dove]

Hopefully they'll drop that plotline and just make respawning as a game mechanic.

[tulip scaffold]

Wait no they have the Matrix so it’s ok

No but for real Why will we respawn

[bold dove]

Cloning as a whole brings in a can of worms of ethical issues.
Killing what is essentially an organism that thinks it's you is the least concerning issue with the ethics of cloning.

[bold dove]

Again, hopefully no reason.

[tulip scaffold]

It’s ARK so it’s ok

[bold dove]

Gen2 kind of brushes away respawning.
And ARK-2 seems to have a lack of Tek, so they're probably abandoning that plotline.

[bold dove]

I was talking about IRL in the hypothetical situation of cloning this entire time.

[tulip scaffold]

I know

But yeah your right

Just dont Open the box of the pandora

[bold dove]

Yeah, until we can figure out what happens after death and if there's a way to transfer the counciouss itself without the brain (if that's even possible. Again, the brain may be the consciousness) then it's best to stay away from cloning IRL.

[tulip scaffold]

One Said the Trailer for ARK 2 told us why.

But I didn See anything For This

[tulip scaffold]

Human clone Rights

[bold dove]

Oh god, it really is Pandora's box of problems.

[tulip scaffold]

I think Mekka finding a way to bring back Dina will Explain how to respawn

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah and if your clone killes someone how to Tell who did it

[bold dove]

Then there's gonna be the political issues of cloning.
Military ethics of cloning.
Whether or not clones are seen as individual's or property to the original.

Honestly, glad we're dealing with AI shit IRL before cloning.
I rather deal with AI shit in my lifetime and those ethical questions then cloning.

[tulip scaffold]

Yes

Ok to be fair clones will Most likely dont kill the entire planet ai could

[bold dove]

Ehhhhhh.

Clone rebellions.

Also, AI uprising to the degree of Terminator/Matrix is the most fucking unbelievable situations personally.

Realistically, think the worse it would get is a Detroit: Become Human situation where they just recreate IRL riots until they get rights.

[main steppe]

It actually seems like it might be a central theme of Ark 2, with Meeka wanting to bring back Diana, no matter the cost

[bold dove]

Right, but a plot point for a single character so far. Not a plot point for the player.

[main steppe]

True

[tulip scaffold]

Lest See if they Change some gen lore

And how what the hell Dina Santiago was

And @mental basin if time was there really a love Triangel while Dinana was with mei

Or I can recommend just read the full convo it was Realy instresting

And Why gen was Bad or god for you

[mental basin]

Gen 1 was horrendous because it was a giant filler episode with almost no story

Gen 2 is bad because of the wasted story potential

Nida needs to live on into ARK II somehow, or she just a means to an end
Gabriel existed only as a budget Rockwell, and they didn't do anything with his split personality. He exists only to get Nida killed.
HLN-A is a bit better in Gen 2, but still doesn't really give us anythign substantial.
Rockwell as a character just does nothing until his bossfight.

And Santiago doesn't act remotely like himself in Gen 2.

[tulip scaffold]

But most important was there Realy a love Triangel / Something between Diana and sandiego

[main steppe]

I don’t remember anything about it, but it’s possible they hooked up sometime on Abberation prior to Mei’s arrival

[mental basin]

I'll explain it in my ARK II video but no

They didn't hook up on the ARKs

Meeka was an Earth child who was killed really early on into her life

The versions of Diana and Santiago who conceived her never even met Mei-Yin

[bold dove]

Kind of thought it was on Arat, since there's one Wasteland note that shows Diana and Santiago hating each other during the Tek-War, but falling in love on what seems to be Arat.

[mental basin]

Nope.

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah

[tulip scaffold]

From where do you now This ?

[lyric tendon]

given meeka also has an implant, she is also cloned

[mental basin]

Yep.

[tulip scaffold]

wait right. (were do they get these implants ? they just are translator right )

[lament raft]

the implant holds a translator as well as the engramatic matrix

[tulip scaffold]

and how does the human get them. we spawned with one and losed it after extinction (why)

[mental basin]

Doesn't hold the Matrix

Dunno where you got that info lol

[mental basin]

The Implant is a translator, and uh.. well we really don't see it get a use past that, outside of Extinction, where it's used to activate the Reseed Protocol, via some sort of backup method.

[lament raft]

i thought ithad access to it which is why the inventory menu comes out of your player implant

you literally stare at your wrist in game

[mental basin]

Oh God no

I hate that people don't typically know this lol, pet peeve of mine

No, the Implant doesn't hold your inventory

And the Matrix is a part of the brain

Staring at your wrist is purely visual

[lament raft]

didnt say it holds inventory

just accesses the engrams that tell you how to build stuff was what i thought

[mental basin]

Nope

That's just good old human enginuity

There's nothing about Engrams in relation to Implants in ARK lore lol

[tulip scaffold]

So our inventory is just Gameplay and how did we get the Implant? We just spawned with one

[mental basin]

We were just given one

I'd explain it but I need to go to bed

[lyric tendon]

yep because all the humans in the ARK are all clones

there is no known person who dont have an implant yet

[tulip scaffold]

Who will be the story writer for LC and ARK 2 ? Are we in good hands

?

[grizzled knot]

I don't know any lore whatsoever

[lyric tendon]

🤷🏽‍♂️

[pseudo heath]

Nah rockwell had a daughter didn’t he? Surely she’d not have an implant

[bold dove]

Engrams IRL are neurons dedicated to memories. So assuming they thought of this for ARK, then we can assume engrams are just tied to the brain.

[lyric tendon]

Animated series is not canon

[bold dove]

Charlotte as a character may still be canon, since there's voicelines of Rockwell's heads calling out to her during the Antechamber in Gen2.

[main steppe]

It seems that the histories of the two universes are near identical, with the major difference just being when Helena arrived to the island

[mental basin]

Charlotte is canon

Kekekeke

We just dunno how yet, and I have no clue what this guy is trying to say lmao

[mental basin]

Not even close lol

[mental basin]

Well she is, Bob tells it to our face at the end of Ab lmao

[bold dove]

Oh true.

[lyric tendon]

isnt that just some throaway lies since it wasnt used in game/no subtitles for it?

[bold dove]

It is used in-game.
And it doesn't matter if it's a throwaway. The fact he acknowledges her existence in-game even if it's hard to hear does confirm that Wildcard had something in mind for that character.

[proper edge]

What exactly does Rockwell say about Charlotte?
I’ve listened to the voice lines but I can’t seem to pinpoint when he mentions her name.

[bold dove]

It's one of the possible voicelines the heads in the Antechamber can say.
It's just a voiceline of him keep calling out for Charlotte in different tones.
It's hard to hear in-game with a mixture of Rockwell's main speech going on during the Antechamber, as well as the other 20+ voicelines the heads have. But it does appear in-game if you listen closely.
It's easier though to just listen to it in the devkit since you can find the isolated sound file for it.

[serene fox]

can someone dm me the stroy of ark i like reading lore more than watching a video lore so yuh im sorry if im wasting somebodys times, i just want to know more about ark

[bold dove]

There's pinned messages of both the story and a Q&A by the original writer

[mental basin]

Speaking of which, @snow seal, you think we can get the ASE story recap video Ned and I wrote pinned in here?

It'd make redirecting people to the story so much easier.

[bold dove]

Aye Stel, mind if I ask you something in dm's?

[mental basin]

About to go on-shift, sorry.

[bold dove]

That's fine.
Can you remember to tag or dm me when you're off?

[tulip scaffold]

go to yt and typ ark full story and there should be a 2hr video. watch this one

[serene fox]

I don’t like watching lore I like reading lore more because I’m a fast reader

[lyric tendon]

if you like reading all the notes then cheat unlock all the notes in game

[serene fox]

No

I’m too sigma for that

Oh dang forgot gifs aren’t alloeddp

[lyric tendon]

lazy talk lmao

then go hunt them yourself, gonna get that grind then lmao

[brave lodge]

CheatGiveAllExplorerNotes crashed my game LMAO

But I did get alot of achievements

The game wasn't usable for an hour too

Who would've thought 200+ Notes would do that

[bold dove]

Oh, yeah. That happens.
Game has to calculate all of the timers stacked up and register that you just got the hundred+ notes all at once.

Think it'd be funny yet useful if that command had a warning when you input it of "WARNING! This can possibly crash your game or cause it to freeze for an hour or more. Do you want to proceed?"

[brave lodge]

Clicks yes anyway because finding the notes takes months

Oh and let's not talk about the shire number of skins that overflow my inventory everytime I respawn

[bold dove]

[mental basin]

How was your game unusable for an hour lmao

Took me like 10 seconds on my rig

[bold dove]

Probably differs from processors.
I remember the first time I discovered that command back in ASE, it took me like 10 minutes for it to unfreeze.

[rain dock]

That command is severely poorly designed lol

[tulip scaffold]

I don’t have anything to do Right now maybe I’m Doing it too

[tulip scaffold]

Why is now a King Titan spawning without summoning him 😭

[bold dove]

The wandering King Titan?

[tulip scaffold]

Yes

[bold dove]

Because it's cool. Even though it directly contradicts what a The One Who Waits notes states.

[tulip scaffold]

Is the Alpha or normal King Titan Canon

Both have a different Design

So the Titans were there when the arks launched or did they spawn later

[bold dove]

Both are canon if I recall.

[tulip scaffold]

Shroedingers King Titan

[bold dove]

Normal King Titan is what it looks like normally, but the Alpha King Titan is the more jacked version of him when shit gets real.

[tulip scaffold]

The alpha Looks ten Times better

[bold dove]

I imagine in-universe, he probably transforms during the final fight when the Mega Mek slashes at him and he remembers again of his mortality.

Though this time, he can't run away unlike with Mei-Yin. So he goes full balls-to-the-walls with fighting us.

[tulip scaffold]

Are These titans even alive or just an ai driven by tek

[bold dove]

They're technically aliens

[tulip scaffold]

He can always run away. We are just one dude. Hes a Monster as big as a tower

[bold dove]

Titans are made out of only Corruption.
They're not "Corrupted" like other animals, they are the Corruption.
Which Corruption is in a way Element, and Element is alien in nature. Making the Titans technically the few real aliens in the series. (outside of the Astro-animals. And anything native to Arat in ARK-2)

[bold dove]

Pretty sure there's something that mentions that he can no longer run away once summoned anymore.

[tulip scaffold]

But to be an Alien Something needs to be alive. Metall for example isn’t alive

[bold dove]

Helena mentions something about him staying on his throne since Mei slashed at him.
Dude became the biggest coward in existence once he got his scar.

[tulip scaffold]

Skill issue

[bold dove]

Element goes against what would be logical IRL.

Also, might just be a mechanical issue. But they do bleed in-game, and give meat when harvested. So I assume they're organic in nature, just created by Corruption.

[tulip scaffold]

Element has a swarm intelligent. And can replicate. So it’s an Robot ?

[tulip scaffold]

Bio Teck. Element can change its molekular structure so it can make flesh maybe

But its still an ai ? Maybe

[bold dove]

To be it bluntly, Element is a living metal. But Element can also be converted into seemingly anything and can act like anything.
It's naturally a living metal, but can be made into something more organic as seen with the inside of the ARK's being biomechanical. So I assume if given the right situation with Corruption, it can become fully organic.

[tulip scaffold]

But how can something out of Metal and Not flesh can be alive. So I would say normal Element is not alive. It’s just a Type of Robot. But it Can Change it Self to be alive

[tulip scaffold]

What is exactly corruption

[bold dove]

A.I would involve it being a robot.
We don't know the nature of Element fully.
Element is confirmed to be inspired by the Protomolecule from The Expanse. Which to my understanding, is also a literally living metal. Like a golem.

[bold dove]

Again, Element can't really be applied to IRL rules.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah hm

[bold dove]

Element, by all intents and purposes. Should not exist if ARK was realistic.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah it’s (dont know the englisch Translationen) Halbwertszeit would be to Short

It would vaporice In mile seconds

[bold dove]

From what I understand. It's an offshoot of Element.
Something happened in the Element war that we don't know of, and some Element became Corrupted and its hivemind became angy.
Though I think it's hinted that Corruption is just what happens when Element spreads too much and isn't monitored.

[tulip scaffold]

So it’s like cancer

[bold dove]

Yep.
There's other logistical issues with it, but yeah. It wouldn't even exist long enough for us to care about it IRL.

[bold dove]

Yeah actually, that's not a bad example.

There's two theories of it I like. Both by the same person.

[tulip scaffold]

Not like it is cancer if I think about it
Fuck cancer

[tulip scaffold]

Im listening

[bold dove]

A: Corruption seeks to destroy a planet because it's the mature state of Element, and by destroying and causing a Element-infected planet to be destroyed, it can spread itself via the planet chunks (asteroids) so it can start its cycle again.
B: ARK's story has a lot of inspiration from Command & Conquer, and so it's possible that just like the alien resource in that universe. Element was created by a species of advanced lifeforms to be sent out and find planets with intelligent enough life to make them fat and more aggressive (technology and shit) before the species kills themselves via warfare, and the alien species can come down to the planet and harvest it for all of its resources.

B seems to be less likely, as Corruption didn't really leave anything behind on Earth to be harvested.

[tulip scaffold]

Or thanks to the Teck war it spread so much and rapidly that something went wrong and it corrupted and infested many of the Element

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah I think also A. We don’t know why but what we know is that element unrefined is destroying anything. And the tek war helped to spread it faster and further

[bold dove]

Well Element doesn't destroy on its own from what I recall.

All it wants to do is spread. But that's literally every lifeform that we know of to exist.
Corruption is the thing that destroys life.

The Genesis-ship shows that if done right, Element can be used without the need of mass pollution.

[tulip scaffold]

The arks are using a different type of Element. What name has it

And the normal nothing changed element is destroying. That’s why the genesis ship’s element is save

[bold dove]

It's using refined Element, which is Element melted with other metals to make an alloy.

Which at that point, the Element lifeform inside is basically dead/cooked out.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah this one is save normal isn’t

[bold dove]

Nope, both can be fine if done right.

[tulip scaffold]

Sure ? So what’s than the difference between these two

[bold dove]

Genesis-ship's Eden soil is polluted with unrefined Element, yet it's been adrift in space for hundreds to thousands of years with Styders cleaning it up.

[tulip scaffold]

What’s Eden soil 😅

[bold dove]

Unrefined is the crystalized/true form of Element. The Element ore from Aberration.
Refined Element is what Tek uses, and in turn is an alloy.

[bold dove]

The soil of the Eden ring.

[tulip scaffold]

Hm so maybe the metal just mutated and so corruption was born

[bold dove]

Believe it would be from unrefined Element. Because refined Element is just flat out metal that isn't alive anymore.

[tulip scaffold]

How did aberration get element ores

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah I meant normal Element

[bold dove]

Presumably ARK's store a cache of Element to reward survivors for defeating a guardian.

[bold dove]

Normal would be unrefined Element.

[tulip scaffold]

Yes

From those three types of element two are having a hive mind and one of those watched to much Godzilla

[bold dove]

Refined Element I believe doesn't have a hivemind.

It's basically dead.

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah that’s why I wrote from three two have a hive mind

Corruption and normal one

But I don’t think the share the same one

[bold dove]

Yeah, I believe there's a bit of a difference between the two hiveminds.

[tulip scaffold]

One went crazy

Other one just chilling and wants to reproduce

[bold dove]

Element just wants to spread by any means necessary I think. Whether it's from good or bad intentions, it doesn't care.
Corruption is just pissed off 24/7.

[tulip scaffold]

The Teck clone Maschine would be crazy in real life. Need gold ? Just clone some

[bold dove]

That would break our economy.

[tulip scaffold]

A drama queen

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah but it shows Element can change into everything

[bold dove]

Or convert other matter into anything.

[tulip scaffold]

So you’re not element ? I don’t like you die or I will make you to element

[tulip scaffold]

That explains what the arks did. The corruption was deep in the earths crust. Just removing it leads to empty spaces

[bold dove]

Well, no. I don't think Corruption spreads like that, I think it grows more like a plant.
Just like when a plant burrows its vines, it instead pushes the dirt/crust aside for room.
There'd be empty spots for a bit, but as Earthquakes and natural things start to happen again with a healed Earth, those holes will slowly be plugged back up.

[tulip scaffold]

Hm can be cause Element caused the earths rotation to be slowed down

So it needs to add more Masse

How high must elements density be. Wtf

Humans are build different in ark if they can carry weapons made of element

[tulip scaffold]

If we tame all 3 titans and destroy the king titan how can the reseed Protocol be activated. The corruption/ Elment is still there

[bold dove]

King Titan is the big threat that prevents the Reseed Protocol from happening, not the 3 base titans.

Basically the 3 titans would just be sitting there like loyal subjects until they get Thanos snapped out of existance.

[tulip scaffold]

They help destroying them Self

[bold dove]

Basically.

[tulip scaffold]

What a Drama Queen

[bold dove]

Or you slaughter them.
No canon event on that.

Helena states as such that you can use their voice or hearts to summon the king from his throne.

[tulip scaffold]

Voice ?

[tulip scaffold]

Where Are These titans. There Are beeing summond by us but bevor that. Where are there

[bold dove]

What?

[tulip scaffold]

We summen the titans and they spawn. But bevore that.

Where Are they. They just materialize

Out of nothing

[bold dove]

Pretty sure they form from the pollution in the air. But I could be wrong

[kindred burrow]

Id assume that voice in the way that if all 3 titans were gathered in the arena their scream or sound they make would trigger sonething in the hivemind of the element that dispatches then the king titan

[tulip scaffold]

Is it just me or is the King Titan Not that Strong. He was just Lucky that Most of the humans were on arks and could Not fight him. But if the Military were still intakt he would be obliterated in minutes

[tulip scaffold]

Do you think they will Change / rewrite some of the gen 1 and gen 2 Story

[gray hill]

Well, when the King titan appeared, there weren't any ark, so humans were on Earth. You also have to know that he wasn't alone, and the military equipment of that time was made of element and considering the fact that he's made of element, fighting him with those weapons would have been useless

[tulip scaffold]

Yeah but the Military did easy have other Type of weapons or if not someone could Build Something. The Titans is just strong cause all humans are on arks

King Titan is a Poser

[gray hill]

The other weapons could do something, but by that time it was too late. The Titan King had a whole army with many corrupted creatures and the titans. Also, if you placed each survivor from the arks on Earth, the vast majority would quickly die, either due to the environment or the shadows of the element. And if they managed to survive, they would have to learn how to use tek technology, because not all the engrammatic matrices came from the time when element was discovered. (Of course, we are talking about the King Titan in the lore, not the one we fight in the game.)
And when you say that someone could build something to kill him, well, that actually happened. Santiago built the meks, although he and the others, like Kazuma and Helena, died before fighting the King Titan. (In fact, Helena didn’t die, she ascended)

[sage hemlock]

And the Orin Goddard of Mesa came down and saved the rest of the survivors. Transporting them to another timeline.

[rain dock]

There is a science paper that shows that that is impossible

[tulip scaffold]

ARK tek time mashine

[wheat raft]

I kind of wish the non-BTT new creatures had dossiers you could find on the map, rather than just getting them on tame. Would you consider things like Rhyniognatha, Carcharodontosaurus, and Gigantoraptor canon?

[bold dove]

The ARK's are ever changing and have became more hostile over time. There's no reason why they couldn't be canon.

[fallow sapphire]

also tbf, all of the new non-btt creatures have dossiers you can find on the map other then the gigantoraptor (cause it wasn't initially intended for the story maps), or at least so i've been told

i feel i do remember finding a fasalo dossier, and i do know there are now locations for the carch and rhynio dossier

[wheat raft]

Oh shoot didn’t know that lol

[zenith marsh]

yeah you can find a rhynio dossier in some ruins down the river southeast to carno island idk about carcha

[fallow sapphire]

carch i believe is the NE mountain ruins, near where one of the One Who Waits notes is

[lyric tendon]

Personally they are not canon, since most of them are from the creature votes

[lyric tendon]

• helena mentioning cryopods in The Island (rhynio dossier) before she knows about Tek in ab*

[bold dove]

Yeah, that's why I don't even acknowledge the dossiers as a whole to be canon. The flip flop between things that can make sense in the explorer note canon, to shit like that.

But I don't see why the existence of the animals can't be canon post-Helena.
By the time we wake up, the ARK's are arguably in the most hostile state they've ever been in, so I can see new horros being created over time that Helena was never able to see.

[lyric tendon]

That is more in the headcanon territory tbh

[bold dove]

That's a majority of the lore that isn't directly given to us.

[lyric tendon]

Personally anything post helena is pretty much done for the ARKs

[bold dove]

Why wouldn't they produce new creatures though?

[lyric tendon]

It can produce cretures but linking creature votes as canon kinda contradicts the narrative timeline of Helena's journey from human to homodeus

[mental basin]

They are though lmao. This is just an inconsistency.

[bold dove]

I swear I feel like the dossiers have more then this, but I could be wrong.

[lyric tendon]

Some of the new dossiers, are just pure fluff tbh

Not to mention event creatures like the dodorex/wyvern has textless dossiers and the creatures of non-story ARKs has them too

[bold dove]

But either way, if we have three solutions here.
A: The new creatures are just flat out none canon.
B: Wildcard is just wiggling in the creature vote creatures into the timeline, even with the inconsistencies.
C: The creature vote dossiers aren't canon, but the creatures themselves are.

Gonna be honest. I don't think Jeremy would like them to not be canon, since he's always been about adding cool things to ARK and making that part of the narrative. (giant mek fights) so I think we can round that one out.
B: seems likely if they don't care. But C: seems to be the most realistic, since we've already established that the note locations and them being nearly perfectly preserved makes no sense at all.

[lyric tendon]

I mean he can disregard the lore and still be excited about adding new features

BTT and the Fantastic Tames are a great example of features that doesnt feel like it should be canon

[bold dove]

We don't talk about Fantastic Tames.
BTT though is semi-canon, Jeremy has established this.
Tales that he heard about to retell them with his own self insert.

[lyric tendon]

Ahem airships in ab lmao

[bold dove]

And?
There's nothing in the lore to stop air balloons from floating. Only Tek-based devices from flying.

Aberration doesn't prevent things as a whole to fly canonically.

[lyric tendon]

She doesnt mention any steampunkian civilization that somehow outdid what the Tek people wanted to do

[bold dove]

Because they didn't.
We made the steampunk stuff.

[lyric tendon]

Again the point here it is hard to canonify anything post-Ext (genesis has its own chapter) even when everything kinda contradicts to what the original writer intended

[bold dove]

As much as it pains me to say. What Marc did doesn't matter to a degree anymore.
He left almost 7 years ago. And the story was never his, it's Wildcard's.
This is sadly what happens when a IP runs its course longer then it should had and goes through multiple writers.
Jeremy if I recall stated on stream last year that ASA is the definitive version of ARK's lore. And if that's the case, then anything they establish in ASA is the new official canon.

ASE is kind of the Star Wars Legends of the ARK canon now.

Anything they add/rewrite in ASA is likely the new canon.

[lyric tendon]

Cue "animeated series is not canon but gonna shoehorn bits of it anyway"

I miss rockwell when he doesnt care about some kid

[bold dove]

That's the funny part Mazzy.
They never said it wasn't canon. Only that it was loose canon.

[lyric tendon]

I recall he does especially in the crunch

[bold dove]

The moment Dollie said that like...what was that, a year or two ago? I swear to fuck I had a message that was calling that "they're probably going to add bits of TAS into the official canon. But still keep them seperate universes."

Which, yeeeeeeep. If I did do that, I called it.

[lyric tendon]

sees characters in UI looked nothing from the notes

[bold dove]

Bob is a official ARK character now.
Mei x Helena is a official thing.
Rockwell having a daughter will probably be canon as well.

[tulip scaffold]

What had asa changed. I didn’t notice and differences

[tulip scaffold]

What. When was Mei x Helena a thing

[tulip scaffold]

How is BTT semi Canon. What do you mean

[main mural]

bob talking to meeka is canon. the stories on the ark are tall tales AKA not real.

[tribal cairn]

nerva > everyone else

[gray hill]

I think Helena x Mei Yin already exist since extinction, when Homo-deus Helena says "The love that I found" and shows the image of the sixth note of aberration when she reunites with Mei Yin

[lyric tendon]

would be funny if Rockwell made corrupted Nerva as a mockery for Helena's Respawned Survivor for the final boss

[bold dove]

That was added in the last year of ASE's lifecycle

[tulip scaffold]

@mental basin Tell us more

[obsidian jasper]

where does him having a daughter stem from? I thought i was pretty well versed in the lore

[obsidian jasper]

yeah it was always cannon that they had feelings but it never went past that really

[bold dove]

TAS within the previews at the end of the last episode, it's hinted that he has a daughter.
As well one of the voicelines for the Rockwell heads during the Antechamber in Gen2 calls out for someone named "Charlotte."

[bold dove]

It wasn't until the new intro for Extinction back at the end of ASE's lifecycle that we got a hint of this relationship.
Beforehand, the notes during The Island had them only as friends. And even that's a bit of a stretch.
Helena only meets Mei-Yin to study her tames, and then convince her to help Helena to fight the Megapithicus because Mei-Yin was known to have the strongest tames on The Island at the time. (The Demon King)
After that, they barely interacted until they meet back up in the volcano as Mei-Yin is hunting down Nerva. But she knocks out Helena and dips out onto Aberration.
Wouldn't be really until Helena reaches Aberration that they would actually be what normal people consider "friends." As their previous relationship on The Island was more of a mutual benefit.

Mei-Yin was pretty anti-social during The Island notes.

[tulip scaffold]

And wasnt she together with Diana at that time

[bold dove]

Yeah, I feel like if they where a thing in the notes and that was actually planned from the start. That Helena would a bit pissed at Mei-Yin for basically cheating on her. As there appears to be no resolution to their relationship.

[lyric tendon]

plus there is no chemistry between Mei and Helena in the original notes compared to Ab

[bold dove]

And Helena 100% knew that Diana and Mei where a thing by the time Mei-Yin was holding the dying Diana in her arms.
Note Helena was more of Note Mei-Yin's closest friend, I always imagined more of a sisterly relationship.

[bold dove]

Note Helena and Mei-Yin's relationship was more like meeting that one friend you had that hasn't been online for 8 years, then talking to them again and seeing they got a better life then you do now.

[lyric tendon]

also Helena is literally intimidated by Mei throughout the island

[bold dove]

To be fair, note Mei-Yin was pretty fucking scary.

[lyric tendon]

she is

[bold dove]

We only got hints of her mercenary past in TAS. But we actually get to read that shit in the notes.

Note Mei-Yin also kept getting fucked over during The Island.

Still remember that she had a good relationship with a tribe she was paid to defend, before she was framed for their last attack.

[lyric tendon]

i mean Mei being scary AF is very justified since she is little to no trust issues in The Island, especially the framing and the betrayal plotted by The New Legion

i was gonna type that

what i love about Note Mei is her goal is freaking simple

she just want to go home

[sharp walrus]

all the custom arks are non cannon right?

[obsidian jasper]

yes you're correct the friendship didnt really solidify till aberration. on the island Helena at most, merely fond of mei yin. not really friends at that point

[obsidian jasper]

ah i need to go back and watch the previews and the antichamber fight i was more focused on killing him then lol

[lyric tendon]

Nope, it is called "non-story ARKs" back in ASE for a reason

Also confirming from previous crunches that they are still not canon

[tulip scaffold]

So After all the things metioned mei x Helena isnt that likely. I think with the love I found Part she meant platonic love not romatic

[bold dove]

Well, no. It's confirmed in the BTT intro's that Mei x Helena is a thing.
I was just saying above that's a new piece of lore, and the notes never hinted towards an actual romatical relationship between the two.

[tulip scaffold]

Never saw the Intro what did it Display

[bold dove]

Watch them on YouTube.
I tired.

[tulip scaffold]

Wich one ?

[fringe anchor]

How do survivors communicate with eachother absent characters like Mei Yin and Nerva having little to no way of learning fluent english in their lives pre-island; do the implants translate or were the clones adjusted to each knowing english?

This has genuinely puzzled me

[lament raft]

the implant feeds the translation into their heads

theyre all speaking different languages, and everyone hearing them just knows what theyre saying because of the implants auto translating

[bold dove]

Implants are universal translators.

[karmic lodge]

Neddy the noodle has a pretty deep explanation of the world. Might have to watch it two or 3 times but it explains everything

[lofty scaffold]

Need them irl would solve alot if issues

[west kernel]

Why did Helena not understand that kid in the series?

Just inconsistency?

[bold dove]

Yep

[west kernel]

Sweet beloved inconsistency.

Are we expected to wait for another survivors in Lost Colony?

Seems pretty established that there is always 4 main characters per map.

So aside from Mei-Yin notes what can we expect?

[bold dove]

Didn't Gen2 only have three?

[arctic bison]

Gen 2 had 4. it had HNL-A, Nida, Santiago and Gabriel

[bold dove]

Oh, that's true.

Welp, if I have to guess. We could get something for Mei-Yin, Diana, Possibly yet another Santiago clone, and Helena/The One Who Waits.

Or two new characters.

[granite cargo]

Do the Arks save extinction and turn it into Rag?

[bold dove]

Custom-Map's aren't canon

[granite cargo]

Thank you!

[sharp walrus]

prob not considering that i think all the arks came down earth may be cooked because of aberation still existing dont know lore that much

[bold dove]

Nah, the ARK's have neutralized Aberration more then likely.

If there was a fighting chance on Earth. Rockwell wouldn't had B-lined his giant calamari ass onto Arat-Prime and uploaded himself to get away.

[sharp walrus]

thats assuming aberation was the only ark with raw element

[bold dove]

They all have Element. That's what they give to survivors after defeating guardians.

[sharp walrus]

thats refined element

not raw element 2 very diffrent things 1 is safe the other not so much

[bold dove]

We don't know the autotomy of an ARK. But we can assume they all work the same.
If Aberration has a giant ass vault full of raw Element in its deepest regions. We can assume every ARK has a raw Element cache before converting it into refined Element.

[sharp walrus]

kk also what happens to all the creatures on the arks do they stop respawning or are they contuined to respawn

[bold dove]

Because from what we've seen/where told in the notes. Refined Element can't spread, as it's basically dead.
So they'd need a raw Element stash to allow it to infinitely grow. But possibly having some sort of filtering system like the Genesis-ship has so it doesn't go out of control

[bold dove]

The Respawn Protocol ends the moment the ARK's arrive back on Earth.

[sharp walrus]

so theres only a limted amount of those creatures

[bold dove]

Unless they pull something out of their asses. That does technically mean that Lost Colony will be the first map where respawning is 100% just a mechanic.

[bold dove]

Correct.
But them being able to reproduce so fast is tied to their genetics. So extinction won't be an issue.

Overpopulation may be an issue though.

[sharp walrus]

whats the lost coloney

[bold dove]

The first official expansion coming to ASA.

It's be set on Arat-Prime.
It'll be set between Extinction and Genesis-1.

[sharp walrus]

esspically for reapers who can seemenly reproduce from 1 female left since they can theroeticly impregnate anything

dunno how reapers reproudce just know dmg it a lot get impregnated alien style and reaper baby later

[bold dove]

That's assuming anything but Rockwell survived the crash.
Aberration was in shatters.

Reapers Queens where also found only in the radiation zone.
Which is near the bottom of the ARK.
The likely spot that would impact first and take most of the kenetic energy from crashing onto Earth.

Those Reapers dead.

[sharp walrus]

and whats not to assume other arks have those creatures as well because aberation wasnt allways a cave map it was forced to be that way after the tek tribe nuked the aberations overseer destroying the arks sheild causing anything to be iradiated and instanly be set ablaze during the day unless underground

it used to be a place like other arks until it got destroyed by solar rad and very hot no ozone sun rays

[bold dove]

Been confirmed by the original writer that stuff like Nameless and Reapers where a byproduct of the ARK retaliating against the survivors after the bombed the Overseer.
So, just like wyverns. More then likely unique to a specific ARK to fill a specific need.

[sharp walrus]

oh ok

what about people transfering creatures and items across arks

[bold dove]

That's not fully canon.
Only way to transfer is via the ARK's respective Overseer.

[sharp walrus]

so all the cool creatures from aberations are gone like glow dogs every light pet karcos aberent versions of creatures and rock drakes are just gone

[bold dove]

Unless Wildcard decides otherwise. They're all likely dead, besides a few handful.

[sharp walrus]

what happened to tall the overseers when the arks landed?

[bold dove]

Presumably shut down. As they're no longer needed.

[sharp walrus]

so you cant transfer things between genis ship and earth if fast enough

[tulip scaffold]

What do you mean

[main steppe]

It’ll probably be Helena reactivating in the radius/area of Lost Colony

[main mural]

the arks send out a giant blast to destroy corrupted element and everything else lol assuming the arks overlap then aberration would've been blasted after it crashed.

[tulip scaffold]

Whait. So how did Rockwell then Survive ?

[main mural]

rockwell left. rockwell is probably like the titans and aren't killed by them hence the reason the arks didn't just land.

[bold dove]

The Titans are killed by them though

They're literally made out of Corruption

[main mural]

if that was the case then the arks would've just landed...

highly concentrated corruption

[bold dove]

This has been explained countless times in here.

[main mural]

see

[bold dove]

Was writing that

[bold dove]

And they can't land because of the Titan's causing a fuck ton of Corruption. Because they are Corruption.
As he states, it has only gotten worse to the point the Reseed Protocol could no longer be activated without cutting off some portion of Corruption manually.
That's why the moment the King Titan dies, the ARK's can land and get rid of the rest of the Corruption/Element.

[main mural]

thats just agreeing with me 😂

arks can't kill the titans because of their levels of corruption.

[bold dove]

Yet, you where saying they weren't Corrupted.
"They're literally made out of Corruption
if that was the case then the arks would've just landed...
highly concentrated corruption"
The Titan's aren't "highly concentrated corruption"
They're just more Corruption.
The ARK's can kill them. But they weren't meant for that, as Titan's where out of the equation when the ARK's where being constructed.
But they don't. Because of their protocol preventing them from coming down and just blasting them, Thanos style.

[main mural]

I responded to "The Titans are killed by them though"

highly concentrated corrupted is more corruption same difference.

[bold dove]

Which you disagreed with.

[main mural]

yeah, because if they could then they would've.
if you are just gonna assume they can but don't because of the reseed protocols then what would the reason for that be.
why would they set a limit on the reseed protocle if it could handle it anyway.

there is just no reason to assume it can handle the titans when we know they don't land because of them.

[bold dove]

Because the ARK's where created with the mindset that the Corruption would die off over time on a dead planet/at least get weaker. Not keep getting stronger.

[main mural]

they were designed to wait until it got weak enough where it could destroy the rest.

thats what happened at the end of extinction

[bold dove]

Yerp.
And it only got stronger.
The entire point is the process of the ARK's and The System are flawed. So flawed that it required breaking it to actually save Earth.
Corruption was still pretty unknown and alien by the time the ARK's where made for them. So they didn't know it would just keep getting stronger.
This is shown in The One Who Wait's notes, as she mentions the ARK's where never made to last thing long in orbit. That due to The System keep increasing the standard to get onto Earth and activate the Reseed Protocol, to the point it's impossible for the average survivor to meet The System's requirements to reach Earth without breaking it.
It's why Helena sends us to Aberration, a destroyed ARK that has a portal made by the Tek-Tribe to finally break the endless loop, go onto Earth, and manually kill the Titan's and lower the Corruption ourselves so the Reseed Protocol can be activated.

Stel can correct me when he has the time to. But that's what I remember of being taught of the lore.

[elder hemlock]

That's a lotta words

[plush isle]

looks like it

[lament raft]

that is how language works

[lyric tendon]

people didn't read the notes be like

[plush isle]

sounds about right

yeah

[tulip scaffold]

Despite the fact the King Titan seems to control every single corrupted creature INCLUDING the other Titans in Extinction it doesn't seem to be capable of controlling Rockwell

[bold dove]

Rockwell has a bit of independiance it seems. Since his main goal during Aberration's fight is to kill the Titan's and restore Earth in his vision.

(his exposition dumping during the fight.)

[lyric tendon]

because Ab (where Rockwell is) is beyond KT's reach at that time

[bold dove]

That's....not how that works I believe.

[lyric tendon]

did you not remember the true ending of Ext?

[bold dove]

True ending?

[lyric tendon]

Ab crashed after the reseed protocol is activated

[bold dove]

Correct.
But what does that have any indication or any evidence that Rockwell would get controlled by the King Titan?

[lyric tendon]

and the whole reason why the ARKs are beyond the stratosphere is because it's beyond corruption's reach

and remember the Ext exclusives are also technically count as corrupted but they are not under the influence of KT

[bold dove]

But...they're not.
They're Element-infused.
Corruption is specifically the growths on the creatures that cause them to go rabid, and the Titans.
Everything else is Element.

It's the same as the Corruption-look-alike the Obelisks have.
It's all Element. Just weird choice of artistical direction to make stuff like the Obelisk and Element Nodes purple.

Rockwell isn't Corrupted either.
He's a Element-infused abomination, akin to the Ext exclusives.
Difference is, is the Ext creatures evolved alongside Element to have a symbiotic relationship.
Rockwell just flat out injected himself with liquid Element that was more unpredictable.

[floral sedge]

Rockwell looks pretty buff in aberration

Do yall think it’s a good idea to consume some element for some muscle mass

[cunning wolf]

So I noticed the wondering titan dose not seem to have the X on his chest is that another titan or did it just buged for me

[brazen birch]

Diddy touched rockwell

[bold dove]

It's suppose to be the King Titan. But just like in ASE, they forgot to add the scar to the 3D model

[cunning wolf]

Thx g I was wondering

[cyan mist]

yk rockwell did it wrong

your supposed to snort it

[viral dirge]

What do we know about lost colony lore wise?

[lyric tendon]

soon™️

[floral sedge]

We follow in meis footsteps or something

[lament raft]

will probably explain what happened to Mei and Diana after they left the Extinction area

and it will be very cold

[kindred burrow]

Kinda hoping for an cold that will kill alot of things if not correctöy prepared

[sacred zinc]

I believe the reason Rockwell isn’t controlled by the king titan is because the king titan and the other titans have been said by Helena to be vessels for the sort of “consciousness” that the corruption has (not a true consciousness but still malevolent) and they are made purely from corruption instead of being corrupted creatures, they’re hollow vessels made purely for its consciousness. Rockwell is a conscious being whose mind is corrupted but not controlled (supposedly because he’s conscious). He can’t be controlled because he’s intelligent but he can be manipulated into hate

I don’t remember which number of The one who waits dossiers it is but it’s located on the north middle side of sanctuary on top of a small bridge overlooking the north gate

[bold dove]

So been established by someone else more smarter then me in dm's. But tl;dr is that (firstly Corruption is 100% conscious. It's just full of hate. The King Titan ran away out of fear from being harmed) Element and Corruption aren't really that different, and Corruption is just the endpoint/mature state of Element. If they where different, there'd be competition or hatred towards each other, yet we've never seen this.
Yet as it stands, the King Titan is less of the manifestation of Corruption, and more just an avatar for the Corruption. (think of the Hive Tyrant from Warhammer and how the Hivemind is a independent, non-physical leader. Yet the Hive Tyrants are direct avatars it can control or the avatar can have independence)
The reason why the King Titan can't control him is due to this. The King Titan doesn't have that power over Rockwell, because he's under Element's influence. And in turn, already is controlled by the Corruption/Element.
Just for some unknown reason, he still has most of his conscious attached, just more obsessive and angry.

We can see whatever influence Rockwell was under yeeting itself away from him during his last moments on Gen2. How he went from "pissed and angry" to "sad and scared"

[sacred zinc]

I was just about to say, it’s like the consciousness withdrew itself when it realized that Rockwell was gonna die

[bold dove]

Yeah, he was no longer useful to it.

"Ight, I'mma dip out" is what the hivemind said before leaving him.

[bold dove]

Also, small detail I just realized.
Rockwell didn't gain his god complex until Aberration, when he started experimenting on new life and mutations.
Compare this to Scorched where the worse he did was just poison a village full of ethically questionable people. (though the baby didn't deserve anything)
So makes me thing that his god complex of wanting to create life was a byproduct of his influence then it was an actual unique thought from himself.