lore-nerdz

[visual bolt]

the hell is that

[fallow sapphire]

Arat is the planet Ark 2 is set on

[visual bolt]

ah

i thought it was just another ark

[fallow sapphire]

Very creative name, seeing as the launch site of the ship was Arat Prime

Very creative bunch the ark 2 survivors are

[bold dove]

They're confirmed to be after.

Also wouldn't make sense for Rockwell to be in Genesis 2 if Extinction's events never happened, as the ending of Extinction was what caused the ARK's to return to Earth, and for Rockwell to get onto the Genesis ship

[cinder peak]

idk if this is in the right channel but theres a santiargo note on ab in my notes but idk if its on the map anyone know if its on the map

[kindred burrow]

He is doing a endgame iron man moment and taking last notes

[crisp echo]

Who's reading me the ark story in chronological order start to finish

[rain dock]

You want us to tuck you into bed too?

[lyric tendon]

Make sure you brush your teeth first

[fallow sapphire]

Dont forget to floss as well

[young surge]

brush your only tooth

[lyric tendon]

ok mom

[ember yacht]

In a distant future, humanity faced extinction due to technological hubris and environmental collapse. To preserve life, an advanced civilization created the ARK, a massive simulation designed to test human resilience. Survivors were uploaded into this world filled with dinosaurs and fantastical creatures to adapt and evolve.
Among them, brave explorers uncovered the ARK's dark secrets—each environment was a trial, a reflection of humanity's struggle for survival. The Aberration underground revealed mutations from failed experiments, while Scorched Earth introduced elemental powers and the harshness of a desert.
As they ventured further, the Extinction event loomed, bringing forth monstrous Titans that would either save or doom them all. Finally, with Genesis, survivors entered a simulated paradise, unraveling the true intentions of their creators and fighting against the corrupted beasts that threatened their world.
Through hardship, betrayal, and discovery, these survivors forged their destinies, seeking hope in an ever-evolving struggle against both nature and their own creation. Would they rise as a new humanity or succumb to the past? The fate of all rested in their hands.

[meager ferry]

Look up the ARK: Genesis - Announcement Trailer | PS4 on youtube.
Helena literally creates HLNA right in front of you while you are getting beamed from Extinction to Genesis.

Possibly since the survivor wouldve been the only one to assemble to tek console and the only one aware HLNA after everyone else was awakened from stasis as the landings happens after one of the genesis rings explodes.

In the trailer, the tek console and stone inscriptions are likely to have been assembled from the survivor as it is evidence they survived the crash landing onto Planet Arat.
And that dodo picking on the implant? prolly your survivor also.

[bold dove]

That trailer is no longer canon. In Gen2, it confirms that HLN-A was on the ship prior the The Survivors arrival.

[lyric tendon]

Also Nida is aware of HLNA's existence (but not met) long before the survivor

[novel mist]

🤓

[bleak light]

I always got the impression that HLNA got summoned by Helena in that trailer, To me it seemed like HLNA got pulled from elsewhere to show up in front of you when you ascend to Genesis.

[lunar gulch]

What are you guys writing here 😂🙉👍🏼

[lyric tendon]

why are you here?

[limber valley]

It's in the portal region somewhere, it's an added note from Genesis Chronicles part 2.

It's technically Santiago note 0

[still ether]

the map lore goes island, scortched, abberation, gen 1, gen 2, then extinction, right?

and extinction cant go before genesis because you need to clear earth of the monsters and after you clear it you turn into that god form at the end right?

im pretty sure extinction is last

[fallow sapphire]

Island, scorched, aberration, extinction, gen 1, gen 2

Your point on the homo deus is up in the air, as there isn’t an actual way to become a homo deus anymore. On top of that, your character from the ARK’s doesn’t have to be the same one as on the Genesis maps

[still ether]

nah, hemunclus has to have been the same person to do all of that, he had to have gotten picked up from one of the arks to the genesis ship somehow

[fallow sapphire]

Not specifically, being a fresh survivor is an option for the Genesis maps, unless it is later confirmed otherwise by Fries or the new story map

Its left open to the player, just like how before the prologues and epilogues you character could canonically start on the island or scorched or aberration

[still ether]

but you carry all the engrams also, how would that be lore accurate at all then?

[fallow sapphire]

Like I said, you can be a completely fresh survivor. Literally completely fresh, no transfers, back to lvl 1

However you also can be the same character from the ARK’s, as there is a link from Arat Prime (the same way Rockwell got to the ship) that allows your character to get to the Genesis maps

[bold dove]

The Island, Scorched, Aberration, Extinction, then Gen 1-2

[lofty scaffold]

Honestly gen 1/2 are slightly disconnected imo where island Se abb and ext were abt saving earth gen1/2 is about finding a different planet but tbh it's all up to your interpretation if it's the same character or if it's a fresh start

[bronze turtle]

hmm I am bit hmm confused what planet the arks scientist choose to terraform using the Arks? seems like diffirent solar system

[manic flint]

Its snowing so here is a fact, the kurucu penguin lived 24-27 million years ago and was 4.3 feet tall, you can find them in museums, or in the arctic of ark [game for those on other discords] today.

[fallow sapphire]

The ARK’s repaired Earth after a apocalyptic event took place

[bronze turtle]

@fallow sapphire reallt I though it was diffirent planet so even the ark can terraform the moon to?😅

[manic flint]

Extinction is earth 🌎

[bronze turtle]

owh okay I though other planet from the simulation dream😅

[fallow sapphire]

I mean, i guess theoretically it could, but also the moon is like completely shattered and i doubt it could put the pieces back together

[bronze turtle]

but before the planet terraformed seems bir bigger than earth or do I seen it big?🤔

[fallow sapphire]

I mean, earth is a pretty massive planet

[manic flint]

Gen 1 is a test simulator for your future and has no real tie in with reality other than its dangers

[bronze turtle]

owh

[bronze turtle]

byt wht though bsck earth really needing colony ships,before they work on earth the humans live where?mars or somewhere?

[fallow sapphire]

They lived on earth, and developed the ARK’s to fix earth and the colony ship to leave earth

[manic flint]

Didn't think of that....

Wow

[bronze turtle]

secondly how they get the resources to get it all since earth literally barren wasteland?🤔

[fallow sapphire]

Well, its a barren wasteland on the surface, but that doesn’t mean that the resources below the surface are barren

Plus, magic space rock (aka element) really helps out

[bronze turtle]

so tehy use element wisely,but from the war there 2 faction,the one agree using element on all and one refuses about it that caused earth destroyed,are these twoo really willing to help eachother even all this caused of diffirent opinions of the element uses?

[fallow sapphire]

Well, in the face of the extinction of all human kind, the idea that they would put aside their differences isn’t to crazy

[bronze turtle]

all caused from diffirent opinions of element lol causes earth turn to barren😅

[fallow sapphire]

Plus they still had different plans, the ARK’s were mostly the URE’s plan and the colony ship was the Federation’s

[bronze turtle]

owh,but one thing after the war where the humans reside when progressing the ark plans?

seems bit unknown to me since the survived one need somewhere to lived

[fallow sapphire]

Well, at that point the world wasn’t a complete barren wasteland. It progressively got worse, especially as corruption gained more power

[bronze turtle]

ey?

[fallow sapphire]

Plus they had space stations for some projects, like “The Farm” where they originally cultivated the prehistoric creatures

[bronze turtle]

research starion and each but somewhere else far from earth?

[fallow sapphire]

Just above the atmosphere, nothing to crazy far

[bronze turtle]

lol It hought it was in space😆

[fallow sapphire]

That is in space

[bronze turtle]

id nesr atmosphere isnt not get up hitted by the arks that they prepared?🤔 sincd they mus tposition all teh arks to make earth terraformed well

[fallow sapphire]

The coexistence of the two isn’t unlikely, but it’s also possible they dismantled the stations after all the tests were done and they knew how to replicate creatures and all

[bronze turtle]

lol unpacking space station that neat

so after all succeed are the humans gonna leave their Tek technologies behind and bsck to jurassic age in earth?🤔

[fallow sapphire]

On Earth its a forced restart as element has been completely removed from Earth

On Arat (setting of Ark II) its more of a choice to not use tek

[odd latch]

Rockwell’s favorite song is somebody is watching me by Rockwell

[limber valley]

And a Rockdrake's favorite song is Invisible by Duran Duran

[bold dove]

They're forced to.

Like idontsk8 stated, the ending of Extinction destroys literally **ALL ** Tek on Earth, including any constructed Tek buildings or weapons on the ARK's themselves.

Though, doesn't mean they're forced to go into a primitive era.
Anything non-Tek, so fabricated stuff are all safe from the ARK's. So technically, humanity has a small headstart.

[limber valley]

This obviously falls apart if you subscribe to the theory that everything in the universe is made up of element, as evidenced by the Cloning Machine and how the implant compacts resources without nullifying their weight.

Although this could just be an example of Energy-to-Matter conversion & vice versa.

Really depends on which angle you want to go at it

[bold dove]

A: we don't definitively know how the Cloning Machine works. Element shards could just be the fuel to power it, and the machine itself collects/reworks the air on an atomic level to turn it into the correct biological matter to recreate that creature 1:1. (same as Rockwell does to the Genesis ship, as he rewrites the metal on a atomic level to convert it into meat.)

B: that's not how implants work canonically. That's purely a gameplay mechanic.

And if everything is made up of Element, then Earth itself, or the creatures coming out from the ARK, or us ourselves would've disolved with the Corruption at the end of Extinction.

[limber valley]

Like I said, my interpretation is stupid

[bold dove]

It could be a Lambent situation from Gears of War, where everyone is contaminated with 'juuuust' enough that it can be harmful in the long-term, but in the short-term it's fine and just acts as a minor dose of radiation.

[limber valley]

What I think we can all agree on though is the the "Fantasy Creatures" were definitely built for the Element War.

Why else would you need creatures that were radiation proof or direct counters to one another?

I doubt they were intended for Genesis or the Arks

The Rockdrake vs. Reaper rivalry is encoded in their very DNA

[bold dove]

So, Marc confirmed their origins.
Or, at least the Reaper/Nameless that we can then use for the rest of them

[limber valley]

I know the nameless were mutants at least

[bold dove]

The ARK itself made the Reapers and Nameless

[limber valley]

Oh

[bold dove]

Yeah

[limber valley]

Intriguing

[bold dove]

And in Scorched, it's hinted at (and confirmed by Marc stating the ARK itself made the Reapers) that the Wyverns and Mantises where made specifically to destroy Nosti. Due to the ARK noticing how out of control its control was getting.

[limber valley]

Still begs the question to why they would bake in counters to these creatures, like how Rock Elementals resist the Wyvern breaths (though Raia is able to kill one with her Lightning Wyvern just fine).

Maybe the Arks wanted the survivors to figure out how to overcome challenges in unique ways?

I mean, it certainly explains why we have to get a Chalitherium utterly hammered to tame them.

[bold dove]

Probably just a gameplay thing, as Wyverns are suppose to be the apex predator of the ARK.
The ARK's aren't really meant for testing, as they are more for preserving.
The reason why Nosti was destroyed was because the city was consuming too much of the ARK's finite resources. So it had to destroy everything and kill everyone in it to collect its due debt.

[limber valley]

I personally would still like to think that the fantasy Creatures more likely were "introduced" into the environment as opposed to being created from scratch.

[bold dove]

You do you. But the ARK's are able to create or do anything on the spot if it needs to.

[limber valley]

True, they are a very adaptable ecosystem.

Who needs natural selection when you've got a Homo Deus just 3-D printing a new critter to immediately fill in a niche in the environment

[bold dove]

Well, it's not even the Homo Deus that does it.
Aberration didn't have an Overseer for months to years after it exploded, until Rockwell took over.
The ARK itself is kind of an independent artificial intelligence.

Though, it could also be The System itself doing all of that instead of the ARK.

[limber valley]

That's true, I remember how Helena notes how some of the more "unstable" Homo Deus revert to an almost robotic state, shedding their personalities to cope with their situation

[bold dove]

That's just all of them.
That's their end state from aging.

Helena will eventually become no different.
Though, that'll take hundreds to thousands of years.

[limber valley]

I thought she just "moved on" after Extinction, just fading from existence entirely now that her goals were achieved

Hell, those weren't even her goals, they were what NEEDED to occur

[bold dove]

She still exists, just went back to her pocket dimension.
She wanted to see the sunrise one last time in person.

[limber valley]

Ah

[bold dove]

And she created HLN-A, and seem to have some influance in ARK-2.

"Starring Vin Diesel ("Riddick") as legendary ARK hero Santiago, experience an epoch-spanning adventure as he seeks to protect his daughter Meeka -- voiced by Auli'i Cravalho ("Moana") -- from the ghosts of the ancient past and visions of a new future."
The last part with ghost could be taken metaphorically due to his trauma. But if taken literally, Helena do be lookin like a ghost now. And she is part of his past.

[limber valley]

Helena has influence on Arat?

Interesting.

I knew they were 4th dimensional beings, but I hadn't thought of the fact that they could just ignore Earth and "observe" elsewhere.

Maybe it'll be through notes she makes that we'll see the history of the Aratti peoples, if they can't exactly tell us themselves that is.

I doubt we are on speaking terms given what we saw in the trailer

[bold dove]

Like, they're omnipotent without any cool powers. So yeah, she could probably stalk some random bozo alien 50-trillion galaxies away from us.

She is just energy afterall.

[limber valley]

The reason why I mentioned history is the fact that Homo-Deus could observe past events and future events, that's one hell of a historian.

[lofty scaffold]

Still think imo any person would go insane if they could see the past present and future just look at anakin Skywalker and eren Yeager

[bold dove]

To be fair, Eren was a bit insane long before the learned he had that ability.

[lofty scaffold]

For freedom!!!!

[bold dove]

Everything comes at a cost. Even absolute freedom.

[limber valley]

Especially Absolut Vodka

That costs $10

[bronze turtle]

owh okay

[fierce bluff]

hey guys, does anyone know of some kind of video, audio that has the VO of all the explorer notes?

preferably the original voice from survival ascended

[lyric tendon]

The "original VO" is only Rockwell and Helena, the rest doesnt have VO

[fierce bluff]

the dino dossiers have a original VO tho

isnt rockwell and helena like 90% of all notes tho xd

[lyric tendon]

Nope

[fierce bluff]

what other notes are there?

i know meiyin is there

[lyric tendon]

You can easily check them in your explorer note tab

[fierce bluff]

oh yeah theres a bunch

[lyric tendon]

Just cheat them in SP if you wonna skip the note run

[fierce bluff]

just want to listen to all the notes while doing something else

because its a lot as far as i remember, i find it fun xd

[lyric tendon]

You cant because there is no VO in other notes, which is 80% of the lore lmao

[fierce bluff]

do ark ascended and evolved have the same notes?

[lyric tendon]

Yes

[fierce bluff]

or are there added/changed/removed

[fierce bluff]

ah alright ty

[lyric tendon]

Ascended added Dear Jane notes which is barely a connection to the legacy story anyways

[fierce bluff]

oh, i can't post links

what i wanted to say is, someone voiced them all over in some playlist. which is nice

[rigid grove]

No, but if you found something that you can listen to for the notes, then good job

[fierce bluff]

wanted to share theem in case anyone else wanted to listen too

[rigid grove]

We don't allow links, if someone wants the video, they can dm or find it

[fierce bluff]

Alright, thanks for letting me know

[velvet maple]

Survival stories ark on YouTube all explorer notes up to aberration

[shell wharf]

Rockwell my fav

[trim sleet]

Didn't the new tames in Ascended add some notes? Did those not have VO?

[kindred burrow]

If you mean cerator and co yes they have a dossier once tamed its unlocked but not voiced

[trim sleet]

Neat.

[worn mica]

Money 💵

=

Vin diesel

[lyric tendon]

ye

[west cobalt]

Just tamed the Archelon and Shastasurus. They have dossier that unlock on tame but are not voiced either. So both stuff from Ark Additions and totally new creatures can get dossier.

Nothing really surprising lore-wise, though. Just creature information.

[west cobalt]

I don't know if this has been discussed, but the hyperlink between the Genesis ship and the Ark network had to be working. Maewings were an invention on the Genesis ship, right? So, how would the ark creature database for Fjordur's ark know about them if the link weren't working? (Yes, I know Fjordur isn't a storyline ark.)

[bold dove]

Because Fjordur is a non-canon map that Wildcard, after acquiring it from Nekatus, decided to add them into the map, just in case you don't own Gen2.

[west cobalt]

That's the out of game reason, yes.

[fallow sapphire]

well, as Fjordur isn't a canon map, then the inconsistency isn't a problem

[bold dove]

That's the both reasons

[meager ferry]

Hopefully we get a Genesis part 3 on planet Arat with it acting as a prologue map to link ark 1 to ark 2

[bold dove]

I would rather an actual connector for Extinction and Genesis-1 with Arat Prime.

[meager ferry]

Arat Prime would make sense, only thing is the reseed protocol would prevent the player from respawning again as mentioned in the explorer notes.
With element getting purged from the planet (also going extinct) , Rockwell basically had to dip as well. So now the boss level threat is already gone and uploaded by the element hivemind via luminal link to Genesis.

[bold dove]

Counter point.
Wildcard can retcon anything if they want.
(also, Helena may be able to do some funky shit like HLN-A did on the Genesis-ship to allow the survivor to respawn post-reseed protocol.)

[west cobalt]

Do you know for sure that the reseed protocol would stop Helena's changes to the system from respawning people? The fact that everybody keeps recloning Santiago (against his wishes) seems that the only missing peice is the part where you keep your memories, which was changed.

The end-credits movies don't touch on any of that. Even at alpha level.

And considering that the humans even on the Arks were still the same petty people they were after reincarnation by the system, I don't hold out for a lack of another element war among the people let out of the Arks.

[meager ferry]

Jeremy mentioned he would slightly alter the end game story portion of extinction with his interview with RaasClark .
He mentioned he would announce by the end of this year which is the retcon you speak of.
The story on earth is already concluded once the reseed protocol is activated.
I don’t see how that would warrant a new map still on earth when they get the upcoming mess of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 to focus on.

[west cobalt]

Well for one it is ambiguous now if you are the same person on the ship as defeated the King Titan. There is no direct link, just presumption because you can contiune from Extinction to Gen 1 (which is again, outside of game and Lore like Mr. Cringewell's argument so far)

So there is potential storyline to explore at the launch site.

So far even the unreliable Bob's Tall Tales narrator has fit the story pretty closely to what is in the notes. I'd be surprised if there was a massive change between ASE and ASA, but some holes could be closed easily.

[bold dove]

The writer has confirmed.

[west cobalt]

Reference?

[bold dove]

Basically, it's up to the player.
Enough wiggle room to decide if your survivor is a continuation or a new survivor

[meager ferry]

It would seem the manner in how Rockwell hijacked the luminal link and start manifesting on the ship would be a more controlled way in which you are cloned in into a sleeping pod with your memories intact.
The survivors body starts disintegrating into a Homo Deus, albeit controlled and stable hence why the survivor is able to fully manifest into a body aboard Genesis ship.

[west cobalt]

That's consistent with the ascension after defeating the Island, at least. You get elevated (or at least digitized) but also moved on. And how the implant "improves" as you progress through storyline maps.

[bold dove]

Also, either road makes sense right now.
It's unreliable now. But the current roadmap places the Surprise between Extinction and Genesis 1's release date.
Not confirmed what the surprise is. But assuming that they confirmed one new Story DLC, and how it's the only section on the roadmap with no official name yet, seems sus to me.

[meager ferry]

The only difference is that you are no longer under the Ark system of influence as you entirely transfer from one survivor to the next which is the Federation system , hence why Helena wasn’t familiar with the system since it was outside the domain.

Same person, different operating system. You are just be converted into a different operating system.

[bold dove]

The implant changes is 100% just a gameplay reward.
Most canon aspects are mentioned in the notes. Like respawning, cloning, engrams, etc.

The implants changing after ascensions have never been talked about in the notes.

Outside of the Extinction ending cutscene, ofc

[west cobalt]

The impant changes are not noted by anybody pre-Helena. If that was part of her change, it makes sense. Your interpretation is inconsistent with the lore.

Our implants change as we complete teh same tasks.

[bold dove]

Helena, Mei, and Rockwell ascended.
The first two ascended twice.
No mentions of their implants at any point

Wait, sorry.

Rockwell and Helena ascends three times

[west cobalt]

Well, Helena and Rockwell ascend once, trick the system and move once to a location of Rockwell's chosing since the SE overseer is a chicksh!t. Helena travels to Earth via Fed tech and converted to Homo Dues Once. Rockwell devolves by uncontrolled (corrupted) element infection

Also, getting all the SE notes I've just re-read through all of that horrid Rockwell story. Dude was a serious jerk.

[bold dove]

They ascend twice. I don't know what you're on about.
The Island and Scorched.

And the Aberration ascension changes your implant as well.

[west cobalt]

They don't do the ascention protocol on scorched. They get to a terminal and transfer much like we do at obelisks to get to Aberration.

We have a real ascension (now for sure) unlike what is still in the notes.

[bold dove]

So again, seems to just be gameplay mechanic.
This is kind of the same argument as people thinking the inventory from the implant is canon.

[bold dove]

What happens in the notes kind of overrides what we experience in-game.
Game development is a real problem that limits writing.

[west cobalt]

There's no mention of Helena's time having implant inventory either.

[bold dove]

Which is my point.

[west cobalt]

So what? It's not lamp shaded like the bizarre behavior of the taming process. It is just a plot hole.

[meager ferry]

Rockwell ascension events are on island via overseer , scorched earth via manticore but stops at aberration .
Helena is an additional ascension via the aberration portal and then homo deused in a corrupted manner.

[bold dove]

Oh, yeah. The knock out taming system is also canon. As Mei tamed Wuzai like that.

[west cobalt]

You can freely speculate as long as you are up front that it is speculation. Just like my wanting to address the non-storyline maps without a word of god statement.

[west cobalt]

No! Go re-read the Megalodon dossier.

In that Helna complains about the bizarre personality changes for tames.

The whole 'as friendly as a golden retreiver' thing.

Over and over again Mei tames things in ways we know aren't available to the player. And ways that don't seem to be available to other people at the time ether - the Rock drakes being an example.

[bold dove]

"The villagers had made taming beasts sound simple, but my first attempt was nearly my last. My prey was the same kind of two legged lizard as the raider's steed, what the villagers called a "raptor", but this one was strong. Even as my toxin laced arrows knocked him out, he was able to make one final lunge for my arm. He nearly took it.

Carefully, I fed him scraps of meat as he rested, and when he finally woke, I kept my weapon trained on him. Only when I was sure that he was docile did I notice his appearance - all black, save his white shins and feet. Right then, I named him Wuzhui, and while I do not believe in fate, I felt that this beast would carry me home."

'Even as my toxin laced arrows knocked him out'

"carefully, I fed him scraps of meat as he rested, and when he finally woke, I kept my weapon trained on him. Only when I was sure that he was docile did I notice his appearance."

She knocked out tamed him.

[west cobalt]

Yeah, so? What has that to do with how she can do that to a Rock Drake?

[bold dove]

Sorry, that was to the original message. Took me a bit to find the note

[west cobalt]

(sorry, a bloody ichthy is stuck in roof and driving my tames nuts)

[meager ferry]

Prolly was a remnant of an older version of taming rock drakes which is now scrapped.
Explains why they are so common in the red and blue zones.

[west cobalt]

Could be. The door to the Tek Cave doesn't fit Gigas anymore.

[bold dove]

That's what I'm saying.
They would 100% mention the drops being part of the environment if they actually existed. Especially since they can mechanically act as mini obelisks. So they wouldn't have to go walk MILES across The Island to an obelisk if they noticed the drops also react to the artifacts.
If it's not mentioned in the notes. It's safe to assume it isn't canon.

[bold dove]

Somehow still fits a Carcha though

[west cobalt]

Carchas are actually smaller. IRL, too. Gigas are part of the Carcha family and one of the biggest. Still were all roughly large-rex sized.

Also, I have somehow lost my taming credits for Rhynio,and again Plesis. WTF, game? It's not the Megalodon dossier I'm qouting. It's Helena Note #12.

It's just about Megalodons.

So, in addition to all of the oddities I found with wild megalodons, here's the real cherry on top: Taming them is a piece of piss. A bit of training and they're more obedient than the family dog.
...

And Note #15 is way more on the nose about how screwy the taming methods are.

Also, the wiki.gg page links to no-longer existing tweets about the dev kits notes that cover the respawn mechanic. It's not in a note, but kind of covered by the She Who Waits stuff and the Graduate Students (who clearly did not respawn even after the time Santiago et al left with some very bloody consequences)

[lyric tendon]

Only the real lore nerd knows the other tribes of The Island aside from The New Legion

[lofty scaffold]

I hope we can see new groups in more dlcs

[west cobalt]

Hey, the Sharks and the Wolves were kind of on point.

[floral sedge]

Yeah she is the reason we can’t knock out tame them cause they patched it when they saw that she tamed a rock drake with tranqs

It’s why we can’t bring gigas into the boss fights cause mei yin RUINED it for us

[serene lance]

Lol

[mental basin]

Of course I'd know him, he's me

Red Hawks, Laughing Skulls, Howling Wolves, Golden Arrows, Painted Sharks

Red Hawks and Laughing Skulls both get one very offhand mention in a single Mei-Yin & Rockwell Note respectively

Not to mention the many unnamed Tribes Helena mentions in her dossiers

[ebon ember]

wuzhui was her raptor in the Island ?

[tame shale]

Fits carcha but doesn’t fit reapers, arks logic

[ebon arch]

so i have a question for yall im just getting into the lore and no one seems to have an answer is the earth safe after extinction?

[main mural]

from element yes, except for the mild problem that rockwell was before going to the genesis ship

[ebon arch]

so when he uploaded himself to the ship did that kill himself on earth?

[main mural]

we don't know.

kinda just jumped from extinction to gen1

[bold dove]

We don't exactly know, but assumed that his Aberration body/his original body was left behind. Because he did have to start from nothing but a consciousness inside the Genesis simulation in the Gen2 notes.

[main mural]

its why most people place the new story map between extinction and genesis it makes the more sense in terms of questions.

[ebon arch]

faIr enough but they probably beat him anyway the arks dropping probably have some tryhards LOL

[bold dove]

Like.
To be fair.
Industrialization doesn't seem to uncommon on ARK's, and given the chance. There's statistically enough survivors to help Helena if she called for any to hunt down Rockwell, and they'd probably would have explosives and comically large tames.

[main mural]

another thing could be if the arks range overlap, rockwell could've been attacked by the arks themselves

since they clean element.

[bold dove]

Yeah, we don't know if they can only pulse once, or as many times as they need. So even if he was in a safe AOE area with Aberration broken. It'd be stupid to stay on the very planet that's currently being fucking nuked from all Corruption.

[ebon arch]

cant wait for the asa version

[main mural]

yeah, its just guesses until when/if they release a story map between them

[bold dove]

I like to imagine the The Survivor is canonically the only thing Rockwell fears, besides death itself.
MF is tied to the Element hivemind, so when he (more then likely) heard that the very same survivor that wooped his ass just killed off the King-Titan, he probably paniced and B-lined it to Arat-Prime's uplink terminal.

[lofty scaffold]

Fr

[meager ferry]

He basically is a manifestation of corrupted/ unrefined element that is sentient but with him maintaining his identity .

So when the unrefined element of Aberration got into contact with the corrupted element on earth , he basically obtained the memories of the element from earth and understood how fukt he was if he stayed during the reseeding process.

So he basically hijacked his way onto the Arat Prime link that was connected to the genesis ships and time passed that allowed him to grow and manifest in a corrupted manner on the genesis ships.

When we get uploaded to the genesis system, it’s via a stable route and our body gets cloned into the pods we wake up from after beating the corrupted master controller.

The only problem with having a new map take place after the extinction is that it prevents you from respawning as said from Helena in the ?????? explorer notes.

This is mainly because the goal of the URE and the arks was to train survivors to kill the titans and create suitable conditions again to begin the reseeding process .
So with the conclusion of extinction it basically meant that the goal of the URE was accomplished.

For the Terran federation objective , they still have to fulfill the goal of successfully colonizing a planet which is evident as shown in the Ark 2.
The thing is , the gap between Genesis 2 and Ark 2 is more ambiguous than the gap between Extinction to Genesis.
They made it quite clear that all they did was go to the other side of the planet after fighting the king titan to Arat prime . Once they saw that reseed protocol required killing king titan , that basically concluded their journey when they activated it.
All that was left was to wait for THE survivor to kill the king titan.

[prime grove]

i dint expect so much knowlege about ark

[prime grove]

and besides thanks for saying this lore

[bronze turtle]

If the new canonical dlc isn't Arat Prime I will be angy

[lofty scaffold]

Same

But I also want to see what other arks were like

[bronze turtle]

Well technically they are all on earth now so

Maybe we get an overview of all the situation

[lofty scaffold]

It's like star wars you can make a DLC take place tbh at any time since we don't have a solid timeline

It can be a prequel

[bronze turtle]

We do have a very solid timeline :0 but they could set it up before the re seed protocol yea

Maybe a full snowy ark

Or lots of mountains

[lofty scaffold]

The story of ark takes place over the course of 1000s of years

Room for prequel stories since they kinda wrote themselves in a corner for future dlc

[bronze turtle]

Yes and we know it all XD, except the gap between ext and gen, therefore ours hopes for Arat Prime , but they did say we will hear more about it before the end of the year! So maybe soon

[lofty scaffold]

There's 100s of arks there's plenty of other stories to tell there's gonna be more then one dlc knowing wc

[bronze turtle]

Honestly I think they'll focus on Ark 2 story

We know it will have lots of cutscenes

[lofty scaffold]

Well there can't be a dlc after gen 2

Because that's what ark 2 is

[bronze turtle]

Do we know if it will be just one or more canon dlcs for ASA?

If more than one, then I hope for more ark stories yea

Would be great

[lofty scaffold]

Tbf ext was supposed to be the final one and you see where that lead

[bronze turtle]

Yup

Which also explains the silly rough story gap to gen

They must fix it >:(

[lofty scaffold]

Especially cus ext and gen were written by separate ppl

[bronze turtle]

Indeed

Maybe in the next crunch or 2 we hear news about it

We did get a release date for ext very soon after ab release

[lofty scaffold]

Yeah but rags next yk

[undone pilot]

Got a lore question yall

Who made the arks and did humans find element

On earth

[lament raft]

long story short; Element came from a meteor hitting earth, people used it to fight wars, poisoned the planet, turns out element has a corrupting hivemind and grows on its own, humans made the arks to try and save earth by making survivors who could come back and wipe it out

[eager shuttle]

So we basically use something we where supposed to fight? That's fun lol

[frosty flax]

Where Tek dinos come from in lore

[lyric tendon]

They don't

It is made as a content add on with no dossier to speak of

[bronze turtle]

Wish they kept tek dinos to extinction and gen 1 only D:

I don't like seeing them on the other story maps

[lyric tendon]

The only varient that is canon are the corrupted

Rest are just for gameplay flavor

[bronze turtle]

Technically the virtual ones on the simulation are also canon, if we count those as actuall dinos

[lyric tendon]

No note to speak of

[bronze turtle]

in that case the griffin is canon

And pyromanes and dreadmares

[lyric tendon]

Non-story maps are called "non story" for a reason

[bronze turtle]

they all in story maps

[lyric tendon]

Defuq

[bronze turtle]

pyromanes in SE and Abb, Dreadmares in SE, griffins in gen 1 and 2

and you can bet the pyromanes and dreadmares will also be in extinction XD

[lyric tendon]

They are not canon lmao

[bronze turtle]

Why? they have a note

[rigid grove]

Having a note doesn't make them canon xd

[bronze turtle]

So you get my point now XD just cause there is note

Doesn't mean they are or are not canon

[lyric tendon]

Dreadmares are just playable ADs and Griffins are Rag exclusive

Also i recall there is no griffins in gen 2

[bronze turtle]

There were a few missions with them

I believe in gen1 as well? not sure tho

[lyric tendon]

Huh

The only mention of griffins are in concept art not in game

I play Gen 2 when it is released in ASE with no spawn mods

[eager shuttle]

But wait a second isn't that big ship in Genesis 2 made out of tek?

[bronze turtle]

The genesis ship has some tek yes

The element is what allowed it to travel fast and far through multiple star systems

[main mural]

the thing they are fighting is the hivemind. most element doesn't have it. the arks, genesis ship, protoark, etc. are all element based

[west cobalt]

Well, HLN-A Discovery #5 (Scorched Earth) covers that it is an Ark that contains creatures that never were. Mei Yin note #31 (The Island) covers that there are a variety of worlds. And HLN-A Discovery #7 (Scorched Earth) covers that the creatures on the Ark change from time to time.

[prime grove]

just an ask about lore guys

who made the unicorns and phoenix in the ark

because that in ark theres only one unicorn and same thing about phoenix in schorched earth

[west cobalt]

Those are just part of the Ark. The Unicorn is what you'd call an Easter Egg in a software program. It's just a regular Equus but fancy.

[prime grove]

oh ok

but its strange say that unicorns are in ark

and prety rare

but phoenix are cool

[west cobalt]

The Phoenix like most creatures are not mentioned outside of a dossier. But that dossier does mention that they were tamed.

[prime grove]

if i remenber rockwell in ascnded theres a note about a potion that you only find killing a imperator crocodile but why?

like i played ascended but still dont know why theres a potion made by rockwell inside a crocodile did it eat the note?

[prime grove]

someone nows why?

[bronze turtle]

Some creatures drop recipes

For many different things

[prime grove]

oh

[bronze turtle]

I dont think the canonical reason is that they ate the papers but we can say so XD

[prime grove]

thanks for the help i was too confused

cuz imagine if it ate rockwell lol

but a last question for today

if rockwell was in aberration then how it got in genesis 2???

cuz we defeat him in aberration and he dies right?

[bronze turtle]

Nop

Long story short, after we beat the king titan on extinction and helena begins the re seeding protocol, all the arks return to earth including aberration with rockwell in it. Then they used the superluminal link at Arat Prime (launch site of the genesis ship) to teleport aboard

[steel vapor]

I feel that gonna pushing back

[prime grove]

i think my favorite chanell for now is this one

too much information that i dint know

[bronze turtle]

It's definitely nice discussing lore and stuff

[prime grove]

yeah

[bronze turtle]

While in general is just ppl complaining XD

Tho I also love looking at screenshots and fanart sometime

[prime grove]

lol i leave general about 10 segounds and theres like 50 mensages at it

[undone pilot]

Wait how do dinosaurs even exist on earth lore

[main mural]

same way they exist on the arks. they were brought back.

[undone pilot]

From

[main mural]

what do you mean from?

same way as the survivors.

[undone pilot]

Where were they brought back from

The dino

[main mural]

what do you mean from? from extinction lol

the protoarks, the city, and the sunken forest all are "safe" from the corruption. so they still live.

the forest is a failed protoark thats why its "safe"

[cold bay]

Why go to Arat Prime/the Genesis Ship. The re-seeding protocol was the end goal wasn't it. We got back to Earth, live happily ever after etc... Besides the devs wanting to add more dlc's, what was the story hook that made us desire to leave extinction/earth?

[bronze turtle]

It wasnt happy ever after because rockwell also came to earth

Near arat prime, learned about the genesis program, launched on board and aimed to conquer the cosmos

[cold bay]

So our character (or I've heard it is possibly someone else) left Earth to simply follow Rockwell?

[bronze turtle]

Indeed

If not, rockwell would def be back in the future much stronger than before

He already had one of the rings fully corrupted, imagine what he'd do to whole planets

[cold bay]

Fair enough. So is Rockwell surviving a "somehow he survived" meme? Or is there a reason he made it out of aberration?

[bronze turtle]

Technically rockwell fused with the aberration ark overseer

So he couldn't die there, just be defeated and then the survivor ascends

[cold bay]

But don't we "kill" the overseer on the island?

[bronze turtle]

No we don't, overseers are the remains of the homo deus that were left to take care of the arks long ago, basically gods

[cold bay]

Ok, but Helena is a homo deus if I'm not mistaken and she dies/sacrifices herself at the end.

[bronze turtle]

She is a homo deus yes but she is not dead

She created HLNA to aid the survivors on the genesis ship

HLNA is not helena

She herself says this

[cold bay]

HLNA is like an ai afterimage right?

I just assumed her original body was dead.

[bronze turtle]

Homo deus don't have a body (?) more like energy beeings apparently, but those on the arks were there for so long that pretty much lost their "essense"

I hope we get Arat Prime dlc after extinction for more clarity on what happened

We know there was at least 8 years~ of time gap between the ending of extinction and gen 1

Cause HLNA says she was created more than 3000 days ago

[cold bay]

So, it seems as though Homo Deus aren't living beings as much as they are data preserved in the arks?

[bronze turtle]

Not sure if it was explained in detail what they are exactly outside of what we already said, but what you said now applies to all the survivors and creatures in the ark and genesis data

Everything is saved up

[cold bay]

But the dinos, survivors etc... are not limited by the arks. Meaning, they can fight the corruption/rockwell. So why are "we" able to do it and Helena cannot?

[bronze turtle]

In the trailer for gen 1 helena says smt like "where you go now, I cannot follow" and creates HLNA to go to genesis, pretty sure she stayed behind to aid and guide the survivors and creatures on earth after the re seeding protocol

[cold bay]

Got it. Thanks for answering!

[bronze turtle]

Just checked, and she said "where you're going survivor, I cannot follow, others need me, and your path leads beyond my reach, but I can grant you a fragment of myself"

And makes HLNA

[eager shuttle]

Bro how do you know so much about the lore

[bronze turtle]

I read every note XD

And I listen to @dense ice videos while I sleep so my brain never forgets all the lore

I hope I didn't say smt wrong until now XD but I think not

[dense ice]

aw

thats very heartwarming

[eager shuttle]

Ok then tell me what are those big walke things on gen2

[bronze turtle]

The stryders?

[eager shuttle]

Yeah

[bronze turtle]

Santiago (one of the characters) designed them as a way to clean the soil and prevent element corruption, the eden ring on genesis is so clean cause there are lots of stryders there

[eager shuttle]

So that's why there is non on the other side of the ship

[bronze turtle]

And because rockwell destroyed them all on the other side yes XD

[eager shuttle]

Ok and the last question just a short version why tf is Rockwell mad?

[bronze turtle]

I mean... He always was kind of a "mad scientist" especially after discovering element on Scorched Earth

And especially after infusing himself with it on Aberration and becoming big monster

[eager shuttle]

Lesson of the day don't do drugs or they will transform you into mad monster lol

[bronze turtle]

XD yup

[kindred burrow]

Rockwell be the parade example of why ypu shpuldnt do drugs and show and tell in school

[lament raft]

technically yeah. but you use refined Element which is fine, the corrupting stuff is pure and unstable raw Element

like the stuff in the red zone pools on Aberration

that's what Rockwell injected himself with to turn into the tentacle monster

[untold prairie]

Would be cool if you can mutate too like fallout games

[floral sedge]

What does element taste like?

[lament raft]

cherry sprite

[unborn beacon]

Grape soda

[vague horizon]

Cherry Pepsi

[bronze turtle]

Purple

[lofty scaffold]

8 years in arks continuity is like 5 mins for us

[bronze turtle]

Less than that actually XD, it was instant

Praying for Arat Prime dlc

[quartz coral]

who was rockwell trying to bring back to life?

[lofty scaffold]

I'm saying in the grand scheme of things cus didn't it take 100s of years to even reach arat

[bronze turtle]

His daughter, Charlotte

[bronze turtle]

As far as we know, the aberration ark landed close to Arat Prime, so rockwell wasn't so far

[lofty scaffold]

Think the lesson is aposolute power currupts absolutely rockwell you can assume he was a decent person in the beginning

[lofty scaffold]

No not Arat prime the planet arat

[bronze turtle]

OH

Yea I guess so

[bronze turtle]

actually

it took around 3000 years

for the genesis ship to arrive on Arat

More or less that

[lofty scaffold]

I always assumed when humanity ended on earth it was many many years before Helena woke up on the beach and many more before the player character to wake up in the beach

Like 100s of years of doom and no hope

[bronze turtle]

We know the element wars and corruption and humanity getting extinct was around 2300, then helena wakes up on island 3000 years later, then we the survivor a few decades or centuries later

[lofty scaffold]

Ah I always just assumed Helena almost was on the brink of giving up untill she saw our Character beat overseer

[bronze turtle]

She was, she didn't even remember some emotions cause it has been so long

A few more centuries and she would end up like the homo deus ppl in the overseers

[lofty scaffold]

After 2k years of nobody beating overseer then I'd probably give tf up

[bronze turtle]

True XD

[lofty scaffold]

But of its been like 200 Years

I'd wait

[lofty scaffold]

But there is a time limit before a homo deus goes insane righht do we know how long ?

[bronze turtle]

Since all the homo deus except helena went insane, we know there is a limit of 3000 years at least

[prime grove]

ya know that the word deus is a portuguese word and saying in inglesh its god

[lament raft]

technically it's latin

for god or deity

[faint condor]

rockwell was not decent he was making concoctions and testing them on tribes and tames per the notes off the island

[turbid pelican]

He definitely was a lot more sane than his animated show counterpart though lol

[eager shuttle]

No he wasn't lol

[viral tundra]

portugese built of latin so doesnt surprise me

[lament raft]

a lot of languages were

[meager ferry]

Yep, different entity with the same memories.

Reminder that the Terran federation was AGAINST the idea of Homo Deus and preferring just using element to make major technological advancements.

In other words, the Terran federation was operating on their own system (Genesis) differently from the ark reseed system (URE).

Basically the Arks(URE) is the Windows system and Genesis ship (Fed) is the iOS system operate differently but achieve the same goal of obtaining a suitable habitat for humanity.

Homo Deus Helena was only able to share her own memory files manifested as a drone (HLNA) since the Terran federation already had their own data stream as the genesis simulation.

The only connecting link between the 2 systems is the Arat Prime link.

[lament raft]

more or less HLNA is to Helena what Cortana is to Dr Halsey from Halo

[limber valley]

Literally this, this is exactly it

[bold dove]

Okay, so new lore stuff to say before I get to work.

Diana x Mei Yin seems to be completely gone, as Meeka states that Diana is her (presumably adopted) mother, while Santiago is obviously her adopted dad.
Soooo, they traded a beloved relationship in the community for Santiago x Diana it seems like.
Bob's True Tales is the next season pass for Genesis 1-2 it seems.
And seems like the next story map is ARK: Lost Colony, some form of snow-based map it seems that TAS may tie into.

So seems like they've gone from making TAS its own canon, to basically now intergrating it into the new official canon.

[bronze turtle]

Damn

@dense ice

Are you ready for this

@bold dove

Just saw the cutscene

I believe diana was her mother on earth, before the collaspe

[eager shuttle]

What cutscene

[bronze turtle]

And Ark lost Colony is def Arat Prime

It's snowy cause it's on the side of the planet where it's always night and cold

God I:m so hyped

[bold dove]

Maybe. But I somehow doubt it.

[bold dove]

That shouldn't be a thing, since the Earth is rotating now.

Now it would still probably be covered in melting ice for a bit, but it shouldn't be always night

[bronze turtle]

We shall see

I hope for it

[bold dove]

Would be another retcon then, if they did

[bronze turtle]

How so? They never showed what happened in betwen the re seed protocol and gen 1

[bold dove]

With the rotation, I mean

[bronze turtle]

Ah

I guess so, but not a bad one

[bold dove]

Like, it would be a bad one.
How would life be able to exist on the other side of the planet that's currently as cold as space?

[bronze turtle]

Huh? but it is rotating again

That's what we're establishing :O

[bold dove]

Right, so it WOULDN'T stay night.

It'd have a day and night cycle

[bronze turtle]

It won't be fully night for sure

The clip with mei yin going there happens way before the survivor even appears on The Island

So it makes sense to be dark and snowy there

I assume they didn't show diana too cause there isn't a model for her on the animated series yet, so they just used mei yin

@snow seal pls tell me ya'll will talk about Lost Colony in today's crunch

ALSO MEI YIN HAS A TEK SPEAR / STAFF THING?!? PLS LET IT BE A WEAPON IN LOST COLONY

[carmine cedar]

Oh LAWD HE COMIN'!!!!

The story hype is real

I'd called it it's gonna be at Arat Prime

It'll end with the survivor taking the hyperlink to the Genesis ship mark my words fr

[carmine cedar]

I'd pay for Bobs true Tales rn if this was the case

Hype is too real

NEW MAP!!!!

[bronze turtle]

For sure

Survivor and Rockwell battling, and both accidentally use the link to teleport

But the survivor gets stuck in the simulation while rockwell can hack it due to being fused with an overseer and corrupting it, and the ship itself

Then genesis happens

[silent violet]

NEW STORY MAP huiywg98ywgi8wguiygw8iygi8wygy8iygs

I’m so excited

[bronze turtle]

I wonder if there will only be mei yin and diana explorer notes there

Maybe from someone that was living or working at arat prime back then too

[dapper thistle]

It would be a really weird thing to change, we'll have to see if they adjust the extinction explorer notes to change some things

[split nebula]

I am having a really hard time downloading the game and not getting the full use of my network can anyone help me out please dm me

[dapper thistle]

Because I remember it being pretty cut and dry that Mei Yin and Diana and basically riding happily off into the sunset

[carmine cedar]

I think it’ll more like, Rockwell starts hyperlink procedure

—> you fight through to him to try and stop him
—> but he’s already uploaded part of himself
—> you barely have time to make it through and thus cant go in ur own body, only transferring ur consciousness to the simulation

||MEEKA IS DIANA AND SANTIAGOS CHILD???!!!!!||
MASSIVE IF TRUE SPOILERS

[bold dove]

Would be cool if the moment you kill Rockwell, he actually already uploads his consciousness to the Genesis ship, leaving his old body behind.

[forest epoch]

Same here, really such a weird thing to change. Myself and a lot of the community loved the relationship, just strange they'd change it, unless Meeka's "mom" is just another reincarnation of Diana? Sort of like how Santiago was at the end of Gen 2 iirc?

[dapper thistle]

Ohhh that would be interesting

[clever junco]

I called it!

[dapper thistle]

could be adopted too, though

[forest epoch]

But oml another Rockwell boss fight hrgggg idk how to feel about that 😭. I can't wait to see where they take the story between Extinction and Gen 1! Bc I loved Gen 1 and it'll be cool to see how they play it all out.

[forest epoch]

True

[dapper thistle]

Imagine you've got to battle some derelict AI guarding the upload point

[forest epoch]

Oooh, now that would be interesting!

[dapper thistle]

I do not want to kill the old man again lol

[proper edge]

I fear another Rockwell boss fight would be inevitable 😔

[carmine cedar]

Rockwell Rockwell everywhere no other villains to find

[proper edge]

I wouldn’t mind another Rockwell if we had other bosses to fight first. Kind of like Moeder in Genesis

[forest epoch]

Same sadly. I get he's the other "pillar" of element but still 3 boss fights potentially 4 is a lot 😭

[proper edge]

They gotta use Tennant as much as possible 😔🙏

[forest epoch]

LMAO real. Milking him dry

[dapper thistle]

This is very crackpot, but imagine we ally with Rockwell to beat whatever could be guarding the upload point

[forest epoch]

I like that idea better. Also omg Moeder mentioned?! I never fought her but always wanted to. Also if we could please just have a map with a lot of water WildCard...Gen 1 ocean biome was peak.

[proper edge]

oh my god delete my message again…

[proper edge]

The teaser for Lost Colony seems to be very chilly

So if anything, everything would be frozen

(Maybe we could access water under the ice though 👀)

[forest epoch]

Oooh hmm. Interesting theory. But then why would he turn on us in Gen 1? Perhaps just getting too crazy or he had to ally with us but is like Nope lol

[dapper thistle]

Ally by necessity

[proper edge]

Unoriginal opinion incoming:

Aberrant Rockwell should’ve kept his monsterous noises, and his voice lines should be moved to either Master Controller or Prime

[forest epoch]

Bett. That would actually be so cool! And could make sense bc the water under the ice would be warmer. Also potential thermal areas?

[bold dove]

Could be a Flood situation from Halo 3, where we HAVE to ally with him begrudgingly or else we both die.

[forest epoch]

Agreed. I haven't fought him in ASA yet, but he has voice lines?

[bold dove]

Though, I doubt they'd do that.

[dapper thistle]

I was literally just thinking that haha

[forest epoch]

Ahh I see. That could be interesting though

[proper edge]

I know his Aberrant form has voice lines in ASE. I’m going to assume they kept them in ASA

[lyric tendon]

i finally know what Leauge Lore Nerds feels like with Arcane, the retcon is real

[forest epoch]

Ohh yeah

I forgor about his ASE voicelines ngl

[bold dove]

Man, why couldn't they do cool retcons like the vaults being experiments in Fallout.

[forest epoch]

I'm not caught up on Arcane even though I've been meaning to watch it; but did they really retcon. Bc if so maaan I hope WildCard just doesn't retcon everything 😭

[lyric tendon]

they retconned the canon lesbian couple of Ab in exchange to something generic

[forest epoch]

It's over

[icy zealot]

Whats the lore on this bangin menu music?

[prime grove]

guys whats the lore behind the wyvern and the dragon?

[lyric tendon]

Dragon is just a guardian of the key
Wyvern is created to prevent the human population from settling like "humans are too comfy, send the wyverns"

[prime grove]

oh ok

thanks

[small dove]

was rockwell ever killed in ab

[bronze turtle]

No

[small dove]

so i;m guessing that;s the story of the next story map

[bronze turtle]

Well, he is in genesis 1 and 2 XD so we've always known that he lives

But yes, we will see the survivor and rockwell using the hyperluminal link at arat prime

[granite stump]

The aberration ark constantly revives him to keep him as the overseer but when the ark crash landed on earth it’s likely his overseer revival protocol got destroyed so now Rockwell got free and on the new map we likely will be too late to stop him and he ends up devastating Arat prime which is likely where we are heading in the next dlc map

[lyric tendon]

i am tired of rockwell being the boss again

can we just fight the hivemind instead

[bronze turtle]

Apparently you gonna fight weird humans in ark 2 so

no more rockwell :D

[granite stump]

It’s likely Rockwell won’t be the final boss for the next map, it could likely be a creation of his before he went to the genesis colony ship OR it’s someone else getting infected by the element by Rockwell likely Mei yin

[granite stump]

Those are the natives of the planet

[bronze turtle]

Yea

[bronze turtle]

Mei yin boss fight would be insane

Or both mei yin and diana at once

[granite stump]

Mei yin could likely be a plot twist villain. Likely gone insane all over again after losing Diana when she too went to the genesis ship and she now guards Arat prime from anyone going to it since earth is now safe but gets infected by Rockwell

[small dove]

that could be cool

element beast queen

[granite stump]

The plot line id say goes like this

• Diana and Mei yin arrives to Arat prime and goes into stasis

• the reseed protocol happens

• rockwell goes to Arat prime and triggers Mei yin and Diana’s reawakening

• Diana follows rockwell after a battle that leaves Mei yin injured

• Mei uses a fragment of Rockwell’s element to keep herself alive but ends up mutating and goes insane assuming Diana betrayed her and now because of rockwells influence is forced to guard the console that takes us to Arat prime

[small dove]

do u think if it is mei

she'll still be humanoid?

or more blob like mass like rockwell

[granite stump]

It’s likely her playing as the final boss or an ally to us to help us deal with whatever the final boss is but ends up dying in the end to get us to the ship

[granite stump]

Could be a mix of both, like she’s big and mutated but she’s still rather human looking

Like tek Mek sized almost I’d say

[small dove]

we have 3 options 1 evil mei 2 rockwell 3 a creation of rockwells

rockwell could be we "defeat" him but he gets away last second

[granite stump]

Possibly but I don’t get why he wouldn’t just go for the exit right away instead of fighting us

[small dove]

their tek meks were detroyed in the final battle right

[granite stump]

He’s smart even in his mutated state

[small dove]

i love rockwell

[granite stump]

Not really, it just purged all the bad element

[small dove]

no mei diana and santiago were in meks weren't they

[granite stump]

They were, They used a combined one to injure the alpha king titan

[small dove]

boss fights gonna be a rockwell infected mei in a mek infected by rockwell

[granite stump]

Issue is, I think it got destroyed at the end of the fight actually so Mei and Diana are on foot

[small dove]

arat prime is where the genesis ship was built right

[bronze turtle]

So I'm a lil confused, are Mei Yin and Diana not a thing anymore?

[small dove]

so there could be tek there

plus in the teaser mei has a tek spear

[granite stump]

Possibly not because of the animated series

Likely got retconned or they’re making the animated series and the main series mix together which is just a bad idea

[bronze turtle]

Ah beans, that's what I was afraid of.
Darn I really liked their story cx

[granite stump]

Mei and Diana felt odd to me kinda anyways but that’s just me

But it’s also weird that Santiago and Diana got together before the events of Ark 2

Both of these are really fricken weird to me

Granted Santiago and Diana makes more sense but also this isn’t the Santiago Diana knew

[bronze turtle]

Yeah I saw that so I was really confused.
Hopefully we get a sorta polished story explainin stuffs this time around cx

[granite stump]

I don’t think we will, things seem way too convoluted now for my liking

[lyric tendon]

implying Mei is still young after 100 years from her writing the notes to survivor touching down

she is pretty much a prune stick at the point just like when Raia met Helena

[granite stump]

As said it’s likely her and Diana entered stasis chambers when they got to Arat prime so that’s why she would likely be still youngish

[lyric tendon]

is any from the note stated that they are gonna be in statis chambers after they managed to scare off KT?

[granite stump]

Also we aren’t exactly sure how long it was between the end of the extinction notes and the arrival of our survivor on the island. The Hlna not mentioned there were several cycles and if the cycles meant years then she was on the colony ship for over 20+ years in one of the genesis 2 notes but cycles likely means just day and night cycles so it could of just been a month. It’s likely meaning about a month after the reseed protocol happened is when she was found. This doesn’t mean much but it’s likely more then 100 years but even then there’s still a shot at Mei and Diana being preserved in stasis for all those years until the reseed happened

[lyric tendon]

i dount them being in the statis chambers given Meeka stated Diana is dead (again)

[granite stump]

Nothing besides them saying they’re heading to Arat prime. So there’s 3 possibilities

1: they didn’t make it

2: they did but died while there

Or 3 and the most likely since we see Mei in during the showcase of the lost colony, they were possibly in stasis and survived for that long thanks to it

[granite stump]

Note Diana was at the ship, not Mei. Mei seems to of been still at Arat prime for the lost colony dlc so my assumption, Diana followed rockwell to the ship to stop him but we did it first and she landed on Arat and got with Santiago

[lyric tendon]

personally doubt the "statis chamber" theory thing since you are given notes, as in a previous documentation

unless they made it animated like a previous recording

last time Diana and Mei are together, never yet implying they got seperated

[granite stump]

It’s purely a theory so we got nothing to go off of besides us seeing Mei before the lost colony dlc reveal so it’s likely she is in the dlc and the kid mentioned Diana is her mother meaning her and Santiago got together yet Diana was on extinction. It’s likely Diana went to the ship while Mei stayed behind for some reason

[lyric tendon]

personally a solid retcon tbh

[granite stump]

My assumption, they did stick together but stayed in stasis to help after the reseed protocol happened but when Rockwell transferred to the ship Diana followed but something kept Mei from following after them. Either a critical injury or at Diana’s request which may have us face Mei in some way or by Allies with her for the dlc

Because if Mei IS in the dlc she would be long dead if stasis chambers weren’t a factor in keeping them alive

And then showing Mei before the lost colony logo kinda implies she’s got some major story within this dlc so ima assume she is in and we will likely figure out why Diana didn’t stay

[lyric tendon]

personally doubt that since we, the survivor finished what Mei and Diana were gonna do but failed to do so and thinking Arat Prime is like a plan B for beating KT

Rockwell crashed to Earth 100 years later, literally neither Diana nor Mei know that Rockwell is still alive

[granite stump]

Arat prime definitely wasn’t a plan b

And when was it ever stated to be 100 years exactly?

[lyric tendon]

yes

originally it was 1000 years ago buy they scalled back to 100

[granite stump]

It’s likely far longer then that but even then it’s highly likely Mei plays a major role in the dlc since we directly see her but Diana was established to be on Arat which meant She went to the ship

[bronze turtle]

didnt they upload helena to genesis in arat prime?

[granite stump]

They never mentioned the time. Like at all I’m pretty sure

[granite stump]

No, they just placed her in a tek pod in the forest cave and she got uploaded

And that was only Mei who did that

Diana showed up after Mei went into the wastes to die

[lyric tendon]

i am in high doubt that we are gonna meet them in flesh given we never see them fighting KT ourselves, just from the notes themselves

[granite stump]

If they were at Arat prime… they were across the planet… how would they have been at the KT fight if that was the case?…

[lyric tendon]

arat prime is on earth

[granite stump]

Yes but why would they go back to the region that’s massively messed up instead of stay at Arat prime which seems to still be functional and defended

[lyric tendon]

implying they dont have remaining Tek stuff like Meks and Jets

[bronze turtle]

HLN-A Extinction Discovery 14

and 15

[granite stump]

They would of stuck to Arat prime at Homo deus Helena’s request

[lyric tendon]

who says they have to leave if there is some IBCM type weapon that can reach the other side anyways

we dont even know what Arat Prime is aside from being a dock for the Gen Ship which is freaking huge mind you

[granite stump]

Their goal was to head there for further instruction which we aren’t sure about but my assumption is for them to figure something out for then the reseed protocol happens

[granite stump]

You’re really throwing a lot at the wall here to try and make the theory not make sense when it kinda does. You’re also ignoring a lot of the pre established notes to try and make your thing work lol

[lyric tendon]

that is pretty much with your "statis chamber" theory as well

[granite stump]

It’s an assumption. And it’s highly likely since we got those same chambers in genesis lol

[bronze turtle]

HLN-A defo implies in Ext Discovery 14 aand 15 they made it to Arat Prime together at least, i don't see why they wouldn't enter a stasis chamber after beaming Helena up

[lyric tendon]

again how do they know rockwell is gonna land on earth when they are not in physical world when we triggered the reseed protocol

[granite stump]

I never implied that they would of known?

[lyric tendon]

it's a genesis thing, what i am talking about is taken stage in Ext, not gen

[granite stump]

I’m saying they were gonna help out with the reseed protocol not against rockwells invasion…

[lyric tendon]

they dont know "rockwell's invasion" that is the thing

[granite stump]

There’s also tek sleeping pods as well as a tek pod akin to the one in the forest cave

[bronze turtle]

the reseed protocol would also probably release anyone that is still somewhere in stasis, since all resources are being used for cleansing

[tired surge]

i would pump rockwell men. he looks really nice

[lyric tendon]

that is not a sleeping pod, its a device to create "homodeus"

[granite stump]

I feel like I’m bashing my head against a wall… I never once implied they were being held back to stop rockwell where did you assume I said this? I said they would with the protocol alone

[granite stump]

Exactly

[lyric tendon]

last time i checked in the notes, they are not in any "sleeping pod" nor "statis chamber"... not a mention of it aside from the same cloning chambers back in ab and stated they are disgusted by it

[bronze turtle]

Genesis had plenty, i don't see why the URE wouldn't have them also

[lyric tendon]

that's genesis, not ext

[bronze turtle]

And?

[lyric tendon]

we are discussing about the events of Ext leading to said new DLC

[bronze turtle]

Why wouldnt the URE have stasis chambers? Were they too dumb to build them?

[granite stump]

They simply implied they were heading for Arat prime across the planet and in the dark part of the planet (which explains the ice and snow in the lost colony dlc) and it’s presumed they got there and may have went into stasis to prep for after the reseed protocol (wasn’t said but it’s presumed since we have no further data on them besides now with Mei being seen in a snowy area and Diana being on Arat)

[lyric tendon]

it doesnt have to be the "pure south pole" also again they have meks diana can rebuild them on her own (somehow)

[civic hearth]

So , the next map is going to take place in between extinction and gen 1? Officially?

[bronze turtle]

wouldnt make sense for it to be anything else

[civic hearth]

Yeah

[granite stump]

It’s common sense for it to be like that tho, do you not know how tidal locked worlds works?

[granite stump]

It’s specifically taking place at seemingly Arat prime which explains the icey feel of the map since earth was stuck in a orbit where it couldn’t rotate meaning the darker side of the planet was Freezing and ice was covering everything within the pure dark side of the planet

[bronze turtle]

i know?

[lyric tendon]

not an issue when they have freaking meks and tames to go around

[granite stump]

Whoops wrong person to react to. My bad

[granite stump]

I never said it was an issue…

[civic hearth]

Wait wait, I don't want to miss understand but isn't arat prime a different planet? Not the other side of earth

[granite stump]

I’ll explain better

Arat prime was the station that had the genesis ship launched from that’s on the other side of earth

The planet in ark 2 is simply called Arat in respect for Arat prime

[civic hearth]

OH

[bronze turtle]

good question, some place that does stuff and is important apparently.

[granite stump]

As explained above it’s the station that launched the genesis ship and the place that Mei yin and Diana went to after Helena’s ascension

[civic hearth]

Thanks bud🤗

[granite stump]

It’s a station on earth that launched the colony ship

[bronze turtle]

Yes

[lofty scaffold]

Why would it be called lost colony tho?

Lost colony makes me think of a different planet but would you consider arat prime to be a colony and that it could be considered "lost" because it went dark before earth became a post apocalyptic wasteland?

[granite stump]

It’s likely that Arat prime was actually the last remaining colony which got ‘lost’ due to the ice and snow covering it

[granite stump]

It’s definitely not a different planet. It’s just on earth, why else would we see Mei yin seemingly be part of the dlc?

[lofty scaffold]

Idk anything abt that

[granite stump]

My assumption, it’s referring to the lost colony as in the remnants of Mei and Diana’s colony since they likely ran into more people and had them follow along with ascended Helena’s request to head to Arat prime which was on the dark side of earth which got covered in ice

[lofty scaffold]

All I could guess is it's called the lost colony because it went quiet before the the sanctuary got wiped out

[lofty scaffold]

Idk I prefer it to refer to pre extinction event Arat prime makes the most sense that way tbh

?

[granite stump]

Why did that just…

Weird

[lofty scaffold]

Idk I'm very confused did u use a ban word

[granite stump]

Guess so

[granite stump]

I don’t see it being a pre extinction thing

It’s likely just after since these story arks happen one after the other

And the lost colony is between extinction and genesis so this tale might likely tell us how Rockwell got to genesis and show what happened to Mei and Diana after their last note

And seeing Diana at Arat seemingly sounds like she followed rockwell but Mei was forced to stay behind or died on earth at rockwells hands

[rigid grove]

Sorry, it was begun. Our filters are being a little goofy, but we've temporarily censored the word "gun"...for reasons that shouldn't exist... and that is what deleted it. Sorry.

[granite stump]

Ooohhhh okay that’s fair

[spare mesa]

Did mei die on earth/extinction is there a grave or a tribute like Santiagos sword?

[granite stump]

We aren’t sure if she’s dead or not, seeing the teaser I think she could be alive via a stasis pod

Diana also was alive for a while and transferred to the genesis ship to hook up with Santiago so it’s likely Mei either died AFTER the reseed protocol happened OR she’s still around after that and she’s our ally or enemy

[bronze turtle]

I was thinking and

Meeka possible villain for ark 2? Or a story dlc of it

Wanting to bring her mom back with tek, but santiago not letting her, knowing the dangers of it, trying to avoid earth's situation all over again

She seemed pretty sure of herself at the end of the cutscene that she will find a way to do so, even if her dad doesn't let her

[bold dove]

Gonna be honest, chief.
A child isn't a very interesting villain.

Nor threatning, when we're a 7-foot tall super human that may or may not have a 12-gauge.

[bronze turtle]

Children grow eventually

[bold dove]

Yet, Meeka is a child in both ARK-2 trailers.
I doubt they'll actually be dedicated enough to have a storyline that'll span for actual in-universe years to decades.
The entire ARK-1 storyline is at the most around a year or two.
Meeka is like...what, 13? It'll take a few more years for her to actually be a threat.
Would also be shit parenting on Santiago's part to not actually try to coax her out of that mindset non-forcefully, and teach her about moving on.

[bronze turtle]

Well.. there is at least 8 years between extinction and gen 1 :0 stated by HLNA herself. But ye I guess santiago would do his best to not give her any silly ideas

[bold dove]

In an actual writing perspective. She'll probably act as a theme of a character not moving on when they should. And her entire character arc is going to be about resenting her father, but needing to come to the realization that he does love her and that she has to move on from Diana.

[bold dove]

She's around 13 in ARK-2, which is post Gen-2.

[bronze turtle]

Yes just saying that ark 1 storyline happens throughout almost a decade, was wondering if the same could happen in the next game

[bold dove]

By the way, can you verify where HLN-A stated this?

[stoic beacon]

does anyone know why my ark keeps saying that my connection failed while trying to download the mods

[bronze turtle]

One of her notes, gonna have to read them all again to find which one it was XD

Either a note or a glitch

In gen 1, was a glitch pretty sure

[bold dove]

Can you find it?

[bronze turtle]

I'll try reading them all now, tho I'm on phone so I'll check if they are all posted somewhere online

[bold dove]

The subtitles are on the ark wiki for them

[bronze turtle]

Damn can't send images here, check dm

[valid crater]

G

[patent star]

[lyric tendon]

i am not hype about retcons that is for sure

[meager ferry]

HlNA is already in the genesis simulation before reseed protocol begins .

Best bet for a boss is king titan equivalent on the other side of the planet OR need to mess with defense mechanisms/ simulations in order to activate the luminal, which they do since extinction transitions into genesis.

And btw , the new model for Helena looks disgusting .

They really did her dirty.

They need to go back to the old model . It’s like when they first revealed sonic for the first sonic movie and how everyone was grilling the studio for how grotesque sonic looked .
They owned up to it and changed it.

[marsh scaffold]

wow i really hope Mei Yin and Diana's relationship isnt being retconned, it was one of my absolute favourite things in the original story

[narrow kernel]

Does bobs add new lore to extinction

[granite stump]

A fair bit

[delicate vessel]

Kinda hoping WC has the balls to make Lost Colony completely night and freezing. If the planet is tidal locked it would make sense anyways.

[narrow kernel]

Is colony after extinction or like during the genesis

[meager ferry]

Might be after since the animation makes it about mei yin still and the end of extinction concluded her story as she makes it to arat prime to initiate the reseed protocol and open the luminal link to the genesis ship.

[granite stump]

It seems to be after extinction but before genesis and yeah it’s likely her and Diana activated the luminal link before going into a cryo sleep but upon the reseed protocol and rockwells arrival to arat prime it could of awakened them and Diana followed Rockwell to genesis while Mei stayed behind

Atleast that’s my current theory on how things are going because there needs to be an actual explanation on why and how Diana got to genesis instead of “it’s a simple retcon”

I wouldn’t doubt that Mei is either an ally or enemy to us, or she flat out died trying to stop Rockwell from entering the luminal link and he went to the colony ship to corrupt it

[queen blaze]

s

[meager ferry]

Prolly will get explained in the bobs true tales content since it is following meeka/bob parallel storyline.
Mei prolly stayed on Earth to help survivors resettle after reseed protocol while Diana linked to genesis ship and awoke with Santiago at the end of gen 2, assuming True tales does this.
Gonna assume Diana was pregnant when she respawned hence why Meeka has an implant.

[lyric tendon]

Hopefully Meeka's Diana isnt the same as the OG Diana as the same way as Gen Santiago isnt the same as Ab/Ext Santiago

There is no way Ab/Ext Diana is ever set foot to the Gen Ship without her actually mentioned in the Gen notes, Nida would've noticed her, here and then like she noticed Gabriel's pod is comprised or even HLNA would make a remark of her existence like she spying at other survivors in the simulation

The reason why they want to open the Superluminal Link is because of HD Helena/HLNA

[quartz quiver]

Really quite sad about the Mei Yin and Diana twist they have thrown in. They were my favorite part of the OG lore and I was already annoyed with the direction I saw them taking the animated series and now they are changing lore in the game also which is even more disappointing.

[lyric tendon]

it is kinda weird that Mei is the one who has an instant crush on someone especially on a random stranger like, "ooh you fell on a saber pit, wonna smash?"

i kinda get it if it's Diana because she is the leader of said Tek Tribe, she has to keep the crew's morale up hence Mei soften up to Diana when originally Mei has trust issues

Now suddenly Diana has a crush on Santiago without any form of natural progression of their relationship?

Last time i checked on the notes, they are more of "just war buddies" and none really denote an actual romantic relationship, hell Santiago rarely gets a break when he gets all "i need to get this done" mode in Ext

Maybe in Gen could be Different but who freaking knows

[quartz quiver]

I'm also curious that if this change is made will the notes change too? I haven't kept up with the Ascended notes but are the Abberation ones any different? Because things are even more odd if they just left them as is

[lyric tendon]

They left as it is as far as i am aware,
last time they change it, is when they changed the logo of the Federation to match one in Gen

[quartz quiver]

Yeah definitely makes this new change quite messy if they don't change them. Especially when in the Extinction notes their love was very explicit, though I found it very obvious even from the Aberration notes.

[jade yoke]

A quick question, could someone give me a recap of Diana's story as revealed in the Lost Colony announcement?🤔

Why does this little teaser upset people? 👀

[proper bobcat]

Basically woke nerds are upset Diana ain’t a lezza anymore and she went back to factory default for some D.

[bronze turtle]

Eh, it's just a very weird retcon that jumbles the original story up

What i dont like is ATAS kind of converging with the games story in a weird way

Because i dont see a reason for the retcon other then the helena x mei stuff in the series

[granite stump]

It doesn’t matter about the existing notes at all, they have shown to add to the lore and it’s highly likely they went into cryo sleep until the reseed protocol happened, woke up and Diana followed Rockwell to stop him but ended up going to Arat while Mei yin for some reason stayed behind. Mei wouldn’t of just let Diana go to the Genesis ship alone. And I personally doubt Diana has a secondary clone. The reason Santiago has 2 is because of how impactful he was during history. That’s the only reason why he had 2 versions, the Genesis one having an altered memory of the element wars while the one on aberration that we see kept those memories

[granite stump]

They weren’t even “war buddies”. They just knew each other due to being on different sides and Diana heard of Santiago’s reputation for being a skilled hacker. The only reason they ‘buddied up’ in aberration was to unite their tribes before the surface got cooked

[lyric tendon]

that's the definition of a "war buddy", you dont have to be on the same side, see the "christmas truce" of IRL WW1 history

[bronze turtle]

Unless Santiago de-lesbified Diana for himself (that would be very weird but alsonkind of funny)

Man had admin access

[lyric tendon]

so basically you go out of they way to ignore what is stated in the notes and voice lines just to justify your statis chamber theory

[granite stump]

It likely was just Diana herself realizing she couldn’t go back to Mei so she ended up moving on and the implants no matter what carry over to the offspring since we heard of a human child being born on the scorched earth map and it’s presumed the child also had a implant so I imagine the implant no matter what is part of the human code

[granite stump]

How do I ignore the notes when I’ve done nothing but reference them? Diana’s final note only mentions they’re heading to arat prime… I’m purely speculating on what happened after. They never continued after since they never knew they would continue with that story

[bronze turtle]

De-lesbification is not impossible (which in of itself is very funny)

[granite stump]

Between that and the cryo sleep I see the cryo sleep and naturally moving on thing being more possible then ‘de-lesbification”

[bronze turtle]

But its funny

[lyric tendon]

these are the facts directly from the notes and VO itself

• Gen Santiago is not the same Santiago therefore there is a possibility of a fed copy of Diana that has 0 memory of the events of Ab and Ext
• Gabriel has a double personality and the first anomaly in the Gen ship aside from Rockwell
• HLNA seems to be recall her friends despite the "pseudo amnesia" if Ab/Ext Diana is ever end up in Gen Ship or Sim, she would've noticed her immediately plus again her connected to the Gen Sim will notice Diana easily
• Nida is a modder of the Gen Sim she would've noticed something is not supposed to upload to the sim

[raw meadow]

now diana has a kid with santiago

[granite stump]

Again you fail to realize they can easily add to the lore whenever they want. And Diana wouldn’t have had to enter the Genesis sim. Rockwell AND HLNA both didn’t enter the sim originally, Rockwell went into it after infecting the front ring, also now does Gabriel having 2 different people in 1 body have anything to do with this

[lyric tendon]

Helena entered the Gen Ship first and left a "back door" for Rockwell to slide through

that is from Nida's notes and confirmation from the writer himself BTW

[granite stump]

That still doesn’t fully explain anything lol, Rockwell yes got to the Genesis ship through HLNA but he was physically on it before starting to infect the simulation. That’s my point I’m trying to make

[lyric tendon]

the writer confirmed it so 🤷🏽‍♂️

[granite stump]

CONFIRMED WHAT?! You haven’t explained anything at all!

You did little micro points on ‘how it wouldn’t be possible’ yet it could easily be possible for Diana to arrive AFTER HLNA triggered Rockwell to get in, Nina wouldn’t of been on task properly to of noticed a unknown person getting into the data and would of been dealing with Rockwell at that point.

[lyric tendon]

i pointed out that your theory of having Ext Diana somehow being alive after 100 years "just cause" despite not knowing the danger of Ab falling because of us

given their role for them to go to Arat Prime is for HD Helena to upload herself to the Gen Ship

[granite stump]

Oh for goodness sake, where was it ever said that they were heading to arat prime to transfer her to the ship? Where was it said.

[bronze turtle]

Hlna extinction discovery 14 and 15

[granite stump]

It was specifically said in those notes?

[bronze turtle]

Yeah

[lyric tendon]

ffs dont bother ping me unless you read the notes fully and put 2 and 2 together

[granite stump]

Chief even then you yourself never followed the fricken notes either. You’ve been going on about how this theory ‘isn’t possible’ when even this doesn’t even break it

[lyric tendon]

i followed the notes to a tee my guy

again dont bother ping me

[granite stump]

So what happened after Mei and Diana did the deed then? What happened?

Since you know everything

Did they die? Did they not even bother continuing to live?

[lyric tendon]

literally ended on a cliff hanger, no freaking "statis chambers" mentioned

same reasoning "where our survivor came from", they literally leave that open ended until now

i recall in the Ext ending credit that "Mei and Diana will return soon" but not mentioned anything in Gen

[granite stump]

I’ve legit been saying the cryo sleep theory is pure speculation the entire time… to boot there is also that cliff hanger for them to easily explain how they lived

[lyric tendon]

yet you are fine with OG diana being in the gen sim/ship despite the clear reason is getting Helena there?

god just stop pinning me bro

[granite stump]

Thats what I’ve been going off of in terms of the hole in the story, no way Helena would have just let them sit at arat prime to rot before she left. They likely got into cryo sleep for when the reseed protocol to happen to help the people begin to settle down back on earth but instead they got woken up to Rockwell just being there. Never once have I mentioned Helena leaving them there for Rockwell and again you DONT READ. I said the reason she heads there isn’t because of Helena it’s because of Rockwell lol

You keep misunderstanding what I say over and over, I feel like you’re doing this on purpose to get a rise

[lyric tendon]

not really, bad theories grinds my gears

and pinning despite me asking not to, you are just asking for an argument from me if you did

[granite stump]

This… isn’t that bad of a theory tho and the reason I keep pinging you is because of how whacko you’ve been since your points all meant NOTHING to break the theory. The only thing that I thought didn’t get this theory to work was notes 14 and 15 but no, even then the theory would still work

[lyric tendon]

welcome to lore nerds buddy

[bronze turtle]

My theory is that meeka is rockwell

It's stated in meeka's explorer note 69

And the writer for ark 3 confirmed it

[tender breach]

Well after seeing the end cutscene for Extinction, I am confused

Rockwell as a boss..? Again..?

If it is really Arat Prime, he is the only one that could be a boss. It’s how he gets onto the Genesis ship in the first place

[granite stump]

For goodness sake…

[granite stump]

To try this again…

We aren’t sure, Rockwell likely went straight for Arat prime to take it over by infecting everything before making the transfer so we couldn’t follow him in time

So if anything, if the cryo sleep theory is true then we may likely be facing or atleast meeting Mei yin either in person or she’s been infected. If not her then atleast rockwells first creation since we see him start creating his own creatures in the front ring of the genesis ship

[tender breach]

I was thinking that the final mission would simply be attempting to hold off Rockwell for X amount of time, and then the final cutscene would be him successfully uploading himself to the genesis simulation and the genesis ship respectively, and beginning to infect the first ring.

[granite stump]

I think we just might be too late and we gotta go follow him but something tries to stop us instead

[tender breach]

It just depends on what time the dlc takes place honestly. And tbh I’d rather the boss be Rockwell again than some random irrelevant creature

[narrow kernel]

Is lost colony a non story map or a story map

[bronze turtle]

story map

in between extinction and gen 1

[narrow kernel]

Oh that’s gotta be good then

Those are like two of my most favorite maps

[gloomy sluice]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[obsidian jasper]

@cunning wolf Helena ascended to homodeus she's no longer human. and so she can't really go back to having a human body since she's a higher being that has higher functioning then a human body would be able to handle think supercomputer trying to fit into a Nokia flipphone

[cunning wolf]

Thank you for explaining lol

[lapis fox]

No servers

[obsidian jasper]

yeah np Ive watched many many hours of lore videos and read alot of the lore stuff lol

[ocean dirge]

Is genesis 2 a simulation or a non-simulation?

It's surely a simulation because we never get an explanation to what happened to earth after extinction

[fallow sapphire]

Gen 2 is not a simulation, though it is the ship in which we wake from Gen 1 (which is a simulation) in

[pliant wren]

God the genesis trailer was so long ago

[pliant wren]

i dont think we have anything to hint at the adoption angle, but yes, a rather odd thing to change, is it to make the focus more on helena x Mei?

[bold dove]

Probably.
Trade one love story for a worse one.
Also, yeah. There's nothing to hint at Diana and Meeka being non-biologically connected.
Though, if Santiago is her confirmed adopted father. (if I recall, one of the earliest BTT intro's has Meeka say "he isn't even my real dad") then that means that either two things.
A: Diana and Santiago became a thing during Aberration, making him her stepfather.
B: Diana and Santiago broke a warcrime and engaged in a relationship during the Tek War somehow, and Meeka is Diana's daughter post-collapse.

Also, I guess Diana died after the Extinction notes?
Because why would they need to revive her otherwise when she got resurrected by Helena?

I don't know, seems like they're changing so much of the established lore that I don't even recognize what in the fuck is going on.

[main steppe]

My guess for Meeka is that Diana and Santiago hooked up during aberration, conceiving Meeka, and she was pregnant throughout the events of extinction, and was still pregnant upon her revival, both in extinction and probably sometime during Ark 2

The relationships would all mostly stay the same, just with some added spice between Diana and Santiago

[pliant wren]

Gave a quick scan over a few vids on it, cant seem to find her saying that! ill double check

Yeah, unless im missing it, cant find her saying he wasnt her real dad @bold dove

but i did find in the aberattion notes something alongside the mei and diana stuff

[bold dove]

I'm probably wrong then.
That means they boned at some point. And since Santiago dies in Extinction, and Diana dies on Aberration. Must be either a Tek-War era thing, or they boned between Genesis-2 and ARK-2.

[pliant wren]

"Those two seemed real close until this pilot from the future showed up. DIana and suddenly helena was the odd one out"

"then again after we all got to know each other better, there was something between diana and santiago too..."

[bold dove]

Ah, so it's what I was afraid of.
An unnecessary relationship drama of Mei-Yin/Diana not actually knowing who they want to be with.

[lofty scaffold]

Well Mei yin might end up dying

[bold dove]

Well, yeah. But "when"

[lofty scaffold]

I mean that teaser for the lost colony might mean she dies during the events of the dlc?

Only thing I can really think of

[bold dove]

Sure, but I must ask. What does her death have to do with Santiago and Diana already possibly being interested in each other by the end of Aberration?

[lofty scaffold]

Dunno tbh I was just thinking of an explanation of why Diana had a kid with Santiago and my only logic would dictate its because the only other person she had feelings for "died" something of that nature ig

[bold dove]

So, this then leads me to two questions.
1: When did they possibly bone for this to happen? If they did bone as clones, the only timeline that'd make sense is either between Gen2 and ARK-2, or Diana cheated on Mei and boned Santiago during the events of Aberration.
2: If this is correct and they did bone, this would be TWICE now in the current lore that characters on a previous relationship that their partner died or ended on a sour note moved on WAY too quickly.
Can we not have at least one character that's so traumatized from their previous relationship that they can no longer get into one?
Not everyone can/will move on in real life. And having some characters that just can't move on makes a story feel more real, and allows for a more grizzled character arc.

[lofty scaffold]

All imma ask is there's no way Diana was pregnant for over a decade

[bold dove]

Longest pregnancy ever.

Nah, if this is the timeline. She probably birthed Meeka, and it was her time on Earth as a child that Diana raised her. Until they got to the Genesis-ship

[lofty scaffold]

I'd actually have to assume it's been longer cus do we even know how long it's even been since the end of gen 2 and the beginning of ark 2

This whole story starts making less and less sense the moment you think about it for way to long

[bold dove]

Yeah, you see. It always had that issue.
But at least pre Genesis, it was like fun little facts that made no sense. Nothing that harmed the story.
Now it's just fucking degrading

[lofty scaffold]

Wildcard please higher me I'll fix the timeline for you

[bold dove]

Do you know how to write a story?

[lofty scaffold]

They already wrote it just needs a retcon or 2 and a clearer picture of the timeline really yk exactly when what events took place and where yk

[bold dove]

If I had a few more years of experience, and they had a job opening. I'd would fucking apply to be a writer in a heartbeat

[lofty scaffold]

I like clear pictures of timelines it would make the story more enjoyable and understandable because nobody even knows wtf is going on

[bold dove]

To be fair.
I don't think a timeline would unfuck the fuckery they've done so far.
There's been so much unnecessary changes to the story, that it'd genuinely would require ASA to become DE canonized.
And I'm calling it now.
It's only going to get worse from here.

[merry scarab]

guys guys guys guys Helena x Meiyin is so. Yes. <3

I love their ship sm bro 😭
Ark is like one of the first game franchises besides subnautica that willingly had lgbtq intentionally in the lore, fr

[bold dove]

No

[merry scarab]

why?

/genq

[bold dove]

Because its existence ruins the previous LGBT relationship with Mei-Yin x Diana.
And now, that's been ruined even further with hints that Santiago x Diana is a thing.
They ruined one LGBT subplot for another, to then yet ruin it again for a straight one.

[merry scarab]

They have good chemistry, and they actually care about each other, plus, they are kind of already a ship anyways,

And I mean, technically maybe they didn't "ruin" it, as polyamorous/polyamory relationships are a thing

Though, if you hate polyamory/poly stuff I guess that is another thing entirely.

Either way, it still could have gone multiple ways, I don't only ship her and Helena btw, I ship her with Diana as well, but since the lore implies it both ways I am open to the idea of them being poly,

[bold dove]

Yes, they have good chemistry. But that doesn't justify ruining a previous relationship that also had good chemistry, and actually worked for the plot. Due to Diana dying in Mei-Yin's arms, and for that death to act as Mei's rage during the Extinction notes.
And yes, they did "ruin" it.
Polyamorous relationships do exist. But there was no implications previously to suggest this. And in a narrative/writing standpoint, If their relationship was fine, emotional, and people liked it. Why change it?

Should also be noted that Meeka seems to be Diana's biological daughter.
The timeline of when Diana boned Santiago is the real determining factor of if this subplot will extremely flop or not.
If it's set during the Tek-War, then great. They just broke one of the few warcrimes nations actually care to monitor, because relationships from opposing sides can lead to both sides realizing that their nations cause might just be idiotic.
If it's set during Aberration, this would mean that she got knocked up either during her and Mei's relationship, basically being cheating. Or right after they broke up, making her comically move on fast.
Or lastly, it happened between the events of Gen2 and ARK-2. Which would mean again, that Mei and Diana dumped each other at some point for Diana to move onto Santiago, leaving Mei and Helena's relationship in the dirt because in Mei's perspective, Helena's fucking dead. And basically leaving Mei Yin alone with no one.

[merry scarab]

both relationships were implied to exist, I've read through the explorer notes many, many, times, so actually, yes poly was kind of hinted at before, not once, but multiple times, both ships existing. I still stand by they didn't ruin the lesbian ships by them having them both be hinted at during the same time, and Diana surviving and loving meiyin again was quite the lovely plot twist imo, and they hint at in the notes that meiyin likes both, and in the notes that diana likes meiyin, and in the custscenes that helena likes meiyin. So yeah, there is hints at this being the possibility all over the place in general.

And I have to agree on the santiago part, the only part I won't agree with is the lesbian ships being "an issue" because really, they aren't. The relationship subplot with santiago however I see as iffy related to character ships and stuff for the reasons you listed on why it's well, eh.

[bold dove]

The cutscenes where added post-Animated Series, which contained the first confirmation that Helena x Mei Yin where a thing.
So, in the 'original' lore, the actual notes themselves in ASE, can you list off any note that hints/implies that Helena and Mei had a thing.
Because I helped write the Survival Stories, and remember nothing of the sorts. It was purely a platonic relationship from what I remember.
And I should clarify, I have no issues with lesbian relationships. I fucking loved Diana x Mei-Yin.
What I hate is unnecessary changes to pre-established stories that never needed to be changed. And how that pisses off the original lore community of an IP, while newer folks are confused on why the older community dislikes it.
There was no reason to change their relationship in anyway. And now that they have, they've split the lore side of the community up to "people who hate it" "people who love it" "people who are indifferent" that now all argue with each other.

From what I remember from the top of my head.
-Helena meets Mei-Yin for her own research purposes, and Mei-Yin dislikes her at first.
-Mei-Yin allows Helena to research into her animals shit piles, but still on edge.
-Helena gets her data and fucks off for a bit.
-Helena comes back a few notes later with chili to ask Mei for help to kill the Megapithocus.
-They kill it, and instantly get ambushed by the New Legion and seperated.
-In Mei's rampage (DOOM Slayer mode) on the New Legion for killing Wuizai (however you spell her raptors name) she indirectly finds Helena and decides to let her go, since she's on the pathway anyway. (she didn't go out of her way to find Helena)
-The moment Helena suggests to talk to Nerva first before killing him, Mei proceeds to knock the fuck out of Helena for the suggestion, before killing Nerva and ascending onto Aberration.

They do not meet again until Aberration, in which Mei-Yin and Diana are already in a deep relationship, as the end of Diana's note, she gives Mei her necklace, which was given by her mother.

I really wonder what Marc Soskin's opinion is on these changes.

[lyric tendon]

No, their "chemistry" in TAS is nonexistent and freaking speedrun it compared to the original notes

She was like "so, you fell on a saber pit, wonna smash?"

Mei in the Original Notes was NEVER an "instant tough girl" day 1 when she landed on the beach

Mei is riddled with trust issues throughout the events of her island notes to the point where she literally suckerpunched Helena to unconsciousness in the freaking boss arena

The only time Mei REALLY lightens up to people when she met Diana in Ab because Diana is the one who keeps the morale of the tribe up thus not made Mei feel like a stranger, giving Mei's hope of "going back home"

[bold dove]

Okay, to be fair. I will go against the "NEVER an instant tough girl"
If I recall, my girl killed three random bandits on her first day with a spear.

[lyric tendon]

She is in her mindset of "the world is bad" at that time, not whatever TAS is going on with oozing overconfidence

Like come on, she proclamed herself "The Beast Queen" without much of a tame or taming

[merry scarab]

I'm not fighting over a ship atp

It's just going to bring uneeded argueing, as I said i ship both,

so let's drop it bc nonetheless I agree with the ship that you ship anyways so what's the point in fighting over it?

Like at the end of the day It's just a ship and we both agree with mei x diana, so let's drop it.

[lyric tendon]

It's not about the ship

It's about retconning what makes the original story good

How do you think book and comic nerds feel negative towards movie and show adaptations that made the original stories irrelevant?

[merry scarab]

You don't have to agree with Helena x Mei, you don't have to ship it, but I do, and that is my opinion, I can ship and like both ships if I wish to, that is my opinion, I have the right to my opinion at the end of the day, whether you agree with it or not is your opinion, but atp I see it as kinda pointless to fight over opinions when we agree on the same ship anyways.

[merry scarab]

tbf I haven't watched the animated series

[lyric tendon]

Again this is not about the ship

[merry scarab]

That message wasn't directed at you /lh

[merry scarab]

I'm going off of base ark, and I ship both ships, end of story.

[lyric tendon]

If Mei and Helena's relationship is as organic as Mei and Diana's i wouldve give a pass, but they downgrade Mei so hard

[merry scarab]

And yes this originally started over ships.

At the end of the day, this started over difference in opinions.

[lyric tendon]

And?

That is the reason this chat exist

[merry scarab]

Idc if you want to facepalm, that is literally how this started??? I'm not going to be fighting over ships. It is pointless.

[lyric tendon]

You are just implying about ships lmao, we are literally discussing about possible reconnecting of the original lore in favor of TAS ones

[merry scarab]

This all started bc of ships, if you want to laugh at me for wanting to not fight over opinions go ahead,

I do not disagree with you, and I pointed out how I haven't watched the series, though to be fair, I don't have paramount or anything else it is on. So I can't.

[lyric tendon]

Since you didn't watched TAS i suggest you watch it then and comeback here

[merry scarab]

Easier said than done. /lh /nm

[lyric tendon]

This is a place about discussing lore, discourse is expected

[merry scarab]

And I asked to not fight multiple times, as I do not want to fight.

I was originally talking abt base ark lore anyways,

So I will not be engaging further on this.

This is going nowhere,

[lyric tendon]

Makes you wonder why there is a seperate chat for TAS

If you wont want to debate about lore here, it is made for a reason

Again if said media didn't respect the original lore, expect a divide between the note lore and the anime lore

Unless WC decided to officially retcon the note lore and made TAS canon like Riot retconned League of Legends' Runeterra Lore for Arcane Lore

[upper swan]

||Will the upcoming DLC release BEFORE or AFTER Gen 1+2?||

anyone knows?

[pliant wren]

a great question! definitely worth noting that things are slowing being changed as time goes on!

[kindred burrow]

before i say

[pliant wren]

Exactly! Mei-Yin and diana were the much stronger pairing!

Honestly towards the end of the og, around extinction, I kinda began to ship homodeus Helena and the chosen survivor, saviours of the world and all. And had a theory that i dont think has been canned yet, that there were two survivors by the end of genesis (One on earth, and the duplicate , like how theres two santiagos, who does the genesis side of things, two helena's two survivors) was neat to me

[narrow kernel]

I’m a rookie ark nerd, so does anyone know what the giant skull and ribcage on extinction belong to?

[glad crow]

I'd assume it's a dead titan.

[narrow kernel]

I thought in the lore the in game ones were the biggest

[merry scarab]

wonder what would happen if that still existed then,

[narrow kernel]

If it did that would make for a badass boss

[kindred burrow]

Maybe it was one also but starved due to foodloss and co or maybe it wasnt fully elemental control and was killed by the hivemind it created

[narrow kernel]

Those two wouldnt make since because he has a huge hole in his skull

[kindred burrow]

maybe he took a shoot from mega mek flak cannon

[lyric tendon]

"rule of cool"

same reason why there is a giant skull in ab

[maiden egret]

Isn't the ARK 2 Santiago a clone on the Genesis Ship? If so then maybe there was also a Diana clone

[granite stump]

I honestly forgot that nugget of info was given during aberration.

[granite stump]

Santiago I feel was a special case. He was the most well known hacker during the tek war and after his death it triggered the war to stop so I’d say having just 2 version of him is perfectly fine but Diana was just a pilot. I don’t see why they would make a secondary clone of the pilot. Meanwhile the mostly likely option was Diana going through the luminal link to reach genesis like how we likely are gonna do by the end of the lost colony

[topaz bolt]

Feels weird to me now that the King Titan wanders the wastes during the Survivors journey. He is said to never show is face again in the wastes after what was done to him by the MegaMeks blade, but here he is like it never happened. Ignorance is bliss.

[bold dove]

Someone else stated this on Twitter, and my headcanon is that he finally regrew his balls after Eons. Only for The Survivor to arrive and fuck him over with 200+ Carchar's

[granite stump]

Well that was an assumption more than anything. After the scar the lesser mega mek gave it, it’s just ran off but now with the king titan actually being an over world boss, it adds a new layer of pure fear to exploring the wastes since he can just randomly spawn when you’re doing a OSD or element vein near that area of the map

[bold dove]

Not really random, it's tied to your IRL clock.

[granite stump]

True but I more mean if you aren’t paying attention to time it will just spawn nearby and freak the player out possibly

[topaz bolt]

I don't quite get it myself. Why would Homo deus Helena being fed with near perfect information tell us that he is hiding and would only show up when called with the voices of his lieutenants while we are actively seeing him pop up in random locations across the wastelands.

But it does show that the King Titan is no longer putting himself at risk that much as he actually uses his ability to make a quick exit before suffering too much damage.

[granite stump]

Well even as a homo deus things often can’t be foreseen and this could be one of those things, the king titan actually coming and picking a fight like in the past

[bold dove]

That's called "Wildcard not giving a fuck about the original storyline anymore"
Jeremy, Jesse, or who the fuck ever, has decided that ASA should change some aspects of the original story that no one had any issues with.

[topaz bolt]

I see majority of people already believe this new encounter to be more lore accurate anyway as not that many people read explorer notes.

[limber solstice]

every since the update Admin pannel has been messed up

[granite stump]

Granted the king titan would be more discouraged to chase Mei and Diana specifically. It is connected to a hive mind network so it would know specifically who they are by seeing them through the corrupted possibly. But that’s my own headcanon

The king titan wouldn’t likely stop chasing others who are less advanced, he just avoids Mei and Diana like the plague now

[bold dove]

I wonder if the moment he sees The Survivor in the Mega Mek again, if the entire hivemind just had a PTSD induced heart sunk feel.

[topaz bolt]

I would think that's what the armor is for. The Element prepared the King Titan to handle the MegaMek, but little did they know. They prepared the King to tank a weakened version of the blade and that's why the armor didn't matter in our confrontation.

[sharp bone]

dinosaur game

[lofty scaffold]

Hopefully before

[narrow kernel]

Awh man I wish they weren’t just decoration I beat they would’ve been sick if they had lore

[sharp bone]

Dinosaur game

[lament raft]

well, Mei Yin killed other titans in her notes

[meager ferry]

Yup.
Original one died in the war.
2nd one died on genesis ship.
3rd one died in extinction.
4th one is the one we see at the end of gen 2.

Not sure where the original Diana died.
2nd Diana died on aberration.
3rd Diana is dead as mentioned by her daughter Meeka.

[narrow kernel]

Yeah but like what is some samurai gonna do against a Titan like 10x king titans size

[meager ferry]

Use the bigger samurai she rides in.

[bold dove]

Assumed she died in the war as well, as she was a pilot for a jet on the U.R.E's side.

[narrow kernel]

Sure mega mek is big however the Titan could’ve just stomped on it and it would’ve been done for

[bold dove]

The Mega Mek is the same size as the King Titan. What're you on about?

[narrow kernel]

Yeah but I’m talking about the huge one near the snow biomie, the skeleton

[bold dove]

The skeleton's are just things the landscape artists decided to place, because it looked cool.
It's the same with the ribcages on Scorched, and the comically large Giga/WhatTheFuckEverItWasSupposeToBe skeleton on Aberration.

The King Titan is canonically the largest titan on Earth.
Which, the Mega Mek was constructed to fight the King Titan himself on equal levels.

[narrow kernel]

I know about king Titan and mega Mek do I was just talking about if the skeleton was an actual Titan

[bold dove]

We don't know, because they never mention skeletal remains in the Extinction notes.
They're more then likely just something they added in because "it looked cool"

[granite stump]

To retry this due to the one word mess up…

The 4th Santiago is the same one as the 2nd one which died due to Yunkis attempt to destroy the memory banks of humanity on the genesis ship

Then there’s Diana’s original body which seemingly died during the war likely around when Santiago died since they were within the same year of the war due to her knowing Santiago by name and reputation of a hacker back on aberration

Wouldn’t honestly doubt that Diana was the one that ended Santiago via Kamakazi dive into a facility

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, that subplot of Yunkis going insane due to the thought of being clones.

[granite stump]

And we still have yet to figure out what yunki whispered to Santiago and may never know

He said something to him and that’s why that one person kept making Santiago relive that moment via the simulation to figure out what the heck he said but never was able to figure it out

Oh god wait, dumb theory. What if yunki actually shows up in Ark 2. Since Santiago is one that was revived for the Arat landing then I wouldn’t doubt Yunki is another and he would likely be a thorn in the side of Santiago and Meeka

[bold dove]

With their current writing. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.

[granite stump]

With how long it’s been seemingly between the Arat landing and ark 2, I honestly feel it’s been a solid 8-10 years since that happened which makes sense as to why meeka isn’t super young. The real confusing thing is is why she has the implant when the arks aren’t a factor but I guess no matter what implants are attached to humans even if they’re infants

[bold dove]

Well, we have implants on the Genesis-ship during Gen1-2.
The U.R.E and the Federation started to share each others technologies, because the spread of the Corruption caused the Element war to stop.

[granite stump]

True but keep in mind, meeka was likely born about a year or 2 into humanity settling on Arat and there’s no actual tek left at all to cause meeka to have the forced implant unless that’s just part of these clones code

But then that also adds onto it, Meeka definitely isn’t a clone. She’s a true being just like the kid born on scorched (the dad of which got poisoned by Rockwell)

She may have been born from cloned parents but that doesn’t fully make her a clone at all

[bold dove]

Depends on how this subspecies of humans/the clones work biologically.
Firstly, we don't really have any confirmation if any of them are biologically related to each other.
Meeka states Diana is her mother, but we don't know if that's biological or adopted.
If she's adopted, then they could've found Meeka post Gen2 and saved her. (that's what I kind of think with Meeka having that one memory of Santiago saving her from a pack of raptors.)
Or, she is their biological daughter, which means the implants are genetically tied to the survivors themselves. As we saw a skeleton in the second ARK-2 trailer that confirms that the implants are flat out 'PART' of the skeletal structure. So now it's up in the air if survivors are born or manufactured with them.

I think it may be the former, as it'd be a huge fucking oversight to have only one generation of survivors being able to be monitored by the ARK's Overseer, before the entire human population slowly becomes harder to track due to future generations not having implants.

[granite stump]

Yeah but the main thing that made me think meeka is born is due to the one child Rockwell helped deliver back on scorched likely having an implant too. Wouldn’t doubt it honestly so ima guess it’s a genetic thing

Either that or just tied to these clones on a direct code level

[bold dove]

Like, depending on how they handle it. It wouldn't be the most outlandish thing in the IP so far.
If the implants are made out of some organic version of Tek, then it could be possible for them to grow them, akin to how a snail uses crystals to grow their shells.

I forgot the process, but it's a IRL biological thing that some animals can convert inorganic compounds in their bodies like iron, into an organic compound.

[granite stump]

I mean we also got Shrews that are biologically cursed since they got basically metal teeth due to the high amount of iron in their teeth

So honestly I wouldn’t doubt that the people that made the arks and what not accessed the human code and proceeded to cause that to happen

[bold dove]

Yeah, so if they make the implants some biomechanical shit. It could work.

Oh god, that would take a fuck ton of energy though for pregnant women.

[granite stump]

That could be a possible reason why Diana died if she actually is Meeka kid. Her body couldn’t handle it, the woman on scorched meanwhile had actual care during birth so she made it but without ANY medical equipment of any kind and well… Diana ain’t making it

[bold dove]

Wait, but wouldn't Meeka be a stillborn if Diana died from not getting enough energy intake?

[granite stump]

I was more thinking meeka upon birth caused Diana to die due to using the last bit of energy

Like that was what I was more implying

That and resources are super hard to come by on Arat now unlike the tribe back on scorched. They were a big tribe that had a really healthy system but the people of Arat look like they’re barely scraping by due to the locals of Arat and the evolved dinosaurs

[undone pilot]

How do dinos even exist in ark

[bold dove]

Oh, when I mean energy. I mean food.
Humans already have huge cravings when we get pregnant, due to the brain alone being a powerhouse of development.
The implant, with all of its properties like tracking and universal translators, would basically be like a second brain that never develops.

[bold dove]

Magical space rock

[granite stump]

The people who made the arks were looking for the best suited creatures to help humanity and they found dinosaurs to be the best suited thing and proceeded to clone them, in fact the dinosaur tests worked so fricken well that they put them in the Genesis simulation and the actual ship to boot

[undone pilot]

Oh so there made out of element

Or simulation

[bold dove]

To be fair, they're not even real dinosaurs.

[granite stump]

Kinda, all of life in the ark universe has a thing akin to a memory bank that seemingly has no expiration and they likely used that as a way to clone dinosaurs like how they clone humans throughout all eras of history

[bold dove]

Their scientific genus for some of the major ones like raptors/rexes are fictional subspecies.

[granite stump]

Yeah, they likely pull from existing creatures to plug in the holes since they’re a lot older and data might actually be missing for those ones actually

[undone pilot]

Deus dino

[bold dove]

Was it ever confirmed if they're directly clones, or was that still left unknown?

[undone pilot]

Is Rockwell Alive

[bold dove]

God, I hope not.

[undone pilot]

He probably uploaded himself

In the life

[bold dove]

Where?

[undone pilot]

On to life it’s Self 😭

[granite stump]

That’s speculation on my part but seeing as how humans likely aren’t the only things with this data memory thing I could see them doing it to the Dino’s but due to how long it really is they gotta plug in the data with existing animals to help streamline things better since Trex and the raptors aren’t exactly the same as the real ones

[undone pilot]

Do we know if ark 2 will have obelisks

[bold dove]

He uploaded himself to the emptiness that is the void of non-existence.

[granite stump]

Rockwells fully gone at the end of genesis 2

[undone pilot]

Because the planet was a planet

[bold dove]

No, because it's on an alien planet. Not an ARK

[undone pilot]

Ohk

I’m so excited to get ark ascended or not

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, the engramic matrix.
Biggest fucking bullshit they pulled out of their asses.