lore-nerdz

[gusty turret]

Also none of the surface obs actually have terminals do they? Don't they just have superchargers?

[dim palm]

cough cough its guardians cough cough

[dim palm]

they do have terminals

they are just like the other obelisks

[gusty turret]

Oh i thought they had superchargers

[dim palm]

there are superchargers up there, yes, but under the obelisks are normal obelisk terminals

[gusty turret]

Ah okay

[dim palm]

and isnt the beam on light off on the green obelisk?

[gusty turret]

I still think the tek tribe would've mentioned if there was anything else

[dim palm]

🤷‍♂️

[gusty turret]

Im not sure which one is off i haven't played since before rhynio was added

[dim palm]

i think red and blue still had their beams of light but green was off

ill check later

[gusty turret]

I assume that would mean green is the one they completely disabled then

[dim palm]

it still works as a terminal i believe

i wonder why its beam is gone

[gusty turret]

Probably because they broke it

[dim palm]

alright so i did some looking

the insides of the obelisks, the fleshy bits, are all purple, unlike normal obelisks.

the beams retain their color though, except for green which is gone

the light at the top of the obelisks are always white

interestingly, the terminal under the red and green obelisk have blue lights, while the terminal under the blue obelisk has purple lights

also, the obelisks are different in asa

i just checked. so the light at the top of the obelisks in asa actually have color unlike the pure white in ase

and the fleshy bits inside of the obelisks in asa are purple, instead of the color of the obelisk

another thing i noticed is the tek bits around the spot where the terminal is has color as well, and reflects the obelisk's color, instead of just being white like in ase

So yeah uh turns out the obelisks in aberration don’t actually seem to be purple

[bronze turtle]

They say shape shifting and in our own overseer fight it shape shifts into island guardians and on scorched it was planed to change into manticore
Base on this im 99% sure island had guardians to “shape shift” into

[dim palm]

honestly it would be weird if aberration DIDNT have guardians

[gusty turret]

Everytime someone calls something about the map named ABERRATION weird it hurts my soul a little bit

[lyric tendon]

it makes sense lore wise given rockwell is the new overseer of the ARK

plus bob/we exist after the nuke of the overseer arena in Ab, it would makes sense for us to not knowing that Ab used to have guardians

plus none of the Ab notes mentioned them anyways, that includes final notes from Corrupted Rockwell

[dim palm]

i mean it would be weird if it didnt have them in the past

it makes sense why theres none now

[gusty turret]

We simply have no reason to think thats weird

And even if it was, the map is literally called Aberration

Its in the name

[bronze turtle]

How every ark we know has guardians why wouldn’t abb… I like I said they mentioned it was changing forms if guardians were not present what would the overseer be changing into
A dodo ??? Lmao

But what makes less sense is why does a guardian fight cause you to ascend in scorched ? Both island and ab have a “overseer”

[dim palm]

prob cuz scorched was rushed

i like to think its just there and not really canon

[bronze turtle]

Well obviously

[dim palm]

canonically you probably beat the overseer and ascend then

[bronze turtle]

Such a shame man I hope it gets mores guardians and if they don’t want a overseer just give a tek cave

[dim palm]

haha thats what ive always said lol

i want 2 more guardians, a tek cave, and an overseer fight

aberration is fine how it is

[gusty turret]

Aberration has like the most dangerous fauna of any map

We know one ark that has 3 guardians and one that has 1 we quite literally have no frame of reference 😭

[gusty turret]

Canonically you fight the manticore and ascend just like Rockwell and Helena did

Rushed or not, that is the canon that is built

It doesn't matter the reasoning, that is just the lore

Rockwell got the trophy with the group he killed and they were able to use that to ascend with no other fight

[bronze turtle]

Explain the tek tribe note where it states the overseer what changing forms
What is it changing into ?

[stiff loom]

Where exactly are the guardians arenas, since you teleport to them? Above the island along with the overseer? Also, what happened to the guardians of pre nuke aberration? Did they blow up too?

[bronze turtle]

I would guess they are in the prongs of the ARKs which is probably why they are gone now

[gusty turret]

Based on the islands it seems like the arenas are connected with the overseer but i may just be misinterpreting that

[gusty turret]

Reaper? Drake? Basilisk? Karkinos? Spino? Literally any of the deadly fauna of aberration

[dim palm]

or, y'know, the previous guardians, since the island did

[lyric tendon]

Just because the island has it doesnt mean all ARKs must have 3 guardians

SE has 1

Also it doesnt makes sense to have the guardians in Ab gameplay wise when the lore didnt mentioned any and the only comfirmation is that "the Tek tribe skipped them and fight the overseer instead"

They dont even mentioned Ab's overseer shapeshifting into guardians, it just "shapeshifts" possibly from summoning form and shield form

And remember the Explorer Notes are journals, it's the closest we got to their POV in what Ab used to be

And it seems none of the Tek tribe ever seen a guardian whatsoever before blowing up the arena

[lyric tendon]

Summoning form and shield form, something that is too abstract for them to identify

Diana never mentioned any guardians or changing into a creature

[bronze turtle]

Define shape shifting
It’s not turning a shield on… I don’t understand this idea that because the characters never go against a guardian means there is none. And from a game play aspect yeah it makes sense why there is one boss… the ARKs would be completely useless if they don’t have the main aspect of there tests… it don’t make sense to have survivors jump straight to overseer

[scenic igloo]

So basically

[bronze turtle]

It only makes sense that ab at a point had guardians

[dim palm]

agreed

[bronze turtle]

It’s absurd… the thought process of they are not written by a character so they don’t exist…
And scorched the reason it has 1 is because the map is a rushed piece of garbage and with new caves that probably means more artifacts meaning more bosses and overseer or at least a tek cave

And when I say guardians I’m not saying it had island ones just unique ones to the original ab

[gusty turret]

You quite literally don't know if it because it was rushed or if thats how it was meant to be, you also don't know if they're adding more artifacts or bosses or overseer

They would have to rewrite half the notes if they added more guardians and an overseer

Common sensically, they're not going to, scorched is written as intended and that is lore

[bronze turtle]

Files of the game say other wise and they had admitted in the past tek cave would be in wyvern trench…
It is a known fact that scorched was rushed the devs have said themselves

[gusty turret]

Aberration as a whole is a unique test, its a bunch of tek war vets all thrown together in a paradise to see what happens

[gusty turret]

Its a known fact it was rushed but that doesn't mean the map isn't written as intended

[dim palm]

yes aberration was an experiment but why wouldnt they have guardians?

[bronze turtle]

The people who designed the ark never knew that though… it was the overseers choice why would the overseer ever let the tek tribe hijack into the arena

[dim palm]

i completely agree with @bronze turtle tho

[gusty turret]

Why would it? Because one singular ark out of thousands has an example?

[dim palm]

im pretty sure aberration was a test

a special ark

[bronze turtle]

Yes but the overseer is the one who decides everything

[dim palm]

whats more likely, that scorched has 1 boss because it was rushed? or that it has a lore reason thats never explained

the island is what an ark should be like

its a perfect ark

[gusty turret]

Says who????

[bronze turtle]

Or that they had to make a reason up in order to have it loosely fit

[gusty turret]

It doesn't loosely fit its a snug fit, its just the way it is

There doesn't have to be exact lore to everything

[bronze turtle]

That just ain’t right you can skip it and miss basically nothing

What the obs can destroy things wow

[gusty turret]

If Helena didn't learn that the tek tribe would've been wiped out

[bronze turtle]

Still besides that what does scorched bring

It’s clearly the worse of the story maps in its current state

[dim palm]

i hope they integrate scorched more into the story and give it a bigger role in asa

[gusty turret]

Because its a desert and deserts usually just suck

[dim palm]

thats not an excuse

[gusty turret]

Im willing to bet they aren't rewriting story

[bronze turtle]

Like I said I always found it being not that important

[gusty turret]

Its not an excuse its literally just fact

[bronze turtle]

Either ways doesn’t excuse lazy writing

[gusty turret]

Deserts suck and people that live in them hate it

[dim palm]

they coould add things like sulfur fields, thermal vents, stuff like that

[gusty turret]

Ark is far from lazy writing

[bronze turtle]

I agree but scorched is a clear exception

[gusty turret]

Its not though, the lore is sound

LMAO

[bronze turtle]

It just don’t tho

[dim palm]

scorched was rushed

[bronze turtle]

The devs said that they want it to fit in the lore more

[gusty turret]

Asa scorched is gonna be just as bad with copy pasted asset rocks all over the place

[bronze turtle]

Did you just start playing this game ???

[gusty turret]

No????

[dim palm]

I dont believe so. they want to fix it

[bronze turtle]

It is the worst of the story maps… the story literally goes nowhere in se

[dim palm]

they literally delayed it again till april to work on it more

[bronze turtle]

They have stated they want to make it more lore relevant

[gusty turret]

They also didn't want to delay genesis like 2 years

[gusty turret]

That's just blatantly untrue but you obviously don't care about the lore significance that does occur so

[bronze turtle]

You clearly never seen the rest of the lore if you think scorched fits

It adds like 3 important things

[gusty turret]

Ive literally read every single note myself 😭

[dim palm]

im pretty sure you could just take scorched out of the lore and if it went from the island > aberration not much would change

[bronze turtle]

And how do you know I haven’t ? Even after reading them it adds barely anything

[bronze turtle]

Yea you can and that’s why it’s getting a huge update

[dim palm]

im so thankfulk

i dont mind if they delay it even longer

[gusty turret]

If Helena hadn't learned about the obelisks from Raia, the tek tribe would've been smote, the gateway project never would've been completed because theyd all be dead, none of extinction would've happened, none of either genesis would've happened

[dim palm]

i want scorched to be up to par with the rest of the maps

[gusty turret]

Its quite significant

[dim palm]

so scorched adds 1 thing?

[gusty turret]

It adds one major detail that carries the rest of the story yeah

Two actually because Rockwell also gets worse

[bronze turtle]

It’s just a theory she has … the aberration is broken wow difficult concept I know and I’m not deny that as important but other then that tell me something else that makes the story better

[gusty turret]

Without scorched the story literally just doesn't happen

[bronze turtle]

Facts I want it on the level of island of importance

[dim palm]

i just wish it wasnt canon that people could choose their destination when ascending... it would make things much better

[gusty turret]

It wouldn't

[bronze turtle]

What would change if they just went to ab instead

[gusty turret]

I already said literally none of the rest of the story would've happened

It was a catalyst for the rest of the story

[bronze turtle]

If the concept of the obs doing that stuff was never introduced it wouldn’t be a threat

[gusty turret]

The obs have always done stuff though

[dim palm]

if every clone had to go through the arks in an order, it would mean they would actualy have to fight to get off of scorched etc etc

[bronze turtle]

Yeah teleport things and act as power sources… scorched adds one more thing nothing would change and if it did barely if scorched was never made

You can’t in all seriousness think scorched is on the level of ab or extinction on furthing the lore you can’t

[gusty turret]

Asking for Scorched to be as significant as the island is just totally unreasonable and unrealistic, the literal introduction and beginning of the story cannot be compared to the catalyst that helps the story develop

Its not supposed to be on the same level

It doesn't need to be on the same level

[bronze turtle]

It’s not a stepping stone in any way

[gusty turret]

It clearly is though

Its like the glue that holds the rest of the story together

[bronze turtle]

How ?

[dim palm]

i just want more bosses and i want it to be more in line with other arks 😭

[bronze turtle]

Just how

[dim palm]

it should have 3 guardians a tek cave and overseer

[bronze turtle]

It ain’t it’s useless it literally brings 3 things to the story

[gusty turret]

I've already explained it like 3 times

[dim palm]

thats more like aberration tbh

[bronze turtle]

You said the obs

[gusty turret]

Scorched is the catalyst that launches aberration into extinction

[bronze turtle]

I don’t think you understand you can ignore scorched and still make sense of it
Remove the ob stuff and it’s literally nothing they ventured around the desert for a few days before a old hag shows them how to leave

[gusty turret]

So what you're saying is you can't skip it without fundamentally changing the story

It would be like if i rewrote lord of the rings and just had the eagles take Frodo to mount doom

[dim palm]

honestly the most i want is more bosses and info on aberrations original guardians and overseer

[bronze turtle]

You couldn’t of read the notes I’ve never seen anything like this… defending lazy writing saying the money grab and it’s lose lore is “important”

And yea I agree we do need more info on abs guardians

[gusty turret]

The guardians we can't prove exist!!!!!

[gusty turret]

I have infact read it all

[bronze turtle]

😑

Dear god have mercy

Do the notes say there are drops ?

[dim palm]

we have 3 obelisks

[gusty turret]

Nope cuz they're not canon

[bronze turtle]

😧

I did not read that

[gusty turret]

You probably think the moon being exploded for extinction has lore to it too don't you?

They just add things they think look cool

Not everything has to be explained in lore

[bronze turtle]

the literal arena has the drops
They changed the drops to show space and a break in the boarder in asa go in game and you can see it !!!
You have lost it

[dim palm]

same with aberration having guardians

[bronze turtle]

You have lost it

Not everything needs to be explained in the notes

[gusty turret]

For it to be more than yapping yes it does

If it is not openly stated by a character or the writer theres no reason to take it as canon/lore

[bronze turtle]

How would the note people know the moon exploded ??? They wouldn’t
They never fought the guardians how would they know they existed

Ever hear of environmental story telling

Wow wild concept I know

[gusty turret]

They openly stated the moon is exploded because it looked cooler

[bronze turtle]

They openly stated scorched lord doesn’t fit

I’m talking about the drops rn

[gusty turret]

The same concept applies to drops

[bronze turtle]

Never have I once seen anything like this

[gusty turret]

Glowing beacons in the sky are too significant not to be mentioned by anyone in the notes

[dim palm]

wdym by drops

[bronze turtle]

The loot drops on map

And before overseer arena

[dim palm]

wait what about them

[bronze turtle]

He is saying they are not cannon

Because the note don’t state them

[dim palm]

HUH??

[bronze turtle]

Yeah I know

[dim palm]

bro loot drops are 100% canon

you literally see them go down in the hall of history

[bronze turtle]

Like I said ever hear of environmental story telling

[gusty turret]

So people just ignored the giant glowing beacons coming down from the sky and never commented on them once?

Out of the like 7 perspectives we get of the arks

[bronze turtle]

The amarga has a note

Does that mean lost is cannon

Hmm?

[gusty turret]

Not one of them thought giant glowing beacons were significant

[dim palm]

loot drops are canon

[gusty turret]

Nope

[gusty turret]

Nope

[bronze turtle]

But your note idea

[gusty turret]

Dossiers are also questionably canon

[bronze turtle]

Oh so it’s only what you want ?

I see how this is going now

[gusty turret]

Since Helena physically couldn't have written them on Extinction while comatose

Nah dossiers are just dodgy at best

[bronze turtle]

Well explain why it’s in the notes

They are cannon she states making them in her ab notes

[gusty turret]

They're about as canon as the chronicles imo

[bronze turtle]

The extinction chronicles are cannon they are literally how the one who waits knows to kill the titans

[gusty turret]

The ??? Notes that are scattered across the previous three maps have nothing to do with killing the titans

She doesn't talk about the titans till actually on Extinction as the one who waits

[bronze turtle]

Breh they are still the same note group

You can’t decide these are cannon and these are not

[gusty turret]

??? And the one who waits are separate

[bronze turtle]

Same author tab buddy

Still explain amarga note

Or any of the other mod map ones

[dim palm]

pretty sure ??? and the one who waits are both helena, no?

[bronze turtle]

Yes

[gusty turret]

Ive already said dossiers are questionably canon but thats also just the style with which Wildcard introduces creatures

[forest rose]

Hey, I got a question. How did the overseer on the Aberration Ark not realize the power of the survivors?

[gusty turret]

??? Is chronicles Helena and the one who waits is extinction Helena

[bronze turtle]

That’s not true… she states on your beloved ab notes she makes them

[bronze turtle]

It was testing a layout of all future people and they decided to surprise the overseer by hacking in and blowing it up

[forest rose]

Ah, thanks. Just got back into ARK & am still rusty lol

[gusty turret]

The overseer doesn't care if they're powerful it only cares if they're lazy

Hence why the legion got big strong

[forest rose]

The overseer cared about the new legions power

The Giganotosaurus & alpha predators were created for the sole reason to weaken the legion if I am correct

[gusty turret]

Ive been told on multiple occasions thats not true

[bronze turtle]

???

[forest rose]

I was told it was. Might be wrong though

[gusty turret]

The people that frequent here told me i was wrong when i thought that so

[dim palm]

ive been told its true too

[bronze turtle]

The overseer just throws people into the ark and the best survivors end up making there way to overseer for the “final test”

[forest rose]

On the wiki it says the Giga was created to weaken the New Legion

[bronze turtle]

Idk where the giga comes in lmao

[gusty turret]

Don't trust the wiki it says a lot of things

[bronze turtle]

Mei tamed it to fight them ??? That’s the only thing I can think of

[forest rose]

I've been told by some of my friends its true as well

[gusty turret]

The only instance we have of creatures being created as punishment is wyverns

[bronze turtle]

Weren’t the mantis also ? Or am I mistaken on that?

[gusty turret]

I was always under the assumption they always existed and it was merely a herd that was directed to attack the city

[forest rose]

If I am correct, schorched earth created many creatures as a nussance to survivors & to curb their power, wyvers, rock elementals, death worms, etc. I could see the same with the Giga due to its power

[bronze turtle]

Because before the wyverns they said they were being “raided” by mantis
Idk probably there before

[gusty turret]

Death worms are the scorched equivalent of leeds

[bronze turtle]

Is that from the wiki?

[forest rose]

Yes, a natural barrier to deter the survivors away from the border

[gusty turret]

Keep people away from the world border

[bronze turtle]

I forgot how wack the wiki is

I just don’t believe in any note they mentioned giga being made whatsoever

[gusty turret]

Yeah Mei just found it as far as i know

I think a popular new headcanon is the carch was created to deal with survivors

Thats probably where it comes from

[forest rose]

I thought Mei & Nerva discovered the Giga around the same time their little war was going on

[gusty turret]

Nerva didn't discover it till he tried to ambush her

[bronze turtle]

Ah I see

And dude I’m not trying to say you don’t know the lore… it’s just I have strong opinions on how scorched turned out lol

The drops tho can’t agree…
But I never heard of this giga being made to fight nerva lmao

[gusty turret]

Ive heard it before so its definitely a popular little tidbit people like to share

[forest rose]

I have heard it quite a few times

[gusty turret]

That and nameless being humans Rockwell corrupted😭

[forest rose]

Never heard that one before

[gusty turret]

I've definitely been hit with it a few times before

[forest rose]

I thought they were Aberrations cave gremlins before the people obliterated the arlk

[gusty turret]

Yeah they always existed

[bronze turtle]

Damn… I heard the writer of the lore said the note reapers are earlier variants…

[gusty turret]

Mei encountered them before Rockwell even showed up

[bronze turtle]

Same creature but like the ones Mei and them run into are like the arks older versions

[gusty turret]

Reapers and seekers etc also always existed

[forest rose]

yeah

[gusty turret]

Mei almost had a pet reaper😔

[forest rose]

I watch a lot of neddy's lore videos, though I heard he hates ASA

[bronze turtle]

Yea I know that but like I said he said that they were more like “prototypes” I think was the word he used

[forest rose]

I heard that as well

[bronze turtle]

I got mixed feeling on him… constantly complaining about the game

[gusty turret]

Im not a fan of ASA either i understand people not liking it

[forest rose]

Relatable

I prefer ASA much more to ASE, but back on topic

[gusty turret]

Id rather get tas release date than a reskinned game with a couple new features and some copy pasted assets

[bronze turtle]

I get the reasons but personally on ps5 unofficial it works great for me I get why others don’t like it tho

[forest rose]

If I am correct, Nerva & Mei Yin both arrived to the surface of Aberration before Rockwell & Helena right?

[bronze turtle]

And it’s clear asa was rushed a few months early
Tek walls and stuff look horrible

You can’t even see the tek rifle shot lmao

[gusty turret]

Well Mei did Nerva was already a corpse so to say he arrived would bring into question if hes still him when hes dead or not

[forest rose]

I play my own version of PP+ by disabling a bunch of engrams, so weouldn't know lol

[gusty turret]

Mei and Nervas corpse arrived at the same time

[bronze turtle]

😧 I love tek so no thanks

[forest rose]

I prefer PP+ in the old ASE, loved that gamemode

[gusty turret]

I hate tek it makes the game boring

[forest rose]

Agreed, too op for my taste

[gusty turret]

Its not that its op its just boring

[dim palm]

the tek rifle bullets are so nasty (in a bad way)

[gusty turret]

I wanna eat a tek sword it looks tasty

[bronze turtle]

Idk personally I love the lore around it… and well I’m pve so I don’t really care lmao gen 2 in my opinion was great

[forest rose]

Become Rockwell 2.0

[dim palm]

in asa*

[bronze turtle]

Like I said they are invisible for me 😭

[forest rose]

Genesis was ok, My favorite is Extinction

[dim palm]

for me they arent even round, theyre like, oblong

[gusty turret]

Im a pvp player so tek hurts my soul it just makes the whole experience so bland

[dim palm]

they look really really disgusting

[bronze turtle]

I do wish we got like a broke. Tek suit on gen 2 and do the missions to repair it

[forest rose]

I play singleplayer scuffed ASA PP+

& its great

[bronze turtle]

I think that would be a fun way of progress

[gusty turret]

Gen 2 was a mistake on like all fronts

[bronze turtle]

Like when you shoot can you see them because I can only see them from the sid e

[gusty turret]

They rewrote my twink to be a buff bald man

[bronze turtle]

😧 wtf

Wait who we talking about ?

[gusty turret]

Santiago

[forest rose]

I am extremely excited for Abberration & Extinction on ASA if it looks anywhere near as good as the Island

[bronze turtle]

Oh lord

Vin looks nothing like him

[forest rose]

Santiago as Vin Diesel? ARK II gonna be great

[bronze turtle]

Why????? What where they thinking ????

[gusty turret]

I bet he had pink and blue programmer socks before they rewrote him

[dim palm]

i mean hes a huge fan of ark so its not just a completely random celeb plugin

[gusty turret]

It is though they could've made him a new character

[bronze turtle]

I think someone like Adam driver would be a better choice I mean kinda looks similar to the few images we have … idk my opinion tho

[forest rose]

I like the change. I prefer Vin to the old santiago

[gusty turret]

Hes unga bunga now instead of hacker twink

[forest rose]

Adam Driver would be great in ARK, already got 65 experience lol

[bronze turtle]

Yeah I don’t like that… he seems more brawn then brains if you get what I mean now

[forest rose]

I get what you mean tbf

[gusty turret]

The old Santiago hacked URE Central command and reverse engineered their tek suit in less than a day new Santiago looks like he doesn't even know what the Internet is

[forest rose]

Did ASE have the voiceovers for explorer notes?

[bronze turtle]

Facts

[bronze turtle]

Yes for Helena and Rockwell

[forest rose]

bruh

[dim palm]

im an idiot

[forest rose]

Thank you

[dim palm]

hes right xd

[forest rose]

I find it neat to have a voiceover for the explorer notes

[gusty turret]

Vin Diesel also narced on taming feroxs with berries

I like that David Tennant is Rockwell

Good choice

[forest rose]

All the actors I believe they perfected

[bold dove]

Helena's current voice actress is questionable, personally

[bronze turtle]

I don’t like the new hlna takes they choose… on gen 2 better on gen 1 horrible sounds dead inside

[forest rose]

Can't wait to see Russel Crowe as the mysterious prophet & Gerald Butler as Nerva

[bronze turtle]

And don’t get me started on extinction ascension now
I know she can voice better she has but some notes need to have a retake

[forest rose]

Though Extinction is my favorite map, they could perfect the ascension a bit more

[gusty turret]

I mean to be fair helenadeus is kind of meant to sound machine and dead inside

[forest rose]

Yep

[bronze turtle]

Yes but compare the hlna lines
And remember at that point she was able to be Helena almost like half homodeus?

[gusty turret]

Hlna voice i agree with but i think Helenadeus is good

[bronze turtle]

Well yes I’m just saying the ending I thinks notes are good personally

[gusty turret]

Gen 2 hlna was just annoying

She made fun of me for dying

[forest rose]

Before ASA, never though I'd see a raptor running from a para

[gusty turret]

I was about ready to let Rockwell win if she kept at it

The new programming on creatures sucks ive noticed😭

[forest rose]

I like it a lot

[gusty turret]

Just from videos ive seen and stuff creatures look way dumber than they did before

[forest rose]

Trust me, creatures are much better

[bronze turtle]

I think it is better

[gusty turret]

The only new thing i like is babies

[bronze turtle]

Other then flyers and sea creatures

They didn’t get updated

[forest rose]

Where are me baby pterasaurs

I do think nests would be a great addition, especially for Pteranodons & other pterasaurs

[gusty turret]

They should've added nests for all creatures like deinons

Or like the hunted mod or whatever its called if yall have ever seen that

[bronze turtle]

In the southern rock area!!!

That would be perfect

[forest rose]

YES

[quaint marsh]

At the top of the cliffs

[bronze turtle]

I hate how they didn’t bother to change the ob designs in note, intros, and even the overseer island map in asa 😠

[dim palm]

do yall think its canon that we need artifacts to summon the titans?

probably not, right?

[lyric tendon]

nope

[lyric tendon]

i mean notes are meant to be journals from the past, so that fits

[forest rose]

I am ASA’s biggest fan so I side with it’s fine that they didn’t change much

Drake said it pretty much

[bronze turtle]

The obs don’t change the design in the history of the ark

Ase is basically retconned the new designs are cannon

I’m terms of like designs I mean the lore isn’t retconned

[lyric tendon]

there is no explaination in the spores in the Hall of Histroy either tho

i dont mind it as it feels like the ARKs are getting aged

[bronze turtle]

Well I get that I like that it’s just… the ob having the old ase look in the notes make zero sense the obs have not changed in the lore

[lyric tendon]

again, notes are meant to be journals of the past, it makes more sense that the Obs they see at the time are shiny and less organic

[bronze turtle]

The obs tho never change in the lore they don’t go from ase to asa ones I get it’s probably millions of years between us and Helena but the structure the metal design of the ob cannot change

[dim palm]

the obelisks didnt change. we are playing at the same time as ase

its just a new canon design. its not them aging

[bronze turtle]

The design in the notes compared to asa gameplay is not simple aging it’s a complete structure redesign

[dim palm]

yes we play at the exact same time as ase so it isnt aging

[bronze turtle]

Yeah

[lyric tendon]

also again this is also in a realm of Gameplay not the same as lore

[bronze turtle]

In a w?

[lyric tendon]

unless there is something will be revealed in their new paid DLC map for ASA

[bronze turtle]

Still the new asa design is the new cannon design

The old ase one is retconned

[stable gate]

I agree the, the obelisks just havent been changed in the notes to the newer model

[bronze turtle]

They went through the effort of changing the ob in the arks in overseer boss fight why not the note and intro… I just think it’s laziness at this point

[lyric tendon]

tbh there are more pressing matters than changing some artwork like performance issues and crashes

[dim palm]

can you send me a photo of that please?

[bronze turtle]

Of what ?

[bronze turtle]

I get that… clearly the game should of had a few more months before launching

[lyric tendon]

that is what happened if people demand "gameplay now" when they are in a crunch, ironing some issues

[dim palm]

thats not what happened. they were forced to release asa before it was ready because of a contract with nitrado

[dim palm]

the different ob in the overseer boss fight

[bronze turtle]

Yeah I can send a image of it…. I’m just saying the arks in the distance actually look like the new design not the ase one

[dim palm]

yes please send it!

[bronze turtle]

Might take awhile im not online rn

[dim palm]

all good, take your time

[dim palm]

you know, it would be amazing if they made another story map on an ARK that has all the non canon dlc creatures. a map with the desmodus, amargasaurus, dinopithecus, etc etc

it would be cool

[dim palm]

im also reaaaaly hoping they add new tekgrams to scorched. aberration has new tekgrams but scorched doesnt

[low briar]

Scorched has the Tek Light and Sword, doesn't it?

[dim palm]

im pretty sure those were introduced with rag, not scorched, no?

[forest rose]

No they were schorched I am 95% sure

[low briar]

You're right, Rag. Getting confused on shared Manticore boss

[dim palm]

on the wiki it has the ragnarok symbol next to the tekgrams

[forest rose]

oh

[dim palm]

which is dumb af

[forest rose]

Im in the same boat as Zena lol

[dim palm]

scorched needs new tekgrams

[forest rose]

I could care les about tekgrams tbf

[dim palm]

tek atv, maglev, etc

[forest rose]

YO

Prehistoric Beasts II arrived on crossplay. More carnivores to make my life a living hell lol

[dim palm]

is that a mod?

[forest rose]

Yep, Prehistoric Beasts is a chain of mods which adds a bunch of mesozoic era creatures to Ark

[dim palm]

oooh thats cool

[forest rose]

Like Ark additions, but with a lot more dinos

I wish they prioritized herbivores or pterasaurs, but can't ask for everything lol

[dim palm]

for the mod or base game?

[forest rose]

Both tbf

[dim palm]

fair

i like the new sauropods

the amargasaurus and the dreadnaughtus

i felt like sauropod variety was a bit lacking

[forest rose]

Wish they were on the island lol

[dim palm]

fr

[forest rose]

Also wish they redid the Bronto & Diplo

[dim palm]

i want the desmodus, tropeo, and amar on the island

[forest rose]

Same

[dim palm]

like i said earlier tho it would be cool if they made a new canon map on an ark that had a lot of the dlc creatures

and i WISH the fenrisulfr was on a canon map, its a perfect guardian and fits them well

the dinopithecus king and crystal wyvern queen not so much. im not big fans of them

[low briar]

Would be neat if the devs added some side story stuff to the non-canon maps to make them canon. Don't have to affect the main Ark story, just add some ruins and notes around to make those maps more worth exploring

[dim palm]

id rather not tbh

like fjordur just wouldnt make sense period

same with crystal isles, and the center

ragnarok maybe but like, id prefer maps build from the ground up designed for the story

[low briar]

Why not? The Arks are already pretty nuts when you think about them

[dim palm]

thats fair, but they dont really fit the canon much at all

theyre better seperated from the story imo

if fjordur was canon it would make different realms canon and whatnot

crystal isles and the center would make floating islands canon

[low briar]

Anything can be reasonably and believably worked into a story with a bit of effort - but fair opinion on not wanting them to be

[dim palm]

dont get me wrong they arent bad maps by any means, but they werent designed with the story in mind in the first place

[low briar]

Fjordur Realms = different parts of a larger Ark, ala Genesis Biomes

ect

[dim palm]

genesis was a simulation so it wouldnt work

plus ark is more scifi than mythical

[low briar]

I know, just a quick example

[dim palm]

im not trying to diss you or nothing btw

i just dont want them to make these maps with nothing to do with the story canon

[low briar]

Fair

[dim palm]

like, if it was up to me, i wouldve never added mod maps to official

i wouldve kept them mods xD

[bronze turtle]

To be fair other the fjorder the other ones could just be random arks

[dim palm]

if they made them canon it would mess up the guardians and stuff

it would make the island's guardians and the manticore are on multiple arks

[bronze turtle]

Tbh does every ark really need different guardians

[dim palm]

agreed

i did like that they started making non canon guardians for the mod maps

it sucks it was only 1

honestly the only non canon guardian i think is really guardian material is the fenrisulfr

[bronze turtle]

Idk in my head cannon all mod maps are just random arks we never go to except fjorder

[dim palm]

thats fair to havee

i personally hate that they added mod maps to the game

all those unqiue critters coulda been on canon maps

[bronze turtle]

Well the only one I have a issue with is fjorder because it does not fit into the lore at all
The others could like 100 be other arks
Fjorder just can’t nothing matches obs, drops

[forest rose]

I get that, though I am glad I was able to play them

[dim palm]

i just wish they wouldve used the fenrisulfr on like, a frozen ark map

[dim palm]

100% fair

[forest rose]

since without them being made official, xbox would've missed out lol

well until ASA

[bronze turtle]

Idk I like the mod maps though they are not my favourites in anyway they are not bad basic maps

[dim palm]

i hope if they add an overseer to scorched it upgrades your implant the same way the island's overseer does

[forest rose]

I like the mystery tbf

[dim palm]

the only mod maps i really dont like are rag, the center, and crystal isles

[low briar]

More glowy arm rock upgrades pls, I need them all

[gusty turret]

Rag is like the best one????

[dim palm]

it wouldnt really make sense for it to be any different

[forest rose]

No, Rag is overrated tbf

[gusty turret]

Nahhh

Its properly rated

[dim palm]

aberration is different because the original overseer is gone

[forest rose]

Extinction is the best

[dim palm]

rag is ass imo

[dim palm]

ext 2nd favorite. ab on top ‼️

[low briar]

Ab is king

[forest rose]

AB is my third favorite

[bronze turtle]

Rag is overrated not bad tho

[dim palm]

rag is so boring

[forest rose]

This

[gusty turret]

I've spent most of my 6000 hours on rag

[low briar]

Rag is like baby's first DnD map. Imagine actually putting desert next to the coldest biome in the game ohwaittheydid

[bronze turtle]

Ab is great personal tho I like gen 2 yes I know get angry at me lol

[forest rose]

I don't like the desert part

[gusty turret]

Gen 1 and gen 2 sucked for me

They're still above scorched

[forest rose]

Its your opinion. Good for you for liking something different lol

[dim palm]

i love gen 2, but its just completely different from the og maps

[dim palm]

gen 1 and 2 were completely different and added different gameplay mechanics, i really liked them

[gusty turret]

Ab, ext, island, gen 1, gen 2, scorched is my list

[dim palm]

gen 1 is hard af

[forest rose]

1. Extinction

2. Schorched Earth

3. The Island

4. Aberration

[gusty turret]

Gen 1 and gen 2 were 100% pve maps its hard to pvp on them

[bronze turtle]

I think it does a well job in ending the story… you can tell they prioritized the lore in those maps at least making it easier to follow

[dim palm]

gen 1 and 2 give off completely different vibes from the original 4. prob cuz they were written by a different guy

[forest rose]

I love schorched earth

[gusty turret]

I don't its just unreasonable in so many aspects

How do lightning storms damage generators that are deep underground?????

[dim palm]

i like it and its idea, but it just falls flat in a lot of areas. it has SO much potential... i hope they make it incredible in asa

[forest rose]

Indeed

[gusty turret]

The only main water source is filled with kapros so you can barely even get water

[forest rose]

Exactly

[dim palm]

theyre delaying it till april, i dont mind if they delay longer to make it amazing

[dim palm]

i like how hard scorched is tbh

[gusty turret]

Didn't they only delay it like 3 days

[dim palm]

its a frickin desert its not supposed to be easy

ab is hard to progress, scorched is hard to live on

[gusty turret]

I like hard games, scorched isn't hard its just "why would i play this for any reason other than to torture myself"

Ab isn't hard to progress😭😭

[bronze turtle]

I have strong feelings about current scorched… it could of been so much better

[dim palm]

lack of fliers, lack of access to oil and cementing paste, large verticality, etc

[bronze turtle]

Ab has a more “structured” progression system almost like subnautica tbh

[gusty turret]

Theres so many trilobites for oil if you wanna go that route, or i think theres also just oil rocks in pretty easy places

[dim palm]

haha thats true

[dim palm]

not to mention the difficulty to transfer off of ab

[gusty turret]

That part does suck

[dim palm]

i like it tbh

[gusty turret]

Once you get like grapples or climbing picks its not bad though

[dim palm]

its like... "dont go to ab until youre ready cuz youll be stuck there for a while"

[gusty turret]

Also there is no shortage of cementing paste you just make it yourself

There are crabs that drop like thousands of chitin

Cementing paste is overabundant😭

[bronze turtle]

True combine that with doed and your gold

[dim palm]

eh, i think progressing on ab is definitely harder than the island

i LOVE the verticality of ab

i HATE how managarmrs are allowed on ab tho, they kinda ruin the point

[gusty turret]

It depends how many theris or alpha raptors or spinos you spawn on top of

[bronze turtle]

Alpha snake is the worse to find hands down

[gusty turret]

Ive seen maybe like one alpha basilisk ever

And it was on fjordur😭

[gusty turret]

They're fine tbh its not different than having a teksuit really

I always use bloodstalkers

Bloodstalkers would be a good spawn for the blue zone

[dim palm]

having managarmrs on ab makes rockdrakes obsolete

[gusty turret]

Not really

Drakes are more tanky and immune to rads plus healing from nameless venom cloaking and extra damage to reapers

[dim palm]

i mean the verticality

[gusty turret]

Plus if you go zooming across abb on a mana you're probably gonna crash somewhere in the middle of the blue zone trying to render everything

[dim palm]

i peersonally feel like they should be banned from ab

[dim palm]

i always see managarmrs on ab instead of rockdrakes being used by tribes

[gusty turret]

I see it on pvp cuz manas are just the meta for pvp but in general i think people use drakes for just vibing

And people still use drakes for the tek saddle even then

[dim palm]

i wish tek saddles did stuff other than just shooting projectiles

and i wish the tek railgun actually had a long range like a sniper should

i literally cant shoot stuff from across a river

[gusty turret]

Ah yes because a gun that can shoot through walls that deals a large amount of damage with high range could never break the game in any way

Mesher? I hardly even know er

[dim palm]

i mean it could be solveed by having two firing modes

one that shoots thru walls with low range, and one that doesnt but has high range

easy fix

[dim palm]

i feel like cryopods and cryofridges shouldve been tekgrams, and the mining drill shouldve been made of tek and been a tekgram as well

its just weird for a gasoline powered device to make crazy laser beams like tek would

[gusty turret]

Its just a powerful laser😭 you don't need tek to do that electricity isn't that big of thing

It also chugs gasoline

[dim palm]

isnt it strange that rockwell is logged in your implant as "Rockwell" instead of "Aberration Overseer" or something?

[gusty turret]

No?

Why wouldn't you call Rockwell Rockwell

The fight isn't called Aberration overseer

[bold dove]

Non-canon

Please learn the differences between gameplay and lore.

[dim palm]

the arks recognize him as the aberration overseer instead of rockwell

[dim palm]

i know... im just saying bro

[bold dove]

And yet he has guardian rules with requiring artifacts.
Your point?

[gusty turret]

Barely

[dim palm]

my point is that it should probably say aberration overseer, thats it

[gusty turret]

He doesn't hold any power over the Ark

You fight Rockwell so it should be called Rockwell

Unless we wanna start calling Rockwell prime ship captain or something

[dim palm]

your implant would recognize him as the aberration overseer, your implant/the ark wouldnt know his name

[gusty turret]

The implant doesn't do anything besides like translation

[dim palm]

rockwell prime isnt regulated by the arks

[bold dove]

That wouldn't be a smart idea, since A: people who fought him already knows who he is. And B: that'd cause a lot of confusion in actual discussions.

[bold dove]

And yet he still goes on the implant.

[dim palm]

it would just be a small change, people would still know who he is etc

[dim palm]

(he shouldnt)

[gusty turret]

Canonically the implant doesn't change or anything besides at the end of Extinction when it melts off

They just knew people would want some little trinket that looks cool

[bold dove]

Fuck, even that's questionable sometimes.

[dim palm]

youre the guy who says supply drops arent canon

im pretty sure the implant changing would be canon

[gusty turret]

Because thats actually debatable!!!!

[bold dove]

They aren't.
In no note are they mentioned.

[dim palm]

and?

we literally see a section in the HoH that shows them dropping

[bold dove]

Cause Wildcard are idiots and like to add shit without the writers knowing.

This is the exact situation that happened with the moon.
The writer never intended for the moon to be blown up. Nor was it ever mentioned in the notes.

[gusty turret]

And the same applies to the implant

[bold dove]

But some ass thought they should add it in cause 'it looked cool'

[gusty turret]

Wildcard just likes adding things because they look cool

[bold dove]

And due to these situations, we now have a very convoluted lore that no one can agree upon what is and isn't canon.

[dim palm]

then, we dont know if theyre canon or not, its unclear.

[gusty turret]

We don't know if Bigfoot is real or not either

[bold dove]

Sure.
But in the grand scheme of things. The writer never intended for supply drops to be canon, and so in the notes (the only source of the story so far) they aren't canon.

[gusty turret]

Even if they're canonized in the animated series its a different universe so it doesn't impact the main one

[bold dove]

Well, we do know the original images where taken by some friends. So we know this fact.
Yet people still argue about it.

[bronze turtle]

How many times do we have to go over this

You clearly do not understand how storytelling is done the notes are not the only thing cannon if so our story is not cannon based on your thoughts

[gusty turret]

None, cringewell agreed and we argue on stupid stuff i say all the time so im happy

[bronze turtle]

Even the ark lore community agrees that drops are cannon

[gusty turret]

Apparently not because we are the ark lore community

[bronze turtle]

The tek cave IS cannon

The drop are cannon

[gusty turret]

Its your turn spartan i had this fight last night 😫

[bold dove]

This is a very poor analogy. Coming from a writer.
If a writer didn't agree with adding something to the story. And a developer just so happen to add something that breaks their world building. Then that very thing can easily be de-canonized.
Also, we're talking about 'canon' as in story writing. Not artillery weapons.

If I where to write a book, and my editor added something onto it without my knowledge, and we published it. That information 'they' made up isn't canon within the story I'm making.

[dim palm]

okay then is us ascending from the island not canon? because its not in the notes

[bronze turtle]

You can’t just say the game is not canon your friend here has done nothing but pick and choose what he wants to be “canon” the tek cave is cannon drops are cannon….

I don’t understand your idea of if it’s not in the notes it’s not canon

[bold dove]

It actually is.
Rockwell, Mei, and Helena all mentions the tek cave, Hall of History, and going through a warmhole to travel to another ARK.

[bronze turtle]

Therefore the drops are cannon

[dim palm]

okay im talking about us ascending

[bold dove]

Canon*
Please, for gods sake correct yourself.

[bronze turtle]

Please for god sake understand how a story works

[dim palm]

dont be grammar police you know what he meant

[bold dove]

I literally do.

[bronze turtle]

You don’t if you think the same way as your friend

[gusty turret]

We wormhole travel to scorched yes

[bold dove]

He's far from my friend.

[dim palm]

cringewell, since us ascending isnt in the notes how is it canon?

just saying

[bold dove]

The One Who Waits does mention this.

[dim palm]

alright then us beating rockwell prime?

[gusty turret]

We also get a cutscene which are also canon

[dim palm]

how is that canon if its not mentioned in the notes

[bronze turtle]

In scorched they don’t mention ascension just choosing ab so that’s not canon apparently

Base on your awful logic

[bold dove]

Portrayed in a canonical cutscene.

[bronze turtle]

Once again tek cave and hall of history is canon therefore drops are canon

[dim palm]

okay and how is that different then us seeing drops in the HoH

[bronze turtle]

It’s a canonical sequence

[bold dove]

Where the hell is this tek cave talk coming from?
I have no context with this.

[bronze turtle]

You two think drops are not canon The hall of history and tek cave are canon and drops appear in the hoh… therefore canon

So based on everything I have heard from you two it’s… anything you see does not matter only the notes do

[stable gate]

What is this argument

[bold dove]

I have no fucking clue anymore

[stable gate]

How r yall really arguing over if the drops are canon

[bronze turtle]

And apparently implants as well 🙄

[gusty turret]

Well i took a poop in a toilet and eated the fertilizer is that canon!!!!!

[stable gate]

If its in the official vanilla game it’s obviously canon, the drops are also sent down by the overseer. You can literally see them in the hall of history going down to the ark

[bronze turtle]

Now let’s use at least a few of your brain cells

[dim palm]

THANK YOU

[bronze turtle]

Are the ob terminals mentioned
No? Not cannon

Base on your logic

[dim palm]

ob terminals are canon. its also canon that each guardian is summoned from a specific obelisk

[bronze turtle]

I’m being sarcastic

[dim palm]

im an idiot i thought you were the other guy 🤦‍♂️

[bronze turtle]

Lmao

[dim palm]

xD

[stable gate]

Lmao

[gusty turret]

Do you think they put the artifacts up their ass to fight the guardians?

[stable gate]

They put them near the ob terminals

[bold dove]

Let me break this down roll quick.
And I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm trying to be civil here, so let's just chill off and think.
So, if the writer that Studio Wildcard hires where to of course 'write the story and the lore' for their game. And we agree this is his role, this is 'his' position in the company.
Now, if some random Joe within the studio came into the scene and added a section that the writer did not intend for, has no lore explanation for, and didn't write for, is now magically in the world.
If we where to take this seriously. We have to either imagine every survivor being idiots and never mentioning these devices. (even though they mentioned everything else) and ignoring these flying object coming down with SUPER valuable loot.
'Or' we imagine that the Hall of History for some reason extended just for a new room.
Now, Helena flat out state that the respawn system took decades to implement. And was very, very hard to do. And that's just for a coding rewrite.
In theory, to add a whole room into where the Overseer basically live, would take centuries of feeding them this idea. Which, even when Homo-Deus Helena never mentions this. I have a doubt about.

[stable gate]

Rockwell literally says it reacts with then

Them*

[gusty turret]

So it literally is canonized by notes and reapers point is null

Implants are just a cosmetic reward for killing bosses, its never once implied in lore that they do anything besides likely being what does universal translation

You don't have a magic bag of holding in your ass you can open and store stuff in

[bronze turtle]

They never state the terminals are there only that the obs reacted when presented with artifacts I thought you read the notes lmao

[gusty turret]

The terminals are part of the obelisk, if you would like to use critical thinking

[bronze turtle]

Drops are part of the hall of history as well

I thought notes are the only canon lore

[bold dove]

Red, may you read the message I sent?

[stable gate]

Also btw implants are canon because helena literally writes about them in the collectors edition dossier book

She draw a picture of it on her arm

[bold dove]

Not just that, but every survivor basically mentions them.

[bronze turtle]

You still don’t grasp the concept that environmental storytelling exists… the notes don’t need to say something for it to be cannon

[gusty turret]

Implants are canon, im saying the stupid little graphic upgrades aren't

And the functionality is next to none

[bronze turtle]

What evidence do you have saying they aren’t ?

[gusty turret]

What evidence do you have to say they are?

I don't have the burden of proof here, can you find any ounce of lore from anyone who ascends mentioning the implant changing?

[bold dove]

For once, can we not fucking insult each other like children?
I do grasp environmental storytelling. It's actually one of my preferred ways of telling stories.
But when a developer, basically a nobody in the scheme of writing, comes along and modifies the writing by adding 'unwanted' environmental storytelling. Then it becomes obsolete.

[dim palm]

how do you know it was unwanted?

how do you know they didnt want it in the lore?

[bold dove]

Mark Soskin flat out stated he had no intention for it.

[gusty turret]

Furthermore, whats more likely, us seeing the implant changing or Wildcard just wanting to add a cool little trinket because they knew the fandom would want to collect it?

[bronze turtle]

Guess what he isn’t in charge of lore no more

[lyric tendon]

The thing is the notes are either, written late like the island or written way too early and some details are not matched in the game like Ab

Nameless supposed to have spines in both the note and dossier but there is no spines in the model

[dim palm]

for what

[bold dove]

Correct.
And if TAS has anything to say, or Peter Fries. Then the drops still may be de-canonized.
As we've seen no shots at all so far of any supply drops in TAS. (where in-game they're plentiful)
And Peter Fries does FaQ's sometimes on his Twitter. So he may be the one to dispute if drops are canon or not.

[lyric tendon]

But that doesnt mean what he did is invalid

[bronze turtle]

I’m not saying that
This idea the the notes are the only canon things is just wrong in every way though that’s what I’m trying to argue

[dim palm]

agreed

[bronze turtle]

Also if the notes are the only canon… then the extinction map is not
Both notes and ab ending show a different one

I’m just trying to prove this is a flawed way of thinking

[lyric tendon]

Also the issue with ARK's current enviromental storytelling is that they change a lot of things without any context to speak off

(Like i memtioned the nameless model dont have spines despite being memtiomed both the notes and dossier)

[gusty turret]

Extinction isn't canon?

[forest rose]

It is lol

Also its the best map

[bronze turtle]

Hold on let me explain
The in game one is not based on your logic
The notes show sanctuary being completely different and the layout entirely different then the actual map one

[gusty turret]

Yeah, the extinction map is notably skewed compared to what it actually would've looked like

They had to compress it for gameplay

[forest rose]

Understandable

[gusty turret]

Mei had a massive journey in the notes if we're saying the map we play is canon she just walked in circles a lot

[bold dove]

Correct.
It's different due to budget costs from producing ATLAS at the same time.
Different creative envisions caused a diverge from what we see in the notes versus in-game.

[stable gate]

Exactly

[bronze turtle]

This is going to go nowhere… I guess 99% of the game is not canon if the notes are the only thing that can be considered “canon” in the ark lore

[lyric tendon]

Ext is supposed to be a lava hellscape in the ending as well that also proves relliance of enviromental storytelling for the lore is sketchy since WC cant make up their mind on what the map looked like overall

[gusty turret]

They also made it to Arat prime in the notes and arar prime doesn't exist on extinction

[bold dove]

80% of what we see in-game are explained in the notes.

[gusty turret]

They compressed the map like 100x what it actually would've been

[lyric tendon]

Guessing Arat Prime is planned to be a DLC imstead of Gen

[dim palm]

thats... thats because arat prime is on the other side of the globe..

[bronze turtle]

Untrue none of the items are not mentioned half of the Dinos since this guy believes the dossiers are half cannon. One who waits chronicles, ect
This man has done nothing but say almost everything is not canon because “the notes don’t say it”

[dim palm]

i do agree the extinction we see isnt what it is canonically, it would be muuuuuch bigger

[forest rose]

I think the extinction we got was great though

[bold dove]

Debatable.

[forest rose]

Its my favorite map, the best & most well made out of all the official maps

[gusty turret]

Any dossiers that were released in Helenas format after Extinction/on a not canon map aren't canon

[bold dove]

Personally, it's the worse map environmentally.
The wasteland takes up 60% of the map and it's bland as all hell.

[gusty turret]

Carchs and rhynios aren't canon

[forest rose]

It could be improved, but the wasteland is awesome

[bold dove]

It's dogshit

[stable gate]

Bro theres dossiers for them

[forest rose]

I like the challenge

[bold dove]

The map needs a complete TLC.

[dim palm]

i actually like that

[forest rose]

No it doesn't

[dim palm]

blud....

[forest rose]

They are lol

[bronze turtle]

No you have completely lost it

[dim palm]

so does that mean crystal wyverns arent canon? theyre on gen 2 in the survive the ark mission

[gusty turret]

The rhynio dossier literally mentions tek its impossible for it to be canon

[bold dove]

The challenge is fun.
But that doesn't make up the shitty environments.

[bronze turtle]

That is true

[forest rose]

Its not shitty?

The wastelands add a vital effect to the map

[dim palm]

it isnt shitty. its supposed to be dead

[gusty turret]

The dossiers aren't canon and they only exist in the simulation

[dim palm]

ever played fallout?

[forest rose]

Exactly

[dim palm]

bro...

[lyric tendon]

That is something would hopefilly fix in ASA... if the playerbase and Snail stop rushing the devs into crunch again like last time when they posted just concept art

[forest rose]

Its supposed to be utterly destroyed

[bold dove]

You're trying to state something as an objective fact, when I stated 'personally'

[bronze turtle]

Dossiers are canon she mentioned making them in notes

[dim palm]

oh my god id love a bigger ext

[forest rose]

My opinion is fact

[bold dove]

And yet, Fallout's wasteland has more variety then Extinctions.

[gusty turret]

Dossiers are canon but some aren't

[stable gate]

Brudda what are you on

[forest rose]

I would love a bigger extinction as well. As long as they keep to the current state of extinction

[bronze turtle]

They are canon they are on island Breh

[forest rose]

The wasteland, the three zones + sanctuary

[bold dove]

Concept art Extinction was way better, personally

[dim palm]

didnt you say dossiers are half canon? which is it

[forest rose]

Maybe the same map, just enlarged

[dim palm]

i love how ext is now, and i wouldnt want it to change

[bronze turtle]

But based on his logic since they are mentioned in notes they are all canon

[forest rose]

Its by far the best map & I will continue saying this

[bold dove]

Have you seen concept art for it?

[forest rose]

No other map has anything on extinction except maybe aberration with terrain alone

[dim palm]

no, i havent actually... could you dm it to me?

[gusty turret]

If you guys could read, dossiers are half canon, some are some aren't, crystal wyverns don't have a dossier because they only exist in the simulation, carchs and rhynios aren't canon, the rhynio dossier literally mentions tek which Helena didn't even know about till Ab

[dim palm]

crystal wyverns are on a non canon map so are they canon or not

[forest rose]

Most of the concept art is mediocre at best.

[bold dove]

Ight, now I know you're lying to yourself

[bronze turtle]

You have lost it those are on canon maps they are canon

You have lost your mind

[lyric tendon]

She doesnt know Tek until Ab and there is no way for us players to make children despite the dossiers mentions children

[gusty turret]

They're canon in the simulation but their dossier isn't canon because Helena never could've seen a crystal wyvern

[forest rose]

I'm not lol. I am looking at the concept art rn. Its good, but it just doesn't look like extinction

[lyric tendon]

Also the dossier for crearure votes are not be taken as canon just like creatures in non-story maps

[forest rose]

No man's land concept is great

[gusty turret]

Why is basic logic of Helena couldn't have written something she didn't know about so hard

[bronze turtle]

Idk how someone can deny the existence of the carcha

It is literally on a canon map

[stable gate]

K i do understand what your saying about how she couldnt have seen some of the creatures

[tawny karma]

Look we ain’t dealing with a particularly smart one here

[forest rose]

It's really not that overly great lol

[dim palm]

ALL RIGHT

[lyric tendon]

The dossier for the creature votes is just WC meant to give descriotion on their possible abilities to us

It wasnt meamt to be canon

[dim palm]

GUYS. why do the people on the island call the island "The Ark" if they didnt know about it????

[bronze turtle]

The creatures on island are canon the notes on island are canon

[forest rose]

ANY notes on ANY official map is canon

[bronze turtle]

Rockwell says in a scorched note he read it on the tek cave terminal

[dim palm]

he says it in an early note

[gusty turret]

Not creature vote/unofficial dino dossiers

[dim palm]

and why arent they canon?

[gusty turret]

Because they don't exist

[dim palm]

please tell me

okay why dont they exist

[bronze turtle]

If they are on island they are canon

[gusty turret]

Its as simple as that, they're implemented as purely gameplay

[bronze turtle]

Rynio and carcha are canon

[gusty turret]

They don't exist besides gameplay

[dim palm]

okay then crystal wyverns arent canon according to your thought process

[bronze turtle]

They have notes on the island and spawn

[gusty turret]

The dossier isn't but it exists in the simulation

We keep walking in circles because you just refuse to read and comprehend that someone can't write a note about something they never saw

[forest rose]

We have notes on Carcha tho?

[bronze turtle]

How do you know she hasn’t

[forest rose]

So Helena must've observed a carcha

thus, she saw it, thus Carcha is canon, thus Reaper is right

[dim palm]

okay and uh.... yeah the carchar exists on the island ark. same thing

[bronze turtle]

We have literal note spawns on island for the carcha and rhynio

[forest rose]

Nah man, trust its fake

[bronze turtle]

They are canon

No doubts they are 100% canon to the island

[gusty turret]

How did Helena write about Tek in the rhynio dossier if she doesn't know what tek is until aberration?

[stable gate]

I can understand her not seeing crystal wyverns but she was on island and charas where also on island therefore she would have had to seen them, they are canon

[bronze turtle]

Maybe hear me out … lazy writing but you like to deny that so

[gusty turret]

Creature vote dossiers are solely showcases in game or not, creature vote dinos aren't canon

[bronze turtle]

Plot hole hear about that

[forest rose]

Imagine a carcha in the ark series

[dim palm]

why did rockwell call the island an ARK if he didnt know what it was?

[stable gate]

Just wanna know whos your source

[bronze turtle]

I explained it

[stable gate]

He saw it on a terminal

[dim palm]

super early in his notes?

[dim palm]

id say all dlc dinos are canon even non canon map ones

[bronze turtle]

On a scorched note he says he read it on that terminal (tek cave probably)

[dim palm]

he already entered the tek cave that early?

[bronze turtle]

No the one to open it

Like to open the cave that terminal

[dim palm]

but how did he know abt it

[gusty turret]

Yeah thats just not the case, you're literally just saying something non-canon is canon

[dim palm]

we can bring them to the island and they have dossiers, no?

[bronze turtle]

The terminal had ingraved the word ARK

[dim palm]

and crystal wyverns are canon... soooo

[gusty turret]

Transferring isn't canon besides ascending, so no we can't bring them to island

[stable gate]

He also had ascended and probably seen the arks themselves

Oh wait

We talking island

Nvm

[dim palm]

they have dossiers tho

[gusty turret]

Nah he mentions it in like note 6, I'll admit that's a plot hole, but he could've either read it on the terminal still or it was just literally one of the first notes written and we have insight which they didn't at the time as to which way the story was going and they just haven't bothered to edit it

[gusty turret]

Their dossiers aren't canon tho because they come from a non canon map

And Helena physically never could've encountered one

[stable gate]

Big question here guys, is helenas left buttcheek canon?

[dim palm]

wait... so youre saying something in a note isnt canon? which is it?

[bronze turtle]

Like I said on scorched it explains he read it on a terminal

[bronze turtle]

No not in notes

[stable gate]

Damn

[gusty turret]

You just simply ignore that i repeatedly say that dossiers Helena physically never could've written are purely showcase from wildcard and couldn't be canon so I don't think you really care what i say unless i agree with you

[bronze turtle]

The carcha is canon tho

And rhynio

Even if the notes couldn’t of been written they are

[gusty turret]

So Helena wrote about Tek that she didn't know was a thing?

[bronze turtle]

Like I said it’s a plot hole and admit it was shitty writing

[dim palm]

even if the dossiers werent canon the creatures still are

[bronze turtle]

Exactly

[gusty turret]

The crystal wyvern purely exists in a simulation Helena never saw

[dim palm]

i mean i wish some werent, i think crystal wyverns dont fit ark imo, but i still understand that theyre canon

[stable gate]

Other arks do exist so they probably do exist, i do admit though idk how she wrote about them

[gusty turret]

Other arks do exist but none of them are documented to be crystal isles and most of them are just island clones

[stable gate]

Lets have a moment of silence for Helenas left buttcheek not being canon 😔

[dim palm]

that is not canon

[gusty turret]

A canon cutscene isn't canon?

[bronze turtle]

How do we know they are all island clones

[dim palm]

we see multiple islands and scorched's because they probably just reused assets

[bronze turtle]

I’m sure that they are different kinds of islands and deserts not exactly the same

[gusty turret]

Because Helena mentions it and we see it in the canon cutscene

[dim palm]

ab's ascension shows us on a hellscape earth but thats not canon

[dim palm]

its up to interpretation

[gusty turret]

No its not

Its literally directly told and portrayed to us

[dim palm]

also WHY would they even make multiple of the same ark? its a waste of resources.

[bronze turtle]

The arks are not only the island and scorched

[dim palm]

each ark is unique

[gusty turret]

Because the island is an ideal test climate?

It has a vast array of environments that supports a diverse ecosystem

[dim palm]

okay then what abt scorched and ab

[bronze turtle]

Exactly… they just reused assets since no one would pay attention to tell that closely

[stable gate]

Ab was a malfunction

[gusty turret]

Ab is definitely one of a kind and idk about scoefhed

[dim palm]

why wouldnt there be an arctic ark? or a tropical archipelligo?

[stable gate]

Not supposed to happen

[dim palm]

ab was unique too, it had the cave under it the whole time

[stable gate]

True

[dim palm]

there. already flaws in your thoughts

[gusty turret]

Because neither of those are a vast array of environments that support a diverse ecosystem

[dim palm]

every ark is unique

[bronze turtle]

They are testing for the best im environment and things on it why repeat the same one over and over does not fit with what the arks where doing

[dim palm]

it would make sense for them to have completely unique environments for each ark for maximum testing range

[dim palm]

exactly

[bronze turtle]

Every Ark is different testing different environments and how those on it adapt

[gusty turret]

How does giving a bunch of people a prime survival environment and being tasked with survival not equate to testing them and making sure they can survive back on Earth

[dim palm]

there could be a huge swampy ark or something

[dim palm]

what?

[bronze turtle]

You would only need one ark if they are all the island

[gusty turret]

No you don't

[stable gate]

The arks were also ran in multiple simulations with different varients, scorched had magmasaurs being tested on it. My point is that the arks all supposed to be different to test survivors in all types of ways. Look at the farm ark for example

[gusty turret]

Not when you're testing billions/trillions of people

[dim palm]

farm ark?

[stable gate]

The Farm is mentioned in a genesis santiago note

[dim palm]

they honestly had all the time in the world, and with no respawn protocol... well.. they would rlly only need one

[bronze turtle]

Having multiple biomes and environments and testing survivors across these areas is the best way of finding the best of the best

[dim palm]

pls dm me it

[stable gate]

It had stryders and stuff on it

[gusty turret]

Thats not how the system works though

They didn't have all the time in the world

The system is not infinite

[bronze turtle]

Having survivors travel to the same map over and over is not a good testing environment for getting the best survivors

[dim palm]

yeah

[bronze turtle]

They literally state it’s built to last forever and be perfect but over time there is bound to be mistakes

[gusty turret]

The island has jungles swamps plains hills mountains artic it is extremely diverse so people adapt to a wide array of environments

[dim palm]

the arks are completely fine, and theyve been running for god knows how long

[gusty turret]

They're not fine

At the time we arrive we are borderline at the end of their lifespan

They've already spiraled and will only get far worse to the point they're completely unlivable, the system is running out of resources

[bronze turtle]

It lacks many other environments how can the arks find the best if they are put through the same damn test over and over

[dim palm]

what makes you say that ???

the reason the system is stuck in a loop is because the king titan got so strong

[bronze turtle]

It does say they are built to last but SOME are failing because over that amount of time there are bound to be mistakes

[gusty turret]

I don't know im not the person who made the arks they probably did some science and decided the island provided the best environment for forcing human adaption

[forest rose]

To be completely fare reaper, most of the world is forest, jungle, mountains, & swamps. Schorched earth covers the rest

[bronze turtle]

Then was ab a island
If so it had guardians lmao

[forest rose]

Island also covers snowy environments with the north

As well, there were a lot of Arks. Many would be the same

[stable gate]

Ab was clearly different than island, the map layout is different in the notes

[forest rose]

Aberration could've had a ragnarok like environment with even more biomes, but we dont know

[forest rose]

Yes, it was different than the Island

[dim palm]

ab was an island but not the island

[bronze turtle]

Then your on my side each ark is different

Why would the ripped out pieces of earth all be the same

It makes zero sense

[dim palm]

honestly fair point

[gusty turret]

You could say I went through a lot of trouble for you. I sacrificed, tested and studied, all for you. All so that you could experience death, learn from it, and carry that knowledge with you into another life.

That is my greatest gift to you - the critical piece in my strategy. It's what allowed you to defy the System and its broken rules. It's what will allow you to bring this planet back from the brink.

But it's not free. Each time you return from death's clutches, there's a toll. Not for you - for the System. It takes resources, and resources can't be created, only converted.

You see those islands in the sky are seeds, and when they fall, they'll need what's left of the System's energy to bloom. So when the barren garden is fully revived, you'll lose the ability to revive yourself.

I'm sorry about that, but this is the best plan I had.

[forest rose]

A lot of the earth share similair environments, while also being extremely diverse,

I think you both make good points

[bronze turtle]

Earth doesn’t have a million islands that all are identical to each other

[forest rose]

I know

[gusty turret]

The one who waits #8, pointing out the system is running out of resources

[dim palm]

yeah all arks are prob unique, but there are probably a lot with similar environments

[forest rose]

This

[dim palm]

yes because she created the respawn protocol...

[stable gate]

True

[gusty turret]

It cant just fabricate dinos and people forever, it was running out regardless

[bronze turtle]

I’m sure there are many different looking islands and deserts and probably other biomes

[forest rose]

I mean realistically, the overseer could

[bronze turtle]

The arks are basically planets not every Dino is spawned

[gusty turret]

But a lot of them are, and a lot of the people

[forest rose]

A lot of dino's bred

Dont know bout sustainable environments though

[stable gate]

Are the dino breeding animations canon lol

[forest rose]

no

[gusty turret]

The system was designed to last forever in the same way Hitlers empire was meant to last a thousand years

[forest rose]

ok bud

[bronze turtle]

Well technically biologically speaking yes

[dim palm]

🤨

[bronze turtle]

Hold up

[forest rose]

We don't have to bring that in the discussion

[stable gate]

Now wait

Hold on

[gusty turret]

In the moment you can think something will last a long time but when it's actually put to that long time it doesn't last that long

[forest rose]

Almost a thousand years is pretty long

[bronze turtle]

Thinking about it they could of put him on a ark lmao

Eons not thousands

[gusty turret]

We don't know the timeframe

[forest rose]

Though then again, the arks aren't really supposed to be in orbit forever

[bronze turtle]

The arks have been in space a long time… and I’m not denying what your saying they are failing

[forest rose]

They were supposed to come down when the element started to disappear

[gusty turret]

With Genesis it seems to be less than a thousand

The genesis ship was fully crewed and maintained up until Rockwell arrived so it couldn't have been THAT long since departure

[bronze turtle]

Once again eco system basically a planet flying people breed as well lmao

[stable gate]

I like to think rockwell tokyo drifted an ark onto the genesis ship lol

[gusty turret]

Thatd be funny

[forest rose]

Schorched earth be like

[stable gate]

(I know thats not how it happened)

[bronze turtle]

Nida was never on earth

She was born on the ship

[tawny karma]

People reproduce…………

[gusty turret]

Im not denying that it just seems the intended time frame lessens as time goes on

[dim palm]

cryopods, clones, human reproduction

[bronze turtle]

Idk based on ruins and the genesis description I believe it’s eons