lore-nerdz

[broken star]

The plan is with all of the various survivors in the ark and you just happen to play the protagonist

[fallow sapphire]

Yes, by programming the arks

She herself can’t save them, but she can alter the system to allow for them to be respawned again

[fallow sapphire]

Adding bug fixes to code doesn’t fix the past, just fixes them for the future. Diana was a miracle, as iirc she tried with the others but failed

Even in note #7 she mentions how it was slow, not everyone could respawn in the beginning and that it could have been thousands of years to get it to work properly

It’s all explained in her notes

She talks about how she can’t make big changes, all she can do is influence the system, such as creating the ability to respawn

So yes, i guess program is the wrong word

In it’s literal sense atleast

[dapper furnace]

she couldnt delete the overseer

[dapper furnace]

why are abberant raptors the only raptors that pounce?

[lyric tendon]

Gameplay

[dapper furnace]

yeah that checks out

[lyric tendon]

Because Diana is close to Helena and Mei (Mostly Mei) compared to the other Tek Survivors

Familiarity is a factor as well

If Helena can revive the Tek Crew she would but it's her second time dabbling Tek

And the first without Santiago or Diana's help

Then what is your point?

It's not "she is incapable" she is trying to recreate the same process but for a mass scale

That took her a long, looooong time where at that point the Tek Crew's implants are deactivated like how your corpse left a deactivated implant

Ok?

[fallow sapphire]

If that was your point, you should have expressed that way earlier, cause I had absolutely no clue what you were shooting for

[brazen sparrow]

If you read the notes, you'd know that even she doesn't know how she did that, it was a fluke/accident. It took her ages to figure out how to implement it on the Arks because it wasn't intuitive or easy, she had to slowly but surely suggest through some means (I believe she says little bits of code, but could be wrong) that the Arks reprogram themselves to allow respawning

Kinda goofy but aight

[dense ice]

Is arguing with ppl about ark lore a hobby?

cause you sure do it a lot.

[dense ice]

You will be a much happier person if you spend time doing things that make you happy instead of things that waste your time and frustrate you — such as arguing with people about a videogame’s lore. That goes for basically everyone active in this channel, too.

It baffles me how many conversations I see here on the most petty, meaningless stuff. I mean people spend literal hours of their day in here

Why not learn a skill, make a new friend, spend time with family, or a partner?

[bold dove]

Love that Ned tries to give advice and basically small therapy instead of bashing someone.

He's not a licensed therapist (at least I don't think) I believe he just studied human behaviors and knows how to execute that information well.

Very much is.

[dense ice]

And what is that?

Why does the amount of ppl doing it mean anything in respect to your ability to do it?

Then get some

And find some friends that like archery

Join a club

[dapper furnace]

as someone who literally lives in a desert i live on this quote now 💀

[dense ice]

Sure, that would apply if there were no people, but the other person was saying that the presence of people was the issue.

[dapper furnace]

i used to live in a main city so i can kind of understand where he comes from. its kind of the same feeling between isolation and social isolation. its just about taking the next step

[south raft]

I recommend living in the neighborhood in city's instead of the city

[tough crag]

Neddy is the goat

[dapper furnace]

scary places those.

i'd rather an apartment complex then a suburbia. atleast i have an easy way out of a zombie apocalypse in an apartment complex. Neighbourhoods everythings flat and the only obstacle is fences. 💀

Yes im not mentally stable how could you tell?

I frequently think of escape options in an outbreak situation. even if it'll never happen

[sick canyon]

Neddy is the myotragus

[tough crag]

Neddy op

[dense ice]

💀

we do not speak of the myotragus. we only speak of the motobite now

[carmine cedar]

Vroom vroom

[carmine cedar]

Neighbourhood*

[mental basin]

Why Rock Well did Edmundium? Is he stupid?

[bronze turtle]

Why did edgar rockwelch do edmundium? Is he stupid?

[tough crag]

Edgar Edmund u mean lòĺ

[bronze turtle]

Eustis rodgerwell

[dawn stirrup]

The what?

[gusty turret]

Mmmmm motobite

[open wolf]

Rockwell shot up Edmundium(Liquid Element), because he believed that it would cause him to Ascend and become a God.

[tough crag]

Also because he was going crazy and thinking the element was telling him to ascend

[mental basin]

I'm aware, was just meming on Arkham Knights. XD

[placid lake]

I’m wondering… is there any way to work the other arks into ark lore?

It’s hinted Raya (I think her name was) had beaten the overseer and had been able to access other arks…

And for all we know she may have helped others to escape the scorched earth ark before

[open wolf]

It is mentioned in lore that there are many platforms and within the game you can create random maps. So in a way any Ark you create is in lore, you just can't expect every map to be mentioned individually.

[low briar]

Reasonable to assume there are dozens and dozens of other survivors who have at least done one Transfer, but are probably few and far between compared to the number of Arks and people on them overall

[placid lake]

Yeah. But it’s soo annoying lore wise to think that the others have no lore

Like, we should have like a group of people make a bunch of lore for the free dlcs and have the boxes with the survivor notes put around the islands

Look at Lost Island. There is SO MUCH LORE that we get to know nothing about.

All those buildings and everything

[low briar]

Didn't Ragnarok have unofficial lore when it was a mod map? I never played it then and it was clearly removed before added to the map list

Would be neat to see

[placid lake]

The devs don’t even have to deal with it. Let us survivors make the lore and they can just add it for everyone else

[low briar]

Eh, have to keep an eye on continuity and not overstepping/countering the actual lore. Probably more trouble than its worth

[open wolf]

I disagree that it would be too much trouble, with the hundreds or even thousands of Arks, I think it would be a simple thing to create your own lore on one or a handful of your own(random generated) maps.

[low briar]

But to add it officially to the lore?
Plus the quality, note images, translations and such? That's a lot of work

[open wolf]

Anything that is worth doing is worth the effort to do it. I'm not saying that I would have the energy to do it, otherwise I already would have, haha. But if someone wants to create their own story, I don't think it would be out of reach to accomplish.

[placid lake]

I mean on the free dlcs

Like get a bunch of people good at coming up with stories and such and then they think up lore for the ones that don’t have lore

[placid lake]

Who or what makes the lore images

I love them

[low briar]

Art team at WC probably

[placid lake]

Like I have a book I was writing

[open wolf]

I don't think that changes much in what I was saying. Step 1 create the story, step 2 create the images. The next step would be the most difficult and that would be to get WC to add the to the dlc's.

[placid lake]

And it’s highly influenced by ark in many ways even tho at the time I only knew it was a thing and barely even knew anything about it.

[placid lake]

Ah, yes

[placid lake]

But anyways if I ever finished the book I’d want the same sort of images and dossiers for the animals and things in it

I’ve been trying to figure out how to make an irl Tek gen

[lament raft]

well, first you'd need to find Element

and good luck there

[low briar]

Then you'd need to beat the Beta Megapithecus

[placid lake]

To do that I’ve been mentally breaking down how it works. And the team actually did their due diligence

[placid lake]

Actually, no.

You need to create something that’s that size, generates a large amount of electricity for low fuel cost, is self contained, radiates the electricity out, and that you can increase the electrical range of.

So something that works on a Tesla coil principal

But on a larger scale than an average one

[bronze turtle]

Why in the lore, not other survivor is corrupted in aberation like rockwell ?
And, did any other survivors ascends to earth?

[lament raft]

rockwell obsessed over Element more than anyone else

and actually injected himself with pure liquid element

[low briar]

Because Rockwell was the only one to inject himself with Element.
Plenty of survivors made it onto Earth, they made Base Camp Omega

They weren't particularly story relevant though, and were killed off during the initial corruption attacks

[lament raft]

i think there's some lore evidence that the Element hive mind on earth was using element to control rockwell

[bronze turtle]

Yes and why other survivor was not corrupted on earth ? And why this zombi charadesign for dino and not the mutant design like the great ferox or rockwell

[fallow sapphire]

I would say the opposite, honestly

His boss fight dialogue references earth, the titans, corruption all that

He even mentions how we would want to recreate the world, which would require stopping the corruption

[fallow sapphire]

I honestly can’t remember if theres any mention as to why survivors don’t get corrupted, or if they can. As for the Ferox and Rockwell, the Ferox I would assume was designed to sniff out and expel element (basing off it being in the simulation, so man made, can dig up element, and morphs when it consumes it), and Rockwell injected it into himself. Seeing as the element on aberration hasn’t corrupted the ark in any shape or form, i would say it’s not the same form of element that corrupted earth, or atleast nearly as powerful as the element that corrupted earth

[lament raft]

i just remember rockwell's notes talking about the element 'speaking' to him

i mean yes but there's a bit to show that the element hivemind could have been a cause of his insanity

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah thats just insanity at that point

After he had injected himself, maybe

But how can it talk to him if all he had ever done was seen it

Any map technically, but gen 2 is one of them

Gen 2 is known to have element in the soil, thus the whole reason for the stryders

[brazen sparrow]

The "corruption" that Rockwell had was purely unrelated and homemade more or less, and yes Element is sentient so it could make him hear it's intentions once he became one with it. I'm more inclined to believe that he's hearing The System/fellow Overseers when he says "the Arks" are talking to him though, but maybe that's just me

[fallow sapphire]

The stryders? Yeah it was Vindiagos way of atoning for his past

Yeah I know, just saying it technically can scrounge it up on any map

Though honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if the ark’s have element in their soil as well

Val isn’t canon

But i mean the ark’s in general

They’d have the same element concentration as the genesis ship, as they both use earth’s soil

[brazen sparrow]

They would, and seeing as the Arks whole thing was the big element go away wave, they wouldn't need to waste time using stryders on the Arks

[bronze turtle]

The macro summoners and experimental giga is a virtual creatur ?

[low briar]

Yes, those missions take place in a virtual environment

[bronze turtle]

Experimental giga is my favorite boss

[brazen sparrow]

Looks cool, weak as balls imo

[fallow sapphire]

If it wasn’t for the safe spot in the battle where you can just use a phase pistol, it would be insanely hard

[brazen sparrow]

Or, you know, you just use reapers lol

[arctic bison]

just blow up the fuel barrel thingamajigy once he's next to it for free dmg 4head

[brazen sparrow]

Thylas work too

[arctic bison]

you can bring thylas into missions? i thought you couldn't seeing as boss arenas don't allow them bc they are climbers (except aberration Rockwell where you can't even tame or download them lmao)

[lament raft]

it's still one of those missions where you're meant to bring a team to beat beta or alpha

[brazen sparrow]

I could, but tbf it's on a cluster where we have stuff like cave flying and and flyer levelling enabled so idk it may be a setting perhaps

[rain dock]

Yeah, usually you can

[arctic bison]

i never really tried seeing as i thought the teleport conditions were basically the same as the boss arenas, also barely use thylas at all

[fallow sapphire]

a part of me wants to be offended by that, but then i realized i also barely use them lol

[lyric tendon]

the micro summoners (technically called Macrophages when you kill them) is in the Meat Biome as well

[low briar]

ok

[fallow sapphire]

No they were referring to the macro-summoner, the boss at the end of CYOA

[mental basin]

Most of the Missions in Gen2 are of

Dubious canonicity

And I'm hesitant to dub any of them canon or noncanon

What we do know though, is that they help sever Rockwell's access from certain parts of the Ship

I just hope we get more in ASA

Or, at least, give them more replayability besides being forced to do them again for their buffs

[low briar]

They're in a lore map
It's canon

[fallow sapphire]

Missions like Code Red and Star Dolphin I did rather enjoy as “story missions”. What I really want though is story missions that physically break Rockwell’s ties to the ship, like stopping him from entering the eden ring

[mental basin]

Not understanding my statement, but regardless.

[low briar]

Is on lore map
Is canon
All missions are needed to access boss, leading to canon ending of the Ark1 Genesis arc
What else is there to it?

[tough crag]

@dense ice sorry for the ping but will your explorer note mod be available for asa and will it be free?

[dense ice]

Yeeees

[tough crag]

Thanks 😊

[mental basin]

Still missing the point.

A lot of the stuff in the Missions is if dubious canon.

Such as, for example, Survive The ARK.

Where, conveniently, the Mission represents EACH ARK we visited, IN ORDER, including Sanctuary (Earth) in its pre-Reseed state, which the Gen-Ship crew would know nothing about.

Also the MEK riding the Stryder, when the MEK was created by Santiago on Earth, far away from Genesis- something nobody aboard would have knowledge of?

I'll repeat it, but clearly this time. There are inconsistencies within the Missions themselves which make me hesitant to declare them 100% canon and accurate.

[low briar]

Lore map
Lore canon 🙃

[mental basin]

The idea of Missions is canon, yeah. We go into the Sim to take control back from Edmund, and we clear out ornery Creatures on the Ship for a safer environment. But no. Not all of these could be accurate.

Or you could repeat what you've said, and ignore ever point I just made. 💀

You're fun at parties.

@bold dove, whats your take?

[low briar]

Might be shocked to know, I generally don't go to them. Social anxiety is a hell of a drug

If it's a simulated environment, why is it so important to have continuity for creatures/Meks, ect? The Survivor actually experiencing them has presumably seen all these creatures before, maybe Rockwell or some part of the Genesis could be pulling that data from the Survivor's mind to represent the challenge actually faced? Because fighting a Mek riding a Stryder is a lot more interesting than literally hacking and retaking over Genesis + lifesupport systems

I mean, we as players know they were added for gameplay and awesome factor

But that doesn't automatically write them out as canon/lore

[low briar]

Heck, if my programming classes involved getting uploaded into a simulation to beat virtual dinosaurs to get my code to work - I probably would have been a lot more interested 😂

[carmine cedar]

Missions are canon

Things inside missions are canon

If they exist the ship knows about them

The database has it logged

[carmine cedar]

How do you know if there's a communication method we don't know abt...perhaps the ship can somehow interface with Homo Deus...

We have to take what is given then build on it...not pick and choose what we want

[bold dove]

Missions are canon. But personally it's really fucking weird to go back into the simulation, and I think it's just a copout cause they where limited with time to make environments set 'inside' the ship itself.
I also doubt there's actually fucking mission terminals to start, I think more in-universe we take matters into our own hands then using terminals.
We also see at the end of Gen1 that Rockwell has the ability to corrupt people through the simulation. So why would we go back to possibly compromise ourselves?

[low briar]

Rule of Cool 😎

[bold dove]

Rule of 'compromising the fuck out of shit cause we only have a year or less to develop a dlc that's basically a standalone game'

[mental basin]

You're also misunderstanding. I'm not disputing Missions, I'm disputing some of the content within.

[bold dove]

I only read the message you tagged me in, so yeah I am a bit lost.

[mental basin]

Maybe read the rest of it. 💀

[bold dove]

Too many people talking, just woke up.
Can you give me a tl;dr?

[unreal owl]

lore

[mental basin]

Some content like MEKs and STA are impossible.

As the Crew wouldn't have known about Meks, or Earth, etc.

[bold dove]

Oh, yeah. I do think some of those where added on for either fun or cause they didn't have time/funding to make whole new models.

[torpid urchin]

Here’s my lore nerd take - Technically all the community arks are “real” canon arks. Helena and the note crew just never visited

[red burrow]

friki

[lofty scaffold]

Wasn't there a few arks we never saw Ie the one after se

[torpid urchin]

Exactly. What are all those arks we never visited but saw in the ascension cutscenes? Community arks certainly have strong reason to be some of them

[lofty scaffold]

Because you weren't supposed to go to abb. Abb literally drags you to it you were supposed to go to a different ark entirely

[bold dove]

With Wildcard themselves stating they're flat out non-canon, I wouldn't even go that far.

[torpid urchin]

Not being part of the official story and not being canon is a grey area to me 🤷‍♂️. Lot of ark lore isn’t told directly in the written plot

[bold dove]

Well, you can take it as that. But I believe that's flatout false.
If a writer/dev state something isn't canon, it isn't canon in any form until they say so.

[torpid urchin]

Even if it conflicts with existing gameplay?

[bold dove]

Sadly, the writers/dev word is more final then the consumers.
If someone wrote a fanfic for Harry Potter that had a better plot then anything J.K has published in decades, and it gained a following. It still isn't canon until J.K states it is or isn't.

[torpid urchin]

Even if JK added it as an addition to her books?

That’s the analogy here - these community maps are official maps

[bold dove]

It can be an official product, doesn't mean it's an official canon.
This is more then ever more apparent with Japan with animes.
Manga's and animes separate their canons all the time, as animes are usually made by studios wanting to cash in to the IP and make more products that the manga writer never wanted/wrote. (basically every anime that gets a movie. As situations like Dragon Ball will pump out a fuck load of movies that aren't even canon to the manga or anime. But they're official products.)

Could a few of the custom-maps fit into the lore?
Defiantly, especially ones like Rag.
But as it stands currently, they're just official products that have no plot and aren't connected to Wildcard's story.

[low briar]

Aren't there Crystal Wyverns in STA? 🤔

[torpid urchin]

I apologize - does canon imply it has to be in WC’s story? Or that it’s within the canon ark universe?

[open wolf]

I think that this is more in line with Star Wars Canon vs Legends. You can have anything in your own personal Canon aka Legends, but it's not official canon unless WC says so.

[bold dove]

Canon, by definition. Is the established plot/worldbuilding the writer/dev intended or allows.
So basically in this sense Wildcard's story. Which 'is' the ARK universe, since they own the IP and the rights to say what is canon or not.

[stray storm]

I think the question of whether they’re canon could be definitely answered if we know how many different types of arks there are. because if there are only island, scorched, and whatever ab was before arks? because if so, then all the non canon arks literally cannot be canon

[bold dove]

Basically.
Some of the custom maps can fit the plot, but they aren't officially canon. Making it a headcanon.

[bold dove]

Well, as stated above this kind of all flies out of the door when Wildcard has stated now twice that they're non-canon maps.

[torpid urchin]

Ok but let’s say it’s Rogue one - that’s now official star wars lore afaik because they made the movie and tied it to the main story. Is it not the same in this case?

[stray storm]

yeah I suppose, but I’d rather have a more definitive answer like that which completely executed the possibility of it being canon with an in-universe reason

that feels more fair

[bold dove]

That's canon cause Disney made it canon and allowed it.
Wildcard currently isn't allowing the custom-maps to be canon. And so they're not canon.

[open wolf]

One of my favorite books as a teen was the Thrawn series, which started out as Canon, but then relegated to Non-Canon Legends and then back to Canon. So it is Only Canon if WC says so and can change if they deem it.

[torpid urchin]

But they are? They chose to show a bajillion arks orbiting earth, some of which could easily be community arks

[open wolf]

Yes they CAN be it doesn't mean that any created by the community ARE.

[torpid urchin]

When did they last “de canon” the community arks?

[bold dove]

Helena stated that she saw multiple versions of the exact same ARK she was on. Meaning multiple Islands are canon.
Again, it's Wildcards word against yours.

[bold dove]

Like three CC's ago I believe.
Before that it was the first ASA CC.

[torpid urchin]

Alright I’ll poke around there to see if I whiffed

[bold dove]

We can debate all we want. But the reality is that 'canon' is whatever the owner of the IP wants it to be.
You can rationalize headcanons all you want, but they're headcanons by the end of the day.
What is canon is whoever/whatever that owns the IP or writer says what is canon. That's what canon means.

[torpid urchin]

That seems like it opens the door for a writer to simply slap “not canon” on a contradiction instead of use smart writing or world building

[bold dove]

Again, as example. Most of the One Piece movies are official products, but they aren't canon.
Why? Cause the original manga writer says so.

[open wolf]

That is nothing new in writing unfortunately.

[bold dove]

Welcome to the world of shitty writers.

[bold dove]

J.K Rowling is a great example of this actually, as she herself has went out of her way to retcon her previous works. Making some of her older content non-canon anymore.

[torpid urchin]

Which…is a wild thing to even perceive

Sounds to me like a splitting of canon since a single one fails to contain two conflicting sets of events

[bold dove]

I know.
Welcome to the world of writing.

[open wolf]

Hell, look at Star Trek, they continually retcon their own stuff as new stuff comes out.

[bold dove]

Ah, you see that's where there's separate canons.
With something like the live action One Piece, it isn't canon to the original plot. But it 'is' canon as its own universe, as it changed a few things.
These are two seperate canons that coexist, versus something like the movies that just flat out don't exist in any canon.

[torpid urchin]

Ok. So community maps can exist in the canon universe even if removed from the “original plot”

[bold dove]

They can be their own canon, yes.
That's 'if' Wildcard says so, cause until then it's a headcanon.
Headcanon's are personal made up canons. But aren't official canons of course.

[torpid urchin]

Hold on. So if WC released ark and said nothing about what was or was not canon. Nothing would be canon?

Since it sounds like confirmation is required to establish a canon

[bold dove]

Basically, as there's no established story to be had. Making nothing canon.

[torpid urchin]

So the associated notes, gameplay, etc has no significance…that’s fascinating

[bold dove]

Oh no, I had to reread. Thought you meant if they just never did anything with the plot. Like if all the maps where just jambled up and made no sense.

[bold dove]

So the fact that there's lore connections via notes would make them a connected story, but what's canon would be questionable.
If Wildcard out of nowhere stated Aberration was no longer canon. As much as that'd fuck up the lore, it isn't canon anymore.

Canon just means what is definitive, and people flock to it as it's just easier to go with what the established canon/story is.

[open wolf]

Canon, non-canon, it's all just made up anyways. Just enjoy it how you want to enjoy it.

[bold dove]

With that perspective. Writing is just made up also. (which objectively, it is.)
Canonicity helps with establishing a steady, good flow of a story. As if the word didn't exist, every shitty fanfic would be technically part of the story.
Just like any tool though, it can/has been abused.

[open wolf]

And just for reference, from previous statements. This is from CC 368 on June 30th. Generally, we will keep the canonical maps released in the same order.
We may make some adjustments with some of the non-cannon maps and release them sooner, but that honestly depends more on our pipeline, so we’ll announce them accordingly.

This makes community maps Non-canon

[bold dove]

Thank you for sending it.

[low briar]

Uh, that says non-cannon. Means no cannons allowed

[brazen sparrow]

[brazen sparrow]

"He's outta line, but he's right."

[lyric tendon]

it's been "non-canon" even before the CC confirmation

in SP selection they are literally called

Non-Story ARKS

literally, NOT part of the story

its like forcing someone elses's story that isnt related to ARK's canon just because Tamriel is on an ARK

or making the GPortal Cave a part of the canon lmao

if you really want full stretch, try making (Old) ARK Mobile and ATLAS canon just because they have ARK stuff on it

[brazen sparrow]

Jesus christ

Chill, it's a video game

Not life or death

[low briar]

Stones of Power Ark canon confirmed 👍

[lyric tendon]

i like me some theory crafting but i wish i played ARK very early on

[strong moat]

[tough crag]

Absolutely beautiful. go on take a look. it's finally begun the arks are coming home.each one carries the seeds of new life.
Plants animals and in time these seeds shall root across the far corners of the globe.once the do all that life will be unleashed.from there it will grow spread and thrive and this planet our home will bloom once more.as for the rest of the infection the arks can take it from here. In time they'll purge every last bit of element out of the soil. But make no mistake this is all thanks to you I'm just glad I got to see it -Helena homodeus

[low briar]

Oh look, the sun's rising again. Somehow the Earth started rotating again and the change in rotational velocity didn't yeet every creature into the exosphere

[tough crag]

🤣

[sick canyon]

[boreal marten]

Did the king titan punch the earth once and it stopped the rotation or did he do like a multi combo?

[full sundial]

Defo multi combo

[iron viper]

HLNA

[bold dove]

The fly

Space magic

Element is basically space magic, soooooo.

Well yeah, but those're a whole other story since they have nothing to do with Element, and somehow are natural to space.

Astro creatures are native to space. Making them the first full blooded aliens to be tamable in ARK.

Nope

The ARK's made them, but the ARK's where human creations. Making them not extraterrestrials.

If we're going to clasify them as aliens, then wyverns would be aliens too since they where made the same way.

It was a shitpost most likely

Fun map

It's actually shit for pvp. (if we're talking balanced)

[low briar]

Magic space rooooooock!

[brazen sparrow]

🤣

Since I can't emoji react because some petty asswipe reported me for... something, idk what the fuck I did wrong lmao I ain't said shit lately

Not gonna stop me from laughing at some funny shit I tell you that 😤

[compact fulcrum]

So I’m going over lore for ASA, I’m stuck over what HLNA meant when she said “she knew” at the end of gen 2

[lament raft]

that Rockwell was afraid

[open wolf]

Element is most likely an alloy made of a stable element like Carbon mixed with a superheavy element like Livermorium, creating a semi-stable usable compound.

[bold dove]

It's able to do stuff far out of our reality. It's space magic.
It can self replicate if I recall right without a source.

[open wolf]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"

[bold dove]

Yep.
My point stands. It's space magic.

[open wolf]

I can't argue with that logic, but I'll keep my head cannon.

[bold dove]

Canon*

[open wolf]

That too.

[bronze turtle]

When rockwell said " its so bright "he says that because they see the light from " afterlife" ? the famous " light " do People see before the death ?

Ps : why rockwell going in the Heaven ?? And not in Hell ?? 😂 ( he see the light of heaven )

[lyric tendon]

Or just he is simply stated that the ship is about to blow up

[bronze turtle]

Yes

Rockwell was a sociopath even before his corruption and the guy cry in the end

[lament raft]

humans get emotional when we're about to die

[tough crag]

Helena I'm afraid -tentacle boi

[strange garnet]

Any of you seen king Titan vs monster zero animated by slick

[split cloak]

Anyone know how tek dinos fit into the lore?

[lyric tendon]

none, it's just there for the Ext reveal event

[fallow sapphire]

I would say their presence in the Simulation is canon, seeing as there is an entire biome that has little more then tek creatures

[west kernel]

Why wouldnt they fit, i mean in a place where you can craft a Mek, why wouldnt some1 before craft tek dinos which idk, scaped and became part of nature.

[open wolf]

They likely came about after Helena Ascended and started playing around with the programing to get Survivors to respawn. I don't know that, but it's what I'm guessing.

[fallow sapphire]

I do agree on the Legacy maps that tek dinos aren’t canon, atleast till Extinction

But yeah there is a point where you have to differentiate what they chose to do for gameplay vs lore

[bold dove]

He means the fucking nuclear bomb going off right in front of him.

[arctic bison]

well technically he died due to the fusion core becoming unstable and being fucking evaporated due to the following explosion /☝️🤓

[brazen sparrow]

They are also canon on Extinction, as that DLC released with them on the map by default

Contrary to what Mazzy The Gatekeeper says 😂

[arctic bison]

it is, but the cutscene says ''fusion core unstable'' after it blows up so i wanted to meme a little bit

we do a bit of tomfoolery

[south raft]

Why we talking about nukes

Imagine nukes were in the game bro

That would be crazy

[south raft]

fr

[lyric tendon]

"everything exists is canon despite what the notes and devs stated" Bruising (probably) /s

[dry torrent]

I am spoopy bob

[placid lake]

That doesn’t mean you’re seeing anything in the afterlife. If I remember it may be a sudden over sensitivity of the light receptors in your mind, or it might be a mental aberration. Don’t quote me bc I can’t remember fs.

[placid lake]

They are

They’re called flare spam

[tough crag]

@raw tusk

[raw tusk]

tyty, message dodomail for that stuff tho incase i aint here

[tough crag]

Ok mb

[placid lake]

You craft a load of flares, and you spam fire them at one spot or over a small area on the ground

Or in t the same spot in the sky

Very nifty an little used tactic in pvp pvp bc it attracts all attention to we’re they were fired at and blinds the enemy

[tough crag]

Plant species z does that but better

[placid lake]

Yeah but what if you don’t have

Plus I’m currently on mobile so that’s why I don’t have

[tough crag]

Yeah that's not a strategy in actual ark

[empty minnow]

Nobody flares people lol

[bronze turtle]

When the survivor respawn, he have the same soul ?

[lament raft]

they have the same memories/brain patterns

[bold dove]

They have the same memories if that's what you're asking.

[rain dock]

Ark doesn't buy into the idea of soul or spirit really

[plain plover]

those are the words of someone who hasn't really read into the Homo Deus notes

The Implant is something connected to whatever makes someone up, be that a soul or something else, we do not understand it.

but for whatever reason, it allows us to be torn apart and put back together, and still be the same person

some people cannot be revived, because for whatever reason, that thing that makes them who they are was lost.

Consider this

The connundrum of the Homo Deus

It was a difficult decision to become one

it is a choice, to enter an afterlife where life is endless among the universe
or to live out the life you have now, and hope there is something better after it.

You can't really approach the concept of reviving someone from the dead as an active and important mechanic in a world, and not approach the idea of a soul. Unless you're doing a soma thing but that's different.

And when you look at what is written in the notes for the one who waits

yeah, ARK does do the whole soul thing

it'd be kind of weird for a game to be heavily biblically themed and not do that

ANIMUS FIBULAE

[bold dove]

Eh, not really.
Halo is another series that its lore is very biblically themed. And it doesn't have anything with souls and such.
Though Halo's whole trope with its writing was always basically "rewrite the Christian bible with sci-fi technology instead."

[dry torrent]

Man where my rex go???? Oh i know where it went...

[tough crag]

So your soul changes every time u ascend?

[plain plover]

Yep, that's the idea. The current accepted shorthand explanation of the Specimen implant by the wider community is "Soul Interface"

[placid lake]

What?! I’ve never seen anything biblical in it.

[plain plover]

I’ve always felt it was kind of there, but it seemed to be getting drowned out by specifics in the lore of every little thing that happens to every faction

[bold dove]

'Halo'

'The ARK'

'The Covenant'

'The Flood'

[placid lake]

Ehh

Maybe but a very far cry

[plain plover]

Yeah, if you really blur your vision of the specifics you can see it

[bold dove]

Yes

[bold dove]

A covenant is basically an agreement/contract.

[bold dove]

You have to blur your vision to see the connection between the fact that a alien virus literally called 'The Flood' nearly kills all life, and a god-like race to make the 'ARK' that's meant to preserve life and construct the Halo rings to wipe out all life?
And while not biblical, it's still in theme with the religious topic on the series that the corrupt leaders of a religious empire known as the 'Covenant' are hiding knowledge that'd break their whole religion just so they can stay in power.

[valid gale]

so are we just a random surviver?

who just happend to be the one with the stones to defeat everything and save the world

[bold dove]

More or less, yeah.

[bold dove]

Stones?

You mean the implants?

[valid gale]

sorry its a synomim for balls

[bold dove]

Ooooh

[valid gale]

its a turn of prhase they had the gutss

[bold dove]

Yeah, basically.
Guided by The One Who Waits, but we mostly did everything on our own.

[valid gale]

i know canonicly that the one who waits was always leading us

but pre update would that mean that we were just randomly spawning and jsut for what shits and giggles killing all that stuff

like maby once we get to SE we realise that killing the boss dose somthing but for the island at lest

i cant think how wed have known we were going to assend

[bold dove]

No, cause she was still guiding us via the terminal notes.

[valid gale]

oh riht thoes things

sorry its been a minuet

since i was on the island

[bold dove]

But as it stands, the old way of being guided is probably no longer canon. And it's now the intro/outro cutscenes that guide us.

[valid gale]

yes

i much perfer thoses

less headlesss chicken energy

[bold dove]

Well, we are a headless chicken 90% of the time. Since we are on our own once we wake back up.

But we're a headless chicken that at least knows our end goal.
Just the 'how' you get to said end goal is the headless part.

[valid gale]

we still getting that new map with ASA not at lanch but evenuatly?

[valid gale]

true

fornatly we have the old notes to show us what to do

[bold dove]

Correct, we're getting one new dlc. (with Snail games talking about a second one. But we'll see how far that goes.)

[valid gale]

chirst i second one

shoudlent they be focusing on just shipping what they have already promised

cant think where it would take place

[bold dove]

They are.
Hints why these are coming 'LATER'

[valid gale]

unless they slipped an ark in somehwere and chaned the order or did somthing on earth between extintion and gen 1

[valid gale]

ah right apologies

[bold dove]

I think a dlc set on ground-zero of where Element arrived would be interesting, as it could be the most corrupted area on Earth due to its age.

Any dlc is going to involve humans as we're playing it.

Why would it involve human npc? Every human on Earth is dead and the only humans left are survivors on the ARK's.

Also, they aren't against human npc's as we're going to see them via ARK-2.

(how in depth they will be is to be determined.)

Yeah, ground zero is what would be referred to the crash site.
But the dlc wouldn't be set 'when' the meteor crashed, as that wouldn't make any sense.
It'd be ground zero of the crash site set in (in ARK terms) modern times where Earth is dead, natural humans are extinct, and Corruption is at an all time high.

Yes, and it's able to self replicate.

'Self replicate'

No

Finish your sentance.

What does that have to do with Element?

Wouldn't matter, as again. It'd be the oldest source of Element, making the area a Corruption hellscape.
And why can't the map itself be large? What's stopping them from making a large map that has a Corruption hellscape in the middle of the map?

Sure.

Same thing in Extinction.
The suns death beam.

Extinction doesn't have normal world borders.
It allows you to go off of the map, at the cost of being burnt alive.

The Earth's rotation stopped and so the sun is cooking one half of Earth, and the other half is frozen over.

You may wanna read up on Extinction's lore, cause exploring more on the alien virus that killed all life on Earth would be much more interesting then dinosaurs that're kind of shoehorned into the lore and still make no sense.

Not outside of Proto-ARK's.

It's been like this for years.

Difference is, the Kharaa virus can be cured.

Also is literally just a space virus, while Element is 'everything'

Someone never played Subnautica.

And it infects you in the game.

Cause the planet was cured.
Have you never beaten the first game?

That's not how the cure works.
It stated otherwise in the ending of the first game with the enzymes.

Bro, game development leftovers mean shit with lore.
What they say upfront is what's canon. For all we know that could be a left over of an earlier draft of the plot that never made it in, and so it was a leftover.

Cause 'human x dinosaur companion ship worked the best'
(even if it isn't integrated into human behavior with evolution, and we're forgetting the evolution bondage between humans x canines)

ARK Park was made by Snail Games, so most likely isn't canon.

Humans

They where made it seems like for the Genesis simulation at first, so that makes ARK Park defiantly non-canon.

[fallow sapphire]

I mean, ARK Park is canon as a dream

But otherwise I fully agree

[bold dove]

In dreams, anything is true.
But reality does come knocking.

Too bad

[fallow sapphire]

For Skye, it was the ground that came first lol

[bold dove]

Overseer weren't a thing at that point I believe.

It was still mostly humans doing construction and testing.

Specifically?
We don't know, and that isn't important at all.
Faction wise? If I'm correct about the fact they where originall for the Genesis simulation, that'd means the Terran Federation made them.

Genesis-1

The ARK's

They did mention the first official ARK going into space was called 'The Farm'
But this'd just be a lesser, even more boring version of The Island.

[fallow sapphire]

I would say the Fed’s made them, seeing as the farm was initially for the colony ship

[bold dove]

Cause it grew out of that selling point.

Eh, from what I've seen personally. The selling point for newer players it seems like is the fact it's a survival game with taming and bosses, and probably one of the best world buildings for a survival game.
The taming just so happens to be dinosaurs. As it seems like newer players are more interested in more unique designs like the Shadowmanes or Maewings.

What's inaccurate about a fictional animal?

[stiff loom]

What do you mean by biological innacuracy?

[bold dove]

And?
It's a genetically created animal. Who cares?

Not entirely, as we see the scales on it are more hardened then normal fishes.

[stiff loom]

Ark is a game where you are in a floating satellite in space because a resource took over the earth and a fish lion is innacurate?

[bold dove]

You're also forgetting it's made by a mad man, I.E Rockwell.

If we're being this picky, then Wyverns shouldn't be able to fly without wings 3x bigger.

That's the fucking point

The whole area of Rockwell's Garden is a playground for Rockwell to fuck around with.
He's going to make abominations.

[stiff loom]

So does a purple mind whiping creature

[bold dove]

Rockwell would realistically be in constant agony with a giant ass hole leading to his innards that're all soft and are exposed to air.

Dinosaurs in ARK wouldn't realistically be able to get to the size they are without the oxygen on the ARK's being MUUCH higher then what Earth ever had, and that'd also would effect humans.

[stiff loom]

Most things in ark are biologically wrong. There is a swamp, a snow region, a volcano, and a beach on one lil island

And that’s just one map

[bold dove]

The fact literal titans are formed out of the polluted Corrupted air wouldn't realistically be able to happen.

That 100% has to do with biology.

[stiff loom]

Diosaurs spawning in… with no parents…

[bold dove]

Correct, the whole point of the ARK IP is that an alien virus that can become 'anything' can rewrite the laws of the universe.
Nothing is suppose to make sense biologically.

C'mon, you have a fucking human that injects himself with it that becomes 10x larger and grows new limbs out of nowhere.
At no point does it mention that Rockwell ate anyone during his rampage, meaning he grew more mass out of thin air.

[low briar]

Magic space rock! thats also kind of alive somehow

[bold dove]

You're changing the subject.

Also, the fact the ARK's are semi-alive and are biomechanical also breaks some of biology.

To the extent the ARK's are is 100% fiction.

Again, depending on how Rockwell made it.
It isn't literally just mashing two animals together, it'd be picking and choosing specific properties from each animal.
The fact lions have skin that can naturally moist itself like most skins on mammals could easily be the property that allows the scales to stay hydrated.
We also see them only near rivers and in damp environments.

You don't need to be an amphibian to moisturize your skin.

Humans, lions, cats, most mammals.
The blood cells help keep the skins moist, but not a constant wet. Just enough for it to not crack or be painful.
Amphibians aren't just moist, they literally sneeze out of their whole body a membrane of mucus.
There's a difference between a moist skin, and being covered in mucus.

"Your skin's outer layer, the epidermis, is covered with a fine film of water and lipids. This film keeps skin feeling smooth or moisturised. Without the right balance of moisture, your skin is not itself. Protection – Skin can only perform its task as the body's protective barrier if it has sufficient moisture."

Not at all.
Does skin look physically wet?

Fuck, does scales on reptiles look physically wet?

Fish that have scales.
Again, you keep ignoring the fact I say 'they have specific properties'

Rockwell could've made them that instead of their cells moisterizing their skin, they're now moisterizing their scales.

Then I have nothing else to say.

[timid matrix]

A man corrupted by an element which is basically the embodiement of chaos, that is basically fusing with a gigantic interstellar craft and rooting itself in the very system of this craft. This guy literally made one with a ship, his flesh is everywhere and he has hundreds of eyeballs, mouths and manages to create new life forms that act like an immune system. But you're worried about a fish lion created by this abomination called Edmund Rockwell?

[bold dove]

What'd you mean?

[timid matrix]

lmfao

lol

[bold dove]

That's what I'm saying. 💀
There's more problematic issues then a fucking fish x lion.

No animal without a huge amount of oxygen should be able to get to the size of something like a giga, titanosaur, or in Extinction's case a literal fucking bootleg Godzilla, without a good source of oxygen.
I know you said you've never been on Extinction, so let me just say this.
'There's no fucking oceans on Earth anymore, and most trees are dead/decaying on the map. How the fuck does a Godzilla sized creature get enough oxygen to survive?'

The answer?
Element!

The King-Titan is the size of Godzilla, and he's bipedal. Making him the biggest middle finger to the sqaure cube law.

How?

[timid matrix]

King-Titan is so damn huge, you're not ever taller than one of its scales lmao

[bold dove]

Okay, but would his thighs be stable enough to handle gamer posture? Which he has.

[timid matrix]

Element being basically the main antagonist of ARK is somehow funny

[bold dove]

Eh, I'd say Corruption personally.
Element isn't evil nor good, it just exists and that's based.
Whatever process makes it go rampant though is unbased, and it make Corruption which 'IS' bad.

[timid matrix]

Kerbal Space Program

its a game

[bold dove]

Also, square cube law wise he's fine.
But again, oxygen is the biggest issue where the planet basically has a very limited supply of.

He roars during the fight that causes literal ripples in the air, so I'd say 'pretty big'
Also you can hear his loud ass breath like a gamer.

No, he has a weird ass nose though.

Imagine a pug face, but the nose is above the eyes.

That's the King Titan

Fuck, the existence of Element is the biggest talk about cause anything that shit can do is bonkers as all fuck.

[timid matrix]

technically yes. But I think I've seen somewhere that element is somewhat sentient? For some reasons it creates corruption that literally tries to annihilate every living beings

[timid matrix]

From plasma guns and flying sails to annihilate and make a whole planet unhabitable

[bold dove]

Okay, but again.
No oceans which means no algae, and most trees on the map are dead and the map of Extinction is the only place on the planet (that we know of) that can supply life since it's surrounded by a protective invisible barrier.

[bold dove]

It's sentient, yes. But sentient doesn't mean it's smart.
Though 'Corruption' is flat out sapient, as the King Titan is the physical manifestation of it.

[timid matrix]

I think that it has vessels to help itself achieve what it wants. It was the King Titan that controlled basically every other corrupted creatures. But after that it used Rockwell as a new vessel (idk how to put the wording)

[bold dove]

It all depends also 'how' Corruption is formed.
If it's formed from Element entering a mature like state, then yeah both Element and Corruption are bad.
But if Corruption was formed via Element adapting to human warfare, then that'd just mean Element is the most adaptive substance in the universe. Meaning it could be harnessed peacefully in a more peaceful civilization if it just adapts.

[timid matrix]

In order to spread itself (the corruption) across the universe

[bold dove]

It'd be the pillar stone of the Hivemind.

[timid matrix]

yeah

[bold dove]

Yeah, without the issues of it being a godlike being. So we're somewhat safe.

[shut pike]

why did extinction stay day

[bold dove]

[timid matrix]

Haven't they said that they were going to add a new Canon map to ASA? (idk if this information is true) Imagine a post extinction earth !

[bold dove]

They did, and it's confirmed that it's a new 'canon' DLC.

[timid matrix]

cool

[timid matrix]

titan titan something, element element something, corruption corruption something

[timid matrix]

I wonder what it would be... Couldn't be an ARK cuz we already left those, could be something after extinction?

Nuh huh

NO

[bold dove]

It depends if the timeline of release matters.
If it does, then it'd actually would be an ARK as the release is set to be sometime before Aberration.
If it doesn't, then.....it can literally be anything.

[timid matrix]

OH An aberration BEFORE the tek bomb

[bold dove]

That wouldn't be possible.

Those maps are non-canon

Pre nuked you mean?

[timid matrix]

(embed fail)

[bold dove]

Also, we already know what it looks like with a height map.

[timid matrix]

why so

[bold dove]

It's basically another island.
Not 'the' Island, just another island.

[timid matrix]

mhhh

Maybe the ARK 2 world 😏

(it won't be ik)

[bold dove]

Cause the notes are set like decades to centuries ago.
It'd be a prequel map to any other map set with a character not from the main story, and that can't respawn.

[timid matrix]

ah right

erhm its a moon ☝️🤓

[bold dove]

Cause it's the setting for ARK-2?

Yeah, it's called 'us'

[timid matrix]

I'm 100% sure that the orcs in the ARK 2 trailer are the natives of this world

no...

[bold dove]

They confirmed they are.

[timid matrix]

wohoo i was right

evolutive convergence

[bold dove]

Seeing how the planet is naturally forest-like. Not too far off to imagine another species to have the big brain idea to 'swing on trees, trees are safe'

[timid matrix]

not necesseraly

and aren't the astrodelphis aliens too?

[bold dove]

We have no reference of alien planets as we're the only world with life that we know. So we can't say what would work or can't.
As alien another planet would be, it could have a very similar evolutionary path Earth did to be able to handle life.

[bold dove]

They are.

Oh, another thing that makes no sense biologically.
The astro creatures are native to space and live in it.

[timid matrix]

Aren't they like element powered? Which could explain why they literally LIVE IN SPACE

[bold dove]

They eat Element, yes. But that's just part of their diet. They're omnivores if I recall.

[timid matrix]

could explain why they can live in space idk

Evolving with element could lead up with good results like that

[bold dove]

Also, besides their physical shape. The Aratai's look nothing like us, as they have more reptile like skin.

[timid matrix]

that's how they're called?

[bold dove]

Yeah, they're Aratai's on the planet Arat.
Original, I know.

[timid matrix]

oh

Its not a planet ☝️🤓 ||sorry||

[bold dove]

Sooooo, like I said. With the right RNG it's possible.

Very, very, unlikely though. But possible.

[timid matrix]

Technically the chances aren't 0

still not 0

[bold dove]

But also, the Genesis-ship was looking for a compatible planet for centuries.
'Compatible' I think is the keyword, as it might've been looking for a more Earth-like planet then a planet that can support life.

[timid matrix]

Yes, a planet that could support life could kill us, we'd essentially need a planet just like Earth, or very similar to Earth

[bold dove]

As this is the new home permanently for not just humans, but also many species.
They probably needed to find a planet very similar to Earth so it wouldn't be too devastating for the ecosystem to take in new life.

'Forced' evolution I think is a better term.

[timid matrix]

It would require the same organic molecules that we can digest, lipids, proteins, etc would need to be the same as on Earth cuz we have specific enzymes to digest them (I could be wrong)

yes

[bold dove]

So if we take into consideration the ship wasn't just looking for a planet with life, but a planet so Earth-like that it could easily integrate new species as it has almost the same ecosystem as Earth does. Isn't too far out to think the dominent species on the planet (intelligence wise) is very humanoid.

[timid matrix]

We could just walk out of a spaceship and die within a few hours

[bold dove]

Again, the ship could be looking for a planet basically just Earth 2.0.
That'd include gravity.

Possibly even the same star.

[timid matrix]

The type of star influences GREATLY life, so yes

[timid matrix]

We could technically survive by exposing ourselves for a very short amount of time and crossing your fingers that you'll just get very sick and not die (just to get immune to the thousands of bacterias in the air)

kinda

yes

why so

well you would get immune if you survive...

that's what I wanted to say yes

It would need lots of time of adaptation just to be able to roam freely outside

even more barriers to interstellar exploration 😭

way too dangerous

You're doing that on/for what?

oooo

what kind?

nice

😏

nice lol

[valid gale]

I honestly think he made it to see if he could

nice

ever gona end up on steam?

rockwell at the hight of his power as close to a god as one can get whats left but to try random stuff

i mean look at hte experimental giga that is the dam poster child of an all powerfull scienst with way way to much free time

[valid gale]

yep even nothing could be a massive problem people raised who were expossed to no containgens coudl experance an america pox like situaton when going to earth

think of all the stuff you were exposed to as a kid

that your now just casuly immune too

theyd have none of that unless exposed or if we seeded our habitats with the same pathogens

to quote a great man "life uh finds a way"

good luck

hope it turns out great

it only jsut oced to me in quoting jarasic park in a dinosawr games chat

if its good enought for you then its great

also rember to keep in mind that we are our harshest critics

in the event you lanch any kind of alpha beta any of that jazz it sounds like the kinda thing id enjoy playing

nice

if i may with out giving away to many trade secrets what engin are you using?

ah very nice

ive been meaning to give it a look as its on my bucket list to make somthing

not got to be great jsut something i can enjoy playing

could always take the bethesda aproch and let modders fix it post lanch :)

oh dam

well im glad there will be story / lore

that was one thing that made the forest such a better survivel game then theouther stuff realsed at the same time

you were surivivng for a resson beyond just survivng you know?

ah dam

might not be your cup of tea

ovisuly there is its far more popular sepual

possilby not exactly ark lore :)

do you play much ark?

same achluly it was intresting to look at the whole closing of public seves

when i think the only time i joined a server was when rag droped adn i was on it for like 10 seconds when i disideid the power point slideshow i was playing was just not worth being online

[tough crag]

Could you boys move it to dms please

[valid gale]

righty ho then good chap

[proud otter]

Hum... if we expose ourselves to small degrees of radiation we can develop a bit of resistance to it yes
Hummm... that's basically like tanning... on steroids...

problem is that on uv scorched planets thing isn't small lol... and there is probably a hard limit on inherent resistence a human can develop too somewhere that we don't know about

[timid matrix]

We were talking about the bacterias. On Earth we evolved with them, so obviously we're resistant to around 90% of them (the ones in the air and basically everywhere). If you walked out on an alien planet your body would have to fight agaisnt bacterias that has never seen before, they could be extremely deadly to us but the native species would be basically immune to them since they evolved to be resistant, just like us and 90% of bacterias on Earth. You would have to slowly become resistant to all of these alien bacterias in order to not die if they don't kill you within a few hours...

[proud otter]

On a more interesting idea... if we were to evolve for that instead... such possible hard limit would go up, and the people would start with a higher resistence overall if we were one of those adapted to that...
We then would need to start with something higher than our baseline radiation, but not so much higher that all of us die

Then going with natural selection, the ones that be born that be able to develop a better resistence to it would survive and the ones that don't die...
Overtime we would have more resistent beings, and we could keep slowly cranking the radiation up and seeing them slowly get selected...

Problem with doing something like that to humans is... that feels highly eugenical in nature (it kinda is, selecting among people for the best ones for something) just not biased towards a personal opinion on superiority, just the need for an environment... But people would still probably not want to cope with that, they probably wouldn't volunteer lol... and even if the starter ones did, the next generations probably wouldn't, and that's what matters lol
Like... this is probably a human feature, we like to work ways around things that natural selection would work on top
Like, they probably would eventually make clothings to protect from that, or sunscreen equivalent or something
Specially considering it is humans... and it would be a hella slow process, so even if you started with caveman-like people they would work around that at some point probably

Ig the best bet would be to genetically modify volunteers with that goal, that's an interestibg concept
There's a few kinds of radiosynthetic fungi that are not only almost immune to radiation but that also kinda feeds off of it
That would be a good inspiration

[timid matrix]

On the other hand, I'm pretty sure that the human body has a radiation limit that can be resisted to

[timid matrix]

You couldn't genetically modify volunteers since you can only do that to unborn living beings (before the first cell starts dividing).
Even though, It could become an ethical question, if humans evolved to survive on planets with different conditions than Earth, would they still be human?

[proud otter]

On a interesting note...
We also don't know ehat these bacteria could even do to us

Like, are they made of the same kinda of genetic material as us? Like it's genetic structure could not be DNA... there are alternatives

Could it metabolize our substances?
Could it's protein-analogs even work on us? How would they?

[timid matrix]

Yeah that too, its not even guaranteed that we could eat anything on another planet, if would require the exact same organic molecules (because we can only digest what we have ennzymes for)

[proud otter]

I meant to modify the germline cells of the volunteers such that the descemdants have these traits, that would be a lot easier yes

but you can also modify adult beings, like on gene therapy... is just a L O T more complicated than trying to do with just a few cells like on germline...
Orders of magnitude harder

[timid matrix]

Bacterias could do nothing to us because we would be too genetically different or they could be similar enough to be dangerous

[timid matrix]

oh yes, gene therapy is a cool thing that is still in development but does look promising for the near future

[timid matrix]

If we can't eat there, we'd have to bring Earth plants and animals, and oh boy this would completely f*uck with the ecosystem

[proud otter]

Ye, it's cool to think think of alternate biochemistry for doing what we do...

I think we probably couldn't digest and i have no idea how these alien substances could interact... it's so random and depending on what it is

perhaps even simple substances for them could act as if were poisonous to us if we were to be directly subject to them since our organisms don't know how to deal with them (like directly to bloodstream as with substances from bacteria)
...
Or just not be digested at all like you said if one tried to eat them

Ig we are all around the same spot here, since we don't have almost idea about (perhaps infinite) different alternate possibilities to the metabolical stuff we have and how it would interact with ours

[timid matrix]

Yeah, when it comes to space, possibilites are basically infinite

[proud otter]

That's prolly the safe and sane approach

[timid matrix]

We need so many stuff to keep ourselves alive, that a planet having like all of those stuff (proteins, vitamins, lipids, etc..) is like almost impossible, not 0, just very unlikely)

[proud otter]

That's the wise medicinal use for the good of all... gene doping and people trying to bio-hack themselves ala bio-punk is cooler imo lol...

[timid matrix]

lmao yes

Wouldn't the King-Titan breathing just act as a vaccum cleaner on a big radius around its mouth lol

[proud otter]

I wish i could do that but i don't think i know enough for this...
And the people who think they do probably don't know the full consequences if it were to work out (if it were to work out, they could just try, not do right and get nothing)

There are some diseases of genetic origin that are caused by a single gene (Like sickle cell disease), that could be solved by simply modifying that one gene on the whole organism (or at least the cells that use that gene on a practical sense per se, like on bone marrow cells on that case of sickle cell)

On that case gene therapy is promising (since is just single gene)... and arguably not unethical in any way

A bit harder other cases in which is caused by multiple genes...

When you hear gene therapy is just trying to treat genetic diseases on adults, by modifying them just to treat that one disease

[timid matrix]

Totally unrelated but I remember when on Scorched Earth, one of the obelisks just destroyed a whole city because the survivors were living without no issues lmao

Survivors : Having a good life
The Obelisk : No, I don't think you will

[proud otter]

Overseer has no chill lol

[timid matrix]

yes lol

lmfao

[proud otter]

You prolly would too if you could pull up jurassic park and make dragons out of nowhere 🙃
And where left with the task of "challenging people"

I know i would...

[proud otter]

Overseer did nothing wrong
🥺
👉👈

[proud otter]

I imagine what an interview woudl look like if you could ask the overseer

What about preserving earth life?
Well... dinos were technically earth life...

What about dragons and shit? I swear that doesn't existed back then
They are life too... and i used earth genetic material as base to make them, so they are earth life obviously

What about actual creatures at the time of the extinction of life on earth?
They were not challenging enough, so as you can clearly see, it conflicts with first task, but fear not, i used them to make other stuff

If being challenging is so important that it excludes so many creatures, what about the otter then?
We don't question that, we needed it sir

[proud otter]

Average conversation:

Person: How you feeling like Sir Overseer?

Overseer: Feel?
Stares at nothing thinking and philosophizing on the head about what it means to feel something and trying to remember was the last time it felt like feeling something, at least on a way a human would understand feeling as
(While Narvent - memory reboot plays on the background)

Person: Sir Overseer? We are still here, you good?

Overseer: Oh, it's complicated, i don't know was the last time that i actually felt something

Person: Ok mate?

You would make reverse Scorched earth 💀

[proud otter]

I would fill my ark with literally every single mythical creature ever, and make some of my own

Not even a single creature would be a normal creature
I would make everything infused with a ton of element and mutagenic, and able to cast equivalent of magic spells with element

And the survivors would have to learn how to use that "magic" in a way that doesn't kill/corrupt themselves, or die trying

If one became corrupted with element (probably would be a common ocurrence) i would set protective measures against it, and keep the corrupted humans as pokemon

Either a human resistent to element would arise from that, something like a ferox human edition, or a wizard, or it would become an absolute shit show filled with kaijus, monsters and demons

And I'm honestly all for that latter if the first doesn't happen

[proud otter]

The objective is to get someone that be able to survive on earth (Extinction) that is essentially that sorta thing right? (An element infused land filled with kaiju-like titans)

So i would make essentially that, it would probably the last challenge before going there

[placid lake]

Ima butt in and say there is a more developed live for than the one we see in the ark 2 trailer

And if there isn’t the aratians are more developed than they look

Why do I say that?

Bc at the end of gen two the pods are being shot at from the planet

And exploding and being bumped around

[raw badger]

Really planning a survival soulslike or something over here

[timid matrix]

Do you think that the ascentions cutscenes are going to be changed in ASA?

[fallow sapphire]

Drastically? Doubt it

They may try to make it more cinematic, or if they are slotting a new ark for the canon story map they may change an ascension to fit, but otherwise I don’t see a reason they would change much

[timid matrix]

Fair, I'm really excited to see these cutscenes made in UE5

[boreal comet]

I agree

[boreal comet]

I didn’t even think about that they’re gonna be amazing

[timid matrix]

They're already really cool in ASE, can't imagine in ASA

[boreal comet]

Might even have some solar rays on the side before the survivor makes that jump

[timid matrix]

(I hope they fixed the INSANE sun bloom lol, blinding light)

[boreal comet]

Omg yeah!!

Remember extinctions janky hand

Hand in UE5 after an alpha king titan fight gonna have of sweat on it for realism with light reflections too

[open wolf]

Look up CRISPR, still somewhat experimental in some aspects, but growing quickly.

[rigid grove]

Bring it back on lore thanks

[placid lake]

The ring’s pod launch pattern would have been made to launch them in such a way that there would be no crashing, so the very fact of them moving that way shows that the explosions were coming from the planet not the sky

[fallow sapphire]

The crashing was the ship’s debris

The rings were developed to launch the pods without hitting eachother yes, but it cant account for the debris from the ship potentially ramming into said pods

[brazen sparrow]

[placid lake]

Ehhh

The ring would be shading them from debris it’s so big

And I’m pretty sure you can see stuff shooting up from planet

[fallow sapphire]

And I’m positive you can see the debris going down to the surface… you can see the debris going past the ring during HLN-A’s speech, so the ring wouldn’t be blocking the pods

Is it possible the natives of Arat are more technologically advanced then we think? 100%, but seeing as there has been no indication of being that advanced, it is incredibly unlikely

[bold dove]

Same way probably survivors do.
Escape pods that have cloning machines.

[lament raft]

it... already will have aliens?

any lifeform native to the planet will be an alien

though technically humans and dinos would be the alien invaders on the planet

[bold dove]

Aratai's where there before the ship arrived.

We had this discussion yesterday why they look so humanoid.

Like.....in WoW lore the orcs are literally aliens, so same thing.

Aratai's would be animals.

Well yeah, if they're anything like humans then they're more in the middle of the food chain, and have more dangerous predators hunting them.

I doubt the two natives so far we've seen are the only ones. We'll probably get more.

[small nymph]

some lore fan would explain it to me in DM?

[low briar]

'IT'? Like the weird alien thingy that disguises as a clown?

[arctic bison]

you best be penny wise about what you wish to learn

[high condor]

is pennywise part of the lore

[rigid grove]

No

[high condor]

are you sure

[bronze turtle]

Can someone explain the lore real quick? Just pick up from the top

[valid gale]

how do we have people who died pre ark constrution and in some cases long before element in the arks?

edmund rockwell being my main though

[bold dove]

This is where they go a bit complete fantasy outside of Element.
In the ARK universe, everyone has a 'engramic matrix' that lasts long after dying.
This engramic matrix is able to basically recreate a persons memories 1:1 to whatever they where before dying.

[valid gale]

and thats limited to what they knew pre death?

and i assume this matrix can be stored digitaly?

[bold dove]

Correct, hints why people suddenly wake up on the ARK's.
It's why Helena ODs in the Animated Series, and just wakes up on The Island.

Last thing her matrix remembers is her dying from an overdose, and so that's the cloned Helena's latest memories outside of the ARK's.

[bold dove]

From what I can see, somehow it's physical. But that may be wrong.
It's a physical part of the brain from what it seems like.

[valid gale]

she died form an overdose dam

i didnet realise ark touched on drug use

[bold dove]

In the Animated Series canon at least.

[valid gale]

i dident think that exsited yet?

[bold dove]

(also we literally make fucking narcotics.)

[bold dove]

Dollie confirmed it's a seperate canon from the game.

[valid gale]

true i just feel liek there if a differnce between cooking up green stuff to knock out dinos and and a main chacter dying form an overdose

but hey its their cannon

[valid gale]

ah well that should be intresting

[bold dove]

Canon*

Cannons are weapons.

[valid gale]

ah thanks

oh they have differnt spellinig thanks i dident realise

wait so

[bold dove]

Yeah, it's literally a single 'n' difference that makes the word about either a story, or being a weapon.

[valid gale]

they can bring back anyones whos what skull they can find?

[bold dove]

More or less, yeah.

[valid gale]

from just any point in history?

so i guesss the number of murder mysterys have plumpeted

well at one point at least

havign people able to just come back after death is kind of daming for hte murderer

[bold dove]

From what we seen, kind of any point in Homo-Sapien history.
Earliest I believe we've seen is Egyptian.

[valid gale]

oh wow

just so ive got this right

homo deus are assneded humens which is done when a magical machine is used?

do we become a homo deus post king titan death or do we just get the skin?

[bold dove]

More or less, yeah.

[bold dove]

We just get a skin.
The device Helena used to become a Homo-Deus broke afterwords, and it was the last device on the planet to be able to do this.
As she stated "the gateway is closed"

[valid gale]

ah well few hundred thousdnet humens and a dead earths pluss a lot of arks work of tech

pluss id imagen that the oversears what start managing earth post landing

that or just die? because their job of keeping the arks running and gettig poeple who can kill the titans is done

[bold dove]

I believe they just cease to exist, since their job is done.

[valid gale]

ok good becuause if we did become a homo deus that would have raaised the question of how we got to genisis ship when helena coudlent

[valid gale]

but arnt they homo desus in them selves?

[bold dove]

Yeah, and they'd cease to exist. Leaving a hollow shell that is just the Overseer's body.

[valid gale]

so in the span of a few hours

what i imagen to me the vast majority of the homo desus populatio just died?

[bold dove]

They don't die persey, just cease to be in existence in our reality.

[valid gale]

right and i assume we could jsut spin them back up using their engramic matrix

do homo desus have an engramic matric

[bold dove]

Probably not

[valid gale]

huh really

i wounder why a humen would have one but a homo desus wouldent

unless its litterly carved into our skulls

and the fact that homo desus dont have skulls is the ressons

[fallow sapphire]

Depending on if its a physical thing or not, i would say Homo Deus do have them when they are first created… but the longer they are a Homo Deus, the more they lose themselves, until all the memories an engramic matrix would store are gone

[valid gale]

wait sorry homo desus dont keep their memorys of being humen?

[fallow sapphire]

As they age yes, like Spookwell said they become a hollow shell

[bold dove]

Yeah, downside of being a Homo-Deus (besides many other things) is alzheimer's.

[patent verge]

Can someone explain who Rockwell is and why/how he becomes the boss? Ive almost never read the lore but i do know Rockwell was this guy in ark and then he turned evil

[bold dove]

He went crazy for coco puffs and injected himself with Element.
Element mutated him, and now he's the Overseer of Aberration

[patent verge]

Oh thats no good

[bold dove]

Yeah.
Coco puffs are shit.

[patent verge]

So in conclusion elements dont give a good high?

[bold dove]

Well, actually it does.
It made him high for power, and high in a literal sense since he was able to grow tentacles to swing on the ceiling like a fucking spider.

Before he became stuck in a pool of Element, and now he's a octopus monster.

[patent verge]

Oh damn

Thx that explains a bit i never bought the dlcs for ase but this explains a bit about that boss fight

[bold dove]

Yeah, then we fight him two more fucking times afterwards.

[valid gale]

What are the outher negatives

Also for the memory loss thing is that a thing where every thing pre converting gets lost but they can form new memorys post converting

Or is just full dementia?

[bold dove]

-Being forced into your own pocket dimension (ceasing to exist in our reality)
-Never able to die
-Not only memory loss, but also insanity over time (hints why the ARK's are more aggressive then ever, like Scorched literally destroying a whole city.)

[bold dove]

You can't convert back to a human

Once you're a Homo-Deus, you're basically fucked.

[valid gale]

Sorry no what I meant was

[bold dove]

And you're a being of pure energy, so if you did somehow die. You'd just disappear without a corpse.

[valid gale]

If a homo deus went to say the beach after converting

Would they be able to rember that or would they forget it as well?

[bold dove]

They'll remember it for a few decades to centuries, as we see with Helena still remembering (she being the youngest Homo-Deus)
But you 'will' start to lose your touch on reality eventually.

Basically it's immortality at the cost of all of the horrible shit that comes from your body degrading.
Yeah, you can live for thousands of years. But you'll be a walking corpse.

[valid gale]

Why would anyone ever become one

Especially if you can just get spun back up into a new body grown to your phycisal prime

Even if you die then you can just respawn I know Helena had to enable that feture

But as far as humens trying to live forever I can’t think why they’d go with hono deus

Unless you needed completly dedicated computer programs that are are highly compex

[fallow sapphire]

Well for one, they probably didn’t know what the consequences were possibly at all before the ark’s were made, and even if they did, some people care more about being alive then feeling alive

[tough creek]

What difficulty for bosses is Canon?

[low briar]

Probably Alpha

[paper sierra]

why was rockwell so obsesses with power

[lament raft]

because typical mad scientist raisins

[bold dove]

Fear drives motivation. And his biggest fear was death.

[low briar]

I wonder if thats the norm for most people on the Ark's, or if they were just picked out of some random point along their memory timeline. Like if the actual Helena continues living, but Ark Helena has no memories past that point because she got Ark'd

Kinda my thought. Same with why there's dinos and such from so many different periods

Try it all and see what sticks

[lament raft]

also the lore reason why mythical animals were added

[bold dove]

It's less about that, and more about preserving life.

[wispy moat]

I always assumed the Overseers or ARKs themselves look through the collected data of every person thats ever existed and then selects specific ones, based on their skills, to "resurrect" and clone onto a specific ARK. Because the ARKs are meant to prepare the humans for their return to Earth, its possible some ARKs look for specific types people while others could be more random.

[bold dove]

Forgetting that all natural life on Earth is extinct?

I didn't say native, now did I?

'Natural'

[wispy moat]

The Overseers watch over the ARKs themselves, which leads me to believe they have access to the data and hardware in the ARK they oversee. They keep the ARKs working properly and probably also have influence on what happens in the ARKs.

[bold dove]

Non-artificial or tampered life.

Snow owls and Mana's are Element infused.

[lament raft]

the idea of the arks was to get a balance right for reseeding earth. that meant trying different biomes, creatures, and people

[wispy moat]

^ exactly!

[lament raft]

they tried hundreds, thousands, possibly millions of permutations over possibly thousands of years

[bold dove]

And their main objective is to preserve life.
Though their side objective is to see what life is best to fight off Corruption, but slowly over time this became more and more deadlier as the Overseers mentally decayed, and Corruption only got stronger.

[wispy moat]

The ARKs are also amazing in the sense that they can create something from nothing. With the Element, anything is possble. Thats why we also have Unicorns, Manticores, and Dragons on the ARKs.

[bold dove]

(unicorns are as of currently non-canon is I don't believe they have a dossier, nor are ever mentioned.)

[wispy moat]

Well, the manticore and Dragon still stand!

[bold dove]

Yep

[wispy moat]

in a way, I suppose

[bold dove]

But yeah, their main objective is to preserve life. But due to how degraded the ARK's are, even establishing a city is enough for the Overseer to decide you 'overqualified' to survive anymore.
As seen with the city of Nosti that has swarms of giant mantises thrown at it, then ripped open the ARK itself to throw wyverns at it, and when all else fails it just said 'fuck it' and sank the city into the desert.

[low briar]

Dragons, Lava Lizards, and Space Whales? Hell yeah brother, them canon!

Horse with a horn?
😂

[bold dove]

Unless you can find it anywhere in the notes, or a dev stating otherwise. Yeah, it isn't.

[low briar]

I know, you're right - it's just funny to me

[bold dove]

It's 100% the most tamed thing, and I would be happy if it was canon.
But until a form of confirmation, it's sadly just a joke creature.

[wispy moat]

I hope we get more lore on the ARKs themselves in the new DLC thats coming out whenever in the future. I want to know how the ARKs were made. They're almost definitely made with some form of purified and safe Element. I can't imagine ARKs even existing without it.

[bold dove]

The leopluerodon is a anomaly on the ARK's.
That thing is....something else.

I'm half convinced that they're eldritch horrors.

Get fucked

Get bamboozed.

[lament raft]

lolbots

[wispy moat]

get shmeckledorfed

[low briar]

Get Ark'd

[bronze turtle]

get rasputin'd

[valid gale]

whats wrong with it?

ive never tamed one or seen one

[thorn ore]

they for some reason look creepy af

[valid gale]

is that the thing that makes loot crates a lot better

[lament raft]

yes

if you tame it

[thorn ore]

well yes but actually no
they only have data of ppl that died in a way that their engrammatic matrix was preserved
and they can put them in a new body

[lament raft]

however thats supposed to work

it's like assassin's creed gene memory bs, it works because the setting says it works

[valid gale]

i woudner if ones engramic matrix can be reterived if the head is seperated from the body

death by giliteen

[grand ingot]

Hey, got a question, how tall is the alpha king titan?

Just curious

[lament raft]

guillotine

[plain plover]

Yes, the engramic matrix is unanimously agreed to be the worst thing added into the game's lore, it was part of Genesis 1 so we don't know who wrote it, and now we have to deal with it probably being a major part story.

[lament raft]

arguably it's been part of game lore since the island notes

since all the survivors were from different time periods

[sick canyon]

interestingly, lios are also magical but do have a dossier

[bold dove]

I'm gonna be honest, I think their existence is questionable.
While unicorns aren't directly canon, they're still logical in the ARK universe since they're literally just a horse with a horn.
Fuck, even the fact the dragon can breath fire is logical in the universe.
But the Lio is like, flat out magic. Like not even 'technology beyond our understanding' type of magic.
That shit is fucking Harry-Potter lookin ass type of magic.
If I could, I'd just replace the Lio with the unicorn with their canon existance.

[lament raft]

doesnt have to be magic

the Arks could spawn a Liop, and if tamed will alter the contents of supply crates for that specific survivor

[bold dove]

How do you explain it suddenly disappearing though?
Like yeah, teleportation exists. But it involves ripping apart your atoms and reputting them together in a new location, and that's visible. As we seen with the endings.
Those motherfuckers literally just vanish without a trace.

[lament raft]

simple, if it's damaged, the arks despawn it

[bold dove]

That's.....not how that works

[lament raft]

why couldnt it?

[bold dove]

When has anything canonincally 'despawned' after it's been placed on the ARK's?

[lament raft]

when it vanishes it swirls into a cloud of bubbles

as you said we've seen teleportation. no reason it couldnt be applied to sometbing spawned in

[bold dove]

Yeah, and if you read further I said 'without a trace'

[lament raft]

if you teleport you generally don't leave a trace behind

[bold dove]

Teleporting in the canonical cutscenes has huge amounts of traces to make it obvious something is teleporting.

[lament raft]

gdi i hate the screen keyboard

[bold dove]

They're not going to add us fucking being ripped apart every time we use a in-game item. 💀

That'd get old real fast.

[lament raft]

just saying it's plausible

the tech is there

the liops is just another challenge by the arks

[bold dove]

Not really with how it's handled.
Also, I need to reread the dossier, but it seems more like a shitpost.

BRO

The last name is literally "magicus"

Also, yeah. It's one big ass shitpost to Charlie the Unicorn.

[lament raft]

lol

[bold dove]

"The name and elements of the Dossier, such as 'The species on the island almost seem to be magical', Liopleurodon' will show you the way' and 'those who don't believe in the Liopleurodons qualities are shunned' are most likely references to the popular viral video 'Charlie the Unicorn', which features a magical Liopleurodon that guides the way."

[lament raft]

i need to rewatch CtU

[bold dove]

You can not convince me this fucking eldritch horror's abilities are canon. 💀

[lament raft]

not trying to, just saying that its not entirely out of the realm of possibility

[bold dove]

Yes it is.
I will not accept something being called 'magicus' to be within the realm of possibility.

[lament raft]

next unicorn i tame i'm naming Magicus

[wanton sigil]

Okay so I know supply drops comes from the overseer station way up in the sky and descends down for regular arks but is there a lore reason on why orbital supply drops are a thing in extinction? I've been wondering like who has been sending these supplies for us as I'm on my extinction playthrough. My only theory is that since homo deus Helena has some sort of control over the system, she must've created these OSD's from the arks somehow then sends them down for the survivors who ascended from aberration. I could be wrong because it's not really mentioned in any wiki's or lore threads.

[tough crag]

Helena homo deus ye

[echo elk]

I always felt that the OSDs were a holdover from the war between the URE and the Terran Federation and Helena just reactivated the systems.

[tough crag]

Yep that's exactly it

[echo elk]

It's possible that it was a system put into place after the two factions ended their war and began working on their separate projects since the drops on Gen 2 resemble the OSDs. Maybe the URE had them around to help resupply as they were working on getting the ARKs launched.

[timid matrix]

I’ve seen that it is in fact Homo Deus Helena that is sending them to you and the corruption doesn’t want you to get the supplies so that’s why you have to fight waves of corrupted creatures

[ember cedar]

is helena canonically lesbian

from the trailer i think yes?

[bold dove]

In the shows canon, yes.
But her sexuality in the games universe is never confirmed.

[ember cedar]

ok ty

[mental whale]

Only I know why this channel exists, and how it came to be. Only I know the lore of Lore Nerdz.

[plain plover]

We were there before the beginning and will be here after the end

[median moth]

Anyone know the timeline of ark

I know it’s stated that genesis is long after the of series but I’m still unsure of it

Also the timeline between launching the arks and the recede protocol activation

[plain plover]

Genesis happens 3 months after the end of Extinction

[south raft]

no way

[plain plover]

This was the direct word from the writer

well, actually, he suggest it could have been sooner

I guess direct isn't a good word to desribe it, but he did say that Genesis 2's notes take place at the same time as Gen 1's gameplay

and that if Gen 2's notes were taking place at the time Gen 1 happens, then Rockwell only got onto the ship recently

[wanton sigil]

Wait I'm so confused and not sure if I'm getting this right. Okay so both the arks and colony ships were launched at the same time. After extinction, Rockwell took all of the earth. I remember reading somewhere that the survivors on the arks are entirely different than the ones on the colony ship but we retain the memories from Ark earth? So in the end, we all ark survivors died on earth? Or did Helena uploaded everyone to the colony ship?

[plain plover]

Writer also said that Earth is still fine

so I guess she just uploaded the sruvivor who beat extinction (you) to Genesis

[dreamy cloud]

Okay so, in this universe there is a part of the brain that holds memory which can survive for thousands of years. Thats why we have ppl like Mei Yin and Rockwell with memory of their past live intact. The earth was in decline after a big element war which released unstable element. The federation made the genesis ship and the other programm I dont quite remember the name made the arks. Both these ships had clones who they used to populate the arks and the genesis simulation. The arks were waiting for element to disappear from the earth whilst the Genesis ship simply searched for a new one. If you have any questions do ask. I am sure I could answer it.

[lament raft]

it's conceivably possible without all the brain mumbo jumbo

a supercomputer advanced enough could conceivably calculate out what happened into the distant past and reconstruct someone's brainwaves, memories, and behavioral patterns

[wanton sigil]

Ohh I seee. I guess with that in mind and the with what @plain plover mentioned, I think its safe to say the earth had a good ending.

[dreamy cloud]

Eventually yes, altho I do wonder how they fixed the earth being tidally locked. Maybe they just lived on one half of the planet and said screw the other side😂

[wanton sigil]

Ohh wasn't the king titan the reason why the earth is locked? Even though I'm not sure how. After his defeat and in the end cutscene of extinction, Helena says "the sun is rising", I'd just assume the earth is back to spinning again.

[dreamy cloud]

I believe it was the element that locked the earth. How I dont know.

[wanton sigil]

Well, it could either be of those two but we'll just wait until someone who knows better can help clear it up xD

[timid matrix]

At the end of Extinction, Aberration's ARK crashes on Earth. I assume that It took time for Rockwell to beam himself into the Genesis ship afterward. It's when that he got control of it and of the simulation that HLN-A beams you into the ship to fight rockwell

[fallow sapphire]

The ark’s fixed the earth’s tidal lock, thus the “look at that, suns rising” line Helena says in the extinction ending

[dreamy cloud]

Oookay, thats explains. I thank u

[spiral peak]

Yeah and with the new Canon DLC coming I'm gonna guess it will take place after Extinction and the boss fight with Rockwell will conclude by him beaming himself up into the Genesis ship before we destroy his body that he has had since Abberation

[candid onyx]

man i would like to see some terran federation tek weapons similar to their sleek armor. The URE tek stuff looks to alien.

i wonder if such a thing exist in lore

[low briar]

Fed Tek is such a better design imo. Not pointlessly pointy in random spots or covered in rust

[spiral peak]

It would be us on Earth, on Extinction, and the reason we wouldn't know he got into the Genesis ship is it seems like we would have killed him. But unknowingly to us in Canon, he did in fact succeed but only barely.

It would just be where the Genesis Ship launched, so it would probably incorporate the same style Genesis 2's map gave us

[low briar]

Genesis launches well before the events of our Survivors

[spiral peak]

It makes the most logical sense to me because it can't be Pre-Extinction Timeline. And After Genesis we are on ARAT Prime (I believe that is what that planet is) which is Ark 2's map

[spiral peak]

Of course, but it would be the Genesis Launch site

Which Rockwell will have been able to upload himself onto the shit via the Launch site. It's the way he got onto the Genesis ship to begin with and is the only time in the story a Canon DLC can fit in without bending more of the lore which makes less sense to do go and do at this stage

The only way we could get a Canon map story Pre Extinction is if it was between Island and Scorched Earth and that would be an Ark station obviously and I think we won't canonically be on anymore Ark stations.

Unless of course not all the Ark did indeed return home. Which doesn't add up if Abberation was confirmed to crash land into Earth at the end of Extinction what would cause an Ark not to come home and abb did despite how terribley busted it was?

[arctic bison]

makes more sense than what someone wanted to be something between the end of gen 2 and before we arrive in Ark 2, just wanted to break the plot to have a ASA and Ark 2 crossover

or a Ark 2 DLC being on an ........ ark (the primarily primitive story would have to be very weird)

Because if they called it Arat: The New Beginning no one would know
Ark is a consolidated franchise already
Also, who knows? New dlcs might bring back the Arks
Maybe a cross between ASA and Ark 2

[spiral peak]

yeah I appreciate wanting to not let go of the Ark stations, it's by far a great aspect of the story it's just unfortunate that, it does not make any sense

They should just leave Arat Prime to be Ark 2's new map let it be the foundation of brand new lore and story and keep Ark 1's story content relating to the Events of the ark Stations, earth and the Genesis Ship

[fallow sapphire]

By adding the Colony Ship, they already delved away from the original story… Arat Prime is probably the best bet because of Genesis, cause rn the two story arcs feel very separated

[bold dove]

So wouldn't it be not too long after if he got on recently?
I don't imagine Rockwell twiddling his thumbs in the now destroyed Aberration ARK, waiting for the EMP blasts from the ARK's to possibly kill him.

If it also only took 1-10 survivors with 20-or so creatures to woop his ass on Aberration. I'd imagine he'd realize the threat of now a whole planet full of humans again with much, much more then just 20 creatures.

[spiral peak]

Genesis was always designed as a kinda break away side quest from the original true goal of Ark.
Both Island-> Extinction story and Genesis -> Arat Prime story feel so different and separate from each other only because there was a big part of the story never really covered via a Map. Extinction -> Genesis Time skip

[fallow sapphire]

Wait hold on

Before you continue, do you mean Arat?

Arat Prime is the launch site

Arat is the planet

[spiral peak]

I mean Ark 2's map, is arat prime Earth just renamed then?

[fallow sapphire]

Arat Prime was the location the Colony Ship launched from

Arat is the Ark 2 planet

[naive shoal]

Dang, the ark lore is so deep lol, (I am currently watching the 2 hour long video)

[spiral peak]

Errr what so you saying Arat and Arat prime are two separate things?

[fallow sapphire]

Yep

Thus the confusion

[spiral peak]

As far as I knew the Colony Ship Launched from Earth or extinction I guess that is called Arat Prime then

[fallow sapphire]

My point above was about the time skip between Extinction and Genesis, because you said Arat Prime lol

[spiral peak]

Oh yeah i totally get you now.

[fallow sapphire]

It launched from Earth yes, but the site itself (and where the superluminal link was) is Arat Prime

[spiral peak]

Yeah confusion that is on me my bad.

[fallow sapphire]

All good, it happens fairly often lol

[spiral peak]

Yeah kinda weird naming to specifi8cally call a Launch site on earth Arat Prime and then the planet we go to is called Arat. Because the Colony Ship wasn't heading to arat specifically, unless whatever planet they found that was suitable would then be called Arat no matter what anyway, i guess thats the lore

[spiral peak]

Anyone reading this conversation in hindsight, @fallow sapphire is correct that's my bad for misunderstanding the naming slightly lol

I would love to see a counterpart to Scorched Earth, I'd like to believe if Scorched existed so could a complete Ice/Snow map with deep dangerous subzero oceans alongside it. (Subnautica: Below Zero style) Would be a combination of everything they did so well with all the Snow Biomes of the past and then Oceans too. A super hard map to adapt and survive like Scorched was designed to be.

Not lore but IF they wanted to make a new Canon Ark Pre Extinction I would hope it's something like that. A prequel to SE or something like that I guess.

Unlikely to be the case at all it's most certainly the Launch Site of the Colony Ship on Earth, mixing in the style of the Colony Ship 'City' in Gen 2 into the design of the map probably paired with aberration as I'd like to think Abb crash landed very close to the launch site

[fallow sapphire]

It definitely does seem the more likely situation, but who knows?

[bold dove]

Probably during Extinction when all of the ARK's where coming back to Earth.
If the three pillars are suppose to help with landing, then missing one would make it go off course, making it crash.

Also, Rockwell did survive it so technically she's wrong.

[tough crag]

No it got destroyed when Diane Santiago and others brought a bomb to the overseer station

[bold dove]

That's not what they meant

I think they mean in Extinction's post-end scene.

[tough crag]

Oh yeah I'm dumb

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, she does mention something about its destruction in that epilogue.
That's very odd, as it was thought (and I believe intended by the original writer) that Aberration's destruction was via crashing.

...Unless it started to enter the atmosphere after we left?
But that wouldn't make any sense.

Sure, but Helena went out of her way to take Santiago and some other survivors to the control room of the ARK to make sure it doesn't self-destruct without an Overseer.
That....kind of defeats that whole purpose then.

[tough crag]

Yep nosti

[bold dove]

No....it was going to destroy itself cause it was a faulty ARK now.

Oh wait, you're right. I had to recheck.

"If this obelisk goes off, it could mean armageddon for every living thing here."
Okay, so this is the line I thought of.
I think what she means is that yeah, the Obelisks are only activating due to the gateway project. But due to how fucked the ARK is, if it did anything to the extreme the Scorched ARK did to Nosti, then it'd probably would tear apart the whole ARK itself.

'Mostly functional'
It literally had a whole ass pillar blown off, the surface is burning, and it's littered with Element that's now mutating creatures. 💀

Bro, that's basically broken as all fuck.

Yeah, but not to 'that' extent.

We have a whole ass biome filled with rivers of Element, and the part of the ARK Rockwell now hides in is a huge ass pond of Element.

The point is that no one is suppose to be able to access that type of Element. It isn't refined yet to a safe, usable material.
And now it's out on the ARK, causing radiation and shit.

[proud otter]

I'm all for it ngl

[thorn ore]

[dreamy cloud]

I think the tek tribe only mined the element ore, not the rivers.

[spiral peak]

It was however Mostly functional because it's main systems were still clearly still functioning even in just some capacity. It wasn't working as intended obviously and once Rockwell gained control over it himself it was still functioning to some degree. Of course that wouldn't of mattered because once it started to return to Earth because of it's structural failure with a ruined pillar it probably couldn't slow down enough and ended up just crash landing into the surface of Earth like a Plane that's engines failed, we know it impacted the planet beyond the speed it was supposed to because the surface is heavily destroyed from the end of the Extinction cinematic.

Which has me to assume probably a lot of the Ark itself that we know, the Aberration we know is mostly unrecognizable and just buried

But i think it would be really epic, if the next DLC is about the Launch site, we get to see some parts of Aberration still recognizable assuming the Aberration Ark crash landed near the Launch site. Like a cave system segment of the map like how Valg has. Would be a super fun call back

[woven frost]

Can somebody remind me what happened to abberation

[tough crag]

The original survivours brought an explosive to the overseer and then when it exploded it did significant damage to the ark

[woven frost]

Thanks

[stiff loom]

How did Rockwell get on the genesis ship?

[tough crag]

When the arks receded at the end of ext the aberation ark landed at arat prime which was the launch station for the genesis ship

[spiral peak]

Scary potato already said but, After the events of Extinction, after you kill the King Titan and let the Ark's return back to Earth, so did the Aberration Ark. At the end of Aberration you never truly kill Rockwell only wounded him.
So when the Aberration Ark crash landed onto the planet Rockwell obviously was still alive and survived the crash. He then found his way to the Launch site of the Colony ship (Genesis Ship) and uploaded himself onto the ship from Earth.

[stiff loom]

Alright, thanks.

Is that how HLN-A got on too? She uploaded herself?

[spiral peak]

Well HLN-A is is just a robot with the same characteristics and personality as helana herself, she's given to us for Genesis 1 so I would assume canonically she's not on any other map and we first meet her on Genesis 1 and Genesis 2

But Helena became something more than just a survivor but, yes I guess for simplifying it I guess she 'uploaded' herself onto the ship too

@stiff loom

[tough crag]

Nah Helena created hlna after ext to help the survivor escape the simulation to confront rockwell

[spiral peak]

I know. That's what I said

[stiff loom]

Didn’t we watch hlna being made by the homo daeus Helena? Like in a cutscene?

[spiral peak]

yeah I can't find the scene now but I'm pretty sure that's what the beginning of Gen 1 was which means she was technically there on the Ship

Unless Gen 1 started with us still on earth and she created HLNA there and set us both off to the ship but either way, it really doesn;t matter because it's the same thing lol

[stiff loom]

But in some explorer notes it had said that hlna had been there for awhile. Like 7 years or something? So how could we have seen her being made if she had already been on the ship to arat

[spiral peak]

I think probably because Helena made her to check what was going on with the Colony ship but Helana eventually got us to go there ourselves with HLNA as our guide to figure out the problem

[stiff loom]

Ok. That makes sense.

[spiral peak]

That or HLNA is just a form of Robot that existed as a companion helper on the ship and HLN-A is just the one named given the personality of Helana herself when we get sent to the ship to find out what was going on but I think the former is more likely

[stiff loom]

So is there any real evidence of what the new dlc is? I think it would be cool if we had a post-extinction pre-gen 1 or pre-tek nuke aberration

Or even a prologue to all of Ark. Like tek war type stuff

I gtg now but I’ll be back 👋

[spiral peak]

@stiff loom The devs haven't said anything to my knowledge, I was told there could be two Canon DLC's coming for ASA but I thought there would only be 1. I wanted clarification from @frigid latch but he never responded to me. The recent write ups about ASA words it like there could be one or more it's not specific with how many.
But my assumption is, or at least i think the more popular opinion of what the story will be, is a DLC set after Extinction but before Genesis 1&2 involving Rockwell making it off the destroyed Aberration Ark and to the Launch site to upload himself.

[solemn whale]

That makes a disturbing amount of sense

[spiral peak]

If there is two Canon DLC's I don't know what one of them could possibly be tbh, Only Two things I could think of is One Ark doesn't come home for some reason and we have to go and find out what is wrong with it, and the other option would be a Ark set between Island and Scorched Earth. Maybe a Snow & Ocean (Subnautica: Below Zero style) map to contrast with Scorched Earth. But as much as I would love a map like that made by Wildcard it's unlikely.

So 1 Canon DLC based between Extinction & Genesis 1 & 2 bridging the time gap makes complete sense to me. @stiff loom

[shadow zenith]

Probably the after extinction one is gonna be on arat prime trying to prevent rockwell from getting to the ship

[quaint marsh]

My theory is that the survivor on the ship is different from the survivor on the Island, Helena as a homo deus simply saw the danger on the ship and sent her little robot self in to help it. Or she was just curious

[fallow sapphire]

It’s really up to the player if it’s the same survivor or not

Though, similar to how on the ark’s there wasn’t one chosen survivor, basing off HLN-A’s interaction with Gabriel I would assume she assisted many survivors, not just our survivor

[glad dirge]

how would end game between genesis and extinction work, because all uses of element would be most definitely banned, do we just finish endgame at metal or...

[bold dove]

Why would it be banned?
Ever heard the term 'fight fire with fire?'

[honest sleet]

can someone explain the diamond on ur wrist lore u scratch it when u spawn i asked my friend at school and he said it would take him 5 mins just to explain that part

[bold dove]

They're called 'specimen implants' and they're both tracking devices for the Overseer, and universal translators. (and post respawn-protocol, allows the survivors to respawn)
You scratch at it cause it's a foreign object in your body.

[glad dirge]

because they just got rid of corruption, which was spawned from element, why would they just start creating more corruption, that'd be the definition of insanity