lore-nerdz

[bold dove]

Also, tame transfers are never stated outside of Extinction that they brought their tames from Ab. But I think it's technically unknown if the ARK allows this, or if it was cause of the gateway project.

[dawn stirrup]

Which is more fun in your opinion?

[bold dove]

Personally, what I do is start butt naked with my ascended character until I'm in the endgame of the map, then I transfer over my previous map stuff. But only use stuff that you can get naturally on the map.

[dawn stirrup]

Random question: If you were to give titles to the different ark maps, what would they be? Like: The Island, _______.

[low briar]

The Island 😂

[dawn stirrup]

._.

[low briar]

Not to be confused with Lost Island

[bold dove]

The ARK

[dawn stirrup]

What about Scorched?

[bold dove]

A-ARK

Aberration is 'Another-ARK'

[dawn stirrup]

Bruh

[bold dove]

Extinction is 'dirt'
Genesis 1 is 'cpu'
Genesis 2 is 'Halo'

[bronze turtle]

Abb is hot

[bold dove]

Or wet

[low briar]

Ab is desert minus the sand

[bronze turtle]

Abit of both

What did reapers evolve from

No way they went from monera to them

maybe allo?

I’d say a reaper is like an allo

[bold dove]

They didn't evolve.

The ARK created them, just like the nameless. (sadly)

[brazen sparrow]

Hey, that's my joke!

[south raft]

L

[brazen sparrow]

Reapers were genetically engineered by their Ark's Overseer, like most other Ark creatures are

Pretty sure almost nothing has "evolved" naturally or anything of the sort, except maybe drakes which I honestly doubt weren't tailor made to be the counter to reapers, to give the humans a chance

[late stump]

The SANDY ARK

[south raft]

people literally trap reapers just to get impregnated

like

thats some high tier shit right there

[brazen sparrow]

What does that have to do with any of what I stated or even the lore in general lmao

[south raft]

idk, i just wanted to point that out

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, everyone kinda already knows that (I'd hope), since it's the only way to tame them and I'd hope everyone knows how to tame a creature that came out... what, 5, 6 years ago now?

[south raft]

what do you mean ' I hope'?

[brazen sparrow]

Pretty straightforward statement

Here, let me make it easier

[south raft]

one sentence will sum up that paragraph

[brazen sparrow]

Not trying to be mean or anything but you really be livin up to the screen name my guy

[south raft]

💀

man, just because i'm a Dodo doesn't mean i'm dumb

[brazen sparrow]

@bold dove , does this message make pretty clear and obvious sense to you? Just want an outside opinion real quick

[south raft]

[brazen sparrow]

Originally didn't have the parenthesis btw, but I simplified it

[south raft]

Uh, sir- this is a wendys

take your order please

[brazen sparrow]

[quaint marsh]

Nothing wrong in not knowing how to tame a reaper, that's like saying "Oh you have to know the whole story it's been out for 7 years". Some people have just gotten the game too, geez

You were being kinda rude too Pikmin, he was asking what you meant and you indirectly but seeminly intentionally told him he was dumb

[brazen sparrow]

I was gonna type out this whole long thing about being overbearing on the internet of all places, but I honestly just couldn't care less lmao

[carmine cedar]

Urp.

[brazen sparrow]

Urp

[arctic bison]

## URP

[dawn stirrup]

URP

[low briar]

🇺 🇷 🇵

[south raft]

URP

[iron ocean]

Breaking the chain

[leaden oasis]

Breaking the chain

[mossy trench]

[sand hornet]

Ark gen2 and 1 are missing a lore dlc before and after gen 1 and 2

[fallow sapphire]

Well after is going to be Ark 2, and before is hopefully gonna be the story dlc in ASA

[south raft]

Here's some interesting lore

What was life before the arks?

[fallow sapphire]

We talking during the element war, or before that?

Either way there’s no real answer, but one is way easier to theorize then the other

[dapper furnace]

. _ .

earth wasnt corrupted

[bold dove]

I always imagined something like Cyberpunk.
World is technically functional, but with the constant butting heads between the U.R.E and Terrans, and possibly even trying to fuck each other over economically before the real war started. It probably was able to brew enough discomfort to force their citizens to live off of crime.

[eternal river]

Also there were a few small % of folks ascending, like Helena, even during that time, but a very small number, IIRC

[digital granite]

So

like heres a uh question regarding clones

So if the arks are remixing people from different ages is there anything stopping it from bringing out the worst of the worst?

Like whats stopping the system from bringing back fascists as opposed to santiago whom was seen as a monster in the above mentioned element wars

I mean it wasnt opposed to bringing back nerva whom came from a literal slave society

Perhaps its a mountian of a molehill I'm making

[brazen sparrow]

Some of the people were kinda the worst, it wasn't really thought out very well and there is no safeguard as to it bringing back, say, that one guy from WW2 (his name is a banned word here? Tf?) for instance (though, I imagine they wouldn't be able to find his corpse to extract the engrammic matrix from, or it would be destroyed seeing as he "went" the way he did, or they had some sort of baseline ethics to it, idk.) They literally just pulled whomever they could from wherever they could based on if the person's matrix was salvageable or not, so it really boils down to corpse condition and how well preserved the brain in particular was in any given individual

[digital granite]

Really I thought the process was esentially sequenced by the ark itself and not something stored and preserved

As obivously it would be impossible to get someone like Mei Yin or Nervas brains

[brazen sparrow]

Nope, it was something they did before the Arks while they still could via Element based tech that could rip your entire being from just your preserved brain and remake you via the Ark's fabricators at a later date, after being stored in the database

(The same tech was used for the fabricators on the Gen ship, fyi)

[digital granite]

I really thought it was kinda like a computer throwing random stuff at a problem till it was solved situation

but I guess it might be possible they are outliars

[brazen sparrow]

The whole thing is explained via the explorer notes, mostly ??? (Homo-Deus Helena, most of which is on Extinction iirc)

[digital granite]

I'll take a reread then, I must have missed something

[brazen sparrow]

Always good to get a refresher

[digital granite]

The Engram Reconstruction Project
A massive project that was done by the Terran Federation humanists and the United Republics of Earth transhumans, its purpose is to hold and record every engrammic matrix, or the minds and personalities of every single known human in Earth's history into an archive. Both the Colony Ship and ARKs will hold a copy of this archive to allow them to repopulate the worlds they will inhabit respectively. Genesis Santiago notes the project is so indifferent that if the whole world found out about efforts to archive every human into an archive, a multitude of organized mobs and riots will try to shut them down.

The project also became disturbing to some of the initial Colony Ship crew members. The transhumans made engrammic copies of the crew members in the archive's database regardless if they consented into being archived or not. When Santiago did random searches on the engram archive database, he found something disturbing that he noted he will never unsee: the engram archive team under Yongki somehow meshed two distinct identities together that became the result of a person that never existed in human history. Yongki, the archive director and friend of Santiago, found that his family had been archived regardless if they said yes or no to consent.

[brazen sparrow]

I personally am excited for whatever new lore comes in the new DLCs for ASA, and am saving a reread for my playthroughs on that 😅

[digital granite]

excerpt from wiki but I'll look into sources

[digital granite]

exactly I hope we get new characters

[brazen sparrow]

I just hope we get confirmation of Helena actually being gone, she made it seem like she was going back to Earth after meddling with the Gen ship and inadvertently killing every conscious (and like half of the unconscious) people onboard

I hope she takes her ascended ass to the netherrealm or something 🤣

[digital granite]

For real

I hope the gen 2 survivor gets a cameo or something in ark 2

would be a neat callback

maybe a destroyed but open exomech in some ruins

[brazen sparrow]

I think it's highly likely that we'll see that exact thing in some form or fashion

[digital granite]

The one who tries again bossfight?

[brazen sparrow]

I doubt it, but that'd be hilarious if we could do like an evil playthrough and just kill everyone, including ourselves from the last game

[digital granite]

The Dark Urge

[rigid grove]

Nom nom some element

[dapper furnace]

didnt i read something about the new lore ark being before the proto arks?

[rain dock]

Nothing official

Because there is nothing official

[dapper furnace]

ah

[royal tundra]

Yeah the proto arks went unexplained

But judging by their name it's not hard to assume that they were prototypes for the current arks

[south raft]

thats what a ferox does

[tough crag]

And rockwell

[arctic bison]

Achievement unlocked: last family reunion

[bronze turtle]

anyone know if theyre gunna be continuing with the lore in asa?

[tough crag]

Yes

[hasty creek]

How

[iron ocean]

Apparently there will be a new story ark

[mental basin]

Nobody said it would be an ARK

But yes, there will be a fresh story DLC

Multiple are possible

[mental basin]

They actually kinda are, but it's a little convoluted.

According to Helena, the System (ARK System) originated in Sanctuary- and the Proto-ARKs were built around it.

The Farm is the first ARK sent into orbit, an undetermined amount of time after the Proto-ARKs were created.

Some claim The Farm to be The Island, but the claim goes unsubstantiated.

Gen2 threw a bit of a wrench in the tineline with the introduction of The Farm, and the newly presented idea of the ARK environments originally being reused sims from early Genesis, but this is what fits the best.

[royal tundra]

It makes a lot of sense

Simulation > Proto Arks > The Farm > Rest of Arks

[bold dove]

We do try to make simulations for anything research based now a days. So not too far out to imagine that the ARK's formed the same way.

[livid kiln]

Question about water on the arks. Is it sea water or fresh water? Because some of the dinos can only survive in salt, but the character can drink all of it.

Or does that mean our character have a built in ability to filter salt water through us?

[arctic bison]

## Watuhr

[livid kiln]

I understand basic real world examples of drinking salt water and it doing more harm to us than good when drinking.

[brazen sparrow]

It would make sense that all aquatic life on the Arks would be modified to either be able to live in saltwater or freshwater, since, you know, genetic modification

[iron ocean]

How can it not be an ark?

[arctic bison]

Extinction and genesis 1/2 don't take place on ARK's, so it doesn't have to take place on an Ark as half the story DLC's don't do it

[bold dove]

Well, either A: Survivors are modified to be able to filter out the salt from the ocean and just get the H2O.
B: It's fresh water and the ocean creatures are just modified to live in fresh water.
C: It's just a gameplay mechanic cause they didn't want to spend time back in 2015 to make boiling water a mechanic.

[mental basin]

Extinction takes place on Earth. Gen1 takes place in the Genesis-Simulation.
Gen2 takes place on the Gen-Ship, which houses the Simulation.

Our main theory is that it takes place in Arat Prime, the launch site of the Genesis-Ship on the other side of the Earth to Sanctuary.

[bold dove]

While I really hope this is the case. We honestly don't know what they'll be making.

For all we know, they could be adding some random ass ARK inbetween existing DLC's.
It could even be the Farm.
Or since they want to "push their UE5 understanding for ARK-2" they could have the DLC set on a small part of Arat that's right after the events of Genesis-2 to lead it up towards ARK-2.

[fallow sapphire]

That is something I have wondered, but it also seems strange to encroach on ark 2’s area

[bold dove]

English only, please.

[mental basin]

Notice

'Theory'

[dawn stirrup]

I know theres no confirmed timespan, but how long do you think the survivor spent on each ark?

Another question: Is singleplayer or multiplayer the canon amount of people for TOWTA’s story?

[dapper furnace]

Plot twist: its actually set in the Cretaceous period :p

[brazen sparrow]

He may have started before we even got there

Probably did tbh

[brazen sparrow]

I don't know if it's confirmed that it landed close or not, but it's highly unlikely that we get teleported to the simulation seeing as how the superluminal link is explicitly at Arat Prime, on the other side of the planet from Sanctuary (Extinction)

[thorn ore]

we cant know if the time passes at as fast in the simulation as outside the simulation, meaning we couldve theoretically spent 100 years there thinking only a few have passed
rockwell couldve arrived 50 years after us and wouldve still had enough time to take over one ring

[thorn ore]

i dont quite understand you, but we still dont know how much later he arrived

he didnt completely take it over immediately, once you first arrive you dont actually know of him taking it over at the moment

also i cant see how a mountain of overgrown flesh is supposed to move fast

one by one

yes

but not immediately, rather over time

why doesnt he move in aberration then

[brazen sparrow]

The master AIs are gone by the time we are actually in the simulation, everything in the sim is as it is when we get there, no more no less

Yes, we know this already

[thorn ore]

interesting
how so

[brazen sparrow]

But by how long is undetermined

The Gen 1 or 2 notes, I don't remember at the moment

Something about cycles

[thorn ore]

i know that in gen1 when patching some glitches hlna states that the glitches were caused by the master AIs shut down, i dont know if all those glitches have been there all the time

are the glitches in gen1 appearing over time

alright that explains it

[brazen sparrow]

Like I said, everything is there as it currently stands when we get there

[thorn ore]

i thought if they appeared over time, the master AI wouldve been deleted at the time the glitch appeared making rockwell actively overtaking the simulation as we go

he couldve always killed us in person
we see a tentacle grabbing us when leaving the simulation, he couldve just killed us right there

[brazen sparrow]

I imagine the tensile strength of the tek armor saved us

[thorn ore]

federation suit got hide level armor 😂

[brazen sparrow]

But either way, he was working on infecting the forward ring, hence the missions we do in Gen 2 to prevent that very thing

[brazen sparrow]

That's gameplay mechanics for ya, can't really have a free tek suit with full armor and no durability stat 😅

I don't think it really matters much, he was going to try and kill us once we got where we were going either way

[thorn ore]

yeah but i think if its got that low armor that a raptor can kill us a huge tentacle in a cutscene can do as well

[brazen sparrow]

Again, that's gameplay, not lore

[thorn ore]

you have to be able to connect lore and gameplay

[brazen sparrow]

Lorewise, it's the same tek suit just different style

Not at all

If you do that, then you're just asking for trouble

[thorn ore]

if i have for example a game like minecraft with a lore like ark that would be just weird af

then who broke us out of the tentacle grabbing us

its a lil robot

[arctic bison]

aw man, but i wanted to have a tek nuke for gameplay as well

[thorn ore]

ngl that was a stupid idea

nope
i never fully saw the cutscene

might just still be wasteland
pretty sure that we dont know

[brazen sparrow]

Then... maybe go watch all the lore first? It's kinda imperative to, you know, know the lore when in the lore channel 😅

[thorn ore]

i know more lore than most others in this dc

[brazen sparrow]

If you haven't watched the cutscene all the way, I doubt that lol

[thorn ore]

how could i
i dont own genesis ^^

reverse vegan results in carnivore

a homo deus doesnt eat tho

ive collected that note myself, and i dont think that can be taken too seriously 🤣

[brazen sparrow]

Y'all are crazy, I've got work to do lol peace

[thorn ore]

by the way jokes on you i did

[brazen sparrow]

Then why did you say you hadn't seen the full cutscene?

[thorn ore]

i didnt
i only saw the beginning in the video i watched

[brazen sparrow]

You're either lying about the cutscene, or about knowing all the lore, there's no inbetween. Anywho, idc and please don't @ me any more I got stuff to do

[thorn ore]

i dont know about all the lore
i just know the lore
so technically youre right, i dont need to know every detail though

whatever

[brazen sparrow]

You literally just said you did, my guy, right here

But yeah w/e

[thorn ore]

theres probably enough arks to repopulate that area as well
even if there will be a little bit of wasteland left the arks around where aberration crashed can just slowly but surely repopulate that

yeah

[thorn ore]

theres two ways you can see that in which i didnt lie
choose one

A: i missed the "all" in your statement
B: i misunderstood you as in "go watch the entire lore"

why

if it safely landed it would be wasteland as well

true
although the arks purged the remaining element when landing, so the other arks around could have just prevented further corruption from that molten element

there wasnt all element gone as they landed, so they had to use some kind of resources to get rid of it

the king titan was the protector of the element, not the hivemind host or sth that the element needed to survive

the general?

killing him doesnt result in the corruption and element being poof gone'd

why does element suddenly have military rangs

--
it says "the element that spawned him" on the guardian hologram, meaning the element can exist without a "general" how you call it, as the king titan wasnt there the instant element found its way to earth

true i remember now

it is still corruptive, however

in the element war, as tek weapons were used, those element emissions corrupted stuff, but there still was no king titan. he was found later

wait fuck i just counterargumented myself

right
i didnt

if it can wipe out humanity without a king titan, it is still a threat even after the king titan died. means that the arks had to use resources to counteract the element, otherwise they would risk their existence and thus the repopulation of earth, which is the one and only goal of the ARKs

also i dont know if the overseers were in charge as i think ive heard something of a reseed protocol which might have taken over, especially since the overseers broke over time, only allowing you to ascend if you beat them in a fight, which originally wasnt how you ascended

[eternal river]

iirc the arks broke

[eternal river]

The ARKs began to malfunction, which is what led to all the survivors spawning all of a sudden

and i think there was some issue with homo deus degrading over time as well

well, initially spawning in at all, and then respawning

"The ARK in-lore story begins hundreds of years after The Collapse, when the ARKs begin to malfunction. Explorer notes indicate that the ARKs have remained in orbit far longer than 646 years." - wiki

thats all i know

[carmine cedar]

Are there any hints as to where Element came from exactly?

“underground”, no. Would’ve stopped earth’s rotation long sgo then 🤣

Either lab made or space, iirc it was space. I forgor tho

[low briar]

Ain't called the magic space rock for being lab-made 🤭

I do

It's also literally found in space

That's ... what found in space means

It's from space

Magic space rock

Hence the space part of that

Potentially, but not likely since it only really became an issue once it was found after humanity achieved space travel

[brazen sparrow]

Hey

Do you know where the stars (in between which would be considered interstellar) are

Because I think it's space

Could be wrong tho

Also it came to Earth on a meteor, this is widely known information

Interstellar is exclusively a space based term lmao

An explorer note, probably Helena-Deus or HLN-A I don't remember

Not a whole lot is known about exactly how Rockwell took over the ring, so I'm gonna need a citation on that one

The creatures synthesizing element in their bodies out of other materials is one thing, but he likely didn't just find a bunch of raw element that they had on the ship and make creatures out of it as far as we know, that would be a bit silly seeing as how the point of the ship was to, you know, get rid of element

[thorn ore]

they arent at their original programming anymore, that far im certain

[dawn stirrup]

I know theres no confirmed timespan, but how long do you think the survivor spent on each ark? Another question: Is singleplayer or multiplayer the canon amount of people for TOWTA’s story?

[brazen sparrow]

There's no real good estimate for that timeframe I'm pretty sure, but either way the asteroid thing is unconfirmed hearsay my guy lol (unless you find a note where it explicitly says/shows them mining the element)

[eternal river]

so rockwell, gen2, corruption all that... not related to the mutagen/gel stuff?

[brazen sparrow]

I don't think that is at all explained in-universe, but maybe it's like runoff from what he was using to make his various mutant creatures? Idk, just a theory

[eternal river]

well i mean it comes from asteroids, so its some natural occuring thing in space, not from his experiments

i guess he used it somehow to get that first bit of element but just guessing

[brazen sparrow]

He does generate Mutagen and gel inside himself, so

It being found on asteroids may just be gameplay/balance mechanics for all we know

[bold dove]

The One Who Waits also flat out states it

She states it 'arrived from space'

I don't recall the exact number, but it's one of The One Who Waits notes on Extinction

Alien means non native, which if it's alien to Earth means it came from space.

[bronze turtle]

alien means alien

thats the end of it

[bold dove]

"a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalized citizen of the country where they are living."
"belonging to a foreign country or nation."

[bronze turtle]

yeah but imagine calling someone an alien because they're a foreigner 💀

[bold dove]

They literally do

Illegal aliens.

[bronze turtle]

not in this sense

[bold dove]

Alien means the same all around, Element isn't foreign to Earth so it's alien.

[bronze turtle]

ah but alien is an organism

[bold dove]

It isn't. No definition has that.

[bronze turtle]

it is

[bold dove]

Where does it state in any definition that it has to be an organism.

[rigid grove]

We're not going to make the lore channel a big argument about a word okay 😆

[bronze turtle]

you're actually right, its not an organism

[bronze turtle]

well in your logic, if i said you're just a human that'd be calling you a word and only a word

[bold dove]

Aliens means foreign, end of discussion.
Anyway, back to the original point.
Element is alien.

[rigid grove]

It was a subtle point to tell you to move on

[bronze turtle]

rather, extraterrestrial
life

theres many definitions to explain that its extraterrestrial life

[bold dove]

That might've been your confusion, as extraterrestrial life means a whole different definition then alien does.

[bronze turtle]

it is extraterrestrial life.

[bold dove]

It can be from Earth, it just means something foreign

[bold dove]

It's both extraterrestrial life and alien.

[bronze turtle]

its like saying human and life arent the same definition

not in the sense of the internet here, buddy

[bold dove]

That's not at all the same thing.

[bronze turtle]

i was comparing your logic

[bold dove]

That extraterrestrial life and aliens are seperate words?
Which....they are.

[bronze turtle]

the same way humans and life are seperate words

[bold dove]

Difference is, humans are life as any living organism is. So the two words are more entwined.
Alien and extraterrestrial life aren't. As alien can literally mean anything foreign, which can vary from life to a rock not native to an area.

Correct, but that isn't spino's point

[bronze turtle]

what is my point?

[bold dove]

I honestly fucking forgot at this point. 💀

[bronze turtle]

.. the same way a human can be dead or alive

[bold dove]

That's called a 'corpse'

[bronze turtle]

how about coral

is it called a carcass or still coral after it dies?

its still coral.

i didnt say shit about element

[bold dove]

I believe they're actually refered to as 'bleached corals'

[bronze turtle]

which is still coral

which is alien.

its not a literal fucking sentence

[bold dove]

Yeah, I still have no idea what spino's point is.

[bronze turtle]

my point is that alien is extraterrestrial life

that foreign shit is outdated

[bold dove]

It 'can' mean extraterrestrial life. But that's not the only definition.

[bronze turtle]

fuck, even 40 yearold men only define "alien" as extraterrestrial

foreign means foreign, and alien means extraterrestrial

get the fuck over it

[bold dove]

It isn't.
The term is used all the time for where the word actually originated for, which is stuff like border control.

[bronze turtle]

which is located in?

[bold dove]

Any borders of any nation.

[bronze turtle]

they refer foreigners as foreigners.

go to the border of north dakota, canada, literally they will not use the term alien

[bold dove]

Specifically any nations that deal with foreigners illegally going into their nations.
Which they'd be legally classified as 'illegal aliens' as they are legal citizens.

[bold dove]

There you go. Sent you a U.S report about the term 'alien'

"Undocumented alien or illegal alien Undocumented noncitizen, undocumented non-U.S.
citizen, or undocumented individual"

[bronze turtle]

you're missing the point

yeah, words like that will be dedicated in decade to even centuries long terms.

search up "alien" and go to images

you could scroll for weeks and wont find anything about foreigners.

[bold dove]

Just cause the internet changed something, doesn't make it true.
If that was the case, then Reddit would be correct all the time.

Google works via search results.
It pulls up little green men type of aliens when you Google 'alien' cause that's what people kept looking for, and so the search engine made those images top results.
But it doesn't change the fundemental defintion of what the word actually means.

[bronze turtle]

when did i say the internet changed it?

[bold dove]

You're saying that the old definition is outdated, in which that isn't true for the areas that actually use the term.

[bronze turtle]

the terms you sent me are centuries years old

[bold dove]

'Date 2021'

[bronze turtle]

thats the print date.

[bold dove]

Damn, that's a century ago

[bronze turtle]

are you fucking high?

because chatgpt gets its sources from google definitions

also ai isnt even a reliable source

[bold dove]

The fact we're continuing this pointless discussion that you keep fueling is what makes us high.

Alien means foreign, and it all depends how you use it. End of story.

[bronze turtle]

i dont recall anyone using the term alien as in foreign

[mossy trench]

Alright y’all

Move on

[past echo]

Can we calm down please

[bronze turtle]

...yeah, theres a king titan outside everyones house

[mossy trench]

https://tenor.com/view/move-on-alexis-alexis-rose-annie-murphy-schitts-creek-gif-20790410

[bold dove]

[mossy trench]

Also use the block button, it always helps XD

[bronze turtle]

yeah but do people block eachother after a convo they have on a basis?

not very mature. if there was threats, and everyone got really hostile, yeah thats the point that you block the other

kinda seems like whoever does that is a chicken

...no

i meant figuratively, everyone has a king titan outside their house irl

you dont know what figuratively means?

i meant that shit figuratively

do you need a lesson on figurative language?

no shit? thats what i meant

i wasnt talking literally when i said everyone has a king titan outside their house.. i think you recide to know that, you just wanna create a new argument

since you cant fucking comprehend the difference between figurative and literal language, heres an example

"raining cats and dogs" is figurative.

[potent latch]

Looks like neither of you know what a pointless argument is 🤣

[bronze turtle]

i was mocking you sarcastically😂

no need to cause a fucking fuss over it

are you high?

texting is a form of communication, what are you on because i want some of it

also tone isnt always sarcasm

if i say "there is a king titan outside of everyones house" after you use extinction logic in a argument revolving around the real world, is it that fucking difficult to understand i was being sarcastic?

are you a troll

[rich robin]

You have been asked to move. You can take the 'debate' to dms.

I would not continue past this point.

[bronze turtle]

alright sorry

[brazen sparrow]

That wasn't at all what I was referencing, I was referring to the statement that Rockwell had people mining element off asteroids on Gen 2, which we don't know and is unlikely to be the case

[bronze turtle]

im gonna be honest, i didnt even realize this was the lore channel

[brazen sparrow]

L reading skill moment

[arctic bison]

average ark chatter reading moment, told you they can't read anything if it isn't in a high colored font

[bronze turtle]

didnt even bother to read it, thought it was general

[bronze turtle]

one thing thats bothered me about ark is small text

[brazen sparrow]

Skill issue

He isn't talking about the in-game text...

[arctic bison]

community crunch text

[brazen sparrow]

...Which you can increase the size of anyways

[south raft]

275+ new messages in 3 hours. What the fuck 💀

[dapper furnace]

im with you above average dode 😐

[proud otter]

Anger makes people text a lot back and forth without it going anywhere lol

[proud otter]

Also a lot of argument about the difference between alien and extraterrestrial

[dapper furnace]

theres nothing alein about ark?

isnt tek the only thing from the great beyond?

[bold dove]

Element is alien.

[dapper furnace]

ah

[bold dove]

Humanity created Tek and the ARK's, but Element and Corruption are living organisms from space that came via a meteor.

[dapper furnace]

...if its a living organism why does it corrupt dinosaurs but has a symbiotic relationship with birds and mammals?

[bold dove]

Also the astro creatures are native to space, so they're technically the first tamable aliens. (if you exclude the fact you can temp tame titans, where are physical purely made out of Corruption

[bold dove]

Difference between Corruption and Element.
Corruption...well 'corrupts' anything it touches into its own hivemind, its only goal is to spread and kill as it only feels malice.
Corruption is the rogue state of Element. No one know the actual process of how Element goes Corrupted, but it happened somewhere near the end of the tek-war. (a planetary conflict between the U.R.E and the Terran Federation. Basically WW3)
Element more adapts to its environment then tries to corrupt everything.
Creatures like gacha's and snow owls have a symbiotic relationship with Element, not Corruption (if I recall right)

Now as of the 'why' they formed a symbiotic relationship. I believe that isn't answered.

[dapper furnace]

...the snow owl and managarmr-

and velonosaur i believe- wait it can pair with reptiles

[south raft]

stop writing fucking essays bro 💀

[bold dove]

It pairs with anything I believe.

[south raft]

can't you just simplefiy it?

[bold dove]

Stop reading them then.
This is the 'lore' channel. I'm sorry if I write an essay for a game with 'lore'

[dapper furnace]

So whats the tek dinosaurs? i always thought it was normal creature corrupted

[south raft]

well i have to read it anyways because this is lore and lore is interesting

[bold dove]

I don't believe they actually have lore. But if I recall right, it may have something to do with a counter measure to see if mechanical creatures that can replicate organic creatures behaviors can out live Corruption.
But as we see in Genesis-1, Corruption can corrupt data as well.

[bold dove]

Then stop complaining.

[dapper furnace]

ah...

im not gonna dive too deep into this pot hole of lore

im still writing lore for my own game lmao

[bold dove]

Best to watch something like the Survival Stories that explain it better with voice acting, then trying to read up on it.

[south raft]

heres some lore. Ark, is from the future and the past

[dapper furnace]

i've watched up to abberation pt1 lol

[bold dove]

Part 2?

[dapper furnace]

not yet

[bold dove]

DO IT!

[bold dove]

You know anything about Rockwell?

[dapper furnace]

English madmen obsessed with discovery

[bold dove]

That's about it?

[dapper furnace]

Ik he injects himself with element-

[bold dove]

Ah, so you know about the boss of Aberration?

[dapper furnace]

Funnily enough i didnt know until i googled rockwell genesis and google fcking spoiled it 💀

[bold dove]

Yeah, that's why you have to be careful with spoilers.

ARK's community does not give a fuck about spoilers.

[dapper furnace]

lmao

[bold dove]

Anyway, watch Part 2 when you can.

[dapper furnace]

imma go back to writing my own lore up 💀

[dapper furnace]

i will! thanks

[dapper furnace]

why his own blood...?

or should i watch the video-

okie

...still seems like pure element

his just mixing it with a liquid to test it?

im currently working on somethin so i'll watch it after

[thorn ore]

my theory on that isthat he used som element dust and solved it inside a fluid that he wanted to inject himself into the blood circuit, and what better to use than his own blood

hm

yeah thats rather peculiar

[dapper furnace]

never played abberation no idea what yall talking about lol

[thorn ore]

liquid element

[dapper furnace]

engine grease

...okay but why hasnt anyone before the arks done that?

i feel like there had to be one guy who wanted to do testing with the element and said:
human trails must commence

to see if theres any medicinal properties

...i feel like i would inject someone with pure element to find out what it does... omg i am insane... for science

honestly i would see if it has a boiling point first...

or inject a pet yeah that makes sense- No it dosent

i'd steal a wild one

ig he was locked in that lab so that was his only option :/

why am i reasoning with that

why is that logical

why do i love this emoji

i can say a random sentence and just have the cat at the end and it gives a whole new emotion

Gaius Nerva, wasnt a bad guy

Helena Walker was australian

shes a biologist tho...

how does she know every genus of an extinct therapod if shes educated in current biology

i am secretly spamming this channel with

why is there always a pack of manta's surrounding basilo's

why does the raft count as one of your tames

you cant put a raft in a cryopod

who actually uses the paracer as an early game walking house?

why am i venting to this cat

imma stop now

[dapper furnace]

tek dino's are organic? ._.

❓

that... makes them advanced synths

capable of reproduction

this turned into horizon zero dawn real quick

the robots are the exact same as tek creatures when you put it that way

Yes in horizon there are cauldrons that machines come from but the main thing that brought humanity to its knees in horizon was the machines reproduced

and they still can just the code was corrupted. i was a massive fan boy

no... they ate... and grew a machine out of the living organisms they ate

whether that be leaves or the flesh off a human

all machines can do it

striders have the function even

wth is the B7 horus

their just called horus's

and the zero dawn horus. thats the only horus thats different from the others

...

the horus in the mountain

the one directly hit by an emp

it was directly hit by a foreign emp

to the exterior

which caused it to have a techno seizure and bury itself

and then after millennium it kinda showed back up with the growing mountain

its in a note in the mountain

the scan notes

that one was hit by an emp before gaia

its why its buried into the mountain

all the others are kind of stuck in motion

theres only 1

its a different horus to all the rest

its bigger

thats due to it being in a volcano

or something. i havent spoiled myself on the dlc

ted faro was a fat bastard

they kept adapting themselves

evolving

the ones in ted faro's crypt is the originals.

notice how they cant jump

the new ones they dig up can

yes-

they jump... very high

and slam back down its an attack of theirs but they dont do it in ted faro's crypt

pretty sure thry dont...

i always thought it was a programming thing to not damage the structure

but them calculating evolution of their system in their system makes sense

Like how the stalker used to be white instead of black

for camoflauge in the snow

a cloaking mechanism was invented by one of the AI cores

it wasnt found

there for they evolved the mechanism/ invented it.

they changed the stalker to black and implanted the cloaking device-

ans extremely sensitive ai's

Gaia didnt make the stalkers.

Gaia didnt make the thunder jaws or storm birds.

Gaia didnt give her creations weapons. Hephastis weaponised and invented the killing machines to kill humans after they started attacking them

the storm birds werent made by gaia-

they were made by another subordinate function due to one of the cauldrons loss of power

so they made the storm bird a substation.

then they didnt need a use for it and bam it wss a partbof haphastis's weaponary

glint hawks:

cyan: 🥹

no but she is an important role-

they even used her in forbidden west

they used her to distract hephastis

oh- i swear there was something to do with cyan...

no it was at the genesis cauldron-

theres 2 cores.

The cauldron that has the sunwing codes

it has 2 cores due to the massive fault line it sits on.

gemini thats it-

anyway imma go im on 3%

[dapper furnace]

quick question- what year do the arks become a thing

like leave the atmosphere and become the life boat satellites

[brazen sparrow]

What has this channel become

Please mods, help

[carmine cedar]

HZD moment

[dapper furnace]

imma be honest the horizon conversation went beyond what i wanted to

[carmine cedar]

Im excited for the HFW PC release

[dapper furnace]

i hate when ps games get ported to pc...
whats the point in saying "playstation exclusive" if your gonna slap your game into pc a yr later

[dapper furnace]

imma keep lurking and waiting on an answer for this cuz google aint helping

[carmine cedar]

I hate when console guys have this mindset

[dapper furnace]

i used to be a pc player

its just false advertising on sony's part

[carmine cedar]

Why did you downgrade

[dapper furnace]

hand problems

[carmine cedar]

They have 2 choices, either to give in to the master race, or be destroyed

[carmine cedar]

U can game on PC with controller

[dapper furnace]

i lost 2 fingers

i cant hit shift no more

[carmine cedar]

That’s sad 😭

Permanent damage I presume?

[dapper furnace]

i had to go to the rollers

[carmine cedar]

Also by they I mean Sony not u xd

[spice zenith]

Anyone know what the go with unofficial servers on the ps5 is? No matter what I do I can’t get any to load

[carmine cedar]

:(

[dapper furnace]

no, its temporary they just need to replace the fing- Yes its permanent xD

[carmine cedar]

[dapper furnace]

i lost them yrs ago dw

[carmine cedar]

Still sad tho

[dapper furnace]

its not stopping me from making my own game so its not life changing

i cant hold a pencil normally anymore but i can still draw my concepts

[brazen sparrow]

I hate exclusives 🙂

[dapper furnace]

?

[brazen sparrow]

Exclusives are bad, I don't understand why nobody gets that lmao

They're the singlehandedly most anti-consumer corporate scheme in all of gaming, besides maybe microtransactions and mobile games

But I get it, Sony loves gatekeeping, so we do it too

Just wish we didn't have to

[dapper furnace]

minecraft became exclusive from playstation

literally cant play with my freinds unless i pay $20 for Microsoft access?

something on microsofts side because i have a ps account

[brazen sparrow]

That's Sony's fault, they didn't give MS dev kits to develop a native PS5 version for lmao

Quit sonyponying please, it's not going to work

[dapper furnace]

yeah that makes sense.

sonyponying?

[dapper furnace]

if i could i'd go back to playing pc

[brazen sparrow]

You can, Aroy literally told you how fam

[dapper furnace]

?

[brazen sparrow]

Almost all games have controller support nowadays, except the few indie games that don't implement it and were PC exclusive anyways

[dapper furnace]

i'll look more into that but as far as i found it was only pc to xbox controllers

[brazen sparrow]

You can use a DDR dancepad to play Dark Souls, for god's sakes 🤣

You can get a measly PS controller to work I promise

[dapper furnace]

and xbox controllers are such a pain to hold onto for long

[brazen sparrow]

Maybe if you have tiny hands, sure

They make smaller ones though

[dapper furnace]

no they genuinely give me cramps in about 30mins

[brazen sparrow]

Skill issue

[dapper furnace]

the shapes of the sides is whst i've put it down to

[brazen sparrow]

To each their own I suppose

[dapper furnace]

okay back to my main question-

[brazen sparrow]

Still, this has nothing to do with the lore

[dapper furnace]

.

[brazen sparrow]

Nice attempted spam, Fortuna lmao

What a loser

[dapper furnace]

is there even a set year that the arks left earth?

[brazen sparrow]

I don't believe so, but they start being built around the same time the Genesis ship does (which I don't remember the date for lol)

[dapper furnace]

i just wanna know the rough century lol

[brazen sparrow]

Gonna have to wait for someone else, I'm too lazy to look it up

[dapper furnace]

because i accidentally copied titanfalls important story date lmao

[brazen sparrow]

It's in an explorer note though

[dapper furnace]

so im trying to avoid other franchises important dates 💀

[brazen sparrow]

Well, good luck

[dapper furnace]

ik it dosent matter much but still the more data the more in the clear i am 💀

[brazen sparrow]

Definitely not, they were worked on in parallel, the Arks may have even come first

Or at least the idea of them, via the proto-Arks

The homo-deus didn't build anything, they're beings made of pure energy

[eternal river]

no, arks were built with homo deus help

[brazen sparrow]

We have no info on when or how people became homo-deus either (save for Helena-deus, but that's it), so that's irrelevant

[eternal river]

we know at the time of the war, some humans were ascending, and, along with some regular humans, wanted to preserve the earth, which is what started the ark project

ark / farm / simulation etc

[brazen sparrow]

With their help maybe, but the URE built the Arks, not the homo-deus

Federation built the ship, and both shared the engram tech to build The System (which is shared between both projects)

[brazen sparrow]

No duh, that's what Homo-Deus are

Ascended humans

What I said still stands

You need to reread the lore then, the transhumanists (aka the United Republics of Earth or URE) were the people for the use of element to ascend to a higher form of being

The Terran Federation (or Feds) were not about it, they thought it was wack

Also, transhumans=cyborgs via tek essentially

Again, we don't know when or how Homo-Deus began to exist, that's not known lore

Exist/be created/become corporeal/whatever else they did

Youtuber videos mean nothing, if it isn't ingame or told by the developers it's not true

A lot of youtube stuff is just inferred or guesswork

Most of that is directly quoted from the notes, but yes there is some (extremely light) guesswork/headcanon involved as much as everyone hates to admit it

[brazen sparrow]

I don't think things work quite how you think they work, Homo-Deus that are forced to stay on this plane of being (I.E. the Overseers) just lose their sense of self/identity, and their emotions. They don't cease to exist, they just become imperceptible to normal humans when they move on to the next realm of being, whatever that may be

No shit, they were created via unknown methods including using element on humans in some way

It's like saying dinosaurs or humans didn't always exist

Hell, the universe probably hasn't always existed

You're just repeating something I thought we both already knew now, I thought we were past this

I'm not pissed, are you? I just don't like repeating myself, I do that enough for my family and the various kids I know

Rather not have to state the obvious, either

[lone birch]

Which one is deadlier? Corruption or Flood from Halo?

[bold dove]

Defiantly the Flood.

Corruption runs on malice and hatred.
The Flood runs on a unified goal to unite all life under one banner.
Corruption is overconfident and cocky.
The Flood learns about others weakness and uses that to preserve itself.

Corruption also seems more like an illness with getting corrupted. I don't think it's ever explained, but it does seem like something that'd you get sick before dying.
The Flood on the other hand not only instantly turns your body against yourself, but forces you to stay conscious even as your body is breaking apart and being put back together to become a combat form. It does this as it literally absorbs all of your memories into its hivemind, eventually your conscious does fade. But not before the agony of being transformed and losing all your memories of anything you loved.

The Flood also can literally make AI's have a midlife crisis about their existence and turn them against their creators.

As ugly as the Flood is, they probably have a Charisma of like 40.

[lone birch]

Wow, flood does sound very terrifying! Not being able to remember anything yet still alive and being controlled by a hivemind! In the other hand, Corruption turn you into a mindless being controlled by hivemind (at least I think?)

Oh? Why would they have charisma of 40?

[bold dove]

Cause them being able to convert AI's is literally them just talking to said AI's, as their billions to possibly trillions of years of existence allows them to become hella wise.
This can also effect living organisms, as when a group of Forerunners where torturing a Gravemind and asked for answers. It gave them an answer so horrifying that they took their own lives.

So if Rockwell was converted by the Flood, any interaction that HLN-A has with Rockwell would've basically fucked her over.

Also, as bad as Corruption is. It's still Element, which can be used for wonders outside of Corruption. As the technology to wipe out Corruption was made via Element. (fight fire with fire basically)
Forerunners had to make 8 whole ass planet sized rings to be able to wipe out the whole galaxy just for the Flood to be killed off, as any previous attempts failed and they exhausted every other attempt.

[small rune]

Halo X Ark lore

[brazen sparrow]

Why does it always come to this

[small rune]

Though tbh forerunners we’re just dumb af
Why keep backups of what you tried to purge
It’s the equivalent of sweeping the dust under the rug

[bold dove]

I believe one of the books explained that this was due to the fact that the flood made them believe a cure was possible. So the Forerunners put a few specimens into stasis for future generations to possibly make a permenant cure.

[low briar]

There already was a permanent cure 🔥

[low briar]

Is that referencing Cortana spilling the beans to Gravemind between H2 and 3? I always figured that was due to her starting to go rampant

Or was there other instances? I haven't played any Halos after 3

[bold dove]

Mendicant Bias (I forgor how to spell his name) was the Forerunners super AI that controlled literally everything they did.
But yes, while I don't think confirmed. It's pretty apparent that the Gravemind would've tried to give her the logic plague.
Add that with her starting to go rampant, and you have a very soon to be dead AI.

[low briar]

Gotcha

But yeah, even without full lore knowledge of the Flood, they are easily the much greater threat over Corruption

[bold dove]

Oh no, we have quite a bit of knowledge via books.

[low briar]

I meant me, personally - not having played all the games or read the books

[bold dove]

The fact that the Flood are mutated forms of the universes equivalent of gods kind of already fucks us over.

[ornate hull]

Because gen 2 is basically halo

[dapper furnace]

coruptions more dangerous.

atleast you can point a gun at the flood

we dint know how it spreads so your already infected

[bold dove]

You can also point a gun with corruption via a 12 gauge.

Also, we do know how it spreads. We just don't know how it started.

[dapper furnace]

the actual corrupted creatures. yes. not the infection

[bold dove]

Bruh.
The King Titan is the physical manifestation of Corruption. He's literally a walking target.

[dapper furnace]

the flood was a parasitic virus that just spreads via attachment to the host / spores.

[bold dove]

It has a LOT more ways to spread other then those.

[dapper furnace]

his a creature made of smaller creatures like coral

[bold dove]

English please.

[dapper furnace]

king titan = alot of small animals

[bold dove]

It isn't.

[dapper furnace]

corruption is distorted tek?

and tek is made of micro-creatures

[bold dove]

Element*
There's a solid difference.
Tek is just a technology tier. which uses Element within. Which actually kills any chances of said Element to become Corrupted. (hints why Sanctuary isn't just a Corrupted hellscape.)
Element isn't also micro-organisms. Nowhere is that stated.

[dapper furnace]

tek is a living foreign metal, it eats, breeds and reproduces

tek creatures.

theres no flesh under that metal its all moving wires-

[bold dove]

The existence of tek creatures are never mentioned in canon. So them being canon is debatable.
But also, as seen with HLN-A, the ARK universe has the ability to replicate organic behaviors within robotics.
Tek isn't a living metal, it's dead Element.
Tek is an alloy that humanity created 'with' Element.
Think you're getting Tek and Element mixed up.

[dapper furnace]

there the same thing to me wtf xD

so tek is just element infused metal?

[bold dove]

Then you're completely wrong

[bold dove]

Yep, it's an alloy

We make tek.

[dapper furnace]

So theres nothing different apart from ones a solid and ones a liquid- right :]

[bold dove]

As seen with making tek structures with metal 'and' Element.
But it kills the Element in the process.

[bold dove]

There's no liquid tek. That's liquid Element, if you're talking about the purple rivers on Aberration.

[dapper furnace]

im leaving before i get a headache

[bold dove]

It'd be like if Iron was alive, and we used iron and copper to make bronze. But the iron dies in the process to make bronze.

[dawn stirrup]

Since mods are gonna be on ASA, which ones do yall think would feel the most natural/make the most sense to have ingame lore wise, if that makes sense?

[brazen sparrow]

None

No mods will ever make any sense lorewise, because they're mods

[dense ice]

I'd have to disagree: Explorer Notes Plus 😛

It adds voice over to Mei-Yin, Nerva, John Dakheya, Rai, Diana, and the grad student's notes.

So what you said is categorically false.

[brazen sparrow]

Eh, I'll allow it

That would technically make sense as they already have some of the old notes voiced, even though it makes little sense as to why we hear the long dead voices of people we never met or meet

[dense ice]

Depends what you mean by "sense" haha

if you're talking about realism, there is a lot that doesnt make sense with this game overall

so I'm a little confused

[brazen sparrow]

Lorewise/realism kind-o sense, yeah

But you got me, there's one mod that could feasibly fit if they don't already do that to all the notes as a base added feature 👀

Here's where I'd put the Little Caesars ad gif of the guy taking off his shirt yelling "there's one rule!"

IF I HAD ONE

[dense ice]

There are plenty more, surely

Character based armor skins

Expanded ruins of locations mentioned in the notes

[brazen sparrow]

But those don't canonically exist in-universe when we explore the maps at the time we do, no?

The ruins are decayed as they are because of time, and the clothes likely did the same and withered away (shout out to my boy Withers)

[bold dove]

Any mods that add real world dinosaurs wouldn't be necessarily breaking the canon.

[brazen sparrow]

If it's not a dinosaur species confirmed to be preserved either on the Arks or in the ship/The System/etc, then imo it would break canon

[dapper furnace]

i mean it would be...

The overseers are constantly seeking balance among the arks.

adding a random species could throw the ecological balance through the window- in which case it would start again lol

The only reason i can find that the overseer adds new creatures to the island ark is that its experimenting

like the char char and giga bug

[bold dove]

They don't care for ecological balance. That's why they threw wyverns and mantises to a whole city just to wipe it out

[dapper furnace]

the scorched earth overseer was balancing the atmosphere

Wyverns create a unique obstacle for the suvivors thus they kept them

[bold dove]

It wasn't about balance. It was cause the Nosti survivors mastered survival, which the side objective for the ARK's is to push humans constantly under stress to force them to evolve and adapt.

[dapper furnace]

the overseer is just an advanced creator playing jurassic world evolution without buildings 💀

[bold dove]

You may have to reread the lore.

[brazen sparrow]

That's unironically what I've been saying to everyone here the past few days 😂

[bold dove]

The overseer of Scorched sunk Nosti into the sand cause they kept fighting off everything the overseer threw at them.
It had to cheat to destroy the city, to force survivors to actually 'survive' again.

[dapper furnace]

Why have dodo's?

[bold dove]

Food.

[dapper furnace]

to feed the dilophosaurs right? 😐

why have parasaurs or any herbivores

to feed the carnivores of the island

Its keeping balance

[brazen sparrow]

It's really not, please reread the lore

[bold dove]

Let me correct myself.
The ARK's are 'simulating' a ecological environment. But it doesn't at all mean they care for it.
If they cared for balance, then creatures that canonically can't breed would've been long extinct. A whole arctic region wouldn't be near a tropical beach, etc.

[dapper furnace]

[bold dove]

If you build a city on The Island that all survivors can chill in, the Overseer is going to flood the whole ARK.

Cause it defeats the side objective of the ARK's.
Which is again, to push humanity to evolve. (main objective is to preserve life. But this is via recycling life itself as in carbon and the database. So killing life isn't an issue, as the collection of the creature database and having enough carbon to recycle for new creatures is.)

[dapper furnace]

Its An Ark

A vessel for life to flourish. its caring for the ecosystem for the arks to return to the earth and repopulate the planet. it has to maintian the artic biomes as well as every other regional climate within its body.

[bold dove]

Again, reread the lore. Please.

[dapper furnace]

google the meaning of ark

[bold dove]

Doesn't mean the game fully goes on that definition.

[dapper furnace]

its basicly is

[brazen sparrow]

Google the lore first lmao

[bold dove]

🤦

[brazen sparrow]

Please

[dapper furnace]

im only focusing on the island here

all the other arks have there own lore. and reasoning

[bold dove]

Overseer have very robotic mindsets.
Life in the most broadest term, is just carbon.
Life as in a indivisual, isn't important. It's the carbon they're made out of that is.
If I where to kill a human on an ARK, the overseer wouldn't care as they can reuse the carbon from the corpse to make a new human. That's what they're preserving.

[brazen sparrow]

No duh, but the project as a whole is all-encompassing and is laid out in The Island's lore/notes

[dapper furnace]

i never said the overseer cared

its just keeping ecological balance within the arks

[brazen sparrow]

Except it isn't

[dapper furnace]

its keeping balance on the island

[bold dove]

You're trying to say the point of the ARK's is to preserve life.
The 'life' you're thinking isn't what the overseers are preserving at all. They're preserving more of carbon to be able to recycle into new life.

[dapper furnace]

[bold dove]

Again, please reread the lore.

[dapper furnace]

thats the cycle of life

its not there to preserve a soul

its there to keep ecological balance

[brazen sparrow]

That's not it's objective at all, please reread the lore, I'm done here

[bold dove]

Issue is, the definition of an Ark that you listed does mean preserving indivisuals to help with future generations. Not the concept of just recycling carbon

[brazen sparrow]

Deuces 🖖

[dapper furnace]

what are you writing a book,
the arks preserve life

that the whole bloody purpose

in order to preserve life it must keep ecological balance

[bold dove]

The biblical Ark didn't preserve carbon. It persevered a male and female of every species for them to be able to reproduce later on.
Biblical Ark (which is the definition you're trying to use) key focus was to preserve individual life.
The ARK's in ARK: Survival Evolved do not in fact care about individual life, and don't preserve them. Making the definition of the original Ark term a bit butchered. As the overseers have a more robotic/objective mindset towards that definition.

[dapper furnace]

i never mentioned noahs ark

the definition of an Ark is a life boat

[bold dove]

Yet again, the ARK's don't have to.
Nothing on Scorched can reasonably survive in a real ecosystem. Helena flat out states this.
It's curated by the overseer so no species goes extinct.

[dapper furnace]

never stated in what way

[bold dove]

Noahs Ark is what the word 'Ark' came from.

[dapper furnace]

Its a life boat for seperate species/ biome specific life

as the island isnt big enough to harbour all of it

[bold dove]

Please reread this message.
Again, they're 'simulating' a ecosystem. By no means at all do they follow the rules or keep balance to the ARK's.
If there was an ecological balance. Then there wouldn't be more carnivores then herbivores, as that'd destroy any ecosystem.

[dapper furnace]

i was about to write something stupid...

then realised. You can have an entire ecosystem of all carnivores.

its still keeping balance.

[bold dove]

You literally can't. 💀
Name one ecosystem on Earth that has only carnivores.

[dapper furnace]

Pre-Triassic period.

All carnivores. nothing herbivorous evolved yet.

[bold dove]

So everything pre trassic period, correct?

[dapper furnace]

Its possible to have an all carnivores biosphere

[bold dove]

Answer the question

[dapper furnace]

pre-triassic

[bold dove]

You mean Permian era? Cause I can't find anything about an official 'pre-trassic' period

[dapper furnace]

gonna make me google it huh

[bold dove]

I already am trying to

[bold dove]

Or do you mean early trassic?

[dapper furnace]

it was before any terrestrial animals evolved

Everything on land was just insects.

the pulmoscorpion came from this period

[bold dove]

"Dicynodonts first appeared in Southern Pangaea during the mid-Permian, ca. 270–260 million years ago, and became globally distributed and the dominant herbivorous animals in the Late Permian, ca. 260–252 Mya. They were devastated by the end-Permian Extinction that wiped out most other therapsids ca."

Also, arthropleura's are heavily theorized to be more or less really simular to modern millepedes. Which if that's the case, means they ate decaying wood. Making them a herbivore.

[dapper furnace]

your making me relive my university days lmao

[bold dove]

"It's possible that the fossils were just preserved together by accident, so we can't be certain the plants were actually Arthropleura's last meal. However, if its diet was similar to that of modern-day millipedes, it is likely to have lived on plant remains, seeds and spores."

From everything I'm reading, it's basically currently accepted that arthro's where herbivores. Until we can find something else to prove it wrong

[dapper furnace]

wasnt there a fossil of an arthopleura eating a meganeaura

idk i didnt too much into bugs

[bold dove]

Nothing is showing up when I google this, so I don't know

Everything is pointing that they where herbivores though.

[dapper furnace]

im trying to remember the name of that amphibious critter

it was ths split point for reptiles and amphibians

Hylonomus

[bold dove]

You have to remember that eating carnivorerous meat can be hazardous to any animal. It's why you don't see predators hunt other predators unless they're starving.
Predators instinctually eat herbivores/omnivores, as they're less likely to hold viruses, and have already ate nutrients the predators needs to survive that they can't digest. (grains, fiber, etc.)

[dapper furnace]

that goes for mainly mammals.

[bold dove]

While earlier times might've gotten away with this with not being as many illnesses evolved yet to take advantage of this, especially when everything was just cells. Life has evolved now that eating carnivorous meat can be hazardous.

[dapper furnace]

reptilian immunity systems are better in nearly everyway.
From internal stomach acids to white blood cells are alot more active in reptiles

[bold dove]

Correct. But as you stated 'mainly' is the key word. It still applies to everything to a degree.
And if you're trying to simulate a balanced environment. It wouldn't have purely carnivores. Unless you're simulating a cell environment.

[dapper furnace]

I wanna say something but its kinda promoting my own game

[bold dove]

Back to the original topic. No, the ARK's aren't trying to be ecologically balanced. It is flat out stated in the notes that they aren't trying to be, they're just trying to simulate an ecosystem to fool people that are idiots that can't understand they're on an artifical environment with the floating alien spires.

[dapper furnace]

ah shit i did take inspiration minorly

too late to change it.. oh well 💀

[bold dove]

Taking inspiration isn't an issue. It's basically copying an idea and calling it your own that is.

[dapper furnace]

Does a floating continent that slams back into the earth (specifically the ocean) causing it to be a broken island relate back to ark in any way?💀

[bold dove]

Actually, not really.

That's decently unique.

[low briar]

Not so much to Ark as it does to dozens of other games

FF6, Sonic and Knuckles (and a handful of Sonic games)

[dapper furnace]

i've never played any sonic games...

[bold dove]

Are whole games set on that concept, or where they just used as ending set pieces?

[low briar]

Only as an ending in one, but the sequel/part two rose it back up

[dapper furnace]

this isnt the main plot this is the prologue

happened 90yrs before any of the main story :/

[low briar]

I wouldn't exactly call it unique though

[dapper furnace]

alright

[bold dove]

Eh, more it's fairly interesting.

Also ARK's plot was inspired by many media pieces.

[dapper furnace]

its a man made continent. War happens, it crashes into a shallow sea. 90yrs later that island is a hellzone

[bold dove]

The whole concept of Element was kind of ripped from a book series called 'The Expanse'
Even have mutants that look just like corrupted humans, just blue instead of purple.
ARK's are of course inspired by Noahs Ark, but also the concept of preserving life to find a way to help fight off a virus is straight up a full on sci-fi version of the Maze Runners plot.
And they even stated on stream Extinction's whole gimic of 'meks vs titans' was inspired by Pacific Rim.

[dapper furnace]

huh.. didnt know any of that

[bold dove]

Oh, and lets not forget the fact that we're literally on a ship version of a halo shaped ring on Genesis-2. With a biomass hivemind slowly spreading on the rings, that can also convert humans into mutated fleshy monsters, using their own bones as weapons.
Sound familiar?

[dapper furnace]

Okay im just gonna ask this cuz your pfp has been intriguing to me. is that an upside down allosaur 💀

[dapper furnace]

havent played halo since 4. but yeah it does lmao

[bold dove]

Ironically, no. It's some other dinosaur that a friend was 3D modeling. But yes, it is in fact upside down for the funny.

[low briar]

Bioshock!
No wait
Gars of War!

[bold dove]

Bioshock?!?
That game had close to zero full on monsters. Mostly just humans on drugs.

[dapper furnace]

me with 40debuffs in fallout all of them relating to addiction:

[low briar]

-Insert pop culture game reference here-

[dapper furnace]

i mean tbh i've taken inspiration from the apex legends character Octane 💀

[bold dove]

Oh, and lets not forget that while unconfirmed. The ending of Extinction really reminds me of the ending of Gears of War 3.
With all of the lambent like creatures that look like corrupted creatures being Thanos snapped from a EMP blast that goes around the whole planet.

[dapper furnace]

not the metal legs, his ability to stab himself with a stimulant

[dapper furnace]

i always thought the astrowhales were the cratures from avengers infinity war

the giant armoured air whales lol

[bold dove]

I see no similarities personally.

[dapper furnace]

their movement reminds me of them

[bold dove]

But point stands ARK takes a lot of inspiration from a lot of other media pieces.

And it was able to form an interesting plot out of it.

[dapper furnace]

Okay so like... does a corporation bent on earths revival. end up creating monsters for the sake of recreating earth? 💀

[bold dove]

So yeah, being inspired by something is find if not great. As it breeds creativity.
Just make sure to modify it enough that it's your own idea of course.

[dapper furnace]

is that similar to anything?

[bold dove]

The fact a corporation actually wants to revive Earth is unique, but also unrealistic.

I'm kidding on the latter part

-Ish.

[dapper furnace]

its set in the near future. war is globally agreed as illegal

any war weapons were scrapped.

overpopulation is a massive threat.

Humans keeo inventing new ways in to keep themselves off the brink of extinction for that extra time.

[bold dove]

Ah yes. The money printing is illegal.
But hey, generally a good idea/optimism for the future.

[dapper furnace]

all animals go extinct. so a bio corp decides to create monsters to destroy the mass's

[bold dove]

Reminds me of Subnautica's universe that all weapons are illegal outside of military use.

[dapper furnace]

wipe humans off its face and rebuild a future for the planet

The whole floating continent thing

thats fully populated with humans and stuff

before the world went dark the corp set off a global emp. causing the continent to slam down 💀

thats all im gonna say

dm me for more info cuz im not gonna spam past what i've done lol

[south raft]

What if Pangea was an Ark?

how cool would that be bro

[versed stump]

Big ass map

[south raft]

fr

[dawn stirrup]

Maybe I should’ve rephrased…perhaps vanilla-esque would be the better term? Like, something that feels like it could be implemented in the base game, therefore making it canonical

[dawn stirrup]

Would I be correct in assuming that you made or were involved with this mod?

[dense ice]

I created it

[dawn stirrup]

Sick

Will it be free on Asa?

[dense ice]

Oh I hadn't considered- totally forgot.

Yeah if I remaster it, it will be free.

Though I assume WC will go and add their own VO for all the characters

[dawn stirrup]

Gotcha

[brazen sparrow]

Understandable, so you mean like lore adjacent then? That's fair. I'm no lore purist, but with the... activity in here lately, I hope you can see why I replied as I did 😅

[tough crag]

Sad this the deaddest channel

[thorn ore]

not really

#poglin-polls is more dead

[tough crag]

I can't type in poglin polls tho

[thorn ore]

i too

[thorn ore]

skill issue
just become a mod

[tough crag]

So ark is a very interesting game interms of lore

[thorn ore]

i know

i dont know

[tough crag]

Quetz solos

[thorn ore]

my favorites are trike/voidwyrm/quetz

[lament raft]

because having a stryder makes harvesting pretty much anything a breeze

[thorn ore]

that just breaks the entire grind

[lament raft]

it makes pretty much any other harvester completely trivial and useless

[thorn ore]

where grind

[lament raft]

depending on what you're doing it's still a grind

i like to build big bases and that takes a lot of stuff to make them

i've used the cannon one to tame space whales and golems

otherwise they're pretty pvp focused

[thorn ore]

theres sth like a cannon rig iirc

you might be able to use that, idk

or kris just put a cannon on the platform

[lament raft]

the ones with the chest cannon

they can be used the same way you would use actual cannons or the Mek's cannon

[thorn ore]

thats what i thought

sth cannon rig i think

[lament raft]

it's not the most ideal thing to use for them since the chest cannon has a bit of splash damage

[thorn ore]

the cannon does as well

[lament raft]

yeah

though the cannon stryder is easier to move into place

and aim

[thorn ore]

voidwyrm best of them all, trike looks coolest imo and i dont know why i like the quetz so much its in 3d

[lament raft]

plus if you have one with those face guns it gives you an easy way to ping the golem or whale, since the guns do like barely any damage it can aggro them and bring them to you

i like the voidwyrm but the breath is next to useless in pve

[thorn ore]

tek wyvern go brr

idk

they have large turning radius, cant imagine a cspin on a wyvern/voidwyrm

tf

quick question
what is blaze targeting on a phoenix

pretty useful on pve imo

[lament raft]

blaze targeting is basically auto-target

it'll aimbot the fireball to the nearest target rather than where you're aiming at

[thorn ore]

thats cool ill activate that

can i use the phoenix to percent burn the manticore

they are a forge, campfire, almost all resource gatherer, light source, actually faster than a wyvern/pteranodon, can kill stuff from above, regains stamina mid-air while mounted, deals damage to riders, deals percent based damage, poops silica/black pearls
even deals percent damage to golems

[lament raft]

they're not really worth the effort to tame them imo

[thorn ore]

if you randomly find one you dont need to do much

[lament raft]

voidwyrm is pretty pvp based it seems

[thorn ore]

A: i do
B: fire wyvern go brrr

[lament raft]

it doesn't stun enemy mounts/players?

[thorn ore]

i found a level 54 phoenix randomly stuck in a rock glitched outside a heatwave, built a little cage there, parked my fire wyvern next to it and basically just did other stuff until the next heatwave

[thorn ore]

it does

[lament raft]

seems pretty useful for pvp then

[thorn ore]

dismount, torpor, infinite stun, decent damage

yeah

[lament raft]

like the poison wyvern, good for pvp kinda bad for pve

[thorn ore]

ok

[tough crag]

Voidwyrm Is a pvp tame

[lament raft]

the breath does next to no damage but the bite is strong

[thorn ore]

fuck you wiki

[lament raft]

are you using wiki or .gg

[thorn ore]

https://ark.wiki.gg

[lament raft]

k

voidwyrm has more base damage than a rex

[thorn ore]

bite
regular wyvern does as well though

actually wyvern and voidwyrm have the same base bite

at 80 damage

[lament raft]

same stats

across the board

[thorn ore]

megamek has best base melee at 3000 damage

[lament raft]

maybe but you can only use megamek against the KT

[thorn ore]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lament raft]

carch gets incredibly OP with its bloodlust buff

i've used one to solo the forest and ice titans

[thorn ore]

you mean killing stacks?

[lament raft]

yeah

[thorn ore]

can deal more damage than giga with same stats at ~80 or more

[lament raft]

mhmm

after a few mutations my carch was dishing out 12k per hit

[thorn ore]

i had one unmutated at 3k per hit with max stacks

[lament raft]

and their fast heal lets them tank most anything

ice titan, purple OSD

[thorn ore]

theyre the better gigas anyway

[lament raft]

it got to the point where my hand was hurting because i was clicking so much so i downloaded an auto clicker

[thorn ore]

logitech g hub go brr

[tough crag]

Single player settings?

[brazen sparrow]

We get it, things go brr

[thorn ore]

if you dont like what im saying either ignore or block me

easy as that

you sure he got all the killing stacks

additionally "better" doesnt always mean "can kill this"

[dawn stirrup]

Yeah, pretty much

And no worries, I understand

[lament raft]

no it was on a server

[fallow sapphire]

Honestly doesn’t surprise me, i got a poor melee imprinted carch up to 2k damage, so have a good melee with a few mutations and it’ll go far

[tough crag]

I m still amazed u could beat scorched earth and island in 100 days it took me 200 days to beat island 😆

And like 35 for scorched

[fallow sapphire]

Lotta luck and know how to accommodate for lack of luck lol

[dawn stirrup]

Is the story of Towta in Singleplayer or multiplayer? Like, which is the more likely scenario in the canon story?

[dapper furnace]

whats towta-

[dawn stirrup]

The one who tries again

The player

[dapper furnace]

honestly singleplayer

imo

the intro cutscene to the island, helena says "you" quite alot not really mentioning other people

and im singleplayer biased so

[dawn stirrup]

I mean, you can say “you” to a group of people

[dawn stirrup]

What do the rest of yall think?

[bold dove]

They're self insert characters, so not really.

Besides the fact they can't die, canonically eventually leave each ARK's and progress the story, and from the body language of the hand at the end of Genesis-2 somewhat cares about HLN-A

[brazen sparrow]

It's definitely a toss up imo, it could really go either way, like how the decision of whether or not the player is the same character between the Arks and the Genesis ship, it's really honestly written to be up to the player (and that's a good way to write it imo, it drives player engagement with the lore up quite a bit seeing as it let's you feel a sense of agency in the story about how you want to perceive it)

[dawn stirrup]

Not really what?

[bold dove]

Besides the few things I listed above, they basically are a silent protagonist that has no character that you can make anything out of them. Which includes self inserting yourself as The One Who Tries Again.

[dawn stirrup]

I just asked if the story of the player takes place in singleplayer or multiplayer

[bold dove]

I just scrolled up and realized this.
Anyway, The One Who Waits I believe stated something about being in either a group or being solo. So I believe it's up to you.

But I believe the story more takes place in multiplayer, since you can see humans walking out of the ARK's at the end of Extinction.

[dawn stirrup]

Gotcha

If only i could find a server where people actually built cool structures instead of giant metal boxes….

[south raft]

fr

[lament raft]

i'm reminded of the line from SAO abridged. "Do you know how many of you have thrown yourself off a CLIFF yelling 'LEROY JENKINS'?! More than zero!"

[rapid spruce]

Singleplayer as even HNLA always say Survivor not Survivors, not to forget The One Who Waits made Mega Mek to be usable by one person and not 4

But there ar either People around

But not those gifted with ability to respawn yet

Imagine their horrors when they see a person just appear again out of nowhere after they saw him or her get slaughtered by Raptors

[fallow sapphire]

Everyone has the ability to respawn, it wasn’t a gift to one survivor

The One Who Waits also refers in her chronicles and extinction notes to the fact it can be just us, or more then just us

[bronze turtle]

Wtf in gen 1, the Master controler transfert minds of survivors in dinotars ?? ( in the boss battle )

[bronze turtle]

I thinks its various. In solo, its one survivor, in multiplayerr its all survivors who respawn

[brazen sparrow]

No, it's all survivors that respawn regardless of mode. Helena-Deus slowly but surely changed the coding of the Arks to allow survivors to be able to respawn, and there's no way she'd limit it to just one person and let all the others die off permanently like Santiago and the rest of the tek tribe did

[shadow abyss]

Neddy newest upload was very goodd

[rapid spruce]

its numerous tries over one person, then a group, then a clan then whole generation, so there is possibitly that we spawn either with a group or alone

[tough crag]

I agree

[fallow sapphire]

the one who waits note #7 and #8 talk about it, specifically about how she reprogrammed The System to allow survivors to respawn

Also The One Who Waits Chronicles note #8

[brazen sparrow]

The lore is there, I'm a little busy rn

[broken star]

It's kind of like MMO logic