lore-nerdz

[fallow sapphire]

Well like i said, seeing as the main purpose was to purge Earth’s corruption, you would assume they would have the same thing on a minor scale for the ARK’s themselves

At lower toxicity levels it would be easier to destroy

[valid gale]

hold up are you saying that the devs belive this thing can creat giant bulking bethomoths and wipe out humanity but that they cant break a few space stations in earth orbit?

[fallow sapphire]

I mean, there is a difference between giant hulking beasts and destroying space stations

[valid gale]

yes i agree with that and i imagen they system broke when the aberation bomb went off

[valid gale]

could thorw a big rock at them

[fallow sapphire]

I don’t think thats how that works…

[valid gale]

thats all an astriod is

[fallow sapphire]

Whatever throws it would have to have a crap ton of force to escape atmosphere

[valid gale]

big rock with a lot of momentumum

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah but it’s different when its leaving atmosphere

[valid gale]

true, perhapas a more realistic idea would be somthing like the gun from subnurtica

i mean wat the element had 200+ years?

[fallow sapphire]

And to that extent, corruption can’t take over inorganic constructs, or so it seems

[fallow sapphire]

And I would assume far longer then that

[valid gale]

agreed i jsut use 200 years as a low estimate

[gusty turret]

The size it would have to be to not burn up and the velocity at which it would have to be thrown😭

[valid gale]

humens got the arks off the ground while underthreat of being wiped out from element

element has centrys on its own with no opasistion

and complet control of the planet bar the city

which im frankly suprised it hasent destroye

i mean are you telling me the enforcers could stop the king titan going in and leveling it godzilla stly

[gusty turret]

But the difference between a shielded structure and a rock is massive

[valid gale]

sorry i dont follow?

[gusty turret]

A structure built to resist leaving/re-entering the atmosphere compared to a rock

[valid gale]

true

apolgies it would not have to be a rock

just anything of enought pass that flying into an ark destroys it

i mean hell does not even have to completly destroy it just do enought damage to make it like aberatioon

i know theere is enough good arks to purge the aberation ark

[fallow sapphire]

Aberrations damage was internal

[valid gale]

that wasent the bomb?

sorry i might have my lore wrong

[fallow sapphire]

They would have set up some plan to take a meteor for the ARK’s

[gusty turret]

The issue still is anything powerful enough to throw anything at over 11 km per second

[fallow sapphire]

Yes but my point is it wasn’t an external meteor or anything that hit it, it was an internal explosion that destroyed it

[valid gale]

i wounder how fast a rock could get going if the king titan shot puted one

[valid gale]

true

i wounder why they ever lanched the arks in the first place

if they had the tech to purge element

[gusty turret]

Probably not near fast enough to leave the atmosphere and hit an ark

[fallow sapphire]

To keep creatures from getting out, and corruption from getting it

I can’t remember where, but it is stated

[valid gale]

so like a bio safe space

[fallow sapphire]

Its either one who waits notes or HLN-A notes/discoveries

[valid gale]

huh thats cool

in that case i wounder if the arks would stay sealed until all the elements been purged and then open up

[gusty turret]

Because they couldn't purge such high levels and hoped the element would recede over time

[valid gale]

ah thanks im assuming it did

[gusty turret]

It didn't at all until we killed the king

[valid gale]

so killing the king brought the element levels down to somthing the arks can handle and thus they disended

the aberatio ark came down rockwell leged it to the colony ship and i assube aberation got purged

intresting that each ark holds enought eleemnt to beceomoe like abertation

[gusty turret]

The colony ship was god knows how many light-years away, he legged it to arat prime and uploaded to the simulation like a computer virus

[fallow sapphire]

Very few did (possibly even only aberration). It’s mentioned that the ARK was testing what survivors would do with element, or possibly what element would do with survivors

[valid gale]

good for him man

[fallow sapphire]

But not all arks hold that much element

[valid gale]

i mean look i know hes evil but mans some kind of genius

[valid gale]

oh cool man ive got to read up on this stufff

[gusty turret]

I wouldn't say hes a genius

[valid gale]

ok maby not

but he did magange to get i feel as close to god hood one can achive in the ark universe

i think had he got to the planet

it would have taken somthing destroying the planet to kill him

to easy to bury a part of himself somehere in the crust

like he did on ab

which is i asusme how he survived?

we killed one part of him but there was a second part else where?

likly a much weaker part though

[gusty turret]

I mean if godhood=mental corruption, mortality, and just being able to access the already existent gene codes they had to experiment on them i guess

[gusty turret]

Not true, the ground began to crack under him as Mei Yin fought him and he fell to the pit we fight him in

[gusty turret]

He became the overseer of the station so he can respawn just like the overseer on the island and scorched can

[valid gale]

ah

wow they really really broke aberration dident they

[gusty turret]

Yep

[valid gale]

i mean wow

its like a text book example of what an ark shouldent be

[valid gale]

wait sorry i though he created the shadowmanes and noglins from scratch?

is that not the case?

[fallow sapphire]

K lets be honest here… Scorched is a coward, doesn’t even want to respawn again

[valid gale]

sorry what?

[fallow sapphire]

In no sense have we ever seen anyone fight the scorched overseer

Both in notes and personally

Which means he’s a coward

[gusty turret]

Does Raia not count?

[valid gale]

sirusly?

how did they asend form SE then?

[fallow sapphire]

She fought the manticore, she never fought the overseer

[valid gale]

is the manticore not the oversear?

[fallow sapphire]

No it’s just a guardian, like the broodmother, megapithecus, and dragon on the island

[valid gale]

oh wow

so the SE oversear just dosent get involved

unless its like wipig out a setalment

[gusty turret]

Its odd that the overseer can decide things like that tbh

How many guardians, how to ascend, etc

Unless the manticore does just get rewritten as scorched's overseer which i wouldn't hate

[valid gale]

nither woud i frankly

i was just massivly suprised to find ot they achuly gave us an SE assenton cutscean waas a nice suprise when killing the manticore for the first time

[fallow sapphire]

Ascension coming after Manticore is honestly stupid

We have 2 confirmed kills on the manticore, both of which never left

[bold dove]

Yeah, as cool as the ascension is. The execustion of it being from the Manticore is both lackluster and makes no fucking sense.

If guardians allow you to ascend. Than why didn't no one with the 'three' fucking guardians on The-Island ascend?

It's also confirmed in the notes that Scorched 'does' have a form of a Hall-of-History.

Really hope they touch on that more with ASA and give an actual Hall-of-History on Scorched.

[fallow sapphire]

Likewise

[gusty turret]

I don't think Rockwell's been sleeping much. I awoke last night to find him studying a strange piece of metal by firelight. I guess some tribe gave it to him as a gift, along with a very familiar looking artifact.

I insisted that we show those items to Wali, and she recognized them as the property of this station's lone guardian. With all that she knows, I'm not surprised that she's activated the obelisks before. Hell, it sounds like the old battle ax has even slain the beast herself!

Since we have said guardian's artifact, Wali says that we can leave this station at any time. I suppose we may as well. Rockwell's eager to depart, and as much as I like Wali, I've had my fill of sand.

Simply put, because thats just how scorched is

The transporter that can take us back to the "control center" station is in the ruins of another city, south of the mountains. Wali believes that it was destroyed by the obelisks, just like the city in the southeast.

I didn't press her for details, not that I'd have gotten any. Wali's more tight lipped about those ruins than anything. I had to practically beg her to take me to the southeastern city, and while we were there, she spent most of her time just gazing out into the distance.

No sense in bringing her mood down with that rubbish now. After all that she's done for me, I'd like give her a nice, proper farewell

[gusty turret]

Tbh from what we know its possible that the island survivors could've stayed there but they were just too careless in messing with the interface

[bold dove]

I believe the case with The-Island is just for gameplay sake.
We already had to click one button just to teleport to the Hall-of-History. Shouldn't really need to push another just to start the ending ascension.
Kind of akin to how we always have to fight the Overseer of The-Island, while Helena and Rockwell just walked past everything seemingly without fighting.

And I believe in the case of the Manticore ascension, it could be also gameplay.
Only issue with that, is the fact that after I asked Peter-Fries "is the fact the Manticore allows ascension just a gameplay feature?" on Twitter, he responded with "It's what we thought it'd be a good placement for it was."

Soooooo......that kind of just sounds like either him or someone else that made the call thought that was a good placement for the ascension, even if it goes against what the notes states.....

[gusty turret]

Who is we

He wasn't there when that part of the story was decided???

[bold dove]

The lore is a collaborative effort

[gusty turret]

Yeah but according to the notes thats just how its always been

[bold dove]

People pitch their ideas to the writer, and they make it work or don't work.

[bold dove]

This is how Rockwell as the villain became a thing. Marc admitted it was someone else that had the idea, not him.

Since Marc planned to kill off Rockwell I believe on Scorched.

[gusty turret]

The ascension scene really just skips going to the terminal and transferring, like the island scene skips the interface, why wouldn't he just say because thats how it is in the lore instead of saying because thats where they thought it would fit

[bold dove]

Your guess is as good as mine. 🤷‍♂️

[gusty turret]

Where else would it fit thats literally the only place it could be

[bold dove]

Would've still been more interesting if they added a Scorched-themed Overseer. But that'd only work if they added one or two more Guardians.

[gusty turret]

I don't mind the not having a scorched overseer fight

We've already fought the overseer once, itd be basically the same thing over again

[bold dove]

And?
We fight Rockwell literally 3 fucking times. 💀
You can make each fight different though, like Rockwell.

[gusty turret]

It wouldn't make sense for the overseers though

Rockwell is encountered in 3 separate environments in 3 separate forms

The overseers are weird diamonds in a tek cave with cloning chambers drop pods etc

[bold dove]

Why wouldn't it?
Scorched is a more hellish and unforgiving ARK, and possibly even more degraded and malfunctioned than The-Island was.
Having to fight a malfunctioning/degraded Overseer in a tek-cave that represents said malfunction could be interesting.

[gusty turret]

I just don't think itd be interesting

[bold dove]

Also for new players, it'd be really fucking funny for them to get used to fighting the Overseers as final-bosses, only to get whiplashed from seeing the hellish-calamari demon that Rockwell is in a new boss arena.

[gusty turret]

I wouldn't consider fighting 2 overseers getting used to it

You still go directly into Rockwell after that

When you think about it Ark and Five nights at freddys are really similar

I won't be taking any questions on that statement btw, you can figure it out yourself

[valid gale]

hahahah how long did it take for us to get the asention 5 years 6? i wold be massivly suprised if SE got an oversear and hall of history dont get me wrong id love it

i just dont think its likly

[bold dove]

3-years for Early-Access.

And those 3-years where mostly focusing on finishing the game, not the ending

[valid gale]

true

[bold dove]

I believe it took two months between part-1 of the ascension where it added the tek-cave, and part-2 that added the Hall-of-History and Overseer.

[valid gale]

by the way does that make SE the only ark dlc to lanch without its assention cutscean?

[bold dove]

Yep, since until last year Scorched was the only story-map to not have an ending.

[valid gale]

oh they added that last year

thanks i was not sure when, when did we get the voiced notes?

[bold dove]

I believe the same update.

It was one large story-update that added the new ascension, voiced notes, and voiced Aberration Rockwell fight.

[valid gale]

ah cool

thanks it was a werid thing to find an explorer note and woudner why im hearing a woemns voice reading random dino infomatio no me

the prologs are cool though

[static sparrow]

Bro, have you actually gotten into the lore of FNAF?

It's not the same

[gusty turret]

It so is though

I just wondered elaborate

Its a revelation you have to discover on your own

[bold dove]

OOOOH!
I get it

Both have villians that wont stay dead.

[gusty turret]

Purple villains, at that

That killed a lot of people

Along with a special mystery metal

[bold dove]

Both thought they where betrayed by their former ally...

Holy fuck you're right.
FNAF and ARK do have a lot in common.

....what the fuck.

[gusty turret]

And both of which have a sequence that involves fighting the purple villain in a robot suit

Both of which purple villains were sealed away underground!!!!

[bold dove]

[gusty turret]

Both of which died due to a big fire/explosion

[bold dove]

Also, both had their A.I arcs.

[gusty turret]

Technically with the new AI arc its possible that it wasn't actually Springtrap in the basement that Gregory battled and it was just the mimic

The springtrap ending being canon is questionable at best

But thats just semantics

You see what im saying now

Ark is literally five nights at Freddy's

[bold dove]

I believe the current-lore is that the Mimic 'is' burntrap, which burntrap was what's-his-name from the VR-game, which was an A.I that was a scanned recreation of Williams brain which made it act just like William. With also the murder.

[gusty turret]

I believe its been said the mimic was around since the murders took place im not sure though

I haven't read all the fazbear frights to know every single little detail or anything

[bold dove]

The mimic and burntrap may not be connected, but I'm pretty sure burntrap 'is' an A.I recreation of William.

[gusty turret]

I think they're the same thing but i don't know if they're connected to William beyond the mimic just doing what the mimic does best

[bold dove]

Which is even more in line with ARK.
Cause technically, the CMC isn't purely Rockwell, but his avatar.
Just like how the A.I isn't William, but his successor.

[gusty turret]

Anand and William was trying to achieve immortality/godhood with the mystery metal can't forget that

[bold dove]

GlitchTrap, that's his name

That's the A.I construct that was recreated as a scanned version of William.

[gusty turret]

Remnant is the fnaf version of element

[bold dove]

You know, I don't mind the minor sci-fi stuff in the lore of FNAF. But stuff like remnant kind of makes no sense.

[gusty turret]

Its just what the metal is called of the endoskeletons that are possesed

It has special properties that I don't remember exactly what it does from the books

I haven't read the books in so long and i lost them, i need to rebuy them

[bold dove]

I don't read the books since they're not fully canon. So that may explain the confusion

[gusty turret]

Fnaf is a multiverse so they're all technically canon

[bold dove]

I believe Scott stated they're 'loose-canon' and described it as "the events in the books aren't canon, but the information they give is."

[gusty turret]

But they're also just useful vessels to fill in gaps in the main storyline while also telling another story

Using parallelism blah blah

[gusty turret]

So like Fries twitter posts?

In a way

[bold dove]

More like I believe what they're doing with the Animated-Series.

The retelling isn't the in-game canon story, but the new information they'll give us possibly is.

[gusty turret]

Its literally just fnaf with dinosaurs

[bold dove]

Kind of wished they rebooted the FNAF storyline after Pizzeria Simulator.
That game had the best fucking ending for a long-running series as FNAF is.

[gusty turret]

Oh and in the fiery ending the conclusion was the protagonist and antagonist locked in a fiery death with no escape

I consider Helena the protagonist, if that isn't too much of a stretch

[bold dove]

It kind of is, but for Wildcard's sake we can say that she is.

[gusty turret]

For the sake of comparing fnaf to ark she is

[gusty turret]

Yeah i feel that

[bold dove]

I love Marc statement of "I love to torture my most beloved characters."

So we see Mei and Diana having the most fucked up stories in the game.
While Helena dies for a moment than comes back as a god.
Feel like that tells you how he feels about them with his previous statement.

[gusty turret]

Kinda like that saying god gives his hardest battles to his strongest warriors or whatever

[gusty turret]

Mei was obviously by far the favorite

[bold dove]

Nah, just a writer-thing to give your favorite characters the most fucked up story for your own entertainment.
I started writing, and I get that now.

[gusty turret]

She lost both her lesbians and pets and everything else only to be reunited with one of them on a deserted planet

[bold dove]

Yep.
But ironically, she has one of the happiest endings in the game for having such a fucked story.

[gusty turret]

And hear me out Diana is like Charlie because she comes back as the protector

[bold dove]

Who the fuck is Charlie?

[gusty turret]

Thats also kind of a stretch but

Henry's child

The spirit in the puppet

[bold dove]

I thought the puppet was possessed by what's-his-names daughter?

Williams old friend

[gusty turret]

Yeah thats Henry

[bold dove]

Oh yeah.

[gusty turret]

To answer that question, yes, it has been on my mind for half of my life span and will continue to do so

Im trying to think of any other notable comparisons but I don't think there are any

Cmon pikmin don't ruin it agree with us

Oooo Vannessa is a lot like Nerva

Not Nerva

Gabriel, thats the one

Corrupted half personality that is set free by a younger person

Gabriel also could be Golden Freddy if you could find a connection besides having two minds trapped in one vessel

I rest my case

[brazen sparrow]

I love this new Ark lore

[valid gale]

rement?

[silent cape]

Take one look at game theory and you’ll see otherwise

[gusty turret]

I don't need to I know the lore

Bootleg is the biggest hater and i even got agreement there i think you guys are just in denial

[bold dove]

Hater?

[gusty turret]

Yeah

[bold dove]

Of what?

[gusty turret]

All my ideas

[bold dove]

Half of your ideas

[swift lily]

Is element sentient?

[bold dove]

Yes

[swift lily]

How so

[bold dove]

The entiretly of Corruption shows it.

[swift lily]

Is it artificial or biological?

[bold dove]

We don't know, but most likely biological.

[swift lily]

So element is biological hate filled sentient organism that humans used as fuel?

[bold dove]

Yerp

That's also a metal.

[swift lily]

And it destroyed earth and its people

[bold dove]

Yep

[swift lily]

How many people has it “killed”

[gusty turret]

Billions

[swift lily]

Hi Zer0

[bold dove]

The fact that it caused the entire planet to go Extinct should be telling ehough

[swift lily]

So everyone that isn’t in the Ark simulation is dead?

[bold dove]

Correct

[swift lily]

Damn

[bold dove]

The map Extinction is on Earth

[gusty turret]

Besides now questionably Mei and Diana

[swift lily]

How did it grab people from across time into the simulation?

[bold dove]

That's from the creators of the ARK's (while humans wheren't extinct on Earth yet) to resurrect them from the dead

[gusty turret]

They used futuristic technology to copy what is essentially the equivalent of the hunan soul

[bold dove]

I suggest watching the Survival-Stories by NeddytheNoodle if you want more questions answered.

[swift lily]

K

rockwell on his way to eat 40 pounds of element

[gusty turret]

Me after i make recipes from element dust

[valid gale]

could be biggy backing off the internat sentiance of the dinos

[bold dove]

Biggy?

You mean piggy?

[valid gale]

sorry typo

yes

[bold dove]

Also, no.
It alone is not only sentiant, but sapient.

Titans are the literal manifestations of Corruption

[valid gale]

i agree elemene can think and is self aware

i jsut think using the corupted dions as an exmaple may be slightly flawed

if a Disease cahnges the way a person acts we dont call the Disease sapient

also apologis for poor spelling

[bold dove]

Yeah, I have no idea what this is saying.

[valid gale]

sorry give me 2 seonds

any better?

im comparing the coruption of dinos by element to something being infected by a disease

[gusty turret]

Its not a disease though

Its a sentient hivemind

The creatures themselves aren't the original creatures anymore they are corrupted biomatter controlled by the hivemind

I would say it borders just being conscious though

[valid gale]

sorry i need to clarafy somthing i may be making a large mistake here

the corupted creatrus of exitionon were they at one point normal dinos like youd see in the city?

[bold dove]

Yes.

[valid gale]

so if im understanding this correcctly its less that it can think for its self and more that its kind of like a machine given a goal it can do stuff to achive said goal but thats the limits of its udnerstanding

[bold dove]

But Corruption itself is sapient.
If a virus took over a host and said virus was sapient, than yes the virus obviously would be sapient.

[valid gale]

not saying its a program machine just making a comparion to see if i understand this correctly or not :)

[bold dove]

That'd counter what hivemind even means

[gusty turret]

I don't know if the corruption has feelings though?

[bold dove]

Confirmed to feel hatred.

[valid gale]

sorry cant tell if thats a typo or what would you mind clarafying

[gusty turret]

The talk of malice is just a lot of poetic talk

[valid gale]

this is nice

[gusty turret]

Helena talks in riddles we know this

[bold dove]

Everything The-One-Who-Waits is poetic and riddles.
But they still have meaning.

[gusty turret]

Either that or she just isn't very bright

[valid gale]

would this be a more correct way to think of it?

[bold dove]

Than we can throw away 90% of what's been confirmed in the lore, since 'she's' the source of most confirmation.

Corruption isn't just a hivemind, but a collective-conscious.

[gusty turret]

No, it thinks for itself

[valid gale]

ok so hypotheticly at anypoint it could diside humanitys cool and wants to help

[gusty turret]

No

[valid gale]

it? im nto saying its romotly likly or even somthing theyd put in the games

[gusty turret]

Because its evil

[bold dove]

No, not anymore.

[valid gale]

sure but can evil peopel not become good people

[bold dove]

It isn't 'evil' purse.
Just hella aggressive.

[valid gale]

are you able to elaborate?

[gusty turret]

Not randomly with no plot development

[valid gale]

ah ya i see the issue here posbile

im referign to techneclys beyond whats plot likly or good plot righting

[bold dove]

Humanity used it as a source of fuel for a century or two years.
That'd piss me off too.

[valid gale]

id agree

[gusty turret]

We still don't know how that actually happened though so😋

[valid gale]

just if its on the same level of "alive" / sapiant as a person'

it coudl hypotehitcly diside humanitys cool and jsut forgive us

and for possibly using it as fule

[gusty turret]

But it wouldn't because thats not a reasonable plot development

[valid gale]

i agree

[bold dove]

While not confirmed the 'why' Corruption is formed from Element. It's likely that it's either A: the mature form of Element. B: acted out of self-defense like any other living-organism.

[valid gale]

its not romotly lily im just trying to see if im correctly understand the elements sentince and the rules were playing by

correctly

[gusty turret]

Does element grow in your tummy if you eat it since it self replicates

[bold dove]

And no, both of the two possibilities I gave basically means it'll never forgive us.

[valid gale]

cant make sense of it with out of it

[valid gale]

dont think it would

simply asking if its sentiant enought for it to be thecnnecly posible

[gusty turret]

It theoretically can but its a statistic impossibility

[bold dove]

Cause if it's theory-A, that means it's always meant to be aggressive.
If it's theory-B, it'd be like trying to convince a lion to not attack you after hurting them for years.

[valid gale]

ok cool thanks

that i can work with

[bold dove]

Sentiant and Sapients has nothing to do with forgiveness.

A reptile is sentiant, but you'll never see it forgiving you. Cause now you're a threat.

[valid gale]

i was trying to understand if it has a mind to change

[gusty turret]

Sentience and sapience are two separate things

sentient intelligence is based on emotions and sensations, sapient intelligence is based on knowledge and wisdom

[valid gale]

with all due respect with the level of medicak shenenagins we can do and the population of reptiles i really woudelnt make that statement

never is an extreamly strong work

[bold dove]

Correct.
If I recall right, Sentiance just means something is able to comprehend its environment and learn.
Ants are sentient.
Sapience is learning outside of the box, and being able to have independant thoughts from instincts.

[gusty turret]

Then theres also self awareness and consciousness

[valid gale]

ok follow up

[gusty turret]

Which humanity possesses all 4, sometimes at least

Self awareness is heavily debatable for some people

[bold dove]

💀

[valid gale]

if the element is on the same level of self awearness as a hume, beig able to think feel and all that jazz is it in contorl of corupted dinos?

and to a greater extent the titans?

[bold dove]

I don't even think it's sapient.

[gusty turret]

They aren't necessarily intelligent its much more primal rage

[bold dove]

It's more likely barely sentient, where it just runs on instincts.
And its instincts tells it 'hatred'

[gusty turret]

Aggressive primitive instincts

[valid gale]

so were dealing with kind of a nautre thing frm the happening

?

i know element may not be natural just seeing if i can find a comparison

[gusty turret]

Like how humans would go unga bunga and smash each others skulls in with rocks

[bold dove]

It's like pissing off a frog that is fucking dumb, but has the power of gods.

[valid gale]

so its inteligent enought to getangey and rember a face

and technecly but inlike to forgive us

[gusty turret]

I wouldn't say remember a face

[valid gale]

but not smart nought to say move the corupted dinos like troups

[gusty turret]

No no, they're extremely organized

[bold dove]

Yeah, if 'you' specifically did it wrong, than it'd probably gain great joy ripping you apart.

[valid gale]

ok but then were out of a frogs range of inteligance arnt we?

[gusty turret]

They have an established hierarchy😭

[valid gale]

siriuly nice

[bold dove]

Nope.

Frogs have the ability to know their owners faces.

[gusty turret]

The corruption is intelligent enough to organize but not intelligent enough to see through basic diversions etc

Or it may be intelligent enough but just too angry to care

[valid gale]

wow ok

[bold dove]

DOOM-Slayer wannabe

[valid gale]

i would love to see this things distribution of ingelitance

[valid gale]

we really screwwd the pooch on this one dident we

if we did use it as a fuel

walk about the hubres of man

[gusty turret]

Not really, its human nature

Wanting more better blah blah

Can't blame them for trying

[valid gale]

kinda poetic though we used our wepons to kill eachoughte on mass and thus gave rise to the very thing thay would nearly wipe us out

[bold dove]

We've already invented it.

It's called tactical nukes. 🦛

[valid gale]

before humening our way back to the top of the food chane

[valid gale]

ya but fortunaly last i checked thye dont hold a gruge and lanch them selves form thre own silos

[gusty turret]

We cheated death, and if i learned anything from final destination its that it always comes back around

[bold dove]

Wait till Skynet is invented

[valid gale]

ya thats why skynet is such a bit threat

its kinda the same consept we make wepons of war they turn agest us

i know we dident invent element but we certioinly usd it

[gusty turret]

The fact of the matter is any sufficiently intelligent civilization is bound to be the source of its own destruction

[bold dove]

Or did we. 🤔

[valid gale]

you refering to the great filter?

also isent that kidna of a strong assumtion to make having not encounted any real examples?

[gusty turret]

Its like that dumb theory saying we came from mars or whatever but we destroyed it and dont remember anything

[valid gale]

were still kicking

[gusty turret]

Kicking is all that can be said thats for sure

[bold dove]

The examples is the very real threat of our own governments killing us.

[valid gale]

thses govoments being?

[gusty turret]

All of them😭

[valid gale]

im not disagreing by the way

[bold dove]

Literally all of them.

[valid gale]

just curiois is there are spefici ones

[gusty turret]

America

Ez

[bold dove]

Russia has been doing nothing but threatning nuclear-warheads for the past 40-years.
Literally a whole fucking war was about that fact. 💀
the 'cold-war'

[gusty turret]

Whens the lukewarm war‼️‼️

[bold dove]

Lukewarm-war is the real-world version of Fallouts great-war.

[gusty turret]

Ooooo we get to annex Canada

[valid gale]

eh not russia but close enought

oh ya kinda a good poit anyone know of the fallout equivlant of this chat?

[valid gale]

dont forget mexico :)

[bold dove]

Great-filter is basically about 'are we before or after the filter?'
If nothing happens, than we're past it.
If we nuke ourselves into Extinction, than we where before it.

[valid gale]

ya thats the core consept

[gusty turret]

I like theories about space stuff

[valid gale]

not got to be nukes but ya that about covers it

[gusty turret]

Like the dark forest theory

[valid gale]

oww do tell

im not familler

[bold dove]

Well, technically it doesn't. But that's the most likely right now.

[bold dove]

Isn't that the theory that everything is hiding basically?

[valid gale]

ya if were placing bets of humen short term humen exition my moneys on nukes or something biological

[bold dove]

Basically, all life in the universe are hiding from a larger predator, and we're sending shit out to go 'HEY, we exist!!'

[gusty turret]

Yeah, out of fear of aggressive others

[bold dove]

It's what Dead-Space is based off of I believe.

[valid gale]

i am of the opion someone needs to go and get voyager NOW

[gusty turret]

Or we could be the only intelligent life in the galaxy, not saying its remotely plausible or anything but i wouldn't be surprised either

[bold dove]

Basically, the reason why we can't find life is cause one super-organism/race has been killing everything.

[valid gale]

we sent a little "heres where we are rheres what we look like" and just sent it into space

[bold dove]

Which ARK seems to had been leaning to this with Element, before Genesis 2 and ARK-2.

[valid gale]

like in absolotly anything?

[bold dove]

What?

[gusty turret]

Mass extinction events are so common its no real shocker

[valid gale]

i kinda woudl be honestly

i get its extreamly likly

[bold dove]

Actually, the fact that we could be the only technological species in the Milky-way can be likely.

[valid gale]

but there is a stupid number of stars out there

[bold dove]

Just cause there's like 200+ Earth-like planets, doesn't mean they have life as complex as ours.

[valid gale]

one of them somewhere has to beat the odds

i mean if its true we did

[gusty turret]

Isn't there some mysterious signal coming from the Andromeda galaxy irl like mass effect

[valid gale]

at least for a time

i got to bonce you chaps have fun

[bold dove]

Also, remember the ex-CIA dude a few weeks ago talked about his experience with 'non-human lifeforms' (could technically be anything)

[gusty turret]

I know underwater has all kinds of freaky sounds and occurrences

[valid gale]

love this chat

[gusty turret]

There must be a reason nasa doesn't wanna explore the ocean anymore ‼️

[gusty turret]

Thats more of the berserker theory though

The dark forest is more of a paranoia situation not that there necessarily is any aggressive entity

[digital belfry]

um yeah. NASA stands for National Aeronautics and Space Administration. they wouldnt explore the ocean

[gusty turret]

Congratulations, you have no idea what you're talking about!

Erm arktually

[digital belfry]

lol

[gusty turret]

Underwater conditions are actually extremely important to NASA because its as close as they can get to a spacelike environment

[dense ice]

pushes up glasses
Erm… Ackshtually…

“Your mother!”

[graceful igloo]

Yo Ark, make a movie of your lore 😁

or a few I wouldn't mind

[low briar]

Best they can do is an Animated Series, take it (when it releases) or leave it

[gusty turret]

Noodle

[dense ice]

davaydg

[gusty turret]

Wow im famous

[fallow sapphire]

Yo davaydg can I have an autograph

[gusty turret]

No

[fallow sapphire]

[brazen sparrow]

"What in the goddamn...?" -Benny

[low briar]

I quote that all the time 😂

Ring-a-ding ding!

[brazen sparrow]

I miss New Vegas, hope the remake/sequel rumors were true

[gusty turret]

I just beat it recently

Barely, it crashed about every 10 minutes

[low briar]

Game was rigged from the start. To crash. Repeatedly.

[brazen sparrow]

I've had so many bugs that are undocumented in Bethesda games, but almost never crashed somehow, it's strange

[gusty turret]

I accidentally let Rex die

[bold dove]

Console or PC?

[brazen sparrow]

Like in NV, all my companions just used dialogue to communicate in my first playthrough, not the companion wheel. It came as a shock and disappointment when on my second playthrough, I discovered you have to do every little thing through that menu, super annoying

[gusty turret]

Pc

[brazen sparrow]

That's why, lol

[gusty turret]

I tried everything short of climbing through Todd Howards window to make it run better

[brazen sparrow]

PC you basically need the unofficial patch to run the game it seems, on most machines

[bold dove]

PC is ironically less stable than console for Bethesda games

[brazen sparrow]

Yerp

[bold dove]

I honestly always recommend bug-fix mods for any PC Bethesda players. Even if you wanna go as vanilla as possible.
It just makes life in situations like crashing so much easier.

[gusty turret]

I downloaded some anticrash mod and i think it helped a tiny bit

[bold dove]

Well, the fact you where able to beat it on PC does tell me that they worked, to a degree. 🦛
PC New-Vegas is a fucking shitshow with stability.

I really hope we get a New-Vegas remake, cause a lot of the cut-content sounded fucking dope.

[gusty turret]

For some reason my laptop won't let me turn off my backlighting on the keyboard

Im doing the hotkey but it is n o t

[bold dove]

Odd

[gusty turret]

If f8 just isn't functioning im gonna cry

F5 doesn't seem to be working either

Time to pull up a key tester

It seems like it's working the keybind just isn't working

No idea how to fix that

#blametheepicgamesstore

[quaint marsh]

Function keys aren't turned on?

[gusty turret]

@strange jay

Oh irs gone

Nevermind

[raw tusk]

[gusty turret]

In the time i scrolled up to verify that was the appropriate method to grab someone it already got eated

[dusty bronze]

I have always wonder. How did Ark Studios make the sound of the animal PT the closest thing I found was drum roll please… Stomach Growls!

[glad dirge]

so what exactly is the reason for there being dino's instead of normal animals on the arks+genesis ship?

[gusty turret]

Adaptability+potential evolutionary benefits for humans

[ripe garnet]

And not all creatures are from the same era, not all creatures are Dinosaurs, and some are just based on legends or human imagination

[low briar]

Evolution takes a really long time. Dinosaurs (overall) were around a lot longer than most other significant species (I know bacteria/single cell lifeforms of many forms takes the true winner spot, but kinda hard to show them actually influencing anything)

So even if species/creatures were picked at random across Earth's timeline, Dinosaurs would still take the majority of spots (again, ignoring bacteria)

[low briar]

Once again, if you actually read, then you'd know that the discussion is relevant to a previous question

But you don't, so here we are.
Again.

[gusty turret]

I've been stuck for weeks with our vivarium team, trying to get them to reach a consensus on ecosystem inclusion.

What's the least amount of terrestrial lifeforms you'd need to recreate nature?

If all you had left were humans, chickens, honey bees, catfish, algae, alfalfa, yeast, and some pinto beans, could you say you'd saved life on Earth?

We don't honestly expect to be able to preserve every form of life that ever existed, but it only seems smart to back up as much as possible-extinct or otherwise-in case there's a possible balance that we missed out on the first time.

What if pterosaurs were still around when hominids started domesticating animals?

Maybe that could've led to a civilization better equipped to survive ecodisasters...

That's the same approach our antecedent group is using to archive every human mind and body that ever lived.

Say things didn't work out so well for some warrior queen_what if she'd been born with better eyesight, or a stronger immune system?

What if she had a pet mammoth?

I knew Santiago mentioned it somewhere

[lament raft]

i know there's that seed storage place in one of the scandinavian countries, that's supposed to have seeds from pretty much every plant they can just in case

if we still had pterosaurs we'd have some damn big hotwings

[gusty turret]

Imagine ww2 with tropes

Storming normandy with a stego

[lament raft]

i mean, tropeos have no real armor so any flak going would take them down

[gusty turret]

But they're also significantly faster and quieter than traditional aircraft

[lament raft]

not sure about that

the grenade launcher is also woefully short ranged

[gusty turret]

Grenade launchers usually are

Bastion beetle would've been pretty good too

Sauropods don't get done justice gameplay wise

Except diplos, they're op

[brazen sparrow]

It wouldn't be irl, the nade wouldn't just spontaneously combust after 15-20 feet lol

[lament raft]

i mean if we're going off more realistic stuff, a tropeo probably couldn't handle having a jet strapped to its back

[brazen sparrow]

Eh, perhaps, but the science isn't there for most dinosaurs and also we don't know how strong most of them even actually were

But if the time frames of their existence is any evidence, they were pretty resilient and adaptable forms of life to say the least. I wouldn't put it past most flying creatures from back then to withstand quite a bit of modern human technology

[rain dock]

An animal wearing a jet engine would be past it's limits

Doesn't matter how resilient the animal is

[brazen sparrow]

And we know this... how? Any peer reviewed studies to share about jet engine on animal testing, perhaps?

[gusty turret]

Me omw to strap a jet engine on a pigeon

[hollow holly]

taxedermied cat equipped with a drone 💀

[gusty turret]

Are you sure it wasn't a drone equipped with a taxidermied cat

[hollow holly]

taxidermied drone equipped with a cat

[glad crow]

This is the lore we all came here for.

[brazen sparrow]

I want the lore on why Luna can't seem to keep the same name for more than 5 minutes

[hollow holly]

split personality

XITHE2ND is PVE Pillar spammer, Luna is smalltribes player with energy drink addiction

[brazen sparrow]

Hmm, interesting

[bold dove]

So something I just thought of, that'd allow the logistics of the Genesis-ship to be built on Earth while still being able to take off with Earth's-gravity, is akin to how the Pillar-of-Autumn was able to take off in Reach.
That ship had like 8 whole-ass rockets to help it boost off of the ground and into orbit.
The Genesis-ship probably had a similar situation where it had like 20+ booster rockets to help it, before they all detached.

[gusty turret]

Or they didnt and its just one of the many plot oversights between extinction lore and genesis lore

I still just refuse to comprehend the ship being built on earth

Its too big‼️‼️

[low briar]

Or it could have been built in sections, moved into orbit and assembled in space

[brazen sparrow]

More than likely that's the case

[bold dove]

Arat-prime was Marc's lore, and it was mentioned on Extinction's tek-texts in the city.

[gusty turret]

But it don't fit

How do you launch a ship that don't fit

It couldn't possibly be the actual launch site

It could be the command center but it couldn't physically launch from the planet

[bold dove]

Like Zen said, it most likely was built in sections.
But also, have you seen the ending of Halo-Reach btw?

[gusty turret]

No

[bold dove]

Mind if I send you a scene of said ship from Halo-Reach taking off? I'd give a bit more context of what I mean by 'booster rockets.'

[gusty turret]

Go ahead

Okay but like the Genesis ship is a billion times bigger

It would be more practical to just build it on a drydock in space

And easier to explain

Drydock definitely isn't the right word but similar enough in concept

[bold dove]

Pillar-of-Autumn is like the 5th of the size of the Genesis-ship.
Again, Zen is more likely right. But it isn't 'impossible' to do so on Earth, especially with how apparently great of a fuel-source Element is, and how we see Tek being able to make a buff-ass man fly seamlessly and allow us to go sonic-speed.

Well the halo-rings are a whole other topic.

[gusty turret]

The pillar of autumn doesn't appear to be that large

[bold dove]

It's pretty damn large, hang on I'll look up it's size.

[gusty turret]

It clocks in at just over a km

Genesis ship is way larger

[bold dove]

It's 1,171 meters long.

And that's 1,17km, like you said.

And from this random ass persons message on Reddit doing some quick math, he calculates it's roughly '305km' long.

Eh, it's a bit smaller

I believe we're going with 'from the tip of the nose, to the bottom of the rear.'

[gusty turret]

Without measurements of the ark maps its hard to tell

Idk what the dimensions are but i think an individual ring segment is longer than the pillar

[gusty turret]

If i had to guess its probably between 50-100

305 seems like pulling numbers from nowhere math

[bold dove]

I can copy-and-paste the message if you want

[gusty turret]

Write it all out by hand and send it via carrier pigeon

[bold dove]

" So, I know that not many people are still talking about the size of the Genesis Colony Ship, but as I also didn't find the possible size of the ship anywhere, I decided to do the calculations and draw my own conclusions.

The first thing I did was figure out the distance between the arcs that pass over the map (keeping in mind that there are two distances between these arcs), and I came up with a distance of 4400 meters for the arcs farthest from each other, and 3200 meters for the arches that are closest to each other. With that, I reached a perimeter of about 152 kilometers and a diameter of about 48.4 kilometers.
After that, I went to calculate the total length of the Ship with her conceptual art, already knowing that the final model was a little longer than the one in the conceptual phase. With that I reached a size of 290.5 kilometers, and after doing some math to fix the ship's angle problem in the photo, I got a size of 305 kilometers in length, from the front end to the end of the solar sails.

Surely there must be a margin of error of a few kilometers, but I think this result is good enough.

And yes, we can say that the Long Night of Solace is more than 10 times smaller than the Genesis Colony Ship, and that Infinity could simply land inside the Genesis.
The UNSC would be jealous

(Sorry if something is spelled wrong or a little hard to understand, it's that I'm Brazilian, my whole explanation makes a lot more sense in my head than in the Text) 🙂 "

[gusty turret]

I feel like theres more than a few km margin of error

How did they get those numbers

Theres like no frame of reference

[bold dove]

Yeah, reading through it now fully and it does seem like they pulled it out of their ass.
I was more just looking for a number.

I just saw funny number and was giving them the benefit of the doubt that they actually did the calculations.

[gusty turret]

By looking at the stars and sticking my thumb up my rear i came to the conclusion theres a distance of 4400 meters from the arcs farthest from each other

[bold dove]

I think a good way to calculate it, is to get the dimensions of the actual map itself in-game. Then use those dimensions to see how large the ship would be.

Off topic, but I wonder if ASA will crack down on making either the notes more accurate to the in-game world, or vise-versa.
Cause (if I recall right) the note version of Extinction was much larger than what we saw in-game.

[gusty turret]

The note version of extinction was like a billion times larger that actually included a journey

Instead of just dropping the notes randomly around

Imagine they actually just walked in circles for weeks

[bold dove]

That'd be the most hilarious and saddening shit ever.

[hollow holly]

but i wasn't always like this...

it all started in 2018 when i created my character on smalltribes...

i still hear turrets shooting in my sleep... the countless discord pings... the parasaur detection... owl dive boom... too much...

[hollow holly]

me watching my tribemate control someone with a noglin into unpowering his entire base (what have we become...)

[hollow holly]

No, dont listen him him ^^^^^ !!! Smalltribes is perfectly fine I assure you!

[gusty turret]

Filthy little hobitses

[gusty turret]

Im curious what fixing the ships angle problem means

What math does that entail

Idk maybe im just bad at math and it all checks out or something

[pearl vector]

I find it kind of funny how they say in a helena note that earth is tidally locked, and how this should be impossible for life to exist at all, and then they refuse to elaborate any further lmao, like yeah life should not exist here, but it does because... yeah?

[gusty turret]

We already did the math on how tidally locking works

Now we need to figure out why anything is alive

I think the answer is its not except for the small bastions of sanctuary

[pearl vector]

A fair answer, considering 99.9% of the things you see outside of the sanctuary and the bubble domes are corrupted

I wouldnt really say corrupted are alive, they seem to be just shells for element to control

Now i dont really get how the sunken forest is even a thing, unless its protected by one of the sanctuary shields i dont see how it could even exist, there is an obelisk down there which could indicate that the area is still under some sort of protection but that obelisk and that place are absolutely ruined so i dont know

[gusty turret]

Its alive the same way aberration is alive

[pearl vector]

so basically, it just is

[gusty turret]

Yep

[bold dove]

I believe it's cause the proto-ark's and sanctuary are still keeping the planet alive by fabricating creatures.
The ARK's should logistically be in chaos and most things should be extinct on them too, since there's a higher predator then there is prey to realistically sustain all of the predators. (which Helena herself pointed out)
I believe either Marc, or somewhere in the notes stated that the ARK's actually have finite resources, but it's the matter that they keep recycling from corpses to make new life.

Well, actually it's not even keeping the planet alive.
It's only keeping those very specific locations alive.

[gusty turret]

Can we really know if the protoarks exist on the same system as the rest of the arks?

Like it seems illogical for them to be on the same

Like a lot more room for coding to fail

[bold dove]

Marc did actually confirm that they're all in the same System, simply known as 'The-System'

[gusty turret]

Weird

Me personally, i would just make them on their own little localized network instead of connected to all the fully functional ones

[bold dove]

I believe that's why Aberration creatures, that exclusively mutated on Aberration are on Extinction.
Cause they're part of "The-System" now.

[gusty turret]

Oh yeah thats true i forgot about that

[bold dove]

You also aren't under the pressure of the world being rapidly consumed by a alien-virus.
It was probably easier just to use the pre-existing System the proto-ARK's had, and modify it to allow for a more mass-scale usage that the ARK's have.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but leaving it connected to the ones on the ground was also just a massive loose end

Kinda like how for some reason they forgot to disable the uplink to the ship

Or whatever occured there

I wouldn't want the alien virus somehow digitalizing and connecting to the system by giving them a large access node

[bold dove]

Again, they probably where just thinking of preserving life than actually thinking ahead of time.
One-Who-Waits even stated that the ARK's where a short-term plan, not long-term.
They expected Corruption to die off on its own, but it didn't and grew even more powerful. So the ARK's stayed in orbit way past their expected date that they started to deteriorate.

And I believe even she admits the System is flawed, hints why both the Aberration-crew and us had to break The-System to actually go back to Earth.

I can imagine that Corruption fucked over life really quickly.

[gusty turret]

I also still think its a plot hole how if they had the technology to purge element why they didn't just apply that on a much larger scale instead of working on massive projects that weren't great

I get the element levels were much higher until we killed the king titan but couldn't they just put more energy into purging to counteract that?

With all the energy they put into the planning and r&d of the projects put into place they could've just like purged it, no?

Like isn't that the logical solution

If theres a fire i think get rid of it not lets build a helicopter and fly away

They definitely had way more time than we're giving them

The amount of time it would take to build structures the size of the Arks all around the Earth and a massive ship

And keep in mind the arks didn't even get started until the ship was pretty much done

[bold dove]

That's something @mental basin I believe knows

[mental basin]

The ARKs were that 'massive scale'. Nobody knew that the ARKs, and Gen-Ship by extension, were going to fail horribly.

[mental basin]

If they had the energy to counteract it immediately, they would've. But they didn't, thus why the Element Corruption needed to be weakened.

[mental basin]

You've gotta understand, the situation was hopeless at this point. The Gen-Sim even ended up being rushed out the door, due to how implausible completion was under the circumstances of what was happening to Earth. Additionally, humans were extremely selfish at this point, as described by all Explorer Notes describing the future.

[mental basin]

They didn't. By the time of Santiago 2.0's death, the apocalypse hadn't even started yet- they were teetering on it.

[mental basin]

Again, teetering. Plus the fact that the Gen-Sim shipped unpolished as Hell, according to HLN-A.

[mental basin]

The Ship wasn't pretty much done at all. They were still deciding final biomes, and what even to bring on. It had the basic concepts, but not much else. The Genesis Simulation was barely even laid by the time the ARKs were finalized- only being a seperated collection of basic ecosystems, including Scorched Earth and The Island.

[gusty turret]

So they could make an artificial sun to power the ship but they couldn't just generate more energy for purging?

[mental basin]

Yep, because powering a Colony Ship and purging an entire planet of a Corrupted super-substance are two completely different things.

[gusty turret]

But they could've just made more power

[mental basin]

They couldn't.

Like I said, if they could have, they would have.

They simply didn't have enough to combat the Element.

[gusty turret]

Or they didn't because there wouldn't be a story without it

[mental basin]

Thus the ARKs and Ship.

[low briar]

Wait, that's why the Ark's had Dinosaurs. More dinosaurs, more oil and fossil fuels! 😂

[arctic bison]

have you seen those giant skeletons? that can fuel my oil lamps for centuries

[low briar]

Kinda makes me wonder what those creatures were ... Way bigger than the Titans 👀

[arctic bison]

Titanorexosaurus

[low briar]

It's only dead because Bob got to it first

[arctic bison]

Bob is the ultimate menace

[low briar]

The real reason the Animated Series is taking so long to release. Producers had to rewrite the entire story because Bob would have been able to save humanity single-handedly

[arctic bison]

## TRUE

Bob is so strong they had to make him a secondary character and switch main characters for the series

[gusty turret]

Im the main character

Neddythenoodle said my name thats your proof

[low briar]

Who?

[lyric tendon]

Who?

[mental basin]

Who?

[bronze turtle]

Who?

[dense ice]

akskskskssked

[low briar]

Naw, but seriously

[glad dirge]

What caused the aberration ark to be dark and in ruin

[gusty turret]

Well its a cave so its gonna be dark for starters

But other than that tek nuke

[bold dove]

Previous survivors nuked the Overseer.

[glad dirge]

Ah thx

[glad dirge]

Why does our survivor get flung from one ark to the next after defeating each arks final boss, is it meant to be a trial or something to see who's worthy to take on the titans?

[fallow sapphire]

The Ark’s are to test survivors survival capabilities, and after they beat an ark they are transported to another to continue the trials.

[lone birch]

Is it true that King Titan punched the earth to stop the rotation in lore?

[gusty turret]

What

No😭

[proud otter]

IIRC, earth's rotation stopped because of element multiplying on it...
After the events of the war, a good fraction of the earth was element
So, it increased in mass, and supposedly that slowed it's rotation, until it matched it's translational speed, such that one side always faces the sun

But that idea is definitely the cooler (although harder to believe) one lol

[proud otter]

Now, how element multiplied and increased in mass, idk
There is a lot we get from element, specially pure/unstable element "corrupting" into things, but about it multiplying and increasing in mass... at least I personally don't know much

If it just transformed stuff into more element, then earth's mass wouldn't have changed, i think it makes sense that it got the energy incoming into it in some way, probably most coming from the sun since is the biggest source we have, or other sources that were fed into it, and then in some way, converted into mass over time, increasing it's mass... and therefore with more of itself, becoming a larger fraction of the composition of the planet over time, such conversion proccess must have been done willingly more hastly by the warring sides, since more element meant more TEK, and more TEK meant more POWAH, spiralling until we got the stuff we see today

At least that is the explanation which i got for it that doesn't breaks conservation of energy lol

[lone birch]

Ah, so it's the weight that was slowing down the earth till the rotation stopped? I keep finding ppl saying it was due to KT that's stopped the earth's movement.Though both idea are still silly because if earth's rotation stopped, it would've been irreversibly fall into sun but then again, it's sci-fi fiction lol

[proud otter]

I mean, it is said that a great fraction of the planet became just element, and after those events, it became tidally locked (one side always day and another always night), so if it's mass increased from the increase in element (reasonable assumption if it doesn't just converted pre-existing mass into element), then it's rotation speed would slow down due to the conservation of moment of inertia, and yea, it doesn't need completely stop rotation to become tidally locked, actually for a planet or (other kind of body) to be tidally locked, it needs to have some rotation still, (it needs to rotate on a way in which a day passes at the same speed as a year passes for it) it would just be much slower than earth's rotational speed today (365 times slower lol)

[proud otter]

If earth's rotation stopped completely, like, there was not even any rotation left for even being tidally locked (which is the case on ARK), then it wouldn't fall to the sun, since translational speed (the speed that makes it go around the sun in a year) and rotational speed (The speed that makes it spin around it's axis) are not the same, it would just have stopped at that moment, it would then become slightly more spherical, but it wouldn't fall towards the sun unless it's translational speed also diminished, which is unrelated to rotational speed

Also, while it could slow down it's rotational speed if it gained mass, to a point in which it could become tidally locked, it couldn't ever gain enough mass such that it's rotation completely stopped just from gaining mass (that would require infinite mass), so to make it completely stop, then yes, it would take some extreme external force in the opposite direction to which it spins to slow it down, but just to become tidally locked that is not necessarily necessary too

Actually, the natural tendency is always to slowly become tidally locked over time, and for a smaller orbiting body to become synchronous with it's larger body, and if it has more rotational speed, the tendency is to lose that over time, such as by heat dissipation, and one day that will happen IRL to earth too, obviously that is not the case of earth in ARK, since for that, earth would have to be 50 billion more years old than now, and while ARK happens in the future, it's not THAT far in the future lol, sun will be "gone" in just ~5 so it wouldn't have been that

But since the tendency is to naturally always become eventually tidally locked, if earth's rotation suddenly stopped, then it would slowly increasd until it became tidally locked in one rotational direction or another

[proud otter]

So, that idea of earth's rotation having TOTALLY stopped for it to be tidally locked as in ARK, is wrong in both ways

First of all Tidally locked is not the same as no rotational speed at all, since for a body's face to always be facing another, what has to happen is for it's rotational speed be equal to it's translational speed, and not zero

Second, if one body actually got no rotational speed, what would happen is that it would gain rotational speed, until it became equal to the translational speed, and not stay at zero, because that is not what being tidally locked means

The tendency for orbiting bodies is to eventually always come to become tidally locked at some point, and obviously it takes a ridiculously long ammount of time to happen naturally, since earth is ~5 billion years old (more like 4.6, I'm rounding up a lot) and still has got more 50 billion years to go, but as with anything, that is the natural tendency

Is like in thermodynamics, heat flows from hot to cold, until a temperature of equilibrium is found, tidal locking is analogous to that equilibrium, but in terms of rotational/translational speeds of orbiting bodies, and like on obiting bodies, on termodynamics, that temperature is not zero, unless one of the sides was of infinite and had zero temperature too

[proud otter]

That all is... assuming it gained that much mass and it's translational speed continued as just 365 days, if it became heavier, it would fall toward the sun, because the force attracting it would be larger, in the fall it would speed up and it's translational speed would be higher, so the ammount it would have to be slower may not be as much as 365, as if it were on the orbit position it is now, it could be as little as 100 times, if was as close as mercury, but then earth would become a steam world, and if there were no means to shield off from the higher incoming radiation from the sun to keep it cool... i suppose ARK's earth has got that put in place for it lol

[gusty turret]

I aint gonna read allat

Just from what i read though, i don't think literally anyone is saying its because of an increase in mass, the only really accepted train of thought here is that the element caused the core to cool

[carmine cedar]

The explanation for the stoppage of rotation is not an increase of mass

It’s just voodoo element magic

There is no scientific logic behind the stopping of rotation

What you say is correct assuming the increase in mass is the reason

But we’re never told if it is.

[gusty turret]

Did you read all the other stuff the other person said because thats too many words for me

They should've put a tldr at the bottom

[carmine cedar]

My personal speculation is that element has its own super strong electromagnetic field which has enough centrifugal force to counter the sun’s pull, but also to stop the earth’s magnetic field

[glad crow]

Doesn't it take a lot of energy to create mass though? Even if element is 100% efficient.

[carmine cedar]

It does

E=m.9x10^16

So every 9x10^16 J of energy will create 1 kg

Ideally

[glad crow]

And realistically it would be nowhere near ideal.

[carmine cedar]

Yeah

@rain dock can give us the exact details

[glad crow]

Is there a reverse of the reaction between matter and antimatter which releases all their energy?

[iron ocean]

What happened to the homo-deus she just dissapears after extinction

[gusty turret]

I feel like element is a very different case

Especially since its organic

[gusty turret]

Helena didn't go through everything she went through just to be called the homo-deus

But also we really have no idea

[glad crow]

That's the maximum you can get while still conserving matter. Though there are probably instances where element appears to do that anyway, those are mainly in-game.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but is that the formula for energy consumption of organic growth?

Idk anything about that stuff so im genuinely curious

I thought organic growth would fall under an entirely different category than anything else like that

[glad crow]

It's just E=mc². That's how much energy is in mass. Nothing to do with organisms. That's just how much there is, not how much you can realistically get out of it.
I'm not explaining this very well.
If you're increasing the mass of the earth through energy alone, you need 90 quadrillion Joules per kilo.

At least that's what I understand from what was said.

Though if it harvests all the solar energy that hits earth that's roughly 500 kilos per hour.

But that's not really feasible.

[gusty turret]

Idk the conversation doesn't make sense to begin with because I don't think increasing the mass of Earth to the point it stops rotating about it's axis is a plausible consideration anyways

[glad crow]

You're probably right about that. This is just a bit of a tangent.

[proud otter]

Yeah, What we know is that after the war, element became a great fraction of earth's composition, the element, and unless it just converted pre-existing earth mass onto itself, which could be a good part of the whole thing, or just all of it, we fon't know, the ammount required for it to become a significant fraction of the earth's mass would make it more massive (is like, if we have 100 things, in in the end we know that element became a third of all (not necessarily a third in lore, but a great fraction of it), it could have either turned 33 from that a 100 into itself, or added 50 more, on that case, there would be 150 thibgs then) but that information that earth became in great part element (the element toxicity rating) comes from a histogram, it only shows the fraction of composition in moles, (something like being a fraction of 50 from 150), but i doesn't show how much mass that represents... or where that mass comes from

Either of the 2 things must have happened, If element just converted pre-existing mass onto itself, earth would have shrunk a bit if element was much denser than most of it, if it has added mass then what we know is that it has added enough to become a significant fraction, it could have been either of both things, but if it does added a siginificant mass, then that would explain the rotational velocity going down, which could explain the tidal lock (at least in great part), if it has just shrunk from the conversion, then it's rotational speed would have actually went up, as it's moment of inertia would have went down...
And this doesn't match what we see with the tidal lock, unless earth's translational speed went up a lot more for what we have no reason to believe if it's mass didn't also increased and got closer to the sun for some reason (either from increase in the mass, which on this scenario wouldn't be the case, or something external not mentioned)

[rain dock]

To create mass out of energy? Generally they do it with a collider

[rain dock]

No it's not really plausible

[proud otter]

There is a surprisingly low ammount of lore for something a big thing as slowing down a whole planet's rotational velocity lol

[rain dock]

Well, yeah, because there is a surprisingly difficult explanation for it

[gusty turret]

Does element photosynthesize or something

[rain dock]

Other than just handwaving and saying "element" the entire orbital trajectory of the earth would have to change, and it would become uninhabitable

You can't stop the rotation of a planet just by adding more mass to it

Conservation of angular momentum holds pretty strongly

[rain dock]

Dunno

[gusty turret]

I just wanna know how it grows

[rain dock]

Imma handwave and say "element"

[proud otter]

Tidally locking isn't about having no rotational speed
(i mentioned that on what i wrote, but i know you didn't read it), is about the rotational speed (the time it takes for a day) of a body being the same as it's translational speed (the time it takes for a year)

For earth to become tidally locked, it either would need to lose rotational speed (as if it's mass increased or something pushed it in the other rotational direction), or to gain a lot of translational speed (if it gained mass it would gain that too, but it's orbit would be closer to the sun)

I can't make a TLDR out of this without cutting significant information

[gusty turret]

Yeah you're right i absolutely didn't read it

You wrote like 20 paragraphs on something that isn't confirmed

[rain dock]

If it dramatically gained mass out of nowhere it's rotation wouldn't be closer to the sun, it would be wildly erratic

Gaining mass is not how orbital bodies get into tidal lock

[bold dove]

90% of what Element does is because of space-magic.
Stel helped me come to an understanding that Marc's intention for Element was "we don't fully know the universe, and how it actually works. We just like to put laws and logistic to something we can't understand"
Which, I'm not sure how actually logical that is realistically. But it does make sense in a writing-standpoint

[rain dock]

Yup, classic writer lol

[proud otter]

What isn't confirmed is how the element became a significant fraction of earth, either from converting mass, or adding mass
What we know is that it did one way or another, because it became a great part of earth's composition
And that also the rotational speed matched the translational speed for some reason, which would mean losing rotational speed and/or gaining translational speed, which would be explained from adding mass somehow

[gusty turret]

I don't think it did become a significant fraction of earth

[rain dock]

Again adding mass does not explain a tidal lock

[bold dove]

You know more about astronomy then I do Raq. So what's your take on the 'we don't fully understand everything in the universe, so space-magic.'

[gusty turret]

I just wanna know more about how element self replicates

[proud otter]

It does because of conservation of angular momentum, Initial moment of inertia×initial angular velocity=final moment of inertia×final angular velocity

IF moment of inertia go up in the final (as if you increased mass or making something more volumous) then rotational velocity must go down

If moment of inertia went down in the final (as if you made something have less mass or be smaller), then rotational velocity go up

[rain dock]

Well, we honestly don't know a lot about the universe, but what we do know contradicts basically everything element does

[gusty turret]

I think a false vacuum decay would be silly

[rain dock]

It's in orbit, add significant mass to something in orbit out of nowhere, you don't get tidal lock, you get erratic orbit

[bold dove]

Genesis-2 explains that Element can rewrite stuff on a molecular level due to Rockwell changing the ship itself into meat.
So I guess it might work the same with normal Element. It just needs 'something' to be able to rewrite, soil, corpses, animals, rocks, etc.

[gusty turret]

I've played one of those dumb space games where you destroy planets with lasers i know how astronomy works😎

[bold dove]

Right, and that's what I thought.
Though old knowledge has been rewritten and changed before, right?

[proud otter]

It's orbit would get nearer to the sun, translational speed would become higher, rotational speed would go down, and so it could become tidally locked if tese 2 matched, if it was gradual, besides the change in orbit radius to a smaller one (which could conflict with other planets if they weren't destroyed or moved) it would only become erratic if was something instant like an impact

[bold dove]

Also, if this is actually the case of how Element is able to self-replicate. This possibly means that even if Corruption wasn't a thing, that Element would still had made Earth into one giant-ass Element crystal if left unchecked.

[gusty turret]

If earth got closer to the sun then reseeding would be catastrophic for all life exiting the arks

[proud otter]

Yep lol, it's the craziest wonder material imaginable... that is also infectious and hive-minded for some reason (need for plot)

[rain dock]

Not how it would actually play out lol

Depending on the speed at which it transpired of course

[gusty turret]

I only know geometry so i can only tell you why Extinction is always facing the sun

[rain dock]

The assumption is that the element did what it did fairly quickly, and didn't take millions of years

So without some gravitational effect inherent to the element itself, there isnt really a rational explanation for the tidal lock

[gusty turret]

Technically we have no idea when it started and it could've literally been around since the formation of the Earth

You think out of all the rocks that collided to make Earth not one of them could've been carrying element after we already know its out in space

[rain dock]

I would have to brush up on my orbital mechanics and re-download Matlab, but I could demonstrate how adding mass doesn't make a stable orbit

[bold dove]

We do actually

Helena flat out stated it came from a meteor, and humanity found it not long after.

And with Genesis-2, we have 'rough' timeline of events.

[gusty turret]

I'm still taking Ixion or whatever his name is at face value with the element thing

Helena only knows what the system knows, so not everything

Don't we also have borderline confirmation of some form of gods existence in the ark universe?

[rain dock]

Apart from homodeus?

[bold dove]

It was the transhuman that made a comment about "what if Element was purposely sent to us?" and nothing else

[proud otter]

To get this relashionship all you need is conservation of angular momentum and orbital mechanics, it's just physics, it's not false if that gain came from within itself, and not an instant external force like a planet/moon impact that also flung the orbit awry was was the case

Now, how they would deal with that in a survivable way... i don't know all the tech people in ARK had, but is some crazy sci-fi stuff, wouldn't doubt they could find a way

[bold dove]

So no, there's nothing about 'gods' other then Homo-Deus's

-so far

[bold dove]

I'd rather not take the insane, literally accidently created person at face value.

Man is split between two personalities in one head.

[proud otter]

Go on fam, it's fun

[rain dock]

For most of the events regarding element and extinction you have to regard element as a space colonizing species, which is kind of irrefutable. The only question would be how intelligent the actual element hive mind is

[gusty turret]

He's not insane hes just two minds in one body

Also a lot of people are accidentally created don't be so quick to judge🙄

[proud otter]

I wish i had a pc to play those games m8, it's hella fun to play with those simulations, only time i messed with simulations was at general mechanics discipline at university, wish i could do them here too

[rain dock]

On interesting thought though. If element can change things and reorganize it at a molecular level, can it do that at a quantum level? If so, then you could make the argument that element knows the subatomic interactions of gravity and could in theory artificially edit how gravity effects the earth, which would explain the tidal lock

[rain dock]

Big thing that would change current science would be understanding how gravity works at a quantum level lol

[gusty turret]

Things pull towards each other

Bigger thing have bigger pull

I just solved all the problems

[rain dock]

We have a genius among us 🤣

[proud otter]

No cap

[gusty turret]

I wanna eat an accretion disk

[rain dock]

How do you explain light then? Since it doesn't have a size, or mass?

[proud otter]

Bro is galactus 💀💀💀

[gusty turret]

Its bright but sometimes it doesn't know it's there because its dark

[rain dock]

Imma poke you in the eye lol

[gusty turret]

Im gonna put some dirt in your eye

[rain dock]

But yeah, supposing a species was capable of carefully editing how gravity works on a planet through quantum interactions, it could hypothetically create a tidal lock without altering the orbit of the planet

[gusty turret]

What if we just eat the planets core instead

[rain dock]

Liquids are easier to stop rotations than solids are lol

[gusty turret]

Just build a big interstellar stop sign

When the planet sees it it has to stop

[proud otter]

I think it would make sense for a species to want to undo tidal lock, since it makes either side too harsh to deal with

So, let's see... to get tidal lock we need to make translational speed and rotational speed be the same, they naturally tend to match eventually, but that takes ridiculously long, you can either increase/reduce one or reduce/increase the other to make them match, or a bit of both, doing the opposite on each

[gusty turret]

Not necessarily

Tidally locking a planet could make for extremely efficient solar energy outputs

[rain dock]

Yeah, it would make sense if they were trying to photosynthesize

I mean, element has already demonstrated that it can survive radiation, so perhaps what it was doing was creating a planet uninhabitable to everything but itself

Kind of like phase 2 of the titan plan

[proud otter]

You can get somwthing akin to a tidal lock from different spin-orbit resonances besides 1:1, like mercury has a 3:2 resonance (mercury spins 3 times while it revolves around the sun twice) that is not a true tidal lock, though

[rain dock]

Tidalock depends on the distance between the objects in ratio with the radii of the objects. Something the earth's size and the suns size at their current distances will not likely achieve a tidal lock

For reference, it's been almost 5 billion years, and we are nowhere near tidal lock

[gusty turret]

Lets change that😈

[rain dock]

We can't even lower the temperature by 1 degree, how do you propose we alter the orbit of the planet lol

[proud otter]

The tendency is for everything to become tidally locked eventually, earth would if it had enough time, and nothing external acted upon them, we have formula and can calculate that approximately (since in the formula is needed many factors which we may not know with enough certainty), plugging the best values that we have from earth now, we get approximately 50 billion years

[rain dock]

In a world with no other interactions from any other objects yes

[proud otter]

Key thing is IF IT HAD that time, it will probably just be engulfed by the sun in just 5 if left as it is

Or prolly something significant hit it and change that in all of that time

[glad crow]

Damn it, you countered my 'um actually,' before I was finished typing.

[proud otter]

Lol, ig my own my mind argues with itself a lot

That is some tzeentch kind of stuff here lol

[glad crow]

I'd say that's helpful in scenarios like these.

[gusty turret]

We push it

[mental basin]

Everyone on one side of the planet jumps really high all at once so they hit the ground really hard

[gusty turret]

Oooo also tidal locking could lead to a large amount of ice exports from the freezing of the dark side of the planet

That's of no use to us as humans because we aren't even remotely close to needing that scale of ice or anything but still

We could pick a planet dry for all naturally available resources then tidally lock it for solar farms and ice exports

[valid gale]

why do we have orbatal suply drops on genisis 2?

i though the ones in extintion were getting droped form the arks in orbit to help anyone on the grount?

[gusty turret]

They aren't orbital supply drops

Whatever mission buff it is that modifies the drop explains it decently

[valid gale]

thanks

[valid gale]

do we know how long it took to build the colony ship?

[carmine cedar]

Half of this is assumptions about the physical properties of element, it might've been lighter than hydrogen for all we know 🤷🏽

The large % may have been by volume or number of particles, not mass..

So just shush, you seem to be in the school level when they assume everything to have a nice n easy calculation

[fluid needle]

in the hall of history (overseer areana) the supply drops can be seen going down to the island but the overseer arena is only covering a small part of the island but we still get supply drops on the outer of the map

and in game you just see it come strait down?

and also on aberration the overseer platform got destroyed but we still have drops on the surface?

[brazen sparrow]

The other two pillars of the Ark are fine, as far as Aberration

But as for the whole spawning in a line thing, they likely don't, but there's very little lore on the drops to begin with

I imagine they change course on the way down

But that's just a theory, a gaaaaaaaaaaaam-

[wispy plank]

Actually the overseer pillar is directly over the middle of the map so the supply drops probably just change course and land straight when near the ground

[fluid needle]

but still confused about ab

even though i have even read the whole lore

[wispy plank]

Considering the amount of time between the observation platform being destroyed and we arriving on Aberration maybe the Ark just moved all the drops to a different pillar

[rain dock]

It's always a shock to new students that some of the "simple" calculations are actually not computable

[rain dock]

Um, not really

Can't farm ice without having water

[carmine cedar]

Me rn:

[rain dock]

Np problems

They are a problem

[carmine cedar]

🤣

[proud otter]

Yeah, you are right about that, i made that assumption about it being somewhere around the same density as most other metals, how it would have played out depends a lot on what it's density would have been, and we get talked a lot about element corrupting, and being a wonder material, but we aren't talked a lot about it's physical/material properties in detail, so we don't know what it's density really is, what we get talked is that it outperforms other metals in the material properties which they are best for, better conductor than copper, higher melting point and hardness than tungsten, and from rockwell that it has abnormally strong metallic bonds, but nothing about it's density...
Low density but high strength is often desired for applications, like in aeroindustrial purposes, but we don't get talked on that

If did had a low density and became a siginificant part of earth's composition, it wouldn't have increased as much mass, but it would have increased in volume

But an increase in volume, and therefore radius would also have increased it's moment of inertia, actually even more so than it's mass, since it is depended on the square of it, while the dependence on mass is linear

What wouldn't have changed much is if it increased it's percentile by conversion of pre-existing mass, and have the same density as earth on average... then nothing would have changed about either, but no matter the density, any addictive increase that made it be a significant percentage would increase in mass and volume, more one or another depending on that density

[proud otter]

I'm a mechatronics engineering student, i know it gets more troublesome the more accurate-to-reality we try to make our model be, but conservation of angular momentum is true if the is no change on the net external torque like that

And it in itself is a simple principle if you have the moment of inertia or angular velocity, what may not be as much isn't is getting to have those accurately, like to have a precise moment of inertia of earth we would have to integrate it, we could simplify it to an oblatete spheroid, or simplify even more to a sphere with mean density

[carmine cedar]

Fellow engg student 🤝🏽

I'll read all this tmrw sleepy rn

Brain no work when sleepy

[proud otter]

🤝

[proud otter]

I understand you bro... imma have c programming class right now, and mechanics II after

[carmine cedar]

I'm in electrical actually

[proud otter]

Noice, gn bro

[gusty turret]

Im in an honors programming class and I've never used c# before in my life so idk who im gonna do in there

I have like kinda technically coding experience cuz i used all the dumb boolean algebra in my electrical classes in highschool but I don't know the actual language

[rain dock]

C# is the easy way to coding lol

[gusty turret]

It seems intimidating

The most I've ever coded was a crappy dr. Phil themed game on scratch

[carmine cedar]

💀💀💀

[mental basin]

Genesis was programming in C++ iirc

Some of the code in HLN-A’s Notes translate into C++

Most of it, actually, iirc

[gusty turret]

I think its funny that for some super advanced stuff they just used c++

Did they not develop any languages that were extremely efficient or anything by that point in time???

Imagine how much better everything would've been if they didn't use a language that would be like 100 years old at that point

I mean it makes sense for Helena but why everything else

Ignore me i like judging stupid plot decisions in stories

Like in Avengers Infinity war why didn't they just keep the barrier up around Wakanda and just divert power to where they were actually trying to get through? And why wouldn't they use their airships to strafe the things that were outside of the bubble???

But nope lets lower the barrier and put people in more danger than they were already in

And they also took all guards that were actually capable of doing anything away from Vision which like why would you leave the infinity stone entirely unguarded???

[gusty turret]

I also don't get why Strange gave up the time stone instead of just rewinding time

[timid sand]

i mean he checked that didnt he

the whole thing was he checked all the different timelines and stuff and the only one that worked was giving up the timestone

[gusty turret]

He checked the timelines years before the culmination of all the events so its so very unlikely that more possibilities didn't open up as time went on

He checked millions of timelines from a singular point of time when like every single decision splits off into a different timeline so after the years between he checked and the actual battle i refuse to believe he explored every single viable option

Tony just has a saviour complex and got to be the one to do it

[low briar]

Strange checked all the possible timelines for one when they'd win and he'd get rid of Stark for being annoying

[carmine cedar]

Hmm mostly agreed, however if element is “alien” and doesn’t exist in our normal “rubber sheet” view of space…this could all be explained 👀

[proud otter]

Ye, i wish we had more of element's material properties in detail in the lore, besides the plot-needed parts (Like corrupting lving things, making them stronger tempting them and making them fall into a hive mind sorta control) It seems like an awesome unobtainium-sorta material, if you keep it stable, in check and don't let it seep into biological beings... and don't abuse it like drugs, like when on the war

This explanation is the most reasonable one i had using classical physics that ties those things we know it did, but being the magical-like sci-fi alien crazy stuff it is could very well do something like that in some other weird way, idk...

[proud otter]

This thing with humans/transhumans in ark overusing element reminds me of other games with that sort of trope of civilizations that fallen the same way from overdosing on miraculous substances, the arthropod civilization from Don't starve that overused on nightmare fuel and the rapture from bioshock that overused adam... pretty sure there is a lot more i don't remember

[proud otter]

Ig the takeaway lesson is: don't do drugs kids

[gusty turret]

Is it safe to say its all the federations fault?

The URE just wanted to do their own silly ascension thing and the federation was mean

[proud otter]

Imo, yes, they wanted to "preserve humanity" so bad, with their prejuduce against the transhumanists...
that they brought an element war that killed all the humans in the end, apart from the human survivor clones that the transhumans ended up with the quest to maintain... and test brutally, compared with what earth had become the test was kinda light tho

[rain dock]

I mean, c++ is kind of what you code anything that you want to run blindingly fast.

[rain dock]

You cant really get more efficient than c++, I guess maybe c

[rain dock]

I am not a marvel fan, but I watched Loki once, so doesnt that show nullify your whole point?

[rain dock]

Not to mention that it is ridiculously light, since you can carry a huge amount of it at once

[gusty turret]

Its hard to say

[gusty turret]

Yeah but like after a hundred years youd think theyd have something better figured out

[rain dock]

Well, doesn't the guy in that show delete everything that's not exactly one specific way?

[rain dock]

I mean, not really

You can make some languages better for more specific purposes, but it's hard to even hypothetically devise a language more efficient than c or c++

[gusty turret]

Idk i didn't watch after disney started releasing crappy cash grab short series

Disney runs down the quality in anything it touches

[proud otter]

Either that is true, or we only get a small usable ammount, and being the "miraculous" thing it is, a bunch of that is enough to run stuff powered by it...
After all, we get that 0.01 weight, but we never see the volume it occupies... at least from what i know

[gusty turret]

I always imagined it to just be like a little square foot plate of it or something

[proud otter]

but i'd not think about ark's inventory too seriously... like, we use a TON of resources to craft something like a ballista tower and after that it weights 4kg, and depending on the settings we can turn it back into that TON if we destroy it (or get nothing back at all depending on those settings)

That's me tho, i've seen cool theories about how ark inventory would make more sense

[gusty turret]

It doesn't make sense no theories involved

Its just for gameplay

[rain dock]

Well the same trebuchet Is stored in your arm, so

[gusty turret]

Unless the arks were all a simulation or something then it just doesn't work

Which the gen 2 chronicles absolutely makes them into a simulation but i digress

[proud otter]

Yea, that is almost the theory that i've seen, that it is stored as data in your engram, and when you place it it materializes into that, the engram just places an arbitrary weight upon your character then

[gusty turret]

Yeah im pretty sure thats just a gameplay feature

[proud otter]

Imo the funniest thing about all that, is that considering how crazy sci-fi ark is, those game mechanic conviences are not so far fetched to make some kind of weird sense in some weird theory lol

I take it as just a gameplay feature too, but that ain't stopping anyone to take it seriously and make some crazy theory about

[rain dock]

Genesis 1 was a simulation, the rest of it was not

[gusty turret]

Hlna and the Rockwell interactions cannot be canon if the Genesis 2 chronicles does not take place in the simulation

Genesis 1 chronicles are iffy

[rain dock]

Really? Why not?

[gusty turret]

Because HLNA wasn't on the arks

And Rockwell says "taking a tour of the old haunts are we" or something like that which unless we just visited the arks on Earth which makes no sense why would that be something he says

[rain dock]

HLNA has a modified version of helenas consiousness, which it began to remember...

And rockwell knows that

[gusty turret]

What does that have to do with the fact that we had to be in the simulation for the Genesis 2 chronicles

[rain dock]

Except there is a cutscene at the very beginning of gen2 that makes it obvious we arent

[gusty turret]

But what does that have to do with the Genesis 2 chronicles

That is before the very beginning of genesis 2

[bold dove]

The fuck is this topic about?

[gusty turret]

The gen 2 chronicles took place in the simulation

[rain dock]

Proof?

[fallow sapphire]

The Gen 2 Chronicles are literally your proof lol

The initial adventures on the ARK’s are real, not a simulation

However going back to them after gen 1 (in anticipation for gen 2) was somehow canon, and is where the gen 2 chronicles takes place

Like revisiting memories, with some connection to the Simulation as HLN-A and Rockwell (through HLN-A) can speak to you

[rain dock]

Quote the exactline

I can say the moon is made of cheese, and then say that the moon is literally the proof, but I am pretty sure we can all agree that is a stupid arguement

[fallow sapphire]

K but the Gen 2 Chronicles are clearly a part of the Simulation, as it takes place after the events of gen 1 and your initial adventures

At minimum, the notes themselves are canon even if the locations arent… but we also see from Rockwell’s Chronicle notes on aberration that the location is key

[rain dock]

Having not read them in several months I cant confirm or deny this. But it seems a ridiculous statement. What I am asking is a quote to back up your stance. Is that so hard to do?

[fallow sapphire]

First of all, you can look up the Chronicles on the wiki, second of all, thats not at all what I got from what you were saying

But fine, I will find some Chronicles that give some proof to concept

[rain dock]

I said "Proof?" and "Quote the exact line". What exactly is hard to understand about that

[fallow sapphire]

Because proof is the Chronicles themselves, and quote the exact line was followed by something completely else so I was confused

Anywho give me a bit to find the notes

[rain dock]

I dont want to read all the gen2 chronicles to prove a point that isnt mine

[fallow sapphire]

And you think I do?

[rain dock]

You made this statement. Its your point

[fallow sapphire]

And you asked for proof, i gave you a place, you dont want to look

[rain dock]

Your place is literally the entirety of the gen2 chronicles. Thats not proof

[fallow sapphire]

That literally is

[rain dock]

No its not

[fallow sapphire]

If i was saying read all the island notes, i could understand

But its 25 notes to read/listen too

[rain dock]

Yeah, and the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. Thats how it works

[fallow sapphire]

Then shut up for 5 minutes so I can find your proof lol

Aight so heres the fun part, theres proof for both sides lol

Note 6: Well now, this is amusing.
Seems I still have some connection to that confounding woman's puppet, even outside of our shared hallucination.

And what do I spy through this oversized eye, but that miserable desert ARK?

Strange, how small it all looks now…

Note 21: Interesting that you're still able to access this simulation remotely.
‘Interesting’... but unhelpful -- you’re needed out in the real-world now!

Yeah, I should definitely get busy shutting down this connection.

There's been a few too many connections turning up around here, if you ask me…

[rain dock]

That talks about connecting to the simulation remotely...

[fallow sapphire]

And so it is

[rain dock]

The other talks about having a connection to hlna

Neither can be construed to mean that they were written in the simulation

[fallow sapphire]

I can respect this finding for that I was misinformed and delusional

[bold dove]

I believe Peter stated they're not physically canon.

HLN-A isn't with you on the ARK's, nor are the disruptance on the ARK's. But the information they give is what's canon

Basically, they're the FNAF books of ARK.

Events aren't canon, but the information they give is.

[mental basin]

Don't remember him saying this.

But yes, that is the census.

The only canon in-world Chronicles are the Extinction Chronicles.

[bold dove]

Don't worry, I compared it to FNAF. He'll appreciate that.

[mental basin]

Hur hur hur hur hurrr

[bold dove]

I can't wait to see Freddy beatbox his theme in ARK-2

ARK-2: Planetary-Breach

[mental basin]

Five ARKs at Diesel's

[bold dove]

God that sounds horrible of a night

[pearl vector]

ark lore is cool but weird and at times really hard to understand, kinda puts me off reading into it at times

[wispy plank]

My favorite part of the lore is the megazord battle in Extinction

[gusty turret]

True

We need to make a full guide book translating Ark to five nights at freddys so its easier to understand

I think we've proven we can pretty easily do that

Its kinda like what youth pastors do except itd actually be fun and helpful

Ark in amogus

[dense ice]

you and @bold dove are making my brain freak out

your names and profile pictures are too similar

👁️ 👄 👁️

[gusty turret]

Neddy what do you think about Five Nights at Freddy's

[dense ice]

excited to see the movie in october

[gusty turret]

Cringe

[dense ice]

? it looks good

i dont care about the games.

never played them, always thought the lore was silly. but the movie looks good

we're in an era where anime or video game live action adaptations actually have learned how to be good

[gusty turret]

Nothing i just wanted the chance to call you cringe

[dense ice]

thanks?

[gusty turret]

You're welcome

[pearl vector]

XD

[hasty creek]

Yes the new witcher and velma were both amazing

[dense ice]

Yo that dont count

Im talking about stuff like one piece, the mario movie, the last of us show

[long eagle]

i though the mario movie was gonna be terrible because it was made by illumination

and they mostly drop stinkers

but it was suprisingly good for an illumation movie