lore-nerdz

[gusty turret]

Its an iceberg

[cedar berry]

This is cool

[low briar]

Guy's obviously new, starting with the story is probably not super important since it means very little from a gameplay experience

[heady mauve]

just do what I did, play the game for a thousand or so hours and "piece" together the story line by glimpses of cutsenes and vague memmories of stuff on youtube, and then decide to play through all the maps to figure it out yourself 🙂

[bold dove]

Shouldn't be in the lore-channel than.

[gusty turret]

Than

Love it or hate it, when it comes down to it correcting grammar is funny

[low briar]

You should know better by now, people don't read channel names half the time and just post whatever, wherever 😂

[cedar berry]

The first time you were able and you had to do something about the situation you had with your family you had a hard life you were not going through it and I don’t think that was

[gusty turret]

That looks like you just picked the recommended text button your keyboard repeatedly

[mental basin]

Well me personally, me personally

I really like this one was the Terran Federation started getting accustomed and it is about to be weak and not only our own to be a final DLC but I think we will have to go to 2-A for a large stretch and then is discovered by Diana’s group of Legionnaires.

[gusty turret]

Respectfully, I have to be at the same place as fortnites in a while back to work on my phone I have to be at the same place in a minute or something like this is what I'm going through and play it in a few hours of the day I have a few hours to go back and then I'll get e

I love the fact that Fortnite was in there

[rain dock]

Imma try

I am not feeling well today and tomorrow is my favorite person in the morning

What

[glad crow]

Nothing that can be both a very good to hear from you soon after a few years ago when I was wondering if you have any questions or concerns please visit the plug-in settings to determine the best regards the happy Monday everyone.

[low briar]

I'm not sure if I can get it to you and I will be there in a few minutes or so if you want to come over and get it to me and I will be there in a few minutes [...]
I get looped 😂

[carmine cedar]

I have no idea going on what is

[low briar]

Predictive keyboard inputs 😂

[agile niche]

It’s always funny to me when I see people on tumblr/other fandom sites obsessed with Rockwell as if he’s like… a redeemable/good person

Cause from his journal entries he’s pretty obviously a paranoid and condescending man from near the outset that’s more or less absolutely okay with treating others as collateral damage

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, no. He's pretty fucking bad.

[glad crow]

I started reading that thinking it was a very specific predictive text message.
As for Rockwell, you'd think they'd draw the line at the murder of a tribe and presumably a newborn baby at the very latest.

[agile niche]

Yeah you would think that, but seeing people like obsess over him just because his voice actor is David Tennant gives me the ick

[low briar]

I still think Tennant is an odd choice for Rockwell. Not that he's a bad VA or actor, I love his work - but I have a hard time picturing his voice as a villain.

I'm too used to him as the Doctor 😂

[bold dove]

He's a good fit for Rockwell, but I do agree that if you haven't seen Tennant in anything else other than Doctor-Who. It's a bit weird.

[low briar]

Maybe. I was expecting someone older sounding

[gusty turret]

Not to say his doctor was bad but 10 was absolutely not the best

The whole "Timelord Victorious" thing was kind of questionable

11 got a lot kinder than the previous two had been

9 told a dalek to kill itself that was something 😭

[low briar]

They all have their merits and bring life to the character in different ways

[gusty turret]

I think 10 was on the unhinged end of things, i could see him going down a Rockwell path

[agile niche]

I def don’t think Tennant sounds as elderly as as Edmund should, but I do think he makes his jeers/pathetic sound bites sound on point

[gusty turret]

Tbh he sounds about like a decrepit old mutant creature would

Ii think it fits

[rain dock]

Rockwell isn't really elderly though

[vast steppe]

Yeah he is

@rain dock I HATE rockwell killed some much warriors

[rain dock]

Might wanna work on some Grammer there. I have no idea what you are trying to say

[gusty turret]

Also true

People seem to think hes like 80 or something

My estimate is 40-50

60 if you're pushing it

[brazen sparrow]

I love the idea that someone of an indeterminate age must just sound old because he has white hair, like what do you want him to sound like? The goddamn Crypt Keeper or something? 😂

And yes, we don't know his age, it is never stated, just that he regards himself as older because his body isn't what it used to be (aka he could literally be anything from 30-70)

[gusty turret]

Hes still a semi-agile man hes not like actively rotting

I think 70 is pushing it way too far

[brazen sparrow]

I do too, I think he's no more than 50 and even that's a stretch, he traversed most of Scorched on his own, like... you really expecting anyone in their 50s to actually do that, with no gear, amongst dinosaurs?

[gusty turret]

I don't think like early 50s is unfair

[brazen sparrow]

Some people be trippin is all I'm getting at

[gusty turret]

Hes kept himself in pretty good shape

Plus ark food would actually be way healthier

Since its not like processed garbage like we have its fresh products

[brazen sparrow]

The nutritional value of dinosaur meat and prehistoric plants/veggies/berries is yet to be known afaik, so idk about that one

Besides the fact that said dino meat is apparently indistinguishable from human meat 😅

[gusty turret]

Thats what happens when you're grown in a tube

You all taste the same

[brazen sparrow]

Fair enough lmao

[gusty turret]

Its fine though

The people on the arks really aren't people they're just livestock

He also has like cocaine juice though so

Who knows what he was getting up to

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah

[fading topaz]

Rockwell is da goat

[brazen sparrow]

I always thought he was da scientist, but to each their own

[low briar]

Now I imagined Rockwell's head on a Shinehorn, so thanks for that

-Cute goat noises-

[gusty turret]

That should've been the gen 2 boss

[errant cliff]

ŶÊŜ

[rugged geode]

does anyone know of a video that explains the lore quite well and in detail? ive only found one that is 12 minutes

[low briar]

Do you want it explained well, or explained quickly? 😂

[rugged geode]

well

i want it as long as it needs to be

[bold dove]

NeddytheNoodle's Survival-stories

[rugged geode]

Alright, thank you

[narrow lichen]

I’ve been obsessed with Rockwell, planning on doing a comic that goes in detail his adventures from the island to aberration

Gen 1 and 2 might come a little later

[carmine cedar]

Can some lore nerd confirm, if its canon that the URE had absolutely no knowledge of how to build a proper oceanic environment, but the Terran Federation did, and did not share the info with the URE

[fallow sapphire]

Honestly logically it is a smart choice. It would help keep people from staying in the ocean for long, only for as long as needed for whatever they wanted. Course that didn’t stop them, but the ARK’s oceans being horrible probably ain’t canon anyway lol

[lament raft]

i imagine in canon the island's oceans are more like rag's in size. especially with water tribes

[bold dove]

Like, the URE actually has a more realistic ocean.

Oceans are mostly baron wastelands of sand and gravel.

[brazen sparrow]

Baron

URE are water barons confirmed

[real magnet]

Rockwell doesnt have exactly 21 ball hairs so its not lore accurate

[carmine cedar]

Nah bro have you been to the great barrier reef

Have u been to the Andaman & Nicobar Islands in India?

Oceans r not dingy sand beds, they have high Sigma

[bold dove]

Notice the name 'reef' 🦛

[carmine cedar]

Well, most of the oceans ain't like that true

But the ARKs are supposed to capture the best part of earth anyway (right?)

[bold dove]

Eh, not really.

They're suppose to replicate a realistic artificial environment.

[carmine cedar]

They're a realistic artificial environment, replicating a natural environment I think

[bold dove]

Correct.
So reefs on the shorelines would be nice, but the deeper oceans would still be hella empty.

[carmine cedar]

True true

[wet abyss]

We fight for a cause

[bold dove]

No

[low briar]

Genesis1, yes. Everything else are artificial environments except the wastelands in Extinction

[bold dove]

Genesis-1 is, but the rest of the 5-story maps aren't.

[narrow lichen]

From what I understand, Genesis 1 is the simulation, after defeating the corrupted master controller, you shatter the simulation and it leads to the events in Genesis 2, prior to that, the Arks themselves were made by the United Republics of Earth (the URE and the Federation combined) alongside the Colony Ship, under the surname Project Genesis, to save the earth, hope this helps a bit

Note: the Arks themselves are Artificial Environments, but to my knowledge the ground you walk on is physical ground from the earth itself, just the sky and oxygen is simulated / filtered

[mental basin]

Genesis: Part One takes place in the Genesis Simulation.

After defeating CMC, you exit the sim and that leads into Gen 2.

Santiago deletes the sim in ARK II, because he feels for the impact he's had on Earth.

[narrow lichen]

Didn’t know that much haha, most I knew was Santiago was alive during the Element War

[mental basin]

ARK II Santiago appears to be a clone, of a clone of Santiago.

It's complicated.

Santiago died, was revived to help with Genesis, died again. Another Santiago without his Gen memories was cloned on Ab, dying on Ext. After Gen 2, Gen Santiago was cloned.

Making him... a clone of a clone.

[gusty turret]

Santiago at least 4.0

[narrow lichen]

Santiago-ception

[mental blaze]

I bet one person put lore for a different game 😂

[low briar]

Xiao

[gusty turret]

Yongki

Minus the anti-transhumanist attitude

Dude just didn't want his family to be cloned without permission

[bold dove]

Aberration/Extinction Santiago was pretty based, also.
He basically indirectly destroyed the world, than sacrificed himself for what would become the catalyst to save Earth.

[narrow lichen]

this guy right here

[gusty turret]

Yknow Nerva didn't really do anything wrong to Mei at least

She just got upset because she put her creatures into a dangerous position and they got killed

[bold dove]

Like....not really.
They where perfectly fine until the Legion ambushed them.

From how all three perspectives describe it, everything was going fine in the Megapithicus fight.
Then the legion came and fucked everything up.
Not really anything you can do on an ambush.
If you're able to prepare for an ambush, than it wasn't a good ambush in the first place. 🦛

[gusty turret]

Most of the death was friendly fire from the giga which is Mei's fault for taming and taking with her after seeing how unstable it is😎

She forgor to whistle passive

[bold dove]

At that point, no one knew much about Giga's.
So their unpredictable nature wasn't known to her until it came-out.
Also, the Giga getting pissed off due to some random-ass firearms from the Legion versus it 'not' getting pissed fighting a equal-sized gorilla that would be able to have equal strength to said Giga is abusrd.

[gusty turret]

Reading the notes so I don't make anything up

Mei was a mercenary for the painted sharks at that point, which had been harassing the legions costal fortresses

So by employment she attacked the Legion first

And she also attacked one of their convoys early on

Mei was infact the aggressor😎

Or maybe not one of their convoys maybe a convoy they were gonna ambush? Idk i skimmed the note

I wish there was more information on the smaller tribes dotted around the island

[bold dove]

Legion enslaving local tribes and burning down villages kind of makes them the aggressors.
There's many examples in real-world history where factions got what they deserved.

The legion lost all form of rights the moment the decided to burn down villages for power. 🦛

[gusty turret]

The only reference i can find to torching villages is when they planted explosives in the painted sharks city to pitch them against Mei

[bold dove]

He states it in his earlier notes.
But he's also Roman.

[bold dove]

Found it.
Black-Thumbs where raided as a testing-grounds for the Legions newly founded firearms.

[gusty turret]

Ahhhh i missed out on the word razed the first time

Actually that was the attack before the Black-Thumbs

The Black-Thumbs were the ones who surrendered their leaders head and gave up

[bold dove]

Correct.
'After' they raided them to test out their firearms.

Dava, you're not looking to well by defending a fucking Roman general. 💀

[gusty turret]

Im just saying Mei wasn't as much of a victim as shes supposed to be😫

They didn't seek her out until after she was attacking them

[bold dove]

Her first interaction with them was when she was paid to defend a caravan.
Which, they wanted to raid.

[gusty turret]

Which is her choice to engage in violent activities in a political environment that may be unfavorable to her after the fact

[bold dove]

Like, yeah.
You're not going to seek me out until I punch you for stealing someone else's luggage. 🦛

[gusty turret]

Sure it was a job but it was a job that consisted of attacking people who wouldn't have even known she existed if she hadn't done so

[gusty turret]

Most of the island consisted of raiders the standards are rock bottom when it comes to stealing

[bold dove]

The same political environment that's hard to get news on due to the lack of reliable communications between tribes?
And the same Legion that was skyrocketing of how fast they where growing?

[gusty turret]

Everyone was fighting and stealing from each other

[bold dove]

Correct.
That still doesn't justify stealing.
If someone is paid to defend something, and harms someone for trying to defend said something. They're doing their job correctly.
A guard isn't bad for wooping a thieves ass for stealing.

[gusty turret]

If you get paid to protect someone from like a mob boss then the mob boss comes and finds you and your family its not like shocked pikachu face whyd you do that its wow i should've thought that through a little better

[bold dove]

I don't know dava, just seems like you're going out of your way to find pointless justification for a warlord. 🦛

[gusty turret]

It doesn't justify stealing here but its not here its a magic space island where everyone is fighting

[bold dove]

It's more like beating up a mob-bosses henchman, while not knowing said mob-boss due to the outdated way of news being traveled (word-of-mouth) and then suddenly in your perspective, having your whole family murdered for an unknown reason.

[lyric tendon]

Nerva's intention is to rule the island and conform the inhabitants in his way of things, peace was never an option to him when the Golden (?) Arrows wants a parlay with The New Legion, asking Nerva to "Leave them alone" but end up having the Arrows' Tribe Leader killed by an ambush that is already set up and the tribe surrendered to The New Legion

Meanwhile Mei just get paid in a form of supplies and armor just for being a bodyguard to different tribes because she can't craft/cook shitte

She has 0 intention to dominate the ARK, she just want to go home

[gusty turret]

"just wanting to go home" doesn't make her invulnerable to repercussions based on who she fights for her jobs

I was told this escort mission would be dangerous, but I had not expected to fight a legitimate army.

Fortunately, I was riding ahead of the main column and spotted them first. After signalling for the convoy to change course, I harassed the enemy from their flanks to draw their attention, then retreated in a different direction. Even that cost me. Many of Wuzhui's brothers were injured and some were killed. Previously, my enemies here fought wildly or scattered when attacked, but these men had discipline.

The leader of the convoy was very grateful. Apparently, few survive an encounter with this "New Legion". I should be wary of them in the future.

The war in the south is not an ordinary one. According to the member of the Painted Sharks that arrived to hire me, his tribe is fighting the New Legion. I admit, that gave me pause. They were formidable before, and they've grown even stronger since we last met. Yet I have grown stronger too, and the Sharks were clearly in desperate straights. I could not turn them away.

As I readied for war, I recalled a dream I had many months ago. I still don't believe in fate, but maybe this is my nature. On this island, maybe I can actually be like Lieutenant Guan.

She actively chose to re-engage the people who she had found to be formidable the first time they fought, knowing they had grown more powerful, but she was also looking to fulfill her fate or whatever of being a military leader

I should have foreseen this. Though I put my pride aside, those audacious Sharks could not. At their behest, I began the long trek back to my own territory this morning.

They say that they will finish the war without me. Doubtful. Without my pack at the van, the New Legion will surely smash them to pieces. But what can I do? I cannot protect them if they do not want my protection.

Will the Legion come for me afterwards? I cannot say, but if they do, I know that I will receive no aid. I must rely on my own strength, and right now I fear it insufficient.

I need to become stronger. I need the Demon King.

[lyric tendon]

And?

That is not her main goal isn't there?

After she is betrayed by that said tribe she is pretty much on her own for the most part

It's just Nerva just want to take advantage of everything

Even if Mei didn't take Merc job, she still have a rep for having formidable tames that would make Nerva be more intimidated

And him being "anti-savages" and all that

[gusty turret]

But if she wasn't a mercenary she wouldn't be on his radar

He wouldn't know she existed, her entire reputation came from her work

[gusty turret]

I wanna say its like 2200-2300? Somewhere around there? Not certain though

Technology grew exponentially with element

[mystic coral]

What happens to the original people on the island when the characters ascended?

When we reach the island all we find are notes

Rockwells manor and every other building is just gone

Same with anyone who was originally on the island

[gusty turret]

That generation of people are gone, its been quite a while

We're the new generation of people

Our character isn't just one person, theres tons and tons of us

Give or take, every single person's character is canon

Although the building decay doesn't match up with only decades of disrepair 😒

[low briar]

It could, considering most tribes probably didn't have access to modern means of construction. Plus y'know, dinosaurs rampaging around everywhere

[gusty turret]

Roman architecture has lasted thousands of years

Do you think nerva shared the recipe for roman concrete like it was some good good drug hookup or something

Obviously not since all the structures are gone but

It would be cool to see Nerva's fortress in game, same with Rockwell Manor

[low briar]

Roman architecture didn't have to contend with literal dinosaurs, or raiding tribes with explosives. Any PvP Bob wouldn't hesitate to crack open Rockwell's Manor for any scrap of loot 😂

Actually ... that might be why we keep finding Rockwell recipes everywhere

[gusty turret]

Nah thats the Shakespeare monkey thing

Where if you give a monkey a typewriter and an infinite amount of time it'll eventually write Shakespeare

Except this time its with overgrown pigeons and scorpions

[low briar]

Might need a bigger typewriter

[gusty turret]

Just start putting implants up their butts

It'll accomplish the same thing

Man the arks were really poorly planned out

We're gonna need you to be the last bastion of humanity except we're gonna try to kill you relentlessly

I feel like allowing civilization to establish so theyd be ready to recolonize would achieve the same thing except much better for all the people you forced to die again

And like even putting implants in the animals to allow for communication between animal and human life so they can evolve in communication with each other instead of separate

They also could've relied on a timer instead of a corruption level on when to send the arks back if they didn't wipe all the civilizations out

Because theyd have armies of people coming down instead of like one random naked guy in a robot suit

Okay so question

If you aren't wearing any clothes but you're in a mek are you technically still naked or is the mek your clothes

[low briar]

beeg Tek suit

[gusty turret]

The most important question we've been missing out on this entire time

Better yet, is skin technically clothes????

Like if you peel some skin off and look at it you don't look at it and be like "oh thats me" its just covering

Officer im not naked i have my skin on

[low briar]

Is skin clothes? Thats like a Jaden Smith level question right there 😂

[bold dove]

22nd-century to 23rd was when tek was made I believe.
25th century is when the tek-war started I believe.
And ARK itself is set so far in the future that the ARK's are starting to malfunction. So probably add another few centuries.

[narrow lichen]

I’m going to invent the specimen implant and make it so everyone has to have one

[bold dove]

That sounds horrible.

[narrow lichen]

You’re goddamn right

[bold dove]

I'd rather not have constant irritation's on my arm due to a foreign object being shoved into my skeleton, and poking out of my flesh.

[narrow lichen]

Eh isn’t so bad, Atleast you obtain all knowledge documented in human history

[bold dove]

That's not how they work

[narrow lichen]

Yesnt

[bold dove]

They're translators and tracking-devices.
And post Helena-Deus, they help with respawning.

[narrow lichen]

Sounds like knowledge to me

[bold dove]

The knowledge part I don't believe was ever confirmed how it works.
But seeing how what we learn are called 'engrams' and engrams are a real thing, that are neurons dedicated to memories if I recall. That means the knowledge comes from us remembering.

[narrow lichen]

[gusty turret]

Simply activate more of our brains

Just electrocute it till it works better

I think its funny Helena says megalodons are like dogs once tamed

It really displays the human mindset well

We'll think anything is a dog if it means we get to pet it

[bold dove]

You....know what electrocution means, right?

Oh wait, did they finally update the definition for both injury and death?

[brazen sparrow]

I, for one, would love to have a universal translator grafted to my skeleton. Not to mention the ridiculous storage capacity in that thing, carrying around entire buildings at the cost of a few pounds and being able to deploy them at will sounds amazing, where do I sign up?

#transhumanist4life

[proven peak]

anyone know if there is a lore reason for the mythical creatures eg wyverns unicorns gryphons ect...?

[brazen sparrow]

Overseer like funny fantasy creatures

The URE

[gusty turret]

Me

I did it

[narrow lichen]

i heard that Rick Astley did

[agile niche]

Overseers create creatures to reset or wipe Arks when the inhabitants consume too many of the ark’s finite resources. Wave 1 of the overseer’s attempt to wipe Scorched were the Mantises, when John Dakeya killed the mantises it created the first wyverns as the next cull. They only started to appear after Raia’s village started growing larger and consuming more resources.

Fantasy creatures are basically the Ark’s high level deterrent to keep survivors from consuming too much

[gusty turret]

Its not a matter of resource consumption its a matter of stagnation

Notice how the Legion never was contested despite being a massive faction

They weren't getting lazy so there was no need to reset them

[bold dove]

It's not about resources, it's about making sure the survivors don't get comfortable.

[dark notch]

After reading for a few seconds I learned a lot about scorched earth

[gusty turret]

Uhhh its a desert

Gramma got some dragons

Thats all you need to know

[sterile snow]

The Giga is pure proof of that.

They have a special skill that makes a brick suddenly appear in your underwear.

[gusty turret]

If the island were to get hit how do you think it would happen?

I think it would probably be the volcano

[sterile snow]

Getting hit?

[gusty turret]

Like if a civilization was gonna get wiped

[sterile snow]

Nah, Obelisk orbital strike.

One such event was confirmed in lore to have happened.

I believe it was either on SE or on the Island.

[narrow lichen]

Crazy thing is I know exactly what you are talking about, it was actually crazy

[proven peak]

So lore wise resources shouldn't respawn?

[gusty turret]

They kinda do but its not like an actual respawn

That information about it being based on resource consumption is incorrect

[proven peak]

what even is element? is it just a new periodic element? with special ppropeties

like almost all fantasy metals

[gusty turret]

Its the periodic element

It does everything that everything does except better

[proven peak]

so its vibranium?

[proven peak]

why does it corrupt stuff then?

[gusty turret]

That is a pretty good comparison

[gusty turret]

Uranium doesn't naturally cause nuclear fallout but when weaponized it does

[proven peak]

right so thats just a use of it

[gusty turret]

We don't really know the exact details of the corruptions nature but there is good element and bad element

And it seems to arise based on use

Blue element is good purple is bad

As you can see on the extinction creatures

Its also organic

It releases spores

Its like if vibranium was insert malicious hivemind from popular media here

[rain dock]

I missed the fight 🥺, I always like being part of those lol

[gusty turret]

There was a fight?

[rain dock]

Oh, sorry, wrong channel

[proven peak]

are the supply drops ever explained? is it just something to aid survivors

[gusty turret]

Unknown

I personally don't think they're canon but

[proven peak]

if they are to help survivors then they dont do a good job

[narrow lichen]

I would agree if it wasn’t one of the focal points before heading into the overseer boss fight, having them emphasize tubes that shoot them down to the island below seems there’s some sorta reason, I’ll have to do some digging and see if there’s any mention of them in the written lore at all

[gusty turret]

As far as i recall they aren't

Its probably just because wildcard wanted it to look cool

Like the moon for extinction

[rain dock]

I believe there is a note from Helena saying she restarted the system for drops or something

[brazen sparrow]

There is, from Helena-Deus

[gusty turret]

I thought that was just a reach and she never actually mentions drops

Along with the fact shed have to reconstruct all the overseer areas on all the arks to include drop tubes and how that would go against the whole "we're running out of time and system" agenda

[brazen sparrow]

I always was under the impression that it was there, incase of some dire need to get supplies to humans on the Arks immediately or something (like in the case of one falling from orbit or being attacked by the corruption, perhaps), and that she just turned it back on. Or, maybe it was used to get the dinos down to the surface, or maybe even specifically for spawning the heavy hitter dinos to stir the pot like the giga and mantises

[gusty turret]

Idk I don't think its ever really give though

We've talked about this before and I don't remember where it ended up

Probably the same place this will where we'll get sidetracked and never actually come to a decision

I was always under the impression they just like manifested the heavy hitters

Like how the wyverns just magically appeared from a rift that opened in the floor

Not like a magic rift but a rift rift

[brazen sparrow]

I honestly think that the wyverns were a special case, since afaik they're the only ones that the Overseer of a given Ark has actually changed the geography directly to accommodate, not to mention when they sink Nosti as well

[gusty turret]

Scorched was just a little quirky

Scorched is also really the only example we have of creatures specifically being created as punishment

So its hard to tell

As far as we can say all the other creatures had been in their places the whole time

[brazen sparrow]

Fair enough, but I do think there's something to be said for the reapers as we do know a tidbit; they come out in force when Santiago and Helena are teleported to the cloning chambers to look into the obelisk almost exploding, almost as if they're defending the place

I could be wrong, actually... it may not have been specifically reapers, but idk, coulda sworn it was

I'm sick as a dog so brain no work good

[gusty turret]

For some reason the note that contains the information is blocked from being sent but it doesn't specify reapers

I think its sounds more like ravagers tbh

Or maybe even a creature that doesn't actually exist on the ark

Because Helena says she tried to sketch what they saw but she just decided she didn't want to half way through and threw it out

Nevermind on that i misread she said she tried sketching some she saw on the way back

[proven peak]

what are the different coloured gems on abb? are they just literaly coloured gems?

[brazen sparrow]

It's anyone's guess, but probably some form of element stabilizing compound or focusing stone, as it is used in element's production via the charge nodes (which is the only known way to produce raw element from an ore, the only other known way of acquiring element is by finding it naturally occurring as far as we know)

[gusty turret]

They're jolly ranchers

[brazen sparrow]

I call the watermelon one

[gusty turret]

I think i uncovered the truth

Its all jolly ranchers

Is it a coincidence that the 3 gem colors correspond with the 3 main jolly rancher colors with element being purple? I think not

[narrow lichen]

[somber geyser]

Bulbdog otter glowtail or shinehorn

[bold dove]

Rockwell prefers shinehorns

[somber geyser]

Ok

[low briar]

Pego squad. Ugly-cute represent

[gusty turret]

Bulldog is superior in that field

[low briar]

Best for base wandering slobber Roomba, but for actual shoulder cuddles - Pego

[low briar]

Shower thought:
Are DodoRex and RaptorClaus/GachaClaus canon? Probably not during the initial Survivor's time, but do you think Helena Deus put them in to fuck with/celebrate with Survivors?

[lyric tendon]

A shower thought makes you ponder longer

That question is just a straight "no"

Even the dossier for the DodoRex/Wyvern has literal no info

[low briar]

But why couldn't they be?

DodoRex shows up in Gen2 missions, so it had to be programmed into a simulation - and we know from Gen1, data in a virtual world can be moved out back into reality (unless every single creature is being simulated by being hooked into the simulation directly like the Survivors)

[lyric tendon]

Only in Genesis 2 through a soil scientist/modder named Nida

None in the previous maps, nor Helena in any form mentioned them in the notes nor in the chronicles

The only creature that overlaps between the ARK Arcs and the Genesis Saga is the Magmasaur

(and the Rockwell node from Ab and Gen 2 but that feels like an Easter egg or a call back)

[low briar]

Just because Magmasaurs were mentioned to possibly be on Scorched, right?

[lyric tendon]

Yep

[low briar]

I dunno, I think it could still be plausible - not like an absolutely solid concrete confirmation, but maybe just a wisp of a chance they could be considered canon in the post-Extinction, Survivor experienced events

[lyric tendon]

The notes themselves are the canon, there is no getting around it

What we do as a survivor is open to interpretation but it doesn't change what is already place in game as canon unless WC decided to change it (again)

Ooh boy

[brazen sparrow]

Dodorex is canon, but the others... who knows

Until they appear in an officially stated capacity and not an event (which for the most part are non-canon, chronicles not withstanding) or are mentioned/asked about in an AMA or something, we have no idea

And what's with the smug "Ooh boy"?

[lyric tendon]

NGL I pictured you as one of the "headcanons is canon" people and preparing myself not to sleep for a possible debate

But so far I kinda agree

[brazen sparrow]

Lol, I don't see how my headcanons could actually effect canon, but to each their own

I always state when I'm theorizing or stating my personal interpretation on a given topic

[low briar]

Kinda how I see it. Greyish area where it could be either way - omission from notes (imo) isn't always a guaranteed non-canon

[brazen sparrow]

(Unless it's an objective fact, of course)

[lyric tendon]

There are already omitted notes that are considered non-canon

Like the early Rockwell & Mei notes, the Elmisha (Helena) notes

The Ab Rockwell #30(?) Is debate because what Soskin wrote is different from Tenant Voiced one

Same with "Boris being a cannibal" because that is actually a placeholder, the real Boris Final Note is considered lost media

Also not forget the Dev Explorer Notes lol

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, like how the various creatures in the sim were added to confirmed canon via a little feature in a mission, the same may be possible to applicably say for the creatures that all just got Helena-written dossiers, seeing as Helena is a canon observer and if she observed the creatures in question they may also be canon, but yes it is still a grey area strictly speaking

[lyric tendon]

The creature submission and Non-story ARK Creature dossiers should not be treated as canon as they appear after Soskin left

Plus they are more of a guide/teaser for gameplay purposes unlike the previous dossiers that has world building in them

[brazen sparrow]

Of course, I have considered them canon since they are written by Helena as stated, but we don't have any official confirmation of that quite yet is all

[low briar]

That's why I'm more of a casual lore enjoyer instead of an expert 😂

[lyric tendon]

Least we forget Ext is meant to be the real finale, so the real story of human Helena stopped there

[brazen sparrow]

Because if they came out and said they were, that would contradict the direct statements of the non-canon maps being non-canon that have been made in the past (which, funnily enough, they keep misspelling as "non-cannon"... coincidence???)

[low briar]

Nah, they just never tried taming a Rock Elemental on those maps

[lyric tendon]

At this point the dossiers for the creatures submission is more for gameplay than lore, there is no need for a double check from the writers themselves

It's pretty obvious it is meant as a teaser for the release

[brazen sparrow]

Sure, but that has little to no bearing on the story viability of the non-canon Arks (which would be feasible for human Helena to visit, given if the creatures therein were indeed canon)

Overall, idk, I think the best outcome (however unlikely) would be that they retroactively make all the maps canon with ASA. The more plausible scenario, however, is that they just say "oh yeah btw those creatures may or may not be in the databases of the System and/or the Ship and the maps are still non-canon"

[low briar]

Rule of Cool 👍

[gusty turret]

Technically everything is canon

They could make literally anything they wanted via the simulation

If that isn't evident with the living molten rocks that they tested on scorched

My question is why did they test it in the real world instead of just leaving it in the simulation

[bold dove]

I believe something about the fact the creatures in the simulation are based off-of real (in-universe real) creatures.
Kind of why magmasaurs can be summoned by summoners on Gen2.

[gusty turret]

Oh they can?

I didn't actually know that, never spent much time on gen 2

[bold dove]

Also, this isn't entirely how canon works.
They can 100% say that everything is a simulation, and all maps are canon. Which would of course make them canon.
But the fact they already named them 'non-canon' kind of means they're, in fact, not canon.
Even if Wildcard would make everything pre-ARK-2 into a simulation, that'd still leave the custom-maps as non-canon unless Wildcard stated otherwise.

[gusty turret]

I thought they just like printed it out of the simulation and were playing with it for some odd reason

[bold dove]

I believe the Chronicles stated they where originally planned for Scorched, until they realized they'd work better in the Gen-simulation.

[gusty turret]

I thought it was just they were tested on scorched like a trial in the real world

Idk

Post extinction is boring

[bold dove]

I could be wrong. Need to recheck when I have a chance.

[bold dove]

Missions are fun, but holy hell the Alpha ones need to be rebalanced.

[gusty turret]

Oh yeah definitely

[low briar]

And completing Alpha should unlock Gamma and Beta. No need to do all 3 for every mission

[bold dove]

Half of the alpha missions aren't even possible without exploiting in single-player.

[gusty turret]

I was trying the alpha bloodstalker one and it pulled me off my giga from miles away and then raged the giga like instantly

[bold dove]

Wanna know something funny?

Tek-pistols are your best friend.

[gusty turret]

Oh yeah 100%

[low briar]

I was gonna say Skiff and Basilisk

[gusty turret]

Didn't they even get nerfed and they're still busted

[bold dove]

Skiff is good, but tek-pistol is actually faster if I recall.

[bold dove]

Yerp.

[gusty turret]

I used tek pistol on most gen 2 mission bosses

Survive the ark is my favorite mission overall

[low briar]

Survive the Ark is so good 😂

[gusty turret]

I love the gauntlet style mission i wish the gen 1 gauntlets were like survive the ark

[bold dove]

Cause they do like 8x damage max-stacked.
Which is effected by the damage percentage.
So if you have like a 500% damage pistol, that's fucking 8x that damage per tick.

[low briar]

Thought it ramps up to 20x?

[bold dove]

I thought boss-creatures only ramp-up to 8x?

[low briar]

Oh, maybe that's it

[bold dove]

Even so, that's a fuck load of damage.

[low briar]

Been a while since I set Phasers Pistol to kill

[bold dove]

Aaaaaand, Alpha hunts still can take 5-10 minutes of straight shooting to fucking kill them. 🦛

: )

[bold dove]

Hopefully they will in ASA.

I hope they completely redo the adventure-missions in Gen2, and make them actually be set within the ship itself.
Like Cedric originally stated on stream.

[spice pendant]

Does anyone know what dossier is in between the Rex and saber tooth for Helena walker?

[bold dove]

For which note?

Oh, I'm dumb.

[low briar]

Rex, Rock Drake, Rock Elemental, Roll Rat, Sabertooth, Sabertooth Salmon

[spice pendant]

There’s only one I’m missing I don’t see 4 extra ones?

[low briar]

Just going off the wiki creature list, not looking in-game

[spice pendant]

Ok was just wondering

[dawn stirrup]

Maybe Ryhniognatha?

If yer on the Island

[hollow holly]

maybe they should just redo the whole map

its very bland compared to the rest

[hollow holly]

dont you dare react my message with " "

is a fact

gen2 is just a tek suit simulator 🤣

very interactive gameplay!

[low briar]

Not really a discussion for this channel, but visually the map is pretty distinct if slightly lacking in overall variety

[hollow holly]

oh shoot i

i'm in the lore channel

honestly the map is fine the problem is within the gameplay specially the fed suits and stryder farming that take away all effort

[brazen sparrow]

It was the last DLC, what did you expect?

[low briar]

It's meant to be an end-game sunset DLC

[brazen sparrow]

Also, the free tek suit isn't nearly as bad as people say it is, it's literally hide armor that can fly lmao

And only on one map to boot

[low briar]

Only part that sucked and was patched was the full power Tek Punches

[brazen sparrow]

2 if you count the kool-aid from Ab, but you have to constantly go back and throw yourself in

[hollow holly]

which made 75% of all official players go insane

don't you think there should be a sense of balance

even if its a sunset DLC

[low briar]

I do - that's why I'm glad it was patched

[fallow sapphire]

Honestly i think the drops are the biggest unbalance of gen 2

Creatures are powerhouses/incredibly helpful

But the drops give you the end of end tier gear every 3rd drop

[brazen sparrow]

Not really any more, they took all the good loot out, toned down what was left, and the creatures have all been nerfed severely

[hollow holly]

element asteroid moment 💀

[fallow sapphire]

Even nerfed it’s still really good

[brazen sparrow]

I usually just get a shit ton of like plant z seeds and fert, with the occasional BP for a dura focused tek bow or something

I get better loot quality on Val or Ab by far

[hollow holly]

no person should ever be able to spawn in naked and get tek structures from drops 🤣 it shouldn't be a thing

[brazen sparrow]

Fjordur, even

[fallow sapphire]

Idk whats wrong with your drops then pikmin

[brazen sparrow]

Which is why they removed most of them...

[hollow holly]

i still get tek gens/trans

[fallow sapphire]

The main thing about gen 2 is its meant heavily (obviously) to be paired with gen 1

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, the basic stuff that you still need engrams to use

[hollow holly]

still end game items that you shouldn't be able to get with minimal effort

[hollow holly]

that would be sick

scrap all gen1 and gen2 servers and just combine them

[brazen sparrow]

A tek generator? That's endgame to you? Lmao

[hollow holly]

its got "tek" in its name

[low briar]

Early Mid, at best

[brazen sparrow]

It's literally just a QoL item, like an incubator

[fallow sapphire]

An expensive QoL tbf

[low briar]

So does Tek Parasaur 😂
End game dinoooooo

[brazen sparrow]

Ok, and? Oh boy, here comes my tek light, real endame stuff!

[arctic bison]

a lot of stuff is just expensive to be expensive in Ark tbh

[brazen sparrow]

I don't think the tek gen is even all that expensive tbh, the replicator sure, but the gen itself is piddling in comparison to most other structures let alone it's own tier

[hollow holly]

tek gen isn't just QoL you need it to power certain tek structures

[fallow sapphire]

Its costly, maybe not as much as some stuff on its tier, but its still not exactly cheap

I mean, still QoL

[brazen sparrow]

...Which you still need the engrams to use, lol

[fallow sapphire]

Even getting the structures is a huge positive even if you cant use it, cause you can atleast get the resources from it via a grinder

[brazen sparrow]

Sure, some metal and some electronics and pearls, no element or hard poly though

As if mats are hard to get in the first place

[fallow sapphire]

Course they aint hard, but its always nice to get it for free

[brazen sparrow]

True, but time spent getting the drop is time wasted that could've gotten 10x the mats elsewhere so it balances out imo

[fallow sapphire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I’m not trying to argue that drops on gen 2 are far more worth it or anything, just that they can be worth and can contain items far better then any other map, especially for low level peeps

[brazen sparrow]

Sure, I'll concede the low level bit

[fallow sapphire]

High level of course it’ll be more efficient to farm

[brazen sparrow]

But anyone past early mid-game is wasting their time imo

Have to get a grinder to grind down the stuff too, for the low level fellas

Which iirc only drop on one cycle

[fallow sapphire]

One cycle is still a chance

anywho

This ain’t anything related to lore anymore

[brazen sparrow]

Never has been

[fallow sapphire]

True lol

[brazen sparrow]

This whole convo is irrelevant to the channel 💀 (I just had to say my peace for my boy Gen 2)

[fallow sapphire]

Most conversations in here aren’t about lore

[low briar]

Mods aren't paying attention, everything is on topic 😂

[fallow sapphire]

That gen 1 loot though

[low briar]

Skins and Emotes, my favorite

[fallow sapphire]

Better yet, fishing loot

That holds a lot of crap, but some rare amazing gems

[brazen sparrow]

I usually don't bother, unless I get a reaaaaaaaaaaaaally good rod BP from a tuso or something

[fallow sapphire]

I got a 473 from a gen 1 loot crate, went fishing and got some amazing bps

[hollow holly]

OSDS are the real deal

[low briar]

If I wanted to play mini games for Stone Foundations, then I'll do Missions 😂

[fallow sapphire]

I think you’re thinking of gen 2 missions, gen 1 don’t give structures other then ocean platforms

[gusty turret]

I don't understand why gen 1 gives stuff overcap

Like i had a like 500 armor turtle bp from dodoball once

[brazen sparrow]

Because the missions are ass, so that's your reward, broken shit 🤣

If you happen to slog through them, that is

[gusty turret]

The hard ones don't give anything op though its the easy ones that'll give you the most broken stuff

I also don't understand why they only implemented the tek binoculars as a single mission reward instead of a full item

They should actually implement it in ASA

Its not even asking for much yknow they already have the full item in the game it just doesn't transfer

Unless they removed it that is

[fallow sapphire]

Mission reward? I thought it was only from 35k loot crates

[fallow sapphire]

Well debatable… they put tek rifles behind the brute tek giga

[gusty turret]

Oh maybe it is i thought a mission in the snow gave it

[waxen flame]

did somebody say snow

[fallow sapphire]

The roo defense one gives railguns

Most of the good stuff is locked behind easy missions, you are correct, but there are some things lol

[gusty turret]

Who uses Tek rifles anyways

[fallow sapphire]

For CMC? Me

[gusty turret]

Why

[fallow sapphire]

Good damage, easy switch instead of reloading a shotgun

When you have like 30 seconds to deal 37,500 damage, rifles are great

[gusty turret]

Id rather use a shotgun

[fallow sapphire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty turret]

Tek stuff is overused by bobs cuz its a massive skill crutch

Aka why gen 2 was a bob map

[fallow sapphire]

Fair enough, but it has its uses

[gusty turret]

I cant decide if scorched is my least favorite map for being too hard or gen 2 is for being too easy

[fallow sapphire]

Scorched ain’t even that hard

[gusty turret]

Its pretty bad

[fallow sapphire]

But of the two gen 2 is on the bottom imo

[gusty turret]

Hey you need water? Too bad the only source of it has 500 kapros

[fallow sapphire]

Water wells

[gusty turret]

Not viable until you can get established

[fallow sapphire]

Viable enough, the vein allows you to get a drink

Obviously no waterskins getting refilled, but they’d drain so fast anyway they ain’t worth it

[gusty turret]

Then 20 terror birds come from the shadow realm and eat you

[fallow sapphire]

Bolas

Idk I love scorched

[gusty turret]

I also don't like lightning storms breaking generators

[fallow sapphire]

Not enough to call it my favorite map or anything

But I love it

[fallow sapphire]

That is fair

[gusty turret]

I don't carry 500 bolas

[fallow sapphire]

I did like it when lightning storms used to stop anything metal/electrical

Made it interesting

[gusty turret]

Your best bet is taming a horde of vultures

[brazen sparrow]

Still don't see why tek is effected by them at all, but the storm itself is v cool

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah out of everything to get effected, outside of gameplay, tek seems the weirdest

[gusty turret]

It at least shouldn't get damaged if you're in shelter

Like in a cave or something

I just really don't like it

Not a fun map

I prefer Aberration

Far superior

[fallow sapphire]

Oh thats not even a competition

[brazen sparrow]

Best caves in the game, but yeah not the greatest map ever made, that goes to Ab 100% of the time

[fallow sapphire]

Ab is so much better

[gusty turret]

At least the gimmick isn't "its really hot and you die a bunch"

You get

ARKquakes????

God can you just use anything as a prefix and put quakes at the end

At what point do we stop naming them and just start calling them quakes

[fallow sapphire]

Dont forget about radiation

[brazen sparrow]

And also the unmatched power of the sun

[errant cliff]

Supercalifragilisticexpealidociousquakes

[bold dove]

Earthquakes, Marsquakes, Moonquakes. 🦛

[gusty turret]

No

I decline

[bold dove]

The earliest ARK's I believe are technically the protoARK's on Extinction.

[gusty turret]

I don't think they tested it beyond protoarks

Well there was the farm

[brazen sparrow]

(Which is The Island)

[jaunty vine]

Where is imamus last journal

[lyric tendon]

abandon hope

[gusty turret]

I feel like you're just asking for aberration 2.0 which is valid because aberration is the best map but its kinda counterintuitive

[mint flame]

Yo what are the giant floaty thingys outside of the map of abberation? cuz they're no the obelisks so what are they

[gusty turret]

Huh?

[fallow sapphire]

The exterior pillars?

[gusty turret]

Hey guys lets ask a question but be as unspecific as possible so its easy to answer

For all i know we're talking about the stars

[lyric tendon]

ARK pillars and fragments of them

seen here
https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/ARKs

[mint flame]

Ah damn did not know they existed 💀

[ripe garnet]

Yeah and they are broken due to a future tribe that existed on aberration thst decided to blow up the arena where the oversear there was and damaged the ark in the process

[mint flame]

Yea I know that part but I thought the obelisk went boom

[mental basin]

Where in the Notes was that stated?

[brazen sparrow]

It's pictured in the Gen 2 notes, can't look it up rn (besides, the wiki doesn't tend to have the pictures tied to the notes, for whatever reason...)

It's also a very easy conclusion to draw outside of the image when paired with the fact that The Island was originally from Sanctuary, where the proto-Arks were tested (and likely The Farm, hence it's presence there)

[gusty turret]

Tbh i think its weird how the island had no mention of ever smiting anyone

If it was gonna smite anyone it probably would've been Rockwell

[brazen sparrow]

It's because The Island's inhabitants, well, did what they were supposed to

But it could be argued that the Giga was the recompense for the hint of an idea of staying on the Island and ruling it that Nerva had, shortly before being convinced to go do tek stuff by Rockwell

[lament raft]

yeah the legion would have been smited before long if they kept taking over probably

[brazen sparrow]

They certainly got smote in the Overseer arena 😅

[lament raft]

big smote

then Mei Yin came in and ninjad the ascension

[brazen sparrow]

Literally sneak looted the ascension levels like some rude dungeon party member

[lament raft]

Helena too

[hollow holly]

any speculations on what arat prime would look like

[bold dove]

A ship launch site

But like, really big.

[frank cape]

Why is there 1 obelisk on aberration

[fallow sapphire]

There’s still 3 obelisks, just separated by the surface mountains

[bold dove]

There's three

[frank cape]

Where are the other 2

[bold dove]

The other two surfaces

[gusty turret]

I wanna eat an obelisk

Its just like a big popsicle

[jagged tiger]

I've had a question since they added the new cinematics, specifically the Extinction Prologue, that part where Helena mentions that she found love. What does she mean by that? Did she fall in love with Mei Yin?

[jaunty vine]

I think so, when she says she found love it shows her and I think mei yin by a fire

[bold dove]

Seems to be more 'love' as in friendship.

As Helena, and Mei already have lovers.

And it'd be awkward as all hell to fall in love with someone after your spouse dies, only for them to come back after your current lover "dies."

[jagged tiger]

Well, thanks for clarifying my doubt

[jagged tiger]

¿?

[jagged tiger]

Sometimes I think the relationship between Helena and Mei Yin is confusing. Although I'm not sure if it will be different in the animated series

[swift gale]

Dollie implied that Diana will be in the show so ig helena will be a wingman or something

[jagged tiger]

Seriously, when did she say that?

[gusty turret]

She talks in here quite a lot so hard telling

Why can't you link messages from the server😫

[bronze turtle]

Wait there is?

I feel stupid rn

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah, you just gotta travel around the map

[gusty turret]

I never go to the surface its so empty

So boring

Especially since i was on a server that was getting ddosed and i tried to go for surface drops and i ended up losing a lot of my stuff because it went down right when i went out

I wish theyd add some separate caves on the surface or something just so theres more up there, more safe havens and stuff

I want a glowpet refuge like they have on Fjordur😈

[bold dove]

Yeah, that's the point.

The surfaces aren't suppose to make you 'want' to stay there.
The point is that you're suppose to make a quick in-and-out trip to them for loot, while having to deal with Reapers.

[gusty turret]

It's cool how they made a day night scale though i wish theyd use that for something else

They could probably incorporate that on other maps for tides if they really wanted tbh

[bold dove]

Seasons?

[gusty turret]

Seasons would be cool

I just wish the maps were more dynamic

[bold dove]

Well, that's what it is I believe.
How it's like 90% night cycles.

[gusty turret]

We know tides are possible because of Rockwell's poop pit 😒

[bold dove]

Hopefully ASA will incorporate stuff from later maps like this into earlier ones.

[gusty turret]

Rockwells rectral retribution

There i made it an alliteration

[bold dove]

The season-system where some days are longer than others should be on all maps.

It'd be cool if snow-zones on maps also have interactable snow. And the snow-height will increase during blizzards, and decrease once they end.

[gusty turret]

I kinda hope they make the overseer volcano erupt

[bold dove]

If they increase The-Islands size, that could be cool.
But as of right now, the current scale of The-Island wouldn't do so well if they did that.

[gusty turret]

They could pretty easily just add lava trails down the side and add some black charred bits

That part of the map is really empty besides trees and like sabertooths anyways

[bold dove]

Well yeah. Cause it's for building.
It's an online sandbox game by the end of the day.

[gusty turret]

But lava is cool

[bold dove]

Eh.

Subjective.

[gusty turret]

I like the lava trails on rag i just wish they weren't the instakill lava

[bold dove]

Lava is just melted rocks and metals

[gusty turret]

I have no idea why they didn't replace all lava with genesis lava once they made genesis lava

[bold dove]

Probably cause they didn't want to go back and fuck with the maps too much, in case they break

[gusty turret]

Hopefully they change that because instakill lava is my worst enemy

[bold dove]

I agree.

I want funny spicy-water.

(context of the joke, the lava on The-Island is literally reskinned water that does tick-damage and gives the fire-effect.)

[gusty turret]

Its funny dropping people in the rag volcano but one time i was on a bloodstalker going through center and i accidentally landed in lava and i was just dead instantly

Like theres some areas where instakill lava is okay like certain parkour portions of caves and stuff but general lava should just be spicy water

[bold dove]

You can actually drink from lava sources and get your water back, and put irrigation pipes in them that'll work.

Oh, and you can place rafts in them too.
But I believe they take damage over time also.

I want more spicy-water

[gusty turret]

They should make stone rafts

For lava

Motorboats would probably be fine too tbh

I have no idea what metal alloy we use but it seems really strong

It would be silly of they released an april fools update where all the ores were separate kinda like prim plus

I would unironically play that

[bold dove]

Seems we just use flatout iron, since we don't mix our metals.

[gusty turret]

I don't think you can use flatout iron to make circuit boards

[bold dove]

Probably not, but welcome to gameplay over lore.

[gusty turret]

I just think itd be fun to actually have to get different kinds of metals and stuff

Idk how spyglasses work like do we just wrap a crystal in a leaf and boom spyglass????

Because thats what it seems like

[bold dove]

I think having the crafting recipes be more logical, but still fun would be interesting.

[gusty turret]

Thats why i played prim plus so much

[bold dove]

I may get hate for this, but I think we need more multi-step crafting.

[gusty turret]

It wouldn't work in pvp i feel like but for pve i think itd be fun to add more depth to crafting

[bold dove]

Like a fucking sci-fi 3D printer shouldn't need flatout iron to make.
That should be an alloy, and that alloy should be made into another alloy with Element.
It'd take away needing just metal and Element, and allow the recipe to have less shit involved but more steps.

[bold dove]

Cementing-paste, circut-boards, hard polymer, etc.

[gusty turret]

It wouldn't even be that difficult just put metal and element in an industrial forge boom whatever alloy you need

[bold dove]

Right.

[gusty turret]

It could weigh less and stack higher than regular metal so its more convenient and it just makes sense

[bold dove]

Maybe it doesn't weight less, but you need less of it for recipies, so it'd make hauling it less of a chore like metal ingots.

[gusty turret]

Realistically though a singular ingot would weigh less because it is less iron than it was initially replaced by element

[bold dove]

Like, instead of 3,000 ingots for the replicator. You'd need 500 of this tek-alloy.
It weighs the same, but that's so much less weight all around.

[gusty turret]

Are we working under the assumption element is near weightless?

[bold dove]

If it's near weightless, wouldn't it not effect the iron if mixed in?

[gusty turret]

But per ingot you're getting less iron because some has been filled with element

Unless the ingots are just bigger

[bold dove]

Depends I believe.
We see in Aberration that Element is more liquid than the ooze-like state metal and lava go into when refined. So I think it'd actually would be more absorbed into the metal, making it basically the same metal but stronger.

[gusty turret]

Idk im no metallurgist idk how that works

[low briar]

It's a semi-sentient space miracle material. Physics and logic don't need to make sense

[bold dove]

I'm not either. I'm just going with trying to think of it like a cheese sauce.
You make a lump of butter, flower, and milk at first. It makes a weird dough-like substance.
Once you add the cheese though, it makes it all stringy, but unless you add a shitload of cheese, it doesn't increase its size, cause the cheese goes mixed with all of the other ingredients. But it does increase the weight of it.
If we apply this to also this situation, I believe Element would mix into the metal, but not increase the mass of it due to it being weightless.

[brazen sparrow]

Since when was element weightless, again?

[low briar]

Adding cheese to dough absolutely increases the mass

Volume would also increase, but as stated it's not really noticeable unless you add a significant amount of it

Same goes with any ingredient

[brazen sparrow]

I just realized

flower

[low briar]

Element dust is just space flower to be baked into Tek Loafs

That's why it's usable in custom recipes 😂

[brazen sparrow]

Kekw

[bold dove]

I should've said "it doesn't increase it by a noticeable amount" unless you add a shitload.

[gusty turret]

Idk im just going off its weight in game and the ease of movement tek armor seems to have

I feel like logically it would be weightless

[low briar]

But we know it's not because stacks of Element literally have weight

[gusty turret]

But its like extremely light to the point of indifference

[bold dove]

Doesn't Element have a carry-weight of like .1 per-piece?

[low briar]

And I don't think resource weights vs final product weights of any tier/recipe are realistic

[bold dove]

You're telling my the giant 3D printer isn't 4-pounds?!!?

[gusty turret]

It might be

[low briar]

Yes.

[gusty turret]

How else do we carry it in our pocket

[low briar]

Shocker

[gusty turret]

And you gotta make those things at an obilisk like they must be actually really small and light

Literally the size of a jerboa

Tek jerboa

[low briar]

Well no, because Obelisks can upload tons of resources/creatures

[bold dove]

Maybe you're not making a 3D printer.
Maybe we're paying the Overseer taxes, and he's giving us the replicator?

[low briar]

So that means...

Obelisks must be bigger on the inside 🤔
-cue TARDIS noise-

[gusty turret]

David Tennant

Its like in the family of blood where he forgets hes a timelord and becomes human so they can't track him so hes Rockwell

Oh yeah im cracking the timeline

[bold dove]

I believe Nerva's notes kind of describe it that they kind of assimilate the artifacts.

So I assume the obelisks also just consumes our resources.

[low briar]

Consumes our resources ingredients and Element Space Flower, spits out a Replicator Tek Loaf

Fresh out the oven Obelisk

[gusty turret]

If i was gonna make a tek loaf i would make it from a jerboa

[low briar]

Wouldn't that make it a Tek Shepard's Pie?

[bold dove]

Add extra flower, flour, and some flounders.

[gusty turret]

Maybe the tek structures are kinda like cryopods and you just pokeball them out of their weightlessness

That would explain the particles

[low briar]

Damn it, I know there was something wrong with Flower. I meant Flour.

This is why I don't bake, I look like an idiot 😂

[bold dove]

Don't worry, I forgot how to spell 'flour' earlier so I defaulted to 'flower'

Why the fuck did they name two ingredients the same fucking thing? 💀

[gusty turret]

Well usually you don't call it just flower you specify what kind of flower

Unless im missing flower as an ingredient here

[bold dove]

Dandelions.

[gusty turret]

Do you ever just see an old womans flower garden and wanna eat all the flowers

[bold dove]

Dandelions, must be the last one of the season. 😄

[bold dove]

Dandelions are actually edible and used in some foods.

[gusty turret]

All flowers are edible if you try hard enough

[bold dove]

Well, that's anything than

[gusty turret]

Not anything

[bold dove]

What isn't?

[gusty turret]

You can't eat sounds

[bold dove]

Fucking watch me.

The soundwaves will go into my mouth.

[gusty turret]

But how do you eat them

[bold dove]

Same as air.
consume

[gusty turret]

But you don't eat air

Theres a difference between consuming and eating

[bold dove]

You do if you swallow.

[gusty turret]

Mmmm im not convinced thats how it works

[bold dove]

Okay, but than what causes air-bubbles to form in your body?

[brazen sparrow]

That was my whole joke earlier, glad you noticed 🥲

[gusty turret]

Air being in places its not supposed to be

[low briar]

You don't need air to have sound, just need a medium to pass through

[gusty turret]

What does that have to do with eating air or sound

[brazen sparrow]

It's an anecdote on the way that you don't need air to have sound, and therefore don't need to eat air to also eat sound

(I think)

[low briar]

Yeah basically

[gusty turret]

But that doesn't prove anything to me i don't think you can eat air or sound

Sound passing through a medium isn't eating it

[low briar]

@small rune halp

Tanks

[small rune]

[gusty turret]

What'd i miss

[low briar]

What's the preferred method to flagging mods? Tried messaging DodoMail, but he didn't wanna listen

[rigid grove]

Message (dms must be enabled) or @ mention Dodo Mail

[lyric tendon]

I mean, you technically can taste air

[low briar]

Ah, that'd do it

[jaunty vine]

What’s the point of skye’s explorer note

[brazen sparrow]

To make Ark Park VR canon, that's literally it

[gusty turret]

Literally anything can be canon because of the simulation

[low briar]

Imagine our survivors got stuck in ArkPark instead of Gen1 😂

[fallow sapphire]

I dont want to imagine that hell

[gusty turret]

I've never seen a playthrough of ark park it bores me so much

Idk why anyone would ever play it

The like 1 video i saw was just blatantly bad

It wanted to be Jurassic park too bad instead of a parody of Jurassic park

[jaunty vine]

Why is ark park boring

[lyric tendon]

Because barely have content and lore

[brazen sparrow]

Because it's a poorly made cash grab by Snail, like PixArk is

At least Ark Park VR had some creative input by WC, so it wasn't just another Dark and Light attempt like PixArk

Still trash, but definitely the better of the two games

[gusty turret]

Pixark was a nice concept but it was done so poorly

I bought it and its just unbelievably dead

And the controls don't work at all on playstation

At least i got it on sale though so it was only a few dollars

[brazen sparrow]

RIP your few dollars, would've been better spent buying Anthem for 3 dollars tbh

At least that game has content

[jagged tiger]

Could Helena return in Ark 2?

[gusty turret]

Technically maybe but its improbable

[fallow sapphire]

Technically speaking anyone could return in ark 2, just without their memories of the ARK’s

[jagged tiger]

So, would it be a reboot? It's a pity that she wouldn't have her memories of the ARKs

But I don't understand what happened with Mei Yin and Diana? Will they no longer have memories of what they experienced?

I understand that everyone's memories are implanted.

If they're going to feature the original characters without their memories, I don't want anything.

[gusty turret]

We really can't say anything for sure till we get the new story dlc with ASA

We don't know for sure what happened with Mei and Diana, we don't know what Helena has been up to, we don't know who may have possibly survived on the eden ring

Cuz keep in mind we sacrificed half the people on board with the corrupted ring

[dense lodge]

I wonder what the new dlc is gonna be

[jagged tiger]

Why would they return without their memories? The story tells us that their memories are implanted

[fallow sapphire]

I’m not saying they won’t have their memories, they just won’t have their memories of the ARK’s

So lets say Mei and Diana were both cloned into the genesis ship and were in Ark 2, they wouldn’t know eachother

Rockwell could technically come back, with no knowledge of element or what his other self did

[jagged tiger]

And why would Mei and Diana be cloned if they are still alive in Arat Prime?

[jagged tiger]

It would be a shame if Mei and Diana don't know each other in Ark 2. 😥

[fallow sapphire]

The Genesis Ship has the same clone database as the ARK’s

So anyone and everyone that were on the ARK’s was also on the Genesis Ship

Buuuuut because only one ring survived Gen 2’s ending, we only have half the civilization housed on the Genesis Ship

[jagged tiger]

Well, I'm going to wait for the new story map of Ark to come out to see what happened to Mei and Diana. As far as I know, they arrived on the ship through the simulation, right?

[fallow sapphire]

Never really stated what happened to them, but it is mentioned in an HLN-A discovery that they got Helena to Arat Prime and beamed her into the simulation, so yes it is possible

[jagged tiger]

Taking that into account, then Mei and Diana still retain their memories of the ARKs.

[fallow sapphire]

Saying they went to the simulation, yes

But there is the chance they didn’t go, or they were on Rockwell’s corrupted ring

So is it possible they survived Extinction and made it to the Simulation? Yes. Is it possible they survived the events of Gen 2, and Rockwell’s destruction? Yes. But nothing is confirmed, and who knows if they will even be part of the new story map

[jagged tiger]

I think that would be the last place where Mei would want to be.

[fallow sapphire]

If they went to the simulation, don’t think they really had a choice of where they went on the ship. I mean look at us, we enter the simulation and have to battle out way out to escape and face Rockwell

[jagged tiger]

They are two of the most beloved and important characters in the story, so I believe they should be included. Besides, both of them survived their battle against the King Titan, so a spaceship being destroyed is nothing to them.

[fallow sapphire]

Battling godzilla is a completely different feat then surviving an explosion that could easily decimate a planet

Nevertheless, my point is there is no confirmation they lived or died. As much as I would like them to be alive, we really don’t have much to go on, and without knowing when or where the new story map is gonna be set in, we don’t even know if they’ll be there

[jagged tiger]

Isn't the story supposed to take place on another planet?

[fallow sapphire]

Ark 2’s story takes place on another planet, but the new story map coming to ASA is unknown

Could be a prequel to the Island, the bridge between Extinction and Gen 1, or a sequel to Gen 2 and prequel to Ark 2

Or somewhere else technically, but that’s all the areas i could see a new canon map fitting

[valid gale]

hey sorry

just let me check ive got this right

helena gets to exiintion with some help cases the deaths of a lot of titans

all bar the one you have to fight

then at osme point asends to being a homo deus

which prevents her form latter goig to the colony ship

instead sending a part of herslef in the form of i want to say its name is HNLA?

which then hekps you when you go thre

and you dont ever achuly asend to being homodeus you just go on to chill in ark 2?

on the new world with everyone else?

[fallow sapphire]

For the most part, yes

[valid gale]

anything im missing paritularl

i know im ocmpleyly negleeting rockwell and eveyrone else

also i know rockwell is evil but creid where cerdi is due

man was smart

or at the very least dedicated i mean he became a god

[brazen sparrow]

Purely in terms of planned release window (which could change at any moment or even be changed already), it comes out in between Aberration and Extinction. Just some food for thought

[fallow sapphire]

I noticed that as well, but Aberration’s ascension ends at Extinctions beginning

So slotting something in the middle doesnt make sense

[valid gale]

were getting more sotry with ASA i was under the impertion they were skyriming us and just reflavoring ark?

should probubly read the notes

[brazen sparrow]

I agree completely, I think it'll be in between Extinction and Gen or something as you said

[fallow sapphire]

Who know’s though, time will tell

[valid gale]

sorry but they feed right into each outher

ah already been said my bad

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah there is a new story map planned for ASA

[valid gale]

oh nice

[fallow sapphire]

No info on what or when it takes place in the story

Just that it’s canon

[valid gale]

id be down for somthig between exitntion and gen 1

be nice to achuly enjoy earth

afterr all the hard work rather then being wwisked awya to a colony shi

[brazen sparrow]

There's a significant chunk of time unaccounted for in between Ext and Gen, so it's the most theorized placement right now within good reason

[valid gale]

ship with all its own problems

[gusty turret]

Nah thats the gripe everyone who hasn't read literally anything they're changing has

And they're all just blatantly wrong

Are we gonna talk about how pretty much everything is technically made from element now

Like the people were grown in tek pods where their consciousnesses were stored in tek databases and they were created from the system which relies on element

They aren't people they're element-grown meat usb sticks

[brazen sparrow]

They still use biomatter, which element can't replicate entirely iirc

[gusty turret]

But like its fundamentally element

How else do we just magically fly through space in ghost form

Not actually ghost form but whatever that form is we turn into where we're like pure energy

[brazen sparrow]

That's.. not humans though

[gusty turret]

In the ascension scenes where we fly through space between the arks?

Thats actually just island but

Or where we like magically zoom through the rings on abb

Id count that too

[brazen sparrow]

That's us being uploaded as data/energy, which matter can be transformed into

[gusty turret]

But like are we really still the same after

Are we deconstructed and reconstructed somewhere else or are we just transported

Because if its deconstructed and reconstructed technically you aren't the same thing anymore

You're just something a teleporter printed out

They need to make up explanations for tek stuff that sound scientific instead of being like Todd Howard and being as vague as possible with tek stuff

It just works 🤷‍♂️

[low briar]

It just works

[brazen sparrow]

They really don't, we can't possibly perceive what Element actually is in universe, so why explain it?

[valid gale]

i dont follow?

[valid gale]

thats a masive philisofica debat in of its self

[gusty turret]

Simply make us be able to perceive it by explaining it better

Someone has to know how it works otherwise its a poor plot point

All we know really is funny space metal can do anything

[valid gale]

as far as the upload nad download my understanding was they hold an altered carbon like copy of your memorys and "soul " if you will with a genetic blueprintwhich is then usesd to grow a body and which the implant downloads said copy of your self into

yes copy as i cant see why you couldent have more then 1 of a person beyond game play ressons

franlklu i cant see why the obiliks wouldent get 1 really great person

then clone the hell out of them and use them as an anti titan army but i digress

i say obilisks thre i think overseers is a better term to use

[gusty turret]

Because then when trying to repopulate the Earth you're going to encounter a lot of incest(selfcest?) Issues

[valid gale]

as the obiliks are just buildings

[gusty turret]

They also just weren't programmed to do that

[valid gale]

if i rember correctly the number was 5000 people needed to create a stable humen race

i dont think its to far fetched to say that they uploaded at least 5000 genetic blueprigns to the arks seing as we can do that now

[gusty turret]

They would've had billions/maybe even trillions of genetic blueprints

[valid gale]

exactly

[gusty turret]

But your idea was to clone one person a bunch of times

[valid gale]

so the consern of a genetic bottle neact wich would be a resonable cosern the last thign you need is a race of cancer blobs

[valid gale]

ah sorry that was more of a clone the hell out of them they kill the titans the arks come down and they are all ither made steral form the get go or mass killed

yes if the clones were alowd to reporduced t would be a nightmare

sorry dident get what you were sayin

[gusty turret]

Also all the people had good genetics because the URE and Feds believed in eugenics 😎

[valid gale]

eh good genetic is fundimental subjective

and i mean if your selectig the gean seed for the future humen race

your not going to include thodss with genetic defects

:)

[gusty turret]

Editing genes of long dead people to be 'better' for an imposed test is just plain bad regardless of how you look at it

Imagine how much time they could've saved if they didn't make the arks a test and just let people exist on sky islands

Like you know they would've saved so much time if they didn't make it a test

And so many resources too because they wouldn't have to be printing out humans constantly

At the point of making a massive ship and sky islands why not just make a ringworld around the Earth for everyone to evacuate to????

Then you have living consenting human beings and you aren't abandoning Earth

Or another one of my favorite ideas, making the arks weapon platforms to make sure the corruption levels go down instead of gambling on it

[valid gale]

i feel the need to ask

what wepons?

[gusty turret]

Napalm would probably be good

[valid gale]

agwesnt the titans?

i mean dont get me wrong naparm is gret

for making stuff die normaly, but element?

[brazen sparrow]

We have no examples in real life to draw from, unless you know of an organic metalloid substance from outer space that we don't 😂

[gusty turret]

That's the point of it being fiction

Make something up

[valid gale]

its magic

[brazen sparrow]

All the people in-universe who do know what it is and does are dead, there you go, no need to explain it. Plus, we already know how it works, why is this even a question still?

[valid gale]

i know its a treable expllaintion but its an explanation

[gusty turret]

We don't know what it does though

We have access to one of the greatest minds of that era and he doesn't even explain anything at all across 3 maps

He talks about how the real family is the element we made along the way

Or something like that

[valid gale]

rockwell?

if you are in fact talking about rockwell

then think of it from his perspectivew i agree that he may be the most element educated person since earth went to hell in a ham bascet but element made him at least as far as hes conserned a god

so why on earth would he want to impart that knologe that he has forught like hell to gather over years posibly deacdes to some random chap who woke up on a beach one day and disided to make stuff die

if for no outher resson then not wanting to risk you getiting to the same level as him

i cant honestly think of a motive for him telling us anything beyond shear hubris and while i do this hes incredibly pridfull i do no think hes that stupid

[gusty turret]

No Santiago 😭

[valid gale]

oh sorry

hes an element expert?

[low briar]

More Tek Expert, but there's probably a lot of background knowledge of Element in there

[valid gale]

from what time period was he plucked?

[jaunty vine]

From when the ure and federation were at war iirc

[valid gale]

iirc?

[bold dove]

If I recall right

[valid gale]

thanks

[spare orbit]

ooooooooooooooooooooooooo ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[small rune]

If I remember correctly

[valid gale]

sorry goonig to be to be a little more discriptive then the thing? :)

i dont

[dusky salmon]

lets now discuss the lore of cheese

[brazen sparrow]

There is none in Ark, boom explained

[jaunty vine]

Why isn’t there any we need cheese wheels

[valid gale]

Sheogorath has no place in this realm sadly

[polar yacht]

@dusky salmon no the lore of sand

[rain dock]

I don't like sand

[brazen sparrow]

It's coarse, and rough

[arctic bison]

and it gets everywhere

[dusky salmon]

no the lore of

BEES

[valid gale]

bees?

[dusky salmon]

BEES

[valid gale]

BEES?

[dusky salmon]

BEES

[still wharf]

BEES‼️

[glad dirge]

I don't get the devs logic, why would they say the reason Dino's were only put on the arks because they were more tameable, when saying that all the animals existing couldn't be taken because of corruption would have been a much more lore fitting answer

[brazen sparrow]

That isn't the reasoning given at all, and the corruption reason presented makes less sense as all life is corruptible, not just specific ones

[bold dove]

That isn't the reason at all

[valid gale]

doesnt that kinda fall apart form the fact we see corupted dinos in extintion?

[glad dirge]

Well the reason I've been told Dino's where chosen over normal animals was because they were "more tameable" which I just personally didn't find as a very satisfactory ending

[valid gale]

hey sorry may be wrong on this one

my understanding was that they were trying to crearte the perfect or most ideal enviroment to maximise flora funa and humen life (yes i know we could as funa but figgred if mention it seperatly), and it tunred out that involved the dinos

although i think stuff like the wyverns of SE are more a product of the overseer's creation or at least deployment as im not sure if they would have a place in the final envrioment

[gusty turret]

They used dinosaurs because they were more resilient and adaptable, and also wanted to see the evolutionary advantages of humans developing with dinosaurs

I wouldn't say dinosaurs are any more or less domesticatable than current animals

Taming will always be a plot hole on the arks though because you obviously can't domesticate an animal by knocking it out and stuffing berries up its rear

[valid gale]

could always say its to make the humens live easyer

which is what they do

oh hey and then that kinda makes sense as for why you cant tame wyverns as they were created to destroy the setlement

yes i know you can use the eggs but thats ither a plot hole or you can say the overseer changed it after the fact when they joined the se ecosystem

i know im in head canon right now but its the best resson i can think of :)

[fallow sapphire]

The concept of taming makes absolutely no sense, as dav was saying. The concept of having tames however makes complete sense

And on the note of wyverns, they werent changed for gameplay, Raia got wyverns on scorched

[warm ocean]

Quick question. What the story behind extinction. That’s the only map I don’t understand

[fallow sapphire]

Dead earth, killed by overuse of element, specifically element warfare

[valid gale]

thanks

[valid gale]

earth got deeply fucked by element when we abused it

it turned on us nearly made us existnt the arks are a porgram to try and heal with arks of which you are the key

hope that helps :)

[warm ocean]

Ohh

So what are the titans?

And is the massive city the remains of a tek city?

[fallow sapphire]

The titans are beings of pure element, created by element to destroy life on earth and keep hold over it

[fallow sapphire]

And yes it is

[valid gale]

yep humens ust to live there

are the enforcers ours?

im asuming thats why the citys safe little bit of our tech left over still working long after were dead and gone?

[valid gale]

pure element given a drive to kill everything thats not corupted

[valid gale]

you know i wounder if A if we are the first to have this happen to us and B why the element wants to keep a hold on earth

wiping out humens i get as we kinda abused it

but to keep it, and if they want humens dead why did they never try adn destory the arks

?

[fallow sapphire]

I would say Earth was not the first to fall to element, but obviously not confirmed in the slightest

As for keeping a hold on Earth? It’s not because it’s Earth, just because its a bio matter hell bent on destroying life. For one, Earth still has life even when we get there. And even if it wanted to destroy/corrupt the ARK’s, or leave Earth, it didn’t have the means to do so

And for the element located on the ARK’s to even have an effect, it would have to be a lot of TEK usage to achieve that, and seeing as the ARK’s have a system to purge Earth’s corruption, I would imagine they have a sub-system to purge low levels of element toxicity inside of them

[gusty turret]

I personally think the element on the Arks is safe element since its blue

"safe" at least, since theres rivers of it on Ab and it got tek nuked

Cuz like really why would they arm the arks with the very same material that already destroyed the earth once