Ok
#lore-nerdz
iron breach
It be best to take a read for yourself
Where
lyric tendon
Tbh the premise of Gen is way simpler than in the ARKS
iron breach
Explorer Notes
I dont have gen 1 & 2
mental basin
To help you, the survivor stop Rockwell
Retconned.
ALSO, Rockwell got to the Ship AFTER Helena.
HLN-A was created to aid the Genesis-Project, as stated by Fries on Twitter.
NOT to guide the Survivor, as stated initially by Helena.
Though, she does. So too with Gabriel. Possibly in Dino Discovery as well, assuming that's canon to an extent.
All of which is 'aiding the Mission'.
lyric tendon
Freaking hate using outside sources (like Twitter) to see what is canon tbh because you really can't see them in game
Personally I prefer "whatever is in game is the canon"
gusty turret
Yeah some writers seem to have an issue with saying one thing then saying "nuhuh" on an outside platform that has absolutely no weight on canon
Either get it changed in game or don't "retcon" it
Twitter rulings do not count!
Especially since it makes way more sense for HLNA to be to guide the survivor initially then just harassing people Rockwell is trying to wake up on the side while still guiding us
She could 100% do both
iron breach
Personally I prefer "whatever is in game is the canon"
Yep
lyric tendon
plus i recall the old writer said something lore related on reddit as well but got retconned by the new writer
quaint marsh
Very possible
mental basin
Doesn't matter what's in the game unfortunately, when it's retconned outside.
If I wrote a book, and years later handed it off to someone else, and they change the canon, that's up to them.
They'll just have to deal with a very angry Spider-Man.
storm lance
whats the lore of charchar
iron breach
If I wrote a book, and years later handed it off to someone else, and they chang...
Im doing that
bold dove
whats the lore of charchar
I don't believe anything.
bold dove
is there a lore for giga?
Mei was the first person to tame a Giga at the time.
low briar
I'm not really sure any of the creatures have 'lore' aside 'and character X tamed creature Y' 😂
Except maybe Mantis, Reapers/Nameless, and the Titans
bold dove
Except maybe Mantis, Reapers/Nameless, and the Titans
Even Nameless don't have lore outside of in-game sources.
low briar
Seeing as thats where 99% of the lore actually comes from... 😂
bold dove
Seeing as thats where 99% of the lore actually comes from... 😂
99% is in-game our outside sources?
Cause if you're saying the latter, that's just a fat lie.
low briar
In game
bold dove
Okay, making sure.
low briar
But outside of a few creatures, none really make any significant impact on the story. I'd say even some of the named tames like Helena's Argent, Mei's Shinehorn/Ravager/Drake wholly aren't that important outside of reminding the player that 'oh, the story peeps tame stuff too occasionally'
bold dove
Yeah, they really slept on giving tames more character.
Only major one was Uzwui (can't recall how to spell his name)
But besides that, most tames are just references here and there, then forgotten about.
mental basin
Mei was the first person to tame a Giga at the time.
Uh, no. What?
Mei wasn't the first to tame a Giga, what
bold dove
Mei wasn't the first to tame a Giga, what
I don't recall it stating otherwise?
mental basin
Helena's Dossier describes otherwise.
There had been others taming Gigas before Mei.
Many Tribes, even.
broken star
I do think the notes generally had more to worry about than "Oh my lil pet did a thing!"
quaint marsh
But outside of a few creatures, none really make any significant impact on the s...
I beg to differ, Wuzhui became the reason for Mei's whole feud with Nerva
broken star
You do see bits of it- Helena cuddles the hell out of anything cute and has a jerboa named Radar she leaves with... Whatsherface, the badass egyptian priestess, when she leaves scorched earth. And athena and suchlike
But like... they're all still just animals
The animated series is probably going to focus more on the day to day when it's not limited by the format of characters writing down notes of important things that happened to them and then stashing those notes behind a random rock
bold dove
Helena's Dossier describes otherwise.
How canon can we really take her dossiers?
Cause a few have been rewritten at this point.
Wouldn't it be safer to go with the notes?
mental basin
No
Because nowhere in the Notes is it stated that Mei was the first to tame a Giga
That's the same kind of thing that we get on Zenark for
low briar
🥹
storm lance
whats the lore of theris?
mental basin
whats the lore of theris?
There's very little to no lore abt most individual Creatures.
storm lance
There's very little to no lore abt most individual Creatures.
ooh
gusty turret
whats the lore of theris?
They're a dinosaur
I still feel like there's not enough talk about how Helena physically couldn't have written the extinction dossiers
dire bloom
anyone here play Ark?
gusty turret
No we all play Fortnite
rain dock
I still feel like there's not enough talk about how Helena physically couldn't h...
Why is that?
gusty turret
Because she was comatose
gusty turret
And when Mei, who is noted as never leaving Helena's side and being very protective of her after losing Diana, discovers the creatures she talks about them like it is the first time they have encountered those creatures
rain dock
I mean, it sort of sounds like that, but the notes do not imply that
She is describing what she tamed, not what she was discovering
gusty turret
Why would she describe them like it was something new to her if they had already discovered them?
rain dock
It's not like she goes into detail
ornate hull
wet yew
Hell nah
low briar
Unlikely, unless updating for consistency with the Animated Series character designs. Most of the notes' art is pretty solid
inner eagle
How canon can we really take her dossiers?
Cause a few have been rewritten at th...
There's also some inaccuracies in some of the dossiers unless they've been getting updates as times went on
gusty turret
I would be fine with them not being canon and just being removed from the game and being a wiki thing
gusty turret
Them showing up when a creature is tamed like with the new creatures instead of having to hunt them down is also a far better option
quaint marsh
Going back to the old days, huh? I like it
bold dove
@mental basin This is from the wiki.gg of the Overseer. What's your thoughts on it?
"The Overseer may be the Homo Deus of an ARK station, because the One Who Waits/Homo Deus Helena states that the Homo Deus started to act like robots once their minds crumbled and the Homo Deus' job was to oversee life on their respective ARKs. The only problem with this theory however, is that Homo Deus cannot stay in our reality for long periods of time before returning to their own, and the Overseers are, as far as we know, stuck in our reality on the ARKs."
mental basin
I wrote that about a year ago, actually.
Since then, it's been confirmed.
I've never been back to edit it though, I'll leave that to you if you so wish.
bold dove
I've never been back to edit it though, I'll leave that to you if you so wish.
Can you give me the notes where it's been confirmed?
mental basin
By Marc, privately with Redgear.
Also, Helena states it in a roundabout way in her Notes.
HLN-A shows a HomoDeus connected to an Overseer, in one of hers.
bold dove
I'll try to find those.
As for the Reddit q&a. I don't really take all of what he said as definitive confirmed. But it's still good stuff that may never be touched on.
Stuff like the Nameless being natural to Aberration could always change from either Peter or Wildcard, since it's never been stated in-game.
Kind of akin to Bungie retconning the Fall-of-Reach book with Halo: Reach, since to them at the time, the books where just merchandise and weren't canon in their perspective.
rain dock
I would be surprised if the lore doesn't change somehow lol
gusty turret
They're gonna make gay Nerva canon
bold dove
They're gonna make gay Nerva canon
Like....that's very possible.
He's roman afterall.
bold dove
But he'd probably would be more bisexual then gay.
Since pure gay people where still shunned from Roman society.
gusty turret
Labels are relative
I feel like its not far fetched that a decent chunk of them married women just so they could have their little twinks and not be shunned
Why else would they all run around in skirts all day
Same goes for the greeks
bold dove
I feel like its not far fetched that a decent chunk of them married women just s...
Oh defiantly.
No doubt that some also never got married, and only participated in the 'o' word just to do it with a dude. Cause doing it in a dude in those enviroments where fine, but outside of them it was shunned.
Kind of odd how it worked.
gusty turret
They're in the closet but the closet is made of glass
gusty turret
Oh defiantly.
No doubt that some also never got married, and only participated i...
The o word
mental basin
I'll try to find those.
As for the Reddit q&a. I don't really take all of what ...
You don't take...
What the writer himself...
Has said.. as confirmed ??
The HomoDeus Overseer connection was in a Gen Chronicle, by the by.
bold dove
What the writer himself...
He's 'was' the writer.
Now it's Peters story.
Sad reality is, at any moment Peter or Wildcard can add something that contradicts some of his Reddit posts, and now it would be the official canon.
hybrid ice
Why is there an intro to the island now
bold dove
Why is there an intro to the island now
Story
Also, there's a new intro for all 4 of the original maps.
mental basin
He's 'was' the writer.
Now it's Peters story.
Sad reality is, at any moment Pete...
Unless something is explicitly stated to be retconned, it's not retconned.
For more evidence, Rockwell called the Overseers 'Half Mechanical' in his boss dialogue.
still moon
Is fjordor cannon?
rigid grove
Is fjordor cannon?
No, it is a custom map.
still moon
No, it is a custom map.
Ah ok
lament raft
only the island, se, ab, ext, gen 1 and gen 2 are canon
cosmic marten
Ext is supposed to be the end of the lore itself?
mental basin
Ext is supposed to be the end of the lore itself?
Originally, it was advertised so.
But considering that there was a post-credit scene, no.
Plus, we have Gen1/2 lmao.
lyric tendon
I realized another inaccuracies of TAS
Wuzui is pure black with white feet and shins (closest variant is the X Raptor)
Only when I was sure that he was docile did I notice his appearance - all black, save his white shins and feet. Right then, I named him Wuzhui,
One in the anime is partially black with purple feathers
bold dove
Really wished I was able to post gifs in moments like this.
Cause I want to post Peter going "oh my god, who the hell cares?"
It's such a minor change. 💀
quaint marsh
Colour and design changes on creatures are literally the most normal kind of change and most accepted when going from book to film
bold dove
This is like when people fucking complained about every redesign of Marvel characters that where reintroduced in the movies. 💀
quaint marsh
And well, a slight change like that, isn't exactly going to change the story. And even if it did, the source material is in this case the canon one. The animated series has already proved it's going to be different from the notes to the point of being non canon to most people, but I bet we'll enjoy it anyway
carmine cedar
It’s been a long time sincr we talked about Mei Yin 😔
quaint marsh
A whole TEN AND A HALF HOURS AGO
mental basin
Mei-Yin will die in the new DLC, methinks.
quaint marsh
I have a feeling it might just be another Ark
mental basin
Considering that this DLC is theorized to end her and Diana's parts in ARK I, I wouldn't put it past Fries to kill her off, like what happened to Diana.
Plus, we still need to know what Helena meant by, "Others need me..."
Timeline wise, at least when the first Genesis Trailer was made, Mei-Yin and Diana has JUST uploaded Helena into the Genesis-Sim.
We're just non-canonically thrown into that moment.
So, that in mind, Helena is helping Diana and Mei with something.
Knowing that Rockwell arrived AFTER Mei-Yin and Diana made it to Arat Prime, perhaps they all go against him, and fail? Or something..?
They're all together for one last time, that's all I know.
@snow seal, onto you guys. 
gusty turret
They're long dead by the time we arrive
Unless Helena keeps them alive through some kind of stasis
Maybe she put them in cryopods
brazen sparrow
Still definitely under the impression that they were uploaded completely intact to the gen ship and that we'll see them in Ark 2 as they appeared in the notes, or they died and we'll see them anyways as blank slates of themselves for shock value
gusty turret
I just don't see them coming back and being physically there for the last dlc to fight Rockwell
Assuming thats chronologically before genesis
gusty turret
I just don't see them coming back and being physically there for the last dlc to...
Thats mainly because Helena talks about how long shes been entirely alone, just waiting for us
I don't know why Helena didn't just have us finish off Rockwell
Probably because there wouldn't have been room for more dlcs and a new game if that happened
gusty turret
Timeline wise, at least when the first Genesis Trailer was made, Mei-Yin and Dia...
I also don't recall that ever being said anywhere
Or implied
brazen sparrow
That's because it isn't, and seeing as how Genesis happens after Extinction, it couldn't have
But as far as them coming back for a DLC that takes place in-between Extinction and Genesis, it could be possible, if Helena put them into cryo sleep or some other macguffin that they'd use to explain it
gusty turret
Yeah like i said with a cryopod
Really whats stopping us from putting people in cryopods
brazen sparrow
I don't think cryopods are super lore friendly, and that's why 😅
gusty turret
They've gotta be though how else do they have all the people on the arks preserved otherwise
brazen sparrow
But the long answer from me would be that the shrinking tech isn't refined enough to work on humans or something
gusty turret
But you would think it would be the opposite
It would take more refining not to work on humans
Like there had to be some kind of failsafe there
brazen sparrow
The people on the Arks are stored in cryo chambers, like we see in Genesis
gusty turret
And that means someone had to get cryopoded for them to know they needed the failsafe
halcyon rampart
For a game where u kill dinos you'd think that it would not have good lore
gusty turret
Most people would think a 60$ title has a decent story to it
halcyon rampart
But I love the lore
brazen sparrow
I don't think killing dinosaurs contributes to a lack of story, but I can see it I suppose?
I mean Turok and Dino Crisis are heavily lore-d games
halcyon rampart
Ok but arks thylas are awsome
brazen sparrow
Indeed
halcyon rampart
Myi ying is a good character in the story
brazen sparrow
The people on the Arks are stored in cryo chambers, like we see in Genesis
I feel a need to correct myself, lest the lore goblins attack me for it. The Genesis survivors appear to be in some sort of liquid, not quite cryo but the gist is the same
brazen sparrow
No, not the jar
halcyon rampart
Who put the microraptors in the game
gusty turret
Wildcard
halcyon rampart
Cuss them things mad annoying
gusty turret
I love how this channel's purpose is just being as obtuse as possible when someone asks a question
halcyon rampart
Admin Rockwell used to be a favorite of mine but then I just stopped liking him after watching the neddy the noodle video like the third video yeah I know I did not like that
Edmin
low briar
Impossible to hate
brazen sparrow
Admin Rockwell, lol. That's funny, because it's canon (he takes over the sim, therefore being something akin to an admin of sorts)
gusty turret
He didn't really take it over he just put a blockade at the exit
low briar
Only reason Admin Rockwell is so pissed is because he has to restart the Sim every time theres a mod update
gusty turret
The AIs all committed sewerslide besides the Moeder
Technically the Moeder is the supreme authority of the simulation now
He was also waking people up
Why would anyone side with him
I would be so cranky after being woken up from a nap
brazen sparrow
They got deleted, not self deleted
He had the highest perms on the server, he just didn't know how to code or even how to use commands
gusty turret
Its kinda like mixing prescription medication
brazen sparrow
Turbo Boomerwell
gusty turret
They weren't smart enough not to like the Moeder was
brazen sparrow
Moeder was really smart and didn't get banned from the Minecraft server
GGs Moeder
gusty turret
I accidentally mixed oxycodone and ibuprofen when i had my wisdom teeth removed and i felt horrible😭
brazen sparrow
Well next time, just don't do that
gusty turret
I mean hopefully there wont be a next time i only had so many wisdom teeth to remove
The max is usually like 4
They let me keep them so i have them in a little baggy next to my bed
brazen sparrow
- insert teeth taking related joke here *
I can't think of a good way to word the joke, so that's my final offer
Also, bullet point moment
gusty turret
If someone breaks in i have all my baby teeth and wisdom teeth saved so i can throw them
"what the hell why are you throwing teeth at me whered you get the teeth"
That would be so traumatizing for a home intruder
brazen sparrow
Probably
gusty turret
Especially since the wisdom teeth were never cleaned and they're still bloody
Absolutely menacing
rain dock
Not menacing, just weird
gusty turret
No, very menacing
No one wants to have teeth thrown at them
Especially when they don't know where the teeth came from
Ask Rockwell, he knows a lot about having a lot of teeth in places no one wants them
rain dock
No one wants to have teeth thrown at them
No one wants to have teeth thrown at them... 🤣🤣
gusty turret
Exactly
mental basin
They're long dead by the time we arrive
Retconned.
Gen Chronicles... 1, I think?
Mei-Yin and Diana uploaded Helena into the Gensim, allowing her to create HLN-A.
Considering that Genesis takes place after Extinction.....
Though, I think Marc had originally intended for them to have been dead, by the time we make it to Earth.
That's because he intended for the Helena - Survivor gap to have been centuries. It would appear that Fries changed that from centuries, to decades.
sick canyon
That's because he intended for the Helena - Survivor gap to have been centuries....
In that case...
The island really should have more intact ruins
#iwantrockwellmanorinASA
mental basin
YES
gusty turret
I think Fries is retconning things that shouldn't be retconned
lyric tendon
This is also why I hate using Reddit or Twitter as "additional lore bit"
I rather have "what is written in the game is canon"
lyric tendon
Tbh I rather focus on just the survivor/s of seeded ARKs and HD Helena vs Rockwell part 2.5
The notes about them are nice and all but "Extinction" is called "Extinction" for a reason
They are doomed, we bobs are the hope humanity needs
gusty turret
This is also why I hate using Reddit or Twitter as "additional lore bit"
I rath...
Also this
Twitter and reddit are not an outlet for saying "erm arktually that didn't happen this is what happened because i said so and i don't need to make any lore in an official capacity to support it or make it true"
The story was very good as is, the gen trailer never was directly after she was uploaded and it never should be, along with HLNA just randomly receiving a different purpose, the trailer clearly always was when the survivor was being uploaded and thats what it makes sense to be
You can't change something if you aren't going to go through the steps to change it
Because at that point it becomes a headcanon not a retcon
gusty turret
Anyways what we thinking for the mob vote
I wanted to like the awesome spider thing because the design was awesome but then it said it was just a mobility mount so i go bored
Not the eureka, the other one
My number one pick is koolasuchus
low briar
Yi is the only one interesting to me
gusty turret
The trilobite motorcycle is silly
vestal heath
Tbh I haven’t even checked the dino vote yet
lyric tendon
We already have a rolling tame that no one uses 😂
doed is useful
roll rat can kill a mounted mana rider if you are skilled enough, only useful outside of ab
low briar
Roll Rats are only useful outside of Ab? 🤔
lyric tendon
PVP
low briar
Explain like I'm a PvE noob who never used a Roll Rat before
lyric tendon
there is a video for that, let me get it
low briar
But like anyone with half a brain will just move to a spot the Rat can't reach 🤔
Their movement is pretty predictable
Though I didn't know they they dealt damage to riders directly, at least from above, so that's interesting
dire patrol
bacon
mental basin
This is also why I hate using Reddit or Twitter as "additional lore bit"
I rath...
That's just... wrong though.
Hypothetically:
Game:
Rockwell eats a Rockarrot (delicious)
Fries on Twitter:
"I change my mind everyone, Rockwell eats a Savaroot. (gross) Not changing it in the game though, too much work."
For you to stick with Rockwell eating a Rockarrot, that's just.. ignorance to an updated narrative.
lyric tendon
That's just... wrong though.
The reason being no one is ever gonna find it as citation unless you look on the wiki (and we all know wikis are sometimes edited themselves)
And the post will either buried to the forgotten history, deleted or in case of Soskin vs Fries writing... Retcon
mental basin
That doesn't matter, though. Even if nobody else is gonna spread it around, it's still set in stone.
I'm not saying it's a good way to tell a narrative, I'm just saying that it IS the narrative.
lyric tendon
Plus if they want to add some tidbit to the lore
Why don't they just freaking do it in the chronicle events instead of Twitter or Reddit
mental basin
Because they're bad at telling the story.
Again, I don't like how they do it either, but canon is canon.
Rockwell ate that Savaroot, and immediately threw up, because they're gross.
lyric tendon
That is the thing
Using non-in game places as "lore tidbit" is a sign of a badly organized story
"canon is canon" until the new writer says "it's not" despite the old writer says "it is*
mental basin
Newer lore will always overwrite old stuff.
Because it's in Fries' hands, he has control over where it goes.
lyric tendon
Newer lore will always overwrite old stuff.
It's called "retconning" darling
mental basin
... okay?
lyric tendon
That proved my point
mental basin
What point are you trying to make? That whatever Fries says isn't canon, or that the fact we have to go on Twitter is shoddy? 😭
Because one is very wrong, and one is very right.
lyric tendon
The latter
lyric tendon
This is also why I hate using Reddit or Twitter as "additional lore bit"
I rath...
Huh
Have you even miss my point of this?
mental basin
We agree on the first one
The second one is ignorance
Retconning is retconning
Whether it be a spontaneous ama
Harassing Fries on Twitter
It's still canon
Anyways I gotta sleep, I wake up for work in 5 hours
lyric tendon
I am talking about "lazily use Twitter/Reddit instead of using the Chronicles Event as a means to answer lore plot holes"
mental basin
Ye
Everytime Fries does that we give him a little shock on the Implant in his brain
lyric tendon
That way people who don't bother harassing the writers for answers just do the event instead
Fries is not guilty of that as well
Soskin use reddit for his lore ama
gusty turret
Rockwell ate that Savaroot, and immediately threw up, because they're gross.
Longrass supremacy
They were real creative with that name
broken star
In that case...
The island really should have more intact ruins
#iwantrockwellma...
i'd assume that the ark itself was helping to erase the ruins
mental basin
Nah, it's got no reason to.
They're so wrecked because originally, Marc wrote it so that the gap between the Explorer Note Survivors and Helena’s Survivor was centuries.
Then Fries came along, and changed it to decades.
gusty turret
It could really be any amount of time due to how sturdy Roman architecture is
Since thats all lasted thousands of years
Making it decades instead of centuries genuinely makes no sense for the timeline
Ah yes the empire which has the longest lasting structures in existence which still stand today constructed something that collapsed entirely in like 20 years
mental basin
Making it decades instead of centuries genuinely makes no sense for the timeline
The only thing it 'breaks' persay, is Helena's perception of time.
Which, as established by herself, is foggy and unreliable at best.
We know that it's been decades, because of whay HLN-A tells us in the Genesis Chronicles.
"We’re pioneers, but we aren’t the first survivors to get back to Earth. Years ago, a few survivors got back -- one of whom was Helena, the survivor who made me.
They saw the same devastation you’re seeing right now, and they sought their own way to escape ..... For her friends, it meant a long journey to a place called Arat Prime, where they figured out a way to beam Helena into the Genesis simulation. And then she made me!" - Discovery 14, Extinction
Considering the fact that Helena only made it to the Simulation post-Reseed, that'd mean that Di and Mei were still alive after Exyinction.
Unless they uploaded Helena and crumbled into dust immediately afterwards, they're alive. Humans can't survive for centuries on end- but they can, for decades.
Whether they're alive DURING Genesis is another question entirely.
gusty turret
It breaks a lot of Helenas deus notes
Seeing as she makes it clear shes had no company at all for quite a while
Implying they're either dead or gone off somewhere she can't reach them
Which she was literally in their head guiding them to Arat prime
So they would have to be on the ship to be remotely unreachable
They were also just supposed to be dead and retconning it to make them alive again is just playing into recycling the same characters over and over and over
The thing that was already weakening the story with just using Santiago and Rockwell everywhere they needed a character
If its canon its canon but its a really poor decision
mental basin
It breaks a lot of Helenas deus notes
No it 100% does
Like I said, again, it WAS centuries
Mei and Diana WERE dead
Then Fries came along, and retconned a bunch of the timeline stuff.
lament raft
when did Mei die?
mental basin
In the Soskin Saga, both Mei and Di supposedly died before we ever made it to Earth, as inferred by Helena.
Fries retconned that.
bold dove
I believe The-One-Who-Waits kind of hints it, since it's been centuries.
Which I don't mind them retconning their deaths.
But I do mind retconning the timeline
gusty turret
I mind the deaths because I don't enjoy the reusing characters instead of making new ones
mental basin
We've seen Fries' new characters, and they aren't very good.
Gabriel was a Walmart Rockwell, and Nida was a 90%-Off Helena.
gusty turret
I would rather that than take the risk of him reviving old characters and breaking them
mental basin
HLN-A was alright, but that's because she was rooted in Helena’s character.
gusty turret
HLNA made sense
Gabriel was a really cool concept he just wasn't executed as well as he should've been
I agree on Nida, and Santiago 3.0 is.... Blegh
Technically timeline wise he's 2.0 i guess
I just think the past should be left in the past and leave the already established story that everyone likes alone and try to forge a new story off of that instead of changing it
mental basin
I hope Mei and Di return in ARK 2, because if it's entirely populated by new Survivors...
gusty turret
Them coming back in Ark 2 kinda makes sense but only if they aren't the same ones
bold dove
I just think the past should be left in the past and leave the already establish...
Welcome to 90% of games where that should be fucking common sense, but either new writers have an ego, or the writer/devs involved have no fucking idea what the original plot was about.
gusty turret
I think we should make me the new Ark writer instead fr
bold dove
....
gusty turret
Welcome to my world all my characters are extremely anxious and traumatized because they're all self inserts
None of my d&d characters haven't been traumatized
bold dove
That's actually worse then what we currently have.
gusty turret
Nuhuh
bold dove
I kind of appricate Peters writing just a smidge more.
Not by much, still fucking hate it, but a smidge.
gusty turret
Is Peter fries?
I know Marc but i know absolutely nothing about the new writer besides the fact I don't enjoy what hes doing as much
bold dove
Is Peter fries?
That's his name, yes.
gusty turret
We should kidnap Neddy and make him the Ark writer
bold dove
Yeah, so about that.
He hates the idea of working for Wildcard.
gusty turret
Valid
bold dove
Also, you can't try to kidnap someone and expect them to make a good story while asking "why am I here?" and "where's my family?"
Doesn't tend to make good stories.
gusty turret
If they wanna leave it does
mental basin
Them coming back in Ark 2 kinda makes sense but only if they aren't the same one...
Arat Prime.
low briar
Writing a good story =/= telling an established story in a comprehensive way - besides, doesn't Neddy use writers like Stel? (Not that that's a bad thing, but it's more than just one person behind the vids)
mental basin
Keep trying to make a timeline, but my Message is being rejected.
The hecc
Superluminal link
What the heck is being flagged
bold dove
Try removing 'Di' and add 'Diana'
mental basin
Di
bold dove
wa
mental basin
That's not it. Wtf 💀
gusty turret
Arat Prime.
I disagree with that
bold dove
Fuck it.
Post one of each word until it gets deleted, then delete the other messages to not keep a mess.
mental basin
Uhh Reseed
Arat Prime
gusty turret
A rat
bold dove
Honestly thought it'd be the 'seed' in 'reseed'
gusty turret
Mmmmm seed
bold dove
What the fuck is it blocking?
mental basin
Upload
bold dove
Hang on, send me a copy-pasta of it in DM's.
bold dove
Oh you motherfuckers
low briar
Wat
gusty turret
Leash
bold dove
Hang on, this is DodoMail situation
gusty turret
Leash is fine but that word isn't
mental basin
Hang on, this is DodoMail situation
Lettem know rq
bold dove
Did it.
bold dove
Leash is fine but that word isn't
The word 'leash' has more fucking implications then 'unleashed' 💀
WAIT
It's not fucking banned if you use '
mental basin
I disagree with that
Rockwell gets to Genesis by using the link Di and Mei opened. I think they went through it before he did. That's my theory.
Because that's the biggest gap in that timeline.
bold dove
Because that's the biggest gap in that timeline.
Unleased
gusty turret
I always assumed after they opened the link they went and kept fighting titans
mental basin
And the only thing we know about that time, is what Helena says in the Gen Reveal Trailer. "Others need me."
mental basin
I always assumed after they opened the link they went and kept fighting titans
Nah, because they opened it post-Reseed.
mental basin
Ye, I'm talkin' abt now
gusty turret
Man making it post reseed makes so little sense
mental basin
Man making it post reseed makes so little sense
Fries said that Helena wanted to tackle one thing at a time.
The near omniscient being... wanted to do one thing at a time.
bold dove
💀
gusty turret
Does that mean they were fighting titans at the same time as us? Is Helena gonna get mostly rewritten?
gusty turret
The near omniscient being... wanted to do one thing at a time.
The being who talks about how shes been doing an infinite amount of math for many years considering all the possibilities and coding the Arks
mental basin
A. ) Maybe! Before us too, obviously. I think that their main goal was Arat Prime though, killing anything on the way.
B. ) Wildcard? Rewriting? We'll see when ASA rolls around.
gusty turret
The most remotely possible option for them still being alive that isn't just because Fries wants them alive for an easier story to write would be Helena coding the Arks fast enough to be able to use the proto arks to revitalize them
Also for the King titan fight does that just mean we steal the megamek from Mei and Diana????
mental basin
Again, no, he just shifted the timeline is all.
And no, we made our own.
Helena left us Blueprints in the OSDs.
gusty turret
Im pretty sure canonically its the same one
bold dove
Within a lootcrate after beating the King-Titan
mental basin
It's not the same one.
gusty turret
Is that from fries again or just what you're saying
mental basin
She gave us the means of making one, is all.
mental basin
Is that from fries again or just what you're saying
Soskin's Explorer Notes.
bold dove
I believe The-One-Who-Waits states that she gave us the blueprints for the mega-mek
mental basin
"I did promise you a gift, didn't I? This is its nature. It's a weapon of heroes that was built to battle the shadow - wielded by few and forged by one. Its smith's soul may have faded, but his legacy is yours to carry on, so long as you can claim it.
However, I have made one slight alteration. When it was first conceived, it took four sets of hands to wield this weapon properly. Now a single pilot can use it with ease - one warrior controlling the power of four souls.
Look for my sign, and I can give you the keys to its construction. Yet take care in gathering them. The shadows can sense my influence upon them, and that will draw peril to their side, as it always has. So fight as heroes did, and should you succeed, their strength will be yours. Theirs, yours and mine. Together. As one."
TOWW #24, Ext.
bold dove
Yep
gusty turret
Ah i just remembered the first part i didn't remember the "keys to its construction"
bold dove
Can we make the mega-mek in ASA?
gusty turret
All of Helena's notes imply they're dead
mental basin
Yeppers.
gusty turret
So unless Helena is getting entirely rewritten then twitter is gonna be the only source for Ark lore now
Which is again, a very poor decision on Fries' part
bold dove
Stel, it's situations like this why I'm doing my own project. 
gusty turret
It's hard to creatively interpret something that's set in stone then someone just comes and slaps a piece of paper over it and writes something new down
Then the piece of paper blows away so its still the same thing except that piece of paper still exists so its what supposedly actually happened instead of whats given
Most people don't wanna go on a wild chase through Twitter for lore that should occur in game!
Most people don't wanna go anywhere near Twitter in general
mental basin
It's hard to creatively interpret something that's set in stone then someone jus...
The good thing is that her language is, indeed, very interpretable.
Example: She claims that the System has existed for 'eons'.
This isn't true. It's existed only for generations.
But, eons is a word with 2 meanings.
gusty turret
"I'm grateful for your company too. Very grateful! I know I've been rambling. This conversation is quite one sided. I'm just glad for the chance to speak to another being, if only through these shards of thought.
As I've said, time and I are at odds, and I have no idea how long I've been waiting here. Alone. Completely alone."
Interpret that😭
mental basin
Example: She claims that the System has existed for 'eons'.
It could mean, "One billion years" or, it could mean "A long time."
mental basin
"I'm grateful for your company too. Very grateful! I know I've been rambling. Th...
She's in her own plane of reality.
Yes, she's able to tug at minds and leave shards of thought, but she, as stated, is 'trapped' in a plane beyond our own.
Imagine being locked in a room for decades, with nothing but mannequins, cameras and a phone.
You can try to get a reaction out of the mannequins, to no avail. You can look into the outside world, forever isolated from it. You can call your friends, but will never get the chance to be with them again.
She can only be outside her higher plane for short bursts of time. She can't even enter the simulation without being pulled back.
I'd assume it's relatively taxing on her, as well.
gusty turret
I think she's saying what she means and trying to interpret in a different way is silly
Which is why they need to be rewritten if the story is actually gonna be changed beyond saying things on Twitter
mental basin
I think she's saying what she means and trying to interpret in a different way i...
I just.. successfully interpreted that.. in a way that fits the lore 1:1, what do you mean??
Here, give me another Note.
Gimme a curveball.
gusty turret
I would not consider that an interpretation, more of pulling it apart and filling in the gaps just enough for it to kinda make sense but still not fit what shes actually saying
mental basin
gusty turret
Kind of just like winning by talking more
mental basin
That's what an interpretation is.
gusty turret
Stalling if you will
gusty turret
Gerrymandering even
mental basin
Be honest, or I'll record the voice lines poorly.
Joking, joking. I should get on that btw.
gusty turret
Now you're blackmailing
mental basin
? 😭
gusty turret
You heard me
Who was the one who used to talk here a lot that had a really funny aberration letsplay that was only entertaining because of the horrible mic quality to the point you couldn't understand a single thing that was being said and it was just unintelligible screaming
mental basin
I don't know, but my attention is piqued.
gusty turret
I don't remember I can't find it in my watch history its been at least a year at this point
bold dove
Imagine being locked in a room for decades, with nothing but mannequins, cameras...
Of this?
gusty turret
I think its just a description of Bo Burnhams "Inside"
mental basin
Of this?
Sí
My point is that even if it's not the original message, it's salvageable.
Seeing as how she's really vague with her speech.
bold dove
I'd say it's more like being locked in a cold-stale interrogation room.
With the glass reverse, of you being able to see everything and everyone, but no one can see or hear you.
mental basin
I'd settle for that, if Mei and Diana couldn't hear her.
The Survivor, and Rockwell too.
Can't see shit though. They blind.
gusty turret
With the parameters she outlines, with leaving slivers of thought being counted as conversation for her, and her saying she was entirely alone for she had no idea how long, its obvious shes had no one besides us
Trying to interpret a different way is just not reading what shes saying
At that point its not an interpretation its a headcanon
mental basin
I just think you dislike my interpretation
Which is odd because what she says is unfathomable to anyone here, and breaks Fries' new canon
gusty turret
I think its just not a valid attempt at an interpretation
Its like whatever people call abstract art nowadays
Somebody will just make a piece of metal that looks like a car that got wrapped around a tree in a car crash and say it represents the socioeconomic position of the Soviet Union in the 60's and how the American civil war contributed to that
vestal heath
Ok I’m choosing jumping spider for the vote don’t care about anything else but him now
gusty turret
I actually put the jumping spider as last
I know i said it fit aberration way better than any of the other maps but there were a lot of cool options this time around
I think the other spider is way cooler
Im excited to see what wins though this time had a lot of interesting and unique critters
I put koolasuchus on top because i think a new element crafting method would be awesome
And also swimming in the soup, and shooting the soup at people
lyric tendon
It's hard to creatively interpret something that's set in stone then someone jus...
This is what I am trying to say about people relying on Twitter or Reddit for lore stuff
If it's a physical book like FNAF or Minecraft did then it's fine, at least people can easily obtain them compared to google searching a post that can easily deleted or altered
gusty turret
The thing about the fnaf books is they all occur in different universes so it doesn't screw the main universe and he can still tell new stories
Surrounding the same characters and themes and scenarios etcetc
He doesn't try to force things where they don't fit
Kinda like marvel except marvel makes the different universe thing stupid and rely on it way too heavily
low briar
Marvel also has hundreds of writers and stories/characters spanning decades
gusty turret
I just think marvel needs to be let die
Same for star wars or any stories that are just getting exceedingly old
brazen sparrow
New stories can be told well in old IPs, just look at Visions for Star Wars, and the Spiderverse stuff as well as... literally any comic ever for Marvel
Not to say there aren't bad storylines out there (and we both know there are, Marvel in particular has had some shitty writers in the past, I won't lie 😅 ), but the potential for good ones far outweighs the potential for shitty ones
bold dove
Marvel doesn't need to die. Disney does.
Marvel deserves good owners.
low briar
Yeah, MCU is going downhill pretty quick after Endgame. Most of the stuff is just 'ok' at best which is a huge drop compared to most of the pre-Endgame stuff
brazen sparrow
Disney is fine, people need to see that it's a bigger picture than just "corporation bad, grrr"
low briar
Can't say much as far as comics go as I'm not an avid reader
brazen sparrow
It's mostly the people they allow to run the show's fault if the show is shitty lol
brazen sparrow
Can't say much as far as comics go as I'm not an avid reader
Me neither, but I know some of the more culturally relevant goings on in the comics for the sake of knowledge on the topics and also because man-spider is cool as fuck
gusty turret
Is that a spider that got bitten by a radioactive man
brazen sparrow
No, but close
lyric tendon
the "multiverse" is confirmed by the publication for ages, plus given the nature of comics being some one off series
especially in the olden time where it's more "villain of the day"
gusty turret
Using the multiverse in any publication is just a crutch for milking the franchise for more money
And it always leads to lower quality mass produced content
Rick and Morty is an interesting take though, where the entire series is seated in the multiverse and all of the plot points rely on it instead of the series existing before the multiverse and the multiverse just showing up when they ran out of ideas
Fortnite was better when it didn't have the multiverse
rain dock
I mean that is 100% correct
prime meteor
I think the lore for ark is a future civilization made islands with prehistoric dinos and made multiple species to send to the island to see how they adapted, evolved, and survived. The thing in your players arm is how they track the specimen being tested.
bold dove
I think the lore for ark is a future civilization made islands with prehistoric ...
That's kind of correct.
gusty turret
I still remember the theories about how Mei Yin was gonna be the boss of extinction and everything
unborn knoll
my theory is that edmund must have been feeling romantical so that’s why he became Rockwell
bronze turtle
sick canyon
somber cipher
delicate yoke
Is it explained anywhere why the Earth is tidally locked and the moon is destroyed in lore?
bold dove
Is it explained anywhere why the Earth is tidally locked and the moon is destroy...
Tidally-locked? If I recall right, that's due to the Corruption literally digging into the core, and turning it into stone.
Moon being boomed-boomed? Nope, never explained. Not even the writer at the time knew why, cause they added it to the ascension cause "it looked cool."
delicate yoke
The planets core has nothing to do with its momentum. I assume both are explained by humans just obliterating each other
gusty turret
The planet's rotation isn't based on momentum
✨Magnetics and gravity ✨
Thats actually what a leap year is, the planet loses momentum and dave only shows up once every 4 years to spin it again
bold dove
The planet's rotation isn't based on momentum
Correct. But doesn't the Earth also rotate around the Sun, due to the Sun itself pulling us?
bold dove
Well yeah but orbit and rotation are two different things
Right.
But something I never understood, is that Earth is still orbiting around the Sun in Extinction. Correct?
If it wasn't, wouldn't literally everything be......more dead?
gusty turret
Yeah the Earth is still orbiting the sun
If it wasn't Earths orbit would've failed and it would've just plummeted into the sun
bold dove
Yeah the Earth is still orbiting the sun
So then, if the Earth itself can't rotate, but it's still orbiting.
Shouldn't there be still a day/night system, but it lasting for a year?
If Earth isn't rotating lets say, and is on the bottom of a circle that it's orbiting around the Sun, then when it finally reaches a 180% around the Sun, shouldn't the side that was previously facing the sun now be covered in darkness, since it orbited to the other side without rotating?
gusty turret
Think of it like driving around a roundabout
If you go halfway around the roundabout the same side of the car is still facing the center
Idk how the actual science for that works because I've asked that exact same question here myself but thats how it works so!
bold dove
Idk how the actual science for that works because I've asked that exact same que...
Technically though, the car is still rotating to go around the roundabout to keep facing the same side.
gusty turret
With the sun as the center point yes, but with the earth as the center point, no
That i actually could work out because thats just like geometry and i think i remember how to graph
bold dove
With the sun as the center point yes, but with the earth as the center point, no
Right, but in this situation the Sun would be in the center-point, since the Earth is orbiting around the Sun.
gusty turret
The center point is subjective
I think i mixed up there
Hang on I'm trying to word it
bold dove
Hang on I'm trying to word it
Hang on, I'll DM some totally cool images I made.
gusty turret
With the sun being the origin, (0,0), the Earth does rotate around the sun x°, but the Earth itself never rotates, it only changes position relative to the sun, with the same side always facing the sun
bold dove
@gusty turret So with the images I sent, lets say the green dot is the Americas.
Without the Earth being able to rotate in its own, would the Americas not eventually be in direct darkness, due to it not being able to rotate?
rain dock
✨Magnetics and gravity ✨
Um, what lol
bold dove
@gusty turret That'd involve the triangle moving though.
It's rotating in the process.
If Earth's rotation has stopped, it wouldn't be able to rotate, no?
gusty turret
It doesn't rotate about itself but it rotates about the origin with the origin being the sun
rain dock
I think your issue comes from trying to put space into a normal coordinate system
gusty turret
The side doesn't change when rotating a shape on graph
bold dove
I think your issue comes from trying to put space into a normal coordinate syste...
Mind if I dm you?
gusty turret
I think your issue comes from trying to put space into a normal coordinate syste...
Math is everything
rain dock
You can dm me
gusty turret
For a rough image of portraying how a shape doesn't change sides when rotating around a different point it works at least
bold dove
@rain dock Lets say the green dot is the Americas.
If the Earth can't rotate, would it not be able to constantly face the Sun, and eventually half of the planet would be consumed in darkness during half of years?
rain dock
If the earth didn't rotate, there would be a dark side of the earth yes
That is what happens in a tidal lock
bold dove
If the earth didn't rotate, there would be a dark side of the earth yes
Right, but wouldn't said darkside eventually be the Sun-directed side after the Earth orbits around the Sun a bit?
gusty turret
The issue is when rotating a piece of geometry around another piece of geometry the geometry you're rotating has the same side facing it the entire time
rain dock
For reference look at the orbit of the moon
gusty turret
I think my triangle picture shows it pretty well
rain dock
I don't have your triangle picture
gusty turret
It's a pretty good picture idk if you can handle it
bold dove
I'm on the moons wiki page
gusty turret
Its just rotating shapes on a 2d plane
I just got out of highschool i had to do a lot of this
rain dock
Yeah, I studied astrophysics in college 🤣🤣
gusty turret
The issue we're talking about is just geometry we don't need all the extra🙄
gusty turret
Idk how the actual science for that works because I've asked that exact same que...
Which now that i think about it does mean i know how the science of it works
Because its just math wearing a science skin
bold dove
I just got out of highschool i had to do a lot of this
I feel cheated out.
I got out of highschool two years ago, and never once was taught this type of geometry. 🦛
gusty turret
You weren't taught about rotating shapes on a graph?
bold dove
Not that I recalled.
Or if we did, it was so fucking glossed over by Algebra.
gusty turret
Valid
I nearly failed algebra 1
I had a 69 in the class for a solid month
The teacher was horrid, then covid happened and i escaped her
bold dove
Somehow got like.....I think it was a 94% on my last Algebra test?
gusty turret
I don't remember my last test tbh
I know i did pretty good on the ACT though so the failure of Algebra 1 wasn't for nothing
I still don't understand imaginary numbers though
Why are we working with them if they're imaginary
bold dove
I thought I was going to get a like, 40% since I HEAVILY struggled with Algebra.
But I somehow winged it and got most of the answers right. 🦛
gusty turret
Matrices are also hard but the calculator does that for you so
bold dove
I still don't understand imaginary numbers though
Variables?
gusty turret
No, imaginary numbers
rain dock
Degrees work, but they make the math more complicated
As rule of thumb, the more complicated your math, the simpler the problem becomes
gusty turret
Degrees work, but they make the math more complicated
Not always
I still can't believe moonquakes are a thing that exists
Like i believe they exist on their own but I can't believe they're named
rain dock
Not always
For problems in space? Yes, always
rain dock
Like i believe they exist on their own but I can't believe they're named
Why is it weird for them to be named?
gusty turret
Because why would they be named
Like we have Earthquakes
It makes sense but just why
Are there marsquakes and venusquakes ?
gusty turret
For problems in space? Yes, always
Not if its not a complex problem in space
Its just rotating a shape about the origin by no particular degree
rain dock
Just a rotating shape is not something you find in space tbf
gusty turret
Not in reality, but in concept yes
Its all just moving roughly spherical shapes
Not triangles like my drawing, sadly
I would live on a triangle
bold dove
Are there marsquakes and venusquakes ?
I don't know the context, but moonquakes do exist.
So I'd assume quakes on mars would be called 'marsquakes'
rain dock
They are called baconquakes
gusty turret
Ooooo winner of the vote is announced tomorrow right?
bold dove
Ooooo winner of the vote is announced tomorrow right?
I did also Google it, and marsquakes do exist. 
low briar
Sure, all you need for earthcelestialbodyquakes is geological activity
bold dove
For what reason
Same reason Earth does.
The plates are moving due to the core, or shit like that.
Mars still has an active core.
rain dock
Lol
Maybe. We don't know for sure
Up until recently all evidence pointed to Mars not having an active core
bold dove
Up until recently all evidence pointed to Mars not having an active core
Core thing is up in the air, but I believe marsquakes are real.
rain dock
I mean the core is underground
But yeah, the core has been classified as dead as scientific fact for years, until they saw evidence of mars quakes, which suggests it's not dead
That was early last year
gusty turret
Core thing is up in the air, but I believe marsquakes are real.
Average marsquake believer
rain dock
Mars quakes are real, but it's only recently discovered
low briar
Seeing as Mars has the largest known volcano in our solar system, it's safe to believe it was geologically active at some point, thus marsquakes existing. Though they many have only recently been observed/recorded
rain dock
100 iq there 🤣🤣
gusty turret
What if we're just making it up though
hot karma
find out yourself
gusty turret
The burden of proof isn't on me
gusty turret
That simply isn't what what said
rain dock
The proof is there, and the burden of reading it is on you
gusty turret
The proof is there, and the burden of reading it is on you
Nuhuh
Read it to me
Like a bedtime story
rain dock
Nah
Just Google Mars quakes, and you'll notice that most of the articles are from 2022
jagged tiger
Because this group is called lore nerds?
rain dock
Yes, ark2 didn't release because there were nerds
low briar
Dangit nerds
rain dock
Think about it, any time that something important didn't happen, it's because there was a nerd that disagreed with it
gusty turret
Freddy fazbear lives on the moon
brazen sparrow
I thought it was Soild Snake who caused the moonquakes, because the cla-
gusty turret
Go on, say it
brazen sparrow
🤭
olive vessel
Why would rockwell want to corrupt dinos in the Code Red mission
bold dove
Why would rockwell want to corrupt dinos in the Code Red mission
I believe the Code-Red mission is set within the database of the Genesis-ship for creatures.
I don't believe he's just corrupting creatures, but making it that his own infected versions of them will be created instead of the pure ones.
olive vessel
oky
heady mauve
Why could mei yin bring a giga to boss battles and why do they seem so easy in the lore?!!? - im new to this and just got almost all the island explorer notes, i need explaining 😕
sick canyon
Im a pc gamer now
bold dove
Why could mei yin bring a giga to boss battles and why do they seem so easy in t...
Gameplay =/= in-universe, basically.
Gameplay-wise, if we where able to bring Giga's into boss fights, it'd be hella easy.
heady mauve
Gameplay-wise, if we where able to bring Giga's into boss fights, it'd be hella ...
so theoreticaly if i did, that be cheating right? even if they got to do it??
bold dove
so theoreticaly if i did, that be cheating right? even if they got to do it??
Yes, cause that's not how the game was intended to be played.
heady mauve
Yes, cause that's not how the game was intended to be played.
but why is it in the lore im so confused
bold dove
but why is it in the lore im so confused
Cause again, gameplay doesn't equal to in-universe.
It's a video-game by the end of the day.
You can't make something too realistic, or too unbalanced just cause there's lore segments that say they're able to do this.
gusty turret
Mei forcetamed a drake so if i get a client and do it its okay right?
heady mauve
im just playing on singleplayer and tryna play the game the way they did lol
bold dove
im just playing on singleplayer and tryna play the game the way they did lol
Then you'll meet many roadblocks, cause there's things they did that no one without modding the game can do.
heady mauve
Then you'll meet many roadblocks, cause there's things they did that no one with...
well obviously im not just gonna blow up an ark and create abberation, i was just asking if there was a lore specific reason why they could do those things or why the arks seem way harder to beat now
gusty turret
Lorewise its because the arks are spiraling out of control
bold dove
well obviously im not just gonna blow up an ark and create abberation, i was jus...
The beat part is due to age.
gusty turret
But i have a feeling thats gonna have to be rewritten since apparently its only been decades instead of centuries now
Because that ruins the whole point of a piece of code run a million times thing
heady mauve
Because that ruins the whole point of a piece of code run a million times thing
YO i just got that note yesterday!!
bold dove
The ARK's are ever-lasting, but the system they run on isn't.
Just like any other software, you run it so many times and errors will accure.
Though, difference is, this software can't be rebooted. So the errors keep stacking.
gusty turret
I mean... How do we know it couldn't be rebooted?
Maybe Helena just never actually checked
That would be a Helena thing to do
bold dove
I mean... How do we know it couldn't be rebooted?
Let me correct myself.
It probably can, but that'd probably require hard-resetting all of the ARK's.
low briar
Helena violated rule 1 of IT troubleshooting.
Didn't even try turning it off and back on again
gusty turret
The people who made the arks failed too by not implementing an automatic restart to keep errors from overflowing
bold dove
The people who made the arks failed too by not implementing an automatic restart...
Cause the ARK's where made in the mindset that the Corruption would die off, and the ARK's could just manually go back home.
gusty turret
Yeah but they didn't make it a very long lasting solution
bold dove
Which, in fact, turns out Corruption can't just 'die off.' 🦛
bold dove
Yeah but they didn't make it a very long lasting solution
Well, they kind of did.
The game is like, a few thousand+ years after The-Collapse.
Which for a software to last that long without just breaking is pretty impressive alone.
heady mauve
I dont know any of this so ima beat the entire game and then come back who knows how long later to talk about this stuff
gusty turret
We see how exponentially it worsened in a few decades though
bold dove
I dont know any of this so ima beat the entire game and then come back who knows...
See you in a year. 👋
gusty turret
Just be like me and fake it till you make it
Say stuff so they salad cat you and then you'll know if its right or wrong
bold dove
We see how exponentially it worsened in a few decades though
Could be since Aberration is part of The-System. That corrupted data of the broken ARK could be leaking into The-System.
Hell, Rockwell himself could be why it's been rapidly degrading between Helena's time and ours.
heady mauve
Say stuff so they salad cat you and then you'll know if its right or wrong
thats funny but i dont want any spoilers i just want to be here for clarification
gusty turret
Im just salty its been changed from centuries to decades
bold dove
thats funny but i dont want any spoilers i just want to be here for clarificatio...
You'll get the broad amount of lore for the ARK's when you get done with Extinction.
Are you playing through all of the maps in order?
heady mauve
Are you playing through all of the maps in order?
yeaa... im on the island rn just beat alpha brood wit a shotgun(cuz im him XD) and collected all the notes exept for the overseer ones. im only like 500 hours away from beating the game tho
bold dove
yeaa... im on the island rn just beat alpha brood wit a shotgun(cuz im him XD) ...
Yeah, then you're awhile until you get all of the ARK's lore.
You have 3 more maps that explain the ARK's. 🦛
gusty turret
You can skip most of the notes tbh
Especially Helenas she has like 3 important notes
heady mauve
You can skip most of the notes tbh
NEVER... i need the achievements
gusty turret
Nerva isn't important hes just a vehicle for plot development
heady mauve
Nerva isn't important hes just a vehicle for plot development
too late, got em all
sick canyon
Im just salty its been changed from centuries to decades
Honestly I prefer decades to centuries
Because the time gap only being decades means rockwell manor should be more intact
heady mauve
Honestly I prefer decades to centuries
Because the time gap only being decades m...
wheres rockwell manor
gusty turret
Honestly I prefer decades to centuries
Because the time gap only being decades m...
But it won't be, which is why it sucks
sick canyon
wheres rockwell manor
We have no clue
heady mauve
We have no clue
well shouldnt it be on the island
gusty turret
All of the Roman architecture would still be pretty much completely intact
It should be completely intact after centuries but🤷♂️
sick canyon
I liked the location that neddy choose for it
gusty turret
I've always thought of it as being in the southwest corner of the redwoods
Idk where neddy says it is
bold dove
I liked the location that neddy choose for it
Funny enough, it was originally going to be on the top of the hill on Grags-island.
heady mauve
It should be completely intact after centuries but🤷♂️
ohhh right cu nerva built stuff, that be so cool to be able to explore. Wait maybe its because the og survivors ascended and the obelisks did the earthquake thing and wiped the structures
gusty turret
I've always thought of it as being in the southwest corner of the redwoods
Like where that bridge that goes across the river that leads into the swamp is
sick canyon
Funny enough, it was originally going to be on the top of the hill on Grags-isla...
On my first play through that literally where I thought it would have been
I kinda like neddys location more now because of how central it is
bold dove
On my first play through that literally where I thought it would have been
I remember while on set, I used to explore the map while I wasn't needed for shots. Found that building, and asked what it was. 🦛
It was like half-built before he changed his mind and got a professional ARK builder to make the building instead.
gusty turret
I feel like it being central is fitting to the story and it being a poke at Rockwell's ego
We'll find out in tas though hopefully 
sick canyon
I remember while on set, I used to explore the map while I wasn't needed for sho...
Lol I can imagine neddy building a 6x6 stone square
bold dove
He also explained WAY back in his old interview video.
But the manors inside is actually empty. 🦛
There's the exterior set-piece, and the interior one that was a few yards away in the middle of the forest.
gusty turret
Why not just put the interior in the actual interior
sick canyon
That's interesting
Reminds me of how movies are filmed irl
heady mauve
is it possible rockwell manor and nervas fortress(?) got wiped by the obelisks after everyone ascended
bold dove
Why not just put the interior in the actual interior
Cause ARK's building is shit, and the manor would be 3x larger due to how THICC the building pieces are.
bold dove
is it possible rockwell manor and nervas fortress(?) got wiped by the obelisks a...
Could.
But the more realistic situation is that Wildcard forgor to actually give the ruins on the map actual meaning in the story.
heady mauve
Could.
But the more realistic situation is that Wildcard forgor to actually give...
yea cause didnt they make the story as they developed the game
sick canyon
is it possible rockwell manor and nervas fortress(?) got wiped by the obelisks a...
Maybe
But scorched earth ruins are way more intact
gusty turret
Could.
But the more realistic situation is that Wildcard forgor to actually give...
I feel like it wouldn't because all the people were no longer there so it would have no reason to
bold dove
yea cause didnt they make the story as they developed the game
More or less, yeah.
They planned on having a story on day-one, but mostly improvised on the the general points of the lore.
gusty turret
I still wanna put somebody in a cryopod
bold dove
I feel like it wouldn't because all the people were no longer there so it would ...
None of the ruins on The-Island actually tie into the lore.
It isn't till Scorched that the ruins actually matter.
real magnet
the explorer notes arent accurate bc the arthropluera has 51 more leg hairs than it does in the dossier
gusty turret
I eated the rest
bold dove
You mean 'ate?'
gusty turret
Eated
heady mauve
the explorer notes arent accurate bc the arthropluera has 51 more leg hairs than...
who took the time to care about this XD
real magnet
me
gusty turret
I eated a paint
heady mauve
i am confusion rn
sick canyon
I still wanna put somebody in a cryopod
Imagine ark if you could cryopod your tribemates
real magnet
where would they go
gusty turret
Imagine ark if you could ride your tribemates
real magnet
pause
sick canyon
Imagine ark if your dinosaurs could ride you
heady mauve
im gonna need a mindwipe tonic after this 😩
real magnet
ok
gusty turret
Imagine ark if your dinosaurs could ride you
What do you think shoulder pets do
gusty turret
I said it at 9:06 and you said it at 9:07
sick canyon
Wasn't there an april fools update where you could play as raptors and ride humans?
sick canyon
I remember seeing something on youtube
gusty turret
Don't tell us about your twisted recommended feed
heady mauve
I said it at 9:06 and you said it at 9:07
YOU said it and the very end of 9:06 and I said it at the very start of 9:07, Plus... I thought of it first 😉
gusty turret
You may have thoght of it first but i thought of it first
heady mauve
You may have thoght of it first but i thought of it first
damm you got me
sick canyon
I found it
Wildcard did an april fools update video 7 years ago
And it has raptors riding humans in it
heady mauve
wow
brazen sparrow
It wasn't real, it was obviously an April Fools video...
sick canyon
I didn't know if it was an actual update or not because I wasn't playing ark 7 years ago
And other devs like mojang do really good april fools updates
heady mauve
if the notes are numbered 1 through whatever does that mean theyre in chronological order or no
gusty turret
Yes
sick canyon
low briar
For that individual character's story, yes. But for example Helena 5 might take place before Rockwell 1 or something on a given map
They also tend to jump around a bit, not always the same amount of time passes between notes
heady mauve
For that individual character's story, yes. But for example Helena 5 might take ...
yea i figured that ill just peice them together ig
heady mauve
They also tend to jump around a bit, not always the same amount of time passes b...
how long do you think they spent on each ark
like to beat it
low briar
My guess, maybe a couple years on the Island. Scorched and Ab seemed quicker just due to the nature of the story kinda shifting focus
Plus the characters kinda knew what to do by that point.
But that's just my opinion, I'm no lore expert 😂
heady mauve
My guess, maybe a couple years on the Island. Scorched and Ab seemed quicker jus...
a couple years! 😯 im trying to beat the island in 100 days!
also does anyone know what they brought with them after ascension
sick canyon
What if ark had a system that allowed you to leave a custom explorer note and one item that other people could find in their single player world
like the time capsule system in subnautica
gusty turret
My guess, maybe a couple years on the Island. Scorched and Ab seemed quicker jus...
Abb was definitely years too
We know they at least had time to hatch drakes and raise them to adulthood which would take awhile and that's before Helena and Rockwell arrived
Then after the gateway project also took quite a while
I don't remember how long but i feel like it says
The time between note 29-30 is unclear
agile niche
It does feel like any survivor attempting ascension would take years to be able to do it honestly. Like there’s the gathering of resources, establishing a base, finding the artifacts, diplomatic relations with the locals of the arch individual Ark, etc.
low briar
Yeah, building a house from scratch along takes a lot longer than 2 days like in-game 😂
agile niche
Exactly exactly, it feels like the only time the timeline kind of ramped up was with the building of the Meks during Extinction, but they were also quite literally running out of time lol
I have about… 10? Ark OCs and I’ve got their whole timeline from start to finish clocking in at like fifteen years after all the ascensions were said and done haha
gusty turret
I think its funny Helena perfected immortality in decades
How much did she just have to brute force to figure it out
agile niche
Like to think she really beat the snot out of multiple high level threats and one geriatric mutant, she figured it all out
Also I like the significance of her having her face back in the ending Extinction Cinematic as she really reconnected with being Helena and who she was through our efforts as the survivor
gusty turret
Or wildcard just thought it looked cool
low briar
Or anyone not closely following the story would have no idea who floaty ghosty woman was without making it extremely obvious
agile niche
I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt lmfao
heady mauve
does anyone know what was brought with the survivors after ascension?
bold dove
does anyone know what was brought with the survivors after ascension?
In the notes, anything they had on them at the time
sterile snow
What happens to a survivor's dinosaurs after they ascend?
bold dove
What happens to a survivor's dinosaurs after they ascend?
We don't know
low briar
They'd stand motionless at their base until the feeding trough ran out...
sterile snow
That is depressing.
bold dove
As there's never been times a survivor ascended via an Overseer with creatures.
sterile snow
That is depressing.
Minecraft Dog moment.
bold dove
Only time we do know, is the portal on Aberration. Which 'does' bring creatures.
But that could be from the previous survivors wanting to bring their tames.
agile niche
Yeah like Helena’s Argentavis is never mentioned again and her Jerboa stays in Scorched
heady mauve
rip all my tames on the island, once I ascend- So long!
when was tek unlocked in the lore
agile niche
I don’t think Helena even knew about tek until Abb? Specifically because of the Tek Tribe
agile niche
But that said, since Tek exists on all the Arks that could just be Helena being focused on her goal and the dossiers, I don’t think she was ever very tek savvy so to speak
Other survivors like ours? definitely possible they took their faves in cryopods (or at least that’s what I tell myself for my own lore purposes haha)
heady mauve
funny
bold dove
when was tek unlocked in the lore
Aberration.
low briar
I'm not sure it was really 'unlocked' per-se, but there were people with Tek knowledge and Element available on that Ark to get it going
agile niche
Yeah that was my feeling reading through as well
bold dove
The ironic thing is, you playing like this style breaks some of the canon. 🦛
heady mauve
Other survivors like ours? definitely possible they took their faves in cryopods...
Well, if anybody happened upon my notes, they would find that they include me beating all the alpha bosses with a shotgun, hacking the boss terminals and bringing in a giga, and fighting the overseer with so many soups, drugs, and buffs, that I would litterally be a crackhead with weapon's 😀
bold dove
The ironic thing is, you playing like this style breaks some of the canon. 🦛
Cause while tek wasn't a thing in the notes until Aberration.
The-One-Who-Waits does state she gives us the blueprints for tek, then we can get used to it earlier.
low briar
So Tek wouldn't have been a thing unless that person had prior Tek knowledge - at least until the lore events of Extinction
heady mauve
im so confused
agile niche
But if she gives the tek blueprints out to her chosen survivor that doesn’t really break canon? Isn’t that just using the blueprints she already gave you? Also there are survivors that do have tek knowledge considering people are pulled from all time periods by the Arks like Santiago and Diana
heady mauve
i thought we got tek bps from boss battles
bold dove
i thought we got tek bps from boss battles
We do, and that's where the BP's come from canonically.
But you where asking how the note survivors did it, and we gave the answer.
They didn't get it until Aberration, which required people from the era that made tek.
heady mauve
soooooooo if i wanted to play through the "story" and my "character" was not in the "future" that means no tek for me until ab??
bold dove
soooooooo if i wanted to play through the "story" and my "character" was not in ...
That's if you where going through how the note survivors did it, which isn't how things work anymore.
agile niche
I guess that’s where it wanders into who your survivor was in their past life and then you start character building lol
Also question… are children born in the Arks born with specimen implants
bold dove
Also question… are children born in the Arks born with specimen implants
We don't know.
agile niche
Damn
bold dove
Never got into that.
All we know is that humans are fertile.
agile niche
I was hoping someone may have asked in an AMA or something
heady mauve
Also question… are children born in the Arks born with specimen implants
yoo if they did their untrackable and cant cross speak languages, and cant respawn hahaha
agile niche
Yeah, I remember when Rockwell poisoned the tribe on Scorched Earth directly after delivering the chief’s baby
heady mauve
That's if you where going through how the note survivors did it, which isn't how...
why dont things work like thaat anymore
bold dove
why dont things work like thaat anymore
You don't want spoilers you said.
heady mauve
im confuzzled (confused and puzzled)
agile niche
Also I think the Average Survivor can’t respawn either though
heady mauve
WUT
heady mauve
You don't want spoilers you said.
😩
bold dove
im confuzzled (confused and puzzled)
That's what happens when you're trying to play in a style the game/lore wasn't intended for, and not wanting to be spoiled.
heady mauve
That's what happens when you're trying to play in a style the game/lore wasn't i...
you cant say game and lore like that i thought they were seperate
bold dove
you cant say game and lore like that i thought they were seperate
I can, and just did.
heady mauve
That's what happens when you're trying to play in a style the game/lore wasn't i...
you also sound like miguel oh harah "thats what happens when you break a cannon event" (spiderverse)
agile niche
Our respawns are directly related to- oh wait spoilers
heady mauve
OMG
bold dove
you also sound like miguel oh harah "thats what happens when you break a cannon ...
Haven't watched the latest Spiderverse movie, so I don't get it.
sterile snow
What are
heady mauve
Haven't watched the latest Spiderverse movie, so I don't get it.
remember what i said when you watch it and maybe youll laugh
bold dove
respawns related to?
Can't say, we got a non-spoiler man in chat
heady mauve
damm
bold dove
You have DM's disabled
bold dove
You have DM's disabled
@sterile snow
sterile snow
Try now.
heady mauve
That's what happens when you're trying to play in a style the game/lore wasn't i...
need elaboration
agile niche
Tried to send it to you too lol
bold dove
need elaboration
It means, the way you're playing currently wasn't how the lore 'and' game was meant to go.
Things have changed from the few decades between the notes and the games-current time.
heady mauve
It means, the way you're playing currently wasn't how the lore 'and' game was me...
i dont understand, i get the ARKS are destabilizing and becoming harder or somthing but idk
bold dove
i dont understand, i get the ARKS are destabilizing and becoming harder or somth...
More events than just that happen in the notes.
agile niche
The events of the storyline changed how humans experience the Arks basically
sterile snow
Tried to send it to you too lol
Are you able to send now?
heady mauve
The events of the storyline changed how humans experience the Arks basically
ohhhhhhhh
so if i play the game by the rules (UGH) ill experience the story how im suposed to?
bold dove
so if i play the game by the rules (UGH) ill experience the story how im suposed...
Yes, as the lore was made around the game.
So playing the game normally, is more or less how it's suppose to go.
agile niche
Yeah…. If you find the notes 👀
heady mauve
ok.......
so no hacking the obelisks for me or creative twists ig 😓
im still going to cheese the bosses as much as ark is going to allow me to tho
Unless... thats also breaking the cannon events or somthing
bold dove
Unless... thats also breaking the cannon events or somthing
Nah, breaking a cannon is fine since it's just a weapon.
But breaking canon is a different story.
heady mauve
Nah, breaking a cannon is fine since it's just a weapon.
But breaking canon is a...
Dude you HAVE to watch the new spiderman move you MUSt remember me telling you all this, it is a cannon event to make you laugh. Remember
bold dove
Are you able to send me the spoiler now?
I did
heady mauve
when were mutations first added
was that apart of the arks getting harder and evolving, cause wasnt the early acces ark bosses WAY easier and thats why they are harder now and we have to mutate
bold dove
was that apart of the arks getting harder and evolving, cause wasnt the early ac...
Gameplay
heady mauve
huh
bold dove
Mutations aren't ever mentioned in the lore.
brazen sparrow
when were mutations first added
When breeding was, sometime shortly after release (idk for sure, maybe a few months?)
bold dove
You can chock it up to creatures adapting more, which does make sense.
But there's no official canon to their explanation.
heady mauve
The reason im asking is cause I really dont want to mutate armies for the alpha bosses because acording to the lore you dont transfer dinos so that seems like a waste and I also want to experience each map to the fullest and not just run the caves- do bosses-ascend, is there any possible work around or do i have to do this to beat the game the way it was intended/experiece the story. also i already cheesed the alpha brood with the shotgun strat soo.... help?
bold dove
The reason im asking is cause I really dont want to mutate armies for the alpha ...
Just play the game normally.
That's how it is in-canon currently.
And you don't need mutations to do alphas.
bold dove
how.
By not sucking at the game.
Getting max-wild level creatures with good stats, 100% imprinting their children, and stacking their damage with a Yuty will do wonders.
Also, if you have the Single-player option enabled, you do like 4x more damage and have like 6x resistance to bosses.
heady mauve
Also, if you have the Single-player option enabled, you do like 4x more damage a...
is this in the cannon
bold dove
is this in the cannon
I don't fucking think stats are canon in the real-world.
heady mauve
By not sucking at the game.
Getting max-wild level creatures with good stats, 10...
lol
bold dove
Mei was able to bring a Giga into them.
Stats be damned.
agile niche
Mei knows how to rock tbh
heady mauve
fr
solemn fulcrum
i mightve missed some lore that explains what im about to say. but isnt it weird that we never see other survivors through island or schorched?
agile niche
I mean in lore they’re there, and technically if you play with other people there are other survivors there haha
solemn fulcrum
hah, yeah i guess so
agile niche
I actually wish we could see a few more settlements here and there, but I get why a lot of what we come across are just vague ruins
solemn fulcrum
yeah, cause wasnt the island and scorched like 2015-ish?
bold dove
i mightve missed some lore that explains what im about to say. but isnt it weird...
Actually, you're suppose to be canonically in a group.
As 'The-One-Who-Waits' I believe stats you as a group then an indivisual.
gusty turret
Yi qi was not something i wanted to win
Im hyped we finally got a center vote though i was worried about that taking so long to get to
sick canyon
I was kinda hoping for the motobite or the owl
But the yi qi is fine I guess
I hope an aquatic creature wins the center vote
gusty turret
Only if they make the center ocean actually have meat to it
Its so very extremely empty as is
Maybe add some of the gen 1 water boxes
I still wanted kool aid man
heady mauve
is anyone tryna play through the story maps on ASA for lore or do ppl just not care? i looked on recruitment but all ppl want is pvp
agile niche
I’m a singleplayer kind of guy unfortch
heady mauve
I’m a singleplayer kind of guy unfortch
me too, but im tryna branch out and also I think your suposed to be in a group in the lore so im tryna find one
it also just sounds fun, and faster... Wayyyy faster
agile niche
Yeah you’re supposed to be grouped up in a tribe, but that’s why I just have a bunch of OCs with lore lmao
fallow sapphire
is anyone tryna play through the story maps on ASA for lore or do ppl just not c...
Was planning on doing something like that yeah
heady mauve
Was planning on doing something like that yeah
whats exactly your "plan"
fallow sapphire
Well depends, cause I’m planning on having 3 different island worlds going at the same time lol
heady mauve
Well depends, cause I’m planning on having 3 different island worlds going at th...
huh, how, and why
fallow sapphire
Yep, servers, content
heady mauve
Yep, servers, content
makes sense
gusty turret
me too, but im tryna branch out and also I think your suposed to be in a group i...
You're gonna save yourself a lot of grief if you stop trying to play the way the original survivors did
bold dove
You're gonna save yourself a lot of grief if you stop trying to play the way the...
That's what I've been saying.
gusty turret
The point is, the circumstances have changed, we aren't them, we follow in their footsteps, not their actions, we're meant to rise above and finish the job, not stay in their shadow
bold dove
The way you play the game normally is basically the intended canonical way.
As long as your not breaking the game, like duping or meshing and shit, then you're playing the game how it was canonically intended.
heady mauve
that makes sense, I finnally understand- thank you for bearing with cause my gosh
cedar berry
WTF
cedar berry
I’m so confused
heady mauve
here we go again...
bold dove
I’m so confused
About?
cedar berry
Everything
bold dove
Everything
That doesn't round it down.
cedar berry
What is ark
gusty turret
Lets start at the beginning of life
When something loves another something very much
bold dove
What is ark
You want a tl;dr?
cedar berry
?
bold dove
Too-long, didn't read.
cedar berry
Sure?
gusty turret
Too-long, didn't read.
Me every time the regulars in this channel start arguing and i come in 5 hours later and say something that was already said 50 times and start it again
bold dove
Sure?
Funny space rock comes down sometime in the future.
Humans use space-rock to make tek.
Humans used to for a more-or-less World-War between two of the dominating governments (U.R.E, Terran-Federation)
Tek runs on Element (funny stuff in space-rock) and whenever used, it releases spores.
Spores rooted themselves and started to become Corrupted.
Humans end war after the Corruption got out of hand and started wiping out all life.
Humans made the ARK's (giant ass space-stations meant to preserve life) and the Genesis-ship (to find a new planet)
Rest of humanity on Earth died, and so did the planet.
cedar berry
That it or no
bold dove
That it or no
That's a very basic version of the lore to roughly catch you up.
cedar berry
Also just downloaded the game what is a giga?
bold dove
If you're interested for more in-depth, watch the Survival-Stories by NeddytheNoodle.
cedar berry
Where’s that
bold dove
Also just downloaded the game what is a giga?
A rex-like creature 6x larger then a rex, and the Apex-predator of the game.
gusty turret
On YouTube
bold dove
Where’s that
YouTube
cedar berry
Oh god