lore-nerdz

[agile glade]

Can you see who asked?

[lyric tendon]

the overseer is like your teacher oversee your grades

[mental basin]

No, but I'm seeing your mother tonight.

[lyric tendon]

the guardians are your exam

[agile glade]

I’m trying to state reasoning, I’m not saying I’m right or wrong

Their is no proof it is or isn’t a guardian

[lyric tendon]

we have evidences that stated that you are wrong but you choose to ignore that

[lyric tendon]

read an explorer note, that is all you need

[mental basin]

Let's end our hostilities here and now with a big, "Who cares?"

[lyric tendon]

you summoned me

[mental basin]

Can't get everyone to know the story.

Call me spiderman, 'cause there ain't no way I'm saving everyone.

[mental basin]

Does that make you a Guardian?

[lyric tendon]

Ned is my Overseer

[mental basin]

He's mine too fr

[ornate hull]

Mie yin tameing the new dino

I don't want to try to spell it yet

[lyric tendon]

cheat forcetameAOE 9000

[ornate hull]

Be a man and get it with out the aoe

[lyric tendon]

Nah you don't think like Mei Yin

[mental basin]

Do you guys read my Messages in a deep or high voice

This is crucial to the ARK story

[timid quiver]

what

[mental basin]

You're not a regular here

[timid quiver]

no im not

I usually hang back and enjoy the freak show on a channel instead of partaking in conversation

Unless i want to know how to become bob squad

which i already have done so ima leave now im bored time to play more minecraft

[mental basin]

You're at the right place then 💀

[timid quiver]

Beans

[sick canyon]

I read your messages in a pretty normal voice
Maybe slightly on the deeper side?

Anyway, how is that crucial to the ark story?

[mental basin]

It's not, I'm a horrible liar

[lyric tendon]

The "but actually" voice

[mental basin]

Erm ackyshyually

[gusty turret]

I simply don't read any messages in any voice

They simply fax into my head

[stiff estuary]

Me too

[quaint marsh]

very true

[candid onyx]

i wonder , why didnt the overseers of every ark not do something about rockwell? assuming his plan was detrimental to the arks intentions.

overseers vs rockwell!

[lyric tendon]

because the overseer is nuked before rockwell arrived

and they are overseers, not the police

[gusty turret]

That sounds like something a fed would say to cover their fellow feds to me

[gusty turret]

Quite frankly? They probably didn't care

They also had no way or reason to stop him even if they wanted to

[mental basin]

Well, for one, they're all tied to their own ARK. And Aberration's was completely destroyed.

Note that Rockwell somehow took role as Overseer after he became a mutant.

Even if the Overseers were able to put an end to him, he's also one of them. He's a product of a completely broken ARK, there's no telling what strings he could or couldn't pull in his favor.

[lyric tendon]

although he is dumb not to utilize the other ARKs in his favor (since he "speaks to the ARKs" and all) unless there is a countermeasure (like Helena being Homo Deus) to prevent a corrupted entity like Rockwell to take over

[gusty turret]

Guys guys technically we can say Rockwell made the reaper and it wouldn't be a full truth but it wouldn't be a full lie either

[candid onyx]

didnt he? he pulled you from one ark to another

[lyric tendon]

Notes that predates Rockwell entering Ab (Diana and Mei's Notes) proved otherwise that reapers are not made by rockwell

We literally made a movie about this

[lyric tendon]

Yes but he can't control the other overseers

[gusty turret]

Okay but he made the ones on gen 2

[mental basin]

Cough. He speaks to the ARK.

He has no rule over the other ones.

[bold dove]

He speaks to the 'ARK' as in the Aberration ARK.
I don't recall any plurals.

[mental basin]

My name's Edmund, and I speak for the ARKs

[gusty turret]

I find ab note 29 weird

It whispers to me of something greater, a plane ever higher than the one I walk now. We can reach it, the two of us. The ARK and I. Together

I read that as Helena talking to him but

I just don't see why the ark would be telling him about ascension

Helena, on the other hand, may want to go back and tell her old friend what happened, and him being him would misinterpret that as thinking he and the ark could reach it together

[bold dove]

Yeah, he states it as a singular ARK, not plural.

[bold dove]

It isn't.
What it most likely is, is the Homo-Deus of Aberration.
While the physical shell of them, aka the Overseer, may be destroyed. I don't think an actual Homo-Deus can die.
Or at least die in traditional means.

@mental basin can correct me.
But I don't think 'The-System' is actually sentient, if I recall. So I don't think it can be that.

[mental basin]

It is not.

And it's not likely to be Aberration's Deus. Rockwell would know what a Homo Deus is, since he knows about Helena. It's just information from the System flowing into him.

[bold dove]

Fair.

I believe that note is somewhat right after he became the overseer of Aberration, so from a still Venturina-era mindset that's a bit drugged up. Command-prompts from the ARK would seem like it's talking to him.

Imagine of the-system runs on fucking Java. 💀

[mental basin]

The Gen-Sim runs on C++

[mental basin]

You think I'm joking

Some of the Tekxt in HLN-A's Explorer Notes straight up translates to basic C++ programming 💀

[rain dock]

Tbf,, Java, c++, c, and c# look very similar

[lyric tendon]

I got a PTSD from writing a basic C++ code on a piece of paper

[rain dock]

Wait til you have to write x86 on paper. It's absolutely horrid

[strange nymph]

Hell nah

[rain dock]

You are joking right...

[strange nymph]

I mean yeah, every one of them uses english, so the wording is often similar
But the structure is different in every one

[rain dock]

C++ java, and c# are all built on c, and are remarkably still similar

[bold dove]

"Java's syntax is borrowed from C++, "

Java is to C++, like how GoldSrc is to the Quake engine

[rain dock]

Compare them to python...

Or Javascript

[strange nymph]

I learned java for the last couple years, and i have an incredibly hard time learning c# because it's wording is similar but it's still so different

[rain dock]

They way they treat memory is different, and they all do oop differently, but the core code is the same

[bold dove]

Right, so Java is related to C++, correct?

[rain dock]

Daré I say, skill issue?

[rain dock]

No. But both are built on c

[strange nymph]

With this logic Lua should also be built on c because it's similar

[bold dove]

That's what I meant, sorry.

[rain dock]

Was Lua built on c?

I don't actually know. I don't code lua

Apparently Lua is an scripting language written in c, so it's probably not related to any of them

It's more like bash in that aspect

[strange nymph]

C lore?

[bold dove]

So Java and C++ are offshoots of C, correct?

[rain dock]

Yes

Both designed for basically the same purpose at basically the same time lol

It's also why c++ should be the first language a programmer learns. Because it is the easiest root level language that covers all the bases, and is easily extended to multiple other important languages

[bold dove]

Not sure if there's like a weird family tree to some coding languages like engines do.

[strange nymph]

Tbh I have no clue why I learned java
5 years of my life wasted
It's incredibly useless to me

[rain dock]

I mean, java is basically only useful for Android these days, and even there kotlin is taking over

[bold dove]

Useful if you wanted to get into the Minecraft modding scene

[strange nymph]

I would have been better off with python and so much better with c#
I wanted to make games but i can't because java is dumb

[bold dove]

Not sure how true this is, but apperently C++ is from just C, and Java/C# is deprived from C++

[rain dock]

I mean, c# for taming is totally different from normal c#

[rain dock]

They are made following the same blueprint and have mostly the same syntacs, but the core mechanics of the languages are different

[strange nymph]

Lol yeah
I was thinking about that, just to use it for ANYTHING at this point
Just so i can think it's not 100% wasted

[rain dock]

Use it to learn another language...

Or build an app

[strange nymph]

I can't
If I try i just start writing like java, get confused and give up

[rain dock]

If you already know Java for Android, then kotlin will be a piece of cake

[rain dock]

You just gotta write more lol

The more you code the more you can

[bold dove]

Know any tips to getting into coding?

[rain dock]

Yeah, just do it 😂😂

[bold dove]

That is advise you've ever gave out.

[rain dock]

Seriously though, w3schools is a good resource, and you can look up tutorials on c++ everywhere. I would recommend getting the logic structures down, and loops and whatnot. Look into recursion and oop, and then try to build something

[strange nymph]

Yeah
And don't learn java

[rain dock]

You'll learn more about code by writing it than you will by listening to someone talk about it

[bold dove]

I know this'll be 5-year old energy, but like.....are they visual?
I fucking suck at understanding text-tutorials instead of verbal stuff.

[rain dock]

I would recommend starting with c++ or python. (c++) and maybe trying Linux. But that might be a big jump

[bold dove]

I've learned a little bit of Java, but every goddamn Minecraft modding tutorial tells you 'what' to do, but now 'how' it works.

[jagged pine]

Also recommend these three

[rain dock]

Um, usually just ignore the written explanation and run the examples

[strange nymph]

Depending on what you use to code you can format your code to make it easier to understand
Or just generally use a basic layout

[rain dock]

Also, stack exchange and Google are your best frienda

Even chatgpt helps a lot

[bold dove]

Know any channels to learn C++?

[strange nymph]

It can be very very wrong

[rain dock]

Yeah, but it's a start sometimes

[jagged pine]

I originally started learning coding with Kahn academy before I went to college for cyber security

[bold dove]

Yeah, that I know.
But I've been using him as more of a proof-of-concept to give me pointers or fix errors, not full on make coding for me.

[rain dock]

W3schools is a good spot

[bold dove]

It's better at finding errors then it is actually making coding.

[rain dock]

Yeah, never use chat gpt to write your code lol

[strange nymph]

Join the unity community

[bold dove]

Ew.

[jagged pine]

I've seen full tutorials sell for hundreds of dollars that was 100% created by ai, ai is a huge fing help

[bold dove]

I'll get hate on this, but I enjoy Unreal more then Unity.

[rain dock]

That's a waste of hundreds of dollars

[rain dock]

Ue is better...

It uses c++, and I have bias

[strange nymph]

Yeah, i get where you are coming from
But unity feels easier, i see so many projects fail because ue said no

[bold dove]

Objectively, yes.
But there's a lot of people who like Unity.

[bold dove]

Fair.

[jagged pine]

Yeah, it's crazy that the people wanting to use ai to make money buy courses made by ai when the could have used chat got for free

[bold dove]

What languages do w3schools support? @rain dock

[strange nymph]

A lot of things

[bold dove]

Oh hey, they got C++

C++ is like, the universal language most dev's use for gaming, right?

[rain dock]

It's universally the biggest language besides python. Anything you want to run fast, you use c++

Ue is writing their own language now though

[bold dove]

Oh, what is it?

Cause I believe blueprints are built off of C++ coding.

[rain dock]

Don't remember what it is called. But it's a brand new thing. I don't even knownif its released yet

[bold dove]

The-Verse?

I believe it's what they use for Fortnite now.

[rain dock]

That's probably what it is

[mental basin]

Jablinski Games on YouTube.com

[rain dock]

Huh

[novel mauve]

@prisma abyss

[ornate hull]

I just realized that the griffin dossier says it's from the late triassic

[novel mauve]

@delicate rivet

[gusty turret]

Something tells me that's false

I mean im seeing what youre seeing on wiki.gg

But i don't believe thats what the dossier is meant to say

Unless they changed it or something

[mental basin]

The Corrupted Master Controller has such an odd design.

It's supposed to be made in Rockwell's image, yes- but it looks NOTHING like him.

The name 'Corrupted Master Controller' infers that it's the Master Controller simply seized by Rockwell, but you can't convince me that the original Master Controller was just some floating head of a random-ass guy.

Even if this is a construct built by Rockwell from the ground-up, why does he look like that??

[low briar]

Early prototype rendering for the true master of the Arks

[mental basin]

💀 What

[lyric tendon]

tbf the original rockwell is just mutated bob

hence no hair

[mental basin]

He does have hair.

It just blends into his model.

He has a 'stache,, too.

[lyric tendon]

he does? i dont recall he has

[mental basin]

It took me years to actually notice.

But once you see it, you can't unsee it.

[low briar]

See? Told you 😂

[bold dove]

Yeah, he does.
Like Stel said though, it's blended within the model.

[glad crow]

I have a question about implants. They act as verbal translaters. Do both parties need an implant to speak and understand each other?

[brazen sparrow]

We don't know for sure, but it would make sense for it to be incoming translation as opposed to out going, if that makes any sense to begin with

[glad crow]

That's reasonable, thanks.

[stiff estuary]

Idk ig

[gusty turret]

So the real question is what are they gonna do when the implants stop working

[lyric tendon]

they die

[ornate hull]

That's what it says ingame not on the subtitles for the thing tho so ya

[bronze turtle]

Ark: Survival Evolved has a fantastic story. Unfortunately, Studio Wildcard has no clue how to make a video game yet did it anyways.

[carmine cedar]

Your point?

[bronze turtle]

Well the point of that was simply a criticism in the form of an exaggerated joke. Studio Wildcard very much so knows how to make a video game yet their game does not include many of the basic quality of life adjustments that many other games of the same genre have that have become mandatory at this point. While criticizing the game I am simultaneously complementing the great story they have crafted

[lyric tendon]

Unfortunately like some people, they just forgot the lore lmao

Gen 2 proved such inconsistencies now played of as "different story" and lost media like Rockwell's Island 1 is different from the final one and Boris' final note is a placeholder

Don't forget #ark-animated-series where some of the events are vastly different from the notes because "protags need cool moments"

[carmine cedar]

“like some other games”, looks at like all recent releases

[bronze turtle]

So you’re implying Studio Wildcard has no clue how to make a video game because they are incapable of updating or providing these quality of life adjustments at all and instead choose to add cutscenes, creatures, and entirely new areas of play. They continue to add and add without providing the modern standard of an open world survival game.

This game has had active updates. Yet I still have a lot of trouble with basic mechanics simply not working or features that make no sense

[carmine cedar]

For example?

[bronze turtle]

I love Ark. I enjoy it quite a lot, but it seems like Studio Wildcard only knows how to make half a game. One half is a surprisingly polished game with mechanics that make a lot of sense, gameplay and logistical wise. Then the other half is getting trapped inside of a velociraptor because Studio Wildcard has no clue how hitboxes work

[carmine cedar]

Only the old creatures suffer from hitbox issues

[bronze turtle]

It’s rarely ever game breaking things. It’s the quality of life adjustments that just make sense not being there that’s making me do this whole overexagerration joke

[carmine cedar]

Hmm

[bronze turtle]

If that’s the case then Studio Wildcard is acting like Bethesda where they let the fans fix their mistakes and problems through mods that players like I can’t even access even though another up and coming standard is basic mod support for platforms other than PC

[lyric tendon]

this is not related to lore but ok

[brazen sparrow]

still didn't provide an example of a basic mechanic not working
mfw

[carmine cedar]

Common ARK discord moment

[carmine cedar]

But you know what is related?
||Mei Yin being canonically thicc||

[lyric tendon]

i guess helena forgot the armoring where the belt is, making Mei

T H I C C

[brazen sparrow]

Fr though, what is up with this recent influx of new people joining just to complain? I thought we were past this...

[lyric tendon]

welcome to ARK

[ornate hull]

Ngl I miss the build up to gen 2 in the chat

[lyric tendon]

if WC just make an elaborate ARG instead

[mental basin]

They did.

Gen1 had like, digital genome sequencing or sum I don't remember

Massive ARG that we've kinda lost access to the lore of

[bronze turtle]

Perhaps

[brazen sparrow]

It was the reveal of the Genesis pass, and it was super basic (you literally just translated the tek writing in the 3D VR-ish website which, while cool, was not really an ARG as they're typically known)

[bronze turtle]

Si

I wish this game had a book

[brazen sparrow]

And it's still available, we haven't lost it unless you count the website having several stages and those stages lasting a limited amount of time as it was a limited time event (but was recorded extensively so not really "lost" per se)

[bronze turtle]

Yeah I was about to comment on that

I remember when that happened

[brazen sparrow]

It was really fun at the time, them doing something similar again would not be shunned on my part tbh

[lyric tendon]

They could've hire someone who is an expert in making ARG to add more to the crunch instead of just barely an update

[bronze turtle]

For ARK 2, yeah. ARK 1 updates are, questionable nowadays.

[brazen sparrow]

Which crunch? There's hundreds 😅

[lyric tendon]

Yes

[bronze turtle]

Agreed

[brazen sparrow]

Fair enough

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, even ASA will be getting content in the future, no reason they couldn't do them simultaneously, or even have one that is for both at different parts

ARGs, I mean

[bronze turtle]

I was under the impression that it was a simple reskin and engine switch. New content will be very nice, fixes would be nice.

[brazen sparrow]

Or something similar at least

It's a full on remake 😅

ASA is waaaaaaaaaaay past just being an engine swap or port

[bronze turtle]

I have been hearing far different else where. The entire reason I joined this Discord server is to get more information about ASA and it seems I have

[brazen sparrow]

There's no comprehensive rundown/list of all the changes yet (at least, the ones we know of as there's more they haven't shown yet), but I'll find you a couple of crunches that have the majority of the info we know so far real quick

[bronze turtle]

Fanks!

[arctic bison]

starting from Crunch 355

[brazen sparrow]

The initial announcement
https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-355-ark-roadmap-evo-event-and-more-r2075/

The followup with more recent info
https://survivetheark.com/index.php?/articles.html/community-crunch-356-ark-roadmap-update-rhyniognatha-concept-and-more-r2078/

[bronze turtle]

“cleaned-up code base, making use of the new technological advancements not only in the industry but also in what we are working on with ARK 2.”

I might pre-order this now

All jokes aside that looks awesome

[brazen sparrow]

I don't believe it's up for pre-order, but to be fair I haven't looked 😅

[bronze turtle]

That was part of the joke but I wouldn’t see the point. Well, maybe some games have pre-order without “bonuses” just for people with no jobs or something I guess

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, I would do it to support them, but probably like a day or two before release when the most info on it is known

But I doubt it'll do that anyways, they typically don't have pre-orders historically iirc

Unless you count like, the season passes as "pre-orders", I guess

[mental basin]

Not that one.

It was post-Arat Prime uplink ARG

It was a dedicated WC made Forum page for the Official Forums iirc

I might have to bug Jat about it, but it gave us a ton of (what's at this point retconned) Gen1 HLN-A/Helena interaction stuff.

Wasn't the Mysterious Mysteries either, I remember specifically something to do with sequencing strands of DNA.

[strange nymph]

Hey
Can someone give me a quick rundown of hln-a and Helena?
Or can someone direct me to some videos where i can finally understand what exactly is happening?
Because I get that Helena somehow uploaded herself, but from there it's darkness, on how it actually made hln-a and what happened to the actual Helena

[bold dove]

Helena was uploaded with the help of Mei and Diana.
After that, she made HLN-A to guide any survivors on the Genesis-ship.
As for what actually happened to Helena after that, most likely got yeeted out of reality as all Homo-Deus's will.

[strange nymph]

Isn't Helena the one that helps the player? Or was that hln-a too?

[bold dove]

She helps us up to Extinction.

Then it's HLN-A that helps us in Genesis 1-2.

[bronze turtle]

What is Helena doing during Genesis 1 and 2

[bold dove]

What is she?

[bronze turtle]

Cuz hlna is not really Helena right

So Helena is just out there what she doin homo Deus stuff?

[bold dove]

Yeah, she's a Homo-Deus.

She's been once since Extinction

[bronze turtle]

So she just out an about

[bold dove]

More like 'out of reality'

[mental basin]

Not to guide Survivors.

It's been retconned.

It's just to help the Mission in general.

[bold dove]

Shit, I keep forgetting about that.

[mental basin]

Every aspect pretty much.

[bold dove]

Wait, why the fuck was that changed?

[mental basin]

Dunno.

[bold dove]

Fair enough

Gen-2 lore hurts me

[bold dove]

Honest question.
What'd you think of Gen-2's lore?

[mental basin]

Nida is forgettable but interesting when looked into more deeply.
Gabriel is just kinda confusing, but also becomes more interesting under the microscope.
HLN-A still feels like filler, but she's way better in Gen2. Wish she actually gave relevant info.
Santiago's Notes are the best by far. From ARK II foreshadowing, to important dates in the story, and even to context behind everything as we know it, they're some of the best in the game, even if only for the context they provide.

Now I sleep.

[bright dagger]

Is there any lore on why otters can carry multiple artifacts at the same time?

[bold dove]

I don't believe so

[bright dagger]

Alr, i feel like some interesting stories could be made out of that feature

[glad crow]

They're otters. Even the overseers can't say no to otters.

[bold dove]

Honestly, I will take that as canon of "the overseers want to encourage otters to be tamed, cause they feel bad for them while they're in the wilds."

[low briar]

Because half the non-canon maps have Otter Shrines or some BS

[somber pebble]

Those map are canon but thar just not visited by Helena

[lyric tendon]

there is a reason why they are called

non-story maps

[brazen sparrow]

When they are referred to by the developers as both non-canon and non-story maps in various posts, then it's pretty obvious that they aren't canon 😅

[gusty turret]

I say we make em canon

Notes on the other maps would open so many opportunities

Just like little one-shots compared to the original story

[lyric tendon]

nah

none of the mod maps fit the ARK story anyways

genesis sim sure but never in the ARK "ARK" story

[bronze turtle]

Every human ever was on the arks right

[mental basin]

No.

Just a lot of them.

[gusty turret]

That's still a lot though

Wouldn't it be like trillions by the time ark takes place

[covert hedge]

Ya

[mental basin]

No.

Pre-ARK takes place in the 2,300's.

Right now only 117 billion humans have walked the Earth.

So nowhere near trillions.

[lyric tendon]

well the war and corruption resets that to zero

[bold dove]

Seriously?
I'd thought it'd be in the trillions if we're counting all of the possible dead people.

Oh yeah, no. You're 100% right.
That seems a bit low, but then I forgor we're only like 300k years old of a species.

[brazen sparrow]

Gotta love phantom @ 's, probably nothing important but still annoying

[lethal sparrow]

This has been on my mind recently
Is element flammable/combustible?

[lyric tendon]

The thing about element is that it can be anything

[pliant roost]

what?

[bold dove]

What?

[pliant roost]

I skimmed ark lore but idr seeing that

[bold dove]

Yeah, Element can turn into any form of, well, element.

It's a solid, gas, liquid, and plasma.

[pliant roost]

oh lol I misinterpreted that message

[bold dove]

Element waifu I assume?

[pliant roost]

[carmine cedar]

We don’t need others when we have Mei Yin

[bold dove]

Mei is already taken.
Element is still single.

[pliant roost]

[carmine cedar]

Petition to change lore for Mei Yin to be single.

[bold dove]

Petition rejected.

[bold dove]

Even if she was, I don't think she'd date you.

[carmine cedar]

It’d be easier to simp. 🦛

[gusty turret]

I mean element also just can be anything

Not literally but it is a substitute for like every resource we know of

[quaint marsh]

No no, element has Rockwell

I think they're more than best friends, just not openly

[bold dove]

Well, it's still single.

Cause he be dead.

[quaint marsh]

Element became a single mother

[lyric tendon]

Nah, he is getting the milk

[bronze turtle]

how Mei yin bring a gigantosaurys into megapithecus

[swift gale]

She got admin commands 😔

[mental basin]

My ARK waifu days are Joever.

[lament raft]

then she KO tamed a rock drake

[gusty turret]

Do you think Rockwell will show his feet in tas

[lyric tendon]

NO

[gusty turret]

I mean David Tennant did it at least once in Doctor Who so

Why not make it a theme

[low briar]

There's weirder

[rigid grove]

[gusty turret]

#tennanttoes

[stiff estuary]

Yo guys quick question, so we know from his ab voice lines that rockwell wants to dethrone the king titan and become the ruler of everything, but why is rockwell a: not a mindless corrupted creature, b: trying to fight other element while being an element monster himself, shouldn’t he be trying to help the king titan?

[gusty turret]

Because corruption is element but Rockwell is only heavily mutated by element

Corruption=element
Element≠corruption
Rockwell=Rockwell+element

It only gets more confusing

[stiff estuary]

Strange

[bronze turtle]

what’s that little ball in the middle of the arena after you beat the Overseer

[stiff estuary]

I think that’s just like a projector for the whole solar system hologram

[bronze turtle]

k thanks

[low briar]

I thought it was the Overseer's corpse?

[cerulean yacht]

So element is good or is evil?

[lyric tendon]

more or less the physical orb is the key that sends you to ascend

[low briar]

Element is Element, it doesn't have morality

[lyric tendon]

because the ARK whispered to him... so to say

[stiff estuary]

It simply spreads and grows

[lyric tendon]

also he still an egomaniac since day 1

[stiff estuary]

I think it’s after he found the artifact of the skylord where he started to become insane, before he was a cool guy ig

[lyric tendon]

ye but see island note 1 tho

"dont touch my journal or i will kill you"

[stiff estuary]

I mean it’s technically his research notes, it’s his property

Tho he simply tells you to hang your head in shame if u stole it

Or smth

[lyric tendon]

i mean do does Helena's dossiers yet she never make a threatening remark like that

[stiff estuary]

Fair enough, but still, at that point in the plot rockwell was still a normal guy tho

[lyric tendon]

plus it signifies, he didnt do it for science, he did it for ego

[stiff estuary]

I think ego defo a part of it, but still, I’m sure he did care about science, I think it’s rlly finding the artifact where his ego started rapidly growing

[lyric tendon]

he only care if it's in his benefit

he let his fellow scientist die to the compies

[stiff estuary]

Oh yeah that happened, tho I’m sure he would have made an effort to save him

[lyric tendon]

he didn't

he doesnt show remourse in his notes

[stiff estuary]

He could still have tried, tho ig we won’t know

[lyric tendon]

i know because i read the notes

we literally made a movie about that

[stiff estuary]

Ye but which note exactly cuz I don’t remember him explicitly letting someone die for nothing, at least not at that point, later on he just leads nervas men to all die to the overseer

[lyric tendon]

SE i believe

he was like "poor gerald, oh well"

[stiff estuary]

Ye but still he could have tried to save him, sure he should prob be a lot more sad by his death, but tbf at that point he’s in scorched

[lyric tendon]

he could but he didnt stated doing as such

he never show sadness in his notes, mostly jealousy

[mental basin]

Not really 'Poor Gerald, oh well.'

Moreso, 'Poor Gerald. Unfortunate.'

[lyric tendon]

same energy tbh

[stiff estuary]

Lol I’m rewatching the explorer notes series by needythenoodle and I just realized my usual base spot for the island is where rockwells house is at lol

[pliant roost]

lol

[glad crow]

Would you like to report any unexplained desires to kill indiscriminately and become a god?

[stiff estuary]

I mean the liquid element in ab looks kinda appetizing…

[rich tusk]

I’m thirsty for some radiation...

[quaint marsh]

He did it for science but already had an ego, as well as for trade. He wasn't spending hours fretting over not getting his research done if he didn't care about it. In the notes he himself mentioned multiple times that he was genuinely interested in the soups and their effects, and dedicated to his craft, until he became obsessed by the Obelisks.

[lament raft]

almost time for ark aberration story part 3

[brazen sparrow]

I've seen like four different streams that said it was the launch party for it and then not seen it actually be out lol

[lament raft]

guh, keeps getting pushed back

hopefully soon

[low briar]

Wow content creators, why can't you all just keep to your deadlines and release schedules? Why the constant delays and disappointments? Reeeeee

Wildcard:

[lament raft]

it's starting looks like

[lament raft]

that was fun

[gusty turret]

Ark 2 2055 comfirmed

[bronze turtle]

ii have a question do the impalnts cannonically also give the survivors engrams?

[low briar]

I don't think so, that's more of a game mechanic thing

[bronze turtle]

then how did the postgrade students get harzard suits and stuff?

[dense ice]

How'd y'all like the finale? 🙂

[bronze turtle]

best thing i have seen all week

good job man

[low briar]

The what?

[dense ice]

Thanks! 🎊

[dense ice]

ARK: The Survival Stories (Aberration) part 3

[lyric tendon]

le end of an era

[low briar]

Dunno, don't watch em

[bronze turtle]

you should

[lyric tendon]

you should

[bronze turtle]

it was all in le head

[lyric tendon]

right...?

easter music stops

[lone shuttle]

where do the survivors get ink

[hollow dust]

bros

we can find admin

plz

[carmine cedar]

@dense ice you didn’t portray Mei Yin accurately 😢

T H I C C

[lyric tendon]

Same way you make colorings in game

[jagged kernel]

How many war crimes has the survivor committed canonically

[lyric tendon]

yes

[dense ice]

bro have you seen the ark survivor?

I aint gotta add anything to dat

🤷‍♂️

[carmine cedar]

MOARR I begs

[candid cave]

Lmao

[carmine cedar]

It's canon

[lyric tendon]

nah just Helena forgot the flap of the Tek Pants that covers Mei's butt

[carmine cedar]

Helena knew what she waa doing

[bronze turtle]

💀

[strange nymph]

The last survival notes video was absolutely brutal
I love it so much, it's incredible

[strange nymph]

Btw, what exactly is the overseer? Some sort of ai or what?

[lyric tendon]

not AI

more of a cluster of homo deus used as a computer

[bold dove]

Overseers is a physical shell for a Homo-Deus to control.

[mental basin]

Only one.

[harsh island]

Would the New Legion conquest of The Island actually improve the ark or would the obelisk just destroy the civilisation?

[lament raft]

the giga was probably spawned to wipe out the legion

and it did its job

[harsh island]

i mean, they were able to ambush it and make it cause massive collateral damage

[lament raft]

and it still wreaked havoc among the legion army

we saw with Gnosti the ark will continually raise the stakes to push survivors until it intervenes directly

[strange nymph]

I believe they would have been left alone
The obelisks wants humans to get stronger, and if you are at war you are going to improve. (that sounded weird)
The other 2 only got wiped out because they were just chilling, not helping the "evolution" of people
But this is only how i imagine it

[harsh island]

then what about after the rest was conquered?

[strange nymph]

Dunno
I guess if they achieve a state where the whole island is stable and it's just one empire, they would have met the same end
But war never changes

[harsh island]

either that or y'know, Rome Rome's and splinters into another civil war

[bronze turtle]

is this canon

[lyric tendon]

No because it's a wacky optical illusion on Helena's part because the Tek Suit makes everyone T H I C C, Mei don't see herself as thick

But kink away 🏏

[bronze turtle]

??? explain this

[lyric tendon]

They just see one Helena note and suddenly somehow everyone thinks "Mei is T H I C C"

[bronze turtle]

ok then

[carmine cedar]

Helena drew Mei Yin with a thicc booty

And we trust Helena

[lyric tendon]

Helena: oh pegos are friendly

[harsh island]

liar

[lyric tendon]

Said so in the dossier

[harsh island]

Helena is now my least favorite character

[bronze turtle]

nuh uh

idk I don’t collect notes like that

[gusty turret]

Pegos are definitely friendly

They're just little kleptos

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, they literally run at you, what could be more friendly than that? /s

[arctic bison]

they even give you a marrocan hug

[gusty turret]

I feel bad for diplos

They just wanna play

[strange nymph]

They are actually one of the least annoying things
If I had a gun with 2 bullets, and was in a room with a Diplo and a Microraptor i would shoot the Microraptor twice, to say

[bold dove]

Diplo you could always try to make peace with it by feeding it the dead Microraptor.
Microraptor though wont care if you try to feed it the diplo.

[errant stream]

So with the new Asa dlc on the time line coming out after abberation releases do we still think that it will be set post extinction pre gen1 I'm curious as to where it would take place story wise if that's the case

[rain dock]

I am betting it is at the same time as Gen, but in a different place

[arctic bison]

after? they're both slated for Q4 2023

[rain dock]

We talking lore time-line, not release tjmeline

[arctic bison]

i saw ''releases'' in the sentence and took it as release timeline

[fallow sapphire]

Yeah release timeline isnt it set to be out before extinction?

The main thing making me skeptical of it being arat prime ngl

[brazen sparrow]

I don't see how/why when it comes out has any bearing on what it will be 🤷‍♂️

[fallow sapphire]

Fair enough

I guess my thought process is they are releasing all the other canonical maps in order (logically), so it’s odd for something that takes place after extinction to release before it

[brazen sparrow]

The Arat Prime theory is just that, a theory. There's 0 evidence to suggest that it's the new/next DLC

[carmine cedar]

Yea

[mental basin]

There is plenty, you just choose to ignore it.

Watch the Arat Prime Video Ned and I made.

[lyric tendon]

Brusing is just a lore revisionist lmao

[low briar]

I don't think that changes the fact that we don't know what the new DLC will be until it's actually revealed - YouTuber theories or not

[gusty turret]

We'll get Matpat on it dwdw

[quaint marsh]

My man was just saying that there is literally no info about the new DLC other than creature amount and release I think

Not that Arat Prime isn't a thing

[mental basin]

"There's 0 evidence to suggest that it's the new/next DLC"

I countered by giving him a source with all currently available evidence.

[low briar]

Source? Like, Wildcard Dev source? Or theoretical source?

I mean, if it's Wildcard Dev sources that's one thing - everything else is just speculation...

[bold dove]

Issue is, Ned stated on stream that he was told by someone that 'it's something we've already seen.'
Technically, we haven't physically seen Arat-Prime yet. So the likelyhood of it being an Arat-Prime dlc are kind of low now.

[low briar]

So a YouTuber, not actually WC 🤔

[bold dove]

Correct, but the way he stated it was kind of sus.
He said "a little birdy told me."

[low briar]

Cool, so no evidence yet what the DLC will be

'Something we've already seen' can be an Ark, Earth, a tree, a rock 😂

[bold dove]

Correct.
Which is what I said, doesn't boad well for Arat-Prime

[bold dove]

Kind of zoned after that moment, so I can't recall if Ned brought it up or not.
But something I thought of, is what if it's an Animated-Series DLC?

[low briar]

Dunno, don't watch the vids.
Animated Series already has a bunch of new characters, I see no reason why one or potentially more couldn't have come from a different Ark. Helena and Co were the first to escape the Arks, but even with the Scorched notes we know others have defeated the Guardians

Side-story Ark could be pretty interesting while keeping the main story relatively intact

[bold dove]

Basically what Halo should've done.

Finished the main universes plot, but leave enough room for decades worth of storytelling with the world building.

[low briar]

I do kinda wonder what the Re-Seed would have been like for those still on the Arks, did they get any warning or anything or just suddenly falling

[lyric tendon]

If it's not Arat Prime

Why not Pre-ARK like the Tek Wars

The possibilities are endless if they choose full prequel

[bold dove]

I'd be down for Pre-ARK game, but not a DLC.

[low briar]

I feel a full prequel DLC ight be a bit weird without significant core design changes. Like, why would Tekkies need dinosaurs or tames? What purpose would they serve, or why are they even there?

[bold dove]

Unless they make a lore reason, I'd rather not go hundreds to thousands of years in the past during the tek-war, and transfer whatever is there to the ARK's.

'Buuuut' I'd be down if they use the Fallout-3 excuse of you taking control of a random solider within a simulation.

Possibly a part of the Genesis-Simulation that captured the events of the tek-war, and made them replayable for anyone to remember the historical event.

[low briar]

Ooooh, that'd be interesting. Crank that simulation up to 11, really see what it can do

[bold dove]

Could also act as a prequel for the Genesis-survivor, if you go with the headcanon of them being seperate from the ARK-survivor.
Allowing players to experience a more proper opening to the Genesis-series for new survivors.

[low briar]

'This is what it should have been' kinda thing, I like it

Do we know how long the Simulation has been running? Could be decades or thousands of years

[bold dove]

It's been up since the ship launched, if I recall

[low briar]

Yeah, but do we know how long ago that was? I'm no Lore Expert™️, but I don't recall a specified amount of time since launch

AU where we're the idiot survivor who tamed so many Dodos that it caused a glitch in the Simulation 😂

[brazen sparrow]

There's something in a note about cycles, but I don't remember how many or what it was a measure of (could've been cycles since they last took a dump, idk lol)

Cycles being a measurement of time

[bold dove]

Closest we have is either in the hundreds of years, or thousands.
Those two are our only knowledge between the tek-war and when the game is set. Since actually keeping track of years has probably been lost.

People on the ARK's/ship have most likely formed their own years.

[mental basin]

Generations.

[strange nymph]

Are there any speculations about ark 2 yet? Like if respawning is still gonna be canon? And if so, how?

[bold dove]

Hard to say with the lack of information we know.

[bold dove]

The escape-pods we see at the end of Gen2 could act as respawn points. But that's assuming the ship even had that in mind since respawning wasn't even originally part of the ARK's system. It was Helena who rewrote it to do so.
Not just that, but there's the issue of Vintiago shutting down the terminal in the first trailer. Making any chance for respawning (at least with that specific pod he was next to) impossible.

[strange nymph]

Yeah, i was thinking about the possibility of that too
Maybe the remaining of the genesis ship can reconstruct humans or something

[bold dove]

Well again, this is even if the ship has a respawn protocol.

[strange nymph]

Either way it will be interesting to see, as it was a pretty significant part of ark survival evolved with the whole "the one that never gives up" thing

[bold dove]

Yeah, I fucking hate that allies.
Seems like a few people also hate it to.

[strange nymph]

I actually think it's pretty brilliant
Maybe I'm so impressed because it's rare to see a game try to justify respawning, give a reason why it's possible
And of the few i know try this is by far still the best

(in my opinion)

[low briar]

Ark2 reveal trailer seemed to show Santiago disabling some sort of pod and I think I remember it saying Respawns Disabled for him. Maybe he just turned it off for himself?

[bold dove]

"The One Who Tries Again" is kind of degrading.
Sure, you can respawn.
But you have to realize the implications of this now.
What's more impressive for a protagonist? Being able to go through all of the horrors of the ARK's with one life alone, or go through them over and over again until we wing it?
Sure, there's trial and error from dying. But anyone can understand process of elimination if you die so many times.
Being able to learn with one life is much more impressive for characters, and needing to learn on the fly. Then learning from literal death experiences and being given infinite chances.

We didn't kill the King-Titan cause we where skilled.
We killed him, cause we threw ourselves at him over and over again until we got it right.

[low briar]

True Bob method

[brazen sparrow]

I would think the man would want a break, after all he's been through. Maybe he just doesn't want (practically) eternal life, though

[low briar]

Kinda what I was thinking. Theres been a handful of Santiagos (Santiagi?) already, maybe he finally figured he'd done enough

[strange nymph]

Yeah, i get that
But that kinda only works if there are a bunch of people, like with the story characters. In that situation, it's a good reasoning
But when one character has to complete everything the idea of having to try again and again until he gets it right is just so amazing to me.

It also represents that you don't become good without error. You have to fail to get forward

[bold dove]

Issue is. You literally 'do' have to be good without error for the ARK's.
That's their whole stick with the System forcing survivors to go into an infinite loop.

[strange nymph]

Oh, i just remembered what I wanted to ask
I heard somewhere that we are the first ones to die and remember how we died. So there were others that died for example on the island and got thrown back in, they just didn't remember it?

[low briar]

I don't think they were Respawned. If they died, they dead.

[bold dove]

No.
Once you die on the ARK's, that person is gone.
I believe they are kept in the System, akin to how Diana was able to be brought back.
But they would never be brought back again.

Also, whoever told you that forgot about Diana.

[low briar]

Though technically Diana was the first to come back

[bold dove]

Diana was the first character to come back and remember.

[low briar]

Though makes me wonder, did each Ark have a bank of every person? Like there could have been a Scorched Earth Helena if the Island's died - not with her memories or anything

[bold dove]

No, the System was a shared thing through all of the ARK's.

[low briar]

Oh so just an overall pool. Hmm

[bronze turtle]

what was the first map in the timeline created

[strange nymph]

Yeah, that's probably not the case but it sure does sound interesting

[bold dove]

Technically the Genesis-ship was formed before the ARK's.

But the actual DLC is set after the events of all of the other maps

[bronze turtle]

yea

[bold dove]

After that, the proto-ARK's/Sancturary where created afterwards.
Then the ARK's themselves.

[strange nymph]

I was thinking about something similar a while back
Could it be that every ark has some sort of "preferred time period"? Because it seems like every ark has people from different ages

Ofc there's mixing in there but the majority seems to be in a group

[low briar]

I thought the same as well, was it coincidence the Aberration Ark had a lot of Tek-age people, or was it part of the System?

[bold dove]

Yes, actually.
If you notice. The-Island has a lot of modern/tribal folks.
Scorched has a literal cowboy and Egyptian princess.
And pre-fucked Aberration had sci-fi people.
So while there are defiantly some mixing. There's also defiantly some themes tied to specific types of ARK's.

They have to appear realistic-ish afterall.
They're artificial environments. Gotta keep up that theme if it can.

[strange nymph]

It seemed off to me, like as the characters progressed through the arks they met more and more advanced people
But I'm glad to be right once

[bold dove]

That's just how we progress through the maps.
The notes kind of state that you can kind of pick what ARK you go to next.

[low briar]

Possible counterpoint - Different people just happened to survive better in environments simulating their home. Throw a Siberian into Scorched Earth's deserts and they're going to have a lot harder of a time than an Egyptian

[bold dove]

That's still going off of themes

[low briar]

The Island was relatively diverse since it was a pretty mild climate, if a bit on the jungley side

[bold dove]

Like I said, they're artificial environments.
Would be weird to have a desert outlaw on a tropical beach that they have no experience in.

[strange nymph]

That would be a reason why they do it
Like put someone from a jungle into the desert, they won't survive
So it would have been kinda useless to put people there that had absolutely no chance of survival

[low briar]

That just might have been the luck of the draw though

[bold dove]

Which is why it shared more modern/tribal humans.
Modern humans are used to forests and Islands, with going out on vacations.
Tribal humans are more used to forests since they grew up in there.

[strange nymph]

Be aware, bad joke
||Modern people watched enough how to survive tik-toks||

[bold dove]

Ah, and those people are who die first.

Real chads watch Naked-and-Afraid to understand what 'not' to do in those specific situations.
Watching others failures, so you can survive.

[low briar]

One survivor did exceptionally well because he watched an oddly relevant Animated Series where people from all across history were put on giant floating space stations and told to survive among dinosaurs and other creatures 😂

[bold dove]

Good question.
Is TAS canon in the ARK universe?

WAIT!!
That's what Dollie means that it's half-canon!

It's a tv-series in the universe.

[low briar]

Cracked the code!

[bold dove]

@snow seal Is this your plan Dollie?
Is TAS a tv-show within the ARKiverse?

[strange nymph]

Who knows, the element meteor might already be on it's way

[bold dove]

Nah, that's in around the 22nd to 23rd century.

[low briar]

Soon ™️

...ish

[bold dove]

Just like TAS release date

[mental basin]

Big wrong.

Late 23rd/Early 24th, we get dates in Gen2, memba?

[low briar]

Just ...
Let us have fun 😃

[mental basin]

Talking to Bootleg.

[mental basin]

Diana has dates too, but if we followed hers, Santiago would be over a century old.

[bronze turtle]

good show

[mental basin]

Held on by nothing but string and a wheelchair.

[bold dove]

If I did, then I wouldn't had accidently made misinformation.

[mental basin]

Misinformation spreader GRAHHH

Don't listen to Diana, she's gaslighting us

[bold dove]

Diana better then Santiago

[mental basin]

Act like Wildcard and pretend she doesn't exist

[bold dove]

Dollie acknowledged her, remember?

[mental basin]

My memory's been wi-

My advisors have informed me to leave chat.

[bold dove]

Advisors from Half-Life? 👀

[low briar]

Nah, that was earlier

[mental basin]

Freeeeemannnnn

[low briar]

I should actually play Half-Life at some point. I remember trying it once or twice, but it has not aged well

[bold dove]

Half-Life 1 hasn't, so play Black-Mesa.
Half-Life 2 aged just fine.

[ornate hull]

Have 7 baby megs and name each of em do

And say there names fast

[cyan quiver]

My pteranodon baljeet was killed by castoroides, before this encounter he killed an alpha t-Rex solo 3 days prior.

[errant stream]

So reading through this it seems we are split between arat prime or some other pre ark esc idea

I personally believe that with it being in the timeline set before extinction that it's not arat prime despite it making the most since so it might be some form of past event leading to extinction as a "epilog" of sorts granted how that would make since I don't know
3rd option it's extinction in abberations cut scene still covered in lava and even more unlivable also very unlikely

[bold dove]

Shi-Hai also stated awhile back that he's planning on one 'or' two DLC's for ASA.
So even if DLC-1 isn't Arat-Prime, that doesn't mean we wont get one later on

[lyric tendon]

my guess is the 2nd one is a mod map, like what they did to CI when Gen 2 is announced or LI and Fjord after Gen 2

[bold dove]

Don't think Shi-Hai would include a free map in the 'two DLC's'

This is the man that's pretty anti-consumer with his NFT bullshit.
Soooooo, I don't think he'd care to add fanmade 'free' maps.

[lyric tendon]

yet we get 1 paid and 1 free map per release (?) tho

[bold dove]

Sure. And I'd go with that if this came from literally anyone else other then the man that's about NFT's.

ASA is also planned to be developed alongside ARK-2.
If they want that longer then 2-3 years, then they'll have to pump out some DLC's to keep the cashflow coming, to be able to maintain two games at once.

[lyric tendon]

if i were greedy AF i would make the chinese gaming side pay instead of giving the game for free

[bold dove]

The.....game isn't free?

[lyric tendon]

it's free in their side

[bold dove]

ASA is free in China?

[lyric tendon]

i am talking about ARK 1

and my hypotethical "if i were that greedy"

[bold dove]

And I'm going with Shi-Hai's mindset, not 'yours.'

[lyric tendon]

the thing is ARK 1 is still free there, so....

[bold dove]

ASE is free in China?

[lyric tendon]

yes

[bold dove]

Quick Google search tells me they market things different in China, that's why it's free.

This is the same case with Minecraft in China.

They just litter it with microtransactions.

[gusty turret]

Minecraft is already littered with microtransactions wdym

Bedrock is at least

[glad crow]

What sort of microtransactions could they cram into ark? If they imitated mobile they'd have to change the game fundamentally so that seems unlikely.

[low briar]

I can possibly see dino recolors being a thing, or maybe cosmetic skins but even that can be a slippery slope to becoming unreasonable and cashgrabby *coughBlizzard*

[errant stream]

I dunno we had the abberation skins and the tek dino skins which were pretty cool so I could see alot of those skins if they wanted to being added

I remember when you could only get the tek dino skins from I think it was the ultimate survivor addition which was like 150 or 200$ and people were selling the skins

[lyric tendon]

I mean some are DLC release exclusive

I dunno, I can still get them through cheating or server admin tweaking anyways

Tbh I rather have full content DLCs than some cash grab FOMO addiction machine like Conan does (their recent battle pass sucked)

[gusty turret]

Conan is awesome as is though

You don't have to spend money to get anything awesome cuz the game is already awesome

And when you buy packs they give you a whole different building set, multiple armor sets, multiple weapons, animal reskins

They're generally pretty worth it

Im hoping ark 2 will be more like conan with a more diverse and intricate combat system than just bola shoot

[low briar]

Kinda hoping Ark2 adopts Conan's weapon movesets style of combat

[gusty turret]

They said souls-esque combat so🤞

[young marten]

They told in ARK: Survival Ascended will be new lore DLC. Any ideas?

I guess its gonna be Arat Prime cuz line of ARKs and Genesis Ship is over.

[bold dove]

Could also do with something with TAS

[young marten]

TAS...? Wut is that? (Im just Ukrainian, i get used to ukr termins)

[bold dove]

The-Animated-Series.
Acronym.

[young marten]

I guess TAS will be just the story of notes.

And in finale, Diana and May In went into Arat Prime.

[bold dove]

Mei*
But that's if we get that far into the series.

But TAS is confirmed to have new characters. So who knows what they'll do for a possible tie-in DLC.

[young marten]

Sooner or later.

[bold dove]

Not....how that works.

They need to even see if people will like the show for it to reach that far.

[young marten]

Im afraid they did not showed Rockwell in trailer.

[young marten]

Well. If it really just what happened in notes, some people will like this, some not.

[bold dove]

Have you not seen the trailers/information about it?

[valid gale]

god i love this chat

evening chaps

[bold dove]

It's differing off of the notes a bit.

[young marten]

In my country no one are interested in lore, so uh... i dont noticed nothing.

No friends to talk about it lol

[valid gale]

that a tripple negative?

[bold dove]

So you're saying not one person, in a whole country of millions of people, are interested in lore?
That's a pretty broad statement.

[valid gale]

oh no just a dobble negatie

[young marten]

Yeah...

[valid gale]

the dont conflicts with the nothing meansing you noticed somthing

but i get what your saying :)

[young marten]

Pffft, thats not what im saying. Just... all people playing ark here, are just playing. They are not interested in lore. Saying, "It was better". God... im praying ill find someone who knows lol.

[spice cipher]

If u or others aren’t interested in lore that’s on ur fault not the games. Honestly I think 99% of games have more backround no matter the type of game

[lyric tendon]

if a dev force you on a heavy lore than actually play the game, people will think it's a bad game and begging for a "skip button"

because you are playing as The Survivor, not Helena

[strange nymph]

Hey
The bosses were meant to be beaten, right? I mean when people designed the arks they intentionally made them to be beaten, right? But this doesn't really make sense to me. Why would you want people to travel between the arks?

[rain dock]

Because that's how the game is designed?

[strange nymph]

Yeah, i get that
I was wondering if there were any reason beyond the gameplay

[rain dock]

I mean, it keeps the experience from feeling to confined

[bold dove]

The point of the ARK's are to preserve life.
But their suto-goal is to train human survivors of the possible new environment of a healed Earth.
While the ARK's aren't 'meant' to be beaten, they still have a form of progression for anyone who does.

[gusty turret]

Im sad the raptor won

[lyric tendon]

Oviraptor

[gusty turret]

I wanted dreadnoghtus or however you spelled it

Im on the syntac train with that

[lyric tendon]

Sauropod

[gusty turret]

It would've been cool to replace the titanosaur spawn on rag with a different big sauropod

We need more sauropods

[lyric tendon]

We will get a TLC for Sauropods anyways once ASA is out

Nah

3 is enough

[gusty turret]

Nuhuh

[lyric tendon]

Yes

[gusty turret]

We have a ton of raptors

We don't need anymore

[bold dove]

We actually only have 4

[lyric tendon]

Utahraptor and Dein are the true raptors

Oviraptors are different

[gusty turret]

Archaeopteryx

[lyric tendon]

Fair

But still 3 raptors, for 3 sauropods

[gusty turret]

But we could phase out titanosaur and replace it with a cool one that isn't temporary

[lyric tendon]

Nah titanosaur is iconic for ARK

[gusty turret]

Not really

Its like never talked about

[lyric tendon]

No one knows Dreadnoughtis until Dinosaur Planet

[gusty turret]

Id even take a brachi

Instead of just a dumb brachi skin

[lyric tendon]

That is literally the dino that some documentary rip off from along with stegosand diplos

Do you remember that?

[gusty turret]

Replace some bronto spawns with brachi spawns

[lyric tendon]

Nah

[gusty turret]

Brachis are iconic

[lyric tendon]

Just have ARK Additions If you want them

[gusty turret]

Ark additions should just be base game

[lyric tendon]

Consoles have no excuse now that ASA is crossmod

Nah

[gusty turret]

Not considering the fact that Sony is real tough when it comes to mods

[lyric tendon]

I want Garuga do whatever they pleases without nurfing the mod

[gusty turret]

Sony is tough in general

I don't like Sony

[lyric tendon]

Well that is a Sony issue not a WC issue

[gusty turret]

So then consoles do still have an excuse 😭

[lyric tendon]

They don't, have you even read the crunch about Overwolf

Again Sony issue, no excuses

[gusty turret]

I do hope stuff like primal fear and dox is coming with crossmod although i doubt consoles could handle them

I stopped reading crunches a long time ago, after a few maps of it where they would go months without talking about the map and just being like "oh yeah evo event" i got kinda tired of it

Im getting a laptop anyways why am i complaining

I just confused myself

I momentarily forgor

[bold dove]

"I doubt consoles could handle them"
Bruh, they're good mods. But not 'that' fucking good. 💀

You'd need to do a lot more then add 50+ reskins of existing creatures to fuck over a console.

[gusty turret]

Am i thinking of different mods that have creatures that will just supernova for fun and annihilate anything remotely close

Dox would probably be fine but primal fear is not something i would be willing to gamble on

[rain dock]

Old consoles would probably crash from the particles, but new consoles with nanite going would be just fine

[gusty turret]

Im sad prim got abandoned

I hope with asa mods make up for it

Prim should've just been base game, more crops more foods more melee weapons and bow types

[rain dock]

Prim has basically been abandoned for years, now it'll be a mod that could be really good

[gusty turret]

Yeah i know it's still sad it lost support to begin with though

[low briar]

Relevant

[mental basin]

What were we even talking about then

What was your theory?

[low briar]

Scroll up like 5 messages

[mental basin]

Oh, you thought the endgoal was Homo Deus.

There's no 'theory' to be made. The endgoal was confirmed, and that's not it.

End of story, make another about something else, I guess?

'I theorize that the moon is made of cheese.'
'We went there, it's a giant rock.'
'It's just a theory.'
'??'

Oh, btw. @bold dove, you can take over from here. I gotta snooze.

Just play nice.

[bold dove]

Nah, I gotta bounce also.

[mental basin]

Damn.

I'll keep myself awake for one more response, then.

[low briar]

Current theory:
Arm Implant is somehow connected to a survivor's mind, and gives them the knowledge/guidance they need to build (at least to their time period) technology out of sticks and stones/other primitive resources

I find it very hard to believe the Tekkies on Aberration were able to make a Replicator and Tek Armor/weapons without some sort of guidance on material sciences. The astronomical odds that even a group of survivors had the collective knowledge to make circuits, Tek interfaces, and more is way too unbelieveable

[mental basin]

Holy paragraphapalooza

Alright let's see

[low briar]

Just trying to be thorough 😂

[bold dove]

They had Santiago.
The guy that invented 90% of tek-warfare stuff.
Think he'd know how to make a replicator.

[low briar]

Counterpoint - They'd need something to build that first Replicator, right? Where did they learn to make those materials like Polymer and Electronics and such?

[mental basin]

• No real proof against it

• Only proof for it is the 'Engrammic Matrix'

• They had Santiago.

[mental basin]

• Santiago.

You underestimate how much of a genius Santiago is.

He was cloned specifically to help with building the Genesis-Ship.

He was lead, iirc. Polymer and Electronics are Santiago's ABCs.

[low briar]

Apparently so, if this dude can apparently build microchips out of crushed up bugs and pearls

[mental basin]

That's Santiago for you.

He's the Dr. Stone of ARK.

Bootleg will get this one.

[bold dove]

Santiago I believe is confirmed by Mark to be basically Einstein levels of smart, if not smarter due to modern technology.

[bold dove]

AYE!!!

[mental basin]

This was never stated, but it should be obvious.

He's just a smart guy.

[bold dove]

Then I apologize for what I thought.

[low briar]

So, that'd be ... inhumanly smart

[mental basin]

Again, he, of all people, of all humans, SANTIAGO was cloned to help lead the Genesis-Project.

That should put it into perspective.

[bold dove]

He's also been cloned the most

[mental basin]

Yep.

Santiago is big-brained.

[bold dove]

So that alone probably makes him HIGH priority to keep him alive, for humanities future.

[mental basin]

Among other people, plants, animals etc, I suppose.

[bold dove]

Only flaws hes confirmed to have is being anti-social, and shit with weapons even though he makes them.

[low briar]

Alright, Santiago is smart dude - What about modern weapons on the Island?

[bold dove]

Engrams

Also the common sense of passing along information to others.

At primitive times like that, information alone can be traded.

[mental basin]

HLN-A kinda throws this around in Gen 1. So too does The One Who Waits. It also boils down to,"You a smart one."

Remember, we're all canonically, technically the chosen one.

It's... hard to explain.

[low briar]

Ok, so Engrams provide knowledge to build and use things that one person alone couldn't reasonably know - discounting the player because gameplay reasons

[bold dove]

Again, they're memories.

[low briar]

So that brings me to the overall theory - are the Engrams/Implated memories connected to the Arm Implant?

[mental basin]

I'm going to snooze. You guys seem like you got this.

Sayonara, and good night.

[bold dove]

If I where to shove my memories into you of me knowing how to make meals other then microwave shit, then you'd know how to do so.

[low briar]

Right, I get that part of it

But do we know the Engrams and Arm Implant aren't somehow connected?

[bold dove]

There's no connection in the lore anywhere between the two. So I'll say 'no.'

[bold dove]

Night

[low briar]

Well, thats why we're discussing a theory - the lore also doesn't specifically say theres no connection, so why do you think there can't be one?

[bold dove]

Cause nothing points towards one.
Can you find anything that does?

[low briar]

Ok, so it can neither be proven or disproven because it isn't mentioned

[bold dove]

Basically.
No connection, no mentions, nada.

[gusty turret]

So the tldr is Santiago is made of cheese but thats just a theory

[low briar]

I think there is a connection because the Implant is meant to track a survivor's progress. It interfaces with the Implanted Memories/Engrams to allow a survivor to use, possibly even build technologies they'd otherwise have no idea how to use (Mei and Tek - remember she did defeat a Boss, and Bosses unlock Tekgrams)

[gusty turret]

Mei didn't make any tek though

[low briar]

Not saying she did

[gusty turret]

She just used what Santiago and the rest of the tek tribe provided

In which she was trained and she was an expert warrior so learning a new fighting style would be extremely easy

[low briar]

Mei and 'magic Tek usage' was mentioned earlier in the discussion

[gusty turret]

I already said tldr so im just gonna jump over that and say she was trained😎

[low briar]

I think the reason she was able to learn it so well and quickly was due to the Tekgrams, tracked by her Arm Implant

hence, connection

[gusty turret]

"I don't think I really understood hard work until I met Mei.

Whether she's learning how to operate holographic controls or working on her aim, she basically tries as hard as she can all the time, and she hates asking for help. Instead, she'll just scrunch her eyebrows and glare at whatever she's working on until she can think of a solution. It's kind of adorable, to be honest.

The only time I think she takes it easy is when we're sparring. That really opened her up, by the way. She even gave me a callsign, Juzi, although she won't tell me what it means. I'd bet the answer on a match, but she'd kick my butt in a heartbeat if she got serious. Those muscles are cheat codes."

From Diana

Mei was quite literally just built different 😭

"Discretion is the key to the armor. When I started, I would leap further than I intended, turn too sharply or grip objects too tightly. Now I am in complete control. I could scale a mountain while carrying an egg and never break it, but also smash stone or fight a beast bare handed.

Once I got used to the armor, my experience as a warrior helped me learn quickly. I can already outpace Juzi in a race and beat her in the sparring ring. I try to go easy on her now. She helped me a lot so I do not wish to shame her.

I should call her by her proper name too, but Diana sounds too serious for a woman that laughs so much. Juzi fits her better. She doesn't mind it, but I don't think she knows I've named her after an orange."

We also can't forget she was with the tek tribe for what we can unambitiously assume is multiple years

As they had time to raise drakes when they stole the eggs

[lyric tendon]

Cue Helena crashing 5 floors high on a Tek Suit

[low briar]

Helena is also borderline comic relief

[gusty turret]

Diana also flew mach speed into the world border in a tek suit

Im still convinced tek suits go faster than the speed of sound and the initial boom is intended to be it breaking the sound barrier

I dunno if thats like agreed upon or disputed or what but

My thoughts

[low briar]

Probably pretty reasonable, speed of sound is around 343m/s if I remember my physics right

[gusty turret]

We don't address how light bends around it implying a near speed of light either

Diana and Mei are my favorite lesbians

They're cute together

The Subnautica below zero lesbians aren't bad but

Mei and Diana>

[swift gale]

Yes
Btw what would be the ship name for them?

[lyric tendon]

MeiAna

[swift gale]

Like Miana or somethin?

[gusty turret]

Deina?

[dry quiver]

Dinosaur on island and all roboty

[bronze turtle]

yeah why do tek Dino’s exist

Is there a lore reason

[bold dove]

I don't think a confirmed one. But one theory is that they where made to see if mechanical organisms could counter corruption.
Turns out, they could also get corrupted in their data.

[bronze turtle]

aight

[gusty turret]

Except for the enforcers and defense units which obviously excelled at keeping sanctuary defended for god knows how long

[bold dove]

Yes and no.

Cause while they did their jobs.
Their data also got corrupted due to aging, hints why they no longer listen to human commands anymore, and defense-units just kill on sight.

[gusty turret]

I feel like that was just lazy coding ngl

[bold dove]

They where in a hurry due to a mass-extinction event.
You think? 💀

[gusty turret]

Just copy pasting the one from the island overseer fight into Extinction

I'm talking about for Wildcard

[bold dove]

Oh, yeah.
Probably didn't want to make them tamable due to time.
But that's the canonical reason for enforcers and drones not being tamable in the wild.

[gusty turret]

Oh yeah i know but they still aren't kill on sight there's the parameters that have to be met for them to go kill mode

Which i think is holding a weapon or causing "property damage" harvesting?

Tbh if i was old and eepy i wouldn't wanna talk to Helena either

[bold dove]

Well, issue with robots in ARK is that they have intelligence larger then any robots we have currently.

Hell, they're not even 100% mechanical.
They're biomechanical, as seen with the enforcers having the metalic tendrils between their arms.

Cause the U.R.E had a thing for biomechanical technology.

That's even seen now with ASA's redesign of the supply-drops.

[gusty turret]

I find the design weird

But it makes sense

I see the "legs" as more like fins on a missile

Stabilizers, something along the lines of that

[bold dove]

The legs are supports

If you look at the casing around the legs, it's meant to go into the actual supply-drop as it has the same empty shape for the casing.
I'm assuming the supply-drops will drop with the legs within themselves, and as they're landing they'll unsheath their legs to land.

[gusty turret]

I can't wait for the alive supply drops mod

[bold dove]

Tamable supply-drops

But back on point, the supply-drops are more biomechanical due to how the U.R.E does their version of tek.
Which we saw all the way back in 2018 with the enforcers.

[gusty turret]

Yknow ngl, im thinking that making the farm the new dlc map would be really interesting

Or whatever the prototype ark was called

Something like that

Its like how Dr.Phil sends people to the ranch

[bold dove]

The-Farm is right.

[gusty turret]

Methinks that would be a good new story dlc

[bold dove]

In a writing perspective, Arat-Prime would objectivly be better as it would help fill the empty bridge between Extinction and Genesis-1.

[gusty turret]

Yes but The Farm would give more insight into the arks

Both would be very helpful for the story to plug in some gaps

Will either be the case?

Probably not!

[bright basalt]

Would a single punch from someone wearing tek armor be enough to cook a chicken

[bold dove]

It would help, sure. But technically unneeded right now.
Arat-Prime is kind of needed for people who don't want to get their lore from Twitter.

[bold dove]

Nah, you'd be more obliterating the chicken then cooking it.

Though, the jetpack would expell enough heat to be able to cook chicken.

[bright basalt]

How did the tek tribe even cook stuff

Did they have a tek grill?

[gusty turret]

Probably fire

Or anything heat related

[bold dove]

Tek-grill most likely

[gusty turret]

They may not have even cooked things

Do we even know what their diet was

Maybe they ate element

[bright basalt]

Probably Meat and mushrooms

[gusty turret]

I think that would scorch not cook

We need a confirmed tek suit flight speed

I wanna know where my guess is in relation to what it actually is

[bright basalt]

Atleast 2 mph

[gusty turret]

Speed of sound at minimum

[bright basalt]

Did the titans just decide to not destroy sanctuary ?

[gusty turret]

Sanctuary is in ruin they had no reason to

It probably would've been more effort than it was worth to destroy an empty overrun city full of annoying robots

It may also have something to do with the shield that can stop meteor showers

But who knows

[bright basalt]

Is the corruption like a hivemind or something?

[gusty turret]

Yes

[bright basalt]

Are the titans part of the hivemind?

[gusty turret]

Yes they're the "leaders"

Standard military hierarchy, king titan, regular titans are called "lieutenants" everything else would just be grunts

There used to be a lot more titans that weren't as big

Mei wiped those out

[bright basalt]

Does destroying the element nodes on them just cut them off from the hivemind?

[gusty turret]

Kind of, it destroys their connection to the king titan but they are beings of pure corruption and their connection to the hivemind is what keeps them alive so when we sever that thats why they die slowly

[bright basalt]

What version of the king titan do you think mei fought?

[gusty turret]

Alpha

Except way bigger and way stronger

With a lot more minions

[bright basalt]

Zamn

Mei is a far better fighter than I thought she was

[gusty turret]

Oh yeah absolutely

Shes a beast

[bright basalt]

She uses admin commands

[gusty turret]

You should read the last 10 extinction notes from Mei

That displays how absolutely insane she is

[bright basalt]

She's insane enough to KO tame a rock drake I don't think I need more displays of her might

[bronze turtle]

Real, Mei Yin so powerful she breaks the rules of Ark lmao

Btw, idk if anyone talked about this already but do you guys happen to know what hapenned to the moon ?

Why is it shattered to pieces ? Was it the element meteor that crashed there or something ?

[bold dove]

In-universe? We don't know, never explained.
Development? Some dev thought it looked cool, so they added it.

Doubt the meteor did that, as humanity would be fucked way sooner then fucking ourselves with Element.

The moon effects the tides, which effects wind, which effects cooling.
No waves causing cooling means we'd start to slowly cook, if not faster due to fossil-fuels.

[bronze turtle]

True

Very true.

Btw i just completed gen 2 and literally cried.

The ending was mad cool.

[bold dove]

What most likely happened in-universe, is the U.R.E had a base on there, and the Terrans nuked it.
Cause they bombed New-Zealand off of the map, I can see them doing the same with the moon.

[bronze turtle]

Thats a good theory.

Though, nukes that powerful ?

To actually shatter the moon ?

[bold dove]

A few Tsar Bomba's in the right place could shatter Earth.

[bronze turtle]

Real ?

Didnt know that.

Im just questioning the nukes cause it wasnt just some surface level explosion that hapenned there, the moon literally got half of it missing, some mad shit blew up there.

[gusty turret]

I was gonna say something then i remembered the extinction meteors are 1000% moon fragments

[bold dove]

Okay, Googling it now and I'm incorrect. It'd take millions of Tsar Bomba's to shatter the Earth.
But the moon is a different story, and would only need around 9,000-ish.

[gusty turret]

I think they probably used the moon for the ship and it shattered the moon on launch

How else do you construct a ship that big

[bold dove]

That's literally what Arat-Prime is for

[bronze turtle]

9k tsar bombs is a lot dawg.

[gusty turret]

Yeah but with how massive the ship is nowhere on Earth could've been enough for that

Either its horizontal and exits the atmosphere or its vertical and exits the atmosphere

[bold dove]

Even though Arat-Prime is literally known as the launch-site.

[bronze turtle]

Im also wondering, how on earth did they build the genesis ship...

[bold dove]

Also, not really.
U.S alone has a few million standard nukes.

[bronze turtle]

I thought it was one-Ark sized until ive seen that two rings were literally made out of dozens of kilometer long, the ship itself is prolly like 50km long if not longer. How the fuck would you build something like that.

[bold dove]

Sorry, not millions, but 31,255 in 1967.

[gusty turret]

You think its only 50km long?

[bronze turtle]

Brother, dozens of thouands is a very far stretch from millions

Plus, they are not as nearly as strong as Tsar Bomb.

[gusty turret]

They had tek nukes

Problem solved

[bronze turtle]

I believe the entire Earth's arsenal rn is not ever close to 9k tsar bombs.

[bronze turtle]

Real lmao

[bold dove]

Correct, but this was in the 60s, with the U.S's alone peak amount.
Now, imagine worldwide during the cold-war.

[bronze turtle]

It do be like that,

[bronze turtle]

Im pretty sure there were very few countries with nukes even then.

[gusty turret]

You're funny

[bronze turtle]

Us, Ussr. What else ?

Idk dude, im just guessing.

[gusty turret]

The USSR and USA outfitted every little country they could with nukes to stop each other

[bold dove]

China, India, Taiwan, Austrillia.

[gusty turret]

I believe Turkey was quite an issue because of that

[bronze turtle]

They still wouldnt have millions of nukes.

a few per country, maybe, but not any more than that.

[gusty turret]

I don't even know what we're talking about anymore tbh

[bronze turtle]

As of now, yes but are we talking cold war era or currently ?

[gusty turret]

Thats what im trying to figure out

[bronze turtle]

My point is that the entire earth's arsenal is not even close to the might of 9k tsar bombs.

[gusty turret]

Because ark takes place like hundreds of years in the future so im not sure why 30,000 nukes in one country in the 60s is relevant

[bold dove]

France, UK, and China during the cold-war

[bronze turtle]

And you said that it would take about 9k to shatter the moon.

So how would they get that many.

Thoug, tek bomb theory is still out there.

[bold dove]

Should've worded myself better and said 9k nuclear-warheads.

[gusty turret]

Because ark takes place hundreds of years in the future and they had tek bombs

[bold dove]

That's....confirmed

[gusty turret]

And the tsar bomba thing was just for frame of reference

[bronze turtle]

Fr ? Brothers didnt even have tanks but had nukes bruh 💀

[gusty turret]

Bro what

Who didn't have tanks in the cold war

[bronze turtle]

Tek bomb that blew up the moon ?

[gusty turret]

Tek bombs existence

[bronze turtle]

Oh wait naw, cold war

[bold dove]

Oh, thought you where talking about their existance.

[gusty turret]

Were you talking about the revolutionary war or something

[bronze turtle]

Sorry, i misunderstood on that one.

[gusty turret]

I know they're easy to get mixed up

[bronze turtle]

I mean that they would need a massive amount of explosives to destroy the moon, if your info is correct, it would take around 9k tsar bombs.