lore-nerdz

[gusty turret]

Me personally? Not a fan of gravity

Gravity doesn't exist in my household

[brazen sparrow]

It's explained as Element having cooled the Earth's core enough so as to slow the spin of the planet in lore

Because it seeped so deep into the planet and was stealing the geothermal energy

[gusty turret]

Thats a horrible explanation

What reheated the core?

[brazen sparrow]

The Reseed Protocol

[gusty turret]

H o w

[brazen sparrow]

That's the lore 🤷‍♂️

I think it's sufficient enough, but I'm also not a geologist

[gusty turret]

Wouldn't the reseed protocol have done a lot of damage with earthquakes too

[gusty turret]

I also don't understand how element cooled the core from all properties we have reported it would've just melted and mixed in with the core

Earth rotating clockwise is the result of a chain reaction that started when Earth's star formed as the result gas clouds collapsing. During the collapse of the gas, one direction was shorter and a disc formed. Due to the law of conservation of angular momentum, the disc gained an overall spin, which was passed to all the objects of notable mass within its solar system; these objects are commonly known as planets. As a result, all planets within a given solar system have the same spin as the star in it to start. That said, the axis of a planet may do a 180-degree flip on its axis at some point, and if this happens, like Venus, it would spin counter to its native spin; in fact, in the case of Earth, it appears given there appears to be evidence that it's has flipped in the past, that the Earth's axis has already flipped at least twice, since it's current back in sync with the Sun's spin.

I don't think the core cooling would have any effect on the Earth's rotations???

Idk im no astrophysicist or anything

"If it cooled down, the planet would grow cold and dead. Cooling also could cost us the magnetic shield around the planet created by heat from the core. This shield protects Earth from cosmic radiation."

I can see that with the negative effect you get while in the wasteland

But i see absolutely zero reason why the Earth would just stop spinning

[waxen flame]

magic

[brazen sparrow]

Because corrupted element, as we already stated

[rain dock]

The structure of the core very much affects earth's rotation

[bold dove]

Wait, but the sun would still change it's daycycle to a year, no?

[bold dove]

The core is literally what allows us to rotate.

[brazen sparrow]

I don't know what this means

Or rather what you mean by it, I guess

[bold dove]

Like sure, Earth itself can't rotate.
But it's still revolving around the sun, since that's the sun dragging the Earth closer.
So in like a 6-ish month time, would Earth not be on the opposite position of where the Sun is, and so facing the opposite direction of Earth.

[bold dove]

@brazen sparrow If this made more sense

[brazen sparrow]

Still confused by your wording lol

[bold dove]

Hang on, let me make something

@brazen sparrow So the middle is the Sun, and the blue balls are Earth.
Earth isn't rotating, but it's still moving.

Which means, if it's on the top the back of Earth has sun and the front doesn't (normal day stuff)
Buuuut, since it can't rotate, it requires the revolve around the whole Sun to have the opposite effect, of where the front gets the Sun, and the black get the void

[brazen sparrow]

No idea, sorry. But, if what you're trying to say is this, then I already explained it lol. Read my few scarce comments starting here

[bold dove]

So theoretically, Earth still has a daycycle.
It just takes a year for it to complete.

[bold dove]

👍

Wait, but wouldn't the Earth require rotating itself to stay in the same face towards the sun?

[brazen sparrow]

No, Earth has no day cycle. The element in the crust and such of the planet slowed the rotation down to the point where it was always rotating just enough that only one side ever faced the sun

[bold dove]

Okay, that makes more sense of the 'slight' rotation.

[brazen sparrow]

(The side with Extinction on it)

[bold dove]

Right

Cause I was thinking "if the rotation of Earth 100% stopped, then wouldn't it be impossible for the Earth to constantly face the Sun without turning?"

[brazen sparrow]

Which is why there's day/night music, there should be night time then, and there even is in the proto-Arks, but not in the rest of the map

Which I always thought was a cool feature

[bold dove]

Right.

Okay, that cleared up my confusion.
Earth is rotating 'juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust' enough to constantly face the Sun, but not enough to produce a night cycle.

[brazen sparrow]

Precisely. Anywho, I'm getting my ESO daily and goin to sleep now, g'night

[bold dove]

Night

[rain dock]

I mean, their description is that it's in a 1:1 tidal lock with the sun, so it's kind of like the moon rotating earth. Relative to earth the moon never rotates

[bold dove]

Right, but eventually the backside of the moon will be facing Earth due to it rotating around Earth, and not rotating itself.

[rain dock]

No, not unless it gets nearer or further from the earth than it is now

In either case, it doesn't make sense to thi k of something rotating in reference to itself

Only rotating in reference to something else

[bold dove]

How?
If you and me where looking at each other, and then I started to rotate to a complete 180% angle behind you while still looking in the same direction, you're going to see my back.

[rain dock]

That is assuming no rotation to some arbitrary coordinate system

[bold dove]

Simple words Raq

[rain dock]

If you face the same direction while going in a circle around me, then yeah at one point I would see your back. Relative to me you are rotating

However if you face me continuously, then relative to me you are not rotating

[bold dove]

Right, you'd see my back before I rotate back in front of you.

[rain dock]

Yeah, so to me you are rotating

[bold dove]

But that would still be spinning on an axis.

[rain dock]

It would only be in some external reference frame that you would not be rotating

[rain dock]

What axis?

Spinning on an axis only makes sense when it is spinning relative to something else

[bold dove]

To be able to face you constantly, would require me to physically move my body.
And so, I would either need to turn left or right to be facing you if I want to keep facing you.

[rain dock]

They earth relative to the sun spins, the earth relative to itself does not spin

[rain dock]

Well, that's where the analogy falls short lol. The moon does not have to turn, in fact it's only motion is falling towards the earth

[bold dove]

But Earth spins on an axis every day, so would it not be spinning to itself?

[rain dock]

Do you feel like you are spinning in space?

From earth it is space that appears to be spinning

While earth appears to be stationary

[bold dove]

Sometimes I feel like the buildings I'm in are physically moving at high speeds, but that's probably my brain being fucked as usual.

[bold dove]

Honest question.
I did not ask about what Earth thinks.

[rain dock]

It is only by the tidal forces and coriolis forces that we can tell thst the earth is spinning on its axis. And tides are due to the moon almost entirely

It depends entirely on the reference frame or coordinate system to determine what is spinning in space lol

Unironically it is that same concept that led Einstein to develop general relativity

[bold dove]

It's fucking 3AM in the goddamn morning, I'm not in the mood for this shit.
-The Earth is rotating on an axis, I do not give a shit about 'weell technically it isn't since we don't feel it rotating, so to Earth it is space that rotates 🤓 ' what is relative to space is more important then what is relative on Earth in the sense of reality.
(they also said this back in like the 15-hundreds that Earth revolves around everything since it appears like that on Earth, but someone suggested otherwise and got rocked for it. But oh wait, turns out yeah, the Earth is rotating around the Sun, shocking.)
-I have no idea where this whole conversation originally started.
-I'm going to bed, fuck this shit.

[rain dock]

I mean, it is rotating, in reference to anything not on the surface of the planet

But in order to talk about motion, you always have to have a reference point at which you judge motion from

That's kind of the whole import of newton's first law

[mental basin]

Both of you are nerds.

Mmmm Mei return for ARK II

[lyric tendon]

this is the lore nerdz channel, is it not?

[gusty turret]

Hehehe you said blue balls

[quick wind]

Isn't Mei like mega dead

[mental basin]

No.

Neither is Diana.

[quick wind]

I forgor 💀

[gusty turret]

Technically-

Theres zero chance they actually survived the hundreds of years that is evident by structural decay

[lyric tendon]

Gen 2 chronicles Santiago said they got wiped so....

[gusty turret]

We know they survive up to the point of helping Helena uplink to the genesis ship but its uncertain after that

I think if they were alive she would've woken them up to combat Rockwell on the ship instead of us

Or at least woken them up to help us

[lyric tendon]

not as we used to know... sadly

[mental basin]

??

[mental basin]

HLN-A says there's no old world humans 'on Earth'.

[mental basin]

Yeah. They're alive, they beamed Helena into Genesis.

We dunno what happens after that, but we do know that Rockwell went through the uplink AFTER them.

[lyric tendon]

unless HD helena managed to grab their implants and make a copy of the "recent" Mei and Diana

it's less likely it's gonna be the same as on the ARKs

[mental basin]

Safe to say they probably followed Helena through the uplink.

[mental basin]

Literally what are you talking about

They are alive
Why would they give us a different pair

That makes absolutely zero sense

[lyric tendon]

doubt it... that rockwell issue would've been dealt with or have been witnessed by Nida or Gabriel

[mental basin]

????????????????????

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about

I don't think you're picking up what I'm putting down

Helena went in
Then the duo
Then Cockwall

The reason we don't hear from em is because they're supposed to be a surprise in ARK II

[lyric tendon]

see here

[mental basin]

They don't need a copy??

They're literally alive and THERE at the Uplink

Why wouldn't they just walk thru

[bold dove]

Actually, I thought of a counter point to this

[lyric tendon]

they need to be in data form to transfer to the ship, is it not?

[bold dove]

If they uploaded themselves onto the ship along with Helena, then they could be preserved within the simulation-pods

[mental basin]

No...

[bold dove]

No

[mental basin]

Nobody said that, that's just a crackpot theory that a lot of people buy.

[bold dove]

Transfering is a fancy way of saying teleportation.

[mental basin]

Well not that either
It's a little bit of both, kinda

[lyric tendon]

trailer with the activated implant tho

[mental basin]

?

That doesn't tell us anything, we've seen that affect being used a billion times in ARK

[lyric tendon]

didn't they tease about the whole "revive old heroes" or somethin?

[mental basin]

No no no, they just said that legendary heroes would be returning

Hero(es)

Cough Mei cough Diana

Nudge nudge choke cough

[bold dove]

's'

Emphasis on the 's'

[lyric tendon]

but and BUT

since we have a multiverse santiago aka vin diesel

who knows Mei and Diana in Gen Ship dont even knew each other

[bold dove]

Having an 's' at the end of a word usually is a English plural for 'more then one'

[bold dove]

Again, they could've got preserved inside the simulation.

If you're in a funny liquid tube for god knows how long, and you can't age in it and such, then you can last hundreds of years within it and be fine.

[lyric tendon]

ye yet mei and diana are still uncorrupted fleshbags that is still within the human lifespan tho

unlike "the immortal gods"

[bold dove]

And?

[lyric tendon]

and?

[bold dove]

Corrupted survivors iirr are derived from corrupted avatars.
Which Rockwell can only make corrupted avatars once you've died within the simulation once he took control.

Mei certainly wouldn't let that happen.

[lyric tendon]

in Gen Sim yes

but we are talking about Ext to Gen

[bold dove]

Yep.

They got to Arat-Prime, why couldn't they had got onto the ship also?

[gusty turret]

Maybe they didn't want to

They made it clear they were gonna fight titans as long as they could

What if they just headed out into the wastes again and kept fighting

[brazen sparrow]

Y'all are all delusional, as davaydg said originally, we don't know what happened. The popular THEORY (emphasis on theory) is that they've been transferred in their current iteration (i.e. the Mei and Diana we know, the "file in use" so to speak) to the Gen ship, and will be seen in Ark 2. anything more than that is just wild speculation and completely unfounded

[gusty turret]

Imagine they weren't even talking about Mei and Diana

I think that'd actually be really funny

[gusty turret]

That is part of arguing over the story behind a dinosaur game, being delusional

[worthy atlas]

Ok so
If creatures mutated due to the radiation on abberation
What were the Reapers and Nameless before? Or were they created by the overseer?

[arctic bison]

they were created by the overseer, and they were around during the time of the notes.

[bold dove]

The ARK made them

[broken star]

Reapers at least seem to be a natural defense system

Aberration's explorer notes are full of "We poked deep into the heart of the station and then it got mad and sent reapers at us"

Nameless seem in some way tied to reapers- If it's because they are indeed mutated humans commanding reapers or they're some sort of lesser defense system or whatever, they're equally unnatural

I think it's reasonable to assume that Aberration was some sort of normal Island-like Ark before the future boys and girls blew it up, and a lot of its weirdness is because life kind of retreated into exposed innards to hide away from the sun

And the deeper you go the more you're exposed to the inner workings of an Ark that survivors are not supposed to see

[gusty turret]

Im still going with nameless just being chupacabras

Occams razor

[wooden meadow]

How did rockwell get off aberration and in to the gen ship and is corrupt master controller Rockwell

[gusty turret]

After we defeat the King Titan, Helena initiates the reseed protocol bringing all the Arks back to Earth, Aberration has a damaged stabilizer so instead of landing normally it enters a freefall down to Earth and explodes all over the place, Rockwell somehow manages to crawl out of the crash and makes it to the ships launch site Arat Prime, Helena, Mei, and Diana left the uplink open for some reason so Rockwell was able to access it and beam onto the ship, and yes and no? I mean i guess its technically Rockwell but its also just kinda an AI he left guarding there? I guess that question just kinda depends how you look at it

[wooden meadow]

How'd he survive the crash

[gusty turret]

A m a z i n g q u e s t i o n

[brazen sparrow]

The Corrupted Master Controller (CMC for short) is Rockwell, it's his avatar

[bold dove]

If you have fought him before, he more or less gives it away that he's Rockwell.

[brazen sparrow]

Probably a combination of the Ark's remaining power reconstituting him after we defeat him and the fact that he's a giant creature that is more than likely larger than we see in the boss fight

[bold dove]

Or maybe Rockwell possessing the Master-Controller?
Since it is the 'Corrupted' Master-Controller?

[brazen sparrow]

He shut down the original MC, and is corrupted by element, hence CMC

[bold dove]

Right.

People always ask 'wonder what the other master AI's where?'
I wonder what the actual test was going to originally be with the uncorrupted Master-Controller.
Cause I doubt the avatars would be there since they're from corrupted survivors that've died in the simulation.

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, I bet it was relatively similar, but maybe not as cut and dry as it appears today. It probably would've been some sort of trials like the three little pre-fights, minus the HLN-A hacking via code keys

[gusty turret]

I think its more of an AI that he can control, as he does when fighting us, i don't see why he would waste his time keeping an eye on the simulation the entire time when he could just link in when he needs to

[brazen sparrow]

Well, no duh

When he's doing things other than monitoring the sim, he's got cameras and things watching us

[broken star]

He survived the crash the same way he survived 18 megalosauruses chewing on his heart

He's a big living vaguely man-shaped hunk of heavily mutated flesh, not a human

[broken star]

Probably just another fight against a big AI of some kind

All the big "tests" in the Arks/simulations tended to end in "Can the survivor kill a giant monster?"

[gusty turret]

Not true

He survived the damage to his heart because the ark was keeping him alive as an overseer

After the Ark disintegrates into the Earth its hard saying why he survives

Realistically the answer is because wildcard needed a segway to Vin diesel land

[brazen sparrow]

What's to say that the Ark's power source was damaged enough so as to not be able to revive him?

[gusty turret]

I mean i think if i was a big hunk of metal in a destabilized fall to Earth i would probably just entirely delete myself on impact and not have anything to be able to do anything

And like you already know 2/3 stabilizers=spinny so Rockwell was basically in a gerbil's worst nightmare

[brazen sparrow]

Not necessarily, we don't know at all how the Arks are meant to come back to Earth

[bold dove]

Don't we see this in the ending of Extinction, with them softly coming down to Earth?

[brazen sparrow]

You know what I meant

Smartass

[bold dove]

How can one have a smart ass?
The ass doesn't have an intelligence.

[mental basin]

Me personally

Mine knows how to shit

I'd say that's pretty smart

[gusty turret]

Do it fart

[bold dove]

It's pretty dumb if it can only talk shit

[mental basin]

Funni

[brazen sparrow]

[golden junco]

why does genesis colony ship look like halo?

[bold dove]

Cause, funny

[lyric tendon]

y e s

[jolly crescent]

Isn't the moon destroyed according to ark lore because in the ascending animation you can see clumps of stone flying around that could be the moon as I don't see it otherwise and asteroids would have crashed down onto earth

[carmine cedar]

Huh?

[brazen sparrow]

This sentence is hell on my eyes, boss

[mental basin]

There's no lore behind it at all.

The devs just thought it looked cool.

[jolly crescent]

Ok

[lament raft]

kinda screws over the oceans once those get going again

unless they build a new moon or something

?

because i am?

[eager raft]

brother if youre gonna be lgbtphobic here then get out

[lament raft]

why the 3rd degree in here?

[arctic bison]

average ark chatter be like: everythingphobic

[lament raft]

spinophobic

[arctic bison]

i'm arthrophobic tbh

[mental basin]

Someone just grab Dodo Mail.

[arctic bison]

and bring him to Dodo Jail

[mental basin]

Bars.

[arctic bison]

🎤

[lament raft]

[eager raft]

cool

[loud rivet]

On extinction you can see it destroyed

[crimson elk]

[gusty turret]

Average ark players finding out theres a bunch of gay people in lore:😱😱😱

I mean only 4 technically but-

[rigid grove]

[gusty turret]

My question is should we count Diana one and Diana two as two different people or not

Like technically shes the same person but shes in a different body so?

[swift gale]

2 in 1 /j

[jolly crescent]

I think one because then the player is technically many people too, depending on how many times you died and Helena talks to you as one person

In the island cutscenes at least

[fallow sapphire]

i mean would you count the characters pre-arks as the same person as their ark form?

[gusty turret]

I mean it's the same identity? But i don't think you could really consider it the same person

[rain dock]

I mean, it all depends on what makes a person a person. Is it the software or the hardware lol

Ark kind of takes the stance that it is the software

Although hlna is an exception to that rule

[gusty turret]

But thats why it couldn't be the software, HLNA has the mind and personality of Helena but she isn't Helena

[rain dock]

It doesn't make that distinction as much with Diana and Santiago though

In fact, I don't think it even makes that distinction with Diana at all, so it can't be the hardware

[gusty turret]

So then what makes a person a person

[rain dock]

I mean, I don't have a good definition to it

Pretty much any definition I have seen regarding what a person is has pretty suspiciously large gaps in logic that leave loopholes for things that aren't people to be considered people

It's easier to define what people are not

[gusty turret]

What are people not

[rain dock]

Hlna is not people

[gusty turret]

Says who?

I wouldn't consider her a not people either

She has free feelings and a personality? And she thinks freely as far as we can tell

[rain dock]

She is a robot

[gusty turret]

But thats only in physical form

[rain dock]

So by that argument you are saying that a person is the software.

[gusty turret]

Not entirely

I never said HLNA was Helena i just said she is what i would consider a person

[rain dock]

Why?

[gusty turret]

Because just because you have the same memories as someone it doesn't make you the same person

[rain dock]

Okay, but that doesn't explain why you consider hlna a person

A sentient being yes, but that's a totally different thing

[gusty turret]

Because she can think and feel

Why don't you consider her a person?

[rain dock]

A person is a human, at least that is the stance I am taking here. Hlna is pretty definitively not human

[gusty turret]

So foreign life couldn't be considered people if it doesn't have the same exact features as us?

[lyric tendon]

HLNA literally considered herself as a hologram

[rain dock]

No. I think other terminology would need to be created or applied

[lyric tendon]

Sapient

[rain dock]

As of right now, person is synonymous with human being. An ai or alien life form, however intelligent does not fall in that classification

[gusty turret]

Raq is the first one gonna be killed by the alien invaders/ai overlords

[rain dock]

I mean, I might write the ai overlords lol

[lyric tendon]

Hell aliens may not considered humanity as "their person"

[rain dock]

I mean, if you found a bunch of mice on Mars, even if they built cute little houses, it would be hard to convince you they were people

[lyric tendon]

Don't worry the artists are taking the front lines against the AI overlords

[rain dock]

Well, I would say context clues and in general being an expert does that, but okay

[gusty turret]

I mean if they were smart enough to build civilization then id say welcome in little mice people

[rain dock]

And if they barely didn't?

Chimpanzees have a civilization, primitive but still

[gusty turret]

But just because its the same mind copy pasted into another body I don't think its the same person, i think it being different flesh also changes things

[rain dock]

Same with dolphins, and ants if you push the boundary of the word

[gusty turret]

Then we consider them primitive life, like early forms of humans

[rain dock]

I mean, it works in a story, and until it has been done irl it's all speculation

Ark makes the implicit assumption that the difference between humans and ai is the software.

It might not be that simple

[gusty turret]

I don't think we should ever try and clone people It's a good law- the only time we need to worry about it is when Elon Musk wants to upload himself to a computer and we have to be like no no baby Musk

[rain dock]

Now you are bringing ethics into it lol

[gusty turret]

It is also an ethical issue

I do not consider digging up dead people in order to copy paste them into new flesh a good thing

[rain dock]

I don't disagree

[gusty turret]

My minds kinda like everywhere right now i keep getting arkd into different topics by myself

[rain dock]

I am pretty certain that if you were to exactly clone a person, including brain structure that it would not be a person. Nor do I think that a human mind can be transfered into a machine. But I think we do need to understand the principles of it

[gusty turret]

That brings into question the existence of the soul also- like are you able to clone the supposed "soul" theres like literally no way to make that person come out the same way they were before

[rain dock]

It's totally different understanding nuclii of atoms, and making a nuclear bomb.

[rain dock]

As of right now this is unprovable speculation

[gusty turret]

But thats getting into the logistics of it and has nothing to do with what makes a person a person

[rain dock]

I mean, until it is

[lyric tendon]

You guys are getting way too deep

[rain dock]

That's where I like to swim though

[lyric tendon]

All for a sentient Tek doughnut

[gusty turret]

Ask your mom about that

[lyric tendon]

Can you pay my allowance then? I am broke

[gusty turret]

No ask Raq

[rain dock]

I mean, we are on the verge of stuff like that being real. Why isn't everyone more concerned about the implications of it lol

[lyric tendon]

Because the Turing Test exists

[gusty turret]

Im gonna clone Ronald Reagan

And im gonna brainwash him into thinking he's Jesus Christ because he was reborn and send him out to make people follow a false messiah

[rain dock]

And? That only determines indistinguishability. If you look at a robot that is obviously a robot then it's already distinguishable, but that doesn't mean that it's not an issue

Neither does it actually work to determine intelligence

[gusty turret]

Why does what it look like matters

Im not exactly familiar with the Turing test so im a little unsure how things correlate

[rain dock]

The Turing test is largely accepted as a test of ai intelligence

But it doesn't actually do that

It only determines indistinguishability from a humans answers to questions.

There are already ai that have passed the turing test

The first time it happened was in 2014, and then again last December with chatgpt

[brazen sparrow]

It's pretty obviously the "software", as you put it, because the human genome has been broken down into code by the time Ark takes place. The first (and easiest) example of this is in The Island's ascension cutscene, where you are uploaded and transferred to Scorched. If that's not evidence enough, I don't know what is 🤷‍♂️

[quaint marsh]

"It's a funny dinosaur game with a cool story"

[brazen sparrow]

Then there's the fact that the man-machine interfacing dilemma is in place even before that cutscene, in the form of the Overseer, although that is technically not Homo Sapiens but Homo Deus, so that could be argued in the case of HLN-A as well.

But, I think she still passes as human since, as was eluded to, if Elon Musk were to transfer himself into a robot, that'd be "him" still. But even then, there's the question of how many changes are necessary before you're not considered human any more.

I personally think that once there's no distinguishable difference/feature between the original form/being, then that is when they cease to be "human" as we know it, but idk, maybe I'm just weird lol

[rain dock]

It's a fine line that all depends on a definition that is very hard to make because the science isn't really there to classify it very well

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, but just like you said, simply because it doesn't exist yet doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned with these kinds of things and the implications therein

I think about the sense of self quite often, but not because I want to be put into a robot or anything, just because of the way it may effect others in the future when these things become a reality

INB4 we don't even get to that stage, because some wack shit like a secret underworld of vampires and werewolves and other mystical creatures becomes known to us or something 🤣

[rain dock]

I don't think we need mystical creatures to get stuff like that lol, people are crazy

[brazen sparrow]

Do you know what "INB4" means?

[royal fulcrum]

Inter nasal bacterium 4

[gusty turret]

Okay but if you upload a computers data to a flash drive then plug it into another computer is it now the samw computer as the other one or is it just a different one with the same "memories" as the other

[brazen sparrow]

If you upload an entire computer's software to another, down-to-the-t exactly the same computer, and it runs like the last computer did, is it the same computer? In my book, yes. But the Theseus' Ship-like analogy does bring up some questions, sadly ones that only you can answer, and only for yourself 😂

Now, when the recipient computer becomes different, that's a whole other issue. But as stated (imo) I think if the theoretical new computer is still recognizably and inimitably running the old software (memories, beliefs, etc) then yes, it is still the same.

For instance, if you get a prosthesis, you're still you, right? And if that prosthesis happens to be your entire physical shell, is that still you? This is obviously not possible yet, but theoretically speaking

Just something to ponder, and again I can only pose the questions to you and tell you my own personal responses to them

[gusty turret]

I was gonna bring up the ship of Theseus but for it to fit it would be like "so you moved the crew to an entirely different ship, is it now the same as the other ship?"

[gusty turret]

The difference in my mind being the ship of Theseus debate involves a slow integration rather than just porting data into a vessel

[gusty turret]

I would consider the prosthesis closer to the ship of Theseus than the Ark situation so i would say it is still me

If my mind just instantly got ported into a robot suit i would probably not think i was myself anymore

[brazen sparrow]

And that's a widely shared view on it, to be sure

[rain dock]

I mean, the issue isn't a ship of theseus debate in my books. It's more of if a humans memories, personality and everything can by copy pasted into a machine, and infinitely replicated, then what is it that makes them unique.

[brazen sparrow]

See, that's different from what I was kind of proposing, I'm not sure that copying the person will be possible (like it may be in Ark), at least not before just plain transference is. Straight copying a person may never be possible, at least without extremely advanced cloning, in addition to the man-machine interfaces that would be required to pull off such a feat.

[rain dock]

If a person is clonable, and that clone retains the same memories, (granted this assumes that a scan is capable of replicating the entire brain structure), is it the memories that make the person? Or is it the neuron structure of memories?

[brazen sparrow]

I'm thinking more along the lines of like Chappie or maybe Self/less or even Altered Carbon, where the body created is a blank slate, or at the very most is tailor made

The brain would have to be mapped beforehand and possibly sculpted or even transferred directly between bodies, perhaps

In the most rudimentary of cases that I can think of

[rain dock]

I mean, sure. I don't typically like science fiction movies, because they typically explore the topic at the most trivial and naive levels

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, a lot of previously "sci-fi" concepts become a reality every now and then. It's usually a good place to look to see a potentiality for the future imo. Hell, things like Star Trek and such somewhat predicted cell phones, in a way. Electric cars and robots were also originally sci-fi concepts that people were like "oh no sweetie, there could never be a robot in real life" until there was

[rain dock]

I mean, sure? But it wasn't the scifi that made it happen lol

It's pretty easy to learn the basics of a topic and then "predict" what will happen with it. But for every 1 right prediction there are 100 wrong ones. It doesn't make the people who wrote the right one geniuses

[brazen sparrow]

I'd argue it could have been a driving force in garnering interest on the subject, which is how things are funded and made real in the first place. If no one wanted to clone things, we wouldn't know how to clone things 🤷‍♂️

If no one wanted to travel faster than a horse drawn carriage, we would still be using them, etc

[rain dock]

It inspires little kids, and might give a new perspective to a scientist, or a renewed vigor towards a particular problem

How things are funded isn't due to people watching science fiction though, it's more due to people watching science or business fact

[brazen sparrow]

Exactly, like how the next generation of world leaders are probably watching Cocomelon or some shit lol

[brazen sparrow]

I'd beg to differ. I would never have been interested in and support the advancement of a lot of things if I hadn't grown up watching things like Back to the Future, Alien, Star Wars, etc

Someone is out there making lightsabers, for god's sakes lol

And railguns

[rain dock]

I mean, you don't majorly financially support the advancement of things do you? Unless I completely read the room wrong lol

[brazen sparrow]

I have paid money to the people making lightsabers, as do a lot of other people

Was considering buying a railgun recently too

[rain dock]

I mean, people making lightsabers aren't really at the pinnacle of scientific advancement though

[brazen sparrow]

Well, no duh, it's some dudes on Youtube with less than state level funding, what do you expect? 😂

If they were to reach that point though, I'd say we'd have lightsabers as we know them in maybe 20, 30 years' time, easily

[rain dock]

A sword made out of light that cuts everything. Yeah I highly doubt it.

A metal sword that heats up very hot and can cut things, sute

[brazen sparrow]

They are already using beams, not heated up metal, look it up

[bold dove]

Light can become very fucking hot.

[brazen sparrow]

It's very advanced for some guys that started out making cool fan shit in their garage for views 😂

[bold dove]

There's a thing called 'plasma lighters' that use the heat from the LED light sources to light things.

[rain dock]

Yes, bit not contained in a single line in a sword fashion

[bold dove]

They're not really swords, more like a pole fashion

[rain dock]

There are laser cutters in manufacturing already lol

[brazen sparrow]

The channel is question is called "The Hacksmith" I'm pretty sure

[bold dove]

Lightsabers aren't actually sword shaped.
They're more like very odd looking poles.

[brazen sparrow]

They've done more than just lightsabers too

Or rather, proto-sabers

Since they currently require a pack

(Like in the deep Star Wars lore)

[bold dove]

Looking at the video, and it's kind of hilarious.
They got more lightdaggers then lightsabers.

[rain dock]

I may case, lightsabers are just a fancy fan fic toy. They would not be as useful as something like a cellphone

[bold dove]

Hasn't most of that shit became non-canon since Disney took over?

Yeah, just Googled it.
The old 'Legends' canon is its own separate canon now.

[brazen sparrow]

Either way, my point stands, sci-fi in no small way has dictated at least a bit of technological advancement

[rain dock]

Because of a series of lucky guesses, or an educated guess because it was already headed that way

[brazen sparrow]

Or rather, just simply "make-believe" if the term sci-fi isn't so desirable to you 😂

[brazen sparrow]

Both? Idk, I haven't invented anything I can deem based upon something I saw in a movie (yet) so I wouldn't know personally

[rancid grove]

Is the Araneomorphus like.. the descendant of the Brood Mother?

Cause when it says Last Remnant of an Ancient Power.... Thats what it makes me think of

[arctic bison]

Within the Araneo dossier it reveals theres is a connection between the Broodmother and Araneo as the Broodmother is the mother of the Araneo.

I don't know where to start with Araneomorphus amalgotantibus. It has so many of the nightmare inducing traits of spiders from among many family and genus. It fires webbing like a bola spider, it spits venom like a lynx spider. It has a poisonous bite like a myriad of spiders, and can see in the dark by sensing vibrations. And to top it off, Araneomorphus is larger than an adult human! If that wasn't enough, I'm convinced that some of the caves on the island have actually been dug by Araneomorphus, but this worries me. Either Araneomorphus is a colony-spider (like ants), or there is a much larger Araneomorphus somewhere on the island.

[broken star]

I mean, there's a more direct connection when the broodmother poops out hundreds of araneos in the course of the fight

[gusty turret]

But does that inply that the broodmother could potentially leave her arena?

If her minions could dig out and dig caves then

Theoretically she could eventually breach her arena

Or there is a n o t h e r broodmother s o m e w h e r e

[low briar]

All those eggs in the Broodmother arena wern't for show ... 👀

[brazen sparrow]

The original plan was for the Broodmother (and the other bosses, to be fair) to be a world boss, so that's why the dossier is like that

But I always thought it was cool that the implication was that the Broodmother was commanded by the Ark to dig the caves

[lament raft]

i wish there were more world bosses

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah 😔

[quaint marsh]

Depends, I choose to ignore that. Legends is still canon in my book. I don't mean to be just another "I hate the sequels!" kind of person, but I prefer what legends did after the battle of Endor than what we got in the movies, therefore I don't usually refer to the sequels as canon at all

[bold dove]

Okay, while I respect your opinions. Disney doesn't.

It is factually non-canon, sadly

[quaint marsh]

Yes! I remember writing a story way back when with this in mind, she was to be the main danger for a tribe trying to excavate obsidian and crystal from a nearby cave. Never finished it though, and well, that isn't really canon anymore

[quaint marsh]

Unfortunately so, but since my Star Wars lore knowledge is pretty limited anyway, and my love for the franchise fading drastically, I'm just gonna live in my own bubble with the little remains of passion I have left

[broken star]

There's no real reason that the ark bosses couldn't possibly escape unless they're just somehow held on entirely different stations than the Ark itself

Broodmother's cave is full of cocooned dinosaurs and I'm not sure all of them came from failed boss fight attempts

[lament raft]

unless they were just generated for ambience

the Overseer AI would likely account for psychological attacks on anyone fighting the bosses

[low briar]

That's what happens to all the creatures that fall through the mesh are recycled by the Overseer. Food for the Guardians/Fodder for the caves

[broken star]

Well like, another thing is that we don't know how the guardians are created. They could just be made from whole cloth by the system, sure... But Rockwell becomes the guardian of Aberration, which means it's possible

Broodmother could have started as a normal spider that wandered into the wrong place, got exposed to element either intentionally or accidentally and became a massive monster that the Overseer was like "Aight, that one" to

Like the phazon guardians in metroid prime 3 lol

That's all pure speculation but. Yeah my point is just it's very, very open ended

[rain dock]

I mean, Rockwell became the overseer because he took over the system.

[lyric tendon]

doesnt explains the dragon and the manticore as dragons doesnt exist in the island and lions in SE

and NO thylas are not lions

[brazen sparrow]

The Broodmother and such other guardians are all hand made, and they're in their own arenas and not fabricated until the player summons them from their respective terminals (at least, in canon. Any ob can summon any boss in multiplayer for gameplay reasons)

[bold dove]

Same with drops for gameplay reasons, don't forget that.

[brazen sparrow]

True

[gusty turret]

I mean to be fair drops also likely aren't canon so

[brazen sparrow]

Uhhhhhh

Are you just like trolling or

[gusty turret]

No?

We have absolutely zero reason to believe drops are canon

They aren't once mentioned in any notes that im aware of

[fallow sapphire]

I feel drops are kinda hard to say if it is canon or not. Cause it’s in the overseer platform, but if people mention the obelisks you would think they would mention the beams of light that carry tools, weapons, and armor in them

[brazen sparrow]

They are 100% canon, the fact that they weren't there when the note survivors were means very little. The note survivors couldn't respawn, could they?

Helena mentions helping us via the drops iirc

[gusty turret]

Yeah but adding drops to the overseer platform would involve literally reconstructing the entire platform to put the drop area in

I don't think Helena reconstructed the overseer arenas to put drop chutes in

[brazen sparrow]

You don't know that, it could be a protocol or feature that was never finished because the Arks had to emergency launch or something

[gusty turret]

If you can find that let me know because I don't recall it

[brazen sparrow]

I think it was in the Extinction Chronicles notes, I'm busy atm or I would go look

[gusty turret]

Rockwell could've also been the inventor of NFTs hypotheticals mean little to nothing

[brazen sparrow]

As does the idea that we know everything there is to know about the Overseer platform

[gusty turret]

Well we can fantasize about what could be all we want but it all means literally nothing because it's more likely than not that we've been given everything we're gonna get about the overseer platforms

[brazen sparrow]

Well, with that attitude, sure

Don't forget, there may be AMAs or other such things in the future (like the HLN-A appearance at PAX) where we get our long running questions answered

[gusty turret]

oh boy I can't wait for them to make up an obscure answer on the spot

[fallow sapphire]

In general i could accept drops being canon, though I can’t remember any notes mentioning it. But what about Aberration? Overseer platform is kinda blown to smithereens

[gusty turret]

Cave drops have literally no explanation even if regular drops do

I didn't see anything in the extinction chronicles about drops

I could've missed something though

[fading bough]

maybe

[broken star]

/late drops are absolutely canon

like, you walk through a setpiece in the overseer fight explictly designed to show you how they work

The Arks want people fighting and struggling to survive so much that they'll wipe the board when things get too stable- Little goodies out in the wild full of valuable water jar BPs is a perfect way to get survivors to kill each other in the wild and provide another destabilizing element

[gusty turret]

What we see means literally nothing

We have to rely on what we're told

They probably just put the drop room because it looked cool, the same reason they exploded the moon

Im curious about the state of the actual borders of the Arks tbh, are they actually force fields or would you canonically be able to pass through them like you can on Extinction?

I assume they're solid because of what happened to Diana but like do the domes just drop after reseeding or what?

I feel like this is answered in the extinction cutscene but i haven't watched that in ages so

Also imo the forest wyverns were a crappy addition to extinction, they have no lore reason to be there, if they were gonna include them it should've been explained as Helena using the obelisk to summon them in to aid of instead of just "here they are"

And if that was the case every other titan also should've had something that came along with it to assist you

In the extinction chronicles Helena says shes gonna help us as much as she can along the way but she really just.... Doesn't

She did the mega mek and respawning and in my mind the forest wyverns, like..... Wow thanks lady

Hundreds of years of formulating codes across all the arks and you couldn't do anything besides giving us a few extra lifes

[carmine cedar]

So your existence is a lie? Who do you see when you look in the mirror

[carmine cedar]

Wow…so ungrateful, you’re literally being allowed to live AGAIN, after dying…

Try fighting Alpha KT without a Mega Mek, even capped Gigas have trouble

[carmine cedar]

Sometimes you must think of business also Wyverns are a fan favourite

[bold dove]

Nah, that's cringe

[rain dock]

Wyverns are cringe

[bold dove]

You're cringe

[rain dock]

I mean, yeah

[warped oar]

Why is there a lore

[lament raft]

because there is lore

[bold dove]

Why not?

[merry spindle]

because there is explorer notes and STORY maps

[quaint marsh]

Mute this channel
Go play the Island
Find as many explorer notes as you can
Finish the map
Play the rest of the story maps in correct order
Come back here

[warped oar]

I did

[warped oar]

I have 1200 hours

[warped oar]

I’m just asking why did this game have to become lore based

[merry spindle]

it always has been

[warped oar]

I know

But why did it have to be a lore based game

[quaint marsh]

The lore is one of the best parts of it lol

[merry spindle]

how do you think i know?!

[warped oar]

U mean spending 500 hours just finding all explore notes

[quaint marsh]

And it's not really a lore based game, it just has some for those who look for it

[warped oar]

Bests part is raiding

[merry spindle]

go look up ark survival storied on yt and watch em.

[quaint marsh]

Go to #pvp-discussion lol

[merry spindle]

he said ONE of the best parts

[warped oar]

Still with the word BEST

[merry spindle]

yeah

why cant it be one of the best

[warped oar]

Because

[merry spindle]

because what?

[warped oar]

Because air

Understand?

[merry spindle]

air is not even in ark.

[warped oar]

Oxygen

[merry spindle]

yeah...but you rarely have to worry about it

[warped oar]

Unless you build in a underwater cave?

[merry spindle]

scuba, diplocalus.

[warped oar]

Diplo slow scuba works

Only if you have sarco tame

[merry spindle]

ichys can work

[warped oar]

But u need a land base and then underwater if your gonna get scuba

So best option is getting a sarco and just going for it

[merry spindle]

yeah. so make it near water...

[warped oar]

Yep

[merry spindle]

or use ocean platforms

[warped oar]

A

[warped oar]

Why hasn’t ark added babies

Like making babies

[merry spindle]

how am i supposed to know?

[warped oar]

Your a lore nerd?

[merry spindle]

im not

[warped oar]

Lore nerds know everything

[merry spindle]

i just play pvp and sh

and come here cause im bored

[warped oar]

How much players is one server for u

Like playing it

[merry spindle]

70+ ppl

[warped oar]

Br-

[warped oar]

Okay great sir

[merry spindle]

chaos is fun.

[warped oar]

Explain how you survive and don’t get raided first day

[merry spindle]

i find some hidden mf place thats like a shack or some sh

or i be nomadic and raid ppl

[warped oar]

0-0

[warped oar]

Exactly what I do

[warped oar]

What do u use to raid early game

[merry spindle]

chalicos are useful but beer is annoying so i'll use anything that can soak dmg and then use carnos or some sh to come behind as if im in a tribe but alone i'll use grenades and i'll just blow shit up

[warped oar]

I always do the last one (grenades)

[merry spindle]

yep

[warped oar]

It’s very easy

[brazen sparrow]

How is this at all lore related?

[merry spindle]

grenades = fun but we are in lore chat so.

[merry spindle]

i tried my best...

[warped oar]

It’s lore related because ark is lore and anything you talk about ark is lore because ark is lore

Understood?

[merry spindle]

#pvp-discussion

[warped oar]

A

[merry spindle]

B

[lament raft]

in lore news

[quaint marsh]

[gusty turret]

Surprisingly like every game in existence has lore to it

You jumped from one to one million real quick, I'm talking about a video game not my physical being, but quite generally i do base it off of what my brain tells me and not what i see in the mirror?

Ooops i forgot to reply

[gusty turret]

J e s u s that was a jump

[quaint marsh]

Lol

But they make a point, the forest wyverns were pretty cool ;)

[brazen sparrow]

Now those I could be convinced are non-canon, literally useless and have no explanation whatsoever

Sure, they look neat, but when I read "Forest Wyverns" in the creature page on the wiki, I thought we got a new type of wyvern, not... literal garbage, lol

[quaint marsh]

epic embed fail

[brazen sparrow]

👀

[slender hedge]

What if ark was truly the friends we made along the way?

[bold dove]

This.....I guess isn't too far off?

Helena made 'friends' with everyone she came across. (besides Rockwell and Nerva)
Mei found love within Diana.
Rockwell found love within Element.
Sooooooooooo?!?

[glad crow]

Is possessing people through an alien substance a form of friendship?

[bold dove]

Never confirmed if Element manipulated Rockwell, or if that was all of his own doing.

Most likely the latter, since man was crazy during The-Island.

[glad crow]

I was more referring to the corrupted avatars in genesis one, are they Rockwell's friends? Sure they don't have free will but is that necessary?

[bold dove]

Liiiiike.
You don't need free will to be considered friends.

[rain dock]

That's like saying chatgpt is your friend. I mean sure you could call it that, but it's just sad and depressing

[bold dove]

Oh defiantly.
But it isn't wrong

[rain dock]

Definitely * 🤪

[bold dove]

I will slap you

[rain dock]

🫲😌🤌

Don't ask. I don't know what that is

[bronze turtle]

sorry if this is an often asked question but what caused the crater on extinction? is it simply where an ark was lifted up or did some meteor hit?

or a result of the war?

[brazen sparrow]

Would you like it spoiled, or to know how to find out?

[bronze turtle]

my guess is looking for a bunch of explorer notes, if u know which number it is ill go find it but if not just lmk pls

[brazen sparrow]

It's not from a note, you find out in the ending cutscene

Aka, beat King Titan on any difficulty

[bronze turtle]

oh that, ||you see the ark land in it but you still see the crater before the cutscene so im a bit confused||

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, that's kinda a dead giveaway, lol

||If hole is there for Ark to fill, then Ark must be from hole, to put it simply||

[bronze turtle]

ah that makes sense, ty. thats what i thought originally but wanted to make sure

[rain dock]

I don't know that that is canon

[brazen sparrow]

What? Lol, I'm actually curious as to how that isn't canon somehow

(It is, but clue me in anyways)

[rain dock]

I don't think the arks were made out of craters

[brazen sparrow]

The Arks are chunks of Earth, they left craters that you can see in the Extinction cutscene pretty clearly

Not to mention the obvious ||The Island cameo|| in the end there

[bold dove]

They're chunks of Earth

[gusty turret]

You're a chunk of Earth

[valid gale]

so let me see if i have this correct

helena and a load of people form points of time though out humean history

woke up on the island with perma death

they then beat all the island bosses

and asended to SE

where they did the same thing

assending to Aberaion

rockwelll lost his marbles and became an element monster

aberation is the way it is becuase of the obilisks breaks

breaking. they defeated rockwell (dident kill him), and assended to earth

where they did battle with the titans

killing most of them, and helena made it so we coudl respaqn

[lyric tendon]

Except the Manticore is already dead, free access for everyone

[lyric tendon]

Before even Rockwell became the element tentacle monster

[valid gale]

respawn

[gusty turret]

No Raia took them to the fight and helped them kill it with wyverns

[valid gale]

they coudlent kill the king tital but gave it one hell of an atmep

[lyric tendon]

Raia never mentioned she wield a weapon after death of John

nor stated she killed it with her wyverns, she would've told Helena that she did if that was the case

Also the Axe is Timur's weapon

[valid gale]

to the point its skill scared

some how

helena assended beyond being human

i think it was somthing in a cave if i rmeber correctly

[valid gale]

yep

then we come aloong

beat the island then SE get to Abseration where we nearly kill rockwell

we then go to earth kill the titans, have a chat with helna, and then we load our selves onto the ship

for genisis, we get trapde in a simulation which we escape, before getting to the ship propper

where we kill rockwell in an amazing way

and we land on a new planet with all the animals like an ark,

and ark 2 begins

[brazen sparrow]

You more or less have the gist, yeah

[valid gale]

that about right? i know im glosing over a lot of details

[brazen sparrow]

Pretty much, lots of details missing but you got the important stuff 👍

[valid gale]

I like the sotry

not a massive fan of the geneis bit

but it is what it is

to come to think we got this from a dinosor game :)

[brazen sparrow]

It's a pretty nice story, all things considered

And out of most other survival games, let alone ones like this, easily the best story

[valid gale]

oh yes defo

i think hte ony outher survival game ive played

with a story was the forest

[gusty turret]

My mistake i haven't read them in a while and i misinterpreted what happened in Helena's last few notes of scorched, i thought they had killed it and got more element there and that was the artifact needed to get off the ark, i may have also missed the last couple of notes the first time through

[gusty turret]

I think they could have pretty easily if it didn't flee as soon as they struck it once

I've still never checked if the "scar" that gets mentioned in the notes actually appears on the king titans chest or not

I dunno why i put scar in quotation marks it quite literally is a scar

Anyways

[gusty turret]

Okay but like why did the guardians respawn for us but not them

Canonically i see no reason why we should have to fight any guardians or the overseers

[bold dove]

They did respawn for them?
The hell you mean?

[valid gale]

Prob the same reason the island ones respawn

The idea of the arks were to train people and like netural selection them to be ready to fight the titans

It’s no good if only one lot of people can pass

Is it’s

[bold dove]

Though the standards of that kept getting higher, to the point of the ARK's having basically an unrealistic expectation for the Survivors

[valid gale]

Rember aberration broke

So your talking. About the manticore?

[lament raft]

it was less unrealistic expectation, more 'get off your asses and do survivor shit'

[bold dove]

No, I mean the ARK's themselves.
If I recall right, Marc stated something akin to "without the portal on Aberration, the survivors would go into basically an infinite loop between all of the ARK's, since their systems are so old that their malfunctioning, and their standards of what a Ultimate-Survivor is, is far beyond what a normal human can do."

[lament raft]

ah

[gusty turret]

But they didn't have to fight it to ascend off scorched?

[bold dove]

Cause Rockwell already was in the Manticore arena, possibly giving him passage.

[gusty turret]

Extinction chronicles gives an in game explanation to that so you don't have to reference it as just a Marc said thing

[bold dove]

I forgor

[gusty turret]

👽

[bold dove]

But yeah.
Assuming the 'key' rule still applies to Scorched, I assume Rockwell stole the key they got after killing the Manticore and used it to open up the tek-cave

[hard jackal]

I've played like 4 survival sandbox games, and only ARK is the one that made me cry a lake at the end of it all, never did I know that 2-3 years of following an amazing story to it's conclusion could hit so hard at the end, I do wonder if at one point the mentioned element world war that killed the planet- is going to have a visual appearance behind it in the future 🤔

[gusty turret]

Everything the System does is in service to its ultimate objective. The tests that aren’t tests. The hard resets it performs when it believes its subjects have grown stagnant or unruly. The new, increasingly fantastic creatures that it introduces to its ecosystems. Yes, even those pudgy, glowing lizard-dogs. Look, they try their best, okay?

The problem is that the System’s purpose is not wholly static. The goalposts have moved. The bar has been raised, and now it is entirely out of the System’s reach.

As its purpose grows more unachievable and its errors pile up, the System grows more desperate. Its actions more erratic. In its death throes, these islands in the sky will become pits of madness. The chaos lurking in those cavernous depths will be the rule, not the exception.

You must fix it before it reaches that point. By then, it will be too late.

Thats ??? Note 11 from scorched

[runic sedge]

Sure

In like 5 min

[gusty turret]

What

[gusty turret]

Mei's would be the giga

Diana or Santiago would be the mek

Probably Santiago since he like designed the mega mek or whatever

I don't hate the Rockwell idea but it would need to be gen 2 Rockwell probably since he doesn't make any reapers until then, his units could be like the noglin, shadowmane, corrupted survivor, summoner, and the r reaper

I like how gigas in lore are such big drama queens

Like the one Mei tamed stubbed its toe and raged instantly

Why Mei ever wanted to tame that is beyond me

[brazen sparrow]

So lost here, did someone like delete all their messages?

[lyric tendon]

It's the davay head canon thread

[lament raft]

someone posted asking about an rts version of ark they wanted to make, was in the wrong room so got deleted

[brazen sparrow]

Ah, ok

[valid gale]

thats a note?

man i need to read thoses things thats grea

also when did we get the opeing cutseans and vouced notes i booted ark up for the first time in mouths a few weeks back and got a suprise?

[lament raft]

they're new

i forget exactly when they added them in

[upbeat edge]

Big dino why elze

[lament raft]

it wasted the new legion army

[valid gale]

what did?

[lyric tendon]

because big lizard go rawr

plus this is before "metas" exist

[lament raft]

the giga that mei tamed

[gusty turret]

It also wasted Mei's own army

[gusty turret]

Yeah i forgot my schizophrenia medication

[finite moss]

Correct me if I’m wrong this is all a theory but I believe that after extinction when the arks are coming home the genesis spaceship was sent off to test the survivors in a simulation awaiting the cleansing of earth which in this case is extinction but rockwell takes it over and all this is backed up when hlna says that the ship is going through space searching for a habitable place to live and from this I have deduced 2 possible conclusions the first one being that at the end of gen 2. When Santiago gets beamed down the planet he goes to is actually future extinction after the arks cleansed it leaving behind bits of debris from the old age a bit like in horizon zero dawn or two that the debris found in the ark 2 trailer is from the ship crashing but I believe the first option to be the more likely and cooler one

Holy moly that was annoying to type on phone

[brazen sparrow]

Have you beaten Genesis Part 2? You probably should, as you're on the right track (almost, in some ways.) Also, the Genesis ship has been in space since before the Arks launched, we got beamed there via a superluminal link (light speed wireless cross-galaxy internets, essentially) in between Extinction and Gen 1

[sharp peak]

Is not only in lore, in the past taking enough fall damage can enrage your giga ingame too

[mental basin]

That's what happened to Mei-Yin's.

It tripped, fell down a hill and turned.

[glad crow]

What are the physical properties of the three gems that make them so useful, and how do they interact with element?

[mental basin]

There's nothing to really say about them.

They aren't particularly important nor special.

And there's nothing to say they'd have any special reaction to Element.

[glad crow]

They are needed to create element on aberration, and they mention "unique" properties in the description.

Is that all we know or is there more?

[mental basin]

There's nothing more that we know.

[lyric tendon]

it's a game mechanic thing

[mental basin]

Yeah.

[lyric tendon]

if it's nothing in the notes then its just headcanon

[mental basin]

Not necessarily.

But I agree that this could EITHER just be a game mechanic, or just unexplained.

And... again, unimportant.

[bold dove]

The lore of ARK as a whole is a blend between notes and in-game information.

[brazen sparrow]

The gems and their usefulness in certain tek and other whimsical items always made me think that maybe they were compounds, that at one point were found in the naturally occurring element but had been separated somehow, and we were just putting them back together and/or using them in conjunction with whole element to amplify certain special effects in the items crafted. But I do very much think that it's just gameplay as well, because the tek tribe almost never mention the charge stations used in it's manufacture

[bold dove]

Now, if it isn't explored at all, either in-game or in the notes. 'Theeen' I'd say it's a headcanon

ARK has like.....three canon's now.
There's the in-game canon, which is the definitive shit.
There's the note canon, which consists of a few liberty changes by the artists. (or in Extinction's case, a almost totally different version of the map as a whole)
There now there's the Animate-Series canon.

[brazen sparrow]

The tek tribe does craft element using the ore, so it's fully canon that you can craft element on Aberration. But the processes involving the gems is entirely not spoken upon iirc, so it's just a SpOoKy MyStErY

[lyric tendon]

but they dont mentioned the gems and the process of it

[bold dove]

I don't think gems are even mentioned in the notes, if I recall?

[lyric tendon]

nope

[bold dove]

Which doesn't mean they don't exist

[brazen sparrow]

That's... literally what I said? Lmao

[lyric tendon]

not even rockwell's

and Rockwell is a chemist that is invloved with said Tek Tribe

[bold dove]

Just means they weren't important enough to be written.

[bold dove]

Which I'm agreeing with.

[bold dove]

Chemist I don't think have anything to do with gems

[brazen sparrow]

I'd imagine it was just the usual day to day for them, why would they write about it tbh

[bold dove]

That'd be a Petrologist if I recall.

[brazen sparrow]

They only really mention going out to get the ore iirc

And dying like a bunch of redshirts lol

[lyric tendon]

he would be writing all of those "details" down since you know... element/Edmundium

but realistically that would reach beyond the 30 "page" limit

[bold dove]

Also Bruise, with your reaction to my post above, I say there's 'three canon's' cause Extinction's notes derail heavily of what we experience in-game.
Corruption is also drawn differently then they appear in-game, in Helena's dossier, they look more sickly with tumors growing on their exterior, then them being decomposed.

[brazen sparrow]

But he never went with them to make solid element at a charge station, as far as we know, so he wouldn't know the process either

[bold dove]

Rockwell did the smarter move and just got pure-Element from a river.

Why craft it if you can scoop it?

[brazen sparrow]

I know, and I reacted as such because I disagree

[bold dove]

Disagree with the three-canon's, the differences, or the post as a whole?

[brazen sparrow]

Whole thing pretty much

[lyric tendon]

neither does Diana, she would've note about those charge stations

[bold dove]

Fair enough

[vital plume]

Did we ever got what Rockwell was fully capable off at the end I feel like there was so much more he could potentially do yet we stopped him dead in his tracks

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, he was getting to the point where he was making his own lifeforms, soooo

I don't really know where you're supposed to go from there 😅

[vital plume]

idk terraforming or creating his own titans?

[brazen sparrow]

I suppose, taking over a planet and turning it into a hive world would probably be next I guess

Then, perhaps mastering his craft and inventing organic spaceships, like the Flood or Prethoryn Scourge

Or the Zerg, for those who play Starcraft

[vital plume]

I think he was already doing that in gen 2 though

[brazen sparrow]

Not quite, becoming one with a ship to use it's systems/methods of travel and inventing bioengineering living ships capable of stellar travel on their own are very different things, at least in my book

It's like the difference between the tek skiff and the astrocetus, one is just a finely made machine flying around out in space, and the other is a literal goddamn whale in outer space that can live in the vacuum of said space unaided

[gusty turret]

Are we gonna talk about how the environments we find them in couldn't be considered a vacuum because there's still sound?

Also if we were able to somehow magically produce a basically unlimited amount of oxygen could we unvaccum space

[brazen sparrow]

As a wise man once said, "You're headed the right way for a smacked bottom."

[gusty turret]

Thats not a no

Like why not just pressurize space

[vital plume]

I think its because its a contained space the world borders might be more than just borders out there

[valid gale]

Hi sorry what are the three canons?

[bold dove]

@valid gale

[valid gale]

Thanks

Sorry I’m a bit confused

How that means there are three canons

I may be missing something obvious

[fallow sapphire]

There are canon differences in each form, meaning in their own respect they are kinda separate canon

[valid gale]

Ah sorry no

I was in fact missing somthing

My apology’s

Firstly is the animated series canon?

I dident think It was

Also I’m a bit confused about the discrepancy in the notes from the game it’s self?

I’ve not yet read all the extionon notes

[gusty turret]

It's its own canon

Not canon to the story but its basically an alternate universe if you wanna look at it that way i suppose

[valid gale]

The notes or the show?

I feel like your talking about the show just want to be sure :)

[gusty turret]

The show

[valid gale]

Yes thanks

Man I expect this much conflicting info from.scp not ark

So just so I get this right the guy in ark 2

Is the Same guy who killed Rockwell

Well I mean Helena killed him but you know what I mean?

[bold dove]

Helena never killed him

[bold dove]

Helena helped Mei attack Rockwell, but it was Mei that got the final blow to make the floor fall in from himself. (which he obviously survives)
No, Santiago is not the player/the person who kills Rockwell. That's 'The-Survivor'

[finite moss]

It’s funny how it took all these years to have a semi completed lore

Story*

The veggies pic was my old discord pfp

[gusty turret]

I mean stories usually do take a while to form and write out

[bold dove]

Welcome to literally every fucking franchise ever that has more then one installment.

[valid gale]

I mean the robot thing I just can’t rember it’s name sorry

[bold dove]

HLN-A?

[valid gale]

Yes

[bold dove]

She didn't kill him either. @valid gale

[valid gale]

No but she

Detached the ring dident she and drove the thing

I forget did it fly into the planet or the star?

Or was it just space?

[gusty turret]

W h a t

Technically he killed himself because the ship imploded, there was no driving into a planet or star involved

Where Rockwell had integrated with the ship and we were fighting him he knew he was losing so he decided to do what he thought would destroy everything because he didn't know we could detach the Eden ring so he just collapsed the ship and it exploded

[bold dove]

We don't know, but yes. She did deatach it.

But you did say 'kill'

[valid gale]

kill detach

close enouhgt :)

loved the if im going down im taking the ship with me bit from rockwell

[gusty turret]

Some words of wisdom from me, imploding a ship on an artificial sun is never a good idea

[valid gale]

Hey if you have to do it to kill a ni god

Then it may be worth it

[lyric tendon]

the gas planet killed rockwell

[bold dove]

The explosion did

[valid gale]

if we find out that rockwell survived that

woudl you be supirsed and would you mind?

[bold dove]

He didn't

[valid gale]

how cna we be sure?

[bold dove]

He was in the middle of a fucking artificial star going off.
He's not alive.

He's vaporized.

[valid gale]

im not saying hes alice im saying ther is a chance

[bold dove]

There's literally 0% chance

[valid gale]

the man survived aberation getting killed by the chacter

then survived desent to earth

[bold dove]

Oh my god, not this shit again

He never died.

[valid gale]

yes i know

we just beat him up a bit

[bold dove]

On Aberration, he doesn't die from the Survivor.

Then why did you say 'kill?'

[valid gale]

sorry i exagerated

propuly shouldent do that in a chat full of people who are well lore nerds

:)

[bold dove]

Probably shouldn't do that when talking in text.
Just makes shit confusing in general

[valid gale]

true

is that a big problem though people thinking he dies in aberation?

[bold dove]

Yes

They bring that up as an excuse of why he could be in ARK-2

[valid gale]

just becuase he can create life does not make him god

[bold dove]

Well.....it kind of does.

[valid gale]

it would be extramly unlikly

[bold dove]

God's don't 'have' to be immortal.

Look at the Greek gods

[valid gale]

huh i need to reread the defontion of god

[valid gale]

ya no your right coem to think of it

greek and norse gods totaly not imortal

i mean ragnarock proved as much for the norse gods

[bold dove]

There's no 'real' definitive definition of a god.
But loosely, it either means 'the' Christian god.
Or "a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity."

Which, he does fall under that second one

Being able to create life and being worshipped, is arguably a god.

[valid gale]

so im a bit rusty on my genisis lore

achuly frist been meaning to aks

who built the conony ship and why?

[bold dove]

Exactly.
And the Survivor pulled a Ragnarök on Rockwell.

[valid gale]

because the arks seem like a pritty solid idea

[bold dove]

Terran-Federation

Okay, let me give you a quick summary.

[valid gale]

beyond hurilng him into a black hole i think its the most sure fire way they could have killed him

[valid gale]

if you dont mind id really apreat eit

[bold dove]

Genesis-ship was made first by the Terran-Federation.
The ARK's where made after, from the URE. (United Republican's of Earth)
The Genesis-ship was intended to find a new habitable world for Earth-life. While the ARK's where made as a plan-B to stay behind, and see if Earth was able to be saved.

[valid gale]

oh so the arks were the plan B

thats neat i was under the impretion it was the outher way around

[bold dove]

Okay, so let me break down 'why' he's dead.
A: he got face-blasted by a 1,000Wot lazer for like a solid 10-seconds straight. (heavily damaged)
Man was in the middle of where the explosion (basically Tsar-Bomba sized)
'IF' he didn't die from that, then he would now be in the vacuum of space.
And IF IF he didn't die from that either, now he's being pulled in by the gravity of the Gas-Giant, now infinitely floating and being crushed into a new type of meaty-metal within the planet.

Tl;DR

Rockwell is big dead

[valid gale]

ok

somthing i was wounding

is was there elemend alreayd on the ship or did rockwell have to llike reinvent element?

[bold dove]

It runs on Element

[valid gale]

wait so

they watched as earth got completly shreaked by element

[bold dove]

Stryders where made to remove Element and shit it out

[bold dove]

Yep.

I know what you're about to say

[valid gale]

and disided ah yes lets make the thing that is ferying us to new fresh un fucked up lands

[bold dove]

And 'yes'
They did use the thing that destroyed the planet

[valid gale]

run on the very thing that cased the near extionion of out speaices and cassed this trip in the first place

man tera was dumb

[bold dove]

To be fair though, after some thinking.
How else are you going to go light-speed without tek-based technology?

[bold dove]

Bad news for the ARK's also

Remember Aberration?

[valid gale]

why did aberation fail

[bold dove]

The Element in the Radiation zone didn't just come out of nowhere.

[valid gale]

i can never rember

[bold dove]

Diana nuked the Overseer

[valid gale]

i do wounder if we diged deep enouigh og the outher two maps if we would find element in the same way

like obvs we cant in game but in univserse

[sharp peak]

because they didnt know the full dangers of what happened if element spread out of control and corrupted living things

[valid gale]

whos diana?

[bold dove]

You....you do know what Tek is made out of, right?

[valid gale]

and why did they nuke the obverser?

[valid gale]

so they lanched the ship before the titans?

became a thing?

[bold dove]

That, and you can't make lightspeed ships with modern technology.

[sharp peak]

before the wars that caused the element to spread, they were using it with no ill effects

[bold dove]

TL;DR, Diana was a 24th century tek-fighter jet pilot.
She woke up on pre-destroyed Aberration, and after some stuff understood they where prisoners.
So Diana and Santiago made a bomb to send to the Overseer, and destroy it. Hoping to escape from this Island.
Turns out, the Island is miles above the Earth, and is a space-station. So they kind of fucked up

[bold dove]

Yep

There's a lot of theories on Corruption, but one of the leading ones (besides the one that it's just flat out evil) is that since Element is a highly adaptive substance, it adapted to the war to such a extreme extent that it became 'too' good at being a killing machine.

[valid gale]

element is sentiant?

[bold dove]

It's a hivemind

[valid gale]

god dam

[bold dove]

Alien

[valid gale]

how did they make this stuff

[bold dove]

They didn't.
Came from a meteor.

[valid gale]

where is this in the lore i feel like ive discorverd a hole in my kologe the size of the forests sink hole

[bold dove]

The-One-Who-Waits notes on Extinction.

She explains quite a few loose ends.

[valid gale]

thanks i got to read that stuff

going to have to get there the hard way thouhg

[bold dove]

We don't know the true origins of Element, if it's actually evil, or the limits of what Element can do.

[valid gale]

just started a island playthougrh so thats the island SE aberstion then finaly extioonion

[sharp peak]

ark wiki gg have the notes

[bold dove]

Or, or, or

Watch NeddytheNoodle's Survival-Stories series. That's a in-game recreation of The-Island through Aberration notes.

You could also just go into a single-player, use a command to unlock all of the notes, and listen to them. (since they're voiced now)

[valid gale]

thanks i may do that

[valid gale]

i love that

i found a rockwell note not thinking anything of it

and was super suprised when it started plauing a voive

then finding out it was david tennt was justt a dream

[bold dove]

The command is "GiveAllExplorerNotes"
Note, it'll freeze your game for probably like a minute or two.

[valid gale]

big fan

do poeple stil have to hvae beaten a boss to use the custom maps?

i know there was a point in time you had too have done it wonce on one chacter

i just used a comand but it was werid

[bold dove]

Love him as mutated Rockwell, but I kind of wished they had better directing with him reading the notes.
Sometime it doesn't feel dramatic enough, or insane enough for Rockwell when he reads off the notes

[valid gale]

ya i get what youo mean

[bold dove]

Nah, that was removed like 6 years ago

[valid gale]

i got to head out so peace and thanks for leting me pick your brains the stoory is so cool

[bold dove]

Holy shit, you just opened up an old memory I didn't even fucking remember.
I forgot that shit was a thing

[valid gale]

wow i really have been plauing this thing for a while havent i

[valid gale]

ya we had the center and when we got ragnarock they added it

oh my god we got ragnarock 6 years ago

i feel old

[bold dove]

Wait, more like 4

Still fucking ages ago.

[valid gale]

dam

[bold dove]

ARK is about to turn 8 years old in June.

[valid gale]

god

rember the ui change?

[bold dove]

Hope we get something special for a 10-year anniversary.

[valid gale]

that took some getitng ust two

[bold dove]

I hated the old UI

[valid gale]

the new one is better

[bold dove]

I was so happy when they changed it

[valid gale]

but i just think its cool to think that there will be players who uoi can mention the "old ui" to and theyd have no idea

[bold dove]

Remember when the only bosses where the Broodmommy and the monkey, and they summoned 'on' the terminals instead of you teleporting into their arena's?

[valid gale]

nah dont think i was playing that far nack

[bold dove]

That was back in like 2015.

[valid gale]

and if i was i was not in a place to be fighitnt the bosses

man in like the 4 - 5 years ive plaued arl

[bold dove]

Bosses used to spawn under the obelisk in the actual world, before they got their own arenas.

[valid gale]

ive never really played a multiplayer server and never legitimily forght a boss

[bold dove]

You should

[valid gale]

its why im doing a playthough now i have all dlc up to extionion

and i want to do the full run

gtg bye

[bold dove]

You may wanna get Genesis then, if you wanna do a 'full' run

[valid gale]

i will consider it

[bold dove]

Anyway, bye.

[gusty turret]

They were a pretty solid idea until the Transhuman army failed to stop the corruption to be able to initiate reseeding

In actuality the ship was the only plan that was future proof while the Arks relied on the pipe dream of a future with an impossible amount of incalculable variables

Rockwell also technically could gave survived if he somehow managed to get a clone of himself on the Eden ring or if the clone of himself already existed on the Eden ring just hopefully it wouldn't be crackhead version

[mental basin]

They never intended to.

They assumed the Corruption would recede with time.

[gusty turret]

There was obviously intended to be some signal to return the arks because reseeding didn't start as soon as the corruption levels had receded when we killed the king, it required Helena accessing the interface and all that jazz before it actually started

[brazen sparrow]

That's not even what he's referring to

Sure, someone on the surface may have been needed to send the all clear at one point, but who cares. The point he was making is that there was no army, fighting the titans or something. It was just the few bastions of humanity living where they could (Sanctuary, possibly Arat Prime) until they were wiped out by the corruption

[valid gale]

So let me see if I have this correct

Element adaptes to what it’s needed to do

There was a war on earth casing it to evolve to be very very good at killing stuff

War ended but the element just kept killing

Hence corruption which. Then cased them to need to leave earth

That correct?

[valid gale]

Aberration not withstanding

Becuse the ark only failed because Diana disidesed it was a good idea to blow it up

The were a long shot

But they did there job

They sat in orbit waiting they would have waited for milena if need be

Biological back up

But I agree it’s a long shot to belive that a load of randos could kill all the titans

[valid gale]

Hey been meaning to ask what happens to Rockwell after the aberration fight obvs he lives

I’m just suprise the pc would let him walk away from. It

?

[bold dove]

Aberration crashed near Arat-Prime (launch station of the ship) and he slithered his calamari ass to it, and uploaded his consciousness to the Genesis-ship, leaving his old body as a empty husk.
Then he rebuilt his new body to what we see in Gen2.

[valid gale]

And used the gen 1 sim as what?

Also what was its intended use?

I’m assuming they dident want it to be a meat grinder

Side kite in suprised there was not cut your loses

Scorched earth policy for earth

As a last resort

[bold dove]

To prepare survivors mentally and physically for a new world.

[valid gale]

Ah so kinda like the arks

[bold dove]

Yeah, but more moral.

[valid gale]

But rather to take back earth

What’s imoral about the arks?

[bold dove]

Since it has a respawn system from start, since it's just a simulation. (others in the notes also used it for entertainment)

[valid gale]

Ah that’s cool

Wait a just realised

Becuse we are respawnjf in cannon

[bold dove]

A: you didn't respawn till Helena changed it.
B: Everything wants you dead, and you can't come back.
C: If you're too good at surviving, the ARK itself will fucking kill you

[valid gale]

Every time we say get ripped apart by a sarco

[bold dove]

Sadly, yes

[valid gale]

They have to feel that man proper vr with like haptics and stuff for ark

Would suck

[valid gale]

Not sure what you mean with c

[bold dove]

On Scorched, the ARK itself wiped out Nosti, since it was too settled.

[valid gale]

God dam it

Ok that’s not ok

[bold dove]

Some survivors made the safest city on Scorched, and they got punished by it.
By the ARK itself swallowing the city with sand, threw wyverns at it, and shit

[valid gale]

I agree with you immoral thing now

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, wyverns first where summoned onto Scorched 'to' fuck up the city.

[valid gale]

Right I rember that

[bold dove]

So they literally spawned a new apex predator just to wipe out a safe-zone

[valid gale]

The ark though everything and the kitchen sink at it

And from what i rember they put a remarkably good fight

[bold dove]

Not at all

[valid gale]

Nope slaughter?

[bold dove]

The city was wiped in seconds.
Everyone but John and Raia died.

[bold dove]

Yeeeep.

[valid gale]

Never mind

[bold dove]

Cause it was sudden, and barely had a warning.

[valid gale]

Think I got confused with extion

I mean ya in fairness is giant lizards come out of the sky from No where

That you’ve never seen or even herd about before

And they start laying in to the city with fire posin and lighting

You can’t do a lot

Only airl threat before that was the bloody moths

And that are not a threat by any extent of the imagination