lore-nerdz

[gusty turret]

It wasn't just a dream though im pretty sure its meant to be something that literally happened and Gabriel is just dreaming of it because of the two engrammatic matrixs being mixed up

Uma also references element being made by a god so- i guess it just depends how you look it

"The dominant personality-a gold prospector from Alta California-was also given the memories of an Alexandrian occultist from the Roman Principate."

I interpreted the dream as memories but Rockwell could've just been screwing with him, the way i see it though its being laid out pretty plainly

It also doesn't say anything about Rockwell making him, he just was created when the AIs started glitching out because of Rockwell

So i guess he indirectly made him? But it wasn't a direct pet project

Mashing up two sets of genetics would just give us a new offspring that never organically happened, but this is like we stitched a random pair of souls together.

Hope my warning flag keeps that poor bastard from ever getting incarnated.

I can't picture an AI ever glitching out enough to resurrect an aberrant engram.

I love the use of the word aberrant there

I would like to think thats also in reference to Aberration glitching out enough after the nuke to use Rockwell and keep reviving him as overseer

[lyric tendon]

wat

[mental basin]

💀

He is not cooking !!

What is he talkn abt !! 🗣️

[brazen sparrow]

I don't even know at this point

I give up lmao

But either way, Gabriel wasn't made until at least the ship was in flight, if not at least after everyone awake on the ship was dead, because they wouldn't have started to make a body for a flawed engram, right? So it must've been Rockwell's doing, in his quest for subservience

Via process of elimination

[gusty turret]

Orrrrr just when he smashed up the AIs they started screwing up and made him despite the flag like Santiago implied

Why would he have awoken anyone normally without trying to turn them into one of his corrupted survivors beforehand?

We already know the systems were screwing up, people were waking up, it wasn't just Rockwell deliberately waking people up

While the flag Santiago put on it would've definitely drawn attention to him by Rockwell whats the odds he wasn't just made by the malfunctioning AIs and only got Rockwells attention as he was waking up and Rockwell was trying to recruit him?

Similar to what Rockwell did with us in the simulation, he only tried to recruit us as we were waking up, he couldn't care less beforehand we weren't his problem

(by waking up i mean during the boss fight but close enough)

[brazen sparrow]

What are the odds? Extremely low. Would you make an AI be in control (not to mention capable) of mashing together un-verified engrams and just calling it good? I don't think the last remaining humans alive would, but to each their own

[rain dock]

Ai are actually very good at mashing things together lol

[gusty turret]

I mean the AI didn't create him Yongki's team did but Santiago never said the flag meant he couldn't be created he just said he hoped the AI never would do that

And after a virus has left your system in pieces the AI has an excuse to be a little screwy and to do something like that

I don't know why we can't just let it be simple and accept the information thats being given to us instead of having to go in some big loop around it

Santiago mentions he hopes the AI doesn't glitch and create Gabriel? Rockwell causes the AI to glitch? Nah i think Rockwell deliberately created Gabriel to use him without doing any of the steps he did for his corrupted people and was just completely careless about it

[brazen sparrow]

It's a vague and underexplained situation for precisely this reason, and that's the last thing I'm saying on the matter as reading most any chat in this discord makes my head hurt

[lyric tendon]

Now you know why I stopped responding

Also hating Gen 2 lore

[gusty turret]

Just because you hate it it doesn't mean you can ignore it

[lyric tendon]

It's hard to ignore when there is a wall of text lol

No replies proved that case tbf

[rain dock]

Sure I can

[bold dove]

Actually, you can

What's Genesis-2 again?

[gusty turret]

The conclusion to Ark 1?

[bold dove]

Nah, that's Extinction

[gusty turret]

Then the Segway to Ark 2? Im not sure what else you expect me to call it

[bold dove]

I am, in fact, ignoring it

[gusty turret]

Welllll ignoring it doesn't mean its not canon so you just have a flawed sense of the lore by ignoring it

[bold dove]

Aren't you the guy that tried to make reason of a unreasonable man?
I don't think you can talk much about 'flawed sense of the lore'

[gusty turret]

I obviously have a less flawed view of it than you since I'm actually looking at the lore as a whole and not just looking at what i like because i worship the old writer?

[bold dove]

Somebodies cranky that Genesis-2 isn't canon.

[ornate hull]

What

How

[bold dove]

Because my insecurities about Genesis-2 says so

[gusty turret]

Interesting interesting

[bronze turtle]

why is there a spot named "santiagos grave" in extinction?

[bold dove]

Cause it's his grave

[gusty turret]

[lyric tendon]

The best one died, all we get now is a bootleg grunty caveman

[gusty turret]

Santiago is really just kinda like Bruce Banner/The Hulk

[lament raft]

one explorer note said he wears glasses

yet he's modeled after vin diesel

[gusty turret]

Yeahhh..

If i recall correctly he went from being a twink to being Vin Diesel

[lament raft]

honestly the gen 2 santiago reveal would have had more impact if we hadn't already seen him in the ark 2 trailer

[gusty turret]

I think the gen 2 Santiago reveal would've been better if they didn't retcon Santiago to be Vin Diesel

[lament raft]

also yes

[gusty turret]

I want the fluffy haired nerdy hacker boy back not the buff shirtless strong man

Literally just what happened to him

Even in Gen 2 he wasn't the bald man

That didn't happen until he woke up for Ark 2????

Vin Diesel could've played literally anyone else

G i v e m y b o y h i s h a i r b a c k

[lament raft]

since die hard there's been a trend toward bald action stars

[gusty turret]

I dunno why its odd

At least dont change a characters appearance to the point of no longer looking like that character

Maybe Rockwell just did that because he thought it would be funny

[lament raft]

they got vin diesel, they're gonna use his face to sell the game

[gusty turret]

"Oh that pos is still here im gonna make him bald"

[gusty turret]

They could've just made Vin Diesel his whole own character instead of recycling the same character for the third time

[gusty turret]

Thats what im gonna pretend happened because its funny

[lament raft]

if they get the recognizeable actor, they're gonna use their fame to boost sales

[gusty turret]

^^^

[bold dove]

All of this could've been solved if respawning wasn't canon.

[quaint marsh]

I often wish certain parts of it weren't lol

But it's not that bad

[bold dove]

It is by far my least liked notes.

[quaint marsh]

Why did they have to make it canon? Like man, gameplay is gameplay lol

Gameplay and lore are not da same

[bold dove]

Cause somebody in the office probably thought it was a cool idea, and didn't realize shit like that make the world boring.

[quaint marsh]

I guess so

[bold dove]

Or Marc had a moment of being a dummy

[quaint marsh]

All writers make mistakes

[bold dove]

I love the man, but his writing isn't flawless either.

[bold dove]

Yeah, but some make bigger ones then others.

[quaint marsh]

He gave us a very good story though, happy about that

[bold dove]

Besides the fact Helena is an idiot.

[rain dock]

We ignore that part

Although, I do think they tried to portray everyone as idiots to make them more real

[bold dove]

We shouldn't though.
Helena, the main protagonist of the notes, is single handily the dumbest character in the universe.

[bold dove]

There's a degree of 'not knowing' and 'being a flatout dumb ass'

[rain dock]

Main protagonist, why, because she wrote the notes and was helpless?

[bold dove]

Cause the plot centered around her.

She's obviously the protagonist.
Everything important happens to her.

[rain dock]

Not really, her plot did

Because she wrote about it lol

The only really important thing she did was make it possible for Bob to be Bob and die a billion times

[bold dove]

The survivor isn't part of the notes.
Which is what I'm 'exclusively' talking about.

[rain dock]

Alright, then Helena was hardly important to the events on the arks

Other than aiding Rockwell in understanding the artifacts lol

They'll probably change that in the show, but Helena really had little impact. I think it's a stretch to call her the protaginist

[bold dove]

No shit, Sherlock Holmes.
But literally everything happens to her.
-She's the one to bring Mei into the gorilla fight it.
-She's the one to find Raia and get her and Rockwell guided the tek-cave on Scorched.
-She's the one to help Mei fight off mutated Rockwell.
-Her and Mei became the last two survivors on Earth.
-She's the one that put a mysterious object in her arm, becoming a literal god-like being.

If it wasn't 2 in the morning, I'd be able to think of more things to list off.

[lyric tendon]

TBF she did admit it twice lol

[bronze turtle]

wait so him and helena went to extinction after abberation then

[lyric tendon]

Santiago, Mei, and Helena basically

We literally made a movie about this lol

[indigo cove]

I aint reading allat

[bold dove]

Who the fuck are you, and why are you bothering reading a message that isn't towards you?

[indigo cove]

Lawl

• i aint reading allat

[bold dove]

Didn't ask.

[indigo cove]

Cuh!

[bold dove]

L + Ration, nerd.

[indigo cove]

😭noooooo

🗿

[indigo cove]

Booger aids person

[bold dove]

Silence trend!

[rain dock]

Tf is happening lol

[bold dove]

I have no idea

[rain dock]

Lol

[gusty turret]

I think its a cringe-off

[gusty turret]

I know we've already established that you people don't like this stuff but I've read up a little bit on the actual cult of Serapis that would've served as the inspiration for Ixion, interesting stuff

[bold dove]

Why would no one like that?

[gusty turret]

Lets say, hypothetically speaking, that Nida was the imposter, and, hypothetically speaking, that she was venting from place to place

Would that make her, hypothetically speaking, sus?

[bold dove]

Okay, now I can see why no one likes it

[swift trail]

Are all those who wander sus ?? Maybe she enjoys going from place to place ?

[gusty turret]

ඞ

[bold dove]

Kill it

[gusty turret]

Genesis 2 is really just a big game of among us

Is that why you don't like it

[bold dove]

Yes

Can you blame me?

[gusty turret]

Yes

[swift trail]

Haha. What task are we doing in ark ? 🙂

[gusty turret]

The missions are the tasks and when Rockwell implodes the ship thats us failing to fix the imposters sabotage

[rain dock]

I hate it, but I can't entirely disagree lol

[swift trail]

Snap !!! Think you’re on to something. !!

[gusty turret]

By the property of substitution, does that mean that among us is a biblical reference?

When you think about it the last supper is just a big game of among us, trying to find out who the imposter is that is going to betray Jesus

[amber trench]

The entire universe is among us

[indigo cove]

I aint reading allat

[gusty turret]

At least when i troll it's not just boring i try to make it interesting

[bold dove]

Don't worry, they're new. So they have no rights.

[gusty turret]

When was this server birthed from Wildcards loins anyways

I think I've been here basically since it was publicized, maybe a short bit after

[bold dove]

Like three years

Yeah, no. You've been here for only two-ish years.

I can see

Ignore my date on my profile. I sometimes leave as a gag for jokes, so it'll reset the date.

[gusty turret]

Oh nevermind then, i only joined around when gen 2 released because thats when i found out about it

after swiftly getting banned from the original unnofficial Ark server for saying hi to someone who had been banned

[bold dove]

Yeah, I heard that server is a real work

[gusty turret]

It was fun while it lasted

I believe the reason on my ban was "disputing moderation and lying badly" because i said "hi person i was here when you were muted 24 hours ago "

[dense ice]

I got banned from that server for saying ark 2 would release in 100 years.

So he banned me for 100 years.

💀

[lyric tendon]

lmao

[solemn siren]

Is there any explanation for how shadowmanes, Wyverns, etc. Came into existence?

Because the ARKs backed up "every creature to ever exist" and I'm 80% sure that didn't involve dragons

[lament raft]

wyverns specifically were meant as a challenge to the survivors on SE

something to stop them from getting complacent

like the giga on the island and reapers on ab

[gusty turret]

There was like a big earthquake and the ground cracked and out came a lot of jerks and started attacking people

Its kinda like the Hobbit movies if you watched those

[lament raft]

overall they were added since the arks were meant to reseed the earth with a balance of flora and fauna. wyverns and such were created to try to find a good balance, even with mythical creatures

shadowmanes specifically, i got no clue

[solemn siren]

"good balance"
The terran federation unleashing literal horrors that can destroy entire towns in minutes "for the meme":

[gusty turret]

Deathworms were made for the same purpose as the leedsicthy.... I cant apell taht i just randomly woke up at 6 am... The big whale, to keep people from heading too close to the outer barrier

[lament raft]

leedsicthys iirc

[solemn siren]

I thought the mosasaur was the thing designed to stop them from getting close to the barrier

The leedsicthys was to stop people from trying to boat to the barrier, the mosasaur was to prevent anyone who was trying to swim

[lament raft]

the ocean itself was supposed to be a barrier

overall the alien things have unknown origins overall

ravagers could be mutated wolves

[solemn siren]

How did Rockwell survive his battle against the Survivor on Aberration?

Is it ever explained how he managed to survive the extreme damage inflicted on him or is it more of a "just trust me" scenario

[lament raft]

i assume some part of him survived

[quaint marsh]

A bunch of us went in to troll, the admin checked all of our profile ages and banned everyone except me because they were too "new"

funny man

[quaint marsh]

I have a feeling it could have to do with element. He kinda just sits in a pool of it, right? It probably helped him regenerate

[solemn siren]

Wasn't the element also melting away at him?

Isn't that the reason why his entire chest cavity and lower torso are missing in ab and his lower torso is missing in gen2?

[compact zenith]

He is tentacle monster

[quaint marsh]

Doubt it, that's probably from the mutation process... his bottom half became something else

But interesting theory though

[compact zenith]

Element water killing all dinos, so i think he at least 50% right

[solemn siren]

Rockwell should've never gone exploring BC he got bored tbh

Would've made things a lot less complicated

[quaint marsh]

He should have stayed home drinking tea

[solemn siren]

True

It's literally the domino meme it's just
"Going exploring one day"
"Dying multiple aeons in the future in a fiery explosion thousands of lightyears from earth after becoming a grotesque purple flesh monster and infecting a giant starship"

[compact zenith]

"Survive all and try to take under control new planet"

[solemn siren]

If Rockwell survived I'm going to cause a riot

[compact zenith]

We dont know if he die

[solemn siren]

He 100% died

Otherwise HLN-A's sacrifice was for nothing and giving him back a shred of his humanity in his final moments is poor writing

[compact zenith]

He survive aberration get to the simulation and take under control half of the spaceship

What if he launch pod with piece if his flesh?

[compact zenith]

Yes sorry

[solemn siren]

I'm pretty sure he survived aberration due to his
You know
Brain still being intact

Considering he was literally intertwined with the entire colony ship, his entire body was 100% destroyed in the blast

[compact zenith]

I just dont think what ark 2 will be just fighting with the local inhabitants

[solemn siren]

Avatar plot

[compact zenith]

Same

[solemn siren]

Can they really call it Ark anymore

Because
You know
Where ARK

[lyric tendon]

ye where ARK

[compact zenith]

Ark's was sent to earth at the end of extinction

Original ark's

[lyric tendon]

ye but ARK 2 is not on earth

[compact zenith]

I know

[solemn siren]

Also ARK 2 is set thousands of years in the future

Like well after extinction

[compact zenith]

Game need to do this name
ark: taking over a new planet

[solemn siren]

British simulator 7089

[compact zenith]

😂

[solemn siren]

its even funnier when you remember Rockwell is British

[compact zenith]

Its better than just

[compact zenith]

He's coming for you

[solemn siren]

Ark isn't realistic, Helena is Australian and Rockwell is English, it is physically impossible for them to interact with eachother without violence

[compact zenith]

why didn't Rockwell just make a philosopher's stone instead of injecting himself with all sorts of incomprehensible bullshit

[solemn siren]

Because he's a chemist, not an alchemist

Wind the clock back 600 or so years and everything would've been fine but nooo

We had to get a 19th century prick instead of a cocaine huffing 11th century paint drinker who sacrifices their body for science

[compact zenith]

Best what i saw today

[solemn siren]

I wish we got an actual insane character in Ark

Like Nerva may be power hungry but he's from imperial Rome, that's expected of the time period

None of the characters are unhinged at the beginning

See aforementioned 11th century alchemist

[compact zenith]

I saw some there what the one of the main objective will be to protect daugther

Is it right?

[arctic bison]

''Starring Vin Diesel ("Riddick") as legendary ARK hero Santiago, experience an epoch-spanning adventure as he seeks to protect his daughter Meeka -- voiced by Auli'i Cravalho ("Moana") -- from the ghosts of the ancient past and visions of a new future.''

[solemn siren]

"ghosts of the ancient past" Helena is that you

[compact zenith]

😂

[arctic bison]

likely referring to the damage element/tek caused to earth

[carmine cedar]

Rockwell making his 3rd comeback

3 messages got sent simultaneously, and of course discord puts me at the bottom 👎🏽

Average distanced from server enjoyer

[compact zenith]

I think you are right

[solemn siren]

Rockwell is like the Terminator

Rockwell running for governer of California I hear

[carmine cedar]

My uncle who works for Joe Biden told me that he’s running for governor of Florida

“Florida man infected with unknown disease, arm turns black and purple”

“Florida man mutates into monstrosity, citizens unbothered”

[compact zenith]

"Florifa man become tentacle monster and take under control a giant space ship"

[lyric tendon]

Angry British Tentacle Monster

[solemn siren]

ABTM

BTM

(he's British, the rage is implied)

[gusty turret]

Likely because he has been elevated to overseer position so the system likely just revived him as it would the overseer on the island and the manticore on scorched

Honestly i think we should feel bad for what we did

[lyric tendon]

n a h

[gusty turret]

We're giving some poor delusional old man heart arrhythmias until he drowns in his own piss instead of trying to help him because some random lady told us to

[lyric tendon]

his punishment is deserved tbh

if he wants to be a god, then suffer from success

plus he's gonna be a butt head again in Gen 2, so... no remorse

[gusty turret]

If i drowned in my own piss i would probably be a butthead again too

[lyric tendon]

he is already a butt head to begin with

[gusty turret]

Yeah but thats why we should've tried to give him help instead of giving him heart arrhythmias

I think Helena's the villain tbh

[lyric tendon]

least we forget, he left the baby die in the desert, turned a shinehorn into a mutant out of sheer desperation, being greedy AF

and commit massacre thrice*

*implying the SE tribes are "dead"

nah helana is a dum'bass, she even admit it herself

at least what Helena did is unintentional, and out of sheer cluelessness

Rockwell in the other hand, he is a living OSHA and Geneva Convention violation with serval war crimes under his belt

[gusty turret]

Technically he is none of those things because he isn't at war and OSHA doesn't exist in the ark universe at least anymore

[brazen sparrow]

We don't know that

Maybe it's just named differently after the Arat Prime incident

[lyric tendon]

the Tek Tribe are from the Future.... they know what OSHA is
(given we are making memes about it in the present)

[gusty turret]

But thats assuming our timeline is linear to the Ark timeline up to this exact point in time

[brazen sparrow]

...it is, save for the stuff that is obviously not real/unproven (the survivors from the past, the engrammic matrix, etc.) The element meteor doesn't hit til the early 22nd century or sometime around there

[merry cipher]

rockwell was a bad person through and through (also hi i'm alive kinda)

he was a self-centered entitled awful person. but he was still human

honstly that's, the thing I really like about his character

you don't feel forced to feel bad, it's for you to work out

[lyric tendon]

i like his kind of "evil" until Gen 2 when they made "us feel bad for him" kind of vibe

he already committed enough warcrimes that is not worth redemption

[mental basin]

In his voiced Notes on The Island, he's just a benign old man who put his research above all else. Not in a bad way, but it was what's important to him.

[rain dock]

Rockwell was the single most important individual on the island for keeping diplomacy and peace, at least until nerva and his artifact obsession

[lyric tendon]

diplomacy is not his prime priority tho

[rain dock]

He was the one everyone went to

[mental basin]

Once his work was stifled, he became increasingly bitter with everyone on The Island. Not to mention that he was the guy everyone went to for their problems.

[lyric tendon]

because of his recepies

[mental basin]

... No.

[rain dock]

It was not his priority, but it was his biggest value to the political scene early in the story

He didn't really become bad until he put his research value higher than everything else, and that was after they discovered the artifacts

[bold dove]

And he only did it to gain a better reputation to get better supplies, not cause he actually cared.

[lyric tendon]

he values having human subjects over being a diplomat of The Island

[mental basin]

At that point, all he particularly cared about was progressing his scientific work. Him siding with Nerva was in order to accomplish that, not to mention the fact that he actually agreed with Nerva’s view on The Island.

[rain dock]

He was conceited and arrogant, but his role was kind of vital, and it was his failing to keep that role that let nerva steamroll everyone

[mental basin]

We never get to see the conversation, but I have a sinking feeling Rockwell was in someway the one who truly got manipulated. You can see it in Nerva’s Notes, too.

[rain dock]

Nerva read Rockwell like a book lol

[mental basin]

Eventually, his obsession with the Artifacts grew, along with his resent for The Island's inhabitants. Especially Mei, which he rightfully shared hatred with Nerva for. His only information about her was lies about her being a savage, barbarian cannibal.

[mental basin]

Once he knew Helena was working with this horrible woman, he lost all respect for her. And it appears he grows an inferiority complex around this point.

On Scorched, its the same-old same-old. But turned up to 10.

But it all makes sense, considering his logic.

Bit by bit he convinced himself that what he was doing was in the name of progression-

And that's how it was since the beginning! All about progression, and making his 'scientific utopia'. His desire for progress was only increased by The Hall of History.

And could you blame him??? He was from the 18th century!

[bold dove]

Yes, I could.

[mental basin]

Then that's your problem, and you're objectively a Knucklehead McSpazatron.

[bold dove]

And you're a nicapoop.

[rain dock]

I think this is the single most important thing when it comes to trying to understand Rockwell. The really did capture the 18th century scientist vibe very well in the story

[mental basin]

Seeing that he had only scratched the surface of his work, he needed to go deeper. He HAD to. For PROGRESS. He already put his research on a pedestal, and coming to find out that there was so, so much more behind everything, every single thing he had ever known- he just had to make progress. Progress, PROGRESS!!

[rain dock]

It's easy to make character judgements on him early in the story based on modern morality, but based on 18th century ideals he kind of was the ideal guy until he went overboard on later maps

[bold dove]

Bruh, you're pumping out 50+ character texts a second.
Who's the spazatron here. 💀

[mental basin]

It didn't matter how many he killed, how many were hurt, who, why or when. He had to unlock the mystery behind the ARKs.

And it had to be HIM, nobody else.

Inferiority complex and jealousy can do something to someone.

Even in the end, in his mutated state, it's all in the name of progress. He wanted to make that 'scientific utopia' from his fantasies past- and not only did he have the power and resources to, but he WOULD'VE, if it wasn't for The Ones Who Try Again.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk, I'm here for the foreseeable future.

[bold dove]

Can you give me a TL;DR?

[mental basin]

Rockwell did everything for the sake of a better future. HE had to do it, 'cuz he was a jealous be-yotch.

Rockwells the kind of guy to say you did something wrong, do it the same exact way and claim its better.

[bold dove]

Let me take that information and use it as toiletpaper.

[mental basin]

Must I call over a moderator to end your petty crusade?

[bold dove]

I'm obviously joking

[mental basin]

I'm going to force feed you organic polymer

Get over here

[bold dove]

Like, sure.
But what're they going to fine me over? I didn't break any rules.

[mental basin]

Rule 1.1

Ackyshyually

[bold dove]

I'll respectfully use that information to use as toiletpaper

[mental basin]

[bold dove]

And like, you can be an ass while being respectful.
I do it all the time in front of the moderators.

[solemn siren]

Yeah he lost it

[bold dove]

It's called 'respectfully an ass'

[solemn siren]

I think he started losing it when Helena went to the obelisk without him

[mental basin]

I'll respectfully use that information to use as toiletpaper

:troII:

[bold dove]

Ayo, can I join?

[mental basin]

PAUSE

[solemn siren]

And from there it was a very steady downward spiral right until he injected himself with molten element

[bold dove]

[mental basin]

That's where the inferiority complex begins.

And the crushing jealousy.

[bold dove]

Wouldn't it had actually started at the artifact, but fully came into light at the obelisk?

[mental basin]

Not really, that just increased his urge to make progress.

[solemn siren]

Well no, because until that moment he was only mildly interested in the artifacts

[mental basin]

That in and of itself isn't that bad.

[solemn siren]

Helena going without him spurred him to join the New Legion

[bold dove]

Which progress feeds him inferiority complex, no?

[mental basin]

He joined beforehand.

[solemn siren]

Really?

[bold dove]

Yep

[solemn siren]

The explorer note timeline is wierd

[mental basin]

Not until Helena goes with Mei to the Monke.

[bold dove]

He did it cause they had better equipment for him to use. Or something like that

[rain dock]

I mean, the new legion did kind of have a lot of appeal to an 18th century colonizer

[mental basin]

Don't worry about a timeline. If we listened to everything in the Notes, Santiago would be hundreds of years old.

[bold dove]

Touché

[mental basin]

@plain plover do the roar

[solemn siren]

Ark Santiago or Genesis Santiago

[rain dock]

It makes sense that he would throw in with them

[mental basin]

Red say the funny

[solemn siren]

Is there any explanation for why the ARKs are deserted during gameplay or is it literally for gameplay reasons

[mental basin]

It's not even gameplay reasons

The 'canon' way of experiencing ARK would be on a PvP Server

But screw PvP and screw Servers

[rain dock]

Ark is supposed to be multi-player, so it was never supposed to be empty

[mental basin]

Singleplayer for life

[solemn siren]

Ok but Ark multiplayer sucks

[mental basin]

Exactly

[rain dock]

It has pros and cons. But it is the way the game was designed to play

[mental basin]

That's why I'm a li'l schizo who litters his house with Training Dummies so I feel less lonely

😩

[solemn siren]

Least insane ark player

The dodos are my friends

[gusty turret]

Skill issue

[plain plover]

According to Santiago 2.0's notes, Yongki says he died in the 2300s, but according to Diana's notes, all the village members are from the 2140s. meaning if Santiago actually died like Yongki said he did, he would be over 180 years old

Likely Yongki's memories are also false and this was a hiccup by the transhumans who cloned him

or

"Diana 2.0, this is my Arch Nemesis, Santiago"
"amugus"
"He has dementia"
*unplugs life support

[solemn siren]

I find it incredibly funny that the tek tribe destroyed aberration because they just
Didn't realise they were in space

And blew the shield to pieces with a bomb

[lyric tendon]

*Overseer

[solemn siren]

Potato Potato

Same end result

[gusty turret]

I have no idea why the overseer didn't simply regenerate

[bold dove]

That's assuming it has the ability to do so

Or anything was left of it

[lyric tendon]

TBH the overseer is not the only thing got exploded by the nuke

||The Entire Arena Got NUKED||

[gusty turret]

I think what we do to the islands during that boss fight is only slightly less damaging that a nuke

It just depends how you fight it i guess

[gusty turret]

I think a heavily malfunctioning and broken overseer would've been a far cooler fight than Rockwell ngl

[mental basin]

Would be cool if he made use of the old Overseer.

Like if he just fucking picked it up and flung it at us.

[lyric tendon]

But the overseer is made of literal pixels tho

[mental basin]

Yeahhh I knowww

[lyric tendon]

Plus the overseer arena is in space, not inside the ARK

Rockwell is possibly inside a Guardian Arena

[bold dove]

Or his own arena

[lyric tendon]

Possibly

Still can't get over that strange Holo Orb above it tho

[gusty turret]

He should just pick himself up and fling himself at us

[lyric tendon]

What if he is deeply rooted in the ARK tho

Since Ab is falling apart and all

[gusty turret]

I think his ability to sink and rise out of the element and his tentacles ability to do so too just kinda leaves him swimming in the soup

[lyric tendon]

But he can't jump, let alone walk

[gusty turret]

We don't know that

Maybe he was jumping around before we got down there

Maybe he was using his tentacles as jump ropes

[lyric tendon]

He would've slam us already with his huge mass if he did

Him being rooted makes sense

Him sinking in the element pool, is just that... Sinking

[gusty turret]

If he was rooted where would he sink to

If he was rooted i think its also way more likely he wouldn't have made it out of the Aberration crash alive

Hell i don't even know how he made it out of the Aberration crash even if he wasn't rooted

Like imagine just casually locking someone in an elevator and punting them down from orbit through the atmosphere

[solemn siren]

I thought aberration descended as usual

[lyric tendon]

If he can survive the bullet hell and explosives that we pelt at him, I am sure he can survive a crash

You know, being made of element and all

[solemn siren]

Ok but can Rockwell survive Deez nuts (I named my level 500 1000% melee damage karkinos Deez nuts)

[lyric tendon]

In the true ending (beating Alpha King)

Ab crashed

[solemn siren]

Wow that happens whenever I try and boot up ab /s

[gusty turret]

Getting shot is considerably different than falling from space in a trap of metal and stone

[sick canyon]

It's pretty much confirmed that rockwell survived in extinction ascension cut scene

[gusty turret]

Yeah i know im just saying it makes no sense that anything could survive that

[brazen sparrow]

Not necessarily, the other two pillars of the Ark still worked

Don't see why they would just decide to not at least try and slow the descent on reentry

[sick canyon]

Maybe the aberration landing protocol wasn't as broken as the rest of the ark

Rockwell could have also used his overseer abilities to help it land safely

[brazen sparrow]

It's not like Aberration was entirely broken, either. The majority of the Ark works fine...

[mental basin]

It doesn't though

It's described as "on the verge of collapse"

[brazen sparrow]

But I understand the common misconception that the Ark is entirely screwed

[mental basin]

The only reason its not literally falling apart in gameplay is because it's gameplay

Because it is screwed what

That's the entire reason it crashed

Kablooey

Kaput

[gusty turret]

If you take 1/4 or the rotors on a drone it will not fly in a controllable manner

[mental basin]

Sí

It will spin and spiral out of your control

Like Aberration

[sick canyon]

It looked fine in the extinction cut scene

[brazen sparrow]

Works fine enough, and the reason it crashes is because of that one pillar being blown apart, it's not like it fell to Earth at light speed lmao

[mental basin]

My brother in Christ it was splayed across the ground more than your m-

[brazen sparrow]

Sure, it broke up and such, but it didn't just explode into bits or anything

It wasn't atomized or some shit

[mental basin]

I'd say there was a degree of not so much an explosion, but shattering
Considering there's an Element Terminal from DEEP within the Caverns flung all the way out onto the surface, a reasonable distance from the ARK

You know I could never figure out what the mass was that was behind the ARK

Just a massive looming THING that isn't Rockwell obviously

[brazen sparrow]

There were terminals on the surface of the Ark too

[mental basin]

Wait what

[brazen sparrow]

And the ones we see inside aren't that deep, either

[mental basin]

Since when was that a thing, speak of inconvenience

I'd like my Element well done please

[brazen sparrow]

You... you seriously didn't know?

And you call yourself a lore expert 🤣

[mental basin]

Aberration is by far my least played story DLC

You don't need to play a DLC to know the lore??

[brazen sparrow]

Sadge

Best map, easily

[gusty turret]

The surface has the super stations

Facts

[mental basin]

So I've heard

[gusty turret]

Scorched is the worst

[mental basin]

I'm going to bludgeon you I love SE

[brazen sparrow]

Caves are good, but yeah no Scorched stinks

Notes are cool too, creatures even

[mental basin]

Scorched has the best and most interesting caves of any DLC

[brazen sparrow]

Map design is booty tho

[mental basin]

Ext has the worst

[brazen sparrow]

Oh for sure

[sick canyon]

Scorched has the worst soundtrack as well
Mainly because there isn't enough of it

[mental basin]

Described as "Dungeons" by Wildcard initially, the Caves of Extinction proved to be incredible linear hallways filled with high-Level Creatures as a sense of fake difficulty

[sick canyon]

Giga go brrrrrr

[gusty turret]

Gen 2 has the worst map design

[mental basin]

Excuse me what

You meant to say Gen1 right

[sick canyon]

Bruh

[gusty turret]

They literally just copy pasted the same rock structures literally everywhere

[mental basin]

They did not

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah no, that's Scorched still

[gusty turret]

They did😭

[mental basin]

They copy pasted ONE mountain into Fjord iirc

[brazen sparrow]

Gen 2 is really nice tf you mean

[arctic bison]

Nekatus using gen 2 assets like:

[gusty turret]

They ended up with like 10 of the same ratholes in gen 2 because they copy pasted the same rock formation all across the garden

[mental basin]

Gen 1 has the worst Map design, which is ironic because that's where it was supposed to shine.

Absolutely horrible.

[brazen sparrow]

The ocean of Gen 1 sucks, everything else is great

[mental basin]

I'd rather be hit in the head with a brick than be forced to do a Solo playthrough of Gen 1.

[gusty turret]

The ocean is actually my favorite

[sick canyon]

Umm, that's kinda how they make maps lol
A bunch of the same rock assets in used in different ways

[gusty turret]

I don't like the lunar

[arctic bison]

the man has scorched as his favorite map design, that speaks for itself

[gusty turret]

I wish all the oceans on maps had the same detail the gen 1 ocean has

[mental basin]

In terms of best design:
Volcano
Lunar
Ocean
Arctic
Bog

The Bog makes me want to die

If anything is copy pasted its Bog

And everything is green blue and orange, I get lost so easily

Gen 1 all around was just a flop imo

Sorry WC

[sick canyon]

Skill issue

[mental basin]

Welcome back, I'm Mr. Beast and today I'll be dropping 300 innocent Survivors into the Bog Biome of the Genesis Simulation

The last one to go clinically insane wins a 20 minute joyride on an Astrodelphis

[gusty turret]

I think the only creatures worth anything from either gens were the bloodstalker and the maewing

[mental basin]

Honestly I'd agree if it wasn't for the Magmasaur

He's pretty cool

Err, hot

[gusty turret]

Magmas honestly just aren't worth the pain of going to get them

[mental basin]

Take that back right now

They're the reason Gen 1 Missions are even POSSIBLE

[gusty turret]

🤨

[mental basin]

Unless you feel like breeding an entire army of X-Rexes

Which I doubt anyone wants to do

[brazen sparrow]

Y'all are both silly

[mental basin]

Quickly little creature

[brazen sparrow]

Just transfer gigas over, ez

[gusty turret]

Thats what i do

[sick canyon]

You forgot the tek strider

[mental basin]

Here's something I've never understood
Why don't people every take advantage of Transferring

[gusty turret]

Anyone who likes feroxs just think they're better than everyone else so they think they have to use a ferox instead of a jerboa

[mental basin]

Honestly it makes bossfights so much easier

Like on Gen 2

Bring your army to a Mission Terminal and upload them, and all your items

Die and respawn into Rockwell

Unupload everything

Saves you so much time yet NOBODY does it

It's understandably more difficult on other Maps, but that doesn't excuse the fact that nobody does it on Gen 2

[brazen sparrow]

Easier to just fly there with cryos, or better yet have cave building on and just tp to the cliff plaform you put up next to the terminal

[mental basin]

But with Cryos you have to not only wait, but fly there yourself

It's faster to just upload-suicide-unupload

Unless you don't have Cryosickness enabled

Then that's more understandable

[brazen sparrow]

Who tf plays with that enabled

[mental basin]

Hello

[brazen sparrow]

Absolute masochists?

[mental basin]

Yes

[brazen sparrow]

Fair, forgot who I was speaking to for a sec

[mental basin]

The pain brings me... pain

[brazen sparrow]

One would assume, yes

Well, back to my boy Kelvin to build a log cabin mansion

[mental basin]

Honestly though honestly though
I'm almost done breeding my Megath army for Broodmommy
I've never beaten a boss besides Gamma/Beta Rockwell Prime

Overseer here I come babyyy

[brazen sparrow]

Whe

[gusty turret]

I've beat uhhhh gamma broodmother, alpha center, beta Rockwell, gamma rockwell prime, and i w o u l d v e had gamma master controller if my old tribe had any idea what they were doing

[mental basin]

I've beaten one Boss on two Difficulties in my entire 5-something years of playing ARK

[brazen sparrow]

plays Ark
is obsessed with the lore
hasn't beaten the game in Singleplayer 50 times
mfw
🤨

[mental basin]

Ke ke ke

[gusty turret]

Just gcm and redgun them all

Problem solved

[mental basin]

What's the point of that

[gusty turret]

Killing them

[mental basin]

Where is the satisfaction to be found

You didn't earn anything

[gusty turret]

Killing them

[mental basin]

Wack

[gusty turret]

You earned the killing them

[brazen sparrow]

No but honestly what the hell have you been doing all these years

[mental basin]

I earned the killing them

[brazen sparrow]

Play the damn story boyo

[gusty turret]

Good

[brazen sparrow]

It's fun

[arctic bison]

besides thinking scorched is the best map, wich it isn't by far

[mental basin]

Getting to midgame and resetting my data

[brazen sparrow]

Oh, you're one of those

[mental basin]

Never said it was the best TF

Putting words in my mouth

[brazen sparrow]

My buddy is one of those too

[mental basin]

Mfw i play a game for 5 years and never beat it

[gusty turret]

The island is fun but only if you play without flyers

[mental basin]

Ooh new CuZ ARK video drops today

[brazen sparrow]

He also has over 50 different saves for Skyrim like some kind of weirdo

[mental basin]

Based, I bet he plays them all simultaneously

[gusty turret]

I never beat skyrim once it is not a good game

[mental basin]

GET OUT

[gusty turret]

Eso is better than skyrim in basically every way

And thats because it wasn't made by Bethesda

[mental basin]

[brazen sparrow]

He loads one up, gets conflicted on what to do, then makes another character

[gusty turret]

Bethesda has like.... Never made a good game

[brazen sparrow]

Clown takes, I don't make the rules

[gusty turret]

Todd Howard bootlickers

[brazen sparrow]

Before Todd even joined they made good games LMAO

Ever heard of Daggerfall

(I doubt it, but)

[brazen sparrow]

You probably buy crown crates every season too, huh?

[gusty turret]

Nope

[pure snow]

can someone play with me

[gusty turret]

I don't buy anything in like any game

I don't spend money often

[brazen sparrow]

Well, there's that at least

[gusty turret]

I don't even buy eso plus

I like opening crates when i have them because no risk gambling is like my favorite thing ever but buying them is dumb

[brazen sparrow]

Anywho, gonna go play Sons of the Forest now, since this has turned into #general 2, as signified by the fresh join

[gusty turret]

You will

These are not the droids you are looking for

[sick canyon]

[lyric tendon]

a literal opposite of the a majority of ARK Players who still dont know the lore despite having the knowledge of cheesing bosses

[gusty turret]

I still think intentionally pumping people full of misinformation would be funny

[quaint marsh]

If I had known yutys could fear the enemies in that fight, we would have won

[pseudo nimbus]

Go on

[solemn siren]

Fallout 3, fallout 4, fallout 76, elder scrolls 3: Morrowind, elder scrolls 4: oblivion, elder scrolls 5: Skyrim, etc

[bold dove]

Did...you just say 76?

[solemn siren]

Yes

It's got more active monthly players than ESO, has a fun gameplay loop and has regular massive content updates every 3-4 months

Into the Pitt, Nuka-World on Tour, etc.

[bold dove]

Yeah, fuck no.
Every update has been nothing but disappointment to me.

[solemn siren]

How

[bold dove]

Cause it feels like a generic MMO then an actual Fallout game.
Same can be said with ESO

[gusty turret]

Any fallout that isn't New Vegas is sub-par

Was 3 even Bethesda or was it still Obsidian back then?

[solemn siren]

Bethesda

[bold dove]

Looking at the steam charts right now from the past 3 months, and ESO has double of what 76 has

[bold dove]

Bethesda

[solemn siren]

76 is still a good game imo

[bold dove]

Good opinion, but sorry for your taste.

[solemn siren]

I don't play 76 religiously, I mostly just play it whenever I have 1-2 hours to burn and I don't feel like loading up any of my other games

It's my dedicated time waster

[bold dove]

Fallout 3: a rocky but good start, felt like a first-person Fallout experience.
New-Vegas felt like what Black-Isle wanted to make, but graphically doesn't hold up. RPG-elements of the gameplay are still solid though, and the gameplay would probably still holdup heavily if it had Fallout-4's gunplay.
Fallout-4 finally made using guns not a chore, but at the cost of removing almost literally every RPG-elements the previous titles had.
76 is everything with 4 (since they're more or less the same game) but with a buggy-mess of a online no one really asked for.

[gusty turret]

76 was good until they ruined it with microtransactions

[bold dove]

I will always be salty of Bethesda making the radiation system the most lackluster piece of shit in 4.

It just removes your max HP.....
Radiation, the very thing the series is built around, the real-life horror of something that can burn your skin without you seeing it.
Fucking decreases your max HP.

[solemn siren]

Ok but that's more of a threat then like -1 strength and perception from radiation poisoning in 3 and new Vegas

Like all those games did was give you a debuff and didn't actually damage you

4 actually sucks the life out of you

[bold dove]

Not really, since the SPECIAL stats where more important back then.

[solemn siren]

They really weren't for the most part

[bold dove]

Ever played Fallout 1-2?

[solemn siren]

Yes

I have actually
I've played every game except for the bos PS2 game

[bold dove]

Then you should know radiation did kill you in those games.

[solemn siren]

Yeah, by damaging you in the same way 4 does, just without the max health reduction

Radiation wasn't even really deadly, you can run around the glow perfectly fine for the most part

[bold dove]

It reduces your special stats.

[bold dove]

If you had some rad-away and rad-x, yeah.
But if you go there without any radiation resistance, by the time you get the BoS keycard, you're special stats are going to be fucked.

[brazen sparrow]

You also just flat out died if you had more than a certain amount, which makes more sense than 4 in every way

Also, some bad takes in here today, but I'm not gonna try and convince anyone otherwise. It gets tiring

[bold dove]

I'm interested in what you have to say about my takes.

[brazen sparrow]

Too bad

[bold dove]

[bold dove]

Not the channel for that.

[gusty turret]

Then you probably shouldn't ask here at all

[half forge]

Edmundium better name than ele tbh

[gusty turret]

I disrespectfully disagree

[half forge]

We all have our opinions

[bold dove]

Some more wrong then others

[golden junco]

How long was the element war?

[bold dove]

If I recall, around 100+ years

[mental basin]

Nopw

[bold dove]

I am in fact, wrong

[mental basin]

According to the addendums in Gen 2 it was about... I dunno, 50 iirc? Lemme check. It was kinda short.

Christ

[bold dove]

I thought it started in the 23rd century, and ended in the 25th?

[bold dove]

50 years to be fair isn't that short.

That's kind of medium length.

Both world-wars where like 20-ish years, no?

[mental basin]

Ah, we got an end date. Never got a beginning.

[golden junco]

50 years of Terran Federation and United Republic of Earth bombing each other with sentient element

[bold dove]

Ahhh

[golden junco]

no wonder element was like "Im gonna corrupt these peeps"

[mental basin]

So... if Diana's Notes in Ext are accurate... which they aren't... the war would be almost 200 years.

[bold dove]

Honestly, if Element didn't become corrupted, humanity was probably fucked either way with all of the bombing

[mental basin]

All the Survivors memories are, for the most part, fake...

So to answer your question, Wiseness, we dunno how long the war lasted.

[bold dove]

Okay, so that's where I most likely got my 100+ years

[golden junco]

[mental basin]

Yeah, she said she was born early 2200s.

[mental basin]

Which doesn't line up with Santiago's timeline. Her memories are false.

[golden junco]

does anyone like the look of ark 2? i dont

[mental basin]

As is everyone else's on the ARKs... Santiagios weren't really faked though, of course.

They were just cut before his death...

[bold dove]

Depends
Story or gameplay wise?

Or graphically.

[golden junco]

both game and story

graphics are sweet though

[bold dove]

Gameplay wise, it sounds good in concept, I just hope it doesn't stay primitive for 8+ years.
Story-wise, I'm not looking forward to.

Genesis-2 kind of ruined my thrill of ARK's lore.

[golden junco]

Unreal Engine was originally designed for single-player games

[golden junco]

👍

[bold dove]

What? No.
It was for Unreal Tournament.

Which was a Quake-like online shooter.

[golden junco]

ok

[bold dove]

'ok' 💀

[compact zenith]

First time hearing about unreal tournament

[golden junco]

why is there only one kind of mek when santiago designed a few different ones?

[bold dove]

Gameplay

[compact zenith]

Lazy developers

[bold dove]

But if I had to think of a lore reason, probably cause the engram within our brain was Santiago's design.

[mental basin]

Iirc the Genship travels at the speed of light for 3 hrs a night

If we uh took that into account

78,069 years pass per nightly jump

:troII:

[golden junco]

dude

[mental basin]

I'm gonna pretend I didn't see that

[bold dove]

Watch Wildcard not take this into account-

[golden junco]

see what

[mental basin]

That bit of information

[bold dove]

Mine?

[mental basin]

Mine

[bold dove]

Ahh.

[mental basin]

Ain't no WAY 78,069 years pass per nightly jump

[golden junco]

whats the biggest tribe you can have on any server?

[mental basin]

Not the place

[bold dove]

Yeah, cause if that was the case, a in-game year would be like a Trillion years, no?

[mental basin]

On the Ship yes

Kekeke

[bold dove]

Ooooh, on the ship.

I thought everywhere else 'but' the ship

[golden junco]

how did rockwell get to the genesis ship?

[mental basin]

Oh nonononyoure right

For each 3 hours of lightspeed
78,069 years pass on Earth

[bold dove]

He slithered his calamari ass to Arat-Prime and uploaded his consciousness.

[bold dove]

Okay, so Earth is dead

[mental basin]

Extinctionnwas for nothing were already fucking DEAD

HAHAHA

[bold dove]

Oooooh, that's why we went onto the Genesis ship xD

[mental basin]

To avoid cosmic death yes

[compact zenith]

Before it he survive falling from the sky

[mental basin]

Yes yes he does

[bold dove]

So a year outside of the ship would be 28,495,185

[mental basin]

IF my calculations are correct

[bold dove]

Yeah, another five years and the death of the universe is coming. 💀

[bold dove]

Well, that's kind of a 'no shit'

How would he be able to get to Arat-Prime as a corpse?

[compact zenith]

he will survive it too

[bold dove]

@mental basin By the way, did you like my tweet I sent?

[mental basin]

According to Redgear

It does not travel lightspeed

It teleports

[bold dove]

RedGear is an interesting person sometimes

[gusty turret]

Space travel is weird....

[mental basin]

Sci-fi magic shit

[bold dove]

Didn't they literally say though it does travel through space?

[mental basin]

He's right though
I'm taking teleporting over ls

[small rune]

[bold dove]

Honestly, fuck it.
Better then everything being dead within 5-7 years

[mental basin]

Yes, HLN-A says it 'jumps'
Which makes more sense

[gusty turret]

It definitely is lightspeed-

[bold dove]

The warping does remind me of when ships in Star-Trek are traveling

[mental basin]

Oooh you're just in time for the daily Rockwell × Nerva fanfic sharing

[bold dove]

"OwO" says Rockwell, as he touches Nerva's hand.

[gusty turret]

They call lightspeed travel in star wars jumps too don't they-

[small rune]

leaves

Back to the shadows for me

[gusty turret]

Im more of a Rockwell x Gabriel man myself since they're written like an angsty teenagers wattpad story

[mental basin]

Ooh Rockwell × Nerva × Gabriel LOVE TRIANGLE??

[compact zenith]

Who play in it?

[bold dove]

Nerva leans close to Rockwell. Rockwell thinks he's giving him a kiss, but before he knew it, Nerva says.

"You can save 50% more on car insurance with Geico"

[mental basin]

He was then ripped limb from limb by a rabbid seagull

[bold dove]

Honestly, I've been thinking of making a Rockwell x Nerva shitpost fanfic

And DM'ing it to Jat and Jesse

[gusty turret]

Could you live with yourself if you did

[bold dove]

Yes

Actually, I think I'd sleep better if I did make it

[gusty turret]

Oh? Does Rockwell and Nerva keep you up at night?

[bold dove]

Yes 👀

[arctic bison]

"burns eyes with bleach" enough Ark chat for tonight

[bold dove]

'Flobs' is the sound Rockwell makes to Nerva.

[small rune]

[bold dove]

And you

[arctic bison]

Watch it end up on the community crunch 💀

[bold dove]

HAHAHA!
That means they love it.

[mental basin]

I mean I rickrolled Dollie once

[small rune]

[bold dove]

Holy shit, send screenshots!

[arctic bison]

kill me please

[mental basin]

That was like a year ago 💀

[bold dove]

Find it!

[gusty turret]

In the sarcoid cathedral of the antigod, we endured his seismic wrath.

Thunderous peals of his fury buffeted us.

Who were we to defy his cosmic malignity?

He promised we would submit one way or another, as something crawled up my back and attached itself to my head.

I felt my will to resist being drained away, and fell to my knees as the entirety of our environment roared in triumph.

It assured me I would go now to dig up more of the prima materia that belonged to him.

[bold dove]

Or I'll inject you with flaming hot cheetos!

[gusty turret]

Tell me that isn't pure teen angst

[compact zenith]

[small rune]

[mental basin]

Sealed away forever

[arctic bison]

Saber tlc leaked from Ark 2?

[bold dove]

I'm going to get back to my Unreal-5 stuff, but after that I might make a ARK fanfic

[gusty turret]

I can't wait to fight Rockwell again in Ark 2

[arctic bison]

You want to fight ashes? Get a vase and collect it as a limited edition Pokemon

[gusty turret]

Um actually it's an Ark fanfic

[bold dove]

ARK*

[gusty turret]

No

[bold dove]

There's no lowercase rk in it's title

ARK: Survival Evolved

[gusty turret]

You're in the title

[mental basin]

[laugh track]

FED: URE?

URE: What?

FED: Where's the Genesis-Ship destination?

[laugh track]

URE: The Ship goes right there. See, I drew it with a magic marker.

[laugh track]

FED: You were supposed to store the coordinates in the simulation.

URE: Dude, I'm gonna!

FED: Oh really?

URE: Yes!

FED: So go get the launch terminal from Arat Prime!

URE: Okay, I will! tcch

[bumps into airlock]

[laugh track]

[rattles the airlock, turns around, paws the airlock]

URE: ...I see the problem.

FED: Oh, do ya?!

[laugh track]

[bold dove]

Thanks.

I love the idea of the URE being idiots.

?

[mental basin]

Stroke

[bold dove]

wha?

[mental basin]

Humanism and Transhumanism are real things so I've found out

[arctic bison]

We already knew

[mental basin]

Humanists weren't just humans, they believed that humanity was on top
Reverse for le Transhumanists

[gusty turret]

Yeah apparently me learning that helped a bunch of other people here learn that or something

[mental basin]

I'll have to add that to the funky lore recap supercut

Me when I get to write about ARK lore again

[gusty turret]

I wanna taste one of Rockwell's tentacles

[mental basin]

Pause

[bold dove]

Yeah, aren't the URE basically just militarized hippies?

[mental basin]

YES

[arctic bison]

"leaves"

[gusty turret]

Pretty much

[bold dove]

Terran Federation is also like any other generic military force in the world.
Cause 'money'

[mental basin]

AND I have a funky theory about them and the HomoDeus

Helena says that HomoDeus made the System
But Uma and the Transhumans were making the System at the end of Santiago's 2.0's story

[gusty turret]

My funky theory is haha gods are real and that's where element came from

[mental basin]

The HomoDeus are also extremely hush hush according to Nida kekeke

[bold dove]

Okay, so in my lore-rewrite of ARK's story. It isn't out of place to have the URE as humans that want to advance humanity by becoming one with the universe, even if it means letting go of their ethics?

[mental basin]

Therefore
The Transhumans started to ascend into HomoDeus around the point of San2iago's death

As they didn't exist in his time

[gusty turret]

I don't think thats a rewrite i think thats just what happened

[mental basin]

Uma never brought it up, as she didn't have to

[bold dove]

Really now?

[mental basin]

Yeah that's literally what happened

Become a human supercomputer at the expense of your emotion, so it seems

And then the next step, HomoDeus, also expended your entire physical forme

AND I KNOW it's the Transhumans who became HomoDeus, and I can prove it with one sliver of information

[bold dove]

Yeah, cause fuck ethics, am I right?
Not like it keeps us in check with death and destruction. Nah, fuck it.

[gusty turret]

Ethics are for poopy heads

[bold dove]

Okay, so what's up with the Federation?
They just like money?

[gusty turret]

Good question

Gen 2 Santiago sure doesn't know

[mental basin]

You guys remember how Helena had far above average brain activity, as stated by Santiago on Ext?

[bold dove]

Gen-2 Santiago doesn't know shit

[bold dove]

Yep

[mental basin]

So do the Transhumans. That's their entire point of being.

That literally seals the coffin.

[bold dove]

So was she a transhuman beforehand?

[mental basin]

Nonono

[gusty turret]

So whats your point? Helena isn't real?

[mental basin]

Helena and the Transhumans share a common trait

Exceptional cognitive function

[gusty turret]

Neddy the noodle is a transhuman

[bold dove]

Hmm...
Maybe she has a special mutation within her genes that the URE later used after they dug her up?

[mental basin]

Though Helena's cognitive function is obviously beneath the Transhumans, it was high enough to allow her to Ascend

Does that make sense?

[bold dove]

So she just has big-brain.

[gusty turret]

Is Noodle his last name or how does that work

[mental basin]

YES! That's exactly it.

[bold dove]

Damn, imagine having such a powerful brain.
But still being a fucking idiot

[mental basin]

We're talking about game Helena, not that TAS Creature

[bold dove]

Yeah....I was too

[gusty turret]

Guys please I'm trying to discuss NeddytheNoodle lore

[mental basin]

Tis the joke

[bold dove]

She's a idiot in-game.

[mental basin]

Yeah but she's as bearable as KH3 Sora in the TAS trailers

If you've ever played KH3

[bold dove]

Okay, so Helena was quite literally built different due to a genetic mutation that made her factually smarter then most humans?

[mental basin]

Well not necessarily a mutation

Some people are just born with higher cognitive ability

[bold dove]

Wouldn't that be a slight mutation with the neurons?

[mental basin]

Let me look

[bold dove]

Cause mutations are what're needed to evolve

[mental basin]

Sí, it's a mutation

[bold dove]

Okay, I was in fact using that correctly.

[mental basin]

I find this link to be absolutely incredible
I'm gonna try to write a Short for Neddy to put it in

[bold dove]

Cause then that brain mutation can be passed down with her kids, and possibly make our species naturally smarter.

[mental basin]

Where the fuck is my brain mutation huh

[bold dove]

Mood.
We got the shit end of the stick

[mental basin]

Nearly a 4.0 yet I understand nothing

[bold dove]

I got a body-weight mutation

[mental basin]

Me when I have near perfect grades but don't understand what I'm doing in the slightest

[small rune]

Give me your knowledge

I must obtain this

[bold dove]

Okay, hear me out.
Not lore related, but it'd be cool to see mutations expanded in ARK-2 and actually have a physical change on creatures. Then they're truly evolving and adapting.

[gusty turret]

I also have that

[bold dove]

Okay, I unironically had this like two years ago.
I graduated from school, and I had to do one last big test with Algebra.
Thing is, to this day I have no fucking idea how Algebra works. But I somehow got like a 96% on my score.

[mental basin]

"If you're serious, you can accomplish anything through diligent application of science. –Byakuya Ishigami"

I am not serious in the slightest I dunno I just like Dr. Stone

[bold dove]

Dr. Stone is cool

[small rune]

I need no effort option

[bold dove]

That sounds boring as all balls

[mental basin]

Be ridiculously nice to your teacher and they'll take pity upon you

[bold dove]

TRUE

[mental basin]

[small rune]

I did they still failed me

[mental basin]

My ass turning in an assignment 3 weeks late and getting full credit because my teachers like me

[mental basin]

Arson

Off to- get this- take a shower. I'm the only ARK player on record to bathe.

[bold dove]

Not lore related, but I hope we get recruitable NPC's in ARK-2.

Sons of the Forest has shown me that smart NPC's can work in a online game

[gusty turret]

Showering in your own sweat while breeding only to reset your save data doesn't count

[bold dove]

And now I want a clan of Aratai's

[small rune]

We all know we gona end up wiping out the aratai on there own planet
Human go brrrr

[bold dove]

Yeah, but if we're to recruit them. Then we can at least have some straggles surviving with the none-ass humans

[pseudo nimbus]

@bold dove interrogation or assimilation, which should we use on the aratai

[bold dove]

Assimilation.
At least with assimilating, they can be used as slaves.

See?
HLN-A agrees

Slavery is fine, as long it isn't humans

We do it all the time with animals

[compact zenith]

Do slave from Rockwell is ok then

[bold dove]

Since he's no longer human, ethically, metaphorically, and biologically, then yeah it's safe. 👍

[gusty turret]

I wouldn't consider like someone who walks into Chernobyl and walks out with a few extra limbs unhuman

They're just a freak of nature

[gusty turret]

Like you would still consider the teenage mutant ninja turtles turtles right?

[pseudo nimbus]

No

[pseudo nimbus]

They are called "epigenetically modified reptilian adolescents with Japanese stealth training"

[bold dove]

No

They're physically turtles, but biologically no longer turtles.

You are, by definition, no longer human if you don't have human DNA or genes.

If element rewrote all of that with Rockwell, he's no longer human.

[gusty turret]

But what defines human

[bold dove]

Human biology.

We're not getting into bullshit metaphorical shit.

A Aratai isn't human cause it resembles a human, hints why it's called human'oid'
They might have similar personalities and interests, which is nice. But they're not human, they're Aratai's

Just like how we're not Aratai's, we're human.
Cause we have human biology and DNA.
We're in the hominid family, and evolved from the great-apes.
Humanity isn't some philosophical shit people make it out to be. What those people mostly think of is 'sapient's'
But if you remove someone's free will and consciousness, they're still biologically human.

@gusty turret Sent you Human biology.

So no.
Rockwell isn't human.

Just like what it means to be a cow is to have the biology of a cow.
We humans are hella smart, but that doesn't instantly make us entitled to to separate ourselves from what humanity is other then a species.
It isn't a mindset, a mentality, or a moral thing. It's all biology.

[rain dock]

I met a person who told me that dolphins should be considered human because they were smart.

[arctic bison]

ain't no way

[bold dove]

Tell me their names and I will come to their house and backhand them

[rain dock]

Lol

That is the value of a good definition lol. Without it people think dolphins and chimpanzees are human

Like maybe they are smart, and maybe they can communicate or have rational thought, but that isn't human

[bold dove]

I'm not sure about you Raq. But it always makes me question people when they say shit like "But what defines human"
Like 'BRUH!' genetics and DNA does, our biology is what makes us human. Not some goddamn metaphorical mindset 'we' humans made up.

[rain dock]

I guess it's kind of due to the lack of a word that describes intelligence other than human lol

[bold dove]

I will gladly accept a dolphin as another sapient being on our planet that I can have a cup of tea with.
But I will never call them 'human' cause that'd be factually incorrect.

[rain dock]

It's been too long with the European idea that humans are the peak of evolution, that the idea of a smart intelligent creature is human somehow makes sense to people

[bold dove]

Sentients and sapient's exist.

[bold dove]

Goddamn it, this is why we need to rewrite our school system.

[sick canyon]

Plot twist: the dolphins then show up at you house

[bold dove]

If they want cookies, I'll give them some.

[rain dock]

Other than the fact that it is a century outdated?

[bold dove]

Other then that, yeah.

To teach that there isn't anything that makes a human metaphorically. The word you're looking for is 'sapient' not 'human'

[rain dock]

If dolphins could talk to us and were as intelligent as us, they still wouldn't be human. They would be intelligent. Being human does not mean we have a monopoly on intelligence lol

[bold dove]

Exactly!
Being human is a biological trait.

[rain dock]

Metaphor is always the worst way to define things

[rain dock]

Could be. Generally sapient is used to relate to humans lol

[bold dove]

If a dolphin suddenly woke up in a human body with all human traits, then they'd arguably be human.
But I don't see that being possible, even if dolphins start to live among humans

[bold dove]

Nah.
Making out everything as food is a great metaphor.

[rain dock]

Metaphor is only good to explain definitions and ideas. But metaphors always break

[bold dove]

Explaining math with peppers is pretty poggers.

[bold dove]

True

Cause metaphors aren't suppose to be taken literal, no?

That's what a metaphor is.

[rain dock]

Until you try to explain calculus using peppers. There comes a point that you have to go beyond metaphor in order to understand things. It really is kind of sad how many people can't reach that level

[bold dove]

Fair.

(and this shows again that we need to update our fucking schooling)

[rain dock]

Metaphor gets the starting idea, but has no precision and disregards real context

[bold dove]

TL:DR, Rockwell isn't fucking human metaphorically, literally, biologically, and objectively. He's a weird calamari mutant that's in his own class of animal.

[rain dock]

Tbh, school can't teach intelligence. That has to happen at home

[rain dock]

That's what he considers himself too

[bold dove]

Fuck it, let only smart people have biological children.

[bold dove]

Right!
He literally even states he's no longer human, he's more

[rain dock]

Lol, good luck with that

[bold dove]

"I remember when I was once one of your 'kinds'"

Rockwell racist confirmed?

[rain dock]

Yeah, he doesn't consider himself human, because he is at least smart enough to know that he isnt

[bold dove]

Damn, Rockwell is in fact smarter then most average Americans. 💀

And that fucker is from the 18th century.

[rain dock]

Noticing differences isn't racist. Being judgemental or arrogant because of superficial differences is what racism is

[bold dove]

I know, I was joking

Rockwell is objectively more capable of a living-organism then humans are. Since he has space-magic running through his veins, and can turn metal into flesh.

[rain dock]

I mean, most people today can't even understand 18th century science or philosophy. Like yeah, it was hundreds of years ago, but some of those guys were incredibly smart. Could easily give Einstein a run for his money

[bold dove]

Van Gogh is a chad. (not a scientist, but fucking love his art/story)

[rain dock]

I mean, when Newton tried to explain the universe he invented the mathematics to do so, when Einstein tried to, he had to borrow the math from someone else

[rain dock]

I know he is an artist but other than that I know nothing about the guy lol. I am not into art really

[bold dove]

Neither am I.

I just love him cause he's one of the first artists to truly put their emotions into paintings, and the man had a fucked up life.

[sick canyon]

Rockwell was literally the most respected individual on the island
He successfully manipulated tribes to get his own way on multiple occasions

[rain dock]

People say there is emotion in art, and that's what makes it good. I argue that there isn't emotion in art lol, it's just colors on a paper

If art was about emotion, then it wouldn't sell for so much money

[bold dove]

The emotion isn't the painting itself, but of the 'why' the individual made it in the first place.

[bold dove]

That isn't the artist fault (most of the time)
Van Gogh died with the expectations that his art was worthless and he was a piece of shit human being that deserved to go.

[rain dock]

Used to be that when you asked people "what are people going to do when ai takes all the jobs" they would say do art. Until now they figured out that ai can also do art, and soon it'll probably be better than the majority of artists

[bold dove]

Issue is, AI takes references from existing art. So if there's no new human-made art, then what AI-art can make is finite.

[rain dock]

I mean, not to discredit his work or anything, but most art is worthless so he wasn't wrong 😂😂

[bold dove]

You Raqkaaq, have fucking hit a nerve.

[rain dock]

That is like saying that chat gpt references existing sentances. Like yes. But what makes an ai an ai is it's ability to extrapolate from past work and make something new

[rain dock]

Lol, I do that to people.

[bold dove]

Yep, and it's best to stop talking at that point

[rain dock]

Well, a lot of it is probably due to me not understanding other people lol. Like I have a different view of what is important than most people, and art just doesn't fit into that

[bold dove]

That unironically sounds like Autism.

[rain dock]

I mean, maybe

Or it's just a different perspective

I am not culturally the same as the majority of the human population

[bold dove]

And I have the same issue.
I don't understand some shit others do.
But I at least fucking 'TRY' to learn why they like/enjoy it, and not proceed to shit on it just cause 'I' don't understand it. 💀

[rain dock]

I mean, I am not trying to do that lol

I just don't think that effort alone makes a thing valuable

[bold dove]

.

Value isn't just money

There's also the emotional value of something.
Or the history value, or the cultural value.

[rain dock]

Value is usefulness. Most art has no use because most artists really do lack imagination

If the art is useful to teach children history, or be better people then it is valuable