lore-nerdz

[bold dove]

Now the question is.
How do I play them chronologically. 🤔

[stray storm]

TRUE!

I'd imagine pixark is first, then maybe ark-park, then sotf, then the kids mode

[bold dove]

Which simulation was first.

[bold dove]

I could also see ARK-Park being first. Since it could be a recreation of Earth during the tek-era.

[stray storm]

so then where would pixark fall?

[bold dove]

Earliest Simulation prototype.

[stray storm]

thousands of years in the future and they go with pixel graphics

[bold dove]

Maybe started as a form of entertainment during the Tek-War, but turned into a full blown simulation you can fully live in during the Collapse.

[bold dove]

To be fair, we still go with pixel graphics even though we have much better.

Look at Minecraft.

[stray storm]

yeah, I do notice that a lot of recent indie games tend to go with more classic graphics. it's like everyone wanted realism, then all started going back

[bold dove]

Cause people realized the graphics don't mean good gameplay.

You can still have a realistic gameplay with cartoonish graphics.

[stray storm]

pretty much. a good artstyle and art direction will always be better than hyper realistic graphics

[bold dove]

ARK is graphically a good looking game.
But it's artstyle is a mixture of realistic, and cartoonish.

[stray storm]

yeah, especially the earlier parts of the game(the artstyle)

the more recent dinos are a lot more realistic

[bronze turtle]

Yup, it does look really nice. Some of the old textures are a bit rough though.

[bold dove]

I did also just watch a movie called "The Sea Beast" that is very interesting with its artstyle.
It has pretty realistic textures and hair, and everything looks good.
But the proportions of the characters are still very cartoonish.

Hang on, I'll send you an image.

[bold dove]

Lighting and the textures look pretty damn good.
But then the cartoon parts come into play with the proportions, and the character design.

[stray storm]

yeah, like the carchaahrarerrar (misspelled on purpose) roar has the wind effects around the roar. same with the rex and yuty

[minor osprey]

is there a good place to go to read all the notes in series?

[bold dove]

Survival Stories on Youtube

[pseudo nimbus]

So ark park pixark and kid mode ark are canon?

[bold dove]

Yep

[quaint marsh]

The wiki, it has em all

[glad dirge]

If the genesis survivor and the ark survivor are two different people

Then why does genesis survivor have HLNA if it was made for the ark survivor after completing extinction

[plain plover]

Because HLN-A wasn’t made for the Ark Survivor

[bold dove]

Cause she wasn't made for us

[glad dirge]

But it was given to the ark survivor

Or at least made infront of them without any mention of a genesis survivor

[bold dove]

Given doesn't mean created for

[bold dove]

That trailer is no longer canon with Genesis-2

[glad dirge]

It isn’t?

[bold dove]

Cause she's been on the ship longer then we where.

The trailer can't be canon if she was created years before we came aboard.

[glad dirge]

Also then how did the genesis survivor obtain HLN A

[bold dove]

She found us

[glad dirge]

Wasn’t she homo deus which meant she couldn’t die, and that’s why we met her hundreds of years later?

[bold dove]

That's Helena

HLN-A is a different entity.

[glad dirge]

And wasn’t HLN-A made by Helena

[bold dove]

Correct.
But one was human, and one is an AI

[lyric tendon]

Homo Deus is not stable, she is not really immortal

In her SE trailer, her emotions faded, hence she made HLNA as to keep that said memories and emotions

[glad dirge]

Yes but Helena was on the ark, how did she get HLN-A onto the gen ship

[bold dove]

She wasn't on the ARK at that point

If you need to asks these. You might wanna refresh on your notes.

[lyric tendon]

She became Homo Deus AFTER ARK when she is on Earth/Extinction

[glad dirge]

But didn’t genesis happen at the same time as ark

[lyric tendon]

?

I think you mix the timelines buddy

The Gen Ship is already in space when she already on Earth

[bold dove]

Again, you should refresh on the notes if you need to asks these.

[glad dirge]

Yeh she was on earth and the gen ship was in the middle of space, she created HLN-A on earth, so how did it get on the gen ship?

[lyric tendon]

No

[bold dove]

She created her on the ship.

[glad dirge]

That’s what I’m doing, I have notes, they don’t add up, I ask questions to fix them.

[bold dove]

Did you read them in order?

[lyric tendon]

Ok the timeline is this

Helena became HD on Earth > We beat Ext > She goes to Arat Prime to the Gen Ship to warn them about Element > Rockwell Follows after Ab is crashed > Glitches Intensifies> HD Helena made HLNA

[glad dirge]

Yes, but today I found out the extinction ascension seen isn’t canon which means I have to relearn a whole lot of stuff

[bold dove]

She created her before that.

Remember, Nida found her.

[lyric tendon]

No, the Ext ascension is canon but not connected to Genesis

[bold dove]

What?

[glad dirge]

How so?

[lyric tendon]

When was Nida found her tho? IIRC the breach is already noted before she met HLNA

[lyric tendon]

The Ascensions are our story, not really Helena the Human

[bold dove]

She met her pretty early on if I recall.

She met HLN-A within the simulation

[lyric tendon]

I thought the breach first then she met HLNA then Nida connected the dots where she blamed HLNA for the breach

[bold dove]

Thought the breach was Rockwell

[lyric tendon]

I thought that as well before the whole AMA with Peter

[bold dove]

Goddamit HLN-A, you fucking made a breach

Also, HLN-A got catears.

[lyric tendon]

More like #BlameHelena part 2: Genesis Boogaloo

[bold dove]

Her antennas look like catears.

[brazen sparrow]

HLN-A is on the ship before Rockwell, and the Genesis pass trailer is plenty canon as we don't know how long it could've taken for us to be uploaded to a host body on the ship and plugged into the simulation (although, as we've talked about before, the decision of us being the same survivor from Extinction is fully up to the player to decide.) The part where we are walking around on the Arks with HLN-A may or may not be canon as we could very well be in a simulation of those Arks where there's the Genesis Chronicles notes and such, it's not out of the realm of possibility

[dim palm]

There’s no canon reason why we don’t see the other two guardians and the overseer in scorched earth right? It’s just because it was a half assed product? Cuz in the lore we should’ve fought all three guardians and it’s own overseer just like the island, and it should have a tek cave an everything

[brazen sparrow]

There was never three guardians and a tek cave on Scorched

[dim palm]

I’m talking about lore wise

All arks have 3 guardians created and managed by an overseer

Even aberration had that before it was nuked

What I’m saying is that there’s no canon reason as to why we don’t fight the other two guardians and it’s overseer

I just want to get feedback, I guess

[brazen sparrow]

That's where you're wrong, they don't "all" have the same rules, that's never been the case

[dim palm]

What do you mean?

[brazen sparrow]

Exactly what I said, lol

[dim palm]

I mean like

[brazen sparrow]

There is no confirmed ruleset for the Arks, aside from the part where the Overseer will wipe you if you get complacent and want to just live on the Ark forever, like it did to the Scorched tribes

[dim palm]

Aberration also had an overseer and 3 guardians

Survivors are supposed to challenge the overseer to ascend

Ascending after just beating a single guardian doesn’t make sense

[brazen sparrow]

Yes, and the tek tribe hacked their way into the Overseer fight and tek nuked him, causing the Ark to fail in many systems, including not spawning the guardians anymore (which is thought to be an Overseer-operated function, hence why it breaks when they die)

[brazen sparrow]

Sure it does, we already know the Overseer can turn into any of the guardians from the Island fight, maybe the Manticore is the Overseer and there are no guardians. Or maybe it's just not explained to us for other reasons

[dim palm]

I’m pretty sure the manticore isn’t the overseer. Overseers are implant shaped and tek. If the overseer was the manticore, it would look like how it did when the island’s overseer transformed into it’s guardians

There’s no reason for scorched earth to not have 3 guardians and there’s no reason for us to not fight it’s overseer

Every ark has a tek cave

Scorched does not

[brazen sparrow]

You haven't fought the Overseer, then, or played Abberation

[dim palm]

Um what

Aberration is my favorite map

[brazen sparrow]

Aberration has no tek cave, and the Overseer on the Island becomes the Island guardians during the fight lmao

[dim palm]

I know

And aberration does have a tek cave

[brazen sparrow]

So, what you said is wrong

[dim palm]

It’s just not labeled as such

[brazen sparrow]

Where is it?

[dim palm]

Red zone

[brazen sparrow]

That's not a tek cave

[dim palm]

Yes, it is

[brazen sparrow]

Normal cave with tek structures in it lol, just like the Island and Scorched have

[dim palm]

And I know the overseer turns into the different creatures I literally said it here

If the overseer turned into what the manticore was, it would be made of floating hexagons

[brazen sparrow]

Not necessarily

[dim palm]

Just like the three guardians on the island

[brazen sparrow]

And where did you say that

I must've missed it

[dim palm]

Here

Overseers are implant shaped

It would look like how they looked on the island

I said that there

[brazen sparrow]

There's nothing saying that the Overseer isn't the Manticore, it's more likely than just Wildcard not including another 3 bosses and an unnecessary tek cave. Rockwell is an Overseer and guardian of Aberration, after all

[dim palm]

I know that much

But the reason is very specific

I personally think we don’t have the other 3 bosses and the tek cave because scorched was rushed and half assed

[pseudo nimbus]

Why does every ark have to have 3 guardians @dim palm? Just because that's what the island follows, dosent mean every other map follows that

[dim palm]

No they have the three guardians to prepare for the titans

[pseudo nimbus]

No?

[dim palm]

Yes

[pseudo nimbus]

Not necessarily no?

[dim palm]

…yes

[pseudo nimbus]

Source?

[dim palm]

What do you think the point of them fighting massive bosses was for?

For fun?

[pseudo nimbus]

Ok but they never said it had to be 3

[dim palm]

No, it’s so that they could get strong enough to kill the titans and save earth

[pseudo nimbus]

The only rule the arks have to follow with bosses, is 1 overseer, and we aren't even sure about that

@bold dove

[dim palm]

The overseer is required

When the overseer of ab was nuked the ark started to break

[pseudo nimbus]

They never said 3 guardians, just 1 overseer

[dim palm]

Arks can’t function without an overseer

[pseudo nimbus]

Yes, that's why Rockwell became overseer

[dim palm]

Why don’t we fight the overseer of scorched, then?

[dim palm]

I know

[pseudo nimbus]

...because we don't have to directly fight an overseer to ascend? It's when the overseer think we are worthy is when we ascend

[dim palm]

What’s the source?

[pseudo nimbus]

Where's the source saying we have to directly fight 3 guardians and a tek cave?

There was no evidence of pre nuke ab having guardians other then overseer, they teleported directly to overseer

[dim palm]

Can I dm it to you?

I have a screeenshot but like, I can’t post photos here

[pseudo nimbus]

Sure

[brazen sparrow]

There is, actually, but they hacked past them. Still doesn't prove his point though, lol

[dim palm]

The three guardians were for the three elemental titans, and the overseer was for the king titan

It wouldn’t make sense for an ark to have only 1 guardian, because that wouldn’t prepare survivors for the titans

I’m not saying I’m right, I’m just saying what makes sense to me

[brazen sparrow]

That's a fair take, all I'm saying is that no where in the whole of Ark lore is there a stated rule for how many guardians there is/isn't supposed to be, maybe on some wiki somewhere, but we both know how much we can trust wikis and the like...

[dim palm]

Of course

That’s true

[brazen sparrow]

(Also, for the record, there was reportedly thousands of titans at one point, so take that as you will)

[bitter crater]

Don't forget you can edit wikis and fix the issues instead of just ranting about them and not doing anything more.

[brazen sparrow]

Why would I edit a defunct wiki?

[dim palm]

But I mean if they ever remade ark 1 in ark 2’s engine, would you be opposed or would you be for them adding a tek cave and the other bosses to scorched?

[brazen sparrow]

The Wildcard accepted wiki is all I need, tbh

[dim palm]

@brazen sparrow

[bitter crater]

Official wiki is still maintained primarily by the community.

It's in the name too.

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, and? There's not nearly as much glaringly obvious speculation/flat out lies in the official one was my point 😅

[brazen sparrow]

If they did that, I imagine many more things about the game would be changed than just those

[bitter crater]

maybe on some wiki somewhere, but we both know how much we can trust wikis and the like...
Not really clear which wiki you meant then.

[dim palm]

Oh absolutely, but would you be opposed to it? Like, would you rather keep it basically the same?

[brazen sparrow]

Well, we are getting an ascension for Scorched soon, so idk yet, have to wait and see

[dim palm]

Wait and see what?

[brazen sparrow]

Whether or not I'd want it changed or the same

[dim palm]

What are you waiting for though

[brazen sparrow]

Can't judge an ascension I haven't experienced, now, can I?

[dim palm]

Ohh

I watched it on YouTube

[steep knot]

so... you mean that it's good or it's bad? I honestly can't tell

[dim palm]

It was amazing. It actually adds a bit of lore in the ascension

I would reccomend watching it unless you want to experience it for yourself

But you’re in for a ride

[brazen sparrow]

So did I, but that's not the whole experience. Do we get levels from it? Is there an expanded intro to the boss fight? How does it play, the same? Or is it harder? Etc etc.

So far, the ascension looks fitting/right, but I don't know if it feels right, I guess

There's more to it than just the presentation, at least for me

[lyric tendon]

i woke up to the most mind-numbing thread i have ever seen

WTF

i dont think "it has to be 3 guardians" all the time, remember the Overseer does what it thinks would test the people reside, hence it has to summon BOTH Mantises and Wyverns at the same time to end Nosti's progress

compared to a Giga, in the Island

we haven't sure why the access to the SE Tek Cave stopped after Rockwell and Helena's or Timur didn't just auto ascend like the rest of us

but it all comes down to #BlameHelena

[dim palm]

I like the fact that || we are ascending to a new ark but we get glitched out of it and sent to aberration instead. It shows that something caused that to happen.||

[brazen sparrow]

Same here. ||There's a theory out there that it's Helena that did that, because she wants us to put an end to Rockwell's suffering and knows that Aberration is the only map that will allow us to get to Earth via the portal. Pretty cool if true||

[dim palm]

||Not only that but if they didn’t end Rockwell, when the arks returned to earth (if they ever would have) Rockwell would have been able to do stuff||

It would have been ||the Rockwell ring on genesis all over again, except the entirety of earth this time||

[brazen sparrow]

What if I told you

That that did happen

[dim palm]

Bruh

[brazen sparrow]

||But he transferred himself to the ship from Arat Prime, the launch site of the Genesis ship and the same place where Helena-Deus uploads us and HLN-A to it||

[dim palm]

||oh yeah I forgot about that||

[frail dragon]

what's the lore behind brood having spiky eyes

[dim palm]

It’s very angry

[frail dragon]

but those are literal spike eyes

[dim palm]

Send a photo

[bold dove]

The source is called 'the new fucking Scorched ending'

[dim palm]

I think that’s more of a laziness thing than a canonical thing

It’s cheaper to add a cinematic than add 2 more guardians, an overseer, and a tek cave

[bold dove]

It's canonical now.

[dim palm]

Just saying

[bold dove]

Just like how PixARK, ARK-Park, and the kids-mode are canon

[dim palm]

Um

Alright bro 👍

[bold dove]

HLN-A confirms this

[dim palm]

I’m sorry but how is a blocky world canon

[arctic bison]

a genesis simulation

[bold dove]

A early-version of the Genesis-simulation

[dim palm]

Ah

Alr

[bold dove]

Kids-mode is the Genesis-simulation for the kids on the Genesis-ship.
And ARK-Park is a locked up, forever forgotten simulation.

[dim palm]

Just saying I don’t think them finally adding an ascension cinematic after 6 years is enough to justify your claim

[bold dove]

It's their story, and their rules. 🤷

[dim palm]

It’s never explicitly said that the overseer ascended them. I wouldn’t consider it canon, since there’s no way to see how it happened

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, the overseer doesn't ascend you.

Helena and Mei never had to deal with the overseer.
They just clicked a few buttons on a terminal.

[dim palm]

By saying that you imply that they would have had to deal with him

[bold dove]

I do think they should've made a whole tek-cave

[bold dove]

Why would it imply that?
I literally just stating the opposite.

Mei and Helena never even saw an overseer

[dim palm]

Helena and mei never had to deal with him because they pressed buttons

[bold dove]

Yep

[dim palm]

Um

Do you hear yourself

[bold dove]

That's how the note ends.

[dim palm]

What I’m saying

Is that you basically said if they DIDNT press buttons, they would have had to deal with him

[bold dove]

If that's how you interpret that, then sure.
But they wouldn't need to, since Nerva already defeated the overseer by that time. And he didn't ascend.

[dim palm]

He probably didn’t deem him worthy

[bold dove]

Funny.
Cause Mei stabbed him and fucked with a terminal, and it ascended both of them on Aberration

[dim palm]

Where did they ascend to?

[bold dove]

'Aberration'

[dim palm]

Oh I mis read it

[frail dragon]

does that mean atlas is canon too

[bold dove]

No, cause they stated years ago that Atlas is its own universe.

[dim palm]

See, they probably messed with something in the ark systems

[frail dragon]

with ark carno that can be summoned with comands

[bold dove]

Welcome to using another game to make a game

You can spawn Half-Life 2 weapons in Portal-1

[dim palm]

I’m just saying by using your logic about the scorched earth cinematic being added, that carno would be important

[frail dragon]

and dinosaurs that are yuty x deino hybrid, tickle chicken x trike hybrid and pteranodon x tropeo hybrid

[dim palm]

I’m just saying just because they add something doesn’t explicitly explain what’s canon or not

[bold dove]

Right.
But it's the closest we'll ever get with Wildcard.

[dim palm]

I’m just saying you shouldn’t assume we don’t have to fight the overseer

Like I said, it’s cheaper to add a cinematic than change the map to add a tek cave and the overseer

[frail dragon]

also why does the place in exts cutscene look like val

[bold dove]

Again, if Helena, Mei, and Rockwell didn't have to. Then it's already more or less confirmed that we don't have to fight an overseer every ARK to ascend.

[dim palm]

They pressed buttons right? They probably messed with the ark systems

They even highjack aberration to get sent to earth

[bold dove]

If the ARK's didn't want survivors to touch terminals in the hall of history. They shouldn't allow you to, then.

[dim palm]

Idk man

[frail dragon]

and why is the island sized like the sanctuary even though it's actually a bit bigger than the whole ext and roughly the same size as val

[dim palm]

Wdym?

[frail dragon]

u can see the island landing in sanctuary and it just ddestroys it and some parts of the wasteland

[bold dove]

Don't mind him.
He's a troll.

This man thinks console commands are canon.

[dim palm]

If you look out where it would land in extinction, you see a massive fricken crater

It’s massive

[frail dragon]

mei yin cheat-spawned a giga in a bossfight

[dim palm]

That’s where it landed

[frail dragon]

when it lane the skyscrapers broke

[dim palm]

What 😭

[frail dragon]

it landed on the fucking sanctuary

[dim palm]

No it didn’t

[frail dragon]

it did

[dim palm]

The shockwave broke sanctuary

None of the pillars landed in sanctuary

[frail dragon]

even if it id when u spectate the crater is 2 times smaller than ext

[dim palm]

Idk what to tell you 🤷‍♂️

[frail dragon]

homo deus have creative mod on

after ascending on ext u don't get the flight, invisibility and god mode abilities

[dim palm]

Do you hear yourself

[frail dragon]

so cheat spectare is lore canon

[dim palm]

Bro

What

If they have god mode why can’t they exist in our plane of existence permanently?

[brazen sparrow]

Just
Ignore
The troll

[dim palm]

I can’t tell if he’s trying to troll tho

[frail dragon]

they starved to death

[bold dove]

(ironic)

[brazen sparrow]

He is

[bold dove]

He is.
Or he's really, really, really fucking dumb

[brazen sparrow]

It's very obvious that he is

[frail dragon]

in god mode u can still starve or dehydrate

[dim palm]

Dude they don’t need to eat

[bold dove]

Hang on, let me get an admin.

[dim palm]

They are literally conscious-data beings

[frail dragon]

drown

[dim palm]

What

[bold dove]

Damn, that didn't scare him off

[frail dragon]

they tried to tame an otter

or a duck

[dim palm]

What are you on about

[bold dove]

[frail dragon]

and drowned because a kapro grabbed then

[brazen sparrow]

Now he's just getting delirious

[frail dragon]

them

[dim palm]

Are you okay

I think he’s having a stroke

[frail dragon]

they could also overheat or freeze to death fighting ice or desert titan

debuffs still work

[small rune]

[dim palm]

Where is he getting this information from

[small rune]

Let’s just keep on topic of the channel

[dim palm]

Alright

What do y’all think the other Master AI’s could have been for their respective biomes?

[brazen sparrow]

Now THAT is something I would like to talk about

In a little bit here because I'm busy lol

[dim palm]

Alrighty

[mystic spire]

how do kwntrosaurus fit into the lore

[eager raft]

they exist 👍

[daring yarrow]

They shouldn’t

[lyric frost]

Personally I think maybe a mythika type boss for the volcano area, abominable snowman for snow area, and a moss man(He Man) type boss for the bog

A mythika is a cat type mythological creature just for reference

[dim palm]

well, from what weve seen, the only other master ai is a creature that already exists in that biome, just really beefed up

so like, maybe the arctic is a giant polar bear, but who knows 🤷‍♂️

[lyric frost]

Very true very true

[dim palm]

wait why whats wrong with kentrosaurus'

[lyric frost]

I was kinda thinking about a huge arthroplurea or however you spell it the centipede thing for the volcano

[dim palm]

that would be scary

[lyric frost]

Or on top of the huge mountain in the snow biome fighting like a giant ass super buffed ferox

[bold dove]

I just read a old ARK reddit post and someone suggested to 'use a knife to cut out the implant'
Oooooh boi, that did not age well.

The newer ARK-2 trailer makes implants appear that they're 'infused' to our skeletons.

You gotta cut off your whole arm for that shit

[real chasm]

[eager raft]

theoretically you could though

[bold dove]

Not if it's infused to your bone

[eager raft]

cut your

bone off

[bold dove]

That's the bone, not the implant itself

[mild birch]

This game has lore?

[lyric tendon]

🇾 🇪 🇸

[arctic bison]

And a whole lot of lore

[flint grotto]

a looooooooot of it

[bronze turtle]

a lot of lore

[frail dragon]

for swamp probably hiveswarm

in lunar probably a huge attack drone

in volcano a big desmo

or onyc

in arktic a big microraptor

since the ocean boss is based on one of the most annoying dinos in the game all the other ones were annoying as well

[dim palm]

🗿

[dense ice]

what is lore?

[dim palm]

What is l*re? 🤢

[dim palm]

Also what’s wrong with the kentrosaurus

[lyric tendon]

but the important question is

How is lore?

[arctic bison]

I'll give you a better question

Why is Lore?

[plain plover]

Are we all just fleshy blips in a meaningless cosmic stew? Or is it vice-reversa?

[bronze turtle]

yes

[dim palm]

First time?

[brazen sparrow]

Where is Lore?

[bold dove]

Who is lore?

[arctic bison]

When is lore?

[pseudo nimbus]

How Is lore?

[quaint marsh]

There is lore!

[stray storm]

how is there lore?

[glad crow]

When is there lore?

[lyric frost]

What the...

[small rune]

Idk but I’m too scared to ask at this point

[solar bolt]

what is there lore?

[lusty blade]

Wait I just started researching the lore yesterday but can someone pls explain how the hell rockwell got on the genesis ship

[lyric tendon]

TL;DR: #BlameHelena

[lusty blade]

Well now I no longer like Helena

[bold dove]

Good

She got people killed due to her high IQ

[lusty blade]

Same could be said for rockwell but ok

[lyric tendon]

Helena is just borderline unlucky with a lack of foresight

The real dumb move is after Extinction

[bold dove]

Rockwell 'purposely' got others killed.
Helena is just a fucking dunce.

[lyric tendon]

Helena is just that Sonic: The Movie meme where "how are you alive?... I dunno"

She is just lack of hindsight even as a literal energy god

[bold dove]

Always has

[wary ruin]

Always has been

[plain plover]

You were wrong about the fun part

[dry light]

Can't blame you, explorer notes aren't the best at making people interested on it lol

[bold dove]

The floating, giant ass obelisks, and the implant in your arm isn't a giveaway that there's something up?

[glad crow]

If Helena didn't catch on after living on there for (presumably) years, why should we?

[bold dove]

She did, though.

[glad crow]

After seeing the rex, yeah, but it took her a long, long time.

[bold dove]

I wouldn't touch an obelisk either, since I have no fucking idea what I'm messing with.
But messing with something that's within my profession, is something I'll touch.

And when she mentions them in the notes, (the obelisks) the grammar of it hints that she's already seen them before, but never bothered with them.

Also, Helena is the worse example.
Like I stated yesterday. She's fucking dumb.

[glad crow]

Well, I know I'm also dumb, and I'm likely not alone outside this channel.

[bold dove]

The moment you see living samples of the very thing you pride yourself on studying, and 'don't' think there's something sus with this place.
Then I'm sorry, but ye fucking dumb. (in this theoretical situation)

Then in the earlier notes, she states how there's no Tundra biome between the forest and snow-region.
"Hmmmm, I wonder why that can be Helena. Maybe since it breaks the principles of weather and temperature. Maybe it isn't an actual Island"

[glad crow]

With both players and lore people, you could argue that they're too busy surviving.

I know I've been fighting a losing discussion from the start but anyways.

[bold dove]

This is fair.
But everyone takes time to think and have breaks.
And the giant ass obelisks you can always see are something to think about.

[glad crow]

There will always be people to accept things, and those who question them I suppose.

[bold dove]

This is true.
It's why there's people who accept the fact the glaciers are melting, and others who question the 'why' of the melting.

[glad crow]

In both cases, blame human stupidity.

[bold dove]

I don't think questioning something is 'stupidity' but ight

[glad crow]

Not exactly what I was referring to.

I meant both problems that were being questioned. Element and climate change. Element is meant to be a metaphor for climate change right?

Honestly you could disregard that last comment. It doesn't add anything meaningful.

[flint grotto]

did yall know that the raptor in ark isn't a velociraptor, but it more closely resembles a utahraptor

[brazen sparrow]

Real shit???

(Obviously, everyone knows this unless they have brain damage)

[lyric tendon]

TBF she is the sole reason why Rockwell end up in the Gen Ship in the first place so...

[bold dove]

The overuse and harm fossil fuel can be

Not dangerous in small amounts. But hazardous to the planet if mass refined

[quaint marsh]

However, oddities aside, coming to the conclusion that it's a fake island isn't something you do straight away unless you have a pretty creative mind. They aren't completely unheard of on our planet, but you would certainly look for a lot of evidence, not just that this place doesn't quite work in the way you are used to. She was kind of stupid to completely overlook the monolithic extremely highly technological obelisks though, they are a pretty big nod in the right direction.

[bold dove]

Okay, but dinosaurs and floating spires are a pretty dead giveaway that this Island isn't normal

[fair marlin]

I wanna learn the lore, any1 got a good video explaining everything? Dm me it pls

[pulsar sky]

watch neddythenoodle's ark survival stories, so far the island, scorched earth and the first half of aberration have been made with great actors and voice actors.

It explains using the notes and perspectives of the survivors that we read about in-game. Though for lore from extinction onwards, you might have to search a bit for notes being read out.

[lyric frost]

Or just wait til neddy gets the rest out

Which considering how quality those vids are itll prolly be a bit tho

[brazen sparrow]

Pretty sure he said he isn't doing anything Extinction onwards, could be wrong though

[lyric frost]

When did he say that?

[brazen sparrow]

🤷‍♂️

Ask him, or maybe Bootleg

[minor osprey]

which wiki? is there a link?

[rigid palm]

https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/Explorer_Notes

[fallow sapphire]

Was during a quick stream he had, said he wasn’t doing Extinction on

[lyric tendon]

IIRC it's either in one of his Ab updates or the comments in his videos

I mostly heard his decision to not do Ext in the body actor VC

[bold dove]

In his update videos, and livestreams

Yes, he's not doing Extinction

[bronze turtle]

Lore wise is all arks suppose to look like the island map?

[eager raft]

No

the arks are all different and have their own separate environments to test the survivors

that way when a survivor ascends off of one ark they dont know what theyll face next so theyll be challenged

[bold dove]

Yes

Helena states "and as I gazed on. I saw hundreds of other islands just as mine" in her last Island note, or something like that.

[bold dove]

"There, floating outside the window and surrounded by machinery, was the very island that I had been living on, and it too was orbiting high above the Earth along with countless other stations just like it."

There's more or less different 'models' of ARK's

[eager raft]

oh word?

[bold dove]

There's the tropical Island ARK.
The desert ARK's.
And (the now confirmed from the new Aberration intro) Fantasy ARK's.

[eager raft]

ohh ok yeah in the island asc cutscene we do pass an ark identical to the island dont we

[bold dove]

Yeeep.
If you notice, the ARK the survivor tries to throw their hand towards isn't the same Island we just came from.
You can see the ARK we came from in the first second of the ending.

[eager raft]

yeah forgot about that

[plain plover]

If Extinction Survival Stories does happen it will be entirely animated and be choreographed like Pacific Rim

Directed by me

[bold dove]

Do you have choreographic, directing skills, and a budget?

[plain plover]

Budget is $15. Choreograph is in my mind, and I was born ready.

[bold dove]

Ahhh, so in other words 'it'll never happen'

[plain plover]

what was that deal with us needing 4 million to do the love death and robots thing for Rockwell, I already had a pretty good idea of how to do it for free,

[bold dove]

What love death and robots thing?

[plain plover]

remeber during the meeting, I was talking about how if it was up to me I would have had the scenes in Rockwell's lab switch to this ultra-realistic rendered animation of Rockwell's experiments with Element

[bold dove]

Ummmm......I don't recall Ned verbally agreeing to this.
That's be so fucking out of play for once seen to suddenly go hyper-realistic for a few moments, before going back to the ARK-engine, when we've never done/showed that before in the other Survival Stories.

[plain plover]

exactly because it's inferior

[bold dove]

Yes, the unnecessary ultra realistic scene is inferior.
No point in wasting time and resources on that when we could be working on something else.

[plain plover]

if that actually happened people would lose their shit

It would be awesome

another epic troll for the tallies

[bold dove]

And then you'd spoil them for the rest of the video, and then people would want more and not look or appreciate anything else of the video.

[plain plover]

If it was just switching through at random segments, then that's an unfinished animation, but if it specifically switched during those extremely subtle scenes, instead of some poorly lit ark base, then that would be art

I want to pay tribute to ARK's best character

[bold dove]

You should've probably clarified better then.

[bold dove]

When one says 'ultra-realistic' one thinks of graphics that're, you know, 'realistic'
So I thought you where going to retexture or some bullshit to make everything look 'hyper realistic'
Not a seamless transition between the engine and Blender.

[plain plover]

ARK editor or even any ARK assets were not in the question

It's just Rockwell in his damp masturbation chamber with the glow of an element vial illuminating the room.

[bold dove]

Soooo, you wouldn't use the already established look/character we have for Rockwell?

[bold dove]

Oh, so no characters?

[plain plover]

yes Rockwell is there

[bold dove]

And you're not going to use the already established Rockwell we've been using for two years?

[plain plover]

and he would be a realistic looking version of the one you have been playing

like, get real

[bold dove]

So.....'not seamless'

[plain plover]

it would not be bob with a beard

but he will be Rockwell as we know him

[bold dove]

And then it cuts back to the normal looking default survivors for the rest of the video and Part-3.
Yeah, doesn't sound like a good/seamless idea.

[plain plover]

There are multiple scenes in the lab no?

separated by the regular gameplay footage

I don't understand how people wouldn't like that

[bold dove]

That's not seamless.
We haven't introduced this concept in any previous video yet.

[plain plover]

there is a first for everything

People lost their mind over the Veloku concept art, imagine how they would react if that was actually what they got

[bold dove]

I'm going to ask Ned if he agreed on this.

[plain plover]

he didn't

he got as much info about it as you did

we aren't actually doing that

but if it was up to me, I would

[bold dove]

Then why where you treating it like we where.

[plain plover]

Imagine, it would, he would be, if it was

no I was not

you just misinterpreted it.

[bold dove]

You proceeded to ignore the first point of this.

[plain plover]

you guys asked where the 4 million was to do that during the meeting,

you seem to have forgotten that detail

[bold dove]

I was more focused on what Ned was saying while watching your stream

[plain plover]

my point is, I don't need 4 million, but if Ned won't let me make hyper-realistic Rockwell for the thumbnails, then I don't think he would let me do it.

But he isn't making Extinction Surivival Stories, that means I could if I wanted too.

[bold dove]

I'd be a interesting/good concept if it wasn't for the fact we're at the end of the life of the Survival-Stories.

[bold dove]

In theory.
But who're gonna be the voice actors?

[plain plover]

Takeya is voiced by me, Santiago by Keanu Reeves

[bold dove]

[plain plover]

Wake the fuck up Survivor, we've got a Titan to fight.

[bold dove]

Could I voice Newbie?

[plain plover]

yes

In my vision it would be like the notes being narrated

it would be like Pacific Rim

3 videos

Before the storm
Hope
The City of Dust

[bold dove]

Do they each degrade and worsen each video, like Pacific Rim?

[plain plover]

Before the storm would be just Santiago, and it would be like him narrating it, but it doe have some regular dialogue. Goes over the journey of huim building the meks. Ends with him playing free-bird on his laptop and going ham on the titans

[bold dove]

On a more serious note: I have been working on my own project in the backburner for a bit now while also working on the Survival-Stories.
Once the Survival-Stories ends, it'll give me more time to work on my own project.
If you'd want to, you could also help with that.

[plain plover]

Hope, that's the meat of Extinction's story, really Pacific rim stuff, follows the plot as usual, 10 of Mei-yin's notes have been replaced with a 3 minute montage of her fighting with "A Stranger I remain" plays over it.

[plain plover]

I'm making Arat Prime into a map, what u doin

City of Dust

The Final part, it is the one who waits

[bold dove]

That actually sounds interesting.

[plain plover]

This chronicles a current day survivor, going through Extinction and defeating the King titan, accompanied with the words of the one who waits.

it also has some lines from Element itself, we got a guest appearence.

[bold dove]

Basically a personal/fan-recreation of ARK's story.
Basically it's the story of the Elements first-contact with Earth, and an early version of the Terran Federation are trying to figure out what this object is
I don't expect much to come out of it. But 'if' it does gain attention, then the general endgoal is to reach up the the launching of the ARK's and Genesis-ship.

[plain plover]

I had an idea like that once, but it follows a noir-looking agent guy treking around the sort of cyberpunk 2040, investigating a town where strange creatures have been appearing, only to discover that it the landing site of the Element Meteor.

really subtle indie stuff, not a big huge game

it's like one chapter of Detroit Become Human.

[bold dove]

Game?
Oh, I was meaning videos.

[plain plover]

oh

My ideas seem to have a tendency of not sounding very good but working very well in practice

better then the other way around

My Arat Prime map has a portal to the moon

[bold dove]

The destroyed moon?

[plain plover]

yeap

The Map is called Equinox

[bold dove]

Think about it Red.
Where you pissed when the reason why the moon is blown up is cause 'it looked cool?'

[plain plover]

I asked Marc Soskin that because I had the idea for this map

he told me that if I actually do it, it will be canon

[bold dove]

Lol

So you weren't mad over the dumb reason why the moon is blown up, and it's never explained?

[plain plover]

no

I thought it was funny

and was more motivated by the opportunity to fill in the blank myself

[bold dove]

Okay, damn. Was going to say something but nevermind.

[plain plover]

but I was livid about ARK 2's announcement, don't get me wrong

ok now I'm going to talk about the lore for a map that doesn't exist yet

[bold dove]

Wait, why on ARK-2?

[plain plover]

Family

[bold dove]

Fair

I was going to say "with rewriting/recreating the lore. We can actually make reasonings of why stuff happen then just 'element'"

[pulsar sky]

I wonder how the family theme will be explored in ark 2?

[bold dove]

I hope it doesn't.

I wanna know more about the Aratai's then 'Family'

[pulsar sky]

How about aratai family?

[bold dove]

I'd rather that, honestly

[plain plover]

here are some excerpts of important head-cannon for Equinox.
The ARKs are absorbing element and converting it into water to neutralize it, refilling the oceans in the process.
Arat Prime lasted as long as Sanctuary, but Homo-Deus were still not present.
Pacific Rim came out before our and ARK's timeline diverge.

[rugged citrus]

Remember when we all thought the arks were built by aliens

[bold dove]

They kind of are

Alien-materials

[zenith raptor]

i cant wait for the animated series there gon be so many questions about the island's story that will be answered.

[plain plover]

The only thing we’ll get an answer on is Rockwell and Nerva’s will they won’t they relationship

[bold dove]

Animated-Series isn't fully canon

[zenith raptor]

wdym mean by "will they won't they relationship"???

[plain plover]

That sticker is from ImEnFuego’s discord

A wildcard dev

[zenith raptor]

lol

[quaint marsh]

If the Aratai are the savage tribe we see in the trailer, I expect we shall see many dead ones in the game. I'm guessing they are gonna work as Rupus in Last Oasis, they have camps that you can attack for loot.

[bold dove]

I'd also love to tame them.

[quaint marsh]

Real Ark player there

What's this? A humanoid creature that isn't a survivor? I'll tame an army with berries

[mental basin]

There are no questions about The Island's story though.

[quaint marsh]

It's the most analysable one so far honestly, most things can be answered through peoples own theories and straight up lore digging

[brazen sparrow]

There's plenty of questions yet to be answered about the Island, wdym

Like:
Why the tek cave look like dat?
What did the bases of the tribes look like non-ruined/where were they exactly on the Island?
How long did they stay there, on the Island?
When did it take place in regards to us, the Survivor? Years ago? Decades ago? Millenia ago?

[lyric tendon]

Ooh the Tek cave is simple

It is part of the ARK like it's true structure

Ab makes it clear that there are Tek stuff exist long before the Tek Tribe made base underground

The real question is why the Tek Cave in SE is closed after the Helena Tampering

Like she wants us to skip the cave altogether?

For the structures of the known tribes in the notes, it would be easy to assume it took ages between Helena's ascension and us end up in the Island

After all man made structures decay over time

Especially wood and metal, those decay faster than stone

[brazen sparrow]

Scorched doesn't have a tek cave, and the whole point I meant to make was why does the tek cave look like it does (weird spiky tek shit that's not seen anywhere else and extremely unique architecture)

[lyric tendon]

It does in the note but not as a physical thing in game

[brazen sparrow]

No, it doesn't. She mentions a terminal in a cave somewhere, not a tek cave

[lyric tendon]

A terminal is still = to a Tek Cave

Not they deep, elaborate, dungeon like the island's but more of a room to house that said terminal

No

Also wrong chat

[wet portal]

what chat then?

[brazen sparrow]

#735196267373920286

He said win10 lol

[lyric tendon]

Lmao

[pulsar sky]

I am just curious, due to dino discovery, HL-NA confirms that PixArk and ArkPark are a part of the Genesis Simulation. What are your opinions on this?

[lyric tendon]

it's been already hinted since Skye's Ab note for the ARK Park and Genesis tidbit glitch for the PixARK one

i'm just waiting for ARK mobile to be confirmed lol

[bold dove]

It's funny that they're confirmed.

Cause you can play PixARK now, and unironically be part of the ARK universe while doing it.

[lyric tendon]

tbh i lowkey want to make the ARK universe in chronological order

[bold dove]

True

I'd assume PixARK would be first, since it's a proto-version of the Genesis-simulation.

Which means canonically, the protagonists between PixARK, ARK-Park, Kids-mode, and the Survival-Evolved would all be different people.

Cause I doubt HLN-A would even allow the Survivor to mess with the older parts of the simulation for shits and giggles when they have a colony-ship to save.

[lyric tendon]

from the thing she put for the first place lol

[bold dove]

Survivor: "I wanna go into the block world"
HLN-A "Survivor, no. We have a colony to sa-"
Survivor: "I wanna go into the block world!!"
HLN-A: "Survivor, for fuck sake this isn't the ti-"
Survivor: "I WANNA BE STEVE!!"

[lyric tendon]

if she close the backdoor in the first place, we are free to be steve

[eager raft]

someone pin this

[pulsar sky]

The moment ARK Mobile gets confirmed, I'll be mad again at the fact they get breedable griffins, but the rest of us do not.

[brazen sparrow]

I don't think Ark mobile will ever be canon, just for that and the reviving creatures via implant thing

[pulsar sky]

Oh yeah, forgot they had a creature revive mechanic.

[lyric tendon]

and made Mei and Nerva MTX whales lmao

[pulsar sky]

what does an mtx whale mean?

[lyric tendon]

microtransactions

[bold dove]

And made Rockwell fucking snort amber.

[lyric tendon]

tbh him reviving in ab makes sense when he snort amber first then element

[bold dove]

Reviving?

[lyric tendon]

boss fight

[pulsar sky]

On to this briefly as this gave me a thought, ARK Cinematic Universe?

[lyric tendon]

That's ARK Anime

[dim palm]

Why is the tek you unlock in gen 1 URE tek and not Terran Federation tek? Shouldn’t it be Terran Federation tek?

[bold dove]

Cause it's a simulation and it doesn't matter

[dim palm]

That’s not a good answer

[bold dove]

It's the only answer

[dim palm]

…it’s not

[bold dove]

Then what's the answer?

[dim palm]

Something other than that. That makes no fucking sense

[bold dove]

Welcome to Genesis lore

[dim palm]

Okay buddy

Don’t give me a stupid answer

I came here for something like “they didn’t have the eco suit models yet “ or something like that

[bold dove]

Don't ask a dumb question. 🤷
The reality is that lore isn't the priority sometimes, and they didn't think/care to change the tek-suit on Genesis-1

[dim palm]

That’s what I was looking for

It wasn’t a dumb question

You’re answer WAS dumb though

[bold dove]

Dumb questions get dumb answers in response.

[dim palm]

It wasn’t a dumb question but okay bud

[bold dove]

It wasn't a dumb answer, but okay bud. 🤷

[dim palm]

I would love to know how a person inquiring about something unknown to them is dumb

Please explain it to me

[brazen sparrow]

Y'all are both dumb, there, problem solved

[bold dove]

I'd also would love to know how answer with a response that since it's a simulation, it doesn't matter what is going on in the real-world since the URE and Terrans made an alliance during the end days of Earth and they'd mitch match technology.
If you can give me a solid reasoning, then I'll entertain you and give you a reasoning.

[dim palm]

A solid reasoning to what?

[bold dove]

A solid reasoning why that's a dumb answer, when that 'is' the answer. 🤷 (that or development shit which is obvious)
The cloning system was made by the URE for the ARK's, but the Genesis-ship (a Federation-based project) also used the cloning system.
Nations will share each other technologies if allied.

[bold dove]

I need another input on this.
You think 'cause it's a simulation, and what's going on in the real-world doesn't matter' is a dumb answer to why we use the original tek-suit in Genesis-1?

[brazen sparrow]

Re-read the quoted statement

That's not a sufficient answer

And him being mad at it was equally dumb

[bold dove]

Fair.
If they'd asked for a better response in a more passive manner, I would've probably tried to think of something else.

[dim palm]

Passive

I’m not gonna be passive. I’m going to be assertive

[brazen sparrow]

To put it simply, we don't know why the OG tek suit is used in the simulation, other than just exposition and suspense for the big reveal of the new version in the end cutscene

[dim palm]

I think that’s the best answer

[brazen sparrow]

Either that, OR our character just simply doesn't have the engram for/know how to make the new one

[bold dove]

So like I said in a earlier reply. Gameplay stuff.

[dim palm]

They should change the models to Terran tek and give us a URE skin for them

[bold dove]

Was it also ever confirmed the original tek-suit was URE, or what?

[dim palm]

Cuz having a URE shoulder cannon doesn’t fit Terran exo suit at all

[brazen sparrow]

Yes, I believe it was via the Aberration notes or something

[bold dove]

Diana's, right.
But that was a collaborative effort between the URE and FED's to make the proto-suit.

[brazen sparrow]

They appeared there with tek suits on, did they not?

[bold dove]

No, they needed to make them.

Diana tested the first tek-suit on the ARK

Right before she hit the barrier.

[brazen sparrow]

Ehhh, idk about that one chief

[bold dove]

I remember this, cause I recorded with Ned on the Survival-Stories with this lore.

[dim palm]

URE Tek: 😐 Terran Federation Tek: 😍

[bold dove]

Not gonna. I kind of hate the Federation armor.

[dim palm]

It looks more appealing imo

Slimmer design, not shiny as fuck, and not jagged

[bold dove]

Yeah, it does for the general map it's for.
But the original tek looked more alien-made to me, while the Federation stuff looks like a spartan-suit from Halo.

[dim palm]

I mean they are on halos

[bold dove]

"Weirdly, some of the the people here are from the Federation, but given our situation, even the Feddies are being team players. Hope that truce holds up when we get this TEK gear up and running..."

"we've got the resources to cobble together an off-brand, flight ready suit of TEK armor in a month or two."

Yeah, they had to make the tek-armor.

Just like everyone else, they awoke on the ARK naked, most likely.
Seems like you only get your gear if you ascend from an ARK, not awaken on one.

[dim palm]

I’m not following y’all I have no clue what y’all are talking about

[bold dove]

I don't believe the original tek-suit the URE armor.
The notes hints that it was a collaborative effort between the URE and FED's on the pre-destroyed Aberration. And the note shows the original tek-armor.

[dim palm]

Interesting

I mean URE tek looks like the suit

They match

[bold dove]

Kind of.
There isn't enough growth though.

The tek on the ARK's where a lot more alive then the pure metal tek on the ship.

[dim palm]

And Terran Federation tek isn’t really used for offensive purposes. I mean look at all of Terran Federation technology

Exo mek, phase pistol, exo suit

That suit ain’t designed for fighting

[bold dove]

Phase pistol is 100% a offensive weapon if you use it right

[dim palm]

I mean yeah it can be but it also has a stun AND heal mode

[bold dove]

Multi-purpose firearm

[dim palm]

Is the phase pistol any good for those missions where you have to hunt down a large detox or whatever?

[bold dove]

YES!

[dim palm]

Like, does the beam get strong enough to do considerable damage?

[bold dove]

They are fucking great for brute missions.

[dim palm]

Omg that’s amazing

I used to hate having to use a tek rifle

[bold dove]

They also stack on damage the more players you have shooting at the target at once.

[dim palm]

Oh wow

So you can just dissolve a target

[bold dove]

It's a stacking-based damage system.
It does shit damage at first, but it goes up to I believe 6x damage per second once it fully charges up the damage meeter.

And that damage can be stack per person shooting

[dim palm]

I thought it was 20x

I remember seeing that on the wiki but I might be capping

[bold dove]

I believe it's reduced on brute creatures, and negated fully on bosses

[dim palm]

Ah

So I can’t phase pistol the overseer 💀

[bold dove]

Sadly, no

[dim palm]

I just got back into ark and I’m doing a genesis maps run

[bold dove]

But none the less. I watched a friend do the alpha tek-giga on Genesis-1, with one other dude with primitive tek-pistols, and sat on a edge and just kept shooting the giga until it died.

[dim palm]

I’m on single player and I’m starting on gen 1 and my rules are that I can only transfer to gen 1 and gen 2

So that’s great to hear

[bold dove]

Fair

[dim palm]

This is my first time every playing single player too

[bold dove]

Yeah, so either find a good cliff. Or if you don't mind manipulating some stuff, do Gamma CMC to get the skiff, and just hover over the fuckers with a phase pistol

[dim palm]

I always just used it to fuck around

Nah ima do the corrupted master controller legit

That’s my end goal

Rockwell prime is probably the easiest boss to do

Just cheese some r reapers then bring like 3 to the boss fight

I want to do a ARK run and do the first 4 maps in order but the island is so fucking boring and so is scorched earth

Aberration and exinction are just 😚 👌

[brazen sparrow]

It maxes at 20x

[bold dove]

Right, but I believe they made it only stack up to 6x for brute creatures not to long ago

[brazen sparrow]

Perhaps, been awhile since I've had to do any missions, got 47 million hexes saved up 💀

[bold dove]

Nice

You can buy at least 5 red drops

[brazen sparrow]

It's definitely 20x on alphas still, which I thought were technically brute in a way

[brazen sparrow]

I buy about 35 every now and then

When I feel like it/need a specific BP

[dim palm]

@bold dove I just checked and the tek phase pistol looks like URE tek

It doesn’t look like Terran tek whatsoever

[brazen sparrow]

Sure it does

[dim palm]

Yeah it’s definitely URE tek

[brazen sparrow]

Just because it's a weapon doesn't mean it isn't Fed

The grenade launcher is Fed too

[dim palm]

No I mean it doesn’t fit Terran tek style

Yeah but like, it shouldn’t look like that

[brazen sparrow]

🤷‍♂️

Looks Fed enough to me

[dim palm]

It should be smooth and dull like Terran tek

Can I dm you some photos I took of it?

It’s super URE

[brazen sparrow]

Sure

[bold dove]

Fed-tek looks more like generic iron, while URE-tek is more alien shit.

[dim palm]

Yeah want me to send you some screenies too?

I sent ‘em to the other guy

[bold dove]

Nah

[dim palm]

Alr

It does look alien

I wish we got to see more Terran Federation tek

[bold dove]

I don't.
I didn't really like the generic sci-fi metal look they went with.

I liked the more alien/alive look the ARK's/Obelisks had.

Which seems like they're going back to for ARK-2
With how they described tek to be basically some Eldritch horror that is both beautiful, and horrifying.

And so alien that you can't comprehend it.

[dim palm]

I mean yeah I love both of them

I just wish we saw more of the Terran stuff

Like, the whole colony ship was Terran

[bold dove]

I did wish we actually go inside the ship like Cedric said we'd be able to in the Genesis-1 Extra Life stream

[dim palm]

Wdym?

[bold dove]

Back in 2020, Cedric stated on stream that we'd be able to go inside of the Genesis-ship

Like, inside the ship itself. Not just the rings

[brazen sparrow]

We do

Wat

[dim palm]

Oh that sounds cool as fuck

[bold dove]

Yeah, the one moment at the end where we're at the captains area.

[dim palm]

I mean, there are like, doors everywhere in the canyon area

It would be cool

Of gen 2 I mean

[bold dove]

That's still on the ring.
The ship 'itself' has rooms.

[dim palm]

Ah

[bold dove]

I really, really fucking hated the fact that the missions where just inside of the Simulation again.
Wished they where set in different regions of the ship.

[brazen sparrow]

No, like half the missions were inside dude

[bold dove]

Those where inside the Genesis simulation

[dim palm]

I mean the river race is the only mission set in another part of the shut but it’s still in the rings. It’s behind one of the giant metal walls and it’s further down the ring

[brazen sparrow]

Not all of them

[bold dove]

One of HLN-A's lines when you start up a mission is "I think I can hook you back into the simulation from here."

[dim palm]

Yea missions where you don’t lose shit when you die are on the simulation

[bold dove]

The ones you get teleported are simulations.
Choose your own Adventure is a simulation.
You can see what looks like the skybox for the CMC fight through sun-roofs sometimes

[dim palm]

Yeah they are

[bold dove]

River race and Maewing races are set on the ring also.

They're set outside of the playable ring.
You can actually see them if you head to one of the barriers.

Code-Red is inside of a simulation with the skybox.
SurvivetheARK is obviously a simulation.
Star-Dolphin is a simulation due to needing to fight the CMC again.
And Choose-your-own-Adventure is has also the simulation skybox.

I could see the Enforcer mission being inside of the ship.

[dim palm]

Potentially, yeah

I guess the fact that we fight the CMC again means that we didn’t destroy him, but we probably incapacitated him or something to be able to escape the simuation

I would have loved to play on genesis 1 in its prime, with all the master AIs and stuff

I would have also loved to play on pre element-apocalypse extinction, seeing sanctuary all clean and seeing the forest proto-ark before it broke and sunk in the ground

And I would LOVE to play on pre-mei yin aberration and fight it’s guardians and it’s overseer

I would’ve just been genuinely excited to see what aberration’s landscape looked like before the observation deck got nuked

[dim palm]

@bold dove is the phase pistol good for alpha creatures?

[bold dove]

Yeah, but honestly just use a tame at that point

Unless you mean alpha brutes

[dim palm]

I usually use feroxes

Wait nvm

I’m thinking about the hunting

[bold dove]

Yeah, for brutes you want to use a phase pistol for alpha difficulties.

Gamma and Brutes are possible to do with tames

[dim palm]

Alright

That’s good news

It kinda sucks that the only new tekgram you earn from rockwell prime is the exo mek. And you don’t get any unique tek grams for beta and alpha

[bold dove]

Yeah, kind of sad.
But at least you get a sick costume

[dim palm]

What costume?

[bold dove]

The corrupted survivor skin

[dim palm]

Oh. Is it alpha only or something?

[bold dove]

Yeah, only on alpha.

[dim palm]

Makes sense

[bold dove]

Badass skin, but obviously not useful

[dim palm]

Alright ima have to check it out

[bold dove]

You get a skin that changes your character look like those skinless humanoids in the fight

[dim palm]

Thanks

[dim palm]

imagine playing in pre-rockwell genesis 1 🤤

getting to fight 6 bosses in total 😍

[frail dragon]

11*

[dim palm]

care to elaborate?

[glad crow]

Not an appropriate channel. There are recruitment channels under #bulletin-board-rules .

[dim palm]

@bold dove turns out the maewing, enforcer, and river races take place in the genesis simulation

its really weird but they are just simulated parts of the ship

[solar bolt]

he says nothing but lies

[dim palm]

i kind of got that but i just wanted to see what kind of stupid reasoning he had

[solar bolt]

i wonder why the gen 2 ship has a underground? ocean

[solar bolt]

like why was it put on the ship

[fallow sapphire]

Why is there an ocean? To transfer ocean creatures, same as transferring the Dino’s on the surface. Why is it underground? Haven’t the faintest clue

[brazen sparrow]

I mean, they have to have marine life where they're going, sooooo

Without marine life, most terrestrial life doesn't have a food source

Also keeps whatever ocean they end up in relatively clean and such

[quaint marsh]

Or Arat already has a functioning ocean, and they just wanted to add some invasive species

[brazen sparrow]

Well, yeah. The whole point was to bring an entire ecological system from Earth to wherever they ended up

[bold dove]

What?
The maewing race-track is literally visable on Eden

You can watch people race on the mission as an outside spectator.

[iron lake]

Northern wall on Eden side right?

[bold dove]

Something like that.

Might be the Southern wall

[iron lake]

Just imagine if you had access to the entire ring

[bold dove]

Genesis is already 60Gb on pc.
I don't want a 120Gb DLC

[iron lake]

Lol that’s what I was thinking as I typed it

[bold dove]

At that point, lets go all out and make the whole ship explorable.

360Gb, LETS GOO!!

[iron lake]

Might work if they did the map the way the did in atlas

[bold dove]

Yeah, but that'd requires literally changing how official servers work, and unofficial needing to pay for each grid per month

[small rune]

Oooof I didn’t know that
I really hope they don’t do this in ark2

[bold dove]

Yeah, each grid is a server.

[iron lake]

I honestly don’t know what to expect from Ark 2 atm.

Lots of things I don’t like about it from the details but I’m not going to knock it until I try it

[lyric tendon]

it wasnt so bad until people start using the loading times between grid jumping to grief

the pro for the grid system is the land claims are good compared to ARK and Conan

[bold dove]

It's bad when I have to pay 15$ a month per grid

[lyric tendon]

that is also fair but if the game gets very popular, it will get some discounts... who knows

[bold dove]

Or they'll raise up the prices

[lyric tendon]

would that happened to ARK servers tho?

[bold dove]

Since they now know they can milk the unofficial community.
I wouldn't put it past Nitrado or GPortal

[bold dove]

Don't make me answer this.

[lyric tendon]

high key curious

[bold dove]

Yes, yes it would happen to ARK servers.
If ARK-2 gets more popular, server-services are going to take advantage of this

Especially when they know they're the only good ARK server-services.

[lyric tendon]

i mean they are well promoted servers compared to whatever my friends are using in their unofficial servers

especially the one who has a personal server

[brazen sparrow]

Nitrado makes a killing on Xbox servers, I can say that much. Seeing as how they have an exclusivity contract with Wildcard and Microsoft for Ark 1, a thing I hope expires for Ark 2

[bold dove]

They make a killing, and kill my hopes for a good server renter on Xbox.

[dim palm]

i know, but hlna says she is plugging us back into the simlation when we start the mission, and she mentions how "realistic the simulated current looks" and how she "shouldve hacked in an ichthyosaurus for you"

[bold dove]

Fair, but Genesis isn't the most consistent with lore.
It's odd that they bother adding the outside races to the actual world, but then state "ayo, this is in a simulation"

[dim palm]

yeah it is weird. but then again, we only see those hologram-checkpoints in simulation missions too

idk but im tired so im going to bed 🤷‍♂️

[bold dove]

Night

[dim palm]

night

[fallow sapphire]

I mean not entirely (and i know you wont see this for awhile), we do have the holographic footprints from the brutes/tranq missions

[dim palm]

Well, yes, but those aren’t like, holographic contructs, they are holograms made just by HLNA

[fallow sapphire]

Yes, but why couldn’t mission rings be too

[bold dove]

Who says the checkpoints aren't?

[dim palm]

What do you mean

What checkpoints

[brazen sparrow]

The race checkpoints

Right?

[bold dove]

Yes

[pseudo nimbus]

Is atlas canon

[bold dove]

No

[pseudo nimbus]

Fuck

[lyric tendon]

No, sadly lol unless ARK anime bring the pirate since one of them has the same ATLAS skin

[bold dove]

It's hard for it to be canon when they're making their own lore, and it's a normal Earth with mythical stuff.

[lyric tendon]

Ironic that they made fantasy ARKs canon tho

Unless I misread on that one

I hope it is not true

[bold dove]

Misread where?

[lyric tendon]

About fantasy ARKs being canon

[pseudo nimbus]

I just want hemp canon

[bold dove]

Ah, you must've misheard that.
If you mean the ARK in the new Aberration intro, that's pre-Aberration.
Which 'does' look fantasy like. But doesn't mean the custom-ARK's are canon

[lyric tendon]

Pre-Ab is CI confirmed? lol

[bold dove]

No

[lyric tendon]

I know lol

[bold dove]

God, fuck no.
It's just that big ass mushrooms always existed

[lyric tendon]

That is borderline too much fantasy

[bold dove]

[bold dove]

So it's fine when it's on Aberration. But not fine when it's on a non-destroyed ARK?

[lyric tendon]

I meant CI being pre-Ab

[bold dove]

Ooooh, right

Yeah, floating Obelisks are fine since they have what it appears to be engines.
But floating Islands are a bit much

[eager raft]

Im guessing the only way the floaters are possible is that they utilise element to create some sort of electromagnetic repulsion against the ark base or somethibg

Then again that would make using tek around them hella dangerous or downright impossible

So yeah ci is a bit too out there

[young needle]

The floating islands aren't supposed to have an explanation

[brazen sparrow]

Because they aren't canon

[warped herald]

So dumb question for my fellow lore nerds, if meiyin called a giga a demon king would a carchar be a lesser version or a different demon in her eyes

[pulsar sky]

Who's to say there can only be one demon king?

We could have rival demon kings

[warped herald]

But there's usually only one true demon king

[pulsar sky]

you're right. so carchar would be another demon, because meiyin (somehow) brought a giga to the megapithecus boss fight, making giga the one true demon king.

[fierce island]

wha-

[pulsar sky]

yes, in-lore she brought a giga to a boss fight. The plot demands it. Also she knock-out tamed a rock drake.

[fierce island]

Who is she???

[daring yarrow]

The Dino Whisperer

[vestal saffron]

She's a server admin obviously

[pseudo nimbus]

They serious about hiding ark2 lore in kid mode ark?

[rigid grove]

It's from a co-founder, I'm pretty sure it's serious.
https://twitter.com/jeremystieglitz/status/1592354902051033092

Jeremy Stieglitz (@jeremystieglitz)

For those ARK lore completionists out there: Dino Discovery has critical deep-connections into ARK2..

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186

Twitter · Nov 15, 2022, 3:12 AM

[young needle]

Sounds great

[lyric tendon]

Welp time to put Dino discovery in the timeline between Gen 2 and ARK 2

[bold dove]

How?
HLN-A is dead by that time

It'd be more during while the survivor is on the ARK's

[lyric tendon]

It would be weird within Gen 1 and 2 tho because Rockwell exists

Unless Nida modded her in 🤷🏼‍♀️

[bold dove]

Also, Jesse is playing ARK

[lyric tendon]

Is he with Walter White as well?

[bold dove]

She was already in the simulation, remember?
I believe it was there where Nida first found HLN-A

[lyric tendon]

That is fair but doing Dino Discovery in the middle of Rockwell doing shenanigans?

Unless it's pre-Rockwell entering the backdoor

[bold dove]

Adding Dino-Discovery kind of fucks up the timeline.
But if I have to guess. It takes place either before Nida finds her in the simulation, or after the Genesis-2 notes, and HLN-A is trying to protect the children of the ship and keep them within the simulation while she waits for the Survivor.

Cause it was HLN-A that made sure we didn't turn into a Avatar in Genesis-1, when people where starting to go missing.

So she might've locked the simulation-room off from Rockwell, and basically acted as the one cool teacher that makes sure all of the children are fine and don't know what's going on in a crisis.

[lyric tendon]

Kinda makes me question the canonically from Twitter/Reddit posts tbh

[brazen sparrow]

I'd imagine that it could take place whenever, (within reason, obviously sometime after she enters the ship) seeing as how HLN-A could've just... recorded all that info for the cryo'd children to listen to. She's "dead" when we hear the recording in the exo-mek, docking with the ring. And the ring (as well as the children) may land later than everyone else seen in the post-credits scene, remember the ring is in orbit with whatever fuel it has for god knows how long

[brazen sparrow]

I would find it hard to consider a co-founder's words (or even the writers' words, when counting the reddit AMAs) non-canon, lmao. Unless explicitly stated, I guess...

[lyric tendon]

It's like the whole JK Rouling tweet about sexual orientation of Dumbledore in years after the main Harry Potter franchise is done

[brazen sparrow]

I don't see the comparison, like, at all

[bold dove]

That's a shit comparasion

[lyric tendon]

That is why tweets are questionable unless there is in game proved otherwise

Authors can change their minds in an instant

[bold dove]

One is making something canon for shits and giggles, even if it doesn't make sense in the timeline, it's all for fun.
The other is a desperate attempt to stay relevant.

[brazen sparrow]

Ok, and? They're still the author, what they say goes lol

Bethesda making the shitshow that is Fallout 76 canon hurts my eyes, brain, and all manner of other body parts, but it's still canon, apparently

[bold dove]

Sadly

[brazen sparrow]

(Even though the Brotherhood isn't anywhere near founded yet, like tf)

[bold dove]

Fallout 76 is a better example of a writer/dev ruining the full on canon of a universe.
Dino Discovery only ruins a small part of a timeline, mostly cause it's confusing where it stands in said timeline. Not cause it's actually bad, unlike 76.

[lyric tendon]

I prefer sticking what is already in the game/s especially Twitter "will possibly shut down" and none of those twits be preserved like a game does

[solemn linden]

Wonder what happened to all those giant bat skeletons between Fallout 76 and Fallout 3...

[bold dove]

RIGHT!!
They're still in the East coast, and still are old U.S soldiers.

The Brotherhood where babies when you find them in Fallout-1

The actual term of 'Brotherhood of Steel' only started like 30-ish years before the first game

[brazen sparrow]

Which is still 180 years or so away from the events of 76, lol

[bold dove]

RIGHT!

You wanna know something funny?

[frank glen]

Where do I promote

[bold dove]

You don't

[lyric tendon]

Not here

[brazen sparrow]

#735196255483068497 or #735196267373920286

I think

Don't quote me on that

Read the rules

[bold dove]

They could've totally have had a Brotherhood-like faction.
Someone didn't agree with Maxon back when they first found the bunker, and left to go to West-Virginia.
They can still be very Brotherhood-like. But not the true OG Brotherhood, and that would've made more sense.

Wanna know something ironic?

They did that exact thing in Fallout-3.

[brazen sparrow]

Yarp. But back to the story at hand, Dino Discovery is in the game, and therefore canon. I rest my case

[bold dove]

Which is why I actually like the Brotherhood in 3.
It's a chapter that felt more pity for the locals and wanted to help.
But the true OG members left and made their own faction that stayed true to how the Brotherhood where in Fallout 1-2, which is to say "Fucking asses"

[brazen sparrow]

In response to this

[bold dove]

Yeah, unless the community gets really pissed and they listen (which they've been chill with Dino Discovery being canon) then we can't do shit.
It's their world, their writing, their product.

[lyric tendon]

Dino Discovery sure

But not the whole "Helena came first" twit from Peter or one with soskin back then

[brazen sparrow]

What

[bold dove]

What about Helena?

[brazen sparrow]

I'm confused

[bold dove]

Same

[lyric tendon]

See

[bold dove]

I see a screen

With funny words on it

@brazen sparrow What do you see?

[lyric tendon]

If you remember someone asked about where did the Gen started after Ext

And Peter said about something on the lines with "Helena came first to warn people about the dangers of Element" or something

[bold dove]

Okay.

[lyric tendon]

god makes me wish posting pics here is enabled

Off hand lore bits like that is kinda iffy unless the game/s stated otherwise

[brazen sparrow]

I still don't think I understand, after taking a break to contemplate

Do you mean who got to the Genesis ship first? Because it was rather obviously Helena

Don't need a reddit post to know that

It's literally in the notes that Helena gets there and then shit goes sideways

[pseudo nimbus]

Wait, west virginia isn't invisible?

[bold dove]

Nah, turns out that's Virgina

[pseudo nimbus]

Good, good, that helps me sleep at night

Knowing west virginia isn't relevant in any form of media

[pseudo nimbus]

Good

Remember, your children collecting pieces of metal to decipher critical information is canon.

WAIT

I'm starting to connect the dots....

Meeka HAS to have somthing to do with that Dino discovery, meeka must of been the canon person to run through Dino discovery

There's no way

[pulsar sky]

I need to clarify something, there are different Santiago’s right? Aberration, Extinction, Gen 2/Ark 2. I know about the clones with ark, but still confused on some things.

[bold dove]

Only three clones so far.

Tek-war Santiago, Genesis note Santiago, Ab/Ext Santiago, and ARK-2 Santiago.
That's four......

[brazen sparrow]

Tek War Santiago is the original, Gen 2 note Santiago is the first clone, then there's a potentially endless, unknown amount of clones made by Dima, then the Aberration/Extinction Arks' Santiago, then the Ark 2 Santiago, as seen in the post credits scene of Gen 2

[pulsar sky]

Ok thanks. This clone business hit different.

[brazen sparrow]

It is a little confusing, at times

Glad they're going away from it, hopefully 😅

[dense ice]

who’s dima?

[plain plover]

Doug Dimadome owner of the Dimsdale Dimadome

[dense ice]

the setup for a gotemmmmm

[tender wasp]

Her Name is Uma not Dima...

[fallow sapphire]

I really wanna know where Pikmin got Dima from now lol

[bold dove]

Dima dees nuts

[brazen sparrow]

It's Uma, my bad. Don't know why I thought it was Dima, I've never even heard that name, I don't think (maybe it was from some game or something?)

[amber flower]

Ark takes place in Ohio, no other states just different counties

[bold dove]

The ARK's where lifted from Ohio soil.
The dinosaurs aren't clones, they're natives to Ohio

[eager raft]

only in ohio dawgg

[brazen sparrow]

Ohio 💀

[arctic bison]

Tf going on in Ohio 💀

[solemn linden]

Have you by any chance played a certain Fallout 4 DLC by the name of Far Harbor? Because that may be where you got the name Dima from lmao

[dim palm]

Did the original aberration overseer create the lightpets, rock drakes, and ravagers?

[dim palm]

Matter of fact, did he create all of the unique creatures of aberration?

[mental basin]

It created the Nameless and Reapers. It moreso monitors the other Creatures if that makes sense. It keeps them respawing.

It can create Creatures, but it doesn't because there's no reason to. Or, at least there was no reason to until the Tek civilization started messing with the ARK itself.

Or wait... I feel like I'm skipping over something...

The Overseer was destroyed by the Tek civilization, it was the ARK itself that made the Reapers and Nameless.

[dim palm]

Then what made the other unique creatures? Like, they aren’t native to earth sooo

[mental basin]

The URE. (The people that made the ARKs)

They didn't pop up out of nowhere, you know.

Unique creatures and environments, such as the creatures of Ab and Ab itself are meant to keep Survivors on their toes.

[dim palm]

But aberration was originally a normal ark that was mostly an above-ground thing. It was even said to be a heaven-like ark

[mental basin]

No..? Heavenlike? What?
It was literally just a regular ARK on the surface, but the cave systems were always there

Hell, there was even Element already on the surface.

[dim palm]

I could’ve sworn one of the explorer notes said it was heaven-like

[mental basin]

Not that I remember.