lore-nerdz

[turbid quail]

Aberration is malfunctioning. It might be different rules that apply to it. Perhaps it is static over Sanctuary

[signal hull]

Perhaps aberration was intended to be a different kind of ark. One that rotates or has seasons. Could be why it's the only one that began to malfunction.

[bold dove]

Aberration is also an ARK that is manufactured its fake environment.

[brazen sparrow]

... you... uh... hmm.

It wasn't because of some intended feature that Aberration began to malfunction, I'll say that much

[signal hull]

If you have information on that please do let me know

[fallow sapphire]

It kinda got nuked lol

[brazen sparrow]

I like to let people find the lore on their own, and that bit is a really obvious bit lol

[pseudo nimbus]

You could argue that it may be because of the people ut decided to harbor

[signal hull]

I'm asking for it though. :p I've always been interested in the lore of aberration but haven't really been able to find out anything about it. So been left to guesses and whatnot.

[bold dove]

It got fucking nuked

[pseudo nimbus]

ark decides to only put people from tek Era of humanity
Tek tribes get super built up
obelisk want to destroy tek tribe for being too built up
tek tribe hacks obelisk and temporarily disables it
tek tribe builds tek nuke and detonate it in the overseers lair, causing aberration to become what it is now
Rockwell injects himself with element and kills everyone

[bold dove]

I'm sorry Bruising. But the moment i realized they said "intended" my brain lost 5 out of my 10 braincells left.

[pseudo nimbus]

You could argue its be auzs it only had tek era people, who are most likely to blow the place up

[bold dove]

Auzs?

[signal hull]

Oh, brilliant

[bold dove]

Yes

Very intelligent move by the tek-tribe.

[pseudo nimbus]

"OH we are stuck in what might be a zoo, no way in hell that there is a reason we are stuck here, better nuke our only know habitat in hopes we might be right"

[rain dock]

I mean that's what they did to earth too, it probably felt like the natural thing to do.

[dawn stirrup]

I will never understand their logic in nuking it

[signal hull]

So what was ab like before? did the weird creatures like nameless, reapers and seekers only develop after the nuke was deployed? and i guess the surface also didnt set you on fire? was ab originally designed to be more like the other arks or was it always meant to be a system of caves

[pseudo nimbus]

It was more simular to other arks

Iirc reapers were a punishment, and I don't know the rest

[stray storm]

of course, we don't have that much information, but basically from what we can assume, the ark was pretty much like any other island ark (according to mark soskin, but that's boring). People lived on the surface and such, and practically all of the past survivors who were on the ark were from the tek era. they thought they were captured, so they nuked the overseer. that caused the ark to malfunction, due to one of those huge megastructures being split in half. there was no atmosphere, and because of that the sun could burn the ark due to no barrier. after this, the survivors evacuated to the cave systems, narrowly escaping the first sunrise. So, it seems that the cave systems always existed in some form, whether they were smaller or the same size as they are ingame. as for creatures like nameless, reapers, and seekers, they were never mentioned in the pre-destruction surface notes (diana notes 1-11). so, it's likely that they existed only in the cave systems

I recommend that you read the notes, or look at a narration from people like Complete Games. The story in order is Diana, Mei-Yin, and Helena/Rockwell. though, if you want a more visual format, the aberration survival stories are in production, and will come out at some point in the future.

[sick violet]

I'm confused on Rockwell was he a human before he turned into that?

[open geyser]

He's still human, don't judge the outside please. It's the inside that matters

[stray storm]

rockwell was some victorian scientist from the past. he was a human, yes. his obsession with element drove him to inject himself with a element/blood mix, which mutated him into what he is in the aberration bossfight.

actually don't quote me on the element/blood mix, I think that's what it was. if not, it was just element for sure.

[past kite]

Yes

[bold dove]

That's what happens when you inject a universe-defying alien fungus that's also a metal/gas/plasma into your veins.

Aaaand the fact that he's been swimming in said alien-shit for hundreds to thousands of years before we get to him.

[zenith tundra]

where did tek dinos come from

[bold dove]

Tek-god

[zenith tundra]

really

[solemn linden]

We don't know, but I wish they didn't spawn on the Island lmao

[brazen sparrow]

Seeing as how they came with the Extinction Chronicles, probably the same place the good element corrupted creatures came from, just made out of element + some genetic template

[signal hull]

ooh ok i only read helena's abb notes so that explains it

[rigid grove]

Most if not all notes are also in the pins here

[pseudo nimbus]

"They thought they were captured,so they nuked the overseer"

[stray storm]

well, I suppose it's a bit more complicated than that, but that's pretty much it.

[pseudo nimbus]

"They took my fries, so i took their lives" vibes

[bold dove]

Golden, go to sleep

[pseudo nimbus]

What did he do

[bold dove]

Nothing.
It's just nearly 12AM for him, and he needs to do the 'ZzzZZZzz'

[bold dove]

To be fair, i'd 100% fucking kill someone over stealing my fries if we lived in a post-apocalyptic world.

But for legal reasons.
I have to say that i wouldn't do that in current society.

[pseudo nimbus]

It's 1:45 am for me, I sleep as soon as I get home from work, then when I wake up (around midnight) I do my recreational activities, then I go to work, that schedule works because I don't have that morning sleep drought when I go to work

[bold dove]

Didn't ask how you worked.

[pseudo nimbus]

some peoples sleep schedule works like that

But if it isn't he needs to lay I'm bed and log off

[pseudo nimbus]

Wait isn't there a story of someone doing that I'm modern society

[bold dove]

And Golden only does cause he pushes himself with stress.
So i'll go fucking dad-mode on his ass if he doesn't get required sleep then he can do his work with a rested mind.

[bold dove]

I have no idea. But that was probably in Florida.

[pseudo nimbus]

Bruh cool it

[bold dove]

I am?

[pseudo nimbus]

You just said you'd beat his ass if he dosent force himself to sleep

[bold dove]

Sorry that your dad did that.
But that wasn't what i was stating. 🤷‍♂️
Dad-mode as in "i'm going to remind him to go to bed and be more productive then i am, since i don't want him nor other people to turn into what i am."

[pseudo nimbus]

You just admitted to sleep deprivation

[bold dove]

Yep

I'm a hypocrite that makes sure everyone else is healthy besides me.

[pseudo nimbus]

😂

[bold dove]

I've been told by friends that i'm basically 'Bill' from Left-4-Dead

[pseudo nimbus]

Don't know who that is, but it's probably funny af

[bold dove]

A old military Veteran that's an asshole and a smartass. But will always look after his friends and families health before his own.

I ain't old, nor in the military.
But everything else does check out it seems.

[pseudo nimbus]

Scrapped content: aberration santiago notes
Ideas on what the first few and last few would be?

[bold dove]

There's scrapped notes?

[pseudo nimbus]

First few: up to nuke detonation
Last few: up to ab ending

[pseudo nimbus]

No, but I want ideas for ab santiago notes

[bold dove]

Hmm.
Would've loved to read his pov of Diana's death.

After they go down to the element-rivers, i don't think they mention Santiago ever again till Helena's last note.

[pseudo nimbus]

Yep

Which is why I want notes on the meanwhile

[pseudo nimbus]

I forgot if there was a reason or if Mark forgot

[bold dove]

They probably didn't have enough line of texts, and he wasn't that important till the very last note after he brought Helena and Mei to the cloning-chambers.

Basically, his role in the story of Aberration was done until the very last note.

[pseudo nimbus]

Well, 'make him more important'

[trim ember]

If you die of old age do you respawn

[pseudo nimbus]

I don't think you age on the ark

But we don't know

[bold dove]

We don't know, since no one stays alive long enough.

[pseudo nimbus]

My question would be why are people also varying age

If we are cloned

[bold dove]

Cause they're cloned from when the original models where at that age

[pseudo nimbus]

Would be suffering if you died of age

[bold dove]

Dying from age is.....ummmm..........
'not as peaceful as people make it out to be'

[pseudo nimbus]

*media

[bold dove]

Trust me, i've seen it first hand.
And at that point. Just put me down humanely with Unga-Bunga technology and throw a boulder on my head.
A lot less painful of a death then all your organs slowly failing while you're still alive.

[bold dove]

False stuff like that in media has warped a large portion of peoples mindset.
So yeah, 'people' make it out to be.

[pseudo nimbus]

Pills I think would be the quickesy

Back to topic

[bold dove]

Pills aren't a thing in Unga-Bunga time

[bold dove]

Bruh.
This isn't a channel for that.

We go off topic all the time

[pseudo nimbus]

Imagine dying when your like 5 then you see dinosaurs when you wake up

[solemn linden]

Raia got old lmao

[tender wasp]

Rockwell aged on the Arks as well.

[bold dove]

I forgor Raia.

[pseudo nimbus]

I thought the whole cloning 1 of every single person ever was a terrible idea

On gen2

[solemn linden]

I'd assume that if you were to die of old age, you wouldn't respawn cause otherwise it would just be constantly respawning and immediately dying of old age again. Unless you would be respawned in a younger body or something.

[bold dove]

Makes for great plot convenience though.

[tender wasp]

Making the whole respawning canon was a bad idea

[pseudo nimbus]

Younger body makes most sense

[pseudo nimbus]

I still don't get why

[solemn linden]

Sadly immortality would still suck though

[bold dove]

Able to reboot old characters like they did with Santiago.

[tender wasp]

Which is allways annoying and sucks in media most of the time.

[pseudo nimbus]

I mean it's infinite ♾ overseer ascension loop til you get to aberration

[solemn linden]

There are definitely some people that really shouldn't be cloned...

[pseudo nimbus]

We all say this
The only way respawn can work if it's a huge pain in the ass, like dragon ball

[bold dove]

Okay, so they theoretically have everyone who has 'ever' existed on the ship, right?

[pseudo nimbus]

Imagine h1tler on genesis ship

[bold dove]

Holy shit, i was going to say that.

[tender wasp]

Theoretically yes or at least everybody they were able to dig up or get DNA from.

There could be some super horrible people on the ship.

[bold dove]

Hitler is fresh enough.
I don't know 'why' they would. But hey, not my fault they wanted to bring 'everyone.'

[pseudo nimbus]

My other concern was disabled people,

[bold dove]

AYO!

[pseudo nimbus]

If someone is born blind can now suddenly see, they'd just die from being unable to comprehend vision

[tender wasp]

Might have been ruled out.. or they allready had that advanced medicine to nearly heal everything.

Like they did engeneer on the clones in the Gen2 shipt at least.

[solemn linden]

Hopefully they were smart enough to not include certain historical figures, even if they were able to get their engrammic matrixes, or at least only give those clones the memories from before they developed into terrible people.

[bold dove]

Don't think that how it works.
Pretty sure the human brain is still hard-wired for comprehend stuff like vision. Even if you haven't had it since birth.

[bold dove]

Imagine Hilter in ARK-2 as a painter.

[pseudo nimbus]

He becomes a well respected painter

[pseudo nimbus]

I'm not able to comprehend what you just saud

[bronze turtle]

wtf

[bold dove]

They could also pull a Thanos and make Nerva a farmer now.

[bold dove]

Stop being high!

[pseudo nimbus]

No God please no

[bold dove]

And imagine note-Helana actually being useful.

[tender wasp]

ANd Vin Diesel might oppress people and force them not to use Tek and stay Unga Bunga...

[pseudo nimbus]

It's Saturday now thus is my time to get intoxicated

[bold dove]

First thing i'm doing is porting tek to ARK-2.

[pseudo nimbus]

She could give everyone AOE plot armor, other than that she'll die

[tender wasp]

Maybe the Orks are even the super smart ones cause they eveolved and did not revive all the idiots from past times 😛

[pseudo nimbus]

Imagine getting will smith'd by Vin diesal for using a tek canteens you found on the ship

[solemn linden]

If someone who had lived their life without being able to see suddenly got vision, it would be confusing for them for a little bit but their brain would already be hard-wired for vision anyway so it would be somewhat instinctive.

[tender wasp]

Nah that happens when you make fun of Vin's "hair"

[bold dove]

Someone has ported ARK-1 assets into Unreal-5. And it looked fucking good.
I don't know who said it in this server. But someone said to me "Unreal 4 stuff wouldn't look nice on a new engine" (ignoring the fact that UE5 is literally just a updated UE4 and isn't a whole new engine)

[pseudo nimbus]

Josuke genes

[bronze turtle]

they should have Vin Diesel track and hunt you if you use Tek

[bold dove]

I'm also have put on my bucket list to 'give everyone 6X larger heads' in ARK-2.

[tender wasp]

If I can beat up his ass and see him runing like a beaten up dog I would be fine with that lol

[bold dove]

Something i'm mad about the modding community of ARK, is that there isn't a lot of shitposting mods.

[bronze turtle]

he has health it's like a boss fight that gets delivered to you

[bold dove]

I want ARK-2 to be the start of 'ARK: Shitpost Evolved'

[solemn linden]

He just slowly chases you down and you think you are safe because you have full Tek armour, but no. He is somehow able to catch up and punch through Tek with his bare hands and he proceeds to savagely beat you to death.

[bronze turtle]

if you beat him he flees and returns another day

[tender wasp]

Seems you have a new mission now ^^

[pseudo nimbus]

Imagine Vin diesal just walking like Michael Myers towards you the entire game

[solemn linden]

They give no explanation for his strength other than him murmuring about "family"

[bold dove]

Unironically, i'd love that.

[bronze turtle]

you have to always be on the run so he doesn't catch up to you

[tender wasp]

Only with the Michael Meyers musik and the the mask

[pseudo nimbus]

If you use tek he gets angry and

gmsummon "dinopithicus_character_bp_c" 1500000

[bold dove]

Copyright is still a thing in modding

[bronze turtle]

can Helena use commands

[tender wasp]

You can change it by a tune and you are fine lol

[tender wasp]

Only Mei can do that

[bronze turtle]

since when

[tender wasp]

Since Mei allways has been admin abusing ?

[bronze turtle]

Mei should be banned from official

[pseudo nimbus]

She dotame a rock drake after knocking it out

[bronze turtle]

hey I think I remember you

you told me to throw my friend out a window

[pseudo nimbus]

It's called defenstration

[bronze turtle]

yeahh

[brazen sparrow]

"Don't care, didn't ask. L + ratio" personified

[pseudo nimbus]

I always get ratiod by you 2

@bronze turtle ever had a midnight family feud incident after that?

[bronze turtle]

before that actually

Steve Harvey was in my living room

[pseudo nimbus]

Your parents were one of the 100 married couples asked

[bronze turtle]

it was strange

[bold dove]

Welp, when someone goes on about their work schedule when it was 12:AM.
Ye, i'm going to go 'didn't ask' mode

[bronze turtle]

the real question is are you capable of fighting a polar bear in the chapel

[bold dove]

Didn't ask

[pseudo nimbus]

Like a church chapel?

[bronze turtle]

yeahh

I can beat a polar bear in a chapel

[pseudo nimbus]

If I'm allowed weapons, it's dead

[bold dove]

@brazen sparrow Can i dm you something that made me lose more of my already low IQ?

[pseudo nimbus]

If not, I'm dead

[bronze turtle]

I can beat a polar bear while unconscious

[bold dove]

It even depends on the weapon

[bold dove]

Not even.

[pseudo nimbus]

Sir calm down it's not that deep

[bronze turtle]

How would you know

[pseudo nimbus]

I own guns so it'd get totalled if I'm allowed weapons

[bold dove]

Why the fuck did y-.....a day ago.........wh?

[bold dove]

Basic research.
Also, i know you're not jacked

[bronze turtle]

you don't know how hard I'd beat a polar bear even if I was a baby

[bronze turtle]

I'm working on it

[pseudo nimbus]

You can leave guessed as to why

[bold dove]

Yeaaaah.
Not sure if you know this, but low-caliber firearms don't do shit against bears besides pissing them off. Especially Polar-bears

[pseudo nimbus]

What about a 12 gauge

Buckshot

[pseudo nimbus]

That's really interesting good to know

[bold dove]

A brown/black bear, sure.
Polar-bear though? You're still fucked.

[bronze turtle]

my fists have power equivalent to a 12 gauge I easily destroy polar bear in chapel

[pseudo nimbus]

Tf did polar bears get so much more jacked from

[bronze turtle]

my own protein shakes I fed them

[bold dove]

That's what happens when you live in a desert.

[pseudo nimbus]

Doubts, you still have to get close to it, ND wind it up

[bronze turtle]

polar bears don't live in the forest

[bold dove]

What?

[pseudo nimbus]

The artic is considered a desert

[bronze turtle]

in the desert they live in the ice

[bold dove]

You're a dummy

[bronze turtle]

how rude

[bold dove]

A desert is just a region that's dry, and dead with barely any life.

[bronze turtle]

in all seriousness I didn't know this until today

[bold dove]

Bruh.

[bold dove]

'Deserted'

[pseudo nimbus]

That's a general knowledge thing from like, 5th grade

[bold dove]

'Deserted'
'Deserte'
'Desert'

It's in the name!

[bronze turtle]

I know what deserted means but I always thought just the word desert would mean a bunch of sand

I've just never heard someone call the Arctic a desert

[pseudo nimbus]

Funny because most deserts are rock and not sand

[bold dove]

Nope.
Just means a baron wasteland with barely any life.

[bronze turtle]

interesting

[bold dove]

Right.
Nevada is actually mostly gravel.

[bronze turtle]

jesus

so any place that just has barely any life is a desert

[solemn linden]

Wikipedia summarizes it pretty well: "A desert is a barren area of landscape where little precipitation occurs and, consequently, living conditions are hostile for plant and animal life."

[bronze turtle]

aight thanks for the geography lesson y'all

[brazen sparrow]

By all means, sorry I was grabbing a tuna sandwich lol

[brazen sparrow]

barren* 😏

[bold dove]

I meant what i said.

"Just means a female queen wasteland"

(i think that's what baron means.........)

[brazen sparrow]

A baron? It's similar to lord, or a high ranking member of something/someone who is big in a certain industry

Like the oil barons, or the rail barons, back in cowboy times

[lyric tendon]

That is baroness

[onyx sky]

Deserts are full of life. Desert just means extreme temperature changes in 24 hours

Deserts can be very cold. Reeeeeesearch

[rotund pasture]

Could the guy official mod maps be the other arks that arent featured in the main story?

[brazen sparrow]

It's possible, but highly unlikely for most (if not all) of the mod maps to be canon entirely. Ragnarok, Valguero, and Crystal Isles are pseudo-canon by way of the griffin, tropical crystal wyvern, tropeognathus, blood crystal wyvern, ember crystal wyvern, ice wyvern, and deinonychus being in the Genesis simulation, but that's still a stretch to some (I say it makes them wholly canon, because why else would they be there? But I digress.)

[trail coral]

I woke up and was naked in a cave.

[lyric tendon]

in order to be canon, those map must have explorer notes (Val Expansion Mod not included), dossiers are a mixed bag

[rotund pasture]

Oh

[solemn linden]

As Bruising said, some of the creatures featured on the non-story maps do appear in some of the Genesis missions so they seem to exist canonically, at least within the simulation. As for the maps themselves it is unlikely due to just how much they break the rules of how an ARK works canonically.

For example, one of Helena's Scorched Earth notes says that: "If this whole place is a space station posing as a real ecosystem, then it needs to keep the wildlife and humans inside it contained in a way that appears natural. The island accomplished that by simply being an island, and the desert does it via the Death Worms."

Yet Valguero is landlocked like Scorched but doesn't have any natural barrier preventing you from rubbing your face against it's forcefield dome thing.

Same goes for the northern parts of Fjordur and well I doubt it's realms would make sense on an ARK either.

[rotund pasture]

The realms might make sense, given boss arenas exist in the lore

[solemn linden]

Basically Ragnarok is a maybe, but Lost Island, Valguero and The Center have areas where the land goes right up against the forcefield but doesn't have any natural barrier preventing you from reaching it. Crystal Isles and Fjordur have way more fantasy elements than sci fi so they are unlikely to make sense lore wise

[rotund pasture]

Yeah

[solemn linden]

So in general they don't fit how the ARKs are supposed to work and as such wouldn't make any sense even if they were canon

[rotund pasture]

Ok

[lyric tendon]

the boss arenas can easily seen through the hall of history

realms doesn't make sense as Fjordur has no canonical overseer

[rotund pasture]

Ok

[lyric tendon]

only the creatures but not the map themselves

[solemn linden]

That's what I said lmao

The creatures from them seem to be canon, but the maps aren't and wouldn't make much sense lore wise

[lyric tendon]

you made along speech, i just made a TL;DR

[solemn linden]

fair

just wanted to support what I was saying with evidence from the notes

[tardy flax]

How do you guys think more advanced people or homodeus would explain why there are arks that don’t match the canon? This is entirely hypothetical btw I’m just curious to see how someone with greater knowledge of how arks work/should work would describe the reasons for arks that don’t work like others

[glad oak]

wdym

[runic anvil]

There's ark lore?

[tardy flax]

Like how would someone in the lore, with advanced knowledge of the arks, explain the maps that aren’t canon

[bold dove]

The floating spires and the implant in your arm that you always look at when you respawn wasn't a giveaway?

[pseudo nimbus]

If it did I think overseer took the form as fenrir same way SE overseer was (presumably, I really forgot) the msnticore, it has the classic island bosses and the moni bosses as guardians.

And I forgot whether deathworms were on lost island or not

[tardy flax]

Yup they were according to Dododex

[pseudo nimbus]

So yeah lost island could easily be canon

[tardy flax]

What about fjordur in your opinion?

[pseudo nimbus]

It's too much of a fantasy map to properly work

[pseudo nimbus]

If we presume maewings aren't canon on lost island

[tardy flax]

Because of the realms or because of another factor on fjordur?

[pseudo nimbus]

Lots of, do you mind which map you want me to go over first.

[pseudo nimbus]

Space cave, maewings, shadowmanes, extinction creatures, and vanaheim discredit the map

[tardy flax]

Space cave is fair enough. But I don’t understand the part about shadowmanes, maewings, and the vanaheim part

Like wydm by “discredit the map”

[pseudo nimbus]

By discredit I mean it tampers with already established lore

[tardy flax]

Oh ok I see that part but how do those elements specifically tamper with the lore?

[pseudo nimbus]

Shadowmanes and maewings are made by Rockwell while on genesis ship, and thus couldn't be in other arks

If we go by the whole "realms are huge boss arenas" then vanaheim can't exist because there are no bosses harbored by vanaheim

[tardy flax]

Well that’s if you see realms as boss arenas. The boss arenas can be as small as the confines of their designated space like how the fenrir pair Hati and Skoll are limited to that ring of stone pillars and cannot exit under normal circumstances. I see them as essentially other biomes we have to teleport to like the genesis map

[pseudo nimbus]

Thats also a possibility

[tardy flax]

And as for the extinction creature is that because there’s-
A. No other types of fjordur creatures with corruption good or bag
And
B. Extinction creatures came after the arks returned to earth

[pseudo nimbus]

Both

Mostly b though

[tardy flax]

Ahh ok gotcha. Yeah I don’t really like the spawns on fjordur that much. It feels like they really just tried to include/keep as much as they could

[bold dove]

Shadowmanes were a Rockwell creation. So it wouldn't make sense for them to be on an ARK 'after' he's already left them.

[tardy flax]

Well shadowmanes and the other r variants

[bold dove]

Right.
Which makes it a bit hard to canonize a map that would break the canon.

[pseudo nimbus]

I'm advocating for a tek/space realm with constantly changing rescorces, mutagel, voidwrms, space dolphins, the whole caboose

[pseudo nimbus]

I forgot about maewings

[bold dove]

They where created by the ships crew to be a wet-nurse

[pseudo nimbus]

Yeah, so the same reason as shadows as reasons to be exclusive

Lost island could be canon

Deathwirms block the scorched part and the rest is island

[tardy flax]

Were reapers meant to be like the deathworms as a way to keep survivors away from the surface? Other than the environmental danger the surface presents

[pseudo nimbus]

Ab got nuked

That's why it is how it is

Reapers didn't exist til afterwards

[bold dove]

They're more like wyverns

A punishment for the survivors literally bombing the Overseer

[tardy flax]

Oh wow I thought wyverns were just meant to sift the weak/less capable survivors from the stronger ones

[pseudo nimbus]

Wyvern got deployed on scorched because the tribe raia was in got too built up

[bold dove]

Nope.
Wyverns where deployed as a punishment of building too much

Mantises where a warning to them to 'fucking quit it.'
The wyverns where the execute of said request

[pseudo nimbus]

It almost happened to the tek tribe on aberration, but being a tek tribe they hacked the obelisk then nuked the overseer

[bold dove]

Basically.
"We didn't expect you to do so well, so we're punishing you for surviving"

[tardy flax]

So the overseer doesn’t want to be beat? How would the overseer want people to live on the arks? Just not progress to the point of taking it on?

[bold dove]

It's not that

[pseudo nimbus]

Nervas tribe did overseer without getting warned

[bold dove]

It's that "The ARK's are meant to constantly push the survivors to evolve them. And they can't evolve if they're comfy"

[tardy flax]

What happened to Nerva after that? Did he get taken to a random ark or did he stay on the island?

[bold dove]

He died

[pseudo nimbus]

He lost a 1V1 against mei during the fight

[bold dove]

He got stabbed by Mei, and Mei and his corpse transferred to Aberration

His corpse proceeded to burn in the daylight.

[tardy flax]

aww man I actually liked him

[bold dove]

I don't know man
Slavery ain't that pog anymore

It's pretty 'pogn't'

[tardy flax]

Well yeah that part wasn’t good

[bold dove]

And burning innocent villages

And possible taking children to raise them that what he's doing is right, since he 'is' Roman

[tardy flax]

So back to the overseer, after the island what happens to the overseer? Are other arks monitored by overseers but the bosses are creatures that can take the beating for them?

[pseudo nimbus]

All arks have overseers

[bold dove]

Every single ARK has a overseer

[pseudo nimbus]

The bosses are tests to see if they are worthy to ascend

[tardy flax]

Ah so after the island they decided they didn’t want to be the final fight so they had other things fight for them? Like having the manticore on scorched earth?

[bold dove]

In-canon, it seems like the overseer 'allows' you to ascend if you're worthy.
Since Helena and Rockwell didn't bring anything to the Scorched ascension.

So, us fighting the overseer is either non-canon, doesn't see us worthy, or Helena changed it as another test.

[bold dove]

Manticore isn't an overseer

Scorched has an overseer.
We just don't see it cause Wildcard never added one.

[pseudo nimbus]

Didn't they go through a portal to ascend of scorched

[tardy flax]

Yeah so overseers are “behind the curtain” and not interacting with the survivors directly. In other words the overseer didn’t want to fight on scorched earth so the manticore was made to fight instead?

[bold dove]

We don't know

They just went through the tek-cave entrance in the coliseum, and it ends there.

[bold dove]

No.

Don't think you're understanding that Wildcard just didn't add a final-fight on Scorched.

[tardy flax]

I thought there was like a story explanation for that

[bold dove]

Nope

There's a lot of things in ARK's lore that is either confusing, or wasn't added due to Dev reasons.

The ARK story isn't perfect.

[tardy flax]

So basically every ark after the island (excluding extinction and later maps) doesn’t have a final fight since you don’t fight the overseer

[bold dove]

...Not at all what i said.

Also, Aberration does have an overseer

[tardy flax]

Well wdym by final fight? Sorry my understanding of the ark story is scuffed mobile doesn’t compare

[bold dove]

Final-fight as in a 'final-boss'

[tardy flax]

Was the manticore not the final one?

[bold dove]

Doesn't give you ascension levels, so no.

Also is a 'Guardian' boss.
Which are to test your might, not an overseer.

[tardy flax]

Ahh ok

[bold dove]

Also, they're an oversized mutated lion.
I doubt it knows how to operate an ARK

[tardy flax]

Yeah that’s why I thought it was like the overseers puppet. Like something for the survivor to fight rather than the overseer itself

[bold dove]

Nope.
It's onpar to the Obelisk bosses on The Island

Just a creature to test your might

[tardy flax]

Ahh ok. So what is Rockwell on aberration?

[bold dove]

What'd you mean?

[tardy flax]

Like is he a guardian boss or the final boss?

[bold dove]

He's an overseer

The only non-Homo-Deus overseer

[tardy flax]

Wow ok

Did Rockwell want to be the overseer of that ark or was there like a freak accident that led to that?

[bold dove]

Both

[pseudo nimbus]

Freak accident mostly

[bold dove]

Freak accident, but Rockwell also probably got super giddy the moment he realized he's now a god.

[pseudo nimbus]

The OG overseer got nuked by tek tribe, then Rockwell in melted himself with element and became overseer

Injected, not melted

He got so high he couldn't die

[tardy flax]

Did he hope to be the overseer or did he want to be more powerful and just messed up and got stuck with the overseer position

[pseudo nimbus]

Second

[tardy flax]

I know I’m all over the place and I want to thank you for helping me but at what point did the arks get the respawn update for the survivors? Didn’t John and Nerva just straight up die?

[bold dove]

Helena did that after Extinction

And became basically a god.

You know, you could also watch videos of the lore on Youtube.

[brazen sparrow]

Maewings are not made by Rockwell homie, and nonetheless the way that say the Extinction creatures could be on the other Arks as well as the ship can be easily explained by way of the same thing we and Rockwell use to get to the Arks/ship: they're uploaded via Arat Prime or some other thing on Earth we don't know about

[tardy flax]

Well yeah I’m doing that too but it’s sometimes easier to ask these types of questions in a chat that’s about the lore

[brazen sparrow]

^^^

Refer to above statement lol

[bold dove]

True.
But just making sure. You have watched all of the notes, right?
Cause some of them questioned some of your answers.

[bold dove]

We've been done with that convo for an hour

[tardy flax]

Yeah I’m reading them, reading pages explaining them, and watching videos but I don’t know which specific explorer note has the answer to my specific question

[bold dove]

You read them in map-order?

[tardy flax]

Yes I’m starting aberration notes* tomorrow

[bold dove]

Ah, well.
Your Aberration questions already get answered in the notes.

[tardy flax]

I know that but if a question comes to mind it’s easier for me to ask here than to read each of the notes. I don’t know when or where certain events or explanations are told in arks story so I wouldn’t know where to look in the first place

[bold dove]

True

[pseudo nimbus]

No ab survival series

this endless torture

[brazen sparrow]

I knew that, mainly just wanted to set things straight since a lot of peeps like to say there is absolutely no way that the Extinction creatures could be on the ship, and vice versa. All it takes is a little imagination 😉

[pseudo nimbus]

I have such bad memory I've probably been told 4 times already but how did the extinction creatures get to Gen ship

[brazen sparrow]

^^^

I kinda explained it there already lol

[pseudo nimbus]

How would they get to arat prime

[brazen sparrow]

Survivors taking them there, Helena, who knows

[pseudo nimbus]

A but of a journey sure

[brazen sparrow]

I mean we could simply just upload them like we do in-game and that's the explanation, idk

[bold dove]

'Yet'

[pseudo nimbus]

How close is yet he said summer 2022

Or would neddythenoodle bounty hunt you if you leaked?

[bold dove]

Shit takes time.
And summer hasn't ended yet.

[pseudo nimbus]

Ya I understand

[bold dove]

All i'll say is that, filming has started. And only a few more things need to be modded that are going to be hard.

[pseudo nimbus]

What zone did everyone spawn at no way people only spawned south zone 1

Only total noobs spawn south zone 1

[dawn stirrup]

And is there a certain canon spawn point for the survivor itself?

[bold dove]

No

[lyric tendon]

the survivor's story is our story, there is no canon reason for it

[fallow sapphire]

The survivors story is so much our story that you can start on any of the ark saga maps canonically other then Extinction

[frozen tundra]

/advert warn 1/2/3 get away or KOS

[lyric tendon]

That "lore" is not canon

[forest geyser]

I just realized that the OVerseer destroying the town in SE could be analogized to server wipes lmao

people getting too organized, so wipe the server

[lyric tendon]

same with The new legion as a mega tribe, Nuking the overseer in ab as purposely crashing a server, and Nida being a literal modder

also #MeiCheats, dont forget that

[glad oak]

It's the only reason they survived as long as they did

[forest geyser]

haven't gotten to Nida notes yet

[elfin socket]

Gigas in the boss arena 😔

She probs a mesher too

[forest geyser]

look I identify with Mei Yin.

Except I don't even have just a tiny little hut.

only lots of dinosaurs

[long summit]

Hey Guyeds i found out what the war the santiagos daughter was talking about it was the clone wars discribing how our characters always come back when they die

[lyric tendon]

they are all clones tbh, that includes us

[mystic marsh]

i think ark is a simulation

[rain dock]

The genesis 1 map is a simulation, the other maps are not

[normal cliff]

explain how i got a mana from extinction to genesis 1 if genesis is a simulation

[rain dock]

It's a game that needs some level of continuity?

[bold dove]

Same how you're able to make faked real life people within a video-game.

[arctic star]

or transfer a dino from gen1 to a dif map

[normal cliff]

yes its ark... all the maps are linked ,what about ascensions

[bold dove]

What'd you mean?

[normal cliff]

When you go in to the ascension cut scene you see all the arks.
e.g King titan , Aberration , Island , Gen1 , Gen2.

[bold dove]

Well, you don't see Genesis 1-2 to be fair. But yeah.

[normal cliff]

I was close, what is the point of gen1 and gen2 if its not linked to the main storyline?

Is it seperate?

[bold dove]

They're connected. It's just more of a prequel to ARK-2.

[normal cliff]

Its a build up to ark 2?

[bold dove]

Have you not seen the ending of Genesis-2?

[normal cliff]

I ran boss and watched it barely remember

[bold dove]

Vin-Diesel crashing onto the new planet 'is' the planet ARK-2 is set on.

Aka 'Arat'

[normal cliff]

Is the spacecraft gen2 burning down and is the planet already populated with dinosaurs?

[bold dove]

Yes, totally.
A alien planet has dinosaurs on it.
No. Eden either crashed, or dropped some pods down to seed the planet with lifeforms that the Eden ring had.

Extinction was the ending of the drama going on Earth.
The Genesis maps are about Rockwell escaping before the ARK's could finish him off also, and so he transferred himself to the Genesis-ship.
Either a new survivor, or the same one from Extinction (your choice) hunts him down before he can spread his bootleg Flood-lookin ass.

[normal cliff]

Why was he a threat if he tried to escape?

[bold dove]

Cause he's an asshole.
That, and you've played Genesis-2, did you not?

[pseudo nimbus]

He would corrupted whole universe

[bold dove]

(wouldn't say universe, more of the galaxy)

[normal cliff]

Oh , thanks for answering my questions. <3

[brazen sparrow]

All of the life in Ark can be broken down into code in a computer because of element, that's how 😏

Boom mind blown

[normal cliff]

what role lets me send a gif?

[brazen sparrow]

None, no gifs here

[bold dove]

Ambassador, or mod/admins.

[normal cliff]

How would one get any of them roles?

[bold dove]

Fill out a resume to become a mod/admin.
Which if you only wanted to join specifically to post gifs. Then that wont end well.

[normal cliff]

I just wanted to help.

Thanks tho.

[bronze turtle]

idk if this is lore but there is a number 10 carved into the megachalons shell

[lyric tendon]

more easter egg than lore

[safe spindle]

does the floating alpha dragon corps in the sky on fjordur in Asgard mean anything specific to the lore?

[bold dove]

Since Fjordur isn't canon, no

But on The Island.
"he went balloon mode"

[brazen sparrow]

Not lore related, not even slightly...

[lusty heart]

Wrong Channel

[pseudo nimbus]

Yeah

[bold dove]

Motherfucker

[mellow tapir]

yiurto

[pseudo nimbus]

What

[bold dove]

[harsh seal]

ark: Dino saurs haha funny look at my character
Ark lore: but you didn't have to cut me off

[thorny meteor]

mucho lore

[pseudo nimbus]

Time to brawl

[pseudo nimbus]

What is your issue

[pseudo nimbus]

What is your issue dude

Seriously

[bold dove]

No U

[unborn beacon]

Any lore as to why every map has at least 1 massive ass skeleton?

[bold dove]

Nooooooope

Only cause 'it looked cool'

[unborn beacon]

I thought so
Didn't hurt to ask

[pseudo nimbus]

I'm gonna

[bold dove]

Hey Lotus

"What is your issue"

[bronze turtle]

what's your issue

[drowsy lance]

[fresh cairn]

[brazen sparrow]

What is your issue dood 😕

[bold dove]

What is your issue?

[austere flame]

what is your issue

[bold dove]

What's your issue?

[onyx sky]

See this is what happens when a game pretends to have lore and let’s everybody fight over it lol

[pseudo nimbus]

You really trying to start shit?

[brazen sparrow]

What is your issue 😏

[onyx sky]

you guys sit right next to eachother or what

[pseudo nimbus]

If it's a row you want I will cleave you in twixt

[onyx sky]

something something something darkside

[pseudo nimbus]

Trying to start shit

[pseudo nimbus]

Explain

[onyx sky]

lore = holes, people = make stuff up

[pseudo nimbus]

[jagged ether]

Technically that’s how everything in earth is made. People make stuff up and someone makes it

[lyric tendon]

if people dont make stuff up, we wouldn't invent fire and stick to picking berries

[rain flint]

I’m not very good with the lord but I have been wondering something recently and I figured this was the best place to ask. Did anyone in the lore mange to full raise a reaper baby or nah

[brazen sparrow]

Not to my knowledge, the only ones who got close iirc were Trent and Imamu (the graduate students from Aberration), Imamu kills it though and Trent died in the end from it still

[lyric tendon]

in Diana's Notes (i think) there is a detailed note of someone getting chestbursted but that is the time where no repsawns and no one raised/"tamed" the reaper

not even Mei

[brazen sparrow]

So essentially no, as long as we're not missing anything 😅

[rain flint]

Ok thanks guys

[brazen sparrow]

Np mate 😁

[opaque raven]

I'm just gonna say the whole thing is "aliens". Aliens decided to do some weird thought experiment and thats why we have dinos, humans, and glow in the dark goats running around.

[bold dove]

Nope

Surprisingly, there's barely any aliens involved.

Besides element.
But the ARK's where made by humans

[bold dove]

Also, Aberration wasn't suppose to be how it is today.
It was partially blown up, and malfunctioning.

[opaque raven]

Ah. And I was so hoping aliens.

[bold dove]

Closest thing to aliens is element

Since element came from a meteor in space, and its sentient.
Soooooo.

[brazen sparrow]

It's kinda an alien, by classification, lol

[opaque raven]

Huzzah, we have discovered alien.

[bold dove]

Also astrodelphis and cetus are aliens

[gloomy bolt]

Ab was destroyed by Santiago’s bomb or something wasn’t it? Trying to keep the obys from wiping them out?

[safe sentinel]

Ye

[bold dove]

Wasn't to keep them from wiping them out.
They just felt like it

[lyric tendon]

No it's more of their plan to try to escape the ARK

[bold dove]

Well, before they knew it was a space-station

[lyric tendon]

Ye they thought they are in some prison

[bold dove]

Which, wasn't untrue

[hazy tide]

Question what were the wildest lore theories about what was the island before the reveal of the overseer and most of the most important lore?

[pseudo nimbus]

I think R plants might exist irl

I the near future

[pseudo nimbus]

Hahahhaha don't go there

[hazy tide]

Why?

[pseudo nimbus]

Sigh @bold dove

[bold dove]

Oh, i know a few.

[pseudo nimbus]

One I heard was " the aliens created the arks" which is on the tame side, and element is alien traces

[bold dove]

Some thought ARK was in a simulation, others thought it was aliens time traveling humans back on a prehistoric island, others thought it was a government experiment.
Ironically, i saw one time someone thinking The Island was a space-station......
Huh.......

[hazy tide]

The aliens I kinda understand why, but the government one does sound crazy

[pseudo nimbus]

Government experiment to let weak citizens die

[bold dove]

That's 100% something they'd do

Look at the Maze-Runner series

[hazy tide]

Good point

[pseudo nimbus]

Or insert battle Royale franchise

[bold dove]

[pseudo nimbus]

I phrased that wrong

[bold dove]

Yeaaaaaah, no thanks.
Maze-Runner did that concept way before any battle-royale.

[pseudo nimbus]

Ignore it

[bold dove]

No

[pseudo nimbus]

Space station was probably anthomnia

[bold dove]

Probably.
Man got handfed everything

[hazy tide]

Yeah

[bold dove]

I will never forgive that man for spreading the bullshit "ARK-2 is a prequel set on Earth" shit

[pseudo nimbus]

Name off some of anthomnias crazy gen2 theories

[hazy tide]

I heard some involving being trap in another dimension or planet

[bold dove]

Can't, didn't watch any of his Gen1-2 videos.
Only watched his ARK-2 one after i heard of the rumor spreading from him

[pseudo nimbus]

Bruh how tf did he come up with that

[bold dove]

He didn't.
His writers did

[pseudo nimbus]

How did they

[bold dove]

They're dumbasses that either don't know common sense and piece things together, or they just made something up to get the money.

[hazy tide]

Ooo my

[pseudo nimbus]

One mf I heard said scorched wasn't canon

[bold dove]

Oh yeah, i heard that one before.
It's cause it doesn't have a ascension. Making it automatically non-canon.

"even though ascensions don't mean jack shit"

Cause Fjordur has ascension levels.

Oh wait, no, it doesn't.
It has note levels

[pseudo nimbus]

And because there was no overseer fight

[bold dove]

Yep.
Which again, doesn't mean shit.

Cause Extinction and Genesis 1-2 aren't canon then.

[pseudo nimbus]

Most outrageous one I heard was " extinction isn't on earth, it has dinosaurs and obelisks"

I lost so many brain cells

[bold dove]

[pseudo nimbus]

That's what I said

[arctic bison]

no way

[sick canyon]

[lyric tendon]

ARK Mobile notes hits hard AF

And I thought the Skye note is bad

[pseudo nimbus]

Time to brawl

[lofty apex]

Lol why?)

What is the chance that you will meet animals exactly like a Blue whale and a Beluga Whale outside the Earth (and species similar to these animals) that feeds on the element? I think they are genetic created.

[lyric tendon]

convergent evolution exists but since they only exist in space and HLNA never mentioned them to be genetic (unlike the Shadowmane and the Maewing) AND they despawn every space cycle thus never part of the Gen Ship in the first place, makes sense that they are confirmed aliens

[brazen sparrow]

The dossiers for them state as such as well, and how the crew discovered them iirc

[bold dove]

Cause the notes state they're aliens. That's why.

[rigid palm]

Pretty sure quantum already wrote like 15 paragraphs on this topic, just refer to those

[pseudo nimbus]

Aight show

That kid is the biggest ark lore nerd behind ned

[rigid palm]

Somewhere around here idk

[fallow sapphire]

yeah, sounds about right

[pseudo nimbus]

Nerd

Maybe they have some sort of gill like lung that functions for exchanging regular space gasses as well as water?

[bold dove]

I'd argue that Quantum is a bigger nerd then Ned, honestly.

[pseudo nimbus]

Ned litterrally sunk thousands of dollars to show a screenplay of every single fucking note

[bold dove]

That doesn't mean you're a nerd.

[pseudo nimbus]

As well as found upon many elaborate theories

[bold dove]

That just means he's passionate about what he does, and wants more people to know about the lore.

[pseudo nimbus]

Wanting other people to know the lore of a video game is the nerduest thing ever

[pseudo nimbus]

In terms of coming up with wild but sensible theories, yes

[bold dove]

I'd argue making constant theories of a games lore that probably never thought much on stuff other then the foundation of the story, and then proceeding to connect said lore into a more realistic sense that it could possible exist in the real world is more nerd worthy.

[bold dove]

Which is totally a nerd thing to do.

Means you're passionate about something to such a degree that you want more out of it, so you make your own theories.

[pseudo nimbus]

We are all overthinking the lore

[bold dove]

Yes

[pseudo nimbus]

Now then

Let's dissect the lore like a high-school English teacher dissects William shakespeaks work

[bronze turtle]

GUYS
i think Helena walker and hln-a are connected

[timber remnant]

😱

[elfin socket]

What was Helena thinking when she wrote the dodo dossier?

[sick canyon]

No way

[sick canyon]

What's wrong with the dodo dossier?
It's been awhile since I've read it

[elfin socket]

tek enjoyer was saying about english teachers if u see what i replied to n i was saying how they always ask dumb questions like what was the author thinking when this was wrote etc

[dense ice]

Did somebody say quantum is a bigger lore nerd than me

you tryna throw hands

spratan

No but honestly you might not be wrong. Im not as much an ark lore nerd as I am an “ark cinematography” nerd

[solemn linden]

👀

[solemn linden]

I am honoured lmao

[pseudo nimbus]

When she wrote "this might be the dumbest creature I have ever seen" it represents the environmental concerns which have proven to lower the overall IQ of the average human.
When she wrote "the only way they could stay alive is by mating often" represents the rapid rise of teenage intercourse and raises concerns about overpopulation.

[elfin socket]

Geez

U must have aced English XD

[lean bobcat]

I was wondering, how does the player get into Genesis from Extinction lore-wise (assuming it’s the same character for both)?

[thorn ruin]

fanart

[fallow sapphire]

The same character is up to you, but the only potential way they have mentioned so far is a link between arat prime, the launch site of the ship, and the ship itself, allowing you to transfer through it, assuming thats how Rockwell did it atleast

[brazen sparrow]

Well, it's not up for debate that Rockwell did do that, but up to a certain point it's kinda left up to the player (given you don't count the Genesis 1&2 announcement stream as canon, which it is imo) whether or not you are the same survivor. It's left intentionally kinda vague, announcement stream notwithstanding.

[onyx sky]

if it's not really mentioned i'd just assume you're the same person because if you can be transfered ark to ark then when they rediscover a ship you could just be uploaded to that?

[lean bobcat]

Alright, ty!

[vital robin]

Hmm yes lore

[soft void]

is there a good lore video?

[bold dove]

NeddytheNoodles Survival-Stories

[bronze turtle]

Helena walker>yo dumbass

[lyric tendon]

She rarely do much actiony shit tbh

[bronze turtle]

Dawg i aint want to be listening to some 1900s psycho obsessed with element

[lyric tendon]

She is literally still thinks Rockwell is her best friend before AB

[bronze turtle]

Relatable

[brazen sparrow]

This is a lore channel, you're probably looking for a recruitment or server channel for Playstation, which seemingly doesn't exist now I guess? Swear it was there at one point, but either way this isn't the place for that

[native hawk]

@bronze turtle#735196277221883964

[brazen sparrow]

There is no such channel though, lol

[sharp wolf]

👀

[fallow sapphire]

cause you dont have the playstation role lol

[brazen sparrow]

Ah, that would explain it, forgot about that sort of thing...

[bronze turtle]

What was the lore reason again of fantasy creatures being in ark?

[arctic bison]

overseers are just nerds

[bronze turtle]

Well that doesnt really help

[solemn linden]

Depends on what you mean by "fantasy". If you mean creatures common in fantasy stories, then we at least know that the wyverns were released on Scorched Earth as a kind of punishment, though it is also implied that wyvern DNA was included in the ARK's archive before that event, so it's not clear what they were originally genetically engineered for. Genesis Part 2 mentions that the reason for the dinosaurs being present is incase there was some kind of balance that we missed out on the first time, such as "What if pterosaurs were still around when hominids started domesticating animals?", so maybe it's something similar and is kind of a "What if these mythological creatures were actually real? How would that impact human society?".

If you mean creatures that are unique specifically to ARK, then there are a couple of explanations, such as genetic engineering, element exposure and literal alien life.

[bold dove]

Don't overload the poor man

[solemn linden]

Between the mythological creatures, literal xenomorphs and Jurassic Park dilophosaurus, I'm inclined to agree.

[bold dove]

Give basic caveman knowledge.
If they ask for more, 'theeeen' you can go Albert Einstein on their ass.

[solemn linden]

"Funny metal brain make flying fire lizard to punish"

[bold dove]

Exactly!

I have just noticed that Ned saw my post about him. xD

[solemn linden]

"No but honestly you might not be wrong." Even Ned recognizes my nerdiness

@pseudo nimbus Considering how long my messages usually are that challenge of yours would turn this place into a full length novel.

[pseudo nimbus]

@solemn linden expalin every single theory you have that you can lost off the top of your head, full detail

[pseudo nimbus]

It's a nerd chat so feel free

[solemn linden]

ok this one is more doable

[bold dove]

This'll take a half hour

[pseudo nimbus]

That's the point

Imma read it in-between multiversus matches

[bold dove]

And probably need two maxed out paragraphs

[bold dove]

Damn, that's smart

[solemn linden]

So first off, some new theories that kind of stacks on top of the whole questioning how the spaces whales work thing. The only thing that implies that the astrodelphis are aliens is the fact that they were "discovered" by the crew of the colony ship, but the same is never said about the astrocetus. We just assume that they must also be aliens due to them appearing to be related. What if astrocetus were genetically engineered using a combination of DNA from astrodelphis and regular old Earth whales? It would explain why not one but two alien species just so happen to be almost identical to species of Earth whales and would make the whole thing a lot more reasonable. It would explain why astrocetus are present in the Genesis simulation but astrodelphis aren't and would explain why astrocetus have lungs.

[pseudo nimbus]

I think there's a high concentration of o2 in space because of this theory

In ark universe

[pseudo nimbus]

Keep going

[solemn linden]

Well there seems to at least be oxygen in the area around the colony ship, in a kind of bubble so if the space whale with lungs were engineered specifically to live around the colony ship then that would explain why it has lungs.

[pseudo nimbus]

If the Astros are aliens

And they were discovered

[solemn linden]

The other theory is that since we know the crew were still operational during most of Rockwell's takeover of the Forward Ring (Many crewmembers are shown to still be alive when Nida first encounters a shadowmane in Rockwell's Garden, it should still be entirely possible that the astrodelphis aren't aliens. Maybe the crew "discovered" them after they were created by Rockwell. I mean he seemingly had plenty of time to terraform that whole ring and create shadowmanes while the crew were still alive, so why is him genetically engineering some space dolphins not recognized as a possibility? Maybe the astrocetus is present in the simulation due to it being made by the crew and Rockwell just modified it a bit to create the astrodelphis, which the crew then "discovered".

[bold dove]

No, i think they where discovered before Rockwell even came onto the ship

And i believe HLN-A states that they are, in fact, aliens

[pseudo nimbus]

@solemn linden just keep going on with theories until your character limit is capped

Just one giant message

[bold dove]

YES!

Flood the chat!

[solemn linden]

Thing is it's never directly stated when they were discovered so we don't know for sure. I don't remember HLN-A ever confirming them to be alien either. She specifically says "The crew saw one of those creatures swimming in the interstellar medium, and named it astrodelphis -- 'space dolphin'."

[bold dove]

Welp, Genesis-2's lore isn't that deep. So i doubt Rockwell made them

[pseudo nimbus]

Must....resist.... mom joke....

[bold dove]

"Not as deep as your mother last night"

[solemn linden]

Gonna split the theories up for the sake of legibility lmao

[pseudo nimbus]

Bruh

You wased all that time typing for thay

[solemn linden]

Nope, for this lmao. Some other theories that I've discussed before: 1. When we level up we unlock "Engrams" and by definition an engram is a "memory trace". We also know that in the ARK universe there is something called an "Engrammic Matrix", that persists after a person's death and just so happens to include all their memories. So maybe when we level up, we are literally downloading someone else's memory of how to construct an item. This would explain why there are points in the notes where a character seemingly invents something and then we are somehow able to perfectly replicate it without ever finding the blueprints. We just download their memory of how to make it.

Theory 2: The connection between managarmrs and wyverns. Manas possess vestigial wings, scales, elemental breath and a generally wyvern-like body plan, yet people seem to assume that they are some kind of feline or canine simply due to their fur and ability to give live birth (Managarmr also means "moon wolf", which is often used as evidence for the canine theory). I argue that considering the wyverns produce a substance referred to as milk (I know it could be crop milk) and possess wings that are almost identical to those of a bat, they may have some mammal DNA that could have become more prominent in their descendants, thus explaining the mammalian traits present in the manas. We know wyverns used to exist on Extinction due to the presence of corrupted wyverns, so it is entirely possible that a population of them existed in the snow Proto-ARK and evolved into the manas due to element exposure.

[bold dove]

More!

[solemn linden]

lmao ok

[bold dove]

We're milking you for all your theories.

[solemn linden]

[bold dove]

[pseudo nimbus]

I think wyvern is so different it makes its own type of class

[pseudo nimbus]

I love this theory

[solemn linden]

Some more theories that I have discussed before. 1. The extinction creatures possess adaptations that are very similar to the various tek items, with managarmrs having jet feet akin to the jetpack on the tek chestpiece and can boost forward in a way similar to the superspeed of the tek leggings, gachas creating stuff like a tek replicator, velonasaurs being guns with legs and snow owls having heat vision similar to some of the vision modes for the tek helmet + plus tek railgun. The snow owls freezing ability is also vaguely similar to the cryopods. Considering all of these creatures are the result of element exposure and element is known to both have a hive mind and be the main material used in the creation of tek items, this may indicate that element not only remembers what humanity used it for but is able to use those designs for it's own means. Given the existence of the tek teleporter, this could also explain how the titans are able to appear out of thin air.

2. We know that the overseers on the ARK's have an interest in human mythology based on the presence of mythological creatures such as wyverns within the ARKs, so maybe things like the reapers, which are incredibly similar to creatures from pop culture, may indicate that the overseers also looked at more modern fictional creatures for use on the ARKs. This would explains things such as the reapers similarities to the xenomorphs from the Alien movies, as well as the dilophosaurs on the ARKs looking like the ones from Jurassic Park, rather than their real extinct counterpart.

[solemn linden]

3. The presence of Extinction creatures on the colony ship. As mentioned earlier, the Extinction creatures are heavily implied to have evolved from a mix of modern species, as well as some of the cloned or genetically engineered species present in the Proto-ARKs as a direct result of exposure to the vast amount of element present on Earth. So then how are these species also present on the colony ship? There are a couple of options. Considering the element hive mind, it is possible that element simply chose to alter the evolutionary course of certain species in the same exact way despite the vast amount of literal space between the colony ship and Earth. It is also possible that they were sent across at some point through the transfer link from Arat Prime to the colony ship. My personal theory is that since we know the ARKs are constantly monitoring the life within them and in some cases intervening (cough cough Nosti cough cough), maybe if an ARK or in this case Proto-ARK detects a new species, it adds it to the ARK's archive of species, allowing for it to be cloned elsewhere. It is somewhat unclear whether or not the ARKs and the colony ship's archives are actively connected or if they were simply filled with the same species at the point of their creation, but if they are connected, which is seemingly possible due to the transfer link demonstrating that information can be sent between them, maybe the colony ship was sent the genetic information for the Extinction species by the Proto-ARKs. The only Extinction species present on the colony ship that didn't live in a Proto-ARK is the gasbags, but they do constantly fly into the Proto-ARKs, despite it not being their natural habitat, so that should give the Proto-ARKs plenty of time to scan them.

@pseudo nimbus @bold dove Is this enough theories? lmao

[bold dove]

No

[solemn linden]

[bold dove]

More

[solemn linden]

Can I have a break at least? lmao

[bold dove]

No.
You're being milked for all your lore worths

[pseudo nimbus]

Keep going

[sick canyon]

You should write a book on ark lore already, I'd buy it

[pseudo nimbus]

@solemn linden I said keep going

[sick canyon]

Leave poor quantum alone already

[bold dove]

No

We're going to milk this man for all his nerd worth

[sick canyon]

Bob will stop you

[bold dove]

Bob will encourage it

He loves milk!

[sick canyon]

No, bob shall not
Bob is the defender of lore nerds

[bold dove]

Yes.
And we need more theories.

[sick canyon]

But, yes bob does like milk

[sick canyon]

No

[bold dove]

Yes

[sick canyon]

Take your cursed pfp and retreat to the darkness in which you came from villain

[bold dove]

No U

[sick canyon]

[bold dove]

[pseudo nimbus]

Duke nukem for multiversus

[bold dove]

Yes

I'd rather WB to own Duke then fucking Gearbox

[pseudo nimbus]

I learned today that multiversus characters aren't limited to WB

If they ask another company and they say yes, they can add it

Kind of like fortnite

[pseudo nimbus]

Boxgear

[bold dove]

Shitgear

[pseudo nimbus]

You haven't even got to the good shit

[bold dove]

Gearshitbox

[real cairn]

Yo at the end of gen 2 when the ship gets destroyed what happends with the wildfire in space?

[bold dove]

Wildfire?

[real cairn]

Astrodelphis/astrocetus

[bold dove]

Oh, you mean Wildlife?

[real cairn]

Voidwyrm

[real cairn]

Oops I said wildfire? Of sorry

[bold dove]

Well, the Astro-creatures are aliens in nature. So while the ones between the rings of the Genesis ship are dead. There's still more of them most likely.
Voidwyrms where made by the ships crew. So they could be destroyed with the ship

[real cairn]

Wait they are aliens?

[bold dove]

Yeah

[real cairn]

Damn, I wish they saved because I love astrodelphis

[real cairn]

But from where they came from?

[bold dove]

Never explained

[real cairn]

Ah ok

[bold dove]

The ships crew discovered them. Meaning they had no known knowledge of them. Meaning either someone snuck them onto the ship somehow, or they're natural habitat is space.

[real cairn]

Well

The ship goes trough many planets

[bold dove]

Exactly.
Could've picked them up on accident along the way

[real cairn]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking

[bold dove]

The issue is the 'why' they look so much like Earth creatures. But that can either be a plot point planned to be explored later, or a design oversight.

[real cairn]

Would be cool to see a dlc where instead of going into different arks you fly to different planets

[bold dove]

That's what a lot of people think ARK-2 may be with, with future DLC's

Since we're not on the celestial planet of this system.
It appears that we're on the moon of a greater planet. (which is where the actual Genesis-ship was heading towards in the ending)

[real cairn]

Oh so it's a moon Not Vice versa?

Damn then the night&day Cycle must be very different

[bold dove]

If you look at anytime you see the planets in any ARK-2 poster, they are 'WAY' too close to not get pulled by each other.
Which means that one planet has to be smaller then the other to not get torn apart.
Which, seeing how there's one giant planet in the sky, with another one off in a distance a bit. That means we're possibly on the moon.

[real cairn]

Oooh it's so cool, now gen 2 logo got cleared

[real cairn]

Posters? I never seen one

[bold dove]

You haven't?

You seen the newer ARK-2 trailer, right?

[real cairn]

Oh yes I saw the trailers

But i don't remember any posters

[bold dove]

Can i DM you a screenshot?

[real cairn]

Sure

[bold dove]

That planet in the back seems 'waaaay' to close to not tear apart this planet if it was larger, or wasn't in a gravitational pole.

[real cairn]

Yeah i got it, but it seems different from what I saw in the game

[bold dove]

In the game?

[real cairn]

Yeah

[odd carbon]

Lookin for people to join my tribe on ps4 smalls im lvl 105 wit tek and I need chill and coo players wit tek and experienced and active with all maps pm me to join

[bold dove]

Not the area

[odd carbon]

My b

[real cairn]

The ship explodes near a purple planet and you get ejected in the opposite direction to the planet where ark 2 occurs

[bold dove]

Yep

What's confusing about that?

[real cairn]

But here it doesn't look purple at all, probably because of the atmosphere but idk

[bold dove]

Could be the atmosphere of the planet we're on makes it appear a bit different.
And the fact that it's morning

[real cairn]

Well can't wait to play ark 2 even more!

I hope that the bosses won't be like in gen 2

[bold dove]

I hope they are, cause pre Genesis-1 bosses are generic as all hell to fight.

'Click whistle to win'

[arctic bison]

phase based bosses are more interesting

[rigid palm]

Ignoring ab then

[lyric tendon]

Ab is just shotgun check

[bold dove]

Ab is basically the same thing, but with a single interesting new mechanic

[rigid palm]

More than “click whistle to win”

[bold dove]

And that is "whistle to kill tentacles before you can whistle to kill Rockwell"

[rigid palm]

Ab has phases and it has multiple dangers to the player unlike any other previous boss fight

[bold dove]

You're right.
You gotta whistle 'twice'

I do love my balls getting faster

[rigid palm]

Ab actually has strategy if you don’t cheese it

[lyric tendon]

not really, like just said, "shotgun check"

Ab is the only boss battle that doesnt need dinos, just a full tribe with shotguns and a guy on a tek suit

[rigid palm]

Its not really just shotgun check tho
The balls can kill you easily if you aren’t careful and so can the reapers and nameless. Being pinned in a corner is extremely easy, and don’t forget about the dismounting electric field
By clearing each tentacle you have more progress towards the boss, and more area to run from or fight the dangers

[rigid palm]

I did say “not cheesing it”

[lyric tendon]

you are making so hard to your selves, just stay in the middle with cactus broth because those minions dont bother going in the middle unless you shoot them

you can easily dodge those balls unless you are too cocky enough to not notice them

[rigid palm]

.

[lyric tendon]

it's not cheese compared to brood

in brood you have to use the unintended arena design to your advantage

[rigid palm]

Exploiting ai to where they don’t notice you is cheesing to me
Especially using something that wasnt even from that map, which couldve easily been an oversight

[lyric tendon]

cactus broth is an intended use, the cheese if someone use the pillars as a platform and fly off when the tentacles starts to shock you

[rigid palm]

I disagree

[lyric tendon]

if it's cheese then cactus broth is illigal

[bold dove]

Manipulating an oversight is still cheesing.
They just don't remove it, cause cheesing isn't against the ToS.

[gritty tartan]

I have a little theory.. Ark 2 is the result of a black hole time travel loop....the new planet is Earth waay back at the beginning and so it all starts again in a never ending cycle..

[arctic bison]

not even close

[bold dove]

Not even close

Last time i checked, humans where never blue.

And they've called it multiple times "Unearthly"
And the "Natives" being the Aratai

And Earth never was around 2 other planets

[mental basin]

No.

[bold dove]

FUCK!!!

[lyric tendon]

Nope, read the notes next time

[bold dove]

That's not even notes. Just common sense if you listen to the dialogue.

[lyric tendon]

Common Sense is not common anymore

[brazen sparrow]

True that

[lyric tendon]

Then again, those Orks are not helping selling the "we are in a different planet" thing

[bold dove]

Oh yes they are.

Cause humans aren't fucking blue.
Common sense people.

[gritty tartan]

The wiki notes say the orcs may be corrupted survivors, and that santiago finds notes and drawings on the rocks of ark obs and HLNA, that could only have been left by a survivor . My thought still stands ...............

All shall be revealed in due course! I would SO love to see a series of live action films made of this!

[bold dove]

Wiki is also by fans that don't know what they're talking about

Even Wildcard has stated "don't trust the old wiki"

[pseudo nimbus]

Your just asking to start a brawl

[bold dove]

Bruh, how is it Earth when Earth never was a moon?

We're on a goddamn 'moon' of a celestial body.

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, I think something is being lost in translation here, there's no reason to trust the wiki when the game isn't even out yet, let alone the fact that there's now three wikis and how little we know about the game

[gritty tartan]

Are you guys wildcards writers? lol It's intersting and exciting to wonder and think through, I have loved reading some of these theories here, a lot are plausible. the ring spaceship in the sky, seen in gen 1 over the ocean biome didnt look exactly like the gen 2 starship, so some things may wlel alter slightly, we should all find out in due course

[pseudo nimbus]

So the moon that ark2 takes place on is habits by aratai right?
.... what about the actual panted

[bold dove]

No, it's called "common sense"

[bold dove]

It seems mostly ocean, but hard to tell with all the clouds

[arctic bison]

Seems it's not so common anymore

[bold dove]

Clearly

[brazen sparrow]

Seems conversations repeat themselves as well...

[bold dove]

Earth has never looked like what the environment of ARK-2 looks like.
There's no 'giant pillars'

[gritty tartan]

open minds and wonderment... but fine, your way or the not common sense highway!

[bold dove]

Clearly

[pseudo nimbus]

Noooo I'm the ex writer and bootleg is the current writer in disguise

[arctic bison]

It's so obvious

[gritty tartan]

Lol, I may pop back in here when the new storyline unfolds x

[bold dove]

Damn, they figured out our totally secret that isn't just blaring RIGHT in front of your face plotline.
Yes, i am totally the lead writer of ARK-2

Dollie would totally confirm me being totally Peter-Fries. But they are currently "doing stuff" so they in fact cannot confirm i am totally in fact Peter-Fries

[brazen sparrow]

I'm all for imagination being king and looking at everything with your own special perspective, but I'm sorry, there is no way that we are on Earth. We traveled lightyears away from Earth, a distance we can hardly even fathom to this day

[bold dove]

I blame this all on Anthomnia for making this bullshit theory.

They've even named the planet something else then 'Earth'

They planet is called "Arat"

[arctic bison]

Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest

[pseudo nimbus]

Anthomnia has a legacy of misleading people

[brazen sparrow]

The only videos he made that I liked... were because he was being told the info by the lead writer, I later found out.

[bold dove]

Yep.

[brazen sparrow]

So yeah, Anth is kinda one of those You-boobs like Lodeddipercrysis

Just not a great source of Ark content, let alone a trustworthy one

[pseudo nimbus]

I'm gonna get banned if I left those ones up

[arctic bison]

I'm with you on that one

[rigid grove]

[pseudo nimbus]

Next anthomnia video will be him trying to Cypher It to mean "earth" like it's illuminati theory

[brazen sparrow]

I'm so confused, I look away for one second...

[arctic bison]

Would we truly be surprised if it happens?

[pseudo nimbus]

This means I was so close to death

[pseudo nimbus]

I'd be surprised he's this dedicated to misinformation

Even then not relly

[arctic bison]

He's the usual suspect in these cases

[pseudo nimbus]

That how it goes

[mental basin]

The Wiki on ARK 2 has gone to shit

I was gonna edit it but lost the time

It's already claiming the ARK 2 planet as Earth after Extinction.

I'd love to talk to the idiot who made that edit.

And no, the Marauders aren't Corrupted Survivors. They're natives to the planet, which I've been saying since the beginning.

Yet most people seemed to have taken the Corruption route.

[warm nacelle]

this is random but does anyone know how "the one who waits" became a Homodeus?

and are there other ways for survivors to become homodeus

[bold dove]

I don't see anything on that.

[bold dove]

A: She became a Homo-Deus by going into a unknown machine that was made pre-Extinction era.
B: No, the machine broke afterwards and it was the last known machine of its type, and all research is assumed to be lost.

[mental basin]

Did they fix it?

[bold dove]

I never saw it to begin with, but i can't find it.

"ARK 2 takes place after the events of Genesis: Part 2 on an alien planet named “Arat”. All of the "clones" separated from the Genesis Ship have been dropped down afterwards."

[mental basin]

Helena inserted a strange energy artifact-archive thing into her Specimen Implant, killing her in the process. Mei rests her in the Tomb of Ascension, where she becomes a Homo Deus.

[bold dove]

In short, a very specific events have to happen that are now long gone.

[mental basin]

It's not really explained what the archive or even Tomb of Ascension truly are, who specifically made it, or why, it's just kind of skipped over.

[bold dove]

I think it skipped over due to how old it is.
You can see the machine in-game

It's hella old looking.

[warm nacelle]

XD

[mental basin]

Well duh, it's been there for hundreds of years.

Since humanity's collapse, I mean.

We don't get to Earth too long after everyone else does.

[bold dove]

Or thousands

[mental basin]

Cough, cough, retconned lore, cough.

[bold dove]

You'd mean "too long after" Helena, or Earth dying as a whole?

[mental basin]

After Helena.

[bold dove]

Okay, yeah. Then hundreds

[mental basin]

It's awhile yeah, but not hundreds. Let alone thousands.

A decade or two, three to four at absolute max.

[bold dove]

Cause i for sure think ARK is set at least under a thousand years after Humanity dies.

[mental basin]

Because remember, Diana and Mei are still alive during Genesis 1.

[bold dove]

Where's that stated?

[mental basin]

They're the ones who sent Helena to the Genesis Ship to begin with.

[warm nacelle]

what happened to them anyway?

[bold dove]

Yeah, but that was right after the notes since they already planned to go to Arat-Prime at that time.

[mental basin]

We don't know past the fact they got to Arat Prime and sent Helena into the simulation.

[mental basin]

Doesn't matter how long it was after, they were alive when Gen 1 was taking place.

Lucky I'm not saying Gen 2, because we dunno what happens to them after.

[warm nacelle]

ARK lore is confusing

[mental basin]

I doubt they'd die after that long, but honestly

Bring them back or kill them off already

[mental basin]

Not really, no.

[warm nacelle]

also is Helena the one bringing us back when we die, i think it was a theory?

[mental basin]

Yeah, that's her.

Took her some trial and error, but she did it after awhile.

[bold dove]

But again, how do we know that other then "they beamed Helena."

[mental basin]

Well, they had to be alive to beam her up.

Unless they were animated corpses.

Am I misinterpreting the question?

[bold dove]

Right.
And you're saying that Genesis-1 happens directly after they beam her?

[mental basin]

Well, yeah. Helena gets sent into the simulation, creates HLN-A and has to go do other shit apparently. "Others that need her help".

[bold dove]

So, this means that we have the most perfect timing, since (given if we're the same survivor) we had to go through all of The-Island and Extinction 'Riiiiight' before we get beamed up onto the Genesis-ship also.

[warm nacelle]

real Helena abandons us :<

[mental basin]

Are you inciting that Genesis happens during Island-Extinction?

I'm a bumbling idiot, like usual.

[bold dove]

I'm saying it happens 'after' Extinction.

[mental basin]

Of course it does.

[bold dove]

Did you not read what i said, then?

[mental basin]

I did. Misinterpretation issue.

[bold dove]

So you see my issue with it, since that means we somehow have the best timing in the history of humanity, and when we kill the King-Titan it just so happens that Mei and Diana just uploaded Helena. Meaning she can now beam us up Star-Trek style.

[mental basin]

Timeline-
All of our forebears
Extinction lesbian journey
Our journey up until the Earth is cured
After some time, probably, we have no clue Diana and Mei finally get to Arat Prime
We enter the simulation
We beat Rockwell

It's really confusing for a shitton of reasons I'll type out-

• HLN-A really, REALLY wants us to think the Earth is still Corrupted
• The hundreds of years thing is bullshit by now
• Mei and Diana are still alive, yet HLN-A can't detect a single human being on the planet
• Rockwell would have to reach Arat Prime before Diana and Mei

[bold dove]

Watch the show just ruin your whole timeline.

[mental basin]

I cannot wait.

[bold dove]

Well, you're gonna have to

[mental basin]

I need plotholes NOW!

[mental basin]

Either way, I do think some time has passed between Extinction and Genesis. Not a lot, but even if just a few months.

Like, I dunno. Something about the ending of Extinction and the beginning of the Genesis Announcement just screams "You've had your time to rest, now get back in there and fight!"
And I'm aware we can't make a solid theory out of that, but..

When Rockwell landed on Earth, he had one thing on his mind, domination. So the first thing he's gonna do is head to Arat Prime, which he had to have landed closer to than Diana and Mei on his descent from space.

He beats them to it, (probably not even aware of their existence, to be entirely honest) and gets aboard the ship, in hiding.

How long would that take? We have no clue. He'd have to tentacle-monster his way through awfully treacherous terrain at first, until he reaches areas being terraformed by the uncorrupted ARKs.

He'd have to hurry, because of the purging of Element on the planet, which would probably be quite detrimental to his well-being.

So he gets there, yadda yadda, lesbians get there after being led by Helena to the other side of the Earth, yadda yadda

Lesbians send Helena in there, she makes HLN-A for (we have no fucking clue who we play as at this fucking point) and goes back to cater to the couple

"Others need me" yadda yadda

Something goes down on Earth, idk, Diana and Mei don't seem to be there anymore

If HLN-A is talking in post creation terms, which she is, then according to her scans Mei and Diana aren't on Earth

Most likely case scenario they're on the Gen-Ship with us, somehow

Probably the same way Rockwell and Helena did

Anyways, to rest my case, the Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased physical suffering even in “advanced” countries.

The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore, if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from depriving people of dignity and autonomy, etc, etc

[bold dove]

Jesus Christ man

[warm nacelle]

0-0

[pseudo nimbus]

Can't wait for animated series to make it out that santiago wrote this about tek

@solemn linden you had your time to rest, now more theories

[bitter crater]

wrong wiki mate, https://ark.wiki.gg/wiki/ARK_2

fandom is not and hasn't been moderated for a few months, as it's not an official wiki as of April.

[bitter crater]

wait there's three? what's the other one

[mental basin]

That's more like it.

[brazen sparrow]

That's never stated, let alone impossible. The player character happens hundreds if not thousands of years after the note characters do, evidenced by the level of decay of the structures left behind on the maps leading up to it

[brazen sparrow]

The gamepedia one, although it seems to have been merged with the fandom one since I last checked, so my bad. Just two now I suppose

[mental basin]

It is quite literally stated, and entirely possible.

The thousands of years thing is bull at this point.

Muy outdated.

I don't have time to argue it right now, but go back and listen to all the Genesis Chronicles.

That should catch you up to speed.

[brazen sparrow]

I know they leave for Arat Prime, and the evidence is there to suggest that they initiate the link to the ship for Helena-deus to travel to and fro (via the Gen 2 notes about Nida finding Helena in the sim long before we arrive), but they are either uploaded to the ship themselves or die on Earth shortly thereafter, we can only assume. And there's at least a few hundred years between us existing and the events of note authors on Extinction, that much is certain. There's no way in hell at least a few hundred years haven't passed

[brazen sparrow]

So far, Discovery #14 (note 14) of the Genesis Chronicles is the only one that mentions Mei-Yin and Diana, and more or less says exactly what I remember/already stated; that they upload Helena to the simulation aka establish the link to the ship, and that's it, no timeframe given, let alone one where it even slightly lines up with the events of the rest of the game...

Reading the Chronicles Part 2 notes now

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, that's the only one that mentions them, aside from Santiago's little death message about seeing Diana again in the afterlife...

[bitter crater]

Gamepedia has been bought out by Fandom in 2018, and merged in 2019.

[brazen sparrow]

Yeah, I hadn't tried to visit gamepedia in about that long 😅

[bitter crater]

ark.wiki.gg is the new one, launched in cooperation with Wildcard. Existing editor and admin team moved there, along with content, so it's what you'd want to look at over Fandom 😉

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So it took me a sec to find my link

Oh of course, I knew that

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Okay, tell me how this makes sense in the slightest.

The writers keep them as highly important characters segwaying into the Genesis DLCs which are a direct prequel to ARK 2, right

Then right after they send Helena into Genesis, they just fucking keel over dead

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They could've died defending the upload site aka Arat Prime, who the hell knows? We have no clue how it went down, and citing a note that is included in the "widely regarded as non-canon" Genesis Chronicles (according to Bootleg, don't come at me for it) is a prime example of grasping, imo

Not to mention, it doesn't even touch on exactly what they did, other than going to Arat Prime I guess (which we already knew, as of the Extinction notes iirc)

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It takes three years to walk to walk around the world. Half it because they're only walking to the other side. No water to stop them, but harsh terrain and titans. I'd say at maximum it takes them a decade to walk to the other side of the planet. And they're, say, late twenties which I'll round up to 30 for each of them by the time they set out. They'd be 40 and still kicking by the time they get to Arat Prime, which lines up with HLN-A's dialogue "Other Survivors landed here a few years back."

So they make the trek, ages around 40, send Helena into the simulation and die.

No sense.

And the Genesis Chronicles are canon, btw. The information, at least. They themselves aren't.

Of course we never go to the dead Earth with HLN-A, but the information she gives us is factual.

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It makes perfect sense, lmao. Did you not see the notes with pictures of thousands of titans? Try fighting the titans we have access to thousands of time with 2 meks, no break. Tell me how it goes 😂

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Tell that to Bootleg 🤷‍♂️ . All I'm gonna say. I believe that they're entirely canon myself, but I'm also not a lead writer, so it doesn't matter what I say I suppose...

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The Titans are fucked by the time they even get to Arat Prime?

Genesis happens after Extinction, to our knowledge.

That would mean ReSeed was already initiated.

Therefore the Titans are gone.

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No they aren't. Helena and the gang happen long before we exist, full stop

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No, they don't.

Even if we followed the "HLN-As been in the Simulation for 8 years" thing, that's only 8 years.

8 years since Diana and Mei send Helena into Genesis.

That's literally no time at all.

The writers wouldn't have kept them around for this long if they were useless to us at this point.

Of course I could be wrong and they could just kill them off, but it would be a shitty decision and would piss a ton of people off.

From a writer's stance, their arc is completed, but they're also too big of characters to just end there, especially when they may be the ones Helena claimed "need her" when she said she couldn't follow us into the simulation.

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Well, you are wrong, don't know what else to tell you. 8 years is a long time to be constantly fighting/hiding from literal kaiju, there's no way in hell they survived if they stayed planet-side. Only way they survived is if Helena sent them to their already confirmed to exist bodies on the ship

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When asked something along the lines of "Will Diana and Mei return?", the devs responded with something along the lines of "Uh...... Well we're gonna have to see. Y'know old and new characters are gonna come and go in the future."

"Their story isn't over yet." Or something around those lines. Been a year, I can't remember entirely.

But that also could've referenced Santiago, unfortunately. I can see it being that way.