Panorama Lover's Corner

[fervent raft]

been a while

cant believe i cant send the fullsize jpeg

the file is literally fractions above 100mb limit

💀 TIFF is 1.29 GB

gotta cope with no fullsize for this one sadly

[fervent raft]

second matching set

i messed up the crop on this one

[fervent raft]

cropped corners on this one compared to the daytime one by accident

ill probs reprocess the image, dont like how it turned out

wayyyy to bright for a night photo

[fervent raft]

here's the full size

[pine panther]

I'm probs ready to export the one I showed

the only thing is that there's atmospheric haze that makes one of the towers have a slightly brighter base than the rest of it

[fervent raft]

tbh i struggle with LR interpretation of RAW files enough as is

if you zoom into my pano's there so much colour bleed and some really bad artifacting

[pine panther]

LR is not very good at interpolating Fuji X-Trans files on its own

[cerulean salmon]

Lightroom moment

[fervent raft]

its absolutely horrible in my experience at interpreting fuji raws

[pine panther]

I used to shoot with Fuji and you pretty much have to Enhance those files to get that level of detail

[fervent raft]

but C1 offers no solution

[pine panther]

because otherwise, it's very, very artifacty

[fervent raft]

no way im enhacing a 350 megapixel image

[pine panther]

lmao

[fervent raft]

it takes my laptop 30 minutes to export it

[pine panther]

My laptop deadass struggles more with enhanced X-Trans files

than with stock Z7ii files

[cerulean salmon]

I have a gimbal head but I'm too lazy to use it for panoramas

[fervent raft]

im still waiting for proper pano support from C1

[fervent raft]

ill buy it from you

[cerulean salmon]

I mean sure

[pine panther]

C1's current build can stitch panos

only thing is

[cerulean salmon]

no one is using it and neither am I

[pine panther]

the last time I tried it

it was not good

like actually pretty bad

[fervent raft]

its useless tbh

[pine panther]

it is the slowest

like actually uselessly slow

It's so slow even on my desktop

[fervent raft]

its the fastest in my experience

[cerulean salmon]

what desktop do you have?

[pine panther]

3700X + 2070S with 32GB of memory

I had it built in 2020

it's a hybrid work/gaming system

[cerulean salmon]

[pine panther]

although I'm using it less as I'm going out more and more

[fervent raft]

fuck is this OEM shit

looks nasty

[pine panther]

My laptop, however, is struggling to cope with all the files I've been feeding it lately

[cerulean salmon]

brand is goofy ahh

"fotomate"

[pine panther]

quad-core hyperthreaded ultrabook with 16GB of RAM being tasked with handling a stack of over 50 Nikon Z7II files, and handling a huge pano merge

[cerulean salmon]

man

I kinda want to do panos

but I have nothing capable of doing them

[pine panther]

well

[cerulean salmon]

except for built in pano

[pine panther]

you can start by taking whatever you've got

[cerulean salmon]

Mac from 2013

[pine panther]

and taking a series of handheld frames of something distant

[cerulean salmon]

I have a tripod with a spinny ball head

[pine panther]

I'm upgrading my laptop anyway

well, not replacing my ultrabook. just getting something better suited for an on-the-go photo editing station

[cerulean salmon]

wish my brother was here

[fervent raft]

all you need is a tripod tbh

[cerulean salmon]

he just left yesterday for college

[fervent raft]

you can do landscape pano's with pretty much nothing

[cerulean salmon]

I could've use his laptop

fair enough

[pine panther]

you can do it handheld provided the subject is distant

[cerulean salmon]

how would I stack them?

[pine panther]

because parallax won't be an issue

[fervent raft]

ive found C1 does stitching very poorly

ie it exports the images as jpegs then stitches

[pine panther]

C1's pano merge just sucks

it's not worth using

[fervent raft]

its exposure merge also sucks tbh

[pine panther]

the most hyped features sucked so bad

[fervent raft]

i mean this is the first year they implemented it

[pine panther]

I ended up not using C1

I expect it to get better over time

[fervent raft]

i expect them to iron out the merging issues maybe in the next ver

yeah

[pine panther]

but that's a bit of a misfire in how bad it was

[fervent raft]

i really really want to move my pano workflow over to C1

kinda sad to find out it sucks so hard

[pine panther]

it was never going to be perfect on their first run, of course

but damn

I never expected it to be so bad to the point of being useless

it was such a disappointment

oh yea

[fervent raft]

it is sadly

[pine panther]

one thing you gotta watch for when doing panos

lens vignetting

going through some of them and I noticed a few of them had dark lines/shapes in parts of the frame

so I'm now going to edit the frames individually to correct for the vignetting, exporting them, and then stitching

[fervent raft]

for LR workflow?

honestly never encountered them even on my manual glass since i crop in on FF glass

[pine panther]

yea

it's usually not an issue because I shoot at apertures where vignetting isn't really a thing on the glass I use

but sth, I use faster fstops due to low light + handheld

[fervent raft]

hmmm

for those cases i often have a quick correction profile i apply on all my images

my vintage lens at the wide angles distort a lot

so i make a profile that corrects for distortion on all the raw files before merging / stitching

[pine panther]

the only issue is that my laptop doesn't like it when I give it heavy tasks

too bad. cope seethe and mald, my ultrabook

[fervent raft]

what

dont you have a 32gb ram pc

i make do with 12 GB

2016 gaming laptop

GTX 960M with mobile thermals

[pine panther]

I do but like I said, I don't use it much

It's a mess anyways because I have 2 catalogs

I'm moving my work onto an external SSD anyways

[fervent raft]

i have 3

i used LR as a temporary solution

aiming to move to C1 afterwards

i never made the move

so all my files atm are all temp folders

you know what they say about >6 month old "temp" folders

[pine panther]

lmao

i get it

I'm victim too

[fervent raft]

C1 lied to me

unuseable stitching

[pine panther]

I expected some issues obv

[fervent raft]

i actually tried a pano stitch of a night photo

[pine panther]

but I never expected it to be useless

[fervent raft]

when i raised the exposure of it you could see individual green spots where the images were stretched to stitch

like god damn

just entire image peppered with green blobs

[pine panther]

rip

[sour quiver]

vertical panorama of a waterfall in Iceland

[wanton light]

Botiful

[fervent raft]

somehow this 240mp fullsize fits in 80 something mb's

processing is a little off on this one

just didnt have enough latitude for the highlights to pull the image without crushing them

compare this to the prev image i did of the scene, much more refined contrast in the shadows and blacks

ill try procesing it again with stronger blacks

[cerulean salmon]

holy shit

[fervent raft]

enjoy free 240mp file

[cerulean salmon]

https://www.earthcam.net/projects/empirestatebuilding/gigapixelpanorama/2021/
@fervent raft do this

zoom out

then zoom in

[fervent raft]

i may have many megapixels

but not that many

[cerulean salmon]

get more then

[fervent raft]

me omw to get 1000mm mirror lens

[cerulean salmon]

they used a 70-200 iirc

[fervent raft]

i dont have a lens that resolves strongly enough lol

my 85-210 has balsam seperation

if you check the fullsize pano's at 100% the image quality is pretty shit

im planning to get a specific use 200mm down the line for pano photography

[pine panther]

Gonna do one of dem multirows one day

[fervent raft]

My pc sucks ass at more than 2 rows

I often just do the rows individually in lr then stitch in ps after

[pine panther]

My PC sucks ass at doing anything heavy 💀

[fervent raft]

even more pano's

no need for screenshot this time

nvm shitty ass discord cant preview it

[pine panther]

Curious question

is it even possible to make a weird image merge by zooming in, taking a shot, and then progressively zooming out and taking shots?

[carmine osprey]

6x12 PanF medium format. Pinholga

[carmine osprey]

anything can be merged and layered. just have to be methodical about it.

[pine panther]

well, looks like that's a new experiment

[fervent raft]

pinholga sounds so cool

[carmine osprey]

its very cool, just make sure you use a meter geared for pinhole and low iso film. this was i think 80?

[cerulean salmon]

finally found the thread

[fervent raft]

tilted

[cerulean salmon]

cope

[fervent raft]

i will tilt your cerebral cord

also yeah the image could have done with exposure merging

[cerulean salmon]

btw

what do you use to process the images?

[fervent raft]

generally for wide pano's its often hard to expose for the entire frame without crushing / clipping some parts of it

lightroom

C1 pano stitching is a joke, dont use it

edit in lightroom and stitch in it for full raw control of the pano

if the pano becomes too big i stitch in rows in LR then export each row to stitch in ps

[cerulean salmon]

alright

I'll edit a RAW

[fervent raft]

LR can take single row pano's very well

multi rowed and it gets pretty fucked

doing the stitching in ps is faster overall but you will need to edit the rows individually and not as a singular image

ie you need to do some annoying back and fourth between images

[cerulean salmon]

my dad has the full suite of creative cloud because of work

[fervent raft]

LR struggles on my pc past 30 sets of 3

like it takes literal hours

last 800~ mp pano i did took iirc a total of 11+ hours in dev and stitching

[cerulean salmon]

@fervent raft how do I develop it?

in LRC

[fervent raft]

raw files?

select all raws and go to merge

[cerulean salmon]

what's boundary warp for?

[pine panther]

Stretches the image to cover up any transparent areas

I don't use it

[cerulean salmon]

I'm merging it now

[fervent raft]

dont use boundary warp unless required

[cerulean salmon]

alright

I didn't use it for the pano

@pine panther @fervent raft are there any tips you can give me since I'm new to panoramas

[fervent raft]

read up on nodal points if you wanna do some crazy pano's that are > 45 degree's from level

generally be aware of foreground elements if doing pano's without assistance of a pano head

its overall better to get a wide coverage of your scene and then figure out the composition and crop in post since you have such a high amount of resolution

when figuring out exposure for your scene, make sure you not only test the exposure for parts of the scene you want to protect the most, but also do test shots of the brightest and darkest area's to see if they are crushing / clipping. if yes, adjust

your tripod levelling is quite important if you want to do an exceptionally wide pano. recommended you get a levelling base that kinda has 3 screws you turn to level off the head

80mm+ focal lengths reproduce a more natural flat view of a scene that is closest to what our eyes see. id only go wide lenses if the subject is too complicated / moving too much tbh, otherwise i find the scene llooks most natural covered through a longer focal length

(min 50 prime will do will to give natural compression)

[cerulean salmon]

85mm

[fervent raft]

exposure bracket obv for any large scenes with huge variation in exposure

[cerulean salmon]

alright

[fervent raft]

also yeah, just scout your location well. be mindful of the sun position etc. i use a sun tracket app

[cerulean salmon]

so on the building on the left most I should've bracketed?

[fervent raft]

you should bracket every set if you want the entire pano to look homogenous

[cerulean salmon]

how do I know how many mp my pano is?

do I get photos x resolution or

[fervent raft]

i use faststone

editing pano's can get tricky especially if you wanna do selective colour

because tuning the blues on one subject can mess with the shadows on parts of your scene on the other far end

if its anything beyond a very slight tune, i highly rec the use of a mask to isolate the thing youre tuning

and at the end of the grade, if you have the patience, just scane the pano from left to right for any imperfections

[cerulean salmon]

so basically get everything I can right in the camera

for highlights or shadows I'd bracket

doing the pano was fun

though it was worrying only getting 1.9 photos per minute due to my 30 second exposures

I had 2 guys in total looking at me taking the panorama

and I was worried because my dad was just waiting next to me

glad the results were good

at least good to me

[cerulean salmon]

fixed exposure + fixed sky + multiple gradient masks + some editing

[cerulean salmon]

@fervent raft I FOUND OUT HOW TO EMBED

Discord has a limit to how many pixels wide a photo is before it stops embedding

the panos that you sent are too wide for discord to embed

the original ones

because your panos are like 30k wide

[fervent raft]

i know

[cerulean salmon]

oh

[pine panther]

My laptop absolutely refuses to stitch huge panos lmao

[fervent raft]

same

[pine panther]

If it's anything above 500mp

LR just goes

"I can't do this mane"

[fervent raft]

i stitch out individual strips on LR

then do the final stitch in PS

and yeah LR retains full RAW control over the final pano

imagine a 500 mp RAW file composed of multiple files

LR be struggling (its also a software last optimized back in 2012 in terms of its performance)

[pine panther]

Doesn't help that my laptop is a turd when it comes to editing very high res files 💀

[fervent raft]

on my 800 mp pano

every setting change took 25 seconds to render

[pine panther]

Lmao

Sounds like my laptop

It took like 30 minutes

Just to get one frame ready

[pine panther]

What's the advantage of doing it this way? Over stitching the whole thing at once in Photoshop

Genuinely curious

[fervent raft]

LR dosent die

hmmmm

well i get to apply my adjustments and be able to preview them better

hard to really edit a pano as individual images

[pine panther]

Ah

[fervent raft]

at least in strips i can better judge how the edit looks throughout the strips

[pine panther]

Makes sense

I haven't done multirows in ages

My laptop would just die when you just ask it to render one

[fervent raft]

ive let photoshop struggled with a pano at 16mm

65 degree total deflection from level

safe to say it struggled

[pine panther]

Lightroom can't even open it rofl

[fervent raft]

can finally send all my thicc pano's

lmaoooooooo

these jpegs are so large in size discord dosent even preview

i never managed to stitch these into a full pano

the size of 1 of 4 segment

each segment being ~~ 350 mp

final stitch size would probably reach 1 gigapixel

100% view

time to dump all the old pano's that were too big to be shared on old nitro

ahhhhh

here's the old superpano

850~~ mp

[cerulean salmon]

stitched on my phone

[fervent raft]

preview ^

[cerulean salmon]

ho

hi

[upper maple]

Screenshot of the original one since the res is so big

Trying to send the original jpeg crashes discord

[fervent raft]

Holy shit

Thread revival

[fervent raft]

Holy shit

[mild bloom]

That's the biggest I could get Discord to accept

[fervent raft]

i ❤️ pano

[upper maple]

How many mp?

[mild bloom]

I'm not sure how to calculate that, but the base affinity project is 629mb

Ah, found it

[upper maple]

You have a windows pc?

Nvm

[mild bloom]

116.3mp

[upper maple]

Not bad

I couldn’t manage to have discord take the 330 mp pano so I had to screenshot it I can compress it but meh results

[mild bloom]

Here's the big version

Bigger anyways

[cerulean salmon]

yw

[wanton gyro]

As a noob panorama lover, can I just put these here pls

[tender root]

people and panoramas dont mix i think

[fervent raft]

huzzah

thread revival

[opal hinge]

interesting

[wanton light]

Have my Collection of 2.7:1 photos

[mild bloom]

My pathetic 88 mega poopsel

[fervent raft]

poopsel

[mild bloom]

This one came from 550 mega poopsels

But it was taken with three different lenses

Came out kinda funky

[fervent raft]

20% downscale of fullsize

Thicc file junkies unite

just sharing a few pano's to get this thread started

[mild bloom]

Here's a terrible pano, now everything going forward will be better

[fervent raft]

your horizon

[mild bloom]

It was done in-camera

Blame Fuji

[fervent raft]

thumbnail sized because discord hates thicc photo

😳 i honestly think if you're a fan of landscapes, or enjoy capturing huge scenes that look larger than life, but find it hard to capture just the sheer amount of things going on to give pano photography a shot

if focal lengths restrict your composition, doing pano will almost feel like having nearly limitless boundaries to the compositions you can try

(i am also very biased because i am addicted to pano photography)

[mild bloom]

I think that's why I wanted a 16mm lens in the first place, until I realized it just didn't work for me.

[fervent raft]

imo if you want to capture a large scene but want it to look "normal", pano is better than a wide angle

most of my pano compositions are shot at 50mm FF equiv or longer for a more natural compression

id only go wider in the case where the scene is moving too much / i dont have enough time to do as many rows of shots on a longer focal length, and even then id try to stop at 35 / 28mm FF equiv

[young ibex]

Ooooor, hear me out, get a 6x17 120 camera and a 135 to 120 adapter

could be this just nearly twice as wide 😄

[fervent raft]

is that like 5 shots per roll

[young ibex]

yes it's a long shot

[fervent raft]

Literal long shot

[young ibex]

[fervent raft]

That would be such a cool name for a panoramic film body

[young ibex]

yes!

got to build one now

[fervent raft]

Sprocket rocket and Long shot

[chilly obsidian]

terrain was pretty flat looking in this area

[fervent raft]

le large pano

cant really send the full size of this one being that its 2.6 GB

[fervent raft]

sadly both are just slightly above the 100mb limit

actually nvm the top one is just below

[fervent raft]

👁️ vertical pano?

[wanton light]

Yess

[fervent raft]

file seems pretty low res

you sure these are pano's?

[wanton light]

Yes bro

[cerulean salmon]

they're phone panos

you can tell by the noise reduction