covfefe nerds

[rare acorn]

I gotta hit him with all the tactics to make sure he sells to me

selling for $80 but the whole package is easily $200-300 on used market

$400-500 new

[rare acorn]

secured

gotta organize the bunch of this

3 drippers 2 grinders 2 lever machines and like 6 bags of coffee

does not fit on that small countertop corner

[late cedar]

God I miss my coffee setup

Looks amazing

[lapis mantle]

Nice haul you've got there!

[thorny hare]

I put too much cocoa powder

[rare acorn]

noice

[rare acorn]

@thorny hare youve cursed me

I am finally tasting shitty shots out of my espresso

so much hider to hide shitty shots in a latte than in an Americano

[rare acorn]

@thorny hare https://youtu.be/_GeFEwNfLZg

oh nvm turns out I was a fucking genius

the reason my shots were so good was because I was accidentally pulling soup

I used to do a lot of light roasts and my lever shots were a little quick,

but turns out I was just a pioneer, a trailblazer

[thorny hare]

Or copium

[rare acorn]

I got some nice local coffee

coffee in the background

that's the espresso house blend

very nice, it's a brazil santos, probably bourbon, mixed with a Thai, I'm guessing Catuai

very nice medium dark, tastes like cornflakes in chocolate milk

and this one which I didn't take a picture of, but it's an Ethiopian Keramo

very nice, think it's a JARC? 5 digit number variety, tastes nice

very Kenyan, not very Ethiopian, weirdly

it's got the deepness and richness of an Ethiopian Sidamo, but the juiciness of an SL28

[rare acorn]

also made it using my Hario Switch which you can see in the background of this photo, did an immersion brew

did a ~250ml to a ~20g at a typical filter grind setting, 2:30 brew time, 30 second drawdown

[rare acorn]

I also show this espresso blend but I've not made a good shot I'm satisfied with yet

mainly cause I got a new lever machine and I still don't know how to use it properly

[thorny hare]

lovely

[rare acorn]

God

curse Fellow, they make such good looking products

but god dammit is it so expensive, $60 for a piece of glass

[lapis mantle]

Well it isn't some piece of glass, it's borosilicate glass, and double walled too. Not many glassmakers can mass produce items like that cheaply, and the ones that do....their design completely sucks and looks god awful.

I've been having a problem with some kenyan decaf coffee (swiss water process) that seems to be channeling like hell. I knock the puck out, and I can see that there are spots within the puck where it is completely dry. Is this a common issue with swiss water decaf?

[quiet fable]

twas gonna say

[vital spoke]

I concluded that i hate beans with fruity body

[exotic token]

i broke my coffee machine ;-;

https://tenor.com/view/prempdr-fc-mobile-fifa-gif-16778760554072111618

[rare acorn]

rip

which one was it

[rare acorn]

looking for a new scale

and I see this lol

$40 lunar clone

thats so funny, they copied them so hard even the text is the same

everything about the functionality is the same except app

[exotic token]

good old espresso mashine

[rare acorn]

which one

[exotic token]

this one

or smth like that

[thorny hare]

mocha today

[vital spoke]

Oh boy

[vital spoke]

Did you use some kind of choco syrup or real choco

[thorny hare]

Just cocoa powder

[vital spoke]

Ah nice

[merry arrow]

I have this clone 👀

[rare acorn]

howisit

[merry arrow]

It’s a scale. Just works for me

I use it for dosing beans and pour overs

[rare acorn]

I saw it has a little cool design for a flow indicator

thats what has me interested, but im looking at the exagram too

exagram overall better option I thinkl

[merry arrow]

I’m kinda more interested in the BooKoo scale

I have the BooKoo mini that I use for espresso. But if I were to get a new scale it would be the new BooKoo

Has a nice display for weight, time and flow/s

https://i.kickstarter.com/assets/050/169/078/c7d596d2471d890a6c19b84429fc6443_original.png?anim=false&fit=cover&gravity=auto&height=576&origin=ugc&q=92&v=1753430403&width=1024&sig=5dVcCiZilDnNVmFHYQGdDgyLrtAsgUSZ0AuQJrrhIac%3D

[rare acorn]

wow thats crazy small the mini

didn't realize it was that small

[merry arrow]

It’s way too small tbh

[rare acorn]

wow looks nice

I like the elongated shape

[merry arrow]

Yep me too

I am just not spending money on coffee as of late. Been pour money into my bike or else I would buy that scale and the z2 grinder already

[rare acorn]

people make attachments for it

this is 3dprinted with wood veneer

[merry arrow]

Yeah you can see I have a 3d print for my argos

[rare acorn]

I'm about to drop a lotta money on camera gear

so I'm putting aside the plans to buy a new scale

I only really need one for my new lever anw, my pourover scale doesnt fit

but I've been enjoying immersion brews right now in my hario flow

[rare acorn]

20g dose boiling water 2:30m brewtime 30s draw

very very easy recipe

it even works with my year old beans which is CRAZY

[merry arrow]

It’s like an aero press right

[rare acorn]

no not really, it's a bypass brewer with no external pressure

as opposed to aeropress which is a no-bypass with external pressure

the difference is drawtime and flavor profile

aeropress is more punchy but longer drawtime means more bitter coffee at the same grind

[merry arrow]

Ic

[rare acorn]

I have a coffee I keep in a tin for a rainy day, I tried it yesterday, having more today

[merry arrow]

I just do my April brewer when I want a clean cup

[rare acorn]

it's almost 8 months old and it still tastes like I bought it 3 weeks ago

[rare acorn]

the hybrid? or the normal flatbottom

[merry arrow]

Flat

[rare acorn]

I saw they came out with the April version of the Hario Flow

they call it the hybrid

which is the same flat bottom, but now you can do the same idea as Hario Switch and switch off the flow

been calling it Hario Flow

forgot it's called Hario Switch

[merry arrow]

Interesting

[rare acorn]

then april came out with this

its nice, you might be able to buy the switch part and just adapt it to your flatbottom

tastes like frenchpress but a little cleaner and clearer cup

[merry arrow]

Too much tweaking for me right now lol

When I get my head back into coffee

[rare acorn]

first time I tried it I put it on same drip grind

water first, coffee after, stir a little, wait 2 minutes

250ml water 20g dose, water temp the more the better basically

[exotic token]

lol

[vital spoke]

Fellas

I liked this

And they even use mascarpone on the cream

[rare acorn]

grande tiramisu cream iced latte hmmm

I've been having a lot of unsweetened iced lattes lately, appreciating the richness of a vienna roast against the sweetness of cold milk

[thorny hare]

unfortunately starbucks is multitudes of bad of a company

so i dont endorse them

[rare acorn]

if you don't think too much about ethics overall it's just bad value too tbh

at least in Asia, a tall iced drink is like, $7

you can get a better coffee roadside for $2

it's a love hate relationship, I do like what Starbucks is doing when it comes to representing coffee, but they're just not paying an ethical wage to the farmers, but that's not strictly a Starbucks issue either, it's just colonization in disguise all over again

[thorny hare]

Caramel latte today

[thorny hare]

Also just low quality ass coffee

[lapis mantle]

You don't have to do too much digging to find that Nestle isn't so hot either.

[thorny hare]

Yeah I know

[vital spoke]

agreed

but still tiramisu latte hehe

[vital spoke]

that looks like a macbook

nice

xd

[grizzled heath]

got the ninja luxe machine

read some reviews around and it seems to have a lot of nice helper features and I want the wife to be able to use it

got some Guatemalan beans as well

[grizzled heath]

the 2nd shot out of it was a tiny bit under-extracted (but still quite good) and the 3rd shot was pretty great!

[grizzled heath]

got so excited I forgot to take a photo of the cappuccino

the foamer doesn't have a very good spout for latte art, which is unfortunate

[dense vortex]

looks pretty sick

[grizzled heath]

for £450 I am extremely satisfied

the "barista assist" and spring loaded tamper are going to be really helpful for the wife I think

I wanted to go with lever and a hand grinder but she both has a chronic illness affecting her strength and isn't really into the idea of dialing her shots in, and this machine seems to Just Work™

[dense vortex]

actually pretty impressive for 450

[vital spoke]

Is this kawasaki lol

[grizzled heath]

no I wish, ninja the blender company

wdt tool is here!!

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006368129552.html

they make 3d printed clones of the Moonraker lol

[rare acorn]

its pretty cool

[grizzled heath]

I might cop one

naked portafilter, shot mirror, and this doodad are next on the shopping list

[lapis mantle]

Looks good.

I recall Normcore make a 58mm basket funnel that would work well with.

[grizzled heath]

I've got 54mm, I think

[grizzled heath]

there is conflicting info online for the size of my portafilter, so I'm getting a certified mitutoyo caliper from a friend to measure it

insanely overkill but whatever

[vital spoke]

I need a portafilter funnel

[sharp iris]

literally the same i have

[grizzled heath]

HELL YEAH

also pardon the shitty phone cam

i don't know if I'm using it right

[rare acorn]

you gotta start deep bottom and build up

here you did like, middle depth and inner middle circle

you gotta start max depth on the outside and work your way up and in

[grizzled heath]

yeah for the shot after this I tried to do it like

[rare acorn]

you're also a little too closed in for the wdt tool, open it up a little more

[grizzled heath]

first declumping the bottom and then reducing the depth

[rare acorn]

also your grounds look clumpy are you moistening your beans before you grind?

[grizzled heath]

I am not

[rare acorn]

you should get a spray bottle and spray 2-3 times on your beans before grinding

[grizzled heath]

oh that's for anti-static right?

[rare acorn]

or if you dont have a spray bottle, get a droplet of water and shake it around your dosing cup before grinding

[rare acorn]

yeah it makes for less clumps

[grizzled heath]

I just have a hopper in the machine but I'll try that

[rare acorn]

you can singledose on hopper machine too

[grizzled heath]

yeah I think that'll be the move

[rare acorn]

instead of putting all your coffee in weigh out 18-20g and put it in at a time

what grinder?

the ninja?

[grizzled heath]

yeah

it's not unusable but definitely not amazing

[rare acorn]

the ninja does have weight-based grinding

so the play is to do like 1g more than you need

whatever is left you get out of the machine and toss

[grizzled heath]

yeah this has been cool to see

[rare acorn]

its pretty cool, wish every bean to cup was like that

[merry arrow]

You can 3d print it. Umikot

[grizzled heath]

I don't have a printer or easy access to one unfortunately

[grizzled heath]

latte Rorschach test

better results with the WDT tool this time

the barista assist thing jumped from recommending two steps larger of a grind to the grind I have it on lol

[dense vortex]

i see a jellyfish

[grizzled heath]

I don't have a spritzer bottle so I'm just flicking water off my finger onto the beans....

[thorny hare]

i flick my tap head

similar scenario

[grizzled heath]

bean flicked results seemed pretty good

the grounds were a lot less visibly clumpy

I am gonna pick up some lil perfume bottles since I need them for their intended purpose anyways

[dense vortex]

👀

[lapis mantle]

I ground some Cuban coffee this morning - and I forgot to spritz the beans with water before grinding...HUGE mistake, chaff went everywhere.

[grizzled heath]

I think I'm gonna go for a darker roast, I had pretty light roast beans for this last week or so and I didn't love them

I've got some cheap lavazza medium roast beans and I'm enjoying the flavour profile more

[vital spoke]

huh

Is that a red nescafe mug

[grizzled heath]

idt so it was my wife's originally

[rare acorn]

coffee thread revive

horrible lighting but great coffee

[rare acorn]

Mmm

[grizzled heath]

yim yum

i do weird abstract nonsense "latte art" for my wife and she tries to interpret it every time

coffee Rorschach test

[grizzled heath]

first couple shots with the naked portafilter and it's behaving strangely

it seems to be really variable in how much water it pushes through

[thorny hare]

you gotta grind your beans finer --> smaller grounds

the water is coming out too fast and the spitting streams mean there's channelling

your coffee will probably taste sour because it was underextracted

[grizzled heath]

tysm!

[rare acorn]

holy soup shot

that was like 8g/s

you now have coffee soup which might taste good if it's a light roast

@thorny hare when coffee

I gotta make some coffee, but I'm currently in Japan where they don't know what a light roast is

[thorny hare]

I haven’t had coffee in a week or two

[rare acorn]

Tokyo Roast is a different kind of dark tho, very rich very sweet very dark but not very burnt

[thorny hare]

I had a friend buy me like a 1kg pack of coffee beans and they’re generic Kenyan single origin beans and they’re a few months old, so that’s the only beans I have and idk if I should keep using them or go get fresh ones

[rare acorn]

nah kenyan is good

how is it sealed?

cause I have year old coffee that still tastes great

it's entirely dependent on how you store them

[thorny hare]

Just regular coffee bag style

With the co2 hole

[rare acorn]

old coffee is not bad the taste is just more mellow so you need a bigger dosage with finer grinds

[thorny hare]

Zip lock

[rare acorn]

is it light roast?

[thorny hare]

Not sure

Looks medium roast

[rare acorn]

if it's a light roast like, sl28 sl32/34 bean it's going to last you a few more months

medium is fine too

[thorny hare]

Like it’s probably roasted in July or August

I’ve had to grind super coarse though

Like usually I’m 15.5 or 16

But for these I’m grinding down by 14

[rare acorn]

15.5 16 on what grinder

[thorny hare]

On my Turin df64ii

[rare acorn]

ah

[thorny hare]

I need to clean the inside probably

It’s been a year

[thorny hare]

I made one today just for you

[rare acorn]

nice

is that the kenyan?

@thorny hare

[thorny hare]

yeah

caramel latte

tasted fine

just very light

It was only 500g not 1kg

I lied

Well I thought it was heavier

[rare acorn]

I keep forgetting you're doing espresso

two different schools of adjustment

cause if youre doing filter coffee with old coffee it's different from doing it with espresso

but you have a flow control machine

[thorny hare]

Website says they started on SL28, and have moved to different ones of SL, then also Ruiru 11

[rare acorn]

one thing you can do is pull at a lower flow rate, or a less aggressive flow profile

that usually helps with extraction on older beans

[rare acorn]

sl28 superior
ruiru 11 is ok

I really like sl, but idk for milk coffee

I really like sl for americano and filter coffee

maybe ruiru better for espresso

[thorny hare]

ah oke

well they dont say what bean is on the bag

it just says roast date

[rare acorn]

100% arabica is never a good sign

[thorny hare]

https://www.karungurucoffee.com/

[thorny hare]

yeah

its probably just generic beans then

[rare acorn]

yeah it says karunguru which is a popular region/estate

so it's definitely kenyan

karunguru is not typically sl tho

[thorny hare]

Karunguru Coffee Farm is a third-generation boutique coffee farm that specializes in single-origin, 100% Arabica coffee. Our coffee is grown at an altitude of 1685m ASL in the rich volcanic soil of Kenya, giving it a unique flavor profile that is both complex and balanced. We hand-pick our coffee beans at peak ripeness to ensure the highest quality, and we roast them in small batches to bring out their full flavor potential.

[rare acorn]

a little sad how little info is in that wall of text

[thorny hare]

yep

ah well

it was a gift anyways

my friend knows nothing about coffee

[rare acorn]

but 1685m altitude is good

not too high not too low

if it tastes good it tastes good

[thorny hare]

gonna get new beans on sunday probably

but i want to clean my grinder first

its probably nasty

[rare acorn]

what you planning

i've got this bag of burundi medium-dark to try
adn this bag of some ethiopian to finish

shopping coffee in japan is a unique experience

[thorny hare]

no idea, ill just check out the shelves when i get there kek

[rare acorn]

I walk into the shop and start saying origins and pointing

[thorny hare]

[rare acorn]

cause I walk in there and I translate I wanna buy coffee

and then they usually try to sell me coffee

I was pretty successful at pointing at jars of beans that looked medium roast

[thorny hare]

beanspecialist over here

[rare acorn]

so I got this medium ethiopian from god knows where

and a burundi

the ethiopian was fine, tastes like hierloom ethiopian, so basically just slightly sour coffee juice

[thorny hare]

maybe i need to do filter soon

[merry arrow]

Who cares how it looks. How does it taste

[grizzled heath]

it was actually not terrible, this was a rather light roast

but it was pretty acidic and otherwise weak

[rare acorn]

that kind of shot is not bad if it's light roast, it's just a different way of coffee

on a dark roast that would taste disgusting

[thorny hare]

still shouldnt be spitting and chugging out liquid like that

light roast is like 25 seconds instead of 30 seconds

or in that realm

[grizzled heath]

yeah it was pretty acidic

[rare acorn]

pick up a v60 for $5 and a cheap stovetop kettle for $10

[grizzled heath]

ok I'm definitely getting the hang of the naked portafilter

I realised I was single-dosing more coffee than necessary so sometimes on the first shot in a day I was getting non-spritzed beans

[thorny hare]

No 🤩

[thorny hare]

Made a mocha today and took a sip

Forgot to tak a photo prior

[rare acorn]

Nice

[rare acorn]

So disappointed, good location good service, they have a lelit and a marlkonig but muddy coffee

How is that even possible

[thorny hare]

shit beans, shit baristas and shit grinds

[rare acorn]

Yeah

I know the answers I just don't want to believe it, they're very nice people

[thorny hare]

yeah fair

i got an awful coffee the other day

and i gave it back to the barista

and i walked out

lmfao

[rare acorn]

I've done that once its not good but it genuinely is impossible to drink sometimes

When they make me a Vienna roast lungo with months old beans

[thorny hare]

I ordered a cafe mocha, and she put a shot of espresso with watered down hot chocolate from a separate hot chocolate machine

like it was espresso + water + hot chocolate powder

thats not a mocha

i explained to her that when i go to cafes, they make it like espresso + dissolved hot chocolate powder + hot steamed milk

she said, "thats how we do it here"

i just said, "ah okay, nah its okay then, im good" and i handed her the drink back and walked out

i paid n all

wasted £3.60

[rare acorn]

That's a lot for some coffee

Didnt know you lived in Copenhagen

[thorny hare]

lol

i mean yeah its expensive here

[thorny hare]

Mocha today

[grizzled heath]

hot chocolate yesterday and it'smaybe my favourite latte art I've done so far

[thorny hare]

Mocha again today

[thorny hare]

@rare acorn https://established.coffee/products/dario-rodriguez-colombia?srsltid=AfmBOoqgv-9O8ia5jgyRET-wtb4NTKSlFuAn-0stBTetat0Nr8y5ga8-

got a bag of this

thoughts

[thorny hare]

might need to get a v60

[grizzled heath]

i have been considering getting one as well

[rare acorn]

Pink Bourbon Columbian, very easy to get right, try filter with it

I had some recently, a washed anaerobic Pink Bourbon Columbian, very tasty, got it as an addon with my camera

[vital spoke]

I will try to make a cuban coffee tomorrow

[rare acorn]

idk what it is

but if you're flying in Asia, the Ethiopian Yirgacheffe they offer for about $2 on AirAsia flights is amazing

very clean

[thorny hare]

Steamed too much foam into my milk

[thorny hare]

@rare acorn do I really need a special kettle for filter

Or can I temperature probe and boil my kettle

[rare acorn]

No but it gives you control over your pour, it takes many hours to learn how to pour well with a normal kettle and it's still limiting

[thorny hare]

right

[thorny hare]

and what kettle do you recommend

if its over £30 im not getting it

[rare acorn]

The time more fish kettle is what I started with and still use for camping, it's a stove top kettle and copies of it are 5quid

[thorny hare]

i dont need more electronics in my kitchen

[thorny hare]

is this just because of the spout?

or temperature control is important too

[rare acorn]

Temperature control can be learned you don't have to buy a special kettle for it

[rare acorn]

You want a thermometer and a spouted kettle

I like the timemore digital thermometer

[thorny hare]

i have an electric thermometer

[rare acorn]

Thats fine

[thorny hare]

the kettles in the screenshot are fine?

[rare acorn]

I prefer more volume

I like the fake Hario kettles

[thorny hare]

bigger than 600ml?

[thorny hare]

these kettles are expensive man

[rare acorn]

I don't like those

[thorny hare]

those are on aliexpress

[rare acorn]

You want a flat handle not a dowel

[thorny hare]

kettles are too expensive

fuck filter i cant afford it

even aliexpress kettles are £30/kettle

[rare acorn]

My first kettle was $8

[thorny hare]

you live in SEA

[rare acorn]

I bought from the same place as you

[thorny hare]

maybe i'll need to go on facebook marketplace

[rare acorn]

Look for gooseneck kettle and pick the cheapest 600ml one

You want at least 600ml cause 2 cups is 500ml

Look on amazon or ebay

Aliexpress isn't automatically cheaper always

If you know how to use taobao use taobao

[thorny hare]

taobao dont ship direct anyways

would need an agent or something

mf start using superbuy for coffee equipment

[rare acorn]

@thorny hare try grinding filter and doing low agitation brews with your normal kettle

[thorny hare]

unnecessary purchases atm, i dont need any more clutter

i'll think about it later

maybe in the next 3 years

[grizzled heath]

I need to buy an instant read digital thermometer

[rare acorn]

im saying to use whatever you have

do you already have a $5 v60?

[thorny hare]

Not yet

[rare acorn]

im home now so I can help you pick

this is the kettle I recommend but you can often get it for half this price

exhibit A:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0962S15ZK

https://www.amazon.com/Plastic-Coffee-Dripper-Scoop-dripper/dp/B0DCT5GBJ5

https://www.amazon.com/Hario-V60-Coffee-Filters-Untabbed/dp/B00BLNPBAE

I've set you up with a starting kit for less than $30 that'll get you 95% of what you want and need

[rare acorn]

I've broken one of these kettles using it for a year and I'm on my second one, really recommend

but if you just get a $6 v60 like the one I sent and a $5 box of filters I can guide you through how to use whatever you currently have to make good coffee @thorny hare

I make cups with normal tea kettles all the time on travels

[thorny hare]

got these in my basket now

[grizzled heath]

my dad got the fancy Fellow kettle as a gift a while ago

[rare acorn]

that's good too, very similar kettle

pouring characteristics should be similar

it's less about what is good/bad and more about what you can get used to

[thorny hare]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007884359587.html?

this one is cheap

[rare acorn]

yeah thats about how much you should pay for one

the thermometer is a little useless, so replace it with a digital one

for most coffees I stick to 92c

but it can deviate, most of the time you'll have other variables to care about

[thorny hare]

but that one i linked works?

trying to find alternatives

[rare acorn]

yeah the aliexpress one works

its the one I have more or less

[thorny hare]

filters werent available but the difference is low

these are hario filters

[rare acorn]

yeah you want decent filters, they do matter

[thorny hare]

this would be under £30 which is fine

so the hario branded size 02 ones are fine then?

[rare acorn]

I sent one that has the v60 for $6

yes

[rare acorn]

check this

[thorny hare]

not available

[rare acorn]

I wouldn't pay more than 4pound

[thorny hare]

unless you want me to use a silicone one lol

the cheapest plastic one is £7.65

or i can buy the dripper on aliexpress too

[rare acorn]

how long will it take to ship

[thorny hare]

like 1-2 weeks

[rare acorn]

how are you not seeing the thing I sent as available, I put deliver to ireland

[thorny hare]

needs to be uk amazon

ireland doesnt use amazon.com

[rare acorn]

I see

[thorny hare]

do i need a pot too?

a jug

or i can just pour into a mug

[rare acorn]

i do a mug often

you only need a jug if you're doing it for 2

[thorny hare]

guess i can pour it on top of my milk pitcher

or a pint glass

[rare acorn]

yeah that works

technically not the v60 cause its a crystal dripper

but I like it too

[thorny hare]

huh

its different?

[rare acorn]

yeah but in ways that don't matter to you right now

but the crystal dripper is cool cause its sparkly and stuff

[thorny hare]

reddit says they're different drippers

i see

[rare acorn]

it's just a slightly different flow characteristic

[thorny hare]

so i should try more v60 then

[rare acorn]

yeah

most of what you find in the coffee community about the differences between these things will not matter to you for a while lol

[thorny hare]

oke

[rare acorn]

what matters more is how you pour, the water, and temperature

I like mixing some filtered water with some mineral water

if you've got a brita you can try half brita half mineral

[thorny hare]

nah i just use straight tap

it works

[rare acorn]

if you have good espresso with tap you'll get good filter too

so not much change there

[grizzled heath]

Scottish water is crazy good

[rare acorn]

they're surrounded by it, so it better be

[grizzled heath]

well most of England's water is like 30% chalk

[thorny hare]

time to order the filter and kettles then

anything else to get off aliexpress

[rare acorn]

get a TDS measuring device

they're about $1-3

so you know more about the water you brew with

I'm also curious what sorts of TDS you'll get

[thorny hare]

is this cheap

oh you said 1-3

okay

ill add it

[grizzled heath]

I'm thinking of taking some pliers and bending my milk jug to have a sharper tip

[rare acorn]

do it but dont do it because you think its going to be better

people do it not because its necessary but because they want more control

[grizzled heath]

yeah I want to be able to do more with the pouring of foam

rn I struggle greatly to get proper latte art so I am doing weird abstract nonsense

[rare acorn]

ive seen competent professionals pour better latte art using a shoe than amateurs with a $70 jug

[rare acorn]

less about how good your jug is, more about how well you know it

[grizzled heath]

this makes sense

I'm gonna start learning to manually foam it

[rare acorn]

if pliers making a sharper point will allow you to control it better, do it

[grizzled heath]

I'm ok at manually foaming but not consistent

[rare acorn]

how do you foam now? french press?

[grizzled heath]

rn I'm using the automatic foaming thing on my espresso machine

[rare acorn]

isee

[thorny hare]

i seen this barista world champion pour latte from pitcher but not from the spout

and he made like a swan or some shit

crazy control

[rare acorn]

One day, one day

Right now we've gotta focus on perfecting the heart and rosetta with a normal pour

[thorny hare]

yes

[rare acorn]

Jordan, v60

[thorny hare]

ive had a busy weekend

and my weekday is gonna get busy

[thorny hare]

Cafe mocha

[thorny hare]

@rare acorn got a few layers of beans down the Kenyan coffee and suddenly I have had to grind much finer

I had to like re-dial in

Sacrificed like 3 double shots

[grizzled heath]

I have noticed this with my cheaper bulk beans

a lot

[thorny hare]

Yeah not to sound pompous but i usually use quite high quality beans from an established coffee shop, and I don’t really buy cheap bulk coffee like in Tescos or whatever

But this bag was from a friend who was in Kenya

And he just bought a generic local Kenyan coffee

But after using the top 65% of the bag, and I was grinding as normal but then I went to make an affogato and the espresso was just sour as hell due to under extraction

Went usually from 28-29 seconds straight to 21 seconds and huge channelling

So I had to redial

[grizzled heath]

no this is very fair lol

i can't afford fresher beans as an everyday, and I honestly don't mind doing the bulk beans for everyday cups of coffee

[thorny hare]

honestly for espresso its completely fine to use bulk beans

i should probably do that more often

especially as im making so much flavoured milk drinks

i make the odd americano and its good to use the special beanos

[grizzled heath]

yeah this is the thing for me

my stomach doesn't like me doing straight coffee

[thorny hare]

ah dang

too acidic?

[grizzled heath]

i think so?

[thorny hare]

my mother would be the same

she had bad acid reflux and indigestion

so cant take too much acidic substances

coffee would mean heartburn later kek

but milk coffee is okay

[grizzled heath]

I fucked up my GI tract really good when I was a teen

oh yeah there's definitely a heartburn element

[thorny hare]

ah yar

[grizzled heath]

i do want to try some fancy beans in a pourover sometime

[thorny hare]

thats one thing dev wants me to get into

but i cant justify so much equipment

[grizzled heath]

honey process or one of the fermented heat treated ones seems really cool

[thorny hare]

even though its just a plastic dripper and filters kekw

[thorny hare]

oh yeah one time i bought an honey anaerobic 24 hours or something

[grizzled heath]

I don't have a grinder that's good for pourover grind IG

fuck

[thorny hare]

something incredibly niche

i could only make americanos

[grizzled heath]

my wife and I really like new food & drink and she's pretty into puerhs

so I figure it's up our alley enough to spend a bit on a bag for a fun experience

[thorny hare]

oh pu-er tea

does she get into the whole tea thing

like gongfu tea

[grizzled heath]

she has a British tea set but not gong-fu one yet

[thorny hare]

have you spoken to dutchjay about gongfu tea

if you do

get a chance to talk to him

[grizzled heath]

I will!

[thorny hare]

he's big into it, he buys his chinese tea in bulk straight from farmers in china

[grizzled heath]

I just got a new one

[thorny hare]

its super interesting lol

[thorny hare]

the province my parents are from are known for the tea

[thorny hare]

good shit

i love me some tea

i need to get a teapot too

[grizzled heath]

I'm considering grabbing 1kg of these bougie single-source szechuan peppercorns for Christmas

[thorny hare]

oh what

szechuan peppercorns>?!??!?!?

what you doing with them

[grizzled heath]

but it would ship from the US to UK so it's a little spendy

[grizzled heath]

I cook with them a lot

[thorny hare]

oh wow

incredible

you might be able to get them in bulk at a local chinese supermarket, they usually also do wholesale

[grizzled heath]

oh yeah the bulk ones here aren't great

[thorny hare]

oh

[grizzled heath]

i do have a lot of those but the more spendy stuff hits different

[thorny hare]

oh really

damn you're hardcore with the peppercorns

[grizzled heath]

I think the UK has heat treatment on most imports???

of the peppercorns

[grizzled heath]

yeah I want my mouth feeling like I'm licking a 9v

[thorny hare]

thats crazy

[thorny hare]

oh man

mortar and pestle

that is crazy

im impressed

[grizzled heath]

I'm gonna try and find a similar quality one sold by a UK store

[thorny hare]

should be local-ish ones that might have something similar ye

[grizzled heath]

i think it also just has a lot more depth to the flavour

the actually deranged thing I'm gonna try and do is purchase some of the pure chemical that makes your lips tingle

[thorny hare]

next you're be buying pure capsicum

[grizzled heath]

oh I've done basically this yeah

[thorny hare]

capsaicin

that word

[grizzled heath]

there are a couple super conc capsaicin things and they're good for raising the heat in a dish without changing overall flavour

[thorny hare]

carolina reapers next

[grizzled heath]

like in my pho I want sriracha and some chili oil and then I don't wanna shift the balance

[grizzled heath]

I haven't gotten into the ultrahot peppers really

[thorny hare]

speaking of pho

i must get some again

its been a while

there's a local place here that sells pho, and their signature is called, "The Pho King"

dad jokes

[grizzled heath]

i might do it for my anniversary

[thorny hare]

could i get one pho king please

you want it whole or diced

[grizzled heath]

I don't have a stockpot large enough but it'd be so fun to do my own pho sometime soon

[thorny hare]

i just wish i had gas stoves

fuck electric and induction

[grizzled heath]

i like induction

I have shitty electric

[thorny hare]

maybe its my pans

but induction doesnt retain heat on my pans

maybe its my pans

[grizzled heath]

oh hmmm

i don't know tbh I've never had it for anything but this death trap wok hob

only used other people's kitchens w/ induction and fucking loved it

[thorny hare]

i see

i bet its my pans

my pans suck

cheapo argos shit

[grizzled heath]

I've got one all clad and a cast iron and everything else is probably giving me cancer

they just came with the flat

[thorny hare]

yeah i need me a solid stainless steel frying pan or something

or a half wok looking thing

[grizzled heath]

my wok burner has been pretty fun I will admit

it does set my smoke alarm off like 4 times if I'm doing high enough heat for some proper wokhei

[thorny hare]

lol

i wish i had a good wok burner or gas stove

[grizzled heath]

I don't have an extractor fan or anything

[thorny hare]

i just have to induction

cant stir fry for shit with induction

[grizzled heath]

do you have an induction wok hob

they're not expensive

[thorny hare]

i dont

but that looks cool

[grizzled heath]

i have one branded "chef king" that was £200, 3kW, and might kill me

[thorny hare]

yeah i see the same one

3kw wok hob

[grizzled heath]

it's been quite nice tbh

[thorny hare]

its £160~?

could be interesting

good recommendation

[grizzled heath]

damn that's even cheaper than I thought

[thorny hare]

oooh its on sale

[grizzled heath]

it overheats a bit on the higher heat setting so I often just do ingredients in series for many dishes

[grizzled heath]

but that's rough for a proper stir-fry

oh yeah that's the one I've got

[thorny hare]

fried rice would taste amazing

[grizzled heath]

a torch also is pretty cheap and realllllly elevates wok cooking

even stir fries in a pan tbh

[rare acorn]

that sucks, grading and fines in African coffee hits a different way

Ethiopians and Kenyans have so many varieties that you often find even a single-origin has 3-5 varietals in one bag, or often in one single-origin you get more than 1 farm's work/farmer's work

[rare acorn]

there's nothing like gas woks

there's a dish I love that can only be achieved with a red flame, it's called morning glory

some rice wine, some oyster sauce, some miso, and soy

very simple dish but flambeing the wine and the sauce gives it a lot of complexity

[rare acorn]

single-origin Sichuan peppercorns is next-level commitment, but it does make a lot of difference, I've been really into chocolate lately

there's a cafe I go to that does very good iced chocolate, big ice cube, very rich non-diluted chocolate

[thorny hare]

ah right

[thorny hare]

shaoxing wine, oyster sauce, soy sauce is like the OG combo in any chinese stir fry dish

[thorny hare]

Mocha

[vital spoke]

Morning

[thorny hare]

Bad milk texture

[rare acorn]

@thorny hare buy a v60 filter

[rare acorn]

man

had to throw away a full 200g bag of coffee today cause it's absolutely undrinkable

who the hell thought of making flavored/scented coffee

[thorny hare]

Was this the fake Yirgacheffe

[rare acorn]

Yeah

[vital spoke]

I tried aerocano

This shit is basic but fancy in its way

And texture is good

[grizzled heath]

ordered a thermal shock gesha

[rare acorn]

I'm a big fan of spins of the Americano

particularly a big fan of espresso soda, where you get some really high quality naturally sweetened tonic and use that as the base for a Fizzy Americano

I'm also a fan of Americano Orange

I'm a pretty basic bitch when it comes to coffee, I'll drink just about anything but with a particular favor towards plain Americano

[vital spoke]

Agreed

Also love those

[grizzled heath]

trying the thermal shock gesha today

[grizzled heath]

ok so thoughts in no particular order:

the shot from these beans is pretty reddish compared to my normal coffee, which is interesting

the beans smell a lot more floral and this is reflected in the coffee

the rose notes are really noticeable

altogether it's a really different experience to coffee I've ever had before

i am really enjoying it

it's quite strange

this is the first shot and it was a little underextracted but pretty good

[rare acorn]

Looks interesting

[lofty cairn]

Hydrangea is good shit innit

[thorny hare]

havent posted any coffee recently because art looks shit

thats all.

[grizzled heath]

I find it more fun to interpret bad latte art than to see good latte art realistically

my wife and I read tea leaves but it's my shitty latte art for each other every morning

[thorny hare]

lol fair

Maybe I’ll post my shit art ones then from now on

[rare acorn]

post more cause art doesn't dictate coffee

art imitates life

[thorny hare]

Philosophy with dev

[harsh lily]

ok

[thorny hare]

nice one

[harsh lily]

thankd

[rare acorn]

the fabled snake

[thorny hare]

pretty good snake tbf

[grizzled heath]

the wife tried to remember which video game logo it reminded her of for like an hour and a half

[thorny hare]

cinnamon roll

[dense vortex]

Spore ?

[grizzled heath]

apparently hearthstone was what she thought of

[dense vortex]

oh yes that's it

[grizzled heath]

spore is so nostalgic for me

[rare acorn]

this tea I steep everynight and throw away

I wonder if I should steep it twice

cause I'm having it grandpa style, not gongfu, steeps for hours at a time

[thorny hare]

In my parents home they only steep tea from morning to evening then chuck it out

They say it’s unhealthy to drink tea from previous day

[rare acorn]

how does that work

also I'm not necessarily steeping like 50g of tea in a liter pot

I'm doing 2 tea cups worth of tea in like 5 tea cups worth of water

I've steeped it for 10 hours and the cup is as if I steeped a well proportioned cup for 3-5 minutes

[thorny hare]

Wake up in the morning, clean the teapot, chuck in some leaves, boil water, make tea, drink tea

Every so often Chuck in some freshly boiled water

They drink mild tea not too strong

Maybe around 3/4pm they’ll add more tea leaves if it gets too mild

And just boil more water add more to the teapot

[rare acorn]

watching this video

travel vlog, every where he goes he orders an Iced Americano with syrup

and he's ordered it like 6 times in this vlog

80% of the travel vlog is just him eating, which is crazy

[vital spoke]

that sounds awesome tho

[vital spoke]

btw i love nitro cold brews with vanilla or caramel syrup

[thorny hare]

Holy amazing mug

[grizzled heath]

i just got given it

[thorny hare]

I ran out of milk during the end of the pour

[dense vortex]

its a tulip

[rare acorn]

water lily

[grizzled heath]

mint choccy chip affogatto

[thorny hare]

mint choccy with an espresso? interesting

[rare acorn]

coffee icecream soup

[thorny hare]

We got a leaf

[rare acorn]

lets go

[rare acorn]

at the level of broke I took my own coffee making equipment to go make coffee at the cafe

the joys of a dark roast filter with food though

you drink a dark roast alone it tastes terrible, but man, after having fats and acids does dark roast taste good as a compliment

not sure if I've mentioned this before, but Burger King makes a banging Iced Americano for a $1, and it's so good to drink with burgers

[thorny hare]

i would probably get banned from the cafe with this lol

[rare acorn]

luckily I have a few

[thorny hare]

i think people there arent as bothered with random shit like that lol

if i brought my own v60 it would be a bit odd lol

feels very asian

[grizzled heath]

I'm getting slightly closer to actual latte art

[rare acorn]

latte art is so hard

[grizzled heath]

yeah I really underestimated it TBH

[thorny hare]

its very hard when you have no one over your shoulder

[thorny hare]

Late night mocha

[thorny hare]

Brunch mocha

[harsh lily]

lowk doesnt look dark enough for a mocha but sure lol

[grizzled heath]

had a chai latte today for the first time

was pretty nice

[thorny hare]

forgot to take a photo mocha

[rare acorn]

youve never had a chai latte before?

they're pretty nice

[grizzled heath]

I really enjoyed it

[rare acorn]

chai is nice but burns, adding milk really helps

over here we call it the Indian Milk tea cause it tastes like what Thai people drink as milk tea, except spicy

[grizzled heath]

yeah I usually drink lattes

[rare acorn]

what if we started a cafe photography thread

where we take photos of cafes we go to

[grizzled heath]

this would be really fun! I actually have been wanting to bring my x100s more around with me to shoot just like, things in my life & cafes and stuff

[thorny hare]

just send it in here

half dead anyways

relevant as well

[harsh lily]

its always starbucks for me

heres a FW i forgot to send

(maybe)

[merry arrow]

Congrats on being an aunt

[thorny hare]

Late night coffee

[harsh lily]

what do you steam your milk to

[thorny hare]

Temperature wise?

Or?

[harsh lily]

yes

[thorny hare]

I set my steam temp to 135c and I steam by touch

[harsh lily]

hm ok

[grizzled heath]

your latte art is getting so good

[thorny hare]

a barista friend told me to steam it 7 seconds and think of "wet paint"

its slowly getting better

thank you

[harsh lily]

i think the wet paint analogy doesnt really work but like as long as you can get it to be satin-like or glossy on top then youre doing something right

milk temp affects the texture a lot too, 55C gives more defined foam (because its slightly wetter)

hotter (65+ or whatever) does shit to the milk proteins and kinda kills it off basically to not really give the glossy finish

the rounder the cup you can, the better though honestly ive done some really good art on the most unround cups ever so

its a lot based on trial and error

[thorny hare]

cool beans

[harsh lily]

i personally get better results with a chocolate sauce kinda thing

but meh its whatever as long as ur shot isnt like watery or overextracted

youll get there

[harsh lily]

jesus christ

[thorny hare]

Leaf!

[harsh lily]

not bad

i can never seem to manage to do a tulip

[rare acorn]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[thorny hare]

yeeooeeeeeo

[rare acorn]

jordan

I got these

[thorny hare]

why does beans in thailand all have good graphic design and marketing

looks yummy

[rare acorn]

Roasteries and creatives with an unbridled passionate flame too fierce to fail against all odds

That bag was $7 for 200g, smells great, gotta make coffee tmrw

[thorny hare]

i wish it existed here

ehehe

i want cheap beans too

but dont exist

starts at like £10 a bag

[grizzled heath]

i get like a full kilo of lavazza beans for ~£17

[thorny hare]

a kilo is a lot hehehe

you must use a lot

i usually get 250g bags

i go to smaller local roasteries and cafes where they stock freshly roasted beans

i like to get fresh beans every few weeks

a 250g would last me maybe 2-3 weeks

actually i lie

its probably 2 weeks at best

and lower if people come over and want coffeee

[grizzled heath]

yeah my wife and I each do a latte a day usually

[thorny hare]

yeah thats fair, i usually just make coffee for myself

everyone else can eat shit

the prices add up honestly

no cap

[grizzled heath]

i want to have more people over for coffee but my flat is often kinda messy

[thorny hare]

people think, "oh its just one coffee, its fine"

ive made "one coffees" for like one of my ex-flatmates and his girlfriend for a year and they never paid me back fuck all

[grizzled heath]

oh yeah espresso is weird cause it's more efficient for the beans you do extract from

[thorny hare]

and it adds up

the amount of milk

the amount of beans

the amount of time

piss off like

[grizzled heath]

but it's pretty high cost in terms of the total quantity of beans

[thorny hare]

yep

one coffee is a lot

dont piss me off and keep asking for coffee

when you dont give shit in return

[rare acorn]

if I had to rely on local roasteries I'd be out of coffee, impossible to find stock here despite having more cafes than baristas

sells out really well despite a single bag of coffee costing someone's day wage

[thorny hare]

wat

[thorny hare]

we have maybe a dozen roasteries

[rare acorn]

low supply
very high demand

[thorny hare]

we have high supply, not high enough demand

kek

normies will just resort to basic instant coffee anyways

[rare acorn]

I know a roaster

locally roasted, very nice coffee

[grizzled heath]

a block down the road I have some single source beans available

but they're really pricey

[rare acorn]

they make a medium-dark roast I like for quite cheap, beautiful as espresso, but also great with biscuits when I'm camping

[thorny hare]

yeah the one i go to have beans that start from £10 and go all the way up to like £32 a bag

all 250g or 200g lol

i try buy as cheap as possible

because its espresso anyways

and i do the odd americano

[grizzled heath]

yeah same here

[rare acorn]

there's a roaster in town

they stock about 20 different single origins

[grizzled heath]

around £10-20 for 250 or 400g

[rare acorn]

$15-20 per bag, but very convenient

don't know how they make profit, there's close to $50k in equipment alone in these cafes

[thorny hare]

probably a lot of profit

selling 250g beans are probably the biggest turnover products?

the packaging maybe costs more

[rare acorn]

well

most cafes make major money doing b2b

cafes have to sell someone's coffee, and not all cafes have their own roaster

[grizzled heath]

the 250g bags here are really good but they're just way outside my budget

[thorny hare]

yeah, our cafe roaster does b2b all over the country

[rare acorn]

another cafe I like

they make their money selling gourmet dishes, expensive champagne, and craftbeer

[grizzled heath]

today was the first time I've gone out for coffee in ages

[rare acorn]

the cafe's just a distraction

[grizzled heath]

i feel like I can beat a lot of the local cafes with my machine at home and some care

[thorny hare]

yeah its easy

for them its just efficiency

[grizzled heath]

we have some good ones but it's still kinda dependent on whether the right ppl are working

just doing the spritz on my beans is such a big improvement over not doing so

[rare acorn]

guy who sold me my camera was a cafe owner who did primarily b2b

business lounge, roast coffee, leica SL2s

a clash of interests

[thorny hare]

breh

[rare acorn]

people don't believe how much it matters

I don't really do it anymore cause most of the time I'm making coffee in situations where there's too many variables lol

[thorny hare]

time to open a cafe dedicated to creatives and sell creative merch

[grizzled heath]

the wdt is less of an effect I think

[rare acorn]

when I make coffee in camping I just wing it

mix random waters til I feel it's right, boil to random temps

the only variable I have control over is my $400 handgrinder dialed precisely to whatever number I was feeling

[thorny hare]

chaotic bean juice

[rare acorn]

you do it enough you'll make the Art close to a Science

@thorny hare

$6 and you get 180g and a cool bottle

should've bought some tbh

[thorny hare]

forgive your ex

[rare acorn]

Forgive your ex was nice, it's a light roast ethiopian

[thorny hare]

are these beans?

[rare acorn]

yes they're all beans

[thorny hare]

very small bottles

id barely have much left after i dial in

lol

[rare acorn]

Your bipolar boss is a medium roast, some mix, something involving costa rica

well just get better and dial it perfectly the first time

[thorny hare]

hard level to master

i have skill issue

[rare acorn]

was yummy

very bright, very rich, very Thai, but the mix of the Ethiopian was a welcome addition, fixed what I disliked about red soil Catuai and gave it a nice pleasant roll off

mellow, candy-like, but a natural jammy fruity feel, not artificial, not harsh

works with what I was pairing it with at the time

the fruity cut through the nutty of the dessert, but the sweetness worked throughout, and it's got a hint of roast from being a medium-light that makes it work well with foods

[thorny hare]

Maaaaaate @rare acorn @grizzled heath

My best one yet

[rare acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/buttsmarnn-gif-18440715

[harsh lily]

full to the brim

[harsh lily]

dang

[rare acorn]

flat white?