Design Dojo

[pastel rain]

too much to do in 15

[cedar rapids]

This banner is gonna be up till end of May.

[pastel rain]

unless you just sckew and shear what you have

[cedar rapids]

[chrome socket]

depends on the size really, and whats going on infront of the images

[cedar rapids]

Too late already. Deadline has passed.

[chrome socket]

the isometric idea is always fun, just populate with more frames than needed and sheer and rotate - and + the same value

[cedar rapids]

Yeah, but I ran out of time cause the booster club barely gave me the green light for my banner.

[chrome socket]

weird

oh well, it happens

[cedar rapids]

Had only an hour to turn it around.

[cedar rapids]

I would’ve used the same thing as the one I showed you not long ago, but other sports are in it.

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket looks like I can still make changes to it, this is a draft and I'm not liking it.

Any suggestions could you make?

[chrome socket]

remove the default frame line or shadow effects on the images in the back

[cedar rapids]

That's just the preview, I thought I was buggin out for a bit.

[chrome socket]

oh.. add white behind the text of your logo

so it fills the letters

[cedar rapids]

Like an outer glow?

[chrome socket]

no

white in the text

dont make them transparent

[cedar rapids]

Like so?

[chrome socket]

dont have the drop shadow in your logo

have the white background and the logo on the same group then add the effect

[cedar rapids]

I got lazy, so I just created a new artboard in AI and did this rancid workaround

[chrome socket]

lol

[cedar rapids]

Here's the revision

[chrome socket]

yay I can actually read your logo better

bring the jbphoto.org closer to the logo, just by a little bit

[cedar rapids]

And also centered everything. How's that now?

[chrome socket]

notice the row of images that are under the link, make the link centred to those images

keep the main logo where it is tho

[cedar rapids]

It is. Does it look off to you?

[chrome socket]

see how its not centred to the row of images

its like aligned to the top of the row of images

[cedar rapids]

OH! Height-wise. Not width.

Gotcha.

[chrome socket]

yeah

[cedar rapids]

That does bother me too.

[cedar rapids]

Like so?

[chrome socket]

yup

[cedar rapids]

Okay, thanks

I'm open to more changes.

[chrome socket]

thats all I can think of atm

[cedar rapids]

Should I have AI do some generative recolor to the school colors?

[chrome socket]

nah

[cedar rapids]

Yeah, was a bad idea.

[cedar rapids]

Should I just print this banner as is or should I make some more changes?

[chrome socket]

print as is

[cedar rapids]

Should I add something like "Go Eagles!" or something like that?
That's our school mascot.

Or is it just overcomplicating it now?

[chrome socket]

up to you, I don't know the amount of enthusiasm or how they want to see something like that

[cedar rapids]

Probably minimal. But ehh, what gives?

[chrome socket]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cedar rapids]

Ehh fuck it. I’m leaving that out and go with what we agreed is the final product.

Thanks Tom

[chrome socket]

Lol, I am trying to make a script for indesign (with chatgpt's help) to convert Swatches into.. haha.. ||an .icc file||

[foggy jetty]

so umm

this is like a post that we've made so far

or at least my boss did

working on another post rn

and I kinda need some help with the text formatting, style, spacing, and background elements

like I feel like i got the basics down, but kinda having trouble finishing it off

[split bridge]

this will be an instagram post on the same page?

[foggy jetty]

yes

separate posts tho

[split bridge]

but still on the same insta page? if so i would at least try to make something that resembles the earlier post to make the page consistent

[foggy jetty]

yeah thats what im struggling with

tryna make a consistent style

the fonts are the same

and boss told me she liked the photo placement

just need to figure background elements and text

[split bridge]

im not a big fan of those red lines, looks very out of place

[foggy jetty]

hmm should i stick with black and white?

red is my school color tho

[split bridge]

if this is sort of an application form, you could maybe go with the taped vibe, and make the text fields like torn out note book page or something like that

[foggy jetty]

hmm

lemme see

[split bridge]

would fill in the emptiness a bit

[foggy jetty]

hmm

i dont think I have enough space

lemme think

[split bridge]

ooh, now its going somewhere in the same direction as the previous posts

[foggy jetty]

yup

problem is

i just have to figure out to format the damn 4 questions 💀

[cedar rapids]

Why are you using Canva?

80-90% of this thread despises the use of Canva.

@chrome socket this is your area, too.

[foggy jetty]

im planning to switch to figma

but canva rn is very convenient for me

i think smth like this is good

just need to figure out placement

[silver steeple]

hello once again graphic design dojo

anyone have any ideas on how i should fill the space in the top left?

[pastel rain]

the dojo grows

uhhhhhhhh

just put a wheel of cheese up there

option two

center the wheel

mask the side pannel

das it

[silver steeple]

i like this idea better

thanks

[lost summit]

Frik it... Logo design I had done for a competition for school

[pastel rain]

ouuuu

love it

[lost summit]

Yeah. Objectively it was the best out of all the ones presented

My school still went with something ugly

And they even changed the colours on my design for the final round of voting...

[pastel rain]

tastless people, what you gonna do

[lost summit]

They literally went for the worst colour that exists

It's kinda like an olive-ish green

[pastel rain]

i think green is my least favorite color

dont think i've ever designed anything to be green

unless its meant to be evil

[lost summit]

This is the weird colour the school chose

Despite the fact the colour doesn't match with the emotions they wanted to transmit

[pastel rain]

did they stick with your logo?

thats good at least

at least its not bright green, its very hmmm

sober / somber

bit too serious

trying to portray ivy league

[lost summit]

No. It was a competition between both the first years and us second years of our course, and mine didn't win

[pastel rain]

[lost summit]

And I was the only who had the whole branding variations

The logo that won is the first one

[pastel rain]

thats not even a logo

oh lawd

i hate 3 & 4 the most, i get it but its very forced

6 is not great but and i would not use it but i do like the idea

[lost summit]

Want to see some of the AI generated ones?

[pastel rain]

oh no

show

[lost summit]

These are all that were handed in for the competition, let's see if you find some of the AI ones

[pastel rain]

ah you want me hunting

3 4 9 19

is my guesses

15 could be too

ai is getting better at fonts

also out of the 2, second one is better visually

[lost summit]

You're very wrong on 15 that's one of the only few that had proper work put into it

[pastel rain]

[lost summit]

9 and 10 are definite AI, two of my friends made those and just slapped some extra text on it

24 is either AI or a bad combination of two google images

And I think 12, the book with the plant was AI and then vectorised in illustrator

[cedar rapids]

My logo isn't that great...

At least it's a vector though, unlike some others in town.

[chrome socket]

So, something worth noting is that you always want to make a general mockup set for the situations where the logo will be used, it can determine if you need to make "assisting logos" or another way of calling it is "alias logos"
where you have a simplistic version/detail cutdown on a logo where needed, like forms, or even business cards (back sides or front sides to cut down on logo realestate, allowing more detail)

so what I will often do is make mockup versions of cards and forms, to see the ledgability and ability of that logo design, like if it works well as a small logo, or even if its printed in black and white.

[cedar rapids]

Tom's writing an essay, ladies and gents.

[chrome socket]

I am

Anyways in todays Adventures With InDesign With: Tom

I made a tool ages ago that allows exporting by page attributes (page attribute > color) for exporting certian pages.
little did I know I actually made a better exporting system than what comes with indesign.... ok well, a safer way

when working with huge files in indesign, sometimes exporting is a pain, and by pain I mean it will crash depending on many factors.

anyways! the tool I made basically uses a color attribute on a page, and tags the page numbers and throws them into the PDF export page range.
why is this a better exporting system? because normally when you export in indesign, it grabs everything and throws it at the computer, thus sometimes resulting in a crash.
but if you tell the export to export in a range, indesign calls for the assets for each page individually and then combines them at the end.

so if your indesign is crashing on large documents.
make the page range go "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8" and so on to your last page. it will be a safer way to export

anyways thanks for listening to my TOMTalk

-# it also exports faster....

[silver steeple]

ciao ciao

thoughts… 🙈

[pastel rain]

the weel on the left is bit odd

rest is cool

[silver steeple]

idk where else to put it tho

[pastel rain]

not putting it anywhere is an option

[silver steeple]

😢

[pastel rain]

you do not need to fill all empty space

[silver steeple]

ye but i wanna incorporate it cuz you dont see the wheels anywhere else

also the picture in the top right would have to be scaled up quite big to fill the space the wheel os covering up

[pastel rain]

thats what i'm trying to tell you

you dont have to fill the space

embrace

empty

space

[silver steeple]

ik ik

i just thought it fit nicely

[chrome socket]

things may fit nicely, but sometimes that nice fit might be more distracting then it needs to be

kinda like dresses that show more cleavage than they need to... then again... im not too against that...

dont listen to me

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket shit’s fucked

[chrome socket]

not my fault

-# <runs away>

[lost summit]

Unfortunately the heads at my school don't understand how logos work

[chrome socket]

thats why I make mockups...

and a general design brief

[lost summit]

I wasn't even allowed to hand in all of the logos...
I was only allowed one

[chrome socket]

I've been told that... but I tell them "you're dumb, Im making more, deal with it"

and I tell them "Im not in the business to waste time"

[lost summit]

When it's a competition it's kinda a bit different tho tbf

[chrome socket]

what a shallow logo comp 😂

[lost summit]

Most competitions are screwed

[chrome socket]

yup

[lost summit]

Another friend took part in a competition for a poster for a local market type thing. And the one that won was just a mashup of tons of photos that didn't even look good

[chrome socket]

most logo comps like that are "make coolest logo" not "asses your skills in designing a logo and assess your design workflow and thought process"

[silver steeple]

thoughts?

[chrome socket]

Centre the GTFord

[pastel rain]

1/2 a portfolio from very far away

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket Hi Tom, do you use any packing materials for your prints when you ship out by any chance?

[chrome socket]

Bubble Wrap, Craft Paper, boxes oh and shrink wrap

[cedar rapids]

I'm slowly parting ways and I'm considering more economic options.

Have you ever used honeycomb packing paper before?

[chrome socket]

nah, I just use craft paper. simple, easy.
honeycomb packing paper can just be a mess and a pain to manage

[cedar rapids]

Only reason why I'm considering it is because it's relatively cheaper by square foot.

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket I meant "I'm slowly parting ways (with plastic)"

[chrome socket]

ahhhhhhh

fair

[cedar rapids]

I even got custom made water activated tape just for the fun of it

[chrome socket]

warranty voided on a rainy day 😂

[cedar rapids]

I think they're printed with UV or something.

The ink on it has a glossy finish to it, something you can't find with conventional inkjet large formats.

[chrome socket]

ahhhh

[cedar rapids]

I could be wrong though.

Please advise

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket @pastel rain lines or no lines?

Making sticky notes.

Or even @foggy jetty

Just need an answer quick

[foggy jetty]

no lines

lines make it look cluttered

[cedar rapids]

What about this?

Wait, you use Canva...

I can't trust Canva users opinion(s).

[foggy jetty]

erm

I personally like clean blank spaces on post it notes

but the image doesn't look too bad

[cedar rapids]

So what would you prefer?

[foggy jetty]

blank

[cedar rapids]

I'm kinda mixed between the two.

I just did a test print and the one without the image on the background doesn't look as bad as it is.

[chrome socket]

Lines are good

[cedar rapids]

Okay, what about second set?

[pastel rain]

no lines

no watermarked stuff

wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too busy

[cedar rapids]

Fuck you

I already hit print.

[pastel rain]

reprint

[cedar rapids]

@pastel rain @chrome socket for context, the sticky notes are just freebies for my orders when I pack them or when I go to events and hand out freebies.\

[pastel rain]

[cedar rapids]

So, yeah -- you kinda figure why the photo was implemented, you know?

[pastel rain]

advertising

[cedar rapids]

Yee.

[chrome socket]

Yeah, so lines helpful… everyone can fight me on this one if they don’t agree

[cedar rapids]

I’ll reprint more if I need to.

[chrome socket]

😬
I just realised I made a... tool, that can be misused...

Fiery has spot colors, which includes the latest Pantone Colors as spot colors.. I made a tool that converts the exported .icc into indesign swatches...

I was gonna make a tool that people can use to quickly send swatches to fiery and back, but I realised that there is a serious ethical problem here 😂 😅

[chrome socket]

-# I did notice that fiery locks the export function for factory spot colors (which includes pantone colors) however you can copy and paste pantone colors from that library to a new group

anyways, thanks for listening to my TOMTalk

[cedar rapids]

So skill issue…? Or just a common sense thing?

[chrome socket]

Huh?

its not even a skill issue, or a common sense thing...
Im saying that I made a tool that can easily yoink Pantone Colors off fiery, because I made a tool that converts the exported ICC file from that window, to indesign swatches

[cedar rapids]

Sorry, Tom. Excuse my stupidity.
Was shooting game while trying to be on Discord.

[chrome socket]

I expect better from you

I am very disappointed

[cedar rapids]

Stfu

[silver steeple]

thoughts? is the shadow much

[foggy jetty]

yes

looks kinda off

[chrome socket]

yeah too much shadow... but I have a bigger question... why is it in the grass?

they should be driven, not driven into the grass

also, its nice to have the car have some breathing room on the sides

[silver steeple]

this better?

[pastel rain]

i'm with it

maybe move the logo up a bit

[silver steeple]

which is better?

@pastel rain 🙏

[cedar rapids]

Where's the time for the games? Location of games?

[silver steeple]

they're on the next slides

each slide will be for each of the games with the details

[cedar rapids]

What are you using to design this?

Please don't say Canva.

[chrome socket]

and if it is canva, just lie

say its photoshop

[cedar rapids]

Gross.

[chrome socket]

wait... but then we would think you're lying...

dont say photoshop

if it is photoshop, say lemon and clap 3 times

[silver steeple]

absolutely not

[chrome socket]

what even is this?

excuse my industrial standardness 😂

anyways, the second is better. then yeah have people swipe to the next set of info

[silver steeple]

its the godaddy editing app

its pretty shit

but ive been using it for like 8 years so i know my way around it well

[cedar rapids]

What is this?

[chrome socket]

aye its probs got better output than Canva

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cedar rapids]

Second iPad:

[chrome socket]

Fukin bie’in all da smol fruut teknologika

[silver steeple]

thoughts?

[cedar rapids]

I only question the photo used here. Why this player that's not wearing the uniform?

Or at least grab some photos from last season if the photo above was from a scrimmage.

[pastel rain]

too many colors going on

[chrome socket]

Dont use contrasting colors here, makes it too messy and hard to read

[foggy jetty]

@chrome socket just need a quick input

which color palatte do you think will look best in sort of a food/recipe context

for an app as well

[chrome socket]

this one. however you are missing important context for me. what is the branding of the restaurant and so on..
no point in making color pallets if you dont know what you're looking for

also. you kinda want to choose colors that work in both a print format and a digital format

I wouldn't look at Hex codes.
I know, very cliche esk of me to say this, but use Pantone

[foggy jetty]

how would I be able to check/know this?

[foggy jetty]

currently working on branding and logo

but it'll be food service

[chrome socket]

by using Pantone

pantone colors are made to keep general uniformity from print and digital (to a tolerance)

[foggy jetty]

gotcha

ill look into that

[chrome socket]

if you begin with pantone, then you're solved for life basically, you wont ever have inconsistant colors

[foggy jetty]

thanks 🙌

[cedar rapids]

Imagine not knowing Pantone

Crazy

[chrome socket]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

alot of people don't

the amount of times I have asked a newbie over here "so you know pantone?" and they go "not really, no" is alot more than you think

sure it gets taught, but not really used

they know of the thingo, but dont know the thingo

[cedar rapids]

Basically, skill issue?

[chrome socket]

Yup

I don’t blame them tho, most have never worked with it

They know how to apply a Pantone color but apart from that all they know is that it’s a color

And it’s kinda hard to teach it without showing why it’s important

And it’s not that easy to do in practice for them to understand

[cedar rapids]

So, still skill issue.

[foggy jetty]

alright I'm looking into them right now, but do I need color accurate monitors for working with them?

also, it doesn't seem to be the biggest priority for me now, as most of our services are digital, and prolly don't need any print work yet

but once, I maybe need to work with print, I'll keep it in mind

Can I convert hexcode into pantone?

[cedar rapids]

Yes, but it's going to be an approximation and not a perfect match due to the differences in values between hex and Pantone.

Hexcode is strictly RGB, Pantone is formulated with different values of ink to produce the right color per the branding guide.

[foggy jetty]

yeah ima try to see if anyone has the physical swatch book

to make sure the colors look right

[cedar rapids]

Bum.

[chrome socket]

“Yet” it’s always good to future proof the designs you make.
For reference, Pantone colors are set to Lab, they are designed to work on both, you don’t need to remember a hex code all the time, just a Pantone number, and realistically speaking hex codes are influenced more by your profile then a spot color is. When working with Pantone not only do you have a system that works across mediums, but you also have consistent colour regardless of having a colour accurate monitor or not.
Not using a color system like Pantone puts you at a disadvantage when you eventually do need to print or ensure you have the correct colors

[chrome socket]

You do not strictly need a color accurate monitor

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket feel like I could be wrong with this response, please let me know

[chrome socket]

You’re not, you’re thinking of it in the print side more than the digital/middle ground

You are correct

What I am saying is that Spot Colors like Pantone colors are held to a standard, where as arbitrary numbers that define a color, RGB/HEX, CMYK (and even. Lab in ways) is subjected to be changed depending on your color profiles

-# " Pantone colors are set to Lab, they are designed to work on both" kinda contradicts what I just said in terms of "(and even Lab in ways)". but thats a different scenario. this refers to the fact that Lab is a perceptual chromatic color space, meaning it converts to both Subtractive and Additive accurately (basically supports CMYK and RGB at the same time)

[cedar rapids]

Type normal

My eyes can't perceive small texts on a projector screen.

[chrome socket]

deal with it, I do that to comment and correct myself with more context without taking up more room

[cedar rapids]

Finally went from a lamp-based projector to laser now.

The contrast with this is so much better.

Almost looks like I'm looking at an OLED screen.

[chrome socket]

😮

[cedar rapids]

Right? It's so refreshing to see.

I don't get fatigued easily nor have the need to run my fans on high anymore due to the heat produced by the lamp.

I feel so stupid for not doing it a long time ago.

[silver steeple]

well its kinda hard

cuz the graphic is for my school which is purple and gold

but our football team is merged with another schools whos maroon

any recommendations

[chrome socket]

Make "Game" white, and "of the" purple
where it says "7:00PM FRIDAY" add the purple gradient on that side, and bring it up a bit to give some contrast for behind that 7:00pm. one shouldn't need to squint or try harder to read something because the colors used makes them harder to read

you should be able to read it from far away, not up close or squinting

what I like doing is designing something and then sitting far back from my screen

shit thats annoying to read gets re-set

[silver steeple]

this any better?

[foggy jetty]

yeah just looking at it, it seems to be the best way to keep colors consistent on print and digital

the only issue is getting my hands on a swatch book

[chrome socket]

yup

[chrome socket]

Il shoot you a DM

[foggy jetty]

bet

[chrome socket]

after I find them myself.. will be a bit, dealing with stuff over here 😂

[pastel rain]

ideally you dont wanna put a logo behind a color layer

it is improvd from the previous technically

but its still chaos

color wise

[cedar rapids]

Excuse you?

You’re giving him something and not me?

[chrome socket]

I dont expect you to need what I gave him

[cedar rapids]

I do

He’s got enough money.

[chrome socket]

Do you don’t…

[cedar rapids]

Yes I do

[chrome socket]

what do you think I gave him?

[cedar rapids]

Pantone book

[chrome socket]

you should already have them

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket quick and dirty premiere announcement, good enough?

I kinda need an answer quick.

[chrome socket]

yeah its good enough

[cedar rapids]

Thanks Tommy

Wait, what?

[chrome socket]

You said quick and dirty and you needed answers quick

Suggesting you needed to get it done in minimal time

So I have no problem about where it is, but I do think there could be improvements

[cedar rapids]

Oh, no. I agree with you there.

But the final marketing stuff, I will need to brush up on a few eyes for.

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket how tacky is including a thank you card in a package that you would send to a customer?

[chrome socket]

not tacky at all

[cedar rapids]

Okay, fair. I just don't want to come off cringe or anything.
You can easily overdo a thank you card, right?

[chrome socket]

meh, most people think its nice

[cedar rapids]

I’ll run it by you when I’m done brainstorming ideas

[chrome socket]

okie

[cedar rapids]

I need help actually

[chrome socket]

throw "tank u" on an a6 or bcard and call it a day

[cedar rapids]

Blocked.

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket I hadn’t made my mind up yet

[chrome socket]

Indecisive fucking dumbass!

I mean!

Umm

[cedar rapids]

Yeah you’re blocked

[chrome socket]

Daaammnn thats. not good

[chrome socket]

I hate it when I need to suit a design for Pur Bound.... when they dont give me the spine artwork...
-# Branding Removed for legal reasons

(dont worry about the non optically aligned spine text)

[cedar rapids]

I need more context

[chrome socket]

you don't

[cedar rapids]

I do

[chrome socket]

they gave me artwork without a spine....

so I had to make artwork with a spine

read my original message 😂

[cedar rapids]

Look; I’m tired

Been a long day.

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket here's one of my earlier spreads

[chrome socket]

text not optically centred to the background box

text too close to image

apart from that I very like

me also wants to go to japan even more now

😭

[cedar rapids]

Guess what year this was implemented?

[chrome socket]

2006

[cedar rapids]

Hell no

This was my 2018-2020 era of design.

As time went on, I’ve kind of lacked the creative aspect of the internal design of the books lately.

[chrome socket]

oh, that looks alot like my 20and like 12 styles I worked on

[cedar rapids]

2021-2023 was my slump era.

2024-present is where my creative juices have boosted-ish

[chrome socket]

I kinda miss the whole bubble period people were on, because I managed to make some tools that refracted local objects

basically apple now 😂

well not tools, but workflows

involved having a proxy like version of the document in photoshop behind everything

[cedar rapids]

I actually would like your opinion on this year’s cover actually, if you don’t mind

[chrome socket]

shoot

[cedar rapids]

Felt like we had this discussion before where I have an acrylic cutout on the cover of the book and under that would be a plastic sleeve to insert a photo of the student and the theme is “This Is Exactly You!”

Some of the elements on the front cover will both be metallic blue and blue foil stamp.

[chrome socket]

me no remember

[cedar rapids]

The rest of the book being white.

[chrome socket]

Grrr, gotta love how adobe apps still use ISO 320000:2008 PDF standard...

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket I want to run some ideas by you for the thank you cards,

[chrome socket]

Okie

[cedar rapids]

Let’s revisit this later

[chrome socket]

<_<

[cedar rapids]

I’ve forgotten about it already.

Something came up and I had to attend to that matter immediately.

[chrome socket]

You fucking fuck

[cedar rapids]

Was a family emergency.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[chrome socket]

Aint I family by now?

[cedar rapids]

Blocked

[chrome socket]

fucking rude

[cedar rapids]

[chrome socket]

😂

[cedar rapids]

Well, I’m still decently awake

@chrome socket fuck you this is your fault

Anyways

[chrome socket]

everything is my fault

[cedar rapids]

What my thinking was for the thank you card is just have the front with my logo on it and one of the blues from my logo but bring the opacity down of the blue to like... 10-25%?

Then use the collage I made of the players on the opposite side of it, bring down the opacity and write some propaganda shit about thanking them for their order, etc.

Too much going on or you think that would work?

[chrome socket]

perfectly fine... you could also add some note lines for order comments or something

[cedar rapids]

Ideally would need to have the final design done by next Friday and start printing them because I have another batch of orders.

[chrome socket]

gives you a way to say "fuck you" to the customer

sending mixed messages

[cedar rapids]

What do you mean? I don't plan on customizing each card 😭 all I want to do is just drop these into their package/envelopes and dispatch them for acquisition.

[chrome socket]

you dont need to customise each card, just note lines if you ever need to actually write something down

like pack order

[cedar rapids]

OH!

Like a postcard?

[chrome socket]

yeah, make it functional

[cedar rapids]

Hmm, if that's the case -- I could just add in a blank field and then utilize one of the trays on my Brother laser printer and just customize it each time an order is packed?

I have letter and legal perforated in the one Brother printer, the third tray is sitting empty.

[chrome socket]

I mean you can overprint it, but Im just saying note lines so you can draw a dick or something

[cedar rapids]

Perhaps I could utilize that tray for that.

[cedar rapids]

I may dislike some customers but I need to be professional about this

[chrome socket]

you dont have to!!!

it can be fuckin empty

[cedar rapids]

Otherwise the school will pull my contract early due to misconduct.

[cedar rapids]

Nah fuck you, I'll whip up a design tomorrow and see how I like it

I'm very picky with how I design my stationaries often, so bear with me with this process.

[chrome socket]

I'm just a fuckin empty whiteboard without any markers to you am I?
just talk to the fucking thing and just end up going with what you already was gonna do!
😂

[cedar rapids]

Nah I'll revisit with what you said and go from there.

[chrome socket]

haha

[cedar rapids]

Too lazy to turn the Mac Mini back on, I'm just on my MacBook shopping on Amazon and Discord.

Winding down for the night

[chrome socket]

considering the power button placement, I dont blame you

[cedar rapids]

At this point, I may just end up putting the Mac Mini to sleep so I don't have to bother with the power button,.

To be fair, the external NVME enclosure/hub combo elevates the entire thing, making the power button accessible.

Let me grab you a link for the Amazon listing.

[chrome socket]

yee same, I just have a script app I call that throws it to sleep, so I can just set it to sleep by typing in spotlight

[cedar rapids]

This is what I have
https://a.co/d/9WMYjen

If you check it out, the area for the power button is slightly more accessible than before.

Also features a NVME enclosure built into the hub itself so I can have more storage for it.

So good.

[chrome socket]

yee, there are cool

[cedar rapids]

Too bad the 990 Pro only goes up to 2TB.

Still plenty of storage for photos and some audio work, but for my entire workflow.

[chrome socket]

Imma have to remake my tool from scratch to support the later versions of indesign 😭

thx adobe

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket trying to use ID on my base M1 Air with YouTube and Discord on the second screen. Does ID have issues running on such amount of memory or is it because it's my first launch?

[chrome socket]

Thermal throttling, usually launches pretty quickly on the M1’s at the office I’m at

And InDesign can run on 4gbs of ram.. will launch and work fine for simple shit

[cedar rapids]

That does sound about right, I'm just trying to get familiar with ID on Mac so I remain true and hybrid.

[chrome socket]

In addition to JSX files, you can also run AppleScripts from InDesign, so if you need to do file organisation automation workflows, keep that in mind

Whereas windows only lets you run jsx files

And the other super specific one

[cedar rapids]

I'm going to stay away from scripts at the moment, need to learn the keyboard shortcuts and everything then get more into the niche side of things.

[chrome socket]

Basically all the same, but cmd and control keys are switched

[cedar rapids]

I might get the M4 Mac Pro or Mini as a secondary machine in my workspace at the print shop.

[chrome socket]

Dew it

InDesign benefits from a little more processing headroom

[cedar rapids]

Better than Windows/Intel?

[chrome socket]

Actually for quite some time yes though nowadays InDesign on windows is GPU accelerated, as of this years version

But either way Apple makes some very efficient chips

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket thought I'd update you on the whole MacBook debacle.

I just gave up on the delivery with Amazon, so I had the gifter cancel the order and they insisted on giving me cash in response to the faulty shipment.

Now I'll be using that cash to purchase the MacBook, but not through Amazon this time.

[lost summit]

Am I cooking?? Or am I cooked? 😭

[pastel rain]

hmmmmm

you got some other early variations?

these feel mostly the same

the middle ones work well i think, text next to logo

[lost summit]

I mean they're the same.. Just colour and layout variations

[pastel rain]

i think monochrome blue works well

orange is a tricky color with colorblindness

i dont think there is enough contrast for the orange & yellow ones

[lost summit]

Das red

And fair

But I'm working with pre existing brand colours

[pastel rain]

ah ok

feels more blood orange then red

[lost summit]

I mean, fair. 85 Magenta and 90 Yellow

Making this took me way too long tbf..

Still trying to learn this new program

[pastel rain]

what is is

[lost summit]

Affinity

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket

[foggy jetty]

@chrome socket need some help

do you know how to make these overlapping circle design in illustrator/figma

I dont think im doing this right

nvm I got it

just needed to play around with the blend mode

[cedar rapids]

Never too early to be listening to Christmas

[foggy jetty]

looks a lot better now

[pastel rain]

love it

right on my bday

[chrome socket]

I know you have figured it out already, but there is a SVG effect called radial gradient (usually found in a gradient effect setting)

[foggy jetty]

I tried radial gradient

doesnt work

[chrome socket]

True, just got out of bed, looks more linear

[chrome socket]

just got into work. yeah linear
Also I am totally stealing this for a design one day 😂

[foggy jetty]

ahahahaha

ur welcome

[chrome socket]

made this last week. aswell as a tool to auto update the text saying what spot color it is... wish InDesign had a Text Variable that lists a spot color...

[cedar rapids]

It's not a PDF

[chrome socket]

yeah. IK.... its so you can see the tool tip showing how the auto updating thingo works.. but sure

[cedar rapids]

Still not a PDF

[chrome socket]

Patience fuck knuckle

[cedar rapids]

Also, having issues with Fiery Command Workstation to load on this MBP.

[chrome socket]

how so?

[cedar rapids]

Wouldn't recognize any servers.

[chrome socket]

you on the same network?

oh wait!

I know exactly the problem

go to system settings

[cedar rapids]

Yes.

[cedar rapids]

Okay, and?

[chrome socket]

Privacy & Security

[cedar rapids]

Oh, the Firewall?

[chrome socket]

Local Network

and then make sure Fiery Command Workstation is checked on

this is one of the problems i solved for Ricoh

head tech called me up and asked "how did you fix this again?"

[cedar rapids]

Could you type any slower?

[chrome socket]

So

basically

you

want to

go

to

your mums house

[cedar rapids]

It is checked off before I even messed with it.

Weird.

[chrome socket]

So it sometimes just unchecks after updates

so every time you update, and nothing is working, often that is the problem

this is a recent thing

[cedar rapids]

Sorry, I mean checked on.

[chrome socket]

oh in that case. also make sure full disk access is checked

[cedar rapids]

It is as well.

Weird.

[chrome socket]

you using MacOS 15? (some dumbass California place)

[cedar rapids]

26

[chrome socket]

thats your problem

[cedar rapids]

Was able to load it just fine with other Mac devices.

The one M4 Mac Mini that acts as the drop-in computer at the shop is macOS 26 and has CMD just fine.

[chrome socket]

have you tried to ping the machines?

because if they do respond, then it has to be an application/os problem

[cedar rapids]

Yes, all is good there.

[chrome socket]

yep, so it has to be fiery's access to the network somehow

fiery just cannot see the network

[cedar rapids]

Hmm, could uninstall and then reinstall for the sake of it.

[chrome socket]

worth a try

and then double check your privacy & security

because the fix I said earlier, fixes this exact problem

seemingly not this time

[cedar rapids]

Will do, might head out for the day cause am tired.

[chrome socket]

If I had my laptop on me which runs 26, I could check on my side

but I am not updating my main computer to check

26 aka: Inconsistent Traffic Lights Sizes

does Cali have different size stop lights everywhere?

if they do, then I understand their dumbass want to make them unnessesarily fucking huge in finder

[pastel rain]

same

[foggy jetty]

uhh no

I haven't upgraded to 26

yet

i personally dont rly like the liquid glass aesthetic

[chrome socket]

I like it

[cedar rapids]

Skill issue

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket you might need to take my card away from me

[chrome socket]

uh. no thanks

you will incur "service fees"

[cedar rapids]

I'm currently eyeing a Mac Studio

[chrome socket]

I am aswell 😂

but no need

[cedar rapids]

We'll see about that...

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket guess what?

[chrome socket]

You built an airship out of balloons and a house, just to discover a stange land with a strange bird, and dogs with universal translators on them?

[cedar rapids]

No, but that would be nice actually

[chrome socket]

so did you get it?

mac studio?

[cedar rapids]

Perchance...

[chrome socket]

LOL

[cedar rapids]

I need to get rid of one of my Windows desktops though.

[chrome socket]

gee, switching to full mac.. though hybrid if need be

[cedar rapids]

The old Windows desktop in mind is my backup production PC

[chrome socket]

Bleed?
Yes

[chrome socket]

Lol. I made my search system also work as a command system.
this command makes an A4 "210x297"
1 page "/1"
5mm bleed "/5"
Facing Pages "/fp"
Import a pdf (prompts for the file after) "/ipdf"
Split Spreads for centre bleed "/ss"

this tool be silly over engineered 😂

[cedar rapids]

Who asked?

(Kidding )

||Maybe||

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket quick gear question, should I get a Magic Mouse?

[chrome socket]

no

[cedar rapids]

Actually or...?

[chrome socket]

they are so annoying

grab yourself a proper mouse

[cedar rapids]

Please do recommend me some

I need something to use while editing out and about

[chrome socket]

I use a magic track pad, but thats because I am used to it, but I still would use a mouse

I use a razor basilisk 2 at home

wireless one

[cedar rapids]

The touchpad is good, don't get me wrong.

I just like the accuracy of using a mouse for editing.

[cedar rapids]

What do you recommend?

[chrome socket]

what I use at home

[cedar rapids]

Too expensive

[chrome socket]

has a sensitivity clutch, super handy

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket I sort of like this
https://a.co/d/iJvFe7i

Matches the color scheme of my MacBook

[foggy jetty]

I have this one

https://a.co/d/9l7KuaZ

its pretty good

[pastel rain]

i got the vertical

and m720

[cedar rapids]

@foggy jetty @pastel rain y'all aren't fans of the Magic Mouse?

[foggy jetty]

no

they're pretty uncomfortable

the only reason I'd get it is for the gestures but its not worth it

[pastel rain]

i dont understand how anyone uses that thing that apple reffers to as a mouse

literally designed by aliens

[cedar rapids]

Yeah, I agree with you here.

[pastel rain]

back at it again at the crusty crab

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket stupid question, do you recommend using some sort of cooling pad for a MacBook?

[cedar rapids]

@split bridge here

@chrome socket you might be of better help that I can at this time

[chrome socket]

?

[split bridge]

Tom already helped me out on some printer issues

[chrome socket]

I'm confused, how may I help?

[chrome socket]

You have another issue?

[split bridge]

yea, the printer does a silly thing where it seems like it puts more magenta at the begining of the print than the end

[chrome socket]

Leading to trailing?
or thoughout a print job?

[cedar rapids]

Gradient-like issue

[chrome socket]

so leading to trailing

[cedar rapids]

Magenta is more present on the greys on one end of the print than the other.

[chrome socket]

sheet size?

[split bridge]

Here how it looks, not very visible on the photo though. Top of the photo is the begining of the print

[split bridge]

A4

[chrome socket]

or and across feed or with feed?

I see. so is that image as it come out of the machine

orientation wise?

[split bridge]

wait let me confirm which way it comes out

[chrome socket]

also! what kind of machine is it?

[split bridge]

it comes out like that

[split bridge]

konica minolta 250i

and the gradient is happening this way

[chrome socket]

ok so laser

My thought process right now:
Type of Problem = Uneven Density
Uneven on a large sheet or small sheet = "small sheet"
Possibility = Drum issue or charge roller issue/ less likely being a image roller

Update:
given the gradient is coming from the machine side to operator side, I would say its a Charge Roller

what I would do is print a sheet with all channels at around 45-50% density
and check out how uniform your magenta coverage is

the reason why I say its a charge roller over a drum roller, is often cases a drum will fail leading to trailing first.
and a charge roller will fail machine side to operator side first

(because charge rollers are long, and skinny, thus the resistance across the roller is tighter in terms of holding a charge)

[split bridge]

i forgot where do i change density

[chrome socket]

-# for example, on a ricoh machine, the charge rollers fail closer to the terminal side of that charge roller

[chrome socket]

No I mean make a document

not change your densities

the idea is to see the performance of the channel, not try to change something you haven't even tested yet

[cedar rapids]

Nothing can be done in Preflight then?

[split bridge]

i think i still have no clue on how to do that

[chrome socket]

you made the document thats getting printed. just make a document with just CMYK. one page per channel, and set that solid at 50%

Fuck it, hold up

[split bridge]

oh i think i now get what youre saying

[chrome socket]

Print this

[split bridge]

the goat

Every single one is doing a gradient

[chrome socket]

do they all look like they have gradients?

[split bridge]

yup

[chrome socket]

Ok I see a couple of problems here

do you have the ability to see your like distances or service life of each parts of the machine?

and are you able to run something like a PCU Clean/ Charge Clean?
and do you have access, or the ability to change out individual parts of the machine

[split bridge]

no way am i putting my hands inside that

but ill try to check the service life

[chrome socket]

umm, ok, just look for settings that can do a cleanup

and yee check that service life!

I feel like some parts need to be replaced, or atleast cleaned

[split bridge]

i wouldnt be surprised

[cedar rapids]

Oh yeah, I know what's going on here

[chrome socket]

more than a charge roller 😂

[cedar rapids]

The drum unit is going out.

I did have the same issue with the C250i.

[chrome socket]

actually, the photo-conducting drum in many machines are super tough.
I do see the long strip density issue you would get from a drum thats going out. but I also see the repeating lines caused by charge rollers being out

what concerns me more, is that the gradient happens to be on every channel

which can be an paper transfer roller issue

[cedar rapids]

Yeah, it seems so.

After replacing the drum units in mine, everything looked good as new.

[split bridge]

so i have no power in changing anything, just need to call in a proper printer mainenance guy

[chrome socket]

yee, get a service guy in

my bets are more on that paper transfer unit being worn out, and realistically speaking I would also change the charge rollers out

I often find that a pcu clean fixes alot of long density issues. unless its impressioned itself onto the drum

[cedar rapids]

Also curious to see what the clicks are on that thing for it to be acting up like this.

[chrome socket]

same!

[cedar rapids]

Has to surpassed nearly 200k at least.

Mine worn out, the drum units that cause this same effect, at the 209k mark.

[split bridge]

I found some numbers

[cedar rapids]

That's pretty low.

[chrome socket]

today I fixed a channel registration problem today, every time the operator tried to run a color channel registration correction, nothing happened.
so I just walked out there, ran a test sheet, found out the blue was out going leading to trailing. I then opened the door, pulled the PCU Unit out for cyan. and turned the drum so it indexed with a mark on the shaft going to the drum, and problem solved

dropped the screwdriver and walked away like a boss

twas odd, because usually you can run what they call a "DEM's" on a older Ricoh machine, and it just does that for you, but it was still out...
checked the counter on the drum and its pretty much nearly at its EOL. but density is still perfect. channel was just out because the drum itself was out
-# (due to the fact that a PCU drum cant be 100% perfectly cylindrical)

THEN I DARN HAD TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE
and ran a bunch of cleans, just for the Black channel to have spots. pulled that out, cleaned the charge unit (I could see the dots on the charge unit, usually because the developer needs refreshing and the cleaning unit not really doing its job)
twas a fun day, but the machine was printing perfectly afterwards

old machine though, didn't have new parts in stock, so I had to improvise more than usual

[split bridge]

damn thats a whole ass adventure

[chrome socket]

better than waiting for a tech to fix a problem that I could fix then and there

got to stand up for a bit, so I was happy

[split bridge]

well you do know your printers so thats always an option

[cedar rapids]

It's a requirement if you work with it all the time.

[chrome socket]

its funny, some of the operators will call up ricoh, and the head tech there will be like "did you bring this up with tom first?"

[cedar rapids]

If you can't wait for someone, you gotta make do of what you can do and fix on your own.

[split bridge]

either way @cedar rapids @chrome socket thanks for your helps!

[foggy jetty]

oh shoot u work for ricoh?

the cam company?

[cedar rapids]

Camera company, different department.

Read the room.

[foggy jetty]

huh

god forbid a man to ask a question that he didnt know about

[pastel rain]

too much printer talk going on in my graphic design dojo

[cedar rapids]

Printer noob.

[pastel rain]

go make a printer forum

[cedar rapids]

Blame Tom, he brought me in here.

[pastel rain]

oh ok, one moment

[cedar rapids]

Excuse me?

[pastel rain]

[chrome socket]

No, I just know their secrets

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket @pastel rain happy to report, Mac Studio is working great for me

Almost forgot the fact that I own a spec'd out 14" M4 MacBook Pro

[chrome socket]

👍

[silver steeple]

hi

[chrome socket]

Hi!

[silver steeple]

#1 forum right here

[chrome socket]

😮

das kwazy

[pastel rain]

[cedar rapids]

@chrome socket What would you recommend a use case for this M1 Air that I no longer use?

Well, I'm using it now but not as much as I would before.

[chrome socket]

google docs?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cedar rapids]

So general day to day light work?

[chrome socket]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silver steeple]

thoughts?

[split bridge]

i would try to remove the small blurred bull. secondly, it looks like the guy with a bat wants to beat the shit out of that bull. and lastly i would remove the shadow on the text, and make the bull ant the player overlap it less

[chrome socket]

Shoot

[chrome socket]

lol

Windows

[silver steeple]

ty

[chrome socket]

love just adding menus to InDesign 😂

[chrome socket]

Getting ready to block out an entire school annual

[ancient hull]

@chrome socket Do you design digital adverts at your work?

I need to boost my works socials a bit, but want something to standout instead of a picture of our logo

[chrome socket]

I do, Shoot the details.
no promises as I already have a bit of a queue, but I can see what I can do or advise with 🙂

[ancient hull]

Just needs to be a static image really. I could probably allocate some time at home to do something in photoshop if I could be bothered. Just our stuff looks outdated as fuck and bland.

Also do you have facebook ad manager experience?

[chrome socket]

I do, I used to do marketing for a past employer, welding supplies and so on

So Meta Business Suite, Google SEO. all that

[ancient hull]

I opened up the facebook ads manager with an unexpected slap in the face of complexity

Suppose I should read the guide

[chrome socket]

most of the complexity is within the tagging/search terms and so on. thats where you need to be smart about it

other than that its pretty straight forward

but yeah.... RTFM

[ancient hull]

As in what people search for?

I've got a list we use for our google ads etc which show pretty useful

[chrome socket]

yeah so search terms...
like if someone is buying a specific part for a machine like "Seat" you would do things like "Seat, (Model Name), (Serial Number)"

[pastel rain]

same here

make & run fb/google ads for work

[ancient hull]

What the fuck. So I was thinking all this right, and was almost about to pull the trigger and my boss tells me that we have a specialist coming in this arvy to show us how

I had NOT said a word about this

What are the fuckin chances

But I might run it past both ya eyes if I need to later on. Who knows, this lady could be redacted as fuck

[chrome socket]

yee, no probs 😄

[lost summit]

New branding concept :3

[silver steeple]

ciao

thoughts?

[pastel rain]

Text needs a bit more contrast

[silver steeple]

how should i do that?

[pastel rain]

one way is drop shadow which will look ok

or black stroke

that wont be as clean

you can give it a backdrop like you did for their names

[silver steeple]

is this betterv

[pastel rain]

and the word "day"

but yes

better

[chrome socket]

why is the "Moser Byrne" blurred?
sticks out like a sore thumb

doesnt help when there are over lapping things in focus with no context to suggest it should be blurred out of focus

[silver steeple]

hows this?

[chrome socket]

whats the point of them now?

[silver steeple]

they look cool

i wanna put their signatures somewhere in it

since its signing day

[chrome socket]

they look like someone accedently hit the transform button and ofsetted them incorrectly

signatures dont need to be blurred

dont get me wrong, nice element, but its odd that they are blurred

if anything they should be sharp

[silver steeple]

Alright

is the text better at least?

[chrome socket]

yeah, its better 😄

[silver steeple]

thanks man

y’all always are the most help

[chrome socket]

Me just bloating InDesign's Menus with tools

[silver steeple]

which is better?

[pastel rain]

second one for sure

you could even drop the last name from the box

so orange script & name below

[silver steeple]

ty

[lost summit]

New design project. Doing the whole branding for a interior design related company

[pastel rain]

love it

[lost summit]

It's not particularly my style tbf. But the client wants clean, minimal mostly white with a small splash of colour.

[silver steeple]

thoughts?

[pastel rain]

not bad

everything is a bit tight all around tho

give things some breathing room

[silver steeple]

hows this?

[silver steeple]

@pastel rain

[pastel rain]

hi

lol

you cheated there

but yes

technically that solves the problem

[silver steeple]

ik lol

[silver steeple]

thoughts?

[chrome socket]

what part of it am I supposed to look at?

top or bottom

and random lambo cameo

[silver steeple]

its for ig

[chrome socket]

ok, what part am I meant to look at.
you have two half's, there's nothing to focus onto, when you find one thing to look at you notice another thing to look at. there is no flow, no hierarchy
look at doing a carousel for an output like this. you have more room to create single focus and flow to follow

[silver steeple]

Alright

how are the photos tho?

[wanton sinew]

these are still very cool

[pastel rain]

Thanks

[pastel rain]

come alive

[chrome socket]

Cheese!

[chrome socket]

beep boop!

[chrome socket]

dont mind me, twas just trying to find who I gave the pantone swatches to

[ember peak]

Nostalgic war games

[strange finch]

Thoughts?

[chrome socket]

ayeee more graphic design buddies 🥰

[strange finch]

Ayo I do graphic design

[chrome socket]

I like, but I dont think there is a need for the drink to come from the bottom right

you could fill most of the artwork with the bottle, have it centered and then the text on the top

[strange finch]

Really?

[chrome socket]

Design Balance

[strange finch]

Ah gotcha

[steel acorn]

Hi, im a graphic design student

Some of a brand book we had to do for a project

[strange finch]

Nice

[steel acorn]

Thanks 😊

[pastel rain]

love it

[chrome socket]

I like… did you use InDesign?

[steel acorn]

Yeah and some stuff was made in illustrator then brought over.

And ty

[chrome socket]

Solid stuff!! Awesome work

[chrome socket]

I've been designing some UI for InDesign stuff I am doing

[strange finch]

I use
Canva

[chrome socket]

<_<

well thats disappointing

my condolences

[strange finch]

Hey dont hate on canva lol

[chrome socket]

I will, because I know how shit it is for print

[strange finch]

Wym I use it a lot for prints lol

[chrome socket]

whoever thought colors should export with screen profiles applied really needs to get their head in the game

every time i get a file from canva, that has canva in the metadata, I ask the customer for their values they originally put for colors, so I can remap them

genuine garbo software

I mean I dont blame them, theres no way to reference a proof when the proof is the screen you're using
but when someone uses the export for print option it should not embed/apply screen values, its not color accurate and they fucking know that, they should use absolute colors

[strange finch]

I guess to each its own

[chrome socket]

not when a customer comes back and says their colors are "incorrect"

then we sit there for 30 minutes ironing out what values are what

waste of mine and their time

that all being said, I guess its great for the normie out there that needs to do a presentation or whatever and doesn't care about print quality if they do print

[strange finch]

Understandable

Good thing I got easy clients loo

[chrome socket]

yeah there are some people out there that want their colors accurate to a delta e of my patience towards idiots 😂

[strange finch]

Lol

[lost summit]

I hate it when clients specifically want a pantone, but we obviously can't work with actual pantones, we either have to use CMYK or cut vinyl

[chrome socket]

I’ve been spoilt by gamut extenders for our machines

I can get a lot of pantones within a delta e of 1 and 2

Neon pink is really handy

Actually got more of those bottles today

[lost summit]

I mean, we have 4 extra inks. But some colours are still hard to replicate, especially really vibrant ones

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But yeah they are assisting inks

Instead of gamut extensions

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there we go

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That was the best timing I have ever seen man 🤣😂

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lmao

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No perms and then boom, access 🤣

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yep

made this earlier

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