(INACTIVE! MOVE TO #direct-feedback)

[golden ingot]

Holy CA batman.

[gilded jewel]

Ja what I was thinking is color filter -> convert to B/W

[compact flint]

leaning to the right, oversaturated in just about every colour but the blue is the most ok and the foreground stone structure does nothing for the image

[raven musk]

speaking of blue weird dark spot of it in the center

[compact flint]

the green and the blue have some nice duality shiz going on where you might be able to get away with desaturating the yellows a bit and evening out that cpl spot (?) on the sky

[golden ingot]

I think picking out a repeating element, and focusing the image on that could have resulted in a nice comp. As San already said, way over saturated.

also, yes, random dark spot in the sky. Was a CPL used?

[raven musk]

this suffers from too wide so no real incentive to frame stuff, one can frame stuff into wide but with some practice

[tropic flicker]

Would the corner stuff be my Polarisor?

[golden ingot]

it certainly explains why your empty sky is very dark in the middle

[slim bay]

I have this pair, not my best work but I shouldn't give excuses

[golden ingot]

cat

[past vessel]

cat not looking at you

[slim bay]

Thats some objective feedback, will be sure to cat catter next time I cat

[past vessel]

background messy/distracting

the flash is also harsh

[slim bay]

Wait flash?

I don't think I used flash there

[golden ingot]

the only thing on the internet with more photos than cats, is naked ladies. The bar for a cat photo, in a photography context, is stupidly high. These are snapshots...

[past vessel]

cat photos aren't special

they're like the moon equivalent

[slim bay]

Yeah, i think I'm just overexcited cuz my first time with a cat

[past vessel]

they're the moon of the internet

[golden ingot]

its fine to take cat photos, there is just a high bar if you're going to present them to an audience of photographers and want a reaction other than 'cute cat'

[past vessel]

I use cat as test photos

[slim bay]

I mean

~Cute cat though~~

[slim bay]

I sadly don't have a cat handy

[past vessel]

to see if my cat camera/lens is working properly

[lunar kelp]

anything I couldve done better apart from getting closer?

[past vessel]

crop

[golden ingot]

Crop the distractions at the bottom of frame

[past vessel]

the branch on the bottom right and left are distracting and add nothing to the photo

[golden ingot]

ideally you'd have the bird looking left too, as the branch intersects the beak

[lunar kelp]

Yeah well wasnt able to change that lmao

thanks

[golden ingot]

thats more a 'hope you got multiple shots in different positions' comment. I understand it's not always possible as a mostly wildlife photographer 🙂

[pallid copper]

It's still flat, almost as it was a raw file. There is also low iq, not really sure if it's the result of heavy noise or something else

[lunar kelp]

yea noise

[lunar kelp]

and it was already cropped

[pallid copper]

what about vertical but further away?

[pallid copper]

cause obviously this is to much cause of iq

[lunar kelp]

only have a 300mm lens thats why

[past vessel]

fair

a 600mm wouldn't help a ton here

[lunar kelp]

well

it would be 960mm ffeq instead of 480

i think that would make a pretty big difference

[past vessel]

diminishing returns

[pallid copper]

Getting to close shot is said to be a begginer mistake

[golden ingot]

Only if you're scaring your subject, generally.

[pallid copper]

Of course generally, not specifically

[lunar kelp]

but why

I would have to crop much less

[pallid copper]

It's naive to think that 900mm ffeq will give you a better result

[golden ingot]

It would get him more detail. It doesn't help with the flat lighting...

[past vessel]

you do know that the diff between 300mm and 600mm isn't huge, right?

[lunar kelp]

its twice as much

[raven musk]

x2

[past vessel]

it's diminishing returns

[lunar kelp]

Looks like a pretty big difference to me

[past vessel]

I think a higher mm lens wouldn't help you a ton here

your photo is noisy and the lighting is flat

[raven musk]

300mm F2.8 + 1.4 tc and higher MP body?

[median inlet]

higher mp?

[past vessel]

a body that can handle noise better

[lunar kelp]

300 f2.8

[leaden escarp]

Go to bed, pickle lover

[lunar kelp]

i wish i'd have enough money for that

[leaden escarp]

One mention of pickles and you just pop up

[median inlet]

I cant too busy overthinking things

[lunar kelp]

i'm thinking about saving up for an r7

[past vessel]

what lens you got rn

[lunar kelp]

tamron 70-300

[past vessel]

I don't think an R7 is what you should be earning for

[lunar kelp]

why

A good lens is much more expensive

[past vessel]

you should get a better lens

it's cheaper actually

[golden ingot]

The 70-300 would likely have issues on the R7 anyway

[past vessel]

get a better lens

instead of using an old Tammy 70-300

[pallid copper]

the one you have is pretty dark, have low fl capabilities and pretty bad optics

[lunar kelp]

which one do you think i should get

[pallid copper]

150-600 or bright 300 imo

[raven musk]

300 f2.8 ef adapted ofc

[past vessel]

300 2.8 is like 2k USD

[raven musk]

also if this is the convo #📞・gear-help-archived

[raven musk]

and it's worth every penny. suffer a couple years and get the stuff that's not an L choice

[past vessel]

tru

[bleak garnet]

@raven musk do you have any photos you want critiquing?

[raven musk]

good question

haven't hit anything I like in a little while

[bleak garnet]

Any reason you might think that?

[raven musk]

I'm hard to please and I'm compartmentalising what I do a lot, I share pictures still but I know their value to me, I know if it's just a meh effort, a very meh piccie, a scouting piccie etc and yeah I haven't produced anything I really like in the last few months, some interesting maybe but none that really "stay with me" is that makes sense but yeah sure I'll throw something

let's try a gfx one

[bleak garnet]

Do you think you just need some more solidity or a basis in taking photos? Like a project rather than aimlessly taking photos, I know that can be also something, but I always find it easier to appreciate my photos when they’re ride with a meaning

[raven musk]

projects do help, that or vacation where I have more time for myself to let pictures happen, but I always have cameras with me, I always practice the taking of images, I'm just waiting an encounter with conditions where my mind clicks

[bleak garnet]

That’s understandable

What’s the most recent photo that you were proud of/liked?

[raven musk]

no idea, probably something from norway tho or a portrait shoot for the band thingie but prob norway landscape

wait I'm looking for a picture to share

[bleak garnet]

I think

[crisp reef]

Yes this looks very fun

[bleak garnet]

Even if I was a shit photographer starting out

[crisp reef]

Time to get some very nasty critique

[bleak garnet]

And I went to a place like Norway, my photos would be a lot more interesting or stunning

I’d love to eventually capture the northern lights

[crisp reef]

No one’s said bad about this yet, so please do, it can’t be perfect

[crisp reef]

Well. Actually

Depth of field, less cropping

All that stuff

[bleak garnet]

Only thing that slightly ticks me off is the deep is slightly cropped to the left

[raven musk]

he wasn't talking to you josh

[crisp reef]

I know but I’m pointing out

[raven musk]

this is not a place to chat

[crisp reef]

Ah, my bad

[bleak garnet]

I know you couldn’t do much in terms of perspective, but the tall grass does cover up a lot of the deer

[raven musk]

besides what is currently going on

[bleak garnet]

But that could also add some aspect to it

[crisp reef]

Ya I wanted the eyes in the centre of the frame rather than the body’s of the deer

And plus, that’s Sans crop lol

[bleak garnet]

I think the desaturation of using B&W can be both powerful and very limiting, especially for wildlife because it can boast for some very emotional shots especially like something of this nature (e.g. a lion eating a zebra)

[bleak garnet]

Don’t care, still annoying

[crisp reef]

Lol

[bleak garnet]

Then again, the tall grass also somewhat hides it

[crisp reef]

Also if I framed it to the right, it would look horrid with the positioning of the antlers

[bleak garnet]

Just balance it then

[raven musk]

I would ve been one to just clone some grass to hide it

more

completely

[bleak garnet]

True

[bleak garnet]

But that takes effort 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[crisp reef]

Ok I’m gonna post some bad photos that I need to figure out what’s wrong with

[raven musk]

from a recent walk

[crisp reef]

Hmm I mean this is okay

[bleak garnet]

If it takes longer than 8 seconds to fully decompress on my phone I know it’s a good photo

[bleak garnet]

Too dark

[crisp reef]

Absolute shit shot, how did you become a professional?

(Joking)

[bleak garnet]

Cut off reflection

[crisp reef]

That’s what I was going for

Nice and dark

[bleak garnet]

Why?

[crisp reef]

Also turn your phone brightness up

[bleak garnet]

You missed the focusing

[crisp reef]

Cause you might be seeing it too dark

[raven musk]

not a good one, a big one, I shared the original 25mp while being 64x25

[crisp reef]

Oops

[bleak garnet]

Wtf

[bleak garnet]

What is the focus of the image?

[raven musk]

I need to tone down the highlights in some places

[crisp reef]

I’m still trying to learn a lot of the editing terminology

My main two struggles atm are editing and composition

And I could probably get a bit faster at using manual

[bleak garnet]

I think I’m like a young ced, but not really

[raven musk]

that's the thing with pano crops, there is space for a whole setting, which obviously here is the the wharf area

[crisp reef]

Elon I never knew you were a hehim she her and they them @bleak garnet

[bleak garnet]

I’m glad you put it as a pano, with a tighter crop, the cranes would’ve really thrown off the balance between the land and the sky

They still do somewhat

[bleak garnet]

Very nice short depth of field

I like the reflection from the water and the placement of the bird

[crisp reef]

Wdym by that?

[crisp reef]

Thanks

[past vessel]

DOF is nice and shallow

[bleak garnet]

Well you’ve focused on one plain of the photo

[crisp reef]

Ah ok

[bleak garnet]

One thing though

[past vessel]

the foreground has some distracting elements

like the rock on the bottom left

[bleak garnet]

Is the out of focus foreground should be cut

[crisp reef]

Yup

[bleak garnet]

Or cloned like duck said

We don’t want to remove that reflection

Because that very much adds to the photo

[crisp reef]

I like framing photos with the bird looking down at the foreground, which is why I keep a little foreground. So maybe I’ll crop out some of it, but not too much.

Similar style of composition

Looking down at the foreground

[bleak garnet]

I need to revisit this place

This was when I didn’t have the 150-600

Incredibly shallow DoF

Soft focusing (somewhat down to the 70-300 being shite)

[crisp reef]

I’ve managed to use my 55-300 pretty well tbh

I think the auto focus is a little dodgy on it tho

[bleak garnet]

But also the framing doesn’t work well as well as being cut somewhat by the sand

[crisp reef]

I’m trying to figure out how lenses affect autofocus

I have a tiny bit of understanding

[bleak garnet]

But the contrasting colours of the seal cub and the sand is nice he’s also got a happy smile so

[bleak garnet]

Lens physics, learn it

[crisp reef]

Got any good vids?

[bleak garnet]

Learn how light is effected by the aperture

[bleak garnet]

Hold on

[crisp reef]

You can imagine the sounds in a place full of these otters

[bleak garnet]

https://youtu.be/pGB3gglLWmM

Hm

I think mainly just the cropping

[compact flint]

boys

[bleak garnet]

Would’ve liked a bit more of the otter

[compact flint]

this is more or less the feedback-channel, but another iteration of it

take your coffee shop chatter elsewhere

[bleak garnet]

I was giving him a form of feedback

[spiral kelp]

Stay on topic, or be removed from the channel.

[bleak garnet]

wtf I literally gave feedback a second ago after critiquing my own work

[spiral kelp]

What part of what I just said sounded like an invitation to discussion? This is for critique, you wanna chit-chat, take it elsewhere.

[crisp reef]

Aight

Sorry

[left rivet]

Demolish this

[median inlet]

i cant get past the out of focus pole long enough to notice much about the seagull guy or nuke going off in the sunset without forcing myself to

is there some reason you cant take the same thing 2 steps to the right?

[leaden escarp]

intentional foreground

[compact flint]

leaning to the left and has way too much foreground

try levelling it and go 21:9 or something

if youre into wide shots

the fkin seagull is annoying, would have been better without it

weird exposure too, the sky doesnt fit in

unsure if skyreplacement AI or just butchered composite

[spiral kelp]

I think the seagull and human is funny.

[compact flint]

i like the dude sitting there

looks like a peaceful evening

[bleak garnet]

Perspectively, you could’ve got a much cleaner shot if you had a lower perspective as well as being aligned with the centre of the pier, possibly looking up at the sky somewhat so you can have a nice background also. The seagull does incredibly distract from the photo and doesn’t contrast well with the person as neither are intentionally the focus of the frame. The shallow depth of field created a lack of detail in some areas and an incredibly offset image when trying to balance the frame e.g. the wooden beam closest on the left.

Hope this helps?

If you need any elaboration just ask

[plush bone]

This is how I've been teaching people. Practicing plain framing, leading lines, using foreground etc photos to get them used to it and not cricitising them for being boring because that's the whole point

Ie. Just seeing how well they can isolate some random ass bin or something with what's around the area

[left rivet]

👍

Fair criticism

[plush bone]

There's a pillar in my face and it is very annoying

My eye keeps going to it

[spiral kelp]

There's no real saving this because of the giant out-of-focus pillar.

[bleak garnet]

Does this need to be cropped?

Angles a bit better…

Colour?

Proportions?

[left rivet]

How bout this guy

[bleak garnet]

Feels like these too munching going on in this photo

And I would’ve loved for the door to be centred in the pillar things

Probably would’ve obstructed the cat though

It’s quite a tight shot as well

Without having any general focus as the cat is mildly hidden by the pillars and the foliage

[left rivet]

I see

Said the blind man

[bleak garnet]

Is this a home photo?

[left rivet]

It is a photo of a home, not mine tho

[bleak garnet]

I see, having you got any other photos from the shoot or any that you’ve sequences with it before?

That could be nice when it’s with other photos

[left rivet]

Nothing related to this one

[bleak garnet]

Alright, I think generally the documentation aspects are nice but could be improved on. But it could definitely go well with other photos

[spiral kelp]

I'd crop and remove extraneous elements, but I think the fact that you cut off the bottom hurt the composition. Quick and dirty example of what I think would work better.

[bleak garnet]

Abstract, simplistic and straight-cut

I’m going to use that yeah

[left rivet]

Is this shot boring? Does the plane distract from the general feeling of the image?

[bleak garnet]

I think because it’s quite an abstract photo, I’m going to say yes the plane does because also

It doesn’t have anything really to do with the photo

It’s it’s in quite an unsatisfying place for our eyes

[lunar kelp]

Whats wrong with it apart from the fact the mushroom are cut off at the bottom

[jagged cedar]

That's pretty standard I agree

[golden ingot]

I would prefer it without the plane.

[jagged cedar]

That's pretty easy to remove

Just a bit of cloning and you're done

[golden ingot]

Should have been shot in portrait.

[left rivet]

Or I could copy and paste that plane in every opening

[jagged cedar]

That would be fucking hilarious

Do it

[left rivet]

Lol

[lunar kelp]

Yeah i should do that more often

[half osprey]

Quick clonestamp can fix

[left rivet]

Yeah it would take all of 2 clicks to take care of that plane

[jagged cedar]

But it would take 50 more to not take care of it and add more

I still wanna see that

[left rivet]

You know what

I gotchu

[jagged cedar]

Ayy

[golden ingot]

calm down there, Chay Yu Wei.

[jagged cedar]

He's doing it

Let him work

I wanna see this just for the shits and giggles

[golden ingot]

I'm just making a joke about another image with poorly photoshopped planes 🙂

[left rivet]

Having trouble finding the raw damn it

[jagged cedar]

You can always use the jpg if it's just for the joke

[left rivet]

Don't you doubt my commitment

Okay I have no idea how to clone in Lightroom

[lunar kelp]

Mind if i do it?

[left rivet]

Go for it, I think we should take this to #💬・lounge tho

[long garden]

I have 2 edits of this tree. One with my favorite style and the other with high saturation. Destroy it

[spiral kelp]

You took a picture of a tree, and then you cut part of it off.

[golden ingot]

Whole tree isnt even in the frame...

[spiral kelp]

That and the vignette really hurt these.

Colors I could go either way, something inbetween the two would probably be my preference, but I don't really see anything wrong with either.

But something is wrong with these images, based on how they look super noisy and compressed.

[golden ingot]

Not all photos need to tell a story, but if they don't, they should be technically well executed and either interesting or beautiful. A random picture of a tree in front of a building isn't going to check those boxes for many people.

[long garden]

Some of the noise is because the camera shoots to jpeg. the other is from me saving to jpeg from gimp due to discord's 8mb size limit.

[spiral kelp]

This server is boosted, you don't need to compress them

Your camera only shoots jpeg?

[long garden]

The one that I took this one does.

png all 11mb of glory

[loud jolt]

I think this is my favorite pic that i took so far

[golden ingot]

leading lines

[light forge]

Nice! Better than I could do

[long garden]

So that is the power of leading lines?

[left rivet]

They direct the viewers eyes.

[carmine laurel]

just a few lines, not enough leading tbh 😭

[carmine laurel]

is this sf?

[loud jolt]

yessir

[carmine laurel]

knew it, that’s actually a positive element, being able to well where ur at

[short fox]

i play geogusser i knew it was sf the second i saw it lol

also i've been there like 10 times

[spiral kelp]

Is this feedback?

No

It is not.

Stay on topic

[loud jolt]

idk if this is in a good context or not

is it too much?

[golden ingot]

its good

Real feedback would be: Would have been nice to have no live traffic on the road. You've got the shutter too slow for the bus, which is slightly blurred.

the other two cars are a small distraction

[spiral kelp]

The other problem is that the lines don't really lead to something but to somewhere and it would be nice if there was some pay off.

[loud jolt]

thats true

i feel like the subject of the photo is the road

in the bottom

[golden ingot]

I think its a quintessential SF view though. The steep streets are the subject.

[loud jolt]

mmm

i see

How about this picture of san francisco again

this is again, one of my favs

[golden ingot]

Theres the one spot where the street lines up with the bay bridge

I think thats the only one where you're getting something at the end

example (not mine):

[loud jolt]

i will fs take a pic of that next time i go

dang

i need that

[loud jolt]

do you know what mm that pic is?

cuz i shot mine at 105mm

[golden ingot]

its probably easily gettable on a 24-105

[golden ingot]

I've nothing bad to say about this really aside from very small nit-picks. Good capture.

EG the very slight trailing stars in the sky. Either go longer to really play with that effect or remove them

[loud jolt]

oh wow, now that you mention it, i see it now

good catch

[golden ingot]

other small nit-picks would be the blown highlights on the windows of buildings, but you aren't realistically fixing this easily so not really an issue.

Could this be framed and put on the wall as is? Yeah. Easily.

I'd probably crop a bit off the top and bottom, but once again, minor thing.

[golden ingot]

I feel like the shadows from the rails should be in frame. The bin is also too prominent for my liking. The right side of the image seems to get more of the visual weight, but we should be looking to the left more I feel.

[golden ingot]

Not sure what I'm looking at but also not abstract enough

[spiral kelp]

This is pretty blurry.

[spiral kelp]

Pretty sure it's whiteout

[golden ingot]

This is really unbalanced

And crooked

[spiral kelp]

Props for choosing 1:1 format. However, long exposure water is pretty cliche so you need to make this really interesting. As it is, this is just kinda... nothing.

[native blaze]

What do you mean by unbalanced?

[golden ingot]

It's visually heavy on the right, and then cropped too tightly on the right edge

[native blaze]

Ok

[spiral kelp]

It also appears slightly tilted to the left

[golden ingot]

Mhmm

[left rivet]

Ah but you see the trashcan is the counterpoint to the man, or something.

Good advice

[tulip canyon]

the railing and shadows being much more visually heavy takes focus away from that

[heady vigil]

What do you think about this? I can’t understand what I don’t like about this one…

[spiral kelp]

There's nothing going on. No subject. The sky is gray, the trees are brown, and your greens are approaching Ken Rockwell levels of saturation.

[plush bone]

It has a mad angle on it as well for no discernible reason

Building in what @spiral kelp said, it's a super busy shot with no actual subject or point to it

It's just, a snapshot of that place

[heady vigil]

Ok thanks for the feedback

[past vessel]

eyes are underexposed due to lighting

which is a sin in the portrait world iirc

"raccoon" is what they call it

and there's a lot of headroom

[raven musk]

very very subpar lighting

[plush bone]

Very much a "obtain pretty girl and open aperture" type photo

Also it's on a angle

[frank maple]

could that be solved without equipment?

[raven musk]

yes, other location

with decent light

artificial or natural

[frank maple]

so in my situation nothing could've been done?

[umbral marten]

that nose highlight tho

[raven musk]

not with this lighting, and this angle no

[umbral marten]

Keep some paper towels handy so that your subjects face is dry too

[frank maple]

its from the makeup she used

she uses something really glossy on her nose

[umbral marten]

Then you need diffuse as hell lighting

Point light + glossy surfaces = oww my eyes

This image is a few tweaks away from miserable goth girl look

[compact flint]

any reason shes sparkling?

but only in like 14 places

[frank maple]

Again makeup 🤣

Let me see if i have a better closeup

[compact flint]

no please, dont

[umbral marten]

tfw you lost the bet:

[compact flint]

but yeah no, this is dead on arrival because the light is just awful

[plush bone]

That is rather goth

[compact flint]

you could have maybe helped it slightly by putting up something large white just outside of frame on the left

get a little bit of bounce in there because of the direction of the ceiling light

[plush bone]

Those are some heavy shadows. LED downlights can be a bit of a meme to work with

[compact flint]

wouldnt be strong enough to accentuate fully but would fill up the shadows a bit and maybe light up her eyes

[frank maple]

I see

[compact flint]

whatever lamp is on that room is about as shit as they get because of how sharp that nose shadow is, looks entirely undiffused

like a free hanging bulb

[frank maple]

It was in a shady underground place

Thats not used anymore

[past vessel]

bounce light with a styrofoam board or something or change location to one with better light

[compact flint]

thank you echo-duck

[frank maple]

What could i have used to bounce light?

[compact flint]

whatever thats 50-60cm large and white really

[frank maple]

Paper?

[compact flint]

legit a large piece of paper does the trick

[frank maple]

Seems legit

[plush bone]

I've used poster board and butchers/packing paper before

Can get them easily at art stores and such

[compact flint]

should also add that an actual reflector screen is like $20 so if theres pocket money in the mix thats a good cheap buy

one of these

[plush bone]

My ghetto ass back in first year uni: $20? Damn that's expensive

[frank maple]

How much space to they take

[plush bone]

They fold down

[frank maple]

Oh

[compact flint]

they fold down to like a small pizza in size

[umbral marten]

Folding it becomes 4x smaller

[compact flint]

sick unit of size i know

[plush bone]

American sized or rest of the world? :P

[compact flint]

but yeah an 80cm one turns into maybe 25cm-ish with the packaging, can fit in a backpack

[plush bone]

They do tend to spring open when you open them. I have been hit in the face many times and yet I never learn

[frank maple]

Should i have cropped it or just shoot lower?

[umbral marten]

It could have been tighter overall

Did you see my version? I feel like it’s a better zoom level

Of course it’s up to taste

doesn’t need a blurry table either imo

Enough just to see the corner and pack of cards to get the idea

She’s also too far to the left

[past vessel]

yeah KP's crop is a lot better

[umbral marten]

So I took some off the right side

[past vessel]

the amount of foreground is fine so not lower, just tighter

[umbral marten]

When in doubt: crop more

Especially if the surrounding stuff is out of focus and doesn’t add to teh scene

[frank maple]

I was struggling with light and i didnt wanna pump the iso too much

[raven musk]

anyone would struggle with that light

I would just be like : ok where else can we go

[umbral marten]

If you had a diffuser a tighter crop also would havelet you stuff it right under her

[frank maple]

I wanted her to lean over the table and there was like a step up and she is really short

So thats why i put her therw

[umbral marten]

I mean in terms of framing

[frank maple]

Oh

[umbral marten]

There’s no point to showing her whole body

[frank maple]

I see

[umbral marten]

In fact if anything it just hides better the fact that’s she’s on a step

[raven musk]

[frank maple]

Idk who came up with the idea of this channel but i love it

Really helpful if you dont take it personally which i see some people could

[frank maple]

Does producer matter or can i grab anything like this?

[compact flint]

as long as they know which colour is white youre fine

[frank maple]

So no gold and silver ones oof

[raven musk]

usually they are double sided

I mean the object has obviously two sides, but each side has a different surface

[compact flint]

they come with a casing thats gold, silver, black and white

reversible

[frank maple]

Btw, would using my in built flash with a diffuser be better in that situation

[compact flint]

goes around the white disc

[compact flint]

hardly

[plush bone]

Direct fire flash (same axis as the camera) is generally a big no no

Unless it's intentional

[frank maple]

So reflectors > flash in that situation

[plush bone]

You can also use off camera flashes

Tho that becomes a bulkier setup

And more expensive

Lots of creative potential tho

Very fun

[frank maple]

All the equiptment i have rn is my camera and lens

So im trying to figure out what i can so til i get some gear

[compact flint]

its more of a "larger light emitting source > smaller light emitting source" but that doesnt roll off the tongue

[plush bone]

A wall is a example of a perfectly valid large light emitting source if you shine something at it given the wall colour is okay

[frank maple]

And when do i wanna use direct fire flash?

Or i just dont wanna do that

[plush bone]

If you think about it, it's basically shining a flashlight directly at someone

So skin oils/makeup and such will tend to glare worse

And shadows will be based around that light

[frank maple]

Could i do something dyi to redirect my flash light on the side or something so it hits a wall?

Or would that be dumb

[plush bone]

Very contrasty, so very harsh and dark shadows coupled with monotone lit everything else

[plush bone]

Speedlights are a type of flash accessory that is often used to do this without a off camera setup

It's literally a better version of the pop up flash that mounts onto the top hotshoe and has a swivel head

Do note that if you use a wall as your bounce, the wall colour will affect your lighting

So red wall, red light

[frank maple]

You mean something like the tt350?

[raven musk]

In the mean time I'd seriously also not shy away from working with natural light just to get the composing down and learning to see what light does. It's easy to just use lighting material wrong once you have something if you don't know what to look for in your lighting

[plush bone]

^^^^

What actually helped a lot for me when I was learning the basics of lighting was shooting in the street at night

Using streetlights, shop lights, and all sorts of stuff, getting creative

But that's just my experience

[raven musk]

in day light : being in shadows and using reflected light from a wall as light source

[plush bone]

Using lighting mods and artificial bounces and such can be quite funny without grasping properly what they do and how light behaves or can be manipulated

Another fun one is taking note of how grass on a sunny day can cast green on your subjects from the wrong angles

[frank maple]

I suppose i should find something on the science of light and optics and just sit there and watch it

Shouldnt i

[frank maple]

That sounds interesting

[plush bone]

Flashbacks on my first ever paid portrait shoot years ago and idiot me made the subjects in 3/4 of the photos green

[median inlet]

flashbacks to me strobing a disco ball

[light forge]

Am I allowed to ask for feedback in this channel?

[plush bone]

Yes

There's also a another feedback channel if you want less harsh replies

[light forge]

Alright thanks i just wanted to make sure before I asked for feedback based off the shots I have, and I'm going to ask for it here because in my opinion harsh feedback can lead me to do better

[leaden escarp]

Rules say one photo at a time

Choose one

[light forge]

Oh OK, my bad

That one is the shot I want feedback on

[plush bone]

Exposure is absolutely fucked

And the editing is wild

Very crispy

[light forge]

That's the edited photo let me find the original one real quick

This is the original photo before I took the contrast and hue up, and brightness down

[leaden escarp]

Was this taken with a phone?

[compact flint]

from 2009

[light forge]

Yeah, wish I had one of the good cameras but sadly I can't afford one yet

[leaden escarp]

That’s fine. Scenes like this are just very difficult to capture with a phone, not enough dynamic range

[compact flint]

your phone cant do shit in low or faint light like this, better to just not try because the tool is not apt for it at all

[light forge]

Ah alright, it was hard to do because I really didn't have the range, when I took that photo I was on my bus home from school and I sit in the back

[leaden escarp]

It’s just an unfortunate side effect of the device you’ve got, it just won’t do well at this regardless of circumstance

[median inlet]

5050 comp in portrait is also uhh, questionable. turn your phone and have it be 3/4s of the sky and the noise hell that is the bottom half should be less obnoxious

[leaden escarp]

Phones do pretty well in brightly lit environments, but in mixed lighting just fall apart

[light forge]

Alright thanks, as long as I send only one image may I get feedback on 3 other pictures I took using my grandfather's nikon camera?

[compact flint]

if its 3 more "from the back of a moving bus with no time to look or think" dont waste peoples time with all of them, pick the one you like the most

technically nothing wrong with doing a few images in a row, thats fine as long as its one at a time until finished etc

[light forge]

No these 3 are different I couldn't get a good shot from the bus with a nikon camera even if I tried

[compact flint]

but remember these are people replying trying to help, sometimes its better to focus their time and effort to where you care or its able to actually do any good

but sure, fire away with one of the real camera pictures instead

[light forge]

Here's the first one which I got with the nikon camera out in my backyard at night

[raven musk]

Aaaaaand this is all the data we needed.

would you mind moving to #🥊・gloves-off it is now live.

[tulip canyon]

thanks for participating in this experiment

[raven musk]

(INACTIVE! MOVE TO #direct-feedback)

[short fox]

Gang shit 🥶

[tawdry linden]

you might want to change the mention in the post in #📮・announcements too @raven musk

mailbox looks like among us, you'll never unsee it now

[crude root]