ideally this is what you'd want since cleave targets is kinda useless on the mk15
#Builds for Shouty Bois
dire galleon
since like bandit said you're only gonnna be max damaging 4 people cause of cleave cap
silk bolt
and it's not like the cleave damage scales hard enough - you basically lose 70% of first target damage on 4th target hit, against most armour types
limber prairie
anyone have tips on what to roll for on the dueling sword
small rain
High in all damage scores, uncanny+ precog. Riposte, shred, rampage all being okay secondary blessings
glad schooner
hot rapids
Can they remove hunting ground and sniper conditions 
pulsar fossil
Which blessings should i use for combat knife?
urban cobalt
Which blessings should i use for combat knife?
lacerate fleshtearer trust
small rain
Which blessings should i use for combat knife?
uncanny+ precog or riposte, or precog+riposte if you are running piety keystone
uncanny+flesh tearer if you are wanting to force bleed
pulsar fossil
Thanks
pure quartz
digital root
any updated evic XV build?
small rain
Nothing has dramatically changed for xv evi
Same blessings, piety crit is still lower value but doable
digital root
hmm thx
proud stream
Rending blessing???
silk bolt
Rending blessing???
Opportunist - 10/15/20/25% rending against staggered enemies
silk bolt
Anyone tried the new rending blessing for evis
I did. It doesn’t seem to do anything relevant 
small rain
Anyone tried the new rending blessing for evis
meh
it's low rending value and evi has good adms
analog slate
i feel like it hits a nice BP on crushers, not one hit kill but can follow up with another heavy
bleak nexus
few days back i got told that heavy chainswords are bad with crit, so building it on chastise and blazing is bad idea? should i go middle for the cross and what as cappoint? playing melee with heavy chainsword as horde clearer and using bolter for butchering packs of strong enemies, ty .)
silk bolt
Blazing Piety is not a bad keystone for Eviscerators per se - they just don't get as much benefit from using them as weapons with better crit/finesse in general, but it's workable (still probably worst keystone choice, unless you are taking Blazing Piety left branch upgrades for crit synergy with your allies in coherency)
small rain
few days back i got told that heavy chainswords are bad with crit, so building i...
Heavy chainsword is called eviscerator here to differentiate
Eviscerators are not horde clear strong weapons, they are elite killers first. The base chainsword is both good with crit and a horde killer
Evis on the other hand only go crit to proc the various bonuses from the tree, mainly cdr, but it’s crit dmg ratios are low
bleak nexus
Heavy chainsword is called eviscerator here to differentiate
ty, dont remember the names ot be honest, want to start playing again after some time and jsut doing some research about current state of things in game .)
back in the day i played with this and it killed hordes pretty well + ragers didnt had chance while chaining them to death xD
but blazing piety seems like only worthy capstone, dont like middle, what about right one? used that with thunder hammer or knife, but it was like hit, run for some time, repeat, not very big fan of that
small rain
back in the day i played with this and it killed hordes pretty well + ragers did...
it's pure feeling really, it isn't unsafe or dangerous to clear hordes, but in measured performance an evi is a middle of the pack at horde clear
Inexorable judgement is just a good well rounded keystone
meanwhile chsword is some of the fastest horde clear in the game. I personally wouldn't match evi with bolter just cause having to slower weapons that both specialize in elite killing
also yea, your perks and blessings are scuffed asf
bleak nexus
oh yeah, was glad i got at least something out of rng .)
a bolter feels jsut good to pull out when things go south
it got buffed i red here
echo raft
hey guys was curious if anyone had an evicereator build going just dropped one from mission with a good dumpstat
and wanted to give it a go
proud lodge
mow down hordes of trash with the horizontal slash and rev it up for killing carapace
it's a simple weapon, needs little investment
gusty tide
hey guys was curious if anyone had an evicereator build going just dropped one f...
Evis pairs well with a classic martyrdom build, since it's kinda slow
Something like this should do the trick
Central path at the start was there to get the heal after being damaged, and I put the extra points there.
However, there's another way to do it, by shaving either perk leading to the stun grenade, and grab shield of comtempt + Thy Wrath be swift
Something like this
You don't get the heal back, but shield of comtempt offer massive DR%, and no stun on hit. The last part is not mandatory, and could be seen as comfort or crutch.
echo raft
currently running it with a IJ build
but that does seem interesting
what kind of ranged would you pair with it
tawny lodge
I wouldn’t recommend either of these, as they are both missing Duelist and Second Wind
small rain
Something like this
you need twbs but imo you cna drop punishment and shield of contempt
small rain
I wouldn’t recommend either of these, as they are both missing Duelist and Secon...
tbh martyrdom really likes going down the nade paths
comparitively
but yea
you need duelist
and punishment nerfs make it not worth
tawny lodge
Reasons why I don’t run grenades on any of my zealot builds
gusty tide
I never considered duelist because I'm... stupid. But you're right, that's definitely something I should swap for instead of Punishment
hybrid hazel
Thy Wrath Be Swift is literally RIGHT THERE
analog birch
Yeah chain/power/generally slow weapons really want TWBS. Take the points out of Disdain and Blood Redemption for it.
Would also recommend switching Wrath for Rampage. Mk15 Evis only damages 4 enemies with light attacks so extra cleave is only helping you stagger more chaff. Rampage (despite saying Damage) grants Power, which improves Damage, Stagger, and (for what it's worth) Cleave.
royal orbit
Yeah chain/power/generally slow weapons really want TWBS. Take the points out of...
I disagree, I almost never use TWBS with evisc / TH and it feels perfectly fine if you use the push attack often enough
It's mandatory on flamer for sure though
Ofc if you're already going down the right path, take TWBS : It's a crazy good node, but most of my best builds don't use it
small rain
I disagree, I almost never use TWBS with evisc / TH and it feels perfectly fine ...
You can disagree all you want, push attacks don’t solve the issue with interrupted attacks, mainly thrust and rev’d attacks
royal orbit
You can disagree all you want, push attacks don’t solve the issue with interrupt...
Yet it does for me : I don't know what else to say, I legitimately never felt any need to use TWBS with TH/Evisc, and not spending 4 talents points to get them on some builds goes a long way to make these weapon significantly stronger than what you can achieve if you always go for TWBS no matter what
small rain
Yet it does for me : I don't know what else to say, I legitimately never felt an...
what build do you spend 4 points for twbs, it's 2 usually
small rain
I'd really have to see gameplay footage because the standard experience of chain and thunder hammer without twbs is "lone poxwalker just stunned me"
not to mention how good twbs is (but more of an optional choice) outside of those situations
punishment can kinda "cope" but both chain weapons and thunderhammer don't really go that way
small rain
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d86f340-c8a9-4bd4-8be2-aecb9f413669/m1...
Don't go wrath on mk15, go rampage, or if you are wanting to stick to the cleave, use perfect strike instead
Don't triple stack gunner resist cause diminishing returns, sub one out for a sniper and you get massive sniper tanking breakpoints
drop blood redemption and disdain for thy wrath be swift
mk15 has a target cap of 4 so disdain is only 10% damage boost, which isn't needed for any breakpoints at the level martyrdom is at
hybrid hazel
Don't triple stack gunner resist cause diminishing returns, sub one out for a sn...
Diminishing returns is not an important factor. Big number good.
small rain
Diminishing returns is not an important factor. Big number good.
For gunner resist it absolutely is
vocal belfry
I personally like the 3x even with diminishing
It's not a ton more value but it's still good
Certainly a valid reason to only run 2 however
royal orbit
I don't really get the hate toward "diminishing returns", since that's what allows the math to be coherent. If it was additive instead of multiplicative, it would make DR completely busted
If it was 50% instead (Half damage taken), getting it twice would result in 75% DR (1/4 damage taken) and not 100% (total immunity) : You can clearly see that the first 50% are much less valuable than the remaining 50% that separate you from 100% : The multiplicative formula is compensating this inherent power by turning something that would be exponential with an additive formula into something linear : Simply put, you get as much value from the 3rd 20% DR curio than you get from the first, even if the total % of DR incrase by a lower amount
Now you are absolutely allowed to say that you don't need that much DR, and that 36% is fine, but getting from 36% to 49% if much more valuable than getting from 0% to 13% for example. For an extreme example, getting from 0 to 13% DR mean that people need to deal 13% more of their damage to kill you. But getting from 98% to 99% mean that people need to deal 2 x their damage to kill you : This 1% makes a ton of difference when you're close to the max, while 13% barely make any when you're at the bottom. This single 1% in this example is effectively several times stronger than the 13%
woeful ledge
Gimme your best Dueling Sword and/or combat axe builds. I put stealth on both c axe and dueling sword builds but am looking to see what other people are running.
proud stream
Combat axe is basic IJ or martyr build. With the duelling sword I would go IJ or Piety
gusty tide
Is there something to do w/ Fury & Eviscerator ? Someone gave me a build like this eons ago, but I kinda don't like it
small rain
Is there something to do w/ Fury & Eviscerator ? Someone gave me a build like th...
fury of the faithful ability? you need to charge after your hit connects or else you won't get the full bonus
gusty tide
fury of the faithful ability? you need to charge after your hit connects or else...
No, Fury as the keystone which gives 15/25% crit chance
tawny lodge
No, Fury as the keystone which gives 15/25% crit chance
Despite having shred and bloodletter, evisc doesn't work too well with Blazing Piety because of its 1.4x crit/weakspot mod
gusty tide
Despite having shred and bloodletter, evisc doesn't work too well with Blazing P...
Ah, it's piety, not fury, apologies for the mixup.
What would be a good melee with this Keystone then, except from Knife ?
tawny lodge
You can literally never go wrong with Inexorable Judgment (momentum/IJ)
Its left subnode is pretty niche but the right subnode is entirely mandatory to get use out of it
gusty tide
That's the keystone of all my zealot builds yes, momentum is just too versatile and good, but I was wondering if there is something good to extract out of Piety
tawny lodge
It also gives a whole heap of unlisted dodge buffs btw
tawny lodge
That's the keystone of all my zealot builds yes, momentum is just too versatile ...
It works better on other weapons that actually benefit more from critting stuff
gusty tide
I was asking about such weapons in the first place 😅
tawny lodge
List of stuff with good finesse
Cool
Uhh
Crusher, Knife, Dueling sword, Devlis Claw (crits are borderline required to get its flak armor damage literally anywhere), Heavy Sword (especially useful because crits help its terrible Carapace armor damage), Tactical Axes, Standard Chainsword (not entirely great finesse but it has some weird interactions with critical cleave damage distribution)
gusty tide
Thank you :)
analog birch
That's the keystone of all my zealot builds yes, momentum is just too versatile ...
Have you tried Stalwart?
tawny lodge
Also that stalwart isn't a meme anymore
The crit share node still kind of is but Stalwart gives 25% TDR and an unlisted 2% toughness from all kills
small rain
No, Fury as the keystone which gives 15/25% crit chance
evisc doesn't scale well with crit compared to other weapons, it simply has some synergy blessings (shred or bloodthirsty_
analog birch
Something like this would be highly tanky, and the Mk15 Evis is lethal enough on its own that you won't miss the damage boost from IJ or Martyr as much as some other weapons might.
Doesn't crit as often as fast weapons but you can use Bloodthirsty to gain the benefits of Enduring Faith and Invocation of Death almost on demand, or just use Shred to rely on random crits instead of having to Rev. Plus you have the guaranteed crit from FotF x2 in any case.
tawny lodge
Run with a shred headtaker flak carapace mk 2 tac axe for maximum funny
ocean shale
Surgical is really that good for Spearhead Boltgun?
Is not Cavalcade or Shattering better?
small rain
Surgical is really that good for Spearhead Boltgun?
only for veteran
for zealot, we aren't wanting to hold out the bulky boltgun all the damn game, so yea, you go pinning + cavalcade or shattering
maybe fire frenzy if you are using it specifically for low tier elites
ocean shale
I use it for everything really
Elites, boss, range, trash mobs
Any OP Thunder Hammer tree out there?
small rain
nothing outside the normal throwing knives->stealth or chastise->inexorable judgement
proud stream
for zealot, we aren't wanting to hold out the bulky boltgun all the damn game, s...
shoutout to puncture + shattering
small rain
Puncture shattering gives you a really nice fixed crusher breakpoint from any range
cedar bison
royal orbit
Shattering isn't great against unyelding sadly
scenic heron
Hey guys, I'm looking for a good charge build with fire/flashbang grenades, to use with chainsword/DS and some form of pistol for special removal. I was using the one called "zealot meta" on games lantern but apparently that's laughably bad, I dunno. I know mostly the good builds use throwing knives but I'd really like the grenades to help with revives. Anyone able to help me out?
ocean shale
or would this be fine?
I copied this #zealot-class message
small rain
how bad would this be?
why are you going thudnerous, go slaughter instead
curios are fine, why are you going through beacon cause lol you have no Damage reductoin on your talent tree
i'd at least swap to piety's stalwart defensive path if you didn't want to change any pathing
nova tree
why are you going thudnerous, go slaughter instead
not actually sure why I was going thunderous, that's just what my crusher has
thought beacon would be nice to have for havocs but I didn't realise I'd gotten rid of all my damage reduction
also realised I dropped double dash by accident
mainly just wanted the build I was running before but with knives
zenith hollow
Thunderous isn't very good
Best blessings for this are some combination of Thrust, Slaughterer, Hammer blow and Skull Crusher
small rain
Best blessings for this are some combination of Thrust, Slaughterer, Hammer blow...
hammerblow isn't needed with slaught existing
you basically go slaught+skullcrusher or slaugh+thrust, mainly cause skullcrusher and thrust have a level of anti synergy
nova tree
I ended up binning the build because I didn't want to explode in Havocs but I appreciate the advice
analog birch
Quite a lot of poor talents
modern aurora
oh? i havent played in a while. what have i got wrong
small rain
oh? i havent played in a while. what have i got wrong
A lot
Dont take disdain and ewew, take purge the unclean instead of fellowship, don’t take any of the stuff below 10% attack speed
Dont take blood redemption
Get sustained assault and duelist at least
analog birch
- Duelist is non-negotiable, doubly so for a high finesse weapon like Dueling Sword.
- Disdain is poor for any weapon without very good cleave (and in any case only applies to every 2nd attack).
- Enemies Within, Enemies Without and Blood Redemption are mid at best.
- Fortitude in Fellowship is terrible (coherency toughness regen is disabled when you are being targeted in melee, which as a Zealot is most of the time)
- Martyr's Purpose is awful, it applies only to health damage taken and even then doesn't provide much. Invocation of Death is
blatantly overpoweredall the cooldown reduction you need. - You dont need Faith's Fortitude (or Wound trinkets for that matter) if you aren't actually going for Matryrdom, get things that prevent you going down in the first place (like Until Death)
Second Wind is a much better method of regenerating toughness in combat, especially with a highly mobile weapon like a dueling sword.
Sustained Assault is basically +4-20% free damage, it's very hard to justify not taking it
small rain
Then get like, second wind with the last two points
small rain
- Duelist is non-negotiable, doubly so for a high finesse weapon like Dueling Sw...
Ewew isn’t bad persay it’s more so just not worth the investment and pathing
But blood redemption is pretty mid
modern aurora
so something like this?
analog birch
You still want Shield of Contempt if you are getting Beacon of Purity
Until Death is left off this one just because it's hard to find the points. This is part of why most builds outside Havoc use Throwing Knives—they are getting Second Wind anyways.
modern aurora
oh alr yeah that seems better
small rain
so something like this?
Why swap sides on middle part
Shield of contempt pathing was fine
small rain
Until Death is left off this one just because it's hard to find the points. This...
This is good
modern aurora
thx yall
small rain
Go slaught instead of hammerblow and nearly any other perk over crit chance
Dump collateral on bistol, not mobility
You have invocation of death there is no reason to run ability cdr curios getting micro seconds of value
Take scourge instead of blood redemption
No sustained assault hurts
Probably drop twbs or purge the unclean path to grab it
Im not doing this for you
Im doing this for newbs who might stumble upon it
vocal belfry
You have invocation of death there is no reason to run ability cdr curios gettin...
Someone in zealot chat got very angry at me the other day because I told them CDR curio is practically worthless, ESPECIALLY with IoD which he said he also uses
I posted a video of it still being practically 10s cd with and without curios and he's like "what does that prove"
Genuinely thought it was ragebait but he was serious
small rain
Yea
tawny lodge
I should kill you where you stand
urban fossil
Why
tawny lodge
Knife is horrific
Curios are some of the worst I've seen
No until death
Loner shroudfield (isn't bad but I judge you for it)
Retribtors stance
NO SECOND WIND DESPITE TKNIVES PATHING
urban fossil
It's not my build
tawny lodge
Then don't run it
urban fossil
How bout this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aafd02e-2d1f-444f-8d9e-e12295da65c1/the-bestest-most-powerfulest-build-ever
tawny lodge
How bout this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aafd02e-2d1f-444f-8d9e-e...
This one is actually funny and I know for a fact its a cole creation
short abyss
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4a829d-23a7-482e-9fb8-1d55a5e5a87b/ze...
"Meta slave knife build"
looks inside
stealth
midnight coral
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d4a829d-23a7-482e-9fb8-1d55a5e5a87b/ze...
This is some true solo build that the vast majority of people aren’t gonna play anyways
short abyss
Crit perk on knife
No second wind
1 stamina curio
That's not a solo build, that's hot trash
urban fossil
1 stamina too little or too much
midnight coral
Wait did he not take second wind lol I must have missed that
tawny lodge
As soon as I saw the knife I knew it was ultracooked
short abyss
1 stamina too little or too much
Both knives like spamming PA so the better you are = the less toughness curio u take = the more stamina u take
1 stam curio, noob made that guide
knife basically means u have no excuse to get hit
so busted
That knife setup is a war crime too
tawny lodge
FT with base crit chance
tawny lodge
I should kill you where you stand
I stand by this being an appropriate reaction
short abyss
Yes
urban fossil
Where is a good stealth build
The top rated shroudfield build is a mister E build I dunno if I wanna link that
urban fossil
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d6d10-a5f1-4bc6-802d-ee011e9034db/mister-es-rat-king-v20
amber heron
How bout this https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aafd02e-2d1f-444f-8d9e-e...
LMAO
its a good build
trust me
even the person who made it said they soloed the entirety of havoc with it
and no one would ever lie on the internet
theres even a video of gameplay footage there
small rain
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d3d6d10-a5f1-4bc6-802d-ee011e9034db/mi...
bruh
i'm going to die of cringe
from the thumbnail alone
BOTH (VIABLE) CDR TALENTS
CDR ON CURIOS
urban fossil
Where can I find a good stealth build
short abyss
By changing everything
stuck mica
Nah, knife perks/blessings aside I like it a lot
short abyss
I'm at work so i can't make you a good stealth build
I'm sure cole could if he wants to
Otherwise you'll have to wait for me to get off
stuck mica
I’ll do it for you dw bro
stuck mica
Piety is the best keystone but yeah
short abyss
Let's see it then
stuck mica
Honestly a lot of ways to build stealth it’s great
vagrant atlas
Frown
hallow slate
short abyss
I'm waiting to make fun of him until i see if he spits out garbage or something good
stuck mica
meta ability spam
short abyss
drop shroudfield last node and enduring for until death and Rev imo but yeah
that's fine
👍
gj
stuck mica
nah dont need until death here xd
stuck mica
the problem with this build is flamer is weak without annoint
you can do a non IoD build and it'll perform fine
or a Bolter with Ambuscade for giga damage
short abyss
the problem with this build is flamer is weak without annoint
Que
stuck mica
short abyss
Does anoint buff burn stacks
stuck mica
Also toughness regen curios are cool with loner
yes try it in psyk
it's too much damage to give up tbh
short abyss
Whaaaaaat
short abyss
With stealth since u won't have fotf
Piety might be good for adms
on carapace enemies
piety knife isn't. Ad
stuck mica
what is adms
stuck mica
ye but knife is the one weapon that doesn't rly need piety
you just
riposte or get scourge stacks on 20% base crit
and stealth is guaranteed crit, you just maximize CDR ability spam
urban fossil
This is what I am running, I have only been experimenting with stealth zealot for about a week so take it with a grain of salt https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9de8a407-9563-42b5-9bfe-8fc94d11040b/noob-zealot
I run flamer a lot too
stuck mica
Take off crit chance for unyielding
you dont need 5% crit over 25% damage on something
With flamer get annoint always
short abyss
That's great but take off the last shroudfield node and out on sustained assault on bottom right
Then it's basically perfect
10/10 talent setup
short abyss
don't listen to him
until death is a requirement until u never die or proc it on your own
skill based node
if ur asking about how to build stuff, u need it
stuck mica
stealth is ur cheat death xddd
short abyss
no offense
And yeah drop crit on knife, and change bolter to shatter/puncture flak/unyielding
urban fossil
you dont need 5% crit over 25% damage on something
What about knives high crit damage and zealot crit interactions? What about flak maniac?
stuck mica
Well you're Piety on Knife and you have scourge you'll be critting anyway
Most maniac enemies die in 1 hit anyway
unyielding good for bossing and also FUCK bulwarks
short abyss
Flak + uny is fine
You'll hit near max crit already, 25% more damage is way more important than 5 more crit
Take puncture and shatter on the bolter
Shatters brittleness stacking affects bleed damage which makes it very strong
urban fossil
And what is ambuscade
stuck mica
the right side talents above loner
that and good balance I'd recommend over the left side in general
only reason to take tbws is flamer tbh, but even then
short abyss
What's that do again?
stuck mica
30% damage on range backstab
urban fossil
Makes sense
short abyss
Yeah you don't need twbs on knife
I only take it on weapons that need heavy attacks to clear enemies
Like thammer
urban fossil
And blazing piety for dueling sword and momentum for knife? Is dueling sword or knife better for stealth zealot?
short abyss
no
while piety can be used on virtually any weapon with a finesse modifier, momentum is the best keystone for all zealot weapons (if we ignore martyr since it's niche and requires low hp play)
momentum is best for ds and knife
U just have to take invoc with it
U can't really make a meta stealth build cause fotf is better
So what you have is fine
urban fossil
Stealth is better for random games with bad players though
Easier to revive and rescue
short abyss
Hrup will say piety is the best but he's the only one to do that because he plays in malice 
Not if u just kill everything on the map yourself.
Smile
That's what alot of ppl take a long time to realize
The best way to help your team is honestly typically to just kill everything
Carry, don't feed them to the heretics by reviving deadweight
But again it's a game u can play whatever u want
urban fossil
I feel keeping your team alive is easier than soloing the map
vagrant atlas
Not rlly
Managing a situation vs managing the fallout of the situation
You can get the revive off and they could just slump over dead cuz you're overwhelmed
short abyss
I feel keeping your team alive is easier than soloing the map
If u kill everything nothing can kill them
And if you base your build around being the team mom and keeping them alive, if they're all collectively too useless to clear the level.. you just lose
urban fossil
But stealth revives are practically free
short abyss
But stealth revives are practically free
So is killing everything and -then- reviving them
A good dps build can make room for a safe revive like 99% of the time
Ur immune to melee attacks as long as you have stamina you know
Auto block
And gunners can't really shoot through hordes
urban fossil
The only time I have failed a mission with stealth builds is making a critical dumb error like dodge off a ledge and the team immediately wipes
short abyss
Even just pressing F to stun everything near you with fotf dash is often enough to get someone up safely
urban fossil
Being able to revive anyone downed at any time has not been a detriment
short abyss
The only time I have failed a mission with stealth builds is making a critical d...
We're not saying stealths terrible or unplayable, but it's 100% not the best cause u can do the same stuff and take a better skill
Just speaking in context of meta or "best"
Plenty of ppl play stealth
urban fossil
And the damage is still good and the ability to kill high threat targets is very good
stuck mica
Piety is the best overall Keystone btw
short abyss
Fotf gives more damage and two charges.
Please don't listen to hrup. Any competent player will tell you piety isn't the best.
stuck mica
For Charge and Chorus, it's the best
vagrant atlas
I use piety on everythin
stuck mica
Stealth uses IJ better
urban fossil
The only time I take stealth is when I join a game and assume that players are gonna be going down a lot
vagrant atlas
Cuz it's silly
short abyss
Piety is fun
vagrant atlas
I've never seriously used stealth
short abyss
Ij is objectively undisputedly better for most weapons
vagrant atlas
Tbh I honestly think, like personally, a stealth zeal is kinda a hindrance
stuck mica
heheh xdddddd
short abyss
Tbh I honestly think, like personally, a stealth zeal is kinda a hindrance
Aggro dumping on the nearest noob
vagrant atlas
Or a chorus
vagrant atlas
Theyre off doing their own thing and I know they wont have any of our backs
Theyre unaccounted for constantly
They kind of do damage and they kind of participate in crowd control but theyre not built well for either
vagrant atlas
I know a FotF zeal will be front lining with me and paying attention to specials
urban fossil
Theyre off doing their own thing and I know they wont have any of our backs
That's a bad stealth zealot
vagrant atlas
I know they will haz my backe..
stuck mica
Piety: Better point economy, more Enduring Faith uptime, more crit resets, and synergy with duelists 50% crit modifier.
IJ: better dodges tbh
vagrant atlas
cica preaching
Nop
amber heron
That's a bad stealth zealot
but its really not easy to be a good one
vagrant atlas
I yapping
short abyss
IJ: better dodges tbh
First u didn't know how invoc works
Now u don't know how ij works
stuck mica
stealth zealot has massive impact
short abyss
I'm unsurprised
stuck mica
just
short abyss
tbh
amber heron
IJ: better dodges tbh
15% attack speed is a LOT
like thats a lot for offense and defence
stuck mica
if you want the 10% attack speed on IJ you have to give something up
which is why I say piety has better point eco
short abyss
if you want the 10% attack speed on IJ you have to give something up
(You don't, this guy just religiously takes anoint and purge)
urban fossil
but its really not easy to be a good one
Stealth has more utility than fotf as far as revives and objectives go
stuck mica
(You don't, this guy just religiously takes anoint and purge)
That's giving something up
urban fossil
And I would rather have a good stealth zealot than fotf relic blade zealot number 472 who cleaves pox hordes and goes down the second a bulwark shows up
stuck mica
idk how thats copy pasta worthy
short abyss
🔊 🔥
stuck mica
stealth zealot is an asset like everyone else
amber heron
Stealth has more utility than fotf as far as revives and objectives go
stealth being useful when things are already going wrong is just not something i think is that valuable in a kit
stuck mica
And all weapons is misinfo tbh. A lot of heavy weapons with big stagger can't reliably upkeep 15% stacks
amber heron
its ideal to make it to where things dont go wrong to begin with
stuck mica
you need to be aggro with stealth zealot
stuck mica
stealth veteran is built for helping when things go wrong
urban fossil
The influx of bad players with Xbox release pushed me to try stealth zealot. I take it because it's easier to play independent with a terrible team. On a good team I take fotf or chorus
short abyss
It's ok I can't clown on hrup too hard bc when I was a noob I also shilled for piety rlly hard until I sat down and looked at the numbers and talent setups u could do with ij
He will get there eventually
I'm a believer !!
vagrant atlas
For charge
stuck mica
I used to be an IJ shill
amber heron
Only way 2 get it to proc
if only chained deathblow wasnt in competition with DB and HT
vagrant atlas
IJ is generally the best I think in terms of being consistently good
You can get 12 - 15 stacks in melee if you dodge
A high dodge weapon benefits tremendously with IJ
DClaw, DSs, HSwords etc
Dodge cooldown timer being incredibly low w it synergizes w it well
short abyss
I used to be an IJ shill
I'm sorry you regressed
vagrant atlas
So ur turning urself into a supreme horde mulcher w the hsword
But it's not good w all wpns
Or something like the thammer
Piety rlly isnt an option
Crusher etc
Anything w good anti armor but meh swing speeds or damage on some enemies
Like the THammer w Ragers
amber heron
crusher can work with piety due to the finesse scaling on some attacks
vagrant atlas
Crusher is quirky w the finesse multipliers
But they're like yah
On some attacks
stuck mica
Crusher piety is the best by far
vagrant atlas
It's a quirknificent pick
stuck mica
crusher cant stack IJ well anyway
vagrant atlas
Yah it can lol
Doesnt it have 4 dodges ?
With ff and ij swing speed + the damage it's rlly awesome
You're a sustain mixed horde controller
vagrant atlas
I do
Ive been playin this game a looong time
Playstyle difference i guess
I notice im somewhere between meow and dorn
So I prefer sustain over dps
stuck mica
I'm sure
vagrant atlas
But like both
vagrant atlas
Troo !
vagrant atlas
I notice im somewhere between meow and dorn
Dont mean in terms of skill btw they're both wayyyy better than me, but in like playstyle
Dorn is hold S meow is hold W
Flip u hrup now i want 2 play darktide
stuck mica
I'm sorry for ur loss
vocal belfry
Hold W gaming is so much more fun than Hold S gaming even if S is more tactical
analog birch
As for Hold D gaming, don't start
urban fossil
I tried the mister E build and meta slave build and not having until death was a major detriment. This is the build I am leaning toward now and feels pretty good to play https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9de981ff-fdb3-456e-93e4-5b2d9127ddc0/sweaty-midwit-zealot-build
small rain
I tried the mister E build and meta slave build and not having until death was a...
This is the only build you need
Ferret tested
Ferret approved
urban fossil
Thanks for the martyrdom build
proud stream
I posted a video of it still being practically 10s cd with and without curios an...
Do you have the video? I used CDR on curios by accident yesterday with IOD.
vocal belfry
Do you have the video? I used CDR on curios by accident yesterday with IOD.
Ye, I got one with just the 3x curios equipped
proud stream
Ye, I got one with just the 3x curios equipped
thank you mate!
stuck mica
Yeah that was me
It’s because the video doesn’t prove anything idk what it’s supposed to convey without proper numbers or a direct comparison without cdr curios
And hitting afk mobs in the psykhanium cannot show the value as much as actually gameplay can
vocal belfry
It’s because the video doesn’t prove anything idk what it’s supposed to convey w...
Basic math tells us that +200% regeneration=300% regeneration
A cooldown of 30 seconds becomes 10 seconds with 100% uptime which is very easy
All three CDR curios plus IoD uptime is still almost 10 seconds, barely even saves half of a second if that, and it is easy to time it yourself if you don't require everyone else to do the easy work for you
Run what you like, I'm just saying you get very little bang for your buck
And also to probably not recommend that to new players without first telling them this
small rain
And hitting afk mobs in the psykhanium cannot show the value as much as actually...
ehh?
in real gameplay
you can easily crit every 4 seconds
it's not difficult if your build is crit adjacent in the slightest
how i see it, +200% vs +212% is so minor it's not worth going.
and even on builds without cdr, 12% is nice, but it's still an anemic boost
stuck mica
the cdr curios don't speed up your CDR like the talent, it reduces the cooldown so it's not 212% like you think
Soingy thinks that video is the end all be all proof that CDR curios aren't good so I don't want to argue with him anymore
You don't "easily" crit every 4 seconds unless you're piety with a crit weapon, and even then there's value because like I said, it isn't 212%. They're worded the same but act differently
small rain
it comes out to less than a second of difference either way
small rain
You don't "easily" crit every 4 seconds unless you're piety with a crit weapon, ...
then imo, don't run IoD on a weapon that doesn't crit every 4 seconds when every 10 seconds you would get a guaranteed crit as well
for other abilities, sure, maybe there is more use, but fotf has max value at 10 second cd
stuck mica
You run IoD on every weapon because of the immense value from even 1 crit
small rain
almost like cdr nodes not named martyr purpose needs to be shot in the kneecap
stuck mica
but IoD isn't really relevant to the discussion imo
cdr curios are calculated differently, they just reduce the base cooldown
and that's good because it's up more often when you need it to be up
small rain
how often do you "need" vs want
small rain
vanilla martyrdom alone proves you don't NEED an extra 2-0.5 seconds shaved off your 10 second cd
stuck mica
well it's 3.6 seconds off of each charge cast
to effectively 7.2 seconds when both charges are concerned
small rain
both charges don't regen at the same time
but yea
that doesn't explain the video, jsut that it upsets you
stuck mica
Idk what that video he's showing is supposed to show
small rain
it's showing the effective cooldown of IoD with and without cdr curios lmao
stuck mica
It doesn't have numeric ui to actually see the numbers, and doesn't draw a comparison to not running cdr curios
small rain
you aren't this dense
stuck mica
But there's no comparison
small rain
you can track time with any video player
small rain
i don't use 2 charges when i have IoD but then again
stuck mica
The video is just full of holes and doesn't really prove any point
small rain
i am a purist who doesn't like using IoD as a crutch for every build
stuck mica
a crutch right
small rain
i only use it for crit weapons
small rain
IoD is the most overtuned shit imaginable and enables silly builds to be 'viable' that really have no right to be
you shouldn't be awarded infinite cdr cause you run a crit chaxe
stuck mica
That's how zealot is currently and that's what is meta
stuck mica
No need to be coy just do it
small rain
they would've gotten me
stuck mica
It's a pve game anyway not like you're smurfing in bronze elo
small rain
it's a pve game so lets keep things overpowered where things that can't feasibly be buffed to that level suffer in the dirt
stuck mica
don't strawman me, ferret boy
small rain
like, how fuckin tuned will they have to make martyr's purpose to match IoD
stuck mica
give them 8 months the game is still in closed beta
small rain
nah
crystal ball says buffs to psyker, and smite in particular
smite now gets a damage increase for every carapace enemy currently stunned by it!
ogryn will get one gamebreaking build that they will insist isn't actually strong
vet gets nothing, somehow this is still a buff
stuck mica
Am I schizo am I going insane
Is the video longer than 16 seconds
Is it drawing a comparison?
This is an actual question
vocal belfry
I already answered you but you're not listening
Chastise CD with IoD uptime is 10 seconds
Can you understand this before I make my next statement?
The video shows IoD uptime with CDR curios
stuck mica
It's not 10 bro
vocal belfry
It sure is
stuck mica
Idk I don't want to do this back and forth
ur ignorant idc
also ur pfp is annoying
Get Numeric UI
neon fog
Havoc 40 tru solo player use combat regen.
Must be gud
They also used lacerate uncanny too it's better than flesh tearer. 🙂
stuck mica
For piety flesh tearer is better, one of the guys clarified that in the comments. He just so happened to do it with lacerate that game
but yeah uncanny lacerate is goated
neon fog
For piety flesh tearer is better, one of the guys clarified that in the comments...
Nah not on this comment.
Lacerate uncanny the best.
stuck mica
Wait let me try to find mine
Was the guy a Piety build or IJ?
on IJ Lacerate is the best for sure
neon fog
Piety
stuck mica
huh
neon fog
I believe it was the first published havoc 40 tru solo no stealth cheese meme.
I run lacerate uncanny on boht piety and momentum
neon fog
Yeah but they are meaningless it came from nobodies
stuck mica
with just one scourge stack youll get 55% crit which will end up being more value
Well i'd imagine it came from the uploaders buddiess
with how they worded it
stuck mica
with scourge going beyond 50% crit on piety it makes sense to me that flesh would be bette
neon fog
It's not about the bleed it's about getting scourge stacks up asap
stuck mica
I think with charge guaranteeing atleast one it's not too much of an issue
well
This is a true solo build after all
vagrant atlas
Basic math tells us that +200% regeneration=300% regeneration
How is this the case ?? Is it cuz of the wording ??
I watched ur vid it's like 10 seconds-ish
200% should leave it at 15 noh ?
Oh wait
I think i might be stupid
Is that adding on the 100% regen speed (aka, a second a second) as well
I havent done maffs in many moonz
stuck mica
its 300% in total
vagrant atlas
Then yah it's 10 seconds
stuck mica
It sort of adds it on though
stuck mica
nah u just dont understand
stuck mica
there's no such thing :/
give me a second pls radeon isnt opening ;-;
No one is ever speaking from experience of actually using it in a game which is why it's hard to convey
They just want to be right
Anyways here it's not 10 seconds
you also have to factor in the time is actually takes to tick down to the 12-13 second mark
I took about 4-5 seconds to reach the 12-13 second mark
I don't think this arguement over how much time IoD takes is relevant though. CDR curios shave time off your ability which is huge value when it needs to be used in the moment.
Just like how many other games have CDR elements to them and it's all extremely valuable because of that fact
regardless of the streangth of IoD
vocal belfry
Just like how many other games have CDR elements to them and it's all extremely ...
They're almost always valuable because it's a significant enough reduction
Not in this game xd
vagrant atlas
This isnt factoring in the second after u charge and dont hit a crit, or the rate od change from second-to-second as the timer ticks down; mathematically, it is empirically thus: 200% "regeneration" (300% reduction) will have your ability back in 10 seconds
stuck mica
I mean in general, even 10%. Because you'll have it up in the moment when you need it. And it's more overall casts over the course of a mission
Charge is a guaranteed fucking crit bro
vagrant atlas
X/30 = 100/300 and allat
stuck mica
Are you not watching the video
If you charge and wait the whole 3 seconds before meleeing, it will be 10 seconds after it takes the 4-5 seconds to tick down WITH CDR CURIOS
A thesaurus won't change that fact
vagrant atlas
I dont know what we're even arguing anymeowre
vagrant atlas
300% reduction of 30 is 10
vagrant atlas
Over 10 seconds
stuck mica
there you go
Doesnt look like 20 SECONDS TO ME does it
anyway the main point is that CDR curios are good but we keep cycling back to IoD tick times for whatever damn reason
vocal belfry
Because my main point was that you should probably not be running CDR if you have IoD
Because IoD takes CDR curios out back and shoots it with fifteen magazines
CDR curio by itself, have at it
stuck mica
My point is that it doesn't matter because you're getting the full value of CDR curios regardless of IoD procs. There are no diminishing returns.
also delete ur dumb video
vagrant atlas
Idk why I trusted the talent tooltip when every single talent is essentially a lie w/o enhanced descriptions
vagrant atlas
I did
stuck mica
give it an honest shot
vagrant atlas
I dont like it
I used to run them a lot back in ye olde days
Along w tness regen
stuck mica
Every time I see a legit experience player say it isn't good and spread that word it drives me nuuuuuuuts bro
Because they just don't understand the value
vagrant atlas
Cole actually showed me the numbers when I was a DT baby yrs ago and I swapped over
vagrant atlas
The reduction felt negligible when compared to the benefit i could get from other things
stuck mica
without thinking DEEPER about how GOOD THAT ACTUALLY IS
AAAAAAAAH IM GOING INSAAAAAAAANE
neon fog
Zealot players are sheep and can't think for themselves.
vagrant atlas
What's the bottom part referring to
neon fog
vocal belfry
Don't get me wrong, I like build diversity
stuck mica
its basically saying theyre calculated differently
vocal belfry
But calling CDR curio valuable in the same build as IoD
stuck mica
the cdr curios give the ability base cooldown reduction
while IoD speeds up the tick rate
vagrant atlas
Yummers
stuck mica
so they dont interact with eachother they are their own seperate thing
vagrant atlas
I dont run stamina regen on any of my curios either
stuck mica
what do you run
stuck mica
I do 3x combat 3x tough 3x stam regen on my martyrdom
3x combat, 2x tough, 2x stam, and 2x gunner on my basic piety/IJ build
vagrant atlas
I run stamina regen on two curios i think w the dclaw
But idk i never found a need to use stamina anything
Ive never played knife ever and i never will !!
stuck mica
well then you're a god gamer who can afford to use combat ability regen methinks :)))))
oh
knife is what kept me playing for a long time
that shit is it's own beast I love the damn thing
you should use it
especially if you're interested in true soloing
vagrant atlas
Call me a purist but i wouldnt count most knife true solos ive seen as true solos at all
They usually just rush past 90% of all opposition on the map and call it a solo
short abyss
is hrup shilling for cdr curio again
vagrant atlas
Someone trudging their way through a match w even a ds4 id call a true solo
short abyss
vagrant atlas
Or like an evis
I want 2 say meow did that
My fingerz r too weak for the spam required 2 use knife
I get finger pains just playin the smaul or hswords
short abyss
isn't there a combo mod
vagrant atlas
So i wont use it
vagrant atlas
https://youtu.be/aUla3YgUHjs?si=CmTF7xFQNUegIj2v
LMFAO
short abyss
hrup was it you or someone else
vagrant atlas
Nop
short abyss
who also says piety is the best keystone zealot has
short abyss
vagrant atlas
I generally agree tbh
short abyss
noobatrice..
vagrant atlas
I liked piety when everyone HATED it..
And then i used stallie b4 everyone else used it..
Dorn called me cwazy..
Meow too.. she hates my hsword stallie build..
Yah im a hipster.. worship me..
analog birch
Hey guys have you heard of combat ability regen
short abyss
i can just never justify equating 30% crit to 10-15% damage, attack speed, dodge distance, dodge cdr, and all the other junk
mathematically, unless you're using a very crit heavy weapon, you'll just do less damage
short abyss
stalwart is really nice but theres too many weapons that can have enduring/invoc uptime without piety and your tdr will be fine
vagrant atlas
And I use high dodge weapons mostly
analog birch
Stalwart is the true brain-off option
vagrant atlas
I use stallie w other tdr talents
For multiplicative goodness
Eat crusher overhead 4 lunch
stuck mica
Comparing the two keystones alone IJ is better
vocal belfry
Taking any ranged weapon but infantry las and any melee but double impact dclaw is crutch
vagrant atlas
I tried using ij again and missed my cdr
vocal belfry
Hope this helps
stuck mica
but with Enduring Faith, Duelist, and IoD, and 1 extra talent point in the meta build
is why I say piety is better
vagrant atlas
Ppl 4get what iod was when they swapped over..
short abyss
almost all of my builds for weapons i use can take induring/iod and still ahve full uptime on them
because most weapon can stack scourge and keep enduring/iod up almost exclusively with that
vagrant atlas
short abyss
making piety to keep those buffs up redundant
you also get value with duelist even without crits, which makes that less of a piety/crit specific buff
vagrant atlas
put that mpreg away
short abyss
and out of the weapons that can't keep those buffs up with scourge, several important ones have shred
which you take on that weapon anyway
vagrant atlas
Arigatoful
short abyss
and that really only leaves like
3 weapons? that can't stack scourge + can't take shred?
and out of those 3 weapons.. i think the'yre all slow hitting, which means bad for piety anyway
stuck mica
What
short abyss
and they all have important ij breakpoints
analog birch
In my dumb opinion IOD is worth it even if you literally never crit other than the guaranteed one from F of the F
vagrant atlas
I take piety cuz crushers
stuck mica
I know what u said bro I just think you’re exaggerating
short abyss
but with Enduring Faith, Duelist, and IoD, and 1 extra talent point in the meta ...
you can keep enduring and IOD up with almost every weapon in the game with IJ just because scourge exists
no, i'm not
stuck mica
But idk if I’m in the mood to argue
short abyss
scourge is rlly easy to keep up
vagrant atlas
I feel like i never see its icon
short abyss
and you can have permanent uptime on iod/enduring with just that
vagrant atlas
Like, ever
analog birch
One single proc is essentially what, 12 seconds off a 30 second cooldown? 40% shorter cooldown for basically just using your cooldown
stuck mica
For sure man
short abyss
I feel like i never see its icon
i have crit chance display mod
and i did all of these tests in real games myself
vagrant atlas
I need 2 get that
short abyss
its realllly nice
analog birch
More uptime better ofc but still
vagrant atlas
But my hud is already super cluttered
short abyss
its what showed me relic can't keep scourge up without its cleave blessing
wrath or whatever
vagrant atlas
I run piety hsword 9.. cuz i miss my rending..
short abyss
that's it
i'm mpregging you
i honestly dont like hsword
its really nice but
it feels clunky idk
vagrant atlas
Im a darktide fudd tbh
stuck mica
By your builds do you mean your tac axe because
short abyss
By your builds do you mean your tac axe because
believe it or not
i play more than tacaxe, hrup
vagrant atlas
Piety hsword 9
stuck mica
Pretty sure most weapons don’t have a way to increase innate crit
vagrant atlas
3VEG auric mael w meow
Hawk tuah
Dont need no new fangled compramiclated inexorable sludgement
Good ol crit chance is all ya need i tell u hwaaat
short abyss
Pretty sure most weapons don’t have a way to increase innate crit
fotf + scourge goes up and stays up for almost the entire horde on most weapons
even relic blade with wrath can keep it up
this is why fast attacking weapons are much better than slow ones with crit builds, they are much more reliable at maintaining scourge due to high attack speed (more chances to crit) and they dont tend to have oneshot breakpoints (no scourge stacks if they die D:)
analog birch
Im a darktide fudd tbh
Double Barrel Shotgun, Combat Shotgun, or Revolver only (nobody needs an Assault VIAG!)
short abyss
and for the slower attacking weapons... worse issue, even with piety they struggle to maintain scourge.
vagrant atlas
Or instakill wpns
short abyss
relic mkx light spam isn't exactly slow but it can't do it without a cleave blessing to force bad bps
vagrant atlas
Like dblow or bm
short abyss
^
stuck mica
Scourge uptime isn’t as much as you think bro, especially if you’re one shotting things or don’t have piety
stuck mica
I feel like you’re just saying things to not admit ur wrong tbh
vagrant atlas
I take it when i play monst. specs
short abyss
or maybe, i tested these things because i'm obsessive about breakpoints and i want to use the best build i possibly can
vagrant atlas
Cuz bosses and no enemies means no piety
short abyss
and the fact that you're not sure means you didn't test them and you're the one talking out of your ass
vagrant atlas
Means no chastise..
short abyss
l m a o
vagrant atlas
Spend the best yrs of my life watchin a number tick down..
stuck mica
Man I’ve used all this shit just as much as everyone else has
vagrant atlas
U guys r like
stuck mica
I know how fucking invoc you’re just being willfully ignorant to try to convince everyone you’re right
vagrant atlas
My lil beetlez
stuck mica
Man I’m sick of this
vagrant atlas
I put into a ring
short abyss
then scram
vagrant atlas
And i watch u fling eachother
short abyss
you're wrong and thats okay hrup
i tested things and you self admittedly didn't
xx
vagrant atlas
U 2 r probs the most combative and argumentative glooperz in this discord !!
stuck mica
I’ve used every single build in this game bro
vagrant atlas
Except 4 everyone else
stuck mica
Idk I hate furries
vagrant atlas
Yo mama
stuck mica
He’ll die before admitting piety is any better so what’s the point
short abyss
maybe because i don't lie to new players like you do
vagrant atlas
We share opps
short abyss
🚬
stuck mica
Also ur pinned builds are shit
vagrant atlas
Lumii is also my opp..
vagrant atlas
I like lumiis build
short abyss
🚬
vagrant atlas
The piety relic one
short abyss
(ironically, he doesn't like my piety build)
vagrant atlas
It's what i use now
I used it in a hav 38 and it was wonderful
Top damaged w max chorus uptime
It was vry pawesome good jorb
Good bye chord 13g
Relic is my new best friend
Wranial
Or crath..
short abyss
anyway
i'm going to settle this debate now
who wants to see a video of me keeping scourge up instantly with no drops on the mkx
🚬
IJ
short abyss
but yeah i'm pulling things out of my ass
🚬
as if hitting a horde in a real game would have any different results
then you'd complain "erm that horde was dense.. no fair"
stuck mica
A lot of different variables too consider but you won’t admit any of them
short abyss
maybe if you tried it instead of petulantly whining you'd be taken seriously
i test things in real games
stuck mica
AHHH FUCK ME I don’t care
short abyss
im just not in one right now
stuck mica
It’s not worth it
vagrant atlas
Lmfao
short abyss
imagine that
vagrant atlas
Fight bugz fight !
short abyss
i post proof and he goes "UHH UHHHH HHH PSYK"
as if hordes are different in real games
i have a pic of him saying 'stealth zealot has HUGE impact'
he's like a worse nade i swear
short abyss
i only take it seriously cause i dont like the idea of a information discord like this straight up giving new players misinformation
i don't think that's cool
vagrant atlas
Yo mama !
short abyss
like if you wanna play piety or you want to ask for a piety builds, sure !!
yo daddy
vagrant atlas
short abyss
both of them
i'm just gonna keep playing with this and drop these in here for a while
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jrL9vCRK23iduR14B?invite=cr-MSxXUWUsMjE0MTU3ODUwLA
Big horde! Scourge is up the whole time.
ignore my whole team dying to a plogryn in the back
or, i can get 2001'd back to my lobby 3 games in a row
fatshark..
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jrLvedUJ7wNn3Kplp?invite=cr-MSxuVVksMjE0MTU3ODUwLA
Small group of enemies, scourge went up
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jrLx1uG7PoGx7llhy?invite=cr-MSx4RDUsMjE0MTU3ODUwLA
boss, scourge went up
short abyss
I feel like you’re just saying things to not admit ur wrong tbh
any specific tests you want me to run other than these? Since psych doesn't count.
Tee hee.
stuck mica
Listen man
short abyss
all i'm saying
is that you can keep enduring/scourge up without piety
thats it!
no other argument made here
and now i've proved it
stuck mica
Piety together with scourge makes the critting and upkeep of scourge, IoD, and Enduring faith a lot more consistent.
short abyss
since you wanted to straight up call me a liar, i just wanted to show you that you can, hrup.
stuck mica
Also you fought that boss like shit
stuck mica
I’m saying it’s less consistent, and by a considerable margin
short abyss
I’m saying it’s less consistent, and by a considerable margin
its consistent in situations that matter - i dont think waffling over scourge uptime against tiny groups of enemies matters, but against carapace, bosses, and large hordes, its permanently up
stuck mica
Against bosses yeah
stuck mica
Scourge isn’t a replacement for piety though
short abyss
just to clarify hrup
stuck mica
Piety and scourge go hand in hand even better
short abyss
i'm specifically just talking about keeping enduring/invoc up with scourge
and saying its possible without piety on ALOT of weapons
even "slow" ones like relic
im not talking about the whole piety keystone grrr argument right now
because thats the statement i made about it
stuck mica
Yeah and I’m saying it’s less consistent overall
Also I’m starting to realize how meaningless this is so
short abyss
i told you you could get perma uptime and you straight up called me a liar like a little kid, i'm sure it does.
Now that i proved you wrong, run back to your malice games, piety boy.
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proud stream
https://youtu.be/aUla3YgUHjs?si=CmTF7xFQNUegIj2v
Sycorax, mods! it doesn't count!
amber heron
Sycorax, mods! it doesn't count!
proud stream
also, i did my last h40 with iod and crit cdr, did not really feel the difference tbh.. i'd rather have a cdr based on elite or special enemies killed
analog birch
also, i did my last h40 with iod and crit cdr, did not really feel the differenc...
That's what your pocket psyker is for (among other things)
urban fossil
tawny lodge
This has issues
No TWBS on evisc
2/4 evisc roll (shred->savage sweep armor type over crit perk)
vagrant atlas
@hrup
tawny lodge
Died
tawny lodge
Rev attacks
small rain
And why do you need twbs?
not getting your rev attacks broken from a single poxwalker
there is zero need for lethal proximity either
i'm pretty sure it doesn't work on immo nades
take run and gun or surgical instead
small rain
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df03343-232e-4e88-b80f-8332c76fbced/my...
0 need to take ability cdr with Invocation of death
tawny lodge
Oh right that forgor about it
small rain
i'd look for a way to drop disdain for sustained assault
tawny lodge
Could run stalwart