Builds for Shouty Bois

[ripe lark]

Include knife blessings and ranged options if you will because I know nothing about this playstyle

[hoary hull]

headshotting a special with a knife is very satisfying

chant build doesnt seem like a meme. might be his strongest ult

[silk bolt]

It’s very powerful, despite the Zealot being turned off for its duration

[hoary hull]

can still loot plasteel during

[silk bolt]

the benefits of being a sitting duck

[hoary hull]

its probably less fun in soloq. but if you trust your team, it creates too much space

all the situations that would usually have us laughing and seeing if someone can clutch, just trivialized

[fleet prism]

for a thammer berserker CC build(using the dash ability) should i just dump all my points into the first tree? i did invest a bit into the second tree for flame grenade

[azure cove]

I didn't like double bleed. For me, lacerate and ruthless backstab is best. W just a plain stealth heavy back I do like 1.9k to Crusher. I still kept my talents the same

I'll try double bleed w unyielding tho. I rolled unarmored and flak so I was locked to that

[neon jetty]

ya wheet was showing a 2.3k+ backstab on crusher saying he was using double bleed talents. I can only hit that number using the higher dmg stealth augment + mercy killer.

I was rocking Mercy Killer + lacerate. Felt good. I might try to roll a knife with Ruthless backstab as well.

I think you could also build it with 0 bleeds and it would perform well, more dmg is good. Depends if you bleed things out or stay to get the kill.

He also said bleeding kills count as backstabs, but in the meat grinder I was unable to get this to work. Didn't seem so. Possibly it does in a live game though (wouldn't be the first time something didn't properly work in the psykernarium)

the build is pretty awesome, wheet helped out a lot. BUT, I think he's overestimating how much dmg bleed actually does. My experience: it caps out on 50dmg per tick on a crusher and even full stacks barely dents them. Double bleed perks doesn't matter, I'm able to hit max stacks with 2 crits. I don't think having to light attack 1-2 extra times for an extra crit breaks the build.

I really think rocking any combination of Ruthless Backstab, Uncanny strike, Mercy Killer even without bleed would work. The bleed just adds the cherry on top that lets you RELY on the bleeds, but I also didn't find 2 bleed blessings helped at all. Seemed like it was overkill and didn't add anything.

I appreciate Wheets build and advice, I just think he's a little attached to the full bleed setup/fantasy and hasn't actually tested/number crunched to find it caps out and the amount of bleed he's stacking is superfluous. However - he's onto something with the general build, feels good. Like the guy said above scoreboard doesn't tell the whole story, but I did this last night in a high intensity Damnation. Modified his build by adding the 50% cooldown +100% dmg stealth augment (i really like it, NUKES crushers and bosses) and my dagger is Mercy Killer + lacerate + flak + maniac

TBH the stealth can be pulled off cooldown so quick, i'm not noticing the double cooldown debuff from the augment. The extra damage really helped vs armoured units and bosses (especially since i wasn't running ruthless backstab or uncanny for rending)

[azure cove]

Lacerate is nice for hordes, but I didnt kill anything noticeably faster adding the other bleed blessing for the lighter enemies since you'll crit them to death before they bleed out. If youre kiting a horde, they'll bleed out then normally. I also only got 50 tick per on crusher

[neon jetty]

ya, same experience

i even considered lacerate wasn't worth it, and double dmg blessings is nice

but i do like the extra bleed sometimes, on non-crusher units it stacks up to 200dmg a tick quickly

and will kill most things from half hp

[azure cove]

I just have lacerate to get the proc going faster. It feels more consistent

[neon jetty]

ya, agreed

i do think if you got used to relying without it tho

mercy killer, uncanny, ruthless backstab - some combination of these 3 would be really strong too

[azure cove]

I didnt find Mercy Killer as useful except maybe bosses it might kill slightly faster

[neon jetty]

i might need to test it

but i go for the heavy headshots on elites constantly

and the 1 shot on most elites/specials is nice

if it changes that 1 shot i might not like losing it

i need to farm plasteel and roll some more knives to try tbh

1 more thing

have you noticed your stealth cooldown sometimes doesn't go on cooldown, or instantly resets?

sometimes I stealth, and while im still in stealth (haven't attacked) it just lights up again instantly and i can use it twice

is it a bug, or is there another class feeding me instant cooldown?

it was even happening when my cooldown was a full 60 seconds

[azure cove]

Didnt notice the stealth insta resets

[neon jetty]

happened ot me several times over a few games

ill try to clip next time it happens

and I'll @ you and wheet to see what you guys think

[azure cove]

I think only ragers I couldnt kill super fast w knife

[neon jetty]

i couldn't figure out why it was happening

ragers are a bit of a pain, but i either bleed them out or push/punch them (the punch can stagger them) and then heavy attack 2-3 times to head

[azure cove]

Bleed kantreal surprisingly more effective than I thought

[neon jetty]

also throwing knife to the head does good dmg to them

or revolver

[azure cove]

Oh idk the punch can stagger

[neon jetty]

it seemed like it could

maybe not if they in the middle of combo?

try it out

bleed kantrael shotty?

how does that work

[azure cove]

Bleed and burn melts shooters while youre slashing the horde

[neon jetty]

so you throw a burn round on them or two, then dive in melee and also stack bleed

or are you somehow using crits to apply bleed with the shotty

[azure cove]

Scattershot got buffed I think. 10% per hit previously. So it's good for shooters grouped in distance

Fletchette applies bleed oncrit

[neon jetty]

sorry, im being dumb

[azure cove]

So 2 shots in a group pretty much bleeds and burns

[neon jetty]

are those talent tree nodes?

[azure cove]

No blessings for kantreal

It's also an easy way to pre apply bleed and stagger before you even get close

[neon jetty]

oh ive only ever rocked like no respite/fire frenzy/deathspitter etc

on kant

[azure cove]

I do that for regular kant

That's better for Elites

Er Crushers and Stuff*

[neon jetty]

how does scattershot actually work

bc when you swap to knife you lose the crit chance right

[azure cove]

But since I have knife I'm fine with the bleed kan

[neon jetty]

so is it helping the flame dot crit?

[azure cove]

No. It's to oroc the bleeed

From kant

[neon jetty]

ohh

im reading flachette now

[azure cove]

So 2 shots at most in a group will almost guarantee bleed. I forgot if scattershot has a limit

[neon jetty]

i never have even SEEN that blessing

[azure cove]

Only t2 or 3 blessing

Like blaze away

[neon jetty]

you're almost always loading in the flame round, for more spread and so the bleed + flame can crit right?

[azure cove]

Yeah

[neon jetty]

or are you shooting it normally to apply it

gotcha

i gotta try that!

sounds dope

i'll be honest

[azure cove]

That ranged tightener sucks for it tho lol

I need the wide shot to spread

[neon jetty]

using the shotty like that you might be able to drop bleed all together on the knife even MORE so

[neon jetty]

i noticed this since patch, sometimes my reticle tightends and gets more specific on shotty. Never happeend before.
is this a new feature?

OH

im triggering the passive

aren't i

[azure cove]

It's a bit slow tho. I usually use it more to kill groups of shooters in back or thru horde like Gunners while I deal with horde

[neon jetty]

the right side node in the stealth tree

[azure cove]

Yeah

[neon jetty]

just realzied and made that connection

derp

i was wondering why that reticle tightening was happening

[azure cove]

Also good to apply bleed and flame with kant then I can go 6 sec stealth while they die

And pick up teammate or kill the heavier targets

[neon jetty]

ya, im wondering if i can drop bleed on knife

use kant + crit talent to bleed

and just go full dmg sicko mode on knife

backstab + mercy killer or rending

[azure cove]

I still go 20 unyielding so the 25% ranged bonus helps Kant at close range too

[neon jetty]

thanks for the idea

bleed shotty i didn't know was a thing

i blindly built the 'meta' shotty and used it for so long

never considered it

i like the revolver too, but with throwing knives and thr shotties accuracy in normal mode i don't think its needed

that AOE bleed/flame stacking on shooters/horde would be a perfect fit to cover this builds weaknesses

[azure cove]

Thats why i didnt use revolver. Seemed too overlapping

[neon jetty]

i too thought so

[azure cove]

Yeah it lets you deal w 2 groups in 2 different flanks at once

[neon jetty]

but i tried it on wheets suggestion and it DID feel good

lets you pull it out and delete problem targets instantly

and the throwing knives felt accurate with it

(unlike braced auto or something)

[azure cove]

It also lets you tick the dog in the horde where your throwing knife cant get

[neon jetty]

time i would pop a revolver shot + throwing knife at teh same time to delete target that didn't die in 1 shot

was nice

[azure cove]

Plus the extra 20% infested talent helps

[neon jetty]

i wanted this, still do

but dropped it

[azure cove]

Yeah but you could also just throw a 2nd knife lol

I havent changed the talents I posted. It works splendidly for me. I get everything I wanted

I want to try a double bleed w an unyielding knife tho

[distant musk]

@neon jetty

[azure cove]

Blessings and perks on knife?

Which shroud

[distant musk]

You can also do it with the light version of the stealth. I have to use the +20% damage on no stamina since my knife isn't all 3 80's.

[azure cove]

...

[distant musk]

You can also do this w/ buffs up.

Which isn't optimal since PA spam exists but it is funny to 3 shot with the punch combo.

[neon jetty]

Wait...the patch reset all my damn presets?????????

UGH

come ON

i had just spent 3 days theorycrafting builds and saving them in presets

im not gonna remember them all

you gotta be fuckign kidding me

[neon jetty]

what is PA spam?

whats your build to do 3k dmg in the back, are you using the stealth dmg augment?

[azure cove]

He went w slightly different tree path and his knife has carapace

So it doesnt help validate the double bleed 1 shots

[neon jetty]

was the talent tree exhillious is using posted?

[distant musk]

Here's the tree I'm using for the most recent video. PA spam is push attack spam.

If I don't use the +damage on 0% stamina talent I barely kill.

[azure cove]

@neon jetty i was re reading. He says in practice he is ramping up dmg buffs. Also possible render w revolver first.

All my tests were just 1 heavy backstab without ramping up buffs

[neon jetty]

ty!
oh, ive never used the dmg on empty stamina talent. Is that why you're spamming push attacks, specifically to drain your stamina for the boost? I've never thought about doing this, seems cumbersome to do in a live match how do you manage it?

[distant musk]

The Knife's PA is really good. It has the same exact damage profile as the H1 and H2 iirc. Key thing is that it comes out far faster.

For backstabs though the PA cannot hit the backstab+weakspot hitbox on most enemies (including Crushers).

[cosmic shuttle]

i run lacerate for hordes, not necessarily for single target damage

flesh tearer for backstabs, lacerate for just spamming

[neon jetty]

how are you getting 61 bleed dmg a tick? maybe dmg buffs? mine seems to cap at 50

[cosmic shuttle]

ragers also die in one hit but probably because i have the unyielding damage buff lol

[distant musk]

Uncanny probs. My tree is blank in that video.

[neon jetty]

wow, good tip. I'll try this.
I'll put uncanny back on and see if it changes my max bleed dmg value

how are you making sure you get the 20% with no stamina bonus"?

seems hard, bc i always have a fraction of a stamina bar

do you push attack or sprint to drain it purposely, then stealth->backstab?

does the stamina not refil a bit and cut off the buff ?

[cosmic shuttle]

having no stamina on the knife is, believe it or not, an awful idea lol

your entire kit is blocking and dodging so if you can’t do that you just die

[distant musk]

With base stamina you get it in 4 PAs.

[neon jetty]

ya, i like my knife stamina. I noticed the knifes push is insanely powerful? Like i'll push and entire group of poxies in front of me staggers.

[neon jetty]

ill ook into this

and test it

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah that’s what i was talking about

the push is so wide you can control hordes entirely

obviously doesn’t have that much cleave but you do so much crits it doesn’t matter

[distant musk]

If I'm using a knife I never block. So the +damage on stamina works out since it turns into a "you need this many PAs to proc" bar.

[cosmic shuttle]

never block?

[distant musk]

I rarely need to. On HiStG I sometimes am required to since I get thrown into a mosh pit of elites but in those cases I'm not PAing anyway so it never turns into an issue.

[cosmic shuttle]

eh fair enough

idk why goblin gamer brain can’t play the same loadout for more than a day i’ll probably end up switching off the knife eventually

but it’s a matter of getting a good one with good blessings first

[neon jetty]

ya, its interesting how this build seems viable with several different ideas/blessings/talents and playstyles behind it

why i love this game

the combat and skill expression is just so rich

[green onyx]

best blessings for thammer?

Thrust and what else

[sour lantern]

unyielding

I think

[distant musk]

Thrust + Slaughterer. Headtaker is a solid backup for Slaughterer incase you don't have Slaught yet.

[cosmic shuttle]

didnt slaught get a heavy nerf

[pure quartz]

A T4 slaughterer and T4 headtaker at max stacks is only a 15% differential

[cosmic shuttle]

ah

slaughter it is, then

[pure quartz]

so the gap between the two power blessings on hammer isnt that wide

[cosmic shuttle]

also doens't thammer roll wrath or whatever

for the bonus damage when hitting 3+ enemies

[pure quartz]

no you want Thrust as 2nd blessing

[cosmic shuttle]

well obviously

[pure quartz]

both crucis and ironhelm can do horde clear just fine

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah

when ironhelm came out i thought it was gonna ba actually CC focused and the charged attack would be like a slam or something

then agan i guess that's what the power maul is for

[pure quartz]

Ironhelm's in a better place than it used to be

unfortunately the Crusher is still a meme weapon

[cosmic shuttle]

unfortunate

its definitely cool to cc a giant horde by slamming a hammer down

maybe one day....

i honestly wish that ironhelm's charge attack was more like a power/force sword and just gave it that 14.5 cleave or whatever in exchange for damage

[royal orbit]

What is BIS for CBlade ? (knife)

[cosmic shuttle]

flesh tearer lacerate

imo

but honestly

run anything that does bleed, crit or both

knife isn’t so much about blessings but game knowledge from my experience

[royal orbit]

okay, is there a dump stat on this one ?

[cosmic shuttle]

eh, not really?

[royal orbit]

yeah that's what i thought

[cosmic shuttle]

everything has its place on knife

but the stats you wanna focus down are damage/first target/armour pen in that order

[royal orbit]

i feel like penetration is the "least" important since it only affect a small pool of targets

[cosmic shuttle]

mobility and finesse is obviously important

[royal orbit]

but still important

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah but since your job is taking down specials it matters

[royal orbit]

true

[cosmic shuttle]

since all the big bad specials and elites have armour

[royal orbit]

yy

[cosmic shuttle]

then again, bleed goes through armour

so who cares

[royal orbit]

indeed

[cosmic shuttle]

just do enough crit to punch through carpace

[royal orbit]

Is this one okay to start upgrading ?

[cosmic shuttle]

solid

i have basically the same stat distribution but it’s like a 350 base instead

[royal orbit]

any recommendations on perks ?

[cosmic shuttle]

unyielding/flak imo for gunners

or flak/sprint for more mobility

[royal orbit]

ok

[cosmic shuttle]

flak just let’s you one-hit gunners which is useful because there’s usually a caesar’s legion gunning you down in auric

[cosmic shuttle]

immaculate

now run blazing piety and backstabber + scourge and you have 107% crits

[royal orbit]

i think i'll go for unyielding, i already have shredder to deal with flak

lmao

[cosmic shuttle]

fair enough, i just like flak for backstab ohks on gunners like i said

then again, everything dies in one hit outta stealth

and you gain stealth back so fast it doesn’t matter

[distant musk]

Mobility is the dump stat.

Everything else has higher priority.

[royal orbit]

i see

[cosmic shuttle]

doesn’t mobility affect dodge distance?

[royal orbit]

backstabber give crit ?

[cosmic shuttle]

no backstabber just gives a free 20% damage bonus

idk where i was going with that one tbh

[distant musk]

It does, but even at 0% mobility the dodge distance is more than enough.

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah fair enough

my knife has 80% mobility so whenever i neutral evade backwards it feels like i get dropkicked backwards by the emperor himself

[royal orbit]

That's my current setup

I'm torn between bolter and shredder for my range weapon, without bolter i have nothing against carapace armor

but shredder help a ton against specialists (and ranged in general)

[cosmic shuttle]

ew run piety

[cosmic shuttle]

revolver

[royal orbit]

That's actually a good insight

[royal orbit]

Not enough points 😦

If I run piety I can't get the extra 10% CRIT chance 😭

[cosmic shuttle]

don’t run shroud augments

or actually commit to right tree

immolation grenades are often more of a detriment to your team anyway lol

[distant musk]

They do nothing to detriment your team unless you have a teammate with their brightness maxxed in which it would blind them, but it wouldn't blind them any more than normal fire.

[cosmic shuttle]

me and my mates are colourblind as fuck and i’m sure other people are too

until they make the colours more apparent (or just make all enemy fire tox fire) i’m not running fire nades lol

but you do whatever obviously, who am I to control your playstyle :p

[royal orbit]

Honestly immolation grenades saved many of my games, I am way better at using them than the knifes

I like using it at chokepoints to clear most of the hordes and incoming specialists

[cosmic shuttle]

undoubtably does damage yes

[royal orbit]

Running in the middle of the fire help your team figure out it's harmless too

[cosmic shuttle]

i’m just saying for knife builds… eh?

[cosmic shuttle]

more or less

if only there was some form of testing that can be done to get feedback before a patch releases….

[royal orbit]

Well my logic is getting the knife to kill big targets and nades for horses

Yeah I think the flames should really have a different visual effect

It's exactly the same as the fire barrels

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah well if you’re trying to do hybrid knife it usually doesn’t end up working out too well

[royal orbit]

I see

[cosmic shuttle]

you are the elite/special killer, your teammates are supposed to clear the ads

but i digress

[royal orbit]

I didn't test it so you're probably right

I just felt that the knife thow wasn't my thing

[cosmic shuttle]

it does high damage and inherits your weapon blessings so lol

[royal orbit]

IT DOES WHAT

Jesus that's such an important mechanic and it's explained absolutely nowhere wtf 😭

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah it also seems to either be a bug or just inconsistent

[royal orbit]

Idk, I've been using the armor pen on range attack from zealot dash since the beta and it has never been fixed, so I guess it's legit at this point

[cosmic shuttle]

that's been confirmed intentional

AP flamer is... something

[royal orbit]

Damn would it kill them to just write it somewhere

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah it would they don't have a QA department

[royal orbit]

I love using this with showstopper on dense elite horde

[cosmic shuttle]

lol

[royal orbit]

The kill feed dopamine

[cosmic shuttle]

true

krak nades

[hot void]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a56beda-6778-42d5-bffe-7a88662ac870/gold-standard-support-zealot

Gold standard SUPPORT zealot build now put into a build editor link for her pleasure

Read the description for notes on weapons

[cosmic shuttle]

support zealot…. with knives?

[azure cove]

Try out flachette kant. It's fun

[hot void]

You really don't need stun nades if you got chorus KEKW

[cosmic shuttle]

true, but also auric damnation missions

[hot void]

Yes exactly

If you chorus your teammate will ress

unless you're the only one alive

[cosmic shuttle]

oh and personally i’d swap out the damage resistance buff to the damage increase for the relic

[hot void]

then it's GG and blame the team

[cosmic shuttle]

• if you don’t need stuns you can run fire nades and do both

[hot void]

if the buff got applied at the first tick of the chorus, then yes I'd agree, but since it's not: nah

[cosmic shuttle]

idk, knives are useless in my experience

and if you are going that route you might as well get an eviscerator or a chainsword for bleed imo

[cosmic shuttle]

eh, i always take damage

if i’m proccing chorus, taking damage usually isn’t an issue

[hot void]

this build has been going around since like day 1 of the patch and a lot of people have been having success with it

[cosmic shuttle]

just helps my teammates & me slay out for those 10 seconds or whatever r

i mean whatever works

i just have strong opinions on zealots and zealot play styles

[hot void]

I mean the only valid opinion is that zealot shouldn't run chorus because doing chorus means you aren't doing damage

unless you make sure to only do chorus when you're alone

then you're peak zealot

[hot void]

I did add those weapons to the description, but I've heard mixed receptions on the alternative weapons

[cosmic shuttle]

idk i just personally don’t like the dc sword + the eviscerator is a giant chainsaw like wtf

[hot void]

with the buff to dc's maniac damage it's kinda bussing ngl

two tapping mutants :33

[cosmic shuttle]

i’m at a point in chorus where i do like one or two pulses just as CC if i’m alone lol

ain’t nobody got time for 7 pulses

[hot void]

Yes same KEKW

[cosmic shuttle]

but it’s funny how it’s a glorified pause button

and i’m also surprised the suppression/stun is an augment considering you have to take it anyway

[hot void]

ig they felt like it would be too good if it didn't cost 2 talent points to go down the chorus route

[cosmic shuttle]

true

[stiff spoke]

infested to maniac?

[cosmic shuttle]

eh

personally i’d replace savage sweep

[fleet prism]

is haymaker any good on knives

[cosmic shuttle]

no because it needs you to use the alternate ability

which is like

why

[hot void]

yeah nah I'd keep savage sweep

Bleeds are cute but like eh

More cleave for more cd redux

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah but my name is john bleed

so stack bleed

all the time

[fleet prism]

should i use this one and level it up?

or stick with is one

[hot void]

that second knife is ass

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah that second one is straight blasphemous

[fleet prism]

what should i try to get on knives

[cosmic shuttle]

flesh tearer lacerate

do not listen to anything else

flesh tearer lacerate

[hot void]

flesh tearer

Uncanny Strike / Lacerate

[fleet prism]

how do i get new perks on knives, just buy and earn blessing?

[cosmic shuttle]

they will tempt you with “rending”

heresy

flesh tearer lacerate

[cosmic shuttle]

si

[hot void]

ye buy brunts and raise them

[cosmic shuttle]

plasteel:

[hot void]

:33

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah

[cerulean nexus]

Is this build any good

[hot void]

not having EWEW is sad but it's aight

[cerulean nexus]

what is ewew sorry I’m new

[hot void]

enemy within enemy without

[cerulean nexus]

just some build I ripped I’m open to anything

[hot void]

top left 2nd talent

[cerulean nexus]

Word

[hot void]

also not running either of the buffs from chorus is a.. bit of a weird move

I'm not sure if I hate it entirely

[cerulean nexus]

do you have a good build

[hot void]

#1158835247685836853 message

this is my chorus build

[cerulean nexus]

auto gun 😦

[hot void]

vraks autogun is a bit of a beast rn

it onetaps almost everything

it's good in every build and an actual beast with chastise

2-3 bursts for a crusher kill on chastise

[cerulean nexus]

what is chastise

difficulty

[hot void]

it's the left ability

instead of chorus

[cerulean nexus]

oh

[hot void]

the one where you charge at an enemy

and i'm talking about damnation difficulty (difficulty 5)

[cerulean nexus]

That makes sense

Why share a build for anything else lol

[hot void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1161477391860899850/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2023-10-10_01-39-31_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6538711d&is=6525fc1d&hm=424727d724e67f89cdb46f01e3ed62d3536d048ee762838096f42eefd08f8ced&

See ^^

[cerulean nexus]

Wait

if you have chorus you can still do the dash thing?

[hot void]

but yeah uh, you can use any other ranged weapon with my build, it doesn't really rely on a ranged weapon

No

but you can still one tap gunners, snipers, bombers or flamers without chastise

[cerulean nexus]

your build has chorus are you not dashing in the video

ohhh

Thank you for indulging my stupid questions im getting it now I think

[hot void]

in the description of the build I listed a few alternate weapons

it doesn't name the laspistol but you can still use it if you somehow keep your cool during auric madness and manage to do headshots

bc without headshots laspistol falls off

[cerulean nexus]

are flamers bad

[hot void]

No, they're great at mixed hordes

they provide a lot of CC and a decent bit of damage

[cerulean nexus]

I guess it’s better to have an option against ranged enemies anyway

[hot void]

The damage gets a lot better with chastise, but without it's still good for the CC

yeah i prefer long ranged options in case you get pinned down by reapers or gunners or whatever

instead of waiting behind a wall for your teammates to do it for you

[cerulean nexus]

Especially with chorus and no dash

like how are you getting in

[hot void]

Chorus provides 5 secs of invuln

[cerulean nexus]

Chorus is the like crucifix thing right

[hot void]

yes

[cerulean nexus]

yeah I’m excited for that

looks very fun

How often are you using melee then if your gun is so good

[hot void]

Almost all the time

I only swap to gun if I need to take care of some elites quickly

[cerulean nexus]

do you only use the gun for specials

Yeah elites

ok word

[hot void]

yepyep

[cerulean nexus]

I’m rocking with it

[small rain]

#zealot-class message putting this here to save for my generalist martydom build, chain axe, but most everything can work with it by just moving talents around

curios 3x wounds, 3x hp, 3x toughness, 2x gunner resist, 1x sniper resistance (might shuffle between gunner and sniper amounts as I play more)

[neon jetty]

this can end up being pretty good right?

point blank and/or crucian roulette for 2nd blessing, flak or unyielding swap for crit damage perk?

i could also go reload speed somewhere

[steel flame]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKOX28WwJTE

I now have footage for the build

[neon jetty]

gonna use this on a crit build, how is it? i added flak, should i look to upgrade t4 savage sweep or unarmoured to maniac or unyielding, maybe carapace?

[topaz star]

what blessings do you run on relics?

[lament juniper]

You don't need unyielding if you have the node that gives damage against unyielding foes

[small rain]

tldr shouty crit build, take a weapon that can go savage sweep+ shred

you want this

and this

give your chorus the cc and damage boost to allies and enjoy spamming

[neon fog]

Chanter.

[ripe lark]

Hello, should I purchase this? Damage seems pretty low but everything else good and right blessings

[steel flame]

Only to give to Hadron for the Thrust Blessing

Otherwise not worth :c

[sour lantern]

what do you guys think ?

I play the Bonk 2000 btw

[obtuse mango]

momentum best for thammer

[sour lantern]

aight

I have one point left where should I put it

[wooden nacelle]

what are the best curio effects to have?

[silk bolt]

Gunner/Sniper resist, Revive speed, Sprint efficiency, percentage-based Health or Toughness are typically all good in a way

In the context of Zealot of course - these perks can vary for other classes

[wooden nacelle]

okay thanks

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah so criterator lol

i’ve come to the conclusion i don’t need bloodletter on the criterator if everything dies in one swing

[distant musk]

Bloodletter was my original recommendation since it could be used to ramp up Scourge, however Shred has a similar effect and can also increase the max amount of Crit Chance you can get. Bloodletter cannot.

[cosmic shuttle]

shred or rampage or whatever

more cleave == more better = more sacrifices in the emperor’s name

[sour lantern]

momentum IV or something else for a thammer with thrust IV ?

[small rain]

slaught or headtaker

never momentum

[sour lantern]

aight

headtaker it is

[cosmic shuttle]

why replenish toughness if you can just kill them before they get to you?

[obtuse mango]

Kill not always guaranteed, having ways to replenish toughness by merely existing guarantee higher uptime on hard difficulties during situations where you need to dodge / reload / reposition / resurrect a teammate

[sour lantern]

it's ok

I've done an auric high whatsitsname while in complete darkness

I'm invincible

[cosmic shuttle]

thats what ewew is for

and..... everything else in the zealot kit

im saying momentum is useless

[obtuse mango]

in the context of thunderhammer blessings, yes momentum is useless

[cosmic shuttle]

i just dont like it period

[urban cobalt]

Is this thing salvageable with reblessings?

[distant musk]

You'd have to upgrade it to see. Good chance to be bricked though.

[azure cove]

if you're not looking for a t4 blessing, i'd scrap it if the 2nd perk isn't what you want

[small rain]

maybe? butit is a risky upgrade

you want HT rampage or HT deathblow

[neon jetty]

GUYS....i cant do it

the knife has too much blessing diversity

who was it that asked for balance?

lol

i just can't decide on 2 knife blessings, i want 4 lol

[fleet prism]

what modifiers should i be looking to be the highest on the knife, also what is a good amount of base damage

[distant musk]

Mobility is the dump stat. Stats go to 80%, and the max rating is 380. Ideally you have 80's in everything and a 60 in mobility.

[small rain]

all modifiers do damage/contribute to damage on knife besides mobility

you want to dump mobility as much as possible, since knife is extremely mobile at baseline

[azure cove]

I cannot stress enough that mobility is the dump stat in case it wasnt clear

[azure cove]

I have 2 now, but I settled on lacerate (finally found t4)|flesh tearer with carapace|unyielding

[lament juniper]

Is unyielding required? Zealot gets the passive that gives +20% to unyielding and infested

[steel flame]

Depends on weapon

Chain weapons (Chainaxe, Chainsword and Evisc) benefit greatly from it, so do both Thunder Hammers and the Indignatus Crusher but don't tell anyone I said that

For other weapons, you probably won't be taking it unless you are going down that tree specifically for the molotov grenade

[ripe lark]

What should be changed here? This is used with stealth knife zealot

[steel flame]

Cavalcade to Pinning Fire and Sprint Efficiency to Maniac

Then you gucci

[azure cove]

I only took it specifically for this knife cause I am running double bleed and the crits and bleed kill everything not an Ogryn enemy. I still take the 20% talent

[distant musk]

It's a nice boost to boss damage, and if you are going for the fire grenade you are required to pick it up (fortitude doesn't do anything). The +infested is also a nice little additional bonus to horde clear for a good number of weapons. Can help w/ breakpoints as well.

[azure cove]

He's talking about a perk on weapons, like flak or carapace. Not a talent js

[pure quartz]

on a Hammer? Unyielding is more preferable since you want to squeeze out as much Monstrosity damage as you can. On other weapons, it's arguable on how important Unyielding is. But generally, Flak and Maniac is served better for most weapons since those are the armor types you'll be encountering the most.

[crisp condor]

What kind of build is shredder good for? Also any Kantreal shotgun builds? I've heard it's based

[fleet prism]

what perks should i put on my knife?

[cosmic shuttle]

fleashterarerlaceraterfleashthertearlaceratelefleshtererlacerate

[opal rune]

update: #zealot-class message switch enemies within enemies without to duellist just for more damage, 2.5% toughness per second is practically useless, relic for demonstration, 60 sec cd down to 10 sec

with this crit evis build you can keep spamming chastise and keep regening toughness, +damage on your next attack, preferably heavies, have gap closers to force gunners into melee, 10s of +attack speed, and toughness damage reduction as long as you keep critting, and you will

this works for a diving playstyle which will ensure you're safe if you want to facehug or walk through hordes to cleave as much targets as possible and get chastise cdr on crit, you have toughness damage reduction on crit, you're always topped up on toughness because of the chastise spam, you are safest the more enemies there are, if it's all ranged units tho you'll actually have to turn on your brain for a second and rub our collective two braincells shared by all zealots

optimally, 3 toughness curios, replace one with a wound curio if you want
combat ability regen, sniper dr, and gunner dr perks
i bring hp and wounds curios just because

this is molotov damage #zealot-class message
fast ways to kill ogryn units using evis #zealot-class message using chastise on rev attacks will actually not use the chastise crit so you can use it on the next attack, or just pull out your gun
sample run, this is what the build is made for, agro as much enemies as you can, you survive harder the more enemies you can hit with every swing https://youtu.be/IbF9u1TswwM?feature=shared&t=357
this is the evis if you don't want to watch the video, flak and maniac covers all of the armored enemies except bosses which are unyielding https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1005697685250129983/1162119965902655558/image.png?

[opal rune]

heavy -> light #zealot-class message and rev heavy #zealot-class message swing pattern have the same raw dps on this build, but heavy light will provide more cdr for chastise
don't ever use light spam, not only is this build designed to face hug hordes and catch as many enemies as possible per swing and there's two overheads, you will also not have cleave so the horizontal lights would be stopped after cleaving through 3 enemies #zealot-class message

[cosmic shuttle]

aweome build, counterpoint: chorus exists

[opal rune]

aoe knockback and nothing else

[opal rune]

counterpoint
you can make your zealot never shut the fuck up and force your allies hear you spamming chastise nonstop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7t7ibB0WTY

[cosmic shuttle]

sold

[vernal wing]

same vibe as handmaiden elf

"By the weave" "RAPTURE!"

[tired radish]

This looks mega fun

[steel flame]

"Isha!"

[distant musk]

Something to note is the cleaving lights have ~7 cleave by default, but their damage falloff hits 0 after the 3rd or 4th enemy.

[opal rune]

does it still proc the cdr then?

[distant musk]

I haven't tested.

[worn totem]

So I don't see the main stats on the 3 curios?
I checked on Firefox and Edge just to be sure it wasn't me or my browser.

[devout canyon]

what is chorus duration

[fleet prism]

is this good enought for level 5 missions?

[cosmic shuttle]

if you think yourself good enough to play knife, yes

[fleet prism]

Ok

So it’s just a skill issue

[cosmic shuttle]

basically

[hoary hull]

I dont like lacerate. go for the bleed on crit with flesh tearer

[elder wedge]

FUCK

Guys I'm old

Today is my birthday

[pure quartz]

happy birthday!

[elder wedge]

Oh shit why did I put that in here lol

Thank you though

[steel flame]

Idunno but if you want a good birthday build, you might find one in here

[lapis tree]

happy birthday

[elder wedge]

Thank you thank you. I feel dumb for saying it here, lol

[azure cove]

Flechette|Scattershot is fun for bleed zealot. Otherwise people usually go for like No Respite and something else I forgot. I use both versions

[sour lantern]

is this salvageable ?

[crisp condor]

Yeah. It'll be suboptimal for sure but it shouldn't be too bad. I think some people opt for Bloodletter, but most would probably tell you to swap it to shred for Criterator.

It would help to know what type of build you're running it on.

[sour lantern]

crit zealot build I guess

spamming CTW

[steel flame]

It's not like you can't get some mileage off of Weakspot Damage or Block Efficiency tbf

If you do change Bloodletter to Shred and at least one of those Perks to Flak probably

[cosmic shuttle]

high cleave high damage this is as good as it gets imo

im still running some rubbish 320 power eviscerator because rng is not on my side lol

you can either replace sweep or bloodletter depending on how you play

maybe block efficiency for flak damag eor something like that

eviscerator actually hits weakspots pretty well now

[solar vector]

So right now im more or less running a left side crit tigrus but im thinking of either optimizing that for when i start running damnation or trying to run chorus, but im kinda indecisive on my talent choices cause i want basically everything
By the emperor I swear I just want it all

[cosmic shuttle]

chorus is kinda just the thing imo

or maybe im just still tired of using ctw

[solar vector]

I always keep trying to fit Thy Wrath be Swift cause I think its permanent uninterruptible? unless I understood it wrong

[cosmic shuttle]

maybe™️

[solar vector]

currently im basically
full left, but i go for Enduring Faith, Thy Wrath be Swift, and Shield of contempt.

And if I say, go book and martyrdom I end up with something functional but for some reason I feel like somethings missing and idk why

but say, if i go book and blazing piety, then i just feel like I really want Enduring faith but just cant get there

[cosmic shuttle]

run book and fury

martyr is honestly, to me, a meme build for low tier missions where you can get the full benefit

otherwise it's better to just not get hit

[solar vector]

yeah thats a good point

[cosmic shuttle]

maybe if that talent where taking melee damage knocks back the attacker wouldve been in the martyr tree

but since there's literally no benefit to taking damage other than like a 20(?)% increase at best, lol

[solar vector]

I basically end up with this +1 point

[cosmic shuttle]

oh and also until death is required for martyr to not explode instantly

[cosmic shuttle]

run damage boost on chorus like a boss

[solar vector]

D:

Mostly thinking where would I put that last point

[cosmic shuttle]

also instead of speccing into the right tree for second wind or whatever the perk is called i'd suggest running the bottom talents

i forgot what theyre called lol

faster swing speed and more damage

not really worth regenning toughness on dodge when you can just kill everything

[solar vector]

its the "enemy melee cant stun you" one

[cosmic shuttle]

eh that's fine ig

i need to memorise the entire skill tree like a boss

put the last point into the bottom middle skill for fast swinging

[solar vector]

also thinking of running this instead of the 7.5% toughness on heavy kill

[cosmic shuttle]

eh?

like just don't take health damage

[solar vector]

true

chorus and stuff so lots of toughness

[cosmic shuttle]

i'm p. sure that if you are at full toughness, the first melee attack you take doesn't actually do any health damage

[cosmic shuttle]

chorus also puts the entire game on pause

which is why i say do damage instead of resistance to help your teammates slay out

[solar vector]

ay gotta be absolutely full on toughness for that

[cosmic shuttle]

if you pop chorus and still take enough damage to chew through the 100 bonus and need that damage resistance its a lost caus eanyway lol

[solar vector]

Now just to think between the permanent anti stun vs sustained assault for more damage

[cosmic shuttle]

what weapons are you using?

[solar vector]

the heavy chainsword Tigrus and an agripinaa shottie

(I just like chainswords)

[cosmic shuttle]

oh well if you're running criterator you are throwing if you're not using scourge

top right tree

bleed is really strong now

(i am not biased i swear)

[solar vector]

not saying i dont trust but hmmm

It does make sense as long as the bleed does actual damage as well

[cosmic shuttle]

i think someone already posted a funny ctw spam build

works good

[solar vector]

ctw?

[cosmic shuttle]

the charge abiity

[solar vector]

ah chastise

[cosmic shuttle]

yea

that also relies on bleed stacks or whatever

and crits

[solar vector]

there is the bleeds on special blessing

i imagine the build in general will keep me still good for clearing hordes while making me better at clearing tougher stuff

[cosmic shuttle]

yeah that one's fine

[solar vector]

or what blessings would you recommend on it

Right now I have wrath and Momentum from the get go

er

Savage sweep not wrath

[cosmic shuttle]

flesh tearer lacerate

sorry i mean like rampage or something

[solar vector]

oh i think i see the build here from a few days ago. Shred makes sense actually

[cosmic shuttle]

shred is... good yes

[solar vector]

flesh tearer lacerate not on the tigrus

oh wait

rampage and something

yeah that would make sense too

hmm, thanks

appreciate the insights

[cosmic shuttle]

fleshtearerlaceratefleshterarelaftcerate

[cosmic shuttle]

rampage shred prolly

[heavy ibex]

this is the build i am currently running, the weapons are just placeholders, but i have been enjoying having unlimited toughness regen for the whole team

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a588115-7821-473d-92c0-608dd0efae66/test-support-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

im still trying to change and tweak it, but i am enjoying it

[neon fog]

Chanter

[urban cobalt]

Good melk hammer?

[distant musk]

It'll be a 4/5. I'd recommend S&A to Slaughterer/Headtaker and +Infested to +Maniac. Could also go for T4 Thrust and Slaughterer/Headtaker but it's up to you.

[urban cobalt]

Good boltgun?

[azure cove]

i would hold out if it's from melk and you don't have lot of currency

[fathom bane]

What would anyone recommend Talent Tree wise for a build revolving around these 2 weapons

If you could please recommend something with chorus over chastise, I dont personally enjoy chastise and generally just refuse to run it

[midnight nexus]

any recommendations? im thinking it may be worth dropping something to pick up Righteous Warrior (+10% Crit from Blazing Piety)
Running HS MK9

[small rain]

lacking armor pen

[dense heron]

Anyone have a Thammer stealth build

[wooden nacelle]

what is the dump stat for knife?

[urban cobalt]

I upgraded it myself

Got it from Brunt's armory

Specifically needed it to deal with carapace

[lofty sphinx]

out of damage/mobility/stability/ammo/stopping power which stats matter less if they are low?

[urban cobalt]

Mobility (or defense) is the least important stat

[steel flame]

Stability debatable

[urban cobalt]

I'd say order of importance is damage>stopping power>ammo>stability>mobility

[lament juniper]

High stopping power kills armoured better, so it is definitely pretty good

The optimal gun is probably 80 in all with 60 in mobility

[lofty sphinx]

thanks

[spiral vessel]

is there a best chorus/ support build i should be following? not sure if my current is missing anything

[midnight fulcrum]

imo the best protection for your allies is stuff being dead. so, I'd just say get the most obvious supportive items which have the biggest impact then go after things which increase your own dmg.

stun grenade, benediction, and chorus. The idea being stun grenade, benediction, and chorus give you all the stuff you need to support the team indirectly. After that its pretty much go down say blazing piety to abuse crits for more chorus spam from crits reducing cooldown. possibly picking up pious cutthroat for 20% on backstab, but I find that really hard to set-up reliably.

I just go down martyrdom after chorus with a knife build (bleed blessing) and put in 8 points to pick-up "invocation of death" and "enduring faith".

[spiral vessel]

thanks, thats pretty much what i have, stun nade, benediction, chorus w ecclesiarch's call, fury w the extra crit, and shield of contempt, the spare 4 points were originally in backstabber/scourge/enduring faith but i might move them to sustained assault/ pious cutthroat

[spiral vessel]

which one is enduring faith again?

[midnight fulcrum]

Its down the scourge line by 2 more points. Crits = 50% dmg red

It just leans into the crit idea a lil bit for more self-sustain. If you can't go down, then you are actually able to help others up.

[vapid dust]

Anyone got a good chainsword build?

[urban cobalt]

Best hammer blessings?

[azure cove]

Thrust, and I still think Slaughterer

[solemn beacon]

Are there any good builds with Combat Blade that don´t involve stealth?

[midnight fulcrum]

Literally every ending tree pairs well with knife in some regard. Its best mobility for momentum. Matyr stacks literally give it a ton more atk spd/power. The peity combos well with a few perks liked cooldown reduction and 50% tough red

[crisp condor]

whats the best chaxe build

donjt see any dedicated when I search

[tired radish]

Everyone in the discord seems to outrageously hate the weapon, but I reccomend following the one mentioned in this vedio

https://youtu.be/tGO9gnVujao?si=u1J5Lv1qlkhSBFUY

[worn totem]

I tortured asked Lazzor for his hammer build and this is what he gave me. Posting here for others to see.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a613cf3-7010-4616-8397-53f2a61093d1/lazorrs-hammer-build

[feral tide]

So, as i've been sent here - I've been running Eviscerator + Boltgun and it's been . . . Uninspiring for me. I've come in for the glorious
"Murder Everything squishy I can reach with my massive Badass Sword, And Anything tanky I shall Explode with my Super limited but Extremely Powerful Boltgun."
You know. To snipe Snipers, to bust carapace and unload wantonly into any boss i'll find - getting a rewarding feeling of joy whenever i see the boss's health drop by a bunch for every full-auto shot i manage to land.

But.

I can't? I have quite literally died on damnation to just a swarm of homeless people, without any additional dangers to my being. Despite Revving, Despite building different talent sets. Despite Religiously Sticking to "H1->L" on Repeat, I find myself simply. Dying. Somehow, Ogryn seems to do far better with Rushing into the gunner line, and then coming out unscathed just because his melee weapons give him the brutal advantage of "+15% toughness when hit 3 or more enemies with one swing". Genuinely feeling immortal then.

With Zealot, Even putting MORE effort, i end up failing the team on the simplest tasks on the higher difficulties. and on lower - well. A boltgun is an overkill for anything but a bulwark, and just not enough against any boss.

So. I must be making some sort of mistake with my talents? or Build? or Curios? I prioritise enemies, and i have no lack of skill in dodging any disruptors nor melees. but there's only so many hits you can dodge in a swarm. And the Cleaves don't have a 270 degree coverage.

Please help?

Should i post my current build somehow?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a6229da-595d-4083-953e-e910a34b244b/borwins

[sour lantern]

bruh

the purple nodes are really good

the left sided one is amazing on evisc

as for your curios, yeah they kinda suc, stamina regen is useless mostly, chance of curio as mission reward too. You need revive speed / sniper dmg / flamer dmg / toughness regen or something like that, keep the 5% of health/toughness tho

[somber vale]

crit chance on bolter does basically nothing for you at the moment

you need gunner resist on all your curios

[feral tide]

well, I need high base blessing curios first ;-;

[somber vale]

toughness regen speed not good for zealot playstyle

[sour lantern]

Imma let the boss speak

[feral tide]

Those are the best i've got, and I already changed perks for what i've got - aka, the toughness and health, in most cases. Toughness regen in the other.

Okay, so Toughness is a nono on Zealot?

I go hard health?

[sour lantern]

toughness regen is a no-no

[somber vale]

toughness regen speed is only coherency regen

toughness is very good

[sour lantern]

curios is 2 toughness - 1 health most of the time

[somber vale]

also no keystone?

[feral tide]

I was trying to get as much toughness regaining as possible off of killing things

[sour lantern]

momentum or blazing piety are fucking good you really need them

[feral tide]

since i've noticed hobos literally hitting my health every time i get into melee with them. Aka. They must break through it as i don't regain it fast enough

[sour lantern]

don't take it wrong but maybe you aren't dodging correctly

[somber vale]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a613cf3-7010-4616-8397-53f2a61093d1 look at my build, this is basically what I would call the "best" standard zealot build in terms of talents without gimmicks

[sour lantern]

with thammer (a slow moving weapon that doesn't kill many enemies) I get hit once or twice in auric difficulty on a horde

[feral tide]

Actually, now that it came up - how fast does momentum get stacked?

[sour lantern]

pretty fucking fast

[somber vale]

fairly quickly

[sour lantern]

you have a node that gives 3 stacks of momentum for every successful dodge

[feral tide]

true

[sour lantern]

but fighting hordes without getting hit isn't just about your weapon (although evisc got a big reach you should see their attacks coming with enough time to dodge it). You need to find suitable ground to fight off a horde

if you rush in and get surrounded yeah you're dead

[feral tide]

Should I switch off of the bolter?

Is it like. . . Lost cause?

[sour lantern]

the bolter got nerfed but it's still fun

I would go flammer tho

or shotty

[feral tide]

I do have another, higher base-rating bolter i was putting off upgrading.

[somber vale]

bolter right now is undertuned and ammo inefficient and probably not great for a less experienced player

[sour lantern]

revolver does the trick against long-range elites

[feral tide]

I just enjoyed the ability to not rely on my allies to deal with the trappers and snipers with just a bit of aim

[sour lantern]

but you have 5 bullets and if you're already fighting a horde it's pretty hard to switch and aim

[feral tide]

And the fact that i got to unload 15 shots of "Bang" into any big thing that i couldn't cut through seemed fairly satisfying

I guess i'm going hammer + Flamer (Whenever I get a flamer above 330 base rating in the shop. . .)

I guess I could fish for a gray flamer

[somber vale]

unfortunately bolter is quite inefficient versus carapace right now

and monstrosities

[feral tide]

Especially monstrosities

It was a completely different world when i switched to Gunlugger ogryn and just. Soloed every monstrosity and demonhost i came across.

[somber vale]

gunlugger is gonna be nerfed

ogryn in general is gonna be nerfed most likely

I've gotta go

[feral tide]

Shame. It felt right to me - though I found that i needed to dodge and play around my enemies far less. One blessing on the melee literally made me unkillable in a swarm

[somber vale]

for now

[feral tide]

Well, See you later.

I'll fish for a flamer and try one of the hamers i bought way back

[sour lantern]

that's

a good hammer

switch sprint to unyielding and thunderstrike to IV Thrust and it's pretty fucking good

with these perks and blessing you can 4-shot a monster if you hit it right with the thammer special activated

[feral tide]

I'll have to check if i've got a IV thrust blessing sitting around

And Unyielding as in, Unyielding damage, right?

[sour lantern]

yeah

to bonk the monsters

with the right build you can even one-shot monsters

but it's a bit tricky to use

[feral tide]

Now i just need to gather mats for the Flamer i bought, and i need to figure out how to use this hammer correclty

though the rolls on the flamer looked kind of bad

[sour lantern]

can't say for the flamer as I know shit about it but mine is not min-maxed and still deletes hordes and elites alike

for the crucis hammer the combo is simple : heavy-heavy-dodge

[feral tide]

<470 rating on purple with 362 base rating

Alright, i'll try my best.

[sour lantern]

you have to do wide sweeps with your mouse to get as many enemies as possible

and you need to double tap a lot with these sweeps so enemies on the ground end up really dead otherwise you're just throwing them out of your sight and they'll get back up

[feral tide]

ye ye

I'll do a run or two and come back here

[sour lantern]

good luck out there reject

[feral tide]

Well, after first loss on Heresy I've found that i have no idea how to use the flamer correctly

[somber vale]

I know you said you weren't sure if a video would be helpful, but just in case here is some older gameplay, same general mechanics etc but on old patch, this is effectively the same version of zealot as the build I posted https://youtu.be/Ofrg8az_g_k?si=0q5y9SD_G-vEFAPv

flamer is not for sitting back with magdumping with outside of certain scenarios

5-10 flamer ammo will clear hordes

you should use fury with flamer both for movement and for killing crusher packs

fury downgrades enemy armor from carapace to flak, and flak to unarmored for approximately 3 seconds

so for crushers, you build burn stacks first and then use fury, then the burn will tick them for flak damage instead of carapace

(carapace perk still counts as it should in this case)

you want a flamer like this

feel free to swap elites to carapace or unyielding

also keep in mind a good flamer has 23m range which is quite large

and the primary single fire is quite effective at staggering human sized enemies

[feral tide]

Hmm. So, Don't mag-dump swarms, just blast them for a bit and then charge. Especially with armored enemies

It did go far better second time. Realized you have to let the Thammer special charge for best damage

Though another zealot still managed to double my damage while running a hammer + flamer

I guess i don't really understand the burn mechanic?

[somber vale]

it stacks over time and each stack does a percentage damage increase, and the burn falls off over time

and more flame or a puff will reset the stack decay and add stacks

up to a max of 15 stacks

so crushers you want to get near 15 stacks and press F

and if you ever run out of ammo on a flamer you are using it wrong

[feral tide]

So, if i puff someone, they get set on fire. And over the time they burn, the stacks increase, but the burn timer runs down, until they get another puff of fire?

Hm. I don't really feel the flamer, i won't lie

[broken lion]

the problem i have with hammer flamer is that I just get shot at and have to smile and wave

[feral tide]

The hammer actually feels kinda good, but i dislike long swings

[sour lantern]

you can't be face hugging the horde for the hammer to be effective, you have to stay at max range, swing, swing, retreat or side-step, swing again and so on

the quick attack bonk can help you kill those lil enemies a bit faster when there's less of them

[feral tide]

I'm not saying i don't like the hammer. It feels good. But i lose a bit of my enthusiasm on how slow throwing out the swings feels. When I inevitably panic, and instead of Shoving I try to make an attack, I end up throwing out a quick swing instead, or i get anxiety waiting for heavy. And I Still can't tell if the Difference for max-charge swing is worth in the middle of a swarm, or if it's just a thing for big enemies and when you've got time closing the distance

[sour lantern]

max-charge swing isn't that useful in swarms I would say but I really can't besure

I like to do it cause I feel like it clips more enemies

but to do these swing I have to take a step back and it takes a lil bit longer

[azure cove]

If you have Thrust, then yes there is a difference, but it's not usually worth it during a horde since your other blessing kicks in here. It's ok to start off or if you're with a teammate youd have room for 3 stack thrust, but regular heavy is solid horde dps

[somber vale]

its worth it if there are multiple ragers and maulers sometimes

for the cleave and stagger

[feral tide]

just doesn't work for me :/

[somber vale]

are you using a controller

[feral tide]

nope. mouse and keyboard

I guess i just suck?

[somber vale]

it takes practice

don't expect to jump into damnation and not have issues, took most to us through December to get comfortable

[devout canyon]

is this copy pasta

[feral tide]

No, I wrote it myself??

[feral tide]

I don't expect it to be easy. Ogryn damnation isn't a walk in the park exactly either. Nor is that the case for veteran. But unlike zealot, I can at least understand what I do wrong, or what I can do better. With zealot, it feels cumbersome and slow to play, and unrewarding to do something the class is at least implied to do well??

[devout canyon]

“Zealot cumbersome and slow” …What?

If you feel that way it’s definitely a matter of your loadout

[feral tide]

If I were to think of the 4 classes, in broad strokes, to be separate quite clearly into vet the ranged glass Cannon, blasting away anything as long as he has ammo and has space, psyker, the ammo-less specialist buster - not really there for dps, but for the burst to drop big tanky enemies. Something with overwhelming damage, but a lot of time to get to that burst. Headburst you could say. The Ogryn's the party player, keeping things from overwhelming the party and taking most of the fire. And Zealot is the skirmisher/melee dps. They clean house handily, but get heavily troubled by disruptors. So, someone who'd gladly rush into the gunners and maulers without a second thought because as long as they keep swinging they aren't going down, but the moment a trapper or a hound get to them, they are done.

Note, it's a very big simplification. You can build all the 4 classes in ways that fill in any of the roles, in different ways. But that's the image I have of those 4 classes. And of them 4, zealots the one I imagine to be the quick and dangerous, with big payoff and big danger.

(Vet would have big payoff but having to ration ammo to balance it, and psyker having to pick their targets because of time limitations)

But as I've been experiencing it, the zealot runs fast, but is slow in combat.

I've felt more rewarded swinging a revv weapon with veteran than zealot, and ogryn ended up being the one more rewarding for running into walls of enemies and manhandling them around.

And yet I've put the most time into zealot trying to make it work

So far as to go and ask for help here.

I don't exactly know what I want to say, but that I'm sorry that I wasted your time trying to help me, but Im either very bad at the game, or zealot just doesn't have it in it.

[devout canyon]

[feral tide]

I can grin like a dumbass when I see a wall of enemies as an ogryn and I only see a wall of targets, and I can feel good and tryhardy for sniping enemies with a boltgun on vet, dropping threats for my team. Hell, getting that power fantasy of either collapsing a swarm of maniacs so my team has the time to deal with them as psyker is another flavor of both. But as zealot, I'm slugging through combat and I dash and slide and run and try to keep out of gunner fire, and I can't even feel much satisfaction from getting to heavy swing through dregs.

I want to get the class, because I like the idea of what I expect and see the class to be an indication of - not a guardsman holding a line methodically killing enemies. Not s deranged psyker on a warp power trip, not a Big Meathead who cumbersomely wades his way through swarms to keep his team alive, but a Sadistic, bloodthirsty zealot (title drop?) Who goes into the fight so deep and so blindly that the only thing that makes sense in their subsequent survival is that faith of theirs, and their desire to deliver brutal judgement against anything that'd dare to think they wouldn't.

I like the perk for not dying at 0 health, instead getting a grace period and recovering health. That fits it a lot. Id love it to feel like that more.

I'd like to be rewarded for that playstyle more. I get rewarded for playing according to the class personality for three out of four classes, I'd like to feel the same for zealot. But. . . It just isn't?

[devout canyon]

ok I just read you say something about “once a hound or trapper gets to zealot, they’re done”

so it’s a skill issue

Lrn2dodge

[feral tide]

Well, I'd like to correct you in the fact that I didn't say it's a problem of skill. What you referenced was me, describing what I imagine to be zealots.

Tl:Dr - zealot murder everything as long as they keep attacking and don't let themselves get pinned by disruptors like hound or trapper.

In Simple ogryn terms for your unable-to-read eyes.

Zealot mood is go chainsaw massacre and always go in if you can.

Zealot actual is not that.

Other class get reward for playing how class is shown.

Zealot don't.

I'd really like for zealot to be rewarded for play like you are a zealot who seems to get out of fight solely by the power of a deity.

Currently zealot not feel that way.

I think zealot getting faster weapon switch and larger rewards for going into many enemy by swinging, like maybe damage resistance and higher damage and more frequent "no die at 0 HP" would make zealot feel more zealot.

[devout canyon]

looks like your mind is made up and there’s no reasoning with you

[feral tide]

Of course everyone is going to lose if they get hit by a trapper or a hound. You're a whiney baby if you think otherwise.

Now, seeing your somewhat toxic approach, unlike many people here I respect for their attempts at helping me and cordial approach, I'll choose to ignore you from now on.

[gritty yew]

zealot has no role

[feral tide]

I will note I forced my way through a couple auric missions as zealot. I didn't enjoy it close as much as, if at all, as I did doing the same with ogryn and veteran - and I didn't do it with psyker because I don't like playing psyker, even if I see the fun In it.

Still, I might be just bad. But. Well. Zealot run fast. But fight slow.

[lament juniper]

Zealot has the "Oneshot literally any single enemy" role

[midnight fulcrum]

Zealot is the you all screwed up time to clutch role

[worn totem]

you're using it 😄

[lament juniper]

Zealots role is very variable

From blender to clutcher to a delete button

[grand flare]

i like to think i got lucky with the rolls on this one. Any recommendations on what last change I can make? Was thinking of changing the thunderous blessing to slaughterer

[distant musk]

Hmmm, I wouldn't really use that personally. However why not experiment? Thunderous got affected by the Rending change, so try it out, form an opinion on it. Swap that Crit Chance to +Unyielding. Alternatively you can conform to the standard meta and yes, swap Thunderous to Slaughterer. Up to you.

[grand flare]

What about would be the reason you wouldn't use it personally? I always thought defences was the dump stat on the crucis thunder hammer.

[urban cobalt]

What are the best hammer blessings?

[grand flare]

i think the meta blessings are Thrust and Slaughterer

[cursive bridge]

I got this one today Any tips for rerolling and which build?

[sturdy rose]

anyone have an example of how you would build a support/crit zealot with relic for auric damnation without throwing knives?

[gritty yew]

the non throwing knife ones are kinda shit ngl

but just go for stun grenades and proceed as normal

you can still get crit bleed for 2 talents

[lone plume]

what range weapon do ppl go? All of them feel so ass

[surreal crystal]

Revolver

https://tenor.com/view/doggo-big-iron-gif-19017452

[opal rune]

brauto feels nice

[devout canyon]

I run relic and piety with the talent that reduces ability cd when taking damage. Standard flamer and evis, but sometimes like to run the mk4 when feeling spammy.

[lone plume]

which one?

colombus?

[opal rune]

agri

[reef pagoda]

i love it

[green onyx]

Hey squad, any builds for claw mk4s? Open to any ranged as well, just wanna be useful to the team, not fall to heavy armor, and be quick/critty

[reef nexus]

It working for you? Haven't looked at it since I posted it

[hard glen]

I swap the ranged wep to flamer at times to deal with monstros or annoying hordes easier. Or just revolver to slam headshots into crusher that pack up too much to make Rev + Ult clearing risky

Seems to work pretty well, but... anything I've missed ?

[hot void]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a56beda-6778-42d5-bffe-7a88662ac870/gold-standard-support-zealot

I use this. I swap between Claw 4 and claw 1 a lot, I can't decide which I like more

I also swap out duelist for this depending on weapon.

Or swap out duelist & benediction for the corruption heal aura if someone else is already running benediction

Alternatively you can run this if you don't want to use throwing knifes, but then you def can't take anoint or corruption heal aura

[reef pagoda]

Its pretty ok. Switched to mk2

[reef pagoda]

GRAAHHH

I need thunderhammer

Build

I like yours but idk if there are better ones

[distant musk]

Sorry for the late reply but here's what I use for my Crucis Thammer build. Very safe for you and the team around you. #zealot-class message.

[somber vale]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a613cf3-7010-4616-8397-53f2a61093d1

[reef pagoda]

ty

[somber vale]

I swap some minor nodes sometimes depending on mission and what not

[reef pagoda]

i like to use the mkIV

does it amtter what i choose?

[somber vale]

you can use the ironhelm with that build

I would definitely take purge the unclean in that case

and I'd probably run flak unyielding on an ironhelm and give up on 1 shotting crushers without F

also 2 toughness 1 HP is fine instead of 3 toughness

[reef pagoda]

ty

[reef pagoda]

idk wht that is tho qwq

[somber vale]

ironhelm is the hammer that's not crucis

[reef pagoda]

ohhhh

tyyyyy

(yes i am new

[reef pagoda]

may i ask what the diffrence between the thunder hammers is

[obtuse mango]

more cleave on ironhelm but lower overall damage by about 30%

third heavy is a vertical strikedown

versus the crucis's comparatively lower default cleave (before blessings) but higher overall damage in lights and heavies

and a horizontal windwiper heavy moveset

Most thammer players prefer the Crucis but patch 13 has made ironhelm viable

It's not amazing, but it's good enough for Auric

if you asked me tho, ironhelm blows, crucis all the way baby

[distant musk]

With base attacks this is not true. Crucis and Ironhelm sport identical damage and cleave profiles for the base attacks that are similar. Ironhelm sports a cleaving L1 and a strikedown H3, which have a unique damage profile. H1 > H2 is identical between the two Thammers for example.

[obtuse mango]

explain like I'm 5

[distant musk]

The cleave and damage is identical between the two thammer's attacks. Ironhelm just has 2 extra unique moves that the Crucis doesn't, everything else is the same damage/cleave.

[obtuse mango]

okay that helps thanks

wait but doesn't crucis just do more damage

like in general

[distant musk]

No.

Only for the special attack.

[obtuse mango]

I refuse to believe that, why are the numbers different then

crucis is 200-300 for light/heavy

ironhelm is 150ish range

or are the numbers not representative of anything

then what's the point

I'm not ingame atm bcs Uni but I'll go compare when I get home

stop typing so much man I'm getting scared

[distant musk]

That's because the damage values listed on the main weapon page show the damage of the first attack in the light/heavy chain. It's showing Ironhelm's L1 which is a sweep and has lower damage, and Crucis' L1 which is a strikedown and has more damage. Heavies are the same.

[reef pagoda]

so mk 2

[distant musk]

The Crucis has a simple combo that you can easily swap between on the fly, heavies for cleave and lights for bonks. Ironhelm has a mixed combo that pairs nicely with a mix of lights and heavies to match the scenario. The damage for the base attacks is the same. Crucis has no cleave high damage special attacks, and the Ironhelm has high cleave medium damage special attacks. Both are good, truly up to preference.

[obtuse mango]

Yes, I vote for the mk 2 crucis

[reef pagoda]

ok so mk 2 hits more enemys

[distant musk]

The Ironhelm will hit more enemies with the special attack technically, but it will stop on the first elite/special in the swing iirc. It just allows you to hit elites and specials through a horde. In a plain horde the special attack will do solid damage, but isn't really super safe due to it being slow.

Also against flak enemies such as bruisers and scab stalkers, the special attack will do 0 damage past the first enemy hit. It's a bug rn.

[reef pagoda]

OHHH

ty

that makes a lot more sense now

(i got hyped and imideiatly made it gold cause YIPEEE)

worth

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1024009817846710434.gif?size=48&name=yesgryn&quality=lossless

[urban cobalt]

Alright guys Trying to build a Support build for my preacher.

3 things im trying to do with this guy

Super Mobile
Ult up as much as possible
As survivable as is possible

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a66269d-d917-43fc-868e-2b0609ab6d67

How can Improve on this ?

[somber vale]

crit is better for cooldown reduction if you want more relic spam

if you want to use judgement, then you should take backstab damage at the top and the backstab CDR

[urban cobalt]

What is a backstab hit ? Is it literally just hitting them in the back or do you ahve to do it from stealth ?

[somber vale]

hitting them in the back, backstab CDR doesn't currently work without backstab damage atm

[urban cobalt]

alright

[broken lion]

what actually are the pre reqs to one shotting crushers without F?

[somber vale]

crucis with buffs up, max thrust headshot

[broken lion]

yea mine doesn't do it in psykarnium but haven't tested with slaughterer stacked first

[urban cobalt]

I dont seem to be doing any extra damage when hitting people in the back in the meat grinder and I cant get the backstab CDR to proc. I do have backstabber to

[somber vale]

It definitely works, I get the extra damage and the ability to proc all the time

[somber vale]

with carapace and just thrust it's about 2100 damage to the head

so, calculate from there

[broken lion]

yea 2122 was what i was hitting or something

[somber vale]

20% melee damage from the tree making it 2500

and then add slaughterer or headtaker to that, and potentially the disdain buff

will do 3000

[urban cobalt]

Couldnt get it to work with my heavy sword . Reshad did it though

[broken lion]

yea could get it 1 shot to the back of the head with stacks of sustained assault

and to the front with slaughterer

[reef pagoda]

this good?

yay on nay

[copper flax]

I have been blessed with this most righteous hammer and need to test it out. What talents would you all recommend for a shroud build?

[cosmic shuttle]

people are running shroud with hammer? lol

[cosmic shuttle]

WHAT

[sturdy rose]

isn't corruption heal aura really bad?

[vernal wing]

I tend to run it for randoms bc they dont have grim res on their curios

[hot void]

It's still better than no aura because someone else is already running benediction (since it doesn't stack)

[neon jetty]

how do you guys feel about this for thunder hammer stealth 1 shot build

using martydome + wounds with it

feels pretty good, powerful but lacks toughness

but all the dmg reduction is nice, feels good with a br auto or pistol both felt decent

[green onyx]

Sorry to hijack, but which is better in a crit dodge frontline build?

[urban cobalt]

Dmg reduction

Always gonna be better than inconsistent toughness regen

[green onyx]

ty

[hot void]

Ideally both

[azure cove]

First pass, but it does well. Horde clear is just heavy, push attack on repeat. I used agripinaa brauto, but you could do revolver w/ rending to help with carapace

[hot void]

Taxe is rn one of the weakest weapons in the game for sure. I would also opt for a vraks 3 because monstrosity damage, and chastise + 2 headshot bursts kills crushers

You're also not running holy rev, or SoC (the best talent in the game) which is kinda sus

Also this instead of toughness on heavy attack, by a loong shot

you'll do better with this

or this

[humble hound]

Currently my build is the icon, bolter, and chainsword, with martyrdom and that until death thing that makes you invincible for a bit

[green onyx]

How do I make my vraks do more damage? I have to go through an entire mag on a crusher with just headshots and dodging to take one down

[neon jetty]

any thoughts? sorry to prod lol, is it overkill with stealth + martydome?
sometimes the stealth cooldown seems too long, but thats changing with patch 14 anyway.

Can we no longer 1 shot DH on damnation with the coming nerf btw?

[green gale]

Are there any recommended builds I can see that are built around the eviscerator?

[vocal dust]

i dont feel this build without any fast skill regen, + without surivive trait until death you will be many times on ground with 1hp

but i onther hand i totally dont know how to play stealth so im just another discord expert xD

[neon jetty]

gets pretty tanky with the martydome and wound buff stuff as you get <50% hp tho

[neon jetty]

edit: maybe i need to try to fit backstab kill or crit reduction in there

not sure you can tho

[neon jetty]

what about this? this is close to what i run with knife, but slightly modified to grab a few things for hammer (10% attack speed, etc)
think this is better for a hammer stealth build, dropping martydome

[neon fog]

Loner bm combat axe build for solo carrying because pubs teammate do sussy stuff and you're better off alone.

[vocal dust]

I saw a very similar build for an assassin somewhere and it seems to work ok, but I don't know about the speed for the hammer, it never convinces meof its clunky animation and strange pause after a light blow up head, but maybe but maybe something has changed, I haven't played with a hammer for a long time 😬

[gritty yew]

this is so selfish in war

[neon fog]

[near stream]

Eviserator yah or na?

[vocal dust]

I wouldn't call Evi S tier, but definitely still doing job

[near stream]

that's good to hear

i'm trying to get good with that weapon

manily because i like it's attack pattern

but i guess what i'm having a hard time doing is killing elites

[vocal dust]

I use Evi often (Auric Damation), but its little brother has several advantages

[near stream]

how so?

[vocal dust]

just use shredder

[near stream]

right

[azure cove]

i like this, but i took off Until Death for Purge the Unclean to use with a taxe headhunter|brutal momentum

[neon fog]

That's fair. I would strongly suggest you play combat axe however it does so much more damage and has the same dodge count as tac axe anyway.

With much better elite, specials and monsters damage.

[azure cove]

no, that's why i use it lol 'cause it's bad and nobody else is using it

atrox mk7

[neon fog]

[crisp condor]

@vocal dust I stand by the Shredder Auto recommendation. It's got great reload speed so it's very efficient at wiping out those gunner elites very quickly in packs. The one I'm running RN has Powder Burn and Pinning Fire, but Ive heard Blaze Away and Pinning Fire are BiS

I run Chaxe on this build for the mad Carapace DMG and horde control with PBA into Heavy Spam

[vocal dust]

I haven't used this weapon for a long time, probably since playtests 😬 somehow I stuck firmly at the flamethrower and revolver

[crisp condor]

I hadn't either, but a 380 profane popped up in my shop and raised it up. Now it's one of my favorites.

And the flashlight Quality of Life is Goat

[waxen oar]

anyone can link a basic knife zoomer for farming plasteel?

[lone plume]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a6bd14e-df91-4b5e-835b-92aa1390ab50

Can go crit for keystone and cdr, but momentum sonic is the dream

[broken lion]

when you guys run blazing piety with mark 9 heavy sword do you go down the right tree for enduring faith over anoint in blood + purge the unclean or no

or maybe i just run lazors hammer tree for heavy sword too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1061484915922849932/1165249736039747654/Darktide_vI7CQjSVkH.gif?ex=65462a62&is=6533b562&hm=98b86c2dced0d7b799e4340f0563eb9adad3fbb2fe675e6b365a4a7230835cd1&=&width=1606&height=903

[sullen heron]

d

which weapon good

[crisp condor]

@waxen oar alternatively get a Chaxe with Rev It Up 4 and farm assassinations with it. You'll be running around at mach8 getting them plasteels

Many weapons good, what do you want from your melee is the better question

[obtuse mango]

combat axes and heavysword are good all the time

[sullen heron]

which traits are good with them

[obtuse mango]

flak maniac for perks

power blessings

can't go wrong with those

[sullen heron]

I mean which perks on weapon

and which weapon with which blessings to look for

[hollow kelp]

hey guys just getting back into the game anyone got a melee horde focused build for zealot, used to run chainsword and "handcannon"

[obtuse mango]

Flak and Maniac for perks

power blessings on each of those

headtaker for heavysword

[crisp condor]

You can search the builds for mentions of Heavy Sword or Combat Axe and people will have builds all listed out.

Popular ones for Heavy Sword are Rampage, Headtaker, and Deathblow

[obtuse mango]

and brutal momentum + decapitator or headtaker

[crisp condor]

I actually also like Perfect Strike on a Crit heavy Sword. You lose damage for quality of life