AI Image Generation Thread

[cold python]

This channel is reserved for actual hand-crafted art. AI Art and discussion around it goes in this thread and future derogates. If you post AI Art outside of the thread, you get muted.

[haughty loom]

AI art bad

[round shore]

AI art fine

[haughty loom]

Bad

[round shore]

FINE

[haughty loom]

Bad

[round shore]

Actually this thing isn't gonna auto archive is it

[haughty loom]

Probably not? Who knows

[round shore]

But in all seriousness AI art is a tool

[cold python]

Not as long as it’s active. If it goes inactive, lol, lmao.

[round shore]

Right.

[cold python]

I think AI algorthitms and their productions can be interesting, but I would not call it art. If an artist uses it to enhance their own art as a mood board or inspiration, by all means. By writing a prompt into a machine and spitting out a garbled mash of stolen artwork with broke facial features and limbs and calling it a day? Lol lmao

[haughty loom]

I'm of the opinion that AI art should be used for fun (like a "haha what if we wanted a picture of X character doing Y") and not used as a way to compete against traditional artists.

[round shore]

tbh if it's "stolen artwork" with "broken facial features and limbs"

they're doing it wrong

It's getting remarkably complicated and the line between "self made" and "AI tweaked" is gonna be blurrier given some of the options

art is a misnomer definitely

Inputting stuff doesn't make someone an artist, it makes someone using that tool

but

if you follow the development there are tools where AI tweaked art is definitely going to be a thing you hear about more

ie: there is an artist input at the start, AI changes it...

[cold python]

Name me an AI algorthitm that doesn’t use a massive dataset built off non-permitted gathering of artistic works by humans

[round shore]

so even that boundary isn't going to last

[haughty loom]

So it's an editing program? Something that people could do on their own like a writer proofreading their work or an artist checking over their mistakes?

[leaden bobcat]

way I see it, AI art and AI assisted art will go similarly to how speedrunning is done

there, there's speedruns that are fully done by the player, and speedruns where the machine assists the speedrunner, aka TAS

[round shore]

I mean the AI algorithms as I understand it are opened up now so this fear of "non-permitted" really is down to user error.

[leaden bobcat]

that being said, the problem arises from the fact that, historically speaking, a lot of people have tried to pass off TAS as regular runs

[round shore]

Pmuch

shutting down copyright for AI art honestly was best for everyone

[cold python]

You have to build a dataset of some sort. Where do you get the art to build that set if not through harvesting as much work from as many popular artists as possible?

The algorthitm can’t make something from nothing.

It needs that data.

[round shore]

Yes, and you choose what you feed it

[cold python]

Good luck finding artists who are willing to let you use their art for an algorthitm then lol

[round shore]

The complaint brigade is vocal but they should get their wish

[cold python]

At least enough data points worth for said algorithm to make anything remotely recognizable

[round shore]

and be sidelined

They're not the be all and end all of possible references

[cold python]

You’re right, plenty of dead artists to steal from instead.

They can’t complain!

Ethics dilemma solved

[round shore]

are you seriously defending copyright protection of dead artists lol

Like this is the sort of silliness that means Disney has a deathgrip on IPs

[cold python]

In the case of feeding their work into an algorithm that steals their life’s work and half-assedly pushes out trash-tier shadows of the artists actual style? Yes

[round shore]

snort

I'm sorry you don't like AI art

[haughty loom]

Just learn how to draw lmao

[round shore]

But here's the joke: the genie isn't going back in the bottle no matter how much some vocal people wish it didn't exist. You can absolutely want to not, personally, take part in it and that's more than fair.

[cold python]

Imagine being so bad at Art you decide to dig out all the work you can find from a dead artist you like so you can shove it into a machine so it can spit out a broken shell of what that artist stood for. Again, because you’re so persistent on never learning and growing your own style.

[round shore]

Funny, because AI art is a tool used by artists too

they're just not part of a bandwagon cult

[leaden bobcat]

this is why I'm skeptical of AI art. in art, every stroke of the brush matters and conveys a feeling
what can you convey from art that is randomly put together by an AI trying to output what it understands?

[round shore]

AI art technology will not stop existing. You have a choice between being remotely reasonable about making sure it's a tool used responsibly, or fearmongering into it eventually just being used commercially by the holders of the precious IP to actually throw artists out of a job

[haughty loom]

I think it's a tool that's fun to play around, but people are going to use it for nefarious purposes, like selling the art.

[round shore]

I mean

[north bolt]

More or less this.

[round shore]

again, everyone reasonable should want to shut down commercialization of AI art

and that honestly solves the issue if so

[north bolt]

Deviantart is literally letting AI harvest other account's arts lol

i dont really blame anyone for hating on it

[round shore]

Websites are completely bungling the implementation

and should probably butt out

[pliant sun]

Any artist watching art galleries and using them as motivation or stilistic inspiration from which then to grow their own style (which may or may not reminiscent of the artist they got inspired by) is essentially what machine learning tools do.

[haughty loom]

You can also just look up reference art

[round shore]

there's no virtue in doing things mechanically for its own sake

[north bolt]

Theres... a difference between a human and a machine doing it though.

[round shore]

Like you can but it's not some holy cause

[leaden bobcat]

there's a difference between inspiration and flagrantly ripping something off

[pliant sun]

What is a human if not a biological machine?

[north bolt]

God nevermind

[leaden bobcat]

a suit of flesh piloted by a noodle monster

[round shore]

Which becomes a problem when you commercialize- and why we should all be glad that got nuked- but let's be honest, how much of actual art is derivative in some way?

[north bolt]

Its a miserable pile of secrets

[haughty loom]

A bag of nervous tissue

[north bolt]

but yeah please do not like, bring weird philosophies into just machines copying online images. It's not that deep.

[cold python]

Lmao no. There’s no thought or rhyme or reason or inspiration in a machine algorithm. A human going through a gallery is experiencing an array of emotions and thoughts that drive them to become better. To learn from what they’re seeing and adapt. And even then, they develop their own methods and styles.

A machine scans the image, goes “this is a skinny elf lady with purple armor” and that’s that.

You cannot even remotely compare an artist looking for inspiration and references to an AI algorithm haphazardly absorbing pixels in nothing but a factual datapoint gathering mechanic. Implying that they’re similar is disingenuous, and insulting to artists.

[round shore]

...Isn't this a textbook appeal to emotion

literally

[pliant sun]

How much of your thoughts are your own thoughts? How much of your thoughts are not triggered by the basic needs of your body or input from external factors?

[warm void]

isn't it an emotional process to have your hard work stolen and sullied beyond your control?

[leaden bobcat]

in an inherently emotional matter, such as art, it is hard not to appeal to emotion

[cold python]

… in the context of machine learning algorithms vs human emotion as a concept yes, absolutely. What?

[leaden bobcat]

no art is objectively good

all art is subjectively good or bad

[haughty loom]

Art must be emotionally charged tbh

[round shore]

I just find that kind of amusing. Anyway, AI art is basically a cross between tracing and automating the search for reference images.

[cold python]

Not really, but all art has emotion behind it one way or another.

[pliant sun]

Emotions are an illusion created by your brain.

[round shore]

Trying to ban tracing/reference image compliation as somehow a moral issue- including for literally dead artists just...doesn't really hold water

[haughty loom]

Fair, regardless it needs passion behind it, not a mechanical amalgamizing of different works

[round shore]

Like sure you can wax philosophical about how art needs emotion and a human creator

[haughty loom]

What?

[cold python]

Again, not remotely comparable. How are you not seeing the difference? Are you that emotionally detached from humanity?

[round shore]

which is a bit awkward given AI "art" has won competitions but that's its own can of worms, I don't think it fits the defintiion of art

[round shore]

There's literally no difference

Like

tracing is something you don't commercialize or do seriously because it's using another creator's work in a fairly 1:1 fashion

which isn't developing your own style as such, and maybe good for practice or reference

[cold python]

You mean the one that was later disqualified for having been entered under false pretenses? Yeah good one lol

[round shore]

Yes, yes it was.

The fact it won though is awkward re: "art has intrinsic sacred merit that can be seen"

Like to be clear it shouldn't have won or been entered

but it did

[pliant sun]

"God" is a word we use for external effects and mechanics we can't explain yet. "emotions" is the same but for the various bugs and inconsistencies in our own brain.

[north bolt]

Okay uh

Mindblower

[haughty loom]

Yikes

[north bolt]

I think you need to put down the shrooms a bit

like legit

I'm feeling lost

HELP

[round shore]

anyway, tracing isn't screamed down as the antichrist, and it's honestly coming over less as something reasonable and more as technophobia to have such blanket issues with AI being used at all. It's a tool.

[cold python]

Emotions are controlled by synapses in your brain reacting to external and internal stimuli what are you talking about

[warm void]

it bothers me that much of the arguments i hear in favor of AI image generation treats the entire ordeal as something totally binary, devoid of emotion, as if humans are not innately emotional and shouldn't be proud of their works of art

[leaden bobcat]

your eyes are interpreting images that are actually flipped upside down
ooooh biology is scaAaAaArY

[round shore]

Because...I don't think emotion factors into reference images? It's not art for that reason

[pliant sun]

And a neural network, which essentially is the software attempt to recreate synapses and their connections, can't do that because it doesn't have a soul, right?

[cold python]

Literally in the bath right now with a glass of white wine listening to classical music and marveling at the total lack of appreciation for the human element of artistic expression.

[round shore]

You're really not gonna like AI music 🤣

[warm void]

i was trying to reason with mindblower on this same topic earlier and at a point i began to question which of us was insane

[north bolt]

Oh my god they didn't

[cold python]

I don’t even know how to respond to this. Are you okay? Like is your emotional center fried?

[north bolt]

PLEASE-

[round shore]

I'm shitposting

[cold python]

Oh, I don’t.

[round shore]

I think AI, well, sounds are gonna be trickier to execute in a way that brings enjoyment than pictures

[haughty loom]

AI music sounds like how AI writes scripts

[pliant sun]

Oh, I'm okay. Thanks for asking 😊

[round shore]

But seriously "the emotion factor" is just...subjective appeals to an esoteric idea, and not really something to base "should this tool see use"

actually my money is on the AI scripts

[cold python]

Like mindblower I’m genuinely worried for you because you cannot seriously think that a algorithm designed to absorb as many datapoints as possible to mimic art styles is the same as a human beings mind firing at all cylinders to express the vast rainbow of human emotion?

[round shore]

they're getting fairly good at impersonating dialogue

[haughty loom]

The fuck are you going on about?

[pliant sun]

Are we humans not doing literally the same thing? Trying to absorb as much data via the various senses?

[haughty loom]

No, only the things that matter to them

[round shore]

tbh Jazzy, I think it'd help to focus on the concrete side of arguments for what you think. "Emotion" isn't really something that you can nail down

[north bolt]

I'm just watching Sopranos on the side so beats me

maybe the center of existence is just gabagool

[leaden bobcat]

we're not just absorbing data though

[haughty loom]

Center of existence is your mum

Cuz she's so fat

[north bolt]

[haughty loom]

Haha

[north bolt]

DAURRGH-

[warm void]

figured i should mention since jazzy made a statement about AI images being posted in fan art resulting in a mute,

[leaden bobcat]

well that just fucked my entire train of thought, damn

[haughty loom]

HAHAHHA

[pliant sun]

Okay, how else do we learn then?

[haughty loom]

Sorry

[warm void]

might not hurt to add that bit of text to the channel description, just for clarity of anyone not present for all of this

[cold python]

Good point, ye

[round shore]

Anyway emotion is all well and good

[warm void]

well i'll be off to work on some stuff but, you folks have my appreciation for stepping in on all of this

[round shore]

but it's not something you quantify

it's not an argument in itself

Like you can argue "If we define art as being made by a human having emotion, AI imagery isn't art"

sure

but that doesn't actually lead to any conclusions

[leaden bobcat]

humans learn in many ways. we don't learn from just taking in data, especially in terms of something objectively subjective such as art or music
an AI may know how to create a master piece, but it will never understand why that art is a masterpiece. hell, it may very well not be a masterpiece, because an AI is not feeling, like a human is
the difference between a neural network and a human brain is that a neural network is taking in information and nothing else, whereas a human brain is taking in information and expressing themselves

[round shore]

Ultimately my argument is AI imagery is a cross between tracing and compiling reference artwork, ie: a tool.

This is for the stereotypical "AI image generation"

newer AI tool usage Does qualify as art

[languid olive]

for arguments' sake, AI art is art. everything made by humans is a form of art, even if its a program that compiles other images to create new ones

[round shore]

because there is a human component expressing emotion

[languid olive]

^

[round shore]

I'm arguing that the stereotypical AI generation doesn't have that emotional expression

that said the ones that are tweaks to someone's own artwork...

that's where it gets fuzzier

[pliant sun]

And humans do understand why something is objectively a masterpiece and not argue in the community connected to that artform for decades?

[north bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/slander-meme-memes-funny-whiteboard-gif-22147047

[languid olive]

it sure can if it references drawings using great emotional pieces, it can replicate anything with the right algorithms

[round shore]

No, because it's effectively compiling a reference sheet of those drawings

It's a list of art

not art itself

[leaden bobcat]

art is subjective, but the art AI generates is objective. it is made to look the best it can with no flaws, no characteristics

[languid olive]

youre saying a reference image of a sad face isnt emotionally charged as an intentionally finished piece?

both look like sad faces to me

[round shore]

I'm saying compiling a list of art gallery pieces doesn't make the creator an artist

[pliant sun]

Looking at currently existing ml tools makes me question that statement.

[round shore]

To bring things back, my POV is that a list of art gallery pieces isn't inherently the antichrist

It just...is that

a list

doesn't make the creator an artist though

[rose pasture]

Ok I’m sorry but AI and people are not comparable. AI is purely mathematical and restricted to its algorithms, people are not.

Arguments to the contrary are a fuckin Jared Leto tier take

[languid olive]

ok yes, thats where the issue is. Ai art has its place as a tool, but the issues arise from people using it unethically, ie. selling them for money or lying they drew it themselves

[round shore]

Yeah again

I have negative issue with the idea of "fuck commercializing AI art"

especially since I see the real threat as corps that do own the IP

using this to replace artists inhouse

if these luddites had brains

that'd scare them a lot more

than idiots posting keywords

[pliant sun]

And what makes humans so different? A soul? Free will? Both things that have yet to be proven

[round shore]

Tracing is fine, tracing replacing artists isn't

[north bolt]

Guys

[round shore]

going "I drew this" when the algorithm gets the credit is just lolworthy

[north bolt]

I did a prompt

[round shore]

"there may be a few bugs"

[haughty loom]

Yes, why wouldn't we? It could be the nuance or the emotion that resonates from the vibe of the picture, whether it's how it's drawn/painted or how emotion of faces are expressed.

Let's take Salvador Dali's art for example. People can see it simply as a bunch of melting clocks by the sea, or one could see something deeper. What could that be? Anything! Anything that could speak to them or you or I.

AI art sees none of that in Dali's art. They just see/make lines and do no more interpreting beyond that.

[round shore]

Devil's advocate: if art is anything artificial that gets an emotional response...

I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS

[rose pasture]

Because the brain is not a machine. You may as well tell me vegetables and fruits are the same

[round shore]

but if I was trolling I could try that argument

ie: the whole messy "what is art" bickering

[leaden bobcat]

the problem is that the masterpieces AI is generating is made from parts or previous works deemed masterpieces by people
whatever an AI generates is built on the back of previous works made by other humans. the AI is not inspired by the art that it is taking. it's not understanding the emotion behind it, and it's not conveying it to the canvas. it is objective, mathematical, calculating. it does not understand why something is a masterpiece in the eyes of many, only that it is

[pliant sun]

The human brain is a biological machine.

[pliant sun]

And new artists do not develop their style by looking at other artists?

[north bolt]

No?

lmao

[leaden bobcat]

some might, but not all

[round shore]

uhhhh

art very much is derivative I think

Like sure artists develop their own styles

[leaden bobcat]

again, huge difference between inspiration and ripping someone's style off

[round shore]

but like, there are schools for a reason

Sure, I'm just noting that the total originality argument is a nonstarter

[pliant sun]

Art is extremely derivative, so much that we've created entire categories of art that looks vaguely similar, like "Cubism" or "Hyperrealism"

[rose pasture]

“The brain is a biological machine” means fucking nothing lmao. Human legs are machines now you gonna tell me robots are athletes?

[leaden bobcat]

there are music schools as well, but I've yet to hear that music is derivative

[pliant sun]

That's just arbitrary labels

[leaden bobcat]

knowing how to paint or play guitar is different from making art or playing music

[leaden bobcat]

like cubism and hyperrealism?

[pliant sun]

Yes.

[round shore]

I mean...that's more because it didn't come up

but it very much can be?

[pliant sun]

Even music is very derivative, just Google "4Chord songs"

[languid olive]

inb4 ai is now making pop songs

[rose pasture]

For a professional mindblower this is the most surface level discussion I’ve ever seen

[leaden bobcat]

don't take this the wrong way my guy but I do not think you're in touch with your humanity
you are not a machine, your brain is not a machine, and hell, you claiming that free will doesn't exist is worrying

[round shore]

Sure and I wish we'd get back to something more concrete than vague definitions tbh

"Is AI imagery art? No, by this definition? Great. Should we burn the evil sorcery as a threat? No, cool. Should it be sold? No, here's why." etc etc

[north bolt]

Are we sure this person isn't the Architect from the Matrix

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-the-juggatech-juggnard-juggatech-architect-gif-13489502

[pliant sun]

Can you prove that the universe is not deterministic?

Scientists so far haven't managed to 😘

[rose pasture]

Art, music, cooking...pretty much all mediums of human expression are as derivative as they are iterative. It’s how these things evolve and what makes them interesting

[languid olive]

i think we are all in disagreement cause we all have different ideas as to what constitutes as art.

[north bolt]

Nah we arent

[languid olive]

"what is art?"

[north bolt]

Mindblower is just being weird

like

talking fancy but making no sense

[languid olive]

[pliant sun]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't imply that there's no logic 😘

[haughty loom]

Man I'm sorry to say this but you just sound depressed

[leaden bobcat]

so you understand the universe?

[round shore]

Side note, it's a bit funny that AI imagery gets ragged on for fuckign up hands

when hands are infamous as the bane of actual artists too

[north bolt]

okay Agent Smith

[leaden bobcat]

I mean yeah it is funny but AI gets it so fucking comically wrong

[languid olive]

if the neurons in a human brain only have two states: on and off, it can be comparable computers binary system. so i kinda get it

[rose pasture]

I mean he’s trolling “mindblower” is just posting AI generated quotes with Jayden Smith twitter as the prompt

[round shore]

tentacle porn though

[pliant sun]

No, I don't. The human brain is too limited to grasp the true nature of reality.

[north bolt]

Okay can you like

stop

[round shore]

okay lorgar

[north bolt]

genuinely

[haughty loom]

Well yeah, it's copying artists, who aren't always the best at hands, lmao

[leaden bobcat]

there's a difference between fucking up 5 fingers on a hand

and deciding

FUCK IT

[north bolt]

^

[leaden bobcat]

JIMMY TENFINGERS

[round shore]

Have you seen some artist hands

[haughty loom]

Yes

[north bolt]

6 finger gang???

[leaden bobcat]

I have seen bad anatomy you would not believe my guy

[round shore]

spaghetti monsters aside

I am not sure the AI wins that race to the bottom

ROLL FOR SAN LOSS

that said spaghetti fingers are good for a laugh

like watching a roomba have a head on collision with a wall

[haughty loom]

Guys let's just

All draw something together

It'd be fun

[leaden bobcat]

anyhow

this took like 10 prompts

[north bolt]

LMFAO

[round shore]

yeah uh

[north bolt]

WHY IS THE EMPEROR BURNING IN A BBQ STAND

[round shore]

the mainstream AI generators mayyyyy not get 40k

[north bolt]

SOMEONE HELP HIM

[round shore]

also discord ate a post?

[leaden bobcat]

even in death he's still served

[rose pasture]

Anything in this thread that isn’t braindead takes and baby’s first year of philosophy 101 is a godsend

[north bolt]

Also im sure at this point that Mindblower is a troll

[leaden bobcat]

yeah dall-e like

[north bolt]

this has been going for like 3 hours

[leaden bobcat]

focused way too much on the emperor of mankind rather than the BBQ

cus originally the prompts were like

[wet kindle]

abominable art

[leaden bobcat]

the emperor of mankind hosting a barbeque party with his primarchs

and then I went verbose into it

and then I simplifieded it

[north bolt]

you did a fine enough job

now the AI art has made me hungry

curses 💀

[haughty loom]

Consume

[pliant sun]

To get back to my earlier point, neural networks were explicitly designed to replicate the way the human brain works. Software engineers looked at microscopic Schemata of Synapses and thought to themselves and thought "we can build this in software.

When we human learn, we do so by strengthening certain synapse connections and weakening others, triggered by enzymes like Dopamine and Serotonin. Machine learning does the very same via changing its weight matrix.

[leaden bobcat]

speaking of barbeque I think I have a few smashburgers leftover

maybe they should teach neural networks to get some bitches then

[haughty loom]

Aren't you a determinist? Why continue arguing this if you know nothing changes or matters?

BTW I hate the mindset but I'm going off what you've said

[rose pasture]

Remember that guy from google who claimed their AI was sentient and got fired?

This reminds me of that

[pliant sun]

It does matter. Having no free will may also mean that I "have to do this" based on my own priming.

[rose pasture]

No it doesn’t, you can just stop whenever you want ya dork

[leaden bobcat]

you have no mouth and must...wax philosophical about shit

[pliant sun]

He was a pr guy that had no idea what he was talking about.

[rose pasture]

Relatable content

[haughty loom]

No, because if there's no free will, why bother? Everything will find its way around regardless of what input you or I try.

[cold python]

Sounds like every ai “artist” I’ve met so far t b h

[north bolt]

Existence is futile. I must play Darktide until we all die from the heat death of the universe.

[cold python]

Same ilk as the NFT folks, in fact there’s an interesting overlap there

Wonder why

[pliant sun]

If there's no free will why stop?

[leaden bobcat]

overwheling lack of bitches, that's the overlap

[north bolt]

also lack of bitches

[round shore]

I dunno I can't say I care for Luddites that are doing a remarkable cosplay of the cringing village folk with torches and pitchforks

"It must be sorcery! Burn it!"

[haughty loom]

Why bother, especially if you know my mindset on this topic won't change?

In fact, why bother with anything?

[pliant sun]

Sidenote, I find it funny how people start to ridicule the other side of an argument once they run out of ideas of how to counter.

[round shore]

AI's simply not the antichrist and it's obviously a neat tool. Just set some reasonable boundaries, wait for the inevitable perfectly legal attempt to replace artists with it by corporations because of course

[languid olive]

its not cause we dont know what to say, youre just annoying

[round shore]

And everyone goes back to doing their thing without the current sky is falling mentality

[north bolt]

WE HAVENT RAN OUT OF IDEAS THO

YOU JUST KEEP RAMBLING

I legit feel like I'm talking to an AI at this point

but I gotta kill time somehow while waiting for my flight

[languid olive]

reading a instruction manual is less dryer than what youre typing out my dude

[leaden bobcat]

dude it's 4 AM and I am on my holiday days and you are being incredibly offtopic

[languid olive]

like i get the comparison between humans and computers but damn it feels like homework reading your shit

[north bolt]

yeah I legit lost the plot ngl

at this point I'm just talking out of boredom

[leaden bobcat]

bear in mind you are discussing free will and pondering what does it mean to be human

on a Discord for a video game

[pliant sun]

My argument from the start was that the various "AI art" tools are basically a less sophisticated replica what humans do.

[north bolt]

Darktide's cosmetic show does make me question free-will to be fair

[north bolt]

Yes and that point still makes no sense.

So now drop it, seriously.

[leaden bobcat]

also I totally wasn't trying to find this image for like 5 minutes

ok now I must go and spread my shenanigans elsewhere

[haughty loom]

What a wild ride

[north bolt]

I had fun

almost

kinda

[cold python]

My bath water is draining

It was getting cold

Y’all did this to me

[leaden bobcat]

so that's why I'm hearing boss music

[cold python]

Can I sell Fatshark dev bath water

Hmmm

[haughty loom]

Try

[leaden bobcat]

unironically it will sell out instantly

[haughty loom]

Be sure to say you're a woman though

[leaden bobcat]

do not underestimate the lengths some people will go

[fossil plume]

Throw my argumentive hat in the ring
People who froth at the mouth of AI art is the same breed of people complaining about project melody when she was popular

[ionic bane]

art is anything that provokes emotion, intent doesnt matter, what people think doesnt matter, the medium doesnt matter. the people who complain are just feeling nervous cause its automation, the same shit that happened 20 years ago, 40 years ago, and 140 years ago

[warm void]

just got out of the shower and i realized this entire thing was like trying to explain to my four year old nephew why it's not okay to take things that don't belong to him

[ionic bane]

how so?

[warm void]

just because you want or like something, and even if the owner isn't using it, it's not okay to take it without asking

[ionic bane]

i dont follow, i get the fact you should take what is someones stuff but eh?

oh like what ai does? uses stuff before it to make its own stuff

[warm void]

yep

[ionic bane]

I feel like thats a weird argument, would you consider someone painting a picture similar to van go in the same light or is there a difference?

[warm void]

nah it's not really an argument of any kind

just reflecting on the conversation while in the shower brought me to that thought

[ionic bane]

#showerthoughts

[north bolt]

Stop with the dumb argument and keep posting bad AI art.

its a stupid hill to die on, end of story.

🤸

[haughty loom]

Best usage of AI art is stuff like this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849435308473974824/1055701964287127632/FfWhPDXXwAIB5v8.png

[north bolt]

My guy gets it

but also god thats cursed

[haughty loom]

DALL-E memes are epitome of and AI art

Any*

And that's it

[north bolt]

I won't be able to get centaur stephen hawking out of my head now

[haughty loom]

I like that alternate universe version of him

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849435308473974824/1055701144535576576/FfbrUacXgAApYU9.png

[warm void]

what do you mean? that's clearly rintten iantten she's in in the top left

[haughty loom]

Damn you right

[north bolt]

Alright i gotta try a prompt 1 sec

Oh god MK.1 Crusade armor

what did fortnite do to you

[haughty loom]

Looks like Mandalorian armor tbh

[pliant sun]

Nurgle.

[north bolt]

I can see it tbh

if I squint very hard

[haughty loom]

Yeah

Yeah a bit there too even

[north bolt]

Alright better

almost

[haughty loom]

We're almost to that reality

[north bolt]

Soon my friends

soon

One day we will have an Ultramarine doing the Default Dance

https://tenor.com/view/default-dance-gif-13250931

[haughty loom]

Probably as soon as the Henry Cavill production goes up

[north bolt]

heres hoping

[haughty loom]

We need Erebussy Orange Juicing

[warm void]

for as much as i hate the default dance, i can make an exception for an ultra marine

just this once

[haughty loom]

I love it ironically

It's such a dumb and memey dance

[warm void]

i know a friend who's in a similar boat, except that they'd loved it so much ironically that they've just sort of adopted it in its entirety

[haughty loom]

Oh god

[warm void]

spare yourself the path they went down

it leads to a dark place

[haughty loom]

Always gotta stop yourself at some point even if you're saying it's ironic

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/849435308473974824/1055700591176859750/FhhY1ngWAAAq591.png

[haughty loom]

Hope this isn't too political https://twitter.com/weirddalle/status/1603023590303338498

Weird Ai Generations (@weirddalle)

joe Biden breakdancing at his state of the union address

Likes

96766

Retweets

4716

Twitter · Dec 14, 2022, 1:46 PM

[wide bane]

psyker

loading out on HL-30whatever

[ionic bane]

damn thats good

[warm void]

reminds me of the AI folks out there who talk about artists as if they're hoarding all the art talent to themselves

when in reality one could at any time create infinite art themselves without the use of an AI run entirely off of blatant theft

[haughty loom]

Right?

Like yeah sure it's time consuming and requires a lot of effort, but I think it's more satisfying

[ionic bane]

i still havnt heard an argument yet

all ive heard is salt and worry

which is fine automation has taken alot of jobs

[warm void]

is don't take other's things such a hard thing to grasp?

[ionic bane]

explain that to me

thats all im asking

[warm void]

i don't believe you want it explained to you, like many before you

[ionic bane]

seems like a you problem but thats fine

[warm void]

you are willfully ignorant to the wrongness present, thus i cannot explain any of it

[ionic bane]

seems like you are assuming alot

all ive asked for is an explain of your pov

if you dont want to thats fine, ill just continue my reasoning

[ionic bane]

this you?

didnt have an argument then and still dont

[haughty loom]

Dude, are you this much of a jackass?

[warm void]

you haven't really said anything except 'artists salty' so i don't take you for the kind to want to actually engage in a discussion about this

also, would appreciate you not pinging me further

[haughty loom]

Just leave for the night Evelynn

[warm void]

that's the plan, 'night

[haughty loom]

Feels like he's trying to rile you

Nighty

[ionic bane]

i just want an explanation

[haughty loom]

I don't care. The way you're trying to rile them pisses me off.

[ionic bane]

i. just. want. a. reasoning

[haughty loom]

What's this then

[ionic bane]

please

yeah still doesnt and im trying to get one by showing a lack of reasoning

[haughty loom]

By going about in the most snooty way possible

[ionic bane]

i still havnt got one

[haughty loom]

I don't care

[ionic bane]

glad we sorted that out at least

[fossil plume]

have all of yall heard of a thing called project melody?

im getting a lot of rhyming from that event

[ionic bane]

that vaguely familiar

i get a vtuber and an ai music thing which is it

lol

thats a part of my position as its just the automation of art

ppl are scared, and thats fine

[fossil plume]

project melody was a vtuber who did cam girl things on popular websites (you know what kind of things, im not explaining cause i fear mods)
she so popular, so quickly that human cam girls starting complaining and saying she wasnt a real cam girl and should be banned.
the lesson we can pull from that was "cry about it. people want thing made by new equipment"
if people want to watch a vtuber do cam girl things, too bad. new technology does things people want
if people want to use AI to make art and show people, too bad. new technology does things people want

[ionic bane]

agreed all of what ive heard so far is people being scared and worried which is normal, healthy(to an extent). the view that ai art isnt art is dumb/reactionary bs.

[fossil plume]

i find it quite cool
art is the one thing humans exclusively can do
so feeding images into a machine and telling them to try make something different with context of established things is quite neat.

[ionic bane]

i have maintained the position that art is anything that invokes an emotion, the fact when can now tell a machine to do something that for decades was held up as the "thing that make humanity and something not inhuman" is super awesome

[north bolt]

Also @warm void your points are correct/AI art defenders are cringe but remember that theres a reason we made this thread, don't start arguments and leave the AI peeps in their own enclosure.

[ionic bane]

hey dilara whats your pov on the issue?

im trying to understand but im getting nothing

also cringe calling AI art defenders cringe

[warm void]

oh, had been trying to avoid engaging like this outside of the thread since i wanted to let w-y-k know about the change just in case he earnestly didn't know

just ended up getting blown off though which i suppose i should've expected

[north bolt]

Yeah just leave it be please.

theres a reason this is a containment thread

[warm void]

will do

[fossil plume]

☣️ AI art thread. Dare not enter unless in protective gear ☣️

[ionic bane]

🙄

propt was warhammer 40k AI robot

[north bolt]

[fossil plume]

actually looks like what the progressive mechanicus would make as a honking ai thing

[ionic bane]

I like the program i use because every time i use it i see more and more something i haven't seen anywhere else

also got this which could totally be a scrapecode demon

bedtime now i look forward to see what the rest of the world thinks when i walk up

[cold python]

Funny, because the machine is barely able to do that anyway

Literally the examples you’ve posted are the equivalent of a visual seizure. It looks like something for a split second but the moment you look closer it’s nightmare fuel nonsense with no regard for anatomy, structure or actual intent.

I’ll be more interested the day AI Image Generators are capable of creating something from scratch with no prior (stolen) foundation, and not failing spectacularly in such a way that makes everything fall immediately into the uncanny valley.

[past plover]

to be fair, art has been trying to break with those boundaries for half a century or more.

As a result, anything at all can be art, there isn't much of an entry bar to that qualification

[cold python]

“Made by a human” is a pretty low bar of entry I think

[past plover]

with brush?

[cold python]

Any method. Doesn’t matter. So long as a human made it.

[past plover]

human made AI

ai=art

[cold python]

Lmao no

[dense parrot]

Lmao

[cold python]

Well actually, re reading what you said

Sure, artificial intelligence, meant to mimic life? Could arguably be an artistic endeavor, if the creator of the AI intended it to be

[pliant sun]

So apes/cats/elephants can't create art?
What about nature, aren't snowflakes (if you look at them under a microscope) also pretty artistic?

Or does "Art" require the intent of creation?

[past plover]

mind=blown

[pliant sun]

From Wikipedia:

There is no generally agreed definition of what constitutes art,[4][5][6] and its interpretation has varied greatly throughout history and across cultures. In the Western tradition, the three classical branches of visual art are painting, sculpture, and architecture.[7] Theatre, dance, and other performing arts, as well as literature, music, film and other media such as interactive media, are included in a broader definition of the arts.[1][8] Until the 17th century, art referred to any skill or mastery and was not differentiated from crafts or sciences. In modern usage after the 17th century, where aesthetic considerations are paramount, the fine arts are separated and distinguished from acquired skills in general, such as the decorative or applied arts.

The nature of art and related concepts, such as creativity and interpretation, are explored in a branch of philosophy known as aesthetics.[9] The resulting artworks are studied in the professional fields of art criticism and the history of art.

[past plover]

AI art is art. Says so in the thread title even

[cold python]

AI Image Generation Thread

[cold python]

Wdym

[pliant sun]

Anything can be art, even taping a gps tracker onto a Roomba and transforming its movement pattern into a painting 😂

[past plover]

Still in the fan art channel, checkm8 mods

[cold python]

I mean, we could just ban the topic altogether tbh

If y’all are gonna be disingenuous about it

[pliant sun]

Fair.
As long as that ban is tied to the topic as a whole and not tied to only one side of the argument. Would be pretty hypocritical if the critics were allowed to continue while art enjoyers are not (and vice-versa) 😘

[dense parrot]

As an artist
Screw AI stealing our shit

[cold python]

Yes, a total ban on discussion and posting of AI Generation has been considered.

[pliant sun]

Would I be right in assuming that "banning the discussion" while "permitting the actual posting of art" is not considered viable?

[cold python]

We’ll see ™️

[pliant sun]

Okay, thanks 😊

[cold python]

How about we compromise for now by just, not discussing it

Y’all wanna post generations, go for it

Here’s your thread, stick to it

Just no point discussing the ethics and what ifs

[haughty loom]

Oh those other two guys are gone damn

[past plover]

generated these some days ago, posted them in the main channel but reposting here since its the appropriate thread.
Tried to get Skitarii on the march, results are varied but interesting

[amber dune]

This was a wild ass ride to read, oh my goodness

[north bolt]

Pain.

[amber dune]

Yeah

I'm sorry mod team

[north bolt]

All good

[haughty loom]

Its honestly kind of funny but also kind of painful

[amber dune]

Maaad wooorld

[haughty loom]

I still wonder why Akshka was banned though

I got the other guy considering he was being inflammatory

[north bolt]

They were more or less doing the same thing.

[haughty loom]

God damn

[leaden bobcat]

they were warned for like 3 days straight to stop

[north bolt]

^

[haughty loom]

I knew that guy was being a snooty lil shit

[north bolt]

KEK yeah more or less

like we dont mind AI Art, its literally just them being arrogant and defending it when provoked by actual artists

I use AI-Art a lot for projects too but im not gonna go ahead and call it picasso tier content

[haughty loom]

I getcha, though I feel it was also them defending the fact that it was an art revolution and that it could compete with actual artists is what ticked me off

Anyway gonna stop talking about this cuz Jazzy did make a rule against debating this topic

[north bolt]

All good bud

[amber dune]

Yeah I'm trying to walk on eggshells but my goodness it started going way off into the weeds

[haughty loom]

Yeah its tough atm

[amber dune]

Some of the replies read like someone was fighting for their life through a peyote spirit quest

[haughty loom]

IT WAS INSANE MAN

[amber dune]

"what is a human REALLY"

"my emotions are just CHEMICALS AND SYNAPSES"

[leaden bobcat]

a miserable little pile of secrets

[haughty loom]

God that was wildin'

[north bolt]

My guy legit went full Matrix on us, I was scared for my life

[haughty loom]

He was blowing my mind for sure

[north bolt]

Speaking of

I generated an image

[round shore]

http://aiorart.com/ at the risk of setting the cat among the pigeons

[round shore]

accurate

[north bolt]

best I can get 💀

[round shore]

Midjourney, dale or?

[haughty loom]

I cant tell whats going on

[round shore]

the weird chaos spawn is a nice touch

[north bolt]

Used this https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/eNCZSduDFR5wS7DqnGzX

Deffo need to use Midjourney more though, some of the semi-IRL images it makes for movie prompts are really cool

[cold python]

Can’t tell if Mindblower stoned as shit or Dilara tired of his shit

Either way, all I hear is a faint whisper of “… maaan…”

[north bolt]

LMAO

[round shore]

I legit am tempted to subscribe to midjourney, love the detail and variety it produces

I just don't care much for subscription models

[north bolt]

This.

I would abuse THE HELL out of Midjourney since it makes great stuff but pass me off with that subscription nonsense

[round shore]

and mid's pricing is premium- for a premium product mind you

[leaden bobcat]

thing is a lot of the art looks okay until you look closer

for ex this one

just this derpy eye is enough to tell me 'yeah no this is machine'

[north bolt]

I think its still pretty close but yeah the imperfections require a bit of an hawk's eye at times

[round shore]

derpy eye does seem like a giveaway yeah

[leaden bobcat]

derpy eye, or odd looking fingers

[round shore]

but I'd be shocked if there weren't a few cases of "whoops" guesses :p

[leaden bobcat]

or missing body features like ears

[north bolt]

Yeah its enough to be waved off as an "artisitc imperfection" which says a lot

usually at least

[leaden bobcat]

the thing is right if I see an art piece that looks like it's from the renaissance period

I know for a fact that when they draw a human, they draw the entire human

even something as minute as the bridge of someone's nose is given detail

so if I see a renaissance-looking painting of a woman, and her hair is literally going over where her ear would be, that's a dead giveaway

as I said, AI knows what a masterpiece is but not *why *it's a masterpiece

[round shore]

Well, yes, if an artist has worse artistic judgment than a toaster, that's reason for concern for entirely different reasons :p

But the eye thing is a neat telltale sign

[pliant sun]

What did I do this time?

Oh, Context.

[pliant sun]

For my curiosity, after how much inactivity would this thread disappear?

[cold python]

7 days.

[haughty loom]

Damn was waiting for this thread to go

[round shore]

I mean, AI bashing won't change facts.

[haughty loom]

That it stinky?

[round shore]

That its opposition atm is literally just a Disney goon signing them up to astroturf for corporate copyright

Y'all being used

[haughty loom]

I dont fuckin' care about Mickey Mouse aside from the fact that I too want to watch it crash and burn

I care about freelance artists getting fucked over

[round shore]

Being an unpaid lobbyist for Mickey is the exact opposite of helping artists

I'll be real with you trying to ban new tech is doomed and if anything fucks artists from a tool

Like youre basically saying artists rent good enough

What a real artist advocate would do is argue against profiting from AI

Which good news

Already exists

Can't copyright that shit

Anyway ai can edit an artists work

Its a tool

[haughty loom]

WHEN DID I IMPLY WE BAN AI ART? All I have said during my rants in here is that AI art should not compete against other artists due to how exploitative the technology is and that it steals from said artists. Trying to make a Frankenstein of an image cut from various artists and trying to sell that is genuinely scummy.

[round shore]

But...thats already solved

Like

Literally in court

"no you can't copyright AI art you muppet"

Like anything else isn't really a controversy about AI in general anymore is it

[haughty loom]

Still taking artists' work and making a Frankenstein image could be considered stealing, could it not? Anyway Im gonna drop this here; I admit Im not great at debating and I dont wanna get riled over dumb shit like this.

[round shore]

So can tracing

Its a tool

If individual artists don't want to be part of it. Lol give em what they want

But like the tech itself getting hate is basically bc of fearmongering and literally the main group is see above re: Disney puppets

[haughty loom]

Okay I lied Im coming back in lmao
So at the very least, we can agree that profiting off AI art is scummy

[round shore]

AI art isn't copyrightable so its staying the tool it should be

[warm void]

and who are you to determine what a 'real artists' should be doing in regards to people using their work explicitly against their wishes?

furthermore, to say that not being able to copyright generated images solves the problem is, ridiculous

ignoring numerous glaring issue, first and foremost, a number of services such as midjourney are already charging their users for subscriptions

and even supposing the services were free, why should someone be forced to comply with the people behind these generators? in what ridiculous world would you be convinced that it is a good thing that people can steal the efforts of tens of thousands of individuals and redistribute their labor to others for free?

these people who have spent years of their lives refining their works, should be forced to surrender their efforts to someone else just because you say so?

[pliant sun]

Life could be so great if people just got along.

Like is it really that difficult to let other people enjoy what they enjoy without arguing all over it (especially since Jazzy asked people to not use this thread for arguments)?

[round shore]

"Real artist's advocate." The whiners absolutely should be able to opt out of having their individual work used in AI generators. This isn't "MID JOURNEY CHARGES", it's about whinging at the existence of AI generators in general by a group that's sold their souls to Disney's copyright astroturfers showing just where their priorities lie.

[round shore]

Their rights end where their individual art pieces and galleries do.

[warm void]

not sure what you've got against artists not liking people using their work

[round shore]

I have nothing against their complaint other than the part where they effectively signed up to be flying monkeys in Disney's crusade to abuse copyright law forever

That kinda killed any sympathy beyond "okay you should definitely be able to control how your own art is used".

What the anti-AI lobby is doing is effectively trying to strangle any implementation of this technology (by the public anyway...) in the crib and it certainly isn't actually pro-artist

[warm void]

instead of bothering to discuss the whole bit of most artists having virtually no avenues to protect their works from this, especially since i'm not familiar with what you're talking about with disney

i'd like to ask if you're under the impression that everyone is in on this whole disney thing?

because you seem to refer to artists as a collective who are all in on it, which i think is unlikely

[round shore]

I'm talking about the most influential complainers

I get that there's a trend/bandwagon that by definition won't be coherent or all on the same page

there are legit concerns to raise and boundaries to set

but the ringleader is literally a disney employee and the most publicized anti-AI group very publicly signed up with the "Copyright Alliance" astroturf group

[pliant sun]

Just for my curiosity... but you do realize that by insisting to debate it here you're asking for the entire topic (including the art appreciation part) to be banned... which essentially plays into the hands of the haters.
(because there was a boundary mentioned... which people continuously chose to ignore)

[round shore]

I mean Jazzy is waiting for an excuse to ban it no matter what anyone says or does- but honestly we've exhausted the topic

[pliant sun]

Yeah. All arguments are repeated and recycled over and over... so let's just go back to art appreciation.

[round shore]

But when your fundraiser for "anti AI activism" joins this group and is founded by an NFT peddler and Disney stooge...That probably is not a good sign.

[warm void]

oh, nft peddler, that sounds familiar and i can run down the general timeline on that

[pliant sun]

(Midjourney)

[round shore]

TBH there's no timeline to discuss, it's very much yes or no and the screens say yes.

[warm void]

most independent artists have no real method to try and fight back against AI image generation utilizing their works, so when the kickstarter for that fundraiser went up, people jumped on it pretty readily

over the following week more information came out about it and, for many folks, it devolved into something dubious at best

[round shore]

Why yes people's fears were preyed on!

Hell it's starting to look like anti-AI scams are starting to be their own cottage industry

I've seen a scam posted under the guise of "artstation but without the lack of AI filter"

(which to be clear artstation and other platforms do need to stop shitting the bed)

[warm void]

so are you here to point and laugh at the artists trying to protect their individual works or complain about how they're funding the copyright bullies?

[round shore]

The latter, the former just have no clue what they're doing.

[pliant sun]

(Midjourney's idea of what Nurgle's Throne looks like)

[round shore]

Like if you just want to go "AI BAD", you've probably been scammed. Which happens to a lot of people. If you have more specific concerns, that's something that can actually be discussed and acted on.

[pliant sun]

(midjourney's idea of what Khorne's Throne looks like)

[round shore]

Huh.

[warm void]

i've said it before but, i'm reasonably certain the majority of ire that ai image generation receives is from the nonconsensual usage of artist's works

[round shore]

Nah there's a SHITTON of fearmongering and that fundraider scam is front and center with it

[warm void]

while i have no desire, or intention to defend the people behind the fundraiser you'd discussed

[round shore]

The problem is right now the face of anti-AI sentiment is that scam

it's killed the chances of more productive conversation for the time being

[warm void]

have you considered that this all could have been avoided, if the people behind the image generators themselves chose to ethically source their images?

[round shore]

No it couldn't?

Like there's been a lot of whinging that AI generators dare to exist at all

[pliant sun]

(Midjourney's idea what Tzeentch's throne looks like... I think)

[round shore]

"they're killing art" is one particularly popular song and dance

[pliant sun]

and last but not least... Midjourney's idea what Slaanesh's Throne looks like

[round shore]

but let's drop it here if you don't agree with the fundraider since that and similar fearmongering needs to stop before a mature conversation about AI art and what is and isn't okay can happen

[warm void]

well it's not like the conversation is going away, like many proponents for midjourney and whatnot suggest, ai imagery is here to stay

it's a matter securing rights for artists to not have their work misused

[round shore]

Pretty much, but there won't be a mature conversation about it as long as the main voice about "pro artists" is a literal scam.

[warm void]

the main voice about pro artists?

also i'd like to say,

[warm void]

this is a statement some make, yes

but many people who make a living off of artistry have already dealt with people mimicking their style

[pliant sun]

(Midjourney's designs for more Slaanesh inspired Demons)

[warm void]

that's just how it goes, and it's nothing new

[pliant sun]

(Midjourney's design for more Nurgle units)

(surprise: Khorne. Also Midjourney)

[warm void]

what is new, is people not taking inspiration, or attempting to make copies, but is the actual, exact data being utilized in a rather sour manner

[round shore]

Yes, and artists have had their work traced. If anything AI has had less horseshit happen than tracing horror stories I've heard of.

[warm void]

it's sort of akin to tracing, really

[pliant sun]

This is supposed to be Tzeentch... but I don't see it. Maybe that's why it's so appropriate for the changer of ways?

[round shore]

Look my POV on AI art is that it's a cross between tracing art, and a moodboard, with all implied by both.

[warm void]

it's the deliberate taking of something that already exists for use of your own purposes, which is, lame

[round shore]

Let's drop it before Mind blows a fuse or Jazzy uses an excuse

let's talk in PM

[warm void]

i'd rather not take it to DMs, in part since i'm about to take a shower

[round shore]

Try making it more avian

[warm void]

but unless jazzy has had a change of heart, prof, i believe this thread acts as a general ai imagery containment zone

their statement regarding the banning of it in its entirety arose when the AI discussion broke back into the fanart channel

if people couldn't discuss it in its intended location, then perhaps it should be removed entirely, is roughly what they'd said if i can recall correctly

[pliant sun]

I get that Tzeentch is mostly associated with avian creatures but I don't really see it that way. For me, Tzeentch is more... unpredictable, unimaginable.

[warm void]

i could be mistaken but, off the top of my head at least

[pliant sun]

(Midjourney, Tzeentch)

[round shore]

Sure but my replies will be in PMs for the time being. Anyway for Tzeentch: the avian themes are good accents

with the other vibes being the aquatic creatures as well as generic gribblies

that last is def neat

[pliant sun]

Probably Slaanesh... but hey, what do I know?

[round shore]

...khorne is that you

The, ah, chaotic nature of AI art really lends itself to Warp imagery

[pliant sun]

No, wait. This is supposed to be Slaanesh

And this one is the award-winning Smile of Grandfather

Fulgrim. What's interesting is how this image is created. The artist first created a model via Daz, then exported it to Photoshop added Blender-created accessories and some other tools like Corel Painter and then used Stable Diffusion Img2Img as an after-effect

Same artist (DrDredd), using Stable Diffusion img2img for after-effects

Those are in order: Leman Russ, Lorgar, Robot Gorillaman, Magnus

A Drukhari nightclub, somewhere in Commorragh (by Midjourney)

[warm void]

i wonder what that is

[pliant sun]

Scrapcode that Slaanesh uses to corrupt the machine spirit of any Mechanicus unit trying to look at the picture, obviously.

[haughty loom]

More like Cock code

[pliant sun]

Hm, what's the difference?

[cold python]

Corrupted signature from the artist it stole the template from.

This happens constantly in AI Images.

[warm void]

yeah, i'd been saying it a bit sarcastically

it's pretty sad to see

[amber dune]

I might be too drunk and sleepy to understand rn but I have not once heard of this Disney lobbying against AI art thing (not that I'm asking to be educated either) until now and I'm willing to bet a ton of other people haven't either

I'm gonna go out on a limb and pull an assumption out of my ass and say that most people that are against AI art don't even see it as a bad thing in a vacuum, just the implication of it stealing work without permission or credit or whatever

[round shore]

Yes, that's how a scam works.

Misinformation, fear, and "donate money so we can lobby for this totally dangerous thing uwu"

[wet perch]

Considering I've been in the AI writing community for years and rarely even saw it discussed outside of a thread about "We used an AI to generate ideas for M:tG cards," the fact that there's been a gigantic backlash about AI in the past few months kinda makes me nervous. Thinking "Are we the baddies?" because of my dumb hobby isn't a good feeling.

[amber dune]

i don't think the people that make these things are the baddies (unless they're made with malicious intent/code/whatever) but if they ARE taking images without permission/just ripping them out of a search engine, that doesn't seem very good or healthy and i'm pretty against that

note: i know very little about the situation

[round shore]

There are actual concerns but ultimately, the most vocal anti-AI folks are out to make a quick buck

It's good to be self-aware about your hobby and do research about real concerns

but ultimately people are easily stirred up, fearful, and will jump at the wrong target if someone sees money in stirring up hate about it

Are there genuine issues with some aspects of how AI is used? Yes, just like any other new or cutting edge technology.

[warm void]

i think to say that the people most against this sort of thing are looking to make a quick buck is a very convenient "people that disagree are wrong and bad"

and i don't think this is a case like most 'new or cutting edge technology' since the issues, for probably the fifth time, are that the most vastly important resource that AI feeds on is at a large scale, almost completely unethically sourced

[warm void]

as of the situation you find yourself in neo, i don't think most people would be upset with you in specific, but a lot of people do shun AI generation as of now because of the rampant plagiarism and unethical issues that have arisen from the datasets the people behind ai generators scraped together

[rose pasture]

Stealing art bad it’s as simple as that also this thread legit never gets used for anything but making massive hot takes good lord

[cold python]

I’m sorry what

Are you sure you didn’t get that the wrong way around

Surely you mean the most vocal pro-AI folks are out to make a quick buck

[warm void]

it makes me question my sanity that i keep trying to come back and reason with people on this topic, when so many AI proponents fail to grasp the whole stealing bad thing

[round shore]

No I meant what I said lol, the anti-AI art movement lobby is literally run by a NFT peddler

[haughty loom]

WHAT

[cold python]

yeah man you’re right jigs up I actually love ai art

?????

In fact me and the entirety of the artstation and deviant art protest, we’re all in on it too

Yep, all a ruse

[haughty loom]

Damn I've been had....

[round shore]

I think you're not really reading what I said

what I said is that it's on record- and I'll dig up specifics later- that one of the main fearmongers behind anti-AI lobbying pulling a lot of the strings is also an NFT peddler.

[cold python]

What I’m reading is that you let one grifter form your opinion on the ENTIRE GROUP that is outraged about ai art

The fuck do you mean “main fear mongerers”?

[round shore]

I'll dig up names later ig

Look

are lots of people worried, for valid reasons or otherwise, about AI art? Sure.

Is the most visible lobby against said AI art kinda reeking to high heaven from a mix of who they're allying with and their dirty laundry? Also yes.

[cold python]

Lobby??????

[round shore]

Literally.

[cold python]

This isn’t congress dude

The outraged group are artists and people who love said artists

Don’t peddle this disingenuous “actually ai art hate is just nft grifting” bad faith shit

[round shore]

There are artists that believe there is a problem

[cold python]

Yes, and it’s most of them. Myself, my artist partner, and all of our mutual artist friends and their mutual artist friends included.

[round shore]

Cool, I'm sure you'll all adapt to the new technology eventually. But you speak for exactly one group of people: yourselves.

[cold python]

Aight

[round shore]

You are not the sum of all artists and you still have to ground your arguments in reality.

[cold python]

I’m putting you in timeout. It’s horrendously disingenuous to claim the entire anti-AI movement is a sham because you saw one dude be an NFT-grifter.

[haughty loom]

That a good idea? He'll likely come back and just go "Haha I was right because someone tried to cover up my truth!"

[cold python]

Then he gets banned No skin off my ass

Man’s building a record of being borderline inflammatory and disingenuous like this.

But let’s move on. I’m sure there’s more valuable things for this thread. Lol.

[haughty loom]

I get that his opinion is pretty fuckin' bad, but idk about banning him on this is a good idea. If he's inflammatory sure, but on this debate, I dunno it feels a bit abusive. Regardless, lets move on.

[cold python]

I’m being a bit hyperbolic, for what it’s worth. But taunting like that would be not great for his case lol

[haughty loom]

Yeah

Anyway we should either let this thread die or turn it into something cooler

[pliant sun]

Just an idea... but why not post and appreciate art instead of continuously arguing - despite pretty much everyone in here being fully aware that the others are unconvincable...

I mean, how many more hours and pages do the arguments have to continue until absolutely everyone understands that the minds are set and that nobody is going to change their opinion based on arguments mentioned?

(Midjourney)

[leaden bobcat]

now I wanna see a Space Marine in the style of Pixar's animations tbh

and eh, people gonna argue

as the old timeless quote goes, 'so long as there's two people left on the planet, someone's gonna want someone dead'

[pliant sun]

(More Midjourney, this time the theme is "Ad Mech" + "Slaanesh")

(Midjourney, Tzeentch Dark Mechanicus and Tzeentch Mechanicus)

I also have a nice Midjourney'ed Slaaneshi Demonette... but I think I can't post it due to Server-Rule #3

[leaden bobcat]

if you think it's NSFW, it's prolly best not to post it yeah