40k-book-club

[fluid yarrow]

He has talked about being very careful about who he'd like to portray, since he can only do one.

Surely we can all agree on Cavill = Guilliman atleast.

[drowsy urchin]

And I hope to god he won't be some fuck ass space marine

[fluid yarrow]

lol

[drowsy urchin]

we better not get primarchs in live action

[tacit void]

I wouldn’t like that either tbh

It’d be very hard to capture

[drowsy urchin]

Space Marines either only helmets on or fucking ugly and scarred

[tacit void]

I think most of the marines in Eisenhorn are helmeted

Except for Teke maybe

[fluid yarrow]

That's Ravenor.

Eisenhorn we had Mandragore (Chaos Marine) and the DW Librarian.

From memory...

Actually no Teke was Bequin.

[tacit void]

Yeah Teke was Bequin

I mean the series in general

[fluid yarrow]

Well, at the current rate of production Bequin will be decades away anyway.

All our actor picks will be aged out or dead.

[tacit void]

[smoky bronze]

Eisenhorn but hes old as fuck and played by martin skarsgaard

I think the trouble with fancasting eisenhorn is he really doesn't... look like an axtor

I liked the fiennes call

Especially after the facial paralysis he's be perfect

[drowsy urchin]

We don't have enough ugly actors anymore!!!

Life's FUCKED

[smoky bronze]

If he were still alive i'd say alan rickman

Rip

[sonic walrus]

Just get Collin Farrell to do it in a shit fuck ton of prosthetics. Or Scarlett Johansson.

[smoky bronze]

Josh brolin...

I do think cillian murphy is a good cast for pre-burns ravenor

[sonic walrus]

Javier Bardem

And Paul Bettany as ravenor

[snow siren]

Jacob Elordi as Ravenor

Nah for real though, the important casting

Tom Hardy as Harlan Nayl

[sonic walrus]

Godwyn Fischig = Karl Urban

[sonic walrus]

You'd need an actor that is good in both full body prosthetics and as a voice actor. Beyond one scene where they get toasted, ravenor isn't on screen other than being a giant armored chair. Or being a twisted near corpse in an operating room.

[fickle temple]

any good short stories for servitors

[severe trail]

The pov of one? No because they’re lobotomized

[fickle temple]

not necessarily.

[severe trail]

Flesh and steel has servitors as a focus

[tall phoenix]

^

one of the MOST in-depth servitor stories yea

absolutely recommend

[severe trail]

You’re never gona get a pov of one bcs there’s not much going on if they’re working as intended

[tall phoenix]

tbh they exist

but its like... yeah, bare bones lmao

the most recent one i remember is the one from Leviathan where the hivemind convinces a reactor-servitor to kill himself

[fickle temple]

how heroic

[severe trail]

“Me kill thing, compliance. Me kill thing again, compliance”

Average battle servitor pov

[snow siren]

Exactly what I’d like to see with Elordi

[frigid osprey]

there is an iron hands short story from the point of view of a servitor, its a cool one

The Memory of Flesh

its kind of a part 2 to a story callled the Blessing of Iron which is about them becoming a servitor

well, kind of from the point of view of a servitor anyway....

[forest spruce]

Gravemind ah moment

[severe sparrow]

Sharing… I love to dork out on curating playlists and have a handful of 40k ones for those that like to listen while reading/painting

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/0mc2IVyy9PcX5ORePTlYTd?si=NIPoiqxQRW2fiRgjzoMxAw

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/51sK1tnH2eEFmCwTFG4p7r?si=5RC9dephS_K7JY4u91MFdg

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5qVZDHdafRE7DQnv8oHVNE?si=B60ga4WnT3uhU1-Th_MlWw

[drowsy stone]

Vulkan Lives is kinda gross

[tall phoenix]

I mean yes?

its a Nick Kyme book

[pale snow]

im re-reading the night lords trilogy (go figured) cause its been a while and im actually deep into 40k lore now so i like understand most of the book better but its kinda hilarious how much more the entire tenth claw just pisses me the fuck off in comparison to the first read

plus book one is just the black legion making fun of the guys the whole war

like genuinely this book becomes comedy once you enter it not at an entry level

[tacit void]

Talos is a delulu loser

Real NL are Acerbuspilled

[runic root]

I mean, what the trillogy does is it makes the night lords a touch more relateable and fleshed out. They are still horrible monsters tho

[plain gust]

Despite being like my first ever 40k book

Theyre a bunch of fucking losers lmfao

Except for Xarl, the only proper chap there

And Lucoryphus

[tacit void]

Lucy is the realest person there

[plain gust]

Lowkey they are one of the worst warbands ive seen lmfao

[plain gust]

Xarl is still pretty based himself

Called Talos on his bs, was the best fighter of them and fucking 1v1'd a ultramarine champ while everyone else was struggling

[tacit void]

No lie, he was right about Uzas too

[plain gust]

My boy Uzas did nothing wrong

[tacit void]

Cyrion knew that in the end

[plain gust]

I joke a lot about hating him but like, really cant since hes just acting like the average 40k chud

And he was well written into the role of hateable antagonist

[tacit void]

Ye, the whole of First Claw is pretty good shit

[pale snow]

uzas is like

fairly tame in the wake of reading horus heresy novels

especially now with the going perspective of "talos is a moron"

am i in support of uzas and his claim to rampant madness, no not really, but also it could be way worse

he could of been stinkin the joint up crazy style, i think they all got off lucky he was a khorne head

[plain gust]

I remember the first time I read it my mind was constantly "is this the average warband/Night Lord?! They're useless!"
Took me a while to realize
Nope. Vandred is a dumbass and Talos is even worse

[pale snow]

God yeah the exalted

its so funny how often he presents like i am the biggest genius and then immediately gets hit with a million people calling him a dumbass dickhead and it fuckin makes him angrier than if someone actually tried to kill him

plus him using his termy goon squad instead of actually attempting to use any of the "boons" granted to him by chaos for most of the time, bro's tied to his chair thinking he's the grand chessmaster instead of actually leading his claw, no wonder nobody trusts anyone

[plain gust]

What makes it worse its the fact || its not even the real Vandred. Its the daemon pretending to be him.... You are a being of the warp how fucking dumb can you even be?||

[pale snow]

||we ship of theseused this captain but kept all the dumb stuff||

like the bit at the end of the first book where he's like "how did all this trust be broken, why doesnt anyone trust each other" and its like BROTHER

YOU MADE THE SANDWHICH

[plain gust]

BROTHER YOU ARE LEADING ONE OF THE MOST BROKEST WARBAND

OF COURSE NO ONE LIKES/TRUSTS EACH OTHER

ESPECIALLY WHEN ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES LEGIT DIPPED YOU FOR THE RED CORSAIRS

[pale snow]

hey look

huron looks very trustable and like a chill hang

wouldnt you trust this guy

[plain gust]

No lowkey I'd join the RC too theyre way better than the average warband

[pale snow]

he's definitely a better hang than abaddon

[plain gust]

You mean we can kinda coexist, any loot that I manage to get is rightfully mine and I only need to worry about following your orders?

Sign me the fuck in

[plain gust]

I mean his only real ability is void battle and he can barely do shit because THEY'RE BROKE AS FUUUUCK

Their ship was constantly on the verge of exploding cause they barely had anything to spare individual fixes for their armor

[snow siren]

Xarl is bae

Best kill/death scene in all of 40k fiction

[plain gust]

Talos had not taken off his armor in weeks cause they couldnt afford a servitor to help him get out of it

They are worse than the average warband

Legit bum status

[pale snow]

the covenant of blood

[plain gust]

LITERALLY

[pale snow]

meanwhile while he's like "lets do an orbital re-entry while blood angels and the black legion shoot at us" he's malding in his head like i sure hope we dont die before those premonition bastards

what a dork

like talos got assigned bum at birth by his dad, whats your excuse vandred

[plain gust]

|| possessed by the bum daemon ||

[plain gust]

Considerably I think Uzas was also pretty cool

[pale snow]

its gonna be sad when i finish this book and have to like

consult the horus heresy chart

why tf am i even reading these half of them are ass

[plain gust]

Which chart

[pale snow]

ah just the bigass chart of like horus heresy books and short stories connecting them to their disparate order, im not using it actually as a strict guide im just mostly joking about the nature of all the damn horus heresy stories

[plain gust]

Do not try to follow it in chronological order for the love of all that is sacred

Go by release order

The lexicanum have all of them in order

Worst part for me in the NL Trilogy is that on top of being a bum Talos also refused the chaos gods boons

Like yeah on top of being a stupid useless hypocritical dummy I'm also going in no buffs

Just pure unfiltered schizophrenic bad decisions

[pale snow]

its kinda hilarious

i said it in the other chat but bro weaponized schizophrenia instead of MAGIC

also the fucking chaos god tribunal abaddon puts him through and nurgle just goes "why am i here i dont want this bum"

[plain gust]

I like how the only ones who tried were Slaneesh and Tzeentch

Khorne just showed up, agreed when Talos asked if Uzas was his slave and just stood there

[pale snow]

khorne was content to ragebait

do you think the god of anger and rage is a master ragebaiter

[plain gust]

I really love how its implied its not even some random daemons who went there but the actuak fucking chaos gods

WHY ARE YOU FOUR THERE FOR TALOS

[pale snow]

its like a "shard of their attention" from what was said

i guess ruven put in a good word like "your favorite son abaddon really wants to fuck with this guy pleasssse"

[plain gust]

Lowkey Talos deserved what happened

[pale snow]

highkey even

look he had one job, his dad and everyone told him and he still biffed it

[tacit void]

He’s got the stupid ideals

For which he’s been mocked since 30k lol

[plain gust]

He had the ideals of Unification Wars NL

Not the 30k-40k NL

[pale snow]

which is just

not gonna slide brother

we are not those ghosts no more talos stop tweeting about the nostramo empire and what men could be like now

[tacit void]

Even most of them dgaf by then and he was still being like that bruh

[plain gust]

"I wanted to be a hero" shut yo goofy ass up

We aint gonna slide past that goddamn psyker torture chamber he did on the third book

Talking bout being a hero my ASS

[tacit void]

“I wanan be hero” clogs chain sword killing surrendering civvies at Cheraut

[plain gust]

Hypocrite just like his gene father

[tacit void]

Good mirror almost

[drowsy stone]

https://tenor.com/view/haley-joel-osment-i-see-dead-people-sixth-sense-gif-11333995

Vulkan Lives in a nutshell

[tall phoenix]

Kyme is an amazing author

[cerulean peak]

https://tenor.com/view/solid-snake-vomit-old-snake-vomit-metal-gear-solid-vomit-metal-gear-solid-4-vomit-metal-gear-solid-solid-snake-vomiting-gif-7218066184233870368

[tall phoenix]

LMFAO

again no idea what the hell anyone was thinking reading his 30k stuff

Slopmanders

[severe trail]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GxdjtDdWIAA19YB.gif

[pale snow]

i like the version of this gif where he's exploding

[sonic walrus]

https://i0.wp.com/anthonyspiteri.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/headdesk.gif?fit=200%2C143&ssl=1

[tall phoenix]

[sonic walrus]

Nick kyme read by John Banks.

https://tenor.com/view/kms-shoot-me-belt-gif-14734478

[stable slate]

trying to get true survivor join strike team 11

[trail ravine]

Anyone have any drukhari book recommendations?

[severe trail]

Path of the Dark Eldar

[real folio]

Supposedly Lelith Hesperax queen of knives is a good book too

[severe trail]

Imo it’s

Not a good dark eldar book

Its a good book if you wana read about Lelith

[tall phoenix]

Path of the Dark Eldar is excellent

[tall phoenix]

I mean

her name is on the fucking title isnt it

🥀

[runic root]

I wish she and Sigismund would ever have squared up

[sick axle]

Does anyone here know good books covering Arbites?

[plush kindle]

Shira Calpurnia books are pretty okay. Crossfire, Legacy, and Blind. Omnibus of all three is called Enforcer. By Matthew Farrer. And some of the Warhammer crime books are about local enforcers mostly, but also deal with law enforcement in the Imperium

[sick axle]

Thanks, mate. 🤝

[plush kindle]

[drowsy stone]

Im sorry Vulkan Lives, I wasnt familiar with your game

Loved the bit at the end where he's talking to curze and he's like you forget one thing, it's also a hammer and then uppercuts the living bojangels out of curze and goes to town on him

[snow siren]

I’m of the opinion that happens entirely in Vulkan’s head

[drowsy stone]

Intriquing interpretation, I hadnt thought of that

[tacit void]

Reason being Curze isn’t an absolute dumbass

[snow siren]

I can go into detail but it’s a spoiler for later books

[plain gust]

I also like to think Curze left him being beat on purpose because of kinda wanting his visions to be wrong so he wished Vulkan to escape and kill him but didnt. Just ran away

[tacit void]

That’s not alike to Curze

During the heresy he refused the possibility of them being wrong until he regained his hope (for like one page) in Ruinstorm

[plain gust]

In my mind it makes more sense for someone just as insane as he is to waver here and there

[tacit void]

He’s insane but he’s always been possessed of a faith in immutable fate that is as stubborn as Dorn

That would be the one thing he’d refuse to waver on

[drowsy stone]

First of all through chaos everything is possible, so jot that down

[tacit void]

There was no chaos in him by then

Whether there was near the end at Tsagualsa?

We can wonder

[drowsy stone]

Aww my reference didnt fly

[tacit void]

It is as the Emperor puts it, his belief in immutable fate that drives him, and his sense of innate and yet blind and moral-averse justice

[tacit void]

Mb I am the one in the cave

[drowsy stone]

Is ok

[sonic walrus]

What if... Matt Berry as Eisenhorn

https://tenor.com/view/laszlo-wwdits-laszlo-sweet-cheese-my-homeboy-my-good-time-soldier-gif-3231772232095840682

[snow siren]

Eisenhorn talking about Cherubael

[pale snow]

just makes me think of that clip of him from toast of london where he's going in for an audition as james bond and just fires a live pistol into the room and immediately leaves

[pale snow]

eisenhorn when he does whatever his books are about

[tall phoenix]

holy shit its Lalo Salamanca

[muted cloak]

That's Lol Salamander

He's looking for Werner Herzog

[languid pollen]

Are there any books about thunder warriors?

[severe trail]

Not really

They’re background worldbuilding lore that’s unimportant

If you’ve read the like 3 books they’ve showed up in that’s it

[real folio]

Whats the most obscure space marine chapter that gets lots of play?

[forest spruce]

Kinda of an oxymoron

[severe trail]

Like on the tabletop?

Idfk prolly dark krakens or tome keepers

lol

Since GW gave them a transfer sheet in white dwarf

[tacit void]

Dark Krakens seem to have a decent community too yeah

[languid pollen]

Valdor birth of the imperium?
Whats the other 2?

[severe trail]

The outcast dead and its just that one

Unless you wana get the black books for rulebook lore

In where they’re mentioning book 1 crusade

[languid pollen]

Just read & watched the short story the last church
They were portrayted pretty cool on there

1000 Thunder warriors against a 100k?

https://tenor.com/view/deadlock-abrams-bro-liz-caingcoy-gif-9016105688035124739

[tall phoenix]

I mean its pretty easy work to just gun down people when all of them have bolters lol

[tacit void]

TWs also have the amazing genetic instability to occasionally just keel over and die, which Astartes generally lack

[tall phoenix]

they are basically steroid monsters so

[tacit void]

Their apex roid rage must’ve been terror inducing

[tall phoenix]

lmao

[frigid osprey]

obscure in-lore or irl?

cause in lore its gotta be the carcharodons cause in lore no one has ever seen or heard of them but irl theyre super popular

cause theyre always in deep space

[sonic walrus]

Was thinking that even if they don't get Matt Berry for Eisenhorn, he'd make a great Tobias Maxilla.

[quaint canopy]

I'm almost done with the audio book Avenging Son which came free with the new black library app. I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would. Especially liked the descriptions of administratum life.

[snow siren]

Cato Sicarius for sure

Imagine him saying Roboute Guilliman

[forest spruce]

Avenging son is ok so is gate of bones but almost every other dawn of fire books is bad or eh

Courtesy of dilara

Hand of abbadon is also meh. And the silent king is eh. Because it's not really about the silent king

[tall phoenix]

Its kinda insane how they made such a mid series

[forest spruce]

She sensed her name

Honestly yeah it's very mid.

Oh what about sea of souls I never read it

[tacit void]

Notice how the two ok books are the ones with more Word Bearer Involvement

[sonic walrus]

It's kinda insane how it was so bad yet lasted so long.

[tall phoenix]

it was more or less mandated id reckon, also being imperium centric and on largely marines helps

its just kinda pathetic because we are WAY past the events that happened in all these books, the last one is literally showing Cawl going to the planet in the Great Work which is the plot of a previously released book that came out in 2023

[sonic walrus]

At least it set up the starchild shit.

[tall phoenix]

Kinda

we'll see if they ever touch it again lol

[severe trail]

Sea of souls is basicially unconnected and is one of the best books from dawn of fire, its basicially just a warhammer horror entry

lol

[tall phoenix]

from what i can remember its only "tie" to Dawn of Fire is like... just the admiral mentioning the indomitus fleets off-handedly lmao

[severe trail]

there's like

one semi related guy

iirc

[still rune]

DIS SUM GUD LOGIK

[trail ravine]

Should I read Knights of Macragge or Avenging Son first?

[tall phoenix]

Knights of Maccragge

Avenging Son is boring af

[tacit void]

Kyme writes good UM

[forest spruce]

Def knights

[drowsy stone]

Is there a book that shows what corax was up to after istvan 5

I wanna read about his shadow thingy

And why the hell is curze trapped on lion's flagship all of a sudden

[snow siren]

Prince of Crows

That’s a debate between did Curze get captured on that chunk of the ship or did Curze capture that chunk of the ship

[snow siren]

Deliverance Lost

[snow siren]

That’s set waaaaaaay after the heresy tbf

[drowsy stone]

Awwww

But I will check out deliverance lost and prince of crows atleast

[tacit void]

Prince of Crows is fucking peak

[runic root]

Dunno which book it is from but youll find the excerpts of him kicking Lorgars shit in on reddit. Always a pleasure reading that.

[drowsy stone]

I love when baddies get pummeled

[runic root]

Every single wordbearer deserves death by immolation

[drowsy stone]

Even Narek?

[runic root]

All of them

Especially Kor Phaeron

[plain gust]

Why, for bringing people to the cool side?

[drowsy stone]

Oh I hate his ass

Grrrrrr

[plain gust]

People have to thank the WB for the Heresy existing

[drowsy stone]

Halfstartes

[plain gust]

Let alone chaos factions!

[tacit void]

Smdh

[tacit void]

His face and claws got fucked by Lorgar

[drowsy stone]

I enjoyed kharn absolutely destroying erebus

Immensely

[runic root]

Midstartes. Backstabbing, drooling ass chaos grandpa...

[tacit void]

Erebus betrayed the Gods

Lorgar told Khârn he did it

[drowsy stone]

That's not exactly how it went

He went after erebus cause erebus killed his homie

[runic root]

Yet he still made him run away. Again

[tacit void]

That’s exactly how it went

[plain gust]

Lorgar tells Khârn erebus did it

Because Erebus betrayed the gods

[tacit void]

How would Khârn now Erebus did it otherwise

[plain gust]

Lul

[tacit void]

You do know he didn’t run

[drowsy stone]

Yes and that why he was mad, not because he betrayed the gods

[runic root]

GET. UP.

[drowsy stone]

Because he killed argel tal

[plain gust]

Lorgar didn't care for tal that much

[tacit void]

He stood and fought despite the fact Corax was prophesied to kill him

[tacit void]

He did

[drowsy stone]

Erebus did

Hence the ass whooping

That followed

[tacit void]

Argel was his most beloved son atp

[drowsy stone]

Sorry kgarn

Kharn

[tacit void]

He saw chaos like Lorgar did

[drowsy stone]

Meant kharn

[tacit void]

Grim necessity and truth

[plain gust]

I always thought more of it being hes closer son but he was already more indifferent to shit cause chaos

[runic root]

Yeah, because he had to lest he lose his entire legion to lorgar in the warp. Or do you think there is a single dark apostle strong enough to stop corvus?

[tacit void]

Wdym?

[tacit void]

From the last part in Betrayer he’s genuinely upset

He always felt guilty for letting Ingethel take Argel

[plain gust]

Ingethel was goated tho

Symbiosis relationship go hard

[tacit void]

The Gal Vorbak were sacrificing themselves to try to kill Corax, and Lorgar stood between them and Corax, he may have intended to sacrifice himself

He had been repeatedly warned atp to not fight Corax as it was the one fight fate wouldn’t let him win

[tacit void]

She was, but Argel did not have fun to say the least

[tacit void]

As for the 2nd time Corax and Lorgar fought, he stood between Kalta Ar and the rest of the men to fight Corax on his own

[brittle tapir]

i finally started the last book in the night lords omnibus

it has a very different tone than the rest

so far at least

also i think it does a good job at trying to explain curze's reasoning behind his death

the idea that he killed himself to prove a point about humanity being irredeemable

and i think the book also acknowledges how little sense that makes. it's not a good philosophy

[tacit void]

Yeah in his Primarch book you get the idea Talos was close to the truth

And either way Curze is a complete madman by Tsagualsa so yeah

His philosophy which was already nuts degenerated into pure insanity

[brittle tapir]

what i don't understand is who the skeleton was that was talking to talos at the start of the book during his month long blackout. it speaks to him with a strange amount of grounded reality about talos's worldview and straight up tells him he's a terrible person

[tacit void]

It was their attached Librarian

Remember ol Ruven

In the end Talos even calls him by name

[snow siren]

Sorcerer

He wasn’t a librarian first

[tacit void]

He was actually

Massacre

[snow siren]

Oh snap

He was just a dude in one of the flashbacks

[tacit void]

Strange

[valid jay]

I'm really having a rough time with elemental council I'm only on chapter 5 and I'm totally lost, Im not super well versed on Tau but it throws so many characters at you in such rapid succession I have no idea where we're at or what we're doing

It seems like every half a chapter the book switches perspective

[pale snow]

i finished book one of my re read of nl trilogy and midway through book two im reminded how much the night lords are kinda morons, masters at misinterpreting their fathers message

it's almost comical

like theyre all cheering a recording of curze being like "fuck you all i hope you all die im gonna kill myself now"

im really valuing the comedic value of this re-read the night lords de aurafication is immaculate

chud lords really

[tall phoenix]

Thats basically every 40k book

its something you kinda need to get used to

[brittle tapir]

they gotta pad the 800 pages somehow

[tall phoenix]

300

but yea

[mental cobalt]

has anyone read dan abnetts new Hive book yet

[drowsy urchin]

it's not out yet

it'll come out to pre-order this weekend

[tall phoenix]

^

[mental cobalt]

i just assume once i see a book announced on games workshop, that everyone here has already read it via ebook

or atleast dilara and elitewolf

[tall phoenix]

nah even on pre-orders you gotta wait for the ebook to release on the date

its pretty shitty

[plush kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/thirsty-spongebob-i-dont-need-it-sweat-gif-5031443

[wintry blade]

Wasn’t there a new ork book recently?

[wintry blade]

Sorry to hear that, it’s a very good book, but it’s basically telling like 8 characters stories at once

[tall phoenix]

even i forgot, i think its Warlord of Warlords?

the Ghaz one, i thought it was a reprint of something lol

[severe trail]

Yeah

It’s like

Eh

Not Flowers best work

[tacit void]

They’ve always been a legion of garbage as Curze put it

[final adder]

are his books worth pre ordering or should I just wait till they’re in stores

[trail ravine]

What do I read for Uriel Ventris?

Where to start I mean

[drowsy urchin]

If you want them quick, yes. I'd reckon these will sell really well because people are hungry for original abnett stories

[tacit trail]

Ultramarines Omnibus

Or Nightbringer if you want to do one book at a time

[pale snow]

so now that im soon to finish my nl trilogy re-read i wanna like not make my horus heresy mistake again

so if i am to read more of the chaos legions are there actually books worth a damn post heresy to enjoy

[drowsy urchin]

Lords of Silence is pretty decent

Bile trilogy

Storm of Iron

The Talon of Horus and it's sequel The Black Legion

that's about it I suppose

The Black Legion books are also by ADB, very good

Oh and the Solomon Akurra books are good too, I've not listened the second one yet but I've heard it's good too

[high willow]

Shroud of Night

The Remnant Blade

[cerulean peak]

Good list and I would add the word bearer omnibus to that

[tall phoenix]

also highly recommend Mike Brooks' Alpha Legion books, they are great if you also want a break from your regular serious chaos novels, reading order would be:

• Renegades: Harrowmaster
• The Brightest and Best (Short)
• The Long Promise (Short)
• Ghost Legion

Reading the 2 shorts isnt mandatory but adds more to the ongoing main cast and the head honcho Solomon Akurra

[pale snow]

look i read some fuckass shorts for the horus heresy

anything else is upwards in quality

[tall phoenix]

Lmao trust me they are good, Brooks is a fun writer

[cerulean peak]

How's Ghost Legion? I was unsure if I wanted to spend the time reading it

[tacit void]

Anthony Reynolds is very good
I’d even add the shorts The Tallyman and Vox Dominus to cap off their arc

Is Ahriman’s series good? I’ve been on a Kson bent lately after Sixth Cult of the Denied and Rebirth

[tall phoenix]

Ahriman series is super good but its a long haul of a journey, its like quite a few books beyond a quadrilogy

[tacit void]

I’d say the KS/NL/WB shorts I’ve read have been good, so those are my recs if you feel masochistic

[tacit void]

I think it’s a quintology now lol

Yeah I’m gonna try to get into at some point

[tall phoenix]

As usual VERY fun book, its a bit on the smaller scale but its basically a rare showcase of Alpha Legion/Solomon's cabal of warbands trying to repel a meagre imperial crusade sent to destroy his new realm of sorts

A lot more campaign focused with the characters trying to adapt to the Imperium's crazy ass super-earth tactics, like Twice Dead's dilemma but less depressing, highly recommend

[iron ore]

What warhammer books would you consider to be the grittiest war stories?

[tall phoenix]

Death Rider prob

its basically All Quiet on Western Front with pinches of Black Comedy, another is 15 Hours, literally just guardsmen in a complete shithole with a depressing atmosphere

[wise yew]

is that the krieg book where the author hated the current interpretation?

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it is

extremely recommend

[wise yew]

Oh yeah i think i'm gonna pick that up

[pale snow]

wait wdym he hated the intepretation

[wise yew]

the memes the jokes

the way they are treated in writing

[pale snow]

ah

real

arent kriegers just penitent guys who are good at warfare because they wanna die

cause their planet is under some pennance or something

ive never actually read krieg lore in full i just know they hang out in armageddon a lot and are the blue ones

[wise yew]

Yeah they served a guard as like repentance for the sins of the world

They are an effective siege regiment and they use their numbers to hit really hard with infantry shock assaults after bombardments

they do use trenches and stuff but like they have other tools

And do not use shovels

That's melee weapons unless necessary

[pale snow]

they have bayonets !

why affix them if not to stab!

plus those monomolecular edges are sharp

[wise yew]

Exactly but yeah they are an infantry siege regiment

That won't die nilly nilly

they are strategic and actually smart

Far beyond the interpretation fans like to slap on

[pale snow]

i just sorta had it in my head as like dawn of war terms

bigger morale bar

not like they are dying willy nilly

[wise yew]

Yeah they are hard to morally break and they will fight in a position unless you order them to retreat but wasteful deaths like that aren't good

[oak pollen]

the single dumbest thing they did in lore afaik is shelling a rebel hive city for a decade which was 5 years after the city surrendered and everything in the hive was dead

[pale snow]

seems like a normal guard act though

[oak pollen]

thats a lot of shells to waste on empty buildings

and shells cost more than guardsmen

the more cost effective option would have been to shell the city into surrender, then send in the troops to kill them all

[carmine island]

Don't

Lyons's books aren't very good

[lofty thunder]

100% unbiased source

[carmine island]

1,000%

40,000%

[tall phoenix]

Its true, Lyons writes Krieg in the most boring way imaginable

hes been doing nothing but writing them for over a decade yet still cant do it lol

[fickle temple]

Making money writing trash. That's either heaven or hell depending on the person

I got to act 2 of Trazyn vs Orikan and Im thinking sbout trazyn playing warhammer with actual species

||Did he just imply he can steal the emperor||

[tall phoenix]

Probably

[wintry blade]

I can’t think of one reason he couldn’t

Could probably pull some chronomantic bullshit and just snatch him while custodes are frozen

Or more likely

Just waltz in and grab it in typical flamboyant fashion

[wintry blade]

He probably has done that, I’d be surprised if he hasn’t

[knotty schooner]

I'm writing a Warhammer book (it's fanfic let's be honest) if anyone is interested in reading my rough draft I'd be very appreciative. Feel free to DM me, I'm still working on it currently but I'll get back to you as soon as I get the first five chapters 100% finalized and how I want them in terms of storyboarding and setup, other than might still be some small changes depending on criticism. Please DM me if you're interested!

I've actually created an entire system via coding that essentially 3D maps every single environment that I go into through coded simulation I essentially have created an in depth ai audit system, it was about 700 pages of code I reduced that to 200 recently. I hope this is the kind of group that would be really good at helping me determine how well I did it in terms of translation to writing, any tips that I could use to make the world feel more 40K, as well as overall critiques on the narrative or pacing would be awesome and really appreciated.

I'll give you a brief little summary so you know what you're getting into. you'll follow the main protagonist and his crew of 10 including him, as they go from orphaned void born, born to live and die on the lower decks of the Iron Litany, and follow their journey to becoming legendary outlaws. But how long can peace be maintained in the universe where there is only war, and can Lazarus keep his family safe through hell after hell.

DM me of you want to read it! I'm quite proud. Currently working on a fully functional rough draft with all storyboarding that I needed and involved in there, I'll have a couple of people read it and see if I need to make any changes past that but, what you read I want to be essentially what's going to go into the book when it's finalized, and I'm still finishing up a couple chapters before I do that. I want to at least our chapter 5 done before I have people reading it, currently on chapter 3 and it shouldn't take me too much longer to finish, I already have the full story written out and storyboarded, but actually writing it out is a different beast, and it's hard to predict the workload.

[fossil bridge]

I got Ciaphas Cain Vainglorious the other day

I've always liked the editor's notes from Amberly

[drowsy urchin]

Finished Dredge Runners, fucking loved all the vox adverts in between the chapters

I presume this is just an audio drama? A novella has to be prettu different in the end

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it is just an audio drama

hence all the movie quality touches

[drowsy urchin]

gotcha

[fickle temple]

How is the NL Omnibus

I'll probably buy it

[tall phoenix]

Universally praised, buy it

[tacit void]

Very good buy it

[high willow]

By ADB? The first book turned me off from the rest

[paper maple]

Excellent series, absolutely buy it

[trail ravine]

Is Lucius the Faultless Blade before or after the great rift?

Same question for The Embrace Of Pain

[tacit void]

Faultless blade is after

Don’t think so for the audio drama

[trail ravine]

Ok thanks

[sonic walrus]

This spacewolf looks really weird.

[plain gust]

This feels like AI

[tacit void]

I think it is

[plain gust]

Horrid.

[uneven crane]

Its AI

[paper rivet]

How the average Space Wolf fan sees himself:

[plain gust]

Whats the appeal for that image

Its not even good looking

[paper rivet]

The fuckass sport team wolf stickers are sending me, though.

[azure acorn]

Just reached Act Four of the Infinite and the Divine

Ouuugh

What a book man

When the executioner had said that Serenade was going to undergo Exterminatus for an unknown reason and then the Genestealer that attacked Orikan escaped, I felt my stomach plummet

[tall phoenix]

Those poor innocent imperials 😔

[azure acorn]

Also chad Zmelker with the ork-bone laspistol grips just not getting a prosthetic arm

I respect the aura farm

Same with the officer manning the Taurox in his dress whites

I really love how Rath makes all the factions that show up cool

The Imperials, Exodites, the Orkz, the GSC, even that little sprinkle of AdMech and Drukhari

Luv me Emprah

[forest spruce]

I mean honestly yeah, seranade was in the process of dying but all in all it was a pretty ok world.

[tall phoenix]

[forest spruce]

As far as imperial worlds go it was pretty relaxed. Mfers had coffee and plays

[tacit void]

I mean so did Nostramo

It’s just a matter of where you are at

[tall phoenix]

^

[tacit void]

No fun visiting slum sector seresucks IX

[forest spruce]

I mean there plenty of fun, like drugs hookers and blackjack

[tacit void]

The image of Trazyn and Orikan attempting to do Obscura and look for hookers is funny

[forest spruce]

Come on orikan this is what the terrans call the good shit, I heard they watered this kush with the necrodermis of 36 ctan

Now I want a story about a drug dealer trying to do business while the arbites attempt to tithe his earnings

[knotty schooner]

Hi! I'm writing a Warhammer book (it's fanfic let's be honest) if anyone is interested in reading my rough draft I'd be very appreciative. Feel free to DM me, I'm still working on it currently but I'll get back to you as soon as I get the first five chapters 100% finalized and how I want them in terms of storyboarding and setup, other than there might still be some small changes depending on criticism.

Lazarus was born in the lower arteries of a Voidship, the void shades, his crew of orphaned voidborn, live every day knowing the birthplace of 10 generations would also be their grave. Follow the crew as they go from void rats living in the wall to legendary bounty hunters. Will lazarus keep his friends safe in a universe that only knows war, or will the strings they can't see puppet them to doom.

I mainly looking here for people to check out the early drafts and see if they like the characters and how they feel about the narrative of so far, the more people that I can discuss the book with while I'm writing it the better.

Trying to make this airtight as possible is lore accurate as possible and I have quite a few plot threads I'm trying to set up. been storyboarding and writing Audit code for about a week that has helped keep everything on track, and have almost the whole book story boarded I just need to write it out and execute properly. I'm really exited to see how this comes out and I'm very proud of it. That doesn't mean you shouldn't be critical, I also want this airtight.
It's hard to say much about the characters or what they go through, as the mystery of it is supposed to be a large part of what keeps you reading, on top of the strong characters and how they interact with the world and the others around them. I Love Warhammer because it has a very complex moral system that I explore as a logical train through an emotional journey.
Hopefully this is enough of an explanation to get people interested, thanks for your time.
Please DM me if you're interested!

[smoky bronze]

Finally getting back to the cain books after restarting then pausing halfway through book 1, already 2 bits that are good examples of why comedy aside i think they're great reflections of subtle lore

For one Cain is horrified by the idea of going to war against tau "technosorcery"

He thinks it would be even bloodier than the sabbat worlds despite the smaller scale and hes right

And then shortly after his internal monologue reveals it simply didnt occur to him that a regular urban area on a relatively recently colonized planet wouldn't have an underhive because hes only been in cities that do

[tall phoenix]

To be fair hes basically a privelaged dummy

so it kinda checks out

[smoky bronze]

Idk if its so much privilege as that hives can be battlefields in this case

I have to imagine combat in a traditionally urban area is actually really rare for the imperium

Im mostly just glad an imperial went "holy fuck i don't like what those blue guys do with blinking lights"

I think in a meta sense that makes him the wisest commander in that whole region of space

Thinking further his alleged cowardice means hes immune to the #1 trait of imperial command which is infinite arrogance

Other commissars have full fortresses for theirs i hear

[tall phoenix]

Its mostly because Cain is suppose to be a semi-self aware comedy series, people like ADB basically said its not really something you are suppose to take seriously or consider as accurate representation of stuff in 40k

[smoky bronze]

Yeah also true hes kinda got that pulp media thing where stuff goes right for him just because

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it feels different because this was back in an era where all 40k authors were dead-hard serious about 40k mateiral.

[smoky bronze]

"My gf (yes shes an inquisitor)..." the start of a legendary far future social media post

[tall phoenix]

Nowadays we got some other books that elevate the super grim tone with more comedic stuff

[smoky bronze]

Yeah i think back then they never really leaned into the historically demonstrable fact that people in hellish conditions become funny

[tall phoenix]

Essentially yep, its why books like Brooks ork novels and Rath's trazyn stuff grabbed the fandom by storm because they were just so different tonally.

Now due to that Cain has kinda been entirely sidelined as a mid-2000's 40k character and is just a "oh yeah that meme commissar" dude now lol

[smoky bronze]

For that i really blame the formulaic nature of the series

I think people would care more if like... there was a reason to

Holy shit though GW you are missing a gigantic opportunity if General Sulla isnt fighting in the 500 worlds

[tall phoenix]

Man yeah its one of the reasons I kinda grew to despise the series

every single book is the exact same thing, its kind of insane how much the author gets away with this lol

[smoky bronze]

You've never experienced the horror of chinese pulp fantasy

I like it conceptually but holy shit basically every genre trope sucks

running from someone who wants something you have
get away / trick them / get help
grow stronger and defeat them
immediately chased by someone slightly stronger than the last one
Repeat until the character gets too strong and ascends to a new realm where they're mid tier at best again

End novel after 2500 chapters

And the fans are slopsuckers just like a lot of 40k fans i don't think ive seen a rating below 40% on the site i use

<70% i won't even look

[sonic walrus]

That image is the cover for some shitty sci-fi book

[severe trail]

500 shitty wuxia novels

[smoky bronze]

I only read xianxia which is kinda like the high fantasy cousin but yeah

Xianxia protagonists usually have more of a moral compass than wuxia ones among other things though lol

[hollow bay]

Anybody else get their Hive preorders in today before they sold out?

[tall phoenix]

FUCK

[severe trail]

I’m buying digital

[tall phoenix]

I was planning to get physical lmao

[severe trail]

Big rip

[tall phoenix]

Welp back to digital

[hollow bay]

I mean there’s always ebay 😂😂

Literally three times retail is fucking insane though

[tall phoenix]

Jesus christ lmao

ALREADY?

these mfers are crazy

[hollow bay]

4 sold 😭

[tall phoenix]

AINT NO WAY

yeah nvm im entirely sticking digital, thats insane

[frigid osprey]

yer fuck that shit

i didnt even log in

pisses me off that ppl actually buy from these creeps

(scalpers not GW~)

[hollow bay]

Yeah who has 226$ to throw at a 65$ book like what

[frigid osprey]

yeah they need to get a grip

[tall phoenix]

actual drug addict behavior 😭

[hollow bay]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

“Y’all got any copies of Hive”

[paper rivet]

It's just plastic surrounding paper, dawg--
The audacity!

[hollow bay]

And with GW's recent QC issues, it might not even be that 😪

[severe trail]

Kill all scalpers

[paper rivet]

Semi-recently had a patient I needed to bring over to the OR.
Sweetest gal.
Brought her back to her room after her amputation.
The reason why she needed the arm removed?

She was trying to sell Pokémon cards. Some scalper scumbag took a blowtorch to her arm. Her arm was burnt so bad that it had to go.

None of you hate scalpers enough.

[tall phoenix]

WHAT

What in the actual fuck, that is like actual mob behavior 💀

[paper rivet]

If only.
It's just Vegas behavior.

[severe trail]

Nah someone got killed over that shit recently

as well somewhere else in the US

[paper rivet]

Such a civilized land.

[hollow bay]

So does anyone else think Hive might be an amalgamation of the story ideas that Dan Abnett originally had for Darktide? You know, before they relegated him to just writing the dialogue?

the synopsis just seems to be remarkably similar to the base assumptions about Tertium

[tall phoenix]

This idea ironically has been passed around quite a bit but i very much doubt it. Planetary rebellions are constant in 40k and this is likely a coincidence, Abnett also has incredible amount of clout in BL and just does what he wants largely so i think this is an original story.

I WILL say however it will prob have some goofy ass twist chaos ending tying it to Eisenhorn, thats my only 2 bucks bet lmao

[severe trail]

I will be shocked if it doesn’t

[tall phoenix]

Abnett's involvement in Darktide is ironically not that much because they very obviously just brought him in for background lore and let him go.

Just like with Vermintide 1 and Vermintide 2 its Matt Ward thats been doing all the heavylifting for four years now.

(And hes still actively helping with the lore, banter and other stuff lol)

[severe trail]

The yapping

[tall phoenix]

peak yapping, bro has a serious talent

[severe trail]

Ngl I do prefer vt1’s dialogue variety to VT2’s slightly

But VT2 has way more

Except I keep on hearing about poggers bridge

[tall phoenix]

Darktide is also a marvel, it had like 7 BL writers for it but Ward is still keeping it going with the DLC characters voicelines and banters as well

[hollow bay]

the two part nature of it is the only thing that really gives me pause, he's so prolific, it's like he just had this sitting around extraneously, and it wouldn't surprise me if the fews years since darktide's release allowed for him to expand what he orginally was planning, and pivot that into another novel, or two lol. Idk, im very much looking forward to reading it.

[severe trail]

Honestly

I’m ngl

I kind of wish Fatshark didn’t do build a character

But fucking whatever lol

[tall phoenix]

Nah its 100% original, Abnett is way too much of a boomer to care about stuff relegating Darktide

as me and Elite guessed its absolutely gonna tie into eisenhorn

Abnett has not made an original story ever that isnt Sabbat Worlds or Eisenhorn

like every book he has made in the last 30 years lol

[severe trail]

I’m all in on eisenhorn

[hollow bay]

which is why it wouldnt be so far fetched that he took his darktide ideas and put it into this

[tall phoenix]

I doubt it tbh

Darktide's planet plot isnt that complex

okay well it kinda is but it all came after Abnett lol

Ward did like basically everything we know rn

[hollow bay]

We'll see, i bet Hive ends up having some fairly analogous plot points, but that's just me.

[hollow bay]

Im all in on the Eisenhorn show finally releasing and ending so we can then get the release of Pandemonium.

[sonic walrus]

Also, John Noble for Uber Aemos.

[tacit void]

Rami Malek for Teke

[sonic walrus]

But what about

[frigid osprey]

speaking of which, is Hive a sabbat worlds one?

[tall phoenix]

We literally do not know

thats what we were saying last night about it, its likely either Sabbat or Eisenhorn because Abnett has not done a single original novel in modern 40k that isnt tied to his series'

[frigid osprey]

yer im just reading thru

Hive 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

2 weeks bros its gonna be mega

[tall phoenix]

Its why im betting 2 bucks its just gonna be like

mostly an original story, then a eisenhorn character is gonna show up at the end and say an MCU one-liner

[frigid osprey]

i really fuckin hope not

but then it is in this weird 2-part format so id expect some shenanigans

[tall phoenix]

Yeah uh I got bad news

he did this exact thing in his Siege novels lol

like... where just some Cognitae characters just show up out of nowhere???

Its so fucking funny too

[frigid osprey]

siege is so much more sloppy than what i hope hive is

[tall phoenix]

"Hey whats your name?"
"Its...........Lilean Chase."

DUN DUN DUUUUUUN

[frigid osprey]

i want gritty hive not sloppy hive

[tall phoenix]

I was like huh?

[frigid osprey]

hive should be self-contained cause thats what a hive is

[tall phoenix]

Lmao im hoping so but its Abnett

hes a marvel writer, he cannot resist his crossovers

im gonna bet that this is some setup for Pandaemonium at like the last few pages

he has never written a self-contained story for the last 30 years lol

[drowsy urchin]

Brothers of the snake was pretty self contained

though later brought a single marine from that chapter to a Ravenor book

[tall phoenix]

thats just an outlier marine novel

meanwhile his other Iron Snakes novels both take place on the sabbat worlds

[tacit void]

This works too

[smoky bronze]

The final line of hive:
"And then many systems away alzibeth bequin woke up from a very long nap"

[tall phoenix]

If this happens im gonna fucking scream i swear

[plain gust]

Like all the MCU fans when crossovering...?

[tall phoenix]

Abnett used to/sometimes writes for Marvel comics..............

[plain gust]

Yeah thats the joke
You said you were gonna scream if Abnett pulled a MCU crossover thing and I joked about MCU fans screaming over pointless crossovers

Smh

[tall phoenix]

The Lion will return.... in Avengers Doomsday....

[plain gust]

Rogal Dorn will return... in Avengers Doomsday... with his fist... his Imperial Fist...

[tacit void]

Can’t believe that comes from the same story where we find out the person he’s most afraid of in the whole universe

Is some loon with batwings

[frigid osprey]

if by sometimes writes for marvel u mean a lot

dan abnett is something like the 3rd most published comic author of all time

like genuinely

its crazy that he has like 2 full careers

that are kind of separate

[tall phoenix]

Yeah he has like an entire life of this stuff outside of 40k

guy has been around writing shit for like 2000AD

i was jumpscared once seeing his name as one of the writers on Alien Isolation lol

[frigid osprey]

i think he was with Marvel UK since basically the start

[tall phoenix]

Yeah hes a proper industry veteran

[plain gust]

Dan Abnett out there doing random side quests, writing shit that just slightly interests him

And I'm all here for it, call me a chud but I love the mans writing

[tall phoenix]

His writing is good when it isnt imperial slopaganda

[plain gust]

Watch him write the Iron Dome and make it a Imperial Fist honorable sacrifice instead of them blindly falling into a trap and getting almost extinct because Rogal Dorn is a lobotomite

[tall phoenix]

its not gonna be him but whatever author writes it will absolutely do that and make it some dramatic ahh last stand as the IW gun them down

the HH books love wanking IF lol

[tacit void]

Something like Rogal knew and didn’t care coz he was too angry to

Hope they don’t retcon that

[cerulean peak]

Please no

[plain gust]

After doing some digging it might because they used to be the old-poster boys? There used to be a big period where Alexis Pollum(? Idk how to write his name) had the title of Regent of the Imperium right until Guilliman woke up and took it back to himself

[tacit void]

I’d love to see the IF honourably charge fortifications to their deaths

[tacit void]

Crimson Fists used to be iirc

[plain gust]

They probably will, tbh

[tacit void]

Alexis Pollux, the Crimson Fist, was their Founding Chapter Master

[plain gust]

Gonna make him cold logistical cunt they want him to be

[tacit void]

And he was fucking huge, and also top 10 marine naval commander

[tacit void]

So far Wraight has kept the rage on track in AotI at least

Please gods of chaos give it to MacNeill or smth

[tall phoenix]

nah its just author favoritism

the loyalists in HH are solely heroes because the authors just love doing that shit instead of throwing some greyness to them

its why most of Siege is just Le Epic last stands and other nonsense

[tacit void]

Especially French iirc

For IF

[plain gust]

I mean I kinda dig the epic last stand the Siege has because its the "golden era of the Imperium" falling

[tacit void]

I guess it defo is gonna be an epic last stand

But a lot is written with loyalist favouritism

Like le epic Sigismund stab Fulgrim and not die

[tall phoenix]

[tacit void]

And the whole dimming of Mortarion

To make him more evil

[plain gust]

I hope they don't because it would be better to make the Great Scouring be bleak and filled with bitterness in all sides after the fucked event of the Siege of Terra

[tacit void]

I mean he already was but like even more

[tacit void]

That’s what Wraight seems to be trying

And I hope he keeps it thataway

[tall phoenix]

as DG fans have said Mortarion is like a different character in every appearance

guy goes from honorable evil bastrd to "MUAHAHA ILL TURN YOU INTO A ZOMBIE GAROU"

like okay man you do you lmao

[cerulean peak]

he is

[tacit void]

I am sort of one

And yeah he just

Like authors have to write over each other to just try to keep him one character

[cerulean peak]

His worst appearance is the one in ||Chaosgate||

[tacit void]

Wraight and Haley overwriting Swallow and MacNeill
MacNeill overwriting Swallow
Annandale overwriting everyone iirc

[tall phoenix]

Yeah and its very obvious even tho they advertise it oppositely that no author checks in with the other that much over the characterisation of these things lmao

[tacit void]

They didn’t even try

MUAHAHHAHA KADEX IM FUCKING EVIL

[tall phoenix]

Siege is prob the most obvious one where they make it sound like ist a collaborative effort when every book contradicts the previous one

[plain gust]

This has done damage to so many characters, biggest ones are Emps and Mortarion

[tall phoenix]

the best part of that whole thing was it came out during the Morbius meme-craze so when Mortarion said "THE MORBUS IS AT HAND" I was clapping my hands like crazy

[tacit void]

2nd worst would be in Vengeful Spirit where he just kills his kids like it’s nothing (despite the fact it’s like the one redeeming thing that he loves them), at least Wraight overwrote that

[tacit void]

Who wrote Chaos Gate😢

Did Jaghatai Khan write it or smth

[tall phoenix]

ADB

[tacit void]

[tall phoenix]

[plain gust]

Mortarions entire reputation has been ruined by both inconsistent writers and memelore
Now only see him as a edgy teenager who doesn't stop complaining instead of the actual powerful figure he is

[cerulean peak]

https://tenor.com/view/morbius-im-about-to-morb-its-morbin-time-morbius-sweep-marvel-gif-25782014

[plain gust]

"Its just chaos madness, bro!"

[tacit void]

I guess we know who his least favourite Primarch is

[tall phoenix]

Dont forget hes also the traitor primarch with the biggest lose-streak

he has lost like 6-8 times

😭

[tacit void]

Every time he’s killed another Primarch said Primarch has returned to life by Deus Ex Machina

[cerulean peak]

He defeated daemon peter turbo 🙂

i think that's all

[tacit void]

Remember when Ward wrote him getting banished like a chump, and then Haley had to go rewrite everything in that one Audio Drama

[plain gust]

Be born in a planet where resilience is your biggest thing, make your legion have the same opinion where tanking over damage is sign of superiority
Be the biggest loser of all your brothers

[tacit void]

He killed khan and Guilliman

[cerulean peak]

they both got deus ex'd and clapped him

[tacit void]

Then both times the emperor literally does that

I know he was somewhat nicer to Morty among some of the other traitors

But like what the fuck dude

[plain gust]

I lowkey would be totally fine if they retconned Mortarions entire existence atp, bro is the Invincible of 40k

Washed ass primarch

[tacit void]

He’s literally going from Doomed Liberator to Loser Asshat and back and forth several times in the same series

But DG fans would kill you because his highs have been pretty high for them

And unlike all the others he possibly probably still actually loves his kids

[plain gust]

This comes to show love is weakness
The more you love your legion, the weaker you are and more prone to failure

Iron Warrior sweep

[tacit void]

[tall phoenix]

Mark goes up against people way more stronger than him and still survives and kicks their ass later tho, thats the entire ironic reason why his name is Invincible

Morty just loses

and like... thats it lol

[tacit void]

At least he’s got the winning smile still

For now

[plain gust]

I HAVE RISEN TO POWER UNSEEN BY MANKIND
PERISH, YOU WEAK-

[cerulean peak]

He loses because GW hates him

[plain gust]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-gif-14045034474609156911

[tall phoenix]

that too

[cerulean peak]

he's just there to make the marie sues look good

ahem GK

[tacit void]

At least Mortarion’s Heart made it easier to stomach

He kills the predecessor in one little flesh wound and he almost killed Draigo

Still hate it

[plain gust]

He's like the Baki side characters
First arc theyre powerful as fuck until Baki wins against them. Next arc they show up to get defeated by the new big main villain to show how powerful he is

[cerulean peak]

this story is horrible

should be erased

[tacit void]

I think it came from the GK Codex in uh

5E?

At least Haley doesn’t hate Mortarion as much as Ward and made a little easier to stomach

[smoky bronze]

I think kaldor draigo being able to carve legible text with an extended sword is kinda like a super power

Unless his force weapon let him disney channel it

[iron ore]

how is ashes of the imperium?

[tall phoenix]

Pretty good/ok id say

[tacit void]

It’s good

[hollow bay]

About to start David Annadale's Apostle, anybody else read it yet?

[shy lark]

Mildly enjoyed it, has some really fun moments

[tacit void]

Same here

If you like Word Bearers you’ll get more of a kick

[hollow bay]

I'm hopeful, Annandale does Chaos really well

[tacit void]

His WB have always been fine and he’s delivered alright worbles yet again imo

[tall phoenix]

Its not a great book but still a good read yeah

the ending is extremely eh but otherwise okay

[tacit void]

Sequelbaiting

It’s like

I feel like we aren’t getting any sequels for this save maybe some short story but they keep doing it

[tall phoenix]

yeah 40k books barely get sequels unless its popular lol

depends a lot on author clout as well

[tacit void]

Even for the clout authors it’s like uhhhh

Wraight and ADB are never finishing Watchers and Black Legion coz of workload sadly

[tacit void]

Apostle was popular among WB fans but ain’t no way it’s popular enough to mandate a sequel💔

[tall phoenix]

😭

[tall phoenix]

Also yeah those guys CANNOT lock in

🥀

like its been so long that at this point its become "why even continue the series anymore"

[tacit void]

Watchers imo is on life support but yea Black Legion had its funeral ages ago

[tall phoenix]

yeah the moment you take so long that the Horus Heresy has finished its time to take some recollections i think lmao

[brittle tapir]

any HH books that have a prominent blackshield presence?

[hollow bay]

I want the third installment of Watchers of the Throne so fucking bad

[tacit void]

The novella Blackshield

[tacit void]

Someday…

[hollow bay]

they were literally the first two books I read on digital because I could not procure copies to save my life.

[forest spruce]

I'd love watchers three

[severe trail]

good or bad

find out

[tall phoenix]

Im betting on Bad because Jude Reid. One of the Writers of all time.

[severe trail]

it'll have insanely indepth gore

As her novels tend to have

I do not need to read about the fat leaking out of someones shattered fucking arm

[tall phoenix]

Lmao i just wish she wrote good novels, its insane how many novels she vomits out but they are the most formulaic shit ever

[severe trail]

yeah

[cerulean peak]

Litteral who?

[severe trail]

Trauma surgeon who also writes 40k books

I’m deadass that’s her actual job

She’s a fucking trauma surgeon lol

[cerulean peak]

Just look up her works and it's all ??? titles or mid stuff

[severe trail]

Which explains the excessive gore in like

Everything she writes lmao

[cerulean peak]

Like Dilara posted: Always bet on mid

[cerulean peak]

Is it a weird case of self insert 🤔

[severe trail]

No, she just gets really detailed with injuries and the aftermath of it lol

Like I do not need to read about the yellowish fat leaking from someone’s fucking disemboweled body thanks lol

[shy lark]

coward

I enjoy her prose tbh, the stories just need a leg up

[plain gust]

Weakling

[tall phoenix]

saying this like thats a problem with her novels

i need her to write an actually good book first

lmao

[paper rivet]

She undoubtedly takes pics of injuries on her personal phone.
Giggling and shitting her way down the OR halls.

Everyone on the floor is perfectly sane and respectful of patients.

[wise yew]

the way i'm hearing about her she seems to be the Michael Bay of black library

Except replace the explosions with gore

[runic root]

Currently reading halfway through the fall of cadia.

Creed is such a sassy pants

Gives regimental confessor a gun and shoo's him onto the wall

[tall phoenix]

hes basically 40k Churchill its great lol

[runic root]

He even has his alcoholism

And his aide needs to drug him in order for him to get to sleep

[muted cloak]

Churchill found the STC to make the Churchill tank

[smoky bronze]

Every doctor i know does this for anything "interesting" lmao

Ive seen some "interesting" xrays on discord

[runic root]

Book finished

Cadia stands 🥲😭

Also, i love trazyn. What an asshole

[fickle temple]

cadia falls

how can cadia stand? it doesn't even have legs

[icy cliff]

something something cadians cadia 10000 cadians everywhere or something

overused award

[tacit void]

Chem Dogs superior regiment

[sick axle]

Almost done with the Ravenor trilogy.

Lowkey like it better than Eisenhorn.

[tacit trail]

Im wondering if I should start Ravenor or Gaunt's Ghosts

[tall phoenix]

Ravenor

G.Ghost is like 10+ books long lol

and its still technically "ongoing" for like the last 20 years now

[smoky bronze]

If you're going to read ghosts break it up by omnibus or you'll burn out lol

The novels are different from each other though its got that over cain

[tacit trail]

I liked the first cain book a lot but i dont know if i could just read basically the same type of story over and over

thats what i've heard the cain series is like at least

[cerulean peak]

They are all the same. I recommend spacing out the books and reading something else between them

[tall phoenix]

^

Cain books are not really worth a full-read imo

[cerulean peak]

His best are the short stories

[tacit void]

I use Cain books as palate cleansers

You read one after reading a lot of other shit and then you forget about him for a long while

[smoky bronze]

Honestly decent use
Would take forever to get through them all but that's not the point

40k as presented by most sources

40k as presented by the cain novels

[fickle temple]

eggman

[sick axle]

I'd say Ravenor.

Get the Omnibus and boom that's it.

Only downside is, the Bequin novels (the continuation/conclusion to Dan Abnett's Inquisition series) is hard to get.

Physically atleast.

So many scalpers selling Pariah.

[cerulean peak]

Just wait a few years for the last bequin novel to be release then either they dona reprint run of the first novels or they print the bequin omnibus

[tall phoenix]

That shit is getting sold out Hour 1

[sick axle]

You lost me at just wait a few years

[forest spruce]

The bequin book is finished as far as we know it just needs to be approved.

Chris wraight, release watches of the throne book three and my life is yours!!!!!

[tacit trail]

I wonder what that would be about

I enjoyed the first two, especially the second one

[forest spruce]

I'd imagine it'd be about valerian hunting down threats to the throne world that are off world.

He does have the splintered still to hunt rements down from

But I doubt that'd be the plot of the whole book.

Probably be what he's doing in the prologue

[tall phoenix]

Yeah GW is holding it off for marketing/commercial reasons is the only guess we got

as Abnett basically says its out of his hands which makes it connect entirely to GW, as Joseph said we know the book is done at least

[forest spruce]

Maybe they'll drop it with an eldar refresh

https://tenor.com/view/thats-okay-coping-technology-connections-gif-20618705

[wide mica]

Bro you just got two Eldar refreshes in a single edition

Dark Eldars turn

[forest spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-20591327

Elves are elves

[wide mica]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[forest spruce]

Lol

[sonic walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/tales-of-heresy-kldpro-vesp-eldar-gif-16165922775068830187

[fickle temple]

Is that technology connections

It is

I feel like he'd be a reclaimator or something.

Is there any other name for tech priests who have a thing for hunting old technology

Because he made the most interesting video about an old fridge

What are good books on admech

I swear to god i'll read all these books..

[slow elm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/luna-cat-6

Peak

Immediate buy when it comes out

[tall phoenix]

🫡

[slow elm]

I need more of Aleya

She’s funny asf

[forest spruce]

She's so jaded

[drowsy urchin]

Finished 15 Hours yesterday, what an excellent book. But it just goes to show how illiterate the average 40k fan is, the 15 hours average doesn't apply to all guardsmen across the imperium like so many people like to say, like what the hell? It's so obviously just for that singular theater and after more than a decade of a stalemate

[snow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/yup-dale-doback-step-brothers-yes-i-agree-gif-1579811350903017250

[pale vapor]

Hi everyone, this might be a long shot, but I’m looking for the paperback or hardcover edition of Rites of Passage by Mike Brooks 👀 If anyone has a copy they’re looking to get ride of or sell, please don’t hesitate to let me know (I'm in Australia and it's out of stock everywhere around here 🥲 )

[tall phoenix]

Im not sure if you could get one in any luck ngl

physical 40k media is torture 💀

[pale vapor]

I've just realised that 🥲 until now I had always borrowed the 40k novels from friends or bought the ebook versions, so I didn’t expect it to be such a struggle to get my hands on, and actually buy, a physical copy 💀

[drowsy urchin]

they do reprints on some books every now and then but it's not a given

[wide mica]

You might get lucky finds in a resale shop, I hit the holy grail and found a hardback copy of Honourbound in Cashies

But yea finding out of print Warhammer novels is hens teeth

[sick axle]

Planning on getting this

Yay or nay? Is it worth the effort

[tacit void]

Big yay

[tall phoenix]

Extreme yay

its Robert Rath so an instant W but the novel itself is very fun and a great read

[iron ore]

That book goes so hard

Such a fun time

Doesn’t feel like your usual grimdark slop

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the book is very good in that regard, its very rompy and filled with dark comedy which i liked more lol

[iron ore]

The ending battle is just fantastic

I’ve had a hard time finding a warhammer book that moves me quite like galaxy in flames did

[forest spruce]

That's one of the best books

[sick axle]

Bet, thanks lads.

[digital ether]

Feeling fantabulous. The wait is over. :D

[tall phoenix]

On one hand kickass product but on the other hand thats prob one of the worst HH stuff ive ever read

[digital ether]

Fair

But it’s here, and it’s all that matters :D

[tall phoenix]

Yeah and it will look good on a bookshelf

[digital ether]

My crowning end book to my Horus Heresy collection.

[tall phoenix]

yeah exactly lol

[digital ether]

Now I just need the other 32

[tall phoenix]

OOF

https://klipy.com/gifs/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-funny--k01KR749DDKB26R2RNXZA97ZY5E

[boreal thunder]

Another day another Dollar, knowwhatimean?

[digital ether]

Yes

[forest spruce]

Warlord of warlords is pretty good so far

Denny once again cooking

[fickle temple]

Holy fuck I thought you meant yet another philosophy book

Good shit

[azure acorn]

Finally finished the Infinite and the Divine

Peak

Actually teared up a little at ||the Exodite Eldar and the farseer returning in the final fight||

The Epilogue is dogshit though

Five pages and feels so tacked-on

[gusty marlin]

ciaphias cain is so silly

[final adder]

💀

[tall phoenix]

"probably" is crazy 💀

[muted cloak]

smug khornate

[tacit trail]

Is there a read order to warhammer crime or is every novel standalone?

[tall phoenix]

KIND OF but its not that crucial, basically with each novel/anthology they released you can sometimes go "Oh hey its that guy from that one story!"

They are all very much largely stand-alone

[cerulean peak]

😩Deathstorm and Shadow of the leviathan were so boring. I really enjoyed The Last Days of Ector

I'm sorry Josh Reynolds

[tall phoenix]

you were warned

[cerulean peak]

At least Guy Haley hasn't let me down

[plain gust]

Right now I'm starting to read the Gildar Rift
Interesting start, Correlan is by far my favorite

[weak python]

Need to sit down and finally start the Grotsnik book since I heard very good things about it.

Book centered around the Orks? I'm opening the wallet every time.

[mellow knot]

Correlan the snarky tech-marine was, and always will be, my very favourite creation.

[plain gust]

I appreciate you writing him because he'sd LITERALLY ME

[mellow knot]

He may or may not be very reflective of my personality also. 😄

[hybrid turtle]

yeah it has a surprising amount of depth too for orks, going into themes of purpose and identity

[coral condor]

You wrote Gildar Rift? That was unironically the first 40k book I ever read, found it by accident at my local book store back when it first came out

Its been all downhill from there

[mellow knot]

I did!

[coral condor]

Loved it, i still have it around somewhere

[mellow knot]

Thank you, I appreciate it 🙂

[coral condor]

o7

[plain gust]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-gif-18906611

[tacit trail]

Vin diesel is huron