40k-book-club

[autumn willow]

The Golden skull skin mention unique job

[autumn willow]

I assumed born on krieg cause the text never contradict it

[tall phoenix]

[fickle scroll]

the warp is wack

[tacit void]

Endless Possibility

[autumn willow]

Artist:TakuTaco
Elysian Ogryns and deep strike soon

[fickle scroll]

speaking of the schola

[autumn willow]

(Dilara finally bought Golden Skull Elysian skin)

[slow elm]

One of the things I despise about dan abnet is the constant use of the numbers 6 and 7

[tall phoenix]

[fickle scroll]

I recently read a book where the new alpha legion dude, Salmon or smth went to one to gather his new recruits

[tacit void]

Ah Solomon

[drowsy urchin]

Salmon

[tall phoenix]

Solomon Akura

[autumn willow]

Alpha Legion is very scattered

[tall phoenix]

this generation is cooked

[tacit void]

Yeah scholae get raided for recruits

[fickle scroll]

yeah names are hard

[autumn willow]

Its like dow i again

[fickle scroll]

how so?

[tall phoenix]

Solomon = Salmon

[fickle scroll]

I got in the ballpark

[tall phoenix]

banned

[autumn willow]

What if Hunger kicks in

[tall phoenix]

🫡

[tacit void]

The Newborn from the UM Omnibus was also

[tall phoenix]

What if i snap your spine

[autumn willow]

[fickle scroll]

the skinless?

[slow elm]

What if I eat you

[tacit void]

He was originally Commissar in training Samuquan but he became an Iron Warrior

[tall phoenix]

https://klipy.com/gifs/dog-blown-away-1

AAA-

[tacit void]

No, the IW with Ventris' gene seed

[fickle scroll]

ooooh

but yeah, very exited for the new Alpha legion books, I like Solomon and his wacky adventures

and ofc the space hulk

[autumn willow]

Elysian Ogryns are kinda funny

[slow elm]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-eat-cat-eating-kitten-kitten-eat-gif-27051616

[tacit void]

I'm excited for Apostle

[autumn willow]

Imagine Paratoopers regiment of just ogryns

Like the entire sky is filled with ogryns

[fickle scroll]

is that the next one?

[tacit void]

No its a Word Bearer Book coming out soon

[autumn willow]

Word Bearers

[fickle scroll]

it is out no?

[autumn willow]

Next week?

[tacit void]

Next week i think

[fickle scroll]

with the dude vs the temple planet

[slow elm]

Probably wouldn’t even need chutes, or know how to use one

[tacit void]

Well uh its not at the LGS so idts

[autumn willow]

Canonically they use Grav chutes

[fickle scroll]

13th

[tacit void]

Funnily enough Cerastes is from Legitur

[fickle scroll]

yeah I read the synopsis

[tacit void]

Well fuck of course its out when im at work

[autumn willow]

RIP Eliphas

He is black legion now

[fickle scroll]

the Iron Snake books are very nice too

[tacit void]

The Inheritor was a failure

He never deserved his position

[autumn willow]

yeah, he always inherit it

never got it fair and square

[tacit void]

Never earned

We never let him forget it

[autumn willow]

yup and thats why Lorgar calls him Inheritor

He will never earn his place

[tacit void]

A failure

[autumn willow]

He will always be the inheritor

[autumn willow]

Getting bullied for 3 games

(Also relic have this very weird obsession that Alpha Legion will always be in a dawn of war game)

(They’re the most used legion)

[fickle scroll]

yeah, but almost never with their sneaky stuff

[autumn willow]

Ironically Relic kinda still made them “Lore Accurate”. I remember new alpha legion books have many new warbands dont know their true objectives

[tacit void]

They don't have to sneaky though tbf

The Legion is dead

They can be whatever they want

[autumn willow]

Unless its those minority of members who knew their objective from the HH

[tacit void]

Alpharius didn't even leave a culture for them

[fickle scroll]

true, but there would be factions that would fit better I feel

[autumn willow]

Current AL are just So broken they dont know their culture

[tacit void]

Unlike Nostramo

[autumn willow]

I agree yeah

[autumn willow]

Kinda and closest one is How they took care of their Human Agents and doctrines for long term planning

[fickle scroll]

you're right, it just hurts me

[autumn willow]

that the closest culture they got

[tacit void]

That's just the Serpent's Teeth and the Redacted as far we know tho

[snow siren]

Not true, their culture was the plot of Now You See Me

[autumn willow]

It was mentioned on the codex iirc

[tacit void]

I doubt Bale or Raelin Amram care for their human underlings

[fickle scroll]

Redacted is a baller name tho

[autumn willow]

But yeah Serpent and Redacted have those traits

[tacit void]

They use alot i think it said

Not that they have to be just to them

Ill check later regardless

[tacit void]

It probably also hurts all the heresy vets who can still find it in their hearts to care

Kassar probably

[autumn willow]

Its a legion trait in the codex yes BUT we have novels finally who portrayed them

[tacit void]

There was Arkos the Faithless who just used them as fodder at Vraks

Arkos is a heresy veteran too

Alpharius' Equerry no less

[autumn willow]

yes

[autumn willow]

Speaking of Arkos

shit thanks for reminding me

Because it was super weird he never had any appearances

💀 💀

[tacit void]

Head of the Hydra

[autumn willow]

Like he was super important in vraks and canonically have a backstory that can make sense in HH but never expanded

[tall phoenix]

Bronx he was literally made up for a rulebook like most chaos characters

it isnt that deep bro

lmao

[tacit void]

He was in Head of the Hydra

[autumn willow]

I would imagine some get fleshed out like Some of the characters

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but again he isnt some massive character

[tall phoenix]

Why though

[autumn willow]

I swear there are some rulebook characters who get them

[tacit void]

He may have not been mentioned by name in the Serpent Beneath

[tacit void]

But possibly present as the Equerry of Alpharius (his job)

[autumn willow]

More POV from different characters and their adventure as it transitions into 40K

i see some potential though story wise

[tall phoenix]

Again, why is this needed

[autumn willow]

[tall phoenix]

leave HH slop where it is

we got enough marine characters lol

[tacit void]

Blud Arkos is already in HH slop

[fickle scroll]

I need more Grammaticus

[tacit void]

Blud kill this one

[autumn willow]

which book?

[tacit void]

Head of the Hydra

He was Alpharius' Equerry, he was there to tell him Horus called him to the war council

Maybe im tripping

[autumn willow]

alright

will check and thanks pal

[tacit void]

Np i could be wrong

[autumn willow]

its fine

[tacit void]

[slow elm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814962822286802955/1466105003528949760/caption-1-1.gif

[slow elm]

I need me some more cool named custodes characters

Preferably solar watch

There only is like 3 reoccurring custodes characters

In 40K at least

[autumn willow]

True

Dan should make morbillion novels with POV from Grammaticus

[fickle scroll]

I guess people aren't a fan of grammaticus

[shy lark]

On the whole while he by himself might be a likeable character enough it's the whole deal surrounding him I really don't like

Then again I'm an oldhead so I hate the HH, naturally

[tall phoenix]

Hating grammaticus is pretty well-known tbh

its like one of the biggest HH memes even its readers agree on lol

[forest spruce]

Jg should have the most horrific death in warhammer

[tall phoenix]

||tbh hes stuck in a literal timeloop so thats prob most you can get||

[forest spruce]

(good)

He must never escape

[smoky bronze]

Grammaticus is kinda cool in the first book hes in and then he "dies for real" at the end except he doesn't and we all regret it

[fickle scroll]

hahahah

[unborn merlin]

John killing ||Martin Luther King Jr|| is the funniest thing in all of 40k.

[tacit void]

Wasnt that Damon Prytanis or am i tripping

[unborn merlin]

It was Johnny boy. Abnett said fuck it we ball right at the start of the HH.

[tacit void]

I couldve sworn it was Damon Prytanis from Unremembered Empire

But idk so uh

Damn jon

Having been alive for untold lifetimes, shortly after the Battle of Iwo Jima he was recruited by the Cabal and worked as an assassin throughout history. His targets included those the Cabal considered good men who needed to die, among them "the Good Man" in Memphis and "the Brother" a thousand years later in the City of Angels, Holiard in the Glass Temple of Manunkind in M19, and Maser Hassan in the Spire Terrace in M22 before his Word of the Law speech. In the final years of the Age of Strife, Prytanis slew Narthan Dume, somebody he emphatically decided was not a good man.

Grabbed off Lexi

It was Damon

John wasnt a perpetual before the Unification Wars

Dr. King was the Good Man presumably

[slow elm]

Bahahahah what 😭😭😭

[autumn willow]

its a big spoilers in the book

it legit happened but a split second flashback

[slow elm]

Warhammer lore is crazy sometimes

[slow elm]

Like the emperor being Alexander the Great

And by extension

Gay/bi

[tacit void]

It was Damon not John

John hadnt been alive for it

Unremembered Empire Chapter 7 i think

[mental cobalt]

Does the scouring have the iron cage or will that come in later books

[tall phoenix]

Later. Its gonna be an entire series.

[autumn willow]

later books

[tall phoenix]

the first book covers roughly the solar system stuff rn

and its still not concluded

[autumn willow]

Its fixing their chain of command and then move on to fight the traitors

[potent warren]

Are they actually writing a the scouring series now

[shy lark]

Yes

[potent warren]

Jesus chrisr

Another 50 book series brought to you by BL

[autumn willow]

Best part would be they establish cadia

[tall phoenix]

Yes

[tall phoenix]

Lmao you say this

they also wrote another fucking Horus Heresy book

ABOUT THE FUCKING DROPSITE MASSACRE

[potent warren]

I thought the fucking HH was finished

We saw terra bro

How many DSM books do we need

[tall phoenix]

Thats my favorite bit with it, at first they got to Buried Dagger and were like

"this is the end of the Horus Heresy!"

"Oh thank god"

"NOW WE MILK SIEGE OF TERRA FOR 15 BOOKS"

"FUCK"

"Okay now its over with the trilogy of the End and the Deaf."

"Good."

[potent warren]

End and the Death part 10 coming to your local GW store soon

[tall phoenix]

"NOW WE RELEASE ERA OF RUIN ANTHOLOGY"

like

just stop

oh my god dude

[tall phoenix]

It legit just doesnt end

i hate HH fans so much

ruined this entire fucking IP

PrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchsPrimarchs

fuck off with that shit

literally just MCU nonsense

[potent warren]

I blame GW for that tbh

I still don't understand

Like

30k and 40k used to be seperate, defined settings

[tall phoenix]

I dont, they do this because people love Primarchs, its a symbiosis of slop

[potent warren]

The lines keep getting blurred

Now they both start boiling down into primarch fights the setting

I just want another Eldar book man

[severe trail]

we got one like

a month or two ago

[potent warren]

Was it good?

[severe trail]

and it was pretty good

Yeah

Voidscarred

[potent warren]

I didn't know that tbh

[severe trail]

would have been better with less Orks

lol

[potent warren]

I'll go procure it

[tall phoenix]

if this was a good setting we'd have about as many interesting xenos books as Imperium ones

https://klipy.com/gifs/abysmal-dogshit-absolute-cinema

[potent warren]

I have so much space marine fatigue it's crazy, and all I wanted was the end to talon squads story and I won't get it

[shy lark]

There will only be one league of snoozetan book if I have my way

[potent warren]

Thats the one SM book you can sell me

[potent warren]

I'll be deadass man I forget the dwarves exist pretty often

[severe trail]

They show up in rulebook lore often enough I don’t forget them

[potent warren]

See i don't read those anymore

[severe trail]

Reasonable

[potent warren]

10e lol

[severe trail]

Lol

They got 1 super mediocre book

By Gav

Good worldbuilding tho

[potent warren]

Isn't

Yeah

[tall phoenix]

legit death sentence

[potent warren]

Gav is more of a builder for basis ime

[autumn willow]

Votann will be in a video game

we just wait and see how the writing would be for Admech 2

[vale wren]

Just finished Tomb World. An incredible breakthrough in the field of gay necrons. We've had doomed yaoi, but now, finally, doomed yuri

I can rest easy

[tall phoenix]

LET EM COOK

Also dont forget necron branded terrorism

absolute peak

[vale wren]

The only interesting xenos race strikes again. Glory to the Infinite Empire

[tall phoenix]

🗣️

[drowsy urchin]

Tomb World good?

[severe trail]

Pretty good

[drowsy urchin]

Might have to check it out after Harrowmaster and it's sequel

[runic root]

The only thing gav has ever built is my annoyance for his work...

[storm hound]

Oh boy I've been hit by a reading bug, haven't held a book in my hands for nearly 20 years and then suddenly picked up "The Infinite and the Divine" about 3 months ago since everyone said I should give a read atleast once.

And after that I went on non-stop to read:
Voidscarred
Ciaphas Cain: Hero of the Imperium (Omnibus)
Eisenhorn (Omnibus)
Gaunt's Ghosts: The Founding (Omnibus)

and now I am currently reading: Ravenor (Omnibus)

and in my unread book stack I got:
Steel Tread, and Demolisher
and Assassinorum: Kingmaker

The only thing that bothers me is being unable to find the remaining physical omnibus books of Ciaphas Cain and Gaunt's Ghosts. Since I don't want audio or e-book versions. And the physical books aren't in print atm. (not going ebay or amazon to pay overprice to scalpers)

[fickle temple]

Why not do ebooks? I can help you with that if you cannot find the physical copies

if you worry about eyestrain, E-Ink Tablets are the way to go

Horus Rising is nice but its kind of boring. Each space marine character so far has felt quite pretentious and monotone.

Each one has been some kind of "cold steel hardy man with a sense of humor" but the sense of humor part I feel is because its centered around the luna wolves.

and the Pretentious part I feel adds on to the hubris of their nature

Like I do enjoy the juxtaposition of said marines being worth a thousand human men each being torn to shreds by xenos

and I really loved the Samus arc

I really loved that emotional impact

Of Loken and siderman being taken back by the very idea of a marine killing a marine

which I feel adds on to the future following horus heresy

It really adds on to how sacrilegious the very concept of a Chaos Marine is

It goes against their origin and I really like that

the conflictslop is good.

atleast where I am

Well I also liked where uh

Loken disliked being questioned by that particular remembrancer

uncomfortable by the idea of questioning himself

like their whole deal is theyre a weapon and they prefer being used as such, like

Questioning their user doesn't feel nice.

[fickle temple]

I think I understand the appeal of 40k more now. Humanity pushing through despite odds being at their worst. Which I guess is what leads many to siding with the imperium

Like if Horus Rising was my only source of 40k lore I would be on their side. mostly. but things like Servitors definitely make someone look up what exactly what it is and become horrified lmfao.

[tall phoenix]

Thats more the multiple authors fault

they very much forget the Imperium is awful and put them on heroic pedestals against the CSM/Traitors.

30k is THE best worst example of this lol

I feel no sadness for any loyalists that die because these people were literally willy nilly genociding thousands of worlds before the Heresy started, the narrative disconnection is so funny

[fickle temple]

Lucius is doing something I find quite interesting.

Astartes consider themselves weapons, and Megarchnids weapons are basically their body, as each of their claws cut through marines like paper.

This makes for some pretty decent Irony, earlier, a Spider slashed into Taritz chest armor that held the palatine Aquila which he took has a great offense, as the emperors children were the only legion honored with that at the time. Then Lucius, Master Swordsmen of the Emperors children, took one of the legs of the Megararchnids and repurposed it into a kind of sword, literally using their own weapons against them. Which feels even worse lmfao.

Would this kind of thing be considered heresy by the current millennium Inquisition?

[fickle scroll]

let's be honest, just looking the wrong way will be classified as heresy, so I'd say it does count

[fickle temple]

"He killed them all tho"

"Using Xenos weaponry"

"Yes but he saved everyone"

"By using Xenos weaponry"

"Yes I know but it was very tactically effecti-" Ketchup paints the wall

[fickle scroll]

like that guardsman who used a tau railgun

saved a lot, but not himself

[fickle temple]

best way he could save himself is kissing the barrel

better than being a servitor

[fickle scroll]

just look at the flowers and dont turn around

[violet knoll]

isn’t the imperium literally fascist?

[severe trail]

The core government is pretty facist

But it’s got a weird feudal heirarchy to it

As well

[autumn willow]

Its amalgamation of every horrible dictatorships, ideologies(Facism, Stalinist, Monarchist and etc) , feudalism (Tyrant Kings from Bronze age to Medieval Era) and religion (Every religions from earth and turn them all into extremism)

[tacit void]

Its worse somehow

[autumn willow]

But the imperium is very decentralised that some worlds have autonamy or left alone as long as they pay taxes

For Example the Moebian Domain isnt handled by Terra and The Moebian Domain can do whatever they want BUT they pay tithes or taxes to terra.

[tacit void]

Its the HRE in space, but with a permanent " divine" emperor and all the faults of the HRE multiplied to 600

[forest spruce]

The imperium is like 27 different horrible governments in the trench coat

[mental cobalt]

you can use bookscouter. com to place books you're looking for and it will track them and their prices. I got lucky on getting all the gaunts ghost omnibus' and i still haven't found a saviour of the imperium for a decent price.

On a separate note, ravenor is so much better than eisenhorn series and the bequin series gets even better

[forest spruce]

Its got the terrible elements of every government without any of the benfiits

[grim gate]

i got a friend whos interested in the salamanders, what are some good sallie books

[tacit void]

Well

Most Sally books were written by Kyme

So you have the 40k Salamander Omnibus

[grim gate]

not a very popular author i take it?

[tacit void]

And the 30k Books Vulkan Lives, Deathfire and Old Earth

[tacit void]

Yeah he can be

Quite bland to say the least

But some people like these books

So they could have some merits im unaware of

Besides that Sallies do cameo in certain books mainly about other chapters/legions

Like Dropsite Massacre

Or Helsreach

Maybe give a Kyme a shot, maybe not idk

[shy lark]

As ever even with authors I don't like Kyme does some neat things but, he's so boring to me

[mellow knot]

Ultimately, everyone likes different things. The whole thing is entirely subjective.

It'd be dull if everyone liked everything all the time and there was no room for debate and disussion. Or something. I don't even know.

I'm having a Week, leave me alone. curls up in a corner and whimpers a bit

[shy lark]

Someone will like it yeah, surely

Give it a try and see, you never know

[mental cobalt]

people didn't enjoy solar war or mortis, where i enjoyed them both 😌

[fickle temple]

Megarchnids feel like proto tyranids

[tall phoenix]

They are just generic evil bugs.

They have nothing to do with Tyranids.

[potent warren]

If i know one thing about sci fi humanity

Its that they love killing bug coded enemies

[tall phoenix]

^

easiest antagonist to make

just mindless monsters lol

[potent warren]

Right next to nazis

[tall phoenix]

Nah those would be the protagonists in 40k rules

[fickle temple]

Hey let's not put spiders next to fascists

[tall phoenix]

I hate this because in HD2 the super-earth dumbasses literally refer to the Terminids as "fascists".

😭 🥀

[potent warren]

I still miss the best sticker from that server

[lofty thunder]

The fictional propaganda is working

[potent warren]

The "i know a fascist when I see one" bile titan

[fickle temple]

Why do they call them fascists?

[potent warren]

Yk I really wish I didn't live in a political climate where I have to care that SE are they bad guys

I literally just play the game to brain off kill things sometimes

[fickle temple]

They're literally just animals

Animals being held captive for their fuel

If anything They're more like rebels

[tall phoenix]

Thats the joke lol

They label them fascists so its easier to villainize and hate them when they’re literally just animals

[potent warren]

You may hate them cause they're called fascists

I hate them cause of hd1 charger behemoths

[fickle temple]

tbh I thought you were talking the player base

but yeah, makes sense storywise of course

[celest heron]

Theyre leaning into the verhooven starship troopers

Which heavily leaned into ww2 propoganda programming (the whole doing my part)

[muted cloak]

War bonds

[fickle temple]

huh Murder really makes you forget who are actually the bad guys

The Astartes are since they're the ones invading trying to conquer the planet

I will decide to side with the Xenos.

Actually

In this context they're not even xenos

the astartes are the xenos

[tall phoenix]

Astartes are indeed genocidal space nazis

[fickle temple]

what wait how?!?!?!? the spiders are evil and like

kill people!!!

[fickle temple]

yeah but thats kind of besides the point.

I'm reading purely from their perspective and subconciously seeing them as the heros. I can't say I wasn't cheering for them some

like a bunch of badasses in a savanna jungle full of apex predators

[tall phoenix]

Well yeah because 40k writers cannot really ever make space marines as proper villains.

We have people thinking all ultramarines are "good people" lol

[fickle temple]

Definitely

It really is easier to despise an xenos when theyre bugs

until you remember the wider context

Like how its somehow "bad" and "vile" for their acid to be burning and scarring their armor

[tall phoenix]

tbh its a thing with a lot of things in 40k novels

and why most stories will have them fight generic evil aliens like Nids, Necrons, etc or just Chaos

[fickle temple]

Yeah the most fucked up theyve felt so far in story is the invasion of whatever that planet samus was first found on

i'm like half way uhh

what else before that..

[tall phoenix]

Its like incidents you can count on two hands yeah. A LOT of 30k is just Marines killing evil generic alien civilizations, its kinda funny when you think about it.

[fickle temple]

I must say a giant spider warrior felt human when they dismembered an astartes after pulling off his head.

Because those dudes were just rebuilding, not even fighters

and "as if unsatisfied" really had an impact

this is why I should read books online so I can show what im talking about..

[fickle temple]

Anger, and revenge for the worker spiders

[tall phoenix]

free my spider homies

[fickle temple]

And this murder arc reminds me how fond I became of spiders after losing a good portion of my fear of them

my heart used to literally jump seeing just one

it still does just, a lot less.

I can look at a spider now and feel kind of warm inside, similar feeling to seeing a cat.

I like spiders

[fickle temple]

These spiders kill fascists

[shy lark]

They could still be arachno-fascists

[fickle temple]

be quiet

[fickle temple]

That chapter did not do a good job at all in showing how everything happening to astartes on murder is their own fault.

It was cool and had aura, and very open bravado

but it was kind of boring

i like these guys cuz theyre spiders but beyond that they feel really boring, dry even.

makes me more excited to read about tyranids

[severe trail]

The megarachnids are also assholes

There’s a reason the interex stuck them in their own isolated planet

[uneven crane]

So more questions about Day of Ascension: since these tech priests have been also turning hybrids into skitarri, are they also under the influence of the Patriarch's mind control or not anymore?

[runic root]

You should say that here: #pet-tide

We have a few people on there that have pet spiders and would probably shower you with fotos of them If you wanted to see some since youre one of the like 10 people on the server who likes spiders...

[fickle temple]

I still have arachnophobia I do work through it tho

like I find ogre spiders rlly cool :3

[fickle scroll]

My fear of spiders is more based on the ones I don't see, same for snakes. The fact that some have an insta kill ability is smth I feel needs nerfing

[snow siren]

I feel that

Like, I have no fear of heights

I can look up a mountain all day and not feel a thing

Its depths that get me worried

[hybrid turtle]

What about widths

[snow siren]

Long widths I’m okay, if it’s too short width I go cross eyed

[autumn willow]

Probably when the resources run out

You see the width of your plasteel gone?

D E S P A I R

[runic root]

How about infinite dimensions ? Those are pretty scary too

[snow siren]

…can I see all the dimensions at once or is it a couple at a time deal?

[runic root]

Maybe like perturabos eye of terror deal.

[snow siren]

Never fully understood that

Like, surely at some point the planet he’s on would be between him and the Eye

[runic root]

I dont blame you, even the writers probably dont either

[snow siren]

If they’d said he always knew where it was, the way one always knows which way is up

Then yeah sure

But I’m sure they say he can always see it

[uneven crane]

@tall phoenix Question about Day of Ascension: Im only on chapter 4 so this might get explained later, but since the Ad Mech are delving into a GSC population for Skiarri manufacturing, are those skitarri still under the influence of the Patriarch?

[tall phoenix]

Will be explained later 👍

keep it as a chekov's skitarii for now

[uneven crane]

Gotcha gotcha, thank ye

[tall phoenix]

🫡

[severe trail]

Chekov’s skittles

[uneven crane]

Chekov's Gum

[sonic walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/chekov-evil-smile-evil-grin-star-trek-tos-gif-4241044645319456820

[fickle scroll]

27 feb, new alpha legion book

[forest spruce]

By who tho

[tall phoenix]

Mike Brooks

THE goat

🐐

[forest spruce]

Ok so the goat

Fuck yeah

[smoky bronze]

Alpha legion twist where there's no omegon its been 2 guys in XL power armor this whole time

[forest spruce]

There was never a primarch of the alpha legion

The alpha legion is the 2nd and 11th

[forest spruce]

Its a joke stop staring at me like that

[mental wren]

I'm part of the way through Tomb World and I took a break because my necron novel, in typical BL fashion, has swathes from the PoV of non-necrons -.-"

[mental wren]

I'm glad Harrowmaster did so well to warrant a series. BL had been trying to make "Renegades" into a series focusing on various new one-off Chaos-aligned and renegade warbands (or maybe to test which seemed popular enough to warrant more expansion)

Solomon's relationship with Tulava was great

I also loved the shout-out to the Unsung. Shroud of Night was delightful except that one bit because I'm a fangirl and noooo

[high willow]

Seeing the SoB get smoked literally made that book for me

[fickle scroll]

didn't shroud of night have a harrowmaster who was a daemon host?

I think i read it, but I can't for the live of me find it in my collection. Does it have a train crash?

[high willow]

There is, the harrowmaster isn’t exactly a deamonhost but he does let one in

[fickle scroll]

Thanks, I started to think i was tripping

[fickle temple]

Dude I'm so disappointed with horus heresy man, I could not believe what came after the sixth chapter. I can't believe they'd ever put this in warhammer :/

[tall phoenix]

[fickle temple]

seven....

but yeah I finished the 5th chapter, I was pleasantly surprised with how the lodge went

[fickle temple]

I'm a bit stoked to read this sometime soon

However theres a problem

I have the option of getting this digitally

or having it in my hands

I like the feeling of a book in my hands admittedly.

and paper backs just 16 bucks

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

the benefits of having a coolass book in my hands

Oh its even less on amazon

uh oh

[hybrid turtle]

I say go for it

[fickle temple]

I can't see myself not

[hybrid turtle]

Its a good book, def worth a reread later

[fickle temple]

12 bucks not including shipping costs and tax

but yeah

It's practically calling my name

[hybrid turtle]

having some books around makes people look smart too

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-crunchy-cat-glasses-cat-luna-glasses-cat-gif-12732289841207803174

[drowsy stone]

Anyone know which books tell what happened with thousand sons and the rubrik

The last part of thousand sons was so ominous I kinda need to know more about it

[shy lark]

There's a short story called All Is Dust in the Ahriman Omnibus very much about that. The rest of the omnibus, iirc, has some flashbacks of it

[drowsy stone]

Ok I will check out the ahriman books, I didnt care for him that much earlier but thousand sons portrayed him in a different light

Same has happened with a lot of the traitor legions recently when I have read their villain origin arcs

[fickle scroll]

He isn't too bad, he just thinks he is smarter than he is

[drowsy stone]

Nah but I meant he was an asshole in the end and the death like straight up hateful guy but then in the thousand sons he's shown to be one of the less more empathic astartes

Dude was genuinely hurt when lemuel told him we aint friends no more

[fickle scroll]

Ahh, I only read his own books. He is still an ahole but not much worse than your average traitor

[tall phoenix]

Thats because HH writers literally dont look at each other's notes and simply write their own thing.

Traitor primarchs suffer greatly from this because as you pointed out in one book they are understandable and in another they act completely different lol

[drowsy stone]

Well probably but I also think there's a theme of slow descent into the chaos filth we know em as

[tall phoenix]

Ehhh nah its pretty flippant.

Magnus acts like an idiot half the 30k simply because he has to fall to Chaos.

"IM GONNA DEFEND MY PLANET."

"OK NVM I WONT."

"OK NVM I WILL"

like, pick a lane lol

He also says pre-Siege hes done with Horus but then just appears in the Siege because uhh fuck the Emperor i guess i dunno

[drowsy stone]

Yeah but I think turning into a void being messed something up

And I think his flippyness in thousand sons can be explained through conflicting loyalties

He knows he messed up bad and fucked up the big webway plans, is prepared to take the L for it, cant stand seeing his sons die because of his mistake and takes a final stand meaning to die protecting em

And like, the thousand sons straight up disobeyed his order to stand down when prospero is kaboomed

But you are probably right a lot of it is probably from the fact that it's not a super tightly knit cohesive arc

[fickle scroll]

Ashes to ashes, thousand sons to dust

[tall phoenix]

Yeah remember some of these book release dates span IRL years and most of the authors decisions regarding how flip-flop the primarchs in general act is a big criticism of it.

But most people wave it away with "Well they are immature etc it makes sense" which is like lol

[drowsy stone]

I think the biggest flipflop I seen is in the first 3 books where horus turns

And some of the books are just to cover for that stuff

[tall phoenix]

Horus' fall is EXTREMELY criticized yeah

[fickle scroll]

Was it ever explained why Kurze decided to go for sudoku by assasin?

[tall phoenix]

because its literally out of nowhere and VERY stupid

[tall phoenix]

Because he knew thats how he was always gonna die and said we cannot change fate due to his doomer ways.

(not even memeing)

Its the entire reason he embraces being a psychopath lmao

[fickle scroll]

Huh, that must be the only time in the whole universe someone accepted their fate

[drowsy stone]

Yeah one point he is like "I love the empire" and next he is like "FAAAATHEEEER WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN MEEE" out of nowhere when he gets stabbed a little

[tall phoenix]

ı think the worst part is uh

"AH MAGNUS YOU SILLY GOOSE, I KNEW THIS IS EREBUS LYING TO ME! BUT IM GONNA LISTEN TO HIM ANYWAY!"

Like.... what lmao

[drowsy stone]

Yeah it's so dumb

[tall phoenix]

equilavent of

"Yeah I know this guy is gonna kill me just let him do it"

[drowsy stone]

Also I still hate erebus even after reading the first heretic

That guy was an ass from day 1

[fickle scroll]

Erebus vs Kharn is the only time I was happy for him to be in a sentence

[drowsy stone]

Didnt kharn eventually get turned into a ghost or something after he loses to the black templars or something during the siege

Or was it more metaphorical

[snow siren]

He isn’t prepared to take the L

The Oriflamme blasted a message through every single Vox network on the planet, asking for Magnus to hand himself over peacefully

He blocked them from reaching his men

Probably because they’re already been corrupted beyond all reason, but still

[snow siren]

His vision told him that’s how he was going to go

[fickle scroll]

Yeah, just surprised as nobody else ever followed visions

[drowsy stone]

I think prospero burns and a thousand sons give slightly different vibe about what happened IMO

Prospero burns makes it seem like they fought back from the start but a thousand sons makes it seem like he was prepared to take the L for it

Atleast that's the idea I got from it

[snow siren]

You also have Inferno, which is the outline

That mentions how the Custodes and Russ tried to talk Magnus into handing himself over

Magnus probably knew the daemonic familiars he’d gifted the Sons with were actually a trap and he’d killed them all already, that’s why he let the Sons die, he just bottled it at the last minute

[drowsy stone]

That one I havent gotten to, but yeah in prospero burns it tells of leman pleading his brother to just surrender

Your explanation also makes sense yeah

[snow siren]

Inferno is one of the Forge World books, rather than Black Library, its a more zoomed out version

[drowsy stone]

Cause he does find out that the deal he made to cure the flesh change was with warp beings

[drowsy stone]

I am not sure how they differ I just read stuff from here and there

I'll probably spread out more when I get enough of horus heresy for a while, read some standalone stuff and I started with the eisenhorn and ravenor stuff

Would read pandemonium if dan abnett would get it finished

But also kinda nice to see how the dan abnett stuff from siege of terra kinda lays the basis of the eisenhorn stuff, lot of same characters and mentions

[tall phoenix]

Its finished. Its just waiting on GW's release permission due to some lore stuff or something, Abnett couldn't disclose it aside from "powers beyond my control"

[drowsy stone]

I apologize to dan abnett and will aim my wrath at gw

Im so hyped to read it

Dying to get to the bottom of that whole shebang

[snow siren]

It’s the only thing I can think to redeem him somewhat

Like, the Sons were gone, nothing was going to change that, they were so compromised that the only solution was to kill them off

[tall phoenix]

Yeah Magnus loved them too much to let them go

[drowsy stone]

Poor cyclops

[snow siren]

It’s a weird one, proper trippy,

Like it’s a campaign book with loads of lore

My favourite is the space wolf who keeps dying, but because the warp shenanigans the timelines are all messed up so he keeps coming back

[drowsy stone]

Ooh that does sound very intriquing

I might give em a shot

I love trippy stuff

https://tenor.com/view/just-when-i-thought-i-was-out-they-pull-me-back-in-michael-corleone-al-pacino-the-godfather-gif-19249100

[snow siren]

It was Alan Bligh’s last book

[tall phoenix]

When he died all of 30k's side content went to shit

Forgeworld along with it lmao

[drowsy stone]

Man that's a bummer

[snow siren]

See: The Dark Angels

[tall phoenix]

Yeah he was solely responsible for a lot of fleshing out of 30k.

[fickle scroll]

Rip

[snow siren]

Bligh’s best skill was making all of the legions be cool, without taking away from each other or propelling one to the fore

[tall phoenix]

it says a lot how even the non-30k shit he made like Siege of Vraks are STILL talked about to this day almost two decades later.

[severe trail]

I’d say munda was good after Bligh died lol

[tall phoenix]

same with Badab

[severe trail]

But Bligh wasn’t super involved with it

[tall phoenix]

which is LITERALLY just about to get a revisit in a new rulebook lol

[tall phoenix]

Munda was barely existent tbh

[severe trail]

Eh fair

[drowsy stone]

I think I have vraks combat knife in the game

Legacy of Vraks or something

[severe trail]

I want Huron to get smoked like a cigar by Yirel

[tall phoenix]

ı got bad news

[snow siren]

I want Huron to Bane Tyberos

[severe trail]

Did the book leak

💀

Don’t tell me chaos wins again

[severe trail]

I can’t do this anymore

[tall phoenix]

LMAOOOO IM SORRY ELITE

[severe trail]

Mother fucker

AAAAAAAA

[tall phoenix]

FYI obviously this is a HUGE tldr but like yeah main synopsis lmao

[severe trail]

pariah nexus
Necrons winning for whole book
chaos wins the end

!????

What did GW mean by this

Shame really

[drowsy stone]

Chaos always wins

[severe trail]

I’d have liked chaos to not win a campaign/crusade book

For once in almost 10 YEARS NOW

[tall phoenix]

They dont win dingus

they just appear and cause havoc

[severe trail]

In pariah nexus? I’d say they win

[tall phoenix]

[severe trail]

Smh

Vashtor turning a pylon around and establishing a foothold in the pariah nexus seems like a win to me

lol

[drowsy stone]

Isnt that a win in chaos' books

Like if they cause chaos

Manage to cause*

[tall phoenix]

Lmao to be fair by that logic they have won the entire setting already

(which isnt wrong i guess)

[drowsy stone]

Best part of it is the "refuses to elaborate" part

[forest spruce]

Ugh

Can xenos win like one time

[tall phoenix]

Ikr

i guess its more like a "tie" but eh

[forest spruce]

I don't even like the eldar

But like come on

[tall phoenix]

Mean ass writers

[forest spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/namztaes-sad-window-rain-gif-23232396

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-rivulet-gif-9220398039228545942

[cloud dove]

just finished the lion, which book woudl you suggest next for a dark angels/sororitas girl

[runic root]

I can tell you which one to avoid. Angels of darkness by gav thorpe. Worst book ive ever read across genres. Id rather read a phonebook instead

As to Sisters of battle, ive only ever read pilgrims of fire which i give a c+ rating.

Also there is this one book where one of the dark angel successor chapters (i think the angels of absolution) absolutely get their shit wrecked inside their own fortress-monestary by a Tau in a crisis battle suit. Ive only read excerpts of that book on reddit and found hilarious to see space marines on the other side of bolterporn for once. So If you can stand D'angels get slaughtered, maybe that one

[shy lark]

Requiem Infernal for sororitas, trust

[cloud dove]

requiem infernal and pilgrims of fire are noted ^^

i read a german book of the sisters before, and it's called shield of the saint... only that never even appears in the book xD very misleading xD

i think in english it's called mark of the saint or somethign along those lines

[runic root]

As a German myself, the title translations sometimes are so ass

[wide mica]

Book of Martyrs is a fun Sororitas read

[cloud dove]

ty ^^ takes notes

[fickle temple]

If it's one thing i appreciate about this book is that it has a glossary of the astarte chapters captains and companies because I fucking suck at remembering character names lmao

Wish all books had this

[tall phoenix]

Yeah all HH books have that

and some other 40k ones

[fickle temple]

"I rather like him"
"The way he spoke to our lord? He's a dog."
"I like dogs," Tarvitz said.

Hehehehhehe

I like seeing astartes bicker

Its funny

I also really like how the mournival functions as a telephone for Horus' wrath and criticism so he can maintain his status as a powerful demi god with a warm heart or something like that

Really fits well into his role as the a propagandist

Just

The mournival are just bullies lmfao

Also kinda like a telephone

[drowsy urchin]

Finished Harrowmaster, a pretty enjoyable romp

[fickle scroll]

Good to hear, it's one of my favorite

[merry orbit]

@normal minnow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4jfE4GaSJU

[normal minnow]

Close enough lol

[sage pelican]

Welp
Almost finished listening to the soul hunter book
Ain't gonna lie, my favorite characters are Septimus and Octavia, followed by Xarl

[visual sparrow]

got dealt actual psychic damage while reading master of rites

[slow elm]

Same with gaunts ghosts

Almost every number is 67

„Hanger bay 6-7“ and such

[sage pelican]

Finished reading soul hunter
I'm still not the biggest fan of traitor legions, but they do have their moments and characters
At least those who didn't fell to chaos
It's more interesting to. Hear the side of the war that went against the Emperor not because of the corruption, but because of their own beliefs

[tall phoenix]

Tbh one side is space fascists and the other is space satanists so not like its that deep as is

[tacit void]

But the Space Satanists are right

[tall phoenix]

LOL

[sage pelican]

Yeah, but only one side has indomitable human spirit and true brotherhood, so

[tall phoenix]

Indomitable human spirit and true brotherhood to ultra-bomb innocent people to death probably yea

[sage pelican]

Didn't say they were perfect

[tall phoenix]

Its bleak...

but blowing up people is funny so i cant judge

[sage pelican]

Besides
Everyone does that in 40k, ain't like Imperium is unique in that regard

[celest heron]

Jokkaero dont

[tacit void]

Kol Badar saving his most hated rival Marduk's life

(He wants to be the one to end him)

[muted cloak]

I mean, it's in the dark future where there is only war

[tall phoenix]

Yeah and we are people living in the real world.

Genocide is genocide.

[muted cloak]

No one is good in warhammer

it's all a question of taste

[tall phoenix]

Yeah and no one was talking about that either.

but yes.

[muted cloak]

now I am

who's the less bad in theory

Tau ? Aeldari ?

(dont stone me I know nothing about their lore)

[tall phoenix]

Tau are just Chinese kind of evil

aka space-authoritarianism

Eldar just do wars if it means it will help their craftworld survive minus Biel-Tan who'll bomb basically anyone.

[severe trail]

Craftworld Eldar, aside from Beil-tan who are the imperium but Eldar edition and marginally less racist(barely)

The tau are very jingoistic and expansionistic

[tall phoenix]

Yeah and you largely cant really blame the Eldar when they are literally fighting space nazis lol

[muted cloak]

so eldars are the less evil

[tall phoenix]

Eldar*

[muted cloak]

aeldari

[severe trail]

I can blame Beil-tan for randomly genociding xenos smh

[tall phoenix]

same thing but yea

[tall phoenix]

"largely"

[severe trail]

I mean sorry based alert

Kill all xenos

[shy lark]

Biel Tan did literally nothing wrong

[tall phoenix]

Also that

[severe trail]

the stars belongs to the eldar

[tall phoenix]

Also as ever relevant

[muted cloak]

on the 20k points apocalypse game of last weekend I killed 2 eldar

me hapi

technically not true since I also killed a ranger unit but it's more relevant as... collateral damage

it's sad how much eldar were nerfed in recent editions

[severe trail]

Nah

They’re pretty strong

[muted cloak]

they used to be stronger

[severe trail]

Well yeah

No shit

[muted cloak]

but also I beg to differ

[severe trail]

9e was like meth

[muted cloak]

having played against them

more recent armies have bullshit stats compared to older ones such as aeldari now

[severe trail]

Eldar are fine as an army rn

Having literally played them

[muted cloak]

I mean maybe

but they can barely stand against some armies

[severe trail]

Not really

They have a good matchup spread

They’re just technical

[muted cloak]

they're still meh

that or

just nerf ad mech and genestealer cult

[uneven crane]

@tall phoenix Been reading more Day of Ascension: I kinda like how Triskellian is, despite being a protagonist with an empathizable motive, is such a dickbag to people around him. Also like how they write warp hypnosis/GSC hypnosis shit for him.

[sage pelican]

Correct, because I root for humans

[tacit void]

Me too

[sage pelican]

Not these ones
Warp be with Astartes

This is where it's at
The Guard

[tacit void]

Right on

[hybrid turtle]

Ooh where is this traitor guard from?

[tacit void]

Blood Pact from the Gaunt Series

Khorne aligned Traitor Guard, but what's especially cool is that they didn't originate with a loyalist Guard formation, they formed autonomously as a disciplined and independent chaos military formation

[hybrid turtle]

Thats cool

fatshark cooked with the moebian 6th too

[tall phoenix]

Incorrect because they’re boring.

🥱

[drowsy urchin]

Rooting for humans just because they're humans is cringe

[tall phoenix]

Real.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the author does a great job with that entire aspect in general, i wish he wrote more stuff like this.

[tacit void]

💯 ill root for only the enlightened ones

[topaz osprey]

I did a lil lore summary and review of the new 40k book Apostle it's so good and deffinitely worth a read or listen on audible https://youtu.be/z-XEIXDZr-E

[tall phoenix]

I wanna read this so ill definitely give it a watch

[mellow knot]

Fancy meeting you here!

[topaz osprey]

I am everywhere!

[mellow knot]

By inference, so am I.

[topaz osprey]

This is true xD

[fickle scroll]

did anyone read the legion of the damned omnibus?

[uneven crane]

What does the author usually write, out of curiosity?

[tall phoenix]

In Warhammer not a huge lot, this is really it

[uneven crane]

Damn

[tacit void]

He wrote starseer's ruin i think

But that's AOS

[uneven crane]

Hey that's still cool

[tacit void]

Yeah its a good book

One of the few Seraphon ones sadly

[uneven crane]

Damnb

[snow siren]

They need more Chaos books for AoS

Considering how they’re the dominant most populous faction in the setting

[tacit void]

Surprisingly i know jack all about AOS chaos outside broad strokes knowledge

But i want more lizardbooks too

[snow siren]

It’s a narrative minefield of good ideas

Like, they’re essentially the surviving cultures of an actual apocalypse who’re surviving and thriving through some pretty unwholesome means

But then you have shit like full blown daemons, so it’s pretty understandable to maybe worship the people who created the blood and bone monstrosity that materialised and ate coursing Dave’s fucking skull last week. Not even the skin or meat, he left them, just the bone

Dave is still kind of alive but he’s all floppy faced now

[fickle temple]

Ordered The Infinite and The Divine

[fickle temple]

Do the Tau have good books

[hybrid turtle]

elemental council is good

[tall phoenix]

Elemental Council is prob the singular peak one

the others are so and so

[fickle temple]

Oh yeah

[fickle temple]

how much should i know before reading

or is everything there explained well enough

[tall phoenix]

Know the basics of Necrons, Trazyn and what Orikan do and yeah you are set

[hybrid turtle]

trazyn and orikan discuss the lore quite a bit actually

[tall phoenix]

^

like

a single 5-10m lexi read can prep you well enough tbh

[hybrid turtle]

know like the basics of the war in heaven and the biotransference

[fickle temple]

noted

Oh hey trazyn is the sitting guy

nice

[hybrid turtle]

hes pretty cunty

[severe trail]

Elemental council is peak, the rest of them are decent

The dark coil stuff is all great but it’s also dark coil so it’s got its own stuff

[fickle temple]

im gonna be honest im looking up what each primarch looks like and

im kinda disappointed

the lot of them are just, plain white dudes before the heresy

As I read this and get deeper in.

I think I'm starting to understand why the 40k community is the way it is

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-sad-the-office-crying-inside-yikes-gif-9278328

[tall phoenix]

Basically lol

[fickle temple]

I get the fanbase is illiterate as fuck but GW can really be put at blame here as well.

There's a lot of aesthetics at play here

sheesh lex is kinda slow

[shy lark]

Ever since that evil ui update

[fickle temple]

I don't think I find the luna wolves design too interesting ngl

Neither Horus' design that interesting either

I strongly prefer how he looks in my head...

So boring.

What's ur favorite designed marines

[tall phoenix]

Sons of Horus are better in that regard with their techno euro-barbarian aesthetic

[celest heron]

Even the khan is just a pale white guy

[severe trail]

Red corsairs or blood angels

[celest heron]

Night lords have some good designs too

Especially the skin capes

Or the arm or

[tacit void]

Word Bearers, i love me some parchment, scripture and spikes

[celest heron]

My favorite icon is the sharks because I like sharks

[fickle temple]

Oh yeah i loved this one

Still do

[celest heron]

There is also the slaaneshi marine I love posting

[celest heron]

0/10 not enough words

[fickle temple]

Noise marine?

[celest heron]

Nah just a normal slaaneshi guy

Hes in the csm codex

[shy lark]

World Eater runny mascara fashion sweep #1 legion always forever

[celest heron]

Hes an apothecary

I can tell by his proctology hand

[fickle temple]

Probably my low attention span going but it gets so wordy sometimes

[celest heron]

Id be terrified of seeing a white armored world eater in 40k

[tacit void]

iirc not this guy

He has no narthecium

[tacit void]

Gladiator Cadre 331

[shy lark]

I guess can call the very creatively named blood hand a proctology hand

[tacit void]

Heh sure

[fickle temple]

I think I'm most bored with HR when it gets into the marine glazing

But I guess it portrays how bits and pieces of battles get cherry picked greatly? I dunno. I want the struggle and conflict.

[tall phoenix]

the problem is thats literally all of HH lol

[fickle temple]

I like when marines are shown to struggle but still triumph in the end

Its what made a series like Berserk enjoyable to me. A hard strong dude getting up and fighting no matter how many times hes chewed and spat out by a monster

Here its kind of absent and just hype

Atleast in this chapter

Samus was rlly good

[fickle temple]

Or they don't

That's good too!

[fickle temple]

Would it be fair to say the Imperium has always been religious

[severe trail]

Do you count the mechanicum as part of the imperium

The imperial truth is state sponsored atheism

Which is not religious

[fickle temple]

They reject the words religious and god but they have a fair amount of characteristics similar

Especially with the astartes

[severe trail]

Yes they have cult shit going on

[fickle temple]

Why are they allowed to be religious lol

[severe trail]

But no religion

[severe trail]

The emperor needed them

It was that or the great crusade never happens

[fickle temple]

But pretty much one step away

[severe trail]

Also the emperor is a hypocrite

[fickle temple]

Of course he is

[severe trail]

Yeah it’s a cult of personality

[fickle temple]

Especially allowing the emperors children to be a thing

Emanating the emperors perfection...like

That's an instant red flag lmfao

Like keeler deadass almost said faith

Then after that pretty much said she has faith in the imperium

Without saying it

Such a slippery slope

[final adder]

The final battle in the first salamanders novel is a good example of this. The third company gets stranded on a dying planet that's falling apart, and makes their last stand against an ork force that totally outnumbers them. They end up taking considerable losses and the company chaplain loses his arm in a fight against the ork warboss

[fickle temple]

That's what i like yep

[visual sparrow]

wouldve been cool to get a book like this for acheran and chairon

instead theyre just killed off in a paragraph lol :(

[severe trail]

Meh

Acheran was supposed to be dead anyways

[final adder]

Would've been nice to get a short story for that

[severe trail]

Yeah

I think a book would have been way too much

2 or 1 page rulebook story

Would be more then enough

[visual sparrow]

theyre major characters in space marine 2

how is a book way too much lol

[final adder]

I was thinking something akin to the length of the gsc short story that recently came out

[severe trail]

major characters

They really aren’t

lol

The only major character in SM2 is Titus

Everyone else is a side character

[final adder]

"Cast a Hungry Shadow" I believe its called

[severe trail]

I think a short story would have been enough

Tbh

[visual sparrow]

a short story wouldve been nice but i wouldve liked a book more

[severe trail]

There’s more developed characters in a variety of things to write novels about

Acheran really shouldn’t have been in SM2

Considering the end of shadowspear

He should have been dead as fuck lol

[final adder]

Personally I could care less about Acheran but I still hate how dirty they did Chairon

[severe trail]

Chairon got replacement goldfished I’m deadass

💀

Like

Nothing wrong with him dying in a paragraph

But they really did just replace him with the dude from the secret level video

Except he’s not even using the axe he had

I’m genuinely 99% sure it was meant to be Chairon at some point in sculpting

[visual sparrow]

idek who merastus is 😭 was he established before the secret level video?

[severe trail]

He’s a random dude from the 8e space marine codex lmao, and then he’s given a semblance of a personality in secret level

[fickle temple]

Are there any marine books without marine glazing

[final adder]

Metaurus is probably gonna be one of the playable characters in sm3 I bet

[visual sparrow]

oh my gosh lol

[severe trail]

No, because every faction book sucks off its own faction

Jokes aside Idfk Dante is a funny deconstruction of a marine

[fickle temple]

:/

Ooh

[final adder]

He was Titus' mentor and was the one who brought him into the chapter

[severe trail]

But that’s only bcs you get child Dante’s thoughts

Juxtaposed with Dante after the brainwashing

And augmentation

[visual sparrow]

the short story that came with the special edition of master of rites had ferren aerios get beaten pretty badly with a lead pipe

[severe trail]

Child dante thinking that marines are monstrous things and horrifying

Is pretty funny in comparison to his later like self thoughts on himself

[tall phoenix]

also reminder

Acheran is SUCH an insignificant character, he was literally invented to die in the rulebook he was introduced in

[severe trail]

Ultimately if a book is about a faction it’s gona glaze them

[tall phoenix]

hes literally only in SM2 because they need someone to berate titus lol

[final adder]

I hear The Devastation of Baal is pretty depressing. It was the first 40k novel I wanted to read

[severe trail]

He was invented before that as brother Captain genericus in the 8e codex

[visual sparrow]

wouldve been nice to see him and chairon get explored a bit more before dying

[severe trail]

But yeah all his identifiable features are from shadowspear

The same rulebook he absolutely was meant to have died in

Considering he was surrounded by daemon engines and possesed, bleeding out

[tall phoenix]

I mean there is nothing to explore

they are generic space marines

[severe trail]

And then the only surviving marine from the incident said everyone died

[tall phoenix]

dime a dozen

[severe trail]

💀

Like

[tall phoenix]

Chairon's fascination is also weird

"He was at calth"

okay and?

we learn nothing from it

its never explored

or dwelled on lol

its like me randomly saying i was in Iraq

like okay?

[severe trail]

I’d feel more connection to Chairon and Gadriel if they were remotely explored

Tbh

[tall phoenix]

^

[severe trail]

But they’re really not unfortunately

[tall phoenix]

They just exist as generic straightmen

its fine if you like them but they just simply arent real characters

[visual sparrow]

so is everyone else until you give them more character? thats like

[fickle temple]

I did this and that and that and this

[visual sparrow]

the whole point of a story

[severe trail]

Even Sidonus and Leandros get more development

[tall phoenix]

I mean not really?

[final adder]

I just thought he was a fun character in sm2

[tall phoenix]

Thats my point

we nver explore ANYTHING about them

[visual sparrow]

thats why i said itd be nice to explore them more?

[tall phoenix]

Okay but what is there to explore

there is no seed of any kind

[severe trail]

They should have gotten more development in SM2 if they wanted me to care tbh

[tall phoenix]

^

Introducing characters that do nothing then going "we will explore them in the future" is weak imo

[severe trail]

Titus is the only character who was given meat in sm2

Which sucks

Calgar shows up to aura farm near the end

I soy’d

[final adder]

We all did lol

[severe trail]

But calgar also is sort of reliant on you either knowing who he is or him just being awesome

[fickle temple]

The thing for me is I want books with actual 40k lore and not just aura.

Are there good books that paints how the Average imperial citizen lives? Like habs and bullshit

[severe trail]

Warhammer crime

Read warhammer crime

[fickle temple]

Ah

[severe trail]

Glorious warhammer crime

[final adder]

Warhammer crime, necromunda lore

[severe trail]

Necromunda isn’t an average world

But it does show the shit life you could live

[fickle temple]

Ok. Does that have arbitrators? Cuz I find the arbitrators in Darktide to be rlly intriguing

[severe trail]

It has enforcers and an arbitrator shows up in 1 book and is probably the most terrifying thing in it

lol

It’s very foot level

Like

Very very very

[tall phoenix]

1000000% this

[final adder]

Ik there's noir style crime novels about the street enforcers

[tall phoenix]

Warhammer Crime is EXTREMELY fun

like to give you an idea

[snow siren]

There’s a decent debate about this

Basically, is Necromunda an average hive world?

It’s completely unique in its own way, but is that par the course for hive worlds?

[tall phoenix]

the most big ranking major character that shows up

across like uhhh

5 novels and 10 anthologies combined

is a fucking Arbites

thats it

[severe trail]

I’d say the average hive world is as unique but the sort of uniqueness necromunda is, is very out there. If that makes sense?

[tall phoenix]

^

[severe trail]

Not many hive worlds have the claim to fame of having multiple xenos societies having lived on it

And eldritch sea creatures in its core

[tall phoenix]

Its important to remember Necromunda is THE most lored/explored planet in the entirety of 40k.

We know its pre-historic age to its entire background

[snow siren]

Yeah, my take is that it’s completely its own thing

Just live every other hive world

[fickle temple]

Are there at least books focusing on arbitrators

[severe trail]

The Delaque as a whole are super unique to munda only

[tall phoenix]

Yeah a few

but they are like extremely old lol