40k-book-club

[pale vigil]

"Plasteel was a kind of steel which was stabilized with Stravidium fibers, grown into its crystal structure.[1] In the Known Universe Plasteel was used in many industries due to both its plasticity and Macroscopic hardness. It came in black.[2] Ancient plasteel had a dull sheen.[3]" Dune

And Star Wars doesn't have an actual material property listed for it at all

[smoky bronze]

I kinda like it not having plastic in it but being named for its plasticity overall

[tall phoenix]

Well there is also plastek if that helps

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Plastek

[smoky bronze]

I don't know what conditions its plastic under maybe heat? Would explain why flamers work on ceramic armor with cooling systems

Could be thermoset too ig

[pale vigil]

Normal ceramic armour has the issue of 'shattering' and losing effectiveness quite fast after it's been hit

[smoky bronze]

Well its ceramite so its magic

[pale vigil]

Maybe plasteel stops it from doing that

[smoky bronze]

But iirc its a poor thermal conductor like ceramic

(Like the kind of clay ceramic laypeople think about sorry materials scientists)

i know a guy who's a ceramics specialist and i dont think he's ever fired normal clay in a kiln

[autumn willow]

Grind never ends grind never ends. Must upgrade weapons. Grind never ends grind never ends

[tall phoenix]

Shut UP bronx

[high willow]

Star Wars has durasteel

[pale vigil]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Plasteel

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Durasteel

It has both.

[hybrid turtle]

Prob bc star wars took a lot from dune too

[tall phoenix]

That yeah. A New Hope is literally a Dune ripoff

also Lucas outright said on interviews he took the idea of the Force from the Voice in Dune lmao

[severe trail]

Dune is awesome

That’s why

[pale vigil]

I recently found out about how Dune got published and it tickles me

[tall phoenix]

Its the perfect showcase of how down on his luck Frank was

literally NOBODY wanted to publish his book

then he goes to the most random ass "publisher"

[fringe thorn]

Peter Fehevari's Altar of Maws

[rare quarry]

from which book do I even start?

[uneven crane]

Check the pinned messages; there's a couple links that have a few suggestions

[snow siren]

Whichever you want really

Grab one, look at the cover art, if you think it’s cool then read that one

[pale vigil]

40k is unique in that you really don't need to know anything about the setting to enjoy the books

Obviously some of them require a bit of context, but typically you can just jump straight into them and they'll give you a very in-universe level of knowledge about things

[tall phoenix]

I mean you kinda do

you will be extremely confused jumping into some books

[pale vigil]

Obviously - but if you're reading a Tau book or a Guardsman book you really don't need to know anything about the setting beyond what the POV character knows

[tall phoenix]

I mean you kinda do, again

I had two friends follow this advice on two seperate occassions and they got overwhelmed and didnt touch 40k books for a long while

[pale vigil]

What books did they start with?

[tall phoenix]

Gunheads and the other just randomly picked up some HH book lmao

[pale vigil]

Ah yes

The HH series

[tall phoenix]

Following this exact advice btw

[pale vigil]

Because that obviously doesn't fall under the 'going to need context' line

[tall phoenix]

"I thought the cover looked cool but i kinda got fed up not knowing anything that was happening"

[tall phoenix]

I mean so do a lot of modern 40k books lol

there really isnt that much of a difference

You can give a person a 40k book now and they will be asking constant questions

• Whats a servitor
• Whats a commissar
• Whats a space marine
• Whats a lumen, vox, cogitator, lasgun

[pale vigil]

I might be overestimating what the average person can do mentally

But like

I could probably figure out what all of those things are from 1 book

Cogitator might be the only thing that actually has zero explanation in any of the books I've read so far

[tall phoenix]

Its a computer.

[pale vigil]

I know

[tall phoenix]

[pale vigil]

But someone probably couldn't figure that out immediately from 1 book

They'd have like, an idea it does something related to computing power - but they probably aren't gonna realise they're human-brains fufilling the role of computers

[tall phoenix]

ı got my friend to try it again and just suggested him to use the lexicanum whenever he came across words he didnt know and he fared better

also got him deeper into the setting which was a big boon

[pale vigil]

Iunno

"Servitor" - 'Serve', you can fairly easily deduce its meant to be some sort of menial that works for other people, probably wouldn't take more than a couple lines to figure out they're also cyborgs

[tall phoenix]

I mean no? Literally not a single person ive met figured it out from the name

it was just "oh they are robots"

[pale vigil]

Commissars were real things in the Soviet Union, anyone with a bit of history knowledge is likely going to get the gist of them fairly quick

[tall phoenix]

I mean okay, most people still dont know them

i think you are assuming way too much of some newcomers tbh

[pale vigil]

'Space Marine' its a fucking marine in space, its not that complicated

[tall phoenix]

IRL commissars are also a very specific soviet unit

who are even more different IRL lol

[tall phoenix]

Except that theres a loaded baggage of lore that comes with it

[pale vigil]

'Lasgun' - if you genuinely cannot tell that a 'lasgun' is just a 'laser gun' Im going to think you're slow

[tall phoenix]

who spells "laser" as "las"

[pale vigil]

The english

[tall phoenix]

Frank Herbert was American

he came up with it soooo

[pale vigil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser

Are you slow?

[tall phoenix]

Once more, assuming way too much of newcomers who are fresh to the setting

"Oh just figure it out."

Easier said than done buddy-boy

[pale vigil]

Its basic mental comprehension

The books do a good job of explaining everything in the moment

[tall phoenix]

"Mental comprehension" doesnt explain what a Lema nRuss is

[tall phoenix]

They very much dont

[pale vigil]

No, but literally every single book will say 'the Leman Russ battle tank'

[tall phoenix]

Soni ive been in this fandom for over 13 years, ive read over like a hundred+ warhammer books.

I think I kinda know what im talking about.

[pale vigil]

Tell that to like, fucking old ass doctors or politicians or pretty much any 'old guard' type

[tall phoenix]

Not really the same thing.

I dont lie, cheat or manipulate people

[pale vigil]

Same concept

[tall phoenix]

Its really not.

[pale vigil]

"I was here first, therefore I know better than you"

Like fuck off with that lmao

[tall phoenix]

Calm down lol

[tall phoenix]

So okay in your eyes

"Ive read a lot of books so I know some of this stuff"
translates to
"I know better than you lmao kiddo you are dumb"

I got no idea why you are being this hostile, simmer down

[pale vigil]

I don't know why I unblock you

[tall phoenix]

its against the rules

[pale vigil]

I don't care lmao

[tall phoenix]

I mean okay

[pale vigil]

You're not the only mod

[tall phoenix]

enjoy your timeout then

[pale vigil]

You're just the only mod who spends too much time in here

[tall phoenix]

So?

Blocking me because you dont like me is also not really compliant

and again, if you wanna be timed out feel free i guess

[paper maple]

Soni i think you just dont like being undermined much

lol

[tall phoenix]

Same guy who calls every lore thing "silly"

[pale vigil]

Who does?

[tall phoenix]

I ask him if he knows the material

he says "Nope"

[paper maple]

So much for not making assumptions

[odd skiff]

Descent of Angels.

[fringe thorn]

The slow realization the characters from Vanguard and Fire Caste are heavily connected

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

[tacit void]

The First Heretic

[forest spruce]

fall of cadia isnt a bad start for modern 40k

[tall phoenix]

It requires a primer still imo

[forest spruce]

yeah

[tall phoenix]

theres like ALOT happening

[forest spruce]

its tough to pick out a good start point

because everything you need a bit of context

[final adder]

Whatever you do, do NOT start with the Horus heresy novels. Pick up a 40k book first, even better if its one surrounding the faction you're most interested in

Don't get into the HH without learning a decent amount of 40k lore

[wintry blade]

What factions interest you?

Related, anyone got any other good 40K horror books? I just finished the Reverie

Are there any with nids? Seems like an easy horror subject

[fringe thorn]

Sanctuary of Wyrms? Also from Peter Fehervari and has nids. Short read though.

[wintry blade]

Read that one

[fringe thorn]

damn

[snow siren]

Best SM one to start with is unironically Space Wolf: a Blood Claw novel

Follows an aspirant from being mortal to more or less full SM

Obviously a bit squiff because Space Wolves but still

[kindred tendon]

This is cool

Gender not really mattering to magos

[tall phoenix]

Wokemech.... 😔

[snow siren]

Makes so much sense

Why would creatures that abhor the biological and repeatedly flout its rules allow themselves to be confined by them?

[tall phoenix]

I mean it depends from techpriest to techpriest but yeah

[fringe thorn]

male or female ❌
0 or 1 ✅

[hybrid turtle]

cant spell transhumanism without trans

[wintry blade]

My goat Magos dominus Exasas

Non-binary magos

Bro has a 2 in his code

Also is I think nearly fully machine

Her brain is fully mechanical at this point

Surprised he just gets away with that

[smoky bronze]

Adeptus wokanicus...

[quaint canopy]

Finally finished reading Ravenor: Rogue. Love the anti climactic ending 😭

[nova flume]

eisenhorn series is my rec

[simple karma]

Got The Infinite and the Divine today, still gotta read Twice Dead King

[tall phoenix]

yeah finish Twice and its books fully

because its legit very sad

Infinite is like therapy afterwards

[forest spruce]

Yeah it'll be a good palette cleanser

[tall phoenix]

^

[rare quarry]

probably tyranids

[wintry blade]

I dare say I like it more than infinite

Wait, book(s) plural? As in there’s more than one sequel to twice dead king?

[wintry blade]

Ooh I’m sorry

Since nids don’t have thoughts as we understand them, there are few if any depictions from their POV

But there’s a few good genestealer cult books

Read day of Ascension

[rare quarry]

and also the death korps of krieg

[wintry blade]

Oh well, you’ll find no lack for them

[wintry blade]

Or cult of the spiral dawn

The Dark coil anthology has some cool GSC content in it

[rare quarry]

hmm I wonder why is Warhammer 40K, warhammer, I mean 40k as in the M40 but why warhammer>

[wintry blade]

Cause it came from the fantasy series Warhammer

That came first

Then they made a sci-fantasy version

Just found this as we were talking about nids

[tall phoenix]

Yes. Reign and Ruin.

[tall phoenix]

It sounds cool.

[severe trail]

sounded cool, there is a famous warhammer in WHFB and AoS but not in 40k

[snow siren]

War + hammer sounds boss

[autumn willow]

this sucks

I got the artbook and all the artworks are found via artstation

[drowsy urchin]

Pretty sure I said that this would be the case when they announced it

[autumn willow]

The only ones that never showcased Artworks via Artstation are:
Warhammer Squad Command
Warhammer Mark of Chaos
Fire Warrior
Kill Team
Dawn of War 2 is semi limited
Dawn of War 1
Warhammer Age of Reckoning

[fringe thorn]

Saw an online comment talking about allowing a genestealer cult to be corrupted by a chaos god, then allow the kroot to eat those same double-corrupted humans to combine both entities' genes. This situation came from after looking up the Cult Tenebrous.

[wintry blade]

Darn, thought you meant the first book, reign, had more than one sequel, I got excited

[tall phoenix]

[wintry blade]

Literally got ravenous thinking there was xenos content I haven’t consumed

[tall phoenix]

get Tomb World

the new cron book, also pretty good

[wintry blade]

Already did, like the instant I could obtain it

I liked all the mindshackle scenes

Truly horrifying

[tall phoenix]

Necron terrorism is peak

[autumn willow]

when pariahs

[wintry blade]

Necrons really could wipe you out without you ever knowing they were there

[autumn willow]

Dawn of War IV needs them back

[wintry blade]

When they figure out some lore contrivance to make them work

https://youtu.be/Ib25Xpx3a1w?si=Zs1fnVCajBVUX9Lp

This song is unironically a decent way to explain necrons to someone

[severe trail]

kroot already practice best practices and don't eat "tainted" meat in general

[wintry blade]

The ones that don’t care about the rules do

[severe trail]

The ones that don't care about the rules also usually get executed

[tall phoenix]

we have never really seen a kroot like that

[severe trail]

by other kroot

[tall phoenix]

yeah that lol

[severe trail]

whenever we see a kroot eat the wrong stuff

its always because of an accident

and they usually blow their own head off

[tall phoenix]

Kroot's way of eating is literally a life philosophy

[wintry blade]

We know the one in the upcoming dark heresy is an inedible

[tall phoenix]

you cant really be a kroot or call yourself one without it

[severe trail]

we don't know how she became one

is my point

maybe she fucked up while fighting

maybe she didn't wait for the shaper bcs she got impatient

maybe another kroot she ate was "inedible" but no one knew at the time

ect.

[fringe thorn]

Thanks for the clarification. I assumed kroot are constantly tempted to eat anything but their Tau comrades restrain them or have a policy between the two races

[severe trail]

Nah

The kroot are fully sentient/sapient

[wintry blade]

Yeah they have a strict menu of things they can eat

No chaos worshippers, no nids, no tau, no inedible kroot

[smoky bronze]

The kroot are primitivists by choice lol iirc the tau learned ftl by studying a kroot ship?

They've got an unknown hidden industrial base now but they used to be a full spacefaring civilization

[severe trail]

yeah the Kroot can manufacture ships + have FTL lol

They're super advanced if they just turned on all their industralization stuff again lol

[final adder]

In the first Ciaphas Cain novel, a kroot takes a bite out of a genestealer cultist's corpse and almost immediately spits it out

[wintry blade]

Any other good 40k horror books? I'm getting a little tired of all of them just being "Its chaos"

like cmon theres so much more scary shit you can pull

[sonic walrus]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-horror

[wintry blade]

Yeah I looked through that, most seems like the same, and a lot of it is warhammer fantasy

[tall phoenix]

Warhammer Fantasy? You mean AOS? lol

[shy lark]

same thing

[tall phoenix]

Wrong ❌

[shy lark]

The Reverie was good though

But er, not a lot of choice

[autumn willow]

Been a long time since read the novels

But I remember Its rare horror novels

[wintry blade]

Yeah just finished it, very good

Now idk what to read

Feels like I’ve read everything in 40K

I feel like there was some Aeldari content I missed?

I read Valedor, and the path of the eldar omnibus and the path of the dark eldar

[shy lark]

I've heard people say some good things about Sepulturum but it's Nick Kyme so I haven't touched it

Voidscarred isn't in there I guess

[tall phoenix]

Voidscarred, new book and also won 2nd place in novels of the year

highly recommend it

[autumn willow]

Valrak apprently took the book leaks as Model leaks too

The novel mentioned ||Corsairs Kill Team and Vipers or other flyers||

[tacit void]

Requiem Infernal i hear is good

Well technically the antagonist is still chaos, but i feel Fehervari does it well

[severe trail]

Vyper is the only vehicle in the eldar range that super badly needs an update

War walker could do with one as well but it isn’t that bad

[unborn merlin]

Bro how did Dropsite Massacre get first place on the poll. It was such a slog.

[odd skiff]

It was great

[severe trail]

It didn’t deserve 1

Then again I think both void scarred and dropsite didn’t deserve 1 and 2

lol

Elemental council not making top 10 is absurd

[drowsy urchin]

neither did Ushoran..

[severe trail]

AoS unfortunately was never going to make it just due to sheer # of votes

[wise yew]

There is also a 90% chance that people just vote because cool cover out of their faction and because they did not read the damn book

[fickle temple]

they should've done a quiz to determine how much you actually know about the book before allowing you to vote

[tall phoenix]

A lot of these simply get votes from people looking at covers and casting a vote that way.

Its like how every year Primarich minis win the spot

Pure superbero garbage

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/im-tired-of-this-grandpa-gif-23168288

I guess that would explain how the Fulgrim book got on there.

[tall phoenix]

I genuinely cannot believe that piece of shit along with Era of Ruin made it on there

such awful books

[odd skiff]

The Imperium is peak what can we say

https://tenor.com/view/based-chad-crypto-4chan-wojak-gif-13857209471094525758

[tall phoenix]

👎

[drowsy urchin]

Finished the Eisenhorn trilogy again, good good stuff

will start Ravenor again tonight me thinks

[tacit void]

Ravenor good, give me Bequin Pandemonium abnett

[quaint canopy]

Yeah, I'm pretty hesitant to start Bequin before the last one is out.

[tacit void]

Eh id go for it anyway

The books are rlly good

[tall phoenix]

Id say hold it

Bequin 3 is done, its literally just waiting as per Abnett to be published on GW mandate for some reason

[autumn willow]

wait really?

when was this?

[forest spruce]

When is hasn't happened yet

[tall phoenix]

Awhile ago

[autumn willow]

Article link pls?

[tall phoenix]

he says it in Interceptor City

[autumn willow]

Like goddamn

We wait for what 2027 because dan is busy? (atleast I get the feeling)

[tall phoenix]

It ahs nothing to do with him being busy.

[tall phoenix]

^

[autumn willow]

ah sorry

[tacit void]

Apparently there is some serious lore in there

That they don't want to spoil or would spoil a future narrative

So james has it on hold

[forest spruce]

You mean GW wants to try and rebrand the eldar for the tenth time

[tacit void]

Who knows atp

[autumn willow]

thats actually a good point if we let GW keep some stuff a secret

[tacit void]

11e will prob see the book out

[autumn willow]

But then again Godblight showed Dan’s Future plans for HH ||Star Children||

[tall phoenix]

Star Child existed way before that

Abnett didnt invent the concept

[autumn willow]

my bad, I meant how Dan is gonna try writing new lore about them

[tall phoenix]

We dont really know

Abnett tends to usually live outside the spectrum

[autumn willow]

I still cant believe he can legally have enough sway to make novels only characters into models decades later and he help alot of None TT depictions of mundane life like Logistics and etc. Meanwhile most artist rarely can do it

Dark Heresy, Only War and etc

[tall phoenix]

Its a bit more complicated than that lol

[autumn willow]

Now waiting for Tzeentch Regiment and Slaanesh

[tall phoenix]

[autumn willow]

Khorne - Blood Pact
Nurgle - Moebians
Tzeentch - ??
Slaanesh - ??
I want all 4 gods with good drip regiments and written by Dan

[tall phoenix]

[autumn willow]

But the drip

they need it

[tall phoenix]

[autumn willow]

[tacit void]

Tzeentchians technically have the Prosperine Spireguard

Slaaneshis are truly forgotten tho sadly, the EC don't even have cultists on tabletop

[autumn willow]

barring HH we dont have official artworks for them though

BUT i wish dan abnett makes his own OC because Spireguards would have little creative freedoms imo

[smoky bronze]

Dan has pull because he came into writing for 40k with a bunch of marvel writing credits and stuff then built a rep where people liked most of the abnett-only lore

Hes good at not ruining stuff lol

[wide mica]

Just make models for the Sighted from Honourbound, then you're grand

[tall phoenix]

Arguable but mostly yeah

[mental cobalt]

my fwend got me for cwistmas ☺️

i'm gonna finish son of the forest then start

[tall phoenix]

🫡

[frigid osprey]

noice

[tacit void]

True enough, but i reckon they haven't changed too much

[smoky bronze]

At least compared to other writers gw has

departs from established lore for one second
12 foot tall space marine

[tall phoenix]

I mean

departs from established lore constantly

perpetuals

[autumn willow]

we start praying for More OC Chaos Alligned Regiments with good drip

we need to complete the big 4

🙏

[mellow knot]

Hey, Book People.

Slightly delayed, but Happy New Year to you all!

[forest spruce]

Happy new year to you writer person

[tall phoenix]

Likewise Author-Person

[autumn willow]

Happy New Year Boss! Grendyl is giving warband Tea and some drinks for celebration

[quaint canopy]

Just finished both Twice Dead King novels and I really enjoyed them. There is a lot of mono-/dialogue, but it's so worth it. Shockingly, the characters have actual depth and 😱 they change over time.
Character-wise, I've enjoyed this many times over both Eisenhorn and Ravenor and whatever else I've read.

[forest spruce]

Oh yeah they are great.

[mental cobalt]

that's bad opinion, nothing is better than ravenor and eisenhorn

other than bequin

[drowsy urchin]

They're probably my all time favourite books in warhammer

The Audiobook narrator Richard Reed does an excellent job with them

(he also voices a dreg champion in DT)

[quaint canopy]

I'd love to get into the audio books, but I don't want to sign up for audible and they're pretty pricey to buy directly.

[drowsy urchin]

Very reasonable, I'd love to have an option beyond audible because fuck amazon but there really isn't any

[noble jungle]

Over the holidays, I listened to The Restless Dead (DKoK propaganda, but enjoyable enough), Shadowsword (held my attention, but isn't really my thing), and Interceptor City (really good actually).
This made me realize again that I prefer stories in which you get at least some insights into daily live in the imperium. Battlefield-porn doesn't really do it for me anymore. That's why Eisenhorn and especially Warhammer Crime are my favorites.
Weirdly, it was Gaunts Ghost's that brought me to W40k in the first place and that is about 80% battlefield-porn iirc.

[snow siren]

Stories that peak behind the battle lines are GW’s best

But somehow GW is scared of them, so we don’t get that many

[drowsy stone]

I dislike kor phaeron more than I dislike erebus and that's a lot

[tall phoenix]

Hes a generic bad guy so checks out

[drowsy urchin]

Kor Phaeron be like: "ouughh I'm old and retired"

[tacit void]

He's a literal child abuser

He could've stood with the traitors at Terra but was too much of a coward (he foresaw he'd die there

If you have read Bearer of the Word and Children of Sicarus, you will see why this slimy fuck deserves so much more hate than erebus

[tacit void]

This guy did shit like beating Lorgar for being nice to slaves

[odd skiff]

Nearly finished garros series, I’ve lowkey been sleeping on garros storyline.

[unborn merlin]

I found Garro: Knight of Grey pretty underwhelming. Bro deserved better.

[tall phoenix]

Its a very lame novella

HAR HAR GARRO, IM MORTARION AND IM EVIL, JOIN ME OR DIE

Nuuuu you are not my dad anymore fuck you traitor scum DIIIIE

https://tenor.com/view/gayixiangs-gif-22421534

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/coffin-dance-coffin-dead-coffin-dance-dead-man-dead-gif-1795768380065876519

[fickle scroll]

I like the Alpha legion books, but outside of their own media they are usually missused sadly

[mental cobalt]

I'm reading lion son of the forest

and i feel like this Lohoc guy who doesn't take off his helmet is a chaos marine

just hiding his corruption

[odd skiff]

It’s Luther or Zahariel😈

[mental cobalt]

[digital ether]

New book haul just dropped:

[brittle tapir]

which space marine chapter is that

[odd skiff]

Looks like Black Templars

[tall phoenix]

They are used pretty well tbh

they are just stuck in corporate mandate to be TF2 Spy Marines

[oak pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/bucket-spy-red-tf2-team-gif-18679417

[digital ether]

@winged orchid, here ya go pal.

[autumn willow]

Playing Dawn of War after reading the books make it jarring sometimes

[winged orchid]

[fickle scroll]

Yeah Dawn of War is the last place where I expected the Alpha Legion. Zero infiltration tactics, just pure chaos marine stuff

[smoky bronze]

And that's why they're there...

[wide mica]

Read real books like the Horus Heresy

[odd skiff]

Truth nuke

Horus heresy haters have never read any Thramas Crusade book

[wide mica]

Yea bro's reading Le Morte d'Arthur and Chaucer when he could just be reading The Lion: Son of the Forrest

[odd skiff]

The Lion: Son of the Peak

The Lion is just the better King Arthur anyway

And then read The Lions arks of omen

Don’t bother with the other 4 arks of omen books they don’t matter

[autumn willow]

Abaddon speedrun is great

[odd skiff]

Sun Tzu, The Art of War? Just read, Lion El’Jonson: Lord of The First.

[snow siren]

The art of war taught me some fantastic business tactics

Setting fire to a rivals house is always a good way to get a promotion

[digital ether]

Never

Well, I would read some more Horus Heresy books, but I keep getting sidetracked by other neat books that I happen to remember exist.

[tacit void]

The art of war is more gaslight, gatekeep, girlboss

[fickle scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/inigo-montoya-you-killed-my-father-prepare-to-die-my-name-is-inigo-montoya-princess-bride-gif-16786490

[tall phoenix]

Classic

[mellow knot]

Dropping pop culture references into books is a tiny reward

Getting them past editors is a tougher game

[forest spruce]

That's gold

[final adder]

Is steel tread by andy clark good?

[drowsy urchin]

It's decent, I enjoyed probably more than most because of my tanker past (it didn't have enough tank specific stuff though)

[wide mica]

Just finished Honourbound, need another

Sequel now

[wide mica]

Fr I need a sequel now

[tall phoenix]

Bro is already in withdrawal

[wide mica]

Just a little short story to keep me going

A little short story about Raines wedding

Raine and Zane should have a double wedding

[tall phoenix]

[wide mica]

It's be peak

Raine and Fel, and Zane and Wyk

[tall phoenix]

Shut up!

[wide mica]

I need it

The Commissar and the Scion, the Psyker and the Drug addict

[tall phoenix]

SHUT IT

[wide mica]

Warhammer needs more romance

[potent warren]

ADB desperately wants to write a romance book iirc?

I can't remember if that has real weight tho.

I remember hearing about him wanting to do a DE romance book in Commorragh

[wide mica]

Honourbound had some romance, now I want more

[fickle scroll]

Cain books have a lot of romance

[wide mica]

They are unfortunately Cain books though

[fickle scroll]

Fair

I wish there were more books about space marine scouts, but they seem to only have short stories based around them

[snow siren]

Technically there’s Space Wolf

Not quite scout but it’s about the process of becomings a space marine

[severe trail]

Yeah like an extremely fucked up Romeo and Juliette

[potent warren]

Id read that tbh

GW will probably never let it happen

[severe trail]

He said if he got to write what he wanted exactly for it he’d likely never get to write a 40kbook again

lol

[snow siren]

Why never again?

What’s he done this time?

[severe trail]

Because it would be so extremely graphic I’d assume

He wanted to make the most fucked up deldar love story

Like Romeo and Juliette but with kabals and extremely messed up

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but we need more space marine books

[odd skiff]

Frfr we do

Dark Angels or Nightlord specifically

[tall phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1458483379686080532/wawawawawawawawawawawawawawa_bnuy.gif

[forest spruce]

Listen dilara they can't just release two of the best dark angels books and then abandon the entire plotline

Son of the forest and Lord of the fallen are just great and now ain't been nothing

[odd skiff]

They’ll most likely be another book after 500 worlds

Unless they pick up the lion el Jonson cameo at the end of the first 500 worlds book in the next one.

The rock is moving towards macragge and this transmission was received

All the malfeasance stuff is just because the imperium doesn’t recognise Johnson’s ident code anymore because it’s very old so just ignore that and skip to the bottom.

[shy lark]

Malfeasance Destiny 2 crossover confirmed

[tacit void]

I wonder if the Lion will redeem Cypher into the Risen

[odd skiff]

There’s a bit of a problem though considering guilliman is no longer at macragge or even in ultramar, so there could be a potential scuffle depending how the ultramarines take to the entire Dark Angels legion and their rock pulling up above the ultras homeworld and whether they recognise the lions authority.

[shy lark]

I can see it, he doesn't seem very chaotic

[odd skiff]

It depends what cypher it is.

[tacit void]

Still a primarch, i reckon it'd be less than willing at worst considering they have their own dad back, but he is a primarch, and a son of the emperor, i think theyd take heed

[drowsy urchin]

Where's this from?

[odd skiff]

The end of the first 500 worlds book

[tacit void]

Yeah, he's done some fucked up shit though, that's what i was wondering about, then again so has the Lion lmao

[drowsy urchin]

I see I see

[tacit void]

Zahariel El'Zurias

[odd skiff]

I don’t think it is imo

[tacit void]

Cousin to a murdered Chaplain

[odd skiff]

Brother to a fallen legion

[tacit void]

It's him or Corswain imo

And i doubt Corswain would ever fight for Chaos

[odd skiff]

I think it’s the knight of lupus somehow

[tacit void]

Hmmmm

Maybe yeah

[odd skiff]

Hear me out

[tacit void]

Ok ok ill let u cook

[shy lark]

Epimetheus broke out of his situation and timey wimey stuff he's Cypher, trust

[odd skiff]

This was Corswain right

[tacit void]

Yep

[tacit void]

Bro got part of slaanesh put in him iirc，but maybe

[odd skiff]

This was Zahariel

Ignore Nemiel

This was the knight of lupus cypher right

This is cypher in 40K

If it was Zahariel why does he have the armour and weapons of the knight of lupus

I think Zahariel is Lohoc and Corswain is yet to pop up

[tacit void]

He killed Cypher and stole his stuff no?

[odd skiff]

No

He didn’t take his armour or weapons

[tacit void]

In the Luther book iirc

Oh nvm then

[odd skiff]

He never touched even cyphers pistols

I reckon lupus cypher will side with Luther and Lohoc will reveal himself to be Zahariel and they’ll do a cypher vs cypher type fight at some point.

40K cypher not being into corruption means nothing when so many renegades hated chaos anyway and for the fallen it was never about siding with chaos it was always siding with Luther and calibans independence

[tacit void]

Hmm Lohoc being Zahariel does seem possible

[tacit void]

And this is true

I reckoned the last knight of lupus was the lord cypher killed by zahariel

But mayhaps i was wrong

[odd skiff]

They also noted how lohocs voice seems damaged from possibly a neck injury which if you remember Zahariels last confirmed sighting was battling Corswain and Corswain was skilled enough to cut a librarians throat, especially a half trained one.

[tacit void]

True that, but i doubt Zahariel was half trained, esp after his revelation at the hands of Ouroboros and his killing of Lord Cypher

[odd skiff]

He was still under israfaels training at the time he kills him

He wasn’t a full librarian yet

[tacit void]

Yeah, i meant more how his revelation changed him

He may have been half trained by imperial standards, but i feel he may have grew stronger on his own

Either way im not very qualified for DA stuff

Just guesses i suppose

[odd skiff]

Of course yeah he had the raw power but I still wouldn’t count the best fighter in the legion out from landing a neck injury on him

[tacit void]

I used to think Lohoc was the uh G name guy from angels of caliban

[tacit void]

True that

[tacit void]

Oh yeah galedan

The Marshal of the Watch would know Luther fired first, but then again so would Zahariel

[odd skiff]

Nah Galedan was one of merirs top boys I don’t think so

Not if Galedan was a member of merirs original chapter that got sent back to caliban in “disgrace” which wasn’t their fault if I’m honest.

That chapter became lions most hardcore haters

[tacit void]

Yeah true that

Belath really screwed them over

[tacit void]

That's why i thought he'd hide his face

Not just from the Lion, but mainly from the other Risen

[odd skiff]

Well see the way I’m thinking, to hide your face from EVERYONE you would surely be recognised by most of the legion which while Galatian was merirs top captain he wasn’t that famous and only three people In my mind were famous enough on caliban to be recognised by everyone and that was Luther, Merir, Cypher recognised as just cypher and Zahariel himself.

Like Galedan was important to merir but not important enough imo that most of the legion would know his face.

Maybe his name

It’s like Zahariels second in command of the librarius and no one knows his name or if they do they are usually a hardcore fan.

I’ve got his picture actually now I remember

[tacit void]

True enough, but as one of the senior fallen, id reckon if zahariel would be recognised as cypher so would galedan

But u make very valid points

[sonic walrus]

Wut if cypher is no one from any of the heresy books.

[tall phoenix]

Hes maybe empty air inside a suit

[sonic walrus]

Na he's a dark Angel not one of Magnus's foul breed.

[wide mica]

Cypher is Malcador

[sonic walrus]

3 Dan Abnetts in a tench coat

[odd skiff]

It always could be yeah

With Lord Cypher being a position or rank

[tall phoenix]

I love how people say all this stuff

but in reality the reveal is gonna be lame and everyone will hate it

40k has never made a satisfying answer to mystery

[tacit void]

I already hate all Fallen so ill be good

[sonic walrus]

Cypher is Alpharius

[odd skiff]

Heresy

[tacit void]

heheh

[odd skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[tall phoenix]

PIZZA THE HUTT

[odd skiff]

Cypher is the knight of lupus but Lohoc is Zahariel and Zahariel was also cypher and then Corswains gonna return and then the final redemption of the legion will be the risen facing their eviler mirror

Risen gonna beat down fallen

Zahariel Cypher gonna beat down knight of lupus cypher

Corswain gonna beat down merir Astelan

Lion gonna penetrate Luther

It all makes sense

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

[sonic walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-butt-head-mike-judge's-beavis-and-butt-head-s1-e11-that-is-funny-gif-1730554349856364521

[celest heron]

Hes a perpetual named jim

[smoky bronze]

Thousand sons???

[fickle scroll]

that's dust

[smoky bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-bait-mad-max-bart-simpson-funny-tv-boy-gif-9838062616755766620

[forest spruce]

@tall phoenix ||Did you want me to continue vaults of terra just so id get to the scene where a child gets gassed||

[tall phoenix]

||LOL nah tho that gassing scene is very funny||

Just the old lady goin

"Nahhh he'd never do that. Uh oh."

[forest spruce]

bruhhh

[tall phoenix]

Hey the base is intact a tleast

[forest spruce]

i mean yeah i fucking guess

[tall phoenix]

we did it patrick

we saved the fortress

[forest spruce]

||as soon as it swapped to the child pov i knew she was cooked||

[tall phoenix]

Dont worry it will get worse.

[odd skiff]

Dang how could Horus do this

[fringe thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-meg-griffin-family-guy-farting-gif-14670805

[odd skiff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1102363329038647296/1319826186695741502/lv_0_20241121204853.gif

[digital ether]

@next estuary, be careful pal.

Waffle House can be a crazy place.

[next estuary]

nw, I got my fight outfit all ready to go

https://tenor.com/view/maid-gif-22690065

[digital ether]

Uh

That’s a hell of a tone shift pal.

[plucky storm]

Just finished the Eisenhorn Trilogy. The first book grabbed my attention pretty quick, the second one was a slog, and the third one peaked then teetered off a little bit at the end, in my opinion. I enjoyed it a lot over-all and was bitter-sweet to finish it, which is how I know I liked something since its over now. I just started reading Magos. Does this story also follow Eisenhorn? I'm so confused. Only about maybe...20 pages in? And this person is talking about being a medic. It just feels like a very different book from the other three.

[hybrid turtle]

yeah it follows a biological magos thats lives like a hermit, that gets hired by eisenhorn later

far as i know is that there are a lot of other books that got released between eisenhorn 3 and magos

like the entire ravenor series got released in between

i believe magos is setting up the third series of the bequin books but im still at ravenor 3

[plucky storm]

I see...that makes a lot more sense then. Guess I'm just surprised it isnt narrated by him again. Thanks! I know about the Ravenor/Bequin series and will eventually visit those. If I'd known about their chronology before I'd have made the effort to read them in order but alas.

[drowsy urchin]

Raveror series happens in between Hereticus and Magos if that matters to you

Bequin is after Magos

ah I can't read, Grubbus said as much already

[plucky storm]

All good! I guess I ought to pause Magos and start Ravenor first then

Has anyone read the Bequin series? I found her character awfully boring and after-thought-y with her only two notable traits being beautiful and being a blank, which one of those two things is not a reason I read Warhammer books.

[hybrid turtle]

yeah i think ravenor is a good introduction to enuncia, which is a major plot point in magos too

[drowsy urchin]

Oh yeah definitely

[drowsy urchin]

The Bequin series (the two that are out) are the best in the series

[plucky storm]

Huh.

[drowsy urchin]

I'm currently on a redo of the series after 7 or so years as well (currently at the end of the first Ravenor book), it has really cemented the idea in my head that I already had that each subsequent book is better than the one before it, even though I really enjoy all of them

There are thing that I like more in Eisenhorn books compared to Ravenor ones but I still enjoy them a bit more

[snow siren]

I loved the timeline in Malleus

It’s so vast and epic, likewise in Hereticus, little things like the Candelmas celebration just added depth to the imperium

[signal current]

what up

[snow siren]

Nm, wbu?

[tall phoenix]

I think thats a bot lol

[snow siren]

And when they take over, this one might hesitate for a split second before obliterating my family and I

It’s why I always thank my calculator

[forest spruce]

Then I'll obliterate you for being a sympathizer

[uneven crane]

They started talking in gen chat, might be a legit person

[tall phoenix]

Damn 😔

[forest spruce]

He's in the Hogwarts legacy multiplayer mod server

[smoky bronze]

Trying to exploit the red role bot to post images
The specific rules of the role bot should remain secret but spamming to try and circumvent them should probably be against server rules imo lol

Man desperately wanted to post his drip (probably from this weeks commissary)

I bought the white enforcer armor and now im going to wait 100 years for a white slab shield to be available again

The old white shield has purity seals which is something but i hope we get a new one with lettering or candles

[snow siren]

Oh, they’ll get me anyway, that split second hesitation doesn’t save me

But it does make the other bots suspicious

[mental cobalt]

Okay i finished Lion son of the forest

And i would probably rate it as high-tier mid

maybe even good

[odd skiff]

Lion: Son of the Peak

[forest spruce]

Yeah now we just gotta wait 5 years for a sequal

[odd skiff]

Well

Unless you count arks of omen

[fickle scroll]

The issue with there being so many chapters/factions, is that the ones I find interesting don't get new material to keep up with my hunger😂

[snow siren]

The goal is to then make your own

Maybe with blackjack

Maybe with - anyways

[forest spruce]

A chapter that causally makes bets on which gaurdsman will survive a given battle

[forest spruce]

Why does the idea of the giant casino ship that goes from hive world to hive world crushing rebellions enslaving people and showing the nobility a good time just sound fun to me

Like yeah we're Marines but wargear doesn't pay for itself and nobles have deep coffers

The lead ship would be The House. Since the house always wind

[tall phoenix]

Lmfao bruh

im not sure it would be sometimes Marines do as even the most cruel Chapters are usually just exterminators instead of seeing it as "fun" but this sounds more befitting towards someone wealthy like a Rogue Trader

[forest spruce]

Fair

[quaint canopy]

Crushing your rebellion for 5 profit factor 😆

[tall phoenix]

Yeah people forget theres like a lot of evil rogue traders lol

Straight up sororitas tier zealots, slavers, warmongerers, etc

[forest spruce]

I'd do it for 1 profit

[quaint canopy]

Let the games begin!

[wide mica]

Anyone seen the Torchwood episode where aliens show up and demand 10% of all Earths children so that they can use them to make drugs, friend of mine introduced that concept into their RT game, had xenos demand kids from one of the planets they owned thinking it would create a lot of intense drama, the Group instead just haggled and sold the kids to them instead.

[odd skiff]

Yes

Jack kills his grandson too or something

[forest spruce]

Profit is profit as long as it benefits the imperium and your not selling the children from some world a chapter recruits from

[smoky bronze]

Im pretty sure chattel slavery is legal in the wider imperium right

It just seems like it would be

[tall phoenix]

Yeah lmao

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Slavery

Me and my friend Rabs went into extreme detail over it in this page we made.

theres like SO MANY examples of it, even planets like Alecto where its said to be "illegal" its still practiced.

[severe trail]

Yep

[smoky bronze]

Someone left citation tags but i think they have some confusion lol

citation needed on a value statement wikipedia would just source from some person saying it
We don't have doctorates in warhammer who are you supposed to cite

[tall phoenix]

Sources. Most of these are cited anyway so doesnt really matter lol

[smoky bronze]

Also the generational slavery line that's just a header to a bunch of examples

[tall phoenix]

I mean yeah?

theres like all kinds of slavery in the imperium

we just covered most that we know

[smoky bronze]

They tagged it as citation needed lol

[tall phoenix]

[smoky bronze]

We're not wikipedia we don't have 1 trillion secondary sources to avoid doing any original work on the page lmao

[tall phoenix]

What?

[smoky bronze]

Like we can't cite for "slavery is part of most or all imperial societies" unless like, games workshop says it outside a narrative

On wikipedia you're not allowed to do original research or synthesis

[tall phoenix]

I mean we can?

All these are from cited sources

minus obviously the "Citation Issue" ones which you can count on one hand which is just 6 of them

[smoky bronze]

No i mean they're randomly applying the much stricter wikipedia rules which only work because wikipedia articles are about way more general things

On wikipedia you'd have to find someone to cite as saying Slavery is a common institution practiced by multiple species across the galaxy, typically used as disposable assets to fuel industry. for instance but here its like

[tall phoenix]

Its unfortunately needed because lexi is entirely known for source citing.

[smoky bronze]

If gw didn't say it then who would have

[tall phoenix]

If there wasnt any strict wiki-sense we'd turn into the fandom wiki.

[smoky bronze]

I think you are confused as to what i am saying

[tall phoenix]

[smoky bronze]

A bunch of the tags were on things you cant cite for 40k because there arent 40k scholars writing standalone analysis books to cite analysis from

Which, good god if you had to cite people making 40k content for youtube you'd be worse off than nothing

All the statements about stuff you could actually find in a book are cited

This is my typecase Whether legal or illegal, it is an inherent part of nearly every Imperial society, to varying degrees. the tagger tagged this and on wikipedia you'd have to cite someone credible saying it but here who's going to say that? The emperor? A gw press release?

[tall phoenix]

Because thats not really how 40k lore works though?

[smoky bronze]

Yes

Which is why i think the citation needed tags are funny

[tall phoenix]

You literally get lore relevations from every kind of perspective.

First person, second person, third person, narrators, out-of-universe blogposts, etc.

[tall phoenix]

Nah its very understandable.

Like I said above lexi's entire thing is sources. Because even authors actually use the site from some evidence people have picked up in books.

(like how one planet having a typo in its name in a lexi page ended up with a published book also having the exact same misspelling lol)

[smoky bronze]

Some of the later ones are a lot more justified

There's a few that are just "novel work had to happen because dr warhammer didn't write a book called an analysis of imperial slavery" which i guess you could cut as unsubstantiated

[smoky bronze]

(Re?)reading Baneblade, Guy Haley does such a good job portraying the way things like a baneblade are treated in the imperium

The tech adept mounting the blank plaque for the commanders names and then cutting to the tank commander going to contemplate a thousand years worth of his predecessors

[smoky bronze]

I think it must have been shadowsword i read the enemy was traitor guard not orks

[fickle scroll]

both are great, really get into the "normality" of 40k. kinda like how Halo: ODST made me feel

are there any books about the minotaurs?

[autumn willow]

Watchers of the Throne

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Watchers_of_the_Throne:_The_Regent's_Shadow_(Novel)

I won't say much but they are relevant

[fickle scroll]

okido, i just bought the whole series

[tall phoenix]

Not really no

Best you can do is read up on them in the Badab War, their appearance in Watchers is semi-proponent’ish

[fickle scroll]

yeah I gathered that they don't have much books etc, but there are a lot of shorts about minotaurs and others meet, like minotaurs and The Red Wake

never sure if that's fanfic or "real"

[severe trail]

Tyberos goes to the loyalist war council says nothing, contributes nothing

and leaves

during Badab

Didn't even listen to anything either

[fickle scroll]

Ahh, so I really should look into Badab then. Any recommendations?

[drowsy urchin]

the campaign books for it

Imperial Armour 9 and 10

[tall phoenix]

^

Just read the fandom wiki

It literally copy pasted everything from the 2 rulebooks lol

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Badab_War

[fickle scroll]

Ah thanks

[autumn willow]

wiki and not lex?

💀

[tall phoenix]

Its literally just the books copy pasted

Shut up bronx lol

[odd skiff]

Not very peak lex enjoyer of you Dilara

[fickle scroll]

the Karthans were made to pay for their transgressions, with the entire 14 billion strong population of Sidon Ultra committed to indentured servitude for six generations in payment of their outstanding debt

Uhhh ouch

[tall phoenix]

Normal for the Imperium tbh

Good for writers to remind people they suck

[tacit void]

If you want smth abt the Astral Claws, Master of the Maelstrom is a book to read

[fickle scroll]

Yeah I've already read the wiki page, I was mostly just interested in the minotaurs, as they seem like boogeyman

[tacit void]

Oh i see

[snow siren]

The key part of the Badab War is the Badab Schism

Ira the legal civil war that erupted when Huron pointed out that technically he doesn’t have to pay the tithe

It got really nasty because he won

[sonic walrus]

Another key part about the badab war, was the badab war.

[tall phoenix]

Ba War

[fickle scroll]

should have become a rogue trade instead

[tall phoenix]

Marines cant be rogue traders

(tragic)

[frigid osprey]

40k 🤝 schisms

[mellow knot]

Can confirm

[tall phoenix]

If theres anything I hate its people forgetting these honestly

[mellow knot]

I mean, I must suck. I argued for ages once with someone about a story detail because apparently what I was saying was wrong.

I mean, I wrote it, but sure.

😄

In other news.. hello!

[tall phoenix]

Tbh we got people on r40klore saying "Erm what BL writers wrote on Darktide doesnt matter because-"

Shut up dumbass

[tall phoenix]

[mellow knot]

Doesn’t remotely surprise me.

This convo was in response to someone saying ‘there’s never any blood brothers in Space Marine stories’. I pointed out that there were a pair of Red Corsair twins in ‘The Tyrant’s Champion’, but was roundly told I was wrong and that it didn’t mean they were actual brothers.

My bad, obvs.

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

Yeah some space marine fans got a real huge image of "they can no do wrong ever and never make stupid decisions/acts" which is uhhh looks at the entirety of the Horus Heresy

[mellow knot]

I enjoy having my boys make bad decisions

Gileas has made so many bad choices.

[tall phoenix]

Hes the Goatleas for a reason

also Miss Cawkwell please come back to write for BL, I need some good marine novels

[mellow knot]

Awww, thank you!

I can offer you the alternative of Twilight Imperium which was enormously fun to write and feature a pair of frenemies who amuse me no end

[tall phoenix]

I'll try to check it out 😔

[autumn willow]

Marines making mistakes (Human Errors) always have the best stories. E.G in Dawn of War 2 Captain Diomedes makes alot of mistakes and in denial until he kill the chapter master
or
Chapter use chaos artifacts and corrupts majority of members

[mellow knot]

Like in ‘Portents’ when Gil is waving about a Chaos Sorcerer’s chainsword.

Nothing bad could come of that, Gil, not even with the foreshadowing, could it? No. I’m sure you’re all good, lad.

[autumn willow]

POV:
Chaos Rising gameplay, just two mission. Oh I forgot to Unequip it (Chaos Bad ending)

[mellow knot]

oopsie!

[fickle scroll]

do Grey Knight count? cause they had twin brother fighting side by side

[autumn willow]

Yeah and Blood of Iax

[mellow knot]

If that’s how they were written then of course. My point is that someone told me my own story was wrong. 🙂

[autumn willow]

I think its hyperion novel (GK Twins)

or was it uh Codex?

[fickle scroll]

well did you even read it yourself? XD

[mellow knot]

That must have been where I went wrong!

[fickle scroll]

Hyperion yeah, I was very surprised Hyperion was a character I knew before

[mellow knot]

I have been told on a couple of occasions that ‘that isn’t what the author meant’

[fickle scroll]

not Eisenhorn, but the other inquistor

[autumn willow]

NGL I trolled a friend of mine to read hyperion books before ||Eisenhorn||

he was legit shocked and never knew the plot twist

[fickle scroll]

oooof

[autumn willow]

[fickle scroll]

I was like waaaait a minute, I recognise that name

[mellow knot]

I’ve mastered the art now of just replying to those with ‘OK.’

[fickle scroll]

I love those second hand embarrassing moments online. Like do you even know who you are talking to???

[mellow knot]

I’m cursed with being quite shy about it all so usually, they probably don’t, to be fair, and on the couple of occasions I have ventured to offer that clarification, it evidently immediately goes in one ear and out the other

[fickle scroll]

yeah, your story reminded me of people telling Stephen King he is wrong about his own stories

which is a much more well known artist ofc, but not everyone notices I guess

[mellow knot]

It’s taken me a long time to speak up and say ‘oh hey, look at all this stuff I’ve written!’

[autumn willow]

out of curiosity, did you try working on the lore books like these?

Maybe Artbooks too?

[mellow knot]

No, they were nothing to do with me 🙂

[autumn willow]

thanks for the answer
🫡

[mellow knot]

All good!

[smoky bronze]

Shadowsword starts out with some beautiful imperial futility

demand more flesh tithe
they say no they've already sent too many
go to war
more people die than you were going to raise

[tall phoenix]

Shadowsword is peak 🙏

the ending is also the most morbidly funny thing

[smoky bronze]

I think this lord solar macharius guy might be bad at logistics

[odd skiff]

It’s the principle.

Suffer not the tax evader or whatever BT say

[fickle scroll]

is that where the commisar "hits his head"?

cause Grey knights? never heard of m

[tall phoenix]

Nope, thats a different book.

[fickle scroll]

baneblade then

[smoky bronze]

‘We’re in a metal box, inside another metal box, in a third metal box, waiting to be dropped into a firefight. is this a mf firaveus carrion reference

[smoky bronze]

Nah different tanker novel the only commisar in baneblade is an unnamed one at the meeting on the leviathan

[fickle scroll]

really? I'd swear it's one of the baneblades, as it has the druggy as a driver

[smoky bronze]

Hes presumably a sane one based on the stuff he says and how the salvar he's commissar to haven't fragged him already

The driver in baneblade is the drunk

Shadowsword has the salvar huffer

Ill report back if a commissar has an unfortunate accident

[fickle scroll]

oh you're currently reading it? cause nvm, spoilers

[smoky bronze]

I've read it before i think, years ago

I remember scenes

[fickle scroll]

Wellll in that case

[smoky bronze]

I love the little interstitials though, the tiny details

[fickle scroll]

Yeah the chem dog murks the commisar in like the last chapter

Otherwise the shadowsword crew would be dead due to warp exposion

[smoky bronze]

supplies inadequate. Petition #100003427328905, filed 976.M40, unresolved its 398 m41 in the story lol

[fickle scroll]

Just a tiny delay

[smoky bronze]

Undersupplied for 400 years

Did scions get introduced between these books

Because i don't think the paramounts, the elite guard we see on the leviathan in baneblade, are mentioned as being scions but they are in shadowsword

macrocannon emplacements.

In case you need to shoot a battleship out of the sky i guess

Wait im thinking of nova cannons

Macro cannons only shoot leman russ sized shells not building sized ones

The dropship just leaving with the CO of the company and his hellhound

Forgot to put a manual release on the thing

[smoky bronze]

They all looked at one another.
‘He’s speaking a lot of sense,’ said Epperaliant.```

Love this guy

[tall phoenix]

this feels like a Simpsons bit

i can hear the not-arnold voice

[smoky bronze]

I hear him as crab juice guy

"what do you have"
"spider-rat venom"
"what else"
"mountain dew"
"I'll take the spider rat venom"

[drowsy urchin]

Oh yeah this came up last week

[languid pollen]

What app is that?

that for audio books?

[drowsy urchin]

Audible

[fickle scroll]

Well done

[tender gate]

@tall phoenix hah I love crab juice guy, I just got the arbitrator dlc and named him duffman, my dog is bark simpson

Sup all I've been playing this game for a little while and started listening to the horus heresy audio books a few months back lately I've been just fuckin tearing through them though I'm on mechanicus now

**mechanicum

[tall phoenix]

Very important distinction ☝️

[tender gate]

I believe that, I've been eyeballing that game so it was on my mind hah

[smoky bronze]

Ive been continuing my rounds of the classic with titanicus

Titan novel not have the enemy hiding an imperator scale weapon challenge (impossible)

‘If it doesn’t work, I won’t blame you,’ said Varco. ‘Given the various ways it’s likely not to work, sir, you won’t be in a position to.’

They were in a shanty that had declared itself to be Gorge Orewelt 411984...

[smoky bronze]

Titanicus is great but all the stuff with the pdf lady's husband feels so pointless besides making sure her ending isnt happy

[autumn willow]

This is interesting
-Author more or less writing a story that challenges the Krieg Memes. He wrote the commissar and his aide as a balance between their humanity and the dehumanization of Krieg troops.
-He also wants to explore that even if Krieg culture stripped them of their humanity. What if deep down theres still remnants within them
-Commissar is struggling to regroup with his regiment as he doesnt want the krieg regiment under his command to die needlessly
-Tau vs Krieg Story

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hewvydtm/can-a-commissar-really-restrain-the-death-korps-ask-the-author-of-death-rider/

[fickle scroll]

Yeah the commissar-krieg relations are always very interesting. There was also one time where the krieg general told the commissar to leave, as the situation was basically doomed and the commissar was no krieg so he wasn't duty bound

[tacit void]

One time, a bunch of Kriegers killed their commissar so they could run away

[autumn willow]

yeah siege of vraks

[tall phoenix]

The author also famously hates how the Krieg fandom is along with their stupid meme culture.

So this book actually might be good lol

[shy lark]

Whaddya know, I went from no hope to it might be worthwhile

[tall phoenix]

Same lol

[forest spruce]

What a strange world we live in

[celest heron]

Actual ww1 plz

[smoky bronze]

Krieger novel where they learn about ww1 and get really confused

[fickle scroll]

"what's the big deal?"

[random marlin]

I'm looking forward to this one, as it's the same author who wrote The Sums of Its Parts, loved this short story as it was very creative and humanized the characters in a few pages, even a|| Genestealer cultist||. I feel he'll be a perfect fit for the DKOK and he should bring a fresh perspective for the Kriegers.

[tall phoenix]

He said he wants to remind people that Krieg are awful people

so its one of the other reasons im looking forward to it

idiots like Lyons hero-fy them way too much

[autumn willow]

Interesting and never read his books but looking forward to Death Rider.

[odd skiff]

A writer who hates the characters he’s writing about? I’m sure it will be great.

[tall phoenix]

Nobody said anything about him hating Krieg dingus

are Krieg not awful people?

[odd skiff]

I don’t know, I hate them and don’t read their books

[tall phoenix]

[odd skiff]

The Word Bearers book releasing alongside it on the other hand?

https://tenor.com/view/dawg-gif-9809482320226184314

[tacit void]

I've read some of the Krieg Books a long time ago, yeah kriegers are asshats but since lyons writes from their pov its easy to lionise their nigh insanity

[tacit void]

Indeed

[high willow]

Anything that fights back against the memeification of 40k is a good thing, and I’m prepared to vote with my wallet

cough thx janovich

[tall phoenix]

Janovich is a complete shill so

[celest heron]

do they even have the agency to be bad people?

They are vat born indoctrinated to be annoying with a low sense of self preservation

[autumn willow]

IIRC In the Imperial Armour books, They kill their own wounded if they cant be recyled

[celest heron]

Yeah because the gear is worth more than the man

[autumn willow]

Most of the time Krieg Commissars have to be moraly emphathetic to keep their krieg troops alive. Most of the time they intervined when they do Pointless charges or not caring for the wounded

[celest heron]

Yeah because they are annoying

and have a disregard for life

[tall phoenix]

Yes?

You dont have to know morals to commit atrocities

[celest heron]

True

[tall phoenix]

[forest spruce]

Bombs city. City surrenders. Keeps bombing city.

[tall phoenix]

Lmao that lore bit was entirely going through my head

[severe trail]

genocide moment

[fickle scroll]

Tbf, you spent so much time to set it up, and then the city surrenders and kills the vibe, I'd be pissed too

[forest spruce]

They spent years bombing an empty coty

At a certain point there's only bricks and your wasting ammo

[autumn willow]

Cant wait for the plot twist is that Commissar is dead and they cant disobey orders from their colonels

[tacit void]

Thanks Anno

[odd skiff]

Utter Woke Nonsense.

[frigid osprey]

has this not been available in audiobook yet?

[drowsy urchin]

Nope

[frigid osprey]

ohhhh

well its poggers

[drowsy urchin]

they release these mid 2000s 10s books as audiobooks every now and then

[fickle scroll]

"blood drinkers" are loyalists? Is their genefather F-ing Von Carstein??

[severe trail]

Sanguinus

Also there’s the Gore Golems
flesh eaters
Flesh tearers
Executioners
Brazen Annihilators

Ect.

Carrion crows

[fickle scroll]

yeah, Idk who does their marketing

[severe trail]

Tbf

Better then the Gore Golems

[fickle scroll]

oh yeah, they got done dirty

[severe trail]

Being loyalist doesn’t mean you gotta have a nice sounding name

I love genocide
-average space marine

[tall phoenix]

Space Marines are pretty evil in general so its not that shocking tbh

[fickle scroll]

well you can be very evil and not have a name that sounds like a Marvel villian

[potent warren]

Buddy this is 40k

Do yk how many names in this franchise are objectively stupid 80s cheese?

[fickle scroll]

if you asked me which is the bad guy, the thousand sons, or the blood drinkers

[tall phoenix]

40k is like aggressively Marvel with most of the shit it does tbh

[fickle scroll]

yeah I get it, i'm just saying that who ever did the in-universe marketing is on smth

[severe trail]

The imperium gives the title tyrant as a compliment

lol

[fickle scroll]

yeah okay, touche

[severe trail]

Being known as the Tyrant of (X system) is indication you’ve done a good job at keeping it in order/ruling it

[fickle scroll]

like that guy from the badab wars

[potent warren]

Formerly Lufght Huron

Tyrant of Badab

[severe trail]

Yeah

Also there’s imperial ship class names as well

[tall phoenix]

"that guy" is crazy

[fickle scroll]

I'm not very good with names, and also lazy

[potent warren]

His Infinite and Very Selective Mercy being the best

Whats that setting with the AIs that name themselves btw?

Was thinking about that recently but I couldn't find it

[severe trail]

The Murder, The Dictator, Tyrant(they called 2 diff ship classes this), The Slaughterer

These are all imperial ship class names

The Murder being a major workhorse of the imperium before chaos stole a bunch lol

Oh yeah also The Carnage class

[potent warren]

I think it's important to remember the imperium was perfectly okay with the NL before they swapped sides and the NLs behavior hasn't changed much if at all

[severe trail]

But that one was kind of shit

And got mothballed

So many of the chaos ships in 40k are just imperial ships but older/stolen/mothballed and spiky

[fickle scroll]

they are one of the only ones that didn't require perfecting

[severe trail]

They had the edgy names from the start

Which is funny

Like the fuck you mean the mechanicus named a ship class “slaughterer” class

[severe trail]

Sentenced to reading all of Das Kapital

[potent warren]

And it's footnotes for reference

[fickle scroll]

Das boot

[severe trail]

Marx arguing why all other communists are wrong and stupid

[fickle scroll]

we need space submarines

[severe trail]

And why he’s correct

[fickle scroll]

they'd be so useless it be funny

[severe trail]

All the flavors of eldar can have invisible ships if you count that

lol

[fickle scroll]

I want more Harlequins then, they have so little books. I need more Mort as well

[fickle scroll]

isn't 1984 banned in Russia for being anti-communist, and in USA for being Communist?

[severe trail]

It’s not banned in the US

yet

I don’t know if it’s banned in Russia or not

[velvet rose]

It's not banned in Russia. It was banned in USSR though

[smoky bronze]

The Culture

[potent warren]

Thank you

They have some gold in there

[smoky bronze]

my boy Ultimate Ship The Second

big fan of culture ships

[potent warren]

Big fan of uh

"Just The Washing Instruction Chip In Life's Rich Tapestry"

[mental cobalt]

I loved this part in the scouring

I know the nerds got mad reading it

[tall phoenix]

Yeah there was posts about it week 1

also some fucking guy was saying "dont buy this book" just due to this bit

SHE APPEARS FOR 2 PAGES....

😭

[drowsy urchin]

utter woke nonsense,,,

[odd skiff]

Ay that’s my line

[odd skiff]

Utter Woke Nonsense.

[odd skiff]

It’s me fr

[final adder]

1984 was never banned in the US. And afaik it was received very well here

George Orwell's works are generally regarded with high esteem here

My freshman english class in high school had us read Fahrenheit 451.

[wide mica]

Fahrenheit 451 Isn't Orwell

It's by Ray Bradbury

[final adder]

Oh mb

Well my point still stands, both 1984 and animal farm we're well received here

[celest heron]

Wasnt that a prank youtuber

[celest heron]

There is a really good double feature paperback

[wide mica]

Fahrenheit 451 was also banned in some schools in America, think mainly Florida and Texas

Not like universally, but a couple

[celest heron]

Brave New World is the weirder one, and the first hald was interesting