40k-book-club

[celest heron]

lets go attack lucius' flagship itll go great

[severe trail]

have you considered

funny

[tall phoenix]

braindead attracts braindead

Lucius' sphere of stupidity infects everyone

[celest heron]

true

[pale vigil]

No, but they typpppically do stick to their word, in whatever monkey's paw ass method they choose

[celest heron]

true

[tall phoenix]

I mean no they dont

chaos gods are all liars

Vashtorr is the only honest one

which is hilarious

[celest heron]

maybe in fantasy they might

[tall phoenix]

nope

they are cunts

the novels have some hilariou sdepictions of the lies/monkey paw shit they do

[severe trail]

nah the chaos gods always fucking lie

lol

[smoky bronze]

Besides "all the eldar souls" is a pretty big deal worth breaking your word over

[severe trail]

they always monkey paw shit

even if they make a "promise"

[tall phoenix]

its why its better in Fantasy/AOS

[celest heron]

I meant honored in the monkey paw way

when its funny

[severe trail]

put Vashtorr in AoS

[tall phoenix]

The elves just find slaanesh all fattened up

and fucking disembowel him

LMAO

[severe trail]

the forge of souls is real

[pale vigil]

Just the DE ones

[severe trail]

they make slaanesh puke up the souls

very funny

[smoky bronze]

I need to learn the wacky end times lore

[tall phoenix]

ıts like a cartel torture scenario

[viral juniper]

Hashut vs Vashtorr

[tall phoenix]

this is post-end times

they literally find slaanesh like

[severe trail]

Hashut isn't industry and artifice

Hashut is tyranny

[tall phoenix]

sleeping in some fucking dream cave

[smoky bronze]

The elves beating the shit out of slaanesh directly is super funny

[tall phoenix]

and jump his ass

lmao

[severe trail]

GET SLAANESH'S ASS

also

Slaanesh is chained up

now lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah tho slowly breaking free

after like uhhh

10 IRL years

[smoky bronze]

Caught lacking

[celest heron]

he probably likes it

sick fuck

[viral juniper]

renegade Vashtorr worshiping Helsmiths could be a neat idea though

[severe trail]

anyways never noticed this art literally had Slaanesh's dick out

if you look carefully enough

💀

[tall phoenix]

shut up wolf

💀

[severe trail]

no

its awful

[tall phoenix]

yes

shut up

[severe trail]

I saw it and now everyone else has to know

[celest heron]

forbidden chastity belt

[severe trail]

fuck you

[pale vigil]

I see that suspiciously shaped patch of nebula

Slaanesh is neat when portrayed as just star dust or constellations

[tall phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1377109813854736494.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=TheSilly

[severe trail]

Anyways the elf gods jumping slaanesh is funny as shit

10/10 moment in AoS

[pale vigil]

I should go looking for chaos god artwork - I wanna see if anyones done Khorne as just an endless pile of skulls where the throne is so far away you can't see it

[tall phoenix]

Nah

theres one from AOS hold on

[pale vigil]

Those 4 pics of the Gods properly characterized, with Tzeentch looking like a mollusk, are neat but I'd like to see some way more esoteric depictions

[tall phoenix]

This and that Slaanesh artwork is like the only ones we got

theres no official art of what they look like

[celest heron]

why does he have anurgle stomach mouth

[tall phoenix]

because it looks cool and nurgle doesnt own the IP of gut-mouths

shut up nimrod

[celest heron]

no u

[tall phoenix]

✋

[pale vigil]

Well Khorne does do a bit of snacking

[celest heron]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-warpfire-skaven-clan-skryre-warpfire-thrower-gif-12960378359470831154

[pale vigil]

He's on a mostly liquid diet tho, soul drinking and all that

Blood too - has Khorne ever been given vampiric traits/followers? I feel like they'd kinda work well together

[celest heron]

also chaos champion guy looks like he is taking a piss

[tall phoenix]

Actually Fantasy covers this

[celest heron]

which makes it weay funnier

[viral juniper]

Konrad Von Carstein gets corrupted iirc

[tall phoenix]

thank you Herman Hackgut

very profound

[severe trail]

He’s wrong, Soulterrorx gorereaper in 40k drinks blood

Smh

[celest heron]

IDK Hermann sounds trustworthy

[viral juniper]

I am sure they could do some other stuff with Vampiric khornates, but Fantasy/AoS vampires aren't really liked by chaos iirc

[celest heron]

picture of a young hermann

[pale vigil]

Probably one of the most metal images ever created by man

[tall phoenix]

Yeah they arent

Vamps are entirely tied to necromancy/nagash

and Nagash is a supreme-cuntlord as we all know

[celest heron]

nagash seems like a stand up guy

[severe trail]

Such is the power of nagash

[celest heron]

is nagash a god?

feel like he is a god

[pale vigil]

He's self made

Thats about all I know

[viral juniper]

he is now

[viral juniper]

makes them not have souls or have icky souls iirc

[tall phoenix]

Yes.

hes THE god of death

he basically worked his entire career in WHF to rise to be one

[celest heron]

he was grindin

[forest spruce]

welp im finally back to where i stopped listening to vaults the first time

[severe trail]

As of AoS yes, he is the largest god of death by far and it’s not even close

He absorbed almost all his competitors

[frigid osprey]

hashut hashut hashut

[wintry blade]

Any others?

[wintry blade]

Side note, is arks of omen really that bad?

[odd skiff]

Yo who tf is this chad marine?

[severe trail]

they're rulebooks

therfore rulebook lore

it is mostly drier but there's a lot of lore in them

YMMV

I quite like them

they characterize vashtor well

and they have interesting events

[tall phoenix]

No? Arks is very good

the only universally disliked event rulebooks were Psychic Awakening

[autumn willow]

Main Issue with arks iirc was pacing

Arks of Omen was like Speedrun story telling without fleshing out sectors much

[severe trail]

I mean its again rulebook lore

[autumn willow]

Yeah

[severe trail]

they only have so much time

[tall phoenix]

^

all rulebooks are like that

[severe trail]

Even forgeworld rulebooks

Go fast as fuck lol

They just cram more in due to their formatting

[tall phoenix]

I wouldnt really say fast

some FW books can take like 2-3 days to read lol

[pale vigil]

Just saw someone say, "I wish GW put out more content for the Horus Heresy, there's barely any material covering it"

Meanwhile, the 60+ black library books...

[wise yew]

Barely any content And it has enough books to fill an entire bookshelf over must have been ah visual video only watcher type guy

[pale vigil]

I understand that some books are kinda hidden away/their subject matter isn't super exposed, but literally a 3 words google search got me most of the list

Like whats the book, Imperial Armour or something? That apparently features the Carcharodons quite a bit but there's like, zero reference to that fact lmao

[tall phoenix]

Well yeah because it isnt about them

they are 1 chapter amidst like 18 that were involved in the conflict, they play a bit of a pivotal role but they are a sidepiece

it was also their big entrance into the setting

[snow siren]

The Badab War books

You don’t want to read it if you’re a fan, the Carcharadon’s get slapped around

Really punctures the fan glaze of them

[tall phoenix]

I mean do they? They literally come in, raid/pillage, blow up shit then leave.

Its about where almost all their glaze comes from

[snow siren]

Nah, I’m exaggerating, but their performance is exaggerated too, they get caught out by the Mantis Warriors big time

[tall phoenix]

Tbh the Mantis Warriors literally get clobbered so i dont think its that big of a deal

[snow siren]

Essentially, if they weren’t as cool as they are (which is pretty cool) they wouldn’t be exaggerated as much

[snow siren]

The Mantis Warriors match them and hold them

The Carchs keep losing so start raiding imperial cities and wiping the civilian populations out

This is a chapter who’d been fighting for 8-10 years at this point, and started with only 800 Astartes

The quote for the battle of tranquility is ‘the ferocity of the Charcaradon’s was matched by the skill of the Mantis Warriors’

[odd skiff]

No what they need is to cover the badab war more

Or the war of the lost primarch

Whoever he really was

[tall phoenix]

Well yeah and we know who comes out ontop at the end

[snow siren]

Yeah, the Administratum

Their bootlickers get all the glory and forgiveness they need

[odd skiff]

Those traitor Lamenters should have been executed

Fuck Lamenters and their fake fanon made up moto

[snow siren]

‘Why us?’
‘What did we do this time?’
‘What’s next’
‘Oh shit’

[tall phoenix]

I dont think they were looking for forgiveness

[tall phoenix]

Once more ever grateful to Snipe & Wib for calling that shit out

the mini edit-wars in the fandom wiki over it was hilarious after the vid came out

[autumn willow]

You know

Its rare GW didn't follow up the meme

[snow siren]

They got it though

[autumn willow]

unlike the Blood Ravens (They were mentioned on a stream years ago)

[tall phoenix]

[tall phoenix]

Its not.

GW doesnt give a shit about fandom memes/opinions

if it ever happens its very rare

[autumn willow]

Blood Ravens meme was mentioned once years ago but corrected themselves it was a meme

[tall phoenix]

Yeah so not the same thing

[snow siren]

That’s how Tyberos became a giant

MacNiven really liked the fan artwork of Tyberos looming over the one armed guy, so he wrote it into the novels that Tyberos is huge

So most of GW don’t care

[autumn willow]

oh right the books

I forgot MacNiven like Fandom Arts

[autumn willow]

actually

Saturnine

I remember Saturnine Power Armor was mostly fan art and memes then GW just grabbed it

[odd skiff]

I wasn’t there for that lol how bad was it?

[autumn willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weRj6pjxJR8

IIRC its not really bad just small debates on keeping it

[tall phoenix]

Thats not a meme, thats just misinformation, GW only cashed in on it because they realised they'll get way more traction by playing into it

they very much knew Saturnine was not its name lol

[tall phoenix]

There was like 3 weeks of the editors just constantly removing/putting back the made up motto because "it sounds cool" in proper dimwit fandom wiki fashion

[autumn willow]

wait until a writer sneaked it years later

Its gonna be those One Sentence Archive in a Open World Game

[odd skiff]

I mean it’s exaggerated by memes. Lore wise he is one foot taller than the average marine.

[odd skiff]

lol. Common warhammer wiki L.

Lexicanum reigns supreme

[tall phoenix]

Always

[snow siren]

He was created to be normal height, making him bigger is purely down to the fan art

[tacit void]

Ig he has joined the "bigmarine" club with seth and polux

[snow siren]

Don’t forget Alberec

[tacit void]

Silas Hellslayer Alberec

How could i

[snow siren]

Tybby was also a probably a Veteran Sergeant or a Captain during Badab

He was the equerry and captain of the Nicanor. He was likely picked for equerry because he’s unusually chatty for the chapter (I just made this up)

[snow siren]

Silas “it’s all in proportion. What?! No, my mace, my mace is in proprotion, god emperor almighty unsully your mind” Alberec

[celest heron]

Thats not a marine

Thats wh fantasy

[forest spruce]

That's just a normal guy

[celest heron]

so true

[odd skiff]

Damn it looked like one

[celest heron]

yup

he just built that way

[odd skiff]

Wait so chaos warriors aren’t even super soldiers?

[celest heron]

yup

[odd skiff]

Bruh

[celest heron]

just chads

[autumn willow]

Chosen are the super soldiers

[celest heron]

i mean they are sorta enhanced

[autumn willow]

Chaos Warriors wear the plate armor

[celest heron]

by the gods

[shy lark]

Yeah they're just cool motherfuckers

[autumn willow]

But chosen are the ones powered by gods

[forest spruce]

The sm fan can't comprend that a normal guy looks that cool

[odd skiff]

I can’t. Usually only based marines got that drip.

But not being super soldiers is lowkey cringe. But the drip makes up for it.

[viral juniper]

tbf they kinda are super soldiers

i'd consider chaos juiced as close enough

Chosen are just the next step up, but if you got chaos warrior armor you are pretty damn juiced

[odd skiff]

Well chaos juiced is alright then

[viral juniper]

it also doesn't change that a chaos warriors power is purely earned, they didn't get cheats prior like CSM do

[shy lark]

normal guys vs normal guys as Sigmar intended

Those guys on the right just ate their wheaties

[viral juniper]

empire halberdiers facing down the same daemons Space marines do

[tall phoenix]

No need to be a marine to be a badass

chaos warriors are the OG big muscle pauldron fuckers

[autumn willow]

Chaos Warriors are technically Super Soldiers only when they become “Chosen”. Thats when Chaos Gods favor them

Usually Chaos Warriors wear the plate armor as a social status and veteran warriors iirc

[viral juniper]

iirc chaos armor is a lot bigger deal then just plate armor

[autumn willow]

yeah

My bad

[tacit void]

Yeah blessings of the dark gods and all

[celest heron]

my favorite part about the old warrior art is the amount of weapons

mans got a sword, an axe, and 2 daggers

[viral juniper]

some of my favorite art of Chaos warrior/lords

[oak pollen]

that dude behind the handgunner has a giant ass 1 handed sword

oh hey thats from mark of chaos, thought it looked familiar

[wintry blade]

Anyways, any other 40K horror recommendations

[tacit void]

The Dark Coil: Damnation

[runic root]

By the only hungarian to write Warhammer

[shy lark]

Watcher in The Rain is also good

I thought the Deacon of Wounds and House of Night and Chain were pretty alright too

[severe trail]

Night shift nineteen it’s a short story and part of dark coil but it’s goood

[wintry blade]

Darn I thought dark coil: damnation was like a sequel to dark coil, but it seems I’ve read it already

[tacit void]

Well then, how about the Reverie

[shy lark]

It's quite good

I needed like two attempts to get through it because Fehervari does things a little strangely but I ended up liking it

[runic root]

Finished the space shark book

Definetly Interested in the first two

Although It feels a bit funny how the chief librarian brute forced Sharrs redemption 🫠

Also also after reading the Uriel ventris sextologie, the space marine redemption ark is getting a bit old

[final adder]

New book dropping next year for you chaos lovers out there

[wide mica]

Year of Chaos????

[tall phoenix]

Mid of Chaos

[vale wren]

Every year is the year of chaos if you're down bad enough

[wise yew]

Dilara will melt like the witch of oz when she gets hit by water when she ain't hating

[sturdy dust]

I just want more chaos books about regular chaos cultists, people succumbing to chaos from their POV. Less traitor marines.

[high willow]

Ayyy a full sequel to Sacred Hate! That’s gonna be good

[hybrid turtle]

I wanna see a human chaos sorcerer beat a space marine

Weird how seemingly being a space marine makes you a better wizard

[odd skiff]

It doesn’t, they just receive better training.

[tall phoenix]

...

That just makes them a better wizard

THATS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID

[odd skiff]

No he said being a space marine

Being a space marine itself doesn’t increase your power

[tall phoenix]

Its true though, literally every single strong psyker in the setting is a space marine

[odd skiff]

The training given by the librarium does

[tall phoenix]

(probably the worst part of 40k for the chaos front)

[hybrid turtle]

think itd be cool to see a dedicated human match a space marine in power

[odd skiff]

They can in raw power

Power isn’t the issue, it’s the training.

[tall phoenix]

ıts not even that

its just writers favoring space marines

Which is fine, its a toy setting but yeah

[tall phoenix]

I always wish 40k had some Slaves to Darkness/Chaos/Norscan angle like WHF and AOS where theres a proper human element to chaos instead of it just being entirely CSM, its really cheap that no mortal for some reason just cant rise or beyond the level of gene-gorillas for some reason.

[hybrid turtle]

surely studying arcane powers is training of itself

[tall phoenix]

Not allowed

[odd skiff]

The chaos gods just like big muscly men I guess

[tall phoenix]

Yeah I guess, fair enough

[hybrid turtle]

i just wanna see a human crush a space marine like a tin can with their mind smh

[odd skiff]

Then you got the 5th Chaos god who takes his love for muscly men to the next level.

[vale wren]

This should probably come with an addendum of "currently alive strong psyker"

I'm sure Malkador was ok

[tall phoenix]

He was so and so

theres like 1-2 strong human psykers for like 10 space marine ones lol

primarchs count too since they are just bigger space marines

[celest heron]

there arent any alpha psykers outside of flavor text right?

[vale wren]

All text is flavour text

Except tabletop rules I guess

[tall phoenix]

Theres like 2

but yeah its flavor text

the Assignment still exists so

[vale wren]

Wasn't ravenor alpha? I think Ive seen that mentioned somewhere

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but its not really accurate

an Alpha psyker is a system/planet-wide threat

they are like mini doctor manhattans

[celest heron]

alpha psykers dont survive long enough to become named characters

[tall phoenix]

they dont survive long enough because it will cut into Goon Marines sales

[celest heron]

they're kill on sight arent they?

[tall phoenix]

I mean if you can but yes

its usually some convoluted shit

[tacit void]

Feed to emps on sight

[vale wren]

me with a suspiciously alpha psyker shaped stomach

[quaint canopy]

No, I don't recall exactly now, but Ravenor gets schooled by beta psykers.

[celest heron]

alphas don't make it to emps I thought

just neutralized

oh wait those are omega

[tacit void]

If they make it thru the blackships they still get fooded

[quaint canopy]

The exact grade of his powers is unclear; in one source, he is described as between high-level delta and low-level gamma[5x], while in another he is described as "Alpha plus" by one of his enemies [7a].

The former assessment is from Ravenor describing himself. It seems reliable.

[tall phoenix]

Its pretty incorrect

Alphas are world ending threats

its just another Abnett fluff thing

its well known that he doenst care about the main lore accuracy that much

[quaint canopy]

? high-level delta seems fair?

[tall phoenix]

Probably. Its hard because like i said abnett doesnt give a crap about lore rules

Guy always does his own thing, its why people tag anything he does as "Abnetteverse"

[celest heron]

what about a sigma class psyker

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-11905852304112868072

[celest heron]

https://tenor.com/view/sigmar-sigmar-cash-warhammer-gif-14388898

[quaint canopy]

Anyway, psyker power scaling is not very useful to begin with.

[tall phoenix]

I mean it is

its why theres multiple levels in each section

its left rough so you can kinda take your own guess at it

[tacit void]

Alphas are insanely powerful

Idt Ravenor could be one

[tall phoenix]

Yeah again just abnett beign abnett

[celest heron]

would an omega+ be a system wide threat?

fucking with navigation and such

by being so dense

[tall phoenix]

CORRECT

[viral juniper]

guh

[tacit void]

iirc they wouldnt even be able to control their powers, so really theyd get fooded or die

[tall phoenix]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Assignment

[tacit void]

Big bad

[tall phoenix]

Also this chart is still relevant because its mentioned by name in the new Archmagos book lol

[tacit void]

Yep can confirm

[tall phoenix]

Yeah i added it to the sources on the page just incase

[celest heron]

too dense to be a black ship crewmate

[tall phoenix]

theres tons of people saying its "out of date"

great to finally have some contrary evidence

[tall phoenix]

Black Ship crews are normal people

just heavily brainfucked

[tacit void]

iirc the max a blackship can contain is an alpha

An omega would be too much even for the SoS

[tall phoenix]

^

you'd need like

orbital bombardment type shit

these people can literally kill entire planets

[tacit void]

100 Jenetia Kroles or summ

[tall phoenix]

I have a Alpha+ psyker OC in my Inquisition warband

hes so powerful that his entire body is a husk

and he's constantly kept asleep

so he has to astral project to communicate with people

if he wakes up they all die

[tacit void]

Sounds like an alpha plus

[tall phoenix]

we're talking that levels of unstable

[celest heron]

omega is a blank innit?

[tall phoenix]

yeah i had to take it into account because no superpower comes without cost lol

[celest heron]

so omega + is a super blank

[tall phoenix]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Assignment

reverse

[tacit void]

An omega is a superpsyker

[celest heron]

ah the plus is reversed

[tacit void]

Balance is good

[celest heron]

yeah I was focusing too much on the names

and not the numbers

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the numbers are important

the ones in categories are left "loose" so that you can kinda lay around with them

[celest heron]

-40 would be so funny though

[tall phoenix]

-40 would be like

Jenetia Krole but even worse

you literally dont exist

nobody sees you

but they instantly wanna fucking die or suffer by being near you

[celest heron]

this is really whats in the halo star

[viral juniper]

throw that mf in the eye of terror

[autumn willow]

New havoc terms?

[tall phoenix]

SHUT UP

[drowsy urchin]

Complaining about Abnettisms yet using a list that Abnett helped to write against it

[tall phoenix]

Yeah uh unless theres proper evidence i dont think Abnett wrote this entire chart buddy, sorry lol

especially when again Ravenor is nothing like what this chart suggests

[drowsy urchin]

Abnett had a key role in writing the Inquisitor background book

which is the source for that list

[tall phoenix]

I mean no

theres 5 authors

we literally got no idea what he was involved in

and again, he doesnt even follow his own chart

[drowsy urchin]

It is probably mostly written by Kyme

But even the introduction for the book is by Abnett

[tall phoenix]

Once again he goes against the chart itself so i really doubt he wrote it.

Abnett is infamous for people by just winging and doing what he wants while ignoring the setting's narrative/lore rules

[drowsy urchin]

And you tend to believe that everything he does is in a bubble of his own and not a joint effort by the writer team they had, there has been multiple mentions by him that they did lots of the writing work together for the Eisenhorn saga and Inquisition game and background lore

And how does he not follow the psyker scale? Only outlier is Ravenor's enemy calling him an alpha plus, which isn't a definitive source for it, just someone thinking he is so powerful

[tall phoenix]

"you"

mfer "Abnettverse" is a fucking term the entire fandom uses???

💀

And yeah I actually do, especially considering how for actual team efforts like the Siege of Terra one of the greatest complaints was how Abnett basically ignored more or less half the plot points set up by other authors and went off as usual to do his own thing.

[drowsy urchin]

It is and for a good reason, it still doesn't mean everything he writes is by him alone

[tall phoenix]

Idk about "good reason"

👎

[drowsy urchin]

what?

It just means I agree with you

[tall phoenix]

[drowsy urchin]

as in there's "a good reason" that people call it that

not a good reason to justify it existing

[autumn willow]

its new

[tall phoenix]

...no its not

people have been using it since the Eisenhorn series

lmao

[drowsy urchin]

it just used to mean the inquisitor and sabbat worlds, but it has stretch out to encompass more

[odd skiff]

Rookie mistake. Never agree with Dilara, for she does not want peace she wants problems always.

[drowsy urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-soyjak-pissluffare-soy-gif-25061889

[celest heron]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-peace-i-want-problems-always-choose-violence-no-peace-problems-gif-24342946

[sonic walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/who-what-confused-korath-the-pursuer-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gif-14735440

[tall phoenix]

Its Shao Kahn

dont you recognize him

[sonic walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/spaceballs-druish-princess-john-candy-bill-pullman-gif-18122421

[smoky bronze]

The difference between dan and other authors can really be summed up with power swords
Other authors: "oh i should look at models and other media to figure out how to depict these"
Dan: "a power sword is probably a lightsaber right ill throw one of those in"

Hes just doin his own thing and it usually works out but he doesn't try too hard to work with anything that already exists lol

[pale vigil]

"Whys his power sword depicted this way?!"
Because its a different pattern, ez answer

[celest heron]

Dont admech use lightsabers

[odd skiff]

Librarians are basically the Jedi when you think about it

[severe trail]

Sorta?

Some fusion cutters are arguably that

The real energy sword users are the farsight enclaves

Who have fusion blades

[celest heron]

There was something in the arnament section of the lexicanum

For mechanicus

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sollex-Aegis_Energy_Blade

For some reason it also lists paragon blades

[severe trail]

Oh that

Yeah those exist

[snow siren]

To be fair, he did look at the model, and the art

The art has him holding a scroll, whilst the sword is like a sword cane

I can see where that mistake was made

[smoky bronze]

A power cane would be sick

[smoky bronze]

poke a guy with my cane
it goes straight through his armor and body

[snow siren]

I always took it that he got confused, that the scroll became the sword and the cane was still a cane rather than a sword cane scabbard

[snow siren]

Dude’s just enjoying his day being a rude twat and then BAM

hole in his foot

[smoky bronze]

"Well you see it was a normal cane, but then inquisitor gray's pet monkey stole it"

"I found it a few days later and im afraid to press the other new buttons"

[fossil bridge]

I bought my dad two 40k novels for Christmas

The Siege of Vraks and Interceptor City
He's a star wars fan (I bought him some star wars books too) so I'm trying to get him into the series kinda

[severe trail]

I’d recommend Assasinorum kingmaker

It’s easy to get into if you like other sci fi

And it’s very 40k

[odd skiff]

I’d recommend Descent of Angels

[trail ravine]

Any Eidolon books or books that include him post heresy?

[severe trail]

He’s in the Bile books for a bit

[odd skiff]

Yes

It’s called, Eidolon: The Auric Hammer.

IIRC it also tells how the EC changed from purple to pink.

[round lily]

Small question, are Horus Heresy books all smaller than the 40k standardised size? A family member bought me some books for Christmas and they're noticeably smaller in dimension.

[tall phoenix]

Might be the formatting? As far as im aware HH books generally stick to the rule of 40k books aka roughly 300+ pages max

[round lily]

Sorry, maybe I should've worded my question a bit better. I'm not concerned about the amount of pages, but the physical dimensions. Height and width.

[shy lark]

Some of the paperbacks are smaller in size

[tall phoenix]

^ Thats what i meant yeah

[shy lark]

There's for some reason two sizes for the HH

[tall phoenix]

page count adds to the size of the book usually too so formatting is pretty varied

its why some 30k books are thick as fuck

while others are like very small

[shy lark]

Apparently it's a difference of trade- vs mass-market paperbacks

[round lily]

Yeah, the size difference isn't too horrible but it was just a bit strange to notice at first.

[shy lark]

It's just one of those things ig

[digital ether]

WE ARE SO BACK CHIVALRIC ROMANCE-BROS!

Off-topic, I know, apologies. But I’m so fucking excited to read these stories.

[digital ether]

Been reading it for a bit now, it’s so peak.

[dark mirage]

What are the chances of some normal human to survive a warp travel gone wrong?

[forest spruce]

Depends on how long gellar field goes down for

If it's just a flicker more baseline humans will be ok but a couple of seconds daemonic possession and strokes

[wide mica]

Named characters would survive

[forest spruce]

Those aren't normal humans

XD

[tall phoenix]

Thats like asking "what are the chances some normal humans survive a train crash"

Humans dont automatically all die when a gellar field fails, daemons just appear and kill anyone they find until the characters/crew find a way to get back into realspace, its not some monolith happenstance really

[snow siren]

It’s doable like, but it’s not a conscious effort, it’s just surviving

[tall phoenix]

Its literally just whatever the author wants for the story

so as ever

[autumn willow]

Depends on the books but in a Situation where gellarfield is broken usually its gonna few hours at best where EVERYONE dies.

I think the fastest was Horus Heresy books where a ship died within what counts as “Minutes”

The longest Gellarfield story breaking down was dawn of war 2 chaos rising because Apothecary Galan, Kyras and the 5th company were stranded on their ship with everyone got corrupted. (It was confirmed its a A week or even equivalent of a Month they survived before said corruption)

[odd skiff]

It depends

On the type of warp travel.

[tall phoenix]

💀

[snow siren]

We have a Necromunda style campaign which is about a pilgrim fleet in the warp when the Eye split open

For a split second the gellar fields are overpowered as the fleet smashes together and makes a hulk, then they flicker back on.

Then in warp fashion they’re trapped for a hundred years before being spat out in real space minutes. The remaining survivors have degraded from worshipping the emperor, or the chaos gods, and now worship gods which have tangible affects on their ‘universe’, like the lance batteries, air filtration systems, power generators.

The goal was using your gang of cultists to establish your god’s dominance.

[odd skiff]

It’s true

The Fallen Angels and the Calibanite Jaegers were dragged into a warp storm with Caliban and some of the Jaegers did survive.

[tall phoenix]

That 💀 was more that everyone in here is saying the same thing lmao

[odd skiff]

I mean everyone was saying ship travel

And gellar fields

The jaegers and Fallen got dragged in with no ships and completely unprotected

[tall phoenix]

[forest spruce]

That's because the chaos gods thought it'd be funny

[nova flume]

Anyone read the new scouring book

[tall phoenix]

I have, its pretty good

[drowsy urchin]

Quite enjoyable indeed

Looking forwards to what's to come

[severe trail]

Reading through it still

So far much better then heresy’s mid points

lol

[tall phoenix]

Dont jinx it

this is literally the first book from prob dozens

it will fall off soon enough lmao

[severe trail]

It’s gona be like Dawn of Fire isn’t it

Oh god

[forest spruce]

Do not speak of that

Words have power you fool

[tall phoenix]

I mean, I legit hope so

the problem is 30k fans are more delusional

[shy lark]

Wait and see, it was a good first step

[nova flume]

I just started it and it’s pretty good

[tall phoenix]

yeah the novel is good

[smoky bronze]

Really the big thing about gellar field failures is its really hard to coordinate a realspace transition or fix the field while under attack by daemons lol

Like whoops your helmsman and chief engiseer died sorry guys

[odd skiff]

What’s your opinion of dorn

Is he angry Templar dorn yet ?

[tall phoenix]

Hes Dorn.

Acts stalwart, doesnt like what Guilliman is doing, yada yada

you'll like it if you like Dorn lol

[odd skiff]

I love dorn

Papa Templar

[tall phoenix]

hes basically the same as hes all the time, im sure people can find deep complexities when they read it

[odd skiff]

Dorn is misunderstood

Dorn is like an onion

There’s many layers to him

But I do want to see scouring dorn

[shy lark]

Well I don't know too much of his characterisation before but he's real eager to get the crusade rolling again and to me seemed a little on edge

[odd skiff]

Like the dorn he was described as in the scouring originally, full Templar, overzealous, full of anger and hate.

[odd skiff]

Yep he’s going into Templar Dorn

Has he painted his armour black yet @shy lark

[shy lark]

Na but not repaired and seemed duller unless I'm hallucinating

[odd skiff]

He repaints it full black in mourning when he embarks on crusade and founds the Black Templars.

[tall phoenix]

That aint happening

thats Sigismund's role in the novel

hes already acting like a templar lol

[odd skiff]

To be fair

He’s been a Templar brethren already for what 60 years at this point😂

Dorn and Sigi found the BT from the TB during the scouring.

[mental cobalt]

siege never fell off

perfect the whole way

😌

Remembers the lost and the damned...

Nvm

that was the most boring book of the series

but the rest were good

[tall phoenix]

👎

[tall phoenix]

Mortis; mid

First Wall; Mid

Furries of Magnus; Mid

Solar War; Mid

Sons of Selenar; Mid

[mental cobalt]

mortis and solar war were 🔥

[odd skiff]

Nah siege was peak

[tall phoenix]

literally the most hated books in the Siege

[tall phoenix]

Could have been 5 books shorter

Too much padding.

Too much filler.

All stretched out just so people empty their wallets, yall gotta do better

[nova flume]

The ultramarines are so annoying

In the scouring book

[tall phoenix]

I mean

they are literally picking up scraps and making sure the actually annoying Legions dont ruin everything lol

Guilliman is like the only reasonable voice here

[nova flume]

🤯

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-spray-squirt-annoyed-irritated-gif-4445288

[nova flume]

Agree to disagree 😢

[tall phoenix]

Idk what you want em to do

agree to go feral and hunt the traitors instead of actually fixing the stuff on Terra first or figure out a game plan?

[nova flume]

Yes exactly

That’s exactly what I would like to see happen

[tall phoenix]

Yeah and thats why Guilliman is the smarter person than us

[nova flume]

True LOL

[tall phoenix]

But basically yeah its written to be frustrating

the wolves were at the door and have fled and now everyone is stretched with their own goals

[nova flume]

Yea the author does a nice job

[tall phoenix]

No spoilers but you get some more sense towards what Gman wants later in the book, it isnt super mindblowing but might make you go "Ahhh okay now i get it"

[nova flume]

I see I see

[tall phoenix]

Yeah you are getting the closed off version currently where Guilliman and the Ultras look like pricks that came to lord over the victory

and the other Legions havent realised how fucked things are yet

[nova flume]

The way the plot jumps around is really nice actually

I think it covers a lot of plot in one book

[nova flume]

Lmao

Edited for spoiler

[tall phoenix]

[odd skiff]

“Dad is Dead, The Imperium Has Fallen, Billions Must Subscribe To My Instruction Manual” Guilliman probably

[nova flume]

I get it now

Wow

[sonic walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-jensen-huang-the-more-you-buy-the-more-you-save-keynote-2018-gif-12315008507302833354

[odd skiff]

Roboute “Pyramid Scheme” Guilliman pulling up to his father’s funeral to slang his new book.

[snow siren]

Is he the Erika Kirk of the 40K worlds?

[odd skiff]

Yes

Except pulling up preggers with another man’s baby is guilliman pulling up with his new codex

[sonic walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/pergant-pregernant-pergent-gif-8183353

[tall phoenix]

Guilliman was playing chess while all the other primarchs were playing checkers

[sonic walrus]

https://youtu.be/EShUeudtaFg

[nova flume]

He was fr playing regicide

The G in guilliman stands for goat

[tall phoenix]

Thats why hes the goat

[odd skiff]

The Lion doesn’t concern himself with lesser Primarchs.

[uneven crane]

Im reading Day of Ascension ||Buruzelum going "Hey, just use one of her arms to replace your own! Whats the worst that could happen?" is so funny||

[tall phoenix]

absolute cinema

[uneven crane]

This will go SO bad

[uneven crane]

Chapter 2 of this makes me quite sad: ||getting the POV of a child neophyte who just wants a better life for her and her family is sad, especially for the fact that much of their motivation is partly fueled by a psychic link to their Patriarch. Not to mention the idea that the first/second gen hybrids are seen as "aunts and uncles" makes me wonder how authentic is their familial relationship with one another, barring of course the Patriarch and any purebred genestealer. How much of it is fueled by Tyranid mind shit, their own genestealer instinct, and them being an individual?||

[tall phoenix]

Mostly a psychic/genetic link

its why GSC cults never really infight or seperate etc

[uneven crane]

Yeah that is kinda depressing

[tall phoenix]

Its a parody of IRL revolutions most of the time, people think things are gonna get better but their leaders end up eating them lol

[uneven crane]

Yeah, its a hideous cycle

I just find the whole "kid sees everyone in her cult as a legitimate loving family member" incredibly sad

[tall phoenix]

Its fine as long as they take down the fascists with em

thats kinda the morbid/funny thing with GSC lol

[uneven crane]

Question about that actually: on a more peaceful world where Imperial rule somehow isnt as bad as it is on other worlds (kinda thinking Paradise Worlds) or simply does not exist: what is the usual way for a GSC to infiltrate? Because they couldnt use the whole "These are tyrants that wanna kill us!!!" schtick in this situation

[pale vigil]

Probably just time and social construction

[tall phoenix]

Same as usual.

[pale vigil]

Genestealer cults still have to contend with the stigma against mutation, so after a while the cult is going to be feeling that across the board.

[tall phoenix]

One GSC start growing they just recruit/brainwash people like normal, you know, like actual cults (badum tsss) theres just genetic fuckery involved.

[tall phoenix]

Depends on the world, the codexes go into how GSC can have an easier time as each generation passes because some people just dont loo ktwice at a little skin hue offness or an extra appendage if they can hide it or just avoid suspicions eyes.

[pale vigil]

Basically, a GSC just has to gain control of the orbital defenses and maybe the ground ones, after that the hive fleet can wash over the planet uncontested. A single Genestealer could probably just replace a noble family if the planet was that lax.

[tall phoenix]

Its not really laxness, GSC can basically get into anywhere.

Its more time and being careful.

the things they gotta take over also once more depend on the nature of the planet.

[pale vigil]

Oh yeh, but in the context of a Paradise world

[tall phoenix]

Oh yeah lol true

[pale vigil]

Side note

[tall phoenix]

you'd need to basically take over the entire staff first

then infect the nobles by esoteric methods

which uhhh knowing the IQ of rich people IRL prob isnt that hard 💀

[uneven crane]

So I guess they'd either:

Manufacture a societal stigma point (mutations for example) to pivot off of
or
Simply take the planet over with no need to make a narrative for people to rally behind

[pale vigil]

If Paradise worlds exist, does that imply interplanetary tourism is a thing in 40?

[severe trail]

for the rich yes

usually intersystem/sector

[uneven crane]

Interesting

So a GSC could absolutely take those over with no issues, long as they can get aboard their ships

[pale vigil]

Its not a thing I thin about but yeh, surely some noble families do just go cruising around the Imperium

[tall phoenix]

Closest thing to tourism in 40k is pilgrimages

which is uhhh pretty fucking terrible but still lol

[pale vigil]

My goddamn 'k' has stopped work ing

This is horrible lmao

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the recent codexes show GSC can take over ALMOST any world/thing.

[uneven crane]

Press the K harder lmao

[tall phoenix]

once again its time + resources

[uneven crane]

Which worlds can they NOT take over, daemon worlds or Ork infested worlds?

[tall phoenix]

Well yeah lmao

[severe trail]

Tourism is evil in 40k

[pale vigil]

Eldar craftworlds

[tall phoenix]

im talking """"normal"""" Imperial worlds

[severe trail]

Non Orky Orks get fucked

Tau have too many eugenics on their worlds

unless its in the non Tau population

[tall phoenix]

Also actual technology

[severe trail]

in which that case it does happen sometimes

but infecting someone of the Tau species doesn't do much

[pale vigil]

I imagine the DE don't have to worry about Genestealers in the webway

[severe trail]

bcs the Tau practice eugenics on their own species

Drukhari have a GSC cult

sorta

its funny

[pale vigil]

huuuh

[tall phoenix]

They exist but would get exterminated the moment they get big

Commorragh is massive

[uneven crane]

I believe there are DE that have put tyranid parts on themselves and ended up under a psychic link

[severe trail]

yeah

[tall phoenix]

Nah that never got a followup

[severe trail]

that

[tall phoenix]

those are unrelated

[severe trail]

but its likely nothing special

lol

They're obesessed with the planet full of nids in comorragh now

smh

[tall phoenix]

Thats haemonculi

thats different 💀

[pale vigil]

A solar system sized city is wild to think about

[uneven crane]

What about GSCs infiltrating a separate GSC? Does anything happen there? Its silly, but I recall different patriarchs can fight over resources and such

[tall phoenix]

its even larger

[forest spruce]

Webway is huge

[tall phoenix]

the webway is a pocket dimension + Commorragh has other realms attached to it

its basically endless-ish

[forest spruce]

Like they say the imperial palace is a shed

[tall phoenix]

No, they would be aware of each other

[severe trail]

Comorragh is like

genuinely insanely huge

[tall phoenix]

but you can have a religious region for them infighting

[pale vigil]

The two warring Patriarchs would decimate the Imperial forces and bitch at eachother until the Hive Fleet came and ate them

[severe trail]

they need multiple suns

[forest spruce]

Its also multiple dimensions

[severe trail]

for the main sub realm

lol

[uneven crane]

They continue to bitch at each other even when their biomass returns to the hivefleets

[severe trail]

the Drukhari have literally 0 population issues when compared to the CWE

💀

[pale vigil]

A contient sized palace is a shed compared to a solar system sized city?

Gee I don't see why they'd say that!

[forest spruce]

Oh hey he unblocked me

[shy lark]

There was that one Tau planet that got fucked by a single genestealer they decided to analyse wasn't there

[pale vigil]

Eldar/ED scale is a bit silly tho

[tall phoenix]

I mean is it

[forest spruce]

Anyways the mandrakes realm has bled into other parts of commeragh

[severe trail]

for Comorragh not really

its the true sucessor of the eldar empire

[pale vigil]

Like I get with the DE its like, literally every Eldar who existed in the Webway collecting in one area

[severe trail]

They have most of the tech from back then

[tall phoenix]

So whats silly about it

[severe trail]

they can't use the best of it bcs its psykers only

[pale vigil]

All Eldar are psykers tho?

[tall phoenix]

Not quite

eldar are "latent" psykers

[severe trail]

The Drukhari have atrophied so to speak

[tall phoenix]

they arent all wizards

[tall phoenix]

Also that.

[severe trail]

All Eldar are inherently psykers to a degree, but they are not true psykers

if that makes sense?

[uneven crane]

They all have potential but not all specialize in psyker abilities

[severe trail]

like they can all operate stuff that has miniumum psyker requirements

but they cannot all shoot lightning and such

the Drukhari's psychic abilities have completely atrophied whether through eugenics, disuse, culture or all of the above

is unclear

but it can return given sufficent time outside comorragh

[tall phoenix]

Its "passive" soulstuff

Dark Eldar only get their psychic resonance once they have spend a LONG time outside of commorragh

its like a RPG status effect

[pale vigil]

Is that because the webway is cut off from the warp perhaps?

[severe trail]

No

since psykers can act normally in comorragh

now granted

you will die horribly if you do so as no one wants that sort of situation going on in comorragh

and Harlequins who are psykers who spend a long time in comorragh are unaffected

Shadowseers do not have their abilties atrophy in comorragh or the webway

[tall phoenix]

While countless generations of conflict have ensured the Drukhari’s bodies are even more suited to physical combat than other elements of the Aeldari race, the innate psychic abilities possessed by their forebears have, by necessity, been allowed to atrophy. To channel the energies of the warp within the Dark City would be to invite disaster, for doing so could draw the gaze of the Chaos God Slaanesh, the one the Aeldari fearfully call ‘She Who Thirsts.’ As such, the use of psychic powers is one of the few things forbidden in Commorragh.

They lose them due to not using them at all.

Even non-wizard eldar use their passive magic powers by simply walking around a craftworld and opening doors automatically etc.

Druks use NONE of it.

Its like how if you stand still and starve yourslf for days your body starts eating you lol

[pale vigil]

Makes sense

Though, I never quite understood why Slaanesh can't just tear open warp storms on top of literally every Craftworld and be done with it

[tall phoenix]

I mean thats not how it works.

[severe trail]

because that takes a ton of power to do so from Slaanesh and Craftworlds can literally just leave

[tall phoenix]

^

[severe trail]

and yeah warpstorms need specific conditions to occur

they don't just happen

even if a warpstorm seems spotanious

[pale vigil]

I suppose it's equally fucked up to a tell an entire galaxy spanning race, "Yo! Just lettting you knoooow I'm gonna eat all of your souls when you die!" instead of just doing that

[severe trail]

there is another reason why it has occured

the veil has to thin sufficently

in one way or another for a warpstorm to occur

[tall phoenix]

I mean yeah thats the point

eldar are sad as a faction due to that

[severe trail]

also its fun for Slaanesh

She who thirsts gets a semi infinite supply of souls

and gets new torture toys semi regularly

[pale vigil]

Semi-infinite and Eldar being in the same sentence confuses me

Isn't the Eldar's entire thing that they don't have kids anymore?

[tall phoenix]

Semi-infinite because eldar breed and make new eldar

[tall phoenix]

No

💀

[pale vigil]

Where did I read/hear that

[tall phoenix]

Youtube probably

[severe trail]

the eldar do have kids still

just very slowly

[tall phoenix]

"Eldar cant have kids" is like first-time tier wrong lore people say from non-lore sources

[pale vigil]

I swear I read about Eldar not producing a child 'cuse Slaanesh would eat them for having sex or something

[severe trail]

as of 8e their population is on a mild upswing

lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats youtube slop

[severe trail]

yeah no Eldar can have sex just fine

[tall phoenix]

Eldar can also have sex

[severe trail]

See;Path of the eldar

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its more uh, you know

[severe trail]

the most conservative craftworld has

what is in essence

a brothel

lol

[tall phoenix]

dont fucking skin your partner during said sex

or do hellraiser shit

lmao

[pale vigil]

Fair

[severe trail]

Eldar Excess is

a lot by human standards

but by Eldar standards its uh

yeah

[tall phoenix]

Hedonistic violent shit is what fuels slaanesh the most + counts as worship yeah

[severe trail]

^

The more violent the hedonism the happier slaanesh is

generally

which is why a lot of Slaaneshi "gourmets" end up eating other sapient things

rather then just like

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its why sexual stuff is always like Tier 1 out of 10000 regarding the ways you can appease him

[severe trail]

horribly torturing a grox for meat

[pale vigil]

I mean it was specifically the psychic stuff from the excessive violence/hedonism

[severe trail]

why horribly torture a grox for the best meal ever

when you could do it to your neighbor

[pale vigil]

I don't think the Imperium could make a new Chaos God out of sheer hedonism

[tall phoenix]

I mean

[pale vigil]

Though then again

[tall phoenix]

they almost did/have

the Dark King is there

and technically already exists

[severe trail]

the Imperium almost did/will do so

[pale vigil]

Apparently Nurgle was birthed from the Black Plague, apparently

[severe trail]

The Dark King almost was birthed during the Heresy

[severe trail]

this is old lore and non canon now

[tall phoenix]

Thats ancient dumb lore

[severe trail]

yeah

like old old

[pale vigil]

Ah man

[severe trail]

Its fine tho

[forest spruce]

Thats a very human centric take

[severe trail]

its circulated a lot

still

[tall phoenix]

^^^^

[pale vigil]

Was khorne still born from the first murder?

[forest spruce]

Nope

[tall phoenix]

Thats Drachnyen

[severe trail]

Khorne was born from the first act of violence in existence according to AoS

whatever the fuck that means

[tall phoenix]

AoS chaos lore is peak

i love it

[pale vigil]

An amoeba eating its first meal

[severe trail]

lol

RAAAAH

[pale vigil]

khorne: "Where the fuck am I?!"

Conversely, that amoeba dying about 30 seconds later because the water was too salty.

Nurgle: "Where the fuck am I?"
khorne: "Oi! I asked that first! ENEMIES FOR LIFE!"

[forest spruce]

The chaos gods came into being from the war in heaven and humans probably became aware of there existence during black death, the crusades and the Renaissance

[severe trail]

I like to imagine that Khorne was born from the first war between sapient beings

tbh

but ultimately we dunno

[tall phoenix]

i like to imagine he was born from me killing you with legos tbh

[severe trail]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-oguri-uma-musume-umamusume-squishy-gif-14372802265437813043

[pale vigil]

I mean thats the thing about the Chaos Gods innit

Sure they can be 'born' at a certain time, but they've existed forever

[tall phoenix]

Yeah because time doesnt exist in the Warp

but uh

[wide mica]

But only after they've been born

[tall phoenix]

^

its a paracausal effect

[wide mica]

They exist forever after they've been born

[tall phoenix]

yeah they wouldnt exist across all time if they werent born yet

[wide mica]

It's why we don't see the Dark King, he's not born yet. But once it is born it will be seen throughout time

[tall phoenix]

Abnett's own little chaos god OC my beloved

[pale vigil]

In my head canon thats the 'deep warp' shit people talk about, just Chaos Gods who either haven't been born yet doing their thing, or one of the 4 from the past doing stuff in the future

[smoky bronze]

Khornes strongest warrior: an aardwolf that slew 300000 termites every day of its life

[tall phoenix]

Its not really much to headcannon

its basically fact

we got like over 20 sources constantly saying they are multiversal/have always existed

[severe trail]

Bligh invented the aetheric domains

well

sorta not really

[smoky bronze]

dark king awakens
gw reissues every book they've ever printed but with references to 5 chaos gods instead of 4

[severe trail]

holy based

[forest spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-gif-3641396535535975514

[tall phoenix]

Shut up

[smoky bronze]

I have a feeling if they ever do let the emperor turn into a chaos god it will happen if 40k starts floundering and they need to AoS it

But people love space marines so im not sure it will happen

[wide mica]

So never

[forest spruce]

Give it twenty years

[pale vigil]

I feel like they should lean into the concept that E's soul has fragmented

[wide mica]

40k is literal perpetual growth machine when it comes to profits

[severe trail]

it will be done if 40k needs to be AoSd yeah

tbh

[forest spruce]

They already do

[severe trail]

I think GW is very unwilling to repeat the same mistakes

that led to WHFB you know

dying

[pale vigil]

A war God version of E appears to lead the Legion of the Damned, the Star Child comes to try and fix the Imperium, the scientist portion appears before Cawl

[severe trail]

WHFB at the time of its death was a rotting barely animate carcass

that wasn't able to out sell a single fucking LOTR kit

[smoky bronze]

the emperors soul gets fractured
a bunch of really confused bronze age shamans appear

[pale vigil]

That would also be funny

Tho it makes me wonder

If all it takes to become a Not-God is get 10 friends and become 1 guy via drugs and magic, how haven't more people done it?

[smoky bronze]

(Speaking sumerian) "why the fuck is everything gold? And who are all the huge naked guys in helmets?"

[forest spruce]

Its not that easy. If it were to be attempted again the chaos gods would intervene.

[smoky bronze]

I think the old lore was basically the entire psychic potential of humanity got concentrated into the emperor and that's why human psykers didn't come back for so long

[forest spruce]

That kind of thing creates a beacon that attracts daemons to souls

[pale vigil]

But they could've intervened then

[forest spruce]

Big e was made during what would be by modern standards a lull in the warp

The warp is like an ocean during a storm right now

[pale vigil]

I don't think that explains all 4 Gods deciding actively not to stop their greatest enemy from being born.

[forest spruce]

They might not of been able to

[smoky bronze]

Hes really not their greatest enemy anyway

When it comes down to it

[forest spruce]

Because perhaps big e is destined to be a chaos god so they can't stop him from being born because he's always existed

[pale vigil]

I mean they really just want him to join their super cool club but they're trying to be lowkey about it

[forest spruce]

I mean they probably hate him just as much as each other

[smoky bronze]

Its all a great game

Would there be nearly as much war and disease without the emperor?

[tall phoenix]

Probably not. Guy is literally hitler.

bro was probably on the Island too

[forest spruce]

Grooming children for his armies

[smoky bronze]

He also created enough hijinks for tzeentch and enough debauchery for slaanesh

[pale vigil]

I mean, he kinda just chilled for 20k years before conquering the planet

[smoky bronze]

I mean did you see all the gold decor

[pale vigil]

So thats at least 20k years worth of war and disease you could say he had no part in

[tall phoenix]

I mean

good on him? Now its galaxy-wide thanks to him

[pale vigil]

Not his fault it was humanity's birthright to inherit the stars

[tall phoenix]

Ironically LITERALLY did this btw

[smoky bronze]

Trump 🤝 the Emperor
Thinking gold is the only color for interior design

[tall phoenix]

Big E is the type to be BFFs with Mengele so it wouldnt surprise me

[pale vigil]

I saw a comment the other day on one of those animated Russian 40k videos, it was featuring the Custodes and E fighting Daemons in the webway

It went, "Only in an environment of pure gold is Auramite considered good camo" and then E showed up and turned the entire video bright yellow with his aura

[smoky bronze]

Lmao

[forest spruce]

Custodes my beloved

[pale vigil]

Which unironically kinda slaps as a combat tactic

[smoky bronze]

I like to think that custodian armor was made gold because that would blend into the emperors interior design

The ones by the throne are nude because they'd blend into the background otherwise

[pale vigil]

Like you're gonna be fighting in cramped tunnels, open battlefields, jungles, swamps, mountains, etc, etc all with different camo needs. Why not simply change the colour of the world around you and just rock the best looking colour

[forest spruce]

I just think aurumite is gold and the custodes just don't bother painting it because it server no tactical perpose

[tall phoenix]

Basically

unless its for differentiating Shieldhosts

[smoky bronze]

The name implies its gold

Aurum is latin for gold hence Au

[pale vigil]

"Auramite is an incredibly rare substance, whose natural colouration is a shining gold, a hue entirely appropriate for the Emperor's personal guardians. "

From the wiki

[smoky bronze]

Wii 40k...

[tall phoenix]

its not gold

its as special ore

madeuptanium

[smoky bronze]

In color

[tall phoenix]

Racist

[forest spruce]

Woow

[smoky bronze]

Yeah

[tall phoenix]

AUGH

[smoky bronze]

(Not really)

[forest spruce]

Oh shit

[pale vigil]

My fucking 'k' stopped working and now I have to copy paste it every time lmao

[forest spruce]

I am racist, I don't much care for NASCAR but Im a sucker for motocross

[smoky bronze]

Lmao i think i read a 4chan post like that years ago with the p key

The racing fandom is dying repost if you're a proud racist

Its so funny that the rare golden super metal isnt, you know, orichalchum the mythical golden supermetal instead its apparently cognate to ceramite for some reason

[tall phoenix]

once again

[smoky bronze]

Even though im pretty sure ceramite you just make

[tall phoenix]

you expect 40k authors to be smart

😭

[smoky bronze]

Yeah...

At least they didn't call it plasgold

[forest spruce]

Plasgold is a dumb name

Auruamite is badass

[tall phoenix]

Aurafarmingmite

[forest spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-dragon-ball-piccolo-standing-on-tower-tower-gif-13558229454457057953

[smoky bronze]

Plasteel is funny to me because im pretty sure early in the settings history the writers were like "in the grim dark future is everything made of plastic or steel" and someone else went "just make them the same thing"

[pale vigil]

I thought it was a Star Wars thing originally

Its a good term imo - you get the idea of what its supposed to be without getting into the nitty gritty.

[smoky bronze]

Yeah its just "structural stuff"

[pale vigil]

Well nah, its steel and plastic mixed together - in some way

I always assumed it was plastic with the strength of steel

[smoky bronze]

Do we actually know what it is lol lemme check lex when i get back to my pc because god it barely works on phonea

[tall phoenix]

It was originalyl stolen from Dune

let me check the lex

[pale vigil]

"Plasteel is a type of advanced synthetic material that has the consistency of plastic but the tensile strength of a steel alloy that was developed during the Dark Age of Technology but long used by the Imperium in the construction of many types of personal infantry armour. " 40k