40k-book-club

[severe trail]

they're extremely fractured and self serving

[smoky bronze]

Huge wackjobs even before the heresy too

The emperor really should have just cut his losses

[severe trail]

tbf they were really useful during the Crusade

they were prolly gona get taken out back after that tho

[shy lark]

A lot of them are in a case with limited supply and might makes right, not necessarily being the better strategist

[snow siren]

Yeah, Curze ganking Dorn wasn’t a good move

[fiery wind]

Also a fan of those books! Personally I loved Red Tithe. Night Lords aren’t traditional chaos marines. And in that one specifically the use of chaos itself bc a fractious point to the warband. NLs are just predators and pirates so it was a really cool depiction personally

[pale vigil]

I definitely preferred the second and third book, even if the third book isn't a direct continuation

Kinda feel bad for Rannick - her first posting after finishing school ends up being attacked by Night Lords, her second posting after getting picked up by an Inquisitor ends up with everyone dying again

I wonder if she just stayed on that shrine world

I think the third book is my favourite, despite being pretty silly as a concept imo. The Mechanicus were pretty fun and the chaos dude was great

[clear brook]

Looking for any good book recs for someone who's basically only read the first two in HH series... I saw the sticky post as well 😄

[mental cobalt]

what good books are there for carcharodons and tyberos

[severe trail]

Tyberos none, the most insight into him is from the original Imperial Armour Badab books which just paint him as an anti social weirdo who likes murder.

For the Carchs the Carcharadons trilogy by Robbie MacNiven. Tyberos shows up but he's not really a character in them, hes very background mostly

Also

Do not read this one

For the love of fucking god Silent Hunters is an atrocious book

[pale vigil]

We only actually see Tyberos in the second one, right?

First one he's not included at all besides by name, second one he murders some nids in pure fan service (man could've sent anyone else to deal with it) and then the third one he's absent again.

Im am curious though: It's pretty heavily implied the Carchs are a successor chapter to the Night Lords, but they worship 'The Void-Father' and 'The Forgotten One'. Void-father is Big E, its stated a few times, but who the Hell is the Forgotten One? It cant actually be Conrad, right lmao?

[potent warren]

They're really explicitly Terran Raven Guard descendants

The Void Father is Big E, they're deeply religious

They also talk about the Forgotten One who sent them into exile and awaiting his return to bring them back to the Imperium which alludes to Corvus Corax sending away the terran born Raven Guard+they have Great Crusade era armor marks

Corax sent away a huge swathe of his Terran Marines during the Crusade for their brutality and slaverish mannerisms

They use the term Shade Lord too which dates back to the RG in the Great Crusade

They also trade heavily with the Ashen Claws and have close relations with them, and they're also exiled Terran Raven Guard who date back to the Crusade era

They also also have the same genetic defects as the Raven Guard

Suffering from Ash Blindness and the pale skin/black eyes bit

And they have tattoos akin to the prison tattoos RG rocked in the GC

I don't think I'm forgetting anything

[severe trail]

Yeah

[snow siren]

The second one has a weird lore inconsistency

Basically, Alberecht, Huron and Culn are all huge,

Alberecht is easily the biggest Astarte at Badab

By making Tyberos so big in the novels (he was created to be average height. Also, was probably a Veteran Sergeant, maybe a Captain at best) it makes Alberecht even bigger again (potentially Huron too).

So we get this weird inconsistency where’s there’s primarch sized Astartes running around all over the place, and people equate size and ability.

But people have been hard glazing a pretty mid combat effective chapter fairly hard

[tall phoenix]

Im pretty sure they are as big as titans last time i checked

[snow siren]

The way the fans go on Tyberos could well be

[potent warren]

Tyberos isnt actually that big

When he's described as statuesque it's more about him being able to stay very, very still which is a big Carchs thing

He's like "big chapter master sized"

[snow siren]

Seems like every chapter has a guy who needs specially made power armour they’re so big

(Pausanias - ultramarines
Hagar - space wolves
Boss - Imperial fists)

[potent warren]

Voss

You should see Seydon

Iron Snakes

Voss isn't tall big

Voss is wide big

He's only like 6 foot something

[snow siren]

He was supposed to be average height

Alan Bligh realised between Culn, Huron and Alberecht, he was verging on giant = leader

So they stopped making them giants, specifically. When the kitbash for Tyberos (that then became the model) was used, it was intentionally made from bits of the normal kit to keep him average height.

[snow siren]

Yeah but he’s specifically ordered to stop working out or they won’t be able to make the armour fit him

[potent warren]

Idk if I'd say verging on

[potent warren]

Ik, read the omnibus

Like the Deathwatch

[snow siren]

I have

That’s where I got the part about him being under orders to stop exercising otherwise they won’t be able to give him power armour from

[potent warren]

Nah, sorry if that came off wrong

Mean "read" not "read"

Lmfao

[snow siren]

Ag sorry my G, my bad there

[potent warren]

Nah I get it, happens

I word things poorly on occasion

[snow siren]

To be fair, that was worded fine, it’s just English pretending to be a language again 😂😂

[odd skiff]

Tyberos isn’t that big

Lore wise he was a foot taller than the average marine

[snow siren]

That’s massive

Especially when there’s canonically bigger people out there

[twilit oyster]

hello all- I just joined this discord and have loved the 40k games over the years but have never dived into any of the books. I know there's a ton, but where's a generally good place to start?

[wise yew]

We have solid choices in the pins for just this occasion

[twilit oyster]

haha i'm dumb and slow

thanks

[wise yew]

You're welcome

[tall phoenix]

Yeah if you want anything specific feel free to ask though

[mental cobalt]

just give them your favorite author

some dan abnett slop

[tall phoenix]

👎

[autumn willow]

he isnt wrong, we always Recommend Eisenhorn

[tall phoenix]

👎

[drowsy urchin]

I recently finished the first Eisenhorn again, and to be fair not a lot happens in it. It's good but the subsequent books are a lot better

[snow siren]

Xenos?

I love how much time passes in Malleus

Like, Bequin books are all an afternoon

[drowsy urchin]

Yeah Xenos

[wide mica]

Those books are lame, read real books like honourbound and Outgunned

[odd skiff]

Descent of Angels.

[frigid osprey]

Xenos by Dan Abnett is the best place to start

it just is

its quintessential 40k

[sturdy dust]

I just finished that book, it’s so good.

Also his Gaunts Ghosts series is peak IG

[mental cobalt]

I think i will purchase ashes of the imperium. I am hyped to read it

[tacit void]

It is good

Wraight keeps cooking

[drowsy urchin]

I'm almost at the last chapter, it has been very good

[shy lark]

I ended up quite enjoying it in the end despite not really caring about the HH much, the Iron Warrior is great

[tacit void]

Adraharsis very cool

[shy lark]

That's the Word Bearer right, I already forget the names. Jovial fellow, kind of liked him too

[runic root]

I was my own santa claus today. Visited my local GW shop and satisfied my space shark thirst (first book of the fuckers, all my previous knowledge is from memes, YouTube shorts and that one Major-kill video)

[tacit void]

Yep heh

[vale wren]

this one is pretty good, for bolterslop anyway

i'm a bit of a mechanicus simp though so my opinion is skewed

[runic root]

I am a glutton for bolterporn

Roided up emotionally limited Superhuman wearing a truck shooting redbull cans go brrrrrrr

If i want to read something deep i'll read Dostojewski. Or Kant. Or when i wanna read something really sad and deep i'll read Schoppenhauer.

Give me my bolterporn for relaxation

[forest spruce]

Void exile?

I can't read German ;-;

[shy lark]

yea

Referring to the sharks as vagabonds in the emptiness is really funny to me

[forest spruce]

It's an apt description

[frigid osprey]

void exile is good but deffo read the first two otherwise u won't know who tf anyone is

[vale wren]

i read it without reading any other carcharodons shit and i liked it

[forest spruce]

It's a great book alone but I prefer it as the trilogy

[runic root]

Youre not missing out on much 😜🫠

[sturdy dust]

For anyone with an interest in getting some first hand perspective on Chaos, I'm reading Daemon World right now and it's pretty good.

[frigid osprey]

ur not allowed to like it nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

[snow siren]

Great book that one

[tall phoenix]

Yeah one of my first 40k books, its very unique

[uneven crane]

How good is Day of Ascension?

[tall phoenix]

Extremely good

for the only sole GSC-focus novel ever especially

to quote the author Tchaikovsky himself

It's a story of a monstrous sect of religious fanatics that consumes countless human lives solely to perpetuate its own predatory existence... ||vs the Genestealer Cults.||

[forest spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/muscle-man-spit-spit-take-monyetguru-drink-gif-26644242

That's funny af

[uneven crane]

Thats awesome

I'll have to scour this book

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its absolutely worth a read

[severe trail]

Day of ascension is gold

[runic root]

I havent started it yet.

I have no idea If its objectively good. I am sure i'll like it since i like most bolterporn but i dont know If this is fine dining foie gras or greasy McDonalds🤷🏻

I'll find out and i will report 🫡

[forest spruce]

It's not fio gras but it's like a nice juicy ribeye

[runic root]

Sounds good to me

😋

[vale wren]

There's no such thing as objectively good, you can relax

[pale vigil]

The third book is the best for bolterslop imo

Its got mechanicus being both incredibly inept and stupid, but also competent and funny, you've got Carcharodons being the most precious little autistic murder babies ever and you've got a pretty fun chaos villain

Better than the Night Lords from the first book imo

The second book is a little nothing burger for me - the intrigue/investigation portion goes by way too fast, the final battle at the end (whilst incredibly cool for including a Dreadnought) kinda ends abruptly and there's just no character to the villains.

[frigid osprey]

also in the second book McNiven calls it a contemptor when its clearly meant to be a leviathan dread 💀

[pale vigil]

I doooon't think so

[frigid osprey]

iirc 💀

[pale vigil]

They're mentioned as Contempters in the first book and I don't think you could transfer an insane pilot to a different Dreadnought

[tall phoenix]

You can if he has enough willpower

which is the excuse authors use lmao

flimsy about as anything

[pale vigil]

Eh, I think they're still meant to be Contempters

[frigid osprey]

im gonna have to re-read it

i just remember it being super distractioong at the time haha

doesnt he have a siege drill or something

[pale vigil]

It already seems weird enough for the Carcharodons to get Primaris (does that mean Terra has every single Chapter listed and tracked??)

[frigid osprey]

and is huge

[tall phoenix]

Normal dreads can get those too

[pale vigil]

Siege drill and a claw I believe

[tall phoenix]

the huge part is probably just the author exaggerating

[pale vigil]

With flamers on the chest

[tall phoenix]

books do that a lot

[frigid osprey]

weapons on chest like a leviathan dread 💀

[pale vigil]

Actually that might be it, do Contemptors get chest weapons?

[frigid osprey]

nope they dont

i mean it makes it better to imagine as a leviathan

the scene

[pale vigil]

You could chalk that up to the Carcharodons just mix and matching parts again

[tall phoenix]

Space Sharks have always been tracked, they make regular contact with the Imperium for supplies, them living in the outer wilds doesnt mean they are invisible. Terra also has to have every loyalist chapter somewhat tracked because they gotta regularly send them their geneseeds for checkups to check for signs of corruption among other things.

[sturdy dust]

Someone’s never seen Sharknado

[pale vigil]

Huh

I always assumed they were far worse at keeping track of them

[tall phoenix]

If they were then Loyalist chapters could just do what they want without repurcussions.

mostly regarding shit thats "Ummm hello thats heresy="

[pale vigil]

I mean

Carchs are fairly heretical

[tall phoenix]

I mean not really

them taking slaves is very much whatever

[pale vigil]

They refer to Big E as 'Void Father' thats a big no-no

[tall phoenix]

No?

[severe trail]

That’s fine

[tall phoenix]

Chapter Cults can follow their own stuff as long as its not heretical, they still revere the Emperor

[severe trail]

There’s weirder sub cults

[tall phoenix]

this is a default rule

[severe trail]

There’s literally an emperor cult on a feral world

That worships a rock

The imperium is A okay with that

[pale vigil]

Feral world

Not an Astartes chapter

But anywayanyway

They also deal with Renegades, who I'll admit are basically loyalist lmao

[tall phoenix]

I mean thats done under wraps

[pale vigil]

And of course that time they murdered a loyal imperial world just to bait another loyalist chapter into fighting

[tall phoenix]

its heretical but not public information that can be learned easily

[tall phoenix]

Like I said, ultra-heresy stuff

this is just regular astartes shit, they wont have their Chapter wiped over it

[pale vigil]

I mean

[tall phoenix]

💀

[pale vigil]

I haven't read the Badab war, because I don't think its actually a series lmao, but I think even the Inquisition would be a bit like, "Wait, you murdered them to do what?"

[tall phoenix]

Its a series but has books worth of lore across 2 books.

[pale vigil]

As far as I know, they weren't corrupted or anything

[severe trail]

The Badab war had a lot of shit going on

lol

[tall phoenix]

^

[frigid osprey]

its not novels, its forge world books

[tall phoenix]

its 100% worth a read

[frigid osprey]

but u cant buy them

[tall phoenix]

Read the wiki page

[frigid osprey]

might be on the warhammer+ vault

[severe trail]

The space sharks, lamenters, astral claws, Minotaurs and mantis warriors got up to some shit

lol

[tall phoenix]

its entirely copy pasted from the books

lmao

[vale wren]

someone in the inquisition will cope and seethe obviously, but nothing much will happen

[severe trail]

Oh also the executioners

But that was mostly skinning prisoners

[tall phoenix]

Yeah this. For retribution you need to do REALLY bad shit.

[severe trail]

Lol

[vale wren]

also nothing ever happens

to chapters people know about anyway

[tall phoenix]

Well it does

[severe trail]

The imperium had written off everyone in Badab under Hurons rule

[tall phoenix]

if you are some nobody chapter

💀

[pale vigil]

I didn't say the Carchs have done anything worth getting classified as traitors over

But they're fairly heretical sometimes

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but they do it out of sight

like we said

Its still not outright chaos worship etc, its not that big of a deal

the Imperium doesnt care unless Carchs start actively affecting it

[vale wren]

also dilara can you pin the kuli guide in the arbites channel

[pale vigil]

I mean, if we're talking Chapters who do heretical shit under wraps the most

Surely its Blood Angels or Space Wolves and their mutants right?

[tall phoenix]

Eh not reallly

again

[tall phoenix]

Can you post a link

[severe trail]

Libators got sanctioned by the inqusition for their treatment of prisoners

[tall phoenix]

ill jump to it

[severe trail]

Which is hilarious

The Libators being a 2nd founding ultramarines sucessor

Who like to drink blood and offer blood to the emperor and Guilliman

[pale vigil]

Sanctioned over prisoners...?

[severe trail]

Yes

[pale vigil]

I feel like context is required

[severe trail]

I’m not joking

[severe trail]

There isn’t context, it’s a 1 sentence codex blurb

[tall phoenix]

^

Chapters have gotten away with worse

[severe trail]

You’re left to draw your own conclusions on what they did

But given the chapter enjoys drinking blood and offering it up

Who the fuck knows

[pale vigil]

Yeeeeeh thats the sorta thing I'd probably just chalk up to uuugh

What the term? Unreliable narrator.

[tall phoenix]

I mean why

like i said nobody cares as long as you dont actively affect the way the Imperium's body is run in a local sector/system.

[severe trail]

I doubt it’s an unreliable narrator

In this instance

[pale vigil]

I mean

[tall phoenix]

its very much not

[vale wren]

#arbites-class message

[tall phoenix]

its codex test

[severe trail]

Codex text is just like that

It’s vague sometimes for blurbs

[tall phoenix]

Yeah codex text is only vague IF the text is like

"However this is unreliable information as per imperial records"

[severe trail]

Yeah the codex lore is usually out of universe narrators

[pale vigil]

Unless they straight up did some fucking blood ritual sacrifice stuff, dancing in the street as they did it, I don't much see what they coudl've done

[severe trail]

It’s obvious when it’s an in universe one

[severe trail]

I mean probably

[tall phoenix]

Yeah so its legit basically

[severe trail]

They literally offer it up to Guilliman and the emperor in golden chalices

And do other weird shit

[tall phoenix]

Its peak

[pale vigil]

I think I prefer that to the Salamander successors who eat their dead

[severe trail]

We don’t have a ton of lore beyond their super ritualistic about exsanguination. Drinking blood and they got sanctioned

[pale vigil]

And more than just the brain bits

[severe trail]

lol

Oh also their color scheme

I guess

Hope you like yellow

[pale vigil]

Oh that chapter just doens't have an identity lmao

[tall phoenix]

Successor Chapter Moment

[severe trail]

This is most chapters

lol

They got lucky to get 5 sentences

[pale vigil]

"Who are you?"
"Well we're an Ultramarine successor who dress up like Imperial Fists and act like Blood Ravens"

[severe trail]

Some only get one

Anyways give me more lore on the gore golems

Goofy ass chapter name

[vale wren]

2000s bl writers were just doing shit huh

[runic root]

Which one did i get? 1st, 2nd or 3rd and how are the other two called?

[tall phoenix]

They still are tbh

[vale wren]

Trve

[tall phoenix]

some modern successor chapter lore is hilairous

[pale vigil]

"GUYS, WE'RE MAKING SO MUCH FUCKING MONEY"

[frigid osprey]

u got the 3rd, the first is Red Tithe and the second is Outer Dark

[pale vigil]

"WRITE ANYTHING!"

[tall phoenix]

Its not really about money

writers just do these for fun

its to give you the reader ideas for homebrew

[severe trail]

Gore golems are modern

lol

[tall phoenix]

LOL

NOT THE GORE GOLEMS

[severe trail]

They’re from 2020

[runic root]

I will buy the other two

[pale vigil]

Red Tithe, Outer Dark, Void Exile

[severe trail]

YES THE GORE GOLEMS

[tall phoenix]

[severe trail]

they deserve more lore just for having a name like that

Lol

[tall phoenix]

I love how

has great name
no lore

peak

[vale wren]

https://tenor.com/view/based-so-fucking-zased-sam-hyde-samir-al-hyden-samuel-hyde-costco-incident-gif-23747241

[severe trail]

Peak homebrew adoption chance

[frigid osprey]

the Gooners chapter

[severe trail]

lol

[pale vigil]

What franchise do you reckon has more empty wiki pages

Transformers or 40k?

[severe trail]

Transformers by power of age

[pale vigil]

Isn't 40k older??

[severe trail]

Though 40k is prolly close

[tall phoenix]

Transformers is ancient

lol

[vale wren]

Transformer comics are like prehistoric

[tall phoenix]

^

[severe trail]

Transformers older then 40k

I’m not including whfb and AoS

[tall phoenix]

40k is from 1987

[severe trail]

Yeah transformers is older then the warhammers by a bit

[tall phoenix]

a lot of great IPs predate it

even Star Wars lmao

1977 babyyyyy

[severe trail]

Glup shitto

[frigid osprey]

star wars is shit tho

[tall phoenix]

DEXTER

JETSTER

[pale vigil]

Yeh thats mad to me lmao

[severe trail]

Remember you could see an execution via guillotine in Paris and a few weeks later see Star Wars

lol

[tall phoenix]

so is 40k

yet we love it

[frigid osprey]

noooooo its noooot

(yeah okay)

[tall phoenix]

40k fans be like "Haha what a dumb character name Han Solo"

Meanwhile 40k

THREXOS HELLBREED THE PILLAGER

[pale vigil]

Star Wars and 40k are 2 halves of the same coin imo

[forest spruce]

Hey he's an upstanding blood raven

[frigid osprey]

meanwhile the emperor is literally called Jimmy Space

smh

[severe trail]

Soulterrox Gorereaper

Actual name

[forest spruce]

Face the wall

[severe trail]

From the admech codex btw

[tall phoenix]

I wouldnt say so

40k has always been a pretender setting that got big

it has sotlen from every sci-fi media in existence

its how it got so famous

its a soup of what everyone likes

[frigid osprey]

neither 40k or star wars are sci-fi so theres some truth there

[tall phoenix]

^

[frigid osprey]

💀

[tall phoenix]

Star Wars was basically samurai/cowboy films in space as per Lucas

[pale vigil]

Star Wars is a hyper futuristic dystopia with hope and fate being the main themes of it

[frigid osprey]

with space wizards

[pale vigil]

40k is a hyper futuristic dystopia where there is no hope and strength of character prevails above all

[tall phoenix]

I mean

[forest spruce]

40k is a future dystopia about abandoning morals and duty being the main theme

[tall phoenix]

Star Wars is absolutely awful imo

i dont think this isnt a fact either

lmao

it looks great from the outside but uhhh Hutt Cartels moment

😭

(and about all the other awful shit)

[pale vigil]

Yeh, two halves of the same coin

[tall phoenix]

Kinda. SW is not that depressing about it.

[pale vigil]

Both universes are quite awful, but its the tone of which the characters and story takes it

[tall phoenix]

40k started out as a satire of fascist british regimes of Thatcher before evolving into what it is now

[pale vigil]

40k leans hard on the dark, depressing aspect of it, and how people are genuinely crushed underneath it all with only a few ever breaking free

[forest spruce]

Even those who break free are still shackled there leash is just longer

[pale vigil]

Whilst Star Wars leans more into the jovial, 'anyone can be a hero!' because it is ultimately for kids

Though Clone Wars and their Maul plotline was super fun with none of that shit lmao

[tall phoenix]

I mean

40k is also marketed for kids

lol

[pale vigil]

I did see a like, Paw Patrol style 40k show or something and that seemed wild to me lmao

[tall phoenix]

its basically marketed as an IP that can eb enjoyed by anyone like SW

which is smart because more customers lol

[pale vigil]

I know Star Wars can be incredibly dark and gritty, I read the Darth Plagueis books aaaages ago, but its like

Star Wars is for kids with content for adults

40k is for adults with content for kids

Thats how I view it

[tall phoenix]

Kinda, SW has a ton of violent shit in it too

See Andor or any episode of Clone Wars/Bad Patch

40k is very much still marketed mainly towards teens/kids, adults are just an extra demographic to exploit

[pale vigil]

The difference is blood lmao

Star Wars defaults to no blood, 40k defaults to blood

And blood, at least in the uk, is a massive decider of something's age rating

[frigid osprey]

that is a good point

its weird because the models & hobby really are marketed to kids, thats their ideal demographic

like GW stores really want kids in there getting hooked on buying models

and i guess modesl dont have ratings so the blood is no problem

i guess its really the parents buying the models but the kids are the ones who're marketed at

[pale vigil]

Model kits do have age ratings, but its typically based on complexity/likelyhood of the kid choking on something

I hope I'm not going insane and misremembering, I swear the boxes from my GW have age ratings on them

[frigid osprey]

i can look right now

💀

[pale vigil]

I think I've got one in my room somewhere

[frigid osprey]

12+ on my emperors children box 💀

and speciffically no under 3s

[pale vigil]

Yeh thats just 'cuse babies will try eating Lucius

[tall phoenix]

I mean

E.Children have always been about goofy body horror

teenagers dont care much about violence

[frigid osprey]

its 12 for all anyway

except forge world

[tall phoenix]

[pale vigil]

I'd asssume because of resin parts

And possible lung cancer 'cuse of it

Though I'd thought they'd discontinued resign stuff all together

[frigid osprey]

yeah it is

resin dust

[frigid osprey]

nah, not FW, not yet anyway, but they do 100% plan to

oh also maybe cause u have to use superglue as well

[pale vigil]

I keep forgetting super glue is a controlled item

[frigid osprey]

u dont want kids gluing their eyelids together 💀

i dont actually know if it's controlled but it's deffo risky, i wouldnt let a kid play with superglue

[pale vigil]

Its less about risk and more about people sniffing it

[frigid osprey]

also because you have to get the actual blades out for FW stuff too

not just mold line scrapers

me cutting myself then using the convenient superglue to glue my skin back together

[pale vigil]

Superglue being used for its intended purpose?

Wild

[frigid osprey]

yeah lol

[forest spruce]

I have to show my id to buy duster

[frigid osprey]

me abusing air duster and then using it to spray all the resin dust in the air

poggers

[forest spruce]

And yet I can buy liquor

10/10 law enforcement

[pale vigil]

Remember kids, drugs are bad unless its alcohol

[forest spruce]

It's still bad

It's just socially acceptable

[mental cobalt]

convincing my fwends to get me the scouring for christmas

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/846790964538114068.webp?size=96&animated=true

[tall phoenix]

despicable

[sonic walrus]

If I could have one wish. It's that John Banks never read another Warhammer book ever again.

[sonic walrus]

If John Banks is the reader. Just throw the book in the trash. He's the guy they pay to read all their garbage tier content.

[frigid osprey]

listening to a book

[runic root]

And If i had one, it would be that gav Thorpe never gets to write one again

[forest spruce]

I'm so used to John Banks at this point I'm actually thrown off then there's another narrator

I wish it was easier to see who narrates a book on audible

Also why the hate for banks?

[pale vigil]

Just click the sample button

[celest heron]

don't bodyshame the EC, hes beautiful

[kindred tendon]

HERE I COME!!!

[celest heron]

nice cup

[forest spruce]

It actually says who narrates it on the title details but I was just hoping I could sort my entire library by narrator

[potent warren]

Adrian Smith my goat

[runic root]

Currently half way through book 3 of the space sharks

Wth did the former first reaper do to get exiled? And yes, i wanna be spoiled, by the time i buy and read the first two books i'll have forgotten the reason

Dont make me open up google chrome

[forest spruce]

It's explained in the book your reading

It's not in the first two

[pale vigil]

Its not explicitly stated what Shar did, as far as Im aware

But I think its pretty safe to assume he lost himself to the blindness on the agri-platforms (which aren't apart of any of the three books) and then left out of shame really

I still think the Carchs having something like exiles is ridiculous - in a chapter where personal honour is disregarded as a pointless thing, it feels incredibly out of character for the chapter to banish marines

Surely you'd just shoot them

[tall phoenix]

It really doesnt. They are pretty much a stickler for traditional dumb stuff like that.

[tall phoenix]

Thats even dumber

[pale vigil]

Shoot the waste of flesh, retrieve the geneseed and wargear

At least that way you're not actively throwing wargear, geneseed and marines into the void to die and never be recovered

Which void exiles are supposed to do

If like, it was framed as a small squad of marines sent to do very specific missions, ala Deathwatch style, Id get it because their entire thing is being spread thin

But literally mind wiping marines, taking all their gear and then sending them to die in random space hulks is silly as a concept.

[tall phoenix]

Its really not, its a medieval-esque tradition/quirk any Chapter has, an Astartes is still an Astartes and Space Sharks dont really roll that way

[forest spruce]

It's penance. All chapters do things like this

[pale vigil]

Except they bang on about how hallowed their wargear is and how they cant waste anything

Yet send 3 suits of incredibly old armour to be claimed by hereteks

[forest spruce]

The suits are barely working and probably close to being unrepairable anyways

You can only fix something so many times before it can't be fixed anymore

[pale vigil]

So youre gonna send them to the heretics to shove a Daemon in and not give a shit about any hardware issues?

Use it to train scouts, make them fight with the motors randomly cutting out

[forest spruce]

They literally do not care about the exiles so yes

[pale vigil]

But they should care about the wargear

[forest spruce]

The war gear that's on its last legs and can't be fixed anymore

[pale vigil]

The only time I've heard the Imperium say something cant be fixed, is when its been blown up by the enemy

And even then, they'll reclaim the material and use it

If the Imperium at large does this, surely the ultra logistically strained chapter is going to too?

[forest spruce]

They are literally given the worst gear and sent to die. They are being written off as "acceptable losses"

It's not wasteful if they die and complete some objective. If they live good they'll be sent to the next mission. If they die, so what they are exiles anyways

It's more wasteful to just kill the marine

And you wouldn't even use the geneseed from an exile anyways

[pale vigil]

False

When Talon dies to the Defiler, Hurrangi (or however you spell his name lmao) specifically states his geneseed will be retrieved

[forest spruce]

If that's the case then so will the wargear

[pale vigil]

Yes, but that's because the exiles happened to be on planet with the company

The company had no idea they were even in system

[forest spruce]

If they don't know, so what they are exiles and they died trying to earn forgiveness for there sins. Bro what is hard about all this to understand

They do not care about exiles. They are given gear that if it goes missing nobody will miss.

[odd skiff]

💀

[frigid osprey]

the sharks are pretty well armed anyway i think?

so they probably just simply dont mind losing a couple of their worse suits

cause the grey tithe keeps them well stocked

is the exiles sell their lives for a good price thats worth more to the chapter than some equipment i'd think

doing some impossible mission that youd never want to throw your battle brothers into

its very 40k

[pale vigil]

This is why I left this discord - yall spend so much time trying to 'explain' things like I just dont get it

I do. My opinion is that its silly for them.

[pale vigil]

They do apparently get grey tithes every couple decades, so maybe suits aren't the biggest concern

[forest spruce]

Your actively participating in the discussion....

https://tenor.com/view/house-are-you-dumb-dense-gif-12448939

[forest spruce]

[smoky bronze]

They can take the progenoids out of a marine after a couple hundred years iirc

Once the second one matures they're both free i think?

[forest spruce]

Lol no

For the first gland it's 5 years

For the second it's 10

But the second is in the chest and either needs extensive surgery to get or is harvested after death

[smoky bronze]

Ahh

I was wondering why apothecaries were still ripping them out of everyone

Thoracic surgery on a space marine is probably real hard with that rib-case they have

[forest spruce]

It is

[pale vigil]

Its why they have a little chainsaw on their arms lmao

And like, the biggest needles

[severe trail]

Also for armor

the chainsaw helps open up armor, which is

kind of silly

but whatever

[smoky bronze]

Yeah i assume the ceramite is a bigger deal than the ribs

[pale vigil]

You reckon there's a like, "Cut here" line on their armour

[smoky bronze]

For postmortem

[severe trail]

based on how we've seen the funny device used probably not

since it "scans" for the injury somehow

[smoky bronze]

Apothecaries get an impossible amount of practice since every chapter has way more churn than they could possibly sustain

[pale vigil]

I thought it was just scanning the status of the geneseed

[smoky bronze]

And yeah there's some kind of medical auspex

[pale vigil]

If the geneseed is damaged, no point wasting time cutting through armour and bone to get it

[smoky bronze]

Med servitors, magos biologis have them too sometimes iirc

But yeah they probably take the progenoids out of marines being sent on penance suicide missions

[severe trail]

thats a seperate function for extraction

there's a fucking tube thingy

they use to succ it out

[pale vigil]

Unironically I think Space King does the whole magical balls thing way better

[smoky bronze]

Tbh once you're not worried about anything but the one gland the surgery becomes a lot more simple

I doubt apothecaries leave the surrounding area looking great after a battlefield extraction lol

[forest spruce]

They do not because once the glands put a marines just meat

[tall phoenix]

Bruh

getou-

[smoky bronze]

Do chain weapons still have weak power fields? Goofy as that is it would explain how they work for opening the armor

[pale vigil]

Mono-molecular blades I believe

[smoky bronze]

You'd think they'd be more angle grinder than chainsaw but hey mini scales

[forest spruce]

No monocular teeth though, probably coated in adamant

[tall phoenix]

^^

theres no powerfield

thats for the Eviscerators

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chainsword

Read up homies

[smoky bronze]

Oh its just the eviscerators huh

[tall phoenix]

yeah since they are biggerer and huger

[pale vigil]

Hold on

The eviscerator from DT has a power field?

[smoky bronze]

That makes the rest of them a lot goofier

A weak one which is why it works on carapace

[pale vigil]

I always found that passage in whatever codex hilarious

"It seems all races gravitate toward the chain blade as the most optimal method of melee weaponry."

Since I think only Necrons and Tau don't have chain weaponry of any kind lmao

[smoky bronze]

They're the perfect weapon for killing troths

[tall phoenix]

All evis' do

its factory-built

[pale vigil]

Its definitely not a completely illogical weapon

If you had both the grip strength, and general strength, to use one without it flying out your hand when it got stuck in something, it would be a fairly decent (if extremely bloody) weapon

[smoky bronze]

I thought they all did because they're nonsense otherwise

swing chainsword
skids off flak plate
gets clogged with polymer cloth

[pale vigil]

Eh, if the blades are sharp enough they won't get gummed up

[severe trail]

evis have a shitty powerfield

which is fun

[tall phoenix]

the chainsword is an absolutely awful and dumb weapon yeah

[celest heron]

or fast enough

[tall phoenix]

shit like Gears of War acknowledge what a horrid idea a chainsaw weapon is lol

it works because Cool™

[severe trail]

yeah but its cool and striking scorpions are awsome

[smoky bronze]

That's true magic monomolecular blades means they probably handle fabrics ok at least

[tall phoenix]

its impractical and stupid

[pale vigil]

I mean its a 3 part weapon

[tall phoenix]

Non-human, doesnt count 👎

[severe trail]

also chainswords in 40k don't work like chainsaws which is weird

they start sawing back and forth

if they get "stuck" into something

which ???

but okay

[smoky bronze]

They probably figured they'd go flying otherwise

[tall phoenix]

Dumb authors

[smoky bronze]

Funny that it works like a handsaw though

Reciprocating sawsword

I'd love to know how they keep monomolecular edges sharp

[pale vigil]

1. Its fucking terrifying to see someone coming at you with a chainsword, fear factor alone gives it an edge over a regular sword.

2. Its anti-armour. With only a couple seconds it can shred through Astartes armour and pretty much anything that isn't McGuffin territory, even vehicles have to worry about them.

3. Where getting hit with a regular sword would leave you bleeding, you might not actually notice it/react to being hit. I once brushed my arm against a wickedly sharp bit of table in my work kitchen and I cut that thing open, a scary amount of blood lmao, but I just did not notice the metal dragging through my skin.

[smoky bronze]

Maybe its a really big molecule

[pale vigil]

Chainswords would have gun level 'knock' to them when you got hit

[tall phoenix]

Its terrifying until you shoot them in the face

chainsword weapons make no sense

this is well known and its not tha big of a deal

[forest spruce]

I want to build a chainsword for home defense

[smoky bronze]

It being anti-armor is a complete invention of the setting as well lol

[pale vigil]

They make a little sense

[tall phoenix]

I mean if you try

you can say that about any weapon lol

[tall phoenix]

^

its hilarious too

[pale vigil]

I mean

[tall phoenix]

[pale vigil]

Its basically a chainsaw for metal

[smoky bronze]

That's why i thought they all had power fields!!

No have you ever seen a metal blade for a bandsaw lol

[pale vigil]

The reason bandsaw blades, and angle grinder blades, are so 'smooth' is so they don't catch and break and murder someone with a shard of hardened steel through the eye

[severe trail]

Chainswords would be best for soft tissue

[celest heron]

also they had to make up a fantasy metal for the teeth to just not yeet off

[smoky bronze]

Power field made sense because then maybe armor becomes kinda more like wood

[severe trail]

If GW was like

[pale vigil]

A chainsword gives no fucks about getting caught on things

[severe trail]

Thinking

[forest spruce]

Chainsword tear all the teeth off fairly often

[pale vigil]

Side note

Pretty much every race in 40k has been dealing with Orks for like, ever?

Whats good against plants? A chainsaw.

[tall phoenix]

It does. Chainswords can get jammed.

[smoky bronze]

No its because the difficulty of removing material is proportional to how much you're trying to remove at once lol

[pale vigil]

I like the idea that, somewhat like Terminator armour, chainswords were originally made specifically for dealing with Orks and the Imperium just stuck with them

[celest heron]

I like th eidea that they were just chainsaws

but soooomeone had an stc

[smoky bronze]

There's also physics of cutting soft bodies vs hard bodies when toothing but that also favors a smaller tooth for really hard stuff

Chainsword as a fancy machete actually does make sense

Like a hedge trimmer

[severe trail]

The eldar have chainswords

For…. Reasons

one of the aspect shrines uses them so they’re old old

[smoky bronze]

Don't want to feel left out

[severe trail]

lol

[pale vigil]

See, Eldar don't use chainweapons like, ever lmao

[celest heron]

typical elgi

[severe trail]

They do

[pale vigil]

They also barely ever fight Orks head on

[severe trail]

Striking scorpions and storm guardians use them

[smoky bronze]

Orks would use chain weapons because they're loud

[tall phoenix]

They do

[vale wren]

They do

[forest spruce]

Bros just making shit up that this point

[tall phoenix]

guardians can use chain weapons

[severe trail]

Guardian SGTs use them sometimes as well

Or they use the fancy eldar swords

[pale vigil]

I've legit only seen foot soldiers using the fancy sword lmao

[tall phoenix]

also the lore implies the very idea of chainweapons was stolen from the eldar

[smoky bronze]

Those look bizzarely like human chainswords wow

[severe trail]

Chainswords are worse lol

[tall phoenix]

Because chainswords are shit weapons

LOL yeah

[severe trail]

Yeah chainswords are ass

On the tabletop

Like

Genuine near bottom of the barrel weapon

[pale vigil]

I mean, compared to anything else the Eldar have, I'm not surprised

[severe trail]

Nah

For every faction

It’s only better then bare hands or a knife

Unless you got a special one

Then it becomes the obliterator of souls

[pale vigil]

So Gorechild

[tall phoenix]

[severe trail]

yeah basicially lol

[vale wren]

Mfw AP0

[smoky bronze]

40k weapon
Named 40k weapon

[severe trail]

Hey some of them are AP-1 now

for chainswords

mostly marine and SoB ones

[forest spruce]

A name holds power in 40k

It literally is the difference between unkillable nightmare or canon fodder

[severe trail]

for an incomplete list of chainswords that murder shit

karandras and striking scorpion ones
The juggerlord chainsword
space marine captain chainsword
Chaos Lord chainsword

every other chainsword can be discounted as mid

or bad

[pale vigil]

Every time I hear about the actual rules of tabletop I'm more and more convinced its a shit portrayal of 40k

[celest heron]

Arent lasguns ap1?

[vale wren]

Frostfang my beloved

[severe trail]

lasguns are AP0

[celest heron]

ah

[severe trail]

lasguns are AP6 in the old system

[smoky bronze]

I like to think the helmetless effect exists in universe and is like a human waaagh effect

[severe trail]

which is basically useless

lol

because the things that have a 6+ save are like

plague zombies

and grots

[forest spruce]

To be fair most Marines not wearing a helmet probably have an iron halo

[vale wren]

8 2 damage attacks at ap -3

Chainsword btw

[pale vigil]

I mean, considering every race does it I think the Warp has just manifested this into being reality

[severe trail]

its meant to be fun

not lore accurate

Lore is vibes

[smoky bronze]

Famous people with recognizable faces are literally impossible to hit in the head

[severe trail]

for a faction

nail the vibes right

balance comes in to make shit work properly

[vale wren]

Tabletop comes first, lore comes second

[celest heron]

can confirm from real world experience

[severe trail]

besides S4 AP0 on average does kill a guardsmen

lol

S4 AP0 on average kills most chaff decently well

even if its the basic bitch statline

[forest spruce]

40k exists to sell plastic crack

[severe trail]

truth nuke

[tall phoenix]

Its not a portrayal of 40k lol

[severe trail]

yea

its a fun wargame

lol

[tall phoenix]

you think guilliman can die to some goblins in the lore?

[tall phoenix]

also this

[severe trail]

Magnus got kicked to death by some Grots in a game I played once

[celest heron]

yes

[severe trail]

so yes

[vale wren]

All lore exists to market small plastic toys

[pale vigil]

Look, anyone determined enough can kill anytthing

[smoky bronze]

That does sound like lore magnus actually

[severe trail]

anyways I think in terms of goofiest lore vs tabletop things

[shy lark]

that's what he deserves for being a primarch and a chud

[severe trail]

Magnus had less strength then Iron hand straken

in 9e

[forest spruce]

Even space couldn't kill gulliman

[severe trail]

Iron Hand Straken could also punch a warhound to death

[celest heron]

creed could fit a benblade in his prison pocket

[pale vigil]

I'm attempting to block people who make conversations unfun to be apart of, so far its working

[smoky bronze]

Was he stronger than all the iron hands

[severe trail]

No

well

sorta

Ironhand strakens titular ironhand boosted his strength by a comically large amount

• catachan subfaction rules boosted stats on the charge

so you got to stack some goofy stuff

[celest heron]

anyways @pale vigil the real reason to hav ethe rules is to lo0ok at the cool art

[tall phoenix]

I think you just need to accept you can have weird opinions.

[vale wren]

He had steel hands

[smoky bronze]

Punching a warhound is beautiful that's some anime shit

[celest heron]

[tall phoenix]

also nitpick way too much

"this doesnt make sense"

literal backwards nazi space empire

[celest heron]

thats an insult to the nazis, thyey had a mostly functioning buerocracy

[severe trail]

💀

[celest heron]

[forest spruce]

If he keeps blocking people eventually he'll have nobody to talk to

And I'm all for that honestly

[pale vigil]

Calling people dense for having a different opinion is exactly why I blocked that dude

[forest spruce]

I called you dense because you intentionally ignored everything I said

[pale vigil]

Like if someone is being 'dense', stop interacting with them.

[tall phoenix]

You literally were repeating the exact same 4 points

[smoky bronze]

guard regiment from the planet that would mean they're bushwhacking constantly
signature melee weapon is not for bushwhacking
Emperor bless the catachan

[pale vigil]

No need to stop resorting to childish level name calling because someone isn't 'getting it'

[tall phoenix]

[tall phoenix]

Basically lol

[severe trail]

I do find it funny this loadout is illegal

[pale vigil]

Uhuh, because people kept arguing why I was wrong

[severe trail]

for the storm guardians

you can't mix chainswords and the eldar blade™ aside from on the sgt

unless GW changed that in 10e

or 9e

[celest heron]

why do the eldar have the symbol for saturn on their vehicle

[forest spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

I love bro talking about me like this

I live rent free

[severe trail]

they just do

[celest heron]

[pale vigil]

I wouldn't call it the exact same symbol

[tall phoenix]

Bruh you literally left the server because nobody on lore chat was agreeing with you on a weird subject

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1377109813854736494.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=TheSilly

[pale vigil]

Assuming google is showing me the right one

[smoky bronze]

"People said i was wrong so i said the same thing again" think about that for a min

[severe trail]

why does asurmen have a yin and yang symbol on his chest

[tall phoenix]

Thats a emplacement and its also the cosmic void serpent you dingdong

[severe trail]

because GW thought it looked cool

[forest spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/speak-gif-9578947274896178319

[tall phoenix]

Basically 2x

[forest spruce]

This is what it's like talking to bro

[severe trail]

still crazy how he just has his dead brothers soul in his sword

like

[smoky bronze]

Taiyi timeless concept... the eternal dao...

[severe trail]

???? okay

[celest heron]

https://tenor.com/view/dammaz-kron-dwarf-gif-27703552

[pale vigil]

I mean, if people are gonna keep 'arguing' the same points back to me, I'm just gonna keep reiterating my original point

[tall phoenix]

Thats not really how you win arguments though

thats going in a circle around a brick wall

[severe trail]

do you guys think Fuegan's banner is fireproof

[smoky bronze]

"Its horrible if we lose souls before putting them in the infinity circuit anyway im using one as a cool decoration

[pale vigil]

Which wasn't even a point more an opinion about something dumb in 40k, as if thats particularly rare

[celest heron]

that goes in the tablet

[severe trail]

or do you think he needs to remake it every battle

because it inevitably catches on fire due to his weapon of choice

[tall phoenix]

[smoky bronze]

I think it being fireproof would be a good precaution anyway

Asbestos flag

[pale vigil]

The soulstones get weirder the more I learn about them lol

[severe trail]

tbf he's in power armor Heavy aspect armor

[severe trail]

its not even in a soulstone

since its from pre fall

💀

[celest heron]

if his banner goes on fire, I worry bout his crotch

[severe trail]

his soul is just trapped in the sword

[pale vigil]

Like, I kinda assumed Eldar 'died' and were stored in the stones like data on a server

[severe trail]

nah its the whole ass soul in there lol

[pale vigil]

But nah, they're completely conscious sometimes?

[smoky bronze]

Sooort of

[severe trail]

its like a dream state

[celest heron]

the eldar is just a flesh puppet for the soulstone

[severe trail]

till a spirit seer makes them lucid

anyways which avatar of khaine melee is your favorite, there is a correct answer and an incorrect one

[celest heron]

this is why you can shove one in a chessboard

[severe trail]

[pale vigil]

I was watching a tabletop where a Webway gate had a dude defending it/operating it and he was the soul in the stone that was apart of the gate lmao

[smoky bronze]

You can put a soulstone in a wraithlord etc and i think some souls like farseers have acted from inside their circuit?

[pale vigil]

Obviously I don't know how accurate that actually is to 40k

[celest heron]

his nipple ring

[vale wren]

Only thing they're good for 😤

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it kinda depends on powersets/levels too

[severe trail]

a spirit seer soulstone is basicially always lucid

lol

[tall phoenix]

the lumberfoot salt keeps flowing

[severe trail]

but some random person on the path of underwater basketweaving

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/shiba-inu-mining-nvidia-rtx-gif-20726165

[severe trail]

probably won't have that lucidity

till a spirit seer wakes them up

[forest spruce]

No not the crypto mines

[tall phoenix]

the punishment for any wayward Kin

[severe trail]

anyways you also get woken up by your twin sibbling sometimes

because Wraithknights are

edgy as fuck

[tall phoenix]

you will work for the Blockchain of Grudges

[forest spruce]

Rock and stone

[severe trail]

and need you to have a dead twin

to pilot properly

[smoky bronze]

Awakened soulstones are basically what eldar use for AI though afaik

[severe trail]

why did the eldar empire design it this way? who knows

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[severe trail]

I like wraith knights

smh

[pale vigil]

Pacific Rim ass story telling

[tall phoenix]

🫡

[celest heron]

you know the reason

its a kink

[shy lark]

the spear is by far the coolest fr fr 100%

[smoky bronze]

Saw evangelion 38000 years ago thought it was cool

[pale vigil]

Sword for nostalgia

[tall phoenix]

Thats for the titans actually

eldar titans are just EVAs

down to you needing a twin or a deceased one to pilot it

lmao

[pale vigil]

Avatar of Khaine always felt really out of place in Dark Crusade, like design-wise, but that was kinda cool about him

[celest heron]

i mean eldar titans are more darling in the franxx no?

[tall phoenix]

I mean

all 40k factions clash

[severe trail]

The avatar is meant to stand out

[tall phoenix]

thats kinda the point

[severe trail]

They mean from the eldar roster

[celest heron]

cuz the duo

[tall phoenix]

its kinda like when people say the Tau dont "fit 40k" when like... 40k's aesthetic isnt gothic junkyard explosions

lol

[celest heron]

tau dont fit do to their lack of slavery

[severe trail]

They do have it tho

[tall phoenix]

They do it the China way

[severe trail]

Smh

[tall phoenix]

dont worry

[severe trail]

The craftworld eldar have no slavery tho

[smoky bronze]

They don't do slavery the same way the US doesn't

[severe trail]

Same with the leagues of votaan

[severe trail]

They do via prisons

[celest heron]

no they get a pass due to their cousins

[severe trail]

lol

[pale vigil]

Is there like, any reason why the Eldar couldn't have a hundred Avatars chilling on their craft worlds?

Like they just need the one soul right?

[severe trail]

The shards coalesce and they require a literal blood sacrifice

They burn out

Eventually

[pale vigil]

Ah

[forest spruce]

Also the avatars are shards of the god khaine

[severe trail]

But as long as war and blood keeps on feeding its desire to stay awake

It keeps going

[forest spruce]

Wait why am I bothering he won't see it

[vale wren]

"Tau don't fit into 40k": boring, roundabout, lame
"I fucking hate the Tau aesthetics": straightforward, true, based

[tall phoenix]

That was me with that one dude

[severe trail]

But yeah the shards all coalesce into one big one

[tall phoenix]

Both are lame and virgin-diet

[smoky bronze]

Yeah iirc there's finite avatar bodies they just reform if broken

[tall phoenix]

👎

[severe trail]

Avatar bodies reform always yeah

Magically

[tall phoenix]

also we know what "finite" means in 40k boys, aka infinite

[celest heron]

Isnt one of the eldar gods in a 50s level abusive relationship with Nurgle

[tall phoenix]

Mfers be like "oh no our terminator squadron all got lost and we will never recover their armor"

next appearance they all got terminator armor again

[smoky bronze]

Yeah but like they can't make them if a craftworld has one they maybe have 3

[pale vigil]

I always viewed Tau as like, pure logic and functionally to 40k's ridiculousness. They're a grounding race

[severe trail]

Isha is literally in a cage

So no

[tall phoenix]

Isha and shes trapped in a 4channer basement

[severe trail]

She’s a prisoner

[tall phoenix]

Thats their concept yes

[severe trail]

Nurgle just showers her with his “love” read: plagues

Since she’s a life god

[pale vigil]

A prisoner who gets all the new plagues and then whispers cures into mortal dreams

[celest heron]

Was just thinking

[pale vigil]

Which Nurgle knows about

[celest heron]

plague eldar

[severe trail]

There’s some trees near her cage that are that

Technically

[viral juniper]

plague variants of pretty much any race exist afaik

[pale vigil]

They're the Eldar who tried saving her right?

[severe trail]

Yeah

[celest heron]

Plaguedar

[severe trail]

Spent too much time

In the garden got noticed

They should have left and tried again another time

lol

[pale vigil]

Honestly, props to them for getting that far into the warp

[celest heron]

just imagine drukhari vs daemonnetes and plaguedar

[pale vigil]

Slaanesh mustve been slacking that day

[severe trail]

They literally did everything they wanted before spotting isha 💀

They got greedy

[pale vigil]

Ah, so Slaanesh was just being sneaky about it

[tall phoenix]

Nurgle did it for the love of the slop game

[tall phoenix]

Slaanesh doesnt watch every eldar like a DM

[severe trail]

yeah

[celest heron]

most of the gods are in it for the love of the game

[tall phoenix]

its just that when they die their souls automatically go to him

[smoky bronze]

An eldar exhibiting hubris... wtf...

[celest heron]

except bnasically khorne

[pale vigil]

What were the goals tho beside, 'free the God of life'

[tall phoenix]

wdym "hubris" its their fucking deity lmao

[tall phoenix]

Free the god of life

what else

yall making it sound like its a dollarstore heist

[severe trail]

They were after knowledge on curing some shit + other stuff

lol

[smoky bronze]

I mean doing other stuff instead of rushing for isha lol

[severe trail]

and then they went to go free isha

that failed

💀

[tall phoenix]

yeah the moment isha is freed she'd d othat shit

[pale vigil]

????

[tall phoenix]

which well

she still does

[severe trail]

they didn't see Isha until the way out

lol

is why

[tall phoenix]

Its Isha's thing

[severe trail]

they saw Isha on the way out

[pale vigil]

Just free Isha and you have all the cures

[severe trail]

got greedy

They didn't see her

on the way in

[celest heron]

free isha and she gets nommed

by slaanesh

[severe trail]

free isha and you send her to the clown zone

[tall phoenix]

👎

[severe trail]

the best library

[pale vigil]

Nurgle beat him once

[smoky bronze]

Probably a classic chaos god prank i bet nurgle knew

[pale vigil]

Im sure he could do it again

[severe trail]

nurgle according to the out of universe narrator did not know

[celest heron]

yeah and you just let her escape his domain into the warp

[severe trail]

until the eldar spent too much time

so who knows

[celest heron]

either clown gets her or thirsty boy

[smoky bronze]

Using isha as bait to ruin the whole mission would be funny

[tall phoenix]

Not happening on Cegorach's watch

[pale vigil]

I always find it funny how the chaos gods are treated as omniscient but also capable of being surprised

[celest heron]

and I'm leaning on thirsty boi

[tall phoenix]

thats because they are basically cartoon villains

people who think they are big eldritch entities are kinda ill informed

[celest heron]

doesnt cegorach have to bargain for souls

[smoky bronze]

A WOODEN GUN!!!

[celest heron]

how tf is he gonna bargain for isha

[tall phoenix]

Nah, he just trolls slaanesh and yoinks them

[celest heron]

ah lol

[tall phoenix]

who the fuck "bargains" with slaanesh

lmao

[viral juniper]

stupid people

[celest heron]

idiots

[tall phoenix]

Mr Voremeister

[celest heron]

and horny people

[tall phoenix]

no

[pale vigil]

I reckon Slaanesh would just say, "Hey, give me Isha and I won't eat your souls when you die." And the DE would go for it lmao

Nurgle iunno, he ain't got much leverage

[tall phoenix]

They arent that stupid

DE are entirely aware of how much of a fuckwad Slaanesh is

why do you think they go to all the lenghts to avoid him

also they think Isha is a loser like most of the eldar pantheon so lol

[severe trail]

Cegorach only has to play with Slaanesh when its a solitaire soul

[celest heron]

ecept when they get cocky

[potent warren]

Thank god for DE medical technology

[severe trail]

The DE think the entire eldar pantheon are losers, but are terrified of the clowns

lol

[tall phoenix]

Unrelated. Not with gods either.

[smoky bronze]

There's not a way to actually bind a chaos god to an agreement the way you can a daemon afaik