#40k-book-club

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mental cobalt
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It's like wtf

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The disrespect

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Even nobledawn was gonna give him some great mausoleum remembrance

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Fuck this ethereal

kindred tendon
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Has anyone read the voidscarred book? Is it good?

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Ngl i heard there’s romance
And i love romance.

mental cobalt
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Yea, a drukhari and human fall in love

wind rover
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I see GW finally understands what the female audience actually wants.

tall phoenix
tall phoenix
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and yeah the corsair and craftworld protagonist have a yaoi romance but its handled pretty well, you know its good because it made a lot of people mad

wise yew
kindred tendon
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Tbh, if GW wants to spread the “warhammer is for everyone” thing then we’re going to need more gays.

hybrid turtle
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gw doesnt want to admit it but space marines in general are pretty gay

tall phoenix
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100%

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Also its funny that people complain because not once in this book is it ever paused to be like:

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"Oh wait arent you a guy? How can you like me?" its just played off naturally because it literally doesnt matter in any capacity lol

mental cobalt
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wholesome 😌

reef nacelle
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I don't think gender means much to the eldar, they seem to change whenever it suits lol

tall phoenix
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Yeah pretty much, tho Brooks has this for most of his characters in 40k.

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Like how some high-ranking administratum guy just randomly mentions that he has a husband. Bisexuality is a pretty common sci-fi trope

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i think this is the first time ever its been this upfront even tho again its never shoved in your face

kindred tendon
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I need him to make more books, one of the main reasons I enjoy AoS so much is the insane diversity it has.

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If 40k keeps this up ill be stuck in the middle

wind rover
tall phoenix
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So you can actually have different races working together to many extents for stories/books just like WHF, its very fun and unfortunately non-existant in 40k so it doesnt open as many windows.

patent gale
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Huh

mental cobalt
tall phoenix
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Luv me dwarves

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Luv me ogres

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Simple as.

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go back to your hovel

mental cobalt
wide mica
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We need another AoS book about humans fighting other humans

odd skiff
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They are the ones who made the blood angels gay

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And they made EC gay

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So I think they know

odd skiff
tall phoenix
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they just sometimes team up to fighter evil-ier people

odd skiff
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DOUBLED I said

tall phoenix
shy lark
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they should be self sabotagingly evil not team up evil

odd skiff
wise yew
odd skiff
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Sigmar should have a swirly chair and spin around and say “I have been expecting you”

odd skiff
tall phoenix
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No peace only war

last goblet
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Relentless by Richard Williams
Underrated and overlooked imo

wind rover
grim gate
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What would yall say is "wrong" with Phil Kelly as a writer? Because every time I see someone ask for T'au books everyone says "read Elemental Council, actively avoid anything written by Phil Kelly"

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When I hear excerpts from his books I really get a sense that he doesn't trust his readers to "get it" so everything is explained very directly

tall phoenix
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For example he made 3 books on Commander Farsight and we still know NOTHING about his character in any capacity, he just covers tau books like its a grocery list even though in his own words apparently he loves them as a faction lol

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in my humble opinion as a person who has read his books hes just an uncreative chump. Elemental Council has done what Kelly couldn't in the last 20 years in a matter of weeks.

odd skiff
flat crypt
drowsy urchin
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Damn you Abnett!! Listening to Anarch and I'm not even a third way through and you drop that bomb shell

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mellow knot
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Getting author copies of your new books is a thing that never gets old.

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spring shadow
mellow knot
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…well.

Fixed it for you.

spring shadow
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fuck, mb

mellow knot
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Yes, that's me.

tall phoenix
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👀

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(also the ultimate dream, tho id cringe trying to read my own stuff; and do honestly)

mellow knot
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Now that was a LOT of fun to write.

And I get that, I'm the same - I've very rarely re-read anything I've written.

tall phoenix
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Its like actors who cannot watch themselves in their own movies lol

mellow knot
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I think that after writing something, then going through various editing rounds, you reach a point of 'oh my god I never want to see this story again'.

hybrid turtle
wise yew
mellow knot
wise yew
mellow knot
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Spookily appropriate.

runic root
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I reread son of the forrest recently.... AND I WANT MORE

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I'm kirby but for Lion El Johnson content

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Give me contemplative, learning, forrest walking Lion El Johnson

And not the secretive, dense, selfrighteous brick wall from the heresy 🤢

forest spruce
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bro i need more lion in my life

runic root
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Yes. Same

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Rowboat gorillaglue got a bunch of books in lieu of being defrosted, but the lion ends his 10.000 year catnap (yes, pun intended), and gets one book and a few pages in a campaign book/codex....

I neeeeeeed mooooar

cerulean peak
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You WILL read about the vengeful Lion in the new scouring series 🙂

runic root
runic root
cerulean peak
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I'll have it faxed to the afterlife

runic root
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Thx mateKEKW_ogryn

shy lark
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Ok I finally finished Final Deployment. Some things aside I enjoyed it moderately well

drifting cargo
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I really don't understand all the nick kyme hate. I'm going through the salamanders omnibus rn and I'm loving it. Like I've heard people say his writing is dry, but I grew up reading massive Expository dumps and pages of description in Tolkien's work. So I really don't grasp what ppl are talking about.

drowsy urchin
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I only just now saw this

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I might need these

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but good luck getting the two earlier ones

tacit trail
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i didnt even know there were illustrated editions

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i need to see those

runic root
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Dilara, can i ask you a question regarding behavior from someone on this server? What i have experienced seems like violation of the rules but Id like to have reassurance that that asssumption is correct and not just me overreacting

wise yew
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Look as long as it's a legitimate compliance you can DM her about it

runic root
wise yew
tall phoenix
runic root
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Thx purityseal

smoky bronze
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The rule is don't dm the community managers anyway which is like, without that they'd get 100 dms a day asking "when patch" "when longlas" "when space marine" "space marine please"

tall phoenix
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lol yeah but we usually dont mind if its something actually important

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i think im the only mod who has DMs open kek

smoky bronze
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i thought CM was the fatshark people

tall phoenix
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They are.

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We the random bums are the mods

smoky bronze
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no rule against dming you... you are now subscribed to daily paragraphs from James Joyce's Finnegan's Wake

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now theres a book

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its... technically in english?

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Joyce scholars question the legitimacy of searching for a linear storyline within the complex text of Finnegans Wake

tall phoenix
rare holly
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if i want to start reading reading Warhammer which one should i start with

severe trail
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There’s some advice

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Ultimately pick a faction you like and go from there imo

rare holly
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thanks

digital ether
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Had a dream where I found a bunch of warhammer books that I didn’t have yet. Was great. Then I woke up. Sitgryn

tall phoenix
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Can just simplify this to "Was great. Then I woke up." and it can be about as worse

digital ether
tall phoenix
odd skiff
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30 k 40K or AOS?

eager bough
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hmmm is there no monthly book thing?

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book of the month*

odd skiff
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Not that I know of

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Audible give you a credit a month to get a book every month but other than that no

tall phoenix
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^

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Audible is very huge on Warhammer shit

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so its prob recommended

drowsy urchin
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I believe they were asking a monthly book club thing where we'd read the same book each month

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but no there hasn't been one like it in a couple years now

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the person who set them up isn't active here anymore

tall phoenix
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^

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tbh i prefer it like this anyway

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its neat lol

round lily
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Can someone help with some Dark Angels book order?
I want to soon enough start reading the Horus Heresy books, in which I want to read the HH era books relating to the Dark Angels. As such I want to know of the DA books that take place between The Flight of the Eisenstein and The Unremembed Empire.

So far I understand the order of books goes as follows:
• Descent of Angels (by Mitchel Scanlon)
• Lion El'Jonson: Lord of the First (by David Guymer)
• Fallen Angels (by Mike Lee)

Is this complete and correct or are there books I am unaware of?

odd skiff
odd skiff
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In order of timeline

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Lion lord of the first takes place roughly around the same time as fallen angels

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Master of the first takes place at the same time as the long night but for story continuity I put long night first

round lily
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Just from what I know isn't Prince of Crows a Night Lords book?

odd skiff
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Yes but the main enemy in it are the dark angels and its story is a continuation of savage weapons and a necessity for later lion vs curze books

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If you read savage weapons and skip Prince of crows you’ll have no clue what’s going on in the next DA book where the NL are the atagonist

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Same with the long night, it’s centred on Nightlords but an absolute necessity for the plot of further DA books

round lily
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Which of these books are full novels, novella and short stories? Because if a lot of them are short stories then I'll have to buy the appropriate anthologies as well.

odd skiff
round lily
odd skiff
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No probs mate you do have a couple after like Luther first of the fallen and the second cypher one but the ones in the list are the books from the start to just before the siege.

sick axle
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cant wait for the new releases man

tall phoenix
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Im waiting on em like crack

coarse minnow
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do any of the books/graphics novels have physical versions? like full blown paper backs and not comics

smoky bronze
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The books? Yes almost all of them
Graphic novels idk didn't know 40k had em lol

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The original ravenor omnibus is some of my favorite cover art

coarse minnow
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I was also looking at the eisenhorn Omni bus the damn print was too small I don’t got eyes for this lol

tall phoenix
smoky bronze
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oh yeah i didnt mean to imply something like that didnt exist i am not aware of all the 40k content

sick axle
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Im tryin to get ravenor on paper

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Really want to read the Salamanders omnibus too so I guess I'll just have to cave and use an E-Reader

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Definitely getting the new krieg book too though, and the ones that take place after 'krieg' by steve lyons on e book since those arent available anymore 🥲

runic root
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I dont think we'll ever get a graphic novel, especially not in the equivalent size of an omnibus or 200-300 page book that GW usually favors

cursive gazelle
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Are there any bad authors in HH series? I started buying the books in bits but just to know if there will be books that wont be as wow as others

tall phoenix
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avoid anything written by Nick Kyme

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his Salamander books are universally bad, theres like 7-8 of them lol

cursive gazelle
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Ow

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Any short summary what makes em bad

wise yew
# cursive gazelle Ow

by the way his works of salamanders are so bad he's attributed to ruining them story wise

tall phoenix
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Basically explores nothing about the Salamanders at all and is just generally boring bolterporn.

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aka mindless action with dull characters

cursive gazelle
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Ohh

wise yew
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Yeah basically that he's kind of known as a faction butcher

tall phoenix
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Yeah worst case just read some summaries if you are curious about the novels on reddit.

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most Heresy books are skippable but his are on the top of that list lol

cursive gazelle
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Are those Vulkan books or something? Ill go look BL

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Ive gotten HH 1-5, then some bits here and there as not many physicals atm. Also going for siege of terras and end and death 1-3

tall phoenix
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https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy_Series

Horus Heresy Series

The Horus Heresy is a series of novels, anthologies and audiobooks based on the historic events known as the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy, about 10,000 standard years before the present 41st millennium. The novels are written by different authors, but follow the same storyline - the fall of Warmaster Horus and his campaign of treachery to ...

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This is the full list of every single written thing for HH

cursive gazelle
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Ohhh no, those nice vulkan covered books are kyme… rip

tall phoenix
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Good news Vulkan has very good appearances outside of those

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Hes at the Siege and also present on Ultramar during the Imperium Secundus plotine etc

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Also highly suggest watching this video for which books you wanna pick up.

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Ian is brutally honest with the novels' qualities, dont believe people who say you gotta read like 30-40 books to get the entire Heresy, most of it is either one-offs or just unrelated plotlines that dont go anywhere.

cursive gazelle
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I was gonna pick em up all to get collection, so many books but warhammer is best. Dang sucks that theres garbage books made in the mix

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Pbs are just 10-12€/ea

tall phoenix
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Its essentially impossible for all of them to be good, especially when a great majority of these novels were just written for bloat/money.

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so if you wanna do that be my guest, its your money KEKW_ogryn

severe trail
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I’ve read them all

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Not worth it

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Do not recommend

tall phoenix
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LOL

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yeah I legit hate people who are like

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"You will miss a ton of context during the Siege"

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and like.... not really???

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lmao

severe trail
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There’s like

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Some stuff that’s mandatory reading I’d say

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Otherwise nah

tall phoenix
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Yeah the mandatory books id put at 10-15

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out of fucking 55

cursive gazelle
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Loool ok, ill get some more and I start check what to not get

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Btw does Fulgrim cover same as the larger Dropsite Massacre book?

tall phoenix
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Kinda, barely

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Heres the books that cover sections of it

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Fulgrim covers some portions of it but you dont fully see the whole thing.

cursive gazelle
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Ok thanks! I got still like 10-12 books to get until ive gotten all available physical copies. Then I have maybe 20 out of 64 books, this includes siege of terra

tall phoenix
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Yeah for collection sakes thats fine

cursive gazelle
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Ill prob get more selective once Ive gotten those. No salamander books on list thankfully

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I also got the aos omnibus that covers first books. Its actually ok even tho I first expected it to be garbage

tall phoenix
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AOS books are the same quality as any warhammer book

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Theres Peak, Great, Ok, Mid and Garbage

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always hinges on the author

cursive gazelle
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Ooh boi, well its good I dont have apparently any bad ones yet on shelf 😄

odd skiff
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Currently making my way through the mechanicum timeline and lowkey quite enjoying the mechanicum

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Dark Angel timeline was all peak

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IF timeline all peak

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Mainline hit and miss

odd skiff
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Would anyone like to see a leak from the new scouring book?

tall phoenix
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Boring, mid and bad.

odd skiff
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You betray me like this Dilara

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It was peak and you know it was

tall phoenix
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something-something uhhh betrayal never comes from the enemy

odd skiff
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Also here. I’m sure this will cause some drama when the book releases.

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digital ether
tall phoenix
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this character has like what, a 3 page appearance and people will go crazy

odd skiff
digital ether
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That’s the neat part, I didn’t try pal. thumbsup_ogryn

tall phoenix
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Also I love how her reaction when they ask how the Emperor is doing is just:

odd skiff
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Here guys here is mark 1 terminator armour which has always been here

tall phoenix
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😭

odd skiff
tall phoenix
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LMFAO

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probably none, they also complain that TC is "woke" since its creators said "we dont want nazis in our hobby"

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what a hostile IP smh my head

odd skiff
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I tried to look into trench crusade but I just can’t

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It’s like what

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There’s Jesus who has been cloned 19 times or something

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There crusaders but also apparently Nazis

tall phoenix
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Its a cool setting but it hasnt been around long enough tbh

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give it time

odd skiff
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I don’t know wtf this is about

tall phoenix
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the text is a bit crunchy where did you get it from

odd skiff
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I’m not on reddit I got it from another warhammer discord

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Apparently someone got an early copy

tall phoenix
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Oh yeah the german one

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the store has a shelf packed with the books

digital ether
# odd skiff It’s like what

Back in the first crusade, the templars took Jerusalem. They did some heretical ritual and unleashed the forces of hell. This started a centuries long war between the forces of god and hell. Or something like that if I’m remembering correctly.

tall phoenix
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the most realistic part of this is Templars ruining everything

digital ether
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And then you have the technology being in this weird fusion state between medieval armor / armaments, blessed / heretical weapons, WW1 artillery pieces and battle landscapes. Eldritch horrors from hell, One man army super soldiers powered by cloned Jesus #whatever’s blood that are sent on missions into Hell itself , and other neat things that damn you to hell if they kill you, or somehow inflict injuries that last into the afterlife.

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It’s pretty cool.

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I do find it funny that the lore references the “Pope Fight” of 1409 - 1417. Except this time the Anti-Pope in France works for the forces of Hell and has turned France into a plague infested ruin. KEKW_ogryn

tall phoenix
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LMAO

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Also realistic ngl

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holy men not be corrupt challenge: impossible

final adder
# odd skiff I don’t know wtf this is about

Essentially way back during the crusades some heretical templars did a ritual and unleashed the forces of satan on the world, and the religious forces of humanity have been fighting it ever since. The setting is currently in what would've been WW1's era and its trench warfare against demons and shit

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I'm not too knowledgeable on trench crusade so this is the bare bones summary of the setting

runic vessel
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Is Horus Rising a good book to start on?

tall phoenix
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The first 3 Heresy books are excellent yes

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anything written by Abnett generally is

runic vessel
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Thank you 😊

tall phoenix
tall phoenix
shy lark
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ok mr fehervari does cook a little
Quite strange, a few questionable things, but The Reverie was good

tall phoenix
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its because he mostly just does his own thing with 40k

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generally being confusing for the sake confusing, hes a BIG fan of making the Warp like this paranormal entity that effects the characters and plot, its very interesting

shy lark
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Anything paranormal/warp related was definitely the best part, it being confusing adds to it imho. The warp should be weird and wild
An apothecary saying a space marine having somewhat impaired judgement from being older despite being in like their second century was one of the oddities but it's a nitpick

drowsy urchin
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Finished the mainline Gaunt's Ghosts novels during my trip to GD, truly an excellent series and I'm a bit sad to see it go

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Might have to look into the Ghost Dossier series Dan started a couple years ago

severe trail
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All the dark coil stuff involving it is excellent

drowsy urchin
tall phoenix
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too confusing!

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get him outta here!!!

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WHERES MY BIG MONSTERS

drowsy urchin
tall phoenix
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AAA-

reef nacelle
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Fehevaris books would be a lot less confusing if I didn't have to constantly rewind to figure out when they changed scene KEKW_ogryn

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Absolutely no pause when the book switches characters

tall phoenix
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its not THAT bad

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you should see End and the Deaf where they switch characters every 2 chapters

drowsy urchin
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Just listen to audiobooks so you'll separate characters based on voice clueless

lofty thunder
cerulean peak
forest spruce
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I'm both those things and I finish plenty of books

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looks at fall of cadia which I still have not finished

mellow knot
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I had a first! My new novel comes with an ACTUAL
TRAILER

wise yew
mellow knot
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Check it out!

wise yew
hybrid turtle
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damnnnn

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thats sick

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congratulations!

mellow knot
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It’s so cool

uneven crane
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Fuck yeah, that's awesome!

atomic ether
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night lords omnibus, or eisenhorn and ravenor? having a hard time deciding which

tall phoenix
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One small issue

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All of those are very good

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Id probably say start with Night Lords since its entirely its own thing then just do Eisenhorn > Ravenor

atomic ether
tall phoenix
quaint canopy
atomic ether
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she’s quite a treasure

vast junco
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Dose anyone here know how to read?

tall phoenix
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I cant read, got a serious case of lumbago

vast junco
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That’s sucks

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Just eat some corpse startch

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It helps

tall phoenix
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Fr fr, its a very serious condition

vast junco
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Dog photo

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This is gorgeous

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His name is gorge

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And his head is bigger than my torso

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He is

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BIG BOY.

tall phoenix
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Hes the best boy thumbsup_ogryn

odd skiff
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Sevetar my king

vast junco
final adder
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New gsc short story just dropped pogryn

tall phoenix
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What is it

final adder
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I haven't read it yet so idk

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Will read it tonight

severe trail
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Moment

tall phoenix
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oh Fehervari

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yeet

final adder
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He's not good?

severe trail
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No he’s great

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You might feel like you’re getting lobtomized reading his stuff though bcs it’s always weird and creepy

shy lark
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don't trust these lies

severe trail
shy lark
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I've only read The Reverie, I'm just a hater

severe trail
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You’re going in the elevator

final adder
shy lark
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well shucks
My last message to the world, hate gsc always

final adder
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Weird and creepy is what they do best

final adder
real folio
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What are the good drukhari books

tall phoenix
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^

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Path of the Dark Eldar is prob the peakest example, id also recommend Lukas the Trickster which while advertised as a SM book its perfect split down the middle between a fun dark eldar/marine protagonist

real folio
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Yeah I looked at that list and it was under just aeldari so I dint know it it was an aeldari book featuring drukhari or if they were the protagonists. Thanks

tall phoenix
final adder
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Is Day of Ascension good?

smoky bronze
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Lukas is one of the few likeable marines too

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A rare breed

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He also canonically fuck(s/ed) but its unclear if hes kept siring children post marining

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I guess he must have they start marining them before sexual maturity

tall phoenix
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to quote the author Tchaikovsky himself

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It's a story of a monstrous sect of religious fanatics that consumes countless human lives solely to perpetuate its own predatory existence... ||vs the Genestealer Cults.||

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Absolutely worth a read for any proper 40k bookworm imo

final adder
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I'll pick it up at some point, ty

tall phoenix
final adder
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Pretty sure it was mentioned he had a relationship with another girl his age before he became a space marine

shy lark
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On a different note, the Night Lords in Remnant Blade are huge assholes I quite like it

tall phoenix
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I heard Remnant Blade was mid

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is this true staregryn

shy lark
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I've still got 20 chapters to go so I'm not sure but it seems mid-mildly enjoyable so far
It'll perpetually live in the shadow of ABDs trilogy though

tall phoenix
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No escape chadgryn

smoky bronze
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i thought space marine surgery started pre-puberty but i could be wrong

shy lark
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Sometimes in the teens it varies a bit

final adder
mellow knot
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It’s preferred pre-puberty - but there are, and have been, exceptions to the rule.

tall phoenix
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💀

tall phoenix
odd skiff
torn silo
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Has anybody here read Rynn's World and if so is it good?

mental cobalt
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Finished elemental Council and it was good. My only complaint was the structure, specifically how long some sentences ended up being

cerulean peak
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@mellow knot does your Twilight Imperium requires knowledge of the setting or is it a friendly read for someone unfamiliar with the setting?

mellow knot
cerulean peak
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Alright thanks thumbsup_ogryn

mellow knot
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Some of the TI races are brilliant. It’s a very lore rich game

atomic ether
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erebus is an absolute buttmunch

tall phoenix
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Erechad is the entire reason you have this setting, show the First Heretic some respect

atomic ether
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word bearers are pretty lit

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i quit painting minis unfortunately i’m gonna be the grey/primed guy

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idgaf i’m just not good enough nor do i wanna spend the time to get good enough at painting

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i gave away all my paints and brushes and miniature holders to my stepdad much to his dismay

final adder
atomic ether
celest heron
tall phoenix
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stop being mad loyalists

celest heron
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Idk he is a word bearer, not a word reader

tall phoenix
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yall cant even read

potent warren
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Erebus is 1. The reason we have 40k and 2. A great villain

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I love his short story where he's just sitting there gloating

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Word Bearers in general are preemo traitors

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Great aesthetic

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No nonsense about justifiable causes

celest heron
potent warren
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Yeah, the Imperium that bases a lot of it's identity off that funny religious book Lorgar wrote iirc

tall phoenix
potent warren
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Yk

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For it being The Horus Heresy

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They don't really have as many traitor perspectives as you'd think

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For it being called the Horus Heresy Horus ain't really a central character you can read and grasp the motivations of

tall phoenix
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I mean we do get some but its the same old shit

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"UAAAGH WOE IS ME"

potent warren
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Yeah, ig

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Idk i wish the HH was written with the modern scope in mind

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Instead of going "hey we should write 5 more books" like 12 times in to "yk maybe this will be a 70 odd book series"

tall phoenix
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Pretty much lol

reef nacelle
potent warren
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Its a genuine "fuck Erebus i hate him he ruined the imperium"

reef nacelle
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Yes

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Fuck that guy

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He's an asshole

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But he's so comically evil, it's great

tall phoenix
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cant believe he killed all those innocent space marines 😔

celest heron
odd skiff
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He just seems like one of them sneaky little dudes at work who will snitch on you and kiss your bosses ass.

odd skiff
odd skiff
tall phoenix
odd skiff
tall phoenix
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Lmfao literally

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that always makes me laugh but w/e lol

digital ether
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I had these with my sandwich today. They were depressingly not spicy.

Only Cadia could produce non spicy jalapeños, smh.

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Thank goodness Abbadon freed us from a grimdark future filled with non spicy peppers by destroying it. KEKW_ogryn

sonic walrus
valid jay
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Man I really hope void scarred gets a sequel because leaving a book that good on a cliffhanger is NOT okay

severe trail
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It was left on a cliffhanger as sequel bait

tall phoenix
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^

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it also wasnt really a cliffhanger tbh?

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was just "oh hey this person is also around"

runic root
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I hate open endings

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Give me my conclusion and satisfaction, damn you KEKW_ogryn KEKW_ogryn

valid jay
tall phoenix
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You do realise eldar got like top medical tech right

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this would be more problematic if they were some bum human pirates who dont have access to that kind of technology, or literal ships that just steer/move/shoot based on their brain and thoughts

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||Xela not dying in the Warp|| meanwhile is a classic post-credits thing, a lot of warhammer novels do it here and there, its not sequel bait.

runic root
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Couldnt sell a future modle If the character is dead....

obtuse talon
#

Are Legion book is supposed to have name Alpha legion? Havent started reading the book yet, just have this vibe from this name

tall phoenix
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they are literally on the cover so yes

shy lark
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ok i finished remnant blade, it's fine

tall phoenix
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yeah thats what i heard

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"its okay"

shy lark
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Didn't love it, didn't hate it. Some characters are a bit flat, believe it or not Lord Skintaker is not a very deep character. The techmarine side character was engaging though but most of the night lords are just night lords. At least they're not another bunch of renegades with hearts of gold

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There's some pretty cool descriptions of ||the interior of a black ship||

tall phoenix
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Yeah i think the best example of that is still that one Throne of Light book

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is there anything new?

shy lark
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Of the spoiler? I don't think so, || there's corridors that go in circles and loop back on themselves made with self repairing materials, descriptions of holding cells for psykers with standing water in them, descriptions of cogs and pistons to create endless mazes within the black ship. Some cool descriptions of the prisoners sitting shackled to the ground wearing metal hoods||

tall phoenix
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Yeah sounds about right

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what about the plot, any mcguffins? Does everyone get killed in the ending again?

shy lark
#

||I'm a little annoyed that the sisters of silence show up, get described as very cool, then do nothing and die. It's very funny that the Sisters of Battle are also there but decide to throw fanatics at the night lords and fuck off to do something better and more productive. There's a mcguffin that the techmarine side character makes to find the black ship but it's kind of whatever. In the end, Lord Skintaker basically gets everything he wants, a bit of revenge, a black ship and a lot of potential recruits. Sets out to murder, terrorize, and enslave in the Imperium. ||

tall phoenix
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||Lmao SoS get that treatment in literally everything, depressing as fuck 💀 ||

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But yeah sounds like a happy ending i guess, thats good for once lol

shy lark
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Lord Skintaker is funny in how much of a shithead he is, if Mike Vincent improves a little it'd be fun to see more of

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It's a fine first full novel, not a must read unless you're a night lord fanatic but still

cerulean peak
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Is Lord Skintaker his actual name?

tall phoenix
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yes lmao

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😭

shy lark
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Dalchian Rassaq, the lord skintaker

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very cool guy

cerulean peak
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Dreadful

tall phoenix
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Dreadtaker

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Dreadlord

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Skinpeeler

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aauguh THESE NAMES

torn silo
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It's fine, it's part of his culture KEKW_ogryn

cerulean peak
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Can you blame him for his upbringing?

potent warren
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You should see how they refer to war lmfao

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"The stalk, the hunt, the kill" or something for the different phases of battle plans

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Having dudes running around named "the flaymaster" on the reg

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They're so edgy they make Carcharodons seem kind of normal

cerulean peak
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Yea i'm almost done with the NL omnibus and what a ride

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Nightlords are the edgelords of the csm

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The word bearers are close behind

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Huron was portrayed very differently than his Mike Brooks version. I'll need to read the Gildar Rift to go full circle

smoky bronze
tall phoenix
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its weird because so many occupational names have become normalized in our era lol

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Mason, Woodman, Baker, Smith, etc

mellow knot
tall phoenix
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😭

severe trail
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The mikes brooks version of Huron is so ass everything after it has ignored it

tall phoenix
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oh my god

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SHUT UP

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ABOUT HURON

wise yew
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HIT THE DECK DILARA IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE

severe trail
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Hurons awesome

tall phoenix
severe trail
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No

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Gildar rift is peak

tall phoenix
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Gildar Mid

severe trail
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Also hollow worlds

severe trail
tall phoenix
cerulean peak
tall phoenix
cerulean peak
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Abaddon has a hair squig

mellow knot
odd skiff
severe trail
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Therfore he’s better

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Also he caused Badab

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So based

odd skiff
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Oh you mean other Huron

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I thought you meant Huron fal

severe trail
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Huron blackheart

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Yes

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Who the fuck is Huron fal

odd skiff
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The fucking goat

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Deathguard dreadnought

severe trail
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Idk

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lol

digital ether
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Me whenever I re-read that passage in “The Flight of the Eisenstein”

reef nacelle
severe trail
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Tbh

reef nacelle
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He's wildly different in the Night Lords Omnibus too

strange jay
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Hi! Huge Astra Militarum fan. I'm taking a break from the gaunts ghosts books and finished the first three krieg books minus the short story.

Steel Tread enjoyer also.

Any recommendations for someone looking for a new Guard audio book to listen to while I work?

tall phoenix
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Minka Lensk’s series’ are some good ones i think 🤔

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Fall of Cadia as well though while mainly a Guard book has tons of POVs

severe trail
strange jay
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Great advice - would it be an idea to start with Fall of Cadia then listen to the Minka books after?

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I have only experienced 40k through the perspective of the guard so far so I'm wondering if it would be a good starting point to see those other POVs

atomic ether
strange jay
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Thanks all. I'll get started on Fall of Cadia now c:

atomic ether
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of course! enjoy, i had a lot of fun with that book

cerulean peak
# reef nacelle He's wildly different in the Night Lords Omnibus too

ADB wrote him greatly with all the mechanical shit happening in his body
I can't recall how he was in the books/novella where Honsou meets him at the tournament thing (it's been a while since my read)
Brooks wrote him terribly; master of the maelstrom was a snoozefest
I have yet to read Gildar Rift but I look forward reading it.

mellow knot
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Well, I hope you enjoy 🙂

static star
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Has anyone read Steel Daemon by Ian St. Martin and if so how is it

valid jay
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Are there any books about strinking scorpions?

cerulean peak
wide mica
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Does GW normally double release short stories like this because that's Death and Duty on the left and No Peace Among Stars on the right

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and Last Pysker, Exterminator and Those Without Mercy are in both

tall phoenix
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Yeah they do

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its mostly for people that wanna consume a lot of stuff at once in anthologies so sometimes the same story can get tossed in a few for first-time readers

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its why im glad they atleast put in a list so you can check it yourself

wide mica
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Just seems odd to see the same story in different anthologies releasing at the same time

tall phoenix
#

lap it up now!!!

wide mica
tall phoenix
wide mica
hybrid turtle
odd skiff
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Yall see the new streamlined Horus heresy book?

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That contains most likely the 10 original plan HH books

runic root
#

So apparently Titus is now officially Captain of the second comapany again and tasked with overseeing the retaking the 500 worlds. (That that was planned we can read in the first of the dark empire books btw).

I wonder when we'll see him in a novel and who'll get to write them

Who writes the best ultra marines tho? Guy Haley?

drowsy urchin
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Graham McNeill used to write the Uriel Ventris books

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but Guy Haley has been writing more of them lately with the Dark Imperium stuff at least

wide mica
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Probably won't see it in a novel, the events will be outlied and described in the Campaign books for the 500 worlds event

tall phoenix
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^

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And likely Space Marine 3 later down the line

drowsy urchin
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Also Acheran better be a dreadnought now

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been a while since we had a named dreadnought

forest spruce
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More named dreadys

odd skiff
runic root
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Huh

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Given how he is written in Video games its gonna be difficult to write him convincingly in novels without giving him old cato sicarius level main character energy/plotarmor and thus making him a boring over powered Mary sue.

tall phoenix
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He’s literally already a boring overpowered Mary Sue lmao

forest spruce
#

Dilara me and yous about to throw hands

wise yew
forest spruce
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I mean probably but that's not the point

tall phoenix
runic root
tall phoenix
runic root
#

Yeah but his succes is yours because you play him thus compensating at least a little for the way they wrote him. You have at least the illusion of controll.

In written media youre completley at the mercy of the writer.

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He is already set up as that really stoic, unflinching, unwavering, inhuman demigod super soldier thats unreasonably chaos corruption resistant.

I wonder how you could write him relatably and well without contradicting the existing lore.

Maybe he should lose a couple of battles and face some sort of inner crisis.

reef nacelle
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Sure, he's a named, helmetless ultramarine who's resistant to chaos. But he does get accused of heresy everytime he does anything so it's fine KEKW_ogryn

severe trail
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lol

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The imperium has not had a good time in any of these campaign books since the launch of 8e

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lol

runic root
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It's funny how the Imperium always gets some sort of (albeit sometimes bitter or phyrric) Victory in novels (because the plot/reader demandeth) but the get beat the breaks off of them in codices and campaignbooks KEKW_ogryn KEKW_ogryn

severe trail
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honestly at this point

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I actually want them to win 1 campaign book

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not because I want them to win

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but just so its less comical

dreamy ledge
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Titus glazers are crazy…

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Especially when they complain about any other named character

severe trail
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Empereors children as well lul

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but yeah

dreamy ledge
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WHOOPS SORRY THOGUHT THIS WAS LORE CHAT LOL

severe trail
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LOL

dreamy ledge
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Let me repaste it

odd skiff
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Such shall be the duty of the Dark Angels or whatever it was Jonson said

runic root
#

Would be hilarious If out of all forces it would be the lion to reclaim the 500 worlds..
Especially when you recall the unremembered Empire .....

severe trail
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Lions in the ass and of nihlus rn

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Tbh

drowsy urchin
#

Given how these edition end events usually somehow involve all the factions I wouldn't be surprised if this is the storyline where they somehow get him to pacificus

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Titus meets him and is annoyed that all the primarchs are stubborn creatures

severe trail
#

This is psychic awakening style

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So the other books are gona be disconnected

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I’m 100% sure based on how GW has setup the reveals

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and the books

drowsy urchin
#

Aren't they all set in the 500 worlds

severe trail
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No

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If leaks are true

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But those could be fake

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The 500 worlds is a set of campaign books released all at once like the psychic awakening ones

runic root
runic root
# drowsy urchin Aren't they all set in the 500 worlds

No. As far as i am aware, there are secessionists on the fringes that need to be taken care of (see first book of dark empire), there is a tyranid hivefleet from one side, necrons on another and i dont know If the word bearer/iron Warrior and death guard intrusions have been completley dealt with yet.

And i wouldnt be surprised If even the orks are still fucking around somewhere in the Ultima segementum

drowsy urchin
#

but why is it called 500 worlds then and why is Titus talking about reclaiming them

cerulean peak
#

they're probably just setting the stage for the first book and (eventually) SM3 or a possible expansion for SM2

runic root
#

500 worlds is the (old) name of the ultramar Empire before or on the onset of the great crusade. And the primarch wants all of them brought back into the fold, some got lost to Chaos, xenos or seccesion.

The quest to reconquer all of those is what Titus is tasked with

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It's not even new lore

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You can read about it in the first book of dark empire

drowsy urchin
#

I know all that, but I was thinking the end event campaign will take place in the 500 worlds, which was my original question

severe trail
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Because those books are on the 500 worlds

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It’s like psychic awakening

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Where it’ll change each time

tall phoenix
#

Also very likely be left in limbo for a few years like most Warzones

severe trail
#

If the leaks are true it’s

||maelstrom corsairs vs corsairs, eye of terror for csm stuff and Armageddon for something||

cerulean peak
#

I've finished the night lords trilogy 🫡

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Truly misunderstood men

sonic walrus
fringe thorn
#

holy shit that's a hard looking depiction of a night lord

severe trail
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its the arms that do it tbh

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The way they're like

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laid out

odd skiff
lethal cloak
#

stop lying its from Trench Crusade

dreamy ledge
#

Hey what’s the bad hurron black heart book called again

cerulean peak
#

Master of the maelstrom?

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(It's not bad.... just average)

severe trail
kindred tendon
atomic ether
drowsy urchin
#

Finished Eisenhorn Xenos again, the last time was like 8 years ago and I didn't remember how little the first book has going for it

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my old opinion of "the inquisitor saga gets better with each subsequent entry" seems to hold true

autumn willow
#

damn ||Vostroyan and Krieg team up||

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loregryn loregryn loregryn loregryn
||Vostroyan|| content in 2025 is fun

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still chapter 2 for the Audiobook

craggy sphinx
#

hey where would be a decent place to start for a new comer to the black library books i know the basic lore for 40k so far im wondering if i should pick up gaunts ghost or if there is something with a psyker as the main character id like to read that

drowsy urchin
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Eisenhorn

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also pinned messages has a nice list for starters

craggy sphinx
drowsy urchin
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it's quite good

craggy sphinx
drowsy urchin
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Hell yeah

craggy sphinx
craggy sphinx
#

eisenhorn talks about radical inquisitors and im like "hell yea they can kickflip"

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rose pagoda
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anyone here read the horror books

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I quite enjoy them

tall phoenix
#

they are very fun

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ironically one of the few 40k material that actually explores the grittier parts of the setting imo lol

celest heron
autumn willow
#

I read the lion book and Arks of Omen. Does the lion have any plot threads left barring protecting his vassal world and helping dante?

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I can't wrap my head around which plot line will the lion be next because king arts games leaked their WIP Cutscene for ||Dawn of War IV with the lion being active on Kronus||.

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Will it be generic ||We must hunt down chaos or protect Imperial Worlds|| or GW will have some big plans ||for lion post Dawn of War IV||?

odd skiff
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He has been spotted visiting several of his successors and the number of fallen rejoining the legion has risen pun not intended

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If I was to make a guess he will continue to find the fallen and redeem the non chaos corrupted, kill the corrupted, then at some point begin making his way to Terra once his legion is one again.

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I’ve not seen any cutscene about DOW4 but I did see the leaked code which says “lion” but it could very well just be a lion tank.

lethal cloak
#

hot take : GW can't come up with new plot for the Lion that doesn't force the narrative in a positive way, so they put the Blood Ravens in his path in DoW4 so they eventually and unavoidably steal him as their Primarch.

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effectively freezing his development for as long as they want to/jk

autumn willow
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@odd skiff theres an article

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its a dev interview and they forgot to censor the WIP Cutscenes

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they had literal computer screens with ||The Lion, WIP Cutscenes and Animations||

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let me get it

drowsy urchin
#

Lion was only seen in text, no?

autumn willow
odd skiff
autumn willow
drowsy urchin
#

yeah it's not really a solid confirmation he'll appear in the game

autumn willow
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heres some example

odd skiff
# autumn willow

Well based on his known current objectives I’d say we’re either getting fallen angels in dow4, a daemon primarch or some sort of large daemon incursion.

odd skiff
autumn willow
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also thanks for the info

lethal cloak
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or the Blood Ravens reveal a horrible secret that brings Asmodai on then to repent

drowsy urchin
#

wdym a lion tank

odd skiff
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They named tanks after some Primarchs

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Like the leman Russ and the Rogal dorn

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Another was the lion

drowsy urchin
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well yes but that's a Repulsor Executioner

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there's no tank named The Lion at the moment

odd skiff
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My bad I got mixed up with the lion of macarius and the lion of pardua

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So many lions

lethal cloak
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There is a Baneblade called The Lion of Macharius, but yeah no tank model called the Lion

odd skiff
lethal cloak
#

although it would be a funny redherring

odd skiff
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Jkjk

drowsy urchin
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I wouldn't be surprised if the cutscene is just named after the Lion because it involves his legion

lethal cloak
#

plz be true, the tears of the DA fans will rehydrate the jerky I have instead of a heart

lethal cloak
odd skiff
lethal cloak
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Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment,
-DoW Librarian

drowsy urchin
#

He stole that from Homer Simpson

odd skiff
#

All the blood ravens need is cypher to turn up and steal the show

lethal cloak
odd skiff
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Imagine being the main character for like three games and then this mf shows up

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lethal cloak
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3 games? what 3 games? There have only been 2 DoWs. Don't make me call Asmodai on you.

autumn willow
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that would be very funny

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Cyrus adopting some random Dark Angel and the ending is just The Lion slapping you for letting Cypher trick them

odd skiff
smoky bronze
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I love cypher because im pretty sure no one ever decided what his deal actually was

tall phoenix
#

They have tbh

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hes literally a loyalist as per his own book

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its just that hes just Ethan Hunt lol

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aka constantly goes rogue and everyone wants him dead

smoky bronze
#

When did he get a book also lame

tall phoenix
#

Yeah its very obvious hes out to help the Imperium, he doesnt do enough supervillain shit to really be considered a chaos marine even if hes still in their codex (idk i didnt check)

tall phoenix
smoky bronze
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There was a long time everywhere he was just some mystery guy iirc and how he ended up gives me "ok we finally have to write something" vibes

tall phoenix
#

your first mistake was thinking GW would ever do a rogue/renegade marine lol

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you're either Chaos or Imperium

smoky bronze
#

They should have just never explained him

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That would be the funniest move

tall phoenix
#

We always knew he was going to Terra for some goofy reason so it was always gonna be revealed eventually

tall phoenix
#

you should read his book, its not that long and its fucking hilarious

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hes SUCH an edgelord

smoky bronze
#

I might

tall phoenix
#

his entire escape from the Black Cells is hysterical

smoky bronze
tall phoenix
#

same with a small company of dark angels going into terra to hunt him down

tall phoenix
smoky bronze
#

I see hes the leader of the loyalist rebel dark angels, you know as you write factions

tall phoenix
#

I do yeah.

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Anyway explode

smoky bronze
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Which i also liked better when he was just some solo operator lol

tall phoenix
#

Hes a lame character that was always and will alwys be lame and thats fine.

smoky bronze
#

Gw seems intent on stamping out any weird or interesting characters in the least interesting ways possible

tall phoenix
#

literally cypher btw

smoky bronze
#

I'd argue he wasn't even enough of a character to be lame lol

tall phoenix
smoky bronze
#

He was like a weird footnote

tall phoenix
smoky bronze
#

Im still salty about O.P. the perpetual

tall phoenix
#

who?

celest heron
#

The second oldest eternal

smoky bronze
#

Most of them have just been left to rot in older lore and not actively been talked about

tall phoenix
#

WHO

celest heron
smoky bronze
tall phoenix
tall phoenix
celest heron
tall phoenix
celest heron
smoky bronze
#

I liked the original story before they took him on the time bandits adventure

celest heron
#

Did I stutter

tall phoenix
#

its fine

smoky bronze
tall phoenix
#

to quote one of my favorite GTA San Andreas NPCs

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"Life is a bitch. And then we die."

forest spruce
tall phoenix
#

🙏

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but yeah perpetuals suck balls

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thanks Abnett

smoky bronze
#

A wise man once said "life's short and hard, like a bodybuilding elf"

celest heron
#

Edna mode and Olly Osbourne ruined my heresy

shy lark
#

The Cypher book is genuinely funny and has markedly improved my opinion of Cypher

autumn willow
#

anyone got the new RPG Books from wrath and glory?

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Do they kept Tempestus Scions for starter books?

forest spruce
smoky bronze
#

Gws strategy of pruning the lore by just ignoring things is always really fun to me

forest spruce
#

Just like they forgot sos

autumn willow
#

Or Like Only war expansions?

tall phoenix
smoky bronze
#

They're not gonna retcon things they'll just not talk about them for 30 years and hope everyone forgets

tall phoenix
#

Thats how 40k lore works so stop whining

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🗣️

smoky bronze
#

I said its fun!

tall phoenix
#

banned!

tall phoenix
#

reading the new Scouring book rn

#

theres a scene where one of the SoS' is asking one of the slop Imperial Fists characters what will happen now post-siege

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and shes like

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"Will people forget us?"

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and hes all

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"Nah you and your efforts will never be forgotten"

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LMAO

forest spruce
#

Nooooo

tall phoenix
#

I legit laughed

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its such a mean spirited bit

forest spruce
#

Why must you hurt me gw

tall phoenix
#

Women = Bad 😔

forest spruce
#

Id the scouting good?

smoky bronze
#

"Just ignore it" is a peak strategy for old lore you don't want to deal with
Don't explain it away, don't retcon it, just ghost it

autumn willow
#

Expensive to maintane and more mechanics?

tall phoenix
#

hold on lemme get the summary post

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Incase you're curious or something

autumn willow
#

Oh

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Its out

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Fuck

tall phoenix
#

Dumb-dumb

autumn willow
#

i thought its nov 25?

forest spruce
#

Probably gonna read tomb world then kraken blood

autumn willow
#

or dec 2?

forest spruce
#

Then maybe ashes

tall phoenix
#

I think its definitely good

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the actual slop books will prob come later lmao

forest spruce
#

You think we'll get full books about the primarchs disappearing

tall phoenix
#

Yes.

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This is very much the new HH series

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they'll likely be milking it for the next 15+ years or so

celest heron
#

Dorn leaving his magic pain glove hand behind

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So his sones can carve their names into it like a teenage couple into a tree

drowsy urchin
#

how come people already have spoiler reviews of it, it's out in like three weeks

tall phoenix
#

Lmao its very funny

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the guy's german, his store had an entire shelf of the book released early, he shared a picture of it awhile ago.

drowsy urchin
#

guh

tall phoenix
#

hahaha losers

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anyway yeah i got a epub from a source, i wasnt aware it wasnt out yet whoops

drowsy urchin
#

I'd reckon he's gonna get some bad words from GW

tall phoenix
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Nah this happens a lot

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they usually dont care because its not really something you can stamp out

drowsy urchin
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not in that scale and in proper stores really

tall phoenix
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Yeah really

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stop being gay, NOW

drowsy urchin
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ok homophobe

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smh

tall phoenix
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hold this for me

drowsy urchin
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your lesbo brick

tall phoenix
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yeah, im gonna kill you with it

drowsy urchin
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but talking about getting early copies of things, I got to buy Halo 4 collectors edition like 2 weeks before it was released from a local gaming store because I knew the owner, lots of international friends were really jealous but I got banned in the game until the year 9999

tall phoenix
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Halo 4

drowsy urchin
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||although they took it back when I told them I bought the game legally||

tall phoenix
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ngl i mglad you got banned

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absolute blessing

drowsy urchin
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they revoked the ban I mean

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before the proper release date

tall phoenix
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aw man

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that sucks

drowsy urchin
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nu uh

forest spruce
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Woooow dilara for shame

tall phoenix
forest spruce
final adder
forest spruce
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I got Neapolitan ice cream sandwichs

woven chasm
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So there's a 2 for 1 on audible atm and I'm debating what to get alongside the first Eisenhorn (book 1). Deciding between Soulhunter (book 1) or Dark Imperium (book 1).

odd skiff
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@tall phoenix his imperial fist

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final adder
vale wren
celest heron
frigid osprey
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hahahaha

fringe thorn
final turret
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Fucking echoes of eternity

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Blood mathematics

craggy sphinx
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just realised where i put these

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wrong place

vale wren
trail ravine
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Which book should I begin with for 999m41 indomitus stuff?

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The blood angels books?

tall phoenix
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Uhhh

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damn thats a loaded question, hols on i gotta google staregryn

trail ravine
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I looked up the plague war books but the description says they begin when the indomitus crusade is already started

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I'm looking for the stuff leading into that

tall phoenix
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  • The Carrion Throne (Vaults of Terra)
  • Fall of Cadia
  • The Hollow Mountain (VoT)
  • The Emperors Legion (Watchers of the Throne)
  • The Lords of Silence (Death - Guard solo novel)
  • Avenging Son
  • Knights of Macragge
  • The Gate of Bones
  • The Regents Shadow (Watchers)
  • Ephrael Stern: The Heretic Saint
  • Wolftime
  • The Dark City (VoT)
  • Throne of Light
  • Iron Kingdom
  • Martyrs Tomb
  • Sea of Souls
  • Indomitus
  • Hand of Abbadon
  • Huron Blackheart: Master of the Maelstrom
  • Silent King
  • Dark Imperium
  • Plague Wars
  • Godblight
  • Belisarius Cawl: The Great work
  • Genefather
  • Devastation of Baal
  • Lion: Son of The Forest
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The Devastation of Baal occurs both near the start and the end of this list, due to timey-wimey shenanigans brought about by the formation of the Great Rift.

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Ok. Would you recommend I start with them? I am interested in the devastation of baal and the tyranid wars

tall phoenix
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Baal is a good point to start yeah, it just gets confusing because Plague Wars were THE first proper books for Indomitus then they completely retconned them to take place at the end of all this shit

trail ravine
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Oh lol

tall phoenix
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yeah lmao

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they legit went "oh we fucked up"

trail ravine
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Alrighty I will start with baal. Thanks

tall phoenix
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🫡

final adder
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Baal was the first 40k novel I wanted to read but unfortunately its an old book and they don't sell it in physical stores anymore

tall phoenix
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based

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no more ebooks

forest spruce
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i recommend reading fall of cadia then watcher of the throne

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vaults of terra is not great

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also dont read most of dawn of fire

odd skiff
trail ravine
vale wren
final adder
forest spruce
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i highly recoomend you find time for fall

final turret
fiery token
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Fall of Cadia is a really good read, probably my favourite of the more recent BL novels. It really makes me wish they'd published it earlier though

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Because if that had actually come out at the same time as 8th edition that would've basically saved the narrative

tall phoenix
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this novel does the impossible of having like over 10 different POVs and making almost each of them extremely good and fun

fiery token
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Unironically I think its the way 40k novels should go when covering big dramatic battles

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You've got a wide range of perspectives all covering different aspects of the battle, it goes through chronologically in phases and ties it all up nicely

tall phoenix
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^

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Everyone from the bosses of the chaos and imperial side to the average joes on the ground is done extremely well.

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I usually hate POV jumping constantly but this novel does a stellar job of it, Rath was great with it

fiery token
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Yeah I mean if the book was titled something like "LORD CASTELLAN: FALL OF CADIA" you'd expect it to fully focus on Creed and be like a more character-focused thing, but because it keeps to the framing of covering Cadia as an event the POV switching isn't nearly as jarring imo

tall phoenix
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Yeah covering all sides of it adds a lot to the novel, its very funny how we got a novel covering Cadia this well this late into the Indomitus timezone lol

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having read Cadia Stands myself which was the sole novel covering the event before this i hope no one ever reads it 💀

odd skiff
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Would you say fall of Cadia is a good first 40K book

fiery token
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Ngl I've never even heard of it KEKW_ogryn but it sounds generic af

fiery token
final turret
fiery token
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Like to get your foot in the door I'd recommend a space marine novel or Gaunts Ghosts or something

hybrid turtle
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Itd be probably a bit much for a newcomer bc of all the different characters

fiery token
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^

odd skiff
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I mean I’ve read most of HH I just mean actual 40K in terms of timeline

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I’ve been going chronologically so I started with unification wars and now I’m at siege of terra

hybrid turtle
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Oh i think youd be fine in that case

tall phoenix
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you'd need to have lexi on hand

hybrid turtle
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Theres like 5 chaos chapters, 3 loyalists, the admech, necrons, big characters like cawl abbaddon and trazyn

tall phoenix
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Lmao yeah you'd have no idea what the fuck is even happening

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especially the events surrounding the attack on Cadia itself

hybrid turtle
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And the significance of it

tall phoenix
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YEP

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I had people who look at it from the outside and say "why is this so important"

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💀

hybrid turtle
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Good book though, i liked the human chaos saboteur

fiery token
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My favourite was the 24th chapters. That original commander guy single-handedly changed my perspective on Cadians forever lol

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Some line about going to another planet, seeing children play in the street and not knowing "they did that" lol

tall phoenix
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Its funny considering thats like a really deluded way to think about what the Guard actually does too

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i never really got into those chapters but at least its good if it makes people feel emotional

fiery token
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Well it just immediately made me realise "Holy shit being a cadian would suck"

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You're basically trained from birth to be a meat-robot that shoots things

tall phoenix
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Well yeah you're a child soldier from birth

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White Shields my beloved

lethal cloak
tall phoenix
fiery token
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And then theres Servantus Glave KEKW_ogryn

tall phoenix
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Who

fiery token
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That Kasrkin dude who spends the entire novel saying "I'm gonna take out the Despoiler"

tall phoenix
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Oh that guy lmao

fiery token
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🗣️

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tall phoenix
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yeah i barely remember anyones name from this minus maybe Morkarth because she sounds like Morkate

lethal cloak
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lol, sounds like he missed his calling joining the Blood Angels and Death Company,

odd skiff
fiery token
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Literally

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"Woah... The Emperor needs me?"

hybrid turtle
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Oh yeah he def had a bit of an ego trip

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Also when he was like “i killed like 10 astartes so far, people might it took my whole company but i know it was because of me”

severe trail
severe trail
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harrowmaster sequal leak

tall phoenix
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LETS GOOOOOO

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Cover is pretty mid but still

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goofy ahh proportions

digital ether
# severe trail

Funnily enough, I finished reading Harrowmaster yesterday. KEKW_ogryn

cerulean peak