40k-book-club

[tall phoenix]

2 bad hiccups doesnt really blacklist you from a studio

(Ward has also written a great majority of the dialogue, lore and other stuff for Vermintide 1, Vermintide 2 and DT)

[runic root]

Huh. Didnt know all that. Only knew how part of the community absolutely hated him for the ultramarines fanservice including a very dense Cato SICCARIUS

[tall phoenix]

Thats a very tired old meme at this point.

its older than most of the users on this server

[runic root]

The Internet never forgets/forgives....🤷

[severe trail]

STORMCAST ETERNAL RETRIBUTORS™️ IN THEIR THUNDER STRIKE ARMOR™️

[runic root]

Sounds like an Advertisement

[wide mica]

Yea, it does at times

[severe trail]

That was the joke I was making

[severe trail]

There’s no fucking way they mention a stormcast unit by name and then talk about thunderstrike armor right. Right?

[wide mica]

Oh I thought you were quoting the book

[severe trail]

Oh

No, I wasn’t

I was just referencing how GW does their awful product placement sometimes

[wide mica]

Can't find the page but there is definitely a moment where it talks about the Stormcast Eternals in their thunder strike armour, don't think it mentions Retributors though

[tall phoenix]

try CTRL + F

unless its a physical book

[wide mica]

It is a physical book

Alas I cannot CTRL+F on my limited edition signed copy of the book

[severe trail]

Oh my ducking god

There’s no way I actually hit the nail

[wide mica]

Yea, I genuinely thought you were direct quoting from the book

[simple cloud]

Only in Death real damn good so far

[round vessel]

Watch where you driving 😄

[frigid osprey]

Mat Ward directs all the voice actors in Darktide and writes their dialogue, hes absolutely crushing it tbh

[simple cloud]

Si

[celest heron]

And the grey knights thing

But a lot of the other authors have "quirks" too its just gw decided to throw matt under the bus

[tall phoenix]

The moment they designated him at the front of the codex as the MAIN WRITER (even though there was other people also involved) yeah he was screwed lol

[celest heron]

Now this will never stop me from calling the grey knights armor "wardian power armor"

[runic root]

The character dialogue is indeed fire. Funniest shit sometimes

[severe trail]

also turning what was supposed to be Codex: Ultramarines into Codex Space marines LOL

[mellow knot]

I mean

Not all of it.

[tall phoenix]

(a great majority is a better word)

[mellow knot]

S’OK, I’m at peace with being the Forgotten One 😄

[tall phoenix]

The game had like 8 writers

😭

[severe trail]

everyone forgets

[simple cloud]

<heavy breathing>

[tall phoenix]

21st

[simple cloud]

Oh no

This one uses cutting edge digital enhancement

Every time you think you’ve finished it it adds 20 extra pages

Each more boring than the last

[tall phoenix]

Kyme really needs to stick to just editing

[safe plover]

WRONG

sounds like you really want another 900 page yappathon

y-yes dan you can write several B/C/D/E/F storylines that you dont finish just please finish the fucking book without a 5th volume

[simple cloud]

Bro is mad that a book has words

I got just the thing 4 u

[forest spruce]

Can't wait to see a child get atomized

[safe plover]

you ALL said the end and the death was too long

but when I say it.... smh

i feel like im the grandchild of a sumarian naysayer yall have some intrinsic need to disagree with me

[severe trail]

this does in fact happen multiple times apparently

[runic root]

Clad be like:

[safe plover]

more like this

[uneven spoke]

real

[deft bramble]

is this thing even good?

is it like

kid tales

no?

[simple cloud]

It’s reading level: Clad

[runic root]

Troll version: Print one exactly like the orginal but replace half the words with latin/french/arab loanwords and watch his head explode.

Next time he orders a book from abnett or a.d. Bowden Black library should just troll him and send him a dictionary with his book order in the mail

[mental cobalt]

paperback on same day or do we have to wait

[simple cloud]

Order same day? Or buy if you’re somewhere w stock??

[severe fiber]

Why does 40k have children books

[tall phoenix]

Money.

[safe plover]

warhammer has some old ass fans

[severe fiber]

Is 40k even a child friendly setting

What kinda child friendly story can you tell

[sonic walrus]

I enjoyed all the Vulkan books.

[tall phoenix]

I mean no but its still sold to kids

I think you forget kids love violent shit lol

[severe fiber]

[finite frigate]

shonen is famously not violent at all

[fringe thorn]

The writing of Warhammer Adventures is at Percy Jackson-level of maturity from what I understand of learning the reviews. There is (implied) death and fatal moments, but not "everything has turned to shit there is nothing we can do" mindset.

[severe fiber]

No everything turns to shit moments in a 40k story?

Crazy

[sonic walrus]

The best part about the Warhammer adventures thing is David Tennant and Billie Piper doing the audiobooks.

[severe fiber]

David Tennant?

The doctor who guy?

[safe plover]

https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/8/6/86c7e6ee683e6384f2132ea67b30089002b0ae03.jpeg

chat is this real?

[tall phoenix]

Clearly forged documents.

[safe plover]

"genetic legacy"

idk seems legit to me

[runic root]

Funniest shit is that i can type literal curse words into this discord server and be fine but If i write out the medical term shown in clads meme my post doesnt get posted by this servers hate speech filter 😅😅😅🤣🤣

What makes it even funnier is that i am on that spectrum but am not allowed to describe myself as such 🤣🤣

[simple cloud]

Correct. I watched Aliens when I was 5 and look what a well-adjusted upstanding human being I am now.

[tall phoenix]

Its one of the best paradoxes of life.

Execs always think most kids are afraid of it while a great majority love that shit

[simple cloud]

Just read the original brothers grimm for Pete’s sake

(Btw if you haven’t they’re great reads)

https://a.co/d/eHd7w9x

English translation obv

[simple cloud]

Lmaooooo this is incredible

[safe plover]

i wish they kept the humor in 40k

[simple cloud]

Autism is v significantly heritable also so autistic primarchs confirmed

[safe plover]

i feel like its a natural human reaction to make a few jokes when you're surrounded by unfathomable misery

[simple cloud]

Yes.

[safe plover]

i think the current trend is that only orks can make jokes

[simple cloud]

See: firsthand accounts of those horrible wars the euros put everyone through

[runic root]

How can you write that Word but when i wrote it a while back DC didnt allow me to post?

[simple cloud]

It’s my special chud pass

There are only two and Eternal died in the line of duty carrying the other

[runic root]

I am genuinely confused

[tall phoenix]

He died in a square shaped dirt block hole

😔

[simple cloud]

It’s the noun but not the adjective?

Autistic test

[runic root]

So the Person being autistic as well as autism is ok but the personal noun isnt?

[simple cloud]

Wait

That worked

There we go

Autℹ️ st

Doesn’t work

[runic root]

Aut ist is what doesnt work

Weird.

[simple cloud]

I guess you could be calling someone else that

Most resembles a “slur” (overused term)

[runic root]

Yeah but you could easily convey the same slurr message but using the adjective or the noun of the condition by paraphrasing

[simple cloud]

But as we have noted it really hamstrings discussion of 40K lmaooo

In the grim darkness of the far future there is only autism

[runic root]

Yeah, that was my orginal point I got clown emojis for.... I havent forgiven/forgotten that

[simple cloud]

I thought the clown emojis were supportive hahaha

Like it’s a goofy rule

[runic root]

I thought they were mocking 🤷🏻

[simple cloud]

Christ idk

…. This is somehow proving the point

[runic root]

When in doubt i always assume i am being mocked/belligered/insulted.

[simple cloud]

o no

Pretty girl asks u out

Punched in face

Rip

[runic root]

Ive never been asked out before lol 😂

Probably never will be 😂

[simple cloud]

Well yeah you keep punching em

[runic root]

[simple cloud]

Based

[runic root]

Stop pulling my leg before it comes off

Alright, this is enough discord for today. Im gonna bake cornbread now and kill heretics later. See ya on the morningstar maybe

[simple cloud]

Enjoy the cornbread and always willing to drag down a team’s score by being a bumbling moron

[runic root]

It's in the oven btw

[drowsy urchin]

I too finished Ushoran yesterday. I did enjoy it but I'd hoped that we'd see more of the Delusions part of the Mortarch of Delusions. I kept waiting for an instance where the ghouls see themselves as they really are as often described but it didn't happen. Although I did like the slightly uncommon story element of the main POV character being the antagonist of the story.
4/5 wish there were more of Ushoran

[wise yew]

oh you mean The thing is the delusion is way too ******* strong and very few people actually manage to break out into that

the one that is like consistently known to break that illusion is Grand Justice Gormayne

[drowsy urchin]

Isn't Ushoran also known to break out of it every now and then as well

[wise yew]

he's the source of the curse so nah

Him being the literal source makes breaking out of it a literal struggle

The other way a flesh eater can break out of the curse and experience lucidity is through soul bound but that's a whole other kind of worms

as a matter of fact his delusions are so strong it affects other Non flesh eaters

[drowsy urchin]

I see

[safe plover]

@tall phoenix i LOVED descent of the angels

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-sopranos-somebody-speaking-sopranos-speaking-gif-26441246

[safe plover]

fastest way to get your attention

guy above me is posting scams

[tall phoenix]

Oh no its MrBeast

Get outta here

[runic root]

Clad, your dnd alignment must be chaotic neutral lol 🤣🤣🤣

[severe trail]

Goated

[mental cobalt]

I finally got this today for 44$

thank god for bookscouter

[tall phoenix]

very good finds

[wise yew]

Your takes might be garbage but I can't say you're not entertaining

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/rico-yum-nice-gif-2509497699000111500

[quartz path]

book ❤️

[safe plover]

kino

[storm kettle]

Man, kinda wish warhammer wasn’t a war gaming thing cause I want the story to move forward faster

WHERE IS MY BOY THE KHAN JAMES?!

I know you are hiding him somewhere

[simple cloud]

wtf if warhammer weren't a wargaming thing do you know what my life would be

I would have savings

Why would u want 2 ruin things 4 me like that

[storm kettle]

Only mini I’ve bought in my life was for a dnd game

Don’t have patience to paint armies

[vale wren]

Anytime I read a book in which Sororitas are at least mildly involved, it feels like I'm playing russian roulette waiting for that 1 chapter where a previous character gets put in a penitent engine

It's like those theories of a dystopian future where humanity is just living in boxes while being pumped full of feel-good chemicals, except the chemicals are replaced with liquid guilt

[tall phoenix]

They had what we refer to as a skill issue

but im pretty sure that literally only happens in like 1 book

[vale wren]

I can name 2 from the top of my head

first in the Asaheim trilogy (forgot the name) and in The Martyr's Tomb

nvm in the martyr's tomb he gets turned into an arco-flaggelant

something something 2 nickels

[deft bramble]

Reading Terminal Overkill.
"I knew about people with strange powers. The hive's toxins bred them. Men who could make metal cups dance on a table, juggle balls in the air without their hands..."

[tall phoenix]

[vale wren]

feed them to the astronomican immediately

[forest spruce]

Finally nearing the end of hand of abbadon

||Can't wait for literally the most important sword to be thrown aside in the lore because gw isn't gonna do anything impactful with it||

[simple cloud]

What what is happening to drachy… drachalacha… dramam… dracula the sword?

[forest spruce]

@simple cloud the other important sword

Erebus' pigsticker

||And the anathama got reforged||

[simple cloud]

Wat that shit is still around

[forest spruce]

||the shards have been floating around for a while, but they all got collected and remade into a blade called either culler or color idk which cause audiobook||

[vale wren]

Audiobook listeners be like: yeah man its either culler or color

[forest spruce]

Spelling names from 40k is hell

[vale wren]

It wouldn't be if you saw it written

[forest spruce]

Books are for the corrupted

[tall phoenix]

Another mcguffin plot?

[forest spruce]

Apparently silent king is the last book in dawn of fire so I have absolutely no idea how this is gonna tie in

[tall phoenix]

It probably wont

[forest spruce]

Yeah this is gonna get resolved in a codex or something

My prediction cause why not

Gullible is on the back foot and as he's about to be slain out of nowhere the lion appears with a steel chair

[simple cloud]

Ur a mcguffin

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-muffin-cute-espresso-gif-18044321355562190455

[runic root]

https://youtube.com/shorts/79VuCGXydrc?si=VrPbRnXFEGyQD5we

Reading son of the forrest, this above was the funniest

"There is no malady at work here, My LoRd, you just got old"

I legit cackled to myself like emperor plapatine for a legit minute reading that

[vale wren]

Son of the forest has a surprising amount of kek moments

[runic root]

Literally pulling a sword out of thin air, on account that it wouldnt have fit in the lions ass lmao 🤣 🤪

[vale wren]

Comically large plasma pistol jumpscare

Supposedly once wielded by the Emperor ™️ ©️

[vale wren]

But I do wonder who's gonna make it first: the legionbreaker to nihilus or the lion to sanctus

Probably girlyman but you never know

[forest spruce]

Gman has already been to nilihist

[vale wren]

Damn

I'm not far enough through the dawn of fire

[forest spruce]

Dev of baal

It's not in dawn of fire

[vale wren]

Well in dawn of fire he's still in sanctus so I'm definitely behind

[forest spruce]

Also pretty sure ultramar is in nihilist

[runic root]

The whole forrest walk thingo is trippy as fuck too...

And the kicker is, Lion "i have to be in control at all times, i cant ever trust or relax" El Johnson needs to learn mediation (letting shit go)in order to somewhat control his new found ability AND, get this, he learns that from a no name grizzled old former destroyer seargent lmao.

[forest spruce]

Do not bad mouth zabriel

I'll fight you

[runic root]

Supposedly....

Welcome to 40k where everything we've forgotten where it came from gets deified/turned into a relic, including the emperor lmao

[vale wren]

Nah it's not

[runic root]

"im not scared. You'd come apart in the last moments, just like cadia"

[vale wren]

Its galactic southeast of terra, close to the rift but on the correct side

[runic root]

Never, zabriel is awesome. But i will badmouth the princess in chief, lion el johnson, all day long. If he didnt ban luther and half the Legion, this Fallen shit would never have happened lol.

[forest spruce]

Ok that's 30k lion he was an idiot

40k old ass man is trying to be a better dad

[runic root]

#remembernemiel

[vale wren]

Nothing wises you up like being thrown 10000 years through the warp

[forest spruce]

Bro wasn't thrown he was just a bit eepy

[vale wren]

He's just like me fr....

[runic root]

High time. all it took was the fuck up of his life that shattered his legion/homeplanet and a 10.000 year nap....💀💀💀💀

Totally worth it 💀💀💀

Perturabo level impertinence

[sonic walrus]

Mebee, but Luther /did/ try to have him murdered through malicious negligence and Zahariel attempted to help cover up Luther having a change of heart. If Zahariel hadn't been there it would have been over. But he should have reported it to the lion. Period.

The real mistake was not killing Luther outright.

And giving peterturbo all them titans

[vale wren]

If we count all the mistakes made during the horus heresy we would need a book series about... 60 books long (wink)

It's been 10000 years, let bygones be bygones

[runic root]

He should have kept Luther close. Why would you entrust a man who almost had you killed with an entire Army and planet? Luther still loved the lion and even tried to disarm the device, so i dont think it would have been necessary to execute him

The lion should have confronted him and then enacted the right policies. Not banish a guilt ridden, proud, stubborn and thus easily manipulated man to a semi forge world/recruitment world full of space marines and weapons on a planet that is teeming with the "dark side of the force"

That was always the lions problem and the reason i dislike him so much. He never FUCKING talked about his issues and thoughts and plans. Authority without communication and trust is blind and helpless.

[forest spruce]

That's why I love him so much in son of the forest cause he's clearly struggling with explaining things to his son but he's still trying

Like bro got the tism but he's trying

[sonic walrus]

Luther decided to hide it from the lion to get him killed, then he went back on that. He should have been executed and Zahariel should have reported it the second he saw what was going on. The lion should have just killed Luther, keeping him close would have been more trouble than it was worth, and it was weakness to spare him and send him home with a fucking army.

[runic root]

True. Shame it took 10.000 years and the shattering of a planet and a legion for self reflection and self love to kick in but better late than never

[sonic walrus]

The lions character now in current lore is much better than it was in the heresy.

[runic root]

The Lion loved him and Luther did in return. I believe he could have been redeemed. At the point of the first betrayl luther still believed in the Lion and the great crusade.

[runic root]

On that we finally agree at last

[sonic walrus]

I understand where you're coming from, but thats not a 40k'esque (30k'esque i guess)?) way to resolve that issue between them. The 40k answers are always the worst option, which is why Luther was sent home with a legion to break the planet. If you wanted to resolve it in away that didn't break the planet, but did cause damage. The lion having to kill his "father" is a much better way to handle the issue. But we need Zahariel alive, and unhappy with the imperium so that he goes off and does the things he does later in the heresy. So the only solution was to have him punished along with Luther. Unless they wanted to spin off Zahariel an entirely different story line to have him end up in the same place later on.

[unborn merlin]

The only satisfying ending is definitely Luther dying. Doesn't even need to be at the hands of the Lion. Something along of lines of Luther being forgiven (or even refusing to be forgiven) and then dying at the hands of ||John Mother Fucking Grammaticus!||

[tall phoenix]

I'll laugh if he gets a model later.

then he'll never get killed

[unborn merlin]

I wouldn't put it past them.

I'd want Zahariel to be Cypher but I'm also prepared for GW to fumble that whole storyline.

I'd even take Corswain for shits and giggles.

[sonic walrus]

cypher has been lucius the whole time!

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/twist-m-night-shamalan-what-gif-6054790

[simple cloud]

I didn’t read all that but what I’m getting is

John Grammaticus model confirmed

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[simple cloud]

11th edition imperial agents faction is just him

THE imperial agent

2000 points 1++++ plot armor save

[unborn merlin]

John Grammaticus is the Imperium.

[simple cloud]

So true king

[forest spruce]

Is this some Horus joke I'm too 40k pilled to understand

Do I read paths of damnation, war boss or start the space wolves books

Got like another month until I need to torture myself with another dawn of fire book

I am also open to suggestions cause I have a credit or two on audible

[shadow oar]

Elemental Council rocks

It's a bit of a slow burn, I'll say I was a little uninvested for the first 80-ish pages, but it's a long book and after that I've been super hooked

I didn't give a crap about the Tau at all prior to reading it but it is really, really good

[tacit trail]

read the buried dagger

sorry death guard I was unfamiliar with your game

they're actually pretty cool

also loved Malcador in it and the Knights-Errant, though I was a little confused about how the Emperor appeared before them when hes supposed to be on the throne

[vale wren]

look for a new book
ask the store clerk if it's horus or heresy
she doesn't understand
I pull out an illustrated diagram explaining what is horus and what is heresy
she laughs and says "it's a good book sir"
buy it
it's horus

[tacit trail]

horus what

[reef nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/concern-concern-meme-40k-tech-priest-commissar-gif-19826274

[gilded night]

I want to get into the books, need a good place to start.

[drowsy urchin]

pinned messages 🫡

[gilded night]

Thank ya

[deft bramble]

learn alphabet

[mental cobalt]

your favorite perpetual 😌

[simple cloud]

😔

[celest heron]

Who is this horus

And why cant you see his hair

[simple cloud]

Horsehair

[tacit trail]

horus hairesy

[forest spruce]

Buddy at work recommended the red tithe

[celest heron]

That happens once a month

[forest spruce]

Idk I'm just so lost on what to read next, and trying to stay away from the heresy because I'm not even close to mentality ready for that

Is it a good book?

[celest heron]

No idea, but sharks are cool

[reef nacelle]

Both Charcaradon books are great

[forest spruce]

Good enough I guess

[tall phoenix]

Its a very okay book.

Id say read Elemental Council though as said above

its a lot different and fun than another space marine book

[forest spruce]

Dilara do you have any space Marine books that you do like? Because every time one is brought up it gets the same it's ok response

[tall phoenix]

Yeah I got quite a few lmao

Lukas the Trickster, Ragnar Trilogy, Know No Fear, Echoes of Eternity, Dead Sky Black Sun, Gate of Bones, Cypher Lord of the Fallen, Renegades Harrowmaster, etc etc.

[simple cloud]

Sus space wolf overrepresentation

[tall phoenix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1354577144440688736/1356243022899052634/LEGION_LEADER.gif?width=750&height=422

[wide mica]

Outgunned is so fun, I'm sad I waited so long before reading it

Shard is such an asshole I love her

[tall phoenix]

I suggest reading the entire series

Above and Beyond after it is one of my all-time favorite 40k books

Shard is also indeed an absolute cunt lol

[wide mica]

I've got Above and Beyond and I think I've got the Trial of Lucile von Shard

[tall phoenix]

Hold on i got you

nvm discord is not letting me post pics

basically its uh

[wide mica]

Just need Starstruck and Own Worst enemy

[tall phoenix]

1. Trial of Lucille Von Shard (Short)
2. Outgunned
3. Starstruck (Short)
4. Own Worst Enemy (Short)
5. Above and Beyond

Is the reading order

Trial is not that big of a deal but the other 2 shorts are somewhat needed to understand some stuff in Above

they are very fun

[wide mica]

Nice thanks, I'll be sure to get them before moving onto Above and Beyond

[tall phoenix]

🫡

Happy to help, Above did a thing most 40k novels never managed for me where i almost teared up/felt a lot of things lol

It starts out as a very run of the mill novel before it just goes a ton of places.

[simple cloud]

Wat

wtf

K adding 2 list

[tall phoenix]

Its a very fun adventure story i think, which is rare for most 40k books

Also the reading order

[safe plover]

its pretty much an anime about a tsundere pilot i read a summary somewhere

ugh its not like i wanted you silly propagandist....

[tall phoenix]

Shes not a tsundere pilot and she has no feelings for Simlex.

bro really is projecting his weebness, cannot escape this

[tall phoenix]

read a summary

explains a lot

[hybrid turtle]

shes just very very cynical

[tall phoenix]

Yeah I agree as someone that also extremely hated her at first lol

[fringe thorn]

What other novel series are about commissars other than Ibram Gaunt, Yarrick, and Ciaphas Cain?
Edit: Severina Raine books

[tall phoenix]

Thats it really

you described em all lol

Raine, Gaunt, Yarrick and Cain are the main 4 commissar runs

[forest spruce]

Wait wait wait you liked Lord of the fallen. I thought you didn't for whatever reason

[tall phoenix]

I didnt like it, it doesnt mean I hated it.

I legit think its a really funny book lol

I was more in the middle with it

[forest spruce]

Also you like the space wolves don't you dilara

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-krabby-patty-smug-spongebob-squarepants-gif-9547716225990610286

[tall phoenix]

I like William King tbh

My number of favorite space marine books are very low few lmao

[runic root]

Dilara seems like she'd be a world eater fan, given how strongly she always tears in to clad for his takes (Kharn-like behavior)

[shy lark]

Broken Crusade was fun aside from 1 or 2 things 🙂

[simple cloud]

Does Dilara have a kill counter y/n

[shy lark]

yes

More of a ban counter

[halcyon pivot]

I’m sure it’s been discussed but I just found out we are getting another Carcharodon novel from Robbie MacNiven

[unborn merlin]

Nice

[sonic walrus]

Almost done with The Emperor Gift, ADB always making bangers.

[simple cloud]

It’s v good!!!

[sonic walrus]

Just got to Bjorn the Fell-Handed.

[runic root]

The grumpiest coffin to have ever walked the universe.

And deservedly so

[quartz path]

It's all the same picture lol

[safe plover]

she only let the guy take one good picture of her

otherwise shes drunk or something

[quartz path]

She had one really bomb ass photo and she didn't want it to go to waste

[tall phoenix]

Well 1 is different at least

also GW puts no effort into short story covers lol

[safe plover]

queen of the boring answer strikes again

[tall phoenix]

Its reality, either lap it up or stop being a wojak

[quartz path]

I assumed it was just like a meeting between the big chair guys and they're like "do we really wanna pay the artist to make another cover or do we just hoard more money?"

[tall phoenix]

yeah hold on lemme get some Short covers

[severe trail]

Tbh

in universe I could see the imperium

reusing the same propaganda shot

[tall phoenix]

I get why tho and cant complain since these are like 20-30 page long shorts, why bother with generally unique covers (minus some exceptions)

[severe trail]

Tbh

Just no art also works as well

But it needs something on the cover

[tall phoenix]

Yeah pretty much

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-mvp-the-goat-gif-27042870

[wide mica]

One of the things I enjoy so much about Outgunned is how refreshing it is that the author lets Shard be an asshole, so many other authors would have her soften or reveal that her harsh exterior is just a front fairly early on, but Denny Flowers actually just lets her be a complete ass.

[severe trail]

Yeah she’s great lol

Love how she’s depicted

[wide mica]

The scene where Simlex is basically having a stroke due to having 3 months of recorded footage instantly downloaded directly into his brain and is trying to warn everyone about an attack by pointing out the window and she's just like "Yes Window, that's called a window, can you say Window?"

[tall phoenix]

Yeah Above & Beyond explores it way more as the sequel book.

it was one of the few bits of the novel that actually made me pause because I fucking hated Shard a lot beforehand, shes a really good well written asshole character lol

[grim gate]

So i liked Bloodlines but it feels like it's incomplete

[tall phoenix]

How so

[runic root]

"How so"? she asked, while silently loading her boltgun, clads taxidermied and mounted head shining behind her on the wall in the dim gloom of her evening candles

[severe trail]

LOL

[tall phoenix]

what in the-

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cola-cat-cola-explosion-luma-ai-gif-12441479630905084027

[runic root]

Eh, just how i imagined how your "how so" came about. Not the best attempt of writing but its almost 1am so i'll graciously forgive myself for the lack of lyrical quality.

[safe plover]

my body will corrupt all into hating legion

[tall phoenix]

your body will help sustain me with shark fin soup

[safe plover]

^ 90% soup

[grim gate]

I thought we would get some actual GSC stuff

[grim gate]

Like ||Udmil is very clearly GSC or has GSC in her bloodline, and all the rejuve stuff is a plan to spread the genes around||

[tall phoenix]

We dont really know that.

The "GSC" "hints" are also like extremely loose.

theres almost zero setup for it, the rejuvination stuff is also just an unrelated crime thing, the entire point of the story is that it is just a henious thing that nobody cares about because the murder of these young people is just seen as inconsequential

Tying it into genestealers would be very stupid and makes no sense, the cult scenes are just to show the main character having his own hidden "hobbies" essentially when hes off-duty, its left to the reader to figure out whats it really about.

[grim gate]

Well i never thought the MC was GSC, but like the book constantly drops references to GSC, people with strange proportions and pink skin, the mention of a crashed ship that apparently had xenos on board, udmils ex husband dropping that line about how there's something cursed about her bloodline and whatnot

[tall phoenix]

I wouldnt really say "constantly", a lot of those mentions are in regards to how shitty the underhive life in Alecto is but I guess I can see the confusion.

[grim gate]

They also directly namedropped Genestealers

I just really really felt like it was gonna go into a GCS reveal

And the book is called "Bloodlines" so I expect Bloodlines to actually be a much more important plot point

[tall phoenix]

Okay but this is literally just a passing joke

[grim gate]

"You say that, but I have this contact in the dockyard and she told me-"

Maybe it's just confirmation bias but I feel like there's enough references to GSC that it can't be overlooked

Again, I did really like the book, and want to write my own 40k detective novel even more now

[vale wren]

Just finished Sea of Souls

Got daymn

Wraight really cooked with this one

[simple cloud]

No spoilers no spoilers

I’m saving that one for a rainy day

[vale wren]

Make sure the day isn't too rainy

[simple cloud]

Damn I’ll bump it up in the queue

I’m on a Gaunt’s Ghost spree rn

[vale wren]

I'll just say that not enough books delve that deep into the actual horror of the warp

[simple cloud]

Wraight writes probably the best prose in 40K

Just on a stylistic use the English language to its fullest like you’re from the same island as Milton and George Eliot level

the same slightly shite island

[vale wren]

I like Gaunt's Ghosts a lot, but there are some bits thare are grimdark for the sake of being grimdark and it all feels rather pointless, it's like yeah, yeah everything is le bad. But with sea of souls it all weaves into this mosaic and when you finally realize it goes so hard

[tall phoenix]

If this got you down that bad then id suggest reading the anthologies in the other Crime books

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[simple cloud]

Is warhammer crime still going, occasionally

Or is it dead

[tall phoenix]

At the moment its on hold, not really dead

its latest release is like- hold on

[simple cloud]

Huh

[tall phoenix]

Yeah like a year old

so its pretty "fresh" still by warhammer series standards

[vale wren]

Empreror on the golden throne looking ass actually that's not too bad at all

[simple cloud]

Ok ok good a year is fine

[tall phoenix]

also with 38 Shorts + 5 novels I think its pretty well for the time being lmao

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warhammer_Crime

[simple cloud]

Black library is a pretty amazing thing.

[vale wren]

Sometimes it feels like they got half of the UKs writers employed

[simple cloud]

I love that they do the open submissions thing

Yeah it’s totally location / situation specific

Brits are just amazing writers

Also actors

[vale wren]

JK Rowling jumpscare

[tall phoenix]

They know a lot of things about living under a dystopia so its probably that lol

[simple cloud]

Not much else to do in the fog and shit eating beans for breakfast

[tall phoenix]

another stream of piss for Thatcher's grave please waiter

🫡

[vale wren]

It's called a pint over here

[simple cloud]

Anyway not Warhammer but I say again if anyone has not read Middlemarch you must

It is required 4 being a complete human that is all

Also Hilary Mantel. Wolf Hall.

That woman writes men better than any man I’ve read.

[vale wren]

But sometimes it's also pretty annoying, because people go "oh you haven't read it? it's in one short story that only exists in an omnibus published in 2008"

sometimes it do be like this

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-reading-lord-of-the-rings-library-gif-364904983449854998

[vale wren]

Absolute cinema✋ 🤚

[grim gate]

I saw Noah Van Nguyen wrote one or two

[drowsy urchin]

Just finished Sea of Souls as well, most likely the best one in the series

[mellow knot]

Also, Chris is the Nicest Man in the World.

[simple cloud]

Yeah?

Have u met??

[mellow knot]

Yep

[tacit trail]

do you guys think 40k or horus heresy books are better

[spare ledge]

There are great books in each but both have plenty of books that are filler at best.

[tacit trail]

yeah but which would you say has the best quality overall

[wise yew]

i'd say 40K

Now mind you my familiarity with horus heresy is rather lacking and I'm sure there is good books on it

but with 40K it has the advantage of having other things besides humans and marines mind you if you enjoy them good for you but with 40K it's an advantage because if you don't want to learn about humans you can read about orcs if you don't want to learn about them you can read about Tau and so on

[tall phoenix]

Definitely 40k

30k is just nothing but marines

[tacit trail]

that is true

[tall phoenix]

at least 40k ones got some variance most of the time

[wise yew]

Alright we have now thrown the chum in the water now we just wait for a certain shark to swim here

[tacit trail]

I've only read one and a half 40k books and nearly all the horus heresy 😭

[tall phoenix]

Hey its your money at the end of the day man

[viral juniper]

someone pull up the chart for HH books

[tacit trail]

nah I've just been lent the books

not a dime spent

yet

i do plan on buying physical copies for myself of books I particularly like

[wise yew]

if you're gonna get into warhammer literature just go to 40K because you have flexibility in there by having other factions

[tacit trail]

i am excited for that

I just feel obligated to finish horus heresy

Im so close to the end I might as well finish it

[wise yew]

with HH it's literally marines 24/7

[tacit trail]

it is

I dont care too much for marines I just really like the imperium as a whole

I enjoy reading more about malcador and the emperor than the marines

only 30k marines I really find interesting are blood angels, sons of horus, iron warriors, and alpha legion (though the latter is not too fun to read about imo unfortunately)

[tall phoenix]

How many books did you read

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy_Series

and where are you on this list atm

[tacit trail]

Im currently finishing up solar war

So just the siege of terra

[tall phoenix]

oof

off to a rough start already

not gonna get good until Saturnine

[tacit trail]

yeah I skipped through a lot of solar war ngl

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

IM GLAD I WASNT THE ONLY ONE

[tacit trail]

i wonder what the next chapter will be, more void warfare who would have guessed!

And mersadie

who is probably the least interesting of the horus rising cast

In this book ive only been reading the parts with abaddon, sigismund, and malcador, I don't really care much about the others

[tall phoenix]

I also hate the dragging out

the traitors are gonna fucking reach Terra

I WONDER HOW, OH NO BULLSHIT MAGIC PORTAL

[tacit trail]

yeah I really don't care about some celestial alignment mumbo jumbo

im here to watch my favorite manchild perturabo, the primarchs, and malcador

[tall phoenix]

Id say while you're at it

Skimread Solar War
Skimread Lost and the Damned
Skimread First Wall
Completely skip Sons of Selenator (literally has NOTHING to do with Siege, isnt even set on Terra)

[tacit trail]

The person who lent me the siege of terra books didnt even have that book included

Thats my first time hearing about it

[tall phoenix]

Checks out lmao

it picks up after First Wall

[tacit trail]

oh are mortis and garro bad

[tall phoenix]

Mortis is just titanporn, it gets VERY boring, one of the only Siege books thats universally somewhat panned

[tacit trail]

yeah I do not care about warporn

I love watching action on screen but for some reason I hate reading it

[tall phoenix]

Garro is just... well its just Garro going against Mortarion, getting wounded, Vader moment of "JOIN ME GARRO" and he goes "Nah fuck you Morty" and gets him with a jab and dies and the book ends lol

its a waste of time

[tacit trail]

I might read garro anyway just cause I like garro and want to see his story through

morty grew on me a bit too after buried dagger

[drowsy urchin]

it's good if you like Garro

[tall phoenix]

Yeah fair enough

[tall phoenix]

Morty is just a cartoon villain in this

but if you wanna read it for Garro go for it

[tacit trail]

man

i hate when they do that

[tall phoenix]

same

but hes like HILARIOUSLY evil

he says since garo denied him hes gonna make make him get posessed and follow him around forever

like okay Megatron, what else

[tacit trail]

join me garro, or else ill kill these puppies!!!

[mellow knot]

That’s why Huron Blackheart was a fun villain to write, he’s just as mad as a sackful of wet mice

Less threats, more mindless slaughter

🙂

[tall phoenix]

Shes right!

[tacit trail]

honestly they're better off writing chaos marines like that cause when they give them character they just come across sounding stupid cause their logic for turning bad is so clearly flawed

cough cough horus

[mellow knot]

Huron’s reason for turning bad was largely because he could.

Dear Ol’ Slobberchops

[tacit trail]

You'll never make me pay my taxes!!!

[tall phoenix]

Huron's reasons are legit so normal too

who the fuck wants to pay taxes

[tacit trail]

right

[drowsy urchin]

normal people

[tall phoenix]

*losers

[drowsy urchin]

taxes pay for good roads and public services!

[tacit trail]

ok but the galaxy is so big why cant i just have my cool little mini empire

[mellow knot]

Roads? Where we’re going, we don’t need roads.

[viral juniper]

space roads

[wise yew]

look man i don't know how we can put ferrocrete in the warp to make roads there so unfortunately that won't be possible

[tacit trail]

not with that attitude

[tall phoenix]

We're gonna build a wall around the Maelstrom and make the Chaos Marines pay for it

🫡

[uneven crane]

Pour 100 billion tons of cement into the warp

Make road from there

[viral juniper]

me dumping car batteries into the warp

[severe trail]

Thank you Huron

[tacit trail]

dorn will come back from the dead so he can build the imperiums grand intergalactic highway

[mellow knot]

He’s the hero we need

[wise yew]

ah yes make the illegal heretics pay for it genius

[unborn merlin]

The Imperium definitely needs a hand right now.

[simple cloud]

Awesome.

Circumstances? Did you get to chat?

[simple cloud]

Mortis is so tedious

I felt like I was going into mortis

[tall phoenix]

rigor mortis more like am I right 💀

[safe plover]

problem with mortis is that it favors some builds for funmaxxing and you may not get those talents

like only deathdealer actually does anything as a major blessing

and only the minor blitz blessings do anything

yes game i want to fart fire while the psyker gets free assail shards on kill and the ogryn has regenerating nukes

[simple cloud]

I was so confused for a second.

[safe plover]

oh

books?

[simple cloud]

There is no fun to maxx in Mortis by John French

[safe plover]

eww who reads knight books

ewwww

i assumed it was mortis trials because knight books being shit is the only thing dilara and i agree on

[mellow knot]

All the time for a while (am also occasional BL writer).

[sonic walrus]

I didn't think this phrase could get dumber. Thank you for proving me wrong.

[tall phoenix]

always happy to help lol

[celest heron]

Huron was such a nice guy

I blame the minotaurs

[cerulean peak]

Minotaurs did nothing wrong

Astartes on astartes hate crimes is a myth

[celest heron]

Wdym last incident was a long time ago on prospero

[mental cobalt]

in theory*, in practice the roads are ignored and public services are terrible

[runic root]

Make
Atoma
Great
Again

[runic root]

Always a good place to lay some blame

They are nuts

[safe plover]

chat make this guy drive at night

[drowsy urchin]

I often do

it's fine

[simple cloud]

So true

[simple cloud]

Awww fucking Only in Death is making me tear uppp

Abnetttttttttt

[drowsy urchin]

[fringe thorn]

god damn the used price for the Gaunt's Ghost omnibuses after The Saint rise exponentially per book
I was able to get The Saint omnibus for $10, then when I checked for The Lost the lowest is $75

[reef nacelle]

Me buying the audiobooks for £4-6 each

Warhammer physical media is an expensive way to lose your sanity (and money)

[fringe thorn]

Audiobooks are just not for me. I am mainly a visual learner. Details are lost to me if I have to listen from someone instead of reading on a screen or paper. And I have used e-books for college courses for the past 4 years due to... cost savings that reading a physical book is so pleasing now.

[drowsy urchin]

Was it the reason for all the fucked ups shit happening there

[simple cloud]

Honestly I guessed that early on (don’t ask me how) but it was more everyone’s reliving his memories and regrets and seeing loved ones etc.

Also yeah the reveal ||which emphasized that the manifestations were basically created by the yearnings and fears of the individuals||

[drowsy urchin]

I was sure it was either what happened actually or ||Milo because of the pipes||

[simple cloud]

Right yes!

The whole book, as intended, is just so elegiac

[drowsy urchin]

It was an excellent book, among my favourites in the series thus far

[simple cloud]

And ||removing Gaunt was an interesting smart move obv||

[drowsy urchin]

It was

And it was great to see the other commissars try to cope

[quaint canopy]

Is the agents of the imperium collection a good way to get into Eisenhorn or is it better to get them individually and in the right order?

[fringe thorn]

If you want to know Eisenhorn, read the Eisenhorn omnibus...? Agents of the imperium is unrelated to him. Not sure what you want to say.

[glad mural]

hey wanting to get into warhammer lore with books anyone have a good suggestion for a first book?

[drowsy urchin]

Pinned messages has an excellent list just for that 🫡

[safe plover]

hows the cadia series?

i might do that next if i ever get the motivation

its either that or ahriman

[drowsy urchin]

what's the cadia series

[safe plover]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cadia_(Novel_Series)

[drowsy urchin]

all of the cadia books I know of are one offs

[safe plover]

idk isnt it a series?

[drowsy urchin]

oh I always thought those as the Minka Lesk series

[safe plover]

🤔 or do you think ahriman would be better

i really liked him in HH

[drowsy urchin]

I've not read/listened either, Ahriman is more interesting to me at least

[tall phoenix]

Generally mid/ok.

Minka isnt a bad character but every book kinda feels like "another guardsman story no.29120"

[safe plover]

JUST ANOTHER DAY AT THE GUARD

[simple cloud]

Eisenhorn: Xenos

[deft bramble]

just start eisenhorn from the 1st book

good start

[shy lark]

eisenhorn schmeisenhorn nothing

15 hours or bust

[deft bramble]

what does it even mean?..

[simple cloud]

We have our best people on it

[deft bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-awkward-worried-nervous-embarrassed-gif-4782036

[shy lark]

it is pure wisdom from the fountain of wisdom

[quaint canopy]

Wow, such English

[simple cloud]

Sigsen… do you… do you call ur bumhole the fountain of wisdom

Bc if so unfathomably based

[simple cloud]

Sigsen plz we must kno

[noble jungle]

Why are there no new entries in the warhammer crime s´novel series? The best books in the universe I've come across.

[simple cloud]

The imperium made a law outlawing crime

[noble jungle]

damn, that sucks

[severe trail]

we do not know

[simple cloud]

I know

[noble jungle]

I know, I'm just venting.
Are there any other books centered around the "normal" lives of imperial citizens?

[severe trail]

in the same manner as Warhammer Crime?

uh

not really

which fucking sucks

[noble jungle]

yeah...

I like the glimpses you get of it in the Eisennhorn series though

[severe trail]

Assasinorum Kingmaker has a little bit, but thats Knight house life

and its again, just a little bit

[noble jungle]

Oh, that's a good one, listened to the audiobook.

[tall phoenix]

Did you like

read EVERY single Crime thing?

all the anthologies and books?

[severe trail]

probably

maybe they want to avoid the mid crime books

which are still very good

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

thats all of them

[severe trail]

Clad

[safe plover]

id rather read a transcript of csi miami YEAAAAAA

[severe trail]

[safe plover]

https://tenor.com/view/horatio-caine-yeah-csi-miami-sunglasses-meme-gif-4566497

[severe trail]

Crime enjoyers, what shall we do with Clad

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/anything-else-anything-else-to-say-trash-opinion-mic-to-the-bin-mic-trash-gif-14239991437264505463

[tall phoenix]

Shoot him through the skull what else

or sharkfin soup

[safe plover]

for future refrence this was ||bait||

[noble jungle]

Force them to read every Spess Mahreen schlock book

[severe trail]

No we're putting Clad in the rejuvenat machine

from Crime

that one

[safe plover]

im too dense wont effect me

[severe trail]

oh being dense is good

the more meat the better

[safe plover]

u can have my meat any day

[severe trail]

ayo

[safe plover]

i had one beer

[noble jungle]

Not the short stories to be honest. ARe they any good?

[safe plover]

im tots buzzed ok?!

[tall phoenix]

The anthologies are hit and a miss, theres a lot of good ones in it

[severe trail]

Vorbis conspiracy

my beloved

[tall phoenix]

^ Vorbis is PEAK

but read them in release order

since theres a mild chronology

[severe trail]

ITS VORBIN TIME

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/close-call-cruise-ship-near-crash-big-boat-viralhog-gif-14327191

god the reveal in that book

is so good, regarding the ship crash

[severe trail]

Fr

ngl my last book in Warhammer Crime being Clear as glass

was certianly a choice from me

not that clear as glass is bad

just why was that my fucking reading order

[noble jungle]

Ok, thanks for the suggestion!

[tall phoenix]

No worries, do you read them digitally or physical?

[tall phoenix]

dude

I started with Clear as Glass too LMAO

I was like "whats even happening"

then I read the anthologies and was like "ooooh"

[severe trail]

I ended with it LOL

Which was fine

my first one was bloodlines

[noble jungle]

Digital. Too stingy for physical.

[noble jungle]

probably my favorite

would love a series around that probator

[tall phoenix]

he appears in some of the shorts!

[noble jungle]

Oh, that's nice!

[tall phoenix]

Yeah almost every Short in the Anthologies is unrelated but theres some overlapping characters.

Theres a fav of mine Ornthoptera whos like a freaky assassin for example that can shapeshift and does contract killings and so on.

Baggit and Clodd also got a really fun/depressing one in there too lol, Gutter Angels i think

but yeah my tip is read all of them in order but feel free to skimread any you dont like, most of the stories are very fun still

[noble jungle]

I now also figured out what my Arbites will be called hehe

[undone pebble]

Any good Arbites books out there?

I need to read em. Do they have a real life Lex book I can read and study?

Like actually real books and I can physically open em and read em and own em?

[severe trail]

No, the Lex imperialis in universe is so big you need a literal library to hold just the basic volumes

For arbite books

The Shira books are old

But good

[undone pebble]

Damn, I was hoping I could own something IRL.

[severe trail]

Enforcers are in fact

Mega fucking nerds lol

[undone pebble]

Oh thanks, I'll check em out.

[severe trail]

They’re drafted from the schola from like

[undone pebble]

I'm a nerd!

[severe trail]

People who are too physically strong/psychotic/good at shooting to just be trained for high level scribe duty

[undone pebble]

Relatable characters, nice.

[severe trail]

Well

If you can memorize a small libraries worth of laws and how to apply them

You’ve got a kindred spirit ig

[undone pebble]

I can count to 9

[severe trail]

I would like to mention some of the laws in the Lex imperialis are batshit insane

[undone pebble]

Should be enough IQ

[severe trail]

And rarely enforced

[severe trail]

To the scions you go

[tall phoenix]

Currently reading Era of Ruin

Its mid.

https://tenor.com/view/its-bleak-bleak-its-peak-peak-homelander-gif-466413946589568151

Im halfway through it and im not impressed with any of these short stories

[safe plover]

its ok

going by anthology rules the last one is peak

[tall phoenix]

Yeah im gonna agree since its titled CARRION LORD OF THE IMPERIUM

But ill post a full short-review once im done

[safe plover]

🚬 i told you its gonna have a valdor story

[tall phoenix]

[tall phoenix]

Im at the Sisters of Silence one by Abnett now

god damn its dreadful

"IM NOT USED TO PEOPLE NOTICING ME OWO"

Page 11 out of 24 and again literally nothing but fightporn

oh my god man 💀

[runic root]

Eh, story telling is overrated. Give me Michal Bay-esque bolterporn and violence all day so i can turn my brain off and have a good time

[safe plover]

smh just turn on your bullshit cuff girlie

how the fuck does that work anyways

does bequins cuff have a mini psyker inside it?

[hybrid turtle]

Just disable the nothing, easy

[tall phoenix]

What gets me is Abnett writing a story this pointless

it explores nothing and I could have easily skipped it.

Just finised the one with Ahriman which was also just nothing, augh

Almost done....

[safe plover]

ADB my beloved........

save us

[mental cobalt]

SAY IT AIN'T SO 😩

[mortal reef]

When im in an assasinate the emperors character competition and adb shows up

[runic root]

Ahrimans story was nothing?

So one could almost say....

All is dust 💀💀💀

[simple cloud]

I skipped straight to the last one wololololo

[simple cloud]

It’s ok 6/10

[safe plover]

what happens

pls tell spoil me

[runic root]

A true wizard

[simple cloud]

||Diocletian walks around and also remembers stuff||

[safe plover]

dawg seriously

i dont even remember who that is

[simple cloud]

||We get some more details about the beginnings of the Primarch Project and uh the breaking of the webway gate but nothing that hasn’t already been implied. There are no new secrets or tidbits. We I suppose get more blatant “hints” that primarchs are made heavily of warp stuff, and Diocletian bitterly even says in an imagined conversation with the primarchs that the emperor is not their father — their fathers are cavorting in the warp, delighted at what their progeny have wrought.||

[safe plover]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-flash-cat-betterttv-gif-10690574645280585754

🚬 we kinda new that tho didnt we?

[simple cloud]

We do learn that the Custodes ||or at least the inner circle had an alternative vision and was against the PP. They wanted to lead the common men of the Imperial Army in the Crusade||

[simple cloud]

Yes.

Valdor in particular is here portrayed as ||secretly emotional and soulful, and is the prime champion of the plan by which baseline humanity would reconquer the stars, led only by Him and the 10,000||

Which may be a hint @ his motivations or not

[safe plover]

i was hoping for ||more direct stuff relating to bequin and the king in yellow plotlines||

[runic root]

Clad, ive seen fishnets that didnt have as many holes as your memory...

No wonder youre studying engineering, you probably have the din norm book/number tables tatooed on your arms 🤣

[simple cloud]

I mean big C does appear a lot.

He is a cool character

The above re the 300’s (that’s the inner circle) alternative plan I think might be important. It’s not that surprising but it’s interesting.

[runic root]

I wonder, is valdor still loyal to the emperor? Thats what i wanna know

[safe plover]

ye he is

[simple cloud]

Y… es. But if he thinks the Astartes are a mistake and now we see ||there was an alternative plan|| he may be disloyal to the Empire as it is.

[safe plover]

cmon he was like a z level character

[simple cloud]

We see a huge amount of tension between the custodes and ||Guilliman|| also

[safe plover]

theyre made from him theyre allowed to have a bigger say or at least they think so

[runic root]

YOU MUST REMEMBER EVERY SINGLE MINISCULE DETAIL

I am Alpharius

We are Legion

[simple cloud]

Like Diocletian and his squad consider ||killing him before he sets himself up to lead the Imperium after the Emperor is interred||

Diocletian almost does it

Knife’s edge

[runic root]

But, could they? He is Constantin fucking valdor? Anything short of the primarchs probably couldnt kill him

[simple cloud]

No not Valdor

||Roboute||

[runic root]

Ah. Even more difficult to pull off

[simple cloud]

And it would be like a bunch of custodes and sisters

So they probably could have.

[runic root]

Hmm
Possible.
But desastrous

[simple cloud]

So it’s good Custodes character writing and it’s as I thought mostly low key & flashbacks

I guess there are some other good bits. It is ADB

Diocletian has this especially unclouded pov

So it’s good. His character has developed tho like he ||gives a little kid his cloak||

Another striking thing from the story is Dio kind of sees the Emperor as he is. Like he has a special insight or something.

And according to Dio, just after Magnus ruins everything, while the Emperor is directing the emergency efforts, He is panicked and ||weeping||.

So there is that.

That was probably the most powerful bit.

[safe plover]

my theory is that he knew 40k was a possible outcome and he didnt want to stay on the golden throne he wanted to die and respawn

[simple cloud]

I don’ t think he would have respawned normally

Possibly would have gone out of control and become the human Slaanesh (bad)

Maanesh

/ the Durk Kang etc etc

Other bits notable to me… well we get a description of the Throne that is a little to fan-servicy to me.

In that it’s very clearly meant to invoke first this

Then this

Down to the random blood bag

I prefer Chris Wraight’s magnificent description which is admittedly 10k years later. But with something so important you want a new description not a series of little nods to old art.

And of course the description should be indirect and sparing.

But it should be new.

[safe plover]

smh u have no evidence to support that

he rejected the power in the end

[simple cloud]

I guess the last thing is that the story takes place quite a while after the end and the death, and at the end Dio goes to the Emperor and ||asks him a question (do you dream). Which implies that at this point the Emperor was communicating in some way w the Custodes. But we knew that.||

Or

He doesn’t expect an answer idk

But it seems like he does.

The story ends right there.

[tall phoenix]

Dude

[simple cloud]

Yes when fully whole and rational

[tall phoenix]

they legit do the "dust" line

lmao

I was like "oh fuck off"

[simple cloud]

F

[tall phoenix]

ARE WE

SOME KINDA

SORT OF DUST?

John French, my man, please 💀

[simple cloud]

F F F

Plz

“HORUS, THIS IS HERESY!”

[tall phoenix]

Yeah im at the techpriest short story rn

ngl this book is really dissapointing

literally covers almost nothing interesting

i hope at least the Emperor short is good

[simple cloud]

rip

[safe plover]

GULIMAN ACTUALLY SAID THAT 😭

[runic root]

Funny thing is, i made that joke without reading that story

[tall phoenix]

What, is it bad 💀

[simple cloud]

See above

6/10

[tall phoenix]

AAAAUGH

[runic root]

John french has the same dumb humor like i do lmao

[safe plover]

horus is no longer a traitor...... he is an arch heretic.... in my UNREMEMBERED empire....

[runic root]

[safe plover]

AAAAAAA

[tall phoenix]

Okay so funny thing

we actually already know this

Valdor says this to the Emperor

so we again get nothing new

[runic root]

You will get your reused, reheated slop and youll like it

[safe plover]

cant belive they fucking delayed bequin 3 for this

[runic root]

No worries, Clad, it'll happen just in time for your grandkids to read it to you at your deathbed

[tall phoenix]

What gets me is like

almost 5 of these stories dont even explain anything regarding the aftermath of the Siege

[simple cloud]

Look man Diocletian walks around a lot ok

A lot

And thinks thoughts ok

[safe plover]

book chat will never admit clad was right about ALL athologies being shit

[runic root]

John Grammaticus 2.0

[tall phoenix]

Because you are wrong.

[safe plover]

🙄

[tall phoenix]

we never said this was gonna be good

it was literally just: "Eh we'll see, i dont expect much"

[safe plover]

which one of us had enough hope to read it

noob....

[simple cloud]

I really expected something new in the last one

[tall phoenix]

I didnt have hope

i legit dreaded it

[tall phoenix]

Same

this is such a waste of time

[safe plover]

pfff

[tall phoenix]

the fact that you even skipped all the stories

read the last one

and was still dissapointed

speaks volumes

[runic root]

One could almost be forgiven to think black library had these laying around and was looking for the least awkward and soonest opportunity to get rid of them lol

Pure padding

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

[safe plover]

i didnt read anything

or listen to anything

[tall phoenix]

not you dingleballs

[tall phoenix]

Yeah like I legit tried to like these stories but its NOTHING but padding

[runic root]

We know....💀

[safe plover]

REGARDLESS after the fucking mess that the calth anthology was

theyre all dead to me

noooo u dont get it this story from the pov of a knife is essential to the plot

[runic root]

Thats why everyone in here loves you 🫠😘

[tall phoenix]

there is a story with a fulgurite knife in this btw

let me post my review of it

[safe plover]

no

NO

DELETE THIS

no fucking way they pulled the knife pov twice

[runic root]

Thx for sacrificing yourself, so i know what not to buy/read.

It will not be forgotten 🫡

[tall phoenix]

Fulgurite: Follows Barthusa Narrek aimlessly wandering around the wastes of Terra during the Siege, not even its aftermath as hes looking for Lorgar still to shank him with the fulg dagger, mostly filled with nothing but boring exposition of him stalking some deserter convoy of non-chaos humans until he rescues like the last 3 survivors, a storm comes and they go into some bunker to randomly meet Bile whos doing generic evil experiments on flesh golems, they talk for like 2 pages, Bile acts like a cat, his golem attacks, Narek and the now 2 humans avoid it and escape the bunker.

He ditches the humans to go find Lorgar (who was never on terra to begin with lol) using the fulg-dagger as a compass, he reaches the destination, ||SURPRISE ITS EREBUS AND HE STABS NAREK!|| He gives a Starscream speech of pity before leaving as Narek has a crashout, clutches the fulg-dagger and prepares to fight daemons approaching him while heavily bleeding out.

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Barthusa_Narek

[simple cloud]

“Constantin,” rasped the husk that had once been a man — a king, a counselor, a guide. “Constantinnnnn…..” Valdor leaned close, his skin itching from the electrical discharge that suffused the chamber, that rolled across his lord’s tortured body. “Constantinnn… the new Emperor… of Mankind… must be… Johnn… Johnnnnn… Grammaticusssssssss.”

[safe plover]

i remember him he was the guy that said the line "we are no longer bearers of the word but barers of lorgar" right?

[simple cloud]

“What the fuck,” said Constantin Valdor

[tall phoenix]

Yep

and here he is

dying like a nobody

[tall phoenix]

Wait a minute

Constantin

John...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Constantine

NO WAY

[simple cloud]

I knew someone woukd do this lmao

[safe plover]

i LOVED him in flashpoint movies

idc how badly they did

[tall phoenix]

flashpoint is fun

[simple cloud]

He’s good in Sandman (the books)

[tall phoenix]

hes up there with Hellboy as one of my favorite "paranormal detective" trope characters

[simple cloud]

Bruh I legit thought this would be a good collection

The setup seems so good

Did everyone’s imagination just fail

[tall phoenix]

I just finished System Purge and im gonna say yes it did lol

3 more...

https://tenor.com/view/ehehe-laughing-cat-cat-laughing-silly-cat-gif-16961599182308150028

[wise yew]

Take a shot every time obliterator is mentioned

[simple cloud]

Ok I know I’m being that guy here but it really annoys and confuses me that ADB uses “that” instead of “who” all over the place.

It just seems sloppy

[tall phoenix]

All writers got bad quirks

(ADBs are sometimes the worst)

[simple cloud]

Yeah I’m not really complaining he brings a lot to the table.

Honestly I maintain that McNeill is among the best at crafting balanced narratives

[tall phoenix]

Deffo.

[simple cloud]

Forges of Mars is a really satisfying trilogy.

Yeah it’s not all great and the Han Solo character is a bit much but it’s nicely crafted and doesn’t have eg Abnett’s occasional bloating of particular bits

And I honestly really remember Outcast Dead for some reason

[celest heron]

he's good in most things

its a shame the tv show failed

[simple cloud]

I feel like Haley is steadily improving as a writer.

I chose his story to read next and it’s pretty affecting so far.

[simple cloud]

God fucking damn it this Kyme story

Why do Named Characters have to be in it this isn’t a marvel comic

[tall phoenix]

DUDE KYME'S ONE IS SO BAD

[tacit raft]

this one took me hard, very sentimental. An idea of a questing knight finally finding his cryptonite. And an odd thing, a person from Dan Abbnets book continued by a different author. Im still reading through End of Ruin, but first impressions are gigachad good, still trying to grasp, accept the thing that never occured to me, that silent sisterhood is very lonely. kinda odd, dunno why it feels like that

[tall phoenix]

Yeah im sorry I didnt care 💀

the entire bunker plot was such a waste of time with Narek

him getting dunked by Erebus is also like lmfao

[safe plover]

🚬 all they had to do was RELEASE BEQUIN 3

or w/e they were gonna call it

[tall phoenix]

Speaking of

im done reading

https://tenor.com/view/druski-rage-angry-annoyed-whatever-gif-5126333390325209476

IM TIRED OF THE HORUS HERESY