I WILL say I did hate the remembrancer sub-plot of this book
#40k-book-club
safe plover
I WILL say I did hate the remembrancer sub-plot of this book
its just dan abnett giving himself self inserts
"y-yeah if i was in warhammer i'd be useful!!!!"
no you'd be dead or a servitor like everyone bro
wise yew
Hey at least it gives him
This coming from a guy that has the emotional range of again a brick is nice
tall phoenix
"y-yeah if i was in warhammer i'd be useful!!!!"
no you'd be dead or a servitor ...
The Remembrancers are more to start the lame "the emperor is a god?" argument sub-plot across the rest of the Siege books its not a self-insert.
drowsy urchin
The pain glove isn't really relevant and what gives you the impression Dorn would just let him jump or would be impassive about it
safe plover
The Remembrancers are more to start the lame "the emperor is a god?" argument su...
🚬 so why are the B,C, D characters doing it instead of keeler?
tall phoenix
B-
Because they are literally setup as an Order
💀
an Order means multiple people
safe plover
The pain glove isn't really relevant and what gives you the impression Dorn woul...
i just dont think he would even leave the startigium
drowsy urchin
doesn't he even explain the reasoning for it
tall phoenix
it helps him think
Yeah what I said.
He's in the bhab bastion for like
an entire week?
even his brain gets overloaded after thousands of hours
drowsy urchin
But Dilara he's a primarch he should be impervious to such things.....
safe plover
doesn't he even explain the reasoning for it
imma be real i lost focus after the i dont give a shit
tall phoenix
LMAO
drowsy urchin
oh
tall phoenix
I dont blame you tbh that scene is legit bad
drowsy urchin
of course
safe plover
silent sister monologue was nice tho
drowsy urchin
once again your complaints are proven moot
safe plover
😡
safe plover
oh my god i found the meme
tall phoenix
Oh my god
HE SAYS HE NEEDS A FUCKING 10 MINUTE BREAK
HES IN THE BHAB BASTION FOR THOUSANDS OF HOURS
THATS BASICALLY ALREADY NOT LEAVING
safe plover
hes a primarch sweaty
drowsy urchin
die
safe plover
he doesnt need to do anything
tall phoenix
Hes still human to some degree
he needs to shove his Imperial Fist up your ass
👊
cmere
safe plover
im good thanks
tall phoenix
too late
safe plover
ill jump off
tall phoenix
open up
LMAO
Jokes aside this is also coming from me btw, a literal Imperial Fist/Dorn hater
i think hes boring as fuck but i still get why he does the stuff he does in this book
drowsy urchin
he even explicitly says that if he has a break it'll help him immensely for the upcoming hours instead of just sitting there hyperfocusing on the same stuff without breaks
safe plover
he even explicitly says that if he has a break it'll help him immensely for the ...
bro had a smoke on a balcony 💀
tall phoenix
Slenderman attempting to kill himself is funny af though
this is like THE most "calm" part of the Siege
drowsy urchin
relatable
tall phoenix
same
mental cobalt
I like that perturabo can admit that only dorn use to beat him in games they would play and that he learned the taking some time to think strategy from him.
tall phoenix
Yeah that was a part i also really liked
mental cobalt
Yeah that was a part i also really liked
Here's a head scratcher. Did Perturabo manipulate Abbadon into believing he saw flaw in Saturnine wall
tall phoenix
Im pretty sure that was actually outright said in the novel with Abaddon realising that was the case and getting mad at Perty saying hes gonna kill him for it lol
mental cobalt
I feel like Abbadon saying it helped make it make sense
Perty isn't gonna miss anything
tall phoenix
He calls Perty "The Lord of Iron? MORE LIKE THE LORD OF SHIT."
peak writing.
@dusk dome
Basically Kargos spends the entire book trying to hunt down and kill Amit
becaues they had some history together or whatever
and its just a normal MCU scene where they just fight and Amit kills him
Its kinda funny because Kargos expects this to be like an Metal Gear bossfight scene
where they are gonna share ideals, argue THEN fight
but Amit doesnt care lol
tall phoenix
Its very goofy but like its classic marine/marine stuff
it doesnt really go anywhere so dont think too much about it
Kargos is just another generic world eater
shy lark
amit my oomfie 🫡
dusk dome
Fair enough I spouse
tall phoenix
Yeah its just Good Guy vs Bad Guy shit nothing biggy
dusk dome
I hope they show off some cool world eater stuff tonight, I need more to work with
tall phoenix
dusk dome
<:copium:852682440337129482>
That’s actually just given me a hell of an idea
Thank you Dilara
tall phoenix
🫡
shy lark
or horus the little boy with daddy issues
runic root
but Amit doesnt care lol
A real Sigismund/Rogal Dorn moment.
"The time for speeches is done. They are comming. Kill them all". #do what you do best, Siggi. HURT THEM. Still one of the hardest lines in the HH. Kharns duel against Siggi is in the same veine as Amit vs Kargos
runic root
are we sure he wasnt supposed to be a thousand son?
Too much anger
runic root
Is this a romance all of a sudden?
How does that old addage go? "Youll never find something gayer than a room of unsupervised straight men". This seems to be amplified by factor 10 for space marines.... 🙃😅
drowsy urchin
Finished Nemesis the other day. Been a while since I listened to a Heresy book and really enjoyed it. Although I do not regret skipping it the first time around given how it really has nothing to do with anything in the rest of the series, but I liked learning about the assassination attempt after the fact
Enjoyable characters albeit some of the actions felt a bit odd for members of such a highly indoctrinated organization and being the top of the line operatives for their representative glades
Spear was also very neat
unborn merlin
<@624276810233806858>
Bruh I laughed my ass off when I got to this part.
unborn merlin
Really bizarre seeing the very calculated and serious Amit in EoE to this version where he just tells everyone to eat shit.
tall phoenix
its really goofy
i hate it when they just make characters constantly say "shit" in these books lol
unborn merlin
So fucking funny hearing Keeble tell someone to eat shit thirty times in a span of ten minutes.
His opponent could be saying some deeply poetic stuff about the universe and he'll just tell them to eat a bag of dicks.
10/10 writing.
tall phoenix
So fucking funny hearing Keeble tell someone to eat shit thirty times in a span ...
YES LMFAO
the word shit is said 65 times in the book i think
reef nacelle
"I need to read something a little different, what about that horror book from Peter Ferhavari I picked up a while ago"
15 minutes in: "This is a space marine book isn't it?"
30 minutes in: "Fuck"
drowsy urchin
That image is actually hilarious, but in the context of the book it's fine
drowsy urchin
you tend to hate the most mundane things yes
safe plover
🙄 yes primarchs shouldnt do mundane things
primarchs have better catalepsean nodes they dont need to sleep
drowsy urchin
tall phoenix
they gotta be relatable to the audience
remember these are basically marketed towards people in their 20's or so lol
safe plover
no they dont!!!
drowsy urchin
being relatable doesn't mean they're supposed to be self inserts cmon now
safe plover
who actually can not only fly with his wings but also with his super brain power that isnt even discussed in the books
drowsy urchin
on a side note, about half way through the Red Tithe. Has been very enjoyable so far
drowsy urchin
The young arbitrator wanting to prove herself forcing herself to a mission only it to become the most harrowing thing any of them has encountered was very fun
It's about the Space Sharks
safe plover
i think theyre cringe
drowsy urchin
they're fine in this books at least
safe plover
any bullshit psyker shark powers?
drowsy urchin
No, but a lot of sea and slightly shark adjacent names for things
safe plover
ok thats fine then
i mostly dislike the bullshit with summoning warp jaws to eat people
drowsy urchin
also the main bad in the book are Night Lords which is always a blast
safe plover
like a night lords warband or what?
drowsy urchin
yes
safe plover
arent they all mostly corrupted? why do they care about keeping prisoners?
safe plover
oh nvm i misread the wiki entry
drowsy urchin
The wiki probably spoils the book so wouldn't read that too far
safe plover
they just have the cover description
drowsy urchin
But anyways, both sides are basically trying to out hunt each others' and it's very fun to listen through, both sides being similar in doctrine but with different practices/tactics
both sides are also in the locale for the same reasons
tall phoenix
on a side note, about half way through the Red Tithe. Has been very enjoyable so...
The best part with the Shark books is that the shit you are reading now actually carries over to the next books lol
which is like very rare for non-series warhammer novels
drowsy urchin
I figured the two are pretty close in story but hadn't looked it up
I can guess how but don't want to know
just yet
tall phoenix
:)))
tall phoenix
arent they all mostly corrupted? why do they care about keeping prisoners?
both seeking a single young inmate with unnatural talents, the corridors run red, and both factions will have to fight tooth and claw to leave Zartak alive.
Almost like this is a premise and you gotta read the book to find out!!!
drowsy urchin
the premise did kinda make me think The Predator
||"oh no it's the boy-autismo again"||
tall phoenix
man Silent Hunters is so fucking bad
lmao
I really hope that author gets fired or something, his novels so far have all been dreadful
drowsy urchin
Oh I didn't know that that book had that trope going for it too
I thought about the movie The Predator
drowsy urchin
I've not read any Carcharodon books prior this one
tall phoenix
like, he basically has autism and can see "warp doors" or some shit as his mom helps him along with the space sharks to commorragh
drowsy urchin
would've been wild then to have TWO space shark books with that trope lmao
tall phoenix
and then they go to commorragh for some mcguffin, ||5 marines take on like an entire dark eldar kabal of hundreds of gooners and somehow kill them all, they fight lelith hesperax, almost half the cast dies because lol, then at the end of the book i forgot but the mcguffin was a ruse or some shit and the sharks kill themselves over it and wow another 40k book where the mcguffin was nothing and everyone gets gooned, tell me something original.||
drowsy urchin
tall phoenix
It also has egregious shit like how apparently you can avoid being eaten by Slaanesh as an Eldar if you are a crackhead/imbued with a ton of psychedelic drugs so she spits you out???
drowsy urchin
such is life in the grim darkness of the far future
tall phoenix
such is life in the grim darkness of the far future
Lelith confronts the mom right
and fucking says:
"I dont like breeders."
man its... a book, i have not met a single person that liked it, deffo just stick to these
drowsy urchin
lmao
drowsy urchin
"I dont like breeders."
fair though
tall phoenix
Its legit terrible, when you finish these id HIGHLY suggest reading a summary of it by shaskais
its very funny for that alone imo
it doesnt really have the cool "Asshole Psychos on an adventure" like these novels do
reef nacelle
It also has egregious shit like how apparently you can avoid being eaten by Slaa...
The god of sex, drugs and rock n roll spitting you back out because you're too hardcore 
tall phoenix
😭
unborn merlin
on a side note, about half way through the Red Tithe. Has been very enjoyable so...
Almost done with it coincidentally. Not really a fan of how the audiobook is formatted but it's a solid book overall, also love my bat bois so it's nice to see them just be completely evil for the fun of it.
drowsy urchin
What do you mean by how it's formatted? As in the little snippets from the inquisitor in the middle of chapters or?
I've really really liked the narrator though, first I've heard of him
unborn merlin
What do you mean by how it's formatted? As in the little snippets from the inqui...
Idk I found it a little confusing to follow? Like usually the audiobooks will tell you when a new chapter is happening or have a nice pause in-between a POV change.
Felt like the longer it went on I was kind of getting confused if I was following the Carcharodons or NL since it's shifting between the both of them pretty frequently.
It doesn't take away my enjoyment from the book tho.
drowsy urchin
Fair, I got lost when the first POV change happened but I've kept track pretty well after it
unborn merlin
I had kinda hoped there was going to be more background info about the Carcharodons as well.
Like I know very little about them and the book didn't really elaborate very much about them outside of oh they're like loyalist NLs but are instead shark bois and super quiet when they kill.
Idk if more is elaborated on in the next book. Overall a pretty entertaining book.
The setting and atmosphere is hella cool too.
drowsy urchin
there has been lots of new tidbits for me already but I can see wanting more
unborn merlin
They seem to have the whole blood rage thing going similar to the BA and some of the intimidation factor with the NL. I think they're canonically a Raven Guard successor chapter right?
Didn't really get that impression besides maybe the black eyes and being a little sneaky.
drowsy urchin
I don't know which chapter they originate from at the top of my head but I just interpreted the 'blindness' as a nod to the way real sharks cover their eyes when they attack their prey, thus being blind at the moment of impact 
tall phoenix
They seem to have the whole blood rage thing going similar to the BA and some of...
They are basically Raven Guard successors in all but name yeah its just never said outright but theres like dozens of hints post-Imperial Armor/Badab
drowsy urchin
they're the successors of the fish marines (double meaning), the 2nd lost legion
tall phoenix
uaaghghgh
reef nacelle
They might not even be RG succesors but descendents of original RG sent off to die by Corvus
tall phoenix
That essentially also technically makes them Successors so
but yeah its just a case of "we arent saying it but yes they are"
its very on the nose with it in some material
reef nacelle
It is 2% more interesting though
drowsy urchin
Exile bros stay suffering ✊😔
drowsy urchin
time to run these heretics ashore and atone for our forgotten sins
walk the plank with ye
get devoured by the great white
tall phoenix
drowsy urchin
they should go harder with the sea themes
unborn merlin
They are basically Raven Guard successors in all but name yeah its just never sa...
Thought as much. That's so Blood Ravens core 
tall phoenix
they should go harder with the sea themes
THEY LITERALLY SUMMON PSYCHIC SHARKS TO EAT PEOPLE
drowsy urchin
Blood Ravens is gay
This is such a platitude, every space marine chapter is gay
drowsy urchin
THEY LITERALLY SUMMON PSYCHIC SHARKS TO EAT PEOPLE
uh, spoilers
tall phoenix
uaaaghhh
tall phoenix
uh, spoilers
the shark themed chapter does shark themed stuff
who woulda thunk
you whiny ass
drowsy urchin
I'm gonna summon a psychic whinger to whinge at your ear for the rest of times
tall phoenix
🦻 🔇
unborn merlin
You're just angry they stole Chapter Master of the Fish Marines Big Chungus' left pauldron in that one book.
tall phoenix
drowsy urchin
the psychic whinge goes straight to your mind
tall phoenix
guh
frigid osprey
i liked the mcniven carcharodons books they were some of the first ones i read
so it was like a big poggers moment the whole time
frigid osprey
oh i didnt read Death Warrant
frigid osprey
yeah. cause theyre expensive for what they are!
drowsy urchin
Yeah, it's the reaping time
frigid osprey
im gonna reapppppp!!
frigid osprey
unborn merlin
I can use those eight bucks to buy cheese sticks. You're asking a lot here
safe plover
THEY LITERALLY SUMMON PSYCHIC SHARKS TO EAT PEOPLE
this is so cringe
like if they just kept it to them hunting in the deep void of space id be more intrested tbh
unborn merlin
To be fair, something similar happens in Fury of Magnus with a Space Wolves librarian and a Salamander.
The whole summoning psychic Digimon is a common enough occurrence in the setting (even if it is pretty dumb).
royal egret
It’s about as dumb as someone being a giant red cyclops wizard
unborn merlin
Imagine having one eye. What a dork.
royal egret
No wonder he and Russ could never see eye to eyes.
unborn merlin
tall phoenix
It’s about as dumb as someone being a giant red cyclops wizard
Theres nothing wrong with some things in warhammer being dumber than other stuff, there doesnt need to be some balance that needs to exist.
tall phoenix
The whole summoning psychic Digimon is a common enough occurrence in the setting...
Also agreed it was legit so goofy, what redeemed it for me was the ||Sally cutting the wolf's hand off since he didnt wanna let go like its some Overwatch ult to kill Magnus ||
tall phoenix
lmfao god
royal egret
Theres nothing wrong with some things in warhammer being dumber than other stuff...
And yet a giant red cyclops wizard who leads a legion of wizards attacking his dads basement through a door to space hell is about as “dumb” as worlds spirits.
tall phoenix
And yet a giant red cyclops wizard who leads a legion of wizards attacking his d...
And yet my point stands, some things are dumber than others
royal egret
Ok, doesn’t apply here
royal egret
I’m not saying stuff just to say it, they’re both pretty dumb if you break them down
They both also equally work within the rules of the universe
tall phoenix
I mean yeah but again, they are proportions to these things lol
Like i dont really get why disliking a goofy magic thing is suppose to be a bad thing.
royal egret
Yes and their proportions are about equally silly
tall phoenix
Ehhh depends on the person tbh.
You deem it about as equally bad but if i asked someone else they would disagree.
royal egret
I never said you’re not allowed to dislikes a goofy magic thing
I said it’s about as dumb as Magnus’s whole deal, magic stuff always gets wacky especially at the higher levels
My enjoyment of it varies but the scene worked for what it was despite how silly it was
Similar to the climax of the Ahriman trilogy
Whereas stuff like Mephistons stuff, or a lot of Khayon stuff I tend to think is just dumb.
tall phoenix
Okay but again, it depends from person to person like I also said. I dont really see why this point needs to be defended so vehemently, people can find something more goofy than the other, a setting like 40k having comedically silly elements doesnt take away from the fact that it very much also tries to be serious at the same time when writing scenes in novels like this, people clown on them for that reason.
tall phoenix
Whereas stuff like Mephistons stuff, or a lot of Khayon stuff I tend to think is...
Like going by your example I can just say Mephiston doing a "za warudo" is not goofy because the setting has matching tone-wise things to it lol
royal egret
I’m not defending it vehemently, I said they’re both about as silly and the other guy agreed. People are free to agree or not, it’s all opinions
Psyker stuff working or not largely is just if the writing is compelling, I always bring up that a lot of my favorite books have some of the dumbest shit ever
But it’s well done so it works
The College Immaterium is a complete left field asspull but it’s well done and it’s fun so I don’t care, plus the book has other wacky stuff and it’s setup well.
Same with a lot of Eisenhorn stuff tbh
unborn merlin
And yet my point stands, some things are dumber than others
Honestly I think we need more Yu-Gi-Oh duels 
tall phoenix
I mean this goes back to the first point "I dont care" ,cool but some people do. This isnt that deep of an argument, so like at the end of the day your opinion on it doesnt stop it from being a very semi-comedic magic trick scene either way.
tall phoenix
Honestly I think we need more Yu-Gi-Oh duels <:meguuuevil:1033136274292351087>
I had enough of that augghgh
unborn merlin
tall phoenix
I just want Clad to get to the End and the Death already
hes already breaking in Saturnine
he needs to suffer and be broken
(even tho i think Sat is a good book minus some bits)
unborn merlin
Saturnine was probably my favorite SoT novel. That or EoE.
The rest is a mix bag for me personally.
tall phoenix
The only parts i hated were the dumb religious debate chapters but otherwise its a really good one.
no Slenderman/Keeler I dont care if the emperor is a god or not
unborn merlin
Aur that's fair. It has been done to death.
tall phoenix
I think its a good idea but theres just so many chapters of it.
royal egret
I mean this goes back to the first point "I dont care" ,cool but some people do....
If they’re so fragile that me saying that it’s an inherently wacky setting is that big a deal then they probably shouldn’t be online at all.
tall phoenix
If they’re so fragile that me saying that it’s an inherently wacky setting is th...
Its not really about being fragile, you are also the one jumping into its defense when you can just accept some people dont like it.
like this again goes very much both ways.
royal egret
People disagreed with my takes all the time, I don’t go crying to the mods about it.
unborn merlin
I was completely blown away by all the Olly and the frontline stuff. Shit had me in tears ||when the Sister of Silence knowingly charges at Angron knowing it wouldn't do shit lmao||.
Great stuff 
royal egret
They’re entitled to their opinion and I’m entitled to disagree or in this case just say it’s relative
tall phoenix
People disagreed with my takes all the time, I don’t go crying to the mods about...
Thats more due to your attitude than the topic in question
"they are dumbasses"
tall phoenix
I was completely blown away by all the Olly and the frontline stuff. Shit had me...
I was about to mention Oll lmao
I think his chapters are ok
could be cut a bit short
royal egret
Saturnine will always be the best siege/heresy book for me
It’s basically exactly what I wanted out of the siege
unborn merlin
I thought it was one of the better attempts to reestablish the lore.
tall phoenix
Yeah again it can just use some cut of fat.
royal egret
And it annoys me that so many of them couldn’t do what it did
tall phoenix
And it annoys me that so many of them couldn’t do what it did
what annoys me is like
"we worked together for the entire series"
no you didnt lol
unborn merlin
Like yeah, it makes sense that all these events would later turn into fables. Hella cool.
tall phoenix
its just empty marketing talk
royal egret
I hate how like, there’s sooo much shit they could cram in there
And they insist on these dogshit b plots
tall phoenix
Yeah and all we get half the time is people just talking about shit in empty rooms.
like i get it you cant always have us be at the walls watching the fighting but jesus man
I DONT CARE ABOUT YOUR STUPID JOURNALISM SUBPLOT
😭
tall phoenix
Like yeah, it makes sense that all these events would later turn into fables. He...
I think my favorite parts with these books releasing was people being mad at the Ollanius Pious story being "ruined"
like him being immortal was never gonna matter, Horus was a superbeing he would always perma-kill him somehow
(now what annoys me is they never say if hes permadead, only that he claw-swiped him )
tall phoenix
ONE SENTENCE of Oll's soul was ripped to oblivion from Horus' claw swipe being imbued with the powers of the immaterium or something would have done it
i assume they'll maybe wrap it up in the anthology? Abnett has a story segment so we'll see i guess
unborn merlin
Tune into SoT anthology story #12 to learn more I guess 
We both know that's going to be a Grammaticus story. Don't kid yourself.
unborn merlin
Unless it's some we have Dante's Inferno at home kind of story I don't expect very much to come of it.
Just assuming Horus was so chaos juiced up that he was able to utterly destroy him with that one swipe.
Definitely one of the weaker parts of that book.
royal egret
It’s annoying cause the vignettes in part 1 are so good
And it’s a really cool section
unborn merlin
Part 1 was definitely the strongest out of the three for me.
tall phoenix
We said it a thousand times here but yeah the 3 books are great there is just so much fat because Kyme didnt do his job as an editor lol
royal egret
I don’t even mind the length but it needed more happening, way more
tall phoenix
also Abnett uses the same apocalypthic imagery a bit too much, its cool the first time
royal egret
More characters and stuff going on
And not all the same “warp door opens and we’re somewhere else”
tall phoenix
https://tenor.com/view/bart-say-the-line-gif-22118591
"It was our end and our death"
"SAMUS IS THE METROIDVANIA BEHIND YOU, SAMUS ARAN IS THE WAIFU BESIDE YOU"
SHUT THE FUCK UP
royal egret
Also it really really needed a fallout part
For the final book
They really needed to end with the Emperor on the throne
And Guilliman landing
tall phoenix
yeah thats all for the anthology i guess
if it isnt there im legit gonna be mad lol
tall phoenix
guh
tall phoenix
Dude thought he cooked.
I love Abnett but there is parts where you wanna hit em with a frying pan
royal egret
He just needs any editor like anyone else
tall phoenix
I mean
royal egret
And he didn’t have one
tall phoenix
he had one
unborn merlin
Can't wait for the new Primarch books about them stopping at McDonald's for soft serve before heading to Terra.
tall phoenix
you remember what the editor said to him right
royal egret
He did but he didn’t
tall phoenix
"Write as much as you want"
wow thanks
wanna do your job dipshit?
sees its Kyme
"nevermind"
royal egret
Overall though, I liked it, it did the important beats well which is what I wanted.
God more of Abnett writing Ferrus which was nice.
unborn merlin
Neverkyme you could say 
unborn merlin
Seeing ghost Ferrus was a highlight. Dude was a prick even after death.
That said it just opens up more opportunities to bring back dead Primarchs in some capacity so I'm iffy about that.
tall phoenix
I think he was a bit too nice imo
i assumed it was a daemonic trick at first
like the "take my head back please" bit was good
but he was way too cheery for me
its why i was unsure if he was real
royal egret
That said it just opens up more opportunities to bring back dead Primarchs in so...
If they wanna bring them back tbh there’s nothing that’s gonna stop them
tall phoenix
also that yeah
the Warp entirely exists for narrative excuses
its entirely possible lol
royal egret
I doubt we ever see Sanguinius or Ferrus back though
royal egret
Tbh I liked that stuff
royal egret
Until it got overdone but the idea was sick
It made the stakes clear
How fucked everything was
Abnett does weird shit like that well
And describes it well
unborn merlin
At least let Ferrus be in charge of the Legion of the Damned if that's the case. Just go full schlock at that point.
tall phoenix
i think its the result of like minus Fehervari almost no author actually explores that the Warp would cause paranormal creepy events like this.
Its always meatwalls or creepy daemonic structures with tentacles.
royal egret
Yeah
royal egret
At least let Ferrus be in charge of the Legion of the Damned if that's the case....
My thing is, if he has to come back, I don’t want him talking to anyone, Revenant Ferrus would be ok for me.
Same for Sanguinius
unborn merlin
Fehervari is great at that stuff. His NL short story about them getting recruits is such a cool spin on them.
royal egret
They should be forces of nature that don’t actually interact outside of fights
It also lets the Imperium have big dudes who can “die”
Which imo they need
unborn merlin
My thing is, if he has to come back, I don’t want him talking to anyone, Revenan...
Honestly fair
I definitely don't need a 15 hr book about ghost Ferrus getting his groove back.
Not much urgency there.
royal egret
The IH chapter is built on knowingly rejecting his ideals.
Revering and respecting him, but thinking he was wrong, and imperfect.
Having him be a revenant who shows up sometimes would be fine by me though
It’s a cool image and LotD are cool imo, just gotta use them sparingly
unborn merlin
"You'll be visited by three spirits..."
royal egret
IH somehow end up with the most healthy primarch relationship despite it still being super fucked
Also, Sor Talgron getting his scene and his whole arc finished was not what I expected
Of all the people to get it
I kept thinking we might get Malcharion
tall phoenix
To be fair Abnett did say he tried to include an ending to essentially everyone.
One of the reasons why the book is so bloated for good and bad reasons imo
royal egret
At its core they mostly did a good job wrapping stuff up, but it should have been at most two books
simple cloud
Yeah it’s some end of the return of the king movie shit lol
Me waking up to another day of Darktide lore chat
simple cloud
https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-11021732997245168553
Lmao this gif
I have an Iranian colleague and we’re always randomly calling shit haram
runic root
This chat is the equivalent of that moody chick in 9th grade. Sometimes she is all bubbly and happy go lucky, drowning you in an informative/inspirational speech about world peace and happieness only for her to abruptly turn on a dime 5 minutes later, whip out the black lipstick and glare at you for the next 45 minutes only to then resume the happy go lucky persona out of the blue....
severe trail
Anyone have any Savlar Chem dog books or short stories
royal egret
I know there’s some but I can’t recall the names off the top of my head
Iirc one of the horror shorts is one
tall phoenix
Anyone have any Savlar Chem dog books or short stories
They got no meaningful appearance in anything tbh.
severe trail
Fuck
tall phoenix
this short story is prob the best you'll get very recent but EXTREMELY well written.
tall phoenix
👍
it feels like an excerpt from a larger novel ironically
the savlar in it are complete assholes, its funny as fuck
shy lark
I was mildly disappointed by how little the Savlar showed up in Baneblade
royal egret
One day
I have come to steal anything not nailed down, and do hard drugs.
And I already stole everything
severe trail
lol
random marlin
this short story is prob the best you'll get very recent but EXTREMELY well writ...
Now I have to read it! Also enjoyed Finest Hour recently, even if it wasn't as good as The Sum of its parts as an Astra Militarum short story.
tall phoenix
Yeah its a handful of pages anyway but showcases how Savlar are like really well
a rare case of me actually recommending a warhammer Short in any capacity lol
frigid osprey
Anyone have any Savlar Chem dog books or short stories
theres a Savlar guy in guy haley's Baneblade
which is a pretty sick book generally
oh it was mentioned above already
shy lark
The intro where the baneblade is forged is very good
forest spruce
how is the horus heresey collection vol 1 for the horus heresey, got a buddy who wants to get into HH
late lance
I was hoping to start reading 40k books. I was wondering if that can be done with a book from Necromunda. If yes, which one? Are there any easy to read Necromunda books?
frigid osprey
ive never read any necromunda books
i suspect its much easier to start with actual 40k
start with Eisenhorn its poggers
assuming you mean novels anyway!!
otherwise get some of the necromunda rule books cause they have tons of background
tall phoenix
I was hoping to start reading 40k books. I was wondering if that can be done wit...
If you specifically want books id recommend:
- Uprising
- Fire Made Flesh
- Terminal Overkill
late lance
If you specifically want books id recommend:
- Uprising
- Fire Made Flesh
- Term...
Aside from books, what other form of content are there?
late lance
otherwise get some of the necromunda rule books cause they have tons of backgrou...
I'm assuming the rulebooks are primarily about how to play the game and whatnots. Why are there so many of them?
(https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necromunda_Rulebooks_and_Expansions_(List))
Sorry, this kind of hobby is completely unfamiliar for where I am from. I don't know what the whole tabletop games in general.
I understand the tabletop components get balance changes over time like video games... and units get added.
But why are there so many books per edition.
drowsy urchin
All of them have lots of lore as well, the reason there are so many is that each of them are for different scenarios/campaigns and/or factions
and every faction usually has their own rulebook
late lance
1st edition has 4 books and 2nd has 1. Is it due to fluctuation of popularity?
Also, are the older editions outdated now (lore-wise).
drowsy urchin
they're not
late lance
they're not
So worth reading? Or, information got retconned or something?
drowsy urchin
I can't say for sure, I've not read the original ones but what I know of they're just as valid as the current ones. The current ones probably just retread lot of the same lore that was originally released with the first edition books
but there is a lot new stuff as well
and the reason why there were less books is because the faction rules were contained in the main rule book and they weren't updated before the next edition
unless some were added in White Dwarf or something
which is a monthly magazine release Games Workshop does
severe trail
So worth reading? Or, information got retconned or something?
Older edition core rule books aren’t worn it for munda
The lore is just
Different
Delaque, Goliath and Van Saar all have pretty different tones
runic root
Little unrelated side tanget since all the few people of the Server i care about are in here: i just noticed that YouTube shorts now fields an ad every 3rd Video instead of every 5th. The greedy bastards are getting desperate...
Anyways, back to lore.
What is y'alls thoughts about the ventris sixtology? I love it
tall phoenix
Its a very good one, Ventris is a fun dude
i do love how his series starts with him being a dipshit before he gets traumatized from being unbirthed in a flesh-bag 💀
reef nacelle
Little unrelated side tanget since all the few people of the Server i care about...
Only through 4 of them so far, I'm a fan. None of the anti-blueberry brigade have read these books lol
runic root
i do love how his series starts with him being a dipshit before he gets traumati...
Funniest scene was at the end of the book leading to black sun dead Sky where He and passanius fought a greater deamon and there was nothing they could do lol..
Friggen helpless.
runic root
Just goes to show that you need librarians, Inquisitor hacks or some other wacky shit in order to deal with them...
Unless you have a batallion of tanks. Then you just shoot it with all barrels the moment it spawns on the battlefield 🫣
runic root
Only through 4 of them so far, I'm a fan. None of the anti-blueberry brigade hav...
The anti blueberry brigade is merely the anti matt wardt brigade and those who always jump on any convenient hate bandwaggon in order to upkeep their moral superiority
simple cloud
The anti blueberry brigade is merely the anti matt wardt brigade and those who a...
Easily manipulated? Generally unpleasant? I’ve found my people.
safe plover
" pok h’chal"
bro WHAT
why is the name of the dish relevant
the book is already 100 pages too long
dan,,,,,,,,
royal egret
What are you grousing about now
runic root
What are you grousing about now
Whatever it is, just tell him legion is good and enjoy him falling into a frienzy that would make a world eater proud lol
royal egret
He didn’t even read it so his opinion on Legion isn’t valid
shy lark
naur man not legion
safe plover
What are you grousing about now
saturnine
royal egret
Knew it
safe plover
its not bad just has a few WHY IS THAT HERE lines
tall phoenix
to be fair
that is like a requirement with Abnett Siege stuff
most of it is good
some parts are "why is this here"
I hope you'll like the Erda stuff (:
royal egret
If you removed Abnetts name from the cover he’d be in love
safe plover
If you removed Abnetts name from the cover he’d be in love
ill have you know i started bitching before i noticed
tall phoenix
You will stand ready for Abnett's arrival worm
safe plover
I was NOT given orders
tall phoenix
safe plover
i was NOT given time
royal egret
It’s the best Siege book and I really really like a lot of the later siege books
runic root
i was NOT given time
Even if you were given both you'd still have refused lmao
royal egret
https://tenor.com/view/paulie-gualtieri-paul-tony-sirico-wtf-finger-gif-22816998
It goes Saturnine, Echoes, Warhawk for me
safe plover
HE KEEPS DOING IT
"Erda was tall, by any human standards. He’d forgotten that about her. She
wore a simple, floor-length thob of indigo cotton,"
safe plover
It goes Saturnine, Echoes, Warhawk for me
do you know what thob means?
royal egret
do you know what thob means?
Isn’t it like a cloak or something
Or is this a slur I don’t know
safe plover
it means DRESS
tall phoenix
"Erda was tall, by any human standards. He’d forgotten that about her. She
wore ...
to be fair, massive improvement over "she was wearing a skintight suit"
safe plover
why the fuck would he just not say that
its just arabic for dress
i feel like dan is writing books just to fuck with me
tall phoenix
its to sound intellectual tbh, not much beyond that
safe plover
to be fair, massive improvement over "she was wearing a skintight suit"
hey hey HEY
how about she can wear whatever she wants ok?
final adder
are the physical copies of the space shark novels no longer in production?
tall phoenix
I dont think so? Their "oldest" book is from 2017
final adder
Thats unfortunate
tall phoenix
lmao
final adder
Got my gf into 40k and she wanted to read them
final adder
Yeah but she can't stand reading ebooks though, as her preference
tall phoenix
welp her loss i guess
its either that or buying expensive secondhand ones from ebay
shy lark
I think they're on audible if she can stand audiobooks
reef nacelle
Reading 40k and not using digital formats is painful
tall phoenix
mood lol
safe plover
holy shit i already hate erda
||"erm ur a fake perpetual your opinion doesnt matter"||
||"the emperor is moving things too fast and thats wrong because uhhhhh"||
tbh she comes off as horney for him and mad because he was busy at work
her house is full of every female goddess representation and she compares him to every male god
royal egret
I took her as just an example of how arrogant perpetuals often are, a lot of the things she criticizes, rightly, the Emperor for she also exhibits
mental cobalt
not everything has to be a physical book
Actually they do
Physical books are the only way I can focus. Plus we spend too much time staring at screens enough as it is
Paperback forever 
royal egret
Weak and undisciplined
mental cobalt
cerulean peak
Rannick pls
tall phoenix
holy shit i already hate erda
Her segments were like universally hated when the book came out lmao
cerulean peak
The least intimidating inquisition member
royal egret
Rannick pls
It’s the haircut
safe plover
Her segments were like universally hated when the book came out lmao
worst part is i think shes making me like gramaticus now
cerulean peak
worst part is i think shes making me like gramaticus now
If you like grammy read Legion
safe plover
my hate for legion outweighs all
royal egret
John is legit still just as worse
Just as worse
cerulean peak
Does grammaticus gets worse as the series progress? He wasn't that bad in legion
Does he even comes back before the siege of terra?
tall phoenix
Just as worse
Awful character. Destroy him.
tall phoenix
Does grammaticus gets worse as the series progress? He wasn't that bad in legio...
Yeah he does.
His problem is like-
he legit feels like a marvel character in a 40k book
safe plover
Does grammaticus gets worse as the series progress? He wasn't that bad in legio...
yes
tall phoenix
saying shitty one liners, acting all cocky, being a clueless idiot, you actually can make an entire essay on it
safe plover
a lot worse
tall phoenix
in Legion hes fine, he just gets really worse as the series goes on
cerulean peak
He was clueless indeed
safe plover
at the very end he ends up in a cave fucking around for all of time
he got primarched
hes just lost in a cave somewhere doing something with rope and feathers of sangui
i havent read it yet but im sure its stupid
tall phoenix
Hes essentially stuck in a timeloop
id explain but i hate timey-wimey shit, someone else do it
cerulean peak
It's ok, they'll develop his story in the 100 novels Scouring series
mental cobalt
id explain but i hate timey-wimey shit, someone else do it
Time is a circle
tall phoenix
why cant they do a series on the great crusade
they did
its called the fucking Black Books
READ.
safe plover
huh
damn
im pretty sure i asked about here before but no one asnwered me
"The core campaign books of the Horus Heresy Series, known informally among fans as the "Black Books," are black in colour and leather-bound with embossed metal"
campaign?
ew
tall phoenix
im gonna smash your legs with a sledgehammer
tall phoenix
that shit is impossible to find anyways
You can literally find all 13 of them for free on the internet lol
lazy ass punk ass
safe plover
ye i know
but i dont wanna read rule books
its a slippery slope
first im reading rule books then im painting kill teams then im painting them
safe plover
is it not well founded?
tall phoenix
I mean no it isnt
you do realise half of this setting's lore comes from rulebooks right
tall phoenix
I was trying to be nice but yeah lmao
royal egret
They’re also “rulebooks”
Like that’s one section at the end
The lore is all its own thing mostly
So stop being a pussy and read them dork
tall phoenix
One day we'll burn this guy at the stake
severe trail
lets not do that
royal egret
severe trail
tall phoenix
get him my legionaries
tall phoenix
As a muslim i approve 🪨
runic root
why the fuck would he just not say that
Welcome to the writing/wording for 40k, where every writer to a degree neeeds to pretend that they are clever with words, some do it better some worse (looking at you, Thorpe...)
runic root
not everything has to be a physical book
runic root
its either that or buying expensive secondhand ones from ebay
Thats should be punishable by drukhari torture
runic root
tbh she comes off as horney for him and mad because he was busy at work
So the typical woman then?
runic root
Paperback forever <a:nod:1124379398867521647>
We're friends now lol
runic root
John is legit still just as worse
Ive only ever read about him in legion, where He didnt bother me too much
runic root
my hate for legion outweighs all
Once youre dead imma burry you with a physical copy of legion so you stay dead lol
runic root
he got primarched
Lets hope GW forgets about him and doesnt dust him off later
runic root
One day we'll burn this guy at the stake
As charming as ever. Dishing out the armenian treatment
runic root
As a muslim i approve 🪨
We're getting cancelled with this one lol
safe plover
So the typical woman then?
oh nonononono NONONO dont say what were all thinking
safe plover
Once youre dead imma burry you with a physical copy of legion so you stay dead l...
i will literally wake up to tear it up
runic root
oh nonononono NONONO dont say what were all thinking
I am german. Stating the obvious is my profession
runic root
i will literally wake up to tear it up
Lets put that theory to the test shall we 🫣💀
safe plover
meet half way in austria?
runic root
meet half way in austria?
Sure. Thats Germany light anyway lol
safe plover
ye
runic root
But btw where are you from?
safe plover
im from the middle east but staying in hungary rn
runic root
Jonapot
runic root
it fucking SUCKS
Tell me all about it lol
runic root
im from the middle east but staying in hungary rn
My family has a house there. I visit it every summer. Beautiful country
runic root
berlin aside
Berlin can burn. Godforsaken hellhole
runic root
what about the issuesituation has it effected you?
What exactly do you mean?
safe plover
making a joke
runic root
making a joke
Bruh i am german. I would not recognize a Joke If it hit me in the head lol. i would report it to the police though
safe plover
Bruh i am german. I would not recognize a Joke If it hit me in the head lol. i w...
you refered to the entire region as a country so i made a joke refering to a hypergeneralized issue that would apply to everything
weak basin
Mein gott
weak basin
Berlin can burn. Godforsaken hellhole
Its not so bad
Frankfurt is just worse in every way
shy lark
I only passed through Berlin once on the way to Poland in the mid 2000s but I wasn't particularly impressed
weak basin
Yeah visually it isnt anything, since a lot of it has been rebuilt. If anyone likes it, its because of the social climate
and döner
shy lark
I do like currywurst, I'll give it that
but the town I went to in Poland was like 50% roofed at the time
village really
safe plover
I only passed through Berlin once on the way to Poland in the mid 2000s but I wa...
Berlin central my behated....
hearty niche
There's a battle beast spin off from invincible apparently?
royal egret
Yeah
tall phoenix
The best part is its also very successful lol
hearty niche
We're also getting a starship troopers adaptation made by guy who directed district 9 gonna be a sony/Columbia movie
hearty niche
I haven't seen any of his films I don't think but district 9
tall phoenix
you are missing out
Chapplie and Elysium are super good
he definitely has a knack for cool sci-fi shit
tall phoenix
They arent high fiction but they are real good mindless grounded sci-fi movies
tall phoenix
Might need to re watxh elysium tbh
deffo worth it
runic root
Never seen these. Not a big movie guy
tall phoenix
repeating myself when i say you're missing out, they are very fun
runic root
Requires to much sitting still and i tend to commentate everything that happens on screen. So that means i have to watch them by myself and when i am already by myself with leisure time id rather play darktide or medieval II
Like i said, nof a big movie guy. I get easily distracted and bored (thx adhd). When i watch football and i see my team get behind in goals for more than 30 minutes i legit shut the TV off....
Not a long format content guy.
hybrid turtle
Yeah but football is really boring though i dont blame you
drowsy urchin
Elysium has pretty cool visuals but as a story it is very forgettable and bland, Chappie is alright though
hybrid turtle
New starship troopers could be cool though
tall phoenix
what's the name of Matt Damon in that movie
you say this like people remember most names of the main characters in movies
hybrid turtle
But the discussion online about how “the bugs are scary so ofc humans are the good guys” revival is gonna be hell
tall phoenix
It never died tbh so not looking forward to that lol
Helldivers also revived it, as much as the devs do a great job of keeping up the fact that its all satire
and the fandom gets mad with each reminder
wise yew
*and the fandom gets mad with each reminder*
me when a fan of a setting that obviously portrays humanity as the bad guys gets mad when you remind them that the people they are playing are bad guys
( apparently they love the fantasy of being a warmongering soldier or something
drowsy urchin
I'm a bit cautious with the Starship Troopers movie because Blomkamp's take will apparently be more like the book than the Verhoeven movie
and the book is very questionable at best
tall phoenix
Questionable in what way
drowsy urchin
It's pretty much pro-fascist in it's approach to the society rather than ridiculing it where as the Verhoeven movie made it a ridicule
tall phoenix
we had a whole argument in lorechat about it once were there was a disagreement over that and it being "not what the author intended"
drowsy urchin
yeah but it does represent itself that way
regardless of his intentions
This article was pretty rough on Blomkamp but I agree for the most part. Still, it can be a decent romp in the end if it ever comes out
https://www.avclub.com/neill-blomkamp-making-starship-troopers-movie
unborn merlin
Honestly don't care much for his stuff outside of District 9.
drowsy urchin
Very fair opinion, most think the same
unborn merlin
His Alien movie did sound pretty cool tho.
drowsy urchin
he's got an eye for shit that looks very cool but the depth isn't there for his movies
unborn merlin
Sucks it never happened.
drowsy urchin
yeah
unborn merlin
Did you ever play that weird battle royale game he did?
It's called Off the Grid I think.
unborn merlin
Yeah he did the story for it but it's pretty weak sauce honestly.
It's what you'd expect for a televised battle royale story I guess. Also had NFTs too I think?
drowsy urchin
of course it did
unborn merlin
Honestly 
royal egret
Chapplie and Elysium are super good
They do look cool I'll say
But the stories are
Chappie is awful, Elysium at least has Damon, Copley and Foster trying their hardest to make that silly plot work.
Elysium feels like Blomkamp had all these sci fi weapon ideas he wanted to show and then he needed an excuse to do it.
unborn merlin
I honestly like Alex Garland more as both a director and story teller.
royal egret
I think Blomkamp is a really really good visuals guy and I like his style.
unborn merlin
Blomkamp's short films on YouTube can be hella cool tho.
royal egret
But he needs someone else to write.
He's got good ideas
Just needs someone else to execute the dialogue and stuff.
I'm looking forward to Starship Troopers cause hes using someone elses material as a base.
But, I don't expect much story wise. I do think he'll nail the suits at least though.
tall phoenix
yeah but it does represent itself that way
Also yeah I never really cared about people defending the author with the whole "he didnt mean it that way" lol
royal egret
He wrote a lot more than Starship troopers
And those books didn't have the same ideals at all, its not complicated.
tall phoenix
he's just a dumbass
Yeah agreed, one of the most blandest books I ever read. Literally couldnt manage it ala Verhooven the first time before I had to finish it properly awhile later for a bookclub i was in lmfao
drowsy urchin
I won't even try reading it
I know enough without reading it
And no, Clad. This is not the same thing as Legion
hybrid turtle
So how different is it to the movie, i never read it
tall phoenix
Its really different, the bugs, the humans using power armor etc.
theres lot more to it.
royal egret
So how different is it to the movie, i never read it
There’s almost no real connection
Beyond the name and some basic plot points
tall phoenix
For the better thankfully, made Starship Troopers more famous than it probably would ever get
The novel is a very weird book where nothing really happens
deft bramble
it was so cool to not know about political layer of the film, when i was young
"yooo cool bugs daaaamn"
tall phoenix
The movie fucks so hard man.
Yeah like I said really glad they didnt follow the book in any capacity
it would have made for a so much more boring movie
paper maple
Yeah agreed, one of the most blandest books I ever read. Literally couldnt manag...
Is it actually that boring? I wanted to read it for awhile but I might get it as an audiobook instead lol
tall phoenix
Its just a libertarian or whatever mouthpiece for Heinlein, its a product of its time that also parodies american jingoism (which is pretty topical in the last 3 decades lol)
hearty niche
It's called Off the Grid I think.
I played this for a bit had no cross console match making tho so you can only play w people on your console/ pc
To play w someone from playstation you'd have to both lobby up at the same time and hope you get lucky
tall phoenix
At least its no Ayn Rand i guess
That bitch is a lot more easy to hate thats for sure
paper maple
But yeah I'll try to find an audiobook if the plot is that bland, I just wanna read it for myself.
tall phoenix
Its probably worth it just to say you at least read the book, I just still cannot express how boring it is to read, so the audio choice is for the better.
paper maple
What makes it that way exactly?
tall phoenix
Its basically a character journey for Rico but for a book from the 50's it just doesnt really do a good job of it imo.
Like I said its more a mouthpiece novel than something with an actuall good story, the book essentially isnt really remembered for anything much in most media circles aside from being one of the first depictions of power armor in a sci-fi setting and getting a movie adaptation
paper maple
Yeaaaaah I assumed as much
Theres basically a reason you never see anyone talk about this book unless its a tie-in to talk about the movie lol
paper maple
I noticed
tall phoenix
I also dont blame for anyone that doesnt wanna read it, like I said it doesnt really have much substance unless you wanna read the political POV of some boomer from that era of time.
hearty niche
Is it true it's very political ?
tall phoenix
Very much yeah but its like in the middle minus some bits
Its not as cringe as like said above Ayn Rand
where she rants like some wannabe nutjob about how poor people are terrible
its just again very boring
hearty niche
Ah got ya
royal egret
It’s like all Heinlein stuff, it’s an exploration of philosophies in sci fi
The actual combat parts are a pretty minor part of the book even if they’re neat
tall phoenix
Anyway as said above its effects dont go much beyond having power armor and a movie made from it, its kinda in the lower tiers of sci-fi media.
its mostly a character story of Rico but even thats pretty bland
tall phoenix
Its only worth it like I said if you wanna say you read the book.
Otherwise yeah you arent losing anything
royal egret
I mean Heinlein was and is one of the first sci fi authors and founders of a lot of stuff, you may not like it but it’s well regarded for a reason.
It’s just not an action heavy book.
tall phoenix
Its very much a mouthpiece for Heinlein's libertarian views
royal egret
It helps if you don’t go in with a bone to pick too.
tall phoenix
and his weird fanfic society where it all doesnt make a lot of sense lol
tall phoenix
ıt definitely is
paper maple
🍿
royal egret
It’s not, the government heavily controls stuff
tall phoenix
It is. His writing was fairly radical libertarian by Stranger in a Strange Land (the book after Starship Troopers) and stayed that way for the rest of his career.
royal egret
He just liked writing different ideologies in a lot of different books
tall phoenix
Not really but anyway yeah thats the book essentially.
royal egret
You probably wouldn’t like it
tall phoenix
Again only read it if you wanna say you did
it very much just has no substance for the most part
paper maple
Yeah I got some audible credits ill see if its on there
I gotta finish Warhawk first, I'm doing a re-read.
tall phoenix
Same, I'm trying to do Mortis again and failing.
paper maple
Is it the titan/knight parts lol
paper maple
LMAO
tall phoenix
Like
I really wanted to restart this book with a strong conviction to finish it properly i.e read all the pages.
Im uhhh halfway through it and im legit struggling in the titan bits, its so fucking boring.
paper maple
Yeah that was my impression of it.
I really like the character stuff but it makes me notice how samey mech shit in 40k can get.
tall phoenix
It can be good
royal egret
The Titan parts are the best part too, the fucking Oll bits are awful
tall phoenix
The problem is titan combat is basic af unless you get creative with the writing ala Titanicus.
hearty niche
I have been failing mortis trials too lately
tall phoenix
The Knight House drama is worthless
Its SOOO fucking empty
"wah wah im a bastard"
Cool, dont care, get in the fucking mech
royal egret
You can tell exactly what’s gonna happen by like
paper maple
LOL
royal egret
The character introductions
paper maple
Yeah I hated those parts fuck me
tall phoenix
You can tell exactly what’s gonna happen by like
Also like
What I absolutely hate
you can entirely skip those chapters like I am right now
and absolutely lose nothing from the book, which is actually nuts
royal egret
It adds nothing yeah
They do nothing
They have no impact
And that’s fine, but those parts need to be like, good then
And they’re not
The only decent scene is them reacting to the Ordo Sinister stuff
tall phoenix
And even that ends abruptly
royal egret
And #girlpower parts
God I hate it, why does Knight House stuff always have to suck in Titan books
Why can’t they do anything besides the most bland noble drama
tall phoenix
Yeah the book just has so much filler, I really kinda wish I didn't start re-reading it since I basically failed my promise but im halfway through it on the Antakya hive part now, ill wrap up and move to Warhawk which thankfully I know is peak then Garro Knight of Gay and wrap up Siege there.
tall phoenix
God I hate it, why does Knight House stuff always have to suck in Titan books
its ALWAYS the same shit
knight souls reject pilot
noble drama
cant control knight
oh no evil chaos knight i cant defeat them
SHUT UP
royal egret
And they fucking cut away, right before Dies Irae is gonna duel three Imperators
We don’t get to see it do anything
Like wtf
tall phoenix
all that fucking "69km to the walls" buildup at the end of each chapter for nothing btw
thanks John French, I appreciate it
royal egret
That’s like if they cut away before Horus and Sanguinius fought and we just come back to him dead
tall phoenix
Fucking Invincible ahh cutaway
royal egret
What the fuck is the point
hearty niche
Oh lmao you were talking about a book 💀
tall phoenix
KEK yeah we are
royal egret
Yeah
tall phoenix
Siege
royal egret
It sucks too cause it’s sandwiched between all the best siege books
So it’s even more noticeable
tall phoenix
Yeah I was looking up some reddit threads out of boredom from like 4-5 years ago and man its so funny
"most of the Siege up to this point has been shit/boring, only Abnett's books are the good ones"
I weep for anyone that had to read Solar War, First Wall and Mortis as they released
royal egret
I liked Solar War, but I mostly agreed the earlier ones aren’t great
tall phoenix
I love the void war/solar system battles in it
royal egret
They have their moments
tall phoenix
but like, its soooo stretched out
tall phoenix
Yeah it sets the groundwork which is nice I guess, im mostly here for the logistics stuff, I think by the time the first feign traitor armada arrives it kinda slogs along
also the fucking
Keeler plot
no wait the fuck was her name
Mercedes something
paper maple
*Mersadie, you mean?
paper maple
ARGHHH
paper maple
Well its not his book in this case but still lol
paper maple
Its okay I'm sure he wouldn't appear any other time in the Siege 🙂
tall phoenix
fuck you lol
tall phoenix
I will, I gotta soldier through.
Im skipping all the knight chapters, the titan ones ill skimread.
I legit cannot fucking do it with all these empty setup chapters for the mecha stuff anymore man, I'm broken
paper maple
Your walls werent strong enough, shame 😔